<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_13_2148232</id>
	<title>Tracking a Move Via "Find My iPhone"</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1247510700000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:dmolnar@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">dmolnar</a> writes <i>"I recently helped my girlfriend move her stuff from Chicago, IL to Oakland, CA. The movers were scheduled to arrive at 8AM on the 5th of July, and we were stressing the day before about all the things that could go wrong with a move. We realized that if we knew where her stuff was, it'd make us feel better. This is <a href="http://ephermata.livejournal.com/204026.html">a story about using the $99 iPhone to track the move</a> ... and about a somewhat surprising potential use of Find My iPhone to track your friends' iPhones without them noticing."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>dmolnar writes " I recently helped my girlfriend move her stuff from Chicago , IL to Oakland , CA .
The movers were scheduled to arrive at 8AM on the 5th of July , and we were stressing the day before about all the things that could go wrong with a move .
We realized that if we knew where her stuff was , it 'd make us feel better .
This is a story about using the $ 99 iPhone to track the move ... and about a somewhat surprising potential use of Find My iPhone to track your friends ' iPhones without them noticing .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dmolnar writes "I recently helped my girlfriend move her stuff from Chicago, IL to Oakland, CA.
The movers were scheduled to arrive at 8AM on the 5th of July, and we were stressing the day before about all the things that could go wrong with a move.
We realized that if we knew where her stuff was, it'd make us feel better.
This is a story about using the $99 iPhone to track the move ... and about a somewhat surprising potential use of Find My iPhone to track your friends' iPhones without them noticing.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28692407</id>
	<title>Re:Much cheaper...</title>
	<author>FatdogHaiku</author>
	<datestamp>1247592120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>it's like renting a car for a week, but if you cancel within 24 hours you get to keep the car.</p></div><p>Hey, let's work some bailout money into that deal... Then you rent the car for a week, cancel in 24 hours, and you get to keep the rental company... but you have to pay everyone involved a bonus for doing such a good job.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it 's like renting a car for a week , but if you cancel within 24 hours you get to keep the car.Hey , let 's work some bailout money into that deal... Then you rent the car for a week , cancel in 24 hours , and you get to keep the rental company... but you have to pay everyone involved a bonus for doing such a good job .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it's like renting a car for a week, but if you cancel within 24 hours you get to keep the car.Hey, let's work some bailout money into that deal... Then you rent the car for a week, cancel in 24 hours, and you get to keep the rental company... but you have to pay everyone involved a bonus for doing such a good job.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687863</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28688485</id>
	<title>Ahem...not the right device for the job</title>
	<author>FreeUser</author>
	<datestamp>1247571300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This device wouldn't have been fit for purpose:</p><p>quoting the first and second link you provided:</p><blockquote><div><p>[...]<br>- Built-in SIRF StarIII Chipset, excellent for fixing the position even at a weak signal status.<br>- Built-in GSM/GPRS module, supports 2-frequency GSM 900/1800 MHz, <b>working in Europe (not in America).</b><br>[...]</p></div></blockquote><p>(emphesis mine)</p><p>Since he wanted to track goods shipping from Chicago to California (i.e. in America), this device wouldn't have worked for him at all.  US GSM carriers use different frequencies than Europe (which is why those of us using cell phones in both places need Quad-band phones).  Now there may well be a North American variant of this device that would work (I don't have time to dig it up if it exists), but the links as shown do not provide a viable alternative for task.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This device would n't have been fit for purpose : quoting the first and second link you provided : [ ... ] - Built-in SIRF StarIII Chipset , excellent for fixing the position even at a weak signal status.- Built-in GSM/GPRS module , supports 2-frequency GSM 900/1800 MHz , working in Europe ( not in America ) . [ .. .
] ( emphesis mine ) Since he wanted to track goods shipping from Chicago to California ( i.e .
in America ) , this device would n't have worked for him at all .
US GSM carriers use different frequencies than Europe ( which is why those of us using cell phones in both places need Quad-band phones ) .
Now there may well be a North American variant of this device that would work ( I do n't have time to dig it up if it exists ) , but the links as shown do not provide a viable alternative for task .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This device wouldn't have been fit for purpose:quoting the first and second link you provided:[...]- Built-in SIRF StarIII Chipset, excellent for fixing the position even at a weak signal status.- Built-in GSM/GPRS module, supports 2-frequency GSM 900/1800 MHz, working in Europe (not in America).[...
](emphesis mine)Since he wanted to track goods shipping from Chicago to California (i.e.
in America), this device wouldn't have worked for him at all.
US GSM carriers use different frequencies than Europe (which is why those of us using cell phones in both places need Quad-band phones).
Now there may well be a North American variant of this device that would work (I don't have time to dig it up if it exists), but the links as shown do not provide a viable alternative for task.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28689693</id>
	<title>Re:Much cheaper...</title>
	<author>smallfries</author>
	<datestamp>1247580420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the truck acts as a Faraday cage why would it block GPS but let through cellphone traffic? They are both just radio on different frequencies after all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the truck acts as a Faraday cage why would it block GPS but let through cellphone traffic ?
They are both just radio on different frequencies after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the truck acts as a Faraday cage why would it block GPS but let through cellphone traffic?
They are both just radio on different frequencies after all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28688167</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687863</id>
	<title>Re:Much cheaper...</title>
	<author>YourExperiment</author>
	<datestamp>1247564220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What does a iPhone cost without the data plan? (Say the phone broke and you need a new one, not to mention you just signed up for 2 years)</p></div><p>From reading the article (I know, sorry!) it seems they believed there was a clause in the AT&amp;T contract which allowed them to cancel within 30 days and keep the iPhone.</p><p>I think they might have been mistaken about that, since AT&amp;T are unlikely to make much money giving away iPhones for free. To use everyone's favourite analogy, it's like renting a car for a week, but if you cancel within 24 hours you get to keep the car.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What does a iPhone cost without the data plan ?
( Say the phone broke and you need a new one , not to mention you just signed up for 2 years ) From reading the article ( I know , sorry !
) it seems they believed there was a clause in the AT&amp;T contract which allowed them to cancel within 30 days and keep the iPhone.I think they might have been mistaken about that , since AT&amp;T are unlikely to make much money giving away iPhones for free .
To use everyone 's favourite analogy , it 's like renting a car for a week , but if you cancel within 24 hours you get to keep the car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What does a iPhone cost without the data plan?
(Say the phone broke and you need a new one, not to mention you just signed up for 2 years)From reading the article (I know, sorry!
) it seems they believed there was a clause in the AT&amp;T contract which allowed them to cancel within 30 days and keep the iPhone.I think they might have been mistaken about that, since AT&amp;T are unlikely to make much money giving away iPhones for free.
To use everyone's favourite analogy, it's like renting a car for a week, but if you cancel within 24 hours you get to keep the car.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687291</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687351</id>
	<title>Moving company?</title>
	<author>BadAnalogyGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1247601780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What peace of mind do you get from knowing where your stuff is? Is there anything you can do with that information?</p><p>I wonder if it isn't more a matter of control that you feel like you're giving up by letting professionals do their job. Do you also insist on driving everywhere instead of taking a plane or bus?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What peace of mind do you get from knowing where your stuff is ?
Is there anything you can do with that information ? I wonder if it is n't more a matter of control that you feel like you 're giving up by letting professionals do their job .
Do you also insist on driving everywhere instead of taking a plane or bus ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What peace of mind do you get from knowing where your stuff is?
Is there anything you can do with that information?I wonder if it isn't more a matter of control that you feel like you're giving up by letting professionals do their job.
Do you also insist on driving everywhere instead of taking a plane or bus?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28690951</id>
	<title>Re:Much cheaper...</title>
	<author>dougmc</author>
	<datestamp>1247585880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just so there's no confusion<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... the parent post is incorrect.  Faraday cages do not have to be grounded.  There are reasons to ground them, but they can work just fine as a faraday cage even if not ground.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just so there 's no confusion ... the parent post is incorrect .
Faraday cages do not have to be grounded .
There are reasons to ground them , but they can work just fine as a faraday cage even if not ground .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just so there's no confusion ... the parent post is incorrect.
Faraday cages do not have to be grounded.
There are reasons to ground them, but they can work just fine as a faraday cage even if not ground.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28689941</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687569</id>
	<title>Re:Moving company?</title>
	<author>Malc</author>
	<datestamp>1247603940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's how much you trust the moving company, isn't it?  I've used movers/removers for both international and in-city moves, and there's a world of difference between them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's how much you trust the moving company , is n't it ?
