<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_17_1739239</id>
	<title>The Pirate Bay to Become a Distributed Storage Cloud?</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1247819280000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>eldavojohn writes <i>"After announcing the <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/06/30/1233213/Pirate-Bay-Announces-Sale-to-Swedish-Company-For-78-Million">sale of The Pirate Bay</a> to Global Gaming Factory X, it was unknown what would become of TPB.  Details of the future plans have been released.   'According to Rosso, GGF plans to build a <a href="http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/18509.cfm">massive "storage cloud" on top of TPB</a> that would use individual users as storage system's nodes. Apparently users can opt out for being part of the decentralized storage system, but then they'd have to pay a monthly fee for the service. More resources the user is willing to commit for the service, the cheaper the monthly subscription fee will be ... GGF's plan is to harness the resources users are willing to allocate to the cloud service and sell that computing power and bandwidth to 3rd party companies, essentially creating a service that could be used as a content delivery network (system that most large sites &mdash; including ours &mdash; use to deliver static content, such as images, software downloads and stylesheets, faster to the end user) or even as a web hosting cloud. As the service would use P2P technology, it could bring massive savings to ISPs, as the delivery of content to an end user would be provided from the closest possible "node," most likely from an user within the same ISP network.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>eldavojohn writes " After announcing the sale of The Pirate Bay to Global Gaming Factory X , it was unknown what would become of TPB .
Details of the future plans have been released .
'According to Rosso , GGF plans to build a massive " storage cloud " on top of TPB that would use individual users as storage system 's nodes .
Apparently users can opt out for being part of the decentralized storage system , but then they 'd have to pay a monthly fee for the service .
More resources the user is willing to commit for the service , the cheaper the monthly subscription fee will be ... GGF 's plan is to harness the resources users are willing to allocate to the cloud service and sell that computing power and bandwidth to 3rd party companies , essentially creating a service that could be used as a content delivery network ( system that most large sites    including ours    use to deliver static content , such as images , software downloads and stylesheets , faster to the end user ) or even as a web hosting cloud .
As the service would use P2P technology , it could bring massive savings to ISPs , as the delivery of content to an end user would be provided from the closest possible " node , " most likely from an user within the same ISP network .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>eldavojohn writes "After announcing the sale of The Pirate Bay to Global Gaming Factory X, it was unknown what would become of TPB.
Details of the future plans have been released.
'According to Rosso, GGF plans to build a massive "storage cloud" on top of TPB that would use individual users as storage system's nodes.
Apparently users can opt out for being part of the decentralized storage system, but then they'd have to pay a monthly fee for the service.
More resources the user is willing to commit for the service, the cheaper the monthly subscription fee will be ... GGF's plan is to harness the resources users are willing to allocate to the cloud service and sell that computing power and bandwidth to 3rd party companies, essentially creating a service that could be used as a content delivery network (system that most large sites — including ours — use to deliver static content, such as images, software downloads and stylesheets, faster to the end user) or even as a web hosting cloud.
As the service would use P2P technology, it could bring massive savings to ISPs, as the delivery of content to an end user would be provided from the closest possible "node," most likely from an user within the same ISP network.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735003</id>
	<title>The RIAA couldn't kill TBP</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1247824920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But greed has, almost overnight.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But greed has , almost overnight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But greed has, almost overnight.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734943</id>
	<title>'Bout time</title>
	<author>COMON$</author>
	<datestamp>1247824680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have wanted someone to translate a torrent network into a storage cloud for quite some time.  I am a network administrator and I have an immense amount of storage wasted by PCs and servers.  80GB local hard drive only using 5GB, translate that to distributed storage across hundreds of nodes...I could have a large storage cloud consisting of terabytes on my network if some creative programmer would create a storage cloud like this closed to just my network. <p>Does anyone know why this hasn't been done?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have wanted someone to translate a torrent network into a storage cloud for quite some time .
I am a network administrator and I have an immense amount of storage wasted by PCs and servers .
80GB local hard drive only using 5GB , translate that to distributed storage across hundreds of nodes...I could have a large storage cloud consisting of terabytes on my network if some creative programmer would create a storage cloud like this closed to just my network .
Does anyone know why this has n't been done ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have wanted someone to translate a torrent network into a storage cloud for quite some time.
I am a network administrator and I have an immense amount of storage wasted by PCs and servers.
80GB local hard drive only using 5GB, translate that to distributed storage across hundreds of nodes...I could have a large storage cloud consisting of terabytes on my network if some creative programmer would create a storage cloud like this closed to just my network.
Does anyone know why this hasn't been done?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734887</id>
	<title>Re:Are they really serious?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247824320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>OMG, I just deleted all the porn on the cloud. I knew I had something good since it was getting accessed so often.</htmltext>
<tokenext>OMG , I just deleted all the porn on the cloud .
I knew I had something good since it was getting accessed so often .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OMG, I just deleted all the porn on the cloud.
I knew I had something good since it was getting accessed so often.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734747</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734627</id>
	<title>I for one welcome</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247823180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I for one welcome the first alternative that would <b>pay me</b> to use my storage.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one welcome the first alternative that would pay me to use my storage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one welcome the first alternative that would pay me to use my storage.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735119</id>
	<title>Screw That!</title>
	<author>hardburlyboogerman</author>
	<datestamp>1247825580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am supposed to offer up bandwidth and storage on my machine and PAY these jokers to do so?<br>Somebody check what they are smoking, Logical thinking like this seemed to have used at places like Circuit City,Chrysler,General Motors,and other businesses..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am supposed to offer up bandwidth and storage on my machine and PAY these jokers to do so ? Somebody check what they are smoking , Logical thinking like this seemed to have used at places like Circuit City,Chrysler,General Motors,and other businesses. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am supposed to offer up bandwidth and storage on my machine and PAY these jokers to do so?Somebody check what they are smoking, Logical thinking like this seemed to have used at places like Circuit City,Chrysler,General Motors,and other businesses..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735435</id>
	<title>Upload?</title>
	<author>pgn674</author>
	<datestamp>1247827680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is one thing I don't get with all these "P2P can be the legal solution to all things!" ideas. Especially with a service that has users committing resources, meaning the user is to upload a whole bunch.<br>
<br>
With my 3 Mbps down / 768 kbps up DSL internet, I can not upload torrents (such as Linux distros) any faster than 188 kb/s, lest my ping latency, dropped packets, and download speed all hit the fan for all my applications, including web browsing. It's much the same with the 8 Mbps down cable connection at home. And, I believe that if the number of connections I have going at the same time gets too high, some performances in some instances drop. Both ISP's have legalees in the contracts saying that I can't run a server, too. Engaging in P2P, legal or not, may be violating these contracts. And anyways it seems the upload limits, inherit or artificial, do not allow for effecting serving.<br>
<br>
So, how does Global Gaming Factory X plan to work with, change, or go around these ISP policies and mind sets? They'll have to have very low resource requirements, and make sure the networks have plenty of big player uploaders sitting on fat pipes or unusual ISPs. That, or hope that introducing a pay wall won't disrupt the natural self-building that current P2P networks have, even though even that is hardly reliable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is one thing I do n't get with all these " P2P can be the legal solution to all things !
" ideas .
Especially with a service that has users committing resources , meaning the user is to upload a whole bunch .
With my 3 Mbps down / 768 kbps up DSL internet , I can not upload torrents ( such as Linux distros ) any faster than 188 kb/s , lest my ping latency , dropped packets , and download speed all hit the fan for all my applications , including web browsing .
It 's much the same with the 8 Mbps down cable connection at home .
And , I believe that if the number of connections I have going at the same time gets too high , some performances in some instances drop .
Both ISP 's have legalees in the contracts saying that I ca n't run a server , too .
Engaging in P2P , legal or not , may be violating these contracts .
And anyways it seems the upload limits , inherit or artificial , do not allow for effecting serving .
So , how does Global Gaming Factory X plan to work with , change , or go around these ISP policies and mind sets ?
