<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_10_13_131201</id>
	<title>New Jersey Outshines Most Others In Solar Energy</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1255438860000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader points out this CNBC story which says that <i>"New Jersey&mdash;known more for its turnpike, shopping malls and industrial sprawl&mdash;has <a href="http://www.cnbc.com/id/33233060">become a solar energy powerhouse</a>, outshining sunnier states like Hawaii and Nevada. And it's largely because of incentives that make it cheaper for residents and businesses to buy and install solar power systems."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader points out this CNBC story which says that " New Jersey    known more for its turnpike , shopping malls and industrial sprawl    has become a solar energy powerhouse , outshining sunnier states like Hawaii and Nevada .
And it 's largely because of incentives that make it cheaper for residents and businesses to buy and install solar power systems .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader points out this CNBC story which says that "New Jersey—known more for its turnpike, shopping malls and industrial sprawl—has become a solar energy powerhouse, outshining sunnier states like Hawaii and Nevada.
And it's largely because of incentives that make it cheaper for residents and businesses to buy and install solar power systems.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29731127</id>
	<title>Wholesale Ladys Fashion Nike Air Jordan woman Tru</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255444980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
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<tokenext>      Http : //www.tntshoes.com bis the wholesale for many kinds of fashion shoes , like the nike,jordan,prama,adidas , also including the jeans,shirts,bags,hat and the decorations .
All the products are free shipping , and the the price is competitive , and also can accept the paypal payment.,after the payment , can ship within short time .
  1 ) free shipping   2 ) competitive price   3 ) any size available   4 ) accept the paypal     OUR WEBSITE :                                                         YAHOO : shoppertrade @ yahoo.com.cn                                                                 MSN : shoppertrade @ hotmail.com                                                                   Http : //www.tntshoes.com</tokentext>
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      Http://www.tntshoes.com bis the wholesale for many kinds of fashion shoes, like the nike,jordan,prama,adidas, also including the jeans,shirts,bags,hat and the decorations.
All the products are free shipping, and the the price is competitive, and also can accept the paypal payment.,after the payment, can ship within short time.
  1)free shipping
  2)competitive price
  3)any size available
  4)accept the paypal
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                                                                MSN:shoppertrade@hotmail.com
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29731249</id>
	<title>Re:Carbon emissions sleep with the fishes</title>
	<author>MyLongNickName</author>
	<datestamp>1255445700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You realize that there is an upfront cost whether the state kicks in or not, right? Basically your argument is "this is not worthwhile for me to do, but it is worthwhile for other people to do it for me". If the overall cost of solar isn't worth it to you, then it is likely not an economically viable project.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You realize that there is an upfront cost whether the state kicks in or not , right ?
Basically your argument is " this is not worthwhile for me to do , but it is worthwhile for other people to do it for me " .
If the overall cost of solar is n't worth it to you , then it is likely not an economically viable project .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You realize that there is an upfront cost whether the state kicks in or not, right?
Basically your argument is "this is not worthwhile for me to do, but it is worthwhile for other people to do it for me".
If the overall cost of solar isn't worth it to you, then it is likely not an economically viable project.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29731639</id>
	<title>Re:Carbon emissions sleep with the fishes</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1255447860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>New Jerseyan here.</p><p>Just as much as you'd like your solar power incentives, I'd like your property taxes. Anywhere from $4,000 to upwards of $20,000 a year for a two floor, three bedroom home depending on where you live.</p><p>Granted it's still cheaper than what it would cost to rent such a place, but when you hear about triple digit property taxes in some places it really hurts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>New Jerseyan here.Just as much as you 'd like your solar power incentives , I 'd like your property taxes .
Anywhere from $ 4,000 to upwards of $ 20,000 a year for a two floor , three bedroom home depending on where you live.Granted it 's still cheaper than what it would cost to rent such a place , but when you hear about triple digit property taxes in some places it really hurts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New Jerseyan here.Just as much as you'd like your solar power incentives, I'd like your property taxes.
Anywhere from $4,000 to upwards of $20,000 a year for a two floor, three bedroom home depending on where you live.Granted it's still cheaper than what it would cost to rent such a place, but when you hear about triple digit property taxes in some places it really hurts.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29732415</id>
	<title>Re:Financing</title>
	<author>AvitarX</author>
	<datestamp>1255451280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except the 4\% HEL cost is going to dramatically cut into the savings from the solar power (perhaps this means the tech isn't ready).</p><p>If the state has the premise that they benefit (perhaps less capitol investing in infrastructure for example), it makes sense to subsidize to increase overall efficiency in the state (after-all the bank profit is likely far less local than saved money in state.  I am not saying it is right, simply that there are situations where the HEL is too expensive to allow for community good to be done.  If the solar is not a community good, then the subsidy is un-ethical.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except the 4 \ % HEL cost is going to dramatically cut into the savings from the solar power ( perhaps this means the tech is n't ready ) .If the state has the premise that they benefit ( perhaps less capitol investing in infrastructure for example ) , it makes sense to subsidize to increase overall efficiency in the state ( after-all the bank profit is likely far less local than saved money in state .
I am not saying it is right , simply that there are situations where the HEL is too expensive to allow for community good to be done .
If the solar is not a community good , then the subsidy is un-ethical .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except the 4\% HEL cost is going to dramatically cut into the savings from the solar power (perhaps this means the tech isn't ready).If the state has the premise that they benefit (perhaps less capitol investing in infrastructure for example), it makes sense to subsidize to increase overall efficiency in the state (after-all the bank profit is likely far less local than saved money in state.
I am not saying it is right, simply that there are situations where the HEL is too expensive to allow for community good to be done.
