<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_15_1755246</id>
	<title>India To Issue Over a Billion Biometric ID Cards</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1247681160000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:aronbeal@yahoo.com" rel="nofollow">angrytuna</a> writes <i>"The Unique Identification Authority is a new state department in India <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article6710764.ece#cid=OTC-RSS&amp;attr=2015164">charged with assigning every living Indian an exclusive number and biometric ID card</a>.  The program is designed to alleviate problems with the 20 current types of proof of identity currently available.  These problems range from difficulties for the very poor in obtaining state handouts, corruption, illegal immigration, and terrorism issues. Issuing the cards may be difficult, however, as less than 7\% of the population is registered for income tax, and voter lists are thought to be inaccurate, partly due to corruption.  The government has said the first cards will be issued in 18 months."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>angrytuna writes " The Unique Identification Authority is a new state department in India charged with assigning every living Indian an exclusive number and biometric ID card .
The program is designed to alleviate problems with the 20 current types of proof of identity currently available .
These problems range from difficulties for the very poor in obtaining state handouts , corruption , illegal immigration , and terrorism issues .
Issuing the cards may be difficult , however , as less than 7 \ % of the population is registered for income tax , and voter lists are thought to be inaccurate , partly due to corruption .
The government has said the first cards will be issued in 18 months .
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<sentencetext>angrytuna writes "The Unique Identification Authority is a new state department in India charged with assigning every living Indian an exclusive number and biometric ID card.
The program is designed to alleviate problems with the 20 current types of proof of identity currently available.
These problems range from difficulties for the very poor in obtaining state handouts, corruption, illegal immigration, and terrorism issues.
Issuing the cards may be difficult, however, as less than 7\% of the population is registered for income tax, and voter lists are thought to be inaccurate, partly due to corruption.
The government has said the first cards will be issued in 18 months.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707217</id>
	<title>Re:Illegal Immigration?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247690340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>snark</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>snark</tokentext>
<sentencetext>snark</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28729327</id>
	<title>Re:How do you explain this discrepancy</title>
	<author>CompMD</author>
	<datestamp>1247843400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"How do you then explain the millions of illegal aliens who freely live there, buy homes, drive cars, get bank accounts, get welfare, get utility accounts and cellphone accounts, etc?"</p><p>First of all these are not ID problems.  There's nothing stopping you from buying a house with cash or driving a car without a license (and a LOT of illegal aliens get nailed for that).  Bank accounts and welfare have a lot to do with similar names and bad checking on the institutional side.  As far as utility accounts and cellphones go, both of which require SSNs, its not that hard for them to use the SSN of someone with the same name, if the companies even crossreference the name, but that's out of what I know.</p><p>"Doesn't this disprove how technically sophisticated the Illinois ID and system is?"</p><p>Not if they aren't actually using the Illinois ID cards or are using legitimate ID cards procured with fraudulent documents that a CSR didn't catch.</p><p>"I read you state some of the ID machines were stolen..well..if they are compromised shouldn't they go to a different system them?"</p><p>They did go to a different system.</p><p>"Don't the ID cards themselves have an indicator and tag from which machine they were produced from, so that those people caught using bogus but official-looking ID could get nabbed? Even cheap printers have that now."</p><p>Every Illinois DL/ID card had an identifier string printed on it indicating what facility printed it and the serial number of that card.  This could be used for internal referencing (and I did a lot, caught some people trying to pull tricks using it)  because the CSR can tell where the card was issued, but the person who has it won't necessarily know.  Some people would come in pretending to be someone else claiming they lost their license.  I'd casually ask "do you remember where you got it?" as if that would help me help them, when I knew exactly where it came from, had all the data up on the screen, and the photo of the actual person the DL belonged to.</p><p>"Orders from the government to just look the other way and accept *anything* at all for ID from anyone who doesn't speak English as their first language."</p><p>This is the exact opposite of how we were trained.  I'm fluent in English, Spanish, and Greek, and had sufficient knowledge of Polish and Russian to help some people through the process.  Illegal aliens weren't that big of a problem.  If a document didn't have a verifiable seal on it or was something we hadn't seen before, we called it in or researched it before accepting it.  My favorite bad document from someone who didn't speak English was a passport that was issued from the USSR (seriously) in 1999.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" How do you then explain the millions of illegal aliens who freely live there , buy homes , drive cars , get bank accounts , get welfare , get utility accounts and cellphone accounts , etc ?
" First of all these are not ID problems .
There 's nothing stopping you from buying a house with cash or driving a car without a license ( and a LOT of illegal aliens get nailed for that ) .
Bank accounts and welfare have a lot to do with similar names and bad checking on the institutional side .
As far as utility accounts and cellphones go , both of which require SSNs , its not that hard for them to use the SSN of someone with the same name , if the companies even crossreference the name , but that 's out of what I know .
" Does n't this disprove how technically sophisticated the Illinois ID and system is ?
" Not if they are n't actually using the Illinois ID cards or are using legitimate ID cards procured with fraudulent documents that a CSR did n't catch .
" I read you state some of the ID machines were stolen..well..if they are compromised should n't they go to a different system them ?
" They did go to a different system .
" Do n't the ID cards themselves have an indicator and tag from which machine they were produced from , so that those people caught using bogus but official-looking ID could get nabbed ?
Even cheap printers have that now .
" Every Illinois DL/ID card had an identifier string printed on it indicating what facility printed it and the serial number of that card .
This could be used for internal referencing ( and I did a lot , caught some people trying to pull tricks using it ) because the CSR can tell where the card was issued , but the person who has it wo n't necessarily know .
Some people would come in pretending to be someone else claiming they lost their license .
I 'd casually ask " do you remember where you got it ?
" as if that would help me help them , when I knew exactly where it came from , had all the data up on the screen , and the photo of the actual person the DL belonged to .
" Orders from the government to just look the other way and accept * anything * at all for ID from anyone who does n't speak English as their first language .
" This is the exact opposite of how we were trained .
I 'm fluent in English , Spanish , and Greek , and had sufficient knowledge of Polish and Russian to help some people through the process .
Illegal aliens were n't that big of a problem .
If a document did n't have a verifiable seal on it or was something we had n't seen before , we called it in or researched it before accepting it .
My favorite bad document from someone who did n't speak English was a passport that was issued from the USSR ( seriously ) in 1999 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"How do you then explain the millions of illegal aliens who freely live there, buy homes, drive cars, get bank accounts, get welfare, get utility accounts and cellphone accounts, etc?
"First of all these are not ID problems.
There's nothing stopping you from buying a house with cash or driving a car without a license (and a LOT of illegal aliens get nailed for that).
Bank accounts and welfare have a lot to do with similar names and bad checking on the institutional side.
As far as utility accounts and cellphones go, both of which require SSNs, its not that hard for them to use the SSN of someone with the same name, if the companies even crossreference the name, but that's out of what I know.
"Doesn't this disprove how technically sophisticated the Illinois ID and system is?
"Not if they aren't actually using the Illinois ID cards or are using legitimate ID cards procured with fraudulent documents that a CSR didn't catch.
"I read you state some of the ID machines were stolen..well..if they are compromised shouldn't they go to a different system them?
"They did go to a different system.
"Don't the ID cards themselves have an indicator and tag from which machine they were produced from, so that those people caught using bogus but official-looking ID could get nabbed?
Even cheap printers have that now.
"Every Illinois DL/ID card had an identifier string printed on it indicating what facility printed it and the serial number of that card.
This could be used for internal referencing (and I did a lot, caught some people trying to pull tricks using it)  because the CSR can tell where the card was issued, but the person who has it won't necessarily know.
Some people would come in pretending to be someone else claiming they lost their license.
I'd casually ask "do you remember where you got it?
" as if that would help me help them, when I knew exactly where it came from, had all the data up on the screen, and the photo of the actual person the DL belonged to.
"Orders from the government to just look the other way and accept *anything* at all for ID from anyone who doesn't speak English as their first language.
"This is the exact opposite of how we were trained.
I'm fluent in English, Spanish, and Greek, and had sufficient knowledge of Polish and Russian to help some people through the process.
Illegal aliens weren't that big of a problem.
If a document didn't have a verifiable seal on it or was something we hadn't seen before, we called it in or researched it before accepting it.
My favorite bad document from someone who didn't speak English was a passport that was issued from the USSR (seriously) in 1999.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28719207</id>
	<title>Re:But when will it be done?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247768160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So my father was not only a woman but the daughter of my sister who happened to be the wife of my mother and so on.</p></div><p>It's like this in Arkansas, but for different reasons.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So my father was not only a woman but the daughter of my sister who happened to be the wife of my mother and so on.It 's like this in Arkansas , but for different reasons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So my father was not only a woman but the daughter of my sister who happened to be the wife of my mother and so on.It's like this in Arkansas, but for different reasons.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28713337</id>
	<title>Re:re-identification and stolen identities</title>
	<author>jawahar</author>
	<datestamp>1247687100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>I pay taxes. With them I buy civilization.</b>
<br>
But almost all Indian politicians (Sonia, Maya, Jaya, Pawar, Lalu, Advani etc) are unpatriotic and evade taxes by concealing their wealth.
<br>
India's richest sportsman Sachin Tendular shamelessly evaded taxes when he imported Ferrari sports car.
And Amitabh Bachchan, century's best living actor on the planet as per BBC, evades taxes by claiming that he is a FARMER.
<br>
<a href="http://business.rediff.com/report/2009/jun/25/bcrisis-only-84000-dollar-millionaires-in-india.htm" title="rediff.com" rel="nofollow">http://business.rediff.com/report/2009/jun/25/bcrisis-only-84000-dollar-millionaires-in-india.htm</a> [rediff.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>I pay taxes .
With them I buy civilization .
But almost all Indian politicians ( Sonia , Maya , Jaya , Pawar , Lalu , Advani etc ) are unpatriotic and evade taxes by concealing their wealth .
India 's richest sportsman Sachin Tendular shamelessly evaded taxes when he imported Ferrari sports car .
And Amitabh Bachchan , century 's best living actor on the planet as per BBC , evades taxes by claiming that he is a FARMER .
http : //business.rediff.com/report/2009/jun/25/bcrisis-only-84000-dollar-millionaires-in-india.htm [ rediff.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I pay taxes.
With them I buy civilization.
But almost all Indian politicians (Sonia, Maya, Jaya, Pawar, Lalu, Advani etc) are unpatriotic and evade taxes by concealing their wealth.
India's richest sportsman Sachin Tendular shamelessly evaded taxes when he imported Ferrari sports car.
And Amitabh Bachchan, century's best living actor on the planet as per BBC, evades taxes by claiming that he is a FARMER.
http://business.rediff.com/report/2009/jun/25/bcrisis-only-84000-dollar-millionaires-in-india.htm [rediff.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28711735</id>
	<title>Over-engineered idea</title>
	<author>benxx</author>
	<datestamp>1247671860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Indian government always plan impractical, useless to  people, high cost projects. Another example: Chandrayan Project ( Man mission to the Moon).

ID cards to one billion people means it's a multi-billion dollar (or rupees) project. Huge oppurtunity for government officials and contractors (In interms of corruption).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Indian government always plan impractical , useless to people , high cost projects .
Another example : Chandrayan Project ( Man mission to the Moon ) .
ID cards to one billion people means it 's a multi-billion dollar ( or rupees ) project .
Huge oppurtunity for government officials and contractors ( In interms of corruption ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indian government always plan impractical, useless to  people, high cost projects.
Another example: Chandrayan Project ( Man mission to the Moon).
ID cards to one billion people means it's a multi-billion dollar (or rupees) project.
