<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_16_1730246</id>
	<title>Author Encourages Users to Pirate His Book</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1255721280000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>mariushm writes <i>"Peter Cooper, the author of Beginning Ruby, breaks down <a href="http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/">how he gets paid for the book</a>, including the advance and royalties, giving a nice clean explanation of how authors get paid for their books.  He also describes the negotiations over the second edition of the book, in which he begged his publisher, Apress, to offer the ebook version for free, believing (strongly) that it would promote sales of the paper book. He even notes that the original version's ebook barely had noteworthy sales, so it seemed reasonable to offer up the ebook for free to drive more attention. No dice. Even though Apress has done that with other similar titles, it wouldn't agree.  As he retains the copyright for the actual text, he encourages people to buy the book and create an online version of it without covers, contents table and indexes, promising not to enforce his copyright over the new work."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>mariushm writes " Peter Cooper , the author of Beginning Ruby , breaks down how he gets paid for the book , including the advance and royalties , giving a nice clean explanation of how authors get paid for their books .
He also describes the negotiations over the second edition of the book , in which he begged his publisher , Apress , to offer the ebook version for free , believing ( strongly ) that it would promote sales of the paper book .
He even notes that the original version 's ebook barely had noteworthy sales , so it seemed reasonable to offer up the ebook for free to drive more attention .
No dice .
Even though Apress has done that with other similar titles , it would n't agree .
As he retains the copyright for the actual text , he encourages people to buy the book and create an online version of it without covers , contents table and indexes , promising not to enforce his copyright over the new work .
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<sentencetext>mariushm writes "Peter Cooper, the author of Beginning Ruby, breaks down how he gets paid for the book, including the advance and royalties, giving a nice clean explanation of how authors get paid for their books.
He also describes the negotiations over the second edition of the book, in which he begged his publisher, Apress, to offer the ebook version for free, believing (strongly) that it would promote sales of the paper book.
He even notes that the original version's ebook barely had noteworthy sales, so it seemed reasonable to offer up the ebook for free to drive more attention.
No dice.
Even though Apress has done that with other similar titles, it wouldn't agree.
As he retains the copyright for the actual text, he encourages people to buy the book and create an online version of it without covers, contents table and indexes, promising not to enforce his copyright over the new work.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29774317</id>
	<title>Excellent author. Good luck with the baby!</title>
	<author>NecroPsyChroNauTron</author>
	<datestamp>1255696800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've gained quite a bit of respect for this author. I mentioned his book on twitter, and he promptly responded to my comment, and I've since then been following him. I generally only follow locals or people I have a significant reason to follow. I like his ethics and intitative. Free distribution of knowledge for those who seek it is a rather noble thing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've gained quite a bit of respect for this author .
I mentioned his book on twitter , and he promptly responded to my comment , and I 've since then been following him .
I generally only follow locals or people I have a significant reason to follow .
I like his ethics and intitative .
Free distribution of knowledge for those who seek it is a rather noble thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've gained quite a bit of respect for this author.
I mentioned his book on twitter, and he promptly responded to my comment, and I've since then been following him.
I generally only follow locals or people I have a significant reason to follow.
I like his ethics and intitative.
Free distribution of knowledge for those who seek it is a rather noble thing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29771963</id>
	<title>I don't think so...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255724880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have dealt quite a bit with copyright law when creating FairSoftware's <a href="http://fairsoftware.net/" title="fairsoftware.net" rel="nofollow">virtual company</a> [fairsoftware.net] license. I'm afraid the author is incorrect when he says that he retains copyright, therefore he can authorize people to download his book for free. He most likely granted the publisher an <strong>exclusive license</strong>. The whole point of the word <em>exclusive</em> is to say that although you are the author, you can't give the text to anyone else anymore, once you signed the book deal.</p><p>That being said, this is a great blog post for everyone who ever wondered how tech book deals work. He is making about $2 per sale of a $40 book! So there's a great debate about whether to go with an editor which will take a much lower cut, but will also not be so good at promoting the book. At least someone is making money from publishing content related to open source technology<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have dealt quite a bit with copyright law when creating FairSoftware 's virtual company [ fairsoftware.net ] license .
I 'm afraid the author is incorrect when he says that he retains copyright , therefore he can authorize people to download his book for free .
He most likely granted the publisher an exclusive license .
The whole point of the word exclusive is to say that although you are the author , you ca n't give the text to anyone else anymore , once you signed the book deal.That being said , this is a great blog post for everyone who ever wondered how tech book deals work .
He is making about $ 2 per sale of a $ 40 book !
So there 's a great debate about whether to go with an editor which will take a much lower cut , but will also not be so good at promoting the book .
At least someone is making money from publishing content related to open source technology : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have dealt quite a bit with copyright law when creating FairSoftware's virtual company [fairsoftware.net] license.
I'm afraid the author is incorrect when he says that he retains copyright, therefore he can authorize people to download his book for free.
He most likely granted the publisher an exclusive license.
The whole point of the word exclusive is to say that although you are the author, you can't give the text to anyone else anymore, once you signed the book deal.That being said, this is a great blog post for everyone who ever wondered how tech book deals work.
He is making about $2 per sale of a $40 book!
So there's a great debate about whether to go with an editor which will take a much lower cut, but will also not be so good at promoting the book.
At least someone is making money from publishing content related to open source technology :-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29773579</id>
	<title>"Free" pdf has made me buy before...</title>
	<author>jaymz2k4</author>
	<datestamp>1255691340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>After I read the summary and saw this "Apress, to offer the ebook version for free, believing (strongly) that it would promote sales of the paper book.", I had to post just to say I totally agree. I much prefer a paper back copy (and not a loosely bound pile of A4 printouts) for studying material at leisure. Especially when I'm dipping into a new topic and want a good overview rather than the stage where I'm piecing together bits of knowledge from the net.I really like the typesetting and format of the Apress books so after a couple of days of reading through their Pro Drupal and the PHP patterns book via the PDF I decided I really did want these books and went off to pick them up from the bookstore.<br> <br>Whilst I agree that there are some that always will just take the stuff, for those that can afford it many will buy it if they want it. I'm going to get the PDF anyway from something like ebookee or even google so just give up already and promote it on your site and take the print sales as they come. Those that really want this book will buy it. Fair play to the author.</htmltext>
<tokenext>After I read the summary and saw this " Apress , to offer the ebook version for free , believing ( strongly ) that it would promote sales of the paper book .
" , I had to post just to say I totally agree .
I much prefer a paper back copy ( and not a loosely bound pile of A4 printouts ) for studying material at leisure .
Especially when I 'm dipping into a new topic and want a good overview rather than the stage where I 'm piecing together bits of knowledge from the net.I really like the typesetting and format of the Apress books so after a couple of days of reading through their Pro Drupal and the PHP patterns book via the PDF I decided I really did want these books and went off to pick them up from the bookstore .
Whilst I agree that there are some that always will just take the stuff , for those that can afford it many will buy it if they want it .
I 'm going to get the PDF anyway from something like ebookee or even google so just give up already and promote it on your site and take the print sales as they come .
Those that really want this book will buy it .
Fair play to the author .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After I read the summary and saw this "Apress, to offer the ebook version for free, believing (strongly) that it would promote sales of the paper book.
", I had to post just to say I totally agree.
I much prefer a paper back copy (and not a loosely bound pile of A4 printouts) for studying material at leisure.
Especially when I'm dipping into a new topic and want a good overview rather than the stage where I'm piecing together bits of knowledge from the net.I really like the typesetting and format of the Apress books so after a couple of days of reading through their Pro Drupal and the PHP patterns book via the PDF I decided I really did want these books and went off to pick them up from the bookstore.
Whilst I agree that there are some that always will just take the stuff, for those that can afford it many will buy it if they want it.
I'm going to get the PDF anyway from something like ebookee or even google so just give up already and promote it on your site and take the print sales as they come.
Those that really want this book will buy it.
Fair play to the author.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29772011</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1255725060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Surely the publisher provided an editor to clean up the manuscript before publication, thus putting the copyright clearly in the hands of someone besides the author alone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Surely the publisher provided an editor to clean up the manuscript before publication , thus putting the copyright clearly in the hands of someone besides the author alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Surely the publisher provided an editor to clean up the manuscript before publication, thus putting the copyright clearly in the hands of someone besides the author alone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29771963</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29773411</id>
	<title>Article is gone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255690260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks like he, or the hosting company took the article down. <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1407545&amp;cid=29772289" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">Vengie was probably right</a> [slashdot.org] on the exclusive licensee has the right to sue comment. I'm sure someone notified one or both parties about this which resulted in the article being pulled.  It was very interesting while it lasted, I hope he doesn't get into too much trouble... I guess in the end you should consult with a lawyer when dealing with contract matters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like he , or the hosting company took the article down .
Vengie was probably right [ slashdot.org ] on the exclusive licensee has the right to sue comment .
I 'm sure someone notified one or both parties about this which resulted in the article being pulled .
It was very interesting while it lasted , I hope he does n't get into too much trouble... I guess in the end you should consult with a lawyer when dealing with contract matters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like he, or the hosting company took the article down.
Vengie was probably right [slashdot.org] on the exclusive licensee has the right to sue comment.
I'm sure someone notified one or both parties about this which resulted in the article being pulled.
It was very interesting while it lasted, I hope he doesn't get into too much trouble... I guess in the end you should consult with a lawyer when dealing with contract matters.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29773673</id>
	<title>Mirror?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255692060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anyone have a mirror?  The main link is redirecting to cancer.org now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone have a mirror ?
The main link is redirecting to cancer.org now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone have a mirror?
The main link is redirecting to cancer.org now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29781451</id>
	<title>Re:A bad summary makes bad responses</title>
	<author>gerblazi</author>
	<datestamp>1255791660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One thing I've learned from reading<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. for years is that one must always read the posted article.  Unfortunately  I don't live on the computer, so by the time this topic came to me I am no longer able to RTFA.  I will read the original text if it is posted someplace.<br>(By the way, congrats on the kid!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One thing I 've learned from reading / .
for years is that one must always read the posted article .
Unfortunately I do n't live on the computer , so by the time this topic came to me I am no longer able to RTFA .
I will read the original text if it is posted someplace .
( By the way , congrats on the kid !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One thing I've learned from reading /.
for years is that one must always read the posted article.
Unfortunately  I don't live on the computer, so by the time this topic came to me I am no longer able to RTFA.
I will read the original text if it is posted someplace.
