<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_13_2027224</id>
	<title>Google Releases Open Source NX Server</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1247478840000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://none/" rel="nofollow">wisesifu</a> writes with news of a new <a href="http://www.techworld.com.au/article/310857/google\_releases\_open\_source\_nx\_server">open source NX server</a>, dubbed NeatX, that was released by Google and promptly lost in the shuffle of the Chrome OS announcement.  <i>"NX technology was developed by NoMachine to handle remote X Window connections and make a graphical desktop display usable over the Internet.  By its own admission, Google has been looking at remote desktop technologies for 'quite a while' and decided to develop Neatx as existing NX server products are either proprietary or difficult to maintain.  'The good old X Window system can be used over the network, but it has issues with network latency and bandwidth. Neatx remedies some of these issues,' Google engineers wrote on the company's open source blog.  NoMachine had released parts of the source code to its NX product under the GPL, but the NX server remained proprietary.  [...] Neatx is written in Python, with a few wrapper scripts in Bash and one program written in C 'for performance reasons.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>wisesifu writes with news of a new open source NX server , dubbed NeatX , that was released by Google and promptly lost in the shuffle of the Chrome OS announcement .
" NX technology was developed by NoMachine to handle remote X Window connections and make a graphical desktop display usable over the Internet .
By its own admission , Google has been looking at remote desktop technologies for 'quite a while ' and decided to develop Neatx as existing NX server products are either proprietary or difficult to maintain .
'The good old X Window system can be used over the network , but it has issues with network latency and bandwidth .
Neatx remedies some of these issues, ' Google engineers wrote on the company 's open source blog .
NoMachine had released parts of the source code to its NX product under the GPL , but the NX server remained proprietary .
[ ... ] Neatx is written in Python , with a few wrapper scripts in Bash and one program written in C 'for performance reasons .
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<sentencetext>wisesifu writes with news of a new open source NX server, dubbed NeatX, that was released by Google and promptly lost in the shuffle of the Chrome OS announcement.
"NX technology was developed by NoMachine to handle remote X Window connections and make a graphical desktop display usable over the Internet.
By its own admission, Google has been looking at remote desktop technologies for 'quite a while' and decided to develop Neatx as existing NX server products are either proprietary or difficult to maintain.
'The good old X Window system can be used over the network, but it has issues with network latency and bandwidth.
Neatx remedies some of these issues,' Google engineers wrote on the company's open source blog.
NoMachine had released parts of the source code to its NX product under the GPL, but the NX server remained proprietary.
[...] Neatx is written in Python, with a few wrapper scripts in Bash and one program written in C 'for performance reasons.
'"</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28810073</id>
	<title>Re:Perhaps a better NX engine, too</title>
	<author>orev</author>
	<datestamp>1248463020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, I can't believe how badly the "MS Windows" "remote access" model has polluted your point of view.  X was created and exists for exactly the reason that you can have 1 application running on a big, fast, central server and the display shows up on your local/slow machine.  This allows a huge benefit in pooling of resources and management.</p><p>When MS Windows had VNC, and finally Remote Desktop, the model was completely backward.  You had to connect to the whole local screen and had to see the whole desktop.  This makes it virtually impossible to actually *use* the apps on the remote side.  As you have noted, the only good use for it is troubleshooting something when you don't have local access.  Citrix is a hack on top of that to give the appearance of single application remote access.</p><p>So the X model is meant to actually be useful in day to day applications, while the MS model is only useful for troubleshooting or screensharing, and you're complaining that X is broken?  You only think that because you don't know a world where things actually work well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , I ca n't believe how badly the " MS Windows " " remote access " model has polluted your point of view .
X was created and exists for exactly the reason that you can have 1 application running on a big , fast , central server and the display shows up on your local/slow machine .
This allows a huge benefit in pooling of resources and management.When MS Windows had VNC , and finally Remote Desktop , the model was completely backward .
You had to connect to the whole local screen and had to see the whole desktop .
This makes it virtually impossible to actually * use * the apps on the remote side .