I 've used movers/removers for both international and in-city moves , and there 's a world of difference between them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's how much you trust the moving company, isn't it?
I've used movers/removers for both international and in-city moves, and there's a world of difference between them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687351</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687905</id>
	<title>Re:Iphones are not $99</title>
	<author>spire3661</author>
	<datestamp>1247564640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Story writer is an irresponsible asshole. "O, Ill just use it and then return it, who cares if it costs other people time and money."  What a prick.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Story writer is an irresponsible asshole .
" O , Ill just use it and then return it , who cares if it costs other people time and money .
" What a prick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Story writer is an irresponsible asshole.
"O, Ill just use it and then return it, who cares if it costs other people time and money.
"  What a prick.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687301</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687769</id>
	<title>Re:Moving company?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247563140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, a friend of mine lost his stuff in a move, and it took the moving company some eight months to find it.  They wouldn't admit it was lost (so he could claim insurance and buy replacements), but I don't know what else it was doing for all that time.  So, in at least one case, it would have been helpful to be able to tell them "it's on pier 8 in Rotterdam" (or wherever).  The original author wasn't trying to control the people doing the move, just wanting to know how it was going.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , a friend of mine lost his stuff in a move , and it took the moving company some eight months to find it .
They would n't admit it was lost ( so he could claim insurance and buy replacements ) , but I do n't know what else it was doing for all that time .
So , in at least one case , it would have been helpful to be able to tell them " it 's on pier 8 in Rotterdam " ( or wherever ) .
The original author was n't trying to control the people doing the move , just wanting to know how it was going .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, a friend of mine lost his stuff in a move, and it took the moving company some eight months to find it.
They wouldn't admit it was lost (so he could claim insurance and buy replacements), but I don't know what else it was doing for all that time.
So, in at least one case, it would have been helpful to be able to tell them "it's on pier 8 in Rotterdam" (or wherever).
The original author wasn't trying to control the people doing the move, just wanting to know how it was going.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687351</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28688133</id>
	<title>Re:Iphones are not $99</title>
	<author>William Ager</author>
	<datestamp>1247567100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, it's only $99 if you sign a two year contract <em>and</em> you aren't already an AT&amp;T customer. Otherwise, not only do you have to pay significantly more ("discounted" prices of $300 for a 3G, $400 or $500 for a 3GS), you also have to pay an "upgrade fee" of $18, <em>and</em> sign a new two-year contract. Every other phone AT&amp;T offers only requires a set price for current customers, making the iPhone essentially unavailable to us.
<br> <br>
If I wanted an iPhone, it would actually be significantly cheaper for me to cancel my account and open a new one. Luckily, I'm quite happy with the e51 I bought myself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , it 's only $ 99 if you sign a two year contract and you are n't already an AT&amp;T customer .
Otherwise , not only do you have to pay significantly more ( " discounted " prices of $ 300 for a 3G , $ 400 or $ 500 for a 3GS ) , you also have to pay an " upgrade fee " of $ 18 , and sign a new two-year contract .
Every other phone AT&amp;T offers only requires a set price for current customers , making the iPhone essentially unavailable to us .
If I wanted an iPhone , it would actually be significantly cheaper for me to cancel my account and open a new one .
Luckily , I 'm quite happy with the e51 I bought myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, it's only $99 if you sign a two year contract and you aren't already an AT&amp;T customer.
Otherwise, not only do you have to pay significantly more ("discounted" prices of $300 for a 3G, $400 or $500 for a 3GS), you also have to pay an "upgrade fee" of $18, and sign a new two-year contract.
Every other phone AT&amp;T offers only requires a set price for current customers, making the iPhone essentially unavailable to us.
If I wanted an iPhone, it would actually be significantly cheaper for me to cancel my account and open a new one.
Luckily, I'm quite happy with the e51 I bought myself.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687301</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28691013</id>
	<title>Re:Cheap GPS logger?</title>
	<author>0100010001010011</author>
	<datestamp>1247586120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Look for stuff photographers use for geotagging. Sony makes a good one (expensive). Some you can set to do every second, minute, hour, everytime object moves X distance.</p><p>Check <a href="http://www.bioneural.net/2008/03/05/an-abc-of-geotagging-photos-on-the-mac/" title="bioneural.net">http://www.bioneural.net/2008/03/05/an-abc-of-geotagging-photos-on-the-mac/</a> [bioneural.net] out. I think that's the right page, I'm on dialup atm.</p><p>You basically get to select your features: Battery life, standard AAs or built in Li-ion. Plain USB device or custom software. Etc.</p><p>The most 'open' mount as thumb drives and have a text file in a standard format.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Look for stuff photographers use for geotagging .
Sony makes a good one ( expensive ) .
Some you can set to do every second , minute , hour , everytime object moves X distance.Check http : //www.bioneural.net/2008/03/05/an-abc-of-geotagging-photos-on-the-mac/ [ bioneural.net ] out .
I think that 's the right page , I 'm on dialup atm.You basically get to select your features : Battery life , standard AAs or built in Li-ion .
Plain USB device or custom software .
Etc.The most 'open ' mount as thumb drives and have a text file in a standard format .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look for stuff photographers use for geotagging.
Sony makes a good one (expensive).
Some you can set to do every second, minute, hour, everytime object moves X distance.Check http://www.bioneural.net/2008/03/05/an-abc-of-geotagging-photos-on-the-mac/ [bioneural.net] out.
I think that's the right page, I'm on dialup atm.You basically get to select your features: Battery life, standard AAs or built in Li-ion.
Plain USB device or custom software.
Etc.The most 'open' mount as thumb drives and have a text file in a standard format.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28688041</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687301</id>
	<title>Iphones are not $99</title>
	<author>diakka</author>
	<datestamp>1247514720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do people really buy in to the BS about an Iphone being $99?  IT's only $99 if you sign your soul away for 2 years.  The mobile carriers here are so fortunate to have an ignorant populace that is eager to go through the mental gymnastics required to truly believe that their iphone only costed $99.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do people really buy in to the BS about an Iphone being $ 99 ?
IT 's only $ 99 if you sign your soul away for 2 years .
The mobile carriers here are so fortunate to have an ignorant populace that is eager to go through the mental gymnastics required to truly believe that their iphone only costed $ 99 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do people really buy in to the BS about an Iphone being $99?
IT's only $99 if you sign your soul away for 2 years.
The mobile carriers here are so fortunate to have an ignorant populace that is eager to go through the mental gymnastics required to truly believe that their iphone only costed $99.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28688483</id>
	<title>Re:Iphones are not $99</title>
	<author>Sockatume</author>
	<datestamp>1247571300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The actual cost of the phone is rather more transparent in Europe, where it's available contract-free due to legislation. It costs a little under one thousand dollars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The actual cost of the phone is rather more transparent in Europe , where it 's available contract-free due to legislation .
It costs a little under one thousand dollars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The actual cost of the phone is rather more transparent in Europe, where it's available contract-free due to legislation.
It costs a little under one thousand dollars.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687301</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687501</id>
	<title>Re:Moving company?</title>
	<author>iffer</author>
	<datestamp>1247603340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I see the point of knowing here your stuff is if you have stuff that you absolutely cannot loose, but in thit case you probably wouldn't send it using a relocation company.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I see the point of knowing here your stuff is if you have stuff that you absolutely can not loose , but in thit case you probably would n't send it using a relocation company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see the point of knowing here your stuff is if you have stuff that you absolutely cannot loose, but in thit case you probably wouldn't send it using a relocation company.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687351</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687373</id>
	<title>kdawson</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247601900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hate you</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hate you</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hate you</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687367</id>
	<title>Re:Iphones are not $99</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247601840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:</p><p>"AT&amp;T has a clause in their contract where you can opt out within 30 days without paying the early termination fee."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : " AT&amp;T has a clause in their contract where you can opt out within 30 days without paying the early termination fee .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:"AT&amp;T has a clause in their contract where you can opt out within 30 days without paying the early termination fee.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687301</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28689437</id>
	<title>Re:Much cheaper...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247579280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, well, actually, lots of moving vans aren't built entirely of sheet metal, they've got plenty of non-metallic components - sometimes roofs, sometimes the walls are plywood or other composites, etc. All metal's often too expensive, and too heavy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , well , actually , lots of moving vans are n't built entirely of sheet metal , they 've got plenty of non-metallic components - sometimes roofs , sometimes the walls are plywood or other composites , etc .
