<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_14_1843206</id>
	<title>What Kind of Cloud Computing Project Costs $32M?</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1255546260000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>coondoggie writes <i>"The US Department of Energy said today it will spend <a href="http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/46155">$32 million on a project that will deploy a large cloud computing test bed</a> with thousands of Intel Nehalem CPU cores and explore commercial offerings from Amazon, Microsoft and Google. Ultimately, the project, known as Magellan, will look at cloud computing as a cost-effective and energy-efficient way for scientists to accelerate discoveries in a variety of disciplines, including analysis of scientific data sets in biology, climate change and physics, the DOE stated.  Magellan will explore whether cloud computing can help meet the overwhelming demand for scientific computing. Although computation is an increasingly important tool for scientific discovery, and DOE operates some of the world's most powerful supercomputers, not all research applications require such massive computing power. The number of scientists who would benefit from mid-range computing far exceeds the amount of available resources, the DEO stated."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>coondoggie writes " The US Department of Energy said today it will spend $ 32 million on a project that will deploy a large cloud computing test bed with thousands of Intel Nehalem CPU cores and explore commercial offerings from Amazon , Microsoft and Google .
Ultimately , the project , known as Magellan , will look at cloud computing as a cost-effective and energy-efficient way for scientists to accelerate discoveries in a variety of disciplines , including analysis of scientific data sets in biology , climate change and physics , the DOE stated .
Magellan will explore whether cloud computing can help meet the overwhelming demand for scientific computing .
Although computation is an increasingly important tool for scientific discovery , and DOE operates some of the world 's most powerful supercomputers , not all research applications require such massive computing power .
The number of scientists who would benefit from mid-range computing far exceeds the amount of available resources , the DEO stated .
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<sentencetext>coondoggie writes "The US Department of Energy said today it will spend $32 million on a project that will deploy a large cloud computing test bed with thousands of Intel Nehalem CPU cores and explore commercial offerings from Amazon, Microsoft and Google.
Ultimately, the project, known as Magellan, will look at cloud computing as a cost-effective and energy-efficient way for scientists to accelerate discoveries in a variety of disciplines, including analysis of scientific data sets in biology, climate change and physics, the DOE stated.
Magellan will explore whether cloud computing can help meet the overwhelming demand for scientific computing.
Although computation is an increasingly important tool for scientific discovery, and DOE operates some of the world's most powerful supercomputers, not all research applications require such massive computing power.
The number of scientists who would benefit from mid-range computing far exceeds the amount of available resources, the DEO stated.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748987</id>
	<title>Re:Just use boinc</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255553340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SETI actually is a part of BOINC now.</p><p>Just thought you should know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SETI actually is a part of BOINC now.Just thought you should know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SETI actually is a part of BOINC now.Just thought you should know.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748379</id>
	<title>If they simulate nuclear reactions...</title>
	<author>PhilHibbs</author>
	<datestamp>1255550640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...would that be mushroom cloud computing?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...would that be mushroom cloud computing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...would that be mushroom cloud computing?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29750347</id>
	<title>Costs</title>
	<author>awitod</author>
	<datestamp>1255516560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What kind? The kind that requires a building that sits on land and is full of hardware.<br>$32 million isn't that much when you consider that.</p><p>Here is an estimate for an empty 80000 square foot office building with no contents and no land. ~$12 million.</p><p><a href="http://www.reedconstructiondata.com/rsmeans/models/offices3/" title="reedconstructiondata.com">http://www.reedconstructiondata.com/rsmeans/models/offices3/</a> [reedconstructiondata.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What kind ?
The kind that requires a building that sits on land and is full of hardware. $ 32 million is n't that much when you consider that.Here is an estimate for an empty 80000 square foot office building with no contents and no land .
~ $ 12 million.http : //www.reedconstructiondata.com/rsmeans/models/offices3/ [ reedconstructiondata.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What kind?
The kind that requires a building that sits on land and is full of hardware.$32 million isn't that much when you consider that.Here is an estimate for an empty 80000 square foot office building with no contents and no land.
~$12 million.http://www.reedconstructiondata.com/rsmeans/models/offices3/ [reedconstructiondata.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29749307</id>
	<title>Re:In socialist America</title>
	<author>snspdaarf</author>
	<datestamp>1255511640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds like the old John Earling ("Earling in the Morning") routine on KRMG. He was making fun of Oral Roberts, but it was, "Send me your dimes. If everyone within the sound of my voice would send me a single dime, I would be a millionaire, and you would be only a dime short."</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like the old John Earling ( " Earling in the Morning " ) routine on KRMG .
He was making fun of Oral Roberts , but it was , " Send me your dimes .
If everyone within the sound of my voice would send me a single dime , I would be a millionaire , and you would be only a dime short .
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<sentencetext>Sounds like the old John Earling ("Earling in the Morning") routine on KRMG.
He was making fun of Oral Roberts, but it was, "Send me your dimes.
If everyone within the sound of my voice would send me a single dime, I would be a millionaire, and you would be only a dime short.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29750711</id>
	<title>Someone else's money</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255518960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When someone is spending someone else's money, they have very little incentive to spend it correctly. Welcome to big government.</p><p>Also, in NSW (Australia) it seems you only need one degree of separation in order to turn their fraud into failure. Our premier sits at the front of press conferences and tells us there's no more money. The corrupt front-benchers are at a different meeting and are not held accountable. And we let them off, calling them, "idiots," but I think it is it the voters who are stupid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When someone is spending someone else 's money , they have very little incentive to spend it correctly .
Welcome to big government.Also , in NSW ( Australia ) it seems you only need one degree of separation in order to turn their fraud into failure .
Our premier sits at the front of press conferences and tells us there 's no more money .
The corrupt front-benchers are at a different meeting and are not held accountable .
And we let them off , calling them , " idiots , " but I think it is it the voters who are stupid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When someone is spending someone else's money, they have very little incentive to spend it correctly.
Welcome to big government.Also, in NSW (Australia) it seems you only need one degree of separation in order to turn their fraud into failure.
Our premier sits at the front of press conferences and tells us there's no more money.
The corrupt front-benchers are at a different meeting and are not held accountable.
And we let them off, calling them, "idiots," but I think it is it the voters who are stupid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748753</id>
	<title>$32,000,000...</title>
	<author>corychristison</author>
	<datestamp>1255552320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... sounds like a walk in the park compared to their other spending. I think that number is off by a factor of 100 or so.</p><p>In contrast, my small city (~40,000 people) in central Canada is spending ~$56,000,000 on a new Multiplex/Sports center. Supposed to have a new hockey rink, curling rinks, soccer area's with artificial turf.</p><p>I'd my city council spend it on a Cloud Computing Centre.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... sounds like a walk in the park compared to their other spending .
I think that number is off by a factor of 100 or so.In contrast , my small city ( ~ 40,000 people ) in central Canada is spending ~ $ 56,000,000 on a new Multiplex/Sports center .
Supposed to have a new hockey rink , curling rinks , soccer area 's with artificial turf.I 'd my city council spend it on a Cloud Computing Centre .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... sounds like a walk in the park compared to their other spending.
I think that number is off by a factor of 100 or so.In contrast, my small city (~40,000 people) in central Canada is spending ~$56,000,000 on a new Multiplex/Sports center.
Supposed to have a new hockey rink, curling rinks, soccer area's with artificial turf.I'd my city council spend it on a Cloud Computing Centre.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29784725</id>
	<title>Re:$32 million?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1255885620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Depends. If they spend it on research to murder even more people with a F-35, priced at $500 million... then things might look different, no?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends .
