<article>
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	<title>Study Finds Delinquent Behavior Among Boys Is "Contagious"</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1247856660000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>According to a new study, <a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/090716113301.htm">if everyone else was committing a crime, you would too</a>, at least if you are a boy. The 20-year study showed what every grandmother could tell you; children from poor families, with inadequate supervision and bad friends were more likely to end up in juvenile court. What was more surprising is that exposure to the juvenile justice system seemed to increase the chance that the boy would engage in criminal activity as a young adult. "For boys who had been through the juvenile justice system, compared to boys with similar histories without judicial involvement, the odds of adult judicial interventions increased almost seven-fold," says study co-author Richard E. Tremblay.</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to a new study , if everyone else was committing a crime , you would too , at least if you are a boy .
The 20-year study showed what every grandmother could tell you ; children from poor families , with inadequate supervision and bad friends were more likely to end up in juvenile court .
What was more surprising is that exposure to the juvenile justice system seemed to increase the chance that the boy would engage in criminal activity as a young adult .
" For boys who had been through the juvenile justice system , compared to boys with similar histories without judicial involvement , the odds of adult judicial interventions increased almost seven-fold , " says study co-author Richard E. Tremblay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to a new study, if everyone else was committing a crime, you would too, at least if you are a boy.
The 20-year study showed what every grandmother could tell you; children from poor families, with inadequate supervision and bad friends were more likely to end up in juvenile court.
What was more surprising is that exposure to the juvenile justice system seemed to increase the chance that the boy would engage in criminal activity as a young adult.
"For boys who had been through the juvenile justice system, compared to boys with similar histories without judicial involvement, the odds of adult judicial interventions increased almost seven-fold," says study co-author Richard E. Tremblay.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Old rule of thumb for hiring help:</title>
	<author>ankhank</author>
	<datestamp>1247838240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One boy = one boy<br>Two boys = 1/2 boy<br>Three or more boys = no help at all</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One boy = one boyTwo boys = 1/2 boyThree or more boys = no help at all</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One boy = one boyTwo boys = 1/2 boyThree or more boys = no help at all</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733809</id>
	<title>How lessons learned can be applied</title>
	<author>Jack9</author>
	<datestamp>1247862900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most important is the comment that the kids exposed to the legal system, were more likely to come back to it.</p><p>Exposing children to the ugliness, simplicity, and experience of a system engenders them to it by removing the mystery, stigma, and fear associated with it. These feelings are replaced by familiarity. This is particularly true of technology as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most important is the comment that the kids exposed to the legal system , were more likely to come back to it.Exposing children to the ugliness , simplicity , and experience of a system engenders them to it by removing the mystery , stigma , and fear associated with it .
These feelings are replaced by familiarity .
This is particularly true of technology as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most important is the comment that the kids exposed to the legal system, were more likely to come back to it.Exposing children to the ugliness, simplicity, and experience of a system engenders them to it by removing the mystery, stigma, and fear associated with it.
These feelings are replaced by familiarity.
This is particularly true of technology as well.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Cognitive dissnonance, probably</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1247823000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If they didn't think they were doing anything wrong, they wouldn't lie to the cops when they get caught.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they did n't think they were doing anything wrong , they would n't lie to the cops when they get caught .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they didn't think they were doing anything wrong, they wouldn't lie to the cops when they get caught.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733721</id>
	<title>Re:How exactly is this contagious?</title>
	<author>StikyPad</author>
	<datestamp>1247862540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>3. tending to spread from person to person: contagious laughter.</p><p>It's already well established that ideas are contagious, and particularly infectious or virulent ideas are called memes.  It's obvious that isolating two individuals will prevent the spread of ideas from one to the other, and it logically follows that increasing their exposure increases the spread of ideas proportionally (or at least not inversely).  That is basically the purpose of the internet -- to increase our exposure to other people, and to disseminate and to receive ideas.</p><p>It's also well established that people hold the ideas of their peers in higher regard than those of anyone else, except parents for a short time.  This has led to the concept of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer\_pressure" title="wikipedia.org">peer pressure.</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>By placing a group of people together, they will tend to form bonds and groups.  In this case, it's irrelevant who comprises which group, because they all have one thing in common:  They made poor decisions which led to their incarceration.  So you have groups of people with bad ideas and poor decision-making skills, who hold their own opinions in higher regard than those of their custodians, spending most of the day exchanging those ideas, and using their poor decision-making skills to choose which ideas sound good.</p><p>In retrospect, it's really hard to argue that anything good could come of this.  Yes, some people could realize their mistakes, but it seems unlikely that they would speak up even if they did, or that the majority of people would seriously consider their opinion when it clashes with what everyone else is saying (that they didn't do anything wrong, or that their circumstances excuse their behavior).  In effect, to escape from the cycle, they must A) recognize the process which is affecting them, and B) reject the ideas of their peers, which could possibly mean rejecting the only people they share any bonds with.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>3. tending to spread from person to person : contagious laughter.It 's already well established that ideas are contagious , and particularly infectious or virulent ideas are called memes .
It 's obvious that isolating two individuals will prevent the spread of ideas from one to the other , and it logically follows that increasing their exposure increases the spread of ideas proportionally ( or at least not inversely ) .
That is basically the purpose of the internet -- to increase our exposure to other people , and to disseminate and to receive ideas.It 's also well established that people hold the ideas of their peers in higher regard than those of anyone else , except parents for a short time .
This has led to the concept of peer pressure .
[ wikipedia.org ] By placing a group of people together , they will tend to form bonds and groups .
In this case , it 's irrelevant who comprises which group , because they all have one thing in common : They made poor decisions which led to their incarceration .
So you have groups of people with bad ideas and poor decision-making skills , who hold their own opinions in higher regard than those of their custodians , spending most of the day exchanging those ideas , and using their poor decision-making skills to choose which ideas sound good.In retrospect , it 's really hard to argue that anything good could come of this .
Yes , some people could realize their mistakes , but it seems unlikely that they would speak up even if they did , or that the majority of people would seriously consider their opinion when it clashes with what everyone else is saying ( that they did n't do anything wrong , or that their circumstances excuse their behavior ) .
In effect , to escape from the cycle , they must A ) recognize the process which is affecting them , and B ) reject the ideas of their peers , which could possibly mean rejecting the only people they share any bonds with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>3. tending to spread from person to person: contagious laughter.It's already well established that ideas are contagious, and particularly infectious or virulent ideas are called memes.
It's obvious that isolating two individuals will prevent the spread of ideas from one to the other, and it logically follows that increasing their exposure increases the spread of ideas proportionally (or at least not inversely).
That is basically the purpose of the internet -- to increase our exposure to other people, and to disseminate and to receive ideas.It's also well established that people hold the ideas of their peers in higher regard than those of anyone else, except parents for a short time.
This has led to the concept of peer pressure.
[wikipedia.org]By placing a group of people together, they will tend to form bonds and groups.
In this case, it's irrelevant who comprises which group, because they all have one thing in common:  They made poor decisions which led to their incarceration.
So you have groups of people with bad ideas and poor decision-making skills, who hold their own opinions in higher regard than those of their custodians, spending most of the day exchanging those ideas, and using their poor decision-making skills to choose which ideas sound good.In retrospect, it's really hard to argue that anything good could come of this.
Yes, some people could realize their mistakes, but it seems unlikely that they would speak up even if they did, or that the majority of people would seriously consider their opinion when it clashes with what everyone else is saying (that they didn't do anything wrong, or that their circumstances excuse their behavior).
In effect, to escape from the cycle, they must A) recognize the process which is affecting them, and B) reject the ideas of their peers, which could possibly mean rejecting the only people they share any bonds with.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733699</id>
	<title>The Power of Religion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247862360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Say what you will, when it comes to instilling righteous behaviour in boys the power of the 11 Commandments pays off. 11? Ya, it's the 11th Commandment that's crucial, 11th Commandment: Don't get Caught. Current theories on development have taken on as commonplace the idea that we abstract morals, or, social conventions from our environment much as we abstract a subset of language universals and we do so more or less concurrently during the window we have for developing language skills. Studies have shown increases in learning ability can be garnered from placing slower students in with quicker students and that social status plays a significant part in learning. Poorer, lower status students will perform better if placed with more socially advantaged students, but, if initially disadvantaged students are returned to their milieu, their performance gains disappear. mit open course ware has a recent set of lectures on introductory psychology by Professor Wolfe that addresses some of these issues.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Say what you will , when it comes to instilling righteous behaviour in boys the power of the 11 Commandments pays off .
11 ? Ya , it 's the 11th Commandment that 's crucial , 11th Commandment : Do n't get Caught .
Current theories on development have taken on as commonplace the idea that we abstract morals , or , social conventions from our environment much as we abstract a subset of language universals and we do so more or less concurrently during the window we have for developing language skills .
Studies have shown increases in learning ability can be garnered from placing slower students in with quicker students and that social status plays a significant part in learning .
Poorer , lower status students will perform better if placed with more socially advantaged students , but , if initially disadvantaged students are returned to their milieu , their performance gains disappear .
mit open course ware has a recent set of lectures on introductory psychology by Professor Wolfe that addresses some of these issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Say what you will, when it comes to instilling righteous behaviour in boys the power of the 11 Commandments pays off.
11? Ya, it's the 11th Commandment that's crucial, 11th Commandment: Don't get Caught.
Current theories on development have taken on as commonplace the idea that we abstract morals, or, social conventions from our environment much as we abstract a subset of language universals and we do so more or less concurrently during the window we have for developing language skills.
Studies have shown increases in learning ability can be garnered from placing slower students in with quicker students and that social status plays a significant part in learning.
Poorer, lower status students will perform better if placed with more socially advantaged students, but, if initially disadvantaged students are returned to their milieu, their performance gains disappear.
mit open course ware has a recent set of lectures on introductory psychology by Professor Wolfe that addresses some of these issues.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733851</id>
	<title>Confusing cause and effect?</title>
	<author>Cpt\_Kirks</author>
	<datestamp>1247863140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They go into the juvie system, and wind up criminals? The article did not say that, but it was implied.</p><p>Well, let's see: you are enough of a thug to get sent to juvie, and dumb enough that you got caught and sent to juvie.  In juvie, your hand was lightly slapped, and you were turned loose.  Get caught again, get lightly slapped again.  While there, hang out with more thugs.</p><p>Later, you turn 18, and SURPRISE, you get sent to REAL JAIL.  Where you become "bubba's bitch".</p><p>Point is, if you weren't a dumbass thug to begin with, you would not be sent to juvie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They go into the juvie system , and wind up criminals ?
The article did not say that , but it was implied.Well , let 's see : you are enough of a thug to get sent to juvie , and dumb enough that you got caught and sent to juvie .
In juvie , your hand was lightly slapped , and you were turned loose .
Get caught again , get lightly slapped again .
While there , hang out with more thugs.Later , you turn 18 , and SURPRISE , you get sent to REAL JAIL .
Where you become " bubba 's bitch " .Point is , if you were n't a dumbass thug to begin with , you would not be sent to juvie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They go into the juvie system, and wind up criminals?
The article did not say that, but it was implied.Well, let's see: you are enough of a thug to get sent to juvie, and dumb enough that you got caught and sent to juvie.
In juvie, your hand was lightly slapped, and you were turned loose.
Get caught again, get lightly slapped again.
While there, hang out with more thugs.Later, you turn 18, and SURPRISE, you get sent to REAL JAIL.
Where you become "bubba's bitch".Point is, if you weren't a dumbass thug to begin with, you would not be sent to juvie.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28739111</id>
	<title>Two Words</title>
	<author>DynaSoar</author>
	<datestamp>1247909160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Observational learning.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observational\_learning" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observational\_learning</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>According to a new study, if everyone else has arrived at a certain conclusion, you should too. According to a new study, using the phrase "a new study" will get it noticed in the popular science media who count on you failing to differentiate that from "a new result". According to a new study, they will continue to print such misleading non-news not because they're ignorant, but because they don't care whether something is worthy of note as long as they can fill their white space.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Observational learning.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observational \ _learning [ wikipedia.org ] According to a new study , if everyone else has arrived at a certain conclusion , you should too .
According to a new study , using the phrase " a new study " will get it noticed in the popular science media who count on you failing to differentiate that from " a new result " .
According to a new study , they will continue to print such misleading non-news not because they 're ignorant , but because they do n't care whether something is worthy of note as long as they can fill their white space .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Observational learning.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observational\_learning [wikipedia.org]According to a new study, if everyone else has arrived at a certain conclusion, you should too.
According to a new study, using the phrase "a new study" will get it noticed in the popular science media who count on you failing to differentiate that from "a new result".
According to a new study, they will continue to print such misleading non-news not because they're ignorant, but because they don't care whether something is worthy of note as long as they can fill their white space.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Ah yes, another breakthrough from MISPWOSO</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247821500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow... study's result is 'obvious' is Insightful huh? How bout exercising some of that skepticism on the notion of 'obvious'.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow... study 's result is 'obvious ' is Insightful huh ?
How bout exercising some of that skepticism on the notion of 'obvious' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow... study's result is 'obvious' is Insightful huh?
How bout exercising some of that skepticism on the notion of 'obvious'.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734425</id>
	<title>Common Sense</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247822400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>First, the parent is correct,<br><br>Second, education should be about equality of opportunity, not equal achievement for all, that means that the BAD and the STUPID need to be controlled, to enable that equality to the brightest and hard working.<br><br>You in the US are caught up in an orgy of political correctness and confusion which helps nobody and disadvantages all, and MUCH WORSE, it is second time around as Ms. Shirley Williams did exactly that in the UK in the late 60s and 70s (so the Educational Elite and teachers unions can not claim they dont know). And as Obama said "lipstick on a pig" is exactly like assuming you can make all children academic, which is the assumption (WRONG) of the academic elites.<br><br>In Switzerland, education is streamed, and bad behavior is punished quickly, firmly and effectively, which is very likely to get the delinquent child punished physically by their own parents. The result is that we have very little crime and antisocial behavior, well educated kids who are employable, and very low taxes because people take pride in being a "Good Swiss".<br><br>People laugh at the rediculous hi-junks in the US, where the parents (are allowed to) oppose the authorities correcting children, and except for incomers from some parts of Europe, who stand to be expelled, the native Swiss would not think of it.<br><br>The result of this is that 4 year olds can walk to kindergarten safely, and all adults expect to stand in "loco parentis" of any child in need without phobia about paedophilia, as was the case in the rural US 40 years ago.<br><br>Put very simply, you have very arrogantly lost your own way, and the rest of the world is now FULLY wised up to you.<br><br>Your court system, and law, is in a complete mess vide the games SCOX have played for so many years.</htmltext>
<tokenext>First , the parent is correct,Second , education should be about equality of opportunity , not equal achievement for all , that means that the BAD and the STUPID need to be controlled , to enable that equality to the brightest and hard working.You in the US are caught up in an orgy of political correctness and confusion which helps nobody and disadvantages all , and MUCH WORSE , it is second time around as Ms. Shirley Williams did exactly that in the UK in the late 60s and 70s ( so the Educational Elite and teachers unions can not claim they dont know ) .