They 'll have to have very low resource requirements , and make sure the networks have plenty of big player uploaders sitting on fat pipes or unusual ISPs .
That , or hope that introducing a pay wall wo n't disrupt the natural self-building that current P2P networks have , even though even that is hardly reliable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is one thing I don't get with all these "P2P can be the legal solution to all things!
" ideas.
Especially with a service that has users committing resources, meaning the user is to upload a whole bunch.
With my 3 Mbps down / 768 kbps up DSL internet, I can not upload torrents (such as Linux distros) any faster than 188 kb/s, lest my ping latency, dropped packets, and download speed all hit the fan for all my applications, including web browsing.
It's much the same with the 8 Mbps down cable connection at home.
And, I believe that if the number of connections I have going at the same time gets too high, some performances in some instances drop.
Both ISP's have legalees in the contracts saying that I can't run a server, too.
Engaging in P2P, legal or not, may be violating these contracts.
And anyways it seems the upload limits, inherit or artificial, do not allow for effecting serving.
So, how does Global Gaming Factory X plan to work with, change, or go around these ISP policies and mind sets?
They'll have to have very low resource requirements, and make sure the networks have plenty of big player uploaders sitting on fat pipes or unusual ISPs.
That, or hope that introducing a pay wall won't disrupt the natural self-building that current P2P networks have, even though even that is hardly reliable.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28737535</id>
	<title>It's called ZFS (from Sun)</title>
	<author>seifried</author>
	<datestamp>1247842740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>ZFS (on Solaris and FreeBSD) does exactly this. It's much harder to do well theen it looks though (kind of like email or anything else remotely complicated).</htmltext>
<tokenext>ZFS ( on Solaris and FreeBSD ) does exactly this .
It 's much harder to do well theen it looks though ( kind of like email or anything else remotely complicated ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ZFS (on Solaris and FreeBSD) does exactly this.
It's much harder to do well theen it looks though (kind of like email or anything else remotely complicated).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734943</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734879</id>
	<title>Liability</title>
	<author>swm</author>
	<datestamp>1247824320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does participation in the cloud make me civilly or criminally liable for infringing or illegal material that is stored on my hard drive? Distributed from my hard drive?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does participation in the cloud make me civilly or criminally liable for infringing or illegal material that is stored on my hard drive ?
Distributed from my hard drive ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does participation in the cloud make me civilly or criminally liable for infringing or illegal material that is stored on my hard drive?
Distributed from my hard drive?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734819</id>
	<title>What's the Difference?</title>
	<author>twmcneil</author>
	<datestamp>1247823960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What makes this different from a Russian botnet?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What makes this different from a Russian botnet ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What makes this different from a Russian botnet?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28738151</id>
	<title>OneSwarm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247850240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OneSwarm</p><p>http://oneswarm.cs.washington.edu/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OneSwarmhttp : //oneswarm.cs.washington.edu/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OneSwarmhttp://oneswarm.cs.washington.edu/</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734913</id>
	<title>It's reptivitively tautologically recursive.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247824440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Leaches leaching off leaches.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Leaches leaching off leaches .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Leaches leaching off leaches.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734599</id>
	<title>No.</title>
	<author>Rix</author>
	<datestamp>1247823120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Running a tracker is hardly special or unique. If you put up a paywall, we will simply go elsewhere.</p><p>We're happy to share bandwidth with each other, but we're not going to let you resell it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Running a tracker is hardly special or unique .
If you put up a paywall , we will simply go elsewhere.We 're happy to share bandwidth with each other , but we 're not going to let you resell it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Running a tracker is hardly special or unique.
If you put up a paywall, we will simply go elsewhere.We're happy to share bandwidth with each other, but we're not going to let you resell it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734625</id>
	<title>SO for nothing</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1247823180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you will store other peoples data on my machine?</p><p>OK, sign me up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you will store other peoples data on my machine ? OK , sign me up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you will store other peoples data on my machine?OK, sign me up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28738223</id>
	<title>Re:'Bout time</title>
	<author>COMON$</author>
	<datestamp>1247851140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Two words my friend "Tiered Storage"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Two words my friend " Tiered Storage "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Two words my friend "Tiered Storage"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735117</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735447</id>
	<title>Re:Hosting someone else's illegal content</title>
	<author>Krneki</author>
	<datestamp>1247827800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If it is encrypted how are you supposed to know what are you hosting?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it is encrypted how are you supposed to know what are you hosting ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it is encrypted how are you supposed to know what are you hosting?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734691</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734851</id>
	<title>So it's basically Freenet without the freedom...</title>
	<author>Abstrackt</author>
	<datestamp>1247824080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can't wait to see how this one turns out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't wait to see how this one turns out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't wait to see how this one turns out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735521</id>
	<title>Re:Wow, talk about a metric ton of FAIL</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1247828280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wouldn't be such a bad deal, if I'd continue to get the same service as TPB today only legally - pretty much unlimited access to all mainstream media. Trouble is, that's not what GGF is selling because it's not theirs to sell. All they have is a brand name and a torrent indexer/tracker that is ready for another hydra trick, chop of TPB and two new heads appear. I don't think the deal will ever happen though, the deal will just fall apart and the train wreck left over won't be worth anything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't be such a bad deal , if I 'd continue to get the same service as TPB today only legally - pretty much unlimited access to all mainstream media .
Trouble is , that 's not what GGF is selling because it 's not theirs to sell .
All they have is a brand name and a torrent indexer/tracker that is ready for another hydra trick , chop of TPB and two new heads appear .
I do n't think the deal will ever happen though , the deal will just fall apart and the train wreck left over wo n't be worth anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't be such a bad deal, if I'd continue to get the same service as TPB today only legally - pretty much unlimited access to all mainstream media.
Trouble is, that's not what GGF is selling because it's not theirs to sell.
All they have is a brand name and a torrent indexer/tracker that is ready for another hydra trick, chop of TPB and two new heads appear.
I don't think the deal will ever happen though, the deal will just fall apart and the train wreck left over won't be worth anything.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734759</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28743631</id>
	<title>filesharer are not a static resource</title>
	<author>Smarty\_Pantz</author>
	<datestamp>1247913300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
With this new concept, they're treating the current level of file-sharers as a static resource (or a constant) in their equations. But everyone will have left the network.

They expect people to keep sharing, and the more you share, the closer you can get your monthly payments TO THEM "down to zero".

But if all the file-sharers have left, this will just become a distributed content management system...so how about we START at zero, and YOU pay ME for my bandwidth &amp; network resources??

this concept = fail.</htmltext>
<tokenext>With this new concept , they 're treating the current level of file-sharers as a static resource ( or a constant ) in their equations .
But everyone will have left the network .
They expect people to keep sharing , and the more you share , the closer you can get your monthly payments TO THEM " down to zero " .
But if all the file-sharers have left , this will just become a distributed content management system...so how about we START at zero , and YOU pay ME for my bandwidth &amp; network resources ? ?
this concept = fail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
With this new concept, they're treating the current level of file-sharers as a static resource (or a constant) in their equations.
But everyone will have left the network.
They expect people to keep sharing, and the more you share, the closer you can get your monthly payments TO THEM "down to zero".
But if all the file-sharers have left, this will just become a distributed content management system...so how about we START at zero, and YOU pay ME for my bandwidth &amp; network resources??
this concept = fail.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735135</id>
	<title>Ridiculous</title>
	<author>grumpyhacker</author>
	<datestamp>1247825640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What did the owners of The Pirate Bay actually sell? Did they sell only the domain?</p><p>They (or anyone else really) can start a new piratebay and start all over again. This is ridiculous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What did the owners of The Pirate Bay actually sell ?
Did they sell only the domain ? They ( or anyone else really ) can start a new piratebay and start all over again .
This is ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What did the owners of The Pirate Bay actually sell?
Did they sell only the domain?They (or anyone else really) can start a new piratebay and start all over again.