If they spend it on research to murder even more people with a F-35 , priced at $ 500 million... then things might look different , no ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends.
If they spend it on research to murder even more people with a F-35, priced at $500 million... then things might look different, no?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748257</id>
	<title>Wrong question.</title>
	<author>frosty\_tsm</author>
	<datestamp>1255550220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The question is not "What kind of cloud computing project costs $32M?"  The question is "Is research into the benefits of cloud computing worth $32M?"<br> <br>

As with many multi-million research grants, it looks less like valuable research and more like a handout.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The question is not " What kind of cloud computing project costs $ 32M ?
" The question is " Is research into the benefits of cloud computing worth $ 32M ?
" As with many multi-million research grants , it looks less like valuable research and more like a handout .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The question is not "What kind of cloud computing project costs $32M?
"  The question is "Is research into the benefits of cloud computing worth $32M?
" 

As with many multi-million research grants, it looks less like valuable research and more like a handout.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748285</id>
	<title>Depends ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255550340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hardware is not the only thing to consider. Think about all those software companies that license their stuff per core. "Thousands of cores" at $3,000 per core for software adds up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hardware is not the only thing to consider .
Think about all those software companies that license their stuff per core .
" Thousands of cores " at $ 3,000 per core for software adds up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hardware is not the only thing to consider.
Think about all those software companies that license their stuff per core.
"Thousands of cores" at $3,000 per core for software adds up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29749209</id>
	<title>Re:Government Spending</title>
	<author>cetialphav</author>
	<datestamp>1255511160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The DOE and DARPA (and others) are huge users of HPC (high performance computing) applications.  The have a vested interest in having the state of the art advance in parallel computing and so they tend to provide lots of research grants to fund that.  They also routinely let outsiders use some of their computing facilities for the same reason (not all of their labs do classified work).  There are many computing facilities that need enormous computing power as shown on the <a href="http://www.top500.org/" title="top500.org">Top 500 list.</a> [top500.org]  But they are seeing that there are times where researchers need computational power, but not at such a large scale and not for long periods of time.  If medium powered computational facilities could be made available to researchers cheaply and quickly, they would be widely used.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The DOE and DARPA ( and others ) are huge users of HPC ( high performance computing ) applications .
The have a vested interest in having the state of the art advance in parallel computing and so they tend to provide lots of research grants to fund that .
They also routinely let outsiders use some of their computing facilities for the same reason ( not all of their labs do classified work ) .
There are many computing facilities that need enormous computing power as shown on the Top 500 list .
[ top500.org ] But they are seeing that there are times where researchers need computational power , but not at such a large scale and not for long periods of time .
If medium powered computational facilities could be made available to researchers cheaply and quickly , they would be widely used .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The DOE and DARPA (and others) are huge users of HPC (high performance computing) applications.
The have a vested interest in having the state of the art advance in parallel computing and so they tend to provide lots of research grants to fund that.
They also routinely let outsiders use some of their computing facilities for the same reason (not all of their labs do classified work).
There are many computing facilities that need enormous computing power as shown on the Top 500 list.
[top500.org]  But they are seeing that there are times where researchers need computational power, but not at such a large scale and not for long periods of time.
If medium powered computational facilities could be made available to researchers cheaply and quickly, they would be widely used.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748655</id>
	<title>Re:Salary</title>
	<author>FlyingBishop</author>
	<datestamp>1255551960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, it says thousands of Nehalems, and 1-2000 will easily cost 1,000,000 for the processors alone, so the hardware could easily be 5 million.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , it says thousands of Nehalems , and 1-2000 will easily cost 1,000,000 for the processors alone , so the hardware could easily be 5 million .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, it says thousands of Nehalems, and 1-2000 will easily cost 1,000,000 for the processors alone, so the hardware could easily be 5 million.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748601</id>
	<title>The trouble with supercomputing</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1255551780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The trouble with supercomputing is that, if you have to share the thing, you don't need it.
</p><p>
Supercomputers are worth the trouble if there are applications that need hours or days of time.  But if
you have many users sharing the thing, it's a waste.  Price/performance tends to be maximized towards
the upper end of mainstream machines. Supercomputers, with their custom hardware, tend to have lower
price/performance than commodity machines.  That's why web farms are made of commodity hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The trouble with supercomputing is that , if you have to share the thing , you do n't need it .
Supercomputers are worth the trouble if there are applications that need hours or days of time .
But if you have many users sharing the thing , it 's a waste .
Price/performance tends to be maximized towards the upper end of mainstream machines .
Supercomputers , with their custom hardware , tend to have lower price/performance than commodity machines .
That 's why web farms are made of commodity hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The trouble with supercomputing is that, if you have to share the thing, you don't need it.
Supercomputers are worth the trouble if there are applications that need hours or days of time.
But if
you have many users sharing the thing, it's a waste.
Price/performance tends to be maximized towards
the upper end of mainstream machines.
Supercomputers, with their custom hardware, tend to have lower
price/performance than commodity machines.
That's why web farms are made of commodity hardware.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748223</id>
	<title>I assume this doesn't just include the cloud . . .</title>
	<author>base3</author>
	<datestamp>1255550040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>. . . but also the rest of the sky including the moon and the stars.</htmltext>
<tokenext>.
. .
but also the rest of the sky including the moon and the stars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.
. .
but also the rest of the sky including the moon and the stars.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29749295</id>
	<title>cloudy?</title>
	<author>doctormetal</author>
	<datestamp>1255511580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As the saying goes: keep your feet on the ground instead of your head in the clouds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As the saying goes : keep your feet on the ground instead of your head in the clouds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As the saying goes: keep your feet on the ground instead of your head in the clouds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748505</id>
	<title>Just use boinc</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255551300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They should just attach to the boinc project, or a SETI like project.  But I suppose they wouldn't sensitive data being copied all over the world.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They should just attach to the boinc project , or a SETI like project .
But I suppose they would n't sensitive data being copied all over the world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should just attach to the boinc project, or a SETI like project.
But I suppose they wouldn't sensitive data being copied all over the world.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29749027</id>
	<title>BOINC?</title>
	<author>peterofoz</author>
	<datestamp>1255553460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We already have a platform to do this - BOINC. We've been wasting megawatts on SETI for years. Perhaps we should turn the search closer to home and just search for terrestrial intelligence, but that could be equally futile.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We already have a platform to do this - BOINC .
We 've been wasting megawatts on SETI for years .
Perhaps we should turn the search closer to home and just search for terrestrial intelligence , but that could be equally futile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We already have a platform to do this - BOINC.
We've been wasting megawatts on SETI for years.
Perhaps we should turn the search closer to home and just search for terrestrial intelligence, but that could be equally futile.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748377</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong question.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255550580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>As with many multi-million research grants, it looks less like valuable research and more like a handout.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Frankly I`m just suprised that the US government has a whole department dedicated to wasting energy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As with many multi-million research grants , it looks less like valuable research and more like a handout .
Frankly I ` m just suprised that the US government has a whole department dedicated to wasting energy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As with many multi-million research grants, it looks less like valuable research and more like a handout.
Frankly I`m just suprised that the US government has a whole department dedicated to wasting energy.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29760317</id>
	<title>Re:How about Air Traffic Control?</title>
	<author>KZigurs</author>
	<datestamp>1255634160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok, that covers hardware side. Now find someone competent to actually write some software to analyze, spec and run the stuff, QA it, cover the transition costs and factor in maintenance costs, staff and management overhead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok , that covers hardware side .
