<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_17_1435209</id>
	<title>Free Rainbow Tables Looking For New Admin</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1247851440000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>lee writes <i>"After almost three years online, the admin of <a href="http://www.freerainbowtables.com/">Free Rainbow Tables</a> has decided to call it a day, citing a lack of time to keep it running. (I'm sure that you all know a <a href="http://www.project-rainbowcrack.com/">rainbow</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow\_table">table</a> is essentially a giant list of precomputed hashes.) This is a shame, as the site is a useful resource for those occasions when you really need an existing password exposed, rather than simply changing it. I'm a Windows admin, and this site has come in very handy in the past. The currently computed tables weigh in at well over half a terabyte, are available as torrents from the site, or from a <a href="http://tbhost.eu/rt.php">couple</a> of <a href="http://freerainbowtables.mirror.garr.it/mirrors/freerainbowtables/">mirrors</a> (and <a href="http://rainbowtables.shmoo.com/">alternatives</a> are available). When the site was active, it featured a downloadable BOINC client to put your idle cycles to work computing ever-greater tables, and a space-saving format for storing the tables. The admin is willing to hand over source code if you wish to take over, though I suspect hosting is not included!"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>lee writes " After almost three years online , the admin of Free Rainbow Tables has decided to call it a day , citing a lack of time to keep it running .
( I 'm sure that you all know a rainbow table is essentially a giant list of precomputed hashes .
) This is a shame , as the site is a useful resource for those occasions when you really need an existing password exposed , rather than simply changing it .
I 'm a Windows admin , and this site has come in very handy in the past .
The currently computed tables weigh in at well over half a terabyte , are available as torrents from the site , or from a couple of mirrors ( and alternatives are available ) .
When the site was active , it featured a downloadable BOINC client to put your idle cycles to work computing ever-greater tables , and a space-saving format for storing the tables .
The admin is willing to hand over source code if you wish to take over , though I suspect hosting is not included !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>lee writes "After almost three years online, the admin of Free Rainbow Tables has decided to call it a day, citing a lack of time to keep it running.
(I'm sure that you all know a rainbow table is essentially a giant list of precomputed hashes.
) This is a shame, as the site is a useful resource for those occasions when you really need an existing password exposed, rather than simply changing it.
I'm a Windows admin, and this site has come in very handy in the past.
The currently computed tables weigh in at well over half a terabyte, are available as torrents from the site, or from a couple of mirrors (and alternatives are available).
When the site was active, it featured a downloadable BOINC client to put your idle cycles to work computing ever-greater tables, and a space-saving format for storing the tables.
The admin is willing to hand over source code if you wish to take over, though I suspect hosting is not included!
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732761</id>
	<title>Whoops</title>
	<author>neokushan</author>
	<datestamp>1247857860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Slashdotting the site really isn't helping to keep it online.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Slashdotting the site really is n't helping to keep it online .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slashdotting the site really isn't helping to keep it online.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28736277</id>
	<title>Re:You know you're hungry when</title>
	<author>cstdenis</author>
	<datestamp>1247833140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It makes me think of smarties you insensitive clod.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It makes me think of smarties you insensitive clod .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It makes me think of smarties you insensitive clod.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732189</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732541</id>
	<title>Re:Salts?</title>
	<author>l0b0</author>
	<datestamp>1247857020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Using salts with hashes obsoleted rainbow tables years ago (if you know what you're doing).</p><p>There, corrected it for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Using salts with hashes obsoleted rainbow tables years ago ( if you know what you 're doing ) .There , corrected it for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using salts with hashes obsoleted rainbow tables years ago (if you know what you're doing).There, corrected it for you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732421</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732759</id>
	<title>KonBoot - NSFW</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247857860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>watch out for that animated gif up top.  let it cycle to something less offensive and hit Esc and/or scroll down a few lines.<br> <br>

looks like a great tool.</htmltext>
<tokenext>watch out for that animated gif up top .
let it cycle to something less offensive and hit Esc and/or scroll down a few lines .
looks like a great tool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>watch out for that animated gif up top.
let it cycle to something less offensive and hit Esc and/or scroll down a few lines.
looks like a great tool.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732477</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732249</id>
	<title>Reading Rainbow Tables</title>
	<author>MoldySpore</author>
	<datestamp>1247855760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Buy the domain, contact LeVar Burton to help promote it, and post video testimonials on how great they work.</p><p>LeVar: "Crack passwords now! But you don't have to take my word for it..." *dun dun dunnn!*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Buy the domain , contact LeVar Burton to help promote it , and post video testimonials on how great they work.LeVar : " Crack passwords now !
But you do n't have to take my word for it... " * dun dun dunnn !
*</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Buy the domain, contact LeVar Burton to help promote it, and post video testimonials on how great they work.LeVar: "Crack passwords now!
But you don't have to take my word for it..." *dun dun dunnn!