And as Obama said " lipstick on a pig " is exactly like assuming you can make all children academic , which is the assumption ( WRONG ) of the academic elites.In Switzerland , education is streamed , and bad behavior is punished quickly , firmly and effectively , which is very likely to get the delinquent child punished physically by their own parents .
The result is that we have very little crime and antisocial behavior , well educated kids who are employable , and very low taxes because people take pride in being a " Good Swiss " .People laugh at the rediculous hi-junks in the US , where the parents ( are allowed to ) oppose the authorities correcting children , and except for incomers from some parts of Europe , who stand to be expelled , the native Swiss would not think of it.The result of this is that 4 year olds can walk to kindergarten safely , and all adults expect to stand in " loco parentis " of any child in need without phobia about paedophilia , as was the case in the rural US 40 years ago.Put very simply , you have very arrogantly lost your own way , and the rest of the world is now FULLY wised up to you.Your court system , and law , is in a complete mess vide the games SCOX have played for so many years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First, the parent is correct,Second, education should be about equality of opportunity, not equal achievement for all, that means that the BAD and the STUPID need to be controlled, to enable that equality to the brightest and hard working.You in the US are caught up in an orgy of political correctness and confusion which helps nobody and disadvantages all, and MUCH WORSE, it is second time around as Ms. Shirley Williams did exactly that in the UK in the late 60s and 70s (so the Educational Elite and teachers unions can not claim they dont know).
And as Obama said "lipstick on a pig" is exactly like assuming you can make all children academic, which is the assumption (WRONG) of the academic elites.In Switzerland, education is streamed, and bad behavior is punished quickly, firmly and effectively, which is very likely to get the delinquent child punished physically by their own parents.
The result is that we have very little crime and antisocial behavior, well educated kids who are employable, and very low taxes because people take pride in being a "Good Swiss".People laugh at the rediculous hi-junks in the US, where the parents (are allowed to) oppose the authorities correcting children, and except for incomers from some parts of Europe, who stand to be expelled, the native Swiss would not think of it.The result of this is that 4 year olds can walk to kindergarten safely, and all adults expect to stand in "loco parentis" of any child in need without phobia about paedophilia, as was the case in the rural US 40 years ago.Put very simply, you have very arrogantly lost your own way, and the rest of the world is now FULLY wised up to you.Your court system, and law, is in a complete mess vide the games SCOX have played for so many years.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Everything you need to know about young boys</title>
	<author>Alzheimers</author>
	<datestamp>1247821980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everything you need to know about young boys, you can learn by reading <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord\_of\_the\_flies" title="wikipedia.org">Lord of the Flies.</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everything you need to know about young boys , you can learn by reading Lord of the Flies .
[ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everything you need to know about young boys, you can learn by reading Lord of the Flies.
[wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Doesn't matter if the kids mimic each other or</title>
	<author>ukyoCE</author>
	<datestamp>1247831100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At my elementary school the parents of the "stupid" kids started whining that their kids were being labeled and placed in the "stupid" class.  They raised a fuss and had the classes all mixed together the next year.</p><p>In 2nd grade I got straight As in the smart class.</p><p>In 3rd grade I got straight As in the mixed class without having to do ANY work, and while being completely bored to death for 90\% of the school day.  I even got in trouble by trying to make things challenging for myself because I was so bored.</p><p>After that 1 year the students were re-segregated into smart and stupid classes again.  Why?  Because the stupid kids' parents were upset that their kids were now surrounded by kids who could run circles around them in class.  They were being given the same material and grading scale as the smart kids, and the result was their kids felt even stupider and hopeless.</p><p>In 4th grade I got my first C.  I had been broken of thinking school was fun and challenging, and started doing the bare minimum to get by.  I managed to stay in the gifted classes for the rest of school, but always getting Bs and Cs, sometimes worse.</p><p>I have to wonder what my work ethic would be like (and indeed, my whole persona)  if I hadn't been taught in 3rd grade that I was smarter than everyone else and could get by without any effort.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At my elementary school the parents of the " stupid " kids started whining that their kids were being labeled and placed in the " stupid " class .
They raised a fuss and had the classes all mixed together the next year.In 2nd grade I got straight As in the smart class.In 3rd grade I got straight As in the mixed class without having to do ANY work , and while being completely bored to death for 90 \ % of the school day .
I even got in trouble by trying to make things challenging for myself because I was so bored.After that 1 year the students were re-segregated into smart and stupid classes again .
Why ? Because the stupid kids ' parents were upset that their kids were now surrounded by kids who could run circles around them in class .
They were being given the same material and grading scale as the smart kids , and the result was their kids felt even stupider and hopeless.In 4th grade I got my first C. I had been broken of thinking school was fun and challenging , and started doing the bare minimum to get by .
I managed to stay in the gifted classes for the rest of school , but always getting Bs and Cs , sometimes worse.I have to wonder what my work ethic would be like ( and indeed , my whole persona ) if I had n't been taught in 3rd grade that I was smarter than everyone else and could get by without any effort .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At my elementary school the parents of the "stupid" kids started whining that their kids were being labeled and placed in the "stupid" class.
They raised a fuss and had the classes all mixed together the next year.In 2nd grade I got straight As in the smart class.In 3rd grade I got straight As in the mixed class without having to do ANY work, and while being completely bored to death for 90\% of the school day.
I even got in trouble by trying to make things challenging for myself because I was so bored.After that 1 year the students were re-segregated into smart and stupid classes again.
Why?  Because the stupid kids' parents were upset that their kids were now surrounded by kids who could run circles around them in class.
They were being given the same material and grading scale as the smart kids, and the result was their kids felt even stupider and hopeless.In 4th grade I got my first C.  I had been broken of thinking school was fun and challenging, and started doing the bare minimum to get by.
I managed to stay in the gifted classes for the rest of school, but always getting Bs and Cs, sometimes worse.I have to wonder what my work ethic would be like (and indeed, my whole persona)  if I hadn't been taught in 3rd grade that I was smarter than everyone else and could get by without any effort.</sentencetext>
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	<title>The real freeloaders</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247826120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A few years ago here in Germany, a study was conducted by <a href="http://www.mckinsey.com/" title="mckinsey.com" rel="nofollow">a leading business consultancy company</a> [mckinsey.com] for a measly six or seven figure number to explain the big success of discount stores over here.</p><p>After half a year of mulling over the data, they announced they were pretty sure it had something to do with the prices.</p><p>If you understand German, here's the German cabaret artist <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko5CCSomDMY" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Volker Pispers</a> [youtube.com] talking about it. If not, it still might be interesting to see how political entertainment looks like over here when it's good.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A few years ago here in Germany , a study was conducted by a leading business consultancy company [ mckinsey.com ] for a measly six or seven figure number to explain the big success of discount stores over here.After half a year of mulling over the data , they announced they were pretty sure it had something to do with the prices.If you understand German , here 's the German cabaret artist Volker Pispers [ youtube.com ] talking about it .
If not , it still might be interesting to see how political entertainment looks like over here when it 's good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A few years ago here in Germany, a study was conducted by a leading business consultancy company [mckinsey.com] for a measly six or seven figure number to explain the big success of discount stores over here.After half a year of mulling over the data, they announced they were pretty sure it had something to do with the prices.If you understand German, here's the German cabaret artist Volker Pispers [youtube.com] talking about it.
If not, it still might be interesting to see how political entertainment looks like over here when it's good.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28737841</id>
	<title>This is another "duh!" study</title>
	<author>Master of Transhuman</author>
	<datestamp>1247845920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course if you get screwed over by law enforcement, the courts and the correctional system, all of which is designed to PUNISH people, you're going to have a bad attitude, even if you didn't start out with a bad attitude.</p><p>Read my lips: punishment does not work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course if you get screwed over by law enforcement , the courts and the correctional system , all of which is designed to PUNISH people , you 're going to have a bad attitude , even if you did n't start out with a bad attitude.Read my lips : punishment does not work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course if you get screwed over by law enforcement, the courts and the correctional system, all of which is designed to PUNISH people, you're going to have a bad attitude, even if you didn't start out with a bad attitude.Read my lips: punishment does not work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734397</id>
	<title>Re:warning!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247822340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>For the good of this country, we need to concentrate on making sure our best students get the best education. This should be a higher priority than trying to make scientists out of juvenile criminals and bullies. Society doesn't need, and will never get 100\% genius-status for all students, anyway. Attempts to make this happen will likely drag us all down.</p></div></div><p>Whereas society definitely does need smart people. Trying to drag them down by putting them in the same class as the stupid kids only results in endless frustration for them. Worse, as their school days will likely be filled with frustration and bullying, you risk them dropping out of school (or at least, never reaching their potential) as well.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>But do you have a plan for those juvenile criminals and bullies? Or are you just going to let them grow into adult criminals and get stacked into the already-overpopulated prisons?</p></div><p>Yes, we can preventively stick them in already-overpopulated prisons before they ever reach adulthood.</p><p>Hah, you hadn't thought of -that- now had you?</p></div>
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<tokenext>For the good of this country , we need to concentrate on making sure our best students get the best education .
This should be a higher priority than trying to make scientists out of juvenile criminals and bullies .
Society does n't need , and will never get 100 \ % genius-status for all students , anyway .
Attempts to make this happen will likely drag us all down.Whereas society definitely does need smart people .
Trying to drag them down by putting them in the same class as the stupid kids only results in endless frustration for them .
Worse , as their school days will likely be filled with frustration and bullying , you risk them dropping out of school ( or at least , never reaching their potential ) as well.But do you have a plan for those juvenile criminals and bullies ?
Or are you just going to let them grow into adult criminals and get stacked into the already-overpopulated prisons ? Yes , we can preventively stick them in already-overpopulated prisons before they ever reach adulthood.Hah , you had n't thought of -that- now had you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the good of this country, we need to concentrate on making sure our best students get the best education.
This should be a higher priority than trying to make scientists out of juvenile criminals and bullies.
Society doesn't need, and will never get 100\% genius-status for all students, anyway.
Attempts to make this happen will likely drag us all down.Whereas society definitely does need smart people.
Trying to drag them down by putting them in the same class as the stupid kids only results in endless frustration for them.
Worse, as their school days will likely be filled with frustration and bullying, you risk them dropping out of school (or at least, never reaching their potential) as well.But do you have a plan for those juvenile criminals and bullies?
Or are you just going to let them grow into adult criminals and get stacked into the already-overpopulated prisons?Yes, we can preventively stick them in already-overpopulated prisons before they ever reach adulthood.Hah, you hadn't thought of -that- now had you?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734401</id>
	<title>Girls?</title>
	<author>Theaetetus</author>
	<datestamp>1247822340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The summary seems to imply that delinquent behavior is more contagious among boys than girls:<p><div class="quote"><p>According to a new study, if everyone else was committing a crime you would too, <b>at least if you are a boy</b>.</p></div><p>However, the article says nothing about that. The research study only involved boys:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The research team sought out boys from kindergarten who were at risk for delinquent behavior and who were enrolled at 53 schools from the poorest neighbourhoods in Montreal. Some 779 participants were interviewed annually from the age of 10 until 17 years. By their mid-20s, some 17.6 percent of participants ended up with adult criminal records for infractions that included homicide (17.9 percent); arson (31.2 percent); prostitution (25.5 percent); drug possession (16.4 percent) and impaired driving (8.8 percent).</p></div><p>And the conclusion has nothing to do with gender:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>"For boys who had been through the juvenile justice system, compared to boys with similar histories <b>without judicial involvement</b>, the odds of adult judicial interventions increased almost seven-fold,"</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary seems to imply that delinquent behavior is more contagious among boys than girls : According to a new study , if everyone else was committing a crime you would too , at least if you are a boy.However , the article says nothing about that .
The research study only involved boys : The research team sought out boys from kindergarten who were at risk for delinquent behavior and who were enrolled at 53 schools from the poorest neighbourhoods in Montreal .
Some 779 participants were interviewed annually from the age of 10 until 17 years .
By their mid-20s , some 17.6 percent of participants ended up with adult criminal records for infractions that included homicide ( 17.9 percent ) ; arson ( 31.2 percent ) ; prostitution ( 25.5 percent ) ; drug possession ( 16.4 percent ) and impaired driving ( 8.8 percent ) .And the conclusion has nothing to do with gender : " For boys who had been through the juvenile justice system , compared to boys with similar histories without judicial involvement , the odds of adult judicial interventions increased almost seven-fold , "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The summary seems to imply that delinquent behavior is more contagious among boys than girls:According to a new study, if everyone else was committing a crime you would too, at least if you are a boy.However, the article says nothing about that.
The research study only involved boys:The research team sought out boys from kindergarten who were at risk for delinquent behavior and who were enrolled at 53 schools from the poorest neighbourhoods in Montreal.
Some 779 participants were interviewed annually from the age of 10 until 17 years.
By their mid-20s, some 17.6 percent of participants ended up with adult criminal records for infractions that included homicide (17.9 percent); arson (31.2 percent); prostitution (25.5 percent); drug possession (16.4 percent) and impaired driving (8.8 percent).And the conclusion has nothing to do with gender:"For boys who had been through the juvenile justice system, compared to boys with similar histories without judicial involvement, the odds of adult judicial interventions increased almost seven-fold,"
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28736657</id>
	<title>Re:Cognitive dissnonance, probably</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247835540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The ones who prosecuted them are just a bunch of jerks, and if they don't respect me why should I respect them?</p></div><p>And what about the people doing the prosecuting? Those uncouth morons don't respect them OR society, why should we tolerate their delinquent behavior?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The ones who prosecuted them are just a bunch of jerks , and if they do n't respect me why should I respect them ? And what about the people doing the prosecuting ?
Those uncouth morons do n't respect them OR society , why should we tolerate their delinquent behavior ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ones who prosecuted them are just a bunch of jerks, and if they don't respect me why should I respect them?And what about the people doing the prosecuting?
Those uncouth morons don't respect them OR society, why should we tolerate their delinquent behavior?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28736469</id>
	<title>Re:Common Sense</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1247834220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>People laugh at the rediculous hi-junks in the US,</p></div><p>That may be, but <i>we</i> can spell "ridiculous." And as for "hijinx"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>People laugh at the rediculous hi-junks in the US,That may be , but we can spell " ridiculous .
" And as for " hijinx " ... well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People laugh at the rediculous hi-junks in the US,That may be, but we can spell "ridiculous.
" And as for "hijinx" ... well.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734515</id>
	<title>Re:warning!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247822760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I transferred schools once early in high school and at my new school I accidentally got placed in a class with the...ahem...non-honors students. For a brief time (before the school realized the mistake and pulled me out of there) I felt like a small guy showing up to his first day in prison wearing a dress and lipstick. Basically it taught me that various forms of segregation (not just racial, but by class and ability too) existed for a REASON. As politically-incorrect as it is to say it, no WAY do I want my kid going to school with the trailer park and ghetto crowd. I want my kid to have the private school education that I always dreamed of, cries of elitism and segregation be damned. Sorry if that offends, but someone should be honest here.
