<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_16_1720224</id>
	<title>HTC Dragging Feet On GPL Source Release For "Hero" Phone</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1255718700000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Squiff writes to mention that despite being based on the Open Handset Alliance's Android platform and using several open source components, HTC are effectively refusing to release the source for the GPL parts of their "Hero" Phone code, saying that they are "<a href="http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=569288&amp;page=3">waiting for their developers to provide it</a>."  It has been called an "<a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/23/htc-hero-review/">object of lust</a>," it's <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1220535/HTC-Hero-beats-Apple-iPhone-T3-Gadget-Awards.html">beating the iPhone for awards</a>, and it seems to be the first Android phone that really is "the phone to have," to hear some people tell it. It has also just become available in the US after a June release in Europe.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Squiff writes to mention that despite being based on the Open Handset Alliance 's Android platform and using several open source components , HTC are effectively refusing to release the source for the GPL parts of their " Hero " Phone code , saying that they are " waiting for their developers to provide it .
" It has been called an " object of lust , " it 's beating the iPhone for awards , and it seems to be the first Android phone that really is " the phone to have , " to hear some people tell it .
It has also just become available in the US after a June release in Europe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Squiff writes to mention that despite being based on the Open Handset Alliance's Android platform and using several open source components, HTC are effectively refusing to release the source for the GPL parts of their "Hero" Phone code, saying that they are "waiting for their developers to provide it.
"  It has been called an "object of lust," it's beating the iPhone for awards, and it seems to be the first Android phone that really is "the phone to have," to hear some people tell it.
It has also just become available in the US after a June release in Europe.</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29772803</id>
	<title>Samsung Moment</title>
	<author>Damage Ctrl</author>
	<datestamp>1255686300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The <a href="http://phandroid.com/2009/10/15/samsung-moment-video-and-pics-from-ctia/" title="phandroid.com" rel="nofollow">Samsung Moment</a> [phandroid.com] looks promising. It's coming to Sprint on Nov. 1 and has an 800 MHz processor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Samsung Moment [ phandroid.com ] looks promising .
It 's coming to Sprint on Nov. 1 and has an 800 MHz processor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Samsung Moment [phandroid.com] looks promising.
It's coming to Sprint on Nov. 1 and has an 800 MHz processor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771743</id>
	<title>Definition of lust?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255723620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FTA: Going into the review, we desperately wanted to love this phone, but given the combination of a few poor hardware choices and an OS which outclasses the device it runs on, we can only recommend that you enter at your own risk.</p><p>That sounds completely different then my definition of lust.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FTA : Going into the review , we desperately wanted to love this phone , but given the combination of a few poor hardware choices and an OS which outclasses the device it runs on , we can only recommend that you enter at your own risk.That sounds completely different then my definition of lust .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTA: Going into the review, we desperately wanted to love this phone, but given the combination of a few poor hardware choices and an OS which outclasses the device it runs on, we can only recommend that you enter at your own risk.That sounds completely different then my definition of lust.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29776703</id>
	<title>Re:Object of Lust?</title>
	<author>on the 8ball</author>
	<datestamp>1255784160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For what it is worth, I just got my Hero on Thursday and I love it. I've been on Qwest wireless in Minnesota for years with a very old phone. They are ending their wireless service Oct 31st and forcing everyone to move to Verizon (for whom they are now a reseller/partner), or jump ship to another carrier. I stalled as long as I could to see if Verizon would come out with a phone I liked, since their coverage and service is excellent locally. But they didn't, and when the HTC Hero was released by Sprint on Oct 11th, I ordered one. Thought about the iPhone but I hate AT&amp;T and also don't really like the "our way or the highway" mentality of Apple, much prefer an open platform. Also AT&amp;T seems to be struggling to handle the network traffic and has a lousy service rating locally. I depend on my phone for business use (work from home), so network reliability is critical to me.</p><p>From my experience so far, it is not laggy at all, not instantaneous but very acceptable speed when launching apps and running them. There is an "app killer" app that you can download that shows which apps are running and lets you end them. Avoid CPU hogging programs (twitter is one).</p><p>The screen shuts off in 30 seconds by default, but there is a setting for that and you can even set it to stay on all the time if you don't care about battery life. The UI works fine and is quite intuitive, I got used to it fast. The keyboard is pretty good considering the small space (works better in landscape mode), and the word completion/correction is excellent. The camera is high res and easy to use, with auto-focus. No flash though. This phone comes with a lot of features, WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS, SprintTV, email, web browser, and thousands of free apps on the Android marketplace.</p><p>For more evaluations and critiques, look up "HTC Hero" in YouTube, there are a number of good videos that show it off. The CNet one is good, also MobilityToday.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For what it is worth , I just got my Hero on Thursday and I love it .
I 've been on Qwest wireless in Minnesota for years with a very old phone .
They are ending their wireless service Oct 31st and forcing everyone to move to Verizon ( for whom they are now a reseller/partner ) , or jump ship to another carrier .
I stalled as long as I could to see if Verizon would come out with a phone I liked , since their coverage and service is excellent locally .
But they did n't , and when the HTC Hero was released by Sprint on Oct 11th , I ordered one .
Thought about the iPhone but I hate AT&amp;T and also do n't really like the " our way or the highway " mentality of Apple , much prefer an open platform .
Also AT&amp;T seems to be struggling to handle the network traffic and has a lousy service rating locally .
I depend on my phone for business use ( work from home ) , so network reliability is critical to me.From my experience so far , it is not laggy at all , not instantaneous but very acceptable speed when launching apps and running them .
There is an " app killer " app that you can download that shows which apps are running and lets you end them .
Avoid CPU hogging programs ( twitter is one ) .The screen shuts off in 30 seconds by default , but there is a setting for that and you can even set it to stay on all the time if you do n't care about battery life .
The UI works fine and is quite intuitive , I got used to it fast .
The keyboard is pretty good considering the small space ( works better in landscape mode ) , and the word completion/correction is excellent .
The camera is high res and easy to use , with auto-focus .
No flash though .
This phone comes with a lot of features , WiFi , Bluetooth , GPS , SprintTV , email , web browser , and thousands of free apps on the Android marketplace.For more evaluations and critiques , look up " HTC Hero " in YouTube , there are a number of good videos that show it off .
The CNet one is good , also MobilityToday .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For what it is worth, I just got my Hero on Thursday and I love it.
I've been on Qwest wireless in Minnesota for years with a very old phone.
They are ending their wireless service Oct 31st and forcing everyone to move to Verizon (for whom they are now a reseller/partner), or jump ship to another carrier.
I stalled as long as I could to see if Verizon would come out with a phone I liked, since their coverage and service is excellent locally.
But they didn't, and when the HTC Hero was released by Sprint on Oct 11th, I ordered one.
Thought about the iPhone but I hate AT&amp;T and also don't really like the "our way or the highway" mentality of Apple, much prefer an open platform.
Also AT&amp;T seems to be struggling to handle the network traffic and has a lousy service rating locally.
I depend on my phone for business use (work from home), so network reliability is critical to me.From my experience so far, it is not laggy at all, not instantaneous but very acceptable speed when launching apps and running them.
There is an "app killer" app that you can download that shows which apps are running and lets you end them.
Avoid CPU hogging programs (twitter is one).The screen shuts off in 30 seconds by default, but there is a setting for that and you can even set it to stay on all the time if you don't care about battery life.
The UI works fine and is quite intuitive, I got used to it fast.
The keyboard is pretty good considering the small space (works better in landscape mode), and the word completion/correction is excellent.
The camera is high res and easy to use, with auto-focus.
No flash though.