This is ridiculous.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28736119</id>
	<title>so lazy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247832180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sigh, now I wish I'd expended the effort to get on a better "private" tracker.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sigh , now I wish I 'd expended the effort to get on a better " private " tracker .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sigh, now I wish I'd expended the effort to get on a better "private" tracker.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28738323</id>
	<title>Re:No.</title>
	<author>Dan541</author>
	<datestamp>1247852280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's the legal situation if they do put up a pay wall?</p><p>It is certainly harder to claim non-profit status when you charge people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's the legal situation if they do put up a pay wall ? It is certainly harder to claim non-profit status when you charge people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's the legal situation if they do put up a pay wall?It is certainly harder to claim non-profit status when you charge people.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735385</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735315</id>
	<title>Let me get this straight..</title>
	<author>s0litaire</author>
	<datestamp>1247826840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...They want *us* to pay them<p>
So they can use our resources...</p><p>
And sell those resources to a 3rd party...</p><p>
No way! What's next: </p><p>"TPB" being renamed "Titanic"?? 'cause it's looking likes it's hit an iceberg and is sinking fast!!
</p><p>
Now If it was something like:</p><p>
We pay &#226;2 a month </p><p>
They use our resources</p><p>
They sell our resources </p><p>
We get a \% of those sales to cover our costs...</p><p>
Then I *might* consider using the new Pirate Bay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...They want * us * to pay them So they can use our resources.. . And sell those resources to a 3rd party.. . No way !
What 's next : " TPB " being renamed " Titanic " ? ?
'cause it 's looking likes it 's hit an iceberg and is sinking fast ! !
Now If it was something like : We pay   2 a month They use our resources They sell our resources We get a \ % of those sales to cover our costs.. . Then I * might * consider using the new Pirate Bay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...They want *us* to pay them
So they can use our resources...
And sell those resources to a 3rd party...
No way!
What's next: "TPB" being renamed "Titanic"??
'cause it's looking likes it's hit an iceberg and is sinking fast!!
Now If it was something like:
We pay â2 a month 
They use our resources
They sell our resources 
We get a \% of those sales to cover our costs...
Then I *might* consider using the new Pirate Bay.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735193</id>
	<title>Because it has.</title>
	<author>SanityInAnarchy</author>
	<datestamp>1247826060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://coda.cs.cmu.edu/" title="cmu.edu">Coda</a> [cmu.edu], and before that, <a href="http://openafs.org/" title="openafs.org">AFS</a> [openafs.org]. Oh, and <a href="http://lustre.org/" title="lustre.org">Lustre</a> [lustre.org].</p><p>It's not a new idea. The only real difference here is that it's associated with BitTorrent and The Pirate Bay, and is designed to handle a whole set of problems you won't have, like untrusted machines communicating over the Internet, and how to compensate people for using their hard drive to store your stuff.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Coda [ cmu.edu ] , and before that , AFS [ openafs.org ] .
Oh , and Lustre [ lustre.org ] .It 's not a new idea .
The only real difference here is that it 's associated with BitTorrent and The Pirate Bay , and is designed to handle a whole set of problems you wo n't have , like untrusted machines communicating over the Internet , and how to compensate people for using their hard drive to store your stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Coda [cmu.edu], and before that, AFS [openafs.org].
Oh, and Lustre [lustre.org].It's not a new idea.
The only real difference here is that it's associated with BitTorrent and The Pirate Bay, and is designed to handle a whole set of problems you won't have, like untrusted machines communicating over the Internet, and how to compensate people for using their hard drive to store your stuff.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734943</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734883</id>
	<title>Wua.la</title>
	<author>spacefight</author>
	<datestamp>1247824320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds a lot like www.wua.la, 'nuff said.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds a lot like www.wua.la , 'nuff said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds a lot like www.wua.la, 'nuff said.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28743551</id>
	<title>Re:No.</title>
	<author>jpop32</author>
	<datestamp>1247912700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yep.  Also, I'm not aware of any part of the bittorrent protocol that provides the facilities for payments etc. that they're  fantasising about.  No one is going to give up their myriad bittorrent clients for some unproven and proprietary p2p system by the people who destroyed their favourite site, even if its free.  And if it's not proprietary, it'll be forked to remove the paytard stuff.</p></div><p>I have no clear idea of their bussiness model, but I can certainly imagine the way it \_could\_ be done. Have plain old vanilla private torrent site. You can accurately track who DLs and ULs what. Your ratio is a price divider. So, if you UL 4x as much as you DL, you pay 1/4 of the monthly fee. And if the monthly fee is something reasonable to begin with, and they had a library of titles comparable to what TPB today has, I bet a lot of people would just jump at the chance.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yep .
Also , I 'm not aware of any part of the bittorrent protocol that provides the facilities for payments etc .
that they 're fantasising about .
No one is going to give up their myriad bittorrent clients for some unproven and proprietary p2p system by the people who destroyed their favourite site , even if its free .
And if it 's not proprietary , it 'll be forked to remove the paytard stuff.I have no clear idea of their bussiness model , but I can certainly imagine the way it \ _could \ _ be done .
Have plain old vanilla private torrent site .
You can accurately track who DLs and ULs what .
Your ratio is a price divider .
So , if you UL 4x as much as you DL , you pay 1/4 of the monthly fee .
And if the monthly fee is something reasonable to begin with , and they had a library of titles comparable to what TPB today has , I bet a lot of people would just jump at the chance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yep.
Also, I'm not aware of any part of the bittorrent protocol that provides the facilities for payments etc.
that they're  fantasising about.
No one is going to give up their myriad bittorrent clients for some unproven and proprietary p2p system by the people who destroyed their favourite site, even if its free.
And if it's not proprietary, it'll be forked to remove the paytard stuff.I have no clear idea of their bussiness model, but I can certainly imagine the way it \_could\_ be done.
Have plain old vanilla private torrent site.
You can accurately track who DLs and ULs what.
Your ratio is a price divider.
So, if you UL 4x as much as you DL, you pay 1/4 of the monthly fee.
And if the monthly fee is something reasonable to begin with, and they had a library of titles comparable to what TPB today has, I bet a lot of people would just jump at the chance.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735385</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28746549</id>
	<title>Re:Wua.la</title>
	<author>watice</author>
	<datestamp>1248000420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>exactly, wua.la is exactly what this described already. They also have content that is shared such as video files that can be streamed back. Now if someone figures out a way to get parity blocks on p2p automagically, then you'll wow me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>exactly , wua.la is exactly what this described already .
They also have content that is shared such as video files that can be streamed back .
Now if someone figures out a way to get parity blocks on p2p automagically , then you 'll wow me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>exactly, wua.la is exactly what this described already.
They also have content that is shared such as video files that can be streamed back.
Now if someone figures out a way to get parity blocks on p2p automagically, then you'll wow me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734883</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734777</id>
	<title>Sleep</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1247823780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Could that cloud have hidden, or implicit, or just a consequence of its architecture, that could mean a massive DoS over all of it, and that means your personal PCs? Just the risk of that could make the idea less attractive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could that cloud have hidden , or implicit , or just a consequence of its architecture , that could mean a massive DoS over all of it , and that means your personal PCs ?
Just the risk of that could make the idea less attractive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Could that cloud have hidden, or implicit, or just a consequence of its architecture, that could mean a massive DoS over all of it, and that means your personal PCs?
Just the risk of that could make the idea less attractive.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734691</id>
	<title>Hosting someone else's illegal content</title>
	<author>seifried</author>
	<datestamp>1247823420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, I really want to be part of something where I am hosting other people's content and have no real control over it, for free! Especially when some of that content may be illegal (in the criminal sense) in the jurisdiction that I live (child pornography, etc.) or violate civil acts (such as health data, copyrighted material, etc.).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I really want to be part of something where I am hosting other people 's content and have no real control over it , for free !
Especially when some of that content may be illegal ( in the criminal sense ) in the jurisdiction that I live ( child pornography , etc .