*</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732735</id>
	<title>Re:Salts?</title>
	<author>Chabo</author>
	<datestamp>1247857800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just because better security exists does not mean that people use it.</p><p>I use a properly secure passphrase on my credit card's website, but on accounts that aren't as critical (Slashdot), I use a simpler password.</p><p>P.S.: It's "hunter2".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just because better security exists does not mean that people use it.I use a properly secure passphrase on my credit card 's website , but on accounts that are n't as critical ( Slashdot ) , I use a simpler password.P.S .
: It 's " hunter2 " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just because better security exists does not mean that people use it.I use a properly secure passphrase on my credit card's website, but on accounts that aren't as critical (Slashdot), I use a simpler password.P.S.
: It's "hunter2".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732421</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28734743</id>
	<title>ho8o</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247823600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lov3 o7 two is</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lov3 o7 two is</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lov3 o7 two is</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732701</id>
	<title>mod 04</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247857680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">dying. EveryonE it will be among And what supplies</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>dying .
EveryonE it will be among And what supplies [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dying.
EveryonE it will be among And what supplies [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732125</id>
	<title>FIRST!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247855220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>FIRST!
(NZ censorship service SUCKS!)</htmltext>
<tokenext>FIRST !
( NZ censorship service SUCKS !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FIRST!
(NZ censorship service SUCKS!
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28764147</id>
	<title>Re:Salts?</title>
	<author>quelrods</author>
	<datestamp>1248096300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Unfortunately not.  Programmers and sysadmins alike only sort of seem to know what a salt is.  Look at how often an application stores passwords plaintext or with a simple md5 and you'll be happier not knowing.  For that matter I seem to recall that buffer overflows were discovered decades ago and yet plenty of new code continues to suffer from the flaw.
<br> <br>
One very interesting place that unsalted hashes seem to stick around are old LDAP directories.  I've seen ones with combinations of: MD5, SMD5, SHA, SSHA, and crypt/des.  Also, lets say that the LDAP directory only uses SSHA *but* also provides NTLM hashes for windows authentication such as PDC or BDC, well then who cares about the salted sha1 when you can attack the NT hash much faster.
<br> <br>
For that matter only starting with Windows Vista are LM hashes *not* enabled by default.  So while 2000, XP, 2003, etc. store the NT hash, storing the LM hash too means no one bothers to crack the NT hash.
<br> <br>
One very good use for rainbow tables like md5 and sha1 are to at least get LDAP directories migrated to a salted variant.  Good luck getting all your users to change their password or even remember it since they probably just have it saved in a browser.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately not .
Programmers and sysadmins alike only sort of seem to know what a salt is .
Look at how often an application stores passwords plaintext or with a simple md5 and you 'll be happier not knowing .
For that matter I seem to recall that buffer overflows were discovered decades ago and yet plenty of new code continues to suffer from the flaw .
One very interesting place that unsalted hashes seem to stick around are old LDAP directories .
I 've seen ones with combinations of : MD5 , SMD5 , SHA , SSHA , and crypt/des .
Also , lets say that the LDAP directory only uses SSHA * but * also provides NTLM hashes for windows authentication such as PDC or BDC , well then who cares about the salted sha1 when you can attack the NT hash much faster .
For that matter only starting with Windows Vista are LM hashes * not * enabled by default .
So while 2000 , XP , 2003 , etc .
store the NT hash , storing the LM hash too means no one bothers to crack the NT hash .
One very good use for rainbow tables like md5 and sha1 are to at least get LDAP directories migrated to a salted variant .
Good luck getting all your users to change their password or even remember it since they probably just have it saved in a browser .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately not.
Programmers and sysadmins alike only sort of seem to know what a salt is.
Look at how often an application stores passwords plaintext or with a simple md5 and you'll be happier not knowing.
For that matter I seem to recall that buffer overflows were discovered decades ago and yet plenty of new code continues to suffer from the flaw.
One very interesting place that unsalted hashes seem to stick around are old LDAP directories.
I've seen ones with combinations of: MD5, SMD5, SHA, SSHA, and crypt/des.
Also, lets say that the LDAP directory only uses SSHA *but* also provides NTLM hashes for windows authentication such as PDC or BDC, well then who cares about the salted sha1 when you can attack the NT hash much faster.
For that matter only starting with Windows Vista are LM hashes *not* enabled by default.
So while 2000, XP, 2003, etc.
store the NT hash, storing the LM hash too means no one bothers to crack the NT hash.
One very good use for rainbow tables like md5 and sha1 are to at least get LDAP directories migrated to a salted variant.
Good luck getting all your users to change their password or even remember it since they probably just have it saved in a browser.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732421</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28733665</id>
	<title>Re:Support is pending</title>
	<author>CarpetShark</author>
	<datestamp>1247862240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I am sure that plenty of groups...are interested in anonymously donating hosting for this project.</p></div></blockquote><p>You think?  Personally, I think you'd have to be a glutton for punishment, to want to admin a site for people interested in rainbow tables.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am sure that plenty of groups...are interested in anonymously donating hosting for this project.You think ?