This phone comes with a lot of features, WiFi, Bluetooth, GPS, SprintTV, email, web browser, and thousands of free apps on the Android marketplace.For more evaluations and critiques, look up "HTC Hero" in YouTube, there are a number of good videos that show it off.
The CNet one is good, also MobilityToday.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29797027</id>
	<title>Re:Waiting for the Acer A1 phone</title>
	<author>destiney</author>
	<datestamp>1255978740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The Hero is nice and all but, like other Android phones, it doesn't have the processing power.</i></p><p>Works great for me.  Games seem to run fine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Hero is nice and all but , like other Android phones , it does n't have the processing power.Works great for me .
Games seem to run fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Hero is nice and all but, like other Android phones, it doesn't have the processing power.Works great for me.
Games seem to run fine.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771649</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29772045</id>
	<title>Re:So what? The GPL is a copyright license</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255725240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Slashdot, despite persistent rumors to the contrary, has more than one person commenting on articles. While not scientifically established as fact, it seems likely that those separate entities could have diverging opinion on copyright.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Slashdot , despite persistent rumors to the contrary , has more than one person commenting on articles .
While not scientifically established as fact , it seems likely that those separate entities could have diverging opinion on copyright .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slashdot, despite persistent rumors to the contrary, has more than one person commenting on articles.
While not scientifically established as fact, it seems likely that those separate entities could have diverging opinion on copyright.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771799</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771863</id>
	<title>Re:iPhone killer?</title>
	<author>sexconker</author>
	<datestamp>1255724400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wake <i>me</i> up when the iPhone has the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wake me up when the iPhone has the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wake me up when the iPhone has the same.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771537</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29773307</id>
	<title>Re:Nice excuse</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1255689540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Yes, your honor, we had the source code to give to the compiler to produce the binaries, but we couldn't give the source code to the user because we weren't done with it yet."</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Yes , your honor , we had the source code to give to the compiler to produce the binaries , but we could n't give the source code to the user because we were n't done with it yet .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Yes, your honor, we had the source code to give to the compiler to produce the binaries, but we couldn't give the source code to the user because we weren't done with it yet.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771551</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771799</id>
	<title>So what?  The GPL is a copyright license</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255724100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Slashdot is so opposed to copyrights all the time, but then a GPL article comes up, and suddenly they're in favor of them again.  The GPL is a copyright license that, according to the FSF website, "assures copyright over the software."</p><p>You can't be opposed to copyrights all the time and encouraging piracy but then turn around and bash people for violating your precious GPL copyright license.  Choose a position and stick with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Slashdot is so opposed to copyrights all the time , but then a GPL article comes up , and suddenly they 're in favor of them again .
The GPL is a copyright license that , according to the FSF website , " assures copyright over the software .
" You ca n't be opposed to copyrights all the time and encouraging piracy but then turn around and bash people for violating your precious GPL copyright license .
Choose a position and stick with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slashdot is so opposed to copyrights all the time, but then a GPL article comes up, and suddenly they're in favor of them again.
The GPL is a copyright license that, according to the FSF website, "assures copyright over the software.
"You can't be opposed to copyrights all the time and encouraging piracy but then turn around and bash people for violating your precious GPL copyright license.
Choose a position and stick with it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771555</id>
	<title>Kill them!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255722540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>HTC is the Sony of mobile phones. Cool features, but crap quality.</p><p>If they're not willing to share their (OUR) source, I wouldn't be at all upset if they got the legal bat to the side of their corporate head.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>HTC is the Sony of mobile phones .
Cool features , but crap quality.If they 're not willing to share their ( OUR ) source , I would n't be at all upset if they got the legal bat to the side of their corporate head .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HTC is the Sony of mobile phones.
Cool features, but crap quality.If they're not willing to share their (OUR) source, I wouldn't be at all upset if they got the legal bat to the side of their corporate head.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29772063</id>
	<title>Re:Kill them!</title>
	<author>poetmatt</author>
	<datestamp>1255725360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think that's true of all phones, not just HTC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that 's true of all phones , not just HTC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that's true of all phones, not just HTC.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771555</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771927</id>
	<title>Is the HTC Hero already out?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255724640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I though they only have to provide the source to those they provided the binary? Do they already sell the phone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I though they only have to provide the source to those they provided the binary ?
Do they already sell the phone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I though they only have to provide the source to those they provided the binary?
Do they already sell the phone?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771649</id>
	<title>Waiting for the Acer A1 phone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255723020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Hero is nice and all but, like other Android phones, it doesn't have the processing power.  The Acer A1 looks like it will be coming with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 1GHz processor and Android 1.6.  Now if it would just be carried by someone other than T-Mobile in the states I would be happy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Hero is nice and all but , like other Android phones , it does n't have the processing power .
The Acer A1 looks like it will be coming with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 1GHz processor and Android 1.6 .
Now if it would just be carried by someone other than T-Mobile in the states I would be happy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Hero is nice and all but, like other Android phones, it doesn't have the processing power.
The Acer A1 looks like it will be coming with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 1GHz processor and Android 1.6.
Now if it would just be carried by someone other than T-Mobile in the states I would be happy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29773929</id>
	<title>Re:Waiting for the Acer A1 phone</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1255693680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The Hero is nice and all but, like other Android phones, it doesn't have the processing power.</p></div><p>What non-Android phones have significantly higher processing power? iPhone is also an ARM device, and runs at 600MHz. I've yet to hear about any mobile device with a 1GHz CPU in production. So far, 400-600MHz seems to be pretty normal between all smartphone platforms.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Hero is nice and all but , like other Android phones , it does n't have the processing power.What non-Android phones have significantly higher processing power ?
iPhone is also an ARM device , and runs at 600MHz .
I 've yet to hear about any mobile device with a 1GHz CPU in production .
So far , 400-600MHz seems to be pretty normal between all smartphone platforms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Hero is nice and all but, like other Android phones, it doesn't have the processing power.What non-Android phones have significantly higher processing power?
iPhone is also an ARM device, and runs at 600MHz.
I've yet to hear about any mobile device with a 1GHz CPU in production.
So far, 400-600MHz seems to be pretty normal between all smartphone platforms.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771649</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29773019</id>
	<title>Re:So what? The GPL is a copyright license</title>
	<author>init100</author>
	<datestamp>1255687560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you a troll, or are you just extremely stupid?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you a troll , or are you just extremely stupid ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you a troll, or are you just extremely stupid?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771799</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771861</id>
	<title>Re:Kill them!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255724400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>HTC is the Sony of mobile phones. Cool features, but crap quality.</p></div><p>Sorry, but I consider my trusty G1 to be of fairly nifty quality, if I do say so myself.</p><p>And comparing HTC to Sony?  When did HTC start installing rootkits when you plug their phones into computers?  When did they collude with others to strongarm a proprietary, incompatible "standard" into the market (no, their goofy USBext cable doesn't count, as that's perfectly compatible with mini-USB cables)?  Do they routinely treat their customers like criminals?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>HTC is the Sony of mobile phones .
Cool features , but crap quality.Sorry , but I consider my trusty G1 to be of fairly nifty quality , if I do say so myself.And comparing HTC to Sony ?
When did HTC start installing rootkits when you plug their phones into computers ?
When did they collude with others to strongarm a proprietary , incompatible " standard " into the market ( no , their goofy USBext cable does n't count , as that 's perfectly compatible with mini-USB cables ) ?
Do they routinely treat their customers like criminals ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HTC is the Sony of mobile phones.
Cool features, but crap quality.Sorry, but I consider my trusty G1 to be of fairly nifty quality, if I do say so myself.And comparing HTC to Sony?
When did HTC start installing rootkits when you plug their phones into computers?
When did they collude with others to strongarm a proprietary, incompatible "standard" into the market (no, their goofy USBext cable doesn't count, as that's perfectly compatible with mini-USB cables)?