(By the way, congrats on the kid!
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29773247</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29773321</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>mrjb</author>
	<datestamp>1255689660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>He most likely granted the publisher an exclusive license.</p></div></blockquote><p> Depending on your goals, that may or may not be a smart move. In any case, it makes you lose control over the book you published depending on the duration of the license.
If your incentive is to get the word out rather than the money, it's probably smarter to keep ownership of your book by self-publishing -- you can then do as you please, all up to the point of giving away your book for free, no strings attached. (By the way, feel free to download mine!)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>He most likely granted the publisher an exclusive license .
Depending on your goals , that may or may not be a smart move .
In any case , it makes you lose control over the book you published depending on the duration of the license .
If your incentive is to get the word out rather than the money , it 's probably smarter to keep ownership of your book by self-publishing -- you can then do as you please , all up to the point of giving away your book for free , no strings attached .
( By the way , feel free to download mine !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He most likely granted the publisher an exclusive license.
Depending on your goals, that may or may not be a smart move.
In any case, it makes you lose control over the book you published depending on the duration of the license.
If your incentive is to get the word out rather than the money, it's probably smarter to keep ownership of your book by self-publishing -- you can then do as you please, all up to the point of giving away your book for free, no strings attached.
(By the way, feel free to download mine!
)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29771963</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29773121</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>fooslacker</author>
	<datestamp>1255688340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why doesn't a publisher just offer 40\% royalties or something and annihilate the competition?</p></div><p>Because they don't have to.  They have "industry standard practices" that effectively let them act like a trust without technically being a trust.  It's a form of implicitly limiting labor costs.  As publishing becomes more and more frictionless and major publishers less and less valuable they'll get smaller, control less, and authors will earn more as they become more competitive.  As long as they control the entry point into a market however they can pretty much use these types of practices.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does n't a publisher just offer 40 \ % royalties or something and annihilate the competition ? Because they do n't have to .
They have " industry standard practices " that effectively let them act like a trust without technically being a trust .
It 's a form of implicitly limiting labor costs .
As publishing becomes more and more frictionless and major publishers less and less valuable they 'll get smaller , control less , and authors will earn more as they become more competitive .
As long as they control the entry point into a market however they can pretty much use these types of practices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why doesn't a publisher just offer 40\% royalties or something and annihilate the competition?Because they don't have to.
They have "industry standard practices" that effectively let them act like a trust without technically being a trust.
It's a form of implicitly limiting labor costs.
As publishing becomes more and more frictionless and major publishers less and less valuable they'll get smaller, control less, and authors will earn more as they become more competitive.
As long as they control the entry point into a market however they can pretty much use these types of practices.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29772039</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29772603</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1255685220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I have dealt quite a bit with copyright law when creating FairSoftware's <a href="http://fairsoftware.net/" title="fairsoftware.net">virtual company</a> [fairsoftware.net] license. I'm afraid the author is incorrect when he says that he retains copyright, therefore he can authorize people to download his book for free. He most likely granted the publisher an <strong>exclusive license</strong>.</p> </div><p>Did you read HIS contract? If not, you are only guessing. He may actually have negotiated and retained rights..</p><p>sure its doubtful, but its his contact, not yours.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have dealt quite a bit with copyright law when creating FairSoftware 's virtual company [ fairsoftware.net ] license .
I 'm afraid the author is incorrect when he says that he retains copyright , therefore he can authorize people to download his book for free .
He most likely granted the publisher an exclusive license .
Did you read HIS contract ?
If not , you are only guessing .
He may actually have negotiated and retained rights..sure its doubtful , but its his contact , not yours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have dealt quite a bit with copyright law when creating FairSoftware's virtual company [fairsoftware.net] license.
I'm afraid the author is incorrect when he says that he retains copyright, therefore he can authorize people to download his book for free.
He most likely granted the publisher an exclusive license.
Did you read HIS contract?
If not, you are only guessing.
He may actually have negotiated and retained rights..sure its doubtful, but its his contact, not yours.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29771963</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29774475</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>WalksOnDirt</author>
	<datestamp>1255698300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2009/09/hey-ya-mal/comment-page-3/#comment-136781" title="realclimate.org">Greg Craven</a> [realclimate.org] has taken much the same stance with his book about the climate change debate.  He doesn't expect he'll ever make anything over his advance, and he'd like more people to read it.  This is the guy who got started by putting up a series of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zORv8wwiadQ" title="youtube.com">videos</a> [youtube.com] on YouTube on the subject.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Greg Craven [ realclimate.org ] has taken much the same stance with his book about the climate change debate .
He does n't expect he 'll ever make anything over his advance , and he 'd like more people to read it .
This is the guy who got started by putting up a series of videos [ youtube.com ] on YouTube on the subject .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Greg Craven [realclimate.org] has taken much the same stance with his book about the climate change debate.
He doesn't expect he'll ever make anything over his advance, and he'd like more people to read it.
This is the guy who got started by putting up a series of videos [youtube.com] on YouTube on the subject.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29772095</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29782101</id>
	<title>Doh!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255804500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>His point is... 'Fuck technology'. He doesn't really GAF.  Over-intellectualizing is never pretty. Try not to over think shit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>His point is... 'Fuck technology' .
He does n't really GAF .
Over-intellectualizing is never pretty .
Try not to over think shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>His point is... 'Fuck technology'.
He doesn't really GAF.
Over-intellectualizing is never pretty.
Try not to over think shit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29773353</id>
	<title>Same here</title>
	<author>mdmkolbe</author>
	<datestamp>1255689840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same here.  I have no clues, but it's not just you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same here .
I have no clues , but it 's not just you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same here.
I have no clues, but it's not just you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29773273</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29773639</id>
	<title>Bad judgment by author makes situation worse!</title>
	<author>maxfresh</author>
	<datestamp>1255691820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, you are unhappy with Slashdot's summary and the resulting comments, but instead of emailing the "editors", or writing a post like this one, correcting the inaccuracies as you perceive them, you redirected your site to the American Cancer Society, sending them hits from people who have no intention of going there, thereby costing them wasted bandwidth, and risking slashdotting their servers? Do you think that your pique, or your new-father status justifies that? Maybe your lack of sleep explains it, but it is all in very poor taste, and reflects very poor judgment.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , you are unhappy with Slashdot 's summary and the resulting comments , but instead of emailing the " editors " , or writing a post like this one , correcting the inaccuracies as you perceive them , you redirected your site to the American Cancer Society , sending them hits from people who have no intention of going there , thereby costing them wasted bandwidth , and risking slashdotting their servers ?
Do you think that your pique , or your new-father status justifies that ?
Maybe your lack of sleep explains it , but it is all in very poor taste , and reflects very poor judgment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, you are unhappy with Slashdot's summary and the resulting comments, but instead of emailing the "editors", or writing a post like this one, correcting the inaccuracies as you perceive them, you redirected your site to the American Cancer Society, sending them hits from people who have no intention of going there, thereby costing them wasted bandwidth, and risking slashdotting their servers?
Do you think that your pique, or your new-father status justifies that?
Maybe your lack of sleep explains it, but it is all in very poor taste, and reflects very poor judgment.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29773247</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29775719</id>
	<title>Link</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255715280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm trying to RTFA (gasp!), but why do I keep getting redirected to cancer.org?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:o</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm trying to RTFA ( gasp !
) , but why do I keep getting redirected to cancer.org ?
: o</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm trying to RTFA (gasp!
), but why do I keep getting redirected to cancer.org?
:o</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29772187</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>DerekLyons</author>
	<datestamp>1255726080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>That being said, this is a great blog post for everyone who ever wondered how tech book deals work. He is making about $2 per sale of a $40 book!</p></div></blockquote><p>For reference - that's 5\%, essentially 5\% profit.  In most places in the business world, that would be considered screamingly successful.  Doubly so since he's making an ongoing profit for work he did only once and isn't responsible for the ongoing work of marketing and stocking.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That being said , this is a great blog post for everyone who ever wondered how tech book deals work .
He is making about $ 2 per sale of a $ 40 book ! For reference - that 's 5 \ % , essentially 5 \ % profit .
In most places in the business world , that would be considered screamingly successful .
Doubly so since he 's making an ongoing profit for work he did only once and is n't responsible for the ongoing work of marketing and stocking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That being said, this is a great blog post for everyone who ever wondered how tech book deals work.
He is making about $2 per sale of a $40 book!For reference - that's 5\%, essentially 5\% profit.
In most places in the business world, that would be considered screamingly successful.
Doubly so since he's making an ongoing profit for work he did only once and isn't responsible for the ongoing work of marketing and stocking.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29794605</id>
	<title>Link</title>
	<author>Sarlin</author>
	<datestamp>1255969080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why does the link take you to a cancer site to donate money?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. hijacked? Or the other site?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does the link take you to a cancer site to donate money ?
/. hijacked ?
Or the other site ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does the link take you to a cancer site to donate money?
/. hijacked?
Or the other site?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29774023</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255694280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not correct, IMVHO.</p><p>His exclusive license likely has nothing to do with his right to grant a covenant not to enforce his copyright against people who digitize his books for him.</p><p>He might not be able to sell the text elsewhere, however, as long as he still has title to the copyright itself nothing stops him from looking the other way if someone decides to scan it themselves.</p><p>If he signed over his rights to litigate for copyright infringement, then he's screwed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not correct , IMVHO.His exclusive license likely has nothing to do with his right to grant a covenant not to enforce his copyright against people who digitize his books for him.He might not be able to sell the text elsewhere , however , as long as he still has title to the copyright itself nothing stops him from looking the other way if someone decides to scan it themselves.If he signed over his rights to litigate for copyright infringement , then he 's screwed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not correct, IMVHO.His exclusive license likely has nothing to do with his right to grant a covenant not to enforce his copyright against people who digitize his books for him.He might not be able to sell the text elsewhere, however, as long as he still has title to the copyright itself nothing stops him from looking the other way if someone decides to scan it themselves.If he signed over his rights to litigate for copyright infringement, then he's screwed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29774181</id>
	<title>do it yourself</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255695720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want you book online for free, do it, but do not ask us to do the legwork, pfff!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want you book online for free , do it , but do not ask us to do the legwork , pfff !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want you book online for free, do it, but do not ask us to do the legwork, pfff!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29773763</id>
	<title>A good argument for LuLu, etc.</title>
	<author>HiThere</author>
	<datestamp>1255692660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a good argument for the various on-demand publishers.  FWIW, I've got a few APress books, and several books on Ruby.  I don't recall *EVER* seeing an ad for his book.  So I don't see any reason he should be expected to pay ANYTHING for marketing.  I've bought books from LuLu and they did a good job of binding, selling, and shipping.  At a *MUCH* lower price in overhead.  And I believe the author keeps ALL rights.</p><p>Once upon a time there was a reasonable argument for the publishing houses.  That time is now well over a decade in the past.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a good argument for the various on-demand publishers .