Now find someone competent to actually write some software to analyze , spec and run the stuff , QA it , cover the transition costs and factor in maintenance costs , staff and management overhead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok, that covers hardware side.
Now find someone competent to actually write some software to analyze, spec and run the stuff, QA it, cover the transition costs and factor in maintenance costs, staff and management overhead.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29749427</id>
	<title>Every cloud has a silver lining...</title>
	<author>clickety6</author>
	<datestamp>1255512120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>..although for $32 million, this cloud probably has a Tantalum lining!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>..although for $ 32 million , this cloud probably has a Tantalum lining !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ..although for $32 million, this cloud probably has a Tantalum lining!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29749491</id>
	<title>Re:Erm</title>
	<author>icebike</author>
	<datestamp>1255512420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>

There is a recession going on.<p>Perhaps DOE thinks this their private stimulus package.</p><p>

Still, when all the screaming and whining is over and Microsoft has fired promoted the guilty at Danger, can it still be said that 32Million would have been too costly?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a recession going on.Perhaps DOE thinks this their private stimulus package .
Still , when all the screaming and whining is over and Microsoft has fired promoted the guilty at Danger , can it still be said that 32Million would have been too costly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

There is a recession going on.Perhaps DOE thinks this their private stimulus package.
Still, when all the screaming and whining is over and Microsoft has fired promoted the guilty at Danger, can it still be said that 32Million would have been too costly?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29750307</id>
	<title>What Kind of Cloud Computing Project Costs $32M?</title>
	<author>SnarfQuest</author>
	<datestamp>1255516320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One that includes Microsoft</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One that includes Microsoft</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One that includes Microsoft</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29753157</id>
	<title>Re:$32,000,000...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255537980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they didn't accidenty the whole thing first. What would they do?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they did n't accidenty the whole thing first .
What would they do ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they didn't accidenty the whole thing first.
What would they do?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29751467</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong question.</title>
	<author>Matheus</author>
	<datestamp>1255524000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a question that from my interpretation of the article is valid but off-base.</p><p>They are not spending 32M on *using* a cloud.  They are spending 32M to *build* a cloud.  That is why they specified "thousands of nehalem processors"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... they would have no knowledge of the underlying hardware if they were just talking about buying time on an existing cloud.</p><p>I could easily spend 32M on building my own cloud.  Actually that wouldn't even build a very big cloud... at consumer prices (which we all know they wouldn't be paying) you spend roughly $180K for a fully loaded Dell blade chassis (16x double-quad nehalem boxes with gobs of ram and disk)  Add to that rack / backup / power / etc all the costs of running the data center and the cloud computing software and your 32M gives you a nice but tiny compared to say Amazon EC2 cloud.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a question that from my interpretation of the article is valid but off-base.They are not spending 32M on * using * a cloud .
They are spending 32M to * build * a cloud .
That is why they specified " thousands of nehalem processors " ... they would have no knowledge of the underlying hardware if they were just talking about buying time on an existing cloud.I could easily spend 32M on building my own cloud .
Actually that would n't even build a very big cloud... at consumer prices ( which we all know they would n't be paying ) you spend roughly $ 180K for a fully loaded Dell blade chassis ( 16x double-quad nehalem boxes with gobs of ram and disk ) Add to that rack / backup / power / etc all the costs of running the data center and the cloud computing software and your 32M gives you a nice but tiny compared to say Amazon EC2 cloud .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a question that from my interpretation of the article is valid but off-base.They are not spending 32M on *using* a cloud.
They are spending 32M to *build* a cloud.
That is why they specified "thousands of nehalem processors" ... they would have no knowledge of the underlying hardware if they were just talking about buying time on an existing cloud.I could easily spend 32M on building my own cloud.
Actually that wouldn't even build a very big cloud... at consumer prices (which we all know they wouldn't be paying) you spend roughly $180K for a fully loaded Dell blade chassis (16x double-quad nehalem boxes with gobs of ram and disk)  Add to that rack / backup / power / etc all the costs of running the data center and the cloud computing software and your 32M gives you a nice but tiny compared to say Amazon EC2 cloud.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748807</id>
	<title>Extra cost of materials</title>
	<author>Crash Culligan</author>
	<datestamp>1255552500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The specifications for that cloud include a silver lining.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The specifications for that cloud include a silver lining .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The specifications for that cloud include a silver lining.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748503</id>
	<title>$32 million?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255551300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With that much money they could get a quarter of an F-22 fighter jet! How dare they spend it on research?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With that much money they could get a quarter of an F-22 fighter jet !
How dare they spend it on research ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With that much money they could get a quarter of an F-22 fighter jet!
How dare they spend it on research?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29750189</id>
	<title>Re:It's Mushroom Cloud Research, not computer clou</title>
	<author>Gilmoure</author>
	<datestamp>1255515780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's a <a href="http://sandia.gov/" title="sandia.gov">DOE Lab site</a> [sandia.gov]. Fargin' Iceholes!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a DOE Lab site [ sandia.gov ] .
Fargin ' Iceholes !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a DOE Lab site [sandia.gov].
Fargin' Iceholes!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29749487</id>
	<title>Re:In socialist America</title>
	<author>martas</author>
	<datestamp>1255512360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>In socialist America, children go to school and learn something useful, everyone has healthcare, the entire planet doesn't see the US as a meddling bully that resorts to violence to solve all of its problems, and technology is seen as an opportunity rather than a nuisance. Oh, the horror!</htmltext>
<tokenext>In socialist America , children go to school and learn something useful , everyone has healthcare , the entire planet does n't see the US as a meddling bully that resorts to violence to solve all of its problems , and technology is seen as an opportunity rather than a nuisance .
Oh , the horror !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In socialist America, children go to school and learn something useful, everyone has healthcare, the entire planet doesn't see the US as a meddling bully that resorts to violence to solve all of its problems, and technology is seen as an opportunity rather than a nuisance.
Oh, the horror!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29751531</id>
	<title>Re:Government Spending</title>
	<author>Stephenmg</author>
	<datestamp>1255524600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This sounds like a huge waste as well. Wonder who is pocketing the half that they aren't spending on the actual project. Sounds like a $600 toilet seat to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds like a huge waste as well .
Wonder who is pocketing the half that they are n't spending on the actual project .
Sounds like a $ 600 toilet seat to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds like a huge waste as well.
Wonder who is pocketing the half that they aren't spending on the actual project.
Sounds like a $600 toilet seat to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29752249</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong question.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255529820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm happy with a handout.  Where do I sign up to play with the cloud?  I've got connections.  I've worked at two of the companies they're throwing money at.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm happy with a handout .
Where do I sign up to play with the cloud ?
I 've got connections .
I 've worked at two of the companies they 're throwing money at .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm happy with a handout.
Where do I sign up to play with the cloud?
I've got connections.