</p><p>
Mixing the smart kids and the dumb kids doesn't lift the dumb kids up, it just gets the smart kids' asses kicked.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I transferred schools once early in high school and at my new school I accidentally got placed in a class with the...ahem...non-honors students .
For a brief time ( before the school realized the mistake and pulled me out of there ) I felt like a small guy showing up to his first day in prison wearing a dress and lipstick .
Basically it taught me that various forms of segregation ( not just racial , but by class and ability too ) existed for a REASON .
As politically-incorrect as it is to say it , no WAY do I want my kid going to school with the trailer park and ghetto crowd .
I want my kid to have the private school education that I always dreamed of , cries of elitism and segregation be damned .
Sorry if that offends , but someone should be honest here .
Mixing the smart kids and the dumb kids does n't lift the dumb kids up , it just gets the smart kids ' asses kicked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I transferred schools once early in high school and at my new school I accidentally got placed in a class with the...ahem...non-honors students.
For a brief time (before the school realized the mistake and pulled me out of there) I felt like a small guy showing up to his first day in prison wearing a dress and lipstick.
Basically it taught me that various forms of segregation (not just racial, but by class and ability too) existed for a REASON.
As politically-incorrect as it is to say it, no WAY do I want my kid going to school with the trailer park and ghetto crowd.
I want my kid to have the private school education that I always dreamed of, cries of elitism and segregation be damned.
Sorry if that offends, but someone should be honest here.
Mixing the smart kids and the dumb kids doesn't lift the dumb kids up, it just gets the smart kids' asses kicked.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733901</id>
	<title>Classic sampling error.</title>
	<author>Ungrounded Lightning</author>
	<datestamp>1247863380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The summary would seem to indicate a classic methodology error:  A selected sample.</p><p>Were kids who were in the juvenile justice system more likely to be young-adult crooks because of peer pressure in the system?  Or were they in the system because they were young crooks on their way to becoming old crooks.</p><p>Of course to do a controlled experiment you'd have to randomly select some kids and put them into juvenile detention whether they committed any crime or not.  Not particularly practical (and definitely not legal OR fair).</p><p>And doing so would (rightly) give the condemned innocent a belief that the justice system was a joke.  Expect him to believe that, if he's going to be treated as a criminal anyway, he might as well enjoy some swag.  (Which brings up the issue of how many innocent people condemned by criminal justice system error go on to become actual criminals.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary would seem to indicate a classic methodology error : A selected sample.Were kids who were in the juvenile justice system more likely to be young-adult crooks because of peer pressure in the system ?
Or were they in the system because they were young crooks on their way to becoming old crooks.Of course to do a controlled experiment you 'd have to randomly select some kids and put them into juvenile detention whether they committed any crime or not .
Not particularly practical ( and definitely not legal OR fair ) .And doing so would ( rightly ) give the condemned innocent a belief that the justice system was a joke .
Expect him to believe that , if he 's going to be treated as a criminal anyway , he might as well enjoy some swag .
( Which brings up the issue of how many innocent people condemned by criminal justice system error go on to become actual criminals .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The summary would seem to indicate a classic methodology error:  A selected sample.Were kids who were in the juvenile justice system more likely to be young-adult crooks because of peer pressure in the system?
Or were they in the system because they were young crooks on their way to becoming old crooks.Of course to do a controlled experiment you'd have to randomly select some kids and put them into juvenile detention whether they committed any crime or not.
Not particularly practical (and definitely not legal OR fair).And doing so would (rightly) give the condemned innocent a belief that the justice system was a joke.
Expect him to believe that, if he's going to be treated as a criminal anyway, he might as well enjoy some swag.
(Which brings up the issue of how many innocent people condemned by criminal justice system error go on to become actual criminals.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733947</id>
	<title>Re:Ah yes, another breakthrough from MISPWOSO</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1247863620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The part about judicial intervention being a predictor of judicial intervention to come is less obvious.</p><p>Of course, if it is just a result of the most delinquent kids receiving the most attention when they are young and continuing the behavior anyway, it is less interesting, but the article doesn't make it clear exactly what 'similar histories' means, so there isn't really any way to tell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The part about judicial intervention being a predictor of judicial intervention to come is less obvious.Of course , if it is just a result of the most delinquent kids receiving the most attention when they are young and continuing the behavior anyway , it is less interesting , but the article does n't make it clear exactly what 'similar histories ' means , so there is n't really any way to tell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The part about judicial intervention being a predictor of judicial intervention to come is less obvious.Of course, if it is just a result of the most delinquent kids receiving the most attention when they are young and continuing the behavior anyway, it is less interesting, but the article doesn't make it clear exactly what 'similar histories' means, so there isn't really any way to tell.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28735645</id>
	<title>Re:Ah yes, another breakthrough from MISPWOSO</title>
	<author>dov\_0</author>
	<datestamp>1247829180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The basic tenets of Differential Association Theory are that criminal (or delinquent) behavior is learned, usually through contact/behavior modeling of an intimate social group (peers). Further criminological theories posit that the labeling of these group behaviors as deviant can cause the group to develop their own subculture with values apart from traditional society. Therefore, the labeling involved in the "help given by the juvenile justice system" actually promotes continued deviant behavior.</p></div><p>In my experience of teaching children, this is very true. Kids stuff up. That's just part of growing up, but if you call a kid a 'bad' kid often enough, they will become a really bad kid most of the time. If you separate the behaviour from the value statements you make of the child, they will more likely learn to address their errors as errors and see themselves as 'good' or worthwhile people. Basic psychology and it works.</p><p>On TFA's statement that kids who had been through the justice system were more likely to offend as young adults. Well, they don't call jails the 'schoolhouse' for nothing. There is a dual causation here. Self-image and learning from a peer group.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The basic tenets of Differential Association Theory are that criminal ( or delinquent ) behavior is learned , usually through contact/behavior modeling of an intimate social group ( peers ) .
Further criminological theories posit that the labeling of these group behaviors as deviant can cause the group to develop their own subculture with values apart from traditional society .
Therefore , the labeling involved in the " help given by the juvenile justice system " actually promotes continued deviant behavior.In my experience of teaching children , this is very true .
Kids stuff up .
That 's just part of growing up , but if you call a kid a 'bad ' kid often enough , they will become a really bad kid most of the time .
If you separate the behaviour from the value statements you make of the child , they will more likely learn to address their errors as errors and see themselves as 'good ' or worthwhile people .
Basic psychology and it works.On TFA 's statement that kids who had been through the justice system were more likely to offend as young adults .
Well , they do n't call jails the 'schoolhouse ' for nothing .
There is a dual causation here .
Self-image and learning from a peer group .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The basic tenets of Differential Association Theory are that criminal (or delinquent) behavior is learned, usually through contact/behavior modeling of an intimate social group (peers).
Further criminological theories posit that the labeling of these group behaviors as deviant can cause the group to develop their own subculture with values apart from traditional society.
Therefore, the labeling involved in the "help given by the juvenile justice system" actually promotes continued deviant behavior.In my experience of teaching children, this is very true.
Kids stuff up.
That's just part of growing up, but if you call a kid a 'bad' kid often enough, they will become a really bad kid most of the time.
If you separate the behaviour from the value statements you make of the child, they will more likely learn to address their errors as errors and see themselves as 'good' or worthwhile people.
Basic psychology and it works.On TFA's statement that kids who had been through the justice system were more likely to offend as young adults.
Well, they don't call jails the 'schoolhouse' for nothing.
There is a dual causation here.
Self-image and learning from a peer group.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733323</id>
	<title>warning!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247860620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This may be true: sticking the bad kids in with the good kids may improve the behavior of the bad kids. <b>BUT BE WARNED!</b> I was part of an educational experiment in which honors students (such as myself) were placed in an 6th-grade English class with, well, the criminal class.</p><p>I LEARNED NOTHING IN THAT CLASS! The teacher spent the whole time playing cop to stop the delinquents. Furthermore, sticking us in with them actually encouraged the good students to out-bad the bad students. It was a complete disaster.</p><p>For the good of this country, we need to concentrate on making sure our best students get the best education. This should be a higher priority than trying to make scientists out of juvenile criminals and bullies. Society doesn't need, and will never get 100\% genius-status for all students, anyway. Attempts to make this happen will likely drag us all down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This may be true : sticking the bad kids in with the good kids may improve the behavior of the bad kids .
BUT BE WARNED !
I was part of an educational experiment in which honors students ( such as myself ) were placed in an 6th-grade English class with , well , the criminal class.I LEARNED NOTHING IN THAT CLASS !
The teacher spent the whole time playing cop to stop the delinquents .
Furthermore , sticking us in with them actually encouraged the good students to out-bad the bad students .
It was a complete disaster.For the good of this country , we need to concentrate on making sure our best students get the best education .
This should be a higher priority than trying to make scientists out of juvenile criminals and bullies .
Society does n't need , and will never get 100 \ % genius-status for all students , anyway .
Attempts to make this happen will likely drag us all down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This may be true: sticking the bad kids in with the good kids may improve the behavior of the bad kids.
BUT BE WARNED!
I was part of an educational experiment in which honors students (such as myself) were placed in an 6th-grade English class with, well, the criminal class.I LEARNED NOTHING IN THAT CLASS!
The teacher spent the whole time playing cop to stop the delinquents.
Furthermore, sticking us in with them actually encouraged the good students to out-bad the bad students.
It was a complete disaster.For the good of this country, we need to concentrate on making sure our best students get the best education.
This should be a higher priority than trying to make scientists out of juvenile criminals and bullies.
Society doesn't need, and will never get 100\% genius-status for all students, anyway.
Attempts to make this happen will likely drag us all down.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28738025</id>
	<title>Re:Common Sense</title>
	<author>prichardson</author>
	<datestamp>1247848260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree with almost everything you say, but corporal punishment is seriously uncool.</p><p>In the United States it's generally poorer families that hit their kids when they do something wrong.  Those are also the families that spawn most delinquents.</p><p>This is not a coincidence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with almost everything you say , but corporal punishment is seriously uncool.In the United States it 's generally poorer families that hit their kids when they do something wrong .
Those are also the families that spawn most delinquents.This is not a coincidence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with almost everything you say, but corporal punishment is seriously uncool.In the United States it's generally poorer families that hit their kids when they do something wrong.
Those are also the families that spawn most delinquents.This is not a coincidence.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733727</id>
	<title>This just in...</title>
	<author>Absolut187</author>
	<datestamp>1247862540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most people are idiots who act like Chimpanzees.</p><p>Label this "utterly unsurprising"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people are idiots who act like Chimpanzees.Label this " utterly unsurprising "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people are idiots who act like Chimpanzees.Label this "utterly unsurprising"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28736501</id>
	<title>Re:warning!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247834400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>heheh, you beat me to it!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>heheh , you beat me to it !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>heheh, you beat me to it!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733337</id>
	<title>Cognitive dissnonance, probably</title>
	<author>vadim\_t</author>
	<datestamp>1247860740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most people don't think they're doing something wrong. They just were hanging out with their friends, or having fun, and don't deserve getting dragged through the courts for it. The ones who prosecuted them are just a bunch of jerks, and if they don't respect me why should I respect them?</p><p>Another possible factor is that when this happens once, the people involved probably start getting watched more and treated with more suspicion. If people are watching you more, you're more likely to get caught. And if everybody assumes you're going to steal, some people come to the conclusion they might as well go and do that, since they're being assumed to anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people do n't think they 're doing something wrong .
They just were hanging out with their friends , or having fun , and do n't deserve getting dragged through the courts for it .
The ones who prosecuted them are just a bunch of jerks , and if they do n't respect me why should I respect them ? Another possible factor is that when this happens once , the people involved probably start getting watched more and treated with more suspicion .
If people are watching you more , you 're more likely to get caught .
And if everybody assumes you 're going to steal , some people come to the conclusion they might as well go and do that , since they 're being assumed to anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people don't think they're doing something wrong.
They just were hanging out with their friends, or having fun, and don't deserve getting dragged through the courts for it.
The ones who prosecuted them are just a bunch of jerks, and if they don't respect me why should I respect them?Another possible factor is that when this happens once, the people involved probably start getting watched more and treated with more suspicion.
If people are watching you more, you're more likely to get caught.
And if everybody assumes you're going to steal, some people come to the conclusion they might as well go and do that, since they're being assumed to anyway.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734917</id>
	<title>Re:Ah yes, another breakthrough from MISPWOSO</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247824500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Errr...ummm....you cited two THEORIES.  While you may think all that fancy talk makes you sound smart, the article cited a STUDY not a THEORY.  Granted, the whole thing sounds like a phenomenal waste of time and money, but the existence of a THEORY does not preclude studies to verify it.  Otherwise, they would not be called theories, but rather laws, maxims, axioms or the like.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Errr...ummm....you cited two THEORIES .
While you may think all that fancy talk makes you sound smart , the article cited a STUDY not a THEORY .
Granted , the whole thing sounds like a phenomenal waste of time and money , but the existence of a THEORY does not preclude studies to verify it .
Otherwise , they would not be called theories , but rather laws , maxims , axioms or the like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Errr...ummm....you cited two THEORIES.
While you may think all that fancy talk makes you sound smart, the article cited a STUDY not a THEORY.
Granted, the whole thing sounds like a phenomenal waste of time and money, but the existence of a THEORY does not preclude studies to verify it.
Otherwise, they would not be called theories, but rather laws, maxims, axioms or the like.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734693</id>
	<title>Hey Peter!  Watch your cornhole, buddy</title>
	<author>Mr. Firewall</author>
	<datestamp>1247823420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So...</p><p>If your boy is a penny-stealing, wanna-be criminal [dramatic pause] man who spends five years in a federal pound-me-in-the-ass penitentiary...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... he's more likely to grow up to be a Bad Person?</p><p>Fuckin' A, man!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So...If your boy is a penny-stealing , wan na-be criminal [ dramatic pause ] man who spends five years in a federal pound-me-in-the-ass penitentiary... ... he 's more likely to grow up to be a Bad Person ? Fuckin ' A , man !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So...If your boy is a penny-stealing, wanna-be criminal [dramatic pause] man who spends five years in a federal pound-me-in-the-ass penitentiary... ... he's more likely to grow up to be a Bad Person?Fuckin' A, man!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28807005</id>
	<title>oldie but a goodie</title>
	<author>flythebike</author>
	<datestamp>1248450360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I took a sociology class 20 years ago where a guest speaker posited that criminals are educated by other criminals in prison on how to be better criminals. So none of this is really huge news but it is always good to get proof of such ideas.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I took a sociology class 20 years ago where a guest speaker posited that criminals are educated by other criminals in prison on how to be better criminals .
So none of this is really huge news but it is always good to get proof of such ideas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I took a sociology class 20 years ago where a guest speaker posited that criminals are educated by other criminals in prison on how to be better criminals.