As you have noted , the only good use for it is troubleshooting something when you do n't have local access .
Citrix is a hack on top of that to give the appearance of single application remote access.So the X model is meant to actually be useful in day to day applications , while the MS model is only useful for troubleshooting or screensharing , and you 're complaining that X is broken ?
You only think that because you do n't know a world where things actually work well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, I can't believe how badly the "MS Windows" "remote access" model has polluted your point of view.
X was created and exists for exactly the reason that you can have 1 application running on a big, fast, central server and the display shows up on your local/slow machine.
This allows a huge benefit in pooling of resources and management.When MS Windows had VNC, and finally Remote Desktop, the model was completely backward.
You had to connect to the whole local screen and had to see the whole desktop.
This makes it virtually impossible to actually *use* the apps on the remote side.
As you have noted, the only good use for it is troubleshooting something when you don't have local access.
Citrix is a hack on top of that to give the appearance of single application remote access.So the X model is meant to actually be useful in day to day applications, while the MS model is only useful for troubleshooting or screensharing, and you're complaining that X is broken?
You only think that because you don't know a world where things actually work well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683605</id>
	<title>Re:NIH</title>
	<author>tsalaroth</author>
	<datestamp>1247484120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the FreeNX version has a lot more C than Expect.</p><p>That and Python is a bit more modular than Expect -- not bashing (heh) Expect, it has its place.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the FreeNX version has a lot more C than Expect.That and Python is a bit more modular than Expect -- not bashing ( heh ) Expect , it has its place .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the FreeNX version has a lot more C than Expect.That and Python is a bit more modular than Expect -- not bashing (heh) Expect, it has its place.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28686065</id>
	<title>Re:Sucks to be NoMachine</title>
	<author>bill\_mcgonigle</author>
	<datestamp>1247502240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So Google is about to launch a product providing remote desktops, vendors will build thin-terminals around it, and NoMachines has a commercially-available well-tested server ready to sell with support for in-house use of these terminals... I think they'll be OK, once the corks stop popping.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So Google is about to launch a product providing remote desktops , vendors will build thin-terminals around it , and NoMachines has a commercially-available well-tested server ready to sell with support for in-house use of these terminals... I think they 'll be OK , once the corks stop popping .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So Google is about to launch a product providing remote desktops, vendors will build thin-terminals around it, and NoMachines has a commercially-available well-tested server ready to sell with support for in-house use of these terminals... I think they'll be OK, once the corks stop popping.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684601</id>
	<title>URI scheme name to launch remote apps</title>
	<author>Zantetsuken</author>
	<datestamp>1247490000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So who wants to guess they'll use this with their newly announced "Chrome OS" along with a custom URI scheme handler (ex: "telnet://xxxx" or "apt:xxxxx") where following that link launches the appropriate program. Chrome OS would basically only need 2 or 3 apps for the user to interact with - X-server, Chrome, and NeatX. You wanna use an actual office suite instead of Google Docs? Launch K-Office via the a custom Google homepage, it runs remotely on cloud servers (which you may or may not need a subscription for). This allows manufacturers to use even more low power hardware, you get better battery life, Google gets to mine your data for advertising, and it uses that cell carrier 3G connection even more, allowing the carrier to charge you more...</htmltext>
<tokenext>So who wants to guess they 'll use this with their newly announced " Chrome OS " along with a custom URI scheme handler ( ex : " telnet : //xxxx " or " apt : xxxxx " ) where following that link launches the appropriate program .
Chrome OS would basically only need 2 or 3 apps for the user to interact with - X-server , Chrome , and NeatX .
You wan na use an actual office suite instead of Google Docs ?
Launch K-Office via the a custom Google homepage , it runs remotely on cloud servers ( which you may or may not need a subscription for ) .
This allows manufacturers to use even more low power hardware , you get better battery life , Google gets to mine your data for advertising , and it uses that cell carrier 3G connection even more , allowing the carrier to charge you more.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So who wants to guess they'll use this with their newly announced "Chrome OS" along with a custom URI scheme handler (ex: "telnet://xxxx" or "apt:xxxxx") where following that link launches the appropriate program.