If the solar is not a community good, then the subsidy is un-ethical.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29731195</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29731897</id>
	<title>Macro economics not micro economics</title>
	<author>James McP</author>
	<datestamp>1255448940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You realize that all states subsidize businesses and utilities already, right?  Low interest loans, access to the bond market, tax deductions, heck, some companies get to keep all the sales tax they collect.</p><p>These kinds of things make sense at a scale that most people can't (or won't) think about. You can get an infrastructure built for less if you are willing to commit to funding a larger system over building multiple small systems.  Suppliers will lower prices on bulk orders or provide long-term price guarantees, much fewer lawyer fees from repeated negotiations, less time lost in negotiations which allows inflationary forces to increase costs, etc, etc.</p><p>So yes, the cost of this installation is subsidized by everyone else in NJ but everyone else will ultimately benefit by reductions (or lack of increases) in their power bills when infrastructure improvements are deferred or canceled entirely due to reduced load on the power system due to those subsidized installations.</p><p>This program is actually a "triple threat" scenario.  It 1) stimulates the economy since in general every $1 spent on a project actually gets spent multiple times.  2) It is a Capital improvements that lower costs and 3) it benefits the overall environment by lowering hydrocarbon emissions from coal plants.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You realize that all states subsidize businesses and utilities already , right ?
Low interest loans , access to the bond market , tax deductions , heck , some companies get to keep all the sales tax they collect.These kinds of things make sense at a scale that most people ca n't ( or wo n't ) think about .
You can get an infrastructure built for less if you are willing to commit to funding a larger system over building multiple small systems .
Suppliers will lower prices on bulk orders or provide long-term price guarantees , much fewer lawyer fees from repeated negotiations , less time lost in negotiations which allows inflationary forces to increase costs , etc , etc.So yes , the cost of this installation is subsidized by everyone else in NJ but everyone else will ultimately benefit by reductions ( or lack of increases ) in their power bills when infrastructure improvements are deferred or canceled entirely due to reduced load on the power system due to those subsidized installations.This program is actually a " triple threat " scenario .
It 1 ) stimulates the economy since in general every $ 1 spent on a project actually gets spent multiple times .
2 ) It is a Capital improvements that lower costs and 3 ) it benefits the overall environment by lowering hydrocarbon emissions from coal plants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You realize that all states subsidize businesses and utilities already, right?
Low interest loans, access to the bond market, tax deductions, heck, some companies get to keep all the sales tax they collect.These kinds of things make sense at a scale that most people can't (or won't) think about.
You can get an infrastructure built for less if you are willing to commit to funding a larger system over building multiple small systems.
Suppliers will lower prices on bulk orders or provide long-term price guarantees, much fewer lawyer fees from repeated negotiations, less time lost in negotiations which allows inflationary forces to increase costs, etc, etc.So yes, the cost of this installation is subsidized by everyone else in NJ but everyone else will ultimately benefit by reductions (or lack of increases) in their power bills when infrastructure improvements are deferred or canceled entirely due to reduced load on the power system due to those subsidized installations.This program is actually a "triple threat" scenario.
It 1) stimulates the economy since in general every $1 spent on a project actually gets spent multiple times.
2) It is a Capital improvements that lower costs and 3) it benefits the overall environment by lowering hydrocarbon emissions from coal plants.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29735953</id>
	<title>incentives</title>
	<author>Brandybuck</author>
	<datestamp>1255467120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If solar was efficient, there would be no need for incentives. The power itself would be an incentive. No way in heck am I spending tens of thousands of dollars on something that won't pay off for ten years or more. Even hybrid autos are better than that. Just say no to any technology that needs more lobbyists than engineers. Solar will be great in the future, but right now its just not ready for wide scale deployment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If solar was efficient , there would be no need for incentives .
The power itself would be an incentive .
No way in heck am I spending tens of thousands of dollars on something that wo n't pay off for ten years or more .
Even hybrid autos are better than that .
Just say no to any technology that needs more lobbyists than engineers .
Solar will be great in the future , but right now its just not ready for wide scale deployment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If solar was efficient, there would be no need for incentives.
The power itself would be an incentive.
No way in heck am I spending tens of thousands of dollars on something that won't pay off for ten years or more.
Even hybrid autos are better than that.
Just say no to any technology that needs more lobbyists than engineers.
Solar will be great in the future, but right now its just not ready for wide scale deployment.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29739269</id>
	<title>Great - another US-centric post</title>
	<author>Kittenman</author>
	<datestamp>1255438800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What would be the response if I posted something about, say, Eketehuna?
<p>
In other words - why is NJ outshining most others in solar energy news?  New Jersey's famous for not doing this sort of thing?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What would be the response if I posted something about , say , Eketehuna ?
In other words - why is NJ outshining most others in solar energy news ?
New Jersey 's famous for not doing this sort of thing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What would be the response if I posted something about, say, Eketehuna?
In other words - why is NJ outshining most others in solar energy news?
New Jersey's famous for not doing this sort of thing?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29732441</id>
	<title>Re:Macro economics not micro economics</title>
	<author>khallow</author>
	<datestamp>1255451400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This program is actually a "triple threat" scenario. It 1) stimulates the economy since in general every $1 spent on a project actually gets spent multiple times. 2) It is a Capital improvements that lower costs and 3) it benefits the overall environment by lowering hydrocarbon emissions from coal plants.</p></div><p>1) is a bogus point. That money could have been spent some other way, without government involvement, and probably have a greater effect (since the initial spending would coincide better with the interests of the person with the money and there'd be less government overhead) as a result. As for point 2), I don't believe the current slightly lower ongoing costs of solar power systems justifies the high initial costs. Point 3) has dubious value since no one can seem to put a rational number on how much hydrocarbon emissions really should cost. And it distorts the economy, by encouraging what would otherwise be unsound investments.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This program is actually a " triple threat " scenario .
It 1 ) stimulates the economy since in general every $ 1 spent on a project actually gets spent multiple times .
2 ) It is a Capital improvements that lower costs and 3 ) it benefits the overall environment by lowering hydrocarbon emissions from coal plants.1 ) is a bogus point .
That money could have been spent some other way , without government involvement , and probably have a greater effect ( since the initial spending would coincide better with the interests of the person with the money and there 'd be less government overhead ) as a result .
As for point 2 ) , I do n't believe the current slightly lower ongoing costs of solar power systems justifies the high initial costs .
Point 3 ) has dubious value since no one can seem to put a rational number on how much hydrocarbon emissions really should cost .
And it distorts the economy , by encouraging what would otherwise be unsound investments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This program is actually a "triple threat" scenario.
It 1) stimulates the economy since in general every $1 spent on a project actually gets spent multiple times.
