<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_16_2345204</id>
	<title>Scientists Write Memories Directly Into Fly Brains</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1255702080000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>TheClockworkSoul writes <i>"Researchers at the University of Oxford have devised a way to <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8310365.stm">write memories onto the brains of flies</a>, revealing which brain cells are involved in making bad memories. The researchers said that in flies, just 12 brain cells were responsible for what is known as 'associative learning.' They modified these neurons by adding receptors for ATP, so that the cells activate in the presence of the chemical, but since ATP isn't usually found floating around a fly's brain, the flies generally behave just like any other fly. Most interestingly, however, is that the scientists then injected ATP into the flies' brains, in a form that was locked inside a light-sensitive chemical cage. When they shined a laser on the fly brains, the ATP was released, and the 'associative learning' cells were activated. The laser flash was paired with an odor, effectively giving the fly a memory of a bad experience with the odor that it never actually had, such that it then avoided the odor in later experiments. The researchers <a href="http://www.cell.com/abstract/S0092-8674(09)01104-0">describe their findings</a> in the journal <em>Cell</em>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>TheClockworkSoul writes " Researchers at the University of Oxford have devised a way to write memories onto the brains of flies , revealing which brain cells are involved in making bad memories .
The researchers said that in flies , just 12 brain cells were responsible for what is known as 'associative learning .
' They modified these neurons by adding receptors for ATP , so that the cells activate in the presence of the chemical , but since ATP is n't usually found floating around a fly 's brain , the flies generally behave just like any other fly .
Most interestingly , however , is that the scientists then injected ATP into the flies ' brains , in a form that was locked inside a light-sensitive chemical cage .
When they shined a laser on the fly brains , the ATP was released , and the 'associative learning ' cells were activated .
The laser flash was paired with an odor , effectively giving the fly a memory of a bad experience with the odor that it never actually had , such that it then avoided the odor in later experiments .
The researchers describe their findings in the journal Cell .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TheClockworkSoul writes "Researchers at the University of Oxford have devised a way to write memories onto the brains of flies, revealing which brain cells are involved in making bad memories.
The researchers said that in flies, just 12 brain cells were responsible for what is known as 'associative learning.
' They modified these neurons by adding receptors for ATP, so that the cells activate in the presence of the chemical, but since ATP isn't usually found floating around a fly's brain, the flies generally behave just like any other fly.
Most interestingly, however, is that the scientists then injected ATP into the flies' brains, in a form that was locked inside a light-sensitive chemical cage.
When they shined a laser on the fly brains, the ATP was released, and the 'associative learning' cells were activated.
The laser flash was paired with an odor, effectively giving the fly a memory of a bad experience with the odor that it never actually had, such that it then avoided the odor in later experiments.
The researchers describe their findings in the journal Cell.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29777957</id>
	<title>Re:Giving flies bad memories?</title>
	<author>JoCat</author>
	<datestamp>1255798380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Headline: Slashdot scientists report first successful conversion of FLY into WALK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Headline : Slashdot scientists report first successful conversion of FLY into WALK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Headline: Slashdot scientists report first successful conversion of FLY into WALK.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775159</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775487</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>talcite</author>
	<datestamp>1255711440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is there any morally correct application for 'writing' false memories into a brain?</p></div><p>Identifying the areas responsible for trauma and bad memories can be useful for treatment of patients who have experienced things like car crashes. It can help by reducing the effects associated with these memories.
<br>
The thing about research is that lots of times the applications are not immediately obvious. Academia does research all the time on subjects that people don't have uses for yet. You're right in pointing out the possible negative side effects of this knowledge though. It's something that is very often unavoidable in research. A good example of this would be nuclear fission and it's range of uses.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there any morally correct application for 'writing ' false memories into a brain ? Identifying the areas responsible for trauma and bad memories can be useful for treatment of patients who have experienced things like car crashes .
It can help by reducing the effects associated with these memories .
The thing about research is that lots of times the applications are not immediately obvious .
Academia does research all the time on subjects that people do n't have uses for yet .
You 're right in pointing out the possible negative side effects of this knowledge though .
It 's something that is very often unavoidable in research .
A good example of this would be nuclear fission and it 's range of uses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there any morally correct application for 'writing' false memories into a brain?Identifying the areas responsible for trauma and bad memories can be useful for treatment of patients who have experienced things like car crashes.
It can help by reducing the effects associated with these memories.
The thing about research is that lots of times the applications are not immediately obvious.
Academia does research all the time on subjects that people don't have uses for yet.
You're right in pointing out the possible negative side effects of this knowledge though.
It's something that is very often unavoidable in research.
A good example of this would be nuclear fission and it's range of uses.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775463</id>
	<title>You Remember The Spider,,,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255711020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that lived in a bush outside your window?<br>Orange body, green legs?<br>Watched her build a web all Summer.<br>Then one day there was a big egg in it.<br>The egg hatched...<br>And a hundred baby spiders came out<br>And they ate her.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that lived in a bush outside your window ? Orange body , green legs ? Watched her build a web all Summer.Then one day there was a big egg in it.The egg hatched...And a hundred baby spiders came outAnd they ate her .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that lived in a bush outside your window?Orange body, green legs?Watched her build a web all Summer.Then one day there was a big egg in it.The egg hatched...And a hundred baby spiders came outAnd they ate her.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29779739</id>
	<title>Re:Bad odor</title>
	<author>PostPhil</author>
	<datestamp>1255772580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even later, scientists learned how to attach the frickin lasers to the flys' heads.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even later , scientists learned how to attach the frickin lasers to the flys ' heads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even later, scientists learned how to attach the frickin lasers to the flys' heads.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775451</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775157</id>
	<title>Wait a second...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255706100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't having a laser pointed at your brain in the presence of an odor kind of count as a 'bad experience'?</p><p>I'm not sure how you create a control group for an experiment like this- shine the laser in the absence of odors so the fly is terrified of clean places? Isn't that how most flies act already?</p><p>-b</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't having a laser pointed at your brain in the presence of an odor kind of count as a 'bad experience ' ? I 'm not sure how you create a control group for an experiment like this- shine the laser in the absence of odors so the fly is terrified of clean places ?
Is n't that how most flies act already ? -b</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't having a laser pointed at your brain in the presence of an odor kind of count as a 'bad experience'?I'm not sure how you create a control group for an experiment like this- shine the laser in the absence of odors so the fly is terrified of clean places?
Isn't that how most flies act already?-b</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775851</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>palegray.net</author>
	<datestamp>1255718460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal\_Sunshine\_of\_the\_Spotless\_Mind" title="wikipedia.org">Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775479</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776883</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like a bad experience to me</title>
	<author>node 3</author>
	<datestamp>1255787760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Doesn't having your "this is a bad experience" receptors activated count as a bad experience?</p></div><p>Possibly, but this sounds more like the following:</p><p>You pet a kitten, then the mother cat runs out and attacks you. Your petting of the kitten wasn't traumatic. In fact, you rather enjoyed it. But the mother cat attack added the "this is dangerous" flag to your memory of petting the kitten. Later, when you see another kitten, you will be cautious about petting it, <i>even if you think you'd enjoy it</i>.</p><p>With the flies, they did not experience the event as having disliked the smell at the time, but when they recall the smell later, their brain says, "I have a bad feeling about this," even though there was no actual experience that should make them feel that way.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't having your " this is a bad experience " receptors activated count as a bad experience ? Possibly , but this sounds more like the following : You pet a kitten , then the mother cat runs out and attacks you .