) or violate civil acts ( such as health data , copyrighted material , etc .
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I really want to be part of something where I am hosting other people's content and have no real control over it, for free!
Especially when some of that content may be illegal (in the criminal sense) in the jurisdiction that I live (child pornography, etc.
) or violate civil acts (such as health data, copyrighted material, etc.
).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734645</id>
	<title>huh.</title>
	<author>SatanicPuppy</author>
	<datestamp>1247823240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought that the news was that they had <em>stopped</em> being one...Now that they're legit, they're just another torrent tracker for free/unencumbered IP that isn't hard to find a torrent for anyway.</p><p>Is their slow descent into irrelevance really deserving of multiple articles a day? They just posted the first satellite images of the Apollo sites, isn't that a bit more worthwhile?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought that the news was that they had stopped being one...Now that they 're legit , they 're just another torrent tracker for free/unencumbered IP that is n't hard to find a torrent for anyway.Is their slow descent into irrelevance really deserving of multiple articles a day ?
They just posted the first satellite images of the Apollo sites , is n't that a bit more worthwhile ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought that the news was that they had stopped being one...Now that they're legit, they're just another torrent tracker for free/unencumbered IP that isn't hard to find a torrent for anyway.Is their slow descent into irrelevance really deserving of multiple articles a day?
They just posted the first satellite images of the Apollo sites, isn't that a bit more worthwhile?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735749</id>
	<title>Re:privacy nd data security??</title>
	<author>Dogtanian</author>
	<datestamp>1247829780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>what happens if someone formats their pc nd the cloud data on it as well?? also, it might be possible to access the data stored by the cloud on ur pc...</p></div><p>These are the kind of problems that actual computer science (as opposed to software engineering or IT) is used to consider and solve.</p><p>I can't remember exactly how they do it (probably because I didn't know the exact details in the first place), but there are probably mathematical theories proving that you need x number of copies distributed across various machines in such and such a manner to have 99.99999999999999999999\% (or whatever) chance of recovering that file.</p><p>And I'm guessing it's probably not as simple as simply having X straight copies of a file in different locations either; it's probably distributed in a more convoluted (but mathematically sound) manner as well.</p><p>And if the system uses a pseudo-filesystem, then the underlying distributed storage system will probably be block (rather than file) oriented, so parts of the same file on different blocks will probably be stored differently.</p><p>The other issue you raise- privacy- is possibly another factor; IIRC they'd want to distribute the data in such a manner that a given person didn't know whose data they actually had, and also that having access to that part of the data alone would be unlikely to provide anything meaningful, so it can be mathematically proven that a 14-year-old hacker wannabe having your data on his computer isn't a security risk).</p><p>Bear in mind that I know jack **** about the theory underlying this (I'm not a mathematician) and it might be misleading- it's based on extrapolating vague memories of stuff I learned bits of a few years ago as part of my degree- nothing more. But I think it's in the right ballpark.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>what happens if someone formats their pc nd the cloud data on it as well ? ?
also , it might be possible to access the data stored by the cloud on ur pc...These are the kind of problems that actual computer science ( as opposed to software engineering or IT ) is used to consider and solve.I ca n't remember exactly how they do it ( probably because I did n't know the exact details in the first place ) , but there are probably mathematical theories proving that you need x number of copies distributed across various machines in such and such a manner to have 99.99999999999999999999 \ % ( or whatever ) chance of recovering that file.And I 'm guessing it 's probably not as simple as simply having X straight copies of a file in different locations either ; it 's probably distributed in a more convoluted ( but mathematically sound ) manner as well.And if the system uses a pseudo-filesystem , then the underlying distributed storage system will probably be block ( rather than file ) oriented , so parts of the same file on different blocks will probably be stored differently.The other issue you raise- privacy- is possibly another factor ; IIRC they 'd want to distribute the data in such a manner that a given person did n't know whose data they actually had , and also that having access to that part of the data alone would be unlikely to provide anything meaningful , so it can be mathematically proven that a 14-year-old hacker wannabe having your data on his computer is n't a security risk ) .Bear in mind that I know jack * * * * about the theory underlying this ( I 'm not a mathematician ) and it might be misleading- it 's based on extrapolating vague memories of stuff I learned bits of a few years ago as part of my degree- nothing more .
But I think it 's in the right ballpark .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what happens if someone formats their pc nd the cloud data on it as well??
also, it might be possible to access the data stored by the cloud on ur pc...These are the kind of problems that actual computer science (as opposed to software engineering or IT) is used to consider and solve.I can't remember exactly how they do it (probably because I didn't know the exact details in the first place), but there are probably mathematical theories proving that you need x number of copies distributed across various machines in such and such a manner to have 99.99999999999999999999\% (or whatever) chance of recovering that file.And I'm guessing it's probably not as simple as simply having X straight copies of a file in different locations either; it's probably distributed in a more convoluted (but mathematically sound) manner as well.And if the system uses a pseudo-filesystem, then the underlying distributed storage system will probably be block (rather than file) oriented, so parts of the same file on different blocks will probably be stored differently.The other issue you raise- privacy- is possibly another factor; IIRC they'd want to distribute the data in such a manner that a given person didn't know whose data they actually had, and also that having access to that part of the data alone would be unlikely to provide anything meaningful, so it can be mathematically proven that a 14-year-old hacker wannabe having your data on his computer isn't a security risk).Bear in mind that I know jack **** about the theory underlying this (I'm not a mathematician) and it might be misleading- it's based on extrapolating vague memories of stuff I learned bits of a few years ago as part of my degree- nothing more.
But I think it's in the right ballpark.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734633</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735511</id>
	<title>Is that legal?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247828220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext> <p>If P2P has been an "underground" phenomenon where consumers were distributing "their" bandwidth to share files and ISPs have generally not been very happy about it; how do things change now that this new company wants to pay consumers to do the same thing for legal content so they can make a profit?</p><p>Commercial bandwidth is expensive and this company is basically saying they'll do an end run around having to pay for it by giving consumers what will no doubt be chump change while they pocket the rest.</p><p>
&nbsp; </p><p>It seems to me that consumers don't even have the right to be profiting off the bandwidth they are getting from their ISP because that's not the terms under which they agreed to use it. It's one thing to share but quite another to resell.</p><p>
&nbsp; </p><p>I think bandwidth caps are a load of crap as much as the next guy but this seems like a clear violation of the ISP's rights.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If P2P has been an " underground " phenomenon where consumers were distributing " their " bandwidth to share files and ISPs have generally not been very happy about it ; how do things change now that this new company wants to pay consumers to do the same thing for legal content so they can make a profit ? Commercial bandwidth is expensive and this company is basically saying they 'll do an end run around having to pay for it by giving consumers what will no doubt be chump change while they pocket the rest .
  It seems to me that consumers do n't even have the right to be profiting off the bandwidth they are getting from their ISP because that 's not the terms under which they agreed to use it .
It 's one thing to share but quite another to resell .
  I think bandwidth caps are a load of crap as much as the next guy but this seems like a clear violation of the ISP 's rights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> If P2P has been an "underground" phenomenon where consumers were distributing "their" bandwidth to share files and ISPs have generally not been very happy about it; how do things change now that this new company wants to pay consumers to do the same thing for legal content so they can make a profit?Commercial bandwidth is expensive and this company is basically saying they'll do an end run around having to pay for it by giving consumers what will no doubt be chump change while they pocket the rest.
  It seems to me that consumers don't even have the right to be profiting off the bandwidth they are getting from their ISP because that's not the terms under which they agreed to use it.
It's one thing to share but quite another to resell.
  I think bandwidth caps are a load of crap as much as the next guy but this seems like a clear violation of the ISP's rights.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28746541</id>
	<title>Re:No.</title>
	<author>Mista2</author>
	<datestamp>1248000240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And then we will be backt to "it will be this price and released in this time in your region." Fuck off, I'll just goe somewhere else. Where is the next tracker?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And then we will be backt to " it will be this price and released in this time in your region .