All metal 's often too expensive , and too heavy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, well, actually, lots of moving vans aren't built entirely of sheet metal, they've got plenty of non-metallic components - sometimes roofs, sometimes the walls are plywood or other composites, etc.
All metal's often too expensive, and too heavy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28688167</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28700755</id>
	<title>Two days before the day after tomorrow</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247601480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Unfortunately, none of these were easily available on the day after the 4th of July."</p><p>I'm pretty sure he meant to say the day before the 6th of July.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Unfortunately , none of these were easily available on the day after the 4th of July .
" I 'm pretty sure he meant to say the day before the 6th of July .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Unfortunately, none of these were easily available on the day after the 4th of July.
"I'm pretty sure he meant to say the day before the 6th of July.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28689567</id>
	<title>Re:Iphones are not $99</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1247579880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed - by that reasoning, most phones, even the high end ones, are "free" [if you take a contract].</p><p>This idea of paying for the phone <i>and</i> signing yourself into a contract sounds like the worst of both worlds, but maybe that's just because of what we're used to in the UK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed - by that reasoning , most phones , even the high end ones , are " free " [ if you take a contract ] .This idea of paying for the phone and signing yourself into a contract sounds like the worst of both worlds , but maybe that 's just because of what we 're used to in the UK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed - by that reasoning, most phones, even the high end ones, are "free" [if you take a contract].This idea of paying for the phone and signing yourself into a contract sounds like the worst of both worlds, but maybe that's just because of what we're used to in the UK.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687301</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687469</id>
	<title>Re:Iphones are not $99</title>
	<author>Moridineas</author>
	<datestamp>1247603040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>God, that is such an elitist prick attitude. Those stupid sheeple don't understand what a "2 year contract" is--really?? Do you REALLY think that people would be so much happier paying $600-$700/etc for an iphone and lower monthlies? Just because you have a philosophical / ideological / whatever objection to signing a business contract doesn't mean that everybody who chooses to do so is an idiot...</p><p>How much lower would the monthlies be? Single line iphone is what--$70/mon for 2 years at minimum? A new iphone 3gs without a contract is I believe around $600? So, if you pay for that over 2 years, you get $25 a month...monthlies would be down to $45/month. So where exactly is the ripoff? Is it a ripoff to pay $70/month for minutes and unlimited data? Is $45/month for the same thing a ripoff?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>God , that is such an elitist prick attitude .
Those stupid sheeple do n't understand what a " 2 year contract " is--really ? ?
Do you REALLY think that people would be so much happier paying $ 600- $ 700/etc for an iphone and lower monthlies ?
Just because you have a philosophical / ideological / whatever objection to signing a business contract does n't mean that everybody who chooses to do so is an idiot...How much lower would the monthlies be ?
Single line iphone is what-- $ 70/mon for 2 years at minimum ?
A new iphone 3gs without a contract is I believe around $ 600 ?
So , if you pay for that over 2 years , you get $ 25 a month...monthlies would be down to $ 45/month .
So where exactly is the ripoff ?
Is it a ripoff to pay $ 70/month for minutes and unlimited data ?
Is $ 45/month for the same thing a ripoff ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>God, that is such an elitist prick attitude.
Those stupid sheeple don't understand what a "2 year contract" is--really??
Do you REALLY think that people would be so much happier paying $600-$700/etc for an iphone and lower monthlies?
Just because you have a philosophical / ideological / whatever objection to signing a business contract doesn't mean that everybody who chooses to do so is an idiot...How much lower would the monthlies be?
Single line iphone is what--$70/mon for 2 years at minimum?
A new iphone 3gs without a contract is I believe around $600?
So, if you pay for that over 2 years, you get $25 a month...monthlies would be down to $45/month.
So where exactly is the ripoff?
Is it a ripoff to pay $70/month for minutes and unlimited data?
Is $45/month for the same thing a ripoff?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687301</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28690883</id>
	<title>$99 iphone</title>
	<author>martas</author>
	<datestamp>1247585640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>since when does an iphone cost $99? i thought it was $200 + sell your soul to at&amp;t...</htmltext>
<tokenext>since when does an iphone cost $ 99 ?
i thought it was $ 200 + sell your soul to at&amp;t.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>since when does an iphone cost $99?
i thought it was $200 + sell your soul to at&amp;t...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687291</id>
	<title>Much cheaper...</title>
	<author>0100010001010011</author>
	<datestamp>1247514660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Personally I would have gone with something from deal extreme, a GPSSMS bridge. It costs the same as the iPhone, but without the contract. You could have bought simple card from Walmart.</p><p>Not to mention it would have been designed for this and probably last a bit longer. Put in eBay after you're done and recoup some of the costs.</p><p>What does a iPhone cost without the data plan? (Say the phone broke and you need a new one, not to mention you just signed up for 2 years)</p><p><a href="http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.25332" title="dealextreme.com">http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.25332</a> [dealextreme.com]<br><a href="http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.21686" title="dealextreme.com">http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.21686</a> [dealextreme.com]<br><a href="http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11314" title="dealextreme.com">http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11314</a> [dealextreme.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally I would have gone with something from deal extreme , a GPSSMS bridge .
It costs the same as the iPhone , but without the contract .
You could have bought simple card from Walmart.Not to mention it would have been designed for this and probably last a bit longer .
Put in eBay after you 're done and recoup some of the costs.What does a iPhone cost without the data plan ?
( Say the phone broke and you need a new one , not to mention you just signed up for 2 years ) http : //www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.25332 [ dealextreme.com ] http : //www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.21686 [ dealextreme.com ] http : //www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11314 [ dealextreme.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally I would have gone with something from deal extreme, a GPSSMS bridge.
It costs the same as the iPhone, but without the contract.
You could have bought simple card from Walmart.Not to mention it would have been designed for this and probably last a bit longer.
Put in eBay after you're done and recoup some of the costs.What does a iPhone cost without the data plan?
(Say the phone broke and you need a new one, not to mention you just signed up for 2 years)http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.25332 [dealextreme.com]http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.21686 [dealextreme.com]http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11314 [dealextreme.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687459</id>
	<title>Hmmm...</title>
	<author>Facegarden</author>
	<datestamp>1247602860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I, too, want to advertise for free on Slashdot. Who do I contact?<br>-Taylor</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I , too , want to advertise for free on Slashdot .
Who do I contact ? -Taylor</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I, too, want to advertise for free on Slashdot.
Who do I contact?-Taylor</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28696389</id>
	<title>Re:Much cheaper...</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1247566140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Even the very-large 44+ foot trucks (ie, think: trans-shipping) are made out of non-metal components these days. the sides and roof are largely there for decreasing wind resistance.</p><p>Of the large vans used to move band and stage equipment around for events that I've seen, many of them have a steel (or aluminum) substructure frame, with either plastic, metal and plastic, or some sort of fiberboard construction. Even the older ones don't use all-metal cladding - it's too expensive!</p><p>Put the device at or near the top of the stack and I suspect there'd be less signal impedance than if it were in the back seat of your car.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Even the very-large 44 + foot trucks ( ie , think : trans-shipping ) are made out of non-metal components these days .
the sides and roof are largely there for decreasing wind resistance.Of the large vans used to move band and stage equipment around for events that I 've seen , many of them have a steel ( or aluminum ) substructure frame , with either plastic , metal and plastic , or some sort of fiberboard construction .
Even the older ones do n't use all-metal cladding - it 's too expensive ! Put the device at or near the top of the stack and I suspect there 'd be less signal impedance than if it were in the back seat of your car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even the very-large 44+ foot trucks (ie, think: trans-shipping) are made out of non-metal components these days.
the sides and roof are largely there for decreasing wind resistance.Of the large vans used to move band and stage equipment around for events that I've seen, many of them have a steel (or aluminum) substructure frame, with either plastic, metal and plastic, or some sort of fiberboard construction.
Even the older ones don't use all-metal cladding - it's too expensive!Put the device at or near the top of the stack and I suspect there'd be less signal impedance than if it were in the back seat of your car.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28688167</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28689275</id>
	<title>Re:Moving company?</title>
	<author>Sj0</author>
	<datestamp>1247578560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You fail psychology forever.</p><p>Knowing definitively where your things are probably does help you feel like you've got more control over the situation, which does give peace of mind.</p><p>Emotions and logic aren't remotely related. The reason for the peace of mind doesn't mean it's not peace of mind. "Where's my stuff?! -- oh, there it is."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You fail psychology forever.Knowing definitively where your things are probably does help you feel like you 've got more control over the situation , which does give peace of mind.Emotions and logic are n't remotely related .