Your petting of the kitten was n't traumatic .
In fact , you rather enjoyed it .
But the mother cat attack added the " this is dangerous " flag to your memory of petting the kitten .
Later , when you see another kitten , you will be cautious about petting it , even if you think you 'd enjoy it.With the flies , they did not experience the event as having disliked the smell at the time , but when they recall the smell later , their brain says , " I have a bad feeling about this , " even though there was no actual experience that should make them feel that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doesn't having your "this is a bad experience" receptors activated count as a bad experience?Possibly, but this sounds more like the following:You pet a kitten, then the mother cat runs out and attacks you.
Your petting of the kitten wasn't traumatic.
In fact, you rather enjoyed it.
But the mother cat attack added the "this is dangerous" flag to your memory of petting the kitten.
Later, when you see another kitten, you will be cautious about petting it, even if you think you'd enjoy it.With the flies, they did not experience the event as having disliked the smell at the time, but when they recall the smell later, their brain says, "I have a bad feeling about this," even though there was no actual experience that should make them feel that way.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775305</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775193</id>
	<title>NPR Science Friday</title>
	<author>Snowblindeye</author>
	<datestamp>1255706820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>NPR's Science Friday had an interview with the one of the scientists this morning. You can listen to the segment here: <a href="http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/200910161" title="sciencefriday.com">http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/200910161</a> [sciencefriday.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>NPR 's Science Friday had an interview with the one of the scientists this morning .
You can listen to the segment here : http : //www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/200910161 [ sciencefriday.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NPR's Science Friday had an interview with the one of the scientists this morning.
You can listen to the segment here: http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/200910161 [sciencefriday.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775693</id>
	<title>Scary thot</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1255714920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just 12 brain-cells? Sounds ready for lobbyists to use on politicians. They won't have to use cash anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just 12 brain-cells ?
Sounds ready for lobbyists to use on politicians .
They wo n't have to use cash anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just 12 brain-cells?
Sounds ready for lobbyists to use on politicians.
They won't have to use cash anymore.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29777227</id>
	<title>Rambus will want royalties</title>
	<author>kurt555gs</author>
	<datestamp>1255791360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is "memory" after all, ad Rambus thinks everyone should pay them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is " memory " after all , ad Rambus thinks everyone should pay them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is "memory" after all, ad Rambus thinks everyone should pay them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775347</id>
	<title>Are both browsers going to support it?</title>
	<author>MillionthMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1255708920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Otherwise the inevitable "writing to memory in the browser" hype will amount to flyshit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Otherwise the inevitable " writing to memory in the browser " hype will amount to flyshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Otherwise the inevitable "writing to memory in the browser" hype will amount to flyshit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775913</id>
	<title>Great, so now the CIA is brainwashing flies!</title>
	<author>Bob\_Who</author>
	<datestamp>1255719900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>....its probably a terrorist fly,  Lets torture it some more.</htmltext>
<tokenext>....its probably a terrorist fly , Lets torture it some more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>....its probably a terrorist fly,  Lets torture it some more.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775427</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255710480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who died and made you the guy (or gal) who decides what is and is not moral for the entire human race?</p><p>Quit bitching about people investigating these things, and instead bitch about the people who use their ideas for evil if and when that happens.</p><p>Nearly everything can be misused by someone, somewhere. If people like you had their way, we'd still be in the dark ages, god forbid anyone learn anything that might one-day come back to bite us.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who died and made you the guy ( or gal ) who decides what is and is not moral for the entire human race ? Quit bitching about people investigating these things , and instead bitch about the people who use their ideas for evil if and when that happens.Nearly everything can be misused by someone , somewhere .
If people like you had their way , we 'd still be in the dark ages , god forbid anyone learn anything that might one-day come back to bite us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who died and made you the guy (or gal) who decides what is and is not moral for the entire human race?Quit bitching about people investigating these things, and instead bitch about the people who use their ideas for evil if and when that happens.Nearly everything can be misused by someone, somewhere.
If people like you had their way, we'd still be in the dark ages, god forbid anyone learn anything that might one-day come back to bite us.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29781601</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second...</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1255794900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even if this was a joke. The scientists did enough tests and rounds to isolate the cells necessary down to 12. They say they may reduce that number further. I really bot think controls is an issue.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if this was a joke .
The scientists did enough tests and rounds to isolate the cells necessary down to 12 .
They say they may reduce that number further .
I really bot think controls is an issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if this was a joke.
The scientists did enough tests and rounds to isolate the cells necessary down to 12.
They say they may reduce that number further.
I really bot think controls is an issue.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775157</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775229</id>
	<title>Memory? Or an instinct?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255707180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Are we sure it was a new memory they created? Because we can't just interview the flies about what they were thinking, how do we know the smell conjured up a fake memory rather than, say, just a strong feeling of unease?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Are we sure it was a new memory they created ?
Because we ca n't just interview the flies about what they were thinking , how do we know the smell conjured up a fake memory rather than , say , just a strong feeling of unease ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are we sure it was a new memory they created?
Because we can't just interview the flies about what they were thinking, how do we know the smell conjured up a fake memory rather than, say, just a strong feeling of unease?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775751</id>
	<title>Tottal Recall</title>
	<author>binaryseraph</author>
	<datestamp>1255715880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>At some point the fly was heard screaming "My name is not Quaid!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>At some point the fly was heard screaming " My name is not Quaid !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At some point the fly was heard screaming "My name is not Quaid!
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776559</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Jesus\_666</author>
	<datestamp>1255780500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I actually don't see much of an ethical problem with this experiment as the technique only works on genetically-modified flies and requires brain surgery -stealthily rewriting someone's memories is not likely to work. The human brain contains ATP so they can't even use the same receptors and introducing a new chemical that doesn't yet have receptors and doesn't interact with the bran in other ways might prove difficult.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I actually do n't see much of an ethical problem with this experiment as the technique only works on genetically-modified flies and requires brain surgery -stealthily rewriting someone 's memories is not likely to work .
The human brain contains ATP so they ca n't even use the same receptors and introducing a new chemical that does n't yet have receptors and does n't interact with the bran in other ways might prove difficult .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I actually don't see much of an ethical problem with this experiment as the technique only works on genetically-modified flies and requires brain surgery -stealthily rewriting someone's memories is not likely to work.
The human brain contains ATP so they can't even use the same receptors and introducing a new chemical that doesn't yet have receptors and doesn't interact with the bran in other ways might prove difficult.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775155</id>
	<title>Holy shit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255706100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is so ridiculously awesome.<br>There is nothing cooler than this experiment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is so ridiculously awesome.There is nothing cooler than this experiment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is so ridiculously awesome.There is nothing cooler than this experiment.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29780681</id>
	<title>Re:Bad odor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255781100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe the procedure just hurt the fly. And since flies can't count, it thought the bad smelly thing was the cause of the pain. How would you feel if someone lasered your brain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe the procedure just hurt the fly .
And since flies ca n't count , it thought the bad smelly thing was the cause of the pain .
How would you feel if someone lasered your brain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe the procedure just hurt the fly.
And since flies can't count, it thought the bad smelly thing was the cause of the pain.