" Fuck off , I 'll just goe somewhere else .
Where is the next tracker ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And then we will be backt to "it will be this price and released in this time in your region.
" Fuck off, I'll just goe somewhere else.
Where is the next tracker?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735385</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28738449</id>
	<title>And what happens when...</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1247854860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... some subscriber's rickety RAID 0 volume goes belly-up?  How many other users' data goes with it?  Where's the redundancy and backup?  Can Joe Schmoe be trusted to care for someone else's data when push comes to shove?  For that matter, could GGF be trusted to care when push comes to shove?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... some subscriber 's rickety RAID 0 volume goes belly-up ?
How many other users ' data goes with it ?
Where 's the redundancy and backup ?
Can Joe Schmoe be trusted to care for someone else 's data when push comes to shove ?
For that matter , could GGF be trusted to care when push comes to shove ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... some subscriber's rickety RAID 0 volume goes belly-up?
How many other users' data goes with it?
Where's the redundancy and backup?
Can Joe Schmoe be trusted to care for someone else's data when push comes to shove?
For that matter, could GGF be trusted to care when push comes to shove?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28737113</id>
	<title>Re:Liability</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247838840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Depends on if you, the judge and the jury as stupid enough to believe it!</p><p>No, really! A rule that is made up by someone, is only as true as the people who believe in it.</p><p>In reality of course, the person who did infringe the copyright, is the one to talk to.</p><p>Or else you could sue the company building the street, for murder, because someone on that street got killed!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends on if you , the judge and the jury as stupid enough to believe it ! No , really !
A rule that is made up by someone , is only as true as the people who believe in it.In reality of course , the person who did infringe the copyright , is the one to talk to.Or else you could sue the company building the street , for murder , because someone on that street got killed !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends on if you, the judge and the jury as stupid enough to believe it!No, really!
A rule that is made up by someone, is only as true as the people who believe in it.In reality of course, the person who did infringe the copyright, is the one to talk to.Or else you could sue the company building the street, for murder, because someone on that street got killed!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734879</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735227</id>
	<title>Pr0n Alternative?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247826240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This leaves me GREATLY concerned.  Sure there are other sites like Demonoid, but Demonoid does not have a pr0n section on it. </p><p>Anyone have a good alternative for replacing the internets pr0n downloading via bittorrent back bone?</p><p>"OH NOES! MY PR0N DOWNLOADING BACKBONE!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This leaves me GREATLY concerned .
Sure there are other sites like Demonoid , but Demonoid does not have a pr0n section on it .
Anyone have a good alternative for replacing the internets pr0n downloading via bittorrent back bone ?
" OH NOES !
MY PR0N DOWNLOADING BACKBONE !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This leaves me GREATLY concerned.
Sure there are other sites like Demonoid, but Demonoid does not have a pr0n section on it.
Anyone have a good alternative for replacing the internets pr0n downloading via bittorrent back bone?
"OH NOES!
MY PR0N DOWNLOADING BACKBONE!
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735385</id>
	<title>Re:No.</title>
	<author>CarpetShark</author>
	<datestamp>1247827260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Running a tracker is hardly special or unique. If you put up a paywall, we will simply go elsewhere.</p></div></blockquote><p>Yep.  Also, I'm not aware of any part of the bittorrent protocol that provides the facilities for payments etc. that they're  fantasising about.  No one is going to give up their myriad bittorrent clients for some unproven and proprietary p2p system by the people who destroyed their favourite site, even if its free.  And if it's not proprietary, it'll be forked to remove the paytard stuff.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Running a tracker is hardly special or unique .
If you put up a paywall , we will simply go elsewhere.Yep .
Also , I 'm not aware of any part of the bittorrent protocol that provides the facilities for payments etc .
that they 're fantasising about .
No one is going to give up their myriad bittorrent clients for some unproven and proprietary p2p system by the people who destroyed their favourite site , even if its free .
And if it 's not proprietary , it 'll be forked to remove the paytard stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Running a tracker is hardly special or unique.
If you put up a paywall, we will simply go elsewhere.Yep.
Also, I'm not aware of any part of the bittorrent protocol that provides the facilities for payments etc.
that they're  fantasising about.
No one is going to give up their myriad bittorrent clients for some unproven and proprietary p2p system by the people who destroyed their favourite site, even if its free.
And if it's not proprietary, it'll be forked to remove the paytard stuff.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734599</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734759</id>
	<title>Wow, talk about a metric ton of FAIL</title>
	<author>Em Emalb</author>
	<datestamp>1247823660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this is megafail.  Ultrafail.  Failure to the 3rd degree.</p><p>So it's either let us use your computer to store other people's crap on it, or opt out and pay us?</p><p>You hear that noise?  It's the sound of a company becoming irrelevant at the speed of the internet.</p><p>(sounds kinda like a drunk Mel Gibson screaming about Jews, doesn't it?)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this is megafail .
Ultrafail. Failure to the 3rd degree.So it 's either let us use your computer to store other people 's crap on it , or opt out and pay us ? You hear that noise ?
It 's the sound of a company becoming irrelevant at the speed of the internet .
( sounds kinda like a drunk Mel Gibson screaming about Jews , does n't it ?
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this is megafail.
Ultrafail.  Failure to the 3rd degree.So it's either let us use your computer to store other people's crap on it, or opt out and pay us?You hear that noise?
It's the sound of a company becoming irrelevant at the speed of the internet.
(sounds kinda like a drunk Mel Gibson screaming about Jews, doesn't it?
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735217</id>
	<title>Torrent-like file storage seems bad</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1247826180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What happens when the only guy with the last 10\% of my file isn't online?</htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when the only guy with the last 10 \ % of my file is n't online ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when the only guy with the last 10\% of my file isn't online?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734871</id>
	<title>weareborg tag</title>
	<author>garnetlion</author>
	<datestamp>1247824260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is tagged weareborg. We are borg who are mainlining warez and will add the Jonas Brothers' catchy distinctiveness to our own.</p><p>(There's a cyborg/Michael Jackson plastic-surgery obsession joke somewhere in here, but I'll leave it to cleverer posters to hash out.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is tagged weareborg .
We are borg who are mainlining warez and will add the Jonas Brothers ' catchy distinctiveness to our own .
( There 's a cyborg/Michael Jackson plastic-surgery obsession joke somewhere in here , but I 'll leave it to cleverer posters to hash out .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is tagged weareborg.
We are borg who are mainlining warez and will add the Jonas Brothers' catchy distinctiveness to our own.
(There's a cyborg/Michael Jackson plastic-surgery obsession joke somewhere in here, but I'll leave it to cleverer posters to hash out.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735579</id>
	<title>Nearest possible node?</title>
	<author>dreamer.redeemer</author>
	<datestamp>1247828700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait a minute, how do they plan on finding the nearest possible node? Isn't that an example of the traveling salesman problem?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait a minute , how do they plan on finding the nearest possible node ?
Is n't that an example of the traveling salesman problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait a minute, how do they plan on finding the nearest possible node?
Isn't that an example of the traveling salesman problem?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735555</id>
	<title>groksterbay</title>
	<author>JackSpratts</author>
	<datestamp>1247828580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>heh, gotta love wayne rosso. not sure how seriously i take him, but i gotta love him. hey there wanyeman!</p><p> - js.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>heh , got ta love wayne rosso .
not sure how seriously i take him , but i got ta love him .
hey there wanyeman !
- js .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>heh, gotta love wayne rosso.
not sure how seriously i take him, but i gotta love him.
hey there wanyeman!
- js.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735259</id>
	<title>Wrong.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247826420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>As the service would use P2P technology, it could bring massive savings to ISPs, as the delivery of content to an end user would be provided from the closest possible "node," most likely from an user within the same ISP network.'"</i></p><p>There is no reason that P2P per se would bring any kind of savings to ISP, even less massive. That's why you need explicit cooperation from the peers or from the ISP as in solutions like P4P :<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proactive\_network\_Provider\_Participation\_for\_P2P<br>http://www.dcia.info/documents/P4P\_Overview.pdf</p><p>(I love being a smartass)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As the service would use P2P technology , it could bring massive savings to ISPs , as the delivery of content to an end user would be provided from the closest possible " node , " most likely from an user within the same ISP network .
