<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_15_1812226</id>
	<title>Embedded Linux Achieves One-Second Boot Time</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1247682180000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Sam writes <i>"A new goalpost has been set in the race for faster bootup times.  MontaVista Software announced (and demonstrated at the <a href="http://www-2.virtualevents365.com/freescale\_vftf/index.php">Virtual Freescale Technology Forum</a>) a dashboard application going <a href="http://www.mvista.com/press\_release\_detail.php?fid=news/2009/Ultra-fast-boot.html">from cold boot to operational in one second flat</a> on their embedded Linux platform.  Although this is unlikely to immediately benefit your average Linux user, previous real-time patches have eventually made their way into the main kernel."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sam writes " A new goalpost has been set in the race for faster bootup times .
MontaVista Software announced ( and demonstrated at the Virtual Freescale Technology Forum ) a dashboard application going from cold boot to operational in one second flat on their embedded Linux platform .
Although this is unlikely to immediately benefit your average Linux user , previous real-time patches have eventually made their way into the main kernel .
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<sentencetext>Sam writes "A new goalpost has been set in the race for faster bootup times.
MontaVista Software announced (and demonstrated at the Virtual Freescale Technology Forum) a dashboard application going from cold boot to operational in one second flat on their embedded Linux platform.
Although this is unlikely to immediately benefit your average Linux user, previous real-time patches have eventually made their way into the main kernel.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28708181</id>
	<title>Re:Not needed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247651880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You really do bite.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You really do bite .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You really do bite.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28707007</id>
	<title>Re:It's 1980 all over again</title>
	<author>noname444</author>
	<datestamp>1247689200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A DX2, at 266 MHz, in the early 90s? If this is an Intel 486 we're talking about I think you've gotten the numbers a bit wrong. Mine ran at 33 MHz.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A DX2 , at 266 MHz , in the early 90s ?
If this is an Intel 486 we 're talking about I think you 've gotten the numbers a bit wrong .
Mine ran at 33 MHz .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A DX2, at 266 MHz, in the early 90s?
If this is an Intel 486 we're talking about I think you've gotten the numbers a bit wrong.
Mine ran at 33 MHz.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28710919</id>
	<title>Re:Does it matter all that much?</title>
	<author>RiotingPacifist</author>
	<datestamp>1247665800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It depends what you are doing. shutdown != hibernate/suspend.<br>suspend is used as a workaround for slow boot,<br>hibernate is also used but even that can only be so fast ~2.5s per gig of ram in use when hibernated.<br>But both are just ways to save power while and allow you to continue your current task later and should not be considered replacements for shutdown/startup when your done.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>I wouldn't think devices w/ embedded Linux would shut down regularly,</p></div><p>Embedded linux can go everywhere, in this specific case its a car system that<br>1) has very low power usage requirements (no suspend)<br>2) has no permanent storage (no hdd or battery backed ram)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It depends what you are doing .
shutdown ! = hibernate/suspend.suspend is used as a workaround for slow boot,hibernate is also used but even that can only be so fast ~ 2.5s per gig of ram in use when hibernated.But both are just ways to save power while and allow you to continue your current task later and should not be considered replacements for shutdown/startup when your done.I would n't think devices w/ embedded Linux would shut down regularly,Embedded linux can go everywhere , in this specific case its a car system that1 ) has very low power usage requirements ( no suspend ) 2 ) has no permanent storage ( no hdd or battery backed ram )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It depends what you are doing.
shutdown != hibernate/suspend.suspend is used as a workaround for slow boot,hibernate is also used but even that can only be so fast ~2.5s per gig of ram in use when hibernated.But both are just ways to save power while and allow you to continue your current task later and should not be considered replacements for shutdown/startup when your done.I wouldn't think devices w/ embedded Linux would shut down regularly,Embedded linux can go everywhere, in this specific case its a car system that1) has very low power usage requirements (no suspend)2) has no permanent storage (no hdd or battery backed ram)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706837</id>
	<title>I had 4 second boot with uClinux in 2001.</title>
	<author>cellurl</author>
	<datestamp>1247688480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>At the time, I bragged 4 seconds (real application running) was the industry fastest with out gizmo,
<a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20011127181615/http://airlib.com/" title="archive.org" rel="nofollow">Blabbermouth</a> [archive.org]

<br> <br>
What I want to see is 0seconds using Flash. eg. run out of flash and just stop the clock! Then resume it. That has to work, right?</htmltext>
<tokenext>At the time , I bragged 4 seconds ( real application running ) was the industry fastest with out gizmo , Blabbermouth [ archive.org ] What I want to see is 0seconds using Flash .
eg. run out of flash and just stop the clock !
Then resume it .
That has to work , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At the time, I bragged 4 seconds (real application running) was the industry fastest with out gizmo,
Blabbermouth [archive.org]

 
What I want to see is 0seconds using Flash.
eg. run out of flash and just stop the clock!
Then resume it.
That has to work, right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706341</id>
	<title>That's pretty cool...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247686320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Though the fact that this is an embedded device with, most likely, a REALLY stripped down version of Linux is kind of cheating a bit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Though the fact that this is an embedded device with , most likely , a REALLY stripped down version of Linux is kind of cheating a bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Though the fact that this is an embedded device with, most likely, a REALLY stripped down version of Linux is kind of cheating a bit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706813</id>
	<title>Moot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247688420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does anyone reading<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. even remember the last time they booted their workstation? I would definitely have to check my uptime and do the math to know.
<br> <br>
Having said that, this would be great for things like laptops, netbooks, pdas, etc. Things that run from battery most of the time... might decrease battery usage thus increasing actual usage time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone reading / .
even remember the last time they booted their workstation ?
I would definitely have to check my uptime and do the math to know .
Having said that , this would be great for things like laptops , netbooks , pdas , etc .
Things that run from battery most of the time... might decrease battery usage thus increasing actual usage time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone reading /.
even remember the last time they booted their workstation?
I would definitely have to check my uptime and do the math to know.
Having said that, this would be great for things like laptops, netbooks, pdas, etc.
Things that run from battery most of the time... might decrease battery usage thus increasing actual usage time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28707699</id>
	<title>Completely overrated and someone else did it first</title>
	<author>synthesizerpatel</author>
	<datestamp>1247649360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm working as an embedded driver software engineer and setup our company's OpenEmbedded build system to provide an end-to-end build environment for our embedded offering and while I can't find the link at the moment -- the one second boot time has been done before and was posted on TI's OMAP developer site a while ago. If I remember correctly it's mostly about U-Boot and how it copies the kernel into memory (byte by byte as opposed to streaming it) which is where you get the majority of your time decrease.</p><p>Either way, MontaVista is not the first on this one and it's a shame they're pretending they are.</p><p>The one second boot time is also never going to benefit regular PCs as they achieve it due to the nature of embedded systems -- you build a distro for your specific hardware which means no probing, none of that BIOS junk. No looking for the 'first' boot device.. U-Boot can be configured to automatically jump to the booting phase so you're already faster there. Beyond that, load and decompress your kernel (it'd be faster if your kernel wasn't compressed too wouldn't it?)..</p><p>So, chalk this up to having a kernel built specifically for your hardware and a boot-loader that is set to only boot one way, ever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm working as an embedded driver software engineer and setup our company 's OpenEmbedded build system to provide an end-to-end build environment for our embedded offering and while I ca n't find the link at the moment -- the one second boot time has been done before and was posted on TI 's OMAP developer site a while ago .
If I remember correctly it 's mostly about U-Boot and how it copies the kernel into memory ( byte by byte as opposed to streaming it ) which is where you get the majority of your time decrease.Either way , MontaVista is not the first on this one and it 's a shame they 're pretending they are.The one second boot time is also never going to benefit regular PCs as they achieve it due to the nature of embedded systems -- you build a distro for your specific hardware which means no probing , none of that BIOS junk .
No looking for the 'first ' boot device.. U-Boot can be configured to automatically jump to the booting phase so you 're already faster there .
Beyond that , load and decompress your kernel ( it 'd be faster if your kernel was n't compressed too would n't it ?
) ..So , chalk this up to having a kernel built specifically for your hardware and a boot-loader that is set to only boot one way , ever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm working as an embedded driver software engineer and setup our company's OpenEmbedded build system to provide an end-to-end build environment for our embedded offering and while I can't find the link at the moment -- the one second boot time has been done before and was posted on TI's OMAP developer site a while ago.
If I remember correctly it's mostly about U-Boot and how it copies the kernel into memory (byte by byte as opposed to streaming it) which is where you get the majority of your time decrease.Either way, MontaVista is not the first on this one and it's a shame they're pretending they are.The one second boot time is also never going to benefit regular PCs as they achieve it due to the nature of embedded systems -- you build a distro for your specific hardware which means no probing, none of that BIOS junk.
No looking for the 'first' boot device.. U-Boot can be configured to automatically jump to the booting phase so you're already faster there.
Beyond that, load and decompress your kernel (it'd be faster if your kernel wasn't compressed too wouldn't it?
)..So, chalk this up to having a kernel built specifically for your hardware and a boot-loader that is set to only boot one way, ever.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706971</id>
	<title>Re:Does it matter all that much?</title>
	<author>Tubal-Cain</author>
	<datestamp>1247689080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My phone gets no reception at work, so I turn it off. I turn it on again when I leave, and I usually need to use it at that time. It's frustrating that it takes longer to boot my phone than to actually <em>make the phone call</em>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My phone gets no reception at work , so I turn it off .