FWIW , I 've got a few APress books , and several books on Ruby .
I do n't recall * EVER * seeing an ad for his book .
So I do n't see any reason he should be expected to pay ANYTHING for marketing .
I 've bought books from LuLu and they did a good job of binding , selling , and shipping .
At a * MUCH * lower price in overhead .
And I believe the author keeps ALL rights.Once upon a time there was a reasonable argument for the publishing houses .
That time is now well over a decade in the past .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a good argument for the various on-demand publishers.
FWIW, I've got a few APress books, and several books on Ruby.
I don't recall *EVER* seeing an ad for his book.
So I don't see any reason he should be expected to pay ANYTHING for marketing.
I've bought books from LuLu and they did a good job of binding, selling, and shipping.
At a *MUCH* lower price in overhead.
And I believe the author keeps ALL rights.Once upon a time there was a reasonable argument for the publishing houses.
That time is now well over a decade in the past.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29772321</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1255683660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>He most likely granted the publisher an exclusive license.</i></p><p>On one hand, the author himself, who was there for the signing of the contract, states he did not give them an exclusive license on the text, but states he didn't create the covers, toc, or index thus can't give permission to copy that.</p><p>On the other hand, someone on slashdot states what the author \_most likely\_ did, in their overly well informed opinion.</p><p>Well that settles it!</p><p>Actually I sorta like that idea.<br>Personally, I think he most likely never even spoke to a book publisher, and not only wants his book to be free, but will pay us to read it!  I'm sure that is the case.</p><p>*Goes off to download an ebook and wait for my check in the mail*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He most likely granted the publisher an exclusive license.On one hand , the author himself , who was there for the signing of the contract , states he did not give them an exclusive license on the text , but states he did n't create the covers , toc , or index thus ca n't give permission to copy that.On the other hand , someone on slashdot states what the author \ _most likely \ _ did , in their overly well informed opinion.Well that settles it ! Actually I sorta like that idea.Personally , I think he most likely never even spoke to a book publisher , and not only wants his book to be free , but will pay us to read it !
I 'm sure that is the case .
* Goes off to download an ebook and wait for my check in the mail *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He most likely granted the publisher an exclusive license.On one hand, the author himself, who was there for the signing of the contract, states he did not give them an exclusive license on the text, but states he didn't create the covers, toc, or index thus can't give permission to copy that.On the other hand, someone on slashdot states what the author \_most likely\_ did, in their overly well informed opinion.Well that settles it!Actually I sorta like that idea.Personally, I think he most likely never even spoke to a book publisher, and not only wants his book to be free, but will pay us to read it!
I'm sure that is the case.
*Goes off to download an ebook and wait for my check in the mail*</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29771963</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29773273</id>
	<title>Weird redirection</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255689240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Weird, I just got redirected to <a href="http://www.cancer.org/docroot/don/don\_0.asp" title="cancer.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.cancer.org/docroot/don/don\_0.asp</a> [cancer.org], is somebody having this problem too?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Weird , I just got redirected to http : //www.cancer.org/docroot/don/don \ _0.asp [ cancer.org ] , is somebody having this problem too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Weird, I just got redirected to http://www.cancer.org/docroot/don/don\_0.asp [cancer.org], is somebody having this problem too?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29775871</id>
	<title>Something fishy...</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1255718760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/" title="beginningruby.org">http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/</a> [beginningruby.org]</p><p>Redirects to:</p><p><a href="http://www.cancer.org/docroot/don/don\_0.asp" title="cancer.org">http://www.cancer.org/docroot/don/don\_0.asp</a> [cancer.org]</p><p>I can think of two possibilities:</p><p>1)  Article is bogus<br>2)  Article site got hacked</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/ [ beginningruby.org ] Redirects to : http : //www.cancer.org/docroot/don/don \ _0.asp [ cancer.org ] I can think of two possibilities : 1 ) Article is bogus2 ) Article site got hacked</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/ [beginningruby.org]Redirects to:http://www.cancer.org/docroot/don/don\_0.asp [cancer.org]I can think of two possibilities:1)  Article is bogus2)  Article site got hacked</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29774841</id>
	<title>To be honest</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255701840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Going to be an anonymous coward here.</p><p>This reminds me of something quite recently - I was curious about all the hype that surrounds Ruby on Rails.  So I went to the site, saw the recommended book, saw it was $24 just for the eBook.</p><p>"What if RoR is not as good as the hype says?" I thought, and therefore pirated it as a trial.  Genuinely, if RoR had been any good (IMHO) I'd have bought it.</p><p>As it turns out, I hated it, deleted the book and went with a framework that could actually be deployed  (no, passenger didn't help).</p><p>Had piracy not been an option?  I don't know.  On the one hand, trial is a good way to reassure you into buying something that you might not have invested in.  On the other hand, on the same basic issue - *maybe* I'd have been curious enough to buy it anyway.  Also, not everyone who pirates has a 'moral streak' if they find it useful. Which is better...... difficult question.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Going to be an anonymous coward here.This reminds me of something quite recently - I was curious about all the hype that surrounds Ruby on Rails .
So I went to the site , saw the recommended book , saw it was $ 24 just for the eBook .
" What if RoR is not as good as the hype says ?
" I thought , and therefore pirated it as a trial .
Genuinely , if RoR had been any good ( IMHO ) I 'd have bought it.As it turns out , I hated it , deleted the book and went with a framework that could actually be deployed ( no , passenger did n't help ) .Had piracy not been an option ?
I do n't know .
On the one hand , trial is a good way to reassure you into buying something that you might not have invested in .
On the other hand , on the same basic issue - * maybe * I 'd have been curious enough to buy it anyway .
Also , not everyone who pirates has a 'moral streak ' if they find it useful .
Which is better...... difficult question .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Going to be an anonymous coward here.This reminds me of something quite recently - I was curious about all the hype that surrounds Ruby on Rails.
So I went to the site, saw the recommended book, saw it was $24 just for the eBook.
"What if RoR is not as good as the hype says?
" I thought, and therefore pirated it as a trial.
Genuinely, if RoR had been any good (IMHO) I'd have bought it.As it turns out, I hated it, deleted the book and went with a framework that could actually be deployed  (no, passenger didn't help).Had piracy not been an option?
I don't know.
On the one hand, trial is a good way to reassure you into buying something that you might not have invested in.
On the other hand, on the same basic issue - *maybe* I'd have been curious enough to buy it anyway.
Also, not everyone who pirates has a 'moral streak' if they find it useful.
Which is better...... difficult question.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29775307</id>
	<title>e-Rights And Contracts</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1255708320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The author states he tried to get the publisher to allow free reproduction of electronic copies. This indicates that he signed over his rights of electronic reproduction (e-rights) to them, and is aware he did so. He may retain ownership over the text, but he has signed over the right to reproduce it in this form.</p><p>This has been standard practice in publishing for some time. Unless one is big enough to dictate one's own contracts, one ends up signing a contract with things in it favorable to the publisher in ways that aren't clear at first. The problem here came to light for me in the early days of the SFWA exploring piracy, e-rights and such. While some said that publishers were simply getting the authors to sign over rights just in case the publisher could figure out how to make money at it, some claimed a more sinister intent. They said that the publisher's were asking for exclusive (temporary or not) e-rights, so that if they encountered cases of the text being pirated in this form, it fell to the author to prevent other release in this form and so guarantee the exclusivity offered to the publisher in the contract. In this way the publisher avoided having to pursue, requiring the author to do so. If the author did not, it was tacit permission given to the pirate to reproduce a form covered in the contract.</p><p>Avoiding having to pursue was not the worst accusation. It was also claimed that the way the contracts were written, if the author did not act to protect his work against infringenment and so protect the rights he signed over to the publisher, the publisher could void the contract and require return of advance, royalties, etc., and if not forthcoming could appropriate the rights to the work.</p><p>Now, could have and would have aside, I know of no cases where it occurred. But the possibility was enough to be at least part of the reason Harlan Ellison chose to pursue some pirates, AOL, and RemarQ. (No, he didn't need to, he was making a point on behalf of others who couldn't afford this). And even if this has never occurred previously, if the present author's contract is written to give e-rights to the publisher and he not only doesn't pursue but allows or encourages electronic piracy, he'll be liable and could end up losing far more than potential sales.</p><p>e-rights are of little value in most cases except as leverage such as this. If nobody said or did anything publicly, probably nobody would have cared. But to publicly encourage others to violate rights he signed over could bring it all back down on him as well as cause other publishers who've lightened up on the whole subject to clamp back down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The author states he tried to get the publisher to allow free reproduction of electronic copies .
This indicates that he signed over his rights of electronic reproduction ( e-rights ) to them , and is aware he did so .
He may retain ownership over the text , but he has signed over the right to reproduce it in this form.This has been standard practice in publishing for some time .
Unless one is big enough to dictate one 's own contracts , one ends up signing a contract with things in it favorable to the publisher in ways that are n't clear at first .
The problem here came to light for me in the early days of the SFWA exploring piracy , e-rights and such .
While some said that publishers were simply getting the authors to sign over rights just in case the publisher could figure out how to make money at it , some claimed a more sinister intent .
They said that the publisher 's were asking for exclusive ( temporary or not ) e-rights , so that if they encountered cases of the text being pirated in this form , it fell to the author to prevent other release in this form and so guarantee the exclusivity offered to the publisher in the contract .
In this way the publisher avoided having to pursue , requiring the author to do so .
If the author did not , it was tacit permission given to the pirate to reproduce a form covered in the contract.Avoiding having to pursue was not the worst accusation .
It was also claimed that the way the contracts were written , if the author did not act to protect his work against infringenment and so protect the rights he signed over to the publisher , the publisher could void the contract and require return of advance , royalties , etc. , and if not forthcoming could appropriate the rights to the work.Now , could have and would have aside , I know of no cases where it occurred .
But the possibility was enough to be at least part of the reason Harlan Ellison chose to pursue some pirates , AOL , and RemarQ .
( No , he did n't need to , he was making a point on behalf of others who could n't afford this ) .