Huge oppurtunity for government officials and contractors (In interms of corruption).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707505</id>
	<title>Newsflash, Jan 26 2013</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247648460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Newsflash, Jan 26, 2013.</p><p>The state Department of Unique Identifiers (DUI) announced today that the project to issue Globally Unique Democratic Identifiers (GUDIs) is in serious jeopardy. Apparently, they budget called for just over 1 billion ID cards and while the procured one billion have been used, they acknowledged the presence of confirmed live people standing in queues across the country who could prove they were born on genuine Indian pavements.  The spokesman also acknowledged confusion at media reports that the subset of people with an ID card did not overlap with the subset of people deemed alive or those known to have paid taxes or the subset claiming various government benefits.</p><p>When asked for a clarification, the minister in charge of the department agreed with the assessment of the situation but expressed his inability to verify the actual statistics. He sheepishly confirmed that he was not in possession of a valid ID card yet, nor was he aware of anyone in his immediate family or political circle with the required papers. He also vehemently denied knowledge of recent tabloid reports that his maid, driver and cook each possessed multiple ID cards.</p><p>Recent western media reports have raised privacy concerns over the ID program and DUI ability to control its direction. In a recent BBC interview, Ram Lal (no last name), a pavement dweller in Mumbai expressed dire concern when interviewed by a BBC reporter. Surrounded by his immediate family of 14 in his one-room shanty, he overcame his initial lack of comprehension about the notion of "privacy" and faulted the government for its insensitivity and draconian measures. When asked about his experience in using the global ID, Ram Lal expressed frustration at his inability to claim government benefits due to chronic IT issues. He was unable to comment on his experience with the income tax department, citing lack of experience.</p><p>Meanwhile, in the Indian border state of Bengal, the communist party government announced the opening of their Dhaka marketing office.</p><p>In other news, the Chinese premier congratulated India on discovering that it was the most populous country on the planet. The Chinese company in charge of mass production of ID cards promised to step up production.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Newsflash , Jan 26 , 2013.The state Department of Unique Identifiers ( DUI ) announced today that the project to issue Globally Unique Democratic Identifiers ( GUDIs ) is in serious jeopardy .
Apparently , they budget called for just over 1 billion ID cards and while the procured one billion have been used , they acknowledged the presence of confirmed live people standing in queues across the country who could prove they were born on genuine Indian pavements .
The spokesman also acknowledged confusion at media reports that the subset of people with an ID card did not overlap with the subset of people deemed alive or those known to have paid taxes or the subset claiming various government benefits.When asked for a clarification , the minister in charge of the department agreed with the assessment of the situation but expressed his inability to verify the actual statistics .
He sheepishly confirmed that he was not in possession of a valid ID card yet , nor was he aware of anyone in his immediate family or political circle with the required papers .
He also vehemently denied knowledge of recent tabloid reports that his maid , driver and cook each possessed multiple ID cards.Recent western media reports have raised privacy concerns over the ID program and DUI ability to control its direction .
In a recent BBC interview , Ram Lal ( no last name ) , a pavement dweller in Mumbai expressed dire concern when interviewed by a BBC reporter .
Surrounded by his immediate family of 14 in his one-room shanty , he overcame his initial lack of comprehension about the notion of " privacy " and faulted the government for its insensitivity and draconian measures .
When asked about his experience in using the global ID , Ram Lal expressed frustration at his inability to claim government benefits due to chronic IT issues .
He was unable to comment on his experience with the income tax department , citing lack of experience.Meanwhile , in the Indian border state of Bengal , the communist party government announced the opening of their Dhaka marketing office.In other news , the Chinese premier congratulated India on discovering that it was the most populous country on the planet .
The Chinese company in charge of mass production of ID cards promised to step up production .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Newsflash, Jan 26, 2013.The state Department of Unique Identifiers (DUI) announced today that the project to issue Globally Unique Democratic Identifiers (GUDIs) is in serious jeopardy.
Apparently, they budget called for just over 1 billion ID cards and while the procured one billion have been used, they acknowledged the presence of confirmed live people standing in queues across the country who could prove they were born on genuine Indian pavements.
The spokesman also acknowledged confusion at media reports that the subset of people with an ID card did not overlap with the subset of people deemed alive or those known to have paid taxes or the subset claiming various government benefits.When asked for a clarification, the minister in charge of the department agreed with the assessment of the situation but expressed his inability to verify the actual statistics.
He sheepishly confirmed that he was not in possession of a valid ID card yet, nor was he aware of anyone in his immediate family or political circle with the required papers.
He also vehemently denied knowledge of recent tabloid reports that his maid, driver and cook each possessed multiple ID cards.Recent western media reports have raised privacy concerns over the ID program and DUI ability to control its direction.
In a recent BBC interview, Ram Lal (no last name), a pavement dweller in Mumbai expressed dire concern when interviewed by a BBC reporter.
Surrounded by his immediate family of 14 in his one-room shanty, he overcame his initial lack of comprehension about the notion of "privacy" and faulted the government for its insensitivity and draconian measures.
When asked about his experience in using the global ID, Ram Lal expressed frustration at his inability to claim government benefits due to chronic IT issues.
He was unable to comment on his experience with the income tax department, citing lack of experience.Meanwhile, in the Indian border state of Bengal, the communist party government announced the opening of their Dhaka marketing office.In other news, the Chinese premier congratulated India on discovering that it was the most populous country on the planet.
The Chinese company in charge of mass production of ID cards promised to step up production.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706601</id>
	<title>Re:Beep!</title>
	<author>Qzukk</author>
	<datestamp>1247687520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Did they have a contest to come up with the most Orwellian sounding name? </i></p><p>Well, they had to find a name that wasn't taken.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did they have a contest to come up with the most Orwellian sounding name ?
Well , they had to find a name that was n't taken .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did they have a contest to come up with the most Orwellian sounding name?
Well, they had to find a name that wasn't taken.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28709337</id>
	<title>It will never work.</title>
	<author>bikehorn</author>
	<datestamp>1247657040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's India. If you don't understand, spend some time there, and not just going to touristy sites. It just has no chance of succeeding as a universal replacement IMO.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's India .
If you do n't understand , spend some time there , and not just going to touristy sites .
It just has no chance of succeeding as a universal replacement IMO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's India.
If you don't understand, spend some time there, and not just going to touristy sites.
It just has no chance of succeeding as a universal replacement IMO.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707111</id>
	<title>Re:But when will it be done?</title>
	<author>Tolkien</author>
	<datestamp>1247689800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because of the massive amount of corruption and general crime, this is doomed to failure. Issuing an ID card to someone who has no possessions or living quarters will make them a ripe target for identity theft I imagine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because of the massive amount of corruption and general crime , this is doomed to failure .
Issuing an ID card to someone who has no possessions or living quarters will make them a ripe target for identity theft I imagine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because of the massive amount of corruption and general crime, this is doomed to failure.
Issuing an ID card to someone who has no possessions or living quarters will make them a ripe target for identity theft I imagine.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28713273</id>
	<title>Infosys founder Nandan Nilekani to head the UID</title>
	<author>aloshbennett</author>
	<datestamp>1247686260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nandan Nilekani quit Infosys to head the govt project. The legislative of India is fast changing for good. Though movie stars and cricketers still find their way into the assembly, a good portion of the government is now made up of capable people.

<a href="http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20090625/808/tnl-nandan-nilekani-to-head-unique-ident.html" title="yahoo.com" rel="nofollow">http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20090625/808/tnl-nandan-nilekani-to-head-unique-ident.html</a> [yahoo.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nandan Nilekani quit Infosys to head the govt project .
The legislative of India is fast changing for good .
Though movie stars and cricketers still find their way into the assembly , a good portion of the government is now made up of capable people .
http : //in.news.yahoo.com/139/20090625/808/tnl-nandan-nilekani-to-head-unique-ident.html [ yahoo.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nandan Nilekani quit Infosys to head the govt project.
The legislative of India is fast changing for good.
Though movie stars and cricketers still find their way into the assembly, a good portion of the government is now made up of capable people.
http://in.news.yahoo.com/139/20090625/808/tnl-nandan-nilekani-to-head-unique-ident.html [yahoo.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706371</id>
	<title>re-identification and stolen identities</title>
	<author>drDugan</author>
	<datestamp>1247686500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given the corruption they have now, what makes them think corruption won't continue?</p><p>Stealing someones biometric data will mean an increasing arms race for technology to identify someone.  It will eventually fail as corrupt agencies and criminals have the same methods to read biometry data and create the id cards. As a way to slow this down - do not give the biometric data to the person, explained thus:</p><p>Instead, people should be issued replaceable, hard to fake credentials (ID cards) - that do NOT have biometric readings on them, rather just a long random number.  These would be easy to read - and the random number identifies the holder.</p><p>Creation and issuing of credentials would be done only based on government-run biometric scans.  The identifying agency keeps the biometric data secret at the time of issue or re-issue, and links the biometric data to the replaceable credentials/random number.</p><p>This way if an ID is stolen or in dispute, the person comes in, gets scanned again and a new credential/card/random number is issued and the old one is cancelled.</p><p>This allows one upside:  no big, central DB of biometric data - each local area keeps their own.  By removing a central identity DB, corrupt officials will have smaller targets to break.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given the corruption they have now , what makes them think corruption wo n't continue ? Stealing someones biometric data will mean an increasing arms race for technology to identify someone .
It will eventually fail as corrupt agencies and criminals have the same methods to read biometry data and create the id cards .
As a way to slow this down - do not give the biometric data to the person , explained thus : Instead , people should be issued replaceable , hard to fake credentials ( ID cards ) - that do NOT have biometric readings on them , rather just a long random number .
These would be easy to read - and the random number identifies the holder.Creation and issuing of credentials would be done only based on government-run biometric scans .
The identifying agency keeps the biometric data secret at the time of issue or re-issue , and links the biometric data to the replaceable credentials/random number.This way if an ID is stolen or in dispute , the person comes in , gets scanned again and a new credential/card/random number is issued and the old one is cancelled.This allows one upside : no big , central DB of biometric data - each local area keeps their own .
By removing a central identity DB , corrupt officials will have smaller targets to break .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given the corruption they have now, what makes them think corruption won't continue?Stealing someones biometric data will mean an increasing arms race for technology to identify someone.
It will eventually fail as corrupt agencies and criminals have the same methods to read biometry data and create the id cards.
As a way to slow this down - do not give the biometric data to the person, explained thus:Instead, people should be issued replaceable, hard to fake credentials (ID cards) - that do NOT have biometric readings on them, rather just a long random number.
These would be easy to read - and the random number identifies the holder.Creation and issuing of credentials would be done only based on government-run biometric scans.
The identifying agency keeps the biometric data secret at the time of issue or re-issue, and links the biometric data to the replaceable credentials/random number.This way if an ID is stolen or in dispute, the person comes in, gets scanned again and a new credential/card/random number is issued and the old one is cancelled.This allows one upside:  no big, central DB of biometric data - each local area keeps their own.
By removing a central identity DB, corrupt officials will have smaller targets to break.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706183</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>oodaloop</author>
	<datestamp>1247685480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Absolutely.  After getting hit with the billy club, you would have a new face.  The old mold would be useless!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Absolutely .
After getting hit with the billy club , you would have a new face .
The old mold would be useless !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Absolutely.
After getting hit with the billy club, you would have a new face.
