<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_18_1327248</id>
	<title>Red Hat Is Now Part of the S&P 500</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1247930760000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>phantomfive writes <i>"<a href="http://blog.internetnews.com/dneedle/2009/07/tech-beats-finance-red-hat-joi.html">Red Hat has made it onto the S&amp;P 500</a>, an important measure of the stock market.  It is replacing CIT, which is expected to go bankrupt after the government refused to bail them out.  Red Hat is the <a href="http://www.newsobserver.com/business/story/1612209.html">first Linux company to make it on to the S&amp;P 500</a>.  While this means little directly for the company, it is an indication of the importance Linux is taking on in the world."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>phantomfive writes " Red Hat has made it onto the S&amp;P 500 , an important measure of the stock market .
It is replacing CIT , which is expected to go bankrupt after the government refused to bail them out .
Red Hat is the first Linux company to make it on to the S&amp;P 500 .
While this means little directly for the company , it is an indication of the importance Linux is taking on in the world .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>phantomfive writes "Red Hat has made it onto the S&amp;P 500, an important measure of the stock market.
It is replacing CIT, which is expected to go bankrupt after the government refused to bail them out.
Red Hat is the first Linux company to make it on to the S&amp;P 500.
While this means little directly for the company, it is an indication of the importance Linux is taking on in the world.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741799</id>
	<title>Congrats Red Hat</title>
	<author>motang</author>
	<datestamp>1247940780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Who says Opensoruce doesn't make money!?!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who says Opensoruce does n't make money ! ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who says Opensoruce doesn't make money!?
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28743443</id>
	<title>This news actually means a lot for Red Hat's stock</title>
	<author>The-Perl-CD-Bookshel</author>
	<datestamp>1247911800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is fairly significant because passive investors such as S&amp;P index funds, which are popular investment vehicles, will be purchasing shares for their portfolios.  This will add more liquidity to the market for Red Hat shares which should help them garner more positive attention from investors.  During these times of high volatility, the purchasers of stocks are constantly asking themselves, "if I get into a stock, will I be able to get out?"</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is fairly significant because passive investors such as S&amp;P index funds , which are popular investment vehicles , will be purchasing shares for their portfolios .
This will add more liquidity to the market for Red Hat shares which should help them garner more positive attention from investors .
During these times of high volatility , the purchasers of stocks are constantly asking themselves , " if I get into a stock , will I be able to get out ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is fairly significant because passive investors such as S&amp;P index funds, which are popular investment vehicles, will be purchasing shares for their portfolios.
This will add more liquidity to the market for Red Hat shares which should help them garner more positive attention from investors.
During these times of high volatility, the purchasers of stocks are constantly asking themselves, "if I get into a stock, will I be able to get out?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741741</id>
	<title>Re:Not surprising</title>
	<author>iggymanz</author>
	<datestamp>1247940360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>funny, my clients love Red Hat, most of them transitioned from Sun and it wasn't Red Hat who was the bully</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>funny , my clients love Red Hat , most of them transitioned from Sun and it was n't Red Hat who was the bully</tokentext>
<sentencetext>funny, my clients love Red Hat, most of them transitioned from Sun and it wasn't Red Hat who was the bully</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741315</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741961</id>
	<title>Re:de-spin</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1247942040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So yeah, it's a big win for open source because it shows that you can make it to the S&amp;P 500 by being an open source company.</p></div><p>The index, industry, and business world in general, doesn't give two sh--s whether something is open source or not. It may be an ideological victory of sorts, but calling it a "big win"? No. It's like graduating from fifth grade and moving on to middle school... It might be a big deal to the kids involved, but to the rest of the world? Not exactly bragging rights. All that said, I really wish I'd had the money to invest in Redhat when it sent me its IPO e-mail several years ago for being an open source contributor.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So yeah , it 's a big win for open source because it shows that you can make it to the S&amp;P 500 by being an open source company.The index , industry , and business world in general , does n't give two sh--s whether something is open source or not .
It may be an ideological victory of sorts , but calling it a " big win " ?
No. It 's like graduating from fifth grade and moving on to middle school... It might be a big deal to the kids involved , but to the rest of the world ?
Not exactly bragging rights .
All that said , I really wish I 'd had the money to invest in Redhat when it sent me its IPO e-mail several years ago for being an open source contributor .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So yeah, it's a big win for open source because it shows that you can make it to the S&amp;P 500 by being an open source company.The index, industry, and business world in general, doesn't give two sh--s whether something is open source or not.
It may be an ideological victory of sorts, but calling it a "big win"?
No. It's like graduating from fifth grade and moving on to middle school... It might be a big deal to the kids involved, but to the rest of the world?
Not exactly bragging rights.
All that said, I really wish I'd had the money to invest in Redhat when it sent me its IPO e-mail several years ago for being an open source contributor.
:)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741829</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder...</title>
	<author>oldhack</author>
	<datestamp>1247940960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Damn right, you're old and senile.  TFA says S&amp;P 500 now includes Redhat.  As for whether S&amp;P uses Linux, no big deal one way or the other.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn right , you 're old and senile .
TFA says S&amp;P 500 now includes Redhat .
As for whether S&amp;P uses Linux , no big deal one way or the other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn right, you're old and senile.
TFA says S&amp;P 500 now includes Redhat.
As for whether S&amp;P uses Linux, no big deal one way or the other.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741119</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741703</id>
	<title>shareholders have to approve</title>
	<author>ir</author>
	<datestamp>1247940060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oracle and IBM suck ass</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oracle and IBM suck ass</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oracle and IBM suck ass</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741361</id>
	<title>Finally!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247937060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>2009 - the year of Linux on the stock market</p><p>Next milestone - the desktop!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>2009 - the year of Linux on the stock marketNext milestone - the desktop !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2009 - the year of Linux on the stock marketNext milestone - the desktop!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28742165</id>
	<title>Re:Let Me Be the First To Say...</title>
	<author>rtfa-troll</author>
	<datestamp>1247943780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, after <a href="http://blogs.computerworld.com/london\_stock\_exchange\_suffers\_net\_crash" title="computerworld.com">2008, the year of the Windows.NET stock exchange</a> [computerworld.com], I think <a href="http://techgeist.net/2009/07/london-stock-exchange-moving-windows-linux/" title="techgeist.net">2009 is already the year of the Linux stock exchange</a> [techgeist.net].  At least it's clear now that <a href="http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/173270.asp" title="seattlepi.com">people do get fired for buying Microsoft</a> [seattlepi.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , after 2008 , the year of the Windows.NET stock exchange [ computerworld.com ] , I think 2009 is already the year of the Linux stock exchange [ techgeist.net ] .
At least it 's clear now that people do get fired for buying Microsoft [ seattlepi.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, after 2008, the year of the Windows.NET stock exchange [computerworld.com], I think 2009 is already the year of the Linux stock exchange [techgeist.net].