2) It is a Capital improvements that lower costs and 3) it benefits the overall environment by lowering hydrocarbon emissions from coal plants.1) is a bogus point.
That money could have been spent some other way, without government involvement, and probably have a greater effect (since the initial spending would coincide better with the interests of the person with the money and there'd be less government overhead) as a result.
As for point 2), I don't believe the current slightly lower ongoing costs of solar power systems justifies the high initial costs.
Point 3) has dubious value since no one can seem to put a rational number on how much hydrocarbon emissions really should cost.
And it distorts the economy, by encouraging what would otherwise be unsound investments.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29732623</id>
	<title>NJ nicknames</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255452180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think that some people do not know why NJ is called "the armpit of America".  It's not just the smell of its refineries and chemical plants along the coast.  Look at its position on the map.</p><p>Most visitors just see the part of NJ along I95, missing the sections further inland which gave it the name "The Garden State".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that some people do not know why NJ is called " the armpit of America " .
It 's not just the smell of its refineries and chemical plants along the coast .
Look at its position on the map.Most visitors just see the part of NJ along I95 , missing the sections further inland which gave it the name " The Garden State " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that some people do not know why NJ is called "the armpit of America".
It's not just the smell of its refineries and chemical plants along the coast.
Look at its position on the map.Most visitors just see the part of NJ along I95, missing the sections further inland which gave it the name "The Garden State".</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29731867</id>
	<title>Re:Not solar panels...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255448820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>count it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>count it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>count it!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29730995</id>
	<title>Kills so many birds with one stone...</title>
	<author>Covalent</author>
	<datestamp>1255444200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Everyone is waiting for the silver bullet to fix our oil addiction, global warming, and our fragile electric grid.  This kind of approach does all three of those things.  By "incentivizing" solar power, you can make it cheap enough for John Q. Public to build you a distributed power grid.  Keep this up and you can start decommissioning your dirtiest power plants and use the funds you were going to use for new power plant construction for improving the grid or additional incentives.  The third aspect (global warming) doesn't get solved by this, but it gets reduced, and in theory if you do this enough you can start doing sequestration to actually reduce CO2 levels in the air.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone is waiting for the silver bullet to fix our oil addiction , global warming , and our fragile electric grid .
This kind of approach does all three of those things .
By " incentivizing " solar power , you can make it cheap enough for John Q. Public to build you a distributed power grid .
Keep this up and you can start decommissioning your dirtiest power plants and use the funds you were going to use for new power plant construction for improving the grid or additional incentives .
The third aspect ( global warming ) does n't get solved by this , but it gets reduced , and in theory if you do this enough you can start doing sequestration to actually reduce CO2 levels in the air .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone is waiting for the silver bullet to fix our oil addiction, global warming, and our fragile electric grid.
This kind of approach does all three of those things.
By "incentivizing" solar power, you can make it cheap enough for John Q. Public to build you a distributed power grid.
Keep this up and you can start decommissioning your dirtiest power plants and use the funds you were going to use for new power plant construction for improving the grid or additional incentives.
The third aspect (global warming) doesn't get solved by this, but it gets reduced, and in theory if you do this enough you can start doing sequestration to actually reduce CO2 levels in the air.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29730795</id>
	<title>That's great to hear</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255442760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's great to hear.</p><p>Too bad it's still New Jersey.</p><p>(I kid, I kid. I hail from Indiana, which I've heard people call "the armpit of America". I don't have room to talk.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's great to hear.Too bad it 's still New Jersey .
( I kid , I kid .
I hail from Indiana , which I 've heard people call " the armpit of America " .
I do n't have room to talk .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's great to hear.Too bad it's still New Jersey.
(I kid, I kid.
I hail from Indiana, which I've heard people call "the armpit of America".
I don't have room to talk.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29733669</id>
	<title>First in graft!</title>
	<author>nelsonal</author>
	<datestamp>1255457100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So we're wating cells that could be put to more productive use, because it allows connected people to cut their energy bills or gain status.  Sounds like NJ continues to lead in graft.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So we 're wating cells that could be put to more productive use , because it allows connected people to cut their energy bills or gain status .
Sounds like NJ continues to lead in graft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So we're wating cells that could be put to more productive use, because it allows connected people to cut their energy bills or gain status.
Sounds like NJ continues to lead in graft.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29733125</id>
	<title>knotbeerdan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255454580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to live in a rural area where solar or wind were the only power options that did not require fuel to produce power. Solar is more expensive than you would think. Aside from the batteries and inverter you are looking at the same price as a new pickup for solar panels. While i do think it is a good idea to use alternative sources of power i also think it should no be too expensive to be a reality</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to live in a rural area where solar or wind were the only power options that did not require fuel to produce power .
Solar is more expensive than you would think .
Aside from the batteries and inverter you are looking at the same price as a new pickup for solar panels .
While i do think it is a good idea to use alternative sources of power i also think it should no be too expensive to be a reality</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to live in a rural area where solar or wind were the only power options that did not require fuel to produce power.
Solar is more expensive than you would think.
Aside from the batteries and inverter you are looking at the same price as a new pickup for solar panels.
While i do think it is a good idea to use alternative sources of power i also think it should no be too expensive to be a reality</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29731791</id>
	<title>I'm From NJ...</title>
	<author>smitty777</author>
	<datestamp>1255448520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...I guess this article explains why my electricity bill is so high.  I pay 10 time more here than in any other state I've lived in.  Perhaps having so much free energy requires a lot of paperwork.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...I guess this article explains why my electricity bill is so high .
I pay 10 time more here than in any other state I 've lived in .
Perhaps having so much free energy requires a lot of paperwork .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...I guess this article explains why my electricity bill is so high.
I pay 10 time more here than in any other state I've lived in.
Perhaps having so much free energy requires a lot of paperwork.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29731735</id>
	<title>moD uP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255448280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">'Y0u see, even bunch of gay negros People already; I'm Pooper. Nothing please moderate are having trouble states that there</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>'Y0u see , even bunch of gay negros People already ; I 'm Pooper .
Nothing please moderate are having trouble states that there [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Y0u see, even bunch of gay negros People already; I'm Pooper.