The reason for the peace of mind does n't mean it 's not peace of mind .
" Where 's my stuff ? !
-- oh , there it is .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You fail psychology forever.Knowing definitively where your things are probably does help you feel like you've got more control over the situation, which does give peace of mind.Emotions and logic aren't remotely related.
The reason for the peace of mind doesn't mean it's not peace of mind.
"Where's my stuff?!
-- oh, there it is.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687351</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28690355</id>
	<title>You've All Missed The Point</title>
	<author>brundlefly</author>
	<datestamp>1247583240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have all missed the point of the article.  It's not that you couldn't have done this 10 years ago with any GPS-enabled tracking device.  It's that iPhone users are *doing it now*, and they are *smarter* and *cooler* than you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have all missed the point of the article .
It 's not that you could n't have done this 10 years ago with any GPS-enabled tracking device .
It 's that iPhone users are * doing it now * , and they are * smarter * and * cooler * than you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have all missed the point of the article.
It's not that you couldn't have done this 10 years ago with any GPS-enabled tracking device.
It's that iPhone users are *doing it now*, and they are *smarter* and *cooler* than you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28690649</id>
	<title>Re:Much cheaper...</title>
	<author>profplump</author>
	<datestamp>1247584620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First I'm wondering why the faraday cage you propose blocks only GPS and not cellular radio -- while you could certainly construct such a thing it doesn't seem like something that would happen accidentally.</p><p>Second, you should be aware that a full-metal case is not an incredibly typical construction for semi trailers. Many have plastic top, since the top bears little load and plastic can be made translucent to allow outside light into the trailer. Many also have wooden bottom, as wood is much cheaper and easier to replace than sheet metal would be, and the floor is subject to a lot of abuse. It's also not uncommon to have non-metal sides, or sometimes even tensioned-fabric sides, on trailers where there is not likely to be a lot of lateral stress.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First I 'm wondering why the faraday cage you propose blocks only GPS and not cellular radio -- while you could certainly construct such a thing it does n't seem like something that would happen accidentally.Second , you should be aware that a full-metal case is not an incredibly typical construction for semi trailers .
Many have plastic top , since the top bears little load and plastic can be made translucent to allow outside light into the trailer .
Many also have wooden bottom , as wood is much cheaper and easier to replace than sheet metal would be , and the floor is subject to a lot of abuse .
It 's also not uncommon to have non-metal sides , or sometimes even tensioned-fabric sides , on trailers where there is not likely to be a lot of lateral stress .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First I'm wondering why the faraday cage you propose blocks only GPS and not cellular radio -- while you could certainly construct such a thing it doesn't seem like something that would happen accidentally.Second, you should be aware that a full-metal case is not an incredibly typical construction for semi trailers.
Many have plastic top, since the top bears little load and plastic can be made translucent to allow outside light into the trailer.
Many also have wooden bottom, as wood is much cheaper and easier to replace than sheet metal would be, and the floor is subject to a lot of abuse.
It's also not uncommon to have non-metal sides, or sometimes even tensioned-fabric sides, on trailers where there is not likely to be a lot of lateral stress.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28688167</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687475</id>
	<title>Google Lattitude</title>
	<author>iffer</author>
	<datestamp>1247603100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Won't google lattitude achieve exactly the same thing? I have it installed on my BB and I can get the location of half a dozen of my friends that have added me to their "friends" list on their devices (both BB and iPhones). There is also a google maps gadget you can use to check the location from your PC.

What advantages do you get from using MobileMe and Find My iPhone ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wo n't google lattitude achieve exactly the same thing ?
I have it installed on my BB and I can get the location of half a dozen of my friends that have added me to their " friends " list on their devices ( both BB and iPhones ) .
There is also a google maps gadget you can use to check the location from your PC .
What advantages do you get from using MobileMe and Find My iPhone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Won't google lattitude achieve exactly the same thing?
I have it installed on my BB and I can get the location of half a dozen of my friends that have added me to their "friends" list on their devices (both BB and iPhones).
There is also a google maps gadget you can use to check the location from your PC.
What advantages do you get from using MobileMe and Find My iPhone ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28690517</id>
	<title>Re:Iphones are not $99</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247583900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an established family and working man I would like to be able to make a phone call when i need to.  cell phone - check<br>As a Gemini that likes to know a little about a lot of things I would like access to my RSS feed reader when i want to.  smart phone with data plan - check<br>As a easily distracted person on a train I would like access a reasonably priced library of time wasters.  DS Lite, PSP, Yo-yo - check<br>As a person with ears<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... MP3 - check</p><p>I would expect these things to not change in 2 years considering my youngest child is 5 now and I have joined the \_V\_ictory Club.</p><p>So whats so bad about being in a contract for a phone with features that i want in a price point i can afford?  nothing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an established family and working man I would like to be able to make a phone call when i need to .
cell phone - checkAs a Gemini that likes to know a little about a lot of things I would like access to my RSS feed reader when i want to .
smart phone with data plan - checkAs a easily distracted person on a train I would like access a reasonably priced library of time wasters .
DS Lite , PSP , Yo-yo - checkAs a person with ears ... MP3 - checkI would expect these things to not change in 2 years considering my youngest child is 5 now and I have joined the \ _V \ _ictory Club.So whats so bad about being in a contract for a phone with features that i want in a price point i can afford ?
nothing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an established family and working man I would like to be able to make a phone call when i need to.
cell phone - checkAs a Gemini that likes to know a little about a lot of things I would like access to my RSS feed reader when i want to.
smart phone with data plan - checkAs a easily distracted person on a train I would like access a reasonably priced library of time wasters.
DS Lite, PSP, Yo-yo - checkAs a person with ears ... MP3 - checkI would expect these things to not change in 2 years considering my youngest child is 5 now and I have joined the \_V\_ictory Club.So whats so bad about being in a contract for a phone with features that i want in a price point i can afford?
nothing.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687301</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28689423</id>
	<title>Re:Iphones are not $99</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247579220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been using AT&amp;T (Cingular) for about 8 years. I just signed up for a contract for the 2nd time. I was buying phones already unlocked for the past few years but to be honest it wasn't worth paying more. I haven't had a problem with the service, and in all that time I have had maybe a dozen dropped calls. Just got myself and the wife new iphones. She got the 8GB 3g, and I the 16GB 3GS.</p><p>I was already using ATT so there was no reason not to have a contract for 2 years in order to save money on the phones.</p><p>Not everyone jumps around on phone carriers like they are cheap whores. Some of us stick with what works. Exclusive phones should be outlawed and all phones available to all carriers. The only problem is that then everyone would go to the most reliable carrier with the best service.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been using AT&amp;T ( Cingular ) for about 8 years .
I just signed up for a contract for the 2nd time .
I was buying phones already unlocked for the past few years but to be honest it was n't worth paying more .
I have n't had a problem with the service , and in all that time I have had maybe a dozen dropped calls .
Just got myself and the wife new iphones .
She got the 8GB 3g , and I the 16GB 3GS.I was already using ATT so there was no reason not to have a contract for 2 years in order to save money on the phones.Not everyone jumps around on phone carriers like they are cheap whores .
Some of us stick with what works .
Exclusive phones should be outlawed and all phones available to all carriers .
The only problem is that then everyone would go to the most reliable carrier with the best service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been using AT&amp;T (Cingular) for about 8 years.
I just signed up for a contract for the 2nd time.
I was buying phones already unlocked for the past few years but to be honest it wasn't worth paying more.
I haven't had a problem with the service, and in all that time I have had maybe a dozen dropped calls.
Just got myself and the wife new iphones.
She got the 8GB 3g, and I the 16GB 3GS.I was already using ATT so there was no reason not to have a contract for 2 years in order to save money on the phones.Not everyone jumps around on phone carriers like they are cheap whores.
Some of us stick with what works.
Exclusive phones should be outlawed and all phones available to all carriers.
The only problem is that then everyone would go to the most reliable carrier with the best service.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687301</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687441</id>
	<title>Re:$99 iPhone ?</title>
	<author>mr100percent</author>
	<datestamp>1247602740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The iPhone 3G is now priced at $99 with contract, and the 3G S is now priced at $199 and $299, depending on 16 or 32GB</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The iPhone 3G is now priced at $ 99 with contract , and the 3G S is now priced at $ 199 and $ 299 , depending on 16 or 32GB</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The iPhone 3G is now priced at $99 with contract, and the 3G S is now priced at $199 and $299, depending on 16 or 32GB</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687307</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28691539</id>
	<title>Re:Google Lattitude</title>
	<author>JHromadka</author>
	<datestamp>1247588580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does Latitude work with iPhones now?  It didn't used to.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does Latitude work with iPhones now ?