At least it's clear now that people do get fired for buying Microsoft [seattlepi.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741039</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28745073</id>
	<title>Huray for them</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247931780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now if Redhat could just pull in even 1/3 the amount per employee that MSFT or Apple do, they might be able to actually pay a dividend to justify their stock price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now if Redhat could just pull in even 1/3 the amount per employee that MSFT or Apple do , they might be able to actually pay a dividend to justify their stock price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now if Redhat could just pull in even 1/3 the amount per employee that MSFT or Apple do, they might be able to actually pay a dividend to justify their stock price.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28742921</id>
	<title>Re:Index funds</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247950020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Remember there are also "Short SP500" index funds - they will now have to short the RedHat stock.</p><p>In the end it shouldn't matter anyway since the stock price will be determined by the earnings of the company. If the price goes up temporarily because of funds buying up, the stock immediately becomes that much less attractive to other prospective buyers vs. other stocks or bonds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember there are also " Short SP500 " index funds - they will now have to short the RedHat stock.In the end it should n't matter anyway since the stock price will be determined by the earnings of the company .
If the price goes up temporarily because of funds buying up , the stock immediately becomes that much less attractive to other prospective buyers vs. other stocks or bonds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember there are also "Short SP500" index funds - they will now have to short the RedHat stock.In the end it shouldn't matter anyway since the stock price will be determined by the earnings of the company.
If the price goes up temporarily because of funds buying up, the stock immediately becomes that much less attractive to other prospective buyers vs. other stocks or bonds.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741085</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28744557</id>
	<title>Re:Red Hat Enterprise Linux may be Linux...</title>
	<author>burnin1965</author>
	<datestamp>1247925060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You seem to be new to linux so I'll explain it. The $80 is a subscription to the Red Hat Network support service, it is not a purchase price for Red Hat Enterprise Linux.</p><p>In fact there have been multiple <a href="http://lwn.net/Articles/128952/" title="lwn.net">distribution forks/clones</a> [lwn.net] created from the Red Hat Enterprise Linux source files. You download the source files, remove the Red Hat trade marks and logos, compile and distribute.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>So with that bit of knowledge under your belt you can now intelligently discuss Red Hat's position in the F/OSS community and join the rest of us in celebrating this acknowledgement of Red Hat's business success based on open source.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You seem to be new to linux so I 'll explain it .
The $ 80 is a subscription to the Red Hat Network support service , it is not a purchase price for Red Hat Enterprise Linux.In fact there have been multiple distribution forks/clones [ lwn.net ] created from the Red Hat Enterprise Linux source files .
You download the source files , remove the Red Hat trade marks and logos , compile and distribute .
: ) So with that bit of knowledge under your belt you can now intelligently discuss Red Hat 's position in the F/OSS community and join the rest of us in celebrating this acknowledgement of Red Hat 's business success based on open source .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You seem to be new to linux so I'll explain it.
The $80 is a subscription to the Red Hat Network support service, it is not a purchase price for Red Hat Enterprise Linux.In fact there have been multiple distribution forks/clones [lwn.net] created from the Red Hat Enterprise Linux source files.
You download the source files, remove the Red Hat trade marks and logos, compile and distribute.
:)So with that bit of knowledge under your belt you can now intelligently discuss Red Hat's position in the F/OSS community and join the rest of us in celebrating this acknowledgement of Red Hat's business success based on open source.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28742213</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741491</id>
	<title>Too big to fail now!</title>
	<author>DriedClexler</author>
	<datestamp>1247938260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So how long until Congress debates whether they have to give Red Hat lots of free money on the grounds that they're "systemically important" now?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So how long until Congress debates whether they have to give Red Hat lots of free money on the grounds that they 're " systemically important " now ?
: -P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So how long until Congress debates whether they have to give Red Hat lots of free money on the grounds that they're "systemically important" now?
:-P</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741039</id>
	<title>Let Me Be the First To Say...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247934480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Congratulations.<br>
Could this be the Year of the Linux Stock Market?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Congratulations .
Could this be the Year of the Linux Stock Market ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congratulations.
Could this be the Year of the Linux Stock Market?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741113</id>
	<title>de-spin</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1247934960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Red Hat has made it onto the S&amp;P 500, an important measure of the stock market.</p></div><p>First, the S&amp;P members are selected by committee, not by merit alone. Companies are (usually) included because they have a high liquidity and are "representative" of their industry. Not that Red Hat being selected isn't good news, just understand they're not selecting it because of the "runaway success of Linux", but because Red Hat is representative of the overall health of this segment of the industry.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Red Hat has made it onto the S&amp;P 500 , an important measure of the stock market.First , the S&amp;P members are selected by committee , not by merit alone .
Companies are ( usually ) included because they have a high liquidity and are " representative " of their industry .
Not that Red Hat being selected is n't good news , just understand they 're not selecting it because of the " runaway success of Linux " , but because Red Hat is representative of the overall health of this segment of the industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Red Hat has made it onto the S&amp;P 500, an important measure of the stock market.First, the S&amp;P members are selected by committee, not by merit alone.
Companies are (usually) included because they have a high liquidity and are "representative" of their industry.
Not that Red Hat being selected isn't good news, just understand they're not selecting it because of the "runaway success of Linux", but because Red Hat is representative of the overall health of this segment of the industry.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28744159</id>
	<title>While this means little directly for the company</title>
	<author>whereiswaldo</author>
	<datestamp>1247919000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>While this means little directly for the company...</i></p><p>Really, it means little?  Large companies tend to prefer, and even require, doing business with other large companies.  Being on the S&amp;P 500 is an indication of Red Hat's size and staying power, and thus should increase the desirability of other large companies to do business with it.  Wouldn't you think?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While this means little directly for the company...Really , it means little ?
Large companies tend to prefer , and even require , doing business with other large companies .
Being on the S&amp;P 500 is an indication of Red Hat 's size and staying power , and thus should increase the desirability of other large companies to do business with it .
Would n't you think ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While this means little directly for the company...Really, it means little?
Large companies tend to prefer, and even require, doing business with other large companies.
Being on the S&amp;P 500 is an indication of Red Hat's size and staying power, and thus should increase the desirability of other large companies to do business with it.
Wouldn't you think?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741127</id>
	<title>Not a true representation then</title>
	<author>grasshoppa</author>
	<datestamp>1247935140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As linux is EVERYWHERE anymore.  Just about every small business and up runs it in some capacity.  It runs major businesses too.  Everything from big iron to the embedded market runs linux in some regard.  Hell, Cisco's ASAs run a linux kernel.</p><p>Were this a true representation, linux companies would account for 60\%+ of the tech companies listed in the index.  Which is a bullshit measurement anyway, so I'm not sure what that statement was supposed to mean.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As linux is EVERYWHERE anymore .
Just about every small business and up runs it in some capacity .
It runs major businesses too .
Everything from big iron to the embedded market runs linux in some regard .
Hell , Cisco 's ASAs run a linux kernel.Were this a true representation , linux companies would account for 60 \ % + of the tech companies listed in the index .
Which is a bullshit measurement anyway , so I 'm not sure what that statement was supposed to mean .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As linux is EVERYWHERE anymore.
Just about every small business and up runs it in some capacity.
It runs major businesses too.
Everything from big iron to the embedded market runs linux in some regard.
Hell, Cisco's ASAs run a linux kernel.Were this a true representation, linux companies would account for 60\%+ of the tech companies listed in the index.