Do they routinely treat their customers like criminals?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771555</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29772755</id>
	<title>Re:Definition of lust?</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1255686120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you been to a whore house?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you been to a whore house ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you been to a whore house?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771743</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771997</id>
	<title>Motorola Cliq</title>
	<author>Nicolay77</author>
	<datestamp>1255725060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The upcoming Motorola Cliq seems way better than this one, specially (at least to me) because of the keyboard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The upcoming Motorola Cliq seems way better than this one , specially ( at least to me ) because of the keyboard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The upcoming Motorola Cliq seems way better than this one, specially (at least to me) because of the keyboard.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29772473</id>
	<title>Another way to pressure</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255684560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ask for a refund of the phone. You are entitled to a phone that does not have illegally obtained software on it. By failing to comply with the license agreements, the phone is illegal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ask for a refund of the phone .
You are entitled to a phone that does not have illegally obtained software on it .
By failing to comply with the license agreements , the phone is illegal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ask for a refund of the phone.
You are entitled to a phone that does not have illegally obtained software on it.
By failing to comply with the license agreements, the phone is illegal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29772999</id>
	<title>Re:Is the HTC Hero already out?</title>
	<author>noundi</author>
	<datestamp>1255687500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I though they only have to provide the source to those they provided the binary? Do they already sell the phone?</p></div><p>That's right, and the second they release the source to the first person it's going to hit the net -- hard.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I though they only have to provide the source to those they provided the binary ?
Do they already sell the phone ? That 's right , and the second they release the source to the first person it 's going to hit the net -- hard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I though they only have to provide the source to those they provided the binary?
Do they already sell the phone?That's right, and the second they release the source to the first person it's going to hit the net -- hard.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29774471</id>
	<title>Re:Waiting for the Acer A1 phone</title>
	<author>Ash Vince</author>
	<datestamp>1255698300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The Hero is nice and all but, like other Android phones, it doesn't have the processing power. The Acer A1 looks like it will be coming with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 1GHz processor and Android 1.6. Now if it would just be carried by someone other than T-Mobile in the states I would be happy.</p></div><p>ok it has low spec processor, but its a phone so who cares as it does not need to do much. I have had mine a week and its great, the lag issues other people have complained about were obviously fixed by the latest update as I have never had any complaints in this regard, not like my old Windows Mobile piece of junk, now that was laggy. The way sense ui or whatever works is great.</p><p>My only criticism is the onscreen keyboard input, but now I have got used to that. The trick seems to be completely ignoring what actual letter you hit, and just finishing the word you wanted to type anyway and letting the phone sort it out, it almost always does. It does take some time to get used to not correcting every mistyped letter but when you do you realise how good the autocorrect really is.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Hero is nice and all but , like other Android phones , it does n't have the processing power .
The Acer A1 looks like it will be coming with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 1GHz processor and Android 1.6 .
Now if it would just be carried by someone other than T-Mobile in the states I would be happy.ok it has low spec processor , but its a phone so who cares as it does not need to do much .
I have had mine a week and its great , the lag issues other people have complained about were obviously fixed by the latest update as I have never had any complaints in this regard , not like my old Windows Mobile piece of junk , now that was laggy .
The way sense ui or whatever works is great.My only criticism is the onscreen keyboard input , but now I have got used to that .
The trick seems to be completely ignoring what actual letter you hit , and just finishing the word you wanted to type anyway and letting the phone sort it out , it almost always does .
It does take some time to get used to not correcting every mistyped letter but when you do you realise how good the autocorrect really is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Hero is nice and all but, like other Android phones, it doesn't have the processing power.
The Acer A1 looks like it will be coming with a Qualcomm Snapdragon 1GHz processor and Android 1.6.
Now if it would just be carried by someone other than T-Mobile in the states I would be happy.ok it has low spec processor, but its a phone so who cares as it does not need to do much.
I have had mine a week and its great, the lag issues other people have complained about were obviously fixed by the latest update as I have never had any complaints in this regard, not like my old Windows Mobile piece of junk, now that was laggy.
The way sense ui or whatever works is great.My only criticism is the onscreen keyboard input, but now I have got used to that.
The trick seems to be completely ignoring what actual letter you hit, and just finishing the word you wanted to type anyway and letting the phone sort it out, it almost always does.
It does take some time to get used to not correcting every mistyped letter but when you do you realise how good the autocorrect really is.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29776635</id>
	<title>Re:Waiting for the Acer A1 phone</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1255782720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Besides that Android has a load of optimization possibilities left, the latest hero rom update showed it that most android phone still running on subpar speed of what is possible.<br>Android 1.6 probably helps a lot as well as having a decent swap capability etc... there is a load of optimization room. Someone posted a video of a manually optimized hero in here, and that thing was running faster than the iphone which has a stronger processor and a dedicated 3d prozessor. This is amazing given the fact that most android software is writtin in java and huge parts of the API layer as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Besides that Android has a load of optimization possibilities left , the latest hero rom update showed it that most android phone still running on subpar speed of what is possible.Android 1.6 probably helps a lot as well as having a decent swap capability etc... there is a load of optimization room .
Someone posted a video of a manually optimized hero in here , and that thing was running faster than the iphone which has a stronger processor and a dedicated 3d prozessor .
This is amazing given the fact that most android software is writtin in java and huge parts of the API layer as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Besides that Android has a load of optimization possibilities left, the latest hero rom update showed it that most android phone still running on subpar speed of what is possible.Android 1.6 probably helps a lot as well as having a decent swap capability etc... there is a load of optimization room.
Someone posted a video of a manually optimized hero in here, and that thing was running faster than the iphone which has a stronger processor and a dedicated 3d prozessor.
This is amazing given the fact that most android software is writtin in java and huge parts of the API layer as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29775025</id>
	<title>Re:I sent them a dozen roses and said "please..."</title>
	<author>countach</author>
	<datestamp>1255703940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not unlikely that $random\_slashdotter actually contributed a few lines to the Linux kernel and thus is legally positioned to ask HTC to cough up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not unlikely that $ random \ _slashdotter actually contributed a few lines to the Linux kernel and thus is legally positioned to ask HTC to cough up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not unlikely that $random\_slashdotter actually contributed a few lines to the Linux kernel and thus is legally positioned to ask HTC to cough up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771553</id>
	<title>I emailed them...</title>
	<author>brainiac ghost1991</author>
	<datestamp>1255722480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I sent a message to HTC and got this response:<p><div class="quote"><p>Dear Sir,

I have sent a communication to our head office to have this source code released on the developer website. It will be available soon at developer.htc.com.

We will work to release this as soon as possible.

Best Regards,
HTC Europe Customer Care</p></div><p>However, this isn't really good enough. Let's hope that the combined might of slashdot will be able to sort it out!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I sent a message to HTC and got this response : Dear Sir , I have sent a communication to our head office to have this source code released on the developer website .
It will be available soon at developer.htc.com .
We will work to release this as soon as possible .
Best Regards , HTC Europe Customer CareHowever , this is n't really good enough .
Let 's hope that the combined might of slashdot will be able to sort it out !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I sent a message to HTC and got this response:Dear Sir,

I have sent a communication to our head office to have this source code released on the developer website.
It will be available soon at developer.htc.com.
We will work to release this as soon as possible.
Best Regards,
HTC Europe Customer CareHowever, this isn't really good enough.
Let's hope that the combined might of slashdot will be able to sort it out!
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29776697</id>
	<title>Re:Nice excuse</title>
	<author>sam0vi</author>
	<datestamp>1255784100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is like the worst excuse ever. How can they release a software product and not have the source code?? It's not like you can compile flow charts into usable software before you finish writing the code. If the code compiles fine, it's just a matter of publishing it (you don't even have to make it pretty). Any takes on the matter?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is like the worst excuse ever .