I've worked at two of the companies they're throwing money at.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29749977</id>
	<title>Re:I assume this doesn't just include the cloud .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255514700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right probably includes<br>1) the cloud (i.e. all the equipment, 100GbE stuff isn't cheap)<br>2) the facility (that equipment has to be somewhere, even if it is a "cloud")<br>2a) that includes all the costs to run new utilities to the building, they don't just have buildings laying around ready to drop something like this in.<br>3) the power/cooling budget<br>4) manpower budget to set everything up<br>5) manpower budget to maintain and operate it</p><p>Plus it is the government so they will piss away a chunk of it.</p><p>It is always disheartening how many people have no clue what it really takes to pull off a large scale project, they think because they have a couple computers networked together in their basement it can't be that hard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right probably includes1 ) the cloud ( i.e .
all the equipment , 100GbE stuff is n't cheap ) 2 ) the facility ( that equipment has to be somewhere , even if it is a " cloud " ) 2a ) that includes all the costs to run new utilities to the building , they do n't just have buildings laying around ready to drop something like this in.3 ) the power/cooling budget4 ) manpower budget to set everything up5 ) manpower budget to maintain and operate itPlus it is the government so they will piss away a chunk of it.It is always disheartening how many people have no clue what it really takes to pull off a large scale project , they think because they have a couple computers networked together in their basement it ca n't be that hard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right probably includes1) the cloud (i.e.
all the equipment, 100GbE stuff isn't cheap)2) the facility (that equipment has to be somewhere, even if it is a "cloud")2a) that includes all the costs to run new utilities to the building, they don't just have buildings laying around ready to drop something like this in.3) the power/cooling budget4) manpower budget to set everything up5) manpower budget to maintain and operate itPlus it is the government so they will piss away a chunk of it.It is always disheartening how many people have no clue what it really takes to pull off a large scale project, they think because they have a couple computers networked together in their basement it can't be that hard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748545</id>
	<title>"What Kind of Cloud Computing Project Costs $32M?"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255551420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The kind where the company who receives the contract is located in a particular Representative's district.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The kind where the company who receives the contract is located in a particular Representative 's district .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The kind where the company who receives the contract is located in a particular Representative's district.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748609</id>
	<title>24th Post</title>
	<author>cadeon</author>
	<datestamp>1255551780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... the DOE stated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... the DOE stated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... the DOE stated.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29755679</id>
	<title>What a stupid post title.</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1255613940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'what kind of cloud computing project costs $32 mil' it says.</p><p>hell. even the bare costs of the number of servers that would be required to run a cloud of that size would amount to a goodly portion of that $32 mil. EVEN if you buy them in bulk. thats leaving out everything else including the datacenter setup, software, administrators, engineers, the team to create the project.</p><p>doh. i suppose cloud computing comes free, in the universe the article poster lives in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'what kind of cloud computing project costs $ 32 mil ' it says.hell .
even the bare costs of the number of servers that would be required to run a cloud of that size would amount to a goodly portion of that $ 32 mil .
EVEN if you buy them in bulk .
thats leaving out everything else including the datacenter setup , software , administrators , engineers , the team to create the project.doh .
i suppose cloud computing comes free , in the universe the article poster lives in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'what kind of cloud computing project costs $32 mil' it says.hell.
even the bare costs of the number of servers that would be required to run a cloud of that size would amount to a goodly portion of that $32 mil.
EVEN if you buy them in bulk.
thats leaving out everything else including the datacenter setup, software, administrators, engineers, the team to create the project.doh.
i suppose cloud computing comes free, in the universe the article poster lives in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748639</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong question.</title>
	<author>Elwood P Dowd</author>
	<datestamp>1255551900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't follow. Handouts are good. We are in a liquidity trap. We have massive unemployment and a 0\% interest rate. Perhaps cloud computing isn't what we should spend money on. However, the $32 million those people get for building cloud computing will very likely be spent on what those people should spend money on. Until we can raise interest rates (due to improved employment), you are either pro-government spending on crap like this, or you are a gold bug. And if you are a gold bug, you should *still* be in support of crap like this until we are either out of our liquidity trap, or we are on a gold standard. So what's the problem?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't follow .
Handouts are good .
We are in a liquidity trap .
We have massive unemployment and a 0 \ % interest rate .
Perhaps cloud computing is n't what we should spend money on .
However , the $ 32 million those people get for building cloud computing will very likely be spent on what those people should spend money on .
Until we can raise interest rates ( due to improved employment ) , you are either pro-government spending on crap like this , or you are a gold bug .
And if you are a gold bug , you should * still * be in support of crap like this until we are either out of our liquidity trap , or we are on a gold standard .
So what 's the problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't follow.
Handouts are good.
We are in a liquidity trap.
We have massive unemployment and a 0\% interest rate.
Perhaps cloud computing isn't what we should spend money on.
However, the $32 million those people get for building cloud computing will very likely be spent on what those people should spend money on.
Until we can raise interest rates (due to improved employment), you are either pro-government spending on crap like this, or you are a gold bug.
And if you are a gold bug, you should *still* be in support of crap like this until we are either out of our liquidity trap, or we are on a gold standard.
So what's the problem?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748839</id>
	<title>Is not cloud</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1255552620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>is smoke, and the project was titled "Burning 32 millons"</htmltext>
<tokenext>is smoke , and the project was titled " Burning 32 millons "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is smoke, and the project was titled "Burning 32 millons"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29750339</id>
	<title>Re:Salary</title>
	<author>SETIGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1255516500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Assuming $5M is hardware and purchased software, the remaining $27 million would get you about 150 FTE years at government salaries, benefits, and overhead rates.  Assuming  the project is 3 years in duration, that's 50 FTEs, which seems high for doing something of this scope.  Maybe they are planning to build a building to house it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Assuming $ 5M is hardware and purchased software , the remaining $ 27 million would get you about 150 FTE years at government salaries , benefits , and overhead rates .
Assuming the project is 3 years in duration , that 's 50 FTEs , which seems high for doing something of this scope .
Maybe they are planning to build a building to house it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Assuming $5M is hardware and purchased software, the remaining $27 million would get you about 150 FTE years at government salaries, benefits, and overhead rates.
Assuming  the project is 3 years in duration, that's 50 FTEs, which seems high for doing something of this scope.
Maybe they are planning to build a building to house it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29750533</id>
	<title>Stuff adds up</title>
	<author>travisb828</author>
	<datestamp>1255517640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most people see the 32 million dollar price tag and have this knee jerk reaction. They don't take into consideration the people they will have to pay, hardware, facilities, and all that other junk that goes into a large project.  I stopped getting all worked up when I learned that a project I worked on cost around 200 million.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people see the 32 million dollar price tag and have this knee jerk reaction .
They do n't take into consideration the people they will have to pay , hardware , facilities , and all that other junk that goes into a large project .
I stopped getting all worked up when I learned that a project I worked on cost around 200 million .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people see the 32 million dollar price tag and have this knee jerk reaction.
They don't take into consideration the people they will have to pay, hardware, facilities, and all that other junk that goes into a large project.
I stopped getting all worked up when I learned that a project I worked on cost around 200 million.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29752031</id>
	<title>A government one.</title>
	<author>bakemesomepie</author>
	<datestamp>1255528380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A government one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A government one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A government one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29751409</id>
	<title>A government one</title>
	<author>dirkdodgers</author>
	<datestamp>1255523460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's the answer. A government one does. That's what happens when you get to spend other people's money with no accountability to the market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the answer .
A government one does .
That 's what happens when you get to spend other people 's money with no accountability to the market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the answer.
A government one does.
That's what happens when you get to spend other people's money with no accountability to the market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748305</id>
	<title>Government Spending</title>
	<author>Swanktastic</author>
	<datestamp>1255550460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know, usually I'm against most government spending programs.  They tend to be a huge waste.</p><p>But this... It sounds interesting and could actually benefit basic research- something this country sorely needs to support.  My (perhaps incorrect) observation is that some groups like the DOE and DARPA tend to allocate funds to valuable research projects rather than pissing money away on terrible administrative database implementations.  I guess I should keep in mind that the majority of DOE funding is used to build and maintain our nuclear weapons fleet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , usually I 'm against most government spending programs .