Which is a bullshit measurement anyway, so I'm not sure what that statement was supposed to mean.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741455</id>
	<title>Profit motive is good for Linux</title>
	<author>cryfreedomlove</author>
	<datestamp>1247938020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The incentive of profit and personal gain, as evidenced by the commercial success of Red Hat, is helping Linux to gain traction against Microsoft Windows.  How ironic.  This open source blend of passion, underdog romanticism, genuine need, and profit motive is an awesome story and it must have Bill Gates shaking his head in disbelief.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The incentive of profit and personal gain , as evidenced by the commercial success of Red Hat , is helping Linux to gain traction against Microsoft Windows .
How ironic .
This open source blend of passion , underdog romanticism , genuine need , and profit motive is an awesome story and it must have Bill Gates shaking his head in disbelief .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The incentive of profit and personal gain, as evidenced by the commercial success of Red Hat, is helping Linux to gain traction against Microsoft Windows.
How ironic.
This open source blend of passion, underdog romanticism, genuine need, and profit motive is an awesome story and it must have Bill Gates shaking his head in disbelief.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28743585</id>
	<title>Re:Red Hat Enterprise Linux may be Linux...</title>
	<author>armanox</author>
	<datestamp>1247912940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Open Source != Free<br>Also, CentOS, Scientific, Oracle, and CERN Linux are all RHEL rebuilt from the open and freely available source code.  Fedora Linux, Red Hat's testing ground, is completely Free and Open both in binary and source.<br> <br>Remember, Open Source means the source, not the binaries.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Open Source ! = FreeAlso , CentOS , Scientific , Oracle , and CERN Linux are all RHEL rebuilt from the open and freely available source code .
Fedora Linux , Red Hat 's testing ground , is completely Free and Open both in binary and source .
Remember , Open Source means the source , not the binaries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Open Source != FreeAlso, CentOS, Scientific, Oracle, and CERN Linux are all RHEL rebuilt from the open and freely available source code.
Fedora Linux, Red Hat's testing ground, is completely Free and Open both in binary and source.
Remember, Open Source means the source, not the binaries.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741761</id>
	<title>Re:Benefit of being in S&amp;P 500</title>
	<author>oldhack</author>
	<datestamp>1247940540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now the god damn commies are in my portfolio.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now the god damn commies are in my portfolio .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now the god damn commies are in my portfolio.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741073</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28746063</id>
	<title>Re:Red Hat Enterprise Linux may be Linux...</title>
	<author>True Grit</author>
	<datestamp>1247946060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Um, 80 != 0, right?</p></div><p>Wrong.  There is no requirement that FLOSS software be available at no charge.  Its the <b>source code</b> which must be made available at no charge.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>So, why would the F/OSS community trumpet this as a "win"?</p></div><p>Because we've had to listen to trolls, shills, and the ignorant tell us <b>for years</b> that "no one is going to make money selling FLOSS software", and for years we've tried to explain the difference between paying for the software (software as a monetized "product"; profit derives from the software itself) and paying for customer support to use the software (software as a commodity; profit derives from services provided with the software), but to no avail.  Heck, even after all this time, we've still got trolls using "communism" in the same sentence with FLOSS.</p><p>1. People didn't pay RH $80 for the software, they paid them  $80 for <b>customer support</b>...</p><p>2. And RH is <b>successfully making money over the long term</b> doing it...</p><p>3. Even though <b>the underlying software is FLOSS</b>.</p><p>Lines 2 &amp; 3 above are why this is a "win" for us, not line 1.</p><p>When explanations fail, whether because they have fallen on deliberately deaf, or merely ignorant, ears, then there is nothing better than a working example... and thats exactly what RH is.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Um , 80 ! = 0 , right ? Wrong .
There is no requirement that FLOSS software be available at no charge .
Its the source code which must be made available at no charge.So , why would the F/OSS community trumpet this as a " win " ? Because we 've had to listen to trolls , shills , and the ignorant tell us for years that " no one is going to make money selling FLOSS software " , and for years we 've tried to explain the difference between paying for the software ( software as a monetized " product " ; profit derives from the software itself ) and paying for customer support to use the software ( software as a commodity ; profit derives from services provided with the software ) , but to no avail .
Heck , even after all this time , we 've still got trolls using " communism " in the same sentence with FLOSS.1 .
People did n't pay RH $ 80 for the software , they paid them $ 80 for customer support...2 .
And RH is successfully making money over the long term doing it...3 .
Even though the underlying software is FLOSS.Lines 2 &amp; 3 above are why this is a " win " for us , not line 1.When explanations fail , whether because they have fallen on deliberately deaf , or merely ignorant , ears , then there is nothing better than a working example... and thats exactly what RH is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um, 80 != 0, right?Wrong.
There is no requirement that FLOSS software be available at no charge.
Its the source code which must be made available at no charge.So, why would the F/OSS community trumpet this as a "win"?Because we've had to listen to trolls, shills, and the ignorant tell us for years that "no one is going to make money selling FLOSS software", and for years we've tried to explain the difference between paying for the software (software as a monetized "product"; profit derives from the software itself) and paying for customer support to use the software (software as a commodity; profit derives from services provided with the software), but to no avail.
Heck, even after all this time, we've still got trolls using "communism" in the same sentence with FLOSS.1.
People didn't pay RH $80 for the software, they paid them  $80 for customer support...2.
And RH is successfully making money over the long term doing it...3.
Even though the underlying software is FLOSS.Lines 2 &amp; 3 above are why this is a "win" for us, not line 1.When explanations fail, whether because they have fallen on deliberately deaf, or merely ignorant, ears, then there is nothing better than a working example... and thats exactly what RH is.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28751493</id>
	<title>Re:Oracle is First Linux Company on S&amp;P500</title>
	<author>JumpDrive</author>
	<datestamp>1248010320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think that Novel (NOVL) was there first, as far as being a company providing support for linux.  I think that Oracle only started providing support a few years ago, when they had a schism with Red Hat and rolled their own distribution based on Red Hat.<br>
So I think this would make their distribution, no less a distribution that CentOS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that Novel ( NOVL ) was there first , as far as being a company providing support for linux .
I think that Oracle only started providing support a few years ago , when they had a schism with Red Hat and rolled their own distribution based on Red Hat .
So I think this would make their distribution , no less a distribution that CentOS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that Novel (NOVL) was there first, as far as being a company providing support for linux.
I think that Oracle only started providing support a few years ago, when they had a schism with Red Hat and rolled their own distribution based on Red Hat.
So I think this would make their distribution, no less a distribution that CentOS.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28742013</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28742671</id>
	<title>Re:Red Hat Enterprise Linux may be Linux...</title>
	<author>Kickasso</author>
	<datestamp>1247947620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Remember, price has little to do with freedom.</p><p>You can download (most of) RHEL sources from RHT servers, recompile, rebrand and make your own RHEL clone. There's a popular distro (CentOS) doing exactly that, and a few more obscure ones. Oracle Enterprise Linux, a direct competition of RHEL, is also based off RHEL sources. If that's not "free" and "open source", I don't know what is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember , price has little to do with freedom.You can download ( most of ) RHEL sources from RHT servers , recompile , rebrand and make your own RHEL clone .
There 's a popular distro ( CentOS ) doing exactly that , and a few more obscure ones .
Oracle Enterprise Linux , a direct competition of RHEL , is also based off RHEL sources .
If that 's not " free " and " open source " , I do n't know what is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember, price has little to do with freedom.You can download (most of) RHEL sources from RHT servers, recompile, rebrand and make your own RHEL clone.