How would you feel if someone lasered your brain.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775153</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775345</id>
	<title>If you want to write some memories...</title>
	<author>topham</author>
	<datestamp>1255708860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've got a list of beautiful women I'd like to remember, if you know what I mean...</p><p>Jewel Staite<br>Summer Glu<br>Laura Harris</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've got a list of beautiful women I 'd like to remember , if you know what I mean...Jewel StaiteSummer GluLaura Harris</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've got a list of beautiful women I'd like to remember, if you know what I mean...Jewel StaiteSummer GluLaura Harris</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775321</id>
	<title>Obligatory The Fly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255708560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><em>Help me!</em></htmltext>
<tokenext>Help me !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Help me!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29781637</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like a bad experience to me</title>
	<author>Idiomatick</author>
	<datestamp>1255795380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Doing it to other brain cells had 0 effect. The fact that they narrowed it down to 12 brain-cells that were responsible should be telling.<br> <br>Higher animals may experience some level of dissonance though since we don't AS easily accept things. I think it is likely it would work on many parts of us though. Colouring memories of people and such.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Doing it to other brain cells had 0 effect .
The fact that they narrowed it down to 12 brain-cells that were responsible should be telling .
Higher animals may experience some level of dissonance though since we do n't AS easily accept things .
I think it is likely it would work on many parts of us though .
Colouring memories of people and such .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Doing it to other brain cells had 0 effect.
The fact that they narrowed it down to 12 brain-cells that were responsible should be telling.
Higher animals may experience some level of dissonance though since we don't AS easily accept things.
I think it is likely it would work on many parts of us though.
Colouring memories of people and such.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775305</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775529</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>timmarhy</author>
	<datestamp>1255712280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>" I'm all for scientific investigation,"<p>
i don't think you managed to fool anyone with that statement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I 'm all for scientific investigation , " i do n't think you managed to fool anyone with that statement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>" I'm all for scientific investigation,"
i don't think you managed to fool anyone with that statement.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776217</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second...</title>
	<author>EdIII</author>
	<datestamp>1255812840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was actually thinking that since we are talking about flies and odors, that it would be a bad idea to fart in the lab.  It might mess around with the results.  Some scientists messing around with the results more than others.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was actually thinking that since we are talking about flies and odors , that it would be a bad idea to fart in the lab .
It might mess around with the results .
Some scientists messing around with the results more than others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was actually thinking that since we are talking about flies and odors, that it would be a bad idea to fart in the lab.
It might mess around with the results.
Some scientists messing around with the results more than others.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775183</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775387</id>
	<title>Re:Obligatory</title>
	<author>liquidsin</author>
	<datestamp>1255709700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>for the last time, no you don't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>for the last time , no you do n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for the last time, no you don't.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775353</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775587</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Coraon</author>
	<datestamp>1255713420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>How about the ability to teach someone something almost instantly. For example, imagine bing able to give someone a university degrees worth of knowledge and then have them spend the time in school to see how they apply it. Or eventually being able to have yourself cloned and then when your near death be downloaded into your new body. No more pesky death to worry about.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about the ability to teach someone something almost instantly .
For example , imagine bing able to give someone a university degrees worth of knowledge and then have them spend the time in school to see how they apply it .
Or eventually being able to have yourself cloned and then when your near death be downloaded into your new body .
No more pesky death to worry about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about the ability to teach someone something almost instantly.
For example, imagine bing able to give someone a university degrees worth of knowledge and then have them spend the time in school to see how they apply it.
Or eventually being able to have yourself cloned and then when your near death be downloaded into your new body.
No more pesky death to worry about.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775519</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Greyfox</author>
	<datestamp>1255712160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I could replace those years at school with a few minutes of some guy shining a laser directly into my brain, I'd do so in a heartbeat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I could replace those years at school with a few minutes of some guy shining a laser directly into my brain , I 'd do so in a heartbeat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I could replace those years at school with a few minutes of some guy shining a laser directly into my brain, I'd do so in a heartbeat.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775811</id>
	<title>Flies and odours 101</title>
	<author>icepick72</author>
	<datestamp>1255717140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>A fly was given a faked bad memory associated with an odour. How screwed up is that when flies like shit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A fly was given a faked bad memory associated with an odour .
How screwed up is that when flies like shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A fly was given a faked bad memory associated with an odour.
How screwed up is that when flies like shit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775153</id>
	<title>Bad odor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255706100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>The scientists later discovered that even fly's without this injected memory avoided the odor. One man was quoted saying "It smelled pretty bad."</htmltext>
<tokenext>The scientists later discovered that even fly 's without this injected memory avoided the odor .
One man was quoted saying " It smelled pretty bad .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The scientists later discovered that even fly's without this injected memory avoided the odor.
One man was quoted saying "It smelled pretty bad.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776857</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>TaggartAleslayer</author>
	<datestamp>1255787400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First, let's discuss what is going on, then we can discuss what may come of it.</p><p>This is not the ability to implant true-to-life false memories as implied. It is the ability to associate stimuli with reactions in flies, without having the actual stimulus present.</p><p>Potential actual applications for this in humans are mostly positive. Sure, you could make someone feel really bad about the color blue, reading the bible, watching NBC, or swimming in public, but even then, as with all phobias, rational examination wins out. People, over time, generally reject ideas that are in opposition to their own experiences.</p><p>Where it could help is when someone does have a true phobia, something irrational, something intangible that is hurting them. Having a positive association implanted to help level off the negatives could be quite beneficial. It wouldn't solve anything, but it would give a leg up to recovery. Think of it as an immune booster for the psyche.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First , let 's discuss what is going on , then we can discuss what may come of it.This is not the ability to implant true-to-life false memories as implied .
It is the ability to associate stimuli with reactions in flies , without having the actual stimulus present.Potential actual applications for this in humans are mostly positive .
Sure , you could make someone feel really bad about the color blue , reading the bible , watching NBC , or swimming in public , but even then , as with all phobias , rational examination wins out .
People , over time , generally reject ideas that are in opposition to their own experiences.Where it could help is when someone does have a true phobia , something irrational , something intangible that is hurting them .
Having a positive association implanted to help level off the negatives could be quite beneficial .
It would n't solve anything , but it would give a leg up to recovery .
Think of it as an immune booster for the psyche .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, let's discuss what is going on, then we can discuss what may come of it.This is not the ability to implant true-to-life false memories as implied.
It is the ability to associate stimuli with reactions in flies, without having the actual stimulus present.Potential actual applications for this in humans are mostly positive.
Sure, you could make someone feel really bad about the color blue, reading the bible, watching NBC, or swimming in public, but even then, as with all phobias, rational examination wins out.
People, over time, generally reject ideas that are in opposition to their own experiences.Where it could help is when someone does have a true phobia, something irrational, something intangible that is hurting them.
Having a positive association implanted to help level off the negatives could be quite beneficial.
It wouldn't solve anything, but it would give a leg up to recovery.
Think of it as an immune booster for the psyche.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29777677</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second...</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1255795500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can do the experiment on nontransgenic flies, or use a dummy chemical in the photocage etc.  That would prove that you're actually seeing an effect due to the experimental manipulation.  But I think it's hard to argue that this is creating a memory of a bad experience the fly never had.  I think they are changing an innocuous experience into a bad experience the fly actually had.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can do the experiment on nontransgenic flies , or use a dummy chemical in the photocage etc .