Personally , I think you 'd have to be a glutton for punishment , to want to admin a site for people interested in rainbow tables .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am sure that plenty of groups...are interested in anonymously donating hosting for this project.You think?
Personally, I think you'd have to be a glutton for punishment, to want to admin a site for people interested in rainbow tables.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732193</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732423</id>
	<title>Re:OMG is that annoying...</title>
	<author>RiotingPacifist</author>
	<datestamp>1247856420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because slashdot used to be a site for geeks, however recently anytime somebody uses a simple TLA/ETLA people start bitching that they don't know what it meant and they are too lazy to google and/or wikipeida it, so instead you get a stupid thread full of people who have !RTFA commenting on a subject that is of no interest to them, if it was they would have understood the TLA in TFS, this really annoys the few geeks that actually RTFA as it dilutes the comments. As a TFS contains redundant information to prevent people going "what are rainbow tables?", lets be honest if you're the kind of geek that has ever done any 'cracking' you knew what it mean, if you're not then you don't care.</p><p>p.s irony of this post not lost on me!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because slashdot used to be a site for geeks , however recently anytime somebody uses a simple TLA/ETLA people start bitching that they do n't know what it meant and they are too lazy to google and/or wikipeida it , so instead you get a stupid thread full of people who have ! RTFA commenting on a subject that is of no interest to them , if it was they would have understood the TLA in TFS , this really annoys the few geeks that actually RTFA as it dilutes the comments .
As a TFS contains redundant information to prevent people going " what are rainbow tables ?
" , lets be honest if you 're the kind of geek that has ever done any 'cracking ' you knew what it mean , if you 're not then you do n't care.p.s irony of this post not lost on me !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because slashdot used to be a site for geeks, however recently anytime somebody uses a simple TLA/ETLA people start bitching that they don't know what it meant and they are too lazy to google and/or wikipeida it, so instead you get a stupid thread full of people who have !RTFA commenting on a subject that is of no interest to them, if it was they would have understood the TLA in TFS, this really annoys the few geeks that actually RTFA as it dilutes the comments.
As a TFS contains redundant information to prevent people going "what are rainbow tables?
", lets be honest if you're the kind of geek that has ever done any 'cracking' you knew what it mean, if you're not then you don't care.p.s irony of this post not lost on me!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732287</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732189</id>
	<title>You know you're hungry when</title>
	<author>goobermaster</author>
	<datestamp>1247855460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The headline 'Free Rainbow Tables' makes you immediately think of a table covered in Skittles</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The headline 'Free Rainbow Tables ' makes you immediately think of a table covered in Skittles</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The headline 'Free Rainbow Tables' makes you immediately think of a table covered in Skittles</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28734741</id>
	<title>Re:Support is pending</title>
	<author>highonv8splash</author>
	<datestamp>1247823600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The <a href="http://yakko.cs.wmich.edu/" title="wmich.edu" rel="nofollow">computer club at Western Michigan University</a> [wmich.edu] is entertaining the idea of hosting these tables, we've been in contact with the admin over there about the data and bandwidth requirements, and it looks like we have the resources needed to host them. Unfortunately we don't have a quorom to vote on the issue until the fall semester begins and the majority of our members are in town.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The computer club at Western Michigan University [ wmich.edu ] is entertaining the idea of hosting these tables , we 've been in contact with the admin over there about the data and bandwidth requirements , and it looks like we have the resources needed to host them .
Unfortunately we do n't have a quorom to vote on the issue until the fall semester begins and the majority of our members are in town .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The computer club at Western Michigan University [wmich.edu] is entertaining the idea of hosting these tables, we've been in contact with the admin over there about the data and bandwidth requirements, and it looks like we have the resources needed to host them.
Unfortunately we don't have a quorom to vote on the issue until the fall semester begins and the majority of our members are in town.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732193</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28740161</id>
	<title>Re:Salts?</title>
	<author>SPBesui</author>
	<datestamp>1247926620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Getting their teeth wet"?  I think you mean "getting their feet wet" or "cutting their teeth."  Or this is some new expression I'm not familiar with.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Getting their teeth wet " ?
I think you mean " getting their feet wet " or " cutting their teeth .
" Or this is some new expression I 'm not familiar with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Getting their teeth wet"?
I think you mean "getting their feet wet" or "cutting their teeth.
"  Or this is some new expression I'm not familiar with.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732713</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732607</id>
	<title>Re:OMG is that annoying...</title>
	<author>sunking2</author>
	<datestamp>1247857320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What was annoying was not the information, but the presentation. Modify the wording to be along the lines of 'For those unfamiliar, blah blah blah' and the summary changes from demeaning/belittling to those unfamiliar, to informative. This is the sort of thing that keeps the nerd in the corner by himself at a party<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>What was annoying was not the information , but the presentation .