I turn it on again when I leave , and I usually need to use it at that time .
It 's frustrating that it takes longer to boot my phone than to actually make the phone call .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My phone gets no reception at work, so I turn it off.
I turn it on again when I leave, and I usually need to use it at that time.
It's frustrating that it takes longer to boot my phone than to actually make the phone call.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28714131</id>
	<title>DIY</title>
	<author>Crossmire</author>
	<datestamp>1247739600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've recently become interested in this area myself, so I was surprised to see an article on fast booting. I was hoping the comments would by chance happen to answer some of the questions I have regarding the topic, but they have not, so my next best bet is to ask. I know plenty of you will say that fast booting is not important. I'll admit do care a little bit about boot times, but I'm mainly interested from an academic point of view and am using this to try to learn a little more about how Linux works.</p><p>I'd like to put together a very fast booting Linux system, composed of just the bare minimum needed to be able to run something like BusyBox. I've googled this topic and have found things like Linux From Scratch, but as far as I can tell these seem to have their own software on which you base whatever you're building. I was under the impression that all you need to boot is a file system, the Linux kernel, an initrd and then userland software for whatever you want to run. I've read that initrd isn't even needed if you compile SATA drivers into the kernel and maybe some other things. In fact I would say that another aim is to boot without using initrd at all, I only intend to use this on my computer for a bit of fun.</p><p>Are there any websites that contain a minimal list of things required to get Linux to boot? I could be horribly wrong on a lot of this, in which case I look forward to being corrected.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've recently become interested in this area myself , so I was surprised to see an article on fast booting .
I was hoping the comments would by chance happen to answer some of the questions I have regarding the topic , but they have not , so my next best bet is to ask .
I know plenty of you will say that fast booting is not important .
I 'll admit do care a little bit about boot times , but I 'm mainly interested from an academic point of view and am using this to try to learn a little more about how Linux works.I 'd like to put together a very fast booting Linux system , composed of just the bare minimum needed to be able to run something like BusyBox .
I 've googled this topic and have found things like Linux From Scratch , but as far as I can tell these seem to have their own software on which you base whatever you 're building .
I was under the impression that all you need to boot is a file system , the Linux kernel , an initrd and then userland software for whatever you want to run .
I 've read that initrd is n't even needed if you compile SATA drivers into the kernel and maybe some other things .
In fact I would say that another aim is to boot without using initrd at all , I only intend to use this on my computer for a bit of fun.Are there any websites that contain a minimal list of things required to get Linux to boot ?
I could be horribly wrong on a lot of this , in which case I look forward to being corrected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've recently become interested in this area myself, so I was surprised to see an article on fast booting.
I was hoping the comments would by chance happen to answer some of the questions I have regarding the topic, but they have not, so my next best bet is to ask.
I know plenty of you will say that fast booting is not important.
I'll admit do care a little bit about boot times, but I'm mainly interested from an academic point of view and am using this to try to learn a little more about how Linux works.I'd like to put together a very fast booting Linux system, composed of just the bare minimum needed to be able to run something like BusyBox.
I've googled this topic and have found things like Linux From Scratch, but as far as I can tell these seem to have their own software on which you base whatever you're building.
I was under the impression that all you need to boot is a file system, the Linux kernel, an initrd and then userland software for whatever you want to run.
I've read that initrd isn't even needed if you compile SATA drivers into the kernel and maybe some other things.
In fact I would say that another aim is to boot without using initrd at all, I only intend to use this on my computer for a bit of fun.Are there any websites that contain a minimal list of things required to get Linux to boot?
I could be horribly wrong on a lot of this, in which case I look forward to being corrected.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28711561</id>
	<title>Re:Not needed</title>
	<author>mldi</author>
	<datestamp>1247670720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To be fair, a typical machine idling uses <a href="http://techreviewer.com/viewpage.cfm/ui/040226130555" title="techreviewer.com" rel="nofollow">about the same energy as 1 incandescent light bulb (60w - 75w)</a> [techreviewer.com]. A typical machine under load is even comparable to the 100w bulbs.

I'd imagine laptops to be less than that.

So, I guess if you're playing Quake, turn the light off in the room and make up the difference.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To be fair , a typical machine idling uses about the same energy as 1 incandescent light bulb ( 60w - 75w ) [ techreviewer.com ] .
A typical machine under load is even comparable to the 100w bulbs .
I 'd imagine laptops to be less than that .
So , I guess if you 're playing Quake , turn the light off in the room and make up the difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be fair, a typical machine idling uses about the same energy as 1 incandescent light bulb (60w - 75w) [techreviewer.com].
A typical machine under load is even comparable to the 100w bulbs.
I'd imagine laptops to be less than that.
So, I guess if you're playing Quake, turn the light off in the room and make up the difference.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706611</id>
	<title>Re:Nice text color</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247687580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whether or not you like his writing, I think Maddox hit the peak of usable web design: dark background, with large-font bright text. If you don't like the yellow, you could go with old-CLI-style green. Either way, it's the easiest webpage on the internet to read.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whether or not you like his writing , I think Maddox hit the peak of usable web design : dark background , with large-font bright text .
If you do n't like the yellow , you could go with old-CLI-style green .
Either way , it 's the easiest webpage on the internet to read .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whether or not you like his writing, I think Maddox hit the peak of usable web design: dark background, with large-font bright text.
If you don't like the yellow, you could go with old-CLI-style green.
Either way, it's the easiest webpage on the internet to read.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706829</id>
	<title>Re:Not needed</title>
	<author>pz</author>
	<datestamp>1247688420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Linux has insane uptime. I can usually keep my box on indefinitely. I'll only turn it off when I accidentally pull out the cord when I'm reaching behind my desk or when I blow a fuse by running the microwave, toaster, and dishwasher at the same time.</p><p>Why have such a quick boot time when you hardly need to boot in the first place?</p></div><p>Because, in my experience, laptops are far less well-supported and far less reliable.  My desktop machine currently has 100+ days of uptime, and the last power cycle was because of a scheduled power outage in the building.  That uptime is typical for my desktops.  In contrast, my laptop rarely goes more than a couple of days without needing a reboot because some driver or another gets into a fubar state.  I use my desktop 8-10 hours per day, and my laptop 1-2 hours per day, so factor that in as well.</p><p>Couple that experience (which has been repeated over a number of desktops and a number of laptops, so I don't think is exceptional) with the fact that laptops are, I believe, outselling desktops and you have a need for quick boot times.</p><p>Also, Linux coming out of hibernation is dog slow.  Doooooooooooggggggggg slow.  It's far faster to boot up from scratch, for my laptop at least, and have to re-initialize my workspace than it is to wait for the RAM image to load from disk.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux has insane uptime .
I can usually keep my box on indefinitely .
I 'll only turn it off when I accidentally pull out the cord when I 'm reaching behind my desk or when I blow a fuse by running the microwave , toaster , and dishwasher at the same time.Why have such a quick boot time when you hardly need to boot in the first place ? Because , in my experience , laptops are far less well-supported and far less reliable .
My desktop machine currently has 100 + days of uptime , and the last power cycle was because of a scheduled power outage in the building .
That uptime is typical for my desktops .
In contrast , my laptop rarely goes more than a couple of days without needing a reboot because some driver or another gets into a fubar state .
I use my desktop 8-10 hours per day , and my laptop 1-2 hours per day , so factor that in as well.Couple that experience ( which has been repeated over a number of desktops and a number of laptops , so I do n't think is exceptional ) with the fact that laptops are , I believe , outselling desktops and you have a need for quick boot times.Also , Linux coming out of hibernation is dog slow .
Doooooooooooggggggggg slow .
It 's far faster to boot up from scratch , for my laptop at least , and have to re-initialize my workspace than it is to wait for the RAM image to load from disk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux has insane uptime.
I can usually keep my box on indefinitely.
I'll only turn it off when I accidentally pull out the cord when I'm reaching behind my desk or when I blow a fuse by running the microwave, toaster, and dishwasher at the same time.Why have such a quick boot time when you hardly need to boot in the first place?Because, in my experience, laptops are far less well-supported and far less reliable.
My desktop machine currently has 100+ days of uptime, and the last power cycle was because of a scheduled power outage in the building.
That uptime is typical for my desktops.
In contrast, my laptop rarely goes more than a couple of days without needing a reboot because some driver or another gets into a fubar state.
I use my desktop 8-10 hours per day, and my laptop 1-2 hours per day, so factor that in as well.Couple that experience (which has been repeated over a number of desktops and a number of laptops, so I don't think is exceptional) with the fact that laptops are, I believe, outselling desktops and you have a need for quick boot times.Also, Linux coming out of hibernation is dog slow.
Doooooooooooggggggggg slow.
It's far faster to boot up from scratch, for my laptop at least, and have to re-initialize my workspace than it is to wait for the RAM image to load from disk.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28707057</id>
	<title>Re:Not needed</title>
	<author>HeronBlademaster</author>
	<datestamp>1247689500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you dual boot between Linux and Windows, like I do, quick boot times are important.  I often find myself just staying in Windows to do things I would be better off doing in Linux because I don't want to wait for the computer to reboot.  Waiting for Windows to shut down and then waiting for Linux to boot up takes a while (in terms of attention span).  I already have a hard enough time motivating myself to be productive at home<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>On an unrelated note... why are your microwave, toaster, dishwasher, and computer all on the same circuit?  Do you plug your computer in in your kitchen?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you dual boot between Linux and Windows , like I do , quick boot times are important .