How can they release a software product and not have the source code ? ?
It 's not like you can compile flow charts into usable software before you finish writing the code .
If the code compiles fine , it 's just a matter of publishing it ( you do n't even have to make it pretty ) .
Any takes on the matter ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is like the worst excuse ever.
How can they release a software product and not have the source code??
It's not like you can compile flow charts into usable software before you finish writing the code.
If the code compiles fine, it's just a matter of publishing it (you don't even have to make it pretty).
Any takes on the matter?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29772007</id>
	<title>I sent them a dozen roses and said "please..."</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255725060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>HTC knows that random email requests from $random\_slashdotter can be safely ignored. Who is it that administers the GPL? The FSF? HTC needs to get a letter from a real lawyer with a known corporate identity. Until then, they will just keep stalling (stalling Stallman? Hahhaa ha ha...)</htmltext>
<tokenext>HTC knows that random email requests from $ random \ _slashdotter can be safely ignored .
Who is it that administers the GPL ?
The FSF ?
HTC needs to get a letter from a real lawyer with a known corporate identity .
Until then , they will just keep stalling ( stalling Stallman ?
Hahhaa ha ha... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>HTC knows that random email requests from $random\_slashdotter can be safely ignored.
Who is it that administers the GPL?
The FSF?
HTC needs to get a letter from a real lawyer with a known corporate identity.
Until then, they will just keep stalling (stalling Stallman?
Hahhaa ha ha...)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29773425</id>
	<title>Re:Waiting for the Acer A1 phone</title>
	<author>Muggy7</author>
	<datestamp>1255690320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>My Hero used to lag every now and then as though the processor was struggling, now entirely fixed after upgrading the ROM to the latest from HTC.  I think most of the reviews out there were based on early laggy version of the Hero software.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My Hero used to lag every now and then as though the processor was struggling , now entirely fixed after upgrading the ROM to the latest from HTC .
I think most of the reviews out there were based on early laggy version of the Hero software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Hero used to lag every now and then as though the processor was struggling, now entirely fixed after upgrading the ROM to the latest from HTC.
I think most of the reviews out there were based on early laggy version of the Hero software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771915</id>
	<title>Wrongish link</title>
	<author>Brian Gordon</author>
	<datestamp>1255724580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's actually <a href="http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=569288&amp;page=4" title="xda-developers.com">page 4</a> [xda-developers.com] with the relevant posts</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's actually page 4 [ xda-developers.com ] with the relevant posts</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's actually page 4 [xda-developers.com] with the relevant posts</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771883</id>
	<title>Ever tried to get the Linux source from CheckPoint</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255724460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you ever tried to get the source for the Linux kernel from CheckPoint for their NGX/Splat firewall?  They basically told me they don't do that.  After some digging they have a very old version of source available but it is very old and not up to date so it is useless.  I was trying to get it to help troubleshoot a driver problem.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever tried to get the source for the Linux kernel from CheckPoint for their NGX/Splat firewall ?
They basically told me they do n't do that .
After some digging they have a very old version of source available but it is very old and not up to date so it is useless .
I was trying to get it to help troubleshoot a driver problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you ever tried to get the source for the Linux kernel from CheckPoint for their NGX/Splat firewall?
They basically told me they don't do that.
After some digging they have a very old version of source available but it is very old and not up to date so it is useless.
I was trying to get it to help troubleshoot a driver problem.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29786135</id>
	<title>Re:Kill them!</title>
	<author>Zaiff Urgulbunger</author>
	<datestamp>1255897500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the same way that BadAnalogyGuy is the bad analogy of the bad analogy world?!</htmltext>
<tokenext>In the same way that BadAnalogyGuy is the bad analogy of the bad analogy world ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the same way that BadAnalogyGuy is the bad analogy of the bad analogy world?
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29773303</id>
	<title>Re:Kill them!</title>
	<author>StayFrosty</author>
	<datestamp>1255689540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would be inclined to disagree.  I know this is all anecdotal but I own an HTC Vogue (aka HTC Touch.)  The hardware is terrific but the software (WM) leaves a lot to be desired.  A few months back I was standing on the balcony of my second story apartment when my phone rang.  I pulled the phone from my pocket, but it bumped in to the rail on the way out.  The phone fell at least 20 feet and landed on the concrete sidewalk below.  I went downstairs expecting the phone to be shattered in pieces.  I was not disappointed.  The battery and the phone were laying a few feet apart, the back cover was about 5 feet away and the stylus was hanging out of the main body of the phone.  I put the battery back in, replaced the back cover, pressed the power button and to my amazement the phone turned on.  Everything, including the touchscreen, continue to work to this day as if nothing had ever happened.  The only other phone I have seen that can take that kind of abuse are the old Nokia's that we all fondly remember.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would be inclined to disagree .
I know this is all anecdotal but I own an HTC Vogue ( aka HTC Touch .
) The hardware is terrific but the software ( WM ) leaves a lot to be desired .
A few months back I was standing on the balcony of my second story apartment when my phone rang .
I pulled the phone from my pocket , but it bumped in to the rail on the way out .
The phone fell at least 20 feet and landed on the concrete sidewalk below .
I went downstairs expecting the phone to be shattered in pieces .
I was not disappointed .
The battery and the phone were laying a few feet apart , the back cover was about 5 feet away and the stylus was hanging out of the main body of the phone .
I put the battery back in , replaced the back cover , pressed the power button and to my amazement the phone turned on .
Everything , including the touchscreen , continue to work to this day as if nothing had ever happened .
The only other phone I have seen that can take that kind of abuse are the old Nokia 's that we all fondly remember .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would be inclined to disagree.
I know this is all anecdotal but I own an HTC Vogue (aka HTC Touch.
)  The hardware is terrific but the software (WM) leaves a lot to be desired.
A few months back I was standing on the balcony of my second story apartment when my phone rang.
I pulled the phone from my pocket, but it bumped in to the rail on the way out.
The phone fell at least 20 feet and landed on the concrete sidewalk below.
I went downstairs expecting the phone to be shattered in pieces.
I was not disappointed.
The battery and the phone were laying a few feet apart, the back cover was about 5 feet away and the stylus was hanging out of the main body of the phone.
I put the battery back in, replaced the back cover, pressed the power button and to my amazement the phone turned on.
Everything, including the touchscreen, continue to work to this day as if nothing had ever happened.
The only other phone I have seen that can take that kind of abuse are the old Nokia's that we all fondly remember.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29777319</id>
	<title>Re:Waiting for the Acer A1 phone</title>
	<author>teg</author>
	<datestamp>1255792260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>What non-Android phones have significantly higher processing power? iPhone is also an ARM device, and runs at 600MHz.</i> </p><p>
The iPhone 3GS' CPU is a lot faster than any current Android phone. There is far more to the CPU performance than MHz, and  <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/14/core-values-the-silicon-behind-android/" title="engadget.com">the one in the 3GS is a much newer design</a> [engadget.com]. The one in current Android phones is of the same design as the old generation iPhones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What non-Android phones have significantly higher processing power ?
iPhone is also an ARM device , and runs at 600MHz .
The iPhone 3GS ' CPU is a lot faster than any current Android phone .
There is far more to the CPU performance than MHz , and the one in the 3GS is a much newer design [ engadget.com ] .
The one in current Android phones is of the same design as the old generation iPhones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> What non-Android phones have significantly higher processing power?
iPhone is also an ARM device, and runs at 600MHz.
The iPhone 3GS' CPU is a lot faster than any current Android phone.