So none of this is really huge news but it is always good to get proof of such ideas.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28750299</id>
	<title>Re:How exactly is this &ldquo;contagious&rdquo;?</title>
	<author>Duggeek</author>
	<datestamp>1247998980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sage point... I don't believe that word applies to behavioral factors one bit.</p><p>The expression &ldquo;laughter is contagious&rdquo; is only a metaphor, which everyone seems to accept. To apply it in a clinical context is just ludicrous; is there an antibiotic that would eliminate laughter? Does laughter pass from one person to another through contagions or microbes? NO! It's behavioral, it&rsquo;s a function of the mind and physiology, but it is not a pathogen.</p><p>None of that is to say that the phenomenon isn't worth study. Another clich&eacute; says, &ldquo;boys will be boys,&rdquo; a glib justification to allow young males to pursue their reckless endeavors. I believe the propensity for young males to mimic each others&rsquo; mis-adventures is an oft-neglected factor in juvenile discipline, parenting and in general society.</p><p>Spinning the phenomenon as "contagious" is like finding a cure for yawning. They're barking up the wrong tree, that isn't even a tree, because it's a signpost, and they didn't read the signpost because they're dogs... unless they're really just humans who happen to be barking mad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sage point... I do n't believe that word applies to behavioral factors one bit.The expression    laughter is contagious    is only a metaphor , which everyone seems to accept .
To apply it in a clinical context is just ludicrous ; is there an antibiotic that would eliminate laughter ?
Does laughter pass from one person to another through contagions or microbes ?
NO ! It 's behavioral , it    s a function of the mind and physiology , but it is not a pathogen.None of that is to say that the phenomenon is n't worth study .
Another clich   says ,    boys will be boys ,    a glib justification to allow young males to pursue their reckless endeavors .
I believe the propensity for young males to mimic each others    mis-adventures is an oft-neglected factor in juvenile discipline , parenting and in general society.Spinning the phenomenon as " contagious " is like finding a cure for yawning .
They 're barking up the wrong tree , that is n't even a tree , because it 's a signpost , and they did n't read the signpost because they 're dogs... unless they 're really just humans who happen to be barking mad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sage point... I don't believe that word applies to behavioral factors one bit.The expression “laughter is contagious” is only a metaphor, which everyone seems to accept.
To apply it in a clinical context is just ludicrous; is there an antibiotic that would eliminate laughter?
Does laughter pass from one person to another through contagions or microbes?
NO! It's behavioral, it’s a function of the mind and physiology, but it is not a pathogen.None of that is to say that the phenomenon isn't worth study.
Another cliché says, “boys will be boys,” a glib justification to allow young males to pursue their reckless endeavors.
I believe the propensity for young males to mimic each others’ mis-adventures is an oft-neglected factor in juvenile discipline, parenting and in general society.Spinning the phenomenon as "contagious" is like finding a cure for yawning.
They're barking up the wrong tree, that isn't even a tree, because it's a signpost, and they didn't read the signpost because they're dogs... unless they're really just humans who happen to be barking mad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733589</id>
	<title>Re:warning!</title>
	<author>Neil Blender</author>
	<datestamp>1247861940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I was part of an educational experiment in which honors students (such as myself) were placed in <b>an</b> 6th-grade English class...I LEARNED NOTHING IN THAT CLASS! </i></p><p>Apparently.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was part of an educational experiment in which honors students ( such as myself ) were placed in an 6th-grade English class...I LEARNED NOTHING IN THAT CLASS !
Apparently .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was part of an educational experiment in which honors students (such as myself) were placed in an 6th-grade English class...I LEARNED NOTHING IN THAT CLASS!
Apparently.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733323</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734623</id>
	<title>WHOA</title>
	<author>rawr\_one</author>
	<datestamp>1247823180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stop the presses!</p><p> <strong>People With Criminal History More Likely to Commit Crimes</strong> </p><p>Last I checked, people who are delinquent/criminal are not very easy to change, and have always been known to have a higher chance of committing a crime in the future.  How is this <em>new</em>?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop the presses !
People With Criminal History More Likely to Commit Crimes Last I checked , people who are delinquent/criminal are not very easy to change , and have always been known to have a higher chance of committing a crime in the future .
How is this new ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop the presses!
People With Criminal History More Likely to Commit Crimes Last I checked, people who are delinquent/criminal are not very easy to change, and have always been known to have a higher chance of committing a crime in the future.
How is this new?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28737803</id>
	<title>Re:Common Sense</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247845500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>In Switzerland, education is streamed, and bad behavior is punished quickly, firmly and effectively, which is very likely to get the delinquent child punished physically by their own parents. The result is that we have very little crime and antisocial behavior, well educated kids who are employable, and very low taxes because people take pride in being a "Good Swiss".</i>
<p>
When I was in the public school system in Montana (I graduated from high school in 1972) things were very much as you describe. And far from producing an army of unthinking zombies, it produced a great many free-thinking, creative, yet responsible people -- and one of the last bastions of citizens with enough backbone to resist political correctness, and to stand up to some of the nonsense coming out of D.C. (such as RealID).
</p><p>
We started to lose our way when some nebulous concept of teaching "self-esteem" took precedence over actual education. Yet another side effect of the nanny state.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Switzerland , education is streamed , and bad behavior is punished quickly , firmly and effectively , which is very likely to get the delinquent child punished physically by their own parents .
The result is that we have very little crime and antisocial behavior , well educated kids who are employable , and very low taxes because people take pride in being a " Good Swiss " .
When I was in the public school system in Montana ( I graduated from high school in 1972 ) things were very much as you describe .
And far from producing an army of unthinking zombies , it produced a great many free-thinking , creative , yet responsible people -- and one of the last bastions of citizens with enough backbone to resist political correctness , and to stand up to some of the nonsense coming out of D.C. ( such as RealID ) .
We started to lose our way when some nebulous concept of teaching " self-esteem " took precedence over actual education .
Yet another side effect of the nanny state .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Switzerland, education is streamed, and bad behavior is punished quickly, firmly and effectively, which is very likely to get the delinquent child punished physically by their own parents.
The result is that we have very little crime and antisocial behavior, well educated kids who are employable, and very low taxes because people take pride in being a "Good Swiss".
When I was in the public school system in Montana (I graduated from high school in 1972) things were very much as you describe.
And far from producing an army of unthinking zombies, it produced a great many free-thinking, creative, yet responsible people -- and one of the last bastions of citizens with enough backbone to resist political correctness, and to stand up to some of the nonsense coming out of D.C. (such as RealID).
We started to lose our way when some nebulous concept of teaching "self-esteem" took precedence over actual education.
Yet another side effect of the nanny state.
:(
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28740635</id>
	<title>Re:Contagious?</title>
	<author>Dogtanian</author>
	<datestamp>1247930880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Was this study conducted by the ministry of cliched motherhood fears? Next on their agenda: if all of your friends jumped off a bridge, would you?</p></div><p> <a href="http://news.google.com/news?pz=1&amp;ned=us&amp;hl=en&amp;q=tombstoning" title="google.com">Yeah, turns out that this *is* the case.</a> [google.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Was this study conducted by the ministry of cliched motherhood fears ?
Next on their agenda : if all of your friends jumped off a bridge , would you ?
Yeah , turns out that this * is * the case .
[ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Was this study conducted by the ministry of cliched motherhood fears?
Next on their agenda: if all of your friends jumped off a bridge, would you?
Yeah, turns out that this *is* the case.
[google.com]
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733297</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28737141</id>
	<title>Only boys? Yeah right!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247839140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I raise you the third reich, politicians in general, religions/cults, movements, and just about any other event of a strong reality of a loud person dragging half the country with him.</p><p>I wonder how often that was re-discovered already...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I raise you the third reich , politicians in general , religions/cults , movements , and just about any other event of a strong reality of a loud person dragging half the country with him.I wonder how often that was re-discovered already.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I raise you the third reich, politicians in general, religions/cults, movements, and just about any other event of a strong reality of a loud person dragging half the country with him.I wonder how often that was re-discovered already...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733863</id>
	<title>Re:Ah yes, another breakthrough from MISPWOSO</title>
	<author>Kabuthunk</author>
	<datestamp>1247863140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly.</p><p><b>This just in: Peer pressure exists.</b></p><p>News at 11.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly.This just in : Peer pressure exists.News at 11 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.This just in: Peer pressure exists.News at 11.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733287</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733687</id>
	<title>Oh really?</title>
	<author>hnangelo</author>
	<datestamp>1247862300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Come on! That is really money well spend in a study. 20 years to tell the obvious, and they even limited to only boys! I can complete their study in 5 seconds: "and girls too".

Every behaviour is "contagious", people do it to fit in. That's no news.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Come on !
That is really money well spend in a study .
20 years to tell the obvious , and they even limited to only boys !
I can complete their study in 5 seconds : " and girls too " .
Every behaviour is " contagious " , people do it to fit in .
That 's no news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Come on!
That is really money well spend in a study.
20 years to tell the obvious, and they even limited to only boys!
I can complete their study in 5 seconds: "and girls too".
Every behaviour is "contagious", people do it to fit in.
That's no news.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28735475</id>
	<title>Re:Create a Positive Peer Culture</title>
	<author>labnet</author>
	<datestamp>1247827980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well done for making a positive contribution to society!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well done for making a positive contribution to society !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well done for making a positive contribution to society!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734277</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733663</id>
	<title>More restsraint and brains</title>
	<author>avandesande</author>
	<datestamp>1247862240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you are telling me that boys from a bad background that manage to stay out of juvie are also more likely to stay out of jail? Amazing!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you are telling me that boys from a bad background that manage to stay out of juvie are also more likely to stay out of jail ?
Amazing !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you are telling me that boys from a bad background that manage to stay out of juvie are also more likely to stay out of jail?
Amazing!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734001</id>
	<title>ob. "fixed that" joke</title>
	<author>Mr. Firewall</author>
	<datestamp>1247863860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>According to a new study, if everyone else was committing a crime you would too, at least if you are a <b>Democrat</b>.</p></div><p>There, fixed that for you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to a new study , if everyone else was committing a crime you would too , at least if you are a Democrat.There , fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to a new study, if everyone else was committing a crime you would too, at least if you are a Democrat.There, fixed that for you.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733299</id>
	<title>How exactly is this contagious?</title>
	<author>Monkeedude1212</author>
	<datestamp>1247860560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They imply that this environment causes this behaviour, which might be true. Just like living under a Power-line, Cell phone tower, and beside a nuclear power plant, MIGHT cause some cancerous effects.</p><p>However, that doesn't make it CONTAGIOUS.</p><p><a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Contagious" title="reference.com" rel="nofollow">http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Contagious</a> [reference.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They imply that this environment causes this behaviour , which might be true .
Just like living under a Power-line , Cell phone tower , and beside a nuclear power plant , MIGHT cause some cancerous effects.However , that does n't make it CONTAGIOUS.http : //dictionary.reference.com/browse/Contagious [ reference.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They imply that this environment causes this behaviour, which might be true.
Just like living under a Power-line, Cell phone tower, and beside a nuclear power plant, MIGHT cause some cancerous effects.However, that doesn't make it CONTAGIOUS.http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Contagious [reference.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733765</id>
	<title>Re:warning!</title>
	<author>DutchUncle</author>
	<datestamp>1247862720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've seen the same thing from the other side, as a probationary teacher.  Class settles down, trouble-maker walks in late and then continues being disruptive, and the rest of the class period is shot.  Try telling the football or basketball coach that you're going to "mainstream" the team by including below-average members, rather than selecting the most talented for the appropriate sport.  Then explain why we disrupt the intellectual side of the school instead.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen the same thing from the other side , as a probationary teacher .
Class settles down , trouble-maker walks in late and then continues being disruptive , and the rest of the class period is shot .
Try telling the football or basketball coach that you 're going to " mainstream " the team by including below-average members , rather than selecting the most talented for the appropriate sport .
Then explain why we disrupt the intellectual side of the school instead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen the same thing from the other side, as a probationary teacher.
Class settles down, trouble-maker walks in late and then continues being disruptive, and the rest of the class period is shot.
Try telling the football or basketball coach that you're going to "mainstream" the team by including below-average members, rather than selecting the most talented for the appropriate sport.
Then explain why we disrupt the intellectual side of the school instead.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733667</id>
	<title>This is a new idea?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247862240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential\_association</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential \ _association</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential\_association</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733275</id>
	<title>System</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247860380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There's money in prisons, pointless drug laws etc.  It's not an accident things work out this way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's money in prisons , pointless drug laws etc .
It 's not an accident things work out this way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's money in prisons, pointless drug laws etc.
It's not an accident things work out this way.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28735863</id>
	<title>Phew!</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1247830560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>BUT BE WARNED! I was part of an educational experiment in which honors students (such as myself) were placed in an 6th-grade English class with, well, the criminal class.</p></div><p>Phew! Thanks for warning me about your participation!  (j/k...)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>BUT BE WARNED !
I was part of an educational experiment in which honors students ( such as myself ) were placed in an 6th-grade English class with , well , the criminal class.Phew !
Thanks for warning me about your participation !
( j/k... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BUT BE WARNED!
I was part of an educational experiment in which honors students (such as myself) were placed in an 6th-grade English class with, well, the criminal class.Phew!
Thanks for warning me about your participation!
(j/k...)
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734833</id>
	<title>surprising?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247824020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What was more surprising is that exposure to the juvenile justice system seemed to increase the chance that the boy would engage in criminal activity as a young adult</p></div></blockquote><p>Why is this listed surprising?  It's already well known that our prisons are training grounds for committing future crimes, not places for rehabilitation or punishment.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What was more surprising is that exposure to the juvenile justice system seemed to increase the chance that the boy would engage in criminal activity as a young adultWhy is this listed surprising ?
It 's already well known that our prisons are training grounds for committing future crimes , not places for rehabilitation or punishment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What was more surprising is that exposure to the juvenile justice system seemed to increase the chance that the boy would engage in criminal activity as a young adultWhy is this listed surprising?
It's already well known that our prisons are training grounds for committing future crimes, not places for rehabilitation or punishment.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733289</id>
	<title>Correlation not causation?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247860500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where's the tag?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where 's the tag ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where's the tag?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733755</id>
	<title>Re:warning!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247862660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, people tend to talk as though it's fine to foster antisocial criminality and hopelessness in kids, because hey, we need people to work at McDonalds too!  But think a little more about that-- do you think that solves the problem?
</p><p>Don't all levels of all industries need good, hard, smart workers?  Not all need the same sort of education and experience, but certainly every business benefits from not-having the employees steal from the till.  All business benefit from having someone smart enough to work efficiently, to keep up with (or maybe even invent) new ways of doing things.
</p><p>Does society in general benefit from having poorly-educated criminals?  How many social and economic problems are helped by lower crime rates?  We lose less money to theft and damage.  We spend less money on law enforcement and jails.  We produce more when everyone is employed and productive instead of in jail.  And the obvious: we're all safer when crime rates go down.
</p><p>I'm not claiming there's an easy answer, but it's certainly worth our trouble to try to educate all children, and to help them find a place in the world where they can be "productive members of society" (whatever that means).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , people tend to talk as though it 's fine to foster antisocial criminality and hopelessness in kids , because hey , we need people to work at McDonalds too !