It did n't used to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does Latitude work with iPhones now?
It didn't used to.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687475</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28688725</id>
	<title>settings...</title>
	<author>robogobo</author>
	<datestamp>1247574120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*switches Find my iPhone off*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* switches Find my iPhone off *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*switches Find my iPhone off*</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28688041</id>
	<title>Cheap GPS logger?</title>
	<author>mu22le</author>
	<datestamp>1247566080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Question on a related problem:<br>I'm looking for a cheap GPS logger that can save a timestamp - coordinate pair every few seconds. Main requisite is a  long lasting battery and memory (an SD card slot is fine), bonus points if it has bluetooth that can be turned on if needed. Any advice?<br>It won't tell you where your stuff is but will reveal a lot of interesting info on where it has been<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Question on a related problem : I 'm looking for a cheap GPS logger that can save a timestamp - coordinate pair every few seconds .
Main requisite is a long lasting battery and memory ( an SD card slot is fine ) , bonus points if it has bluetooth that can be turned on if needed .
Any advice ? It wo n't tell you where your stuff is but will reveal a lot of interesting info on where it has been : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Question on a related problem:I'm looking for a cheap GPS logger that can save a timestamp - coordinate pair every few seconds.
Main requisite is a  long lasting battery and memory (an SD card slot is fine), bonus points if it has bluetooth that can be turned on if needed.
Any advice?It won't tell you where your stuff is but will reveal a lot of interesting info on where it has been :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687291</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687497</id>
	<title>"find my iphone" is EXPENSIVE</title>
	<author>Werrismys</author>
	<datestamp>1247603340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The "find my iphone" feature requires a MobileMe account.
MobileMe is an expensive set of web based services that can easily be substituted with Flickr and Google's stuff.
So, 79&#226; a year for tracking my phone i n case I lose it? No thanks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The " find my iphone " feature requires a MobileMe account .
MobileMe is an expensive set of web based services that can easily be substituted with Flickr and Google 's stuff .
So , 79   a year for tracking my phone i n case I lose it ?
No thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "find my iphone" feature requires a MobileMe account.
MobileMe is an expensive set of web based services that can easily be substituted with Flickr and Google's stuff.
So, 79â a year for tracking my phone i n case I lose it?
No thanks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28691679</id>
	<title>Re:Iphones are not $99</title>
	<author>Graymalkin</author>
	<datestamp>1247589180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah that's not going to really work in the United States. AT&amp;T ended their unlimited data plan for GoPhone users back in November of last year. This leaves two data options there, ad-hoc which is 1/KB or the data packages which are 1MB for $4.99 (0.5/KB) and 100MB for $19.99 (0.2/KB). These prices are the same for the GoPhone (pay as you go) and monthly prepaid plans. At those data rates browsing the web is pretty damn expensive. Take the <a href="http://i.engadget.com/" title="engadget.com">Engadget mobile page</a> [engadget.com], it weighs in at about 128KB without clicking on any of the individual stories. Using the above prepaid prices a single load of the page will cost you either $1.28, $0.64, or $0.25. Using the web on a smartphone isn't terribly attractive if a mobile version of a web page costs you a quarter to view. The RSS feed is about 160KB but at least gives you all the front-page stories in a single go (for $0.32).</p><p>Sprint doesn't offer prepaid plans. Verizon has 99 "mobile web" offerings on their pre-paid plans but it doesn't detail what exactly that entails as they also have a $15/day "mobile broadband" plan. Verizon also requires any smartphones to be purchased with a contracted data plan (attached to a voice plan). It makes sense then to assume their 99 "mobile web" is only available on their pre-paid handsets which are most assuredly not smartphones. T-Mobile no longer offers pre-paid unlimited data plans for phones or data cards. The only pre-paid plan they have available is a data plan for the Sidekick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah that 's not going to really work in the United States .
AT&amp;T ended their unlimited data plan for GoPhone users back in November of last year .
This leaves two data options there , ad-hoc which is 1/KB or the data packages which are 1MB for $ 4.99 ( 0.5/KB ) and 100MB for $ 19.99 ( 0.2/KB ) .
These prices are the same for the GoPhone ( pay as you go ) and monthly prepaid plans .
At those data rates browsing the web is pretty damn expensive .
Take the Engadget mobile page [ engadget.com ] , it weighs in at about 128KB without clicking on any of the individual stories .
Using the above prepaid prices a single load of the page will cost you either $ 1.28 , $ 0.64 , or $ 0.25 .
Using the web on a smartphone is n't terribly attractive if a mobile version of a web page costs you a quarter to view .
The RSS feed is about 160KB but at least gives you all the front-page stories in a single go ( for $ 0.32 ) .Sprint does n't offer prepaid plans .
Verizon has 99 " mobile web " offerings on their pre-paid plans but it does n't detail what exactly that entails as they also have a $ 15/day " mobile broadband " plan .
Verizon also requires any smartphones to be purchased with a contracted data plan ( attached to a voice plan ) .
It makes sense then to assume their 99 " mobile web " is only available on their pre-paid handsets which are most assuredly not smartphones .
T-Mobile no longer offers pre-paid unlimited data plans for phones or data cards .
The only pre-paid plan they have available is a data plan for the Sidekick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah that's not going to really work in the United States.
AT&amp;T ended their unlimited data plan for GoPhone users back in November of last year.
This leaves two data options there, ad-hoc which is 1/KB or the data packages which are 1MB for $4.99 (0.5/KB) and 100MB for $19.99 (0.2/KB).
These prices are the same for the GoPhone (pay as you go) and monthly prepaid plans.
At those data rates browsing the web is pretty damn expensive.
Take the Engadget mobile page [engadget.com], it weighs in at about 128KB without clicking on any of the individual stories.
Using the above prepaid prices a single load of the page will cost you either $1.28, $0.64, or $0.25.
Using the web on a smartphone isn't terribly attractive if a mobile version of a web page costs you a quarter to view.
The RSS feed is about 160KB but at least gives you all the front-page stories in a single go (for $0.32).Sprint doesn't offer prepaid plans.
Verizon has 99 "mobile web" offerings on their pre-paid plans but it doesn't detail what exactly that entails as they also have a $15/day "mobile broadband" plan.
Verizon also requires any smartphones to be purchased with a contracted data plan (attached to a voice plan).
It makes sense then to assume their 99 "mobile web" is only available on their pre-paid handsets which are most assuredly not smartphones.
T-Mobile no longer offers pre-paid unlimited data plans for phones or data cards.
The only pre-paid plan they have available is a data plan for the Sidekick.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28691459</id>
	<title>Re:Iphones are not $99</title>
	<author>oblivionboy</author>
	<datestamp>1247588280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They probably understood it perfectly well. Its not like you have a monopoly on smarts in the world. Its amazing the amount of hostility there is to the iPhone on slashdot sometimes. It makes me think you guys are missing the point. Its obvious there were a million other possible solutions, but the iPhone is KNOWN to work with AGPS (cell tower assisted -- otherwise I doubt the whole thing would have worked, given that it were probably inside a big truck), and its also well understood.</p><p>But the point is that what they WANTED to use was an iPhone. So they did. So DEAL WITH IT.</p><p>Sheesh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They probably understood it perfectly well .
Its not like you have a monopoly on smarts in the world .
Its amazing the amount of hostility there is to the iPhone on slashdot sometimes .
It makes me think you guys are missing the point .
Its obvious there were a million other possible solutions , but the iPhone is KNOWN to work with AGPS ( cell tower assisted -- otherwise I doubt the whole thing would have worked , given that it were probably inside a big truck ) , and its also well understood.But the point is that what they WANTED to use was an iPhone .
So they did .
So DEAL WITH IT.Sheesh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They probably understood it perfectly well.
Its not like you have a monopoly on smarts in the world.
Its amazing the amount of hostility there is to the iPhone on slashdot sometimes.
It makes me think you guys are missing the point.
Its obvious there were a million other possible solutions, but the iPhone is KNOWN to work with AGPS (cell tower assisted -- otherwise I doubt the whole thing would have worked, given that it were probably inside a big truck), and its also well understood.But the point is that what they WANTED to use was an iPhone.
So they did.