Nothing please moderate are having trouble states that there [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29730829</id>
	<title>Carbon emissions sleep with the fishes</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1255443060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seriously, it would be nice if my state had something like this. The crazy high upfront costs are the only thing keeping me from installing solar panels myself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , it would be nice if my state had something like this .
The crazy high upfront costs are the only thing keeping me from installing solar panels myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, it would be nice if my state had something like this.
The crazy high upfront costs are the only thing keeping me from installing solar panels myself.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29733071</id>
	<title>Pump</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255454400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Incentives to install your own solar panels, but you can't pump your own gas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Incentives to install your own solar panels , but you ca n't pump your own gas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Incentives to install your own solar panels, but you can't pump your own gas.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29731017</id>
	<title>She said, "Kiss me where it smells . . ."</title>
	<author>PeeAitchPee</author>
	<datestamp>1255444320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>. . . so I took her to New Jersey.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>.
. .
so I took her to New Jersey .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.
. .
so I took her to New Jersey.
:-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29731377</id>
	<title>It's a SCAM!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255446540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't fall for it, its a scam. I live in NJ, there is no sun here. No sun in the winter, no sun in the summer. This summer, it's been raining almost every other day. They're better off spending the money on a western state and selling the electricity to them. And they're making us pay for the equipment with rate increases, so we're paying for the installation and the freely generated electricity.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't fall for it , its a scam .
I live in NJ , there is no sun here .
No sun in the winter , no sun in the summer .
This summer , it 's been raining almost every other day .
They 're better off spending the money on a western state and selling the electricity to them .
And they 're making us pay for the equipment with rate increases , so we 're paying for the installation and the freely generated electricity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't fall for it, its a scam.
I live in NJ, there is no sun here.
No sun in the winter, no sun in the summer.
This summer, it's been raining almost every other day.
They're better off spending the money on a western state and selling the electricity to them.
And they're making us pay for the equipment with rate increases, so we're paying for the installation and the freely generated electricity.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29731929</id>
	<title>Solar on my NJ house</title>
	<author>mydots</author>
	<datestamp>1255449060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I live in NJ and have a 7.8kW solar system on my roof.  I purchased it through Home Dept/BP Solar.  The state rebate covered about 65\% of the cost.  I only had to pay the other 35\% of the cost up front.  I applied for the system in 2005 and about 6 months later in April 2006 I had a working system on my roof.  I have been extremely happy with its performance especially since my roof faces pretty much directly south.  Not only do I save in electricity, I also get Solar Renewable Energy Credits that I can sell to help pay for my cost of the system.  An SREC is received for every 1000kWH of electricity generated.  My system generates about 9 SREC's per solar year.  The solar year begins in June and ends in May.  After it was installed I immediately purchased RS485 communcation boards for the two inverters and an RS232 to RS485 converter for a PC and runs the SunnyData software that continuously monitors the system.  It reads various data every 8 seconds and I use ssh/rsync to push it to a linux server every minute where I wrote some scripts to parse the data and create almost real time graphs of its performance.  For anyone interested, I setup my own domain mysolarenergysystem.com where you can view all the details about the system.    I also had the electric company replace my meter with a net meter, so each month on my bill I can see my exact in and out usage.  The net meter has what looks like a phone jack that can be used for remote monitoring.  I asked them about it because I wanted to connect it to my computer, but unfortunately they didn't give me much of an answer except that its not used, but would have been nice to monitor and graph daily statistics for that as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in NJ and have a 7.8kW solar system on my roof .
I purchased it through Home Dept/BP Solar .
The state rebate covered about 65 \ % of the cost .
I only had to pay the other 35 \ % of the cost up front .
I applied for the system in 2005 and about 6 months later in April 2006 I had a working system on my roof .
I have been extremely happy with its performance especially since my roof faces pretty much directly south .
Not only do I save in electricity , I also get Solar Renewable Energy Credits that I can sell to help pay for my cost of the system .
An SREC is received for every 1000kWH of electricity generated .
My system generates about 9 SREC 's per solar year .
The solar year begins in June and ends in May .
After it was installed I immediately purchased RS485 communcation boards for the two inverters and an RS232 to RS485 converter for a PC and runs the SunnyData software that continuously monitors the system .
It reads various data every 8 seconds and I use ssh/rsync to push it to a linux server every minute where I wrote some scripts to parse the data and create almost real time graphs of its performance .
For anyone interested , I setup my own domain mysolarenergysystem.com where you can view all the details about the system .
I also had the electric company replace my meter with a net meter , so each month on my bill I can see my exact in and out usage .
The net meter has what looks like a phone jack that can be used for remote monitoring .
I asked them about it because I wanted to connect it to my computer , but unfortunately they did n't give me much of an answer except that its not used , but would have been nice to monitor and graph daily statistics for that as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in NJ and have a 7.8kW solar system on my roof.
I purchased it through Home Dept/BP Solar.
The state rebate covered about 65\% of the cost.
I only had to pay the other 35\% of the cost up front.
I applied for the system in 2005 and about 6 months later in April 2006 I had a working system on my roof.
I have been extremely happy with its performance especially since my roof faces pretty much directly south.
Not only do I save in electricity, I also get Solar Renewable Energy Credits that I can sell to help pay for my cost of the system.
An SREC is received for every 1000kWH of electricity generated.
My system generates about 9 SREC's per solar year.
The solar year begins in June and ends in May.
After it was installed I immediately purchased RS485 communcation boards for the two inverters and an RS232 to RS485 converter for a PC and runs the SunnyData software that continuously monitors the system.
It reads various data every 8 seconds and I use ssh/rsync to push it to a linux server every minute where I wrote some scripts to parse the data and create almost real time graphs of its performance.
For anyone interested, I setup my own domain mysolarenergysystem.com where you can view all the details about the system.
I also had the electric company replace my meter with a net meter, so each month on my bill I can see my exact in and out usage.
The net meter has what looks like a phone jack that can be used for remote monitoring.