There's a popular distro (CentOS) doing exactly that, and a few more obscure ones.
Oracle Enterprise Linux, a direct competition of RHEL, is also based off RHEL sources.
If that's not "free" and "open source", I don't know what is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741085</id>
	<title>Index funds</title>
	<author>andhar</author>
	<datestamp>1247934720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Inclusion in the S&amp;P 500 could mean some index funds will have to acquire some shares. Inclusion in an index is usually seen as positive, and falling out of an index is seen as negative, when index funds have to sell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Inclusion in the S&amp;P 500 could mean some index funds will have to acquire some shares .
Inclusion in an index is usually seen as positive , and falling out of an index is seen as negative , when index funds have to sell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Inclusion in the S&amp;P 500 could mean some index funds will have to acquire some shares.
Inclusion in an index is usually seen as positive, and falling out of an index is seen as negative, when index funds have to sell.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741075</id>
	<title>Re:Let Me Be the First To Say...</title>
	<author>ters a-zA-Z0-9$\_.+!*</author>
	<datestamp>1247934660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>lets start the next decade off right NEW TECH BUBBLE
i'm too young to have had that fun in the 90's</htmltext>
<tokenext>lets start the next decade off right NEW TECH BUBBLE i 'm too young to have had that fun in the 90 's</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lets start the next decade off right NEW TECH BUBBLE
i'm too young to have had that fun in the 90's</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741039</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28743897</id>
	<title>Lost Opportunity</title>
	<author>flipper9</author>
	<datestamp>1247915760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Back in the early days of RedHat, they used to be located in a non-descript office park in the Raleigh-Durham area.  I remember working for an obscure Sales Automation company and our office was located upstairs, where if you turned to the left you'd head into our office and if you turned right you'd enter the small RedHat Software offices.  I used to pop my head in occasionally to this company that was making this stuff called "Linux", and even asked for help when I was secretly setting up a Linux server at my company's office to replace our Windows NT 3.51 server.</p><p>If I had only turned right when heading into work instead of turning left when walking up those stairs, I'd today be a millionaire.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Back in the early days of RedHat , they used to be located in a non-descript office park in the Raleigh-Durham area .
I remember working for an obscure Sales Automation company and our office was located upstairs , where if you turned to the left you 'd head into our office and if you turned right you 'd enter the small RedHat Software offices .
I used to pop my head in occasionally to this company that was making this stuff called " Linux " , and even asked for help when I was secretly setting up a Linux server at my company 's office to replace our Windows NT 3.51 server.If I had only turned right when heading into work instead of turning left when walking up those stairs , I 'd today be a millionaire .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Back in the early days of RedHat, they used to be located in a non-descript office park in the Raleigh-Durham area.
I remember working for an obscure Sales Automation company and our office was located upstairs, where if you turned to the left you'd head into our office and if you turned right you'd enter the small RedHat Software offices.
I used to pop my head in occasionally to this company that was making this stuff called "Linux", and even asked for help when I was secretly setting up a Linux server at my company's office to replace our Windows NT 3.51 server.If I had only turned right when heading into work instead of turning left when walking up those stairs, I'd today be a millionaire.
:(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741119</id>
	<title>I wonder...</title>
	<author>fragmentate</author>
	<datestamp>1247935020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr>...does the S&amp;P 500 use Linux?
</p><p>
I seem to recall that NYSE does.  Then again, I'm old.
</p><p>
They may have switched to Linux at some point.
</p><p>
I think too much significance is being given to this announcement.  Linux has already been quite dominant on the web for some time now.  But most people couldn't care less about what delivered their content.  How would you even know?  Aside from server side errors.
</p><p>
RedHat's best contribution is Tom Lane to PostgreSQL.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...does the S&amp;P 500 use Linux ?
I seem to recall that NYSE does .
Then again , I 'm old .
They may have switched to Linux at some point .
I think too much significance is being given to this announcement .
Linux has already been quite dominant on the web for some time now .
But most people could n't care less about what delivered their content .
How would you even know ?
Aside from server side errors .
RedHat 's best contribution is Tom Lane to PostgreSQL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...does the S&amp;P 500 use Linux?
I seem to recall that NYSE does.
Then again, I'm old.
They may have switched to Linux at some point.
I think too much significance is being given to this announcement.
Linux has already been quite dominant on the web for some time now.
But most people couldn't care less about what delivered their content.
How would you even know?
Aside from server side errors.
RedHat's best contribution is Tom Lane to PostgreSQL.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741279</id>
	<title>RHAT will eventually be acquired by Oracle or IBM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247936400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Their market cap is only $4B, which either of those two companies could spend w/o blinking. I suppose a bidding war could drive up the price to twice that.  Remember, RH also controls JBoss, Cygwin, etc.</p><p>The loser gets Novell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Their market cap is only $ 4B , which either of those two companies could spend w/o blinking .
I suppose a bidding war could drive up the price to twice that .
Remember , RH also controls JBoss , Cygwin , etc.The loser gets Novell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Their market cap is only $4B, which either of those two companies could spend w/o blinking.
I suppose a bidding war could drive up the price to twice that.
Remember, RH also controls JBoss, Cygwin, etc.The loser gets Novell.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28742955</id>
	<title>Re:CIT and moral hazard</title>
	<author>yoshi\_mon</author>
	<datestamp>1247950500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Being of the Libertarian bent I have to like the idea of failure being reintroduced to the market. But I'm also a bit queasy when the <b>current anti-market administration bails out it's friends (look at his economic team) on Wall Street and then allows CIT to fail.</b> The question I instantly asked myself was Why? And why was it's failure so under reported?</p></div><p>Keep in mind that the TARP bailout was enacted and originally administered by the Bush administration.  Rough estimiates where that fully half of the bailout was done by Bush's Secretary of the Treasury Henry Paulson.</p><p>I'm not going to excuse the Obama admin of doing everything perfectly however when people like yourself omit rather large facts in your argument it does nothing for your creditability.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Being of the Libertarian bent I have to like the idea of failure being reintroduced to the market .
But I 'm also a bit queasy when the current anti-market administration bails out it 's friends ( look at his economic team ) on Wall Street and then allows CIT to fail .
The question I instantly asked myself was Why ?
And why was it 's failure so under reported ? Keep in mind that the TARP bailout was enacted and originally administered by the Bush administration .
Rough estimiates where that fully half of the bailout was done by Bush 's Secretary of the Treasury Henry Paulson.I 'm not going to excuse the Obama admin of doing everything perfectly however when people like yourself omit rather large facts in your argument it does nothing for your creditability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being of the Libertarian bent I have to like the idea of failure being reintroduced to the market.
But I'm also a bit queasy when the current anti-market administration bails out it's friends (look at his economic team) on Wall Street and then allows CIT to fail.
The question I instantly asked myself was Why?
And why was it's failure so under reported?Keep in mind that the TARP bailout was enacted and originally administered by the Bush administration.