That would prove that you 're actually seeing an effect due to the experimental manipulation .
But I think it 's hard to argue that this is creating a memory of a bad experience the fly never had .
I think they are changing an innocuous experience into a bad experience the fly actually had .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can do the experiment on nontransgenic flies, or use a dummy chemical in the photocage etc.
That would prove that you're actually seeing an effect due to the experimental manipulation.
But I think it's hard to argue that this is creating a memory of a bad experience the fly never had.
I think they are changing an innocuous experience into a bad experience the fly actually had.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775157</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367</id>
	<title>Why?</title>
	<author>SilverHatHacker</author>
	<datestamp>1255709220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is there any morally correct application for 'writing' false memories into a brain? Or is this yet one more experiment that we've done just because we can, hang the consequences? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for scientific investigation, but this seems like it's beginning to cross the line.<br>
On the one hand, this teaches us more about memory. On the other, what's stopping it from one day being used on humans? Just because it's not the primary goal doesn't rule it out as an extension.<br>
Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I think there are some experiments that just shouldn't be done.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there any morally correct application for 'writing ' false memories into a brain ?
Or is this yet one more experiment that we 've done just because we can , hang the consequences ?
Do n't get me wrong , I 'm all for scientific investigation , but this seems like it 's beginning to cross the line .
On the one hand , this teaches us more about memory .
On the other , what 's stopping it from one day being used on humans ?
Just because it 's not the primary goal does n't rule it out as an extension .
Maybe I 'm just paranoid , but I think there are some experiments that just should n't be done .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there any morally correct application for 'writing' false memories into a brain?
Or is this yet one more experiment that we've done just because we can, hang the consequences?
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for scientific investigation, but this seems like it's beginning to cross the line.
On the one hand, this teaches us more about memory.
On the other, what's stopping it from one day being used on humans?
Just because it's not the primary goal doesn't rule it out as an extension.
Maybe I'm just paranoid, but I think there are some experiments that just shouldn't be done.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775353</id>
	<title>Obligatory</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255709040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WHOA, I know Kung-Fu!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WHOA , I know Kung-Fu !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WHOA, I know Kung-Fu!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776523</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255779540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That would be wonderful.  I'd be willing to give up a lot to not have that side effect of the Iraq war.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That would be wonderful .
I 'd be willing to give up a lot to not have that side effect of the Iraq war .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That would be wonderful.
I'd be willing to give up a lot to not have that side effect of the Iraq war.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775479</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776259</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like a bad experience to me</title>
	<author>Toonol</author>
	<datestamp>1255771020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think it's a case of shifting definitions.  What you and I normally mean by 'memories' is not necessarily the definition that the scientists involved are working with.  For practical reasons, they are reworking the definition to fit what they can manipulate and measure.  That's fine, as far as it goes, as long as no confusion results by mixing two disciplines that each mean slightly different things with the term 'memory'.  Psychology, for instance.

Some organisms without any neurons have 'memories', but it's sloppy to think they are the same things we experience.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's a case of shifting definitions .
What you and I normally mean by 'memories ' is not necessarily the definition that the scientists involved are working with .
For practical reasons , they are reworking the definition to fit what they can manipulate and measure .
That 's fine , as far as it goes , as long as no confusion results by mixing two disciplines that each mean slightly different things with the term 'memory' .
Psychology , for instance .
Some organisms without any neurons have 'memories ' , but it 's sloppy to think they are the same things we experience .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's a case of shifting definitions.
What you and I normally mean by 'memories' is not necessarily the definition that the scientists involved are working with.
For practical reasons, they are reworking the definition to fit what they can manipulate and measure.
That's fine, as far as it goes, as long as no confusion results by mixing two disciplines that each mean slightly different things with the term 'memory'.
Psychology, for instance.
Some organisms without any neurons have 'memories', but it's sloppy to think they are the same things we experience.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775305</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775941</id>
	<title>Programmable fly</title>
	<author>kojot350</author>
	<datestamp>1255720920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>can I have one of these with USB?</htmltext>
<tokenext>can I have one of these with USB ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>can I have one of these with USB?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776613</id>
	<title>will this work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255782000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>will this work on my girlfriend, LOL

yes honey I did remember your birthday, dont you remember I got you that ring...you must have lost it</htmltext>
<tokenext>will this work on my girlfriend , LOL yes honey I did remember your birthday , dont you remember I got you that ring...you must have lost it</tokentext>
<sentencetext>will this work on my girlfriend, LOL

yes honey I did remember your birthday, dont you remember I got you that ring...you must have lost it</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775479</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255711200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Is there any morally correct application for 'writing' false memories into a brain?</p></div></blockquote><p>How about treating PTSD?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there any morally correct application for 'writing ' false memories into a brain ? How about treating PTSD ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there any morally correct application for 'writing' false memories into a brain?How about treating PTSD?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776471</id>
	<title>Re:Memory? Or an instinct?</title>
	<author>Krneki</author>
	<datestamp>1255778280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do you offer as a volunteer as human subject?<br>
&nbsp; Think about it, you could get some real good porn memories.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you offer as a volunteer as human subject ?
  Think about it , you could get some real good porn memories .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you offer as a volunteer as human subject?
  Think about it, you could get some real good porn memories.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775229</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775721</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>NFN\_NLN</author>
	<datestamp>1255715340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is there anyone in you family that has alzheimers?</p></div><p>I don't remember.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Is there anyone in your family that suffers moderate to severe memory loss as a result of accident, disease, or trauma?</p></div><p>Really, I don't remember.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Does your child have physical and mental problems that impair learning?</p></div><p>What are you trying to get at, I don't understand.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there anyone in you family that has alzheimers ? I do n't remember.Is there anyone in your family that suffers moderate to severe memory loss as a result of accident , disease , or trauma ? Really , I do n't remember.Does your child have physical and mental problems that impair learning ? What are you trying to get at , I do n't understand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there anyone in you family that has alzheimers?I don't remember.Is there anyone in your family that suffers moderate to severe memory loss as a result of accident, disease, or trauma?Really, I don't remember.Does your child have physical and mental problems that impair learning?What are you trying to get at, I don't understand.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775499</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775469</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255711140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, we should definitely not pursue medicine. After all it's a small extension to transform medicine into a killing agent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , we should definitely not pursue medicine .
After all it 's a small extension to transform medicine into a killing agent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, we should definitely not pursue medicine.
After all it's a small extension to transform medicine into a killing agent.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29779411</id>
	<title>what the flying fuck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255812060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"...the flies' brains, <i>in a form that was locked inside a light-sensitive chemical cage.</i>" Arrrgh! They seperated the fly's brain from the fly, locked the brain in a cage and did stuff to it??? Arrrrgh!!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...the flies ' brains , in a form that was locked inside a light-sensitive chemical cage .
" Arrrgh !
They seperated the fly 's brain from the fly , locked the brain in a cage and did stuff to it ? ? ?
Arrrrgh ! ! ! !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"...the flies' brains, in a form that was locked inside a light-sensitive chemical cage.
" Arrrgh!
They seperated the fly's brain from the fly, locked the brain in a cage and did stuff to it???