I asked them about it because I wanted to connect it to my computer, but unfortunately they didn't give me much of an answer except that its not used, but would have been nice to monitor and graph daily statistics for that as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29736599</id>
	<title>NJ is famous for</title>
	<author>DaveGod</author>
	<datestamp>1255426560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"New Jersey&mdash;known more for its turnpike, shopping malls and industrial sprawl</p></div></blockquote><p>Well yes that stuff is in the intro but NJ is most famous for the Sopranos. </p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" New Jersey    known more for its turnpike , shopping malls and industrial sprawlWell yes that stuff is in the intro but NJ is most famous for the Sopranos .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"New Jersey—known more for its turnpike, shopping malls and industrial sprawlWell yes that stuff is in the intro but NJ is most famous for the Sopranos. 
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29733413</id>
	<title>Re:Carbon emissions sleep with the fishes</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1255455900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know where you live, but the last time I looked into it, a system installed here ran well over $20k. If there is a legitimate business that will install one for $7.5k, I'd love to hear about it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know where you live , but the last time I looked into it , a system installed here ran well over $ 20k .
If there is a legitimate business that will install one for $ 7.5k , I 'd love to hear about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know where you live, but the last time I looked into it, a system installed here ran well over $20k.
If there is a legitimate business that will install one for $7.5k, I'd love to hear about it.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29731557</id>
	<title>Ocean City, NJ solar project</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255447500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Solar power in the Soprano State<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... Ocean City has a solar project that cost $4.5 Million and it is generating almost $50k/year in electricity.  It will only take about 150 years to beak even assuming no maintenance costs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Solar power in the Soprano State .... Ocean City has a solar project that cost $ 4.5 Million and it is generating almost $ 50k/year in electricity .
It will only take about 150 years to beak even assuming no maintenance costs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Solar power in the Soprano State .... Ocean City has a solar project that cost $4.5 Million and it is generating almost $50k/year in electricity.
It will only take about 150 years to beak even assuming no maintenance costs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29732025</id>
	<title>Re:Carbon emissions sleep with the fishes</title>
	<author>tmosley</author>
	<datestamp>1255449480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>What are you talking about?  You can get a full 2 kilowatt system with a 2.5 kW grid tie inverter for about $7,500 installed.  That's pre tax credit.  You get the cells <a href="http://sunelec.com/index.php?main\_page=index&amp;cPath=5&amp;sort=20a&amp;page=1" title="sunelec.com">here.</a> [sunelec.com]  These start as low as $2/watt, but the cheapest in stock right now is $2.40 ($4800).  Add the grid tie inverter, available <a href="http://www.altersystems.com/catalog/gridtie-inverters-fronius-inverters-c-1\_177\_6.html?gclid=CP\_l2aCjup0CFRHxDAodVjqpig" title="altersystems.com">here</a> [altersystems.com] on sale for $1825.  That's $6625.  You should have no problem finding someone to instal the whole thing for $1000.  That ought to be enough of a system for most people, assuming they use gas or heating oil for heat in the winter.  You should build up a high enough balance over the year to run A/C in the summer without difficulty.<br> <br>

I'm going to be setting up such a system within a year or so, once I move into my new house.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What are you talking about ?
You can get a full 2 kilowatt system with a 2.5 kW grid tie inverter for about $ 7,500 installed .
That 's pre tax credit .
You get the cells here .
[ sunelec.com ] These start as low as $ 2/watt , but the cheapest in stock right now is $ 2.40 ( $ 4800 ) .
Add the grid tie inverter , available here [ altersystems.com ] on sale for $ 1825 .
That 's $ 6625 .
You should have no problem finding someone to instal the whole thing for $ 1000 .
That ought to be enough of a system for most people , assuming they use gas or heating oil for heat in the winter .
You should build up a high enough balance over the year to run A/C in the summer without difficulty .
I 'm going to be setting up such a system within a year or so , once I move into my new house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are you talking about?
You can get a full 2 kilowatt system with a 2.5 kW grid tie inverter for about $7,500 installed.
That's pre tax credit.
You get the cells here.
[sunelec.com]  These start as low as $2/watt, but the cheapest in stock right now is $2.40 ($4800).
Add the grid tie inverter, available here [altersystems.com] on sale for $1825.
That's $6625.
You should have no problem finding someone to instal the whole thing for $1000.
That ought to be enough of a system for most people, assuming they use gas or heating oil for heat in the winter.
You should build up a high enough balance over the year to run A/C in the summer without difficulty.
I'm going to be setting up such a system within a year or so, once I move into my new house.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29731313</id>
	<title>As a NJ resident and tax payer...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255446180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... I'm so glad I get to subsidize other people's solar panels... which if you account for manufacturing costs, upkeep costs, resale prices, lifetime, etc. it really doesn't make any sense economically or environmentally to use current solar panel technology. That's the very reason the politicians feel it must be subsidized.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... I 'm so glad I get to subsidize other people 's solar panels... which if you account for manufacturing costs , upkeep costs , resale prices , lifetime , etc .
it really does n't make any sense economically or environmentally to use current solar panel technology .
That 's the very reason the politicians feel it must be subsidized .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... I'm so glad I get to subsidize other people's solar panels... which if you account for manufacturing costs, upkeep costs, resale prices, lifetime, etc.
it really doesn't make any sense economically or environmentally to use current solar panel technology.
That's the very reason the politicians feel it must be subsidized.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29735155</id>
	<title>Louisiana has a 50\% Refundable Tax Credit</title>
	<author>Yoda2</author>
	<datestamp>1255463700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Louisiana also has a very aggressive tax credit program.  It is capped at 50\% of a 25k system (12.5k), but you can install multiple systems to offset your average usage.
<p>
More info at the <a href="http://lses.org/" title="lses.org">Louisiana Solar Energy Society</a> [lses.org].
</p><p>
We just installed a 4.6kW grid-tie system using Enphase microinverters. Its the 2nd "working system" shown on the LSES site.
</p><p>
I'll probably regret sharing this on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/., but a group called RBS also filmed a short "documentary" of us installing &amp; explaining the system for the local public access station.  If you really have nothing better to do for the next 17 minutes, it can be seen on the <a href="http://rbs100.com/movies/" title="rbs100.com">Rural Broadcasting Service</a> [rbs100.com] site under "Solarcentric"  Be forewarned that it was very much unscripted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Louisiana also has a very aggressive tax credit program .
It is capped at 50 \ % of a 25k system ( 12.5k ) , but you can install multiple systems to offset your average usage .