Rough estimiates where that fully half of the bailout was done by Bush's Secretary of the Treasury Henry Paulson.I'm not going to excuse the Obama admin of doing everything perfectly however when people like yourself omit rather large facts in your argument it does nothing for your creditability.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741863</id>
	<title>Revolution Revelation</title>
	<author>mindbrane</author>
	<datestamp>1247941200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Somewhere in the idle backwaters of my life I've a copy of 'Revolution OS'. I can't remember the year it came out but<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. was big on it, probably because Taco had a cameo. Redhat and linus were the darlings of the show with RMS doing a walk on but the punchline was the big noise the Redhat IPO made, followed but the nearly instantaneous downward spiral of it's stock price. Redhat, like Linux has stood the test of time and can rightly take a place on the S&amp;P. Linux, like Redhat has gone from a wunderkind, to a dicey proposition, to a viable, entrenched market player. So maybe the 'Revolution OS' has come full circle and is ready to move on with a new face, but hopefully one still mired in remnants of Dungeons &amp; Dragons lore.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Somewhere in the idle backwaters of my life I 've a copy of 'Revolution OS' .
I ca n't remember the year it came out but / .
was big on it , probably because Taco had a cameo .
Redhat and linus were the darlings of the show with RMS doing a walk on but the punchline was the big noise the Redhat IPO made , followed but the nearly instantaneous downward spiral of it 's stock price .
Redhat , like Linux has stood the test of time and can rightly take a place on the S&amp;P .
Linux , like Redhat has gone from a wunderkind , to a dicey proposition , to a viable , entrenched market player .
So maybe the 'Revolution OS ' has come full circle and is ready to move on with a new face , but hopefully one still mired in remnants of Dungeons &amp; Dragons lore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Somewhere in the idle backwaters of my life I've a copy of 'Revolution OS'.
I can't remember the year it came out but /.
was big on it, probably because Taco had a cameo.
Redhat and linus were the darlings of the show with RMS doing a walk on but the punchline was the big noise the Redhat IPO made, followed but the nearly instantaneous downward spiral of it's stock price.
Redhat, like Linux has stood the test of time and can rightly take a place on the S&amp;P.
Linux, like Redhat has gone from a wunderkind, to a dicey proposition, to a viable, entrenched market player.
So maybe the 'Revolution OS' has come full circle and is ready to move on with a new face, but hopefully one still mired in remnants of Dungeons &amp; Dragons lore.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741377</id>
	<title>Re:I wonder...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247937240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Judging by the errors I get, I guess everything runs on Wind... ohhhh</p><p>Nevermind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Judging by the errors I get , I guess everything runs on Wind... ohhhhNevermind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Judging by the errors I get, I guess everything runs on Wind... ohhhhNevermind.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741119</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28742949</id>
	<title>Re:Red Hat Enterprise Linux may be Linux...</title>
	<author>Datamonstar</author>
	<datestamp>1247950440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Look, see, It's sorta like this. Say I was to buy you a beer. And that beer would be free. To you. And then you could drink it. And get drunk, I suppose. And then, if I was drinking my beer that I had to pay for then I'd be drunk as well eventually, and then, well... <br>  <br>  I just forgot what I was going on about, but I really could use a beer right now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , see , It 's sorta like this .
Say I was to buy you a beer .
And that beer would be free .
To you .
And then you could drink it .
And get drunk , I suppose .
And then , if I was drinking my beer that I had to pay for then I 'd be drunk as well eventually , and then , well... I just forgot what I was going on about , but I really could use a beer right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, see, It's sorta like this.
Say I was to buy you a beer.
And that beer would be free.
To you.
And then you could drink it.
And get drunk, I suppose.
And then, if I was drinking my beer that I had to pay for then I'd be drunk as well eventually, and then, well...     I just forgot what I was going on about, but I really could use a beer right now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741681</id>
	<title>S&amp;P 500</title>
	<author>mac1235</author>
	<datestamp>1247939880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S&amp;P\_500" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S&amp;P\_500</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S&amp;P \ _500 [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S&amp;P\_500 [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28746001</id>
	<title>Microsoft stock flat since 2002</title>
	<author>christian.einfeldt</author>
	<datestamp>1247945220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Look at any finance service, such as Yahoo Finance or Google Finance.  Microsoft's look-up symbol is MSFT.  Microsoft's chart <a href="http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=MSFT&amp;t=my&amp;l=on&amp;z=m&amp;q=l&amp;c=" title="yahoo.com">is here</a> [yahoo.com] on Yahoo Finance.  Red Hat is growing.  Microsoft is stagnating.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Look at any finance service , such as Yahoo Finance or Google Finance .
Microsoft 's look-up symbol is MSFT .
Microsoft 's chart is here [ yahoo.com ] on Yahoo Finance .
Red Hat is growing .
Microsoft is stagnating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look at any finance service, such as Yahoo Finance or Google Finance.
Microsoft's look-up symbol is MSFT.
Microsoft's chart is here [yahoo.com] on Yahoo Finance.
Red Hat is growing.
Microsoft is stagnating.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741461</id>
	<title>This *IS* important to the company</title>
	<author>financialguy</author>
	<datestamp>1247938080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"While this means little directly for the company..."
<br> 
<br>Not true. Inclusion in a widely-invested index almost certainly means an increase in the stock's price, all things being equal. This will be most visible up front as index fund managers buy in (because they have to). But there will also be a much larger base of investors that hold this permanently insofar as they hold S&amp;P 500 index funds (or ETFs, CTFs, etc.). This could directly provide the company more "currency" to make purchases of other firms (by paying in stock), as well as give it an advantage in attracting and maintaining talent that are partially compensated in stock (assuming they award stock/options).
<br> 
<br>It could also result in more stock analyst coverage which would bring valuable publicity to itself and its shares, and likely also more "mind share" for Linux for the average investor that follows this sector/industry.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" While this means little directly for the company... " Not true .
Inclusion in a widely-invested index almost certainly means an increase in the stock 's price , all things being equal .
This will be most visible up front as index fund managers buy in ( because they have to ) .
But there will also be a much larger base of investors that hold this permanently insofar as they hold S&amp;P 500 index funds ( or ETFs , CTFs , etc. ) .
This could directly provide the company more " currency " to make purchases of other firms ( by paying in stock ) , as well as give it an advantage in attracting and maintaining talent that are partially compensated in stock ( assuming they award stock/options ) .
It could also result in more stock analyst coverage which would bring valuable publicity to itself and its shares , and likely also more " mind share " for Linux for the average investor that follows this sector/industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"While this means little directly for the company..."
 
Not true.
Inclusion in a widely-invested index almost certainly means an increase in the stock's price, all things being equal.
This will be most visible up front as index fund managers buy in (because they have to).
But there will also be a much larger base of investors that hold this permanently insofar as they hold S&amp;P 500 index funds (or ETFs, CTFs, etc.).
This could directly provide the company more "currency" to make purchases of other firms (by paying in stock), as well as give it an advantage in attracting and maintaining talent that are partially compensated in stock (assuming they award stock/options).