I often find myself just staying in Windows to do things I would be better off doing in Linux because I do n't want to wait for the computer to reboot .
Waiting for Windows to shut down and then waiting for Linux to boot up takes a while ( in terms of attention span ) .
I already have a hard enough time motivating myself to be productive at home ; ) On an unrelated note... why are your microwave , toaster , dishwasher , and computer all on the same circuit ?
Do you plug your computer in in your kitchen ?
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you dual boot between Linux and Windows, like I do, quick boot times are important.
I often find myself just staying in Windows to do things I would be better off doing in Linux because I don't want to wait for the computer to reboot.
Waiting for Windows to shut down and then waiting for Linux to boot up takes a while (in terms of attention span).
I already have a hard enough time motivating myself to be productive at home ;)On an unrelated note... why are your microwave, toaster, dishwasher, and computer all on the same circuit?
Do you plug your computer in in your kitchen?
:P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706597</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>BrokenHalo</author>
	<datestamp>1247687520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, but you know you're really cool when you have no idea how long it takes to boot your machine. After all, you only do it once.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , but you know you 're really cool when you have no idea how long it takes to boot your machine .
After all , you only do it once .
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, but you know you're really cool when you have no idea how long it takes to boot your machine.
After all, you only do it once.
;-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706429</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247686740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know you're taking the piss but the problem is x86 hardware is so crap it often takes a full 20 seconds before the boot sector is even touched. 1 second boot will never be possible on this shitty hardware until you rewrite the bios.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know you 're taking the piss but the problem is x86 hardware is so crap it often takes a full 20 seconds before the boot sector is even touched .
1 second boot will never be possible on this shitty hardware until you rewrite the bios .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know you're taking the piss but the problem is x86 hardware is so crap it often takes a full 20 seconds before the boot sector is even touched.
1 second boot will never be possible on this shitty hardware until you rewrite the bios.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28710763</id>
	<title>Re:Does it matter all that much?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247664660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you can reboot about as fast as it takes to hibernate, then there's no need to hibernate. It saves energy, and reduces the risk of data corruption.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you can reboot about as fast as it takes to hibernate , then there 's no need to hibernate .
It saves energy , and reduces the risk of data corruption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you can reboot about as fast as it takes to hibernate, then there's no need to hibernate.
It saves energy, and reduces the risk of data corruption.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706369</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28711331</id>
	<title>How fast can you type 5w0rdf1s#?</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1247668980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Give me a call when they can go from off to Google in less than 1 second. (OS boot, wireless initialization, browser start, google reply).</p></div><p>That would depend on two things: 1. how fast you can type in the passphrase to unlock the keyring that holds your WEP/WPA/WPA2 keys, and 2. how fast your router (whose operating system you usually do not control) responds.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Give me a call when they can go from off to Google in less than 1 second .
( OS boot , wireless initialization , browser start , google reply ) .That would depend on two things : 1. how fast you can type in the passphrase to unlock the keyring that holds your WEP/WPA/WPA2 keys , and 2. how fast your router ( whose operating system you usually do not control ) responds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give me a call when they can go from off to Google in less than 1 second.
(OS boot, wireless initialization, browser start, google reply).That would depend on two things: 1. how fast you can type in the passphrase to unlock the keyring that holds your WEP/WPA/WPA2 keys, and 2. how fast your router (whose operating system you usually do not control) responds.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706467</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28708251</id>
	<title>Re:That's pretty cool...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247652180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The thing with an embedded device is that the hardware is known. The boot sequence can skip hardware detection and it can be customized to only deal with what is specifically installed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing with an embedded device is that the hardware is known .
The boot sequence can skip hardware detection and it can be customized to only deal with what is specifically installed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing with an embedded device is that the hardware is known.
The boot sequence can skip hardware detection and it can be customized to only deal with what is specifically installed.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706341</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28715231</id>
	<title>Re:Does it matter all that much?</title>
	<author>fia</author>
	<datestamp>1247751780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, it matters. Read the customer design challenges:

"system needs to provide real-time data in 1sec from power-on"

"can not use suspend/resume due to a very limited power budget and temperature range -  no battery to backup RAM."

"must be resilient to power loss at any time - to prevent data corruption"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , it matters .
Read the customer design challenges : " system needs to provide real-time data in 1sec from power-on " " can not use suspend/resume due to a very limited power budget and temperature range - no battery to backup RAM .
" " must be resilient to power loss at any time - to prevent data corruption "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, it matters.
Read the customer design challenges:

"system needs to provide real-time data in 1sec from power-on"

"can not use suspend/resume due to a very limited power budget and temperature range -  no battery to backup RAM.
"

"must be resilient to power loss at any time - to prevent data corruption"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28707683</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>Jeremy Erwin</author>
	<datestamp>1247649300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>1 second boot will never be possible on this shitty hardware until you rewrite the bios.</p></div><p>So rewrite the bios. <a href="http://download.intel.com/design/intarch/papers/320497.pdf" title="intel.com">Fastboot BIOS:An Investigation of BIOS Speed Enhancement Featuring the Intel Atom Processor </a> [intel.com]</p><p>On the other hand, perhaps the authors cheated.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>During the boot process, the BIOS provides an opportunity for the user to hit a hot key that<br>terminates the boot process and instead displays a menu used to modify various platform settings.<br>This includes settings such as boot order, disabling various processor or chipset features, modifying<br>media parameters, etc.  On an embedded device, BIOS setup (and any similar settings provided by<br>an operating system loader) is more of a liability since it gives the end-user access to BIOS<br>features that are potentially untested on the device. It is better to have a set of setup options that<br>may be chosen at BIOS build time.   Removal of BIOS setup also saves significant BIOS post time.</p> </div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 second boot will never be possible on this shitty hardware until you rewrite the bios.So rewrite the bios .
Fastboot BIOS : An Investigation of BIOS Speed Enhancement Featuring the Intel Atom Processor [ intel.com ] On the other hand , perhaps the authors cheated.During the boot process , the BIOS provides an opportunity for the user to hit a hot key thatterminates the boot process and instead displays a menu used to modify various platform settings.This includes settings such as boot order , disabling various processor or chipset features , modifyingmedia parameters , etc .
On an embedded device , BIOS setup ( and any similar settings provided byan operating system loader ) is more of a liability since it gives the end-user access to BIOSfeatures that are potentially untested on the device .
It is better to have a set of setup options thatmay be chosen at BIOS build time .
Removal of BIOS setup also saves significant BIOS post time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1 second boot will never be possible on this shitty hardware until you rewrite the bios.So rewrite the bios.
Fastboot BIOS:An Investigation of BIOS Speed Enhancement Featuring the Intel Atom Processor  [intel.com]On the other hand, perhaps the authors cheated.During the boot process, the BIOS provides an opportunity for the user to hit a hot key thatterminates the boot process and instead displays a menu used to modify various platform settings.This includes settings such as boot order, disabling various processor or chipset features, modifyingmedia parameters, etc.
On an embedded device, BIOS setup (and any similar settings provided byan operating system loader) is more of a liability since it gives the end-user access to BIOSfeatures that are potentially untested on the device.
It is better to have a set of setup options thatmay be chosen at BIOS build time.
Removal of BIOS setup also saves significant BIOS post time. 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706317</id>
	<title>It's 1980 all over again</title>
	<author>JonTurner</author>
	<datestamp>1247686200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Impressive and would be a huge improvement over the current state of things.</p><p>But then again, my 1Mhz Apple ][ could cold boot in just a couple seconds.Of course, loading Applesoft Basic from tape took an additional two minutes but Integer Basic was in the ROM.</p><p>Michael Abrash wrote a great article about this in Dr. Dobbs magazine in the 90s. His young daughter (5 years old?) asked him why he never used his "fast" computer. Abrash was using a state-of-the-art 266mhz DX2 powerhouse and couldn't figure out what she meant. She was referring to the old Vic-20 in the corner that would boot in just a few seconds. Windows 3.0 took several minutes to load. IIRC, the article was titled "perception is everything"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Impressive and would be a huge improvement over the current state of things.But then again , my 1Mhz Apple ] [ could cold boot in just a couple seconds.Of course , loading Applesoft Basic from tape took an additional two minutes but Integer Basic was in the ROM.Michael Abrash wrote a great article about this in Dr. Dobbs magazine in the 90s .
His young daughter ( 5 years old ?
) asked him why he never used his " fast " computer .
Abrash was using a state-of-the-art 266mhz DX2 powerhouse and could n't figure out what she meant .
She was referring to the old Vic-20 in the corner that would boot in just a few seconds .
Windows 3.0 took several minutes to load .
IIRC , the article was titled " perception is everything "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Impressive and would be a huge improvement over the current state of things.But then again, my 1Mhz Apple ][ could cold boot in just a couple seconds.Of course, loading Applesoft Basic from tape took an additional two minutes but Integer Basic was in the ROM.Michael Abrash wrote a great article about this in Dr. Dobbs magazine in the 90s.
His young daughter (5 years old?
) asked him why he never used his "fast" computer.
Abrash was using a state-of-the-art 266mhz DX2 powerhouse and couldn't figure out what she meant.
She was referring to the old Vic-20 in the corner that would boot in just a few seconds.
Windows 3.0 took several minutes to load.