There is far more to the CPU performance than MHz, and  the one in the 3GS is a much newer design [engadget.com].
The one in current Android phones is of the same design as the old generation iPhones.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29772767</id>
	<title>Re:iPhone killer?</title>
	<author>noundi</author>
	<datestamp>1255686180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Wake <i>me</i> up when the iPhone has the same.</p></div><p>Wake <i>me</i> up when the iPhone has <i>one</i> of the above.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wake me up when the iPhone has the same.Wake me up when the iPhone has one of the above .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wake me up when the iPhone has the same.Wake me up when the iPhone has one of the above.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29772789</id>
	<title>Re:Nice excuse</title>
	<author>Bogtha</author>
	<datestamp>1255686240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>Too bad that doesn't work.</i> </p></div> </blockquote><p>
Maybe not in this case, but what about if a company outsourced phone manufacturing?  The external company would be the ones making the copies by preinstalling the software onto the phones, and they would be fulfilling the terms of the GPL by providing the source to the phone company.  At this point, the phone company haven't made any copies, they have essentially just bought a shipment of goods.  What compels them to be bound by the terms of the GPL?  Don't you actually have to make copies to be bound by its terms?
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Too bad that does n't work .
Maybe not in this case , but what about if a company outsourced phone manufacturing ?
The external company would be the ones making the copies by preinstalling the software onto the phones , and they would be fulfilling the terms of the GPL by providing the source to the phone company .
At this point , the phone company have n't made any copies , they have essentially just bought a shipment of goods .
What compels them to be bound by the terms of the GPL ?
Do n't you actually have to make copies to be bound by its terms ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Too bad that doesn't work.
Maybe not in this case, but what about if a company outsourced phone manufacturing?
The external company would be the ones making the copies by preinstalling the software onto the phones, and they would be fulfilling the terms of the GPL by providing the source to the phone company.
At this point, the phone company haven't made any copies, they have essentially just bought a shipment of goods.
What compels them to be bound by the terms of the GPL?
Don't you actually have to make copies to be bound by its terms?

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29773225</id>
	<title>Re:Nice excuse</title>
	<author>RightSaidFred99</author>
	<datestamp>1255688940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So... the developer has to release his code before he develops it to license something under GPL?  No.</p><p>
[quote]Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three
    years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your
    cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete
    machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be
    distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium
    customarily used for software interchange; or,[/quote]

</p><p>I'm not too up on GPL, but reading the v2 license what's to stop someone from including an offer for the source valid for at least three years, and then dragging their feet for a year or two on delivering it?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So... the developer has to release his code before he develops it to license something under GPL ?
No . [ quote ] Accompany it with a written offer , valid for at least three years , to give any third party , for a charge no more than your cost of physically performing source distribution , a complete machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code , to be distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium customarily used for software interchange ; or , [ /quote ] I 'm not too up on GPL , but reading the v2 license what 's to stop someone from including an offer for the source valid for at least three years , and then dragging their feet for a year or two on delivering it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So... the developer has to release his code before he develops it to license something under GPL?
No.
[quote]Accompany it with a written offer, valid for at least three
    years, to give any third party, for a charge no more than your
    cost of physically performing source distribution, a complete
    machine-readable copy of the corresponding source code, to be
    distributed under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above on a medium
    customarily used for software interchange; or,[/quote]

I'm not too up on GPL, but reading the v2 license what's to stop someone from including an offer for the source valid for at least three years, and then dragging their feet for a year or two on delivering it?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29776709</id>
	<title>Re:Object of Lust?</title>
	<author>KZigurs</author>
	<datestamp>1255784280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wasn't that regarding first release? 1.6 is out for at least a month already, and boy - does it fly!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Was n't that regarding first release ?
1.6 is out for at least a month already , and boy - does it fly !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wasn't that regarding first release?
1.6 is out for at least a month already, and boy - does it fly!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771679</id>
	<title>Re:Kill them!</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1255723200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What are Sony phones of the  mobile phones?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What are Sony phones of the mobile phones ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are Sony phones of the  mobile phones?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771551</id>
	<title>Nice excuse</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1255722480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Phone code, citing that they are "waiting for their developers to provide it." </i></p><p>Too bad that doesn't work.</p><p>"Yes your honor, I downloaded all of that music, but I emailed the artists asking how I could send them money, and are just waiting on them to license it to me properly!"</p><p>Not exactly fitting I know, but still.</p><p>Every other closed source shop has to hold off on release of their product until all licensing issues are taken care of (at least if they don't want to be taken to court.)  This license is no different.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Phone code , citing that they are " waiting for their developers to provide it .
" Too bad that does n't work .
" Yes your honor , I downloaded all of that music , but I emailed the artists asking how I could send them money , and are just waiting on them to license it to me properly !
" Not exactly fitting I know , but still.Every other closed source shop has to hold off on release of their product until all licensing issues are taken care of ( at least if they do n't want to be taken to court .
) This license is no different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Phone code, citing that they are "waiting for their developers to provide it.
" Too bad that doesn't work.
"Yes your honor, I downloaded all of that music, but I emailed the artists asking how I could send them money, and are just waiting on them to license it to me properly!
"Not exactly fitting I know, but still.Every other closed source shop has to hold off on release of their product until all licensing issues are taken care of (at least if they don't want to be taken to court.
)  This license is no different.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29778733</id>
	<title>HTC: hiding their violations, again</title>
	<author>NuShrike</author>
	<datestamp>1255805640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is just so typical of HTC when the <a href="http://www.htcclassaction.org/" title="htcclassaction.org">http://www.htcclassaction.org/</a> [htcclassaction.org] was going on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>They bite off more than they can chew, deny it through canned CS responses, and then try to drag it out until it's sorta fixed, or people loose interest.</p><p>It's bettable that they wrote all the Hero code without realizing they'll fall under GPL.  It's probably also all statically linked together and they didn't bother separating it properly, which is why they can't "release" any of the code "right now".</p><p>It's only fair to get a court order to get the code immediately released before they do any more damage to hide their violations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is just so typical of HTC when the http : //www.htcclassaction.org/ [ htcclassaction.org ] was going on ...They bite off more than they can chew , deny it through canned CS responses , and then try to drag it out until it 's sorta fixed , or people loose interest.It 's bettable that they wrote all the Hero code without realizing they 'll fall under GPL .
It 's probably also all statically linked together and they did n't bother separating it properly , which is why they ca n't " release " any of the code " right now " .It 's only fair to get a court order to get the code immediately released before they do any more damage to hide their violations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is just so typical of HTC when the http://www.htcclassaction.org/ [htcclassaction.org] was going on ...They bite off more than they can chew, deny it through canned CS responses, and then try to drag it out until it's sorta fixed, or people loose interest.It's bettable that they wrote all the Hero code without realizing they'll fall under GPL.
It's probably also all statically linked together and they didn't bother separating it properly, which is why they can't "release" any of the code "right now".It's only fair to get a court order to get the code immediately released before they do any more damage to hide their violations.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771551</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29772117</id>
	<title>Object of Lust?</title>
	<author>Kagato</author>
	<datestamp>1255725660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So I decided to RTFA on the "Object Of Lust" link.  Here's the conclusion to the article:</p><p>"The Hero represents a valiant effort from HTC -- though unfortunately, the company appears to have bitten off more than its last-generation hardware can chew. If this build of Android were to be loaded atop the guts of a 3GS or Pre, the performance would likely be astounding, but fused with the two-year old architecture of previous devices, it's mostly disappointing. We're not saying this isn't the best build of Android on the market -- we think it is. What we are saying is that this build is a bit too much for a device like the Hero to handle, and that makes for an uneven, sometimes frustrating experience. Going into the review, we desperately wanted to love this phone, but given the combination of a few poor hardware choices and an OS which outclasses the device it runs on, we can only recommend that you enter at your own risk. HTC has an explosive entry in the smartphone category with what its done on the software side... now it just needs the hardware to match."</p><p>I think they may be make the Hero out to be a bit more than it really is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So I decided to RTFA on the " Object Of Lust " link .