It could also result in more stock analyst coverage which would bring valuable publicity to itself and its shares, and likely also more "mind share" for Linux for the average investor that follows this sector/industry.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28744427</id>
	<title>Re:de-spin</title>
	<author>burnin1965</author>
	<datestamp>1247923200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Companies are (usually) included because they have a high liquidity and are "representative" of their industry.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Red Hat is representative of the overall health of this segment of the industry.</p></div></blockquote><p>Assuming this 2002 statement concerning the <a href="http://www2.standardandpoors.com/portal/site/sp/en/us/page.article/2,3,1,6,1039108655059.html" title="standardandpoors.com">S&amp;P Index Policy</a> [standardandpoors.com] is still accurate, Red Hat was selected because they are a leader.</p><p>When it comes to publicly traded linux distributors you have NOVL, ORCL, RHT, and at one time Caldera which is now SCOXQ.PK. The make up of the industry has some extreme variation from Novell and Oracle who have started out and continue to sell proprietary closed source products to Caldera a.k.a. The SCO Group that is currently struggling to avoid Chapter 7 Bankruptcy liquidation. Red Hat is more than representative, they are the leader.</p><p>And in a way this is a sign of the "runaway success of linux". I've read and listened to the ignorant mewling of several "investment advisers" over the years continually predicting the demise of Red Hat, and open source in general, because they "give their product away for free". And yet here we are not only with Red Hat continually growing and profiting but at the same time linux has become a huge part of the server infrastructure that makes up the internet and global business data centers but it has also taken a minor share of the desktop market and a massive share of the embedded market in products from data infrastructure components like routers and firewalls to mass consumer products like televisions, DVD players, HD satellite receivers, etc. It is due to this runaway success that Red Hat has grown, profited and now has been acknowledged as a leader with inclusion in the S&amp;P 500.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Companies are ( usually ) included because they have a high liquidity and are " representative " of their industry .
... Red Hat is representative of the overall health of this segment of the industry.Assuming this 2002 statement concerning the S&amp;P Index Policy [ standardandpoors.com ] is still accurate , Red Hat was selected because they are a leader.When it comes to publicly traded linux distributors you have NOVL , ORCL , RHT , and at one time Caldera which is now SCOXQ.PK .
The make up of the industry has some extreme variation from Novell and Oracle who have started out and continue to sell proprietary closed source products to Caldera a.k.a .
The SCO Group that is currently struggling to avoid Chapter 7 Bankruptcy liquidation .
Red Hat is more than representative , they are the leader.And in a way this is a sign of the " runaway success of linux " .
I 've read and listened to the ignorant mewling of several " investment advisers " over the years continually predicting the demise of Red Hat , and open source in general , because they " give their product away for free " .
And yet here we are not only with Red Hat continually growing and profiting but at the same time linux has become a huge part of the server infrastructure that makes up the internet and global business data centers but it has also taken a minor share of the desktop market and a massive share of the embedded market in products from data infrastructure components like routers and firewalls to mass consumer products like televisions , DVD players , HD satellite receivers , etc .
It is due to this runaway success that Red Hat has grown , profited and now has been acknowledged as a leader with inclusion in the S&amp;P 500 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Companies are (usually) included because they have a high liquidity and are "representative" of their industry.
... Red Hat is representative of the overall health of this segment of the industry.Assuming this 2002 statement concerning the S&amp;P Index Policy [standardandpoors.com] is still accurate, Red Hat was selected because they are a leader.When it comes to publicly traded linux distributors you have NOVL, ORCL, RHT, and at one time Caldera which is now SCOXQ.PK.
The make up of the industry has some extreme variation from Novell and Oracle who have started out and continue to sell proprietary closed source products to Caldera a.k.a.
The SCO Group that is currently struggling to avoid Chapter 7 Bankruptcy liquidation.
Red Hat is more than representative, they are the leader.And in a way this is a sign of the "runaway success of linux".
I've read and listened to the ignorant mewling of several "investment advisers" over the years continually predicting the demise of Red Hat, and open source in general, because they "give their product away for free".
And yet here we are not only with Red Hat continually growing and profiting but at the same time linux has become a huge part of the server infrastructure that makes up the internet and global business data centers but it has also taken a minor share of the desktop market and a massive share of the embedded market in products from data infrastructure components like routers and firewalls to mass consumer products like televisions, DVD players, HD satellite receivers, etc.
It is due to this runaway success that Red Hat has grown, profited and now has been acknowledged as a leader with inclusion in the S&amp;P 500.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741073</id>
	<title>Benefit of being in S&amp;P 500</title>
	<author>SpinyNorman</author>
	<datestamp>1247934660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a benefit to stockholders since being in the S&amp;P 500 creates instant demand - it means that all the S&amp;P 500 index funds need to buy your stock!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a benefit to stockholders since being in the S&amp;P 500 creates instant demand - it means that all the S&amp;P 500 index funds need to buy your stock !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a benefit to stockholders since being in the S&amp;P 500 creates instant demand - it means that all the S&amp;P 500 index funds need to buy your stock!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741997</id>
	<title>Re:CIT and moral hazard</title>
	<author>jmorris42</author>
	<datestamp>1247942400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; The Obama administration are wise enough to allow them to be destroyed by the<br>&gt; remorseless logic of the free market when they are too weak to survive.</p><p>Being of the Libertarian bent I have to like the idea of failure being reintroduced to the market.  But I'm also a bit queasy when the current anti-market administration bails out it's friends (look at his economic team) on Wall Street and then allows CIT to fail.  The question I instantly asked myself was Why?  And why was it's failure so under reported?</p><p>Like probably everyone else here I didn't know anything about CIT till I was channel surfing last nite and heard a nasty little factoid.  Yes it was the hyperactive Glenn Beck but once I had the idea it didn't take long to confirm it in the more reputable WSJ:</p><p>"The company is a source of funding for thousands of small and midsize businesses. It's also a big player providing cash advances to clothing manufacturers and suppliers, and credit to retailers to pay off invoices. The impact could be especially acute in California because of the state's large apparel-import business."</p><p>So mega industries and financial titans (who caused the economic mess along with Congress) get bailed out and the major financier to small business, where most new jobs come from, goes out.  Folks, don't expect the recession to be ending any time soon.  And I'd be shocked if unemployment doesn't hit 15\% nationwide.  20\% if we pass cap and trade and nationalize the medical industry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; The Obama administration are wise enough to allow them to be destroyed by the &gt; remorseless logic of the free market when they are too weak to survive.Being of the Libertarian bent I have to like the idea of failure being reintroduced to the market .
But I 'm also a bit queasy when the current anti-market administration bails out it 's friends ( look at his economic team ) on Wall Street and then allows CIT to fail .
The question I instantly asked myself was Why ?
And why was it 's failure so under reported ? Like probably everyone else here I did n't know anything about CIT till I was channel surfing last nite and heard a nasty little factoid .
Yes it was the hyperactive Glenn Beck but once I had the idea it did n't take long to confirm it in the more reputable WSJ : " The company is a source of funding for thousands of small and midsize businesses .
It 's also a big player providing cash advances to clothing manufacturers and suppliers , and credit to retailers to pay off invoices .
The impact could be especially acute in California because of the state 's large apparel-import business .
" So mega industries and financial titans ( who caused the economic mess along with Congress ) get bailed out and the major financier to small business , where most new jobs come from , goes out .
Folks , do n't expect the recession to be ending any time soon .
And I 'd be shocked if unemployment does n't hit 15 \ % nationwide .
20 \ % if we pass cap and trade and nationalize the medical industry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; The Obama administration are wise enough to allow them to be destroyed by the&gt; remorseless logic of the free market when they are too weak to survive.Being of the Libertarian bent I have to like the idea of failure being reintroduced to the market.
But I'm also a bit queasy when the current anti-market administration bails out it's friends (look at his economic team) on Wall Street and then allows CIT to fail.