They tend to be a huge waste.But this... It sounds interesting and could actually benefit basic research- something this country sorely needs to support .
My ( perhaps incorrect ) observation is that some groups like the DOE and DARPA tend to allocate funds to valuable research projects rather than pissing money away on terrible administrative database implementations .
I guess I should keep in mind that the majority of DOE funding is used to build and maintain our nuclear weapons fleet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, usually I'm against most government spending programs.
They tend to be a huge waste.But this... It sounds interesting and could actually benefit basic research- something this country sorely needs to support.
My (perhaps incorrect) observation is that some groups like the DOE and DARPA tend to allocate funds to valuable research projects rather than pissing money away on terrible administrative database implementations.
I guess I should keep in mind that the majority of DOE funding is used to build and maintain our nuclear weapons fleet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29749311</id>
	<title>Re:Just use boinc</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255511640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> BOINC doesn't work so well if the tasks need to download 10-20 GB of data and the actual applications running the job take up another 10GB of space and the jobs run full out on a system for 2-3 days while consuming 2GB of memory.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BOINC does n't work so well if the tasks need to download 10-20 GB of data and the actual applications running the job take up another 10GB of space and the jobs run full out on a system for 2-3 days while consuming 2GB of memory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> BOINC doesn't work so well if the tasks need to download 10-20 GB of data and the actual applications running the job take up another 10GB of space and the jobs run full out on a system for 2-3 days while consuming 2GB of memory.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29750753</id>
	<title>Re:It's Mushroom Cloud Research, not computer clou</title>
	<author>mhajicek</author>
	<datestamp>1255519140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, what they really want to do is build Skynet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , what they really want to do is build Skynet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, what they really want to do is build Skynet.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29749289</id>
	<title>Re:Government Spending</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255511520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most of the "waste" of government funded programs is caused by people doing their jobs properly.  There are different priorities in government work, is something reliable, safe, secure.  Most of the outrageous stories you hear about government waste are from contractors screwing the taxpayer, often with the complicity of corrupt politicians and not government employees.</p><p>In private industry the bottom line is money, money and money. So people cut corners and spend more effort on creating the illusion of reliability, safety and security rather than actually providing those things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the " waste " of government funded programs is caused by people doing their jobs properly .
There are different priorities in government work , is something reliable , safe , secure .
Most of the outrageous stories you hear about government waste are from contractors screwing the taxpayer , often with the complicity of corrupt politicians and not government employees.In private industry the bottom line is money , money and money .
So people cut corners and spend more effort on creating the illusion of reliability , safety and security rather than actually providing those things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the "waste" of government funded programs is caused by people doing their jobs properly.
There are different priorities in government work, is something reliable, safe, secure.
Most of the outrageous stories you hear about government waste are from contractors screwing the taxpayer, often with the complicity of corrupt politicians and not government employees.In private industry the bottom line is money, money and money.
So people cut corners and spend more effort on creating the illusion of reliability, safety and security rather than actually providing those things.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29750653</id>
	<title>Wohoa</title>
	<author>Jimbo 807</author>
	<datestamp>1255518540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>32 mil  !!!
Thats nuts</htmltext>
<tokenext>32 mil ! ! !
Thats nuts</tokentext>
<sentencetext>32 mil  !!!
Thats nuts</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29749107</id>
	<title>Re:Government Spending</title>
	<author>LWATCDR</author>
	<datestamp>1255553820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually this is very reasonable. They are building their own cloud instead of maintaining many departmental clusters.<br>The cost is to build their own cloud that can managed and probably secured.<br>That is why it costs so much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually this is very reasonable .
They are building their own cloud instead of maintaining many departmental clusters.The cost is to build their own cloud that can managed and probably secured.That is why it costs so much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually this is very reasonable.
They are building their own cloud instead of maintaining many departmental clusters.The cost is to build their own cloud that can managed and probably secured.That is why it costs so much.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748763</id>
	<title>It's Mushroom Cloud Research, not computer cloud</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255552320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the DOE.  They mainly work on nukes, and if they're experimenting with cloud computing, it's not because they're trying to do commercial or academic work into cloud computing, it's because they're trying to find powerful and cost-effective ways to get the computing horsepower they need to work on more nukes, just as when they work with supercomputers, it's not just because they're "Imagining what they can do with a Cray", it's because they're trying to solve problems that are really that big.</p><p>So, like, back off man, they're scientists!</p><p>Or don't back off,. because they're developing weapons as well as civilian power applications, but don't confuse tool-building with pork barrel.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the DOE .
They mainly work on nukes , and if they 're experimenting with cloud computing , it 's not because they 're trying to do commercial or academic work into cloud computing , it 's because they 're trying to find powerful and cost-effective ways to get the computing horsepower they need to work on more nukes , just as when they work with supercomputers , it 's not just because they 're " Imagining what they can do with a Cray " , it 's because they 're trying to solve problems that are really that big.So , like , back off man , they 're scientists ! Or do n't back off, .
because they 're developing weapons as well as civilian power applications , but do n't confuse tool-building with pork barrel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the DOE.
They mainly work on nukes, and if they're experimenting with cloud computing, it's not because they're trying to do commercial or academic work into cloud computing, it's because they're trying to find powerful and cost-effective ways to get the computing horsepower they need to work on more nukes, just as when they work with supercomputers, it's not just because they're "Imagining what they can do with a Cray", it's because they're trying to solve problems that are really that big.So, like, back off man, they're scientists!Or don't back off,.
because they're developing weapons as well as civilian power applications, but don't confuse tool-building with pork barrel.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29753547</id>
	<title>Re:$32 million?</title>
	<author>daveime</author>
	<datestamp>1255543860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I find it amusing that your solution to peace is to have bigger weapons and to fire them first, regardless of whether the "combatant" is perceived or actually there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it amusing that your solution to peace is to have bigger weapons and to fire them first , regardless of whether the " combatant " is perceived or actually there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it amusing that your solution to peace is to have bigger weapons and to fire them first, regardless of whether the "combatant" is perceived or actually there.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29749093</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748241</id>
	<title>oh oh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255550160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"The number of scientists who would benefit from mid-range computing far exceeds the amount of available resources, the DEO stated."</p></div><p>This sounds like one of those far-fetched statements that more realistically would be answered as "eleventy-billion."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" The number of scientists who would benefit from mid-range computing far exceeds the amount of available resources , the DEO stated .
" This sounds like one of those far-fetched statements that more realistically would be answered as " eleventy-billion .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The number of scientists who would benefit from mid-range computing far exceeds the amount of available resources, the DEO stated.