' " There is no reason that P2P per se would bring any kind of savings to ISP , even less massive .
That 's why you need explicit cooperation from the peers or from the ISP as in solutions like P4P : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proactive \ _network \ _Provider \ _Participation \ _for \ _P2Phttp : //www.dcia.info/documents/P4P \ _Overview.pdf ( I love being a smartass )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As the service would use P2P technology, it could bring massive savings to ISPs, as the delivery of content to an end user would be provided from the closest possible "node," most likely from an user within the same ISP network.
'"There is no reason that P2P per se would bring any kind of savings to ISP, even less massive.
That's why you need explicit cooperation from the peers or from the ISP as in solutions like P4P :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proactive\_network\_Provider\_Participation\_for\_P2Phttp://www.dcia.info/documents/P4P\_Overview.pdf(I love being a smartass)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734633</id>
	<title>privacy nd data security??</title>
	<author>mehrotra.akash</author>
	<datestamp>1247823240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what happens if someone formats their pc nd the cloud data on it as well??</p><p>also, it might be possible to access the data stored by the cloud on ur pc...</p><p>couldnt this also be used as a botnet for DDos attacks if it is hacked??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what happens if someone formats their pc nd the cloud data on it as well ?
? also , it might be possible to access the data stored by the cloud on ur pc...couldnt this also be used as a botnet for DDos attacks if it is hacked ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what happens if someone formats their pc nd the cloud data on it as well?
?also, it might be possible to access the data stored by the cloud on ur pc...couldnt this also be used as a botnet for DDos attacks if it is hacked?
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28743651</id>
	<title>Re:SO for nothing</title>
	<author>jpop32</author>
	<datestamp>1247913540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>you will store other peoples data on my machine?</p></div><p>What if that 'other peoples data' was a Battlestar Galactica Season 4, that you already have on your disk right now? And, possibly, currently already seeding like mad so you'll get your ratio up on some private tracker?</p><p>
&nbsp; </p><p><div class="quote"><p>OK, sign me up.</p></div><p>Indeed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>you will store other peoples data on my machine ? What if that 'other peoples data ' was a Battlestar Galactica Season 4 , that you already have on your disk right now ?
And , possibly , currently already seeding like mad so you 'll get your ratio up on some private tracker ?
  OK , sign me up.Indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you will store other peoples data on my machine?What if that 'other peoples data' was a Battlestar Galactica Season 4, that you already have on your disk right now?
And, possibly, currently already seeding like mad so you'll get your ratio up on some private tracker?
  OK, sign me up.Indeed.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734625</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734813</id>
	<title>Re:privacy nd data security??</title>
	<author>Jaysyn</author>
	<datestamp>1247823900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I assume this was figured out when the Coda file system was developed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I assume this was figured out when the Coda file system was developed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I assume this was figured out when the Coda file system was developed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734633</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734977</id>
	<title>Re:Are they really serious?</title>
	<author>thms</author>
	<datestamp>1247824800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>How the hell are they going to guarantee the keeping of the data?</p></div><p>By using a closed and hard-to-reverse-engineer (think Skype) binary as the linchpin of this setup. It will checksum files, report back to the server and then somehow penalize you for deleting stuff or "cheating" otherwise, e.g. by offering less peers.<br> <br>
Sure sounds interesting though, and I hope an open specification of this or something similar comes out of it, though identifying leechers and freeloaders in such a setup would be a lot more complicated, I could only think of a computationally intensive method, demanding a new checksum with a salt inserted somewhere among the data. And doing the same for shared computation short of computing it twice is impossible.
<br> <br>
If this becomes an open and free standard (and I had an actual SDSL 10/10Mbit connection) I would trust (encrypted) backups there a lot more than on my USB-Stick or my Server - Linus' quote would finally become true!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How the hell are they going to guarantee the keeping of the data ? By using a closed and hard-to-reverse-engineer ( think Skype ) binary as the linchpin of this setup .
It will checksum files , report back to the server and then somehow penalize you for deleting stuff or " cheating " otherwise , e.g .
by offering less peers .
Sure sounds interesting though , and I hope an open specification of this or something similar comes out of it , though identifying leechers and freeloaders in such a setup would be a lot more complicated , I could only think of a computationally intensive method , demanding a new checksum with a salt inserted somewhere among the data .
And doing the same for shared computation short of computing it twice is impossible .
If this becomes an open and free standard ( and I had an actual SDSL 10/10Mbit connection ) I would trust ( encrypted ) backups there a lot more than on my USB-Stick or my Server - Linus ' quote would finally become true !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How the hell are they going to guarantee the keeping of the data?By using a closed and hard-to-reverse-engineer (think Skype) binary as the linchpin of this setup.
It will checksum files, report back to the server and then somehow penalize you for deleting stuff or "cheating" otherwise, e.g.
by offering less peers.
Sure sounds interesting though, and I hope an open specification of this or something similar comes out of it, though identifying leechers and freeloaders in such a setup would be a lot more complicated, I could only think of a computationally intensive method, demanding a new checksum with a salt inserted somewhere among the data.
And doing the same for shared computation short of computing it twice is impossible.
If this becomes an open and free standard (and I had an actual SDSL 10/10Mbit connection) I would trust (encrypted) backups there a lot more than on my USB-Stick or my Server - Linus' quote would finally become true!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734747</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735471</id>
	<title>Re:Why Even Buy TBP Then?</title>
	<author>masmullin</author>
	<datestamp>1247827920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is a huge userbase that is already sharing large amounts of content on it.  This company wants to commercialize the userbase.<br><br>I doubt that they will get rid of the illegal content, because that would drive away the userbase they want to sell.  So what I think is going to happen is that your TPB experience will remain pretty much the same (you may have to sign into that VPN system) but TPB will use a certain amount of your HD and bandwidth for their own purposes.  If you use a small amount of "personal resources" you'll have to pay for the VPN service, if you allocate a lot of "personal resources" you wont have to pay a dime.<br><br>Question is: what are the definitions of small and large in the above paragraph.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a huge userbase that is already sharing large amounts of content on it .
This company wants to commercialize the userbase.I doubt that they will get rid of the illegal content , because that would drive away the userbase they want to sell .
So what I think is going to happen is that your TPB experience will remain pretty much the same ( you may have to sign into that VPN system ) but TPB will use a certain amount of your HD and bandwidth for their own purposes .
If you use a small amount of " personal resources " you 'll have to pay for the VPN service , if you allocate a lot of " personal resources " you wont have to pay a dime.Question is : what are the definitions of small and large in the above paragraph .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a huge userbase that is already sharing large amounts of content on it.
This company wants to commercialize the userbase.I doubt that they will get rid of the illegal content, because that would drive away the userbase they want to sell.
So what I think is going to happen is that your TPB experience will remain pretty much the same (you may have to sign into that VPN system) but TPB will use a certain amount of your HD and bandwidth for their own purposes.
If you use a small amount of "personal resources" you'll have to pay for the VPN service, if you allocate a lot of "personal resources" you wont have to pay a dime.Question is: what are the definitions of small and large in the above paragraph.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734791</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735131</id>
	<title>Re:'Bout time</title>
	<author>SatanicPuppy</author>
	<datestamp>1247825640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can think of two or three ways that it HAS been done. Generally though, you can't just farm out the storage space, you have to virtualize the whole machine, and once you have a whole network of virtual machines, then you can set them up to migrate data and processes.</p><p>The reason most people don't do it that way is that hardware is wildly cheap, and that there aren't that many applications that can take advantage of the processing power (and I'm guessing that if you needed the cycles, I wouldn't need to be telling you this stuff). Likewise storage space: the problem with distributed processing is that your data is, by necessity, stored redundantly, so that 5GB that is being used is suddenly 25GB spread across a dozen machines.</p><p>Even if you export the OS and all the applications, you're still going to have to deal with data migration issues, and, depending on your network, and data volume, it may come back around to being cheaper to store and run everything locally.</p><p>The plus is distributed processing and redundancy. A machine dies, and you just put a boot cd in a new machine, and plug it into the wall, or hell, net boot it. Trivial.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can think of two or three ways that it HAS been done .