But think a little more about that-- do you think that solves the problem ?
Do n't all levels of all industries need good , hard , smart workers ?
Not all need the same sort of education and experience , but certainly every business benefits from not-having the employees steal from the till .
All business benefit from having someone smart enough to work efficiently , to keep up with ( or maybe even invent ) new ways of doing things .
Does society in general benefit from having poorly-educated criminals ?
How many social and economic problems are helped by lower crime rates ?
We lose less money to theft and damage .
We spend less money on law enforcement and jails .
We produce more when everyone is employed and productive instead of in jail .
And the obvious : we 're all safer when crime rates go down .
I 'm not claiming there 's an easy answer , but it 's certainly worth our trouble to try to educate all children , and to help them find a place in the world where they can be " productive members of society " ( whatever that means ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, people tend to talk as though it's fine to foster antisocial criminality and hopelessness in kids, because hey, we need people to work at McDonalds too!
But think a little more about that-- do you think that solves the problem?
Don't all levels of all industries need good, hard, smart workers?
Not all need the same sort of education and experience, but certainly every business benefits from not-having the employees steal from the till.
All business benefit from having someone smart enough to work efficiently, to keep up with (or maybe even invent) new ways of doing things.
Does society in general benefit from having poorly-educated criminals?
How many social and economic problems are helped by lower crime rates?
We lose less money to theft and damage.
We spend less money on law enforcement and jails.
We produce more when everyone is employed and productive instead of in jail.
And the obvious: we're all safer when crime rates go down.
I'm not claiming there's an easy answer, but it's certainly worth our trouble to try to educate all children, and to help them find a place in the world where they can be "productive members of society" (whatever that means).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733909</id>
	<title>Try ANY behavior...</title>
	<author>polyomninym</author>
	<datestamp>1247863440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here's a better headline: Study Finds Behavior Among Boys Is "Contagious".  Note the missing descriptor.  I've seen any behavior, from good to bad, be contagious among groups of boys, and hey guess what, girls too.  Whatever seems "Alpha" "must" be the thing to do.  I certainly don't want to be the last kid on the block to do (fill in the blank.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a better headline : Study Finds Behavior Among Boys Is " Contagious " .
Note the missing descriptor .
I 've seen any behavior , from good to bad , be contagious among groups of boys , and hey guess what , girls too .
Whatever seems " Alpha " " must " be the thing to do .
I certainly do n't want to be the last kid on the block to do ( fill in the blank .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a better headline: Study Finds Behavior Among Boys Is "Contagious".
Note the missing descriptor.
I've seen any behavior, from good to bad, be contagious among groups of boys, and hey guess what, girls too.
Whatever seems "Alpha" "must" be the thing to do.
I certainly don't want to be the last kid on the block to do (fill in the blank.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733619</id>
	<title>Re:warning!</title>
	<author>CarpetShark</author>
	<datestamp>1247862060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know, just about that whole post was pretty twisted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , just about that whole post was pretty twisted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, just about that whole post was pretty twisted.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734073</id>
	<title>Re:warning!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247864100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why wouldn't they instead take one or two bad kids and put them in with classes full of 'good' kids? Sounds like they were trying to isolate you, not the other way around.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would n't they instead take one or two bad kids and put them in with classes full of 'good ' kids ?
Sounds like they were trying to isolate you , not the other way around .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why wouldn't they instead take one or two bad kids and put them in with classes full of 'good' kids?
Sounds like they were trying to isolate you, not the other way around.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28735311</id>
	<title>Re:Create a Positive Peer Culture</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247826840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wish I had mod points to give you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish I had mod points to give you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish I had mod points to give you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734323</id>
	<title>Re:Ah yes, another breakthrough from MISPWOSO</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1247821980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, I for one am shocked to learn that kids who grow up in shitty neighborhoods, with shitty parents, hanging around and bunch of drug dealers and gangbangers are more likely to turn to a life of crime than a kid who grows up in the affluent suburbs with attentive and caring parents. The hell you say!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I for one am shocked to learn that kids who grow up in shitty neighborhoods , with shitty parents , hanging around and bunch of drug dealers and gangbangers are more likely to turn to a life of crime than a kid who grows up in the affluent suburbs with attentive and caring parents .
The hell you say !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I for one am shocked to learn that kids who grow up in shitty neighborhoods, with shitty parents, hanging around and bunch of drug dealers and gangbangers are more likely to turn to a life of crime than a kid who grows up in the affluent suburbs with attentive and caring parents.
The hell you say!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734989</id>
	<title>Re:How exactly is this contagious?</title>
	<author>vertinox</author>
	<datestamp>1247824860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>However, that doesn't make it CONTAGIOUS.</i></p><p>I think they mean by contagious is that you can infect a person who goes on to infect another person without involving the original person.</p><p>As in your example a power line may give someone cancer, but that sick person going off and hanging out with other people is not going to give them cancer.</p><p>Now if the person had the swine flue... They could pass that off to other people who in turn pass it on to other people.</p><p>Same thing with behavior. Kids see one kid doing something so they start doing it and someone else copies in and it infects a slew of kids who never met the original and the next thing you know you've got a whole new POKEMON FAD for no good reason.</p><p>To say it doesn't happen is foolish... One has to point out at the popularity of the backstreet boys and Pokemon as empirical proof.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>However , that does n't make it CONTAGIOUS.I think they mean by contagious is that you can infect a person who goes on to infect another person without involving the original person.As in your example a power line may give someone cancer , but that sick person going off and hanging out with other people is not going to give them cancer.Now if the person had the swine flue... They could pass that off to other people who in turn pass it on to other people.Same thing with behavior .
Kids see one kid doing something so they start doing it and someone else copies in and it infects a slew of kids who never met the original and the next thing you know you 've got a whole new POKEMON FAD for no good reason.To say it does n't happen is foolish... One has to point out at the popularity of the backstreet boys and Pokemon as empirical proof .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, that doesn't make it CONTAGIOUS.I think they mean by contagious is that you can infect a person who goes on to infect another person without involving the original person.As in your example a power line may give someone cancer, but that sick person going off and hanging out with other people is not going to give them cancer.Now if the person had the swine flue... They could pass that off to other people who in turn pass it on to other people.Same thing with behavior.
Kids see one kid doing something so they start doing it and someone else copies in and it infects a slew of kids who never met the original and the next thing you know you've got a whole new POKEMON FAD for no good reason.To say it doesn't happen is foolish... One has to point out at the popularity of the backstreet boys and Pokemon as empirical proof.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28738031</id>
	<title>Re:warning!</title>
	<author>pete6677</author>
	<datestamp>1247848560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a lot easier to keep having illegitimate children when the government subsidizes it.</p><p>Incidentally, how the hell did this article end up on Slashdot?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a lot easier to keep having illegitimate children when the government subsidizes it.Incidentally , how the hell did this article end up on Slashdot ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a lot easier to keep having illegitimate children when the government subsidizes it.Incidentally, how the hell did this article end up on Slashdot?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28736759</id>
	<title>Re:Common Sense</title>
	<author>misexistentialist</author>
	<datestamp>1247836260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>  The result is that we have very little crime and antisocial behavior, well educated kids who are employable, and very low taxes because people take pride in being a "Good Swiss".</p></div><p>Indeed, the guys maintaining the vaults of Nazi gold and other non-legal assets are efficient, very civil, and dress immaculately.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The result is that we have very little crime and antisocial behavior , well educated kids who are employable , and very low taxes because people take pride in being a " Good Swiss " .Indeed , the guys maintaining the vaults of Nazi gold and other non-legal assets are efficient , very civil , and dress immaculately .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  The result is that we have very little crime and antisocial behavior, well educated kids who are employable, and very low taxes because people take pride in being a "Good Swiss".Indeed, the guys maintaining the vaults of Nazi gold and other non-legal assets are efficient, very civil, and dress immaculately.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28736385</id>
	<title>Re:Ah yes, another breakthrough from MISPWOSO</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247833800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Study Finds Delinquent Behavior Among Boys Is "Contagious"</p> </div><p>Does that include homosexual behavior? If it is, I'm damn glad I don't spend any time around boys.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Study Finds Delinquent Behavior Among Boys Is " Contagious " Does that include homosexual behavior ?
If it is , I 'm damn glad I do n't spend any time around boys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Study Finds Delinquent Behavior Among Boys Is "Contagious" Does that include homosexual behavior?
If it is, I'm damn glad I don't spend any time around boys.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734677</id>
	<title>Re:warning!</title>
	<author>AP31R0N</author>
	<datestamp>1247823360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is why i say that we shouldn't focus on making class sizes smaller, but on putting more adults in the classroom.  Imagine if each class had a teacher in the front and another in the back. Or a parent.  The teacher can focus on teaching and the assistant can be the eyes in the back of the teacher's head.</p><p>And yeah, i agree with separating kids by behavior and interest level.  Get the problem kids together, give them the attention they crave, and work on getting them to WANT to play along and to WANT to be in the other class.  Not by threats of being a failure or punishment, but helping them understand the benefits.  By teaching them that they CAN do well.  i didn't know i could get good grades until i was a Junior in high school, by then it was too late.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why i say that we should n't focus on making class sizes smaller , but on putting more adults in the classroom .
Imagine if each class had a teacher in the front and another in the back .
Or a parent .
The teacher can focus on teaching and the assistant can be the eyes in the back of the teacher 's head.And yeah , i agree with separating kids by behavior and interest level .
Get the problem kids together , give them the attention they crave , and work on getting them to WANT to play along and to WANT to be in the other class .
Not by threats of being a failure or punishment , but helping them understand the benefits .
By teaching them that they CAN do well .
i did n't know i could get good grades until i was a Junior in high school , by then it was too late .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why i say that we shouldn't focus on making class sizes smaller, but on putting more adults in the classroom.
Imagine if each class had a teacher in the front and another in the back.
Or a parent.
The teacher can focus on teaching and the assistant can be the eyes in the back of the teacher's head.And yeah, i agree with separating kids by behavior and interest level.
Get the problem kids together, give them the attention they crave, and work on getting them to WANT to play along and to WANT to be in the other class.
Not by threats of being a failure or punishment, but helping them understand the benefits.
By teaching them that they CAN do well.
i didn't know i could get good grades until i was a Junior in high school, by then it was too late.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733297</id>
	<title>Contagious?</title>
	<author>sjfoland</author>
	<datestamp>1247860500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Was this study conducted by the ministry of cliched motherhood fears?

Next on their agenda: if all of your friends jumped off a bridge, would you?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Was this study conducted by the ministry of cliched motherhood fears ?
Next on their agenda : if all of your friends jumped off a bridge , would you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Was this study conducted by the ministry of cliched motherhood fears?
Next on their agenda: if all of your friends jumped off a bridge, would you?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733859</id>
	<title>Re:Ah yes, another breakthrough from MISPWOSO</title>
	<author>princessproton</author>
	<datestamp>1247863140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not only obvious, but previously described by criminologists. Sutherland's <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential\_association" title="wikipedia.org">Differential Association Theory</a> [wikipedia.org] was published in the '70s, and even those concepts were grounded in Social Learning Theory, which was developed in the 1800s.</p><p>The basic tenets of Differential Association Theory are that criminal (or delinquent) behavior is learned, usually through contact/behavior modeling of an intimate social group (peers). Further criminological theories posit that the labeling of these group behaviors as deviant can cause the group to develop their own subculture with values apart from traditional society. Therefore, the <i>labeling</i> involved in the "help given by the juvenile justice system" actually promotes continued deviant behavior.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only obvious , but previously described by criminologists .
Sutherland 's Differential Association Theory [ wikipedia.org ] was published in the '70s , and even those concepts were grounded in Social Learning Theory , which was developed in the 1800s.The basic tenets of Differential Association Theory are that criminal ( or delinquent ) behavior is learned , usually through contact/behavior modeling of an intimate social group ( peers ) .
Further criminological theories posit that the labeling of these group behaviors as deviant can cause the group to develop their own subculture with values apart from traditional society .
Therefore , the labeling involved in the " help given by the juvenile justice system " actually promotes continued deviant behavior .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only obvious, but previously described by criminologists.
Sutherland's Differential Association Theory [wikipedia.org] was published in the '70s, and even those concepts were grounded in Social Learning Theory, which was developed in the 1800s.The basic tenets of Differential Association Theory are that criminal (or delinquent) behavior is learned, usually through contact/behavior modeling of an intimate social group (peers).
Further criminological theories posit that the labeling of these group behaviors as deviant can cause the group to develop their own subculture with values apart from traditional society.
Therefore, the labeling involved in the "help given by the juvenile justice system" actually promotes continued deviant behavior.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734589</id>
	<title>Re:warning!</title>
	<author>Zerth</author>
	<datestamp>1247823060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I volunteered for a class like that.  I learned many things, such as:</p><p>1) how to pick a lock<br>2) how to palm a beer into your sleeve<br>3) where to buy illegal drugs<br>4) classes with high female-to-male ratios are great for 3/4's of the class<br>5) which uppers made you lose pregnancy weight the fastest(not too useful)<br>6) "if you don't hate me, why haven't you had sex with me" means <b> <i>Run!,</i> </b> not <b> <i>Awesome!</i> </b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I volunteered for a class like that .
I learned many things , such as : 1 ) how to pick a lock2 ) how to palm a beer into your sleeve3 ) where to buy illegal drugs4 ) classes with high female-to-male ratios are great for 3/4 's of the class5 ) which uppers made you lose pregnancy weight the fastest ( not too useful ) 6 ) " if you do n't hate me , why have n't you had sex with me " means Run ! , not Awesome !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I volunteered for a class like that.
I learned many things, such as:1) how to pick a lock2) how to palm a beer into your sleeve3) where to buy illegal drugs4) classes with high female-to-male ratios are great for 3/4's of the class5) which uppers made you lose pregnancy weight the fastest(not too useful)6) "if you don't hate me, why haven't you had sex with me" means  Run!,  not  Awesome! </sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28738281</id>
	<title>And yet another layer of "Duh!"</title>
	<author>MagusSlurpy</author>
	<datestamp>1247851860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"For boys who had been through the juvenile justice system, compared to boys with similar histories without judicial involvement, the odds of adult judicial interventions increased almost seven-fold,"</p></div><p>Well, duh.  If they're smart enough to not get caught when they're young, they're probably smart enough to not get caught when they're older.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" For boys who had been through the juvenile justice system , compared to boys with similar histories without judicial involvement , the odds of adult judicial interventions increased almost seven-fold , " Well , duh .
If they 're smart enough to not get caught when they 're young , they 're probably smart enough to not get caught when they 're older .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"For boys who had been through the juvenile justice system, compared to boys with similar histories without judicial involvement, the odds of adult judicial interventions increased almost seven-fold,"Well, duh.