Here 's the conclusion to the article : " The Hero represents a valiant effort from HTC -- though unfortunately , the company appears to have bitten off more than its last-generation hardware can chew .
If this build of Android were to be loaded atop the guts of a 3GS or Pre , the performance would likely be astounding , but fused with the two-year old architecture of previous devices , it 's mostly disappointing .
We 're not saying this is n't the best build of Android on the market -- we think it is .
What we are saying is that this build is a bit too much for a device like the Hero to handle , and that makes for an uneven , sometimes frustrating experience .
Going into the review , we desperately wanted to love this phone , but given the combination of a few poor hardware choices and an OS which outclasses the device it runs on , we can only recommend that you enter at your own risk .
HTC has an explosive entry in the smartphone category with what its done on the software side... now it just needs the hardware to match .
" I think they may be make the Hero out to be a bit more than it really is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I decided to RTFA on the "Object Of Lust" link.
Here's the conclusion to the article:"The Hero represents a valiant effort from HTC -- though unfortunately, the company appears to have bitten off more than its last-generation hardware can chew.
If this build of Android were to be loaded atop the guts of a 3GS or Pre, the performance would likely be astounding, but fused with the two-year old architecture of previous devices, it's mostly disappointing.
We're not saying this isn't the best build of Android on the market -- we think it is.
What we are saying is that this build is a bit too much for a device like the Hero to handle, and that makes for an uneven, sometimes frustrating experience.
Going into the review, we desperately wanted to love this phone, but given the combination of a few poor hardware choices and an OS which outclasses the device it runs on, we can only recommend that you enter at your own risk.
HTC has an explosive entry in the smartphone category with what its done on the software side... now it just needs the hardware to match.
"I think they may be make the Hero out to be a bit more than it really is.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29772627</id>
	<title>Petition &amp; Email HTC</title>
	<author>pdragon04</author>
	<datestamp>1255685340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Someone on the xda-developers forums started a petition here

<p>http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/herokernel/signatures-1.html

</p><p>You can also go to htc.com and fill out the Contact Us form with the contents of the petition as several people have already done.

</p><p>More people doing the latter would probably generate more concern at HTC if their customer service department is getting flooded with them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone on the xda-developers forums started a petition here http : //www.ipetitions.com/petition/herokernel/signatures-1.html You can also go to htc.com and fill out the Contact Us form with the contents of the petition as several people have already done .
More people doing the latter would probably generate more concern at HTC if their customer service department is getting flooded with them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone on the xda-developers forums started a petition here

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/herokernel/signatures-1.html

You can also go to htc.com and fill out the Contact Us form with the contents of the petition as several people have already done.
More people doing the latter would probably generate more concern at HTC if their customer service department is getting flooded with them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29772153</id>
	<title>At least they are working on it now... unlike...</title>
	<author>0x537461746943</author>
	<datestamp>1255725840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I tried for a month or so to get the latest source for the Linux kernel that Checkpoint distributes with their NGX/Splat product but all I got was statements that they don't do that.  After some research and digging on their site I found a very old version that they didn't even know about.  Since they do not update it.  It is useless.  I was trying to help diagnose an issue that I was sure was a driver related problem.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried for a month or so to get the latest source for the Linux kernel that Checkpoint distributes with their NGX/Splat product but all I got was statements that they do n't do that .
After some research and digging on their site I found a very old version that they did n't even know about .
Since they do not update it .
It is useless .
I was trying to help diagnose an issue that I was sure was a driver related problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried for a month or so to get the latest source for the Linux kernel that Checkpoint distributes with their NGX/Splat product but all I got was statements that they don't do that.
After some research and digging on their site I found a very old version that they didn't even know about.
Since they do not update it.
It is useless.
I was trying to help diagnose an issue that I was sure was a driver related problem.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771831</id>
	<title>Re:Waiting for the Acer A1 phone</title>
	<author>citylivin</author>
	<datestamp>1255724220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>After trying to get linux updates for an acer aspire one netbook that out of the box did not work, trying to find fourms and talking to brain dead tech support, i would never buy another device from them. They had absolutely zero after sale support for linux on that aspire. My friend who purchased it, traded it in for a windows machine. They seem to have a forum now, just not 6 months or so after the device came out? Weird and lame!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>After trying to get linux updates for an acer aspire one netbook that out of the box did not work , trying to find fourms and talking to brain dead tech support , i would never buy another device from them .
They had absolutely zero after sale support for linux on that aspire .
My friend who purchased it , traded it in for a windows machine .
They seem to have a forum now , just not 6 months or so after the device came out ?
Weird and lame !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After trying to get linux updates for an acer aspire one netbook that out of the box did not work, trying to find fourms and talking to brain dead tech support, i would never buy another device from them.
They had absolutely zero after sale support for linux on that aspire.
My friend who purchased it, traded it in for a windows machine.
They seem to have a forum now, just not 6 months or so after the device came out?
Weird and lame!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29778175</id>
	<title>Re:Nice excuse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255800600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps they could try the  "Your honor, my dog ate the source code" defense<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps they could try the " Your honor , my dog ate the source code " defense ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps they could try the  "Your honor, my dog ate the source code" defense ;-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771551</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29772699</id>
	<title>not enough processing power</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255685760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>are you trying to build a beowolf cluster of those??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>are you trying to build a beowolf cluster of those ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>are you trying to build a beowolf cluster of those?
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771649</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29778165</id>
	<title>Re:So what? The GPL is a copyright license</title>
	<author>Just Some Guy</author>
	<datestamp>1255800540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>You can't be opposed to copyrights all the time and encouraging piracy but then turn around and bash people for violating your precious GPL copyright license.</p></div><p>It's almost as if Slashdotters generally want to ensure the free sharing of information and are opposed to things that block it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't be opposed to copyrights all the time and encouraging piracy but then turn around and bash people for violating your precious GPL copyright license.It 's almost as if Slashdotters generally want to ensure the free sharing of information and are opposed to things that block it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't be opposed to copyrights all the time and encouraging piracy but then turn around and bash people for violating your precious GPL copyright license.It's almost as if Slashdotters generally want to ensure the free sharing of information and are opposed to things that block it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771799</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29772359</id>
	<title>Who agreed to the license</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255683840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sounds like they outsourced their development to a third party. That third party is who agreed to the GPL and who is obligated to release the appropriate source.</p><p>All they need do is name that third party and they're off the hook.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like they outsourced their development to a third party .
That third party is who agreed to the GPL and who is obligated to release the appropriate source.All they need do is name that third party and they 're off the hook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like they outsourced their development to a third party.
That third party is who agreed to the GPL and who is obligated to release the appropriate source.All they need do is name that third party and they're off the hook.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29773627</id>
	<title>Re:Object of Lust?</title>
	<author>gumpish</author>
	<datestamp>1255691700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's also worth noting that the original review was posted in July.</p><p><a href="http://www.engadget.com/2009/09/14/htc-hero-firmware-update-peps-up-the-sense-experience-to-somethi/" title="engadget.com">Last month HTC released a firmware update that eliminates the laggy interface issues.</a> [engadget.com] </p><blockquote><div><p>Good news for HTC Hero early adopters: HTC has a new firmware update out now for the device, and it considerably speeds up the interface if the multitude of reports to be found on the internet can be believed. Seeing as this was the number one gripe with the overall excellent UI, we're incredibly glad HTC has gotten work on this, and we'll be spending some more time with the device to return our newly tinted impressions. There's a video after the break demonstrating changes, and most actions seems quite a bit quicker and smoother, all the way down to opening and closing the apps menu, and sliding between home screens. The update doesn't really include much else in the way of features, but since it's addressing the main pain point of the phone, we sure don't mind -- and neither will Sprint users, who we suppose will be getting this newly improved interface right out of the gate.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's also worth noting that the original review was posted in July.Last month HTC released a firmware update that eliminates the laggy interface issues .