Generally though , you ca n't just farm out the storage space , you have to virtualize the whole machine , and once you have a whole network of virtual machines , then you can set them up to migrate data and processes.The reason most people do n't do it that way is that hardware is wildly cheap , and that there are n't that many applications that can take advantage of the processing power ( and I 'm guessing that if you needed the cycles , I would n't need to be telling you this stuff ) .
Likewise storage space : the problem with distributed processing is that your data is , by necessity , stored redundantly , so that 5GB that is being used is suddenly 25GB spread across a dozen machines.Even if you export the OS and all the applications , you 're still going to have to deal with data migration issues , and , depending on your network , and data volume , it may come back around to being cheaper to store and run everything locally.The plus is distributed processing and redundancy .
A machine dies , and you just put a boot cd in a new machine , and plug it into the wall , or hell , net boot it .
Trivial .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can think of two or three ways that it HAS been done.
Generally though, you can't just farm out the storage space, you have to virtualize the whole machine, and once you have a whole network of virtual machines, then you can set them up to migrate data and processes.The reason most people don't do it that way is that hardware is wildly cheap, and that there aren't that many applications that can take advantage of the processing power (and I'm guessing that if you needed the cycles, I wouldn't need to be telling you this stuff).
Likewise storage space: the problem with distributed processing is that your data is, by necessity, stored redundantly, so that 5GB that is being used is suddenly 25GB spread across a dozen machines.Even if you export the OS and all the applications, you're still going to have to deal with data migration issues, and, depending on your network, and data volume, it may come back around to being cheaper to store and run everything locally.The plus is distributed processing and redundancy.
A machine dies, and you just put a boot cd in a new machine, and plug it into the wall, or hell, net boot it.
Trivial.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734943</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735177</id>
	<title>The sheer genius is contagious</title>
	<author>BitHive</author>
	<datestamp>1247826000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just realized how we can appease handgun fanatics, end the military-industrial complex, and get universal health care.  We'll graciously let everyone own whatever weaponry they can afford (and perhaps create some tax incentives) thereby enabling us to crowdsource all military operations, giving the savings directly to the insurance industry since free markets know how much of my money to take better than the government.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just realized how we can appease handgun fanatics , end the military-industrial complex , and get universal health care .
We 'll graciously let everyone own whatever weaponry they can afford ( and perhaps create some tax incentives ) thereby enabling us to crowdsource all military operations , giving the savings directly to the insurance industry since free markets know how much of my money to take better than the government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just realized how we can appease handgun fanatics, end the military-industrial complex, and get universal health care.
We'll graciously let everyone own whatever weaponry they can afford (and perhaps create some tax incentives) thereby enabling us to crowdsource all military operations, giving the savings directly to the insurance industry since free markets know how much of my money to take better than the government.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28736555</id>
	<title>Re:Are they really serious?</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1247834820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds like GoogleFS</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like GoogleFS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like GoogleFS</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734747</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734747</id>
	<title>Are they really serious?</title>
	<author>b0ttle</author>
	<datestamp>1247823600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>How the hell are they going to guarantee the keeping of the data?
What if I delete the data from my storage? Of course they could make redundant pieces on other nodes, but that doesn't solve the problem.</htmltext>
<tokenext>How the hell are they going to guarantee the keeping of the data ?
What if I delete the data from my storage ?
Of course they could make redundant pieces on other nodes , but that does n't solve the problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How the hell are they going to guarantee the keeping of the data?
What if I delete the data from my storage?
Of course they could make redundant pieces on other nodes, but that doesn't solve the problem.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734679</id>
	<title>Airplane!</title>
	<author>broggyr</author>
	<datestamp>1247823360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"I say... <em>let</em> 'em crash!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>" I say... let 'em crash !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I say... let 'em crash!
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734599</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734845</id>
	<title>TOS</title>
	<author>swm</author>
	<datestamp>1247824080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does participation in the cloud violate my ISP's TOS?</p><p>And if not, how long before my ISP changes their TOS so that it does?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does participation in the cloud violate my ISP 's TOS ? And if not , how long before my ISP changes their TOS so that it does ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does participation in the cloud violate my ISP's TOS?And if not, how long before my ISP changes their TOS so that it does?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735103</id>
	<title>Re:'Bout time</title>
	<author>Sir\_Lewk</author>
	<datestamp>1247825460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It'd been done for a while, by dozens of people: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_file\_systems#Distributed\_file\_systems/" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_file\_systems#Distributed\_file\_systems/</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 'd been done for a while , by dozens of people : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List \ _of \ _file \ _systems # Distributed \ _file \ _systems/ [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It'd been done for a while, by dozens of people: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_file\_systems#Distributed\_file\_systems/ [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734943</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734763</id>
	<title>Selecting what you store</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247823720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can I store credit card information only on my computer?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can I store credit card information only on my computer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can I store credit card information only on my computer?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28746561</id>
	<title>Re:Liability</title>
	<author>Mista2</author>
	<datestamp>1248000720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now if this harrdrive is at my place of work, but I use the jacked wireless from the neighbouring company, and I still personally liable for the possibly illegal content uploaded by random users on the internet?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now if this harrdrive is at my place of work , but I use the jacked wireless from the neighbouring company , and I still personally liable for the possibly illegal content uploaded by random users on the internet ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now if this harrdrive is at my place of work, but I use the jacked wireless from the neighbouring company, and I still personally liable for the possibly illegal content uploaded by random users on the internet?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734879</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735611</id>
	<title>Re:'Bout time</title>
	<author>dargaud</author>
	<datestamp>1247828940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One word: COW ! (Cluster Of Workstations). The basic idea is that you run a cluster off the free cycles <i>while</i> people use their workstations normally. You could run Mosix like that a decade ago. The problem was that it was highly unreliable. If you started a job normally, it would stay on your workstation. If you prefaced it with a special command, it would run on the entire cluster (if it was multithreaded) or on the fastest available node (if it was single thread). 'Fastest' being defined as a combination of CPU, I/O and network speeds, reevaluated regularly. It's too bad it didn't gain widespread acceptance.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One word : COW !
( Cluster Of Workstations ) .
The basic idea is that you run a cluster off the free cycles while people use their workstations normally .
You could run Mosix like that a decade ago .
The problem was that it was highly unreliable .
If you started a job normally , it would stay on your workstation .
If you prefaced it with a special command , it would run on the entire cluster ( if it was multithreaded ) or on the fastest available node ( if it was single thread ) .
'Fastest ' being defined as a combination of CPU , I/O and network speeds , reevaluated regularly .
It 's too bad it did n't gain widespread acceptance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One word: COW !
(Cluster Of Workstations).
The basic idea is that you run a cluster off the free cycles while people use their workstations normally.
You could run Mosix like that a decade ago.
The problem was that it was highly unreliable.
If you started a job normally, it would stay on your workstation.
If you prefaced it with a special command, it would run on the entire cluster (if it was multithreaded) or on the fastest available node (if it was single thread).
'Fastest' being defined as a combination of CPU, I/O and network speeds, reevaluated regularly.
It's too bad it didn't gain widespread acceptance.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735117</id>
	<title>Re:'Bout time</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247825580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure it has been done, but coming from a business perspective - that is sadly a terrible idea. Depending on your redundancy, this is in no way a place to store data (cause what are you really using it for? backups, mission critical storage that should be left on a server?).<br> <br>If any of the machines go down, or the user takes it offline (reboot/laptop/virus/whatever), you lose that portion already. Even accounting for redundancy, lets say 3x, you would cut the available space by 3. But even then, what if a virus spreads on your network.<br> <br>But this assumes you are storing business related information on your business' hardware. What would you store on it that isn't a backup/mission critical?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure it has been done , but coming from a business perspective - that is sadly a terrible idea .