Arrrrgh!!!!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775151</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776415</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255776840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm not sure how you create a control group for an experiment like this- shine the laser in the absence of odors so the fly is terrified of clean places? Isn't that how most flies act already?</p></div></blockquote><p>No. Inject the control group with vehicle (another chemical, e. g., GTP, in the same kind of light-sensitive cage) and treat it exactly as the ATP group.</p><p>Additional experiments have to be performed using other receptors for completely different chemicals, with controls as above.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure how you create a control group for an experiment like this- shine the laser in the absence of odors so the fly is terrified of clean places ?
Is n't that how most flies act already ? No .
Inject the control group with vehicle ( another chemical , e. g. , GTP , in the same kind of light-sensitive cage ) and treat it exactly as the ATP group.Additional experiments have to be performed using other receptors for completely different chemicals , with controls as above .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure how you create a control group for an experiment like this- shine the laser in the absence of odors so the fly is terrified of clean places?
Isn't that how most flies act already?No.
Inject the control group with vehicle (another chemical, e. g., GTP, in the same kind of light-sensitive cage) and treat it exactly as the ATP group.Additional experiments have to be performed using other receptors for completely different chemicals, with controls as above.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775157</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775211</id>
	<title>Hannibal Lecter style?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255706940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This kind of surgery smells of butchery.  Can't wait for upgrade patches.<br>http://xkcd.org/644/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This kind of surgery smells of butchery .
Ca n't wait for upgrade patches.http : //xkcd.org/644/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This kind of surgery smells of butchery.
Can't wait for upgrade patches.http://xkcd.org/644/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775517</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255712100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Two basic lines of response:<br> <br>

A) Sure. Loads of morally correct applications. There are plenty of situations where <i>the mere existence</i> of a given memory is the point of the exercise. Many forms of instruction/training, for instance. If the memory of having read the manual is false; but the contents of the manual you falsely remember having read are true, you win. You'd need the subject's consent; but it isn't at all hard to imagine plenty of situations where people would be delighted to knowingly have various useful memories implanted.<br> <br>
B)An experimental result like this is quite far from application, well within the realm of basic research into memory functions. Understanding memory function, while it would have both positive and negative potential, is arguably a net positive. Right now, if I want to implant an unpleasant memory, or fuck with your sense of reality, or otherwise do nasty things to you, I don't really need a sophisticated understanding of memory. A water bottle and your T-shirt and no sense of decency will do well enough. If, however, I want to improve education, or understand why certain psychiatric disorders include serious memory problems, or treat brain injuries, or what have you, knowledge of the neurology of memory systems is necessary.<br> <br>

There could certainly be, at least in principle, scientific/technological developments that are just plain bad news; but I don't think that this is one of them. Virtually all the potential downsides can be achieved(or at least closely approximated) by far lower tech means, while many of the potential upsides are otherwise out of reach.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Two basic lines of response : A ) Sure .
Loads of morally correct applications .
There are plenty of situations where the mere existence of a given memory is the point of the exercise .
Many forms of instruction/training , for instance .
If the memory of having read the manual is false ; but the contents of the manual you falsely remember having read are true , you win .
You 'd need the subject 's consent ; but it is n't at all hard to imagine plenty of situations where people would be delighted to knowingly have various useful memories implanted .
B ) An experimental result like this is quite far from application , well within the realm of basic research into memory functions .
Understanding memory function , while it would have both positive and negative potential , is arguably a net positive .
Right now , if I want to implant an unpleasant memory , or fuck with your sense of reality , or otherwise do nasty things to you , I do n't really need a sophisticated understanding of memory .
A water bottle and your T-shirt and no sense of decency will do well enough .
If , however , I want to improve education , or understand why certain psychiatric disorders include serious memory problems , or treat brain injuries , or what have you , knowledge of the neurology of memory systems is necessary .
There could certainly be , at least in principle , scientific/technological developments that are just plain bad news ; but I do n't think that this is one of them .
Virtually all the potential downsides can be achieved ( or at least closely approximated ) by far lower tech means , while many of the potential upsides are otherwise out of reach .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two basic lines of response: 

A) Sure.
Loads of morally correct applications.
There are plenty of situations where the mere existence of a given memory is the point of the exercise.
Many forms of instruction/training, for instance.
If the memory of having read the manual is false; but the contents of the manual you falsely remember having read are true, you win.
You'd need the subject's consent; but it isn't at all hard to imagine plenty of situations where people would be delighted to knowingly have various useful memories implanted.
B)An experimental result like this is quite far from application, well within the realm of basic research into memory functions.
Understanding memory function, while it would have both positive and negative potential, is arguably a net positive.
Right now, if I want to implant an unpleasant memory, or fuck with your sense of reality, or otherwise do nasty things to you, I don't really need a sophisticated understanding of memory.
A water bottle and your T-shirt and no sense of decency will do well enough.
If, however, I want to improve education, or understand why certain psychiatric disorders include serious memory problems, or treat brain injuries, or what have you, knowledge of the neurology of memory systems is necessary.
There could certainly be, at least in principle, scientific/technological developments that are just plain bad news; but I don't think that this is one of them.
Virtually all the potential downsides can be achieved(or at least closely approximated) by far lower tech means, while many of the potential upsides are otherwise out of reach.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775151</id>
	<title>isnt this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255706040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>like if i made you smell something then hit you in the head with a pipe</p><p>you would think pipe when you smelled that again?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>like if i made you smell something then hit you in the head with a pipeyou would think pipe when you smelled that again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>like if i made you smell something then hit you in the head with a pipeyou would think pipe when you smelled that again?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29781371</id>
	<title>Why...</title>
	<author>Chysn</author>
	<datestamp>1255790460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...write an unpleasant experience with an odor?  Okay, I know it's just a stupid fly, but why not write a nice, pleasant experience with an odor that usually doesn't attract flies?  They only live for a few hours, why fill their heads with bad things that didn't really happen?</htmltext>
<tokenext>...write an unpleasant experience with an odor ?
Okay , I know it 's just a stupid fly , but why not write a nice , pleasant experience with an odor that usually does n't attract flies ?
They only live for a few hours , why fill their heads with bad things that did n't really happen ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...write an unpleasant experience with an odor?
Okay, I know it's just a stupid fly, but why not write a nice, pleasant experience with an odor that usually doesn't attract flies?
They only live for a few hours, why fill their heads with bad things that didn't really happen?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775267</id>
	<title>Re:Memory? Or an instinct?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255707660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Flies don't really have real memories. A feeling of unease is all they are talking about. "Association" is probably a better word than memory.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Flies do n't really have real memories .
A feeling of unease is all they are talking about .
" Association " is probably a better word than memory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Flies don't really have real memories.
A feeling of unease is all they are talking about.
"Association" is probably a better word than memory.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775229</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775627</id>
	<title>We began to recognize in them a strange obsession</title>
	<author>rwyoder</author>
	<datestamp>1255714020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Memories! You're talking about memories!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Memories !
You 're talking about memories !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Memories!
You're talking about memories!
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775445</id>
	<title>Biotech is so sexy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255710720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Man, this shit is way cooler than IT...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<br>I really wanna do some brain memory programming...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Man , this shit is way cooler than IT... : ) I really wan na do some brain memory programming.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Man, this shit is way cooler than IT... :)I really wanna do some brain memory programming...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776373</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Fishchip</author>
	<datestamp>1255774920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>How about the ability to teach someone something almost instantly.</i> <br> <br>Ah. Like kung-fu.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How about the ability to teach someone something almost instantly .