Chrome OS would basically only need 2 or 3 apps for the user to interact with - X-server, Chrome, and NeatX.
You wanna use an actual office suite instead of Google Docs?
Launch K-Office via the a custom Google homepage, it runs remotely on cloud servers (which you may or may not need a subscription for).
This allows manufacturers to use even more low power hardware, you get better battery life, Google gets to mine your data for advertising, and it uses that cell carrier 3G connection even more, allowing the carrier to charge you more...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684051</id>
	<title>Re:NX just got a little better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247486760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <b>After falling in love with Python, it is let me see if python can handle this with speed, if not, I'll write a class in C and use python to Access if needed.</b></p><p>I have a feeling you won't be writing a class in C.</p></div></blockquote><p>On the contrary. C is the native language of Python and its API, and one most certainly can implement a Python class (type) in C.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>After falling in love with Python , it is let me see if python can handle this with speed , if not , I 'll write a class in C and use python to Access if needed.I have a feeling you wo n't be writing a class in C.On the contrary .
C is the native language of Python and its API , and one most certainly can implement a Python class ( type ) in C .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> After falling in love with Python, it is let me see if python can handle this with speed, if not, I'll write a class in C and use python to Access if needed.I have a feeling you won't be writing a class in C.On the contrary.
C is the native language of Python and its API, and one most certainly can implement a Python class (type) in C.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683379</id>
	<title>FreeNX</title>
	<author>Aphonia</author>
	<datestamp>1247482800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is in TFA but not in summary.</p><p>Article doesn't state how the NX client from NoMachine is either, which is probably important for people trying it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is in TFA but not in summary.Article does n't state how the NX client from NoMachine is either , which is probably important for people trying it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is in TFA but not in summary.Article doesn't state how the NX client from NoMachine is either, which is probably important for people trying it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683817</id>
	<title>Re:Long time user</title>
	<author>salimma</author>
	<datestamp>1247485500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One possibility is if it's taken up by OS vendors (Linux distributions, Apple) as their remote windowing solution. Red Hat/Fedora is heavily VNC-focused -- with the installation process doable over VNC, and both full desktops (GNOME and KDE) coming with their own VNC servers. Apple's OS X also has a VNC server, AFAIR. Microsoft, naturally, has their own solutions...</p><p>Google will most likely use this in some way within Chrome OS -- if it shares many innards with Android, the graphics obviously won't be X11-based, and so if their NeatX can be adapted to that, it will make the OS much more usable than just running web apps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One possibility is if it 's taken up by OS vendors ( Linux distributions , Apple ) as their remote windowing solution .
Red Hat/Fedora is heavily VNC-focused -- with the installation process doable over VNC , and both full desktops ( GNOME and KDE ) coming with their own VNC servers .
Apple 's OS X also has a VNC server , AFAIR .
Microsoft , naturally , has their own solutions...Google will most likely use this in some way within Chrome OS -- if it shares many innards with Android , the graphics obviously wo n't be X11-based , and so if their NeatX can be adapted to that , it will make the OS much more usable than just running web apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One possibility is if it's taken up by OS vendors (Linux distributions, Apple) as their remote windowing solution.
Red Hat/Fedora is heavily VNC-focused -- with the installation process doable over VNC, and both full desktops (GNOME and KDE) coming with their own VNC servers.
Apple's OS X also has a VNC server, AFAIR.