If they're smart enough to not get caught when they're young, they're probably smart enough to not get caught when they're older.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733287</id>
	<title>Ah yes, another breakthrough from MISPWOSO</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247860500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Boys more likely to do what the other boys in their peer group are doing.  Juvenile delinquents teach juveniles to be delinquents."</p><p>Another amazing result by the Maximegallion Institute for Slowly and Painfully Working Out the Surprisingly Obvious.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Boys more likely to do what the other boys in their peer group are doing .
Juvenile delinquents teach juveniles to be delinquents .
" Another amazing result by the Maximegallion Institute for Slowly and Painfully Working Out the Surprisingly Obvious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Boys more likely to do what the other boys in their peer group are doing.
Juvenile delinquents teach juveniles to be delinquents.
"Another amazing result by the Maximegallion Institute for Slowly and Painfully Working Out the Surprisingly Obvious.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:warning!</title>
	<author>MaWeiTao</author>
	<datestamp>1247862900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I agree. And I also feel it's time parents started being held accountable for what their kids are doing. Too many parents just don't care and that needs to change.</p><p>I went to what most would consider inner city schools. I noticed, fairly consistently, that those kids who's parents actually paid attention to what their kids were doing tended to do well. The ones where the parents were virtually non-existent were the biggest troublemakers, troublemaker being a huge understatement. And the ones who truly excelled were the ones who's parents were demanding and didn't tolerate nonsense. It certainly wasn't a guarantee at all, but doubtless it improved the odds.</p><p>Income seems to not make a difference, except for the obvious fact that if a kid grows up around successful chances are they will learn from them and do well themselves. Although I know quite a few people who grew up fairly well off and are quite messed up. So again, parenting is important. I think race is irrelevant but cultural background is very important. Virtually all of my Asian friends in the US are successful and excelled in school. It wasn't because of any sort of inherent ability but because their parents were extremely demanding and would never tolerate poor grades. Some parents see it as a source of pride that their kids end up in ivy league schools, almost to the point of being vain, like owning a BMW or something from Burberry.</p><p>A problem I find with a lot of Americans is that they segregate children from adults. I'll go to a party and see the kids all sent off to the children's table and told to to interrupt adults. Growing up, whenever we had get together kids were sitting around with adults, learning from them. Sometimes the topics were mature and the kids didn't get it, but that was irrelevant. The problem with keeping them separate is that kids are stupid. So what are they going to learn from each other? Nothing but more stupidity. Certainly it's perfectly fine for kids to interact and play together, but American culture has taken it to an extreme. To the point where even kids think it's uncool to be around adults. Look at kid's television, this nonsense is constantly perpetuated. So how are they supposed to have any respect for anything and learn? Another problem is this importance a lot of parents place on their kids being sociable; the more friends they have, the more activities they engage in, the better. That's all well and good, but again, from what I've seen it causes too many problems. The moment kids get too fixated on their friends their grades suffer, among other things.</p><p>Honestly, I don't know how parents are held accountable for their children, especially in cases where guys just knock up a girl and dump her. Not that these girls are victims themselves. I've had a few classmates who got pregnant as teenagers, but kept living the single lifestyle, going to clubs and whatnot and got pregnant with second and third children, often each by a different father. How the hell do you address that? Especially when some people don't even see the problem or don't care.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
And I also feel it 's time parents started being held accountable for what their kids are doing .
Too many parents just do n't care and that needs to change.I went to what most would consider inner city schools .
I noticed , fairly consistently , that those kids who 's parents actually paid attention to what their kids were doing tended to do well .
The ones where the parents were virtually non-existent were the biggest troublemakers , troublemaker being a huge understatement .
And the ones who truly excelled were the ones who 's parents were demanding and did n't tolerate nonsense .
It certainly was n't a guarantee at all , but doubtless it improved the odds.Income seems to not make a difference , except for the obvious fact that if a kid grows up around successful chances are they will learn from them and do well themselves .
Although I know quite a few people who grew up fairly well off and are quite messed up .
So again , parenting is important .
I think race is irrelevant but cultural background is very important .
Virtually all of my Asian friends in the US are successful and excelled in school .
It was n't because of any sort of inherent ability but because their parents were extremely demanding and would never tolerate poor grades .
Some parents see it as a source of pride that their kids end up in ivy league schools , almost to the point of being vain , like owning a BMW or something from Burberry.A problem I find with a lot of Americans is that they segregate children from adults .
I 'll go to a party and see the kids all sent off to the children 's table and told to to interrupt adults .
Growing up , whenever we had get together kids were sitting around with adults , learning from them .
Sometimes the topics were mature and the kids did n't get it , but that was irrelevant .
The problem with keeping them separate is that kids are stupid .
So what are they going to learn from each other ?
Nothing but more stupidity .
Certainly it 's perfectly fine for kids to interact and play together , but American culture has taken it to an extreme .
To the point where even kids think it 's uncool to be around adults .
Look at kid 's television , this nonsense is constantly perpetuated .
So how are they supposed to have any respect for anything and learn ?
Another problem is this importance a lot of parents place on their kids being sociable ; the more friends they have , the more activities they engage in , the better .
That 's all well and good , but again , from what I 've seen it causes too many problems .
The moment kids get too fixated on their friends their grades suffer , among other things.Honestly , I do n't know how parents are held accountable for their children , especially in cases where guys just knock up a girl and dump her .
Not that these girls are victims themselves .
I 've had a few classmates who got pregnant as teenagers , but kept living the single lifestyle , going to clubs and whatnot and got pregnant with second and third children , often each by a different father .
How the hell do you address that ?
Especially when some people do n't even see the problem or do n't care .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
And I also feel it's time parents started being held accountable for what their kids are doing.
Too many parents just don't care and that needs to change.I went to what most would consider inner city schools.
I noticed, fairly consistently, that those kids who's parents actually paid attention to what their kids were doing tended to do well.
The ones where the parents were virtually non-existent were the biggest troublemakers, troublemaker being a huge understatement.
And the ones who truly excelled were the ones who's parents were demanding and didn't tolerate nonsense.
It certainly wasn't a guarantee at all, but doubtless it improved the odds.Income seems to not make a difference, except for the obvious fact that if a kid grows up around successful chances are they will learn from them and do well themselves.
Although I know quite a few people who grew up fairly well off and are quite messed up.
So again, parenting is important.
I think race is irrelevant but cultural background is very important.
Virtually all of my Asian friends in the US are successful and excelled in school.
It wasn't because of any sort of inherent ability but because their parents were extremely demanding and would never tolerate poor grades.
Some parents see it as a source of pride that their kids end up in ivy league schools, almost to the point of being vain, like owning a BMW or something from Burberry.A problem I find with a lot of Americans is that they segregate children from adults.
I'll go to a party and see the kids all sent off to the children's table and told to to interrupt adults.
Growing up, whenever we had get together kids were sitting around with adults, learning from them.
Sometimes the topics were mature and the kids didn't get it, but that was irrelevant.
The problem with keeping them separate is that kids are stupid.
So what are they going to learn from each other?
Nothing but more stupidity.
Certainly it's perfectly fine for kids to interact and play together, but American culture has taken it to an extreme.
To the point where even kids think it's uncool to be around adults.
Look at kid's television, this nonsense is constantly perpetuated.
So how are they supposed to have any respect for anything and learn?
Another problem is this importance a lot of parents place on their kids being sociable; the more friends they have, the more activities they engage in, the better.
That's all well and good, but again, from what I've seen it causes too many problems.
The moment kids get too fixated on their friends their grades suffer, among other things.Honestly, I don't know how parents are held accountable for their children, especially in cases where guys just knock up a girl and dump her.
Not that these girls are victims themselves.
I've had a few classmates who got pregnant as teenagers, but kept living the single lifestyle, going to clubs and whatnot and got pregnant with second and third children, often each by a different father.
How the hell do you address that?
Especially when some people don't even see the problem or don't care.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733753</id>
	<title>Doesn't matter if the kids mimic each other or not</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247862660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>If you mix kids with too much variety in intelligence then you either teach at a level for the smart kids and leave the stupid kids behind because they can't possibly keep up or you teach at a level for the stupid kids and the smart kids get bored and quit learning.
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It's much better to split kids up into classes that are suited to their strengths and weaknesses rather than be PC and stick 'em all together.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you mix kids with too much variety in intelligence then you either teach at a level for the smart kids and leave the stupid kids behind because they ca n't possibly keep up or you teach at a level for the stupid kids and the smart kids get bored and quit learning .
It 's much better to split kids up into classes that are suited to their strengths and weaknesses rather than be PC and stick 'em all together .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you mix kids with too much variety in intelligence then you either teach at a level for the smart kids and leave the stupid kids behind because they can't possibly keep up or you teach at a level for the stupid kids and the smart kids get bored and quit learning.
It's much better to split kids up into classes that are suited to their strengths and weaknesses rather than be PC and stick 'em all together.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28735365</id>
	<title>Can this finding be applied...</title>
	<author>rnturn</author>
	<datestamp>1247827200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>... to explain the recent flurry of stories about US Senators that can't seem to keep their pants zipped when in the company of women they're not married to?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... to explain the recent flurry of stories about US Senators that ca n't seem to keep their pants zipped when in the company of women they 're not married to ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... to explain the recent flurry of stories about US Senators that can't seem to keep their pants zipped when in the company of women they're not married to?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734233</id>
	<title>Everything In Moderation...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247821620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What's that line from GATTICA, "there's no gene for the human spirit".  Or the old saying, "experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other".

Human nature rewards the majority that follows the pack.  Childhood is a wonderful time to test social boundaries and explore behavioral limits.  You've seen the classroom success formula: if 90\% of the kids get the material, the program is generally regarded as a success.  Those that don't have to make it up by repetition or worse case, expulsion.  Even in social settings where problem kids tend to accumulate (youth authority, detention, alternative schools) there are measured degrees of success where the kids tend to get the message.  In situations where a choice is presented, people tend to migrate by and large to the reward versus the pushishment.

There are those kids that will fight tooth and nail to the bitter end, spending years learning the same mistakes and lessons again and again which is unfortunate.  Kids with potential for good and bad behavior eventually reach a point - they can change their ways and correct the course.  Barring some chemical defenciency or dependancy, most kids choose thankfully make the right choice.

Bad kids do not necessarily beget bad kids.  At some point, the child makes a choice to continue being a bad kid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's that line from GATTICA , " there 's no gene for the human spirit " .
Or the old saying , " experience keeps a dear school , but fools will learn in no other " .
Human nature rewards the majority that follows the pack .
Childhood is a wonderful time to test social boundaries and explore behavioral limits .
You 've seen the classroom success formula : if 90 \ % of the kids get the material , the program is generally regarded as a success .
Those that do n't have to make it up by repetition or worse case , expulsion .
Even in social settings where problem kids tend to accumulate ( youth authority , detention , alternative schools ) there are measured degrees of success where the kids tend to get the message .
In situations where a choice is presented , people tend to migrate by and large to the reward versus the pushishment .
There are those kids that will fight tooth and nail to the bitter end , spending years learning the same mistakes and lessons again and again which is unfortunate .
Kids with potential for good and bad behavior eventually reach a point - they can change their ways and correct the course .
Barring some chemical defenciency or dependancy , most kids choose thankfully make the right choice .
Bad kids do not necessarily beget bad kids .
At some point , the child makes a choice to continue being a bad kid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's that line from GATTICA, "there's no gene for the human spirit".
Or the old saying, "experience keeps a dear school, but fools will learn in no other".
Human nature rewards the majority that follows the pack.
Childhood is a wonderful time to test social boundaries and explore behavioral limits.
You've seen the classroom success formula: if 90\% of the kids get the material, the program is generally regarded as a success.
Those that don't have to make it up by repetition or worse case, expulsion.
Even in social settings where problem kids tend to accumulate (youth authority, detention, alternative schools) there are measured degrees of success where the kids tend to get the message.
In situations where a choice is presented, people tend to migrate by and large to the reward versus the pushishment.
There are those kids that will fight tooth and nail to the bitter end, spending years learning the same mistakes and lessons again and again which is unfortunate.
Kids with potential for good and bad behavior eventually reach a point - they can change their ways and correct the course.
Barring some chemical defenciency or dependancy, most kids choose thankfully make the right choice.
Bad kids do not necessarily beget bad kids.
At some point, the child makes a choice to continue being a bad kid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28739427</id>
	<title>That is why I dont want to go to prison...</title>
	<author>Cur8or</author>
	<datestamp>1247914260000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I dont want to learn to be a better criminal and I dont want to catch "the gay".</htmltext>
<tokenext>I dont want to learn to be a better criminal and I dont want to catch " the gay " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dont want to learn to be a better criminal and I dont want to catch "the gay".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28744125</id>
	<title>Grafiiti and breaking the law</title>
	<author>JaumPaw</author>
	<datestamp>1247918520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>According to a broadcast I've watched by Prof. Spitzer*, it seems that observing the law being broken in some place, makes people break it too.<br>Say someone see a sign saying "no graffiti allowed" and behind it a wall with graffiti on it, and say someone else has put an advert on the first's windshield - he will more likely throw it on the ground right away than dispose of it in a trashcan. I suppose it is something to do with "Status-Quo", it signals that the law is a joke around that area and so you will act accordingly.<br>Now, back to the topic - when your peers misbehave, you will more likely misbehave. This seems to be in direct relation to the graffiti example.<br>I have also read, in a book by Steven Pinker (The Black Slate), that youngsters learn to behave from their environment and not their parents.<br>What their parents are able to do however is to be careful about who they let their children hang out with.<br>Yes, it seems that bad behavior is contagious - this is another expression of what seems to be in the human nature; When in Rome...</p><p>*link, in German: <a href="http://www.br-online.de/br-alpha/geist-und-gehirn/geist-und-gehirn-manfred-spitzer-gehirnforschung-ID1240404245825.xml" title="br-online.de" rel="nofollow">http://www.br-online.de/br-alpha/geist-und-gehirn/geist-und-gehirn-manfred-spitzer-gehirnforschung-ID1240404245825.xml</a> [br-online.de]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to a broadcast I 've watched by Prof. Spitzer * , it seems that observing the law being broken in some place , makes people break it too.Say someone see a sign saying " no graffiti allowed " and behind it a wall with graffiti on it , and say someone else has put an advert on the first 's windshield - he will more likely throw it on the ground right away than dispose of it in a trashcan .
I suppose it is something to do with " Status-Quo " , it signals that the law is a joke around that area and so you will act accordingly.Now , back to the topic - when your peers misbehave , you will more likely misbehave .
This seems to be in direct relation to the graffiti example.I have also read , in a book by Steven Pinker ( The Black Slate ) , that youngsters learn to behave from their environment and not their parents.What their parents are able to do however is to be careful about who they let their children hang out with.Yes , it seems that bad behavior is contagious - this is another expression of what seems to be in the human nature ; When in Rome... * link , in German : http : //www.br-online.de/br-alpha/geist-und-gehirn/geist-und-gehirn-manfred-spitzer-gehirnforschung-ID1240404245825.xml [ br-online.de ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to a broadcast I've watched by Prof. Spitzer*, it seems that observing the law being broken in some place, makes people break it too.Say someone see a sign saying "no graffiti allowed" and behind it a wall with graffiti on it, and say someone else has put an advert on the first's windshield - he will more likely throw it on the ground right away than dispose of it in a trashcan.