So DEAL WITH IT.Sheesh.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28688167</id>
	<title>Re:Much cheaper...</title>
	<author>digitalchinky</author>
	<datestamp>1247567580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So all your belongings are in boxes, including this GPS with SMS bridge business you speak of, all of which is buried under clothes or whatever, sitting deep inside a moving truck which just happens to be built out of sheet metal, strengthened by a steel or alloy frame of sorts (Last time I checked, all of them were built this way) A nice little Faraday cage yes?</p><p>Your solution would not work, this guy lucked out in that the system was using cell towers to triangulate the phones location, if it was true GPS it would not have worked.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So all your belongings are in boxes , including this GPS with SMS bridge business you speak of , all of which is buried under clothes or whatever , sitting deep inside a moving truck which just happens to be built out of sheet metal , strengthened by a steel or alloy frame of sorts ( Last time I checked , all of them were built this way ) A nice little Faraday cage yes ? Your solution would not work , this guy lucked out in that the system was using cell towers to triangulate the phones location , if it was true GPS it would not have worked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So all your belongings are in boxes, including this GPS with SMS bridge business you speak of, all of which is buried under clothes or whatever, sitting deep inside a moving truck which just happens to be built out of sheet metal, strengthened by a steel or alloy frame of sorts (Last time I checked, all of them were built this way) A nice little Faraday cage yes?Your solution would not work, this guy lucked out in that the system was using cell towers to triangulate the phones location, if it was true GPS it would not have worked.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687585</id>
	<title>Re:Iphones are not $99</title>
	<author>speedtux</author>
	<datestamp>1247604060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What they don't understand is that they have good alternatives.  Get an unlocked Google, Nokia, or Windows Mobile phone and a prepaid plan and you pay much less for a smartphone that gets the job done (and actually is nicer for text messages and a lot of other uses).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What they do n't understand is that they have good alternatives .
Get an unlocked Google , Nokia , or Windows Mobile phone and a prepaid plan and you pay much less for a smartphone that gets the job done ( and actually is nicer for text messages and a lot of other uses ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What they don't understand is that they have good alternatives.
Get an unlocked Google, Nokia, or Windows Mobile phone and a prepaid plan and you pay much less for a smartphone that gets the job done (and actually is nicer for text messages and a lot of other uses).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28689375</id>
	<title>Re:Iphones are not $99</title>
	<author>tgd</author>
	<datestamp>1247579040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sign your soul away?</p><p>Its $60 a month.</p><p>Personally, if such a thing as a soul existed, mine would be worth vastly more than $60 a month.</p><p>But it did sound dramatic, I suppose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sign your soul away ? Its $ 60 a month.Personally , if such a thing as a soul existed , mine would be worth vastly more than $ 60 a month.But it did sound dramatic , I suppose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sign your soul away?Its $60 a month.Personally, if such a thing as a soul existed, mine would be worth vastly more than $60 a month.But it did sound dramatic, I suppose.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28688679</id>
	<title>Re:More accurate summary</title>
	<author>gravyface</author>
	<datestamp>1247573580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't understand the point of this entire exercise.  Where did he think the truck was going, on a Ferris Bueller-esque "joy ride" across the country?</p><p>He had his dates mixed up as well: movers were scheduled to come in at 8am on the 5th, Best Buy was open at 10am on the 5th, and after buying the phone, he says the movers are coming the next morning, which would would've been the 6th.</p><p>I don't have an iPhone, but would it get a signal while packed in a cardboard box while in a fully-enclosed metal container?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't understand the point of this entire exercise .
Where did he think the truck was going , on a Ferris Bueller-esque " joy ride " across the country ? He had his dates mixed up as well : movers were scheduled to come in at 8am on the 5th , Best Buy was open at 10am on the 5th , and after buying the phone , he says the movers are coming the next morning , which would would 've been the 6th.I do n't have an iPhone , but would it get a signal while packed in a cardboard box while in a fully-enclosed metal container ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't understand the point of this entire exercise.
Where did he think the truck was going, on a Ferris Bueller-esque "joy ride" across the country?He had his dates mixed up as well: movers were scheduled to come in at 8am on the 5th, Best Buy was open at 10am on the 5th, and after buying the phone, he says the movers are coming the next morning, which would would've been the 6th.I don't have an iPhone, but would it get a signal while packed in a cardboard box while in a fully-enclosed metal container?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687307</id>
	<title>$99 iPhone ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247514780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where did you manage to get an iPhone without a contract? All the iPhones I've seen have cost way more than $99</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where did you manage to get an iPhone without a contract ?
All the iPhones I 've seen have cost way more than $ 99</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where did you manage to get an iPhone without a contract?
All the iPhones I've seen have cost way more than $99</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28690965</id>
	<title>Re:Much cheaper...</title>
	<author>rnelsonee</author>
	<datestamp>1247585880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, by RTFA, you'd know that you don't need a 2 year contract. You can get an iPhone, with no long-term commitment for $275, and based on eBay's prices, you'd actually make a profit selling it after using it for this pet project.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , by RTFA , you 'd know that you do n't need a 2 year contract .
You can get an iPhone , with no long-term commitment for $ 275 , and based on eBay 's prices , you 'd actually make a profit selling it after using it for this pet project .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, by RTFA, you'd know that you don't need a 2 year contract.
You can get an iPhone, with no long-term commitment for $275, and based on eBay's prices, you'd actually make a profit selling it after using it for this pet project.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687291</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28688087</id>
	<title>Not better than commodity GPS trackers?</title>
	<author>w0mprat</author>
	<datestamp>1247566680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>These are remarkably common gadgets and can be had surprisingly cheap. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr\_pg\_2/103-3580931-0563800?ie=UTF8&amp;rs=&amp;keywords=gps\%20tracker&amp;rh=i\%3Aaps\%2Ck\%3Agps\%20tracker&amp;page=2" title="amazon.com">http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr\_pg\_2/103-3580931-0563800?ie=UTF8&amp;rs=&amp;keywords=gps\%20tracker&amp;rh=i\%3Aaps\%2Ck\%3Agps\%20tracker&amp;page=2</a> [amazon.com]
<br> <br>
Plenty of choice, and some for even about half the price, and in theory do a better job than the iPhone with more battery life.</htmltext>
<tokenext>These are remarkably common gadgets and can be had surprisingly cheap .
http : //www.amazon.com/s/ref = sr \ _pg \ _2/103-3580931-0563800 ? ie = UTF8&amp;rs = &amp;keywords = gps \ % 20tracker&amp;rh = i \ % 3Aaps \ % 2Ck \ % 3Agps \ % 20tracker&amp;page = 2 [ amazon.com ] Plenty of choice , and some for even about half the price , and in theory do a better job than the iPhone with more battery life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These are remarkably common gadgets and can be had surprisingly cheap.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr\_pg\_2/103-3580931-0563800?ie=UTF8&amp;rs=&amp;keywords=gps\%20tracker&amp;rh=i\%3Aaps\%2Ck\%3Agps\%20tracker&amp;page=2 [amazon.com]
 
Plenty of choice, and some for even about half the price, and in theory do a better job than the iPhone with more battery life.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28689941</id>
	<title>Re:Much cheaper...</title>
	<author>dmitrygr</author>
	<datestamp>1247581440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>A faraday cage blocks signals IFF it is grounded. Last I checked trucks are on RUBBER wheels on a non-conductive road. Even wonder why you get cell reception in elevators? Same reason. Please go redo your college physics course.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A faraday cage blocks signals IFF it is grounded .
Last I checked trucks are on RUBBER wheels on a non-conductive road .
Even wonder why you get cell reception in elevators ?
Same reason .
Please go redo your college physics course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A faraday cage blocks signals IFF it is grounded.
Last I checked trucks are on RUBBER wheels on a non-conductive road.
Even wonder why you get cell reception in elevators?
Same reason.
Please go redo your college physics course.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28689453</id>
	<title>Re:Cheap GPS logger?</title>
	<author>ezzzD55J</author>
	<datestamp>1247579340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iblue 747.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iblue 747 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iblue 747.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28689163</id>
	<title>Re:Much cheaper...</title>
	<author>NatasRevol</author>
	<datestamp>1247578020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hence the entire reason for using the iPhone and not the GPS only stuff.</p><p>The cell phone triangulation is good enough for the purpose of this article.  Nothing else is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hence the entire reason for using the iPhone and not the GPS only stuff.The cell phone triangulation is good enough for the purpose of this article .
Nothing else is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hence the entire reason for using the iPhone and not the GPS only stuff.The cell phone triangulation is good enough for the purpose of this article.