IIRC, the article was titled "perception is everything"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28714559</id>
	<title>Re:Completely overrated and someone else did it fi</title>
	<author>Ren Hoak</author>
	<datestamp>1247745180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to the manufacturer, <a href="http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7800" title="embeddedarm.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7800</a> [embeddedarm.com] boots to Linux in 0.69 second. It's a 500MHz ARM-9 based system. I haven't used this board, but I've used others from the same manufacturer; the Linux they provide is Debian-based on the boards I've used.</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the manufacturer , http : //www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php ? product = TS-7800 [ embeddedarm.com ] boots to Linux in 0.69 second .
It 's a 500MHz ARM-9 based system .
I have n't used this board , but I 've used others from the same manufacturer ; the Linux they provide is Debian-based on the boards I 've used .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the manufacturer, http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7800 [embeddedarm.com] boots to Linux in 0.69 second.
It's a 500MHz ARM-9 based system.
I haven't used this board, but I've used others from the same manufacturer; the Linux they provide is Debian-based on the boards I've used.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706507</id>
	<title>Re:That's pretty cool...</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1247687160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Embedded apps often run on a stripped down embedded system, so for that context, the test is fair.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Embedded apps often run on a stripped down embedded system , so for that context , the test is fair .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Embedded apps often run on a stripped down embedded system, so for that context, the test is fair.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706657</id>
	<title>Re:Does it matter all that much?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247687700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Depends on the type of embedded device, I suspect.<br> <br>

In extremely broad terms, there is "embedded" as in "essentially always on" which covers things like routers, NAS boxes, LOM cards, and watches; and "embedded" as in "should turn on and off as fast as the device it is embedded in" which covers things like TV electronic program guide systems, car engine computers, and the like. The line between the two can be rather blurry(my cellphone is on most of the day, to receive work calls; but waiting 40ish seconds when I just need a single phone number after hours annoys me, so it could fall in either category. And computers fall in one or the other largely depending on how you use them); but, depending on your taste, you can come up with one.<br> <br>

For the first class; boot time isn't a giant deal. All else being equal, I'd rather have my router reboot in 2 seconds rather than 90 seconds; but I wouldn't pay much money for such a feature(and the sort of people who would pay any nontrivial amount would likely be better off with a redundant router instead). For the second class, though, the faster the better(especially since embedded systems often don't have any good way of signalling progress to the outside world, they are either visibly working or not, and having no progress indicator makes waits seem much longer).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Depends on the type of embedded device , I suspect .
In extremely broad terms , there is " embedded " as in " essentially always on " which covers things like routers , NAS boxes , LOM cards , and watches ; and " embedded " as in " should turn on and off as fast as the device it is embedded in " which covers things like TV electronic program guide systems , car engine computers , and the like .
The line between the two can be rather blurry ( my cellphone is on most of the day , to receive work calls ; but waiting 40ish seconds when I just need a single phone number after hours annoys me , so it could fall in either category .
And computers fall in one or the other largely depending on how you use them ) ; but , depending on your taste , you can come up with one .
For the first class ; boot time is n't a giant deal .
All else being equal , I 'd rather have my router reboot in 2 seconds rather than 90 seconds ; but I would n't pay much money for such a feature ( and the sort of people who would pay any nontrivial amount would likely be better off with a redundant router instead ) .
For the second class , though , the faster the better ( especially since embedded systems often do n't have any good way of signalling progress to the outside world , they are either visibly working or not , and having no progress indicator makes waits seem much longer ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Depends on the type of embedded device, I suspect.
In extremely broad terms, there is "embedded" as in "essentially always on" which covers things like routers, NAS boxes, LOM cards, and watches; and "embedded" as in "should turn on and off as fast as the device it is embedded in" which covers things like TV electronic program guide systems, car engine computers, and the like.
The line between the two can be rather blurry(my cellphone is on most of the day, to receive work calls; but waiting 40ish seconds when I just need a single phone number after hours annoys me, so it could fall in either category.
And computers fall in one or the other largely depending on how you use them); but, depending on your taste, you can come up with one.
For the first class; boot time isn't a giant deal.
All else being equal, I'd rather have my router reboot in 2 seconds rather than 90 seconds; but I wouldn't pay much money for such a feature(and the sort of people who would pay any nontrivial amount would likely be better off with a redundant router instead).
For the second class, though, the faster the better(especially since embedded systems often don't have any good way of signalling progress to the outside world, they are either visibly working or not, and having no progress indicator makes waits seem much longer).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706291</id>
	<title>Awesome!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247686080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is such a step forward for Linux! Now that they have it working, the coders can optimize it and backport it to other platforms! This is just the beginning of something amazing for Open Source. I'll try to integrate the changes on my quad core C2D--it takes 29 seconds to boot right now. GO LINX!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is such a step forward for Linux !
Now that they have it working , the coders can optimize it and backport it to other platforms !
This is just the beginning of something amazing for Open Source .
I 'll try to integrate the changes on my quad core C2D--it takes 29 seconds to boot right now .
GO LINX ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is such a step forward for Linux!
Now that they have it working, the coders can optimize it and backport it to other platforms!
This is just the beginning of something amazing for Open Source.
I'll try to integrate the changes on my quad core C2D--it takes 29 seconds to boot right now.
GO LINX!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706683</id>
	<title>Re:Not needed</title>
	<author>Chabo</author>
	<datestamp>1247687880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't wait until I get a powerful desktop machine that has an idle power draw low enough that I'd get no noticeable benefit to my electric bill by turning the machine off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't wait until I get a powerful desktop machine that has an idle power draw low enough that I 'd get no noticeable benefit to my electric bill by turning the machine off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't wait until I get a powerful desktop machine that has an idle power draw low enough that I'd get no noticeable benefit to my electric bill by turning the machine off.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28707019</id>
	<title>Re:Surf internet in 1 second?</title>
	<author>Tubal-Cain</author>
	<datestamp>1247689260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/07/11/2012247" title="slashdot.org">Here</a> [slashdot.org]. Though the latency and bandwidth suck.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here [ slashdot.org ] .
Though the latency and bandwidth suck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here [slashdot.org].
Though the latency and bandwidth suck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706759</id>
	<title>Re:Not needed</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1247688180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It wasn't done for desktop machines and servers. It was meant for embedded devices. Think pocket mp3 players and industrial control devices.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was n't done for desktop machines and servers .
It was meant for embedded devices .
Think pocket mp3 players and industrial control devices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It wasn't done for desktop machines and servers.
It was meant for embedded devices.
Think pocket mp3 players and industrial control devices.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28707153</id>
	<title>Re:Does it matter all that much?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247689980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It really depends on what the particular Linux computer is embedded in.  As some have said, a phone that takes forever to boot up is frustrating.  When it comes to an appliance that's left on most of the time, boot times are less important.  But consider an embedded computer in a modern airplane.  If you're having a catastrophic failure that makes a critical computer reboot, the time it takes to come back up can literally be the difference between life and death.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It really depends on what the particular Linux computer is embedded in .
As some have said , a phone that takes forever to boot up is frustrating .
When it comes to an appliance that 's left on most of the time , boot times are less important .
But consider an embedded computer in a modern airplane .
If you 're having a catastrophic failure that makes a critical computer reboot , the time it takes to come back up can literally be the difference between life and death .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It really depends on what the particular Linux computer is embedded in.
As some have said, a phone that takes forever to boot up is frustrating.
When it comes to an appliance that's left on most of the time, boot times are less important.
But consider an embedded computer in a modern airplane.
If you're having a catastrophic failure that makes a critical computer reboot, the time it takes to come back up can literally be the difference between life and death.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28716781</id>
	<title>What I want for Christmas...</title>
	<author>RogueWarrior65</author>
	<datestamp>1247759220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is great but I also want a completely power-loss tolerant file system that doesn't need any fscking on restart.  If I'm building a true Linux-based appliance, not a general purpose computer, laptop or netbook, basic criteria would be fast boot and the ability to turn it off by disconnecting the power without telling it to shut down gracefully.  Basic toggle switch control and no fancy hardware to keep power available while it's shutting down.  This would be battery powered and an end-user should be able to pull the batteries and put in new ones without ill effects.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is great but I also want a completely power-loss tolerant file system that does n't need any fscking on restart .
If I 'm building a true Linux-based appliance , not a general purpose computer , laptop or netbook , basic criteria would be fast boot and the ability to turn it off by disconnecting the power without telling it to shut down gracefully .
Basic toggle switch control and no fancy hardware to keep power available while it 's shutting down .
This would be battery powered and an end-user should be able to pull the batteries and put in new ones without ill effects .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is great but I also want a completely power-loss tolerant file system that doesn't need any fscking on restart.
If I'm building a true Linux-based appliance, not a general purpose computer, laptop or netbook, basic criteria would be fast boot and the ability to turn it off by disconnecting the power without telling it to shut down gracefully.
Basic toggle switch control and no fancy hardware to keep power available while it's shutting down.
This would be battery powered and an end-user should be able to pull the batteries and put in new ones without ill effects.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706285</id>
	<title>Nice text color</title>
	<author>lpcustom</author>
	<datestamp>1247686020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That site should just switch to white text. It's like everyone keeps going a shade lighter. Apparently they are racist and have something against black.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That site should just switch to white text .
It 's like everyone keeps going a shade lighter .
Apparently they are racist and have something against black .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That site should just switch to white text.
It's like everyone keeps going a shade lighter.
Apparently they are racist and have something against black.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28718915</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247767020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"real-time patches"? Do you know what real-time in CS actually means? Starting up fast has nothing to do with the definition of RT.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" real-time patches " ?
Do you know what real-time in CS actually means ?
Starting up fast has nothing to do with the definition of RT .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"real-time patches"?
Do you know what real-time in CS actually means?