Microsoft, naturally, has their own solutions...Google will most likely use this in some way within Chrome OS -- if it shares many innards with Android, the graphics obviously won't be X11-based, and so if their NeatX can be adapted to that, it will make the OS much more usable than just running web apps.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28689837</id>
	<title>NX via SSH</title>
	<author>kenp2002</author>
	<datestamp>1247580960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let us not forget that FreeNX and NX in general appears to use SSH as it's only needed port allowing not only normal SSH terminal activity but also NX connectivity using only 1 port with default SSH encrypted packets so they cannot easily reconstruct the transmitted data in the event of an interception.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let us not forget that FreeNX and NX in general appears to use SSH as it 's only needed port allowing not only normal SSH terminal activity but also NX connectivity using only 1 port with default SSH encrypted packets so they can not easily reconstruct the transmitted data in the event of an interception .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let us not forget that FreeNX and NX in general appears to use SSH as it's only needed port allowing not only normal SSH terminal activity but also NX connectivity using only 1 port with default SSH encrypted packets so they cannot easily reconstruct the transmitted data in the event of an interception.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28692181</id>
	<title>Re:NIH</title>
	<author>GooberToo</author>
	<datestamp>1247591280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It was unmaintainable because it was written in Bash, Expect, and C, so they rewrote it in Bash, Python, and C?</i></p><p>I've tried to work with some of the FreeNX code. Its a hairball of some of the crappiest code around. It is extremely painful to maintain, update, or simply read. They could have spread it across five languages and the potential for it to be better than FreeNX is still there. Besides, its very unlikely to be what you expecting.</p><p>I expect but can not confirm Bash is likely used because you have to launch other processes and Bash does that rather well; especially since they need to manipulate environment variables a fair bit. The C was likely coded only because they needed an additional performance boost and its not clear if the "C" is another executable or a python extension module. Lots of core python is actually written in "C" as extension modules.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was unmaintainable because it was written in Bash , Expect , and C , so they rewrote it in Bash , Python , and C ? I 've tried to work with some of the FreeNX code .
Its a hairball of some of the crappiest code around .
It is extremely painful to maintain , update , or simply read .
They could have spread it across five languages and the potential for it to be better than FreeNX is still there .
Besides , its very unlikely to be what you expecting.I expect but can not confirm Bash is likely used because you have to launch other processes and Bash does that rather well ; especially since they need to manipulate environment variables a fair bit .
The C was likely coded only because they needed an additional performance boost and its not clear if the " C " is another executable or a python extension module .
Lots of core python is actually written in " C " as extension modules .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was unmaintainable because it was written in Bash, Expect, and C, so they rewrote it in Bash, Python, and C?I've tried to work with some of the FreeNX code.
Its a hairball of some of the crappiest code around.
It is extremely painful to maintain, update, or simply read.
They could have spread it across five languages and the potential for it to be better than FreeNX is still there.
Besides, its very unlikely to be what you expecting.I expect but can not confirm Bash is likely used because you have to launch other processes and Bash does that rather well; especially since they need to manipulate environment variables a fair bit.
The C was likely coded only because they needed an additional performance boost and its not clear if the "C" is another executable or a python extension module.
Lots of core python is actually written in "C" as extension modules.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28685445</id>
	<title>Still requires creation of user "nx"?  Noooooo!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247497860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work for a large corporation that uses VNC,and several years ago I tried to install NX at work, hoping to get a speed boost when working remotely.  Unfortunately, the creation of a user "nx" was required.  I'm not in the IT department, I don't have root access, and they IT department had no interest in deploying NX.  So I gave up.</p><p>I saw this announcement and hoped that an "nx" user would no longer be required, but it appears this is still necessary.  If I could get it installed and it actually worked better I know the other engineers would jump on it and eventually IT would be forced to support it.</p><p>Anyone have a workaround?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work for a large corporation that uses VNC,and several years ago I tried to install NX at work , hoping to get a speed boost when working remotely .
Unfortunately , the creation of a user " nx " was required .
I 'm not in the IT department , I do n't have root access , and they IT department had no interest in deploying NX .
So I gave up.I saw this announcement and hoped that an " nx " user would no longer be required , but it appears this is still necessary .
If I could get it installed and it actually worked better I know the other engineers would jump on it and eventually IT would be forced to support it.Anyone have a workaround ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work for a large corporation that uses VNC,and several years ago I tried to install NX at work, hoping to get a speed boost when working remotely.
Unfortunately, the creation of a user "nx" was required.