"This sounds like one of those far-fetched statements that more realistically would be answered as "eleventy-billion.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29750927</id>
	<title>To run recovery.gov website</title>
	<author>texas neuron</author>
	<datestamp>1255520040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess the 18 million dollar recovery.gov website needs a lot of horsepower to run. <br>
<a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/07/18m-being-spent-to-redesign-recoverygov-web-site.html" title="abcnews.com" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/07/18m-being-spent-to-redesign-recoverygov-web-site.html</a> [abcnews.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess the 18 million dollar recovery.gov website needs a lot of horsepower to run .
http : //blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/07/18m-being-spent-to-redesign-recoverygov-web-site.html [ abcnews.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess the 18 million dollar recovery.gov website needs a lot of horsepower to run.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2009/07/18m-being-spent-to-redesign-recoverygov-web-site.html [abcnews.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29752585</id>
	<title>my first answer to the original post..</title>
	<author>pjr.cc</author>
	<datestamp>1255532520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"a small one"....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" a small one " ... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"a small one"....</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29750649</id>
	<title>Re:In socialist America</title>
	<author>shadowofwind</author>
	<datestamp>1255518540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, socialism does not make the military industrial complex weaker.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , socialism does not make the military industrial complex weaker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, socialism does not make the military industrial complex weaker.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29749021</id>
	<title>Re:In socialist America</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255553460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and remember, kids: this thread was brought to you by a 40-year-old DARPA project.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and remember , kids : this thread was brought to you by a 40-year-old DARPA project .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and remember, kids: this thread was brought to you by a 40-year-old DARPA project.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748183</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29749093</id>
	<title>Re:$32 million?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255553760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and keep 25\% of your cynical peace-luvin' ass from being blown off by a napsack bomb on your morning mass transit event...</p><p>"I love the smell of dead Al Qaeda in the morning. It reminds me of... urban serenity."</p><p>- NYC</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and keep 25 \ % of your cynical peace-luvin ' ass from being blown off by a napsack bomb on your morning mass transit event... " I love the smell of dead Al Qaeda in the morning .
It reminds me of... urban serenity .
" - NYC</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and keep 25\% of your cynical peace-luvin' ass from being blown off by a napsack bomb on your morning mass transit event..."I love the smell of dead Al Qaeda in the morning.
It reminds me of... urban serenity.
"- NYC</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29752341</id>
	<title>How do we get there from here?</title>
	<author>rlglende</author>
	<datestamp>1255530480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We are a country who has been continuously at war for many years.  We spend more on national defense than all the other countries put together.  We have troops in 130 countries in the world.  We have treaties pledging to defend most of them.</p><p>We are deeply in debt, and project deficits &gt; $1T for years.</p><p>The majority of our Congress is owned by the military-intelligence-industrial complex, Wall Street, police agencies and the prison industry.</p><p>Money always can buy power, and otherwise power does what it wants.</p><p>So, the idea that we will have mere socialism is silly:  We have a fascist version.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We are a country who has been continuously at war for many years .
We spend more on national defense than all the other countries put together .
We have troops in 130 countries in the world .
We have treaties pledging to defend most of them.We are deeply in debt , and project deficits &gt; $ 1T for years.The majority of our Congress is owned by the military-intelligence-industrial complex , Wall Street , police agencies and the prison industry.Money always can buy power , and otherwise power does what it wants.So , the idea that we will have mere socialism is silly : We have a fascist version .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are a country who has been continuously at war for many years.
We spend more on national defense than all the other countries put together.
We have troops in 130 countries in the world.
We have treaties pledging to defend most of them.We are deeply in debt, and project deficits &gt; $1T for years.The majority of our Congress is owned by the military-intelligence-industrial complex, Wall Street, police agencies and the prison industry.Money always can buy power, and otherwise power does what it wants.So, the idea that we will have mere socialism is silly:  We have a fascist version.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29749487</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748723</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong question.</title>
	<author>megamerican</author>
	<datestamp>1255552200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The right question is who cares when the <a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/23231" title="nybooks.com">NSA is spending $2 billion</a> [nybooks.com] just on the structure for a building (1 million square feet big) to house computers which will do who knows what for signals intelligence. Not to mention another facility in San Antonio being built which will be the size of the Alomodome.</p><p>Let's not care about that but nitpick over something ~1\% the size and far less destructive to our liberties.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The right question is who cares when the NSA is spending $ 2 billion [ nybooks.com ] just on the structure for a building ( 1 million square feet big ) to house computers which will do who knows what for signals intelligence .
Not to mention another facility in San Antonio being built which will be the size of the Alomodome.Let 's not care about that but nitpick over something ~ 1 \ % the size and far less destructive to our liberties .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The right question is who cares when the NSA is spending $2 billion [nybooks.com] just on the structure for a building (1 million square feet big) to house computers which will do who knows what for signals intelligence.
Not to mention another facility in San Antonio being built which will be the size of the Alomodome.Let's not care about that but nitpick over something ~1\% the size and far less destructive to our liberties.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29749637</id>
	<title>the cloud jokes arent funny but the impending doom</title>
	<author>flahwho</author>
	<datestamp>1255513140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...is upon the clouds!
Sounds more like distributive computing rather than online storage/file hosting which is really all cloud computing will amount to</htmltext>
<tokenext>...is upon the clouds !
Sounds more like distributive computing rather than online storage/file hosting which is really all cloud computing will amount to</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...is upon the clouds!
Sounds more like distributive computing rather than online storage/file hosting which is really all cloud computing will amount to</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748555</id>
	<title>Salary</title>
	<author>Eharley</author>
	<datestamp>1255551480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I imagine a large portion of that cost are salaries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I imagine a large portion of that cost are salaries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I imagine a large portion of that cost are salaries.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748785</id>
	<title>Imagine</title>
	<author>Dorsai65</author>
	<datestamp>1255552380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> Beowulf cluster of....

</p><p>Oh, wait...

</p><p>Never mind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Beowulf cluster of... . Oh , wait.. . Never mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Beowulf cluster of....

Oh, wait...

Never mind.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748367</id>
	<title>Large Magellanic Cloud</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255550580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Clearly they're trying to create the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Large\_Magellanic\_Cloud" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Large Magellanic Cloud</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Clearly they 're trying to create the Large Magellanic Cloud [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Clearly they're trying to create the Large Magellanic Cloud [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29750871</id>
	<title>Re:In socialist America</title>
	<author>RichardJenkins</author>
	<datestamp>1255519680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You all still think the earth is less than 10,000 years old though, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You all still think the earth is less than 10,000 years old though , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You all still think the earth is less than 10,000 years old though, right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29750553</id>
	<title>Re:$32,000,000...</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1255517760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How much will the small city get from the center?</p><p>That's the question. It's not how much money they spend it's what value does it have compared to the money.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How much will the small city get from the center ? That 's the question .
It 's not how much money they spend it 's what value does it have compared to the money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much will the small city get from the center?That's the question.
It's not how much money they spend it's what value does it have compared to the money.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748753</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29753359</id>
	<title>Not that much, actually...</title>
	<author>tjstork</author>
	<datestamp>1255541100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>32M sounds like a giant chunk of change, but, its not even what gets spent on FireFox each year.</p><p>You figure a 50 man team of senior devs for a year, and I think that would pretty much do it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>32M sounds like a giant chunk of change , but , its not even what gets spent on FireFox each year.You figure a 50 man team of senior devs for a year , and I think that would pretty much do it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>32M sounds like a giant chunk of change, but, its not even what gets spent on FireFox each year.You figure a 50 man team of senior devs for a year, and I think that would pretty much do it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748357</id>
	<title>Repeat after me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255550520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The "cloud" does not exist.  It's a buzzword for client-server, nothing more.</p><p>Move along.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The " cloud " does not exist .
It 's a buzzword for client-server , nothing more.Move along .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "cloud" does not exist.
It's a buzzword for client-server, nothing more.Move along.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29749041</id>
	<title>What cloud project costs 32 M$?</title>
	<author>just fiddling around</author>
	<datestamp>1255553520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Easy:  the one where you are building the cloud.</p><p>Makes sense to me!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Easy : the one where you are building the cloud.Makes sense to me !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Easy:  the one where you are building the cloud.Makes sense to me!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29749137</id>
	<title>#irc.trolltalk.c0m</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255510800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>get how people can BSD had become le5son and the project 7o [nero-online.org] we all know, you're told. It's need to scream that They learn from our</htmltext>
<tokenext>get how people can BSD had become le5son and the project 7o [ nero-online.org ] we all know , you 're told .