Nothing else is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28692405</id>
	<title>Re:"find my iphone" is EXPENSIVE</title>
	<author>MrCrassic</author>
	<datestamp>1247592120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's even more expensive, considering the following caveats:
<ul>
<li>It has horrible uptime. When I had the service, it worked extremely well...until it didn't, which was very often. I pay a LOT less for Exchange via Activesync and got three nines.</li><li>Google Latitude is free, and works with ANY phone that supports Google Maps. This includes Blackberry, Symbian and Windows Mobile. I just tested mine on my T-Mobile Dash, and it gives me my location on the screen.</li></ul><p>
Apart from that, each and every service offered by MobileMe can be replaced with something that's either free or inexpensive. It's a trap, though it looks good with your Macbook while sipping on a Choco Mint Frap and reading the New York Times!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's even more expensive , considering the following caveats : It has horrible uptime .
When I had the service , it worked extremely well...until it did n't , which was very often .
I pay a LOT less for Exchange via Activesync and got three nines.Google Latitude is free , and works with ANY phone that supports Google Maps .
This includes Blackberry , Symbian and Windows Mobile .
I just tested mine on my T-Mobile Dash , and it gives me my location on the screen .
Apart from that , each and every service offered by MobileMe can be replaced with something that 's either free or inexpensive .
It 's a trap , though it looks good with your Macbook while sipping on a Choco Mint Frap and reading the New York Times !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's even more expensive, considering the following caveats:

It has horrible uptime.
When I had the service, it worked extremely well...until it didn't, which was very often.
I pay a LOT less for Exchange via Activesync and got three nines.Google Latitude is free, and works with ANY phone that supports Google Maps.
This includes Blackberry, Symbian and Windows Mobile.
I just tested mine on my T-Mobile Dash, and it gives me my location on the screen.
Apart from that, each and every service offered by MobileMe can be replaced with something that's either free or inexpensive.
It's a trap, though it looks good with your Macbook while sipping on a Choco Mint Frap and reading the New York Times!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687349</id>
	<title>Only if you have access to the hardware</title>
	<author>sxeraverx</author>
	<datestamp>1247601720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From TFA, the "hack" only works if you have physical access to the phone. Security always fails when you give someone physical access.

Nothing to see here, move along.</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA , the " hack " only works if you have physical access to the phone .
Security always fails when you give someone physical access .
Nothing to see here , move along .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA, the "hack" only works if you have physical access to the phone.
Security always fails when you give someone physical access.
Nothing to see here, move along.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28689261</id>
	<title>Yawn</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247578440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>News @ 11, product (with additional services) works as advertised (badly)!</p><p>Why is it, when some arsehole uses an Iphone to do something, we're all meant to be amazed? And there is no such thing as a $99 Iphone. You are only kidding yourself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>News @ 11 , product ( with additional services ) works as advertised ( badly ) ! Why is it , when some arsehole uses an Iphone to do something , we 're all meant to be amazed ?
And there is no such thing as a $ 99 Iphone .
You are only kidding yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>News @ 11, product (with additional services) works as advertised (badly)!Why is it, when some arsehole uses an Iphone to do something, we're all meant to be amazed?
And there is no such thing as a $99 Iphone.
You are only kidding yourself.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28690711</id>
	<title>Re:Much cheaper...</title>
	<author>ahecht</author>
	<datestamp>1247584800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The last few moving trucks I rented (Penske -- I wouldn't touch U-HAUL with a 10 foot poll) had the basic box frame made of metal, but the walls and roof were fiberglass reinforced with wooden studs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The last few moving trucks I rented ( Penske -- I would n't touch U-HAUL with a 10 foot poll ) had the basic box frame made of metal , but the walls and roof were fiberglass reinforced with wooden studs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The last few moving trucks I rented (Penske -- I wouldn't touch U-HAUL with a 10 foot poll) had the basic box frame made of metal, but the walls and roof were fiberglass reinforced with wooden studs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687871</id>
	<title>More accurate summary</title>
	<author>kklein</author>
	<datestamp>1247564220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Guy wants to do something bizarre and paranoid. Looks for an honest way of doing it. Concludes that would be too expensive, and notices that if he pretends to want a new cellphone, and pretends to want a set of web-based services for it, he can get them for $99, claim he doesn't like the phone or service, and cancel them up to 30 days later.

</p><p>Plan works as intended and results in the exact same situation as if he didn't do the bizarre and paranoid thing (movers tell you they'll be at the destination at one time, but come at another).

</p><p>Guy expresses shock that setting a phone up to report its location to a web service results in <i>--gasp!--</i> the phone reporting its location to a web service!!! Notes that if you don't keep your web password or your phone secured, <i>your security could be compromised!</i>

</p><p>Finishes by admitting he likes the phone, which is a relief because this isn't a story so much about hardware, but someone's lack of honesty and willingness to rip companies off in order to do a bizarre and paranoid thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Guy wants to do something bizarre and paranoid .
Looks for an honest way of doing it .
Concludes that would be too expensive , and notices that if he pretends to want a new cellphone , and pretends to want a set of web-based services for it , he can get them for $ 99 , claim he does n't like the phone or service , and cancel them up to 30 days later .
Plan works as intended and results in the exact same situation as if he did n't do the bizarre and paranoid thing ( movers tell you they 'll be at the destination at one time , but come at another ) .
Guy expresses shock that setting a phone up to report its location to a web service results in --gasp ! -- the phone reporting its location to a web service ! ! !
Notes that if you do n't keep your web password or your phone secured , your security could be compromised !
Finishes by admitting he likes the phone , which is a relief because this is n't a story so much about hardware , but someone 's lack of honesty and willingness to rip companies off in order to do a bizarre and paranoid thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guy wants to do something bizarre and paranoid.
Looks for an honest way of doing it.
Concludes that would be too expensive, and notices that if he pretends to want a new cellphone, and pretends to want a set of web-based services for it, he can get them for $99, claim he doesn't like the phone or service, and cancel them up to 30 days later.
Plan works as intended and results in the exact same situation as if he didn't do the bizarre and paranoid thing (movers tell you they'll be at the destination at one time, but come at another).
Guy expresses shock that setting a phone up to report its location to a web service results in --gasp!-- the phone reporting its location to a web service!!!
Notes that if you don't keep your web password or your phone secured, your security could be compromised!
Finishes by admitting he likes the phone, which is a relief because this isn't a story so much about hardware, but someone's lack of honesty and willingness to rip companies off in order to do a bizarre and paranoid thing.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28694609</id>
	<title>Re:Iphones are not $99</title>
	<author>ITIL Prince</author>
	<datestamp>1247601480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You obviously don't run a business. By allowing a "loophole" such as this, AT&amp;T and Best Buy are counting on human nature. If you actually read the article, at the end he mentions that it has become "precious" to him and that he might not return it.
<b>

The "try before you buy" model is tried and true. It works, because people don't always return the stuff. Maybe they're lazy and don't around to it, maybe they decide to keep it on purpose. Rebates work the same way - would you say that someone who filed their rebate is irresponsible?
<b>

Read more Wired articles. Free is a good business model, as long as not everything you do is free. The key to success is knowing what to give away and what to charge for. You see, even if he returns the phone now, he's still going to pay for the first month of service, and that's money that AT&amp;T keeps. There was a sale made here.</b></b></htmltext>
<tokenext>You obviously do n't run a business .
By allowing a " loophole " such as this , AT&amp;T and Best Buy are counting on human nature .
If you actually read the article , at the end he mentions that it has become " precious " to him and that he might not return it .
The " try before you buy " model is tried and true .
It works , because people do n't always return the stuff .
Maybe they 're lazy and do n't around to it , maybe they decide to keep it on purpose .
Rebates work the same way - would you say that someone who filed their rebate is irresponsible ?
Read more Wired articles .
Free is a good business model , as long as not everything you do is free .
The key to success is knowing what to give away and what to charge for .
You see , even if he returns the phone now , he 's still going to pay for the first month of service , and that 's money that AT&amp;T keeps .
There was a sale made here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You obviously don't run a business.
By allowing a "loophole" such as this, AT&amp;T and Best Buy are counting on human nature.
If you actually read the article, at the end he mentions that it has become "precious" to him and that he might not return it.
The "try before you buy" model is tried and true.
It works, because people don't always return the stuff.
Maybe they're lazy and don't around to it, maybe they decide to keep it on purpose.
Rebates work the same way - would you say that someone who filed their rebate is irresponsible?
Read more Wired articles.
Free is a good business model, as long as not everything you do is free.