And even if this has never occurred previously , if the present author 's contract is written to give e-rights to the publisher and he not only does n't pursue but allows or encourages electronic piracy , he 'll be liable and could end up losing far more than potential sales.e-rights are of little value in most cases except as leverage such as this .
If nobody said or did anything publicly , probably nobody would have cared .
But to publicly encourage others to violate rights he signed over could bring it all back down on him as well as cause other publishers who 've lightened up on the whole subject to clamp back down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The author states he tried to get the publisher to allow free reproduction of electronic copies.
This indicates that he signed over his rights of electronic reproduction (e-rights) to them, and is aware he did so.
He may retain ownership over the text, but he has signed over the right to reproduce it in this form.This has been standard practice in publishing for some time.
Unless one is big enough to dictate one's own contracts, one ends up signing a contract with things in it favorable to the publisher in ways that aren't clear at first.
The problem here came to light for me in the early days of the SFWA exploring piracy, e-rights and such.
While some said that publishers were simply getting the authors to sign over rights just in case the publisher could figure out how to make money at it, some claimed a more sinister intent.
They said that the publisher's were asking for exclusive (temporary or not) e-rights, so that if they encountered cases of the text being pirated in this form, it fell to the author to prevent other release in this form and so guarantee the exclusivity offered to the publisher in the contract.
In this way the publisher avoided having to pursue, requiring the author to do so.
If the author did not, it was tacit permission given to the pirate to reproduce a form covered in the contract.Avoiding having to pursue was not the worst accusation.
It was also claimed that the way the contracts were written, if the author did not act to protect his work against infringenment and so protect the rights he signed over to the publisher, the publisher could void the contract and require return of advance, royalties, etc., and if not forthcoming could appropriate the rights to the work.Now, could have and would have aside, I know of no cases where it occurred.
But the possibility was enough to be at least part of the reason Harlan Ellison chose to pursue some pirates, AOL, and RemarQ.
(No, he didn't need to, he was making a point on behalf of others who couldn't afford this).
And even if this has never occurred previously, if the present author's contract is written to give e-rights to the publisher and he not only doesn't pursue but allows or encourages electronic piracy, he'll be liable and could end up losing far more than potential sales.e-rights are of little value in most cases except as leverage such as this.
If nobody said or did anything publicly, probably nobody would have cared.
But to publicly encourage others to violate rights he signed over could bring it all back down on him as well as cause other publishers who've lightened up on the whole subject to clamp back down.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29773385</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255690020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But he's not licensing it, he is merely saying that he will not enforce copyright over it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But he 's not licensing it , he is merely saying that he will not enforce copyright over it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But he's not licensing it, he is merely saying that he will not enforce copyright over it.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29772867</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>FrangoAssado</author>
	<datestamp>1255686720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>On one hand, the author himself, who was there for the signing of the contract, states he did not give them an exclusive license on the text, but states he didn't create the covers, toc, or index thus can't give permission to copy that.</p></div><p>That's not what the author stated. He actually wrote:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>My contract also states that I have exclusively allowed Apress to publish and reproduce my content.</p></div><p>He then went on about how he "suspects" that you can make a PDF without the cover, TOC and index without infringing any of the publisher's rights.</p><p>Tim O'Reilly, who (I'd guess) is very experienced with these kinds of contracts, wrote this in the comments of his post:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I&rsquo;d be very careful with your assumptions here. &ldquo;Owning the copyright&rdquo; doesn&rsquo;t mean what you seem to think it means. I haven&rsquo;t seen the language in the APress contract, but I suspect it says something to the effect that you grant them the exclusive right to publish, distribute, and sell (etc.) the book for the duration of the copyright. If this is so, the ONLY thing that you get from still owning the copyright is the ability to reacquire the rights in the event APress goes out of business.</p></div><p>So while we can't know without seeing the author's contract, it's reasonable to assume that what alain94040 wrote above is closer to the truth than what the author "suspects".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>On one hand , the author himself , who was there for the signing of the contract , states he did not give them an exclusive license on the text , but states he did n't create the covers , toc , or index thus ca n't give permission to copy that.That 's not what the author stated .
He actually wrote : My contract also states that I have exclusively allowed Apress to publish and reproduce my content.He then went on about how he " suspects " that you can make a PDF without the cover , TOC and index without infringing any of the publisher 's rights.Tim O'Reilly , who ( I 'd guess ) is very experienced with these kinds of contracts , wrote this in the comments of his post : I    d be very careful with your assumptions here .
   Owning the copyright    doesn    t mean what you seem to think it means .
I haven    t seen the language in the APress contract , but I suspect it says something to the effect that you grant them the exclusive right to publish , distribute , and sell ( etc .
) the book for the duration of the copyright .
If this is so , the ONLY thing that you get from still owning the copyright is the ability to reacquire the rights in the event APress goes out of business.So while we ca n't know without seeing the author 's contract , it 's reasonable to assume that what alain94040 wrote above is closer to the truth than what the author " suspects " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On one hand, the author himself, who was there for the signing of the contract, states he did not give them an exclusive license on the text, but states he didn't create the covers, toc, or index thus can't give permission to copy that.That's not what the author stated.
He actually wrote:My contract also states that I have exclusively allowed Apress to publish and reproduce my content.He then went on about how he "suspects" that you can make a PDF without the cover, TOC and index without infringing any of the publisher's rights.Tim O'Reilly, who (I'd guess) is very experienced with these kinds of contracts, wrote this in the comments of his post:I’d be very careful with your assumptions here.
“Owning the copyright” doesn’t mean what you seem to think it means.
I haven’t seen the language in the APress contract, but I suspect it says something to the effect that you grant them the exclusive right to publish, distribute, and sell (etc.
) the book for the duration of the copyright.
If this is so, the ONLY thing that you get from still owning the copyright is the ability to reacquire the rights in the event APress goes out of business.So while we can't know without seeing the author's contract, it's reasonable to assume that what alain94040 wrote above is closer to the truth than what the author "suspects".
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29774121</id>
	<title>Re:A bad summary makes bad responses</title>
	<author>MtlDty</author>
	<datestamp>1255695180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the summary is laughably wrong, then you might also want to try and fix the <a href="http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:y8CuWLUgkMkJ:beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/+beginning+ruby.org&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us&amp;client=safari" title="74.125.93.132">Google cache</a> [74.125.93.132]. <br>
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To quote your good self : <i>"My reaction to seeing other Apress books getting the free, electronic version treatment is: Im good with you pirating my book! Now, of course, I cant actively participate in pirating my book but, heck, its around on plenty of free e-book sites and on RapidShare. There are even links on Twitter to torrents like this. I am happy for you to pirate my book, but Im NOT A LAWYER, and I cant guarantee what Apress would do about it  so youd be doing it off your own back! So, uhm, dont pirate it?  The only condition, of course, if you do is that if you like the book and you think a print copy would be swell to own, please buy one  even if its just for someone you know who wants to learn to program!"</i> <br>
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Redirecting your page is like closing the barn door once the horse has bolted unfortunately.<br>
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Oh, and congrats on your first child<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</div>
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<tokenext>If the summary is laughably wrong , then you might also want to try and fix the Google cache [ 74.125.93.132 ] .
To quote your good self : " My reaction to seeing other Apress books getting the free , electronic version treatment is : Im good with you pirating my book !
Now , of course , I cant actively participate in pirating my book but , heck , its around on plenty of free e-book sites and on RapidShare .
There are even links on Twitter to torrents like this .
I am happy for you to pirate my book , but Im NOT A LAWYER , and I cant guarantee what Apress would do about it so youd be doing it off your own back !
So , uhm , dont pirate it ?
The only condition , of course , if you do is that if you like the book and you think a print copy would be swell to own , please buy one even if its just for someone you know who wants to learn to program !
" Redirecting your page is like closing the barn door once the horse has bolted unfortunately .
Oh , and congrats on your first child : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the summary is laughably wrong, then you might also want to try and fix the Google cache [74.125.93.132].
To quote your good self : "My reaction to seeing other Apress books getting the free, electronic version treatment is: Im good with you pirating my book!
Now, of course, I cant actively participate in pirating my book but, heck, its around on plenty of free e-book sites and on RapidShare.
There are even links on Twitter to torrents like this.
I am happy for you to pirate my book, but Im NOT A LAWYER, and I cant guarantee what Apress would do about it  so youd be doing it off your own back!
So, uhm, dont pirate it?
The only condition, of course, if you do is that if you like the book and you think a print copy would be swell to own, please buy one  even if its just for someone you know who wants to learn to program!
" 

Redirecting your page is like closing the barn door once the horse has bolted unfortunately.
Oh, and congrats on your first child :)
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	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>ZarathustraDK</author>
	<datestamp>1255684020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For reference - that's 5\%, essentially 5\% profit. In most places in the business world, that would be considered screamingly successful. Doubly so since he's making an ongoing profit for work he did only once and isn't responsible for the ongoing work of marketing and stocking.</p></div><p>In a perfect world he would make 100\% profit based on the merit of his content. Let's make it so kids, contemporary and elderly.<br> <br>

What? Oh, you expected more words before that last dot...not gonna happen, at least not from me.</p></div>
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<tokenext>For reference - that 's 5 \ % , essentially 5 \ % profit .
In most places in the business world , that would be considered screamingly successful .
Doubly so since he 's making an ongoing profit for work he did only once and is n't responsible for the ongoing work of marketing and stocking.In a perfect world he would make 100 \ % profit based on the merit of his content .
Let 's make it so kids , contemporary and elderly .
What ? Oh , you expected more words before that last dot...not gon na happen , at least not from me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For reference - that's 5\%, essentially 5\% profit.
In most places in the business world, that would be considered screamingly successful.
Doubly so since he's making an ongoing profit for work he did only once and isn't responsible for the ongoing work of marketing and stocking.In a perfect world he would make 100\% profit based on the merit of his content.
Let's make it so kids, contemporary and elderly.
What? Oh, you expected more words before that last dot...not gonna happen, at least not from me.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29774135</id>
	<title>Re:A bad summary makes bad responses</title>
	<author>Dan541</author>
	<datestamp>1255695300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>You sir, are a dick head.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You sir , are a dick head .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You sir, are a dick head.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Isn't facinating how...</title>
	<author>aceofspades1217</author>
	<datestamp>1255800120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Programmers who work so much with computers still love hard copies of programming books. Honestly I don't think that will ever change at all. Even with all these fancy e-ink e-book readers programmers still love hard copies and they love their large books. Maybe its just precisely because they work so much with computers that there is something refreshing about reading from a hard copy.</p><p>And yes the OP is right, giving away digital copies is in no way going to diminish the physical book sales. Programmers love e-books for reference like when you have already read the book and need to quickly find one chapter but most programmers can't stand reading an entire programming book on a monitor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Programmers who work so much with computers still love hard copies of programming books .