I'm not in the IT department, I don't have root access, and they IT department had no interest in deploying NX.
So I gave up.I saw this announcement and hoped that an "nx" user would no longer be required, but it appears this is still necessary.
If I could get it installed and it actually worked better I know the other engineers would jump on it and eventually IT would be forced to support it.Anyone have a workaround?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28686227</id>
	<title>StartUp/Shutdown Time</title>
	<author>Marc\_Hawke</author>
	<datestamp>1247503500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a VNC user, but I realize some of the benefits of NX.    (Sound...performance...etc.)</p><p>However...I couldn't get past the start-up times.   With VNC, I'd 'click' and poof, my applications would be right were I left them, continuing on as if I'd never left.  If I closed the window, the applications didn't even know I was gone.</p><p>With NX, I'd connect, I'd go through a big start-up process, I'd log in, and wait for my windows to open....  If I wanted to leave, I'd click on the 'I'm leaving now' and it would put everything into a state to where I could come back to it, etc etc.  (granted my remote machine was no speed demon.)</p><p>So, finally I went back to VNC.   I tend to have the window go up and down quite frequently, and the startup/shutdown times of NX were just a deal breaker.</p><p>If I was going to use it as more of a truly 'remote terminal' when I'd have it up for hours at a time, then perhaps the heavily loaded ends wouldn't bother me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a VNC user , but I realize some of the benefits of NX .
( Sound...performance...etc. ) However...I could n't get past the start-up times .
With VNC , I 'd 'click ' and poof , my applications would be right were I left them , continuing on as if I 'd never left .
If I closed the window , the applications did n't even know I was gone.With NX , I 'd connect , I 'd go through a big start-up process , I 'd log in , and wait for my windows to open.... If I wanted to leave , I 'd click on the 'I 'm leaving now ' and it would put everything into a state to where I could come back to it , etc etc .
( granted my remote machine was no speed demon .
) So , finally I went back to VNC .
I tend to have the window go up and down quite frequently , and the startup/shutdown times of NX were just a deal breaker.If I was going to use it as more of a truly 'remote terminal ' when I 'd have it up for hours at a time , then perhaps the heavily loaded ends would n't bother me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a VNC user, but I realize some of the benefits of NX.
(Sound...performance...etc.)However...I couldn't get past the start-up times.
With VNC, I'd 'click' and poof, my applications would be right were I left them, continuing on as if I'd never left.
If I closed the window, the applications didn't even know I was gone.With NX, I'd connect, I'd go through a big start-up process, I'd log in, and wait for my windows to open....  If I wanted to leave, I'd click on the 'I'm leaving now' and it would put everything into a state to where I could come back to it, etc etc.
(granted my remote machine was no speed demon.
)So, finally I went back to VNC.
I tend to have the window go up and down quite frequently, and the startup/shutdown times of NX were just a deal breaker.If I was going to use it as more of a truly 'remote terminal' when I'd have it up for hours at a time, then perhaps the heavily loaded ends wouldn't bother me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683481</id>
	<title>wasnt that the whole point of XWindows?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247483280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>XWindows was remote window graphics developed at Stanford and fortified at MIT during the 1980s.</htmltext>
<tokenext>XWindows was remote window graphics developed at Stanford and fortified at MIT during the 1980s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>XWindows was remote window graphics developed at Stanford and fortified at MIT during the 1980s.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28686979</id>
	<title>Re:Beats Web-apps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247510220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Web apps and X apps are not really competitors. They serve two different purposes.</p></div><p>You must be confused. They serve the same purpose, which is enable the user to interact with applications. They do so via two different means.<br>Novels and PS3 are competitors. Their purposes are to entertain. They do so via two different means.<br>Airlines and video conferencing are competitors. Their purposes are to bring people together. They do so via two different means.</p><p>P.S.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>This setup made sense a long time ago when servers were extremely powerful and client PCs were weak. Now that even modest hardware is extremely powerful, X makes very little sense.</p></div><p>This argument is exactly NOT why Apple and Microsoft were successful. While other companies developed software and skimped on clock cycles, MS and Apple waited for processor speeds to dramatically increase. Similarly, bandwidth is becoming a commodity. These people are obviously planning to capitalize on the near future, something you apparently are blind of.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Web apps and X apps are not really competitors .