The old mold would be useless!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706083</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706399</id>
	<title>Re:Sick priorities</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1247686680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Trick is making countries buy technologies which they can`t afford (including nukes) and ask them to give up a resource when the loan pay day comes.</p><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hitman-Perkins-John/dp/B001GG67CC/" title="amazon.com">http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hitman-Perkins-John/dp/B001GG67CC/</a> [amazon.com]</p><p>"For many years he worked for an international consulting firm where his main job was to convince LDCs (less developed countries) around the world to accept multibillion-dollar loans for infrastructure projects and to see to it that most of this money ended up at Halliburton, Bechtel, Brown and Root, and other United States engineering and construction companies."</p><p>This one serves to NWO too, double evil<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;) ID Card guys will say "look, even India uses them" to suspicious govt. guys.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Trick is making countries buy technologies which they can ` t afford ( including nukes ) and ask them to give up a resource when the loan pay day comes.http : //www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hitman-Perkins-John/dp/B001GG67CC/ [ amazon.com ] " For many years he worked for an international consulting firm where his main job was to convince LDCs ( less developed countries ) around the world to accept multibillion-dollar loans for infrastructure projects and to see to it that most of this money ended up at Halliburton , Bechtel , Brown and Root , and other United States engineering and construction companies .
" This one serves to NWO too , double evil ; ) ID Card guys will say " look , even India uses them " to suspicious govt .
guys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trick is making countries buy technologies which they can`t afford (including nukes) and ask them to give up a resource when the loan pay day comes.http://www.amazon.com/Confessions-Economic-Hitman-Perkins-John/dp/B001GG67CC/ [amazon.com]"For many years he worked for an international consulting firm where his main job was to convince LDCs (less developed countries) around the world to accept multibillion-dollar loans for infrastructure projects and to see to it that most of this money ended up at Halliburton, Bechtel, Brown and Root, and other United States engineering and construction companies.
"This one serves to NWO too, double evil ;) ID Card guys will say "look, even India uses them" to suspicious govt.
guys.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28710607</id>
	<title>Re:Billionth Indian</title>
	<author>slater86</author>
	<datestamp>1247663640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You mean like indian file <a href="http://www.wordwebonline.com/en/INDIANFILE" title="wordwebonline.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.wordwebonline.com/en/INDIANFILE</a> [wordwebonline.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean like indian file http : //www.wordwebonline.com/en/INDIANFILE [ wordwebonline.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean like indian file http://www.wordwebonline.com/en/INDIANFILE [wordwebonline.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707223</id>
	<title>Re:Illegal Immigration?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247690340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And in about 5 years, illegal immigrants from the United States.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And in about 5 years , illegal immigrants from the United States .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And in about 5 years, illegal immigrants from the United States.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706591</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28713345</id>
	<title>Re:Billionth Indian</title>
	<author>jawahar</author>
	<datestamp>1247687220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>They stand in masses and push and shove to get to the front.</p></div></blockquote><p>
aka Systemic Chaos.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They stand in masses and push and shove to get to the front .
aka Systemic Chaos .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They stand in masses and push and shove to get to the front.
aka Systemic Chaos.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706817</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706991</id>
	<title>666</title>
	<author>JTBunton</author>
	<datestamp>1247689140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Did anyone else hear Iron Maiden in their heads as they read that headline?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did anyone else hear Iron Maiden in their heads as they read that headline ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Did anyone else hear Iron Maiden in their heads as they read that headline?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706551</id>
	<title>Unfounded optimism</title>
	<author>AdmiralXyz</author>
	<datestamp>1247687340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The "predicted cost of &#194;&pound;3 billion" (from TFA) works out to a cost of &#194;&pound;2.50 per card per person. Anyone else think this seems a little optimistic, given I think highly secure identity cards cost a little more than that to manufacture, never mind the infrastructure costs involved?</p><p>(P.S. trying to get pound symbols to show up on Slashdot from an American keyboard sucks)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The " predicted cost of     3 billion " ( from TFA ) works out to a cost of     2.50 per card per person .
Anyone else think this seems a little optimistic , given I think highly secure identity cards cost a little more than that to manufacture , never mind the infrastructure costs involved ? ( P.S .
trying to get pound symbols to show up on Slashdot from an American keyboard sucks )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "predicted cost of Â£3 billion" (from TFA) works out to a cost of Â£2.50 per card per person.
Anyone else think this seems a little optimistic, given I think highly secure identity cards cost a little more than that to manufacture, never mind the infrastructure costs involved?(P.S.
trying to get pound symbols to show up on Slashdot from an American keyboard sucks)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706903</id>
	<title>Re:Unfounded optimism</title>
	<author>bhagwad</author>
	<datestamp>1247688780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Spot on - the <a href="http://bhagwad.com/blog/2009/07/national-id-cards-india-financial-cost.html" title="bhagwad.com" rel="nofollow">UK recently gave up on ID cards</a> [bhagwad.com] because it was (amongst other reasons) too costly.<br> <br>

How on earth is India going to afford it with 20 times the population and 51 times less per capita GDP? Something's not right here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Spot on - the UK recently gave up on ID cards [ bhagwad.com ] because it was ( amongst other reasons ) too costly .
How on earth is India going to afford it with 20 times the population and 51 times less per capita GDP ?
Something 's not right here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Spot on - the UK recently gave up on ID cards [bhagwad.com] because it was (amongst other reasons) too costly.
How on earth is India going to afford it with 20 times the population and 51 times less per capita GDP?
Something's not right here.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706817</id>
	<title>Re:Billionth Indian</title>
	<author>characterZer0</author>
	<datestamp>1247688420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indians do not stand in queues. They stand in masses and push and shove to get to the front.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indians do not stand in queues .
They stand in masses and push and shove to get to the front .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indians do not stand in queues.
They stand in masses and push and shove to get to the front.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706089</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28708889</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>tomsomething</author>
	<datestamp>1247655240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think the ideal result--and I'm not saying we're ready to do this--would be to have a secure, reliable "something you are" that would just work for everything.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the ideal result--and I 'm not saying we 're ready to do this--would be to have a secure , reliable " something you are " that would just work for everything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the ideal result--and I'm not saying we're ready to do this--would be to have a secure, reliable "something you are" that would just work for everything.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706359</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706623</id>
	<title>Re:America has over 50 types</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1247687640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, but many (most?) have more than one of them. Most military personnel, for example, have their military ID, state drivers' license, and motor pool personnel have military drivers' licenses. Plus you have tour Social Security card (the one I lost last month when my wallet was stolen said "not to be used for identification purposes" but the new ones don't say that). many folks have passports, etc. in addition to their state licenses.</p><p>Personally, I'm against a national ID card, or for requiring ID for most things at all. It annoys me when I'm asked for ID to buy beer, my white goatee and gray hair should identify me as "old enough to drink."</p><p>For that matter, I shouldn't even need to carry my license; the cop can look me up by name on his squad car computer and identify me by my photograph.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , but many ( most ?
) have more than one of them .
Most military personnel , for example , have their military ID , state drivers ' license , and motor pool personnel have military drivers ' licenses .
Plus you have tour Social Security card ( the one I lost last month when my wallet was stolen said " not to be used for identification purposes " but the new ones do n't say that ) .
many folks have passports , etc .
in addition to their state licenses.Personally , I 'm against a national ID card , or for requiring ID for most things at all .
It annoys me when I 'm asked for ID to buy beer , my white goatee and gray hair should identify me as " old enough to drink .
" For that matter , I should n't even need to carry my license ; the cop can look me up by name on his squad car computer and identify me by my photograph .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, but many (most?
) have more than one of them.
Most military personnel, for example, have their military ID, state drivers' license, and motor pool personnel have military drivers' licenses.
Plus you have tour Social Security card (the one I lost last month when my wallet was stolen said "not to be used for identification purposes" but the new ones don't say that).
many folks have passports, etc.
in addition to their state licenses.Personally, I'm against a national ID card, or for requiring ID for most things at all.
It annoys me when I'm asked for ID to buy beer, my white goatee and gray hair should identify me as "old enough to drink.
"For that matter, I shouldn't even need to carry my license; the cop can look me up by name on his squad car computer and identify me by my photograph.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28711997</id>
	<title>Re:I have a biometric ID and so do you</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1247674020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Most states don't have your photograph on file.</p> </div><p>Maybe 20 years ago, but not today.  Nowadays most states are selling their databases, including photos and everything else they have on you, to private companies.  Look up the DPPA (Driver's Privacy Protection Act) - it is one of those laws with a contrary name, it restricted a couple of really blatant abuses in exchange for expressly legalizing all kinds of other abuses.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most states do n't have your photograph on file .
Maybe 20 years ago , but not today .
Nowadays most states are selling their databases , including photos and everything else they have on you , to private companies .
Look up the DPPA ( Driver 's Privacy Protection Act ) - it is one of those laws with a contrary name , it restricted a couple of really blatant abuses in exchange for expressly legalizing all kinds of other abuses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most states don't have your photograph on file.
Maybe 20 years ago, but not today.
Nowadays most states are selling their databases, including photos and everything else they have on you, to private companies.
Look up the DPPA (Driver's Privacy Protection Act) - it is one of those laws with a contrary name, it restricted a couple of really blatant abuses in exchange for expressly legalizing all kinds of other abuses.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706685</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28708619</id>
	<title>Re:re-identification and stolen identities</title>
	<author>S7urm</author>
	<datestamp>1247653920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, but how do you then verify the authenticity of someone's claim when they come in to claim their missing card? If there is no biometric data, is the card holder supposed to in some way memorize this extremely long, random #?</p><p>I would say you use a 24 digit "random" number, and THEN have it coupled with un-forgeable biometrics (i.e fingerprint+blood type, or some combination thereof) so that not only do you have authentic one time cards, but they are also able to verify who the cardholder is based on a system not dependant on the card system itself. Part of any problem with a system like this is if the system itself fails, what do you have to fall back on?</p><p>Look at the United States, we are dependant primarily on our SS#'s and now they have found that the algorithm used to create those #'s is easily forged, and any person with a minute amount of time on their hands can learn how the numbering system for Social Security cards work, since it is listed on the IRS.gov website.</p><p>What happens in the US once the government realizes the SS # system has failed and is being forged hand over fist?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , but how do you then verify the authenticity of someone 's claim when they come in to claim their missing card ?
If there is no biometric data , is the card holder supposed to in some way memorize this extremely long , random # ? I would say you use a 24 digit " random " number , and THEN have it coupled with un-forgeable biometrics ( i.e fingerprint + blood type , or some combination thereof ) so that not only do you have authentic one time cards , but they are also able to verify who the cardholder is based on a system not dependant on the card system itself .
Part of any problem with a system like this is if the system itself fails , what do you have to fall back on ? Look at the United States , we are dependant primarily on our SS # 's and now they have found that the algorithm used to create those # 's is easily forged , and any person with a minute amount of time on their hands can learn how the numbering system for Social Security cards work , since it is listed on the IRS.gov website.What happens in the US once the government realizes the SS # system has failed and is being forged hand over fist ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, but how do you then verify the authenticity of someone's claim when they come in to claim their missing card?
If there is no biometric data, is the card holder supposed to in some way memorize this extremely long, random #?I would say you use a 24 digit "random" number, and THEN have it coupled with un-forgeable biometrics (i.e fingerprint+blood type, or some combination thereof) so that not only do you have authentic one time cards, but they are also able to verify who the cardholder is based on a system not dependant on the card system itself.