Honestly I do n't think that will ever change at all .
Even with all these fancy e-ink e-book readers programmers still love hard copies and they love their large books .
Maybe its just precisely because they work so much with computers that there is something refreshing about reading from a hard copy.And yes the OP is right , giving away digital copies is in no way going to diminish the physical book sales .
Programmers love e-books for reference like when you have already read the book and need to quickly find one chapter but most programmers ca n't stand reading an entire programming book on a monitor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Programmers who work so much with computers still love hard copies of programming books.
Honestly I don't think that will ever change at all.
Even with all these fancy e-ink e-book readers programmers still love hard copies and they love their large books.
Maybe its just precisely because they work so much with computers that there is something refreshing about reading from a hard copy.And yes the OP is right, giving away digital copies is in no way going to diminish the physical book sales.
Programmers love e-books for reference like when you have already read the book and need to quickly find one chapter but most programmers can't stand reading an entire programming book on a monitor.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255726080000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Depends upon the terms of the license and whether it covers just sales or sales and distribution, and whether it covers all forms of distribution and derivative works.  I'd recommend he distribute a derivative work online that has excerpts of the printed form.  This would allow people to test the book out before buying a hard copy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends upon the terms of the license and whether it covers just sales or sales and distribution , and whether it covers all forms of distribution and derivative works .
I 'd recommend he distribute a derivative work online that has excerpts of the printed form .
This would allow people to test the book out before buying a hard copy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends upon the terms of the license and whether it covers just sales or sales and distribution, and whether it covers all forms of distribution and derivative works.
I'd recommend he distribute a derivative work online that has excerpts of the printed form.
This would allow people to test the book out before buying a hard copy.</sentencetext>
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	<title>In general, Slashdot is a nasty place...</title>
	<author>herojig</author>
	<datestamp>1255703340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
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	<htmltext>This forum is somewhat unique, in the sense that by reading the posts everyday for several months, I get the impression this is a very nasty place. Slashdot has good pointers to important issues (but not all that original), and the aggregate of comments are conflicting on any given topic. In this case, it seems that there is a general consensus that people oppose organized efforts to enforce copyright on music and movies, but also oppose an individual artist who actually tries to do something about it.  Add the "Care and Feeding" post on almost every thread, and the appearance of a nasty place is enforced. Still, I just gotta vistit here everyday:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>This forum is somewhat unique , in the sense that by reading the posts everyday for several months , I get the impression this is a very nasty place .
Slashdot has good pointers to important issues ( but not all that original ) , and the aggregate of comments are conflicting on any given topic .
In this case , it seems that there is a general consensus that people oppose organized efforts to enforce copyright on music and movies , but also oppose an individual artist who actually tries to do something about it .
Add the " Care and Feeding " post on almost every thread , and the appearance of a nasty place is enforced .
Still , I just got ta vistit here everyday : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This forum is somewhat unique, in the sense that by reading the posts everyday for several months, I get the impression this is a very nasty place.
Slashdot has good pointers to important issues (but not all that original), and the aggregate of comments are conflicting on any given topic.
In this case, it seems that there is a general consensus that people oppose organized efforts to enforce copyright on music and movies, but also oppose an individual artist who actually tries to do something about it.
Add the "Care and Feeding" post on almost every thread, and the appearance of a nasty place is enforced.
Still, I just gotta vistit here everyday:)</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1255797540000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>&gt; Also, why would he use a publisher that gave him only<br>&gt; $2 per sale? You'd think that royalties would be driven<br>&gt; up as competing publishers offer more per sale.<br><br>Your understanding of the book publication market is...  incomplete.<br><br>Approximately two thirds of the people in the world have written a book and would like to have it published.  (Eh, maybe only one third.  Whatever, it's a *lot* of people.)<br><br>Because of the costs of publishing (not so much the printing itself as the promotion and everything), and due to the limited market for books, publishers must select for publication only a fraction of a percent of the manuscripts they receive.  *Most* of the manuscripts received are summarily rejected after a cursory inspection.  Most of the rest are rejected after a more detailed inspection (like, browsing through the whole first chapter).  After that, the remaining ones are the books the publisher thinks they *might* want to publish, so then they start thinking about contacting the author...<br><br>So when talks open the publisher is negotiating from a position of having lots of manuscripts to choose from, and if this one doesn't work out they can reach into a pile of five hundred similar manuscripts and pick out one of the others.  (This is particularly brutal for fiction and popular topics; for Ruby it's probably not quite as bad, but I triple-guarantee you the publisher *can* find another book on Ruby to publish.)  The author, on the other hand, is negotiating from a position of having spent the last two years of his life and most of his life's savings trying to get a publisher to actually look at his book, and now that they're finally looking at it, he has a significant investment (both material and emotional, usually) in seeing it published.  The publisher's investment to this point is limited to the time they spent looking over the manuscript and deciding it might be worth calling the author in.<br><br>So unless the author is a big name with a devoted following (like, you know, Danielle Steel or John Grisham or someone like that), the author has very little leverage and cannot really afford to be choosy about publishers (unless he wants to use a vanity press or just plain self-publish, which is generally not a good way to go in most cases since an author ordinarily doesn't have the kinds of promotional resources that a publisher has).<br><br>Again, there are a few rare exceptions.  If Damian Conway writes a book on Perl, he can negotiate and credibly threaten to go to another publisher, because he's a recognized name in the Perl community and it's a sure thing *someone* will agree to publish his book, on the theory that it will sell well.  The Ruby community probably has a handful of people in this category as well.  But *most* would-be authors of Ruby books (or any kind of books) don't have that kind of recognition or the bargaining power that comes with it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Also , why would he use a publisher that gave him only &gt; $ 2 per sale ?
You 'd think that royalties would be driven &gt; up as competing publishers offer more per sale.Your understanding of the book publication market is... incomplete.Approximately two thirds of the people in the world have written a book and would like to have it published .
( Eh , maybe only one third .
Whatever , it 's a * lot * of people .
) Because of the costs of publishing ( not so much the printing itself as the promotion and everything ) , and due to the limited market for books , publishers must select for publication only a fraction of a percent of the manuscripts they receive .
* Most * of the manuscripts received are summarily rejected after a cursory inspection .
Most of the rest are rejected after a more detailed inspection ( like , browsing through the whole first chapter ) .
After that , the remaining ones are the books the publisher thinks they * might * want to publish , so then they start thinking about contacting the author...So when talks open the publisher is negotiating from a position of having lots of manuscripts to choose from , and if this one does n't work out they can reach into a pile of five hundred similar manuscripts and pick out one of the others .
( This is particularly brutal for fiction and popular topics ; for Ruby it 's probably not quite as bad , but I triple-guarantee you the publisher * can * find another book on Ruby to publish .
) The author , on the other hand , is negotiating from a position of having spent the last two years of his life and most of his life 's savings trying to get a publisher to actually look at his book , and now that they 're finally looking at it , he has a significant investment ( both material and emotional , usually ) in seeing it published .
The publisher 's investment to this point is limited to the time they spent looking over the manuscript and deciding it might be worth calling the author in.So unless the author is a big name with a devoted following ( like , you know , Danielle Steel or John Grisham or someone like that ) , the author has very little leverage and can not really afford to be choosy about publishers ( unless he wants to use a vanity press or just plain self-publish , which is generally not a good way to go in most cases since an author ordinarily does n't have the kinds of promotional resources that a publisher has ) .Again , there are a few rare exceptions .
If Damian Conway writes a book on Perl , he can negotiate and credibly threaten to go to another publisher , because he 's a recognized name in the Perl community and it 's a sure thing * someone * will agree to publish his book , on the theory that it will sell well .
The Ruby community probably has a handful of people in this category as well .
But * most * would-be authors of Ruby books ( or any kind of books ) do n't have that kind of recognition or the bargaining power that comes with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Also, why would he use a publisher that gave him only&gt; $2 per sale?
You'd think that royalties would be driven&gt; up as competing publishers offer more per sale.Your understanding of the book publication market is...  incomplete.Approximately two thirds of the people in the world have written a book and would like to have it published.
(Eh, maybe only one third.
Whatever, it's a *lot* of people.
)Because of the costs of publishing (not so much the printing itself as the promotion and everything), and due to the limited market for books, publishers must select for publication only a fraction of a percent of the manuscripts they receive.
*Most* of the manuscripts received are summarily rejected after a cursory inspection.
Most of the rest are rejected after a more detailed inspection (like, browsing through the whole first chapter).
After that, the remaining ones are the books the publisher thinks they *might* want to publish, so then they start thinking about contacting the author...So when talks open the publisher is negotiating from a position of having lots of manuscripts to choose from, and if this one doesn't work out they can reach into a pile of five hundred similar manuscripts and pick out one of the others.
(This is particularly brutal for fiction and popular topics; for Ruby it's probably not quite as bad, but I triple-guarantee you the publisher *can* find another book on Ruby to publish.
)  The author, on the other hand, is negotiating from a position of having spent the last two years of his life and most of his life's savings trying to get a publisher to actually look at his book, and now that they're finally looking at it, he has a significant investment (both material and emotional, usually) in seeing it published.
The publisher's investment to this point is limited to the time they spent looking over the manuscript and deciding it might be worth calling the author in.So unless the author is a big name with a devoted following (like, you know, Danielle Steel or John Grisham or someone like that), the author has very little leverage and cannot really afford to be choosy about publishers (unless he wants to use a vanity press or just plain self-publish, which is generally not a good way to go in most cases since an author ordinarily doesn't have the kinds of promotional resources that a publisher has).Again, there are a few rare exceptions.
If Damian Conway writes a book on Perl, he can negotiate and credibly threaten to go to another publisher, because he's a recognized name in the Perl community and it's a sure thing *someone* will agree to publish his book, on the theory that it will sell well.
The Ruby community probably has a handful of people in this category as well.