Modify the wording to be along the lines of 'For those unfamiliar , blah blah blah ' and the summary changes from demeaning/belittling to those unfamiliar , to informative .
This is the sort of thing that keeps the nerd in the corner by himself at a party : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What was annoying was not the information, but the presentation.
Modify the wording to be along the lines of 'For those unfamiliar, blah blah blah' and the summary changes from demeaning/belittling to those unfamiliar, to informative.
This is the sort of thing that keeps the nerd in the corner by himself at a party :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732423</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28737177</id>
	<title>Re:You know you're hungry when</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247839500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But if you were hungry, wouldn't you think of actual *food* instead? ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But if you were hungry , would n't you think of actual * food * instead ?
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But if you were hungry, wouldn't you think of actual *food* instead?
^^</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732189</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732287</id>
	<title>OMG is that annoying...</title>
	<author>sunking2</author>
	<datestamp>1247855880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you assume that everyone knows what it means then why are you telling us what it means knowing damned well that probably 99\% of the audience doesn't actually know what it means, or cares for that matter. It makes you come across demeaning to the vast majority of people who could give a crap.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you assume that everyone knows what it means then why are you telling us what it means knowing damned well that probably 99 \ % of the audience does n't actually know what it means , or cares for that matter .
It makes you come across demeaning to the vast majority of people who could give a crap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you assume that everyone knows what it means then why are you telling us what it means knowing damned well that probably 99\% of the audience doesn't actually know what it means, or cares for that matter.
It makes you come across demeaning to the vast majority of people who could give a crap.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28734571</id>
	<title>Re:why Rainbow Tables when there is KonBoot?</title>
	<author>querist</author>
	<datestamp>1247823000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Granted, EFS (Encrypted File System - the "encrypt" option on NTFS) isn't the greatest, but it's there, it's included with Windows (and thus, perceived as "free as in beer"), and people use it.</p><p>Kon-Boot will grant you access to the account, but not to anything that the user encrypted using EFS. I have just tested this today to be sure before posting.</p><p>That is one reason why people would want to know the current password rather than just bypass the password, though Kon-Boot certainly still has its uses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Granted , EFS ( Encrypted File System - the " encrypt " option on NTFS ) is n't the greatest , but it 's there , it 's included with Windows ( and thus , perceived as " free as in beer " ) , and people use it.Kon-Boot will grant you access to the account , but not to anything that the user encrypted using EFS .
I have just tested this today to be sure before posting.That is one reason why people would want to know the current password rather than just bypass the password , though Kon-Boot certainly still has its uses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Granted, EFS (Encrypted File System - the "encrypt" option on NTFS) isn't the greatest, but it's there, it's included with Windows (and thus, perceived as "free as in beer"), and people use it.Kon-Boot will grant you access to the account, but not to anything that the user encrypted using EFS.
I have just tested this today to be sure before posting.That is one reason why people would want to know the current password rather than just bypass the password, though Kon-Boot certainly still has its uses.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732421</id>
	<title>Salts?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247856420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought the prevelance of using salts with hashes obsoleted rainbow tables years ago.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought the prevelance of using salts with hashes obsoleted rainbow tables years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought the prevelance of using salts with hashes obsoleted rainbow tables years ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732435</id>
	<title>Only MD5/LM/NTLM?</title>
	<author>AmiMoJo</author>
	<datestamp>1247856480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was expecting more tables than just MD5 and two types of Windows passwords. You can already download the Ophcrack DVD to do Windows passwords with rainbow tables.</p><p>Renderlab offer wifi WPA rainbow tables: <a href="http://www.renderlab.net/projects/WPA-tables/" title="renderlab.net">http://www.renderlab.net/projects/WPA-tables/</a> [renderlab.net] . I hope whoever takes over takes note of projects like that, and tries to expand the range of tables available.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was expecting more tables than just MD5 and two types of Windows passwords .
You can already download the Ophcrack DVD to do Windows passwords with rainbow tables.Renderlab offer wifi WPA rainbow tables : http : //www.renderlab.net/projects/WPA-tables/ [ renderlab.net ] .
I hope whoever takes over takes note of projects like that , and tries to expand the range of tables available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was expecting more tables than just MD5 and two types of Windows passwords.
You can already download the Ophcrack DVD to do Windows passwords with rainbow tables.Renderlab offer wifi WPA rainbow tables: http://www.renderlab.net/projects/WPA-tables/ [renderlab.net] .
I hope whoever takes over takes note of projects like that, and tries to expand the range of tables available.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28735541</id>
	<title>Re:OMG is that annoying...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247828460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you don't know what a rainbow table is, you aren't a nerd. That simple. You might be a gaming dork. Or a technology fan, but not a nerd.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you do n't know what a rainbow table is , you are n't a nerd .