I suppose it is something to do with "Status-Quo", it signals that the law is a joke around that area and so you will act accordingly.Now, back to the topic - when your peers misbehave, you will more likely misbehave.
This seems to be in direct relation to the graffiti example.I have also read, in a book by Steven Pinker (The Black Slate), that youngsters learn to behave from their environment and not their parents.What their parents are able to do however is to be careful about who they let their children hang out with.Yes, it seems that bad behavior is contagious - this is another expression of what seems to be in the human nature; When in Rome...*link, in German: http://www.br-online.de/br-alpha/geist-und-gehirn/geist-und-gehirn-manfred-spitzer-gehirnforschung-ID1240404245825.xml [br-online.de]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28736599</id>
	<title>Re:Everything In Moderation...</title>
	<author>justinlee37</author>
	<datestamp>1247835180000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p> <i>Human nature rewards the majority that follows the pack</i> </p><p>For example, observe the history of Nazi Germany!</p><p>Oh wait. Maybe resistance to authority is a good thing. Oops!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Human nature rewards the majority that follows the pack For example , observe the history of Nazi Germany ! Oh wait .
Maybe resistance to authority is a good thing .
Oops !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Human nature rewards the majority that follows the pack For example, observe the history of Nazi Germany!Oh wait.
Maybe resistance to authority is a good thing.
Oops!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733955</id>
	<title>Re:warning!</title>
	<author>Ian Alexander</author>
	<datestamp>1247863680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>I don't think what happens in the classroom is by any stretch of the imagination the decisive formative influence on young people. Putting honors students in with the delinquents won't help because the delinquents have an entire life outside the classroom that propels them towards delinquency. Messed-up situations at home, living in a bad neighborhood, having a social network full of other people who are on the same track as them... having a good education is a component to getting out of that situation but it's by no means enough.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think what happens in the classroom is by any stretch of the imagination the decisive formative influence on young people .
Putting honors students in with the delinquents wo n't help because the delinquents have an entire life outside the classroom that propels them towards delinquency .
Messed-up situations at home , living in a bad neighborhood , having a social network full of other people who are on the same track as them... having a good education is a component to getting out of that situation but it 's by no means enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think what happens in the classroom is by any stretch of the imagination the decisive formative influence on young people.
Putting honors students in with the delinquents won't help because the delinquents have an entire life outside the classroom that propels them towards delinquency.
Messed-up situations at home, living in a bad neighborhood, having a social network full of other people who are on the same track as them... having a good education is a component to getting out of that situation but it's by no means enough.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733995</id>
	<title>Correlation != Causation</title>
	<author>Sir Holo</author>
	<datestamp>1247863860000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Correlation != Causation</htmltext>
<tokenext>Correlation ! = Causation</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Correlation != Causation</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28735485</id>
	<title>Re:warning!</title>
	<author>russotto</author>
	<datestamp>1247828040000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The question is whether it works the other way: would you have a better chance of reforming the behavior of an individual problem student if you placed him with the honors class?</p></div></blockquote><p>More likely you'll corrupt some of the honors students (if they weren't already).  Bad drives out good.</p></div>
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<tokenext>The question is whether it works the other way : would you have a better chance of reforming the behavior of an individual problem student if you placed him with the honors class ? More likely you 'll corrupt some of the honors students ( if they were n't already ) .
Bad drives out good .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The question is whether it works the other way: would you have a better chance of reforming the behavior of an individual problem student if you placed him with the honors class?More likely you'll corrupt some of the honors students (if they weren't already).
Bad drives out good.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734095</id>
	<title>Re:warning!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247864220000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> <b> Lord Ender: </b> <i>For the good of this country, we need to concentrate on making sure our best students get the best education. This should be a higher priority...</i></p></div><p>Hmmn, reinforcing the existing class structure.  Haven't we been here before?<br>
<br>
Those who do not have the good sense to be born into advantage deserve what they get.<br>
<br>
(NOTE: sarcasm)</p></div>
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<tokenext>Lord Ender : For the good of this country , we need to concentrate on making sure our best students get the best education .
This should be a higher priority...Hmmn , reinforcing the existing class structure .
Have n't we been here before ?
Those who do not have the good sense to be born into advantage deserve what they get .
( NOTE : sarcasm )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  Lord Ender:  For the good of this country, we need to concentrate on making sure our best students get the best education.
This should be a higher priority...Hmmn, reinforcing the existing class structure.
Haven't we been here before?
Those who do not have the good sense to be born into advantage deserve what they get.
(NOTE: sarcasm)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734475</id>
	<title>Re:Cognitive dissnonance, probably</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247822580000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>vadim\_t wrote: <i>And if everybody assumes you're going to steal, some people come to the conclusion they might as well go and do that, since they're being assumed to anyway.</i></p><p>This, of course, leads to the realization that if one is convicted and jailed for something they did not do, then, once free, they might as well do it. IOW, actually rape the bitch who's testimony send you up the river for 10 years, once you get out, for example.</p><p>Or, go one better: if ever jailed for a crime you did not commit (yes, whether an act was criminal is sometimes dependent on interpretation, and not a question of fact, but let's ignore those cases), declare war on society when you get out, commiting murder and mayhem until "they" kill you. Hmm, how much does a black market nuke cost, and what would it take to get it on a container ship bound for a densly populated sea port? <b>Mwuahahahaha!</b></p><p>Now, we get into the realm where the thought police get interested. You know, the ones who can't tell the difference between musing about consipiring to commit acts of violence, murder, and mayhem (remembering always that "rape, pillage, and burn" makes for a much happier Viking than do "burn, pillage, and rape"), and actually so conspiring. These are the kind who would seek to jail one for expressing the outragous horror they would consider to inflict once released after being jailed for a crime they did not commit.</p><p>Finally, we reach the belief that one will be jailed anyway, on whatever pretence, for simply considering how they will respond to injustice when freed, and therefore ask one's self, "Self, why wait until after serving sentence for a crime I did not commit to enact revenge? If the jailing is a certainty, why not commit murder and mayhem on as large as scale as possible before it occurs? Surely, then the jailing, if not killed, will be just, and we do believe in justice, right?</p><p>So, fellows, "Let the killings begin! You're going to be jailed for daring to think anyway. Might as well be for something you did."</p><p>Crap, I should have been a sociopath, and not a software engineer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>vadim \ _t wrote : And if everybody assumes you 're going to steal , some people come to the conclusion they might as well go and do that , since they 're being assumed to anyway.This , of course , leads to the realization that if one is convicted and jailed for something they did not do , then , once free , they might as well do it .
IOW , actually rape the bitch who 's testimony send you up the river for 10 years , once you get out , for example.Or , go one better : if ever jailed for a crime you did not commit ( yes , whether an act was criminal is sometimes dependent on interpretation , and not a question of fact , but let 's ignore those cases ) , declare war on society when you get out , commiting murder and mayhem until " they " kill you .
Hmm , how much does a black market nuke cost , and what would it take to get it on a container ship bound for a densly populated sea port ?
Mwuahahahaha ! Now , we get into the realm where the thought police get interested .
You know , the ones who ca n't tell the difference between musing about consipiring to commit acts of violence , murder , and mayhem ( remembering always that " rape , pillage , and burn " makes for a much happier Viking than do " burn , pillage , and rape " ) , and actually so conspiring .
These are the kind who would seek to jail one for expressing the outragous horror they would consider to inflict once released after being jailed for a crime they did not commit.Finally , we reach the belief that one will be jailed anyway , on whatever pretence , for simply considering how they will respond to injustice when freed , and therefore ask one 's self , " Self , why wait until after serving sentence for a crime I did not commit to enact revenge ?
If the jailing is a certainty , why not commit murder and mayhem on as large as scale as possible before it occurs ?
Surely , then the jailing , if not killed , will be just , and we do believe in justice , right ? So , fellows , " Let the killings begin !
You 're going to be jailed for daring to think anyway .
Might as well be for something you did .
" Crap , I should have been a sociopath , and not a software engineer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>vadim\_t wrote: And if everybody assumes you're going to steal, some people come to the conclusion they might as well go and do that, since they're being assumed to anyway.This, of course, leads to the realization that if one is convicted and jailed for something they did not do, then, once free, they might as well do it.
IOW, actually rape the bitch who's testimony send you up the river for 10 years, once you get out, for example.Or, go one better: if ever jailed for a crime you did not commit (yes, whether an act was criminal is sometimes dependent on interpretation, and not a question of fact, but let's ignore those cases), declare war on society when you get out, commiting murder and mayhem until "they" kill you.
Hmm, how much does a black market nuke cost, and what would it take to get it on a container ship bound for a densly populated sea port?
Mwuahahahaha!Now, we get into the realm where the thought police get interested.
You know, the ones who can't tell the difference between musing about consipiring to commit acts of violence, murder, and mayhem (remembering always that "rape, pillage, and burn" makes for a much happier Viking than do "burn, pillage, and rape"), and actually so conspiring.
These are the kind who would seek to jail one for expressing the outragous horror they would consider to inflict once released after being jailed for a crime they did not commit.Finally, we reach the belief that one will be jailed anyway, on whatever pretence, for simply considering how they will respond to injustice when freed, and therefore ask one's self, "Self, why wait until after serving sentence for a crime I did not commit to enact revenge?
If the jailing is a certainty, why not commit murder and mayhem on as large as scale as possible before it occurs?
Surely, then the jailing, if not killed, will be just, and we do believe in justice, right?So, fellows, "Let the killings begin!
You're going to be jailed for daring to think anyway.
Might as well be for something you did.
"Crap, I should have been a sociopath, and not a software engineer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733435</id>
	<title>Re:warning!</title>
	<author>jrand</author>
	<datestamp>1247861280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Your anecdote actually proves the point of the article - if there is already a high concentration of delinquent behavior, kids introduced into that environment are likely to behave poorly themselves. The question is whether it works the other way: would you have a better chance of reforming the behavior of an individual problem student if you placed him with the honors class?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Your anecdote actually proves the point of the article - if there is already a high concentration of delinquent behavior , kids introduced into that environment are likely to behave poorly themselves .
The question is whether it works the other way : would you have a better chance of reforming the behavior of an individual problem student if you placed him with the honors class ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your anecdote actually proves the point of the article - if there is already a high concentration of delinquent behavior, kids introduced into that environment are likely to behave poorly themselves.
The question is whether it works the other way: would you have a better chance of reforming the behavior of an individual problem student if you placed him with the honors class?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28736039</id>
	<title>Re:Ah yes, another breakthrough from MISPWOSO</title>
	<author>plopez</author>
	<datestamp>1247831640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's been said before, jails are places to learn to become a criminal. The "get tough on crime" approach has just clogged the justice system and created a huge criminal under class by helping people learn how to become criminals. Drug decriminalization a alternatives to prison for lesser crimes would be better in the long run. Esp. when you consider it costs more to imprison someone than to send them to MIT.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's been said before , jails are places to learn to become a criminal .
The " get tough on crime " approach has just clogged the justice system and created a huge criminal under class by helping people learn how to become criminals .
Drug decriminalization a alternatives to prison for lesser crimes would be better in the long run .
Esp. when you consider it costs more to imprison someone than to send them to MIT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's been said before, jails are places to learn to become a criminal.
The "get tough on crime" approach has just clogged the justice system and created a huge criminal under class by helping people learn how to become criminals.
Drug decriminalization a alternatives to prison for lesser crimes would be better in the long run.
Esp. when you consider it costs more to imprison someone than to send them to MIT.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28737845</id>
	<title>Re:warning!</title>
	<author>Reziac</author>
	<datestamp>1247845980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, "kids tables" and "adult tables" at various gatherings is the traditional way of doing things, at least for the vast swath of upper plains states (which are of mostly Scandinavian and German/Dutch heritage, where respect for your elders is the cultural norm).</p><p>Funny thing, those kids grew up respectful and confident, and when they graduated to the adults' table, they behaved like adults, not overgrown kids. Kids that sat with the adults wound up a lot more stressed and rebellious, and never did grow up. I think it boils down to whether the adults demand respect and act like leaders, rather than being the kids' "buddies" (which teaches the kid that they are the adults' equal and therefore need neither respect nor learn from them).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , " kids tables " and " adult tables " at various gatherings is the traditional way of doing things , at least for the vast swath of upper plains states ( which are of mostly Scandinavian and German/Dutch heritage , where respect for your elders is the cultural norm ) .Funny thing , those kids grew up respectful and confident , and when they graduated to the adults ' table , they behaved like adults , not overgrown kids .
Kids that sat with the adults wound up a lot more stressed and rebellious , and never did grow up .
I think it boils down to whether the adults demand respect and act like leaders , rather than being the kids ' " buddies " ( which teaches the kid that they are the adults ' equal and therefore need neither respect nor learn from them ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, "kids tables" and "adult tables" at various gatherings is the traditional way of doing things, at least for the vast swath of upper plains states (which are of mostly Scandinavian and German/Dutch heritage, where respect for your elders is the cultural norm).Funny thing, those kids grew up respectful and confident, and when they graduated to the adults' table, they behaved like adults, not overgrown kids.
Kids that sat with the adults wound up a lot more stressed and rebellious, and never did grow up.
I think it boils down to whether the adults demand respect and act like leaders, rather than being the kids' "buddies" (which teaches the kid that they are the adults' equal and therefore need neither respect nor learn from them).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734787</id>
	<title>Don't force your kid to share ...</title>
	<author>XMLsucks</author>
	<datestamp>1247823840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Child behavior is often successfully explained (but not always) by how much loving attention a child gets from its role models, and by how much freedom the child gets in pursuing its desires (e.g., if she wants to play with Barbie, then you hurt her confidence by forbidding it, and ultimately lead her to vanity, the very opposite you wanted to achieve by forbidding Barbie).  A child is often a delinquent due to insufficient loving attention, or severe repression (and well-meaning parents do a lot of repression, e.g., forcing a child to share when it clearly doesn't want to, or participating in religion).  The delinquent behavior of the child is a symbolic cry for loving attention /  freedom, which is completely ironic, because we all view it as the child being bad and incurable, but not crying for life.  The typical societal response is to punish them in a way to make it even worse: reduce what little loving attention they had even further by locking them up, and telling them that they are bad, which they inherently won't believe.  The end result is anger towards society for depriving the child of the freedom and attention that he wanted, which manifests as retaliation against society --- further crime.  <p>Locking kids up because they want more attention and freedom doesn't seem to be the solution, particularly since they come out with a higher probability of worse crimes against society.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Child behavior is often successfully explained ( but not always ) by how much loving attention a child gets from its role models , and by how much freedom the child gets in pursuing its desires ( e.g. , if she wants to play with Barbie , then you hurt her confidence by forbidding it , and ultimately lead her to vanity , the very opposite you wanted to achieve by forbidding Barbie ) .