But *most* would-be authors of Ruby books (or any kind of books) don't have that kind of recognition or the bargaining power that comes with it.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>aceofspades1217</author>
	<datestamp>1255801320000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>In economics class they teach us stuff like opportunity cost. Opportunity cost is the cost of an activity measured in the amount of money you could be making if you did something else.</p><p>So for example if you in college the cost of going to college isn't just the tuition its also the 40 or 50k that you could have been making had you not gone to college and worked, so even if you get a scholarship your still technically losing money (although, of course, you make it up in increased wages later on).</p><p>So lets say he could have gotten a 60k job being a journalist (I don't actually know how much they make) and he spend 6 months full time writing this book. Therefore he would have to sell 15,000 books just to break even.</p><p>And btw in most parts of the business world a 5\% margin is atrocious, that is considered absolutely paper thin. About the only people that come anywhere near that margin is a bulk store like costco. My family owns a sports nutrition store and have lower prices than everyone around us but we have had to start cutting out and negotiating with distributors for any products that have lower than a 45\% margin. The thing is we have so many fixed costs like marketing, rent, labor, franchise fees, etc that we need high margins.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In economics class they teach us stuff like opportunity cost .
Opportunity cost is the cost of an activity measured in the amount of money you could be making if you did something else.So for example if you in college the cost of going to college is n't just the tuition its also the 40 or 50k that you could have been making had you not gone to college and worked , so even if you get a scholarship your still technically losing money ( although , of course , you make it up in increased wages later on ) .So lets say he could have gotten a 60k job being a journalist ( I do n't actually know how much they make ) and he spend 6 months full time writing this book .
Therefore he would have to sell 15,000 books just to break even.And btw in most parts of the business world a 5 \ % margin is atrocious , that is considered absolutely paper thin .
About the only people that come anywhere near that margin is a bulk store like costco .
My family owns a sports nutrition store and have lower prices than everyone around us but we have had to start cutting out and negotiating with distributors for any products that have lower than a 45 \ % margin .
The thing is we have so many fixed costs like marketing , rent , labor , franchise fees , etc that we need high margins .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In economics class they teach us stuff like opportunity cost.
Opportunity cost is the cost of an activity measured in the amount of money you could be making if you did something else.So for example if you in college the cost of going to college isn't just the tuition its also the 40 or 50k that you could have been making had you not gone to college and worked, so even if you get a scholarship your still technically losing money (although, of course, you make it up in increased wages later on).So lets say he could have gotten a 60k job being a journalist (I don't actually know how much they make) and he spend 6 months full time writing this book.
Therefore he would have to sell 15,000 books just to break even.And btw in most parts of the business world a 5\% margin is atrocious, that is considered absolutely paper thin.
About the only people that come anywhere near that margin is a bulk store like costco.
My family owns a sports nutrition store and have lower prices than everyone around us but we have had to start cutting out and negotiating with distributors for any products that have lower than a 45\% margin.
The thing is we have so many fixed costs like marketing, rent, labor, franchise fees, etc that we need high margins.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255725480000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Well I suppose the questions are whether there's a legal distinction between licensing the right to copy the book and refusing to sue for infringement, and whether in his exclusive license he retains the right to refuse to sue.
</p><p>It sounds like he's not distributing the book himself and not technically licensing anyone else to do so, but claiming that insofar as he has the right to sue someone or not-sue them for infringement, he won't sue.  It's a minor distinction, but IANAL and I have no idea whether there's anything to that distinction.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well I suppose the questions are whether there 's a legal distinction between licensing the right to copy the book and refusing to sue for infringement , and whether in his exclusive license he retains the right to refuse to sue .
It sounds like he 's not distributing the book himself and not technically licensing anyone else to do so , but claiming that insofar as he has the right to sue someone or not-sue them for infringement , he wo n't sue .
It 's a minor distinction , but IANAL and I have no idea whether there 's anything to that distinction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well I suppose the questions are whether there's a legal distinction between licensing the right to copy the book and refusing to sue for infringement, and whether in his exclusive license he retains the right to refuse to sue.
It sounds like he's not distributing the book himself and not technically licensing anyone else to do so, but claiming that insofar as he has the right to sue someone or not-sue them for infringement, he won't sue.
It's a minor distinction, but IANAL and I have no idea whether there's anything to that distinction.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:A bad summary makes bad responses</title>
	<author>Knacklappen</author>
	<datestamp>1255785300000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Misquote? Read for yourself:
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section "Pirate My Book?":
<br> <i>My reaction to seeing other Apress books getting the free, electronic version treatment is: I&rsquo;m good with you pirating my book! Now, of course, I can&rsquo;t actively participate in pirating my book but, heck, it&rsquo;s around on plenty of &ldquo;free e-book&rdquo; sites and on RapidShare. There are even links on Twitter to torrents like this. I am happy for you to pirate my book, but I&rsquo;m NOT A LAWYER, and I can&rsquo;t guarantee what Apress would do about it &ndash; so you&rsquo;d be doing it off your own back! So, uhm, don&rsquo;t pirate it?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-) The only condition, of course, if you do is that if you like the book and you think a print copy would be swell to own, please buy one &ndash; even if it&rsquo;s just for someone you know who wants to learn to program!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Misquote ?
Read for yourself : http : //74.125.77.132/search ? q = cache : y8CuWLUgkMkJ : beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/ + http : //beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/&amp;cd = 1&amp;hl = en&amp;ct = clnk&amp;client = firefox-a [ 74.125.77.132 ] section " Pirate My Book ?
" : My reaction to seeing other Apress books getting the free , electronic version treatment is : I    m good with you pirating my book !
Now , of course , I can    t actively participate in pirating my book but , heck , it    s around on plenty of    free e-book    sites and on RapidShare .
There are even links on Twitter to torrents like this .
I am happy for you to pirate my book , but I    m NOT A LAWYER , and I can    t guarantee what Apress would do about it    so you    d be doing it off your own back !
So , uhm , don    t pirate it ?
; - ) The only condition , of course , if you do is that if you like the book and you think a print copy would be swell to own , please buy one    even if it    s just for someone you know who wants to learn to program !
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Misquote?
Read for yourself:

http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:y8CuWLUgkMkJ:beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/+http://beginningruby.org/what-ive-earned-and-learned/&amp;cd=1&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;client=firefox-a [74.125.77.132]
 
section "Pirate My Book?
":
 My reaction to seeing other Apress books getting the free, electronic version treatment is: I’m good with you pirating my book!
Now, of course, I can’t actively participate in pirating my book but, heck, it’s around on plenty of “free e-book” sites and on RapidShare.
There are even links on Twitter to torrents like this.
I am happy for you to pirate my book, but I’m NOT A LAWYER, and I can’t guarantee what Apress would do about it – so you’d be doing it off your own back!
So, uhm, don’t pirate it?
;-) The only condition, of course, if you do is that if you like the book and you think a print copy would be swell to own, please buy one – even if it’s just for someone you know who wants to learn to program!
:-)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29772217</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255726200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Also, why would he use a publisher that gave him only $2 per sale? You'd think that royalties would be driven up as competing publishers offer more per sale..</p></div></blockquote><p>What on earth would lead you to think so?  There's only so many sales to be had, and a fairly hard (though rising with inflation over time) cap on what customers will pay for a given class of book - and the publishers revenue comes out of the difference.<br>
&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp; </p><blockquote><div><p>Why doesn't a publisher just offer 40\% royalties or something and annihilate the competition?</p></div></blockquote><p>Because publishers can do math.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , why would he use a publisher that gave him only $ 2 per sale ?
You 'd think that royalties would be driven up as competing publishers offer more per sale..What on earth would lead you to think so ?
There 's only so many sales to be had , and a fairly hard ( though rising with inflation over time ) cap on what customers will pay for a given class of book - and the publishers revenue comes out of the difference .
    Why does n't a publisher just offer 40 \ % royalties or something and annihilate the competition ? Because publishers can do math .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, why would he use a publisher that gave him only $2 per sale?
You'd think that royalties would be driven up as competing publishers offer more per sale..What on earth would lead you to think so?
There's only so many sales to be had, and a fairly hard (though rising with inflation over time) cap on what customers will pay for a given class of book - and the publishers revenue comes out of the difference.
  
  Why doesn't a publisher just offer 40\% royalties or something and annihilate the competition?Because publishers can do math.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29773317</id>
	<title>Re:Weird redirection</title>
	<author>Zumbs</author>
	<datestamp>1255689600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I am<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I tried <a href="http://beginningruby.org/" title="beginningruby.org">http://beginningruby.org</a> [beginningruby.org] with the same result, but check <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1407545&amp;cid=29773247" title="slashdot.org">post above yours</a> [slashdot.org] for the reason why.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am ... I tried http : //beginningruby.org [ beginningruby.org ] with the same result , but check post above yours [ slashdot.org ] for the reason why .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am ... I tried http://beginningruby.org [beginningruby.org] with the same result, but check post above yours [slashdot.org] for the reason why.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29773915</id>
	<title>Re:A bad summary makes bad responses</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255693560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your "solution" is to redirect all slashdot readers elsewhere? Then you're being portrayed accurately here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your " solution " is to redirect all slashdot readers elsewhere ?
Then you 're being portrayed accurately here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your "solution" is to redirect all slashdot readers elsewhere?
Then you're being portrayed accurately here.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29772261</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>nametaken</author>
	<datestamp>1255726440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Clearly this isn't the case, or he was rejected elsewhere.  My guess is that it's standard practice, and that there's a reason for it.  Probably that most of the money on that $40 book gets divided up between printing, distributing and promoting the book... all the labor, risk, fronted cash, etc. of others that goes into that book.  The content of the book is more like a big start on the way to a successful product.</p><p>Otherwise someone else would have done what you mentioned and annihilated all competition.  We're not the first ones to think it up.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>Also note that traditional publishing has not disappeared in the face of self-publishing, on-demand publishing, etc.  There are good reasons for that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly this is n't the case , or he was rejected elsewhere .
My guess is that it 's standard practice , and that there 's a reason for it .
Probably that most of the money on that $ 40 book gets divided up between printing , distributing and promoting the book... all the labor , risk , fronted cash , etc .
of others that goes into that book .
The content of the book is more like a big start on the way to a successful product.Otherwise someone else would have done what you mentioned and annihilated all competition .
We 're not the first ones to think it up .
: ) Also note that traditional publishing has not disappeared in the face of self-publishing , on-demand publishing , etc .
There are good reasons for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly this isn't the case, or he was rejected elsewhere.
My guess is that it's standard practice, and that there's a reason for it.