Starting up fast has nothing to do with the definition of RT.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706307</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28708927</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>snadrus</author>
	<datestamp>1247655360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Try something other then Gentoo. Redhat or Ubuntu 9.10 alpha comes to mind.
<br>
They focus on boot time &amp; have Upstart replace tricky shell-script-based startup with dependency graphs. (Think MS Project for Startup)
<br>
Other things that help boot time on Desktop Linux (in Ubuntu 9.10 alpha):<br>
- Grub2 <br>
- starting X "early" (to parallel the video card work with the system boot)<br>
- Not starting the screensaver until the it's time to show it <br>
- Not starting Gnome accessibility if it's not enabled (Gentoo may have this one, as it's package-specific)<br>
- The latest Kernel does threaded device probing<br>
- "Likely" kernel modules compiled in (pci, pcspkr, ide, usb, etc) to avoid kernel locks before the root filesystem mounts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Try something other then Gentoo .
Redhat or Ubuntu 9.10 alpha comes to mind .
They focus on boot time &amp; have Upstart replace tricky shell-script-based startup with dependency graphs .
( Think MS Project for Startup ) Other things that help boot time on Desktop Linux ( in Ubuntu 9.10 alpha ) : - Grub2 - starting X " early " ( to parallel the video card work with the system boot ) - Not starting the screensaver until the it 's time to show it - Not starting Gnome accessibility if it 's not enabled ( Gentoo may have this one , as it 's package-specific ) - The latest Kernel does threaded device probing - " Likely " kernel modules compiled in ( pci , pcspkr , ide , usb , etc ) to avoid kernel locks before the root filesystem mounts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Try something other then Gentoo.
Redhat or Ubuntu 9.10 alpha comes to mind.
They focus on boot time &amp; have Upstart replace tricky shell-script-based startup with dependency graphs.
(Think MS Project for Startup)

Other things that help boot time on Desktop Linux (in Ubuntu 9.10 alpha):
- Grub2 
- starting X "early" (to parallel the video card work with the system boot)
- Not starting the screensaver until the it's time to show it 
- Not starting Gnome accessibility if it's not enabled (Gentoo may have this one, as it's package-specific)
- The latest Kernel does threaded device probing
- "Likely" kernel modules compiled in (pci, pcspkr, ide, usb, etc) to avoid kernel locks before the root filesystem mounts.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706941</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706941</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>HeronBlademaster</author>
	<datestamp>1247688960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The BIOS isn't always the problem... if it takes three seconds for the video card to become usable (fans running, memory initialized, etc), you're not going to get less than a three-second perceived boot time, no matter how fast you make everything else happen.  The same goes for other hardware.  If they happen in series (or worse, if they <i>have</i> to happen in series), then that can add up - that can be mitigated by the BIOS, of course, but I can see why boot times might get longer.</p><p>I've also heard that it can take a few seconds for modern CPUs just to stabilize to a usable state when they're powered on.  This may or may not be true; I'm not a hardware engineer.  However, if it is true, then between this and other hardware initialization time we may not ever see sub-ten-second boot times.</p><p>I'd settle for a sub-60-second boot time... and I'm running the latest and greatest (i7 920, 12GB RAM, GTX 285...), so discounting hardware initialization time, the hardware is certainly *capable* of quick boot times.  As it is, my computer takes nearly two minutes to get to a logon screen (whether that's Gentoo or Windows 7).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The BIOS is n't always the problem... if it takes three seconds for the video card to become usable ( fans running , memory initialized , etc ) , you 're not going to get less than a three-second perceived boot time , no matter how fast you make everything else happen .
The same goes for other hardware .
If they happen in series ( or worse , if they have to happen in series ) , then that can add up - that can be mitigated by the BIOS , of course , but I can see why boot times might get longer.I 've also heard that it can take a few seconds for modern CPUs just to stabilize to a usable state when they 're powered on .
This may or may not be true ; I 'm not a hardware engineer .
However , if it is true , then between this and other hardware initialization time we may not ever see sub-ten-second boot times.I 'd settle for a sub-60-second boot time... and I 'm running the latest and greatest ( i7 920 , 12GB RAM , GTX 285... ) , so discounting hardware initialization time , the hardware is certainly * capable * of quick boot times .
As it is , my computer takes nearly two minutes to get to a logon screen ( whether that 's Gentoo or Windows 7 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The BIOS isn't always the problem... if it takes three seconds for the video card to become usable (fans running, memory initialized, etc), you're not going to get less than a three-second perceived boot time, no matter how fast you make everything else happen.
The same goes for other hardware.
If they happen in series (or worse, if they have to happen in series), then that can add up - that can be mitigated by the BIOS, of course, but I can see why boot times might get longer.I've also heard that it can take a few seconds for modern CPUs just to stabilize to a usable state when they're powered on.
This may or may not be true; I'm not a hardware engineer.
However, if it is true, then between this and other hardware initialization time we may not ever see sub-ten-second boot times.I'd settle for a sub-60-second boot time... and I'm running the latest and greatest (i7 920, 12GB RAM, GTX 285...), so discounting hardware initialization time, the hardware is certainly *capable* of quick boot times.
As it is, my computer takes nearly two minutes to get to a logon screen (whether that's Gentoo or Windows 7).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706429</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706479</id>
	<title>Direct link to MontaVista Video on YouTube</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247687040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The video was hard to find on the given links. One of them even had the audacity to ask me to <em>log in</em> to view it. Yeah, as if.</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l\_DSZe8\_F8" title="youtube.com">One Second Linux Boot Demonstration (new version)</a> [youtube.com]</p><p>Also, kudos on the music choice. The wah-wah pedal in the opening music really gives the tech demo that "porn soundtrack" feel I know you were going for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The video was hard to find on the given links .
One of them even had the audacity to ask me to log in to view it .
Yeah , as if.One Second Linux Boot Demonstration ( new version ) [ youtube.com ] Also , kudos on the music choice .
The wah-wah pedal in the opening music really gives the tech demo that " porn soundtrack " feel I know you were going for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The video was hard to find on the given links.
One of them even had the audacity to ask me to log in to view it.
Yeah, as if.One Second Linux Boot Demonstration (new version) [youtube.com]Also, kudos on the music choice.
The wah-wah pedal in the opening music really gives the tech demo that "porn soundtrack" feel I know you were going for.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706823</id>
	<title>Re:Windows 7 And OS X both do this already.</title>
	<author>jedidiah</author>
	<datestamp>1247688420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If XP is supposed to be how power management is done, I will pass.</p><p>It's faster to just reboot the box into Linux.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If XP is supposed to be how power management is done , I will pass.It 's faster to just reboot the box into Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If XP is supposed to be how power management is done, I will pass.It's faster to just reboot the box into Linux.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706513</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706921</id>
	<title>Re:Windows 7 And OS X both do this already.</title>
	<author>gigabites2</author>
	<datestamp>1247688900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know about everyone else, but my Kubuntu installation suspends/sleeps perfectly. The Windows 7 RC installation on the other hand... Yeah, yeah; something about anecdotes meaning nothing in the grand scheme of things.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about everyone else , but my Kubuntu installation suspends/sleeps perfectly .
The Windows 7 RC installation on the other hand... Yeah , yeah ; something about anecdotes meaning nothing in the grand scheme of things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about everyone else, but my Kubuntu installation suspends/sleeps perfectly.
The Windows 7 RC installation on the other hand... Yeah, yeah; something about anecdotes meaning nothing in the grand scheme of things.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706513</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706469</id>
	<title>Linux makes airplanes faster</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247686980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This will speed up all those security checks at airports where people have to boot their laptops.</p><p>Of course it will be years before this technology actually gets there. I just liked the subject line.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This will speed up all those security checks at airports where people have to boot their laptops.Of course it will be years before this technology actually gets there .
I just liked the subject line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This will speed up all those security checks at airports where people have to boot their laptops.Of course it will be years before this technology actually gets there.
I just liked the subject line.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28707835</id>
	<title>Re:Nice text color</title>
	<author>Teun</author>
	<datestamp>1247649960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>What are you talking about? On my monitor his site is shown with the same amber colour like any other.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What are you talking about ?
On my monitor his site is shown with the same amber colour like any other .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What are you talking about?
On my monitor his site is shown with the same amber colour like any other.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706285</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28713643</id>
	<title>Re:Does it matter all that much?</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1247776740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What if you're carrying a laptop on a trip where you won't have a power socket for a long time and you want to conserve energy? Hibernate isn't 100\% effective.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What if you 're carrying a laptop on a trip where you wo n't have a power socket for a long time and you want to conserve energy ?
Hibernate is n't 100 \ % effective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if you're carrying a laptop on a trip where you won't have a power socket for a long time and you want to conserve energy?
Hibernate isn't 100\% effective.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706369</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28710381</id>
	<title>Re:Not needed As for me...</title>
	<author>davidsyes</author>
	<datestamp>1247662380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I only RECENTLY (as in, say after Dec 2008) began to enjoy fully functional suspend to RAM on my laptop, partly IIRC, with PCLOS, and then Mandriva 2009.0 and currently with 2009.1. However, if i yank the USB broadband device out, I get streams of IOCTL and other errors, KPPP, and pppd won't die, even when as root i try to kill them, and reinserting the device doesn't satisfy it. On suspend attempts, i get to the BLACK display, then the backlight resumes, then i get "Resuming tasks". I end up having to reboot.</p><p>Point? If some devices hose up the system, rebooting will be necessary, so instant on is (for some here, but not necessarily me, hehehe) better than sex. Sex is ZERO, but rebooting in near-zero is nervvv..hahahaahh...nah....</p><p>It would be nice if the mobo's contained chips that would allow the owners to load their OS of choice into, and then powering on is just a split second of waiting. It would be nice if Runlevel 1 actually purged 100\% of any hosed up<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/dev connections and a full reboot weren't necessary. But, it's nice to have my laptop behave for 28 or 29 days without rebooting. I don't need 6 months or a year -- I'm not THAT demanding.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I only RECENTLY ( as in , say after Dec 2008 ) began to enjoy fully functional suspend to RAM on my laptop , partly IIRC , with PCLOS , and then Mandriva 2009.0 and currently with 2009.1 .