The question I instantly asked myself was Why?
And why was it's failure so under reported?Like probably everyone else here I didn't know anything about CIT till I was channel surfing last nite and heard a nasty little factoid.
Yes it was the hyperactive Glenn Beck but once I had the idea it didn't take long to confirm it in the more reputable WSJ:"The company is a source of funding for thousands of small and midsize businesses.
It's also a big player providing cash advances to clothing manufacturers and suppliers, and credit to retailers to pay off invoices.
The impact could be especially acute in California because of the state's large apparel-import business.
"So mega industries and financial titans (who caused the economic mess along with Congress) get bailed out and the major financier to small business, where most new jobs come from, goes out.
Folks, don't expect the recession to be ending any time soon.
And I'd be shocked if unemployment doesn't hit 15\% nationwide.
20\% if we pass cap and trade and nationalize the medical industry.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28742679</id>
	<title>Re:CIT and moral hazard</title>
	<author>benjfowler</author>
	<datestamp>1247947740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"The company is a source of funding for thousands of small and midsize businesses. It's also a big player providing cash advances to clothing manufacturers and suppliers, and credit to retailers to pay off invoices. The impact could be especially acute in California because of the state's large apparel-import business."</p></div></blockquote><p>Having family in the rag trade, I can just imagine what struggles small businesses dependent on credit from companies like CIT are going through.</p><p>Irresponsible companies like CIT who trade dodgy credit instruments and make bad loans make out like bandits in the good times, and hold us all to ransom when they get hit by the downside.  It's not like these bastards are too stupid to realise that in a financial crisis, all correlations go to 1...</p><p>People like AIG and CIT are punks.  They are "too big to fail", because they happen to supply the liquidity that a lot of SMEs need to operate.  SMEs are the real generators of jobs, and what's bad for them, is bad for the economy, period.</p><p>CIT can go to hell.  I feel badly for the collateral damage though, because it's going to make life much harder for a lot of mom-and-pop shops out there.</p></div>
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<tokenext>" The company is a source of funding for thousands of small and midsize businesses .
It 's also a big player providing cash advances to clothing manufacturers and suppliers , and credit to retailers to pay off invoices .
The impact could be especially acute in California because of the state 's large apparel-import business .
" Having family in the rag trade , I can just imagine what struggles small businesses dependent on credit from companies like CIT are going through.Irresponsible companies like CIT who trade dodgy credit instruments and make bad loans make out like bandits in the good times , and hold us all to ransom when they get hit by the downside .
It 's not like these bastards are too stupid to realise that in a financial crisis , all correlations go to 1...People like AIG and CIT are punks .
They are " too big to fail " , because they happen to supply the liquidity that a lot of SMEs need to operate .
SMEs are the real generators of jobs , and what 's bad for them , is bad for the economy , period.CIT can go to hell .
I feel badly for the collateral damage though , because it 's going to make life much harder for a lot of mom-and-pop shops out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The company is a source of funding for thousands of small and midsize businesses.
It's also a big player providing cash advances to clothing manufacturers and suppliers, and credit to retailers to pay off invoices.
The impact could be especially acute in California because of the state's large apparel-import business.
"Having family in the rag trade, I can just imagine what struggles small businesses dependent on credit from companies like CIT are going through.Irresponsible companies like CIT who trade dodgy credit instruments and make bad loans make out like bandits in the good times, and hold us all to ransom when they get hit by the downside.
It's not like these bastards are too stupid to realise that in a financial crisis, all correlations go to 1...People like AIG and CIT are punks.
They are "too big to fail", because they happen to supply the liquidity that a lot of SMEs need to operate.
SMEs are the real generators of jobs, and what's bad for them, is bad for the economy, period.CIT can go to hell.
I feel badly for the collateral damage though, because it's going to make life much harder for a lot of mom-and-pop shops out there.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28743755</id>
	<title>Re:Oracle is First Linux Company on S&amp;P500</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247914440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Oracle has a Linux distribution that is remarkably similar to Redhat's and they have been on the S&amp;P500 for a while.</p></div><p>That's because they downloaded RHEL 5.3 source code, took out Red Hat trademarks and labeled it Oracle Enterprise Linux 5.3.  I'm not saying it's a bad product but I wouldn't go around saying that Oracle is a major Linux OS maker just because of that.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Oracle has a Linux distribution that is remarkably similar to Redhat 's and they have been on the S&amp;P500 for a while.That 's because they downloaded RHEL 5.3 source code , took out Red Hat trademarks and labeled it Oracle Enterprise Linux 5.3 .
I 'm not saying it 's a bad product but I would n't go around saying that Oracle is a major Linux OS maker just because of that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oracle has a Linux distribution that is remarkably similar to Redhat's and they have been on the S&amp;P500 for a while.That's because they downloaded RHEL 5.3 source code, took out Red Hat trademarks and labeled it Oracle Enterprise Linux 5.3.
I'm not saying it's a bad product but I wouldn't go around saying that Oracle is a major Linux OS maker just because of that.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741501</id>
	<title>Re:Not a true representation then</title>
	<author>wisty</author>
	<datestamp>1247938440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google is a linux company. IBM is a linux company. I think they are both S&amp;P 500. What's your problem?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google is a linux company .
IBM is a linux company .
I think they are both S&amp;P 500 .
What 's your problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google is a linux company.
IBM is a linux company.
I think they are both S&amp;P 500.
What's your problem?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741483</id>
	<title>Re:de-spin</title>
	<author>morgan\_greywolf</author>
	<datestamp>1247938200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For Red Hat to be representative of their industry, they need to be a healthy and profitable company.  While I agree that this doesn't necessarily point to Linux as a being a "runaway success", it is significant to note that Red Hat's flagship product is a distribution of Linux and the various open source tools from GNU, X.org, Gnome, X.org, etc, and that their other products that help to boost their profitable, like JBoss are also open source tools.  So yeah, it's a big win for open source because it shows that you can make it to the S&amp;P 500 by being an open source company.  That puts things in proper perspective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For Red Hat to be representative of their industry , they need to be a healthy and profitable company .
While I agree that this does n't necessarily point to Linux as a being a " runaway success " , it is significant to note that Red Hat 's flagship product is a distribution of Linux and the various open source tools from GNU , X.org , Gnome , X.org , etc , and that their other products that help to boost their profitable , like JBoss are also open source tools .
So yeah , it 's a big win for open source because it shows that you can make it to the S&amp;P 500 by being an open source company .
That puts things in proper perspective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For Red Hat to be representative of their industry, they need to be a healthy and profitable company.
While I agree that this doesn't necessarily point to Linux as a being a "runaway success", it is significant to note that Red Hat's flagship product is a distribution of Linux and the various open source tools from GNU, X.org, Gnome, X.org, etc, and that their other products that help to boost their profitable, like JBoss are also open source tools.
So yeah, it's a big win for open source because it shows that you can make it to the S&amp;P 500 by being an open source company.
That puts things in proper perspective.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28742213</id>
	<title>Red Hat Enterprise Linux may be Linux...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247944080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...But it is about as far away from FREE Software as it gets.<br> <br>
In fact, is it even technically Open Source either?<br> <br>
From the <a href="https://www.redhat.com/apps/download/" title="redhat.com" rel="nofollow">Red Hat</a> [redhat.com] site: "Available for immediate download starting at $80."<br> <br>
Um, 80 != 0, right? So, why would the F/OSS community trumpet this as a "win"?</htmltext>
<tokenext>...But it is about as far away from FREE Software as it gets .