[ engadget.com ] Good news for HTC Hero early adopters : HTC has a new firmware update out now for the device , and it considerably speeds up the interface if the multitude of reports to be found on the internet can be believed .
Seeing as this was the number one gripe with the overall excellent UI , we 're incredibly glad HTC has gotten work on this , and we 'll be spending some more time with the device to return our newly tinted impressions .
There 's a video after the break demonstrating changes , and most actions seems quite a bit quicker and smoother , all the way down to opening and closing the apps menu , and sliding between home screens .
The update does n't really include much else in the way of features , but since it 's addressing the main pain point of the phone , we sure do n't mind -- and neither will Sprint users , who we suppose will be getting this newly improved interface right out of the gate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's also worth noting that the original review was posted in July.Last month HTC released a firmware update that eliminates the laggy interface issues.
[engadget.com] Good news for HTC Hero early adopters: HTC has a new firmware update out now for the device, and it considerably speeds up the interface if the multitude of reports to be found on the internet can be believed.
Seeing as this was the number one gripe with the overall excellent UI, we're incredibly glad HTC has gotten work on this, and we'll be spending some more time with the device to return our newly tinted impressions.
There's a video after the break demonstrating changes, and most actions seems quite a bit quicker and smoother, all the way down to opening and closing the apps menu, and sliding between home screens.
The update doesn't really include much else in the way of features, but since it's addressing the main pain point of the phone, we sure don't mind -- and neither will Sprint users, who we suppose will be getting this newly improved interface right out of the gate.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29776071</id>
	<title>Re:Nice excuse</title>
	<author>the\_womble</author>
	<datestamp>1255722960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I understand the GPL correctly, you have to provide source if you distribute the software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I understand the GPL correctly , you have to provide source if you distribute the software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I understand the GPL correctly, you have to provide source if you distribute the software.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29772789</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771537</id>
	<title>iPhone killer?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255722420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where have we heard that before!?!?</p><p>Wake me when it has any applications worth using, or an interface that doesn't suck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where have we heard that before ! ? !
? Wake me when it has any applications worth using , or an interface that does n't suck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where have we heard that before!?!
?Wake me when it has any applications worth using, or an interface that doesn't suck.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29778787</id>
	<title>Screen Lag -- by Qualcomm</title>
	<author>NuShrike</author>
	<datestamp>1255806120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Any lag you experience is an artifact of the Qualcomm cpu.  This has only been a problem for even Windows Mobile when HTC switched to the Q chip starting with the Kaiser (AT&amp;T Tilt) phone.</p><p>It's been evident ever since, so it's no surprise that Android suffers from it also especially with HTC's scrolling hacks all over it.</p><p>The lag goes away once you switch back to a XScale cpu, or anything else that isn't a Qualcomm cpu.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Any lag you experience is an artifact of the Qualcomm cpu .
This has only been a problem for even Windows Mobile when HTC switched to the Q chip starting with the Kaiser ( AT&amp;T Tilt ) phone.It 's been evident ever since , so it 's no surprise that Android suffers from it also especially with HTC 's scrolling hacks all over it.The lag goes away once you switch back to a XScale cpu , or anything else that is n't a Qualcomm cpu .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Any lag you experience is an artifact of the Qualcomm cpu.
This has only been a problem for even Windows Mobile when HTC switched to the Q chip starting with the Kaiser (AT&amp;T Tilt) phone.It's been evident ever since, so it's no surprise that Android suffers from it also especially with HTC's scrolling hacks all over it.The lag goes away once you switch back to a XScale cpu, or anything else that isn't a Qualcomm cpu.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29774471</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771909</id>
	<title>Perhaps they need a "discovery order"</title>
	<author>goffster</author>
	<datestamp>1255724520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am sure someone would come up with it then.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am sure someone would come up with it then .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am sure someone would come up with it then.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29774899</id>
	<title>Re:Nice excuse</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1255702560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>The external company would be the ones making the copies by preinstalling the software onto the phones, and they would be fulfilling the terms of the GPL by providing the source to the phone company. At this point, the phone company haven't made any copies, they have essentially just bought a shipment of goods. What compels them to be bound by the terms of the GPL? Don't you actually have to make copies to be bound by its terms? </i></p></div> </blockquote><p>It's copyright.  Just because the guy on the street corner selling copies of DVD's didn't burn them himself (he got them from the guy who burns all day) doesn't mean he's not going to be hit for copyright infringement.</p><p>If HTC or Verizon or whoever isn't providing source they have no right to distribute the copyrighted material (the kernel, plus busybox or whatever is in there).  Once they comply with the terms of the license, they have that right.</p><p>So, they need to stop distributing or comply with the license terms, otherwise they're liable under copyright law.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The external company would be the ones making the copies by preinstalling the software onto the phones , and they would be fulfilling the terms of the GPL by providing the source to the phone company .
At this point , the phone company have n't made any copies , they have essentially just bought a shipment of goods .
What compels them to be bound by the terms of the GPL ?
Do n't you actually have to make copies to be bound by its terms ?
It 's copyright .
Just because the guy on the street corner selling copies of DVD 's did n't burn them himself ( he got them from the guy who burns all day ) does n't mean he 's not going to be hit for copyright infringement.If HTC or Verizon or whoever is n't providing source they have no right to distribute the copyrighted material ( the kernel , plus busybox or whatever is in there ) .
Once they comply with the terms of the license , they have that right.So , they need to stop distributing or comply with the license terms , otherwise they 're liable under copyright law .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The external company would be the ones making the copies by preinstalling the software onto the phones, and they would be fulfilling the terms of the GPL by providing the source to the phone company.
At this point, the phone company haven't made any copies, they have essentially just bought a shipment of goods.
What compels them to be bound by the terms of the GPL?
Don't you actually have to make copies to be bound by its terms?
It's copyright.
Just because the guy on the street corner selling copies of DVD's didn't burn them himself (he got them from the guy who burns all day) doesn't mean he's not going to be hit for copyright infringement.If HTC or Verizon or whoever isn't providing source they have no right to distribute the copyrighted material (the kernel, plus busybox or whatever is in there).
Once they comply with the terms of the license, they have that right.So, they need to stop distributing or comply with the license terms, otherwise they're liable under copyright law.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29773407</id>
	<title>Re:I sent them a dozen roses and said "please..."</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255690260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmm, sounds like somebody who bought the phone should make a formal request to Sprint, wait a month for non-response and file suit... same with whatever carriers are selling the phone in EU.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm , sounds like somebody who bought the phone should make a formal request to Sprint , wait a month for non-response and file suit... same with whatever carriers are selling the phone in EU .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm, sounds like somebody who bought the phone should make a formal request to Sprint, wait a month for non-response and file suit... same with whatever carriers are selling the phone in EU.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771965</id>
	<title>Re:iPhone killer?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255724880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>iPhone killer?</p><p>Where have we heard that before!?!?</p></div><p>Where have you heard that <i>here</i>?  I don't see anyone calling the Hero an "iPhone killer".  Looks more like an "iPhone competitor".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>iPhone killer ? Where have we heard that before ! ? !