Probably that most of the money on that $40 book gets divided up between printing, distributing and promoting the book... all the labor, risk, fronted cash, etc.
of others that goes into that book.
The content of the book is more like a big start on the way to a successful product.Otherwise someone else would have done what you mentioned and annihilated all competition.
We're not the first ones to think it up.
:)Also note that traditional publishing has not disappeared in the face of self-publishing, on-demand publishing, etc.
There are good reasons for that.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29772039</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255725240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He's not giving people a license to it (which would conflict with the publisher's exclusive license); he's just promising not to sue.</p><p>Also, why would he use a publisher that gave him only $2 per sale? You'd think that royalties would be driven up as competing publishers offer more per sale.. Why doesn't a publisher just offer 40\% royalties or something and annihilate the competition?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's not giving people a license to it ( which would conflict with the publisher 's exclusive license ) ; he 's just promising not to sue.Also , why would he use a publisher that gave him only $ 2 per sale ?
You 'd think that royalties would be driven up as competing publishers offer more per sale.. Why does n't a publisher just offer 40 \ % royalties or something and annihilate the competition ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's not giving people a license to it (which would conflict with the publisher's exclusive license); he's just promising not to sue.Also, why would he use a publisher that gave him only $2 per sale?
You'd think that royalties would be driven up as competing publishers offer more per sale.. Why doesn't a publisher just offer 40\% royalties or something and annihilate the competition?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29773247</id>
	<title>A bad summary makes bad responses</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255689120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wrote the piece linked here and the summary on Slashdot is laughably wrong. All the cool Hacker News and Reddit people who read the story.. you're awesome and you really added to the discussion and didn't come out with nonsense saying I'm actively encouraging people to break the law (which, if whoever wrote the summary could comprehend English, is not what I said - I raised a potential method of circumvention as a thought experiment.. "I suspect" does not mean "I think you must").</p><p>So if Slashdotters want to be the first to spout nonsense and misquotes on the same day my first kid was born (I'm just getting a few hours sleep after being up a gazillion hours<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)) then congratulations - some of you succeeded admirably. All the traffic to the site is going to somewhere you can donate to a good cause and earn some actual karma.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wrote the piece linked here and the summary on Slashdot is laughably wrong .
All the cool Hacker News and Reddit people who read the story.. you 're awesome and you really added to the discussion and did n't come out with nonsense saying I 'm actively encouraging people to break the law ( which , if whoever wrote the summary could comprehend English , is not what I said - I raised a potential method of circumvention as a thought experiment.. " I suspect " does not mean " I think you must " ) .So if Slashdotters want to be the first to spout nonsense and misquotes on the same day my first kid was born ( I 'm just getting a few hours sleep after being up a gazillion hours ; - ) ) then congratulations - some of you succeeded admirably .
All the traffic to the site is going to somewhere you can donate to a good cause and earn some actual karma .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wrote the piece linked here and the summary on Slashdot is laughably wrong.
All the cool Hacker News and Reddit people who read the story.. you're awesome and you really added to the discussion and didn't come out with nonsense saying I'm actively encouraging people to break the law (which, if whoever wrote the summary could comprehend English, is not what I said - I raised a potential method of circumvention as a thought experiment.. "I suspect" does not mean "I think you must").So if Slashdotters want to be the first to spout nonsense and misquotes on the same day my first kid was born (I'm just getting a few hours sleep after being up a gazillion hours ;-)) then congratulations - some of you succeeded admirably.
All the traffic to the site is going to somewhere you can donate to a good cause and earn some actual karma.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Reason for free e-book</title>
	<author>immakiku</author>
	<datestamp>1255693260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The following comment I'm going to make as someone who's had no experience dealing with publishers or publishing books. But anyway my theory is that to achieve what the author wanted to achieve, he doesn't actually have to offer the free ebook. There's other ways to do it.</p><p>There's a couple of reasons people would want an ebook:</p><ul> <li>They want a reference copy to easily, digitally search through</li><li>They don't like wasting paper / don't want to pay for full printed copy</li></ul><p>Reference copy is easily distributed along with the printed copy (you pay for the book you get access online). And publishers can offer a separate, cheaper price point for just the ebook.</p><p>There's a couple of reasons readers might buy the printed copy after having a free ebooks:</p><ul>
<li>They were reading the free copy to get a feel for what the book is to decide whether to buy the actual work.</li><li>They want a hard copy to read in their hands rather than on some kind of screen.</li></ul><p>If they wanted just a summary, the ebook doesn't have to be a complete copy. It could be like what amazon or google offers, which is a preview of the style of writing, the depth of content, and the table of contents. For most people this should give a sufficient idea whether they want the full book or not.</p><p>If they wanted a hard copy, they should just buy that to begin with instead of downloading an ebook and then buying the hard copy. This overlaps with one of my reasons above.</p><p>So in conclusion, a similar outcome can be achieved by:</p><ul> <li>Offering different packages - $30 hard copy, $15 digital copy, or $40 hard + digital copy.</li><li>Allowing previews of the book siilar in style to Amazon's preview or Google Books preview.</li></ul></htmltext>
<tokenext>The following comment I 'm going to make as someone who 's had no experience dealing with publishers or publishing books .
But anyway my theory is that to achieve what the author wanted to achieve , he does n't actually have to offer the free ebook .
There 's other ways to do it.There 's a couple of reasons people would want an ebook : They want a reference copy to easily , digitally search throughThey do n't like wasting paper / do n't want to pay for full printed copyReference copy is easily distributed along with the printed copy ( you pay for the book you get access online ) .
And publishers can offer a separate , cheaper price point for just the ebook.There 's a couple of reasons readers might buy the printed copy after having a free ebooks : They were reading the free copy to get a feel for what the book is to decide whether to buy the actual work.They want a hard copy to read in their hands rather than on some kind of screen.If they wanted just a summary , the ebook does n't have to be a complete copy .
It could be like what amazon or google offers , which is a preview of the style of writing , the depth of content , and the table of contents .
For most people this should give a sufficient idea whether they want the full book or not.If they wanted a hard copy , they should just buy that to begin with instead of downloading an ebook and then buying the hard copy .
This overlaps with one of my reasons above.So in conclusion , a similar outcome can be achieved by : Offering different packages - $ 30 hard copy , $ 15 digital copy , or $ 40 hard + digital copy.Allowing previews of the book siilar in style to Amazon 's preview or Google Books preview .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The following comment I'm going to make as someone who's had no experience dealing with publishers or publishing books.
But anyway my theory is that to achieve what the author wanted to achieve, he doesn't actually have to offer the free ebook.
There's other ways to do it.There's a couple of reasons people would want an ebook: They want a reference copy to easily, digitally search throughThey don't like wasting paper / don't want to pay for full printed copyReference copy is easily distributed along with the printed copy (you pay for the book you get access online).
And publishers can offer a separate, cheaper price point for just the ebook.There's a couple of reasons readers might buy the printed copy after having a free ebooks:
They were reading the free copy to get a feel for what the book is to decide whether to buy the actual work.They want a hard copy to read in their hands rather than on some kind of screen.If they wanted just a summary, the ebook doesn't have to be a complete copy.
It could be like what amazon or google offers, which is a preview of the style of writing, the depth of content, and the table of contents.
For most people this should give a sufficient idea whether they want the full book or not.If they wanted a hard copy, they should just buy that to begin with instead of downloading an ebook and then buying the hard copy.
This overlaps with one of my reasons above.So in conclusion, a similar outcome can be achieved by: Offering different packages - $30 hard copy, $15 digital copy, or $40 hard + digital copy.Allowing previews of the book siilar in style to Amazon's preview or Google Books preview.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>cjonslashdot</author>
	<datestamp>1255707360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone who has published three books through traditional publishers, and who has many colleagues who have also published, I can tell you that for technical books 5\% is pretty much standard. Actually, it's 10\% of the actual sale price to the publisher, which is usually half of the cover price. The other half is the markup that bookstores and other distributors get. In the technical realm, you would have to be a true superstar to get any terms better than that.</p><p>Also, the posters here who say that the author has given away exclusive rights are probably right: it is standard to do that. Publishers don't care if you retain the copyright because the contract is generally exclusive. Again, exceptions are sometimes made for "superstar" authors.</p><p>Because of these difficulties, I published my fourth book myself. See my thoughts on this at <a href="http://expresswaysolutions.com/valuedrivenit\_com/wiki1/tiki-index.php?page=Living+Book+Concept" title="expresswaysolutions.com" rel="nofollow">http://expresswaysolutions.com/valuedrivenit\_com/wiki1/tiki-index.php?page=Living+Book+Concept</a> [expresswaysolutions.com] </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who has published three books through traditional publishers , and who has many colleagues who have also published , I can tell you that for technical books 5 \ % is pretty much standard .
Actually , it 's 10 \ % of the actual sale price to the publisher , which is usually half of the cover price .
The other half is the markup that bookstores and other distributors get .
In the technical realm , you would have to be a true superstar to get any terms better than that.Also , the posters here who say that the author has given away exclusive rights are probably right : it is standard to do that .
Publishers do n't care if you retain the copyright because the contract is generally exclusive .
Again , exceptions are sometimes made for " superstar " authors.Because of these difficulties , I published my fourth book myself .
See my thoughts on this at http : //expresswaysolutions.com/valuedrivenit \ _com/wiki1/tiki-index.php ? page = Living + Book + Concept [ expresswaysolutions.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who has published three books through traditional publishers, and who has many colleagues who have also published, I can tell you that for technical books 5\% is pretty much standard.
Actually, it's 10\% of the actual sale price to the publisher, which is usually half of the cover price.
The other half is the markup that bookstores and other distributors get.
In the technical realm, you would have to be a true superstar to get any terms better than that.Also, the posters here who say that the author has given away exclusive rights are probably right: it is standard to do that.
Publishers don't care if you retain the copyright because the contract is generally exclusive.
Again, exceptions are sometimes made for "superstar" authors.Because of these difficulties, I published my fourth book myself.
See my thoughts on this at http://expresswaysolutions.com/valuedrivenit\_com/wiki1/tiki-index.php?page=Living+Book+Concept [expresswaysolutions.com] </sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>cpt kangarooski</author>
	<datestamp>1255692300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>He's not giving people a license to it (which would conflict with the publisher's exclusive license); he's just promising not to sue.</i></p><p>The only power a copyright confers is a right to sue. Therefore, a license is nothing more than a promise not to sue. So it appears that he is offering a license.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He 's not giving people a license to it ( which would conflict with the publisher 's exclusive license ) ; he 's just promising not to sue.The only power a copyright confers is a right to sue .