More info at the Louisiana Solar Energy Society [ lses.org ] .
We just installed a 4.6kW grid-tie system using Enphase microinverters .
Its the 2nd " working system " shown on the LSES site .
I 'll probably regret sharing this on /. , but a group called RBS also filmed a short " documentary " of us installing &amp; explaining the system for the local public access station .
If you really have nothing better to do for the next 17 minutes , it can be seen on the Rural Broadcasting Service [ rbs100.com ] site under " Solarcentric " Be forewarned that it was very much unscripted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Louisiana also has a very aggressive tax credit program.
It is capped at 50\% of a 25k system (12.5k), but you can install multiple systems to offset your average usage.
More info at the Louisiana Solar Energy Society [lses.org].
We just installed a 4.6kW grid-tie system using Enphase microinverters.
Its the 2nd "working system" shown on the LSES site.
I'll probably regret sharing this on /., but a group called RBS also filmed a short "documentary" of us installing &amp; explaining the system for the local public access station.
If you really have nothing better to do for the next 17 minutes, it can be seen on the Rural Broadcasting Service [rbs100.com] site under "Solarcentric"  Be forewarned that it was very much unscripted.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29740309</id>
	<title>Re:Solar on my NJ house</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255447320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>kudos to you, good job!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>kudos to you , good job !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>kudos to you, good job!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29731195</id>
	<title>Financing</title>
	<author>bkaul01</author>
	<datestamp>1255445400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't it be great if someone came up with a way to take advantage of the value of your house to allow you to pay for improvements over time? We could call it a "home equity loan"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Seriously, I don't see the need for the state to subsidize home improvements, <i>especially</i> ones that will provide an economic benefit to the home owner over time.</p><p>What I don't get is why these features aren't more popular on new builds: at that stage, the added cost is minimized and will naturally be included in the buyer's mortgage and thus paid for over time.  Maybe not always solar per se, but new homes built with insulated concrete forms and having geothermal-heatsink HVAC systems installed when the foundation is dug are becoming quite price competitive with traditional "stick-built" homes (dramatically reduced labor costs offset the increased material costs, or so I hear from a friend who's a home builder).  The solar roof would still be a bit of an upgrade, but the energy bills are so much lower that the extra cost of such houses can be quickly recovered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't it be great if someone came up with a way to take advantage of the value of your house to allow you to pay for improvements over time ?
We could call it a " home equity loan " ... Seriously , I do n't see the need for the state to subsidize home improvements , especially ones that will provide an economic benefit to the home owner over time.What I do n't get is why these features are n't more popular on new builds : at that stage , the added cost is minimized and will naturally be included in the buyer 's mortgage and thus paid for over time .
Maybe not always solar per se , but new homes built with insulated concrete forms and having geothermal-heatsink HVAC systems installed when the foundation is dug are becoming quite price competitive with traditional " stick-built " homes ( dramatically reduced labor costs offset the increased material costs , or so I hear from a friend who 's a home builder ) .
The solar roof would still be a bit of an upgrade , but the energy bills are so much lower that the extra cost of such houses can be quickly recovered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't it be great if someone came up with a way to take advantage of the value of your house to allow you to pay for improvements over time?
We could call it a "home equity loan" ... Seriously, I don't see the need for the state to subsidize home improvements, especially ones that will provide an economic benefit to the home owner over time.What I don't get is why these features aren't more popular on new builds: at that stage, the added cost is minimized and will naturally be included in the buyer's mortgage and thus paid for over time.
Maybe not always solar per se, but new homes built with insulated concrete forms and having geothermal-heatsink HVAC systems installed when the foundation is dug are becoming quite price competitive with traditional "stick-built" homes (dramatically reduced labor costs offset the increased material costs, or so I hear from a friend who's a home builder).
The solar roof would still be a bit of an upgrade, but the energy bills are so much lower that the extra cost of such houses can be quickly recovered.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29734053</id>
	<title>One issue in NJ</title>
	<author>The Second Horseman</author>
	<datestamp>1255458600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have a few towns with municipal power utilities - you generally pay less for electricity, but the local utility run by the town doesn't really want to buy power back from you, nor do they want to make it easy for you to not buy power from them. It's a way of defraying municipal expenses and (in the case of not-for-profit institutions like churches and schools) a way to generate revenue from tax-exempt organizations that wouldn't be paying property taxes. Basically, they buy power in bulk with long-term contracts and then mark it up, but not as much as the larger utility companies do in the rest of the state.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have a few towns with municipal power utilities - you generally pay less for electricity , but the local utility run by the town does n't really want to buy power back from you , nor do they want to make it easy for you to not buy power from them .
It 's a way of defraying municipal expenses and ( in the case of not-for-profit institutions like churches and schools ) a way to generate revenue from tax-exempt organizations that would n't be paying property taxes .
Basically , they buy power in bulk with long-term contracts and then mark it up , but not as much as the larger utility companies do in the rest of the state .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have a few towns with municipal power utilities - you generally pay less for electricity, but the local utility run by the town doesn't really want to buy power back from you, nor do they want to make it easy for you to not buy power from them.
It's a way of defraying municipal expenses and (in the case of not-for-profit institutions like churches and schools) a way to generate revenue from tax-exempt organizations that wouldn't be paying property taxes.
Basically, they buy power in bulk with long-term contracts and then mark it up, but not as much as the larger utility companies do in the rest of the state.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29731409</id>
	<title>Technically...</title>
	<author>jmerlin</author>
	<datestamp>1255446720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>wouldn't it be out-absorbs?  Or out-sucks?  Or just.. sucks more?</htmltext>
<tokenext>would n't it be out-absorbs ?
Or out-sucks ?
Or just.. sucks more ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wouldn't it be out-absorbs?
Or out-sucks?