Part of any problem with a system like this is if the system itself fails, what do you have to fall back on?Look at the United States, we are dependant primarily on our SS#'s and now they have found that the algorithm used to create those #'s is easily forged, and any person with a minute amount of time on their hands can learn how the numbering system for Social Security cards work, since it is listed on the IRS.gov website.What happens in the US once the government realizes the SS # system has failed and is being forged hand over fist?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28710741</id>
	<title>German ID cards</title>
	<author>jtheisen</author>
	<datestamp>1247664480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have to mention this every time German ID cards are mentioned (as in the article): In Germany, there is no central database with all citizens recorded. The federal press is printing them for the local authority issuing the card, but it isn't keeping the record. A copy of the ID card is kept at the local authority. It's a decent system. I'm against a central database, but no identifictation system at all like the US and the UK is just a mess.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to mention this every time German ID cards are mentioned ( as in the article ) : In Germany , there is no central database with all citizens recorded .
The federal press is printing them for the local authority issuing the card , but it is n't keeping the record .
A copy of the ID card is kept at the local authority .
It 's a decent system .
I 'm against a central database , but no identifictation system at all like the US and the UK is just a mess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to mention this every time German ID cards are mentioned (as in the article): In Germany, there is no central database with all citizens recorded.
The federal press is printing them for the local authority issuing the card, but it isn't keeping the record.
A copy of the ID card is kept at the local authority.
It's a decent system.
I'm against a central database, but no identifictation system at all like the US and the UK is just a mess.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707643</id>
	<title>Re:I have a biometric ID and so do you</title>
	<author>CompMD</author>
	<datestamp>1247649120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe you never got to experience the horror that was George Ryan.  Things are much better and more streamlined since Jesse White took over.  Everything it more reliable, runs faster and more efficiently, and keeps the public from going completely bonkers.  I interned at a DSF for a couple summers in college.  Things to note:</p><p>- Central database is a massive IBM mainframe and the reps are using what is essentially a custom telnet client to access the forms and processes for their usual work.<br>- Reps also have a direct terminal to CICS so they can instantly get records.<br>- Illinois DL/ID cards are some of the most tamper resistant and hardest to fake cards out there.  That having been said, I preferred the last series cards.  Unfortunately, some of the card printers were stolen from one of the facilities, which screwed things up for everyone.<br>- People make mistakes/people are stupid/people lie.  There are some people (reps and applicants) who won't read the forms they have in front of them and Bob will get sent to the camera with Jane's paperwork, or pay for the wrong thing, etc.  Also, there is the problem of twins, which I experienced once.  One passed her driving exam, the other would likely kill someone if given a car, good driving sister tried impersonating bad driving sister, bad things happened to both of them as a result.  Fathers who want to see their sons with the same name they have get licenses but don't have all their ID will fraudulently try to pass off their SS cards as their son's.  I saw this happen on a few occasions.</p><p>You wouldn't believe the stunts people try to pull and the consequences they are allowed to walk away from.  The attempts at fraud (even in the "country club" DSF I worked at) were ridiculous, and always happening.  Its because of losers like those people that you had to jump through hoops, not the state.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe you never got to experience the horror that was George Ryan .
Things are much better and more streamlined since Jesse White took over .
Everything it more reliable , runs faster and more efficiently , and keeps the public from going completely bonkers .
I interned at a DSF for a couple summers in college .
Things to note : - Central database is a massive IBM mainframe and the reps are using what is essentially a custom telnet client to access the forms and processes for their usual work.- Reps also have a direct terminal to CICS so they can instantly get records.- Illinois DL/ID cards are some of the most tamper resistant and hardest to fake cards out there .
That having been said , I preferred the last series cards .
Unfortunately , some of the card printers were stolen from one of the facilities , which screwed things up for everyone.- People make mistakes/people are stupid/people lie .
There are some people ( reps and applicants ) who wo n't read the forms they have in front of them and Bob will get sent to the camera with Jane 's paperwork , or pay for the wrong thing , etc .
Also , there is the problem of twins , which I experienced once .
One passed her driving exam , the other would likely kill someone if given a car , good driving sister tried impersonating bad driving sister , bad things happened to both of them as a result .
Fathers who want to see their sons with the same name they have get licenses but do n't have all their ID will fraudulently try to pass off their SS cards as their son 's .
I saw this happen on a few occasions.You would n't believe the stunts people try to pull and the consequences they are allowed to walk away from .
The attempts at fraud ( even in the " country club " DSF I worked at ) were ridiculous , and always happening .
Its because of losers like those people that you had to jump through hoops , not the state .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe you never got to experience the horror that was George Ryan.
Things are much better and more streamlined since Jesse White took over.
Everything it more reliable, runs faster and more efficiently, and keeps the public from going completely bonkers.
I interned at a DSF for a couple summers in college.
Things to note:- Central database is a massive IBM mainframe and the reps are using what is essentially a custom telnet client to access the forms and processes for their usual work.- Reps also have a direct terminal to CICS so they can instantly get records.- Illinois DL/ID cards are some of the most tamper resistant and hardest to fake cards out there.
That having been said, I preferred the last series cards.
Unfortunately, some of the card printers were stolen from one of the facilities, which screwed things up for everyone.- People make mistakes/people are stupid/people lie.
There are some people (reps and applicants) who won't read the forms they have in front of them and Bob will get sent to the camera with Jane's paperwork, or pay for the wrong thing, etc.
Also, there is the problem of twins, which I experienced once.
One passed her driving exam, the other would likely kill someone if given a car, good driving sister tried impersonating bad driving sister, bad things happened to both of them as a result.
Fathers who want to see their sons with the same name they have get licenses but don't have all their ID will fraudulently try to pass off their SS cards as their son's.
I saw this happen on a few occasions.You wouldn't believe the stunts people try to pull and the consequences they are allowed to walk away from.
The attempts at fraud (even in the "country club" DSF I worked at) were ridiculous, and always happening.
Its because of losers like those people that you had to jump through hoops, not the state.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706229</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28708433</id>
	<title>Re:Billionth Indian</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247653080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>dude<br>troll much?</p><p>If I were an Indian I'd be pissed that you can sterotypically say that all Indians are inpatient and rude, and get marked +5 Informative.....</p><p>You should have a -10 D0uchebag Mod</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>dudetroll much ? If I were an Indian I 'd be pissed that you can sterotypically say that all Indians are inpatient and rude , and get marked + 5 Informative.....You should have a -10 D0uchebag Mod</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dudetroll much?If I were an Indian I'd be pissed that you can sterotypically say that all Indians are inpatient and rude, and get marked +5 Informative.....You should have a -10 D0uchebag Mod</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706817</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28708163</id>
	<title>Re:Comment on Germany Interesting</title>
	<author>dunkelfalke</author>
	<datestamp>1247651700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>German police can detain people who are not carrying their ID card for up to 24 hours.</p></div></blockquote><p>Not quite. There is no law in Germany to carry an ID. The police has the right to require an identification in certain cases (more or less analogue to the stop and identify statutes in some US states) and they have the right to detain a person for 12 hours (they would need a warrant for that, though) and to search the person if the identification is not possible.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>German police can detain people who are not carrying their ID card for up to 24 hours.Not quite .
There is no law in Germany to carry an ID .
The police has the right to require an identification in certain cases ( more or less analogue to the stop and identify statutes in some US states ) and they have the right to detain a person for 12 hours ( they would need a warrant for that , though ) and to search the person if the identification is not possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>German police can detain people who are not carrying their ID card for up to 24 hours.Not quite.
There is no law in Germany to carry an ID.
The police has the right to require an identification in certain cases (more or less analogue to the stop and identify statutes in some US states) and they have the right to detain a person for 12 hours (they would need a warrant for that, though) and to search the person if the identification is not possible.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706201</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706547</id>
	<title>Re:Comment on Germany Interesting</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1247687280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Papers, please!</i></p><p>Uh, I only have a pipe, man.</p><p><i>Zen you'll Haff to come vit me!</i></p><p>(From "A Child's Garden of Grass")</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Papers , please ! Uh , I only have a pipe , man.Zen you 'll Haff to come vit me !
( From " A Child 's Garden of Grass " )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Papers, please!Uh, I only have a pipe, man.Zen you'll Haff to come vit me!
(From "A Child's Garden of Grass")</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706201</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706083</id>
	<title>Awesome!</title>
	<author>AtomicDevice</author>
	<datestamp>1247685000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The best part about biometrics, is, when someone gets your fingerprint, or makes a mold of your face after knocking you out with a billy club, you can totally.....     uuuuhhhh.... get..a new one?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The best part about biometrics , is , when someone gets your fingerprint , or makes a mold of your face after knocking you out with a billy club , you can totally..... uuuuhhhh.... get..a new one ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best part about biometrics, is, when someone gets your fingerprint, or makes a mold of your face after knocking you out with a billy club, you can totally.....     uuuuhhhh.... get..a new one?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706201</id>
	<title>Comment on Germany Interesting</title>
	<author>penguin\_dance</author>
	<datestamp>1247685540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"German police can detain people who are not carrying their ID card for up to 24 hours."<br>Papers, please!</p><p>Sigh, if it hasn't happened already, SOMEBODY in the US government is going to try to convince us that we need to be more like India!</p><p>However, maybe this current clusterfuck will tie up so many Indian programmers, the US won't be able to export any more jobs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" German police can detain people who are not carrying their ID card for up to 24 hours .
" Papers , please ! Sigh , if it has n't happened already , SOMEBODY in the US government is going to try to convince us that we need to be more like India ! However , maybe this current clusterfuck will tie up so many Indian programmers , the US wo n't be able to export any more jobs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"German police can detain people who are not carrying their ID card for up to 24 hours.
"Papers, please!Sigh, if it hasn't happened already, SOMEBODY in the US government is going to try to convince us that we need to be more like India!However, maybe this current clusterfuck will tie up so many Indian programmers, the US won't be able to export any more jobs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28715881</id>
	<title>Re:I have a biometric ID and so do you</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1247755500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With a photo, people are only seeing what they can see in public anyway. That's not true with fingerprints, and especially DNA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With a photo , people are only seeing what they can see in public anyway .
That 's not true with fingerprints , and especially DNA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With a photo, people are only seeing what they can see in public anyway.
That's not true with fingerprints, and especially DNA.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706229</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707335</id>
	<title>Re:But when will it be done?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247690880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Talk about India having one of the largest and arguably better outsourcing businesses in the world and still they at home cannot come up with a good voter card software/database.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Talk about India having one of the largest and arguably better outsourcing businesses in the world and still they at home can not come up with a good voter card software/database .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Talk about India having one of the largest and arguably better outsourcing businesses in the world and still they at home cannot come up with a good voter card software/database.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706295</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28720267</id>
	<title>Whew, that was a close one!</title>
	<author>Impy the Impiuos Imp</author>
	<datestamp>1247771940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; and voter lists are thought to be inaccurate</p><p>Really?  Well, it's a good thing then that they're choosing not to clone that list for anything important.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; and voter lists are thought to be inaccurateReally ?
Well , it 's a good thing then that they 're choosing not to clone that list for anything important .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; and voter lists are thought to be inaccurateReally?
Well, it's a good thing then that they're choosing not to clone that list for anything important.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707357</id>
	<title>alleviating the problem</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247690940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The program is designed to alleviate problems with the 20 current types of proof of identity currently available.</p></div><p>So, they have 21 now?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The program is designed to alleviate problems with the 20 current types of proof of identity currently available.So , they have 21 now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The program is designed to alleviate problems with the 20 current types of proof of identity currently available.So, they have 21 now?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707885</id>
	<title>Assignment scope.</title>
	<author>fahrbot-bot</author>
	<datestamp>1247650200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>...charged with assigning every <i>living</i> Indian an exclusive number and biometric ID card...</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Only the "living" Indians - well that's a relief.  Of course, they believe in re-incarnation, so<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...charged with assigning every living Indian an exclusive number and biometric ID card.. . Only the " living " Indians - well that 's a relief .