That simple .
You might be a gaming dork .
Or a technology fan , but not a nerd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you don't know what a rainbow table is, you aren't a nerd.
That simple.
You might be a gaming dork.
Or a technology fan, but not a nerd.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732523</id>
	<title>rainbows@home</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247856900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Talk about a distributed computing idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Talk about a distributed computing idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Talk about a distributed computing idea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732477</id>
	<title>why Rainbow Tables when there is KonBoot?</title>
	<author>sammyF70</author>
	<datestamp>1247856720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you need a password to access an account in windows (or linux for that matter), just use <a href="http://www.piotrbania.com/all/kon-boot/" title="piotrbania.com">Kon-boot</a> [piotrbania.com] instead of messing around with rainbow tables.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you need a password to access an account in windows ( or linux for that matter ) , just use Kon-boot [ piotrbania.com ] instead of messing around with rainbow tables .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you need a password to access an account in windows (or linux for that matter), just use Kon-boot [piotrbania.com] instead of messing around with rainbow tables.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28735589</id>
	<title>Re:OMG is that annoying...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247828760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>anyone who knows anything about cracking passwords knows what a rainbow table is</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>anyone who knows anything about cracking passwords knows what a rainbow table is</tokentext>
<sentencetext>anyone who knows anything about cracking passwords knows what a rainbow table is</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28736183</id>
	<title>Re:why Rainbow Tables when there is KonBoot?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247832540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey it works on Ubuntu.  I forgot my root password for that the moment I installed it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey it works on Ubuntu .
I forgot my root password for that the moment I installed it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey it works on Ubuntu.
I forgot my root password for that the moment I installed it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732477</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28764219</id>
	<title>Re:rainbow table?</title>
	<author>quelrods</author>
	<datestamp>1248096780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, the paper is not very clear.  The FAQ on freerainbowtables.com comes complete with some diagrams.  You are certainly correct that rainbow tables are not just huge precomputed hash databases.  Unfortunately, it seems most slashdotters cannot be bothered to actually educate themselves and just like to state that its a term to describe something very basic and old.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , the paper is not very clear .
The FAQ on freerainbowtables.com comes complete with some diagrams .
You are certainly correct that rainbow tables are not just huge precomputed hash databases .
Unfortunately , it seems most slashdotters can not be bothered to actually educate themselves and just like to state that its a term to describe something very basic and old .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, the paper is not very clear.
The FAQ on freerainbowtables.com comes complete with some diagrams.
You are certainly correct that rainbow tables are not just huge precomputed hash databases.
Unfortunately, it seems most slashdotters cannot be bothered to actually educate themselves and just like to state that its a term to describe something very basic and old.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732579</id>
	<title>Re:OMG is that annoying...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247857200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Because slashdot used to be a site for geeks, however recently anytime somebody uses a simple TLA/ETLA people start bitching that they don't know what it meant and they are too lazy to google and/or wikipeida it, so instead you get a stupid thread full of people who have !RTFA commenting on a subject that is of no interest to them, if it was they would have understood the TLA in TFS, this really annoys the few geeks that actually RTFA as it dilutes the comments. As a TFS contains redundant information to prevent people going "what are rainbow tables?", lets be honest if you're the kind of geek that has ever done any 'cracking' you knew what it mean, if you're not then you don't care.</p><p>p.s irony of this post not lost on me!</p></div><p>But what dose the "Theatre of the Living Arts"* have to do with anything?</p><p>*it was the first result on google for TLA.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because slashdot used to be a site for geeks , however recently anytime somebody uses a simple TLA/ETLA people start bitching that they do n't know what it meant and they are too lazy to google and/or wikipeida it , so instead you get a stupid thread full of people who have ! RTFA commenting on a subject that is of no interest to them , if it was they would have understood the TLA in TFS , this really annoys the few geeks that actually RTFA as it dilutes the comments .
As a TFS contains redundant information to prevent people going " what are rainbow tables ?
" , lets be honest if you 're the kind of geek that has ever done any 'cracking ' you knew what it mean , if you 're not then you do n't care.p.s irony of this post not lost on me ! But what dose the " Theatre of the Living Arts " * have to do with anything ?
* it was the first result on google for TLA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because slashdot used to be a site for geeks, however recently anytime somebody uses a simple TLA/ETLA people start bitching that they don't know what it meant and they are too lazy to google and/or wikipeida it, so instead you get a stupid thread full of people who have !RTFA commenting on a subject that is of no interest to them, if it was they would have understood the TLA in TFS, this really annoys the few geeks that actually RTFA as it dilutes the comments.
As a TFS contains redundant information to prevent people going "what are rainbow tables?
", lets be honest if you're the kind of geek that has ever done any 'cracking' you knew what it mean, if you're not then you don't care.p.s irony of this post not lost on me!But what dose the "Theatre of the Living Arts"* have to do with anything?