Or just.. sucks more?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29733213</id>
	<title>You've made an error here</title>
	<author>sean.peters</author>
	<datestamp>1255454940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>You realize that there is an upfront cost whether the state kicks in or not, right? Basically your argument is "this is not worthwhile for me to do, but it is worthwhile for other people to do it for me". If the overall cost of solar isn't worth it to you, then it is likely not an economically viable project.</p></div></blockquote><p>"The upfront costs are too high" != "this project is not economically viable". There are plenty of activities (including solar power) that pay off in the long term, but are nonetheless too expensive to pay for upfront. Did you get a degree? Did you pay for it all upfront or did you get loans, Pell Grants, or cash from mom and dad? Did it pay off in the form of higher lifetime income?</p><p>Getting a subsidy to overcome this kind of thing, particularly in cases like this where there are substantial positive externalities (pollution reduction, energy security, etc) is EXACTLY the kind of thing the government should be doing.</p></div>
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<tokenext>You realize that there is an upfront cost whether the state kicks in or not , right ?
Basically your argument is " this is not worthwhile for me to do , but it is worthwhile for other people to do it for me " .
If the overall cost of solar is n't worth it to you , then it is likely not an economically viable project .
" The upfront costs are too high " ! = " this project is not economically viable " .
There are plenty of activities ( including solar power ) that pay off in the long term , but are nonetheless too expensive to pay for upfront .
Did you get a degree ?
Did you pay for it all upfront or did you get loans , Pell Grants , or cash from mom and dad ?
Did it pay off in the form of higher lifetime income ? Getting a subsidy to overcome this kind of thing , particularly in cases like this where there are substantial positive externalities ( pollution reduction , energy security , etc ) is EXACTLY the kind of thing the government should be doing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You realize that there is an upfront cost whether the state kicks in or not, right?
Basically your argument is "this is not worthwhile for me to do, but it is worthwhile for other people to do it for me".
If the overall cost of solar isn't worth it to you, then it is likely not an economically viable project.
"The upfront costs are too high" != "this project is not economically viable".
There are plenty of activities (including solar power) that pay off in the long term, but are nonetheless too expensive to pay for upfront.
Did you get a degree?
Did you pay for it all upfront or did you get loans, Pell Grants, or cash from mom and dad?
Did it pay off in the form of higher lifetime income?Getting a subsidy to overcome this kind of thing, particularly in cases like this where there are substantial positive externalities (pollution reduction, energy security, etc) is EXACTLY the kind of thing the government should be doing.
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	<title>Re:Carbon emissions sleep with the fishes</title>
	<author>JWSmythe</author>
	<datestamp>1255447620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Many states have some sort of incentive.  Unfortunately, most of them disallow you doing it yourself.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; We had worked it out to be affordable, between state and federal incentives a good grid tied solar install could free.  I had intended to set up a business to sell and install grid tied solar systems, where we would "finance" the cost until the incentives were paid.  That way, everyone would win.  People would get solar systems on their homes.  They would help save the environment.  It wouldn't cost the end user anything.  We would make a little bit for doing the install, and everyone would be happy.</p><p>
&nbsp; Unfortunately, the harsh reality didn't match the ideal scenario.  We could do the install.  We would have to find bank financing for the initial overhead of financing the installed equipment, which was very likely to happen.  The government was the end of it though.  To get the government incentives, you had to be an officially sanctioned solar install contractor.  There weren't just a practical set of rules, there were huge hoops to jump through to be an officially sanctioned contractor.  It eliminated any startup small business from getting into this new industry.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Almost, if not all, of the incentives go out the window if you do it yourself, or have anyone but a specialist installer do it for you.  For a lot of the folks who would read a site like this, we're screwed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>    Many states have some sort of incentive .
Unfortunately , most of them disallow you doing it yourself .
    We had worked it out to be affordable , between state and federal incentives a good grid tied solar install could free .
I had intended to set up a business to sell and install grid tied solar systems , where we would " finance " the cost until the incentives were paid .
That way , everyone would win .
People would get solar systems on their homes .
They would help save the environment .
It would n't cost the end user anything .
We would make a little bit for doing the install , and everyone would be happy .
  Unfortunately , the harsh reality did n't match the ideal scenario .
We could do the install .
We would have to find bank financing for the initial overhead of financing the installed equipment , which was very likely to happen .
The government was the end of it though .
To get the government incentives , you had to be an officially sanctioned solar install contractor .
There were n't just a practical set of rules , there were huge hoops to jump through to be an officially sanctioned contractor .
It eliminated any startup small business from getting into this new industry .
    Almost , if not all , of the incentives go out the window if you do it yourself , or have anyone but a specialist installer do it for you .
For a lot of the folks who would read a site like this , we 're screwed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
    Many states have some sort of incentive.
Unfortunately, most of them disallow you doing it yourself.
    We had worked it out to be affordable, between state and federal incentives a good grid tied solar install could free.
I had intended to set up a business to sell and install grid tied solar systems, where we would "finance" the cost until the incentives were paid.
That way, everyone would win.
People would get solar systems on their homes.
They would help save the environment.
It wouldn't cost the end user anything.
We would make a little bit for doing the install, and everyone would be happy.
  Unfortunately, the harsh reality didn't match the ideal scenario.
We could do the install.
We would have to find bank financing for the initial overhead of financing the installed equipment, which was very likely to happen.
The government was the end of it though.
To get the government incentives, you had to be an officially sanctioned solar install contractor.
There weren't just a practical set of rules, there were huge hoops to jump through to be an officially sanctioned contractor.
It eliminated any startup small business from getting into this new industry.
    Almost, if not all, of the incentives go out the window if you do it yourself, or have anyone but a specialist installer do it for you.
For a lot of the folks who would read a site like this, we're screwed.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29732479</id>
	<title>bad for the environment</title>
	<author>mikeee</author>
	<datestamp>1255451520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right now, every solar-panel production facility on the planet is supply constrained.  Therefore, what NJ is doing is paying extra money to ensure that solar panels are installed in NJ, rather than in, say, Arizona, where they actually make sense without massive incentives and produce three times as much power.</p><p>Why does New Jersey hate polar bears?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right now , every solar-panel production facility on the planet is supply constrained .
Therefore , what NJ is doing is paying extra money to ensure that solar panels are installed in NJ , rather than in , say , Arizona , where they actually make sense without massive incentives and produce three times as much power.Why does New Jersey hate polar bears ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right now, every solar-panel production facility on the planet is supply constrained.