However , if i yank the USB broadband device out , I get streams of IOCTL and other errors , KPPP , and pppd wo n't die , even when as root i try to kill them , and reinserting the device does n't satisfy it .
On suspend attempts , i get to the BLACK display , then the backlight resumes , then i get " Resuming tasks " .
I end up having to reboot.Point ?
If some devices hose up the system , rebooting will be necessary , so instant on is ( for some here , but not necessarily me , hehehe ) better than sex .
Sex is ZERO , but rebooting in near-zero is nervvv..hahahaahh...nah....It would be nice if the mobo 's contained chips that would allow the owners to load their OS of choice into , and then powering on is just a split second of waiting .
It would be nice if Runlevel 1 actually purged 100 \ % of any hosed up /dev connections and a full reboot were n't necessary .
But , it 's nice to have my laptop behave for 28 or 29 days without rebooting .
I do n't need 6 months or a year -- I 'm not THAT demanding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I only RECENTLY (as in, say after Dec 2008) began to enjoy fully functional suspend to RAM on my laptop, partly IIRC, with PCLOS, and then Mandriva 2009.0 and currently with 2009.1.
However, if i yank the USB broadband device out, I get streams of IOCTL and other errors, KPPP, and pppd won't die, even when as root i try to kill them, and reinserting the device doesn't satisfy it.
On suspend attempts, i get to the BLACK display, then the backlight resumes, then i get "Resuming tasks".
I end up having to reboot.Point?
If some devices hose up the system, rebooting will be necessary, so instant on is (for some here, but not necessarily me, hehehe) better than sex.
Sex is ZERO, but rebooting in near-zero is nervvv..hahahaahh...nah....It would be nice if the mobo's contained chips that would allow the owners to load their OS of choice into, and then powering on is just a split second of waiting.
It would be nice if Runlevel 1 actually purged 100\% of any hosed up /dev connections and a full reboot weren't necessary.
But, it's nice to have my laptop behave for 28 or 29 days without rebooting.
I don't need 6 months or a year -- I'm not THAT demanding.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706443</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28723397</id>
	<title>Read TFA, but...</title>
	<author>Bootarn</author>
	<datestamp>1247741760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...the marketspeak made my ears bleed. The word "kernel" was mentioned *once* in the article linked to by the second link.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...the marketspeak made my ears bleed .
The word " kernel " was mentioned * once * in the article linked to by the second link .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...the marketspeak made my ears bleed.
The word "kernel" was mentioned *once* in the article linked to by the second link.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28710507</id>
	<title>Re:Does it matter all that much?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247662980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Problems with Linux not able to recover from hibernation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Problems with Linux not able to recover from hibernation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Problems with Linux not able to recover from hibernation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706369</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28711301</id>
	<title>Re:Does it matter all that much?</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1247668740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Okay, I haven't been using desktop Linux on a day to day basis since around 2003; but even then, sleeping and hibernating worked reasonably well</p></div><p>It doesn't for everyone, in part because several notable hardware makers decline to cooperate with the developers of Linux and the developers of user-space driver frameworks designed to run on Linux.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , I have n't been using desktop Linux on a day to day basis since around 2003 ; but even then , sleeping and hibernating worked reasonably wellIt does n't for everyone , in part because several notable hardware makers decline to cooperate with the developers of Linux and the developers of user-space driver frameworks designed to run on Linux .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, I haven't been using desktop Linux on a day to day basis since around 2003; but even then, sleeping and hibernating worked reasonably wellIt doesn't for everyone, in part because several notable hardware makers decline to cooperate with the developers of Linux and the developers of user-space driver frameworks designed to run on Linux.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706369</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706411</id>
	<title>Re:Not needed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247686680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A computer sitting idle needlessly consumes power. A computer switched off doesn't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A computer sitting idle needlessly consumes power .
A computer switched off does n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A computer sitting idle needlessly consumes power.
A computer switched off doesn't.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706343</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28707189</id>
	<title>i wanna see!</title>
	<author>FudRucker</author>
	<datestamp>1247690220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i want to see what the kernel<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.config and rc.xxx files that load at boot time look like</htmltext>
<tokenext>i want to see what the kernel .config and rc.xxx files that load at boot time look like</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i want to see what the kernel .config and rc.xxx files that load at boot time look like</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28707905</id>
	<title>Canon Cameras</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247650260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just curious what's in my Canon camera. It also boots in a very short time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just curious what 's in my Canon camera .
It also boots in a very short time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just curious what's in my Canon camera.
It also boots in a very short time.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28707165</id>
	<title>Re:Surf internet in 1 second?</title>
	<author>HeronBlademaster</author>
	<datestamp>1247690100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That might be kinda hard, considering that in my experience it takes no less than five seconds, and sometimes as long as twenty seconds, for the wireless card to complete a connection with the router, especially if there's encryption involved.</p><p>You're also assuming that latency is trivial.  That's probably an invalid assumption in the most common use case for the sort of machine where this would be useful (i.e. netbooks getting online via 3G or similar).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That might be kinda hard , considering that in my experience it takes no less than five seconds , and sometimes as long as twenty seconds , for the wireless card to complete a connection with the router , especially if there 's encryption involved.You 're also assuming that latency is trivial .
That 's probably an invalid assumption in the most common use case for the sort of machine where this would be useful ( i.e .
netbooks getting online via 3G or similar ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That might be kinda hard, considering that in my experience it takes no less than five seconds, and sometimes as long as twenty seconds, for the wireless card to complete a connection with the router, especially if there's encryption involved.You're also assuming that latency is trivial.
That's probably an invalid assumption in the most common use case for the sort of machine where this would be useful (i.e.
netbooks getting online via 3G or similar).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706467</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28709629</id>
	<title>Re:It's 1980 all over again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247658360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DX was 33 MHz, DX2 was 66 MHz or 50 (if you had 25 x2).  AMD later came out with DX4 in 100 Mhz and 133 Mhz versions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DX was 33 MHz , DX2 was 66 MHz or 50 ( if you had 25 x2 ) .
AMD later came out with DX4 in 100 Mhz and 133 Mhz versions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DX was 33 MHz, DX2 was 66 MHz or 50 (if you had 25 x2).
AMD later came out with DX4 in 100 Mhz and 133 Mhz versions.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28707007</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706715</id>
	<title>Moblin</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247688000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, Moblin, who boots the fastest, NOW?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , Moblin , who boots the fastest , NOW ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, Moblin, who boots the fastest, NOW?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28707657</id>
	<title>Re:Not needed</title>
	<author>je ne sais quoi</author>
	<datestamp>1247649180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even desktop users who use linux often have to dual boot into windows.  Sometimes virtual machines or wine is good enough for what you want, but for something like games or software that couples closely to hardware (e.g. AnyDVD or most games), this doesn't work.  Having a faster boot on linux makes switching between OSes nicer.  On my machine my Debian it's already faster than Vista (I forgot by how much, I'll have to remeasure it), and that's including running some slow services at startup for linux like uploading firmware for an HD card and starting the smartd.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even desktop users who use linux often have to dual boot into windows .
Sometimes virtual machines or wine is good enough for what you want , but for something like games or software that couples closely to hardware ( e.g .
AnyDVD or most games ) , this does n't work .
Having a faster boot on linux makes switching between OSes nicer .
On my machine my Debian it 's already faster than Vista ( I forgot by how much , I 'll have to remeasure it ) , and that 's including running some slow services at startup for linux like uploading firmware for an HD card and starting the smartd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even desktop users who use linux often have to dual boot into windows.
Sometimes virtual machines or wine is good enough for what you want, but for something like games or software that couples closely to hardware (e.g.
AnyDVD or most games), this doesn't work.
Having a faster boot on linux makes switching between OSes nicer.
On my machine my Debian it's already faster than Vista (I forgot by how much, I'll have to remeasure it), and that's including running some slow services at startup for linux like uploading firmware for an HD card and starting the smartd.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706443</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706513</id>
	<title>Windows 7 And OS X both do this already.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247687160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's called SLEEP, and the two properly written operating systems do it perfectly every time.  As usual, Linux (the open source operating system for losers) cannot do even the most basic things properly.</p><p>Open Source FAIL.<br>Closed Source FTW!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's called SLEEP , and the two properly written operating systems do it perfectly every time .
As usual , Linux ( the open source operating system for losers ) can not do even the most basic things properly.Open Source FAIL.Closed Source FTW !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's called SLEEP, and the two properly written operating systems do it perfectly every time.