It 's need to scream that They learn from our</tokentext>
<sentencetext>get how people can BSD had become le5son and the project 7o [nero-online.org] we all know, you're told.
It's need to scream that They learn from our</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29752303</id>
	<title>Re:In socialist America</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255530180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In socialist America, children go to school and learn something useful, everyone has healthcare, the entire planet doesn't see the US as a meddling bully that resorts to violence to solve all of its problems, and technology is seen as an opportunity rather than a nuisance. Oh, the horror!</p></div><p>Yes but the gov't doesn't insist that God exists and it's up to you to decide if you believe in him/her/it/them and you can decide how you want to worship.  Those nice intelligent healthy heathens will all go to Hell if they don't have God in their lives whether they want Him or Not.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In socialist America , children go to school and learn something useful , everyone has healthcare , the entire planet does n't see the US as a meddling bully that resorts to violence to solve all of its problems , and technology is seen as an opportunity rather than a nuisance .
Oh , the horror ! Yes but the gov't does n't insist that God exists and it 's up to you to decide if you believe in him/her/it/them and you can decide how you want to worship .
Those nice intelligent healthy heathens will all go to Hell if they do n't have God in their lives whether they want Him or Not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In socialist America, children go to school and learn something useful, everyone has healthcare, the entire planet doesn't see the US as a meddling bully that resorts to violence to solve all of its problems, and technology is seen as an opportunity rather than a nuisance.
Oh, the horror!Yes but the gov't doesn't insist that God exists and it's up to you to decide if you believe in him/her/it/them and you can decide how you want to worship.
Those nice intelligent healthy heathens will all go to Hell if they don't have God in their lives whether they want Him or Not.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29758695</id>
	<title>Re:The trouble with supercomputing</title>
	<author>starfishsystems</author>
	<datestamp>1255627200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>The trouble with supercomputing is that, if you have to share the thing, you don't need it.</i>
<br> <br>
You are misinformed.
<br> <br>
Most computer use, whether at a single workstation or a supercomputer cluster, is extremely bursty.  A given user wants rapid turnaround for any <i>particular</i> computation, but otherwise leaves the system completely idle.
<br> <br>
This condition explains the success of consortia like TeraGrid and WestGrid which make vast computational resources available to a large user population.  Those users could not possibly afford the cost to house, develop, and maintain equivalent facilities on their own, especially when they know that such facilities would be idle most of the time.
<br> <br>
It's also incorrect to claim that supercomputer clusters are based on custom hardware.  The classical Beowulf cluster is based on commodity hardware.  These clusters are commonplace.  Of course this situation doesn't prevent the development of more exotic systems for more specialized purposes, for example shared memory or vector processing architectures.  But again, these are much easier to justify when their resources can be shared across a community of users.
<br> <br>
Web farms generate a completely different usage pattern.  Most websites sustain a fairly steady load, or at least one which exhibits predictable, often diurnal, usage patterns that tend to balance out around the clock when serving a global client population.  Such patterns are several orders of magnitude less bursty than typical cluster computing jobs.  The resource management discipline is consequently very different between the two.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The trouble with supercomputing is that , if you have to share the thing , you do n't need it .
You are misinformed .
Most computer use , whether at a single workstation or a supercomputer cluster , is extremely bursty .
A given user wants rapid turnaround for any particular computation , but otherwise leaves the system completely idle .
This condition explains the success of consortia like TeraGrid and WestGrid which make vast computational resources available to a large user population .
Those users could not possibly afford the cost to house , develop , and maintain equivalent facilities on their own , especially when they know that such facilities would be idle most of the time .
It 's also incorrect to claim that supercomputer clusters are based on custom hardware .
The classical Beowulf cluster is based on commodity hardware .
These clusters are commonplace .
Of course this situation does n't prevent the development of more exotic systems for more specialized purposes , for example shared memory or vector processing architectures .
But again , these are much easier to justify when their resources can be shared across a community of users .
Web farms generate a completely different usage pattern .
Most websites sustain a fairly steady load , or at least one which exhibits predictable , often diurnal , usage patterns that tend to balance out around the clock when serving a global client population .
Such patterns are several orders of magnitude less bursty than typical cluster computing jobs .
The resource management discipline is consequently very different between the two .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The trouble with supercomputing is that, if you have to share the thing, you don't need it.
You are misinformed.
Most computer use, whether at a single workstation or a supercomputer cluster, is extremely bursty.
A given user wants rapid turnaround for any particular computation, but otherwise leaves the system completely idle.
This condition explains the success of consortia like TeraGrid and WestGrid which make vast computational resources available to a large user population.
Those users could not possibly afford the cost to house, develop, and maintain equivalent facilities on their own, especially when they know that such facilities would be idle most of the time.
It's also incorrect to claim that supercomputer clusters are based on custom hardware.
The classical Beowulf cluster is based on commodity hardware.
These clusters are commonplace.
Of course this situation doesn't prevent the development of more exotic systems for more specialized purposes, for example shared memory or vector processing architectures.
But again, these are much easier to justify when their resources can be shared across a community of users.
Web farms generate a completely different usage pattern.
Most websites sustain a fairly steady load, or at least one which exhibits predictable, often diurnal, usage patterns that tend to balance out around the clock when serving a global client population.
Such patterns are several orders of magnitude less bursty than typical cluster computing jobs.
The resource management discipline is consequently very different between the two.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748235</id>
	<title>Erm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255550160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the government.</p><p>What kind of [random project variable here] project costs less than $32m?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the government.What kind of [ random project variable here ] project costs less than $ 32m ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the government.What kind of [random project variable here] project costs less than $32m?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748577</id>
	<title>Re:In socialist America</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1255551600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or about $0.21 from every tax paying citizen. Once. My God....what a socialist hellscape!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or about $ 0.21 from every tax paying citizen .
Once. My God....what a socialist hellscape !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or about $0.21 from every tax paying citizen.
Once. My God....what a socialist hellscape!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748735</id>
	<title>Cloud Computing Joke</title>
	<author>Eric^2</author>
	<datestamp>1255552260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's the bright side of cloud computing?</p><p>When the cloud goes down, it's a bright and sunny day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the bright side of cloud computing ? When the cloud goes down , it 's a bright and sunny day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the bright side of cloud computing?When the cloud goes down, it's a bright and sunny day.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29765319</id>
	<title>Re:Wrong question.</title>
	<author>michaelhood</author>
	<datestamp>1255621020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The right question is who cares when the <a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/23231" title="nybooks.com">NSA is spending $2 billion</a> [nybooks.com] just on the structure for a building (1 million square feet big) to house computers which will do who knows what for signals intelligence. Not to mention another facility in San Antonio being built which will be the size of the Alomodome.</p><p>Let's not care about that but nitpick over something ~1\% the size and far less destructive to our liberties.</p></div><p><div class="quote"><p>Volume 56, Number 17  November 5, 2009</p></div><p>well, a book review from the future is a good enough source for me..</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The right question is who cares when the NSA is spending $ 2 billion [ nybooks.com ] just on the structure for a building ( 1 million square feet big ) to house computers which will do who knows what for signals intelligence .