Therefore, what NJ is doing is paying extra money to ensure that solar panels are installed in NJ, rather than in, say, Arizona, where they actually make sense without massive incentives and produce three times as much power.Why does New Jersey hate polar bears?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29731109</id>
	<title>Nonsense, the endgame is the same though . . .</title>
	<author>228e2</author>
	<datestamp>1255444860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Would never happen in Maryland . . . BGE enjoys fucking me sideways every month.

Why would states like mine, who dont charge you by kW used, but instead average your usage with everyone in your apartment complex and bill you all the same, do this?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would never happen in Maryland .
. .
BGE enjoys fucking me sideways every month .
Why would states like mine , who dont charge you by kW used , but instead average your usage with everyone in your apartment complex and bill you all the same , do this ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would never happen in Maryland .
. .
BGE enjoys fucking me sideways every month.
Why would states like mine, who dont charge you by kW used, but instead average your usage with everyone in your apartment complex and bill you all the same, do this?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29756003</id>
	<title>Re:Solar on my NJ house</title>
	<author>QuantumRiff</author>
	<datestamp>1255615860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your site is very interesting, thank you for the link.  I wish more people/sites had this kind of data.  In my area, solar is not nearly as "incentivized" and I keep wondering if it is doable.  Unfortunately, I have had a hard time finding real world data from people in my area, I would love to see what a 2KW array would actually produce, over 1 year in my part of Wisconsin.</p><p>I know there are lots of variables, but it would be nice if more people had a site like yours.  (I know google is working on smart meters, but that is really limited on where it works)..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your site is very interesting , thank you for the link .
I wish more people/sites had this kind of data .
In my area , solar is not nearly as " incentivized " and I keep wondering if it is doable .
Unfortunately , I have had a hard time finding real world data from people in my area , I would love to see what a 2KW array would actually produce , over 1 year in my part of Wisconsin.I know there are lots of variables , but it would be nice if more people had a site like yours .
( I know google is working on smart meters , but that is really limited on where it works ) . .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your site is very interesting, thank you for the link.
I wish more people/sites had this kind of data.
In my area, solar is not nearly as "incentivized" and I keep wondering if it is doable.
Unfortunately, I have had a hard time finding real world data from people in my area, I would love to see what a 2KW array would actually produce, over 1 year in my part of Wisconsin.I know there are lots of variables, but it would be nice if more people had a site like yours.
(I know google is working on smart meters, but that is really limited on where it works)..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29734137</id>
	<title>[cough]Recycling[/cough]</title>
	<author>Mr.Fork</author>
	<datestamp>1255458960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>So, who's going to recycle the thousands of tons of outdated and broken solar panels?  Currently, there is 0\% recycling of these devices - they're pretty much garbage dump fodder right now.  Not to mention the tonnes of emmissions used to make these solar panels vs other conventional methods - I think per KW produced to make a panel, isn't it still better for the environment to burn coal?<br> <br>It really ticks me off that there's all these incentives for alternative energy sources when the manufacturing of these devices and then the landfill waste they create when they're done is never really brought into the equations.  Is it a push just for business to buy more junk?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , who 's going to recycle the thousands of tons of outdated and broken solar panels ?
Currently , there is 0 \ % recycling of these devices - they 're pretty much garbage dump fodder right now .
Not to mention the tonnes of emmissions used to make these solar panels vs other conventional methods - I think per KW produced to make a panel , is n't it still better for the environment to burn coal ?
It really ticks me off that there 's all these incentives for alternative energy sources when the manufacturing of these devices and then the landfill waste they create when they 're done is never really brought into the equations .
Is it a push just for business to buy more junk ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, who's going to recycle the thousands of tons of outdated and broken solar panels?
Currently, there is 0\% recycling of these devices - they're pretty much garbage dump fodder right now.
Not to mention the tonnes of emmissions used to make these solar panels vs other conventional methods - I think per KW produced to make a panel, isn't it still better for the environment to burn coal?
It really ticks me off that there's all these incentives for alternative energy sources when the manufacturing of these devices and then the landfill waste they create when they're done is never really brought into the equations.
Is it a push just for business to buy more junk?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29731603</id>
	<title>I live in NJ</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255447680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>And it is a shithole... Solar panels won't help stop drug dealers or corrupt politicians.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And it is a shithole... Solar panels wo n't help stop drug dealers or corrupt politicians .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And it is a shithole... Solar panels won't help stop drug dealers or corrupt politicians.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29732143</id>
	<title>Re:Carbon emissions sleep with the fishes</title>
	<author>commodore64\_love</author>
	<datestamp>1255449840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;Basically your argument is "this is not worthwhile for me to do, but it is worthwhile for other people to do it for me".</p><p>Usually I say something like, "I've paid over $20,000 a year in taxes for the past ten years or so, which is frankly ridiculous.  I feel like I've been raped.  Here's an opportunity to get back some of that money from the thieves.... er, politicians via tax credits or subsidies."  I consider a refund of my OWN money not other people's money.</p><p>Of course the ideal would be to reduce the tax rate so no middle income citizen pays more than $5000 in taxation each year.  That's unlikely to happen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; Basically your argument is " this is not worthwhile for me to do , but it is worthwhile for other people to do it for me " .Usually I say something like , " I 've paid over $ 20,000 a year in taxes for the past ten years or so , which is frankly ridiculous .
I feel like I 've been raped .
Here 's an opportunity to get back some of that money from the thieves.... er , politicians via tax credits or subsidies .
" I consider a refund of my OWN money not other people 's money.Of course the ideal would be to reduce the tax rate so no middle income citizen pays more than $ 5000 in taxation each year .
That 's unlikely to happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;Basically your argument is "this is not worthwhile for me to do, but it is worthwhile for other people to do it for me".Usually I say something like, "I've paid over $20,000 a year in taxes for the past ten years or so, which is frankly ridiculous.
I feel like I've been raped.
Here's an opportunity to get back some of that money from the thieves.... er, politicians via tax credits or subsidies.
"  I consider a refund of my OWN money not other people's money.Of course the ideal would be to reduce the tax rate so no middle income citizen pays more than $5000 in taxation each year.
That's unlikely to happen.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_10_13_131201.29730797</id>
	<title>Not solar panels...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1255442760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>All that shine is coming from their hair gel.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All that shine is coming from their hair gel .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All that shine is coming from their hair gel.</sentencetext>
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