In fact , is it even technically Open Source either ?
From the Red Hat [ redhat.com ] site : " Available for immediate download starting at $ 80 .
" Um , 80 ! = 0 , right ?
So , why would the F/OSS community trumpet this as a " win " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...But it is about as far away from FREE Software as it gets.
In fact, is it even technically Open Source either?
From the Red Hat [redhat.com] site: "Available for immediate download starting at $80.
" 
Um, 80 != 0, right?
So, why would the F/OSS community trumpet this as a "win"?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28742013</id>
	<title>Oracle is First Linux Company on S&amp;P500</title>
	<author>flyingfsck</author>
	<datestamp>1247942520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oracle has a Linux distribution that is remarkably similar to Redhat's and they have been on the S&amp;P500 for a while.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oracle has a Linux distribution that is remarkably similar to Redhat 's and they have been on the S&amp;P500 for a while .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oracle has a Linux distribution that is remarkably similar to Redhat's and they have been on the S&amp;P500 for a while.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741437</id>
	<title>CIT and moral hazard</title>
	<author>benjfowler</author>
	<datestamp>1247937780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Congrats on Red Hat reaching the big league.  I've got a couple of mates who work for Red Hat, and they say business is booming in the downturn, because they're picking up a lot of business from people looking to save money through Red Hat's Open Source-plus-support way of doing things.  I wish Red Hat luck.</p><p>Sadly, this doesn't seem to have been the case with CIT, whose criminally incompetent management decided that letting the Government bail them out, was a better business plan than running their business as a going concern.</p><p>Too bad Anglo-American culture is far too tolerant of failure, particularly in the business world.  The fat cats need to be taken down a few pegs -- and serious repercussions for failure are needed.</p><p>The big problem with the government bailouts on both sides of the pond, is that the captains of industry are scum, by and large; and will find a way to be "too big to fail", and profit by bludging off people who pay their taxes and do the right thing.  Thankfully, the chaps in charge in the US have let CIT fail.  After all, private business are full of people who preach the benefits of free markets in the good times.  The Obama administration are wise enough to allow them to be destroyed by the remorseless logic of the free market when they are too weak to survive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Congrats on Red Hat reaching the big league .
I 've got a couple of mates who work for Red Hat , and they say business is booming in the downturn , because they 're picking up a lot of business from people looking to save money through Red Hat 's Open Source-plus-support way of doing things .
I wish Red Hat luck.Sadly , this does n't seem to have been the case with CIT , whose criminally incompetent management decided that letting the Government bail them out , was a better business plan than running their business as a going concern.Too bad Anglo-American culture is far too tolerant of failure , particularly in the business world .
The fat cats need to be taken down a few pegs -- and serious repercussions for failure are needed.The big problem with the government bailouts on both sides of the pond , is that the captains of industry are scum , by and large ; and will find a way to be " too big to fail " , and profit by bludging off people who pay their taxes and do the right thing .
Thankfully , the chaps in charge in the US have let CIT fail .
After all , private business are full of people who preach the benefits of free markets in the good times .
The Obama administration are wise enough to allow them to be destroyed by the remorseless logic of the free market when they are too weak to survive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congrats on Red Hat reaching the big league.
I've got a couple of mates who work for Red Hat, and they say business is booming in the downturn, because they're picking up a lot of business from people looking to save money through Red Hat's Open Source-plus-support way of doing things.
I wish Red Hat luck.Sadly, this doesn't seem to have been the case with CIT, whose criminally incompetent management decided that letting the Government bail them out, was a better business plan than running their business as a going concern.Too bad Anglo-American culture is far too tolerant of failure, particularly in the business world.
The fat cats need to be taken down a few pegs -- and serious repercussions for failure are needed.The big problem with the government bailouts on both sides of the pond, is that the captains of industry are scum, by and large; and will find a way to be "too big to fail", and profit by bludging off people who pay their taxes and do the right thing.
Thankfully, the chaps in charge in the US have let CIT fail.
After all, private business are full of people who preach the benefits of free markets in the good times.
The Obama administration are wise enough to allow them to be destroyed by the remorseless logic of the free market when they are too weak to survive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28743357</id>
	<title>Oh Really?</title>
	<author>DaveV1.0</author>
	<datestamp>1247911020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>While this means little directly for the company, it is an indication of the importance Linux is taking on in the world."</p></div></blockquote><p>Prove that statement with verifiable facts.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>While this means little directly for the company , it is an indication of the importance Linux is taking on in the world .
" Prove that statement with verifiable facts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While this means little directly for the company, it is an indication of the importance Linux is taking on in the world.
"Prove that statement with verifiable facts.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28743811</id>
	<title>Re:Benefit of being in S&amp;P 500</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247914920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Beware, for they might contaminate your businesses precious liquid assets!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Beware , for they might contaminate your businesses precious liquid assets !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Beware, for they might contaminate your businesses precious liquid assets!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741315</id>
	<title>Not surprising</title>
	<author>MadFarmAnimalz</author>
	<datestamp>1247936700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Red Hat deserve their place amongst the corporate elite and are an excellent representative of the large enterprise IT market. In my experience, they bully customers just as well as other non-Linux open source companies, so good for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Red Hat deserve their place amongst the corporate elite and are an excellent representative of the large enterprise IT market .
In my experience , they bully customers just as well as other non-Linux open source companies , so good for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Red Hat deserve their place amongst the corporate elite and are an excellent representative of the large enterprise IT market.
In my experience, they bully customers just as well as other non-Linux open source companies, so good for them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_18_1327248.28741743</id>
	<title>Re:Not a true representation then</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247940360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Just about every small business and up runs it in some capacity.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.</p></div><p>YEAAAAH! LET'S MAKE THINGS UP! WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p></div>
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<tokenext>Just about every small business and up runs it in some capacity .
.YEAAAAH ! LET 'S MAKE THINGS UP !
WOOOOOOOOO ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just about every small business and up runs it in some capacity.
.YEAAAAH! LET'S MAKE THINGS UP!
WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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	<title>Actually it is significant</title>
	<author>seifried</author>
	<datestamp>1247938620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>A lot of mutual funds/index funds/etc. will now be buying and holding Red Hat stock, as well as other large institutional investors (i.e. large state pension funds/etc.). Same mentality as "no one ever got fired for buying IBM computers", it's not like fund managers are much good at this (witness the melt down in almost every mutual fund/hedge fund), most of them just follow the herd.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of mutual funds/index funds/etc .
will now be buying and holding Red Hat stock , as well as other large institutional investors ( i.e .
large state pension funds/etc. ) .
Same mentality as " no one ever got fired for buying IBM computers " , it 's not like fund managers are much good at this ( witness the melt down in almost every mutual fund/hedge fund ) , most of them just follow the herd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of mutual funds/index funds/etc.
will now be buying and holding Red Hat stock, as well as other large institutional investors (i.e.
large state pension funds/etc.).
Same mentality as "no one ever got fired for buying IBM computers", it's not like fund managers are much good at this (witness the melt down in almost every mutual fund/hedge fund), most of them just follow the herd.</sentencetext>
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