They serve two different purposes.You must be confused .
They serve the same purpose , which is enable the user to interact with applications .
They do so via two different means.Novels and PS3 are competitors .
Their purposes are to entertain .
They do so via two different means.Airlines and video conferencing are competitors .
Their purposes are to bring people together .
They do so via two different means.P.S.This setup made sense a long time ago when servers were extremely powerful and client PCs were weak .
Now that even modest hardware is extremely powerful , X makes very little sense.This argument is exactly NOT why Apple and Microsoft were successful .
While other companies developed software and skimped on clock cycles , MS and Apple waited for processor speeds to dramatically increase .
Similarly , bandwidth is becoming a commodity .
These people are obviously planning to capitalize on the near future , something you apparently are blind of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Web apps and X apps are not really competitors.
They serve two different purposes.You must be confused.
They serve the same purpose, which is enable the user to interact with applications.
They do so via two different means.Novels and PS3 are competitors.
Their purposes are to entertain.
They do so via two different means.Airlines and video conferencing are competitors.
Their purposes are to bring people together.
They do so via two different means.P.S.This setup made sense a long time ago when servers were extremely powerful and client PCs were weak.
Now that even modest hardware is extremely powerful, X makes very little sense.This argument is exactly NOT why Apple and Microsoft were successful.
While other companies developed software and skimped on clock cycles, MS and Apple waited for processor speeds to dramatically increase.
Similarly, bandwidth is becoming a commodity.
These people are obviously planning to capitalize on the near future, something you apparently are blind of.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28688059</id>
	<title>Re:NX just got a little better</title>
	<author>kormat</author>
	<datestamp>1247566380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Python handles this just fine - the part that Neatx implements is io-bound, not cpu-bound (at least on any remotely modern platform). The bash scripts are tiny (see <a href="http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1301267&amp;cid=28688001" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1301267&amp;cid=28688001</a> [slashdot.org]) and there purely for emergency error-handling.</p><p>Steve, Neatx project lead</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Python handles this just fine - the part that Neatx implements is io-bound , not cpu-bound ( at least on any remotely modern platform ) .
The bash scripts are tiny ( see http : //slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1301267&amp;cid = 28688001 [ slashdot.org ] ) and there purely for emergency error-handling.Steve , Neatx project lead</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Python handles this just fine - the part that Neatx implements is io-bound, not cpu-bound (at least on any remotely modern platform).
The bash scripts are tiny (see http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1301267&amp;cid=28688001 [slashdot.org]) and there purely for emergency error-handling.Steve, Neatx project lead</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28687917</id>
	<title>NX is unstable for me.  How about you?</title>
	<author>eyal0</author>
	<datestamp>1247564760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The ~50 engineers at my workplace switched to NX 2 years ago.  There have been many complaints about the instability of NX ever since.  Sometimes engineers lose a handle on a simulation that has been running for more than 24 hours and have to start over.  I stayed with VNC and lately people are asking me how to switch back.</p><p>For me, (Ultra)VNC has been rock-solid.  If Google can make NX reliable, maybe I'll make the move, too.</p><p>Anyone else have complaints about NX stability?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The ~ 50 engineers at my workplace switched to NX 2 years ago .
There have been many complaints about the instability of NX ever since .
Sometimes engineers lose a handle on a simulation that has been running for more than 24 hours and have to start over .
I stayed with VNC and lately people are asking me how to switch back.For me , ( Ultra ) VNC has been rock-solid .
If Google can make NX reliable , maybe I 'll make the move , too.Anyone else have complaints about NX stability ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ~50 engineers at my workplace switched to NX 2 years ago.
There have been many complaints about the instability of NX ever since.
Sometimes engineers lose a handle on a simulation that has been running for more than 24 hours and have to start over.