Depending on your redundancy , this is in no way a place to store data ( cause what are you really using it for ?
backups , mission critical storage that should be left on a server ? ) .
If any of the machines go down , or the user takes it offline ( reboot/laptop/virus/whatever ) , you lose that portion already .
Even accounting for redundancy , lets say 3x , you would cut the available space by 3 .
But even then , what if a virus spreads on your network .
But this assumes you are storing business related information on your business ' hardware .
What would you store on it that is n't a backup/mission critical ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure it has been done, but coming from a business perspective - that is sadly a terrible idea.
Depending on your redundancy, this is in no way a place to store data (cause what are you really using it for?
backups, mission critical storage that should be left on a server?).
If any of the machines go down, or the user takes it offline (reboot/laptop/virus/whatever), you lose that portion already.
Even accounting for redundancy, lets say 3x, you would cut the available space by 3.
But even then, what if a virus spreads on your network.
But this assumes you are storing business related information on your business' hardware.
What would you store on it that isn't a backup/mission critical?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28737691</id>
	<title>The Pirate Paywall</title>
	<author>w0mprat</author>
	<datestamp>1247844180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even with balancing algorithms paying users are still subsidising the freeloaders, as the content providers will still want to be reimbursed for a bandwidth contributing user's free downloads. In this case, very directly subsidizing, rather than indirectly via jacking up retail prices to cover [imaginary] losses as happens with piracy to date .</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even with balancing algorithms paying users are still subsidising the freeloaders , as the content providers will still want to be reimbursed for a bandwidth contributing user 's free downloads .
In this case , very directly subsidizing , rather than indirectly via jacking up retail prices to cover [ imaginary ] losses as happens with piracy to date .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even with balancing algorithms paying users are still subsidising the freeloaders, as the content providers will still want to be reimbursed for a bandwidth contributing user's free downloads.
In this case, very directly subsidizing, rather than indirectly via jacking up retail prices to cover [imaginary] losses as happens with piracy to date .</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28743779</id>
	<title>Re:Torrent-like file storage seems bad</title>
	<author>jpop32</author>
	<datestamp>1247914620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What happens when the only guy with the last 10\% of my file isn't online?</p></div><p>Nothing. You don't get the files, But, then again, that means the operators of the service are complete dumbasses who didn't think to host at least one complete copy of the data on their servers. Idiots. And the guys that bankrolled them, morons. So, let's hope they actually think about their bussiness plan for more than five minutes, eh?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What happens when the only guy with the last 10 \ % of my file is n't online ? Nothing .
You do n't get the files , But , then again , that means the operators of the service are complete dumbasses who did n't think to host at least one complete copy of the data on their servers .
Idiots. And the guys that bankrolled them , morons .
So , let 's hope they actually think about their bussiness plan for more than five minutes , eh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happens when the only guy with the last 10\% of my file isn't online?Nothing.
You don't get the files, But, then again, that means the operators of the service are complete dumbasses who didn't think to host at least one complete copy of the data on their servers.
Idiots. And the guys that bankrolled them, morons.
So, let's hope they actually think about their bussiness plan for more than five minutes, eh?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734791</id>
	<title>Why Even Buy TBP Then?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247823840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I mean their concept sounds interesting, but how does buying The Pirate Bay help you with that? Virtually every user has already left because of the legal pay model, and they can't use much of the existing database because it's basically all illegal content. So they get a once famous domain name for $7.8 million. Great deal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean their concept sounds interesting , but how does buying The Pirate Bay help you with that ?
Virtually every user has already left because of the legal pay model , and they ca n't use much of the existing database because it 's basically all illegal content .
So they get a once famous domain name for $ 7.8 million .
Great deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean their concept sounds interesting, but how does buying The Pirate Bay help you with that?
Virtually every user has already left because of the legal pay model, and they can't use much of the existing database because it's basically all illegal content.
So they get a once famous domain name for $7.8 million.
Great deal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28737645</id>
	<title>Problem is not in idea</title>
	<author>w0mprat</author>
	<datestamp>1247843820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem is not in the idea. Indeed cpu cycles, storage and bandwidth are <b>worth something</b> and if anyone building a datacentre scale operation will tell you just how expensive per unit it actually is. <br> <br> Distributed services have been shown to work, so there is a opportunity here for a killer Google of the distributed computing to get it right and take over the world.
The problem is the attempt to monetize the scheme. <b>This is always what kills it.</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is not in the idea .
Indeed cpu cycles , storage and bandwidth are worth something and if anyone building a datacentre scale operation will tell you just how expensive per unit it actually is .
Distributed services have been shown to work , so there is a opportunity here for a killer Google of the distributed computing to get it right and take over the world .
The problem is the attempt to monetize the scheme .
This is always what kills it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is not in the idea.
Indeed cpu cycles, storage and bandwidth are worth something and if anyone building a datacentre scale operation will tell you just how expensive per unit it actually is.
Distributed services have been shown to work, so there is a opportunity here for a killer Google of the distributed computing to get it right and take over the world.
The problem is the attempt to monetize the scheme.
This is always what kills it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28734841</id>
	<title>BOTNET!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247824020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, they have proposed a "white hat" "legal" botnet to use its power for good or whoever has the most money?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , they have proposed a " white hat " " legal " botnet to use its power for good or whoever has the most money ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, they have proposed a "white hat" "legal" botnet to use its power for good or whoever has the most money?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735359</id>
	<title>Article about the TPB buyer</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247827140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Below is an article about the buyer of TPB (orginal in Swedish). Judge for yourself, but I do not think this is going anywhere, this is more or less the end for TPB


<a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&amp;hl=en&amp;js=y&amp;u=http://www.realtid.se/ArticlePages/200906/30/20090630101501\_Realtid980/20090630101501\_Realtid980.dbp.asp&amp;sl=sv&amp;tl=en&amp;history\_state0=" title="google.com">http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&amp;hl=en&amp;js=y&amp;u=http://www.realtid.se/ArticlePages/200906/30/20090630101501\_Realtid980/20090630101501\_Realtid980.dbp.asp&amp;sl=sv&amp;tl=en&amp;history\_state0=</a> [google.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Below is an article about the buyer of TPB ( orginal in Swedish ) .
Judge for yourself , but I do not think this is going anywhere , this is more or less the end for TPB http : //translate.google.com/translate ? prev = hp&amp;hl = en&amp;js = y&amp;u = http : //www.realtid.se/ArticlePages/200906/30/20090630101501 \ _Realtid980/20090630101501 \ _Realtid980.dbp.asp&amp;sl = sv&amp;tl = en&amp;history \ _state0 = [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Below is an article about the buyer of TPB (orginal in Swedish).
Judge for yourself, but I do not think this is going anywhere, this is more or less the end for TPB


http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&amp;hl=en&amp;js=y&amp;u=http://www.realtid.se/ArticlePages/200906/30/20090630101501\_Realtid980/20090630101501\_Realtid980.dbp.asp&amp;sl=sv&amp;tl=en&amp;history\_state0= [google.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28741853</id>
	<title>Bye bye, TPB...</title>
	<author>Nathrael</author>
	<datestamp>1247941140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...Demonoid, here I come!</htmltext>
<tokenext>...Demonoid , here I come !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...Demonoid, here I come!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1739239.28735059</id>
	<title>Re:No.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247825220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bla bla bla...</p><p>Just tell me where's the new TPB site, pm me. I won't tell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bla bla bla...Just tell me where 's the new TPB site , pm me .
I wo n't tell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bla bla bla...Just tell me where's the new TPB site, pm me.
I won't tell.</sentencetext>
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