Of course , they believe in re-incarnation , so .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...charged with assigning every living Indian an exclusive number and biometric ID card...

Only the "living" Indians - well that's a relief.
Of course, they believe in re-incarnation, so ...
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28708509</id>
	<title>Re:Comment on Germany Interesting</title>
	<author>S7urm</author>
	<datestamp>1247653380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You've heard of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL\_ID\_Act" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow"> REAL ID Act </a> [wikipedia.org] right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've heard of the REAL ID Act [ wikipedia.org ] right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've heard of the  REAL ID Act  [wikipedia.org] right?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706201</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706079</id>
	<title>Illegal Immigration?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247684940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They have problems with people trying to get INTO India?  I thought everyone wanted to get out!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They have problems with people trying to get INTO India ?
I thought everyone wanted to get out !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have problems with people trying to get INTO India?
I thought everyone wanted to get out!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706233</id>
	<title>Oh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247685780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh ruddy ruddy heck, jolly well indeed!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh ruddy ruddy heck , jolly well indeed !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh ruddy ruddy heck, jolly well indeed!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706091</id>
	<title>Easy</title>
	<author>darth\_MALL</author>
	<datestamp>1247685000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Outsource it to an American company!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Outsource it to an American company !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Outsource it to an American company!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28716921</id>
	<title>Re:America has over 50 types</title>
	<author>masonc</author>
	<datestamp>1247759700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The one America does not use is the passport. True story: I went to America to buy some building materials. I was in Home Depot and bought about $700 worth of tools. When I tried to pay with my credit card, they cashier requested identification so I handed her my British Passport. She refused to accept it as a valid form of identification so I walked out leaving them with the tools.<br>The idea that an easily obtainable driver's license is a reliable form of identification is ludicrous, and that the internationally accepted form of ID that gets people into the country is not good enough for a hardware store is equally ridiculous.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The one America does not use is the passport .
True story : I went to America to buy some building materials .
I was in Home Depot and bought about $ 700 worth of tools .
When I tried to pay with my credit card , they cashier requested identification so I handed her my British Passport .
She refused to accept it as a valid form of identification so I walked out leaving them with the tools.The idea that an easily obtainable driver 's license is a reliable form of identification is ludicrous , and that the internationally accepted form of ID that gets people into the country is not good enough for a hardware store is equally ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The one America does not use is the passport.
True story: I went to America to buy some building materials.
I was in Home Depot and bought about $700 worth of tools.
When I tried to pay with my credit card, they cashier requested identification so I handed her my British Passport.
She refused to accept it as a valid form of identification so I walked out leaving them with the tools.The idea that an easily obtainable driver's license is a reliable form of identification is ludicrous, and that the internationally accepted form of ID that gets people into the country is not good enough for a hardware store is equally ridiculous.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706207</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706247</id>
	<title>Beep!</title>
	<author>Quiet\_Desperation</author>
	<datestamp>1247685840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Unique Identification Authority</p></div><p>Huh. Did they have a contest to come up with the most Orwellian sounding name? Are they a section of the Department Of Bureaus?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unique Identification AuthorityHuh .
Did they have a contest to come up with the most Orwellian sounding name ?
Are they a section of the Department Of Bureaus ?
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unique Identification AuthorityHuh.
Did they have a contest to come up with the most Orwellian sounding name?
Are they a section of the Department Of Bureaus?
:)
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706591</id>
	<title>Re:Illegal Immigration?</title>
	<author>TheWingThing</author>
	<datestamp>1247687460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They have problems with people trying to get INTO India?  I thought everyone wanted to get out!</p></div><p>Illegal immigrants from Bangladesh and Nepal<br>Terrorists from Pakistan<br>Refugees from Sri Lanka (and to a tiny extent, Burma)</p><p>You need to get out of your little well once in a while.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They have problems with people trying to get INTO India ?
I thought everyone wanted to get out ! Illegal immigrants from Bangladesh and NepalTerrorists from PakistanRefugees from Sri Lanka ( and to a tiny extent , Burma ) You need to get out of your little well once in a while .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have problems with people trying to get INTO India?
I thought everyone wanted to get out!Illegal immigrants from Bangladesh and NepalTerrorists from PakistanRefugees from Sri Lanka (and to a tiny extent, Burma)You need to get out of your little well once in a while.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706079</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706391</id>
	<title>Re:Sick priorities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247686560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its an attempt to improve delivery of social services (e.g. food supplies to the poor), subsidies and also to address security concerns. Or did you think those things happen only in the US?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its an attempt to improve delivery of social services ( e.g .
food supplies to the poor ) , subsidies and also to address security concerns .
Or did you think those things happen only in the US ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its an attempt to improve delivery of social services (e.g.
food supplies to the poor), subsidies and also to address security concerns.
Or did you think those things happen only in the US?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706265</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706359</id>
	<title>Re:Awesome!</title>
	<author>Itninja</author>
	<datestamp>1247686380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's why three-factor security is the only real way to make this work. They have two factors already (something you have (card) and something you are (fingerprint)). Now if they could just close the deal with a PIN code (something you know), that would be the hat trick of security. They could even provide you with a 'duress' PIN that you could give someone if you were at gunpoint. It would automatically lock everything down. And the best part? When the systems that maintains all this fails, you don't have to call some crazy foreigner to get it fixed because you are already in India!</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's why three-factor security is the only real way to make this work .
They have two factors already ( something you have ( card ) and something you are ( fingerprint ) ) .
Now if they could just close the deal with a PIN code ( something you know ) , that would be the hat trick of security .
They could even provide you with a 'duress ' PIN that you could give someone if you were at gunpoint .
It would automatically lock everything down .
And the best part ?
When the systems that maintains all this fails , you do n't have to call some crazy foreigner to get it fixed because you are already in India !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's why three-factor security is the only real way to make this work.
They have two factors already (something you have (card) and something you are (fingerprint)).
Now if they could just close the deal with a PIN code (something you know), that would be the hat trick of security.
They could even provide you with a 'duress' PIN that you could give someone if you were at gunpoint.
It would automatically lock everything down.
And the best part?
When the systems that maintains all this fails, you don't have to call some crazy foreigner to get it fixed because you are already in India!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706083</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706765</id>
	<title>Re:But when will it be done?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247688180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Heh, here in Illinois our voter cards are made of paper and don't even have a photo on them. The election judges seldom ask for them. We're so patriotic that even being dead doesn't keep us from voting!</p><p>Kind of makes you realize how <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George\_Ryan#Scandals.2C\_trial\_and\_conviction" title="wikipedia.org">George Ryan</a> [wikipedia.org] and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod\_Blagojevich#Impeachment\_trial\_and\_removal\_from\_office" title="wikipedia.org">Rod Blagojevich</a> [wikipedia.org] got elected Governor (Ryan is in prison now, Blago was impeached and removed from office and goes to trial next year).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Heh , here in Illinois our voter cards are made of paper and do n't even have a photo on them .
The election judges seldom ask for them .
We 're so patriotic that even being dead does n't keep us from voting ! Kind of makes you realize how George Ryan [ wikipedia.org ] and Rod Blagojevich [ wikipedia.org ] got elected Governor ( Ryan is in prison now , Blago was impeached and removed from office and goes to trial next year ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heh, here in Illinois our voter cards are made of paper and don't even have a photo on them.
The election judges seldom ask for them.
We're so patriotic that even being dead doesn't keep us from voting!Kind of makes you realize how George Ryan [wikipedia.org] and Rod Blagojevich [wikipedia.org] got elected Governor (Ryan is in prison now, Blago was impeached and removed from office and goes to trial next year).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706295</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707125</id>
	<title>Re:Sick priorities</title>
	<author>dodobh</author>
	<datestamp>1247689860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The idea is that the one card will be a \_central\_ identifying entity, instead of the locally issued identifiers which are not valid outside that area.</p><p>This will actually help the poor who migrate to areas with work, but still need subsidised food and cooking gas.</p><p>India also has an immigration problem with Bangladesh and Pakistan. If you live in the US, imagine the entire population of Mexico migrating into the US every year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The idea is that the one card will be a \ _central \ _ identifying entity , instead of the locally issued identifiers which are not valid outside that area.This will actually help the poor who migrate to areas with work , but still need subsidised food and cooking gas.India also has an immigration problem with Bangladesh and Pakistan .
If you live in the US , imagine the entire population of Mexico migrating into the US every year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The idea is that the one card will be a \_central\_ identifying entity, instead of the locally issued identifiers which are not valid outside that area.This will actually help the poor who migrate to areas with work, but still need subsidised food and cooking gas.India also has an immigration problem with Bangladesh and Pakistan.
If you live in the US, imagine the entire population of Mexico migrating into the US every year.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706265</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706699</id>
	<title>Re:Sick priorities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247687940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>if you're right then it's not India blowing the money, it's the NWO</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>if you 're right then it 's not India blowing the money , it 's the NWO</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if you're right then it's not India blowing the money, it's the NWO</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706265</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28714325</id>
	<title>Re:America has over 50 types</title>
	<author>daem0n1x</author>
	<datestamp>1247742120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That's because America has 35 countries.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's because America has 35 countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's because America has 35 countries.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706207</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706923</id>
	<title>The Keeping Tabs Around The World section</title>
	<author>rev\_sanchez</author>
	<datestamp>1247688900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the article: <i>The Bush Administration resisted calls for an identity card in the US after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001</i>.<br>
<br>
I guess it would be more accurate to say, "The Bush Administration resisted calls for an identity card in the US after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REAL\_ID\_Act#Legislative\_history" title="wikipedia.org">until he signed the Real ID Act into law in 2005."</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article : The Bush Administration resisted calls for an identity card in the US after the terrorist attacks on September 11 , 2001 .
I guess it would be more accurate to say , " The Bush Administration resisted calls for an identity card in the US after the terrorist attacks on September 11 , 2001 until he signed the Real ID Act into law in 2005 .
" [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article: The Bush Administration resisted calls for an identity card in the US after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001.
I guess it would be more accurate to say, "The Bush Administration resisted calls for an identity card in the US after the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001 until he signed the Real ID Act into law in 2005.
" [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28708671</id>
	<title>Cards can be lost or stolen</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1247654220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why not just tattoo the information directly onto their forehead or hand?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not just tattoo the information directly onto their forehead or hand ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not just tattoo the information directly onto their forehead or hand?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707937</id>
	<title>Re:Comment on Germany Interesting</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247650440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What can they do to people who go longer than 24 hours without carrying their ID card?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What can they do to people who go longer than 24 hours without carrying their ID card ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What can they do to people who go longer than 24 hours without carrying their ID card?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706201</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706301</id>
	<title>Re:Illegal Immigration?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247686140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>True, everyone wants to get out of india and into the land of milk and honey...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>True , everyone wants to get out of india and into the land of milk and honey.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>True, everyone wants to get out of india and into the land of milk and honey...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706079</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706265</id>
	<title>Sick priorities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247685960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Leaving aside the technicalities of the project for a moment, these are strange priorities. India is not the only country to have lots of starving people and homeless, but instead of feeding them or building homes, they are to piss billions of Dollars giving them ID cards for the New World Order to track them.</p><p>Sick!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Leaving aside the technicalities of the project for a moment , these are strange priorities .
India is not the only country to have lots of starving people and homeless , but instead of feeding them or building homes , they are to piss billions of Dollars giving them ID cards for the New World Order to track them.Sick !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Leaving aside the technicalities of the project for a moment, these are strange priorities.