*it was the first result on google for TLA.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732837</id>
	<title>rainbow table?</title>
	<author>spottedkangaroo</author>
	<datestamp>1247858160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm sure a huge precomputed hash database is handy and everything, but are we sure that's what a rainbow table is?

I tried very hard to make sense of the Oechslin paper on rainbow attacks and it doesn't mention anything about pre-computing individual hashes.  It's about reconstructing cipher chains (or something like that).  Perhaps the term has just become diluted over the years.  Seems wrong to me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure a huge precomputed hash database is handy and everything , but are we sure that 's what a rainbow table is ?
I tried very hard to make sense of the Oechslin paper on rainbow attacks and it does n't mention anything about pre-computing individual hashes .
It 's about reconstructing cipher chains ( or something like that ) .
Perhaps the term has just become diluted over the years .
Seems wrong to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure a huge precomputed hash database is handy and everything, but are we sure that's what a rainbow table is?
I tried very hard to make sense of the Oechslin paper on rainbow attacks and it doesn't mention anything about pre-computing individual hashes.
It's about reconstructing cipher chains (or something like that).
Perhaps the term has just become diluted over the years.
Seems wrong to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732649</id>
	<title>Re:OMG is that annoying...</title>
	<author>b4dc0d3r</author>
	<datestamp>1247857500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People start bitching because it's a knee-jerk reaction at this point.  We're trying to convince people that it takes less time for them to type 2-3 words explaining it than for thousands of people to Google it and figure out which of the many results are applicable based on context.  Would you agree or disagree with this statement?</p><p>Also, just because I'm not familiar with it doesn't mean I won't find it interesting.  Especially if I'm interested in it, and used them lots before someone invented a new name for it for no reason.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People start bitching because it 's a knee-jerk reaction at this point .
We 're trying to convince people that it takes less time for them to type 2-3 words explaining it than for thousands of people to Google it and figure out which of the many results are applicable based on context .
Would you agree or disagree with this statement ? Also , just because I 'm not familiar with it does n't mean I wo n't find it interesting .
Especially if I 'm interested in it , and used them lots before someone invented a new name for it for no reason .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People start bitching because it's a knee-jerk reaction at this point.
We're trying to convince people that it takes less time for them to type 2-3 words explaining it than for thousands of people to Google it and figure out which of the many results are applicable based on context.
Would you agree or disagree with this statement?Also, just because I'm not familiar with it doesn't mean I won't find it interesting.
Especially if I'm interested in it, and used them lots before someone invented a new name for it for no reason.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732949</id>
	<title>Re:You know you're hungry when</title>
	<author>Em Emalb</author>
	<datestamp>1247858700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>think of a table covered in Skittles</i></p><p>Billy Mays here for Free Rainbow Tables dotcom.  Have you ever needed a giant list of pre-computed hashes?  Have you ever forgotten the password to that old Linux box sitting in the corner of the accounting department's coat closet?  Then have I got just the thing for you!  All you need to do is, and this part's amazing, is go to freerainbowtables.com, that's freerainbowtables.com, enter your hash-string, and voila, there's your password.  It's so easy, a paraplegic blind deaf-mute could do it.  That's Freerainbowtables.com.</p><p>I'm Billy Mays, and I say, if you don't use this product, the 5th spawn of the Great Satan himself will come to your house and rape your cat....a lot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>think of a table covered in SkittlesBilly Mays here for Free Rainbow Tables dotcom .
Have you ever needed a giant list of pre-computed hashes ?
Have you ever forgotten the password to that old Linux box sitting in the corner of the accounting department 's coat closet ?
Then have I got just the thing for you !
All you need to do is , and this part 's amazing , is go to freerainbowtables.com , that 's freerainbowtables.com , enter your hash-string , and voila , there 's your password .
It 's so easy , a paraplegic blind deaf-mute could do it .
That 's Freerainbowtables.com.I 'm Billy Mays , and I say , if you do n't use this product , the 5th spawn of the Great Satan himself will come to your house and rape your cat....a lot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>think of a table covered in SkittlesBilly Mays here for Free Rainbow Tables dotcom.
Have you ever needed a giant list of pre-computed hashes?
Have you ever forgotten the password to that old Linux box sitting in the corner of the accounting department's coat closet?
Then have I got just the thing for you!
All you need to do is, and this part's amazing, is go to freerainbowtables.com, that's freerainbowtables.com, enter your hash-string, and voila, there's your password.
It's so easy, a paraplegic blind deaf-mute could do it.