? Where have you heard that here ?
I do n't see anyone calling the Hero an " iPhone killer " .
Looks more like an " iPhone competitor " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iPhone killer?Where have we heard that before!?!
?Where have you heard that here?
I don't see anyone calling the Hero an "iPhone killer".
Looks more like an "iPhone competitor".
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29773037</id>
	<title>PLEASE STOP</title>
	<author>DMiax</author>
	<datestamp>1255687680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am incredibly annoyed at people that RTFA and then post entire paragraphs in hope they get modded "Informative".</p><p>IT IS AN ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIOR</p><p>for many reasons:
<br>1. not RTFAing is not lazyness, it's a principle. The parent did put a disclaimer<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,but so many trick us into readng taboo content that it get very very disciminatory against thos of us with moral values.
<br>2. it may spawn an utterly informed thread, a situation to be avoided at all costs.
<br>3. in the same way it may bring to an end a highly speculative thread - that is the very essence of slashdot - just because it does not agree with the so-called "facts".
<br>4. the points 2 and 3 may affect other threads due to people inadvertently read the quote and reproducing it in other posts.</p><p>
On the other hand we appreciate and encourage your karma-whoring attempt, you will receive your mod points soon<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am incredibly annoyed at people that RTFA and then post entire paragraphs in hope they get modded " Informative " .IT IS AN ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIORfor many reasons : 1. not RTFAing is not lazyness , it 's a principle .
The parent did put a disclaimer ,but so many trick us into readng taboo content that it get very very disciminatory against thos of us with moral values .
2. it may spawn an utterly informed thread , a situation to be avoided at all costs .
3. in the same way it may bring to an end a highly speculative thread - that is the very essence of slashdot - just because it does not agree with the so-called " facts " .
4. the points 2 and 3 may affect other threads due to people inadvertently read the quote and reproducing it in other posts .
On the other hand we appreciate and encourage your karma-whoring attempt , you will receive your mod points soon : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am incredibly annoyed at people that RTFA and then post entire paragraphs in hope they get modded "Informative".IT IS AN ANTI-SOCIAL BEHAVIORfor many reasons:
1. not RTFAing is not lazyness, it's a principle.
The parent did put a disclaimer ,but so many trick us into readng taboo content that it get very very disciminatory against thos of us with moral values.
2. it may spawn an utterly informed thread, a situation to be avoided at all costs.
3. in the same way it may bring to an end a highly speculative thread - that is the very essence of slashdot - just because it does not agree with the so-called "facts".
4. the points 2 and 3 may affect other threads due to people inadvertently read the quote and reproducing it in other posts.
On the other hand we appreciate and encourage your karma-whoring attempt, you will receive your mod points soon :)

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29774127</id>
	<title>Re:Waiting for the Acer A1 phone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255695180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>google search shows the A1 running at 768ish mhz</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>google search shows the A1 running at 768ish mhz</tokentext>
<sentencetext>google search shows the A1 running at 768ish mhz</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29773443</id>
	<title>Re:Object of Lust?</title>
	<author>Squiff</author>
	<datestamp>1255690380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That was before the recent software upgrade which fixed a lot of bugs and made the interface a great deal more responsive. I have one of these phones and it's excellent.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That was before the recent software upgrade which fixed a lot of bugs and made the interface a great deal more responsive .
I have one of these phones and it 's excellent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That was before the recent software upgrade which fixed a lot of bugs and made the interface a great deal more responsive.
I have one of these phones and it's excellent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771851</id>
	<title>It'll continue...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255724340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...until one of the copyright holders (you know, the ones with standing to sue) send a C&amp;D and threaten to file for an injunction stopping all HTC Hero sales. The source code will be ready for download about 0.2 seconds later.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...until one of the copyright holders ( you know , the ones with standing to sue ) send a C&amp;D and threaten to file for an injunction stopping all HTC Hero sales .
The source code will be ready for download about 0.2 seconds later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...until one of the copyright holders (you know, the ones with standing to sue) send a C&amp;D and threaten to file for an injunction stopping all HTC Hero sales.
The source code will be ready for download about 0.2 seconds later.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29774869</id>
	<title>Re:Definition of lust?</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1255702200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>That sounds completely different then my definition of lust.</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>Spec sheets ~= beer goggles.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That sounds completely different then my definition of lust .
Spec sheets ~ = beer goggles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> That sounds completely different then my definition of lust.
Spec sheets ~= beer goggles.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29773109</id>
	<title>Re:Kill them!</title>
	<author>PitaBred</author>
	<datestamp>1255688220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Nifty" quality? Is that somewhere below "r0x0r5" and a bit above "meh"?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Nifty " quality ?
Is that somewhere below " r0x0r5 " and a bit above " meh " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Nifty" quality?
Is that somewhere below "r0x0r5" and a bit above "meh"?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29774485</id>
	<title>Re:Definition of lust?</title>
	<author>ShieldW0lf</author>
	<datestamp>1255698420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>FTA: Going into the review, we desperately wanted to love this phone, but given the combination of a few poor hardware choices and an OS which outclasses the device it runs on, we can only recommend that you enter at your own risk.
<br> <br>
That sounds completely different then my definition of lust.</i> <br> <br>
They went into the review drunk on a Friday night.  They sent the phone back to the manufacturer in a cab around 4 AM, and they wrote their findings when they woke up on Saturday afternoon.  Haven't we all been there?</htmltext>
<tokenext>FTA : Going into the review , we desperately wanted to love this phone , but given the combination of a few poor hardware choices and an OS which outclasses the device it runs on , we can only recommend that you enter at your own risk .
That sounds completely different then my definition of lust .
They went into the review drunk on a Friday night .
They sent the phone back to the manufacturer in a cab around 4 AM , and they wrote their findings when they woke up on Saturday afternoon .
Have n't we all been there ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FTA: Going into the review, we desperately wanted to love this phone, but given the combination of a few poor hardware choices and an OS which outclasses the device it runs on, we can only recommend that you enter at your own risk.
That sounds completely different then my definition of lust.
They went into the review drunk on a Friday night.
They sent the phone back to the manufacturer in a cab around 4 AM, and they wrote their findings when they woke up on Saturday afternoon.
Haven't we all been there?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29772541</id>
	<title>Re:iPhone killer?</title>
	<author>migla</author>
	<datestamp>1255684980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My bet for an iPhone killer: N900</p><p>And I don't mean it will kill it outright, but it is the poison pill of free software that will start the snowball rolling in the mainstream about what is to  be expected of mobile computing in the near future. (my prediction)</p><p>(Disclaimer: Fuck Nokia, fuck Finland, Fuck Sweden (just to be on the safe side), Fuck capitalism, Long live Freedom!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My bet for an iPhone killer : N900And I do n't mean it will kill it outright , but it is the poison pill of free software that will start the snowball rolling in the mainstream about what is to be expected of mobile computing in the near future .
( my prediction ) ( Disclaimer : Fuck Nokia , fuck Finland , Fuck Sweden ( just to be on the safe side ) , Fuck capitalism , Long live Freedom !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My bet for an iPhone killer: N900And I don't mean it will kill it outright, but it is the poison pill of free software that will start the snowball rolling in the mainstream about what is to  be expected of mobile computing in the near future.
(my prediction)(Disclaimer: Fuck Nokia, fuck Finland, Fuck Sweden (just to be on the safe side), Fuck capitalism, Long live Freedom!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_16_1720224.29771763</id>
	<title>Bitch-slap the marketing department please</title>
	<author>schnikies79</author>
	<datestamp>1255723800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With a name like "hero", you know it's going to suck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With a name like " hero " , you know it 's going to suck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With a name like "hero", you know it's going to suck.</sentencetext>
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