India is not the only country to have lots of starving people and homeless, but instead of feeding them or building homes, they are to piss billions of Dollars giving them ID cards for the New World Order to track them.Sick!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707927</id>
	<title>Mandatory New World Order post</title>
	<author>aaandre</author>
	<datestamp>1247650380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Watch your Overlords as they beta test your future in 3rd world or smaller countries.</p><p>China, New Zealand, Finland, Thailand: Internet Censorship under different pretexts.<br>India: Biometric IDs.</p><p>Feel free to add to the list.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Watch your Overlords as they beta test your future in 3rd world or smaller countries.China , New Zealand , Finland , Thailand : Internet Censorship under different pretexts.India : Biometric IDs.Feel free to add to the list .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Watch your Overlords as they beta test your future in 3rd world or smaller countries.China, New Zealand, Finland, Thailand: Internet Censorship under different pretexts.India: Biometric IDs.Feel free to add to the list.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706255</id>
	<title>Great use of money guys...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247685900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...Spending billions of dollars on ID cards when a huge percentage of your population is starving to death in the streets -- nice to see that your priorities are in order</htmltext>
<tokenext>...Spending billions of dollars on ID cards when a huge percentage of your population is starving to death in the streets -- nice to see that your priorities are in order</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...Spending billions of dollars on ID cards when a huge percentage of your population is starving to death in the streets -- nice to see that your priorities are in order</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28715817</id>
	<title>Re:America has over 50 types</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1247755260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And your point? It's a good thing that people's objection to specific schemes like this aren't because people are opposed to any form of identity whatsoever.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And your point ?
It 's a good thing that people 's objection to specific schemes like this are n't because people are opposed to any form of identity whatsoever .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And your point?
It's a good thing that people's objection to specific schemes like this aren't because people are opposed to any form of identity whatsoever.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706207</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707031</id>
	<title>Re:Sick priorities</title>
	<author>redmagician</author>
	<datestamp>1247689320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Without proper identification, it becomes to difficult to serve state services (such as unemployment, relaxed microloans, susidized food to lots of 'starving and homeless' people you mentioned in your message, and so on). In my opinion, this should have been implemented several decades ago. US/Canada have Social Security/Social Insurance number and it makes it easier for government to provide state services using that number. India doesn't have anything of that sort (yet).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Without proper identification , it becomes to difficult to serve state services ( such as unemployment , relaxed microloans , susidized food to lots of 'starving and homeless ' people you mentioned in your message , and so on ) .
In my opinion , this should have been implemented several decades ago .
US/Canada have Social Security/Social Insurance number and it makes it easier for government to provide state services using that number .
India does n't have anything of that sort ( yet ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Without proper identification, it becomes to difficult to serve state services (such as unemployment, relaxed microloans, susidized food to lots of 'starving and homeless' people you mentioned in your message, and so on).
In my opinion, this should have been implemented several decades ago.
US/Canada have Social Security/Social Insurance number and it makes it easier for government to provide state services using that number.
India doesn't have anything of that sort (yet).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706265</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28713279</id>
	<title>Somebody's making a lot of money</title>
	<author>anushr</author>
	<datestamp>1247686320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is not the first time India has sought to distribute a "universal" identity card. You have ration cards, PAN cards, state ID cards,... the list goes on. Each time they do this, some contractor who manufactures the cards (usually one owned by some politician), make an obscene amount of money. I guarantee you that 5-6 years down the line, there will be a new drive to push another "universal" identity card.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not the first time India has sought to distribute a " universal " identity card .
You have ration cards , PAN cards , state ID cards,... the list goes on .
Each time they do this , some contractor who manufactures the cards ( usually one owned by some politician ) , make an obscene amount of money .
I guarantee you that 5-6 years down the line , there will be a new drive to push another " universal " identity card .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not the first time India has sought to distribute a "universal" identity card.
You have ration cards, PAN cards, state ID cards,... the list goes on.
Each time they do this, some contractor who manufactures the cards (usually one owned by some politician), make an obscene amount of money.
I guarantee you that 5-6 years down the line, there will be a new drive to push another "universal" identity card.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28711453</id>
	<title>How do you explain this discrepancy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247669880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're the expert, and claim Illinois has some cast iron ID. How do you then explain the millions of illegal aliens who freely live there, buy homes, drive cars, get bank accounts, get welfare, get utility accounts and cellphone accounts, etc? What are they using for ID and where do they get it, and as a follow up, why doesn't it stop? Doesn't this disprove how technically sophisticated the Illinois ID and system is? I read you state some of the ID machines were stolen..well..if they are compromised shouldn't they go to a different system them? Don't the ID cards themselves have an indicator and tag from which machine they were produced from, so that those people caught using bogus but official-looking ID could get nabbed? Even cheap printers have that now.</p><p>If it is like my state, I can answer those questions. Perhaps it is similar where you are and the problem isn't technical, but political.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Orders from the government to just look the other way and accept *anything* at all for ID from anyone who doesn't speak English as their first language. I have seen this occur on more than one occasion now. Regular folks who were born here and have the appropriate accent have to produce reams of documentation to get real ID, such as at the DMV,  illegal aliens, hardly anything but a photocopy of some created drivel. Watched it real time down there getting my renewal, they even have a special clerk to help them. You can stand in line right there and watch this go down.. It's like they are a special protected class. I have personally watched this happen also in my bank as well, born here, have to produce ID to get an account, barely speak English, or don't speak any at all, the bank clerks just fill the paperwork out for them and no ID is even needed, I watched this happen.</p><p>Just wondering how it is in Illinois, I am in another state with a huge illegal alien problem. It exists because apparently the powers that be choose to want it to exist, no other reason that I can see for it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're the expert , and claim Illinois has some cast iron ID .
How do you then explain the millions of illegal aliens who freely live there , buy homes , drive cars , get bank accounts , get welfare , get utility accounts and cellphone accounts , etc ?
What are they using for ID and where do they get it , and as a follow up , why does n't it stop ?
Does n't this disprove how technically sophisticated the Illinois ID and system is ?
I read you state some of the ID machines were stolen..well..if they are compromised should n't they go to a different system them ?
Do n't the ID cards themselves have an indicator and tag from which machine they were produced from , so that those people caught using bogus but official-looking ID could get nabbed ?
Even cheap printers have that now.If it is like my state , I can answer those questions .
Perhaps it is similar where you are and the problem is n't technical , but political .
    Orders from the government to just look the other way and accept * anything * at all for ID from anyone who does n't speak English as their first language .
I have seen this occur on more than one occasion now .
Regular folks who were born here and have the appropriate accent have to produce reams of documentation to get real ID , such as at the DMV , illegal aliens , hardly anything but a photocopy of some created drivel .
Watched it real time down there getting my renewal , they even have a special clerk to help them .
You can stand in line right there and watch this go down.. It 's like they are a special protected class .
I have personally watched this happen also in my bank as well , born here , have to produce ID to get an account , barely speak English , or do n't speak any at all , the bank clerks just fill the paperwork out for them and no ID is even needed , I watched this happen.Just wondering how it is in Illinois , I am in another state with a huge illegal alien problem .
It exists because apparently the powers that be choose to want it to exist , no other reason that I can see for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're the expert, and claim Illinois has some cast iron ID.
How do you then explain the millions of illegal aliens who freely live there, buy homes, drive cars, get bank accounts, get welfare, get utility accounts and cellphone accounts, etc?
What are they using for ID and where do they get it, and as a follow up, why doesn't it stop?
Doesn't this disprove how technically sophisticated the Illinois ID and system is?
I read you state some of the ID machines were stolen..well..if they are compromised shouldn't they go to a different system them?
Don't the ID cards themselves have an indicator and tag from which machine they were produced from, so that those people caught using bogus but official-looking ID could get nabbed?
Even cheap printers have that now.If it is like my state, I can answer those questions.
Perhaps it is similar where you are and the problem isn't technical, but political.
    Orders from the government to just look the other way and accept *anything* at all for ID from anyone who doesn't speak English as their first language.
I have seen this occur on more than one occasion now.
Regular folks who were born here and have the appropriate accent have to produce reams of documentation to get real ID, such as at the DMV,  illegal aliens, hardly anything but a photocopy of some created drivel.
Watched it real time down there getting my renewal, they even have a special clerk to help them.
You can stand in line right there and watch this go down.. It's like they are a special protected class.
I have personally watched this happen also in my bank as well, born here, have to produce ID to get an account, barely speak English, or don't speak any at all, the bank clerks just fill the paperwork out for them and no ID is even needed, I watched this happen.Just wondering how it is in Illinois, I am in another state with a huge illegal alien problem.
It exists because apparently the powers that be choose to want it to exist, no other reason that I can see for it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707643</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707589</id>
	<title>Numbers game...</title>
	<author>WheelDweller</author>
	<datestamp>1247648760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OK, so 6B on the planet, at least 2B are Chinese...they're going to get biometrics from 1/2 the country?</p><p>OH!  That'd be the 'untouchables', those who do the grunt work and die in the streets.</p><p>(If it were untrue, you could complain....)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , so 6B on the planet , at least 2B are Chinese...they 're going to get biometrics from 1/2 the country ? OH !
That 'd be the 'untouchables ' , those who do the grunt work and die in the streets .
( If it were untrue , you could complain.... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, so 6B on the planet, at least 2B are Chinese...they're going to get biometrics from 1/2 the country?OH!
That'd be the 'untouchables', those who do the grunt work and die in the streets.
(If it were untrue, you could complain....)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706165</id>
	<title>Assign them numbers.</title>
	<author>olsmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1247685360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Every single person in India should be assigned a 30-bit identification number.  Problem solved!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Every single person in India should be assigned a 30-bit identification number .
Problem solved !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every single person in India should be assigned a 30-bit identification number.
Problem solved!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706147</id>
	<title>Oblig. quote</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247685240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have." -- Gerald R. Ford, in an address to a joint session of Congress on August 12, 1974</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have .
" -- Gerald R. Ford , in an address to a joint session of Congress on August 12 , 1974</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have.
" -- Gerald R. Ford, in an address to a joint session of Congress on August 12, 1974</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28713327</id>
	<title>Re:We needed this ...</title>
	<author>jawahar</author>
	<datestamp>1247686920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Instead of wasting 10,000 crores tax payers money on this UID project,
Govt must compulsorily issue PASSPORTS to all Indian Citizens at a nominal fee of 10 rupees.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of wasting 10,000 crores tax payers money on this UID project , Govt must compulsorily issue PASSPORTS to all Indian Citizens at a nominal fee of 10 rupees .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of wasting 10,000 crores tax payers money on this UID project,
Govt must compulsorily issue PASSPORTS to all Indian Citizens at a nominal fee of 10 rupees.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707117</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707341</id>
	<title>Re:Assign them numbers.</title>
	<author>dodobh</author>
	<datestamp>1247690880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We'll just use a pair of 128 bit numbers. One which identifies your current status. The other identifies your presence to the public world.</p><p>Then we'll just route them<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 'll just use a pair of 128 bit numbers .
One which identifies your current status .
The other identifies your presence to the public world.Then we 'll just route them ; ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We'll just use a pair of 128 bit numbers.
One which identifies your current status.