That's Freerainbowtables.com.I'm Billy Mays, and I say, if you don't use this product, the 5th spawn of the Great Satan himself will come to your house and rape your cat....a lot.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28739909</id>
	<title>Re:Salts?</title>
	<author>petermgreen</author>
	<datestamp>1247923260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IIRC up to XP (which is still the most common version in buisnesses afaict) windows was still generating relatively weak lm hashes by default.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IIRC up to XP ( which is still the most common version in buisnesses afaict ) windows was still generating relatively weak lm hashes by default .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IIRC up to XP (which is still the most common version in buisnesses afaict) windows was still generating relatively weak lm hashes by default.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732193</id>
	<title>Support is pending</title>
	<author>192939495969798999</author>
	<datestamp>1247855460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am sure that plenty of groups that may "need an existing password exposed" are interested in anonymously donating hosting for this project.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am sure that plenty of groups that may " need an existing password exposed " are interested in anonymously donating hosting for this project .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am sure that plenty of groups that may "need an existing password exposed" are interested in anonymously donating hosting for this project.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732797</id>
	<title>Re:why Rainbow Tables when there is KonBoot?</title>
	<author>Rich0</author>
	<datestamp>1247858040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't imagine that a tool like this would allow you to authenticate to the domain controller.  Cracking the hash cached on the local system would.</p><p>Unless windows is so insecure that the domain controller just takes the local workstation's word that you successfully logged in.  I can't imagine such a design lasting this long.  If it did you could get the machine's key off the local hard drive and then authenticate as anybody over the network.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't imagine that a tool like this would allow you to authenticate to the domain controller .
Cracking the hash cached on the local system would.Unless windows is so insecure that the domain controller just takes the local workstation 's word that you successfully logged in .
I ca n't imagine such a design lasting this long .
If it did you could get the machine 's key off the local hard drive and then authenticate as anybody over the network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't imagine that a tool like this would allow you to authenticate to the domain controller.
Cracking the hash cached on the local system would.Unless windows is so insecure that the domain controller just takes the local workstation's word that you successfully logged in.
I can't imagine such a design lasting this long.
If it did you could get the machine's key off the local hard drive and then authenticate as anybody over the network.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28733319</id>
	<title>Not exactly</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247860620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i> (I'm sure that you all know a rainbow table is essentially a giant list of precomputed hashes.)</i></p><p>The whole point of a rainbow table is that it's not a giant list of pre-computed hashes, though those do exist also.  It is a large table, but it's not simply a one-to-one dictionary of plaintext and hashes.</p><p>Anyhoo, though RTs are still valid, they are becoming much less useful as an attack method.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( I 'm sure that you all know a rainbow table is essentially a giant list of precomputed hashes .
) The whole point of a rainbow table is that it 's not a giant list of pre-computed hashes , though those do exist also .
It is a large table , but it 's not simply a one-to-one dictionary of plaintext and hashes.Anyhoo , though RTs are still valid , they are becoming much less useful as an attack method .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> (I'm sure that you all know a rainbow table is essentially a giant list of precomputed hashes.
)The whole point of a rainbow table is that it's not a giant list of pre-computed hashes, though those do exist also.
It is a large table, but it's not simply a one-to-one dictionary of plaintext and hashes.Anyhoo, though RTs are still valid, they are becoming much less useful as an attack method.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732543</id>
	<title>Tiny tables?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247857020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The currently computed tables weigh in at well over half a terabyte</p></div></blockquote><p>Is that actually a lot? I mean that's half of one cheap hard drive, unless it's purely the computational time to generate 500GiB of Rainbow Tables that's impressive here, and if that's the case would it not be better advertising it as such?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The currently computed tables weigh in at well over half a terabyteIs that actually a lot ?
I mean that 's half of one cheap hard drive , unless it 's purely the computational time to generate 500GiB of Rainbow Tables that 's impressive here , and if that 's the case would it not be better advertising it as such ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The currently computed tables weigh in at well over half a terabyteIs that actually a lot?
I mean that's half of one cheap hard drive, unless it's purely the computational time to generate 500GiB of Rainbow Tables that's impressive here, and if that's the case would it not be better advertising it as such?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732871</id>
	<title>Re:Salts?</title>
	<author>Auntie Virus</author>
	<datestamp>1247858280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext> MMMM Salty Hasssssh</htmltext>
<tokenext>MMMM Salty Hasssssh</tokentext>
<sentencetext> MMMM Salty Hasssssh</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28734755</id>
	<title>Donate Hosting..</title>
	<author>resorb</author>
	<datestamp>1247823660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Resorb Networks, Inc ( <a href="http://www.resorb.net/" title="resorb.net" rel="nofollow">www.resorb.net</a> [resorb.net] ) would donate hosting...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Resorb Networks , Inc ( www.resorb.net [ resorb.net ] ) would donate hosting.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Resorb Networks, Inc ( www.resorb.net [resorb.net] ) would donate hosting...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28735659</id>
	<title>Re:why Rainbow Tables when there is KonBoot?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247829300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Definitely won't work if you're actively connected to a domain.  No EFS access either.</p><p>But, it will work if you log-in to a domain profile with cached creds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Definitely wo n't work if you 're actively connected to a domain .