Ah. Like kung-fu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about the ability to teach someone something almost instantly.
Ah. Like kung-fu.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775587</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775571</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>geekgirlandrea</author>
	<datestamp>1255713120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a *fly*, for fuck's sake.  Are you so intellectually sterile you can't believe in simple curiousity, and must suspect some nefarious ulterior motive in its place?</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a * fly * , for fuck 's sake .
Are you so intellectually sterile you ca n't believe in simple curiousity , and must suspect some nefarious ulterior motive in its place ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a *fly*, for fuck's sake.
Are you so intellectually sterile you can't believe in simple curiousity, and must suspect some nefarious ulterior motive in its place?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775183</id>
	<title>Re:Wait a second...</title>
	<author>HeLLFiRe1151</author>
	<datestamp>1255706520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was think perhaps associating the laser with an odor that the fly normally likes would provide a more accurate approach. What do I know though, I'm couldn't even pass for a geek let alone a scientist.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was think perhaps associating the laser with an odor that the fly normally likes would provide a more accurate approach .
What do I know though , I 'm could n't even pass for a geek let alone a scientist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was think perhaps associating the laser with an odor that the fly normally likes would provide a more accurate approach.
What do I know though, I'm couldn't even pass for a geek let alone a scientist.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775157</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776587</id>
	<title>Re:Obligatory</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1255781220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>More like</p><p>EWWW, I know Yuck-Poo!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>More likeEWWW , I know Yuck-Poo !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More likeEWWW, I know Yuck-Poo!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775353</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775539</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255712520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm thinking the rationalization for this would be that if they can write a bad memory they may be able to reverse the process and correct certain mental disorders.  I can't think of the name of it, but I remember there is like a couple of mental issues that cause people to have extreme panic attacks when they encounter certain things.  Science-wise I think it opens the door to understanding alot of different mental phenomenon but life-wise I think it opens a door to all kinds of abuse and is a scary concept.</p><p>I don't think the science is ever really the problem, its the greedy, evil, humans that abuse it for their own gains. Oppenheimer gave us the technology we used it to massacre thousands.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm thinking the rationalization for this would be that if they can write a bad memory they may be able to reverse the process and correct certain mental disorders .
I ca n't think of the name of it , but I remember there is like a couple of mental issues that cause people to have extreme panic attacks when they encounter certain things .
Science-wise I think it opens the door to understanding alot of different mental phenomenon but life-wise I think it opens a door to all kinds of abuse and is a scary concept.I do n't think the science is ever really the problem , its the greedy , evil , humans that abuse it for their own gains .
Oppenheimer gave us the technology we used it to massacre thousands .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm thinking the rationalization for this would be that if they can write a bad memory they may be able to reverse the process and correct certain mental disorders.
I can't think of the name of it, but I remember there is like a couple of mental issues that cause people to have extreme panic attacks when they encounter certain things.
Science-wise I think it opens the door to understanding alot of different mental phenomenon but life-wise I think it opens a door to all kinds of abuse and is a scary concept.I don't think the science is ever really the problem, its the greedy, evil, humans that abuse it for their own gains.
Oppenheimer gave us the technology we used it to massacre thousands.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775305</id>
	<title>Sounds like a bad experience to me</title>
	<author>mhwombat</author>
	<datestamp>1255708200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Doesn't having your "this is a bad experience" receptors activated count as a bad experience? I don't mean the whole brain-and-laser unpleasantness, I mean having negative-association cells firing in your brain at all. It might not just count as a bad association <i>later</i>, it might be pretty unpleasant <i>now</i>. In which case it's not a fake memory, it's a real memory.
</p><p>
For flies maybe this question has no meaning... maybe flies aren't conscious. If they did this to a higher animal (I have a horrible suspicion they will) it would be a question to ask. But a good question for this experiment would be: when they fire those brain cells, do the flies try to avoid what's going on immediately?
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does n't having your " this is a bad experience " receptors activated count as a bad experience ?
I do n't mean the whole brain-and-laser unpleasantness , I mean having negative-association cells firing in your brain at all .
It might not just count as a bad association later , it might be pretty unpleasant now .
In which case it 's not a fake memory , it 's a real memory .
For flies maybe this question has no meaning... maybe flies are n't conscious .
If they did this to a higher animal ( I have a horrible suspicion they will ) it would be a question to ask .
But a good question for this experiment would be : when they fire those brain cells , do the flies try to avoid what 's going on immediately ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Doesn't having your "this is a bad experience" receptors activated count as a bad experience?
I don't mean the whole brain-and-laser unpleasantness, I mean having negative-association cells firing in your brain at all.
It might not just count as a bad association later, it might be pretty unpleasant now.
In which case it's not a fake memory, it's a real memory.
For flies maybe this question has no meaning... maybe flies aren't conscious.
If they did this to a higher animal (I have a horrible suspicion they will) it would be a question to ask.
But a good question for this experiment would be: when they fire those brain cells, do the flies try to avoid what's going on immediately?
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776011</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Snowblindeye</author>
	<datestamp>1255722060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><blockquote><div><p>Is there any morally correct application for 'writing' false memories into a brain?</p></div></blockquote><p>How about treating PTSD?</p></div><p>Very good point. Also, addiction. Basically, you'd erase the 'memory' of the urge to consume the particular substance your addicted to. </p><p>

There was a story in the news six months ago about some research that would make it possible to do this in humans. PTSD and addiction were two examples they explicitly mentioned.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there any morally correct application for 'writing ' false memories into a brain ? How about treating PTSD ? Very good point .
Also , addiction .
Basically , you 'd erase the 'memory ' of the urge to consume the particular substance your addicted to .
There was a story in the news six months ago about some research that would make it possible to do this in humans .
PTSD and addiction were two examples they explicitly mentioned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there any morally correct application for 'writing' false memories into a brain?How about treating PTSD?Very good point.
Also, addiction.
Basically, you'd erase the 'memory' of the urge to consume the particular substance your addicted to.
There was a story in the news six months ago about some research that would make it possible to do this in humans.
PTSD and addiction were two examples they explicitly mentioned.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775479</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775663</id>
	<title>Plagiarism</title>
	<author>Norsefire</author>
	<datestamp>1255714440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>They stole this idea from Joss Whedon.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They stole this idea from Joss Whedon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They stole this idea from Joss Whedon.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775499</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255711800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is there anyone in you family that has alzheimers?</p><p>Is there anyone in your family that suffers moderate to severe memory loss as a result of accident, disease, or trauma?</p><p>Does your child have physical and mental problems that impair learning?</p><p>Fuck the flies, and fuck you for suggesting that research like this is 'immoral'. What's immoral is your haughty 'I'm holier than thou' attitude that just because you can't immediately grasp all the implications of an experiment, it shouldn't be done, the benefit be damned.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is there anyone in you family that has alzheimers ? Is there anyone in your family that suffers moderate to severe memory loss as a result of accident , disease , or trauma ? Does your child have physical and mental problems that impair learning ? Fuck the flies , and fuck you for suggesting that research like this is 'immoral' .
What 's immoral is your haughty 'I 'm holier than thou ' attitude that just because you ca n't immediately grasp all the implications of an experiment , it should n't be done , the benefit be damned .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is there anyone in you family that has alzheimers?Is there anyone in your family that suffers moderate to severe memory loss as a result of accident, disease, or trauma?Does your child have physical and mental problems that impair learning?Fuck the flies, and fuck you for suggesting that research like this is 'immoral'.