The other identifies your presence to the public world.Then we'll just route them ;).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706165</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28708917</id>
	<title>Re:Beep!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247655300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The word you're looking for is Authoritarian, not Orwellian.</p><p>An Orwellian name should imply the opposite of the actual function of a bureaucratic organization. Like our Department of Defense which has exclusively conducted invasions for the past 50+ years.</p><p>For this to be a truly Orwellian name it should be something like the, "Citizen's Privacy Department".</p><p>Of course thinking about it more, the fact that these cards will have so many problems and will be abused so much due the corruption that supposedly exists in India makes the cards likely to have the exact opposite of intended effect; instead of uniquely identifying citizens they will compound the problem of identification. Thus the name of the department becomes accidentally Orwellian.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The word you 're looking for is Authoritarian , not Orwellian.An Orwellian name should imply the opposite of the actual function of a bureaucratic organization .
Like our Department of Defense which has exclusively conducted invasions for the past 50 + years.For this to be a truly Orwellian name it should be something like the , " Citizen 's Privacy Department " .Of course thinking about it more , the fact that these cards will have so many problems and will be abused so much due the corruption that supposedly exists in India makes the cards likely to have the exact opposite of intended effect ; instead of uniquely identifying citizens they will compound the problem of identification .
Thus the name of the department becomes accidentally Orwellian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The word you're looking for is Authoritarian, not Orwellian.An Orwellian name should imply the opposite of the actual function of a bureaucratic organization.
Like our Department of Defense which has exclusively conducted invasions for the past 50+ years.For this to be a truly Orwellian name it should be something like the, "Citizen's Privacy Department".Of course thinking about it more, the fact that these cards will have so many problems and will be abused so much due the corruption that supposedly exists in India makes the cards likely to have the exact opposite of intended effect; instead of uniquely identifying citizens they will compound the problem of identification.
Thus the name of the department becomes accidentally Orwellian.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706247</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706483</id>
	<title>They have problems with bad census?</title>
	<author>gurps\_npc</author>
	<datestamp>1247687040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are many bad ideas about a biometric id card, but the one good thing about it should be the ability to FIX the problems they mentioned with no accurate census.

Each person gets one card, they give fingerprints and show some kind of name proof.   If the fingerprint is in the system, you don't get another ID.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are many bad ideas about a biometric id card , but the one good thing about it should be the ability to FIX the problems they mentioned with no accurate census .
Each person gets one card , they give fingerprints and show some kind of name proof .
If the fingerprint is in the system , you do n't get another ID .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are many bad ideas about a biometric id card, but the one good thing about it should be the ability to FIX the problems they mentioned with no accurate census.
Each person gets one card, they give fingerprints and show some kind of name proof.
If the fingerprint is in the system, you don't get another ID.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707321</id>
	<title>Re:Beep!</title>
	<author>martas</author>
	<datestamp>1247690820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>could be worse. they could have called it Big Brother's Phonebook. but i guess the UK has dibs on that name...</htmltext>
<tokenext>could be worse .
they could have called it Big Brother 's Phonebook .
but i guess the UK has dibs on that name.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>could be worse.
they could have called it Big Brother's Phonebook.
but i guess the UK has dibs on that name...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706247</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707881</id>
	<title>wtf</title>
	<author>Thaelon</author>
	<datestamp>1247650200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>less than 7\% of the population is registered for income tax, and voter lists are thought to be inaccurate, partly due to corruption</p></div></blockquote><p>So the reason the current system don't work is only 7\% of the population is paying income tax, and there is lots of corruption.</p><p>So the solution is a massive new government <a href="http://www.randsinrepose.com/archives/2009/07/13/the\_words\_you\_wear.html" title="randsinrepose.com">initiative</a> [randsinrepose.com] to work around the cause of the current problems.</p><p>Yep, sounds like bureaucracy to me.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>less than 7 \ % of the population is registered for income tax , and voter lists are thought to be inaccurate , partly due to corruptionSo the reason the current system do n't work is only 7 \ % of the population is paying income tax , and there is lots of corruption.So the solution is a massive new government initiative [ randsinrepose.com ] to work around the cause of the current problems.Yep , sounds like bureaucracy to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>less than 7\% of the population is registered for income tax, and voter lists are thought to be inaccurate, partly due to corruptionSo the reason the current system don't work is only 7\% of the population is paying income tax, and there is lots of corruption.So the solution is a massive new government initiative [randsinrepose.com] to work around the cause of the current problems.Yep, sounds like bureaucracy to me.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706295</id>
	<title>But when will it be done?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247686080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not that I look forward to being in a huge database, but I am curious how long it will take given that things are so chaotic in India.</p><p>Some years ago when the government decided to issue voter cards for everyone eligible to vote, everyone in my family who qualified went to get photographed etc and some months later the cards turned up... with everyone's data mixed up. So my father was not only a woman but the daughter of my sister who happened to be the wife of my mother and so on. And pretty much every family in the neighborhood had their's screwed up as well.</p><p>So one billion people and at least two trials.. I would give the program at least 10 years - and that is being optimistic, I think.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not that I look forward to being in a huge database , but I am curious how long it will take given that things are so chaotic in India.Some years ago when the government decided to issue voter cards for everyone eligible to vote , everyone in my family who qualified went to get photographed etc and some months later the cards turned up... with everyone 's data mixed up .
So my father was not only a woman but the daughter of my sister who happened to be the wife of my mother and so on .
And pretty much every family in the neighborhood had their 's screwed up as well.So one billion people and at least two trials.. I would give the program at least 10 years - and that is being optimistic , I think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not that I look forward to being in a huge database, but I am curious how long it will take given that things are so chaotic in India.Some years ago when the government decided to issue voter cards for everyone eligible to vote, everyone in my family who qualified went to get photographed etc and some months later the cards turned up... with everyone's data mixed up.
So my father was not only a woman but the daughter of my sister who happened to be the wife of my mother and so on.
And pretty much every family in the neighborhood had their's screwed up as well.So one billion people and at least two trials.. I would give the program at least 10 years - and that is being optimistic, I think.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707439</id>
	<title>32-bit IDs</title>
	<author>cpghost</author>
	<datestamp>1247691300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well I hope the Indian government knows that the 32-bit ID space is probably a tad too cramped...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well I hope the Indian government knows that the 32-bit ID space is probably a tad too cramped.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well I hope the Indian government knows that the 32-bit ID space is probably a tad too cramped...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707793</id>
	<title>Indian Democracy</title>
	<author>AliasTheRoot</author>
	<datestamp>1247649840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having spent a lot of time in India, those guys couldn't organize a meeting about writing an article about a potential piss up in a brewery. And this is the private sector, as soon as the Government gets involved there would be 400 forms to fill out in triplicate before discussing the running of the meeting (or the "runnage" of the meeting). And lets hope the people wanting to start the meeting are licensed organisers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having spent a lot of time in India , those guys could n't organize a meeting about writing an article about a potential piss up in a brewery .
And this is the private sector , as soon as the Government gets involved there would be 400 forms to fill out in triplicate before discussing the running of the meeting ( or the " runnage " of the meeting ) .
And lets hope the people wanting to start the meeting are licensed organisers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having spent a lot of time in India, those guys couldn't organize a meeting about writing an article about a potential piss up in a brewery.
And this is the private sector, as soon as the Government gets involved there would be 400 forms to fill out in triplicate before discussing the running of the meeting (or the "runnage" of the meeting).
And lets hope the people wanting to start the meeting are licensed organisers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707925</id>
	<title>Wont Change a thing..</title>
	<author>subrato</author>
	<datestamp>1247650380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Say what you will, but I know India is too corrupt for anything. People commenting on the fact that there is too much illegal immigration from all the places in India, tend to forget that getting something like this ID is going to be easy for those people too once it is known how the system works. The government officials are too corrupt and too poor to not take a bribe for any work. So once you have enough money and know correct people, getting anything done in India is not a big deal. Now to deal with such a problem, the government has to start off by implementing the rules to curb the population. I know not one politician would have any balls to speak about the issue. Hell there are some politicians who have more kids themselves and will try to stop any kind of legislation to be passed for the same.

None of the politicians give a dime about what the common man will suffer. Providing basic facilities for these people is just a promise for every politician in India and it shall always remain that way. For all this to change, may be the current and probably the next generation will have to make more compromises than many are willing to but change doesnt come overnight and it certainly doesnt without a cost.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Say what you will , but I know India is too corrupt for anything .
People commenting on the fact that there is too much illegal immigration from all the places in India , tend to forget that getting something like this ID is going to be easy for those people too once it is known how the system works .
The government officials are too corrupt and too poor to not take a bribe for any work .
So once you have enough money and know correct people , getting anything done in India is not a big deal .
Now to deal with such a problem , the government has to start off by implementing the rules to curb the population .
I know not one politician would have any balls to speak about the issue .
Hell there are some politicians who have more kids themselves and will try to stop any kind of legislation to be passed for the same .
None of the politicians give a dime about what the common man will suffer .
Providing basic facilities for these people is just a promise for every politician in India and it shall always remain that way .
For all this to change , may be the current and probably the next generation will have to make more compromises than many are willing to but change doesnt come overnight and it certainly doesnt without a cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Say what you will, but I know India is too corrupt for anything.
People commenting on the fact that there is too much illegal immigration from all the places in India, tend to forget that getting something like this ID is going to be easy for those people too once it is known how the system works.
The government officials are too corrupt and too poor to not take a bribe for any work.
So once you have enough money and know correct people, getting anything done in India is not a big deal.
Now to deal with such a problem, the government has to start off by implementing the rules to curb the population.
I know not one politician would have any balls to speak about the issue.
Hell there are some politicians who have more kids themselves and will try to stop any kind of legislation to be passed for the same.
None of the politicians give a dime about what the common man will suffer.
Providing basic facilities for these people is just a promise for every politician in India and it shall always remain that way.
For all this to change, may be the current and probably the next generation will have to make more compromises than many are willing to but change doesnt come overnight and it certainly doesnt without a cost.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706089</id>
	<title>Billionth Indian</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247685000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hope they don't have to stand in a queue!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope they do n't have to stand in a queue !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope they don't have to stand in a queue!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706389</id>
	<title>Your Rights in Meatspace</title>
	<author>Qubit</author>
	<datestamp>1247686560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, I agree that we need a new Slashdot category.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I agree that we need a new Slashdot category .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I agree that we need a new Slashdot category.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706207</id>
	<title>America has over 50 types</title>
	<author>davidwr</author>
	<datestamp>1247685600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>America has over 50 types of commonly used ID, and that's not even counting the several types of ID cards and drivers licenses that some states have, nor does it count military IDs, civilian-government-employee IDs, university-issued IDs, passports, and more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>America has over 50 types of commonly used ID , and that 's not even counting the several types of ID cards and drivers licenses that some states have , nor does it count military IDs , civilian-government-employee IDs , university-issued IDs , passports , and more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>America has over 50 types of commonly used ID, and that's not even counting the several types of ID cards and drivers licenses that some states have, nor does it count military IDs, civilian-government-employee IDs, university-issued IDs, passports, and more.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706163</id>
	<title>One billion</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247685360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>a new state department in India charged with assigning every living Indian an exclusive number and biometric ID card. </i></p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; OK, 1 billion should just about cover all the Indians living in the UK, Canada and the US, but what about all the rest?</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; PS: It's a joke. I for one welcome our corner store/curry house operating Indian overlords. Thank you come again!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>a new state department in India charged with assigning every living Indian an exclusive number and biometric ID card .
      OK , 1 billion should just about cover all the Indians living in the UK , Canada and the US , but what about all the rest ?
      PS : It 's a joke .
I for one welcome our corner store/curry house operating Indian overlords .
Thank you come again !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a new state department in India charged with assigning every living Indian an exclusive number and biometric ID card.
      OK, 1 billion should just about cover all the Indians living in the UK, Canada and the US, but what about all the rest?