As usual, Linux (the open source operating system for losers) cannot do even the most basic things properly.Open Source FAIL.Closed Source FTW!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706477</id>
	<title>Re:Nice text color</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1247686980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They just want to simulate the effect of printing marketing materials on a worn-out laser printer in need of toner because that looks sooooo professional.</p><p>Nothing says we're professionals and have important information for you like a crooked illegible photocopy except perhaps a grade-school spirit duplicator. Expect funky light purple text next. The holy grail, of course, will be a wrinkled paper background that actually makes it look like they dug the web page back out of the trash and gave it to you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They just want to simulate the effect of printing marketing materials on a worn-out laser printer in need of toner because that looks sooooo professional.Nothing says we 're professionals and have important information for you like a crooked illegible photocopy except perhaps a grade-school spirit duplicator .
Expect funky light purple text next .
The holy grail , of course , will be a wrinkled paper background that actually makes it look like they dug the web page back out of the trash and gave it to you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They just want to simulate the effect of printing marketing materials on a worn-out laser printer in need of toner because that looks sooooo professional.Nothing says we're professionals and have important information for you like a crooked illegible photocopy except perhaps a grade-school spirit duplicator.
Expect funky light purple text next.
The holy grail, of course, will be a wrinkled paper background that actually makes it look like they dug the web page back out of the trash and gave it to you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706285</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28722223</id>
	<title>Re:Been there, done that, really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247736540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It wasn't clear whether that included just the kernel? or kernel + GUI application like MontaVista is claiming here on the YouTube vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l\_DSZe8\_F8</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was n't clear whether that included just the kernel ?
or kernel + GUI application like MontaVista is claiming here on the YouTube vid : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = -l \ _DSZe8 \ _F8</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It wasn't clear whether that included just the kernel?
or kernel + GUI application like MontaVista is claiming here on the YouTube vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l\_DSZe8\_F8</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706311</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28710833</id>
	<title>Re:Been there, done that</title>
	<author>jorghis</author>
	<datestamp>1247665140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is not news.  I work for an embedded software company and we have operating systems that boot in well under a second.  Its not a big deal.  Really.  Its just a pleasant side effect of the fact that a lot of embedded operating systems don't really have to do a whole lot on boot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is not news .
I work for an embedded software company and we have operating systems that boot in well under a second .
Its not a big deal .
Really. Its just a pleasant side effect of the fact that a lot of embedded operating systems do n't really have to do a whole lot on boot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is not news.
I work for an embedded software company and we have operating systems that boot in well under a second.
Its not a big deal.
Really.  Its just a pleasant side effect of the fact that a lot of embedded operating systems don't really have to do a whole lot on boot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706311</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28709413</id>
	<title>Re:Been there, done that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247657340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Virtual Freescale Technology Forum" should be renamed "Virtual GREYSCALE Technology Forum" - the grey text from hell appears on their website, suitably surrounded by bloody GREY boxes and the like. When will arrogant dickhead web designers get it into their thick skulls that most people don't want to read grey text on white backgrounds?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Virtual Freescale Technology Forum " should be renamed " Virtual GREYSCALE Technology Forum " - the grey text from hell appears on their website , suitably surrounded by bloody GREY boxes and the like .
When will arrogant dickhead web designers get it into their thick skulls that most people do n't want to read grey text on white backgrounds ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Virtual Freescale Technology Forum" should be renamed "Virtual GREYSCALE Technology Forum" - the grey text from hell appears on their website, suitably surrounded by bloody GREY boxes and the like.
When will arrogant dickhead web designers get it into their thick skulls that most people don't want to read grey text on white backgrounds?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706311</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706467</id>
	<title>Surf internet in 1 second?</title>
	<author>odin84gk</author>
	<datestamp>1247686980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Give me a call when they can go from off to Google in less than 1 second. (OS boot, wireless initialization, browser start, google reply). Shoot, I would be impressed with 10 seconds.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Give me a call when they can go from off to Google in less than 1 second .
( OS boot , wireless initialization , browser start , google reply ) .
Shoot , I would be impressed with 10 seconds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give me a call when they can go from off to Google in less than 1 second.
(OS boot, wireless initialization, browser start, google reply).
Shoot, I would be impressed with 10 seconds.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706443</id>
	<title>Re:Not needed</title>
	<author>Abreu</author>
	<datestamp>1247686800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'll bite.</p><p>Some of us want to run laptops, netbooks and other devices where the ability to <em>shut down completely and then turn on quickly, using zero battery in the meantime</em> would be very useful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll bite.Some of us want to run laptops , netbooks and other devices where the ability to shut down completely and then turn on quickly , using zero battery in the meantime would be very useful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll bite.Some of us want to run laptops, netbooks and other devices where the ability to shut down completely and then turn on quickly, using zero battery in the meantime would be very useful.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706343</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28709561</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>thatkid\_2002</author>
	<datestamp>1247658000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While your point about the video card is interesting and seems correct, I cannot help wondering why you do not get a sub 30 second boot time on both Windows 7 AND especially Gentoo.</p><p>I have hardware only half as powerful and under half of the amount of RAM you have, and I easily achieve these with just about any distro (I regularly run a pretty heavy Fedora install). My old 1.4GHz 512MB RAM laptop boots Debian to X in under 40 seconds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While your point about the video card is interesting and seems correct , I can not help wondering why you do not get a sub 30 second boot time on both Windows 7 AND especially Gentoo.I have hardware only half as powerful and under half of the amount of RAM you have , and I easily achieve these with just about any distro ( I regularly run a pretty heavy Fedora install ) .
My old 1.4GHz 512MB RAM laptop boots Debian to X in under 40 seconds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While your point about the video card is interesting and seems correct, I cannot help wondering why you do not get a sub 30 second boot time on both Windows 7 AND especially Gentoo.I have hardware only half as powerful and under half of the amount of RAM you have, and I easily achieve these with just about any distro (I regularly run a pretty heavy Fedora install).
My old 1.4GHz 512MB RAM laptop boots Debian to X in under 40 seconds.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706941</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706369</id>
	<title>Does it matter all that much?</title>
	<author>93 Escort Wagon</author>
	<datestamp>1247686440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay, I haven't been using desktop Linux on a day to day basis since around 2003; but even then, sleeping and hibernating worked reasonably well - so I didn't reboot all that often. On my Mac, the only time I reboot is when an update forces me to. So (serious question) why is faster boot times all that important? I wouldn't think devices w/ embedded Linux would shut down regularly, but maybe I'm wrong...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , I have n't been using desktop Linux on a day to day basis since around 2003 ; but even then , sleeping and hibernating worked reasonably well - so I did n't reboot all that often .
On my Mac , the only time I reboot is when an update forces me to .
So ( serious question ) why is faster boot times all that important ?
I would n't think devices w/ embedded Linux would shut down regularly , but maybe I 'm wrong.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, I haven't been using desktop Linux on a day to day basis since around 2003; but even then, sleeping and hibernating worked reasonably well - so I didn't reboot all that often.
On my Mac, the only time I reboot is when an update forces me to.
So (serious question) why is faster boot times all that important?
I wouldn't think devices w/ embedded Linux would shut down regularly, but maybe I'm wrong...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28720581</id>
	<title>Re:It's 1980 all over again</title>
	<author>DocSavage64109</author>
	<datestamp>1247773140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not only that, but Win 3.1 took about<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.2 seconds to load from a dos prompt on my old pentium 90.  I'd be afraid to see the machine that took 2 minutes to boot Win 3.1!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not only that , but Win 3.1 took about .2 seconds to load from a dos prompt on my old pentium 90 .
I 'd be afraid to see the machine that took 2 minutes to boot Win 3.1 !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not only that, but Win 3.1 took about .2 seconds to load from a dos prompt on my old pentium 90.
I'd be afraid to see the machine that took 2 minutes to boot Win 3.1!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28707007</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28712189</id>
	<title>realtime?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247675700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'real time' patches have nothing to do with boot time.</p><p>Real time is after the machine has booted.</p><p>If someone doesn't know anything about a subject, but<br>is a marketting person, they can still publish an article here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'real time ' patches have nothing to do with boot time.Real time is after the machine has booted.If someone does n't know anything about a subject , butis a marketting person , they can still publish an article here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'real time' patches have nothing to do with boot time.Real time is after the machine has booted.If someone doesn't know anything about a subject, butis a marketting person, they can still publish an article here.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706707</id>
	<title>Re:Surf internet in 1 second?</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1247687940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My gaming workstation at home goes from off to Windows XP desktop in 9 seconds.  Minimal POST, no pagefile, auto-login, 4-HDDs striped, yadda yadda.  If I put FF in the startup folder, your 10 second requirement would be met.  Of course, it's a bad disk just waiting to happen, but it loads games faster than my wii or xbox.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My gaming workstation at home goes from off to Windows XP desktop in 9 seconds .
Minimal POST , no pagefile , auto-login , 4-HDDs striped , yadda yadda .
If I put FF in the startup folder , your 10 second requirement would be met .
Of course , it 's a bad disk just waiting to happen , but it loads games faster than my wii or xbox .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My gaming workstation at home goes from off to Windows XP desktop in 9 seconds.
Minimal POST, no pagefile, auto-login, 4-HDDs striped, yadda yadda.
If I put FF in the startup folder, your 10 second requirement would be met.
Of course, it's a bad disk just waiting to happen, but it loads games faster than my wii or xbox.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706467</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706311</id>
	<title>Been there, done that</title>
	<author>alain94040</author>
	<datestamp>1247686140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm surprised that this is news. I remember working a few years ago on booting Linux (also the MontaVista version) in 600 million cycles flat, which for a CPU running at 600 MHz, is exactly one second as well.</p><p>You can even still: <a href="http://www.eve-team.com/demos/linux-boot-demo.php" title="eve-team.com"> watch a video of this here </a> [eve-team.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised that this is news .