What's immoral is your haughty 'I'm holier than thou' attitude that just because you can't immediately grasp all the implications of an experiment, it shouldn't be done, the benefit be damned.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776255</id>
	<title>Protection</title>
	<author>mattr</author>
	<datestamp>1255771020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Finally, evidence for those who have held off purchasing their tin-foil hats.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Finally , evidence for those who have held off purchasing their tin-foil hats .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Finally, evidence for those who have held off purchasing their tin-foil hats.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775475</id>
	<title>Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind...</title>
	<author>dominique\_cimafranca</author>
	<datestamp>1255711200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...is a laser?</htmltext>
<tokenext>...is a laser ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...is a laser?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775625</id>
	<title>Some conspiracy...</title>
	<author>formfeed</author>
	<datestamp>1255713960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This must be how THEY implant false memories about alien abduction into people's mind:
<p> The aliens are all false memories, the probing isn't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This must be how THEY implant false memories about alien abduction into people 's mind : The aliens are all false memories , the probing is n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This must be how THEY implant false memories about alien abduction into people's mind:
 The aliens are all false memories, the probing isn't.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775443</id>
	<title>So how did they mess with the control group?</title>
	<author>adageable</author>
	<datestamp>1255710720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmm... let's see here..<br>

Bad odor.... Check.<br>
Laser beam directed INTO the brain.... uh... Check.<br>
"Bad memories" induced.... err... Check.<br>
<br> <br>
And in other news... sugar tastes good.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm... let 's see here. . Bad odor.... Check . Laser beam directed INTO the brain.... uh... Check .
" Bad memories " induced.... err... Check .
And in other news... sugar tastes good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm... let's see here..

Bad odor.... Check.
Laser beam directed INTO the brain.... uh... Check.
"Bad memories" induced.... err... Check.
And in other news... sugar tastes good.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775451</id>
	<title>Re:Bad odor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255710840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The scientists later discovered that even fly's without this injected memory avoided the odor. One man was quoted saying "It smelled pretty bad."</p></div><p>Still later, scientists discovered that flies would avoid odors they associated with having lasers shined through their heads, regardless of cellular modifications.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The scientists later discovered that even fly 's without this injected memory avoided the odor .
One man was quoted saying " It smelled pretty bad .
" Still later , scientists discovered that flies would avoid odors they associated with having lasers shined through their heads , regardless of cellular modifications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The scientists later discovered that even fly's without this injected memory avoided the odor.
One man was quoted saying "It smelled pretty bad.
"Still later, scientists discovered that flies would avoid odors they associated with having lasers shined through their heads, regardless of cellular modifications.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775153</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776517</id>
	<title>The "explanation" is tricking the uninformed!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1255779300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When they shined a laser on the fly brains, the ATP was released, and the 'associative learning' cells were activated. The laser flash was paired with an odor, effectively giving the fly a memory of a bad experience with the odor that it never actually had, such that it then avoided the odor in later experiments.</p></div><p>People who don't know how brains learn, might believe the "that it never actually had" part.</p><p>But if you know anything about that, you will know that what they did, was the same thing as what we call "learning": Associating something with something else.<br>In this case they just provided the "bad feeling" part of the association, while the odor was in place. Causing the fly to learn that the odor causes that bad feeling.<br>The same thing as if someone would always kick you in the balls when you see a pretty lady. (Just that the kicker would be invisible.)</p><p>And actually, a large laser on your brain *is* something pretty bad, that is unknown to a fly.<br>So this is nothing very special at all! They just found another way to "kick the fly in the balls". ^^<br>With an indirect way, using ATP and laser, but still just that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When they shined a laser on the fly brains , the ATP was released , and the 'associative learning ' cells were activated .
The laser flash was paired with an odor , effectively giving the fly a memory of a bad experience with the odor that it never actually had , such that it then avoided the odor in later experiments.People who do n't know how brains learn , might believe the " that it never actually had " part.But if you know anything about that , you will know that what they did , was the same thing as what we call " learning " : Associating something with something else.In this case they just provided the " bad feeling " part of the association , while the odor was in place .
Causing the fly to learn that the odor causes that bad feeling.The same thing as if someone would always kick you in the balls when you see a pretty lady .
( Just that the kicker would be invisible .
) And actually , a large laser on your brain * is * something pretty bad , that is unknown to a fly.So this is nothing very special at all !
They just found another way to " kick the fly in the balls " .
^ ^ With an indirect way , using ATP and laser , but still just that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When they shined a laser on the fly brains, the ATP was released, and the 'associative learning' cells were activated.
The laser flash was paired with an odor, effectively giving the fly a memory of a bad experience with the odor that it never actually had, such that it then avoided the odor in later experiments.People who don't know how brains learn, might believe the "that it never actually had" part.But if you know anything about that, you will know that what they did, was the same thing as what we call "learning": Associating something with something else.In this case they just provided the "bad feeling" part of the association, while the odor was in place.
Causing the fly to learn that the odor causes that bad feeling.The same thing as if someone would always kick you in the balls when you see a pretty lady.
(Just that the kicker would be invisible.
)And actually, a large laser on your brain *is* something pretty bad, that is unknown to a fly.So this is nothing very special at all!
They just found another way to "kick the fly in the balls".
^^With an indirect way, using ATP and laser, but still just that.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775853</id>
	<title>Hmmm...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255718520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does this explain why I have 8 years' worth of awful memories of George W. Bush being President? Please say yes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this explain why I have 8 years ' worth of awful memories of George W. Bush being President ?
Please say yes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this explain why I have 8 years' worth of awful memories of George W. Bush being President?
Please say yes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775159</id>
	<title>Giving flies bad memories?</title>
	<author>dov\_0</author>
	<datestamp>1255706160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>In my day we just ripped their wings off. This new stuff is REALLY sick...</htmltext>
<tokenext>In my day we just ripped their wings off .
This new stuff is REALLY sick.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my day we just ripped their wings off.
This new stuff is REALLY sick...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775659</id>
	<title>In order to get the memories...</title>
	<author>mattbode</author>
	<datestamp>1255714440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>the flies used 'atp-get'</htmltext>
<tokenext>the flies used 'atp-get'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the flies used 'atp-get'</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29777691</id>
	<title>This is just the tip of the iceberg</title>
	<author>asaz989</author>
	<datestamp>1255795560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just listened to the NPR interview with one of the researchers - turns out this is just a method demonstration. The method itself lets them activate *any* class of neurons (with sufficiently distinct markers). They went so far as to turn on (oh Lord, forgive me for my puns) male courtship behaviors in male flies - and, strangely enough, in female flies too. The memory-inducing one is just the flashiest, and the one that will probably lead to the most new fundamental knowledge about brain function.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just listened to the NPR interview with one of the researchers - turns out this is just a method demonstration .
The method itself lets them activate * any * class of neurons ( with sufficiently distinct markers ) .
They went so far as to turn on ( oh Lord , forgive me for my puns ) male courtship behaviors in male flies - and , strangely enough , in female flies too .
The memory-inducing one is just the flashiest , and the one that will probably lead to the most new fundamental knowledge about brain function .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just listened to the NPR interview with one of the researchers - turns out this is just a method demonstration.