No EFS access either.But , it will work if you log-in to a domain profile with cached creds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Definitely won't work if you're actively connected to a domain.
No EFS access either.But, it will work if you log-in to a domain profile with cached creds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28733041</id>
	<title>Re:You know you're hungry when</title>
	<author>bertoelcon</author>
	<datestamp>1247859180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's good to know I wasn't alone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's good to know I was n't alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's good to know I wasn't alone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732737</id>
	<title>Re:Salts?</title>
	<author>zindorsky</author>
	<datestamp>1247857800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I thought the prevelance of using salts with hashes obsoleted rainbow tables years ago.</p></div><p>True. Correctly salting your password hashes will make rainbow tables useless.</p><p>But<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Guess which system still doesn't salt passwords? Windows!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought the prevelance of using salts with hashes obsoleted rainbow tables years ago.True .
Correctly salting your password hashes will make rainbow tables useless.But ... Guess which system still does n't salt passwords ?
Windows !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought the prevelance of using salts with hashes obsoleted rainbow tables years ago.True.
Correctly salting your password hashes will make rainbow tables useless.But ... Guess which system still doesn't salt passwords?
Windows!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732427</id>
	<title>pluS 3, Troll)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247856480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">all know we want. Sling, return it to</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>all know we want .
Sling , return it to [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>all know we want.
Sling, return it to [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28732713</id>
	<title>Re:Salts?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247857740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The site host/cracked NTLM LM MD5</p><p><div class="quote"><p>NTLM is still used in the following situations:<br>* The client is authenticating to a server using an IP address.<br>* The client is authenticating to a server that belongs to a different Active Directory forest, or doesn't belong to a domain.<br>* No Active Directory domain exists (commonly referred to as "workgroup" or "peer-to-peer").<br>* Where a firewall would otherwise restrict the ports required by Kerberos (of which there are quite a few)</p></div><p>So kids getting their teeth wet on home networks, which probably explains why its not being supported. MD5 is still used by applications that arn't quite sure what they are doing/can't do much more e.g grub, im clients, etc.</p><p>Lookup tables are still useful in <a href="http://www.renderlab.net/projects/WPA-tables/" title="renderlab.net">cracking WPA</a> [renderlab.net]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The site host/cracked NTLM LM MD5NTLM is still used in the following situations : * The client is authenticating to a server using an IP address .
* The client is authenticating to a server that belongs to a different Active Directory forest , or does n't belong to a domain .
* No Active Directory domain exists ( commonly referred to as " workgroup " or " peer-to-peer " ) .
* Where a firewall would otherwise restrict the ports required by Kerberos ( of which there are quite a few ) So kids getting their teeth wet on home networks , which probably explains why its not being supported .
MD5 is still used by applications that ar n't quite sure what they are doing/ca n't do much more e.g grub , im clients , etc.Lookup tables are still useful in cracking WPA [ renderlab.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The site host/cracked NTLM LM MD5NTLM is still used in the following situations:* The client is authenticating to a server using an IP address.
* The client is authenticating to a server that belongs to a different Active Directory forest, or doesn't belong to a domain.
* No Active Directory domain exists (commonly referred to as "workgroup" or "peer-to-peer").
* Where a firewall would otherwise restrict the ports required by Kerberos (of which there are quite a few)So kids getting their teeth wet on home networks, which probably explains why its not being supported.
MD5 is still used by applications that arn't quite sure what they are doing/can't do much more e.g grub, im clients, etc.Lookup tables are still useful in cracking WPA [renderlab.net]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28764175</id>
	<title>Re:Salts?</title>
	<author>quelrods</author>
	<datestamp>1248096540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"im clients, etc."
<br> <br>
Ha!  Seems IM clients tend to just store the passwords plaintext so even unsalted MD5 would be an improvement over the status quo.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" im clients , etc .
" Ha !
Seems IM clients tend to just store the passwords plaintext so even unsalted MD5 would be an improvement over the status quo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"im clients, etc.
"
 
Ha!
Seems IM clients tend to just store the passwords plaintext so even unsalted MD5 would be an improvement over the status quo.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_17_1435209.28734997</id>
	<title>Re:OMG is that annoying...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247824860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would you give a crap about X if you don't know what X is, and don't even care to look it up? There's a difference between not knowing something and being an ignorant, you are clearly the latter. Why did you get a Slashdot ID, do you collect memberships?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you give a crap about X if you do n't know what X is , and do n't even care to look it up ?
There 's a difference between not knowing something and being an ignorant , you are clearly the latter .
Why did you get a Slashdot ID , do you collect memberships ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you give a crap about X if you don't know what X is, and don't even care to look it up?
There's a difference between not knowing something and being an ignorant, you are clearly the latter.
Why did you get a Slashdot ID, do you collect memberships?</sentencetext>
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