The key to success is knowing what to give away and what to charge for.
You see, even if he returns the phone now, he's still going to pay for the first month of service, and that's money that AT&amp;T keeps.
There was a sale made here.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28694159</id>
	<title>Or</title>
	<author>Evro</author>
	<datestamp>1247599320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... you can use InstaMapper, which has an iPhone app, and works with some other devices.</p><p><a href="http://www.instamapper.com/howto.html" title="instamapper.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.instamapper.com/howto.html</a> [instamapper.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... you can use InstaMapper , which has an iPhone app , and works with some other devices.http : //www.instamapper.com/howto.html [ instamapper.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... you can use InstaMapper, which has an iPhone app, and works with some other devices.http://www.instamapper.com/howto.html [instamapper.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687563</id>
	<title>Re:Iphones are not $99</title>
	<author>QuantumG</author>
	<datestamp>1247603880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I too enjoyed the part where he advocated defrauding AT&amp;T.  I sure hope they give him a call.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I too enjoyed the part where he advocated defrauding AT&amp;T .
I sure hope they give him a call .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I too enjoyed the part where he advocated defrauding AT&amp;T.
I sure hope they give him a call.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28700957</id>
	<title>Re:Much cheaper...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247648400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>exactly, during a move is a time when you absolutely need your mobile phone. I would not leave it in the truck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>exactly , during a move is a time when you absolutely need your mobile phone .
I would not leave it in the truck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>exactly, during a move is a time when you absolutely need your mobile phone.
I would not leave it in the truck.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687841</id>
	<title>Re:Moving company?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247563980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, it helps you plan and anticipate.</p><p>"Do we have time to go eat something before they arrive ?"<br>"Will they be on time to do X or Y today".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , it helps you plan and anticipate .
" Do we have time to go eat something before they arrive ?
" " Will they be on time to do X or Y today " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, it helps you plan and anticipate.
"Do we have time to go eat something before they arrive ?
""Will they be on time to do X or Y today".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28700615</id>
	<title>Cheapest option</title>
	<author>paihk</author>
	<datestamp>1247598840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>1. buy a GSM module. The cheapest ones don't even have GPRS. Ex - wavecom fastrack go. (http://www.wavecom.com/modules/movie/scenes/products/index.php?fuseAction=wirelessCPU&amp;productName=fastrack\_GO) <br>
2. Write a small application on the module to do the following:<br>
 i. read the location using LBS(location based service) on the GSM network. It basically gives you the cell-id of the nearest GSM cell site (200m-1km accuracy)<br>
 ii. send out an sms after every hour containing the location <br>

Total cost = $20-$30 for the module + $30 for a pre-paid sim card + $0.15/sms</htmltext>
<tokenext>1. buy a GSM module .
The cheapest ones do n't even have GPRS .
Ex - wavecom fastrack go .
( http : //www.wavecom.com/modules/movie/scenes/products/index.php ? fuseAction = wirelessCPU&amp;productName = fastrack \ _GO ) 2 .
Write a small application on the module to do the following : i. read the location using LBS ( location based service ) on the GSM network .
It basically gives you the cell-id of the nearest GSM cell site ( 200m-1km accuracy ) ii .
send out an sms after every hour containing the location Total cost = $ 20- $ 30 for the module + $ 30 for a pre-paid sim card + $ 0.15/sms</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1. buy a GSM module.
The cheapest ones don't even have GPRS.
Ex - wavecom fastrack go.
(http://www.wavecom.com/modules/movie/scenes/products/index.php?fuseAction=wirelessCPU&amp;productName=fastrack\_GO) 
2.
Write a small application on the module to do the following:
 i. read the location using LBS(location based service) on the GSM network.
It basically gives you the cell-id of the nearest GSM cell site (200m-1km accuracy)
 ii.
send out an sms after every hour containing the location 

Total cost = $20-$30 for the module + $30 for a pre-paid sim card + $0.15/sms</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687667</id>
	<title>Re:Iphones are not $99</title>
	<author>Namarrgon</author>
	<datestamp>1247605140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, what set that rant off? I don't think the OP said anything about a ripoff. It sounded more like surprise that so many people seem to focus exclusively on the $99 upfront cost and (apparently) ignore the monthly, as if that was irrelevant. Another example of this attitude is the fuss a lot of people made over the extra fee required to pay off the rest of their iPhone 3G contract when upgrading.</p><p>By way of comparison, in AU there is a fairly wide range of upfront vs monthly options. I pay full price for an unlocked phone and pay only $10/month (not unlimited, but sufficient for me), so 2 years of $60+/month extra payments would nearly double my overall cost, despite subsidies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , what set that rant off ?
I do n't think the OP said anything about a ripoff .
It sounded more like surprise that so many people seem to focus exclusively on the $ 99 upfront cost and ( apparently ) ignore the monthly , as if that was irrelevant .
Another example of this attitude is the fuss a lot of people made over the extra fee required to pay off the rest of their iPhone 3G contract when upgrading.By way of comparison , in AU there is a fairly wide range of upfront vs monthly options .
I pay full price for an unlocked phone and pay only $ 10/month ( not unlimited , but sufficient for me ) , so 2 years of $ 60 + /month extra payments would nearly double my overall cost , despite subsidies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, what set that rant off?
I don't think the OP said anything about a ripoff.
It sounded more like surprise that so many people seem to focus exclusively on the $99 upfront cost and (apparently) ignore the monthly, as if that was irrelevant.
Another example of this attitude is the fuss a lot of people made over the extra fee required to pay off the rest of their iPhone 3G contract when upgrading.By way of comparison, in AU there is a fairly wide range of upfront vs monthly options.
I pay full price for an unlocked phone and pay only $10/month (not unlimited, but sufficient for me), so 2 years of $60+/month extra payments would nearly double my overall cost, despite subsidies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28688697</id>
	<title>Bizarre and paranoid?</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1247573820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe for a machine, but it's pretty normal for us mere humans to worry about where our stuff is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe for a machine , but it 's pretty normal for us mere humans to worry about where our stuff is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe for a machine, but it's pretty normal for us mere humans to worry about where our stuff is.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28692403</id>
	<title>Re:Much cheaper...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247592120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Google latitude?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Google latitude ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google latitude?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28693611</id>
	<title>Re:Iphones are not $99</title>
	<author>intheshelter</author>
	<datestamp>1247596980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Like it or not, they ARE $99.  The rest of those costs are part of your contract.  Same with ANY other phone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Like it or not , they ARE $ 99 .
The rest of those costs are part of your contract .
Same with ANY other phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like it or not, they ARE $99.
The rest of those costs are part of your contract.
Same with ANY other phone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28687301</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28692485</id>
	<title>Unethical...</title>
	<author>mi</author>
	<datestamp>1247592480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I was therefore eligible for the $99 iPhone. What's more, AT&amp;T has a clause in their contract where you can opt out within 30 days without paying the early termination fee.</p></div></blockquote><p>He bought the phone without even considering keeping it, thus acting <strong>in bad faith</strong>... If AT&amp;T learns about this, I wouldn't blame them for refusing to let him off. Either way, the guy's action was unethical, and the claim, that it "only costs $99" is misleading...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was therefore eligible for the $ 99 iPhone .
What 's more , AT&amp;T has a clause in their contract where you can opt out within 30 days without paying the early termination fee.He bought the phone without even considering keeping it , thus acting in bad faith... If AT&amp;T learns about this , I would n't blame them for refusing to let him off .
Either way , the guy 's action was unethical , and the claim , that it " only costs $ 99 " is misleading.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was therefore eligible for the $99 iPhone.
What's more, AT&amp;T has a clause in their contract where you can opt out within 30 days without paying the early termination fee.He bought the phone without even considering keeping it, thus acting in bad faith... If AT&amp;T learns about this, I wouldn't blame them for refusing to let him off.
Either way, the guy's action was unethical, and the claim, that it "only costs $99" is misleading...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2148232.28690933</id>
	<title>Re:Much cheaper...</title>
	<author>rhsanborn</author>
	<datestamp>1247585820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I suspect it acted much less like a Faraday cage than just a poor place to get much of a signal. But I also suspect they'd have a much better chance getting a cell signal than a gps signal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I suspect it acted much less like a Faraday cage than just a poor place to get much of a signal .
But I also suspect they 'd have a much better chance getting a cell signal than a gps signal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suspect it acted much less like a Faraday cage than just a poor place to get much of a signal.
But I also suspect they'd have a much better chance getting a cell signal than a gps signal.</sentencetext>
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