The method itself lets them activate *any* class of neurons (with sufficiently distinct markers).
They went so far as to turn on (oh Lord, forgive me for my puns) male courtship behaviors in male flies - and, strangely enough, in female flies too.
The memory-inducing one is just the flashiest, and the one that will probably lead to the most new fundamental knowledge about brain function.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775395</id>
	<title>Awesome</title>
	<author>pieisgood</author>
	<datestamp>1255709760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We already know we can implant false memories into humans and now a method for creating false bad memories in flies by command? Things are looking good.

I just want a way to model this as a system instead of just being able to target groups of cells. Full neural systems would be awesome!</htmltext>
<tokenext>We already know we can implant false memories into humans and now a method for creating false bad memories in flies by command ?
Things are looking good .
I just want a way to model this as a system instead of just being able to target groups of cells .
Full neural systems would be awesome !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We already know we can implant false memories into humans and now a method for creating false bad memories in flies by command?
Things are looking good.
I just want a way to model this as a system instead of just being able to target groups of cells.
Full neural systems would be awesome!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775649</id>
	<title>Total Recall</title>
	<author>nacturation</author>
	<datestamp>1255714260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, the fly DID come back thinking it was a secret agent on Mars...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the fly DID come back thinking it was a secret agent on Mars.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the fly DID come back thinking it was a secret agent on Mars...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775229</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775685</id>
	<title>Post-Experiment Fly Interview...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255714800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Help me! Help me!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Help me !
Help me !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Help me!
Help me!
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775915</id>
	<title>Re:Why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255719960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That teaching thing reminds me of <a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/18602" title="gutenberg.org" rel="nofollow">The 4th R</a> [gutenberg.org]. (Fun read, even if a bit dated in some parts.) Of course implanting memories or imprints of bad experiences could cause havoc if association combined with feedback loops come into play. (Hope that's not too much a spoiler.)</p><p>As for that cloning thing, if I could do mind transfer - why not see if it works on somebody better than a clone of myself? If I had that tech, creating a scenario ala Freejack would seem more fun.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That teaching thing reminds me of The 4th R [ gutenberg.org ] .
( Fun read , even if a bit dated in some parts .
) Of course implanting memories or imprints of bad experiences could cause havoc if association combined with feedback loops come into play .
( Hope that 's not too much a spoiler .
) As for that cloning thing , if I could do mind transfer - why not see if it works on somebody better than a clone of myself ?
If I had that tech , creating a scenario ala Freejack would seem more fun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That teaching thing reminds me of The 4th R [gutenberg.org].
(Fun read, even if a bit dated in some parts.
) Of course implanting memories or imprints of bad experiences could cause havoc if association combined with feedback loops come into play.
(Hope that's not too much a spoiler.
)As for that cloning thing, if I could do mind transfer - why not see if it works on somebody better than a clone of myself?
If I had that tech, creating a scenario ala Freejack would seem more fun.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775587</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775325</id>
	<title>I can't wait to do this to women...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255708560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... admit it, you would if you could get away with it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... admit it , you would if you could get away with it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... admit it, you would if you could get away with it!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29780291</id>
	<title>Gee this has impressed me!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255777500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well what will they do next? So, this is the shape of new mobile memory: fly brains. I for one would like to also write my memoirs on a fly brain just like these scientists. So, I'll then be able to put all my data onto these flies brains. I can't wait for windoze to appear on flys brains. Windows fly-brain edition 20.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well what will they do next ?
So , this is the shape of new mobile memory : fly brains .
I for one would like to also write my memoirs on a fly brain just like these scientists .
So , I 'll then be able to put all my data onto these flies brains .
I ca n't wait for windoze to appear on flys brains .
Windows fly-brain edition 20 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well what will they do next?
So, this is the shape of new mobile memory: fly brains.
I for one would like to also write my memoirs on a fly brain just like these scientists.
So, I'll then be able to put all my data onto these flies brains.
I can't wait for windoze to appear on flys brains.
Windows fly-brain edition 20.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775779</id>
	<title>Re:Sounds like a bad experience to me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255716240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they try it on my girlfriend, it won't work anyways. She will probably keep going to that 'sooooooooooo cuuuuuuuuuuute LOL light", as her only two alive brain cells will be busy thinking on how to put that "kewl" experience at her MySpace page... Well, she doesn't need a brain anyways. She is pretty as hell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they try it on my girlfriend , it wo n't work anyways .
She will probably keep going to that 'sooooooooooo cuuuuuuuuuuute LOL light " , as her only two alive brain cells will be busy thinking on how to put that " kewl " experience at her MySpace page... Well , she does n't need a brain anyways .
She is pretty as hell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they try it on my girlfriend, it won't work anyways.
She will probably keep going to that 'sooooooooooo cuuuuuuuuuuute LOL light", as her only two alive brain cells will be busy thinking on how to put that "kewl" experience at her MySpace page... Well, she doesn't need a brain anyways.
She is pretty as hell.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775305</parent>
</comment>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_18</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776883
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775305
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_12</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776011
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775479
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_5</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775915
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775587
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_29</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776559
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_8</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775649
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775229
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_2</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776471
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775229
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_24</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29777677
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775157
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_10</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775469
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_31</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776373
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775587
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_3</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776415
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775157
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_32</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29777957
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775159
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_23</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775571
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_0</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29781601
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775157
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_16</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775519
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_19</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776587
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775353
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_22</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776217
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775183
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775157
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_13</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776857
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_6</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29779411
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775151
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_28</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775487
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_21</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775517
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_14</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776523
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775479
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_9</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29781637
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775305
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_11</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29780681
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775153
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_27</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775529
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_4</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775779
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775305
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_26</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776259
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775305
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_17</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775851
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775479
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_7</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775387
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775353
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_1</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775539
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_25</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775267
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775229
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_30</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29779739
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775451
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775153
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_20</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775721
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775499
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367
</commentlist>
</thread>
<thread>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#thread_09_10_16_2345204_15</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775427
http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367
</commentlist>
</thread>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_10_16_2345204.3</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775627
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_10_16_2345204.4</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775159
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29777957
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_10_16_2345204.1</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775193
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_10_16_2345204.2</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775305
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775779
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29781637
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776259
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776883
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_10_16_2345204.0</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775151
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29779411
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_10_16_2345204.14</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775693
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_10_16_2345204.12</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775155
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_10_16_2345204.15</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775463
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_10_16_2345204.9</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775211
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_10_16_2345204.13</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775663
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_10_16_2345204.18</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775229
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776471
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775267
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775649
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_10_16_2345204.7</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775625
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_10_16_2345204.16</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775913
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_10_16_2345204.5</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775345
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_10_16_2345204.19</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775153
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775451
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29779739
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29780681
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_10_16_2345204.10</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775443
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_10_16_2345204.17</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775353
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775387
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776587
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_10_16_2345204.8</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775157
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29777677
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776415
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29781601
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775183
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776217
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_10_16_2345204.11</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776613
</commentlist>
</conversation>
<conversation>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#conversation09_10_16_2345204.6</id>
	<commentlist>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775367
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776857
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775469
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775487
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775587
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775915
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776373
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775529
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775519
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775517
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775539
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775427
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776559
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775571
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775499
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775721
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775479
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776523
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29775851
--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_2345204.29776011
</commentlist>
</conversation>