Not to mention another facility in San Antonio being built which will be the size of the Alomodome.Let 's not care about that but nitpick over something ~ 1 \ % the size and far less destructive to our liberties.Volume 56 , Number 17 November 5 , 2009well , a book review from the future is a good enough source for me. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The right question is who cares when the NSA is spending $2 billion [nybooks.com] just on the structure for a building (1 million square feet big) to house computers which will do who knows what for signals intelligence.
Not to mention another facility in San Antonio being built which will be the size of the Alomodome.Let's not care about that but nitpick over something ~1\% the size and far less destructive to our liberties.Volume 56, Number 17  November 5, 2009well, a book review from the future is a good enough source for me..
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29750133</id>
	<title>Re:$32,000,000...</title>
	<author>lymond01</author>
	<datestamp>1255515480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not that basic research isn't a great thing, but a sports center, properly funded and located, generates income and doesn't need to be recycled every 3-4 years.</p><p>But I bet you'll find cheaper hot dogs at the Cloud Computing Center.  Or centre.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not that basic research is n't a great thing , but a sports center , properly funded and located , generates income and does n't need to be recycled every 3-4 years.But I bet you 'll find cheaper hot dogs at the Cloud Computing Center .
Or centre .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not that basic research isn't a great thing, but a sports center, properly funded and located, generates income and doesn't need to be recycled every 3-4 years.But I bet you'll find cheaper hot dogs at the Cloud Computing Center.
Or centre.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29749573</id>
	<title>Re:Government Spending</title>
	<author>antirelic</author>
	<datestamp>1255512900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your right on being against government spending programs. In fact, everything outside of maintaining national defense, diplomacy, and a few other well defined functions of federal (not national) government, are done so poorly that continuing to dump money into them is the definition of insanity. In fact, our Federal government is so bad at doing things its not suppose to do... that it cannot even do them within the frame of directly collected tax revenue (see deficit spending). For example, if we cut Social spending at a federal level (see the Constitution, reference Federalist 41 by Madison or Declaration 17 by Jefferson to dismiss the liberal myth about the "general welfare" clause)... we wouldnt need to borrow money anymore, and could start repaying the debt!!!</p><p>If there was such a great need for available cloud computing, why arent data centers popping up all over the place to support the need? 32 million dollars (equiv. to 6GBP or 10 Euro's) wont pay for more than salaries and the compete process.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your right on being against government spending programs .
In fact , everything outside of maintaining national defense , diplomacy , and a few other well defined functions of federal ( not national ) government , are done so poorly that continuing to dump money into them is the definition of insanity .
In fact , our Federal government is so bad at doing things its not suppose to do... that it can not even do them within the frame of directly collected tax revenue ( see deficit spending ) .
For example , if we cut Social spending at a federal level ( see the Constitution , reference Federalist 41 by Madison or Declaration 17 by Jefferson to dismiss the liberal myth about the " general welfare " clause ) ... we wouldnt need to borrow money anymore , and could start repaying the debt ! !
! If there was such a great need for available cloud computing , why arent data centers popping up all over the place to support the need ?
32 million dollars ( equiv .
to 6GBP or 10 Euro 's ) wont pay for more than salaries and the compete process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your right on being against government spending programs.
In fact, everything outside of maintaining national defense, diplomacy, and a few other well defined functions of federal (not national) government, are done so poorly that continuing to dump money into them is the definition of insanity.
In fact, our Federal government is so bad at doing things its not suppose to do... that it cannot even do them within the frame of directly collected tax revenue (see deficit spending).
For example, if we cut Social spending at a federal level (see the Constitution, reference Federalist 41 by Madison or Declaration 17 by Jefferson to dismiss the liberal myth about the "general welfare" clause)... we wouldnt need to borrow money anymore, and could start repaying the debt!!
!If there was such a great need for available cloud computing, why arent data centers popping up all over the place to support the need?
32 million dollars (equiv.
to 6GBP or 10 Euro's) wont pay for more than salaries and the compete process.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748183</id>
	<title>In socialist America</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255549920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hope changes you (and costs 32M)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hope changes you ( and costs 32M )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hope changes you (and costs 32M)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29751437</id>
	<title>I hate clouds and care bears!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255523760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I absoultely hate the term "cloud computing" .  The Internet has historically been referenced as a cloud in network diagrams since the dawn of time and the term itself is childish and conveys little meaning on its own.</p><p>Whatever happened to "grid computing" which at least sounded futurastic and had some specific technical meaning behind it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I absoultely hate the term " cloud computing " .
The Internet has historically been referenced as a cloud in network diagrams since the dawn of time and the term itself is childish and conveys little meaning on its own.Whatever happened to " grid computing " which at least sounded futurastic and had some specific technical meaning behind it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I absoultely hate the term "cloud computing" .
The Internet has historically been referenced as a cloud in network diagrams since the dawn of time and the term itself is childish and conveys little meaning on its own.Whatever happened to "grid computing" which at least sounded futurastic and had some specific technical meaning behind it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748797</id>
	<title>Re:In socialist America</title>
	<author>Ifni</author>
	<datestamp>1255552440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can I have $.21 from you? Just once, I promise. And no-one else is going to want the same, I assure you.</p><p>This is the same reasoning that allows $x.99 to be such a successful marketing ploy. Have you ever heard the phrase <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nickel+and+dime+so+to+death?jss=0" title="reference.com">nickel and dimed to death?</a> [reference.com] </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can I have $ .21 from you ?
Just once , I promise .
And no-one else is going to want the same , I assure you.This is the same reasoning that allows $ x.99 to be such a successful marketing ploy .
Have you ever heard the phrase nickel and dimed to death ?
[ reference.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can I have $.21 from you?
Just once, I promise.
And no-one else is going to want the same, I assure you.This is the same reasoning that allows $x.99 to be such a successful marketing ploy.
Have you ever heard the phrase nickel and dimed to death?
[reference.com] </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_14_1843206.29748905</id>
	<title>How about Air Traffic Control?</title>
	<author>DutchUncle</author>
	<datestamp>1255552920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>When the last ATC project failed disastrously, people were already playing online games over phone modems.  Now we have massively multiplayer games, with gigahertz hardware dedicated to each user (your PC, that is), and ATC is still being done on single mainframes.  Quick scan suggests six thousand planes in the air at a time over the US; let's call it ten thousand.   Dedicate a CPU to each plus some hierarchy of busy areas and regional control; allow $1000 per CPU/system (and its share of comm bandwidth); call it $10 million.  Sounds like an interesting project.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>When the last ATC project failed disastrously , people were already playing online games over phone modems .
Now we have massively multiplayer games , with gigahertz hardware dedicated to each user ( your PC , that is ) , and ATC is still being done on single mainframes .
Quick scan suggests six thousand planes in the air at a time over the US ; let 's call it ten thousand .
Dedicate a CPU to each plus some hierarchy of busy areas and regional control ; allow $ 1000 per CPU/system ( and its share of comm bandwidth ) ; call it $ 10 million .
Sounds like an interesting project .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When the last ATC project failed disastrously, people were already playing online games over phone modems.
Now we have massively multiplayer games, with gigahertz hardware dedicated to each user (your PC, that is), and ATC is still being done on single mainframes.
Quick scan suggests six thousand planes in the air at a time over the US; let's call it ten thousand.
Dedicate a CPU to each plus some hierarchy of busy areas and regional control; allow $1000 per CPU/system (and its share of comm bandwidth); call it $10 million.
Sounds like an interesting project.
:-)</sentencetext>
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