I remember working a few years ago on booting Linux ( also the MontaVista version ) in 600 million cycles flat , which for a CPU running at 600 MHz , is exactly one second as well.You can even still : watch a video of this here [ eve-team.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised that this is news.
I remember working a few years ago on booting Linux (also the MontaVista version) in 600 million cycles flat, which for a CPU running at 600 MHz, is exactly one second as well.You can even still:  watch a video of this here  [eve-team.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28707023</id>
	<title>Re:It's 1980 all over again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247689320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>FACT NAZI Observation:
The 486DX came in 20, 25, 33 or if you were unlucky 50Mhz variants.  Consequently a clock doubled (DX2) 486 was not capable of anything close to 266Mhz.  That wasn't achieved until the Tillamook-Pentium much later.</htmltext>
<tokenext>FACT NAZI Observation : The 486DX came in 20 , 25 , 33 or if you were unlucky 50Mhz variants .
Consequently a clock doubled ( DX2 ) 486 was not capable of anything close to 266Mhz .
That was n't achieved until the Tillamook-Pentium much later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FACT NAZI Observation:
The 486DX came in 20, 25, 33 or if you were unlucky 50Mhz variants.
Consequently a clock doubled (DX2) 486 was not capable of anything close to 266Mhz.
That wasn't achieved until the Tillamook-Pentium much later.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706317</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28710309</id>
	<title>Re:It's 1980 all over again Maybe that "Lexus" was</title>
	<author>davidsyes</author>
	<datestamp>1247661960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Too expensive to drive (out of the corner)? (Perception is EVERYthing, hehehehe...)...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Too expensive to drive ( out of the corner ) ?
( Perception is EVERYthing , hehehehe... ) .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too expensive to drive (out of the corner)?
(Perception is EVERYthing, hehehehe...)...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706317</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706777</id>
	<title>Re:It's 1980 all over again</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1247688300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wonder how much of the boot slowdown has to do with architectural change(loading from slow disk to plentiful RAM vs. small amount of RAM and lots of stuff burned into ROM, the rise of networking as a more or less assumed part of the boot process, increase in the number of highly complex peripherals that need to be negotiated with), and how much has to do with the OS gradually grabbing more of what applications historically had to do(DOS loaded like the wind; but didn't actually load very much).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how much of the boot slowdown has to do with architectural change ( loading from slow disk to plentiful RAM vs. small amount of RAM and lots of stuff burned into ROM , the rise of networking as a more or less assumed part of the boot process , increase in the number of highly complex peripherals that need to be negotiated with ) , and how much has to do with the OS gradually grabbing more of what applications historically had to do ( DOS loaded like the wind ; but did n't actually load very much ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how much of the boot slowdown has to do with architectural change(loading from slow disk to plentiful RAM vs. small amount of RAM and lots of stuff burned into ROM, the rise of networking as a more or less assumed part of the boot process, increase in the number of highly complex peripherals that need to be negotiated with), and how much has to do with the OS gradually grabbing more of what applications historically had to do(DOS loaded like the wind; but didn't actually load very much).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706317</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28711433</id>
	<title>Re:Completely overrated and someone else did it fi</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247669760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>U-Boot in most of the platforms I dealt with for ARM never bothered to: enable the MMU, and therefore the d-cache was never enabled. This fix was quite easy, although I never bothered to send a patch upstream. I guess using the d-cache works like a type of streaming.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>decompress your kernel (it'd be faster if your kernel wasn't compressed too wouldn't it?)..</p></div><p>Depends on the kernel and the memory technology really. In the case of NOR flash, even Intel's synchronous Strataflash, it was almost always faster to decompress and boot on most builds. I wrote a hand tuned LZO decompressor for ARM a while back for this very purpose.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>U-Boot in most of the platforms I dealt with for ARM never bothered to : enable the MMU , and therefore the d-cache was never enabled .
This fix was quite easy , although I never bothered to send a patch upstream .
I guess using the d-cache works like a type of streaming.decompress your kernel ( it 'd be faster if your kernel was n't compressed too would n't it ?
) ..Depends on the kernel and the memory technology really .
In the case of NOR flash , even Intel 's synchronous Strataflash , it was almost always faster to decompress and boot on most builds .
I wrote a hand tuned LZO decompressor for ARM a while back for this very purpose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>U-Boot in most of the platforms I dealt with for ARM never bothered to: enable the MMU, and therefore the d-cache was never enabled.
This fix was quite easy, although I never bothered to send a patch upstream.
I guess using the d-cache works like a type of streaming.decompress your kernel (it'd be faster if your kernel wasn't compressed too wouldn't it?
)..Depends on the kernel and the memory technology really.
In the case of NOR flash, even Intel's synchronous Strataflash, it was almost always faster to decompress and boot on most builds.
I wrote a hand tuned LZO decompressor for ARM a while back for this very purpose.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28707699</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706307</id>
	<title>Finally</title>
	<author>2names</author>
	<datestamp>1247686140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can post <i>before</i> I log in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can post before I log in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can post before I log in.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28707313</id>
	<title>Re:Surf internet in 1 second?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247690760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, but XP cheats. It sticks up the XP desktop, then wanders off to actually start up all the services required to actually do anything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , but XP cheats .
It sticks up the XP desktop , then wanders off to actually start up all the services required to actually do anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, but XP cheats.
It sticks up the XP desktop, then wanders off to actually start up all the services required to actually do anything.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706707</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706343</id>
	<title>Not needed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247686320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Linux has insane uptime. I can usually keep my box on indefinitely. I'll only turn it off when I accidentally pull out the cord when I'm reaching behind my desk or when I blow a fuse by running the microwave, toaster, and dishwasher at the same time.

Why have such a quick boot time when you hardly need to boot in the first place?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux has insane uptime .
I can usually keep my box on indefinitely .
I 'll only turn it off when I accidentally pull out the cord when I 'm reaching behind my desk or when I blow a fuse by running the microwave , toaster , and dishwasher at the same time .
Why have such a quick boot time when you hardly need to boot in the first place ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux has insane uptime.
I can usually keep my box on indefinitely.
I'll only turn it off when I accidentally pull out the cord when I'm reaching behind my desk or when I blow a fuse by running the microwave, toaster, and dishwasher at the same time.
Why have such a quick boot time when you hardly need to boot in the first place?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28708731</id>
	<title>Re:Does it matter all that much?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247654520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, you want your car's battery to work when you next start your car.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , you want your car 's battery to work when you next start your car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, you want your car's battery to work when you next start your car.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706369</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28709237</id>
	<title>Re:Does it matter all that much?</title>
	<author>elgaard</author>
	<datestamp>1247656500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can it wake up from sleeping and hibernating in a second?</p><p>If you have a full-disc encrypted computer you want to turn if off when you are not sitting in front of it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can it wake up from sleeping and hibernating in a second ? If you have a full-disc encrypted computer you want to turn if off when you are not sitting in front of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can it wake up from sleeping and hibernating in a second?If you have a full-disc encrypted computer you want to turn if off when you are not sitting in front of it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706369</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706557</id>
	<title>Re:Finally</title>
	<author>Vandilizer</author>
	<datestamp>1247687340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But my computer always POST before I can login...</htmltext>
<tokenext>But my computer always POST before I can login.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But my computer always POST before I can login...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706307</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28709949</id>
	<title>Re:Not needed</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1247660040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not needed? What about on mobile platforms?</p><p>Put a true embedded system in a car, for instance. While it's off, it uses zero power, but by the time you're backing up your driveway, it's already doing it's thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not needed ?
What about on mobile platforms ? Put a true embedded system in a car , for instance .
While it 's off , it uses zero power , but by the time you 're backing up your driveway , it 's already doing it 's thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not needed?
What about on mobile platforms?Put a true embedded system in a car, for instance.
While it's off, it uses zero power, but by the time you're backing up your driveway, it's already doing it's thing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28706343</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28712163</id>
	<title>Re:Completely overrated and someone else did it fi</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1247675520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All you have to do to gain the same benefits on your PC (besides throw away the BIOS and replace it with Coreboot) is compile the kernel for your system. There's no reason this can't be done on every system. Gentoo has proved that. Everyone compiles kernel modules on-demand these days... might as well recompile the kernel.</p><p>Now, if only kexec would work on more platforms... or for that matter, work reliably on x86.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All you have to do to gain the same benefits on your PC ( besides throw away the BIOS and replace it with Coreboot ) is compile the kernel for your system .
There 's no reason this ca n't be done on every system .
Gentoo has proved that .
Everyone compiles kernel modules on-demand these days... might as well recompile the kernel.Now , if only kexec would work on more platforms... or for that matter , work reliably on x86 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All you have to do to gain the same benefits on your PC (besides throw away the BIOS and replace it with Coreboot) is compile the kernel for your system.
There's no reason this can't be done on every system.
Gentoo has proved that.
Everyone compiles kernel modules on-demand these days... might as well recompile the kernel.Now, if only kexec would work on more platforms... or for that matter, work reliably on x86.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28707699</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28710085</id>
	<title>Re:It's 1980 all over again</title>
	<author>SirStiff</author>
	<datestamp>1247660700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My bet is he had 486DX266 in his head.. meaning 486 DX2 66MHz, and then transcribed it wrong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My bet is he had 486DX266 in his head.. meaning 486 DX2 66MHz , and then transcribed it wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My bet is he had 486DX266 in his head.. meaning 486 DX2 66MHz, and then transcribed it wrong.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1812226.28707023</parent>
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