A child is often a delinquent due to insufficient loving attention , or severe repression ( and well-meaning parents do a lot of repression , e.g. , forcing a child to share when it clearly does n't want to , or participating in religion ) .
The delinquent behavior of the child is a symbolic cry for loving attention / freedom , which is completely ironic , because we all view it as the child being bad and incurable , but not crying for life .
The typical societal response is to punish them in a way to make it even worse : reduce what little loving attention they had even further by locking them up , and telling them that they are bad , which they inherently wo n't believe .
The end result is anger towards society for depriving the child of the freedom and attention that he wanted , which manifests as retaliation against society --- further crime .
Locking kids up because they want more attention and freedom does n't seem to be the solution , particularly since they come out with a higher probability of worse crimes against society .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Child behavior is often successfully explained (but not always) by how much loving attention a child gets from its role models, and by how much freedom the child gets in pursuing its desires (e.g., if she wants to play with Barbie, then you hurt her confidence by forbidding it, and ultimately lead her to vanity, the very opposite you wanted to achieve by forbidding Barbie).
A child is often a delinquent due to insufficient loving attention, or severe repression (and well-meaning parents do a lot of repression, e.g., forcing a child to share when it clearly doesn't want to, or participating in religion).
The delinquent behavior of the child is a symbolic cry for loving attention /  freedom, which is completely ironic, because we all view it as the child being bad and incurable, but not crying for life.
The typical societal response is to punish them in a way to make it even worse: reduce what little loving attention they had even further by locking them up, and telling them that they are bad, which they inherently won't believe.
The end result is anger towards society for depriving the child of the freedom and attention that he wanted, which manifests as retaliation against society --- further crime.
Locking kids up because they want more attention and freedom doesn't seem to be the solution, particularly since they come out with a higher probability of worse crimes against society.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734277</id>
	<title>Create a Positive Peer Culture</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247821860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I put myself through college working as a night counselor at a school for boys --- one needs to remove the perceived glamour of the ``gangsta'' lifestyle, demonstrate the consequences of poor decisions and provide the rewards of mature and responsible behaviour.</p><p>Most importantly this needs to be done regardless of the child's intellectual level --- at one meeting a fellow counselor argued that one of the students should be released because he wasn't particularly bright and was ``simply going to be a janitor when he grows up anyway'' to which another added, ``one who swipes small pilferables which won't be missed.'' --- my rejoinder was that if we kept him in the program and continued working w/ him until he successfully graduated that while he might be a janitor when he grew up, he'd be an honest one who wouldn't steal and that that was a worthwhile goal, and maybe he could be something else, but that he would never get that chance if he didn't graduate.</p><p>He stayed in the program and I actually ran into him a couple of years later --- he was just completing an apprenticeship in the building trades and had been out of trouble since graduation.</p><p>William</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I put myself through college working as a night counselor at a school for boys --- one needs to remove the perceived glamour of the ` ` gangsta' ' lifestyle , demonstrate the consequences of poor decisions and provide the rewards of mature and responsible behaviour.Most importantly this needs to be done regardless of the child 's intellectual level --- at one meeting a fellow counselor argued that one of the students should be released because he was n't particularly bright and was ` ` simply going to be a janitor when he grows up anyway' ' to which another added , ` ` one who swipes small pilferables which wo n't be missed .
' ' --- my rejoinder was that if we kept him in the program and continued working w/ him until he successfully graduated that while he might be a janitor when he grew up , he 'd be an honest one who would n't steal and that that was a worthwhile goal , and maybe he could be something else , but that he would never get that chance if he did n't graduate.He stayed in the program and I actually ran into him a couple of years later --- he was just completing an apprenticeship in the building trades and had been out of trouble since graduation.William</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I put myself through college working as a night counselor at a school for boys --- one needs to remove the perceived glamour of the ``gangsta'' lifestyle, demonstrate the consequences of poor decisions and provide the rewards of mature and responsible behaviour.Most importantly this needs to be done regardless of the child's intellectual level --- at one meeting a fellow counselor argued that one of the students should be released because he wasn't particularly bright and was ``simply going to be a janitor when he grows up anyway'' to which another added, ``one who swipes small pilferables which won't be missed.
'' --- my rejoinder was that if we kept him in the program and continued working w/ him until he successfully graduated that while he might be a janitor when he grew up, he'd be an honest one who wouldn't steal and that that was a worthwhile goal, and maybe he could be something else, but that he would never get that chance if he didn't graduate.He stayed in the program and I actually ran into him a couple of years later --- he was just completing an apprenticeship in the building trades and had been out of trouble since graduation.William</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:warning!</title>
	<author>cthulu\_mt</author>
	<datestamp>1247827260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The female students will end up as strippers or porn actresses.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The female students will end up as strippers or porn actresses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The female students will end up as strippers or porn actresses.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28734881</id>
	<title>Re:Cognitive dissnonance, probably</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247824320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd chalk up moreso towards "Parents can't believe their children are bad, and therefore put the blame on the OTHER children... clearly not their angel that was just at the wrong place at the wrong time".</p><p>In my opinion, those are the kids that end up being among the worst.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd chalk up moreso towards " Parents ca n't believe their children are bad , and therefore put the blame on the OTHER children... clearly not their angel that was just at the wrong place at the wrong time " .In my opinion , those are the kids that end up being among the worst .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd chalk up moreso towards "Parents can't believe their children are bad, and therefore put the blame on the OTHER children... clearly not their angel that was just at the wrong place at the wrong time".In my opinion, those are the kids that end up being among the worst.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733419</id>
	<title>Re:warning!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247861160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>For the good of this country, we need to concentrate on making sure our best students get the best education. This should be a higher priority than trying to make scientists out of juvenile criminals and bullies. Society doesn't need, and will never get 100\% genius-status for all students, anyway. Attempts to make this happen will likely drag us all down.</p></div><p>But do you have a plan for those juvenile criminals and bullies? Or are you just going to let them grow into adult criminals and get stacked into the already-overpopulated prisons?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>For the good of this country , we need to concentrate on making sure our best students get the best education .
This should be a higher priority than trying to make scientists out of juvenile criminals and bullies .
Society does n't need , and will never get 100 \ % genius-status for all students , anyway .
Attempts to make this happen will likely drag us all down.But do you have a plan for those juvenile criminals and bullies ?
Or are you just going to let them grow into adult criminals and get stacked into the already-overpopulated prisons ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the good of this country, we need to concentrate on making sure our best students get the best education.
This should be a higher priority than trying to make scientists out of juvenile criminals and bullies.
Society doesn't need, and will never get 100\% genius-status for all students, anyway.
Attempts to make this happen will likely drag us all down.But do you have a plan for those juvenile criminals and bullies?
Or are you just going to let them grow into adult criminals and get stacked into the already-overpopulated prisons?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28736573</id>
	<title>Re:Create a Positive Peer Culture</title>
	<author>justinlee37</author>
	<datestamp>1247835000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>been out of trouble since graduation</i> </p><p>Or he stopped getting caught for a spell. Who knows?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>been out of trouble since graduation Or he stopped getting caught for a spell .
Who knows ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> been out of trouble since graduation Or he stopped getting caught for a spell.
Who knows?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28735079</id>
	<title>The Death of Respect</title>
	<author>cowbutt</author>
	<datestamp>1247825340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>New series on BBC which seems apropos: <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ls7h7/Death\_of\_Respect\_Episode\_1/" title="bbc.co.uk">on iPlayer</a> [bbc.co.uk]</htmltext>
<tokenext>New series on BBC which seems apropos : on iPlayer [ bbc.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>New series on BBC which seems apropos: on iPlayer [bbc.co.uk]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733793</id>
	<title>Applicable ideas for cross-reference.</title>
	<author>synth7</author>
	<datestamp>1247862840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>This reminds me of the "Broken Windows" theory.  (Please, don't make the OS joke that is begging to be said.)  A good explanation is here:  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixing\_Broken\_Windows" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixing\_Broken\_Windows</a> [wikipedia.org]

Whatever the original root cause, of course, the effect is the same once it takes hold:  The lowest common denominator often is the expression of the group as a whole.  (Barring a really great leader of some sort.)  This is expressed most succinctly in the following:  <a href="http://despair.com/teamwork.html" title="despair.com" rel="nofollow">http://despair.com/teamwork.html</a> [despair.com]

So bad behavior (or making poor decisions) is virus-like.  The question to be answered is:  can good behavior (making good decisions) also be formed to be virus-like?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This reminds me of the " Broken Windows " theory .
( Please , do n't make the OS joke that is begging to be said .
) A good explanation is here : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixing \ _Broken \ _Windows [ wikipedia.org ] Whatever the original root cause , of course , the effect is the same once it takes hold : The lowest common denominator often is the expression of the group as a whole .
( Barring a really great leader of some sort .
) This is expressed most succinctly in the following : http : //despair.com/teamwork.html [ despair.com ] So bad behavior ( or making poor decisions ) is virus-like .
The question to be answered is : can good behavior ( making good decisions ) also be formed to be virus-like ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This reminds me of the "Broken Windows" theory.
(Please, don't make the OS joke that is begging to be said.
)  A good explanation is here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixing\_Broken\_Windows [wikipedia.org]

Whatever the original root cause, of course, the effect is the same once it takes hold:  The lowest common denominator often is the expression of the group as a whole.
(Barring a really great leader of some sort.
)  This is expressed most succinctly in the following:  http://despair.com/teamwork.html [despair.com]

So bad behavior (or making poor decisions) is virus-like.
The question to be answered is:  can good behavior (making good decisions) also be formed to be virus-like?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733819</id>
	<title>Re:Ah yes, another breakthrough from MISPWOSO</title>
	<author>NonUniqueNickname</author>
	<datestamp>1247862960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Delinquents are teaching delinquents now? Back when I was a juvenile delinquent we didn't have any "internet" or "correctional facilities" to show us how. If you wanted to be a delinquent you had to learn it and earn it yourself, by breaking and entering to a house that was 3 miles away in the snow uphill both way and guarded by gargoyles. Today's youth just want everything handed to them on a silver platter. Lazy little bastards. that's the  Now get off my lawn.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Delinquents are teaching delinquents now ?
Back when I was a juvenile delinquent we did n't have any " internet " or " correctional facilities " to show us how .
If you wanted to be a delinquent you had to learn it and earn it yourself , by breaking and entering to a house that was 3 miles away in the snow uphill both way and guarded by gargoyles .
Today 's youth just want everything handed to them on a silver platter .
Lazy little bastards .
that 's the Now get off my lawn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Delinquents are teaching delinquents now?
Back when I was a juvenile delinquent we didn't have any "internet" or "correctional facilities" to show us how.
If you wanted to be a delinquent you had to learn it and earn it yourself, by breaking and entering to a house that was 3 miles away in the snow uphill both way and guarded by gargoyles.
Today's youth just want everything handed to them on a silver platter.
Lazy little bastards.
that's the  Now get off my lawn.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1834235.28733525</id>
	<title>Re:warning!</title>
	<author>nine-times</author>
	<datestamp>1247861640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>honors students (such as myself) were placed in an 6th-grade English class with, well, the criminal class...It was a complete disaster.</p></div><p>Well sure, but part of the point I gathered from TFS (didn't RTFA) is that it doesn't really work to segregate out all the "bad kids" either, because what happens is those bad kids influence each other and the bad kids get worse.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>we need to concentrate on making sure our best students get the best education. This should be a higher priority than trying to make scientists out of juvenile criminals and bullies. Society doesn't need, and will never get 100\% genius-status for all students, anyway.</p></div><p>I would agree that we shouldn't be trying to make all the juvenile delinquents into scientists, but some of that might be because I don't think we should be trying to make all of anyone into scientists.  I'd sooner say that there are a lot of jobs out there that need doing, and it'd be best if we could get honest, hard-working people doing all of those jobs.
</p><p>But where I wouldn't agree is this tone that every kid with behavior problems is just useless and should be shuffled off and locked up.  The ideal should be that we can find ways for every person to contribute to society.  The ideal should be that we educate every student the best that we can.  Sure, this might mean a little bit of triage in the education system, but if you write kids off early and treat them as though they're useless criminals, then don't be surprised when they grow up to be useless criminals.</p></div>
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<tokenext>honors students ( such as myself ) were placed in an 6th-grade English class with , well , the criminal class...It was a complete disaster.Well sure , but part of the point I gathered from TFS ( did n't RTFA ) is that it does n't really work to segregate out all the " bad kids " either , because what happens is those bad kids influence each other and the bad kids get worse.we need to concentrate on making sure our best students get the best education .
This should be a higher priority than trying to make scientists out of juvenile criminals and bullies .
Society does n't need , and will never get 100 \ % genius-status for all students , anyway.I would agree that we should n't be trying to make all the juvenile delinquents into scientists , but some of that might be because I do n't think we should be trying to make all of anyone into scientists .
I 'd sooner say that there are a lot of jobs out there that need doing , and it 'd be best if we could get honest , hard-working people doing all of those jobs .
But where I would n't agree is this tone that every kid with behavior problems is just useless and should be shuffled off and locked up .
The ideal should be that we can find ways for every person to contribute to society .
The ideal should be that we educate every student the best that we can .
Sure , this might mean a little bit of triage in the education system , but if you write kids off early and treat them as though they 're useless criminals , then do n't be surprised when they grow up to be useless criminals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>honors students (such as myself) were placed in an 6th-grade English class with, well, the criminal class...It was a complete disaster.Well sure, but part of the point I gathered from TFS (didn't RTFA) is that it doesn't really work to segregate out all the "bad kids" either, because what happens is those bad kids influence each other and the bad kids get worse.we need to concentrate on making sure our best students get the best education.
This should be a higher priority than trying to make scientists out of juvenile criminals and bullies.
Society doesn't need, and will never get 100\% genius-status for all students, anyway.I would agree that we shouldn't be trying to make all the juvenile delinquents into scientists, but some of that might be because I don't think we should be trying to make all of anyone into scientists.
I'd sooner say that there are a lot of jobs out there that need doing, and it'd be best if we could get honest, hard-working people doing all of those jobs.
But where I wouldn't agree is this tone that every kid with behavior problems is just useless and should be shuffled off and locked up.
The ideal should be that we can find ways for every person to contribute to society.
The ideal should be that we educate every student the best that we can.
Sure, this might mean a little bit of triage in the education system, but if you write kids off early and treat them as though they're useless criminals, then don't be surprised when they grow up to be useless criminals.
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	<title>Portuguese Proverb</title>
	<author>ammorais</author>
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	<htmltext>There's a very old Portuguese proverb about this:<br>
"Diz-me com quem andas, que eu digo-te quem tu &#233;s"<br> <br>

Tell me about your friends, and I will tell you who you are.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a very old Portuguese proverb about this : " Diz-me com quem andas , que eu digo-te quem tu   s " Tell me about your friends , and I will tell you who you are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a very old Portuguese proverb about this:
"Diz-me com quem andas, que eu digo-te quem tu és" 

Tell me about your friends, and I will tell you who you are.</sentencetext>
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