Therefore , a license is nothing more than a promise not to sue .
So it appears that he is offering a license .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He's not giving people a license to it (which would conflict with the publisher's exclusive license); he's just promising not to sue.The only power a copyright confers is a right to sue.
Therefore, a license is nothing more than a promise not to sue.
So it appears that he is offering a license.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1255689900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>He most likely granted the publisher an <b>exclusive license</b>.</p></div><p>He most likely <b>the whole thing!</b></p><p>Is that bad?</p></div>
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<tokenext>He most likely granted the publisher an exclusive license.He most likely the whole thing ! Is that bad ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He most likely granted the publisher an exclusive license.He most likely the whole thing!Is that bad?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29776169</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>stephanruby</author>
	<datestamp>1255811640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why doesn't a publisher just offer 40\% royalties or something and annihilate the competition?</p></div><p>Because the publisher is already selling the book at a 60\% discount to the big bookstores (and 20\% discounts to the small independent bookstores), and in both cases, the publisher is the one who pays for the shipping, the inventory upfront, the production costs, the marketing, and retaking the inventory if any of it gets damaged or returned by the customer (or by the bookseller who purposefully damages the book so it can return it).</p><p>I guess it could offer 40\% royalties to the authors who don't mind having their books not show up on the shelves of Barnes &amp; Noble, Borders, and the rest of the big bookstores, but I doubt many authors would be willing to accept such a deal (by that point, those authors might just as well well self-publish, publish on demand, or just publish their books in an electronic format only). </p></div>
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<tokenext>Why does n't a publisher just offer 40 \ % royalties or something and annihilate the competition ? Because the publisher is already selling the book at a 60 \ % discount to the big bookstores ( and 20 \ % discounts to the small independent bookstores ) , and in both cases , the publisher is the one who pays for the shipping , the inventory upfront , the production costs , the marketing , and retaking the inventory if any of it gets damaged or returned by the customer ( or by the bookseller who purposefully damages the book so it can return it ) .I guess it could offer 40 \ % royalties to the authors who do n't mind having their books not show up on the shelves of Barnes &amp; Noble , Borders , and the rest of the big bookstores , but I doubt many authors would be willing to accept such a deal ( by that point , those authors might just as well well self-publish , publish on demand , or just publish their books in an electronic format only ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why doesn't a publisher just offer 40\% royalties or something and annihilate the competition?Because the publisher is already selling the book at a 60\% discount to the big bookstores (and 20\% discounts to the small independent bookstores), and in both cases, the publisher is the one who pays for the shipping, the inventory upfront, the production costs, the marketing, and retaking the inventory if any of it gets damaged or returned by the customer (or by the bookseller who purposefully damages the book so it can return it).I guess it could offer 40\% royalties to the authors who don't mind having their books not show up on the shelves of Barnes &amp; Noble, Borders, and the rest of the big bookstores, but I doubt many authors would be willing to accept such a deal (by that point, those authors might just as well well self-publish, publish on demand, or just publish their books in an electronic format only). 
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	<title>Re:A bad summary makes bad responses</title>
	<author>mea37</author>
	<datestamp>1255690920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"<i>All the traffic to the site is going to somewhere you can donate to a good cause and earn some actual karma.</i>"</p><p>Uh, yeah... and so now those of us who read the nonsense comments and thought "I'd like to see for myself what he really said" can't actually get to your original blog post.</p><p>Well played, genius boy.</p><p>Can't speak for anyone else, of course, but as for me... when someone hides his original words I'm not inclined to trust his claim that they were misrepresented.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" All the traffic to the site is going to somewhere you can donate to a good cause and earn some actual karma .
" Uh , yeah... and so now those of us who read the nonsense comments and thought " I 'd like to see for myself what he really said " ca n't actually get to your original blog post.Well played , genius boy.Ca n't speak for anyone else , of course , but as for me... when someone hides his original words I 'm not inclined to trust his claim that they were misrepresented .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"All the traffic to the site is going to somewhere you can donate to a good cause and earn some actual karma.
"Uh, yeah... and so now those of us who read the nonsense comments and thought "I'd like to see for myself what he really said" can't actually get to your original blog post.Well played, genius boy.Can't speak for anyone else, of course, but as for me... when someone hides his original words I'm not inclined to trust his claim that they were misrepresented.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Inexpensive Selling Hellokitty  kid Sunglasses in</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255876680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Http://www.tntshoes.com<br>(1)We accept paypal.<br>(2)We supply all brand shoes, clothing, fashion accessory and electronic products. Sneakers, tshirts, jeans, hats, mobile,MP4<br>(3)Shipping time: 5-7 working days.<br>Size : 7 7 1/2 7 1/4 7 3/8 7 5/8<br>Assortment :<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Payment : T/T, PAYPAL, Money Gram<br>Shipment : EMS,DHL,UPS,SODEX,FED. Which carrier we used just depends on customer? order quantity.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; OUR WEBSITE:<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; YAHOO:shoppertrade@yahoo.com.cn</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; MSN:shoppertrade@hotmail.com</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; HTTP://www.tntshoes.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Http : //www.tntshoes.com ( 1 ) We accept paypal .
( 2 ) We supply all brand shoes , clothing , fashion accessory and electronic products .
Sneakers , tshirts , jeans , hats , mobile,MP4 ( 3 ) Shipping time : 5-7 working days.Size : 7 7 1/2 7 1/4 7 3/8 7 5/8Assortment :       Payment : T/T , PAYPAL , Money GramShipment : EMS,DHL,UPS,SODEX,FED .
Which carrier we used just depends on customer ?
order quantity .
      OUR WEBSITE :                                                       YAHOO : shoppertrade @ yahoo.com.cn                                                                 MSN : shoppertrade @ hotmail.com                                                                               HTTP : //www.tntshoes.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Http://www.tntshoes.com(1)We accept paypal.
(2)We supply all brand shoes, clothing, fashion accessory and electronic products.
Sneakers, tshirts, jeans, hats, mobile,MP4(3)Shipping time: 5-7 working days.Size : 7 7 1/2 7 1/4 7 3/8 7 5/8Assortment :
      Payment : T/T, PAYPAL, Money GramShipment : EMS,DHL,UPS,SODEX,FED.
Which carrier we used just depends on customer?
order quantity.
      OUR WEBSITE:
                                                      YAHOO:shoppertrade@yahoo.com.cn
                                                                MSN:shoppertrade@hotmail.com
                                                                              HTTP://www.tntshoes.com</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29774037</id>
	<title>Re:I don't think so...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255694340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>AFAIL, IANAL, but you need to add some kind of artistic value to get copyright.  If an editor simply does spell checking &amp; grammar corrections, then there's no new copyright possible.  If they are better editors &amp; offer more complex changes, there still might not be any additional copyright owners based on how the contract was written (typically I imagine that editors simply get a flat fee with no copyright assigned to them).</p><p>Similar to how when you code for your employer anything you write has copyright assigned to your employer, not you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>AFAIL , IANAL , but you need to add some kind of artistic value to get copyright .
If an editor simply does spell checking &amp; grammar corrections , then there 's no new copyright possible .
If they are better editors &amp; offer more complex changes , there still might not be any additional copyright owners based on how the contract was written ( typically I imagine that editors simply get a flat fee with no copyright assigned to them ) .Similar to how when you code for your employer anything you write has copyright assigned to your employer , not you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>AFAIL, IANAL, but you need to add some kind of artistic value to get copyright.
If an editor simply does spell checking &amp; grammar corrections, then there's no new copyright possible.
If they are better editors &amp; offer more complex changes, there still might not be any additional copyright owners based on how the contract was written (typically I imagine that editors simply get a flat fee with no copyright assigned to them).Similar to how when you code for your employer anything you write has copyright assigned to your employer, not you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29773655</id>
	<title>BeginningRuby.org being redirected.</title>
	<author>MacTechnic</author>
	<datestamp>1255691940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I visited the site <a href="http://beginningruby.org/" title="beginningruby.org" rel="nofollow">http://beginningruby.org/</a> [beginningruby.org] as well and was redirected to <a href="http://www.cancer.org/docroot/don/don\_0.asp" title="cancer.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.cancer.org/docroot/don/don\_0.asp</a> [cancer.org].  I suspected someone has hacked the domain name or web site and redirecting to the cancer.org.  You can view the original content by googling the site and checking the cached content.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I visited the site http : //beginningruby.org/ [ beginningruby.org ] as well and was redirected to http : //www.cancer.org/docroot/don/don \ _0.asp [ cancer.org ] .
I suspected someone has hacked the domain name or web site and redirecting to the cancer.org .
You can view the original content by googling the site and checking the cached content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I visited the site http://beginningruby.org/ [beginningruby.org] as well and was redirected to http://www.cancer.org/docroot/don/don\_0.asp [cancer.org].
I suspected someone has hacked the domain name or web site and redirecting to the cancer.org.
You can view the original content by googling the site and checking the cached content.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29775127</id>
	<title>Re:A bad summary makes bad responses</title>
	<author>davecb</author>
	<datestamp>1255705380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually this is very similar to what O'Reilly did with Using Samba, and it was very successful.

</p><p>I'm surprised some of the more au courant slashdotters's didn't notice (;-))

</p><p>Drop me a line and we can compare notes.

</p><p>--dave</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually this is very similar to what O'Reilly did with Using Samba , and it was very successful .
I 'm surprised some of the more au courant slashdotters 's did n't notice ( ; - ) ) Drop me a line and we can compare notes .
--dave</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually this is very similar to what O'Reilly did with Using Samba, and it was very successful.
I'm surprised some of the more au courant slashdotters's didn't notice (;-))

Drop me a line and we can compare notes.
--dave</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1730246.29772545</id>
	<title>Risk</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255684980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Publishers that offer higher rates of royalties tend to do either less promotion or only take on authors who they know have a good record of producing popular books. You'd expect Stephen King for instance to be able to negotiate a better deal than John Smith on his debut novel.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Publishers that offer higher rates of royalties tend to do either less promotion or only take on authors who they know have a good record of producing popular books .
You 'd expect Stephen King for instance to be able to negotiate a better deal than John Smith on his debut novel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Publishers that offer higher rates of royalties tend to do either less promotion or only take on authors who they know have a good record of producing popular books.
You'd expect Stephen King for instance to be able to negotiate a better deal than John Smith on his debut novel.</sentencetext>
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