      PS: It's a joke.
I for one welcome our corner store/curry house operating Indian overlords.
Thank you come again!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706379</id>
	<title>Greater Brahmanistan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247686500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A country that level of poverty and illiteracy that builds atomic weapons capable of attacking the United States does not have it's priorities in order. Perhaps Indians should redirect their energies to fixing their social problems at home.</p><p>I wonder what the justification is.  Keep out illegal alien American guest worker programmers and hotel operators?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A country that level of poverty and illiteracy that builds atomic weapons capable of attacking the United States does not have it 's priorities in order .
Perhaps Indians should redirect their energies to fixing their social problems at home.I wonder what the justification is .
Keep out illegal alien American guest worker programmers and hotel operators ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A country that level of poverty and illiteracy that builds atomic weapons capable of attacking the United States does not have it's priorities in order.
Perhaps Indians should redirect their energies to fixing their social problems at home.I wonder what the justification is.
Keep out illegal alien American guest worker programmers and hotel operators?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28713581</id>
	<title>Re:Beep!</title>
	<author>ignavus</author>
	<datestamp>1247776140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Unique Identification Authority</p></div><p>Huh. Did they have a contest to come up with the most Orwellian sounding name? Are they a section of the Department Of Bureaus?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></div><p>Apparently they hang out next door to the Ambiguous Identification Authority.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Unique Identification AuthorityHuh .
Did they have a contest to come up with the most Orwellian sounding name ?
Are they a section of the Department Of Bureaus ?
: ) Apparently they hang out next door to the Ambiguous Identification Authority .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unique Identification AuthorityHuh.
Did they have a contest to come up with the most Orwellian sounding name?
Are they a section of the Department Of Bureaus?
:)Apparently they hang out next door to the Ambiguous Identification Authority.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706247</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706309</id>
	<title>Got backups?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247686140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lets just hope that these guys learn from the Germans and have a GOOD BACKUP of the private key for the CA.  Although, I wonder how much the manufacturer of the cards would be willing to pay the operators to "loose" the backup tape.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lets just hope that these guys learn from the Germans and have a GOOD BACKUP of the private key for the CA .
Although , I wonder how much the manufacturer of the cards would be willing to pay the operators to " loose " the backup tape .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lets just hope that these guys learn from the Germans and have a GOOD BACKUP of the private key for the CA.
Although, I wonder how much the manufacturer of the cards would be willing to pay the operators to "loose" the backup tape.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28708031</id>
	<title>Re:Sick priorities</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247650920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually this your comment that is sick. Any idea why the people are starving even when there is food rotting in the warehouses that government bought to maintain market prices? They have multiple food-for-work programs but can not manage the program in the absence of unique identifier of the recipients.</p><p>So IT can actually help feed starving millions. Surprise surprise, who would have though technology was of any use in bringing prosperity to masses?</p><p>Come down from your high horses and start thinking. IT has applications beyond assuring wages for PC sys-admins like you.</p><p>-AC</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually this your comment that is sick .
Any idea why the people are starving even when there is food rotting in the warehouses that government bought to maintain market prices ?
They have multiple food-for-work programs but can not manage the program in the absence of unique identifier of the recipients.So IT can actually help feed starving millions .
Surprise surprise , who would have though technology was of any use in bringing prosperity to masses ? Come down from your high horses and start thinking .
IT has applications beyond assuring wages for PC sys-admins like you.-AC</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually this your comment that is sick.
Any idea why the people are starving even when there is food rotting in the warehouses that government bought to maintain market prices?
They have multiple food-for-work programs but can not manage the program in the absence of unique identifier of the recipients.So IT can actually help feed starving millions.
Surprise surprise, who would have though technology was of any use in bringing prosperity to masses?Come down from your high horses and start thinking.
IT has applications beyond assuring wages for PC sys-admins like you.-AC</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706265</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706111</id>
	<title>Difficulty</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247685120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Issuing the cards may be difficult</i></p><p>But spending the money sure won't.</p><p>In the business of government, as long as the money passes through your hands, you win.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Issuing the cards may be difficultBut spending the money sure wo n't.In the business of government , as long as the money passes through your hands , you win .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Issuing the cards may be difficultBut spending the money sure won't.In the business of government, as long as the money passes through your hands, you win.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707269</id>
	<title>Oh well...</title>
	<author>OneSmartFellow</author>
	<datestamp>1247690580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>...I guess the insignificant problems of clean water and clean air, safe roads and reliable electricity can wait, as long as some idiotic solution to a non-extant problem can be pursued !<br> <br>Sorry I can't be bothered to find the appropriate links to back me up, please see some of my previous posts on the miserable state of infrastructure in India.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...I guess the insignificant problems of clean water and clean air , safe roads and reliable electricity can wait , as long as some idiotic solution to a non-extant problem can be pursued !
Sorry I ca n't be bothered to find the appropriate links to back me up , please see some of my previous posts on the miserable state of infrastructure in India .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...I guess the insignificant problems of clean water and clean air, safe roads and reliable electricity can wait, as long as some idiotic solution to a non-extant problem can be pursued !
Sorry I can't be bothered to find the appropriate links to back me up, please see some of my previous posts on the miserable state of infrastructure in India.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706685</id>
	<title>Re:I have a biometric ID and so do you</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1247687880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Except that if Illinois is like many states, the fact that your photograph is on your license doesn't do the DMV any good when you have lost your license. Most states don't have your photograph on file. They send you a renewal form. You sign it and send it back along with the fee for renewal. They send you a form that you take to the appropriate location where your picture is taken and a license is printed with your picture on it. This picture never enters the state's database.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that if Illinois is like many states , the fact that your photograph is on your license does n't do the DMV any good when you have lost your license .
Most states do n't have your photograph on file .
They send you a renewal form .
You sign it and send it back along with the fee for renewal .
They send you a form that you take to the appropriate location where your picture is taken and a license is printed with your picture on it .
This picture never enters the state 's database .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that if Illinois is like many states, the fact that your photograph is on your license doesn't do the DMV any good when you have lost your license.
Most states don't have your photograph on file.
They send you a renewal form.
You sign it and send it back along with the fee for renewal.
They send you a form that you take to the appropriate location where your picture is taken and a license is printed with your picture on it.
This picture never enters the state's database.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706229</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706773</id>
	<title>Re:Sick priorities</title>
	<author>gad\_zuki!</author>
	<datestamp>1247688240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Theres only so much you can do for poverty. Programs are already in place for them.</p><p>Its no different in the rest of the world. Government makes priorities and budgets. Id hate to see an entire nation held back because there will always be poor people. Cannibalizing the good parts of government to just hand out meals is never a sustainable policy.</p><p>That said, there can be social goods from good accounting like this. More people paying taxes, better census, jobs created, better tracking of migrations, identification of criminals, etc etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Theres only so much you can do for poverty .
Programs are already in place for them.Its no different in the rest of the world .
Government makes priorities and budgets .
Id hate to see an entire nation held back because there will always be poor people .
Cannibalizing the good parts of government to just hand out meals is never a sustainable policy.That said , there can be social goods from good accounting like this .
More people paying taxes , better census , jobs created , better tracking of migrations , identification of criminals , etc etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Theres only so much you can do for poverty.
Programs are already in place for them.Its no different in the rest of the world.
Government makes priorities and budgets.
Id hate to see an entire nation held back because there will always be poor people.
Cannibalizing the good parts of government to just hand out meals is never a sustainable policy.That said, there can be social goods from good accounting like this.
More people paying taxes, better census, jobs created, better tracking of migrations, identification of criminals, etc etc.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706265</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706229</id>
	<title>I have a biometric ID and so do you</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1247685780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My driver's license has my photograph. Is that not a biometric?</p><p>When my wallet was stolen all I should simply had to go to the DMV and sign something, which would have verified my signature, and my photo would have verified that it was me. When I was pulled over, all I had to do was tell the cop my SS number and he could see that I was me and was licensed (I was warned to fix my tail light).</p><p>The DMV required an alternate form of ID (I'd already replaced my YMCA card; the Y was where the wallet was stolen) and a bank statement to verify my signature.</p><p>I think Illinois needs a new Secretary of State. The process was ludicrous, even though it only took a few minutes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My driver 's license has my photograph .
Is that not a biometric ? When my wallet was stolen all I should simply had to go to the DMV and sign something , which would have verified my signature , and my photo would have verified that it was me .
When I was pulled over , all I had to do was tell the cop my SS number and he could see that I was me and was licensed ( I was warned to fix my tail light ) .The DMV required an alternate form of ID ( I 'd already replaced my YMCA card ; the Y was where the wallet was stolen ) and a bank statement to verify my signature.I think Illinois needs a new Secretary of State .
The process was ludicrous , even though it only took a few minutes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My driver's license has my photograph.
Is that not a biometric?When my wallet was stolen all I should simply had to go to the DMV and sign something, which would have verified my signature, and my photo would have verified that it was me.
When I was pulled over, all I had to do was tell the cop my SS number and he could see that I was me and was licensed (I was warned to fix my tail light).The DMV required an alternate form of ID (I'd already replaced my YMCA card; the Y was where the wallet was stolen) and a bank statement to verify my signature.I think Illinois needs a new Secretary of State.
The process was ludicrous, even though it only took a few minutes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28706185</id>
	<title>Hmmmm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247685480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder how many Bob Maharajapurams there are.  I seem to get him every time I call tech support.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder how many Bob Maharajapurams there are .
I seem to get him every time I call tech support .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder how many Bob Maharajapurams there are.
I seem to get him every time I call tech support.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_15_1755246.28707117</id>
	<title>We needed this ...</title>
	<author>Sukhbir</author>
	<datestamp>1247689800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>very badly. Considering there are different cards for almost everything in which you need an identification check, this was long required.

I have card A for casting my vote, B for getting my LPG supply for cooking, C for getting subsidized food. If I lose any one of them, I have to go through the entire process again which involves around four to five working days and bribing corrupt government officials who are not ready to work.

For getting a thing as simple as cellphone connection, I have to submit at least 3 identification documents - my voter card, my driving license and a college confirmation letter (in case you are a student). This has been done to check the use of mobile phones by terrorists, but since there is no standardized identification, it hurts the common man who just needs to get his work done.

We are all looking forward to this. Lets just hope it gets through.</htmltext>
<tokenext>very badly .
Considering there are different cards for almost everything in which you need an identification check , this was long required .
I have card A for casting my vote , B for getting my LPG supply for cooking , C for getting subsidized food .
If I lose any one of them , I have to go through the entire process again which involves around four to five working days and bribing corrupt government officials who are not ready to work .
For getting a thing as simple as cellphone connection , I have to submit at least 3 identification documents - my voter card , my driving license and a college confirmation letter ( in case you are a student ) .
This has been done to check the use of mobile phones by terrorists , but since there is no standardized identification , it hurts the common man who just needs to get his work done .
We are all looking forward to this .
Lets just hope it gets through .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>very badly.
Considering there are different cards for almost everything in which you need an identification check, this was long required.
I have card A for casting my vote, B for getting my LPG supply for cooking, C for getting subsidized food.
If I lose any one of them, I have to go through the entire process again which involves around four to five working days and bribing corrupt government officials who are not ready to work.
For getting a thing as simple as cellphone connection, I have to submit at least 3 identification documents - my voter card, my driving license and a college confirmation letter (in case you are a student).
This has been done to check the use of mobile phones by terrorists, but since there is no standardized identification, it hurts the common man who just needs to get his work done.
We are all looking forward to this.
Lets just hope it gets through.</sentencetext>
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