I stayed with VNC and lately people are asking me how to switch back.For me, (Ultra)VNC has been rock-solid.
If Google can make NX reliable, maybe I'll make the move, too.Anyone else have complaints about NX stability?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684099</id>
	<title>Good news well done Google. Another option is xpra</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247486940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is excellent news, I've really enjoyed using NX but always found it slightly temperamental to use.  Still, it gave me high performance rootless application access over a dodgy wifi link in Germany, back to my machine at uni in the UK - with the ability to resume every time the wifi dropped.  I've known people have trouble resuming dropped sessions, though it worked when I needed it.  Anything which is well-supported and makes NX nicer to work with is very welcome - I hope Google press on with making this better and better.  It's be real nice if they'd make an open source client available too, preferably with a choice of front-end widget libraries<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p><p>Another project, which I actually head about on Slashdot and am very impressed by is Xpra: <a href="http://partiwm.org/wiki/xpra" title="partiwm.org">http://partiwm.org/wiki/xpra</a> [partiwm.org]</p><p>Xpra = X Persistent Remote Applications, i.e. connect to your xpra server (tunnels through ssh by default) to get rootless applications delivered to your desktop, disconnect and reconnect somewhere else and get the same apps back.  Like screen, for X.  It's not meant for fast-changing displays, e.g. video.  But it's a nice, compact approach that largely consists of a few thousand lines of Python.  It uses modern X extensions cunningly to get the job done without having to understand most of the X protocol itself.  And, somewhat like NX, it's better suited to high latency links than simple X11 protocol is.  These days I think Xpra is starting to get more advanced features such as Windows client support, theme matching for remote and local apps, some clipboard sharing, etc.  It's a nice little app that has its uses, particularly if you want something simpler than NX to set up and administer.  The server can also be easily run by an unprivileged user whereas I'm not sure if that's the case for NX (?).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is excellent news , I 've really enjoyed using NX but always found it slightly temperamental to use .
Still , it gave me high performance rootless application access over a dodgy wifi link in Germany , back to my machine at uni in the UK - with the ability to resume every time the wifi dropped .
I 've known people have trouble resuming dropped sessions , though it worked when I needed it .
Anything which is well-supported and makes NX nicer to work with is very welcome - I hope Google press on with making this better and better .
It 's be real nice if they 'd make an open source client available too , preferably with a choice of front-end widget libraries ; - ) Another project , which I actually head about on Slashdot and am very impressed by is Xpra : http : //partiwm.org/wiki/xpra [ partiwm.org ] Xpra = X Persistent Remote Applications , i.e .
connect to your xpra server ( tunnels through ssh by default ) to get rootless applications delivered to your desktop , disconnect and reconnect somewhere else and get the same apps back .
Like screen , for X. It 's not meant for fast-changing displays , e.g .
video. But it 's a nice , compact approach that largely consists of a few thousand lines of Python .
It uses modern X extensions cunningly to get the job done without having to understand most of the X protocol itself .
And , somewhat like NX , it 's better suited to high latency links than simple X11 protocol is .
These days I think Xpra is starting to get more advanced features such as Windows client support , theme matching for remote and local apps , some clipboard sharing , etc .
It 's a nice little app that has its uses , particularly if you want something simpler than NX to set up and administer .
The server can also be easily run by an unprivileged user whereas I 'm not sure if that 's the case for NX ( ?
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is excellent news, I've really enjoyed using NX but always found it slightly temperamental to use.
Still, it gave me high performance rootless application access over a dodgy wifi link in Germany, back to my machine at uni in the UK - with the ability to resume every time the wifi dropped.
I've known people have trouble resuming dropped sessions, though it worked when I needed it.
Anything which is well-supported and makes NX nicer to work with is very welcome - I hope Google press on with making this better and better.
It's be real nice if they'd make an open source client available too, preferably with a choice of front-end widget libraries ;-)Another project, which I actually head about on Slashdot and am very impressed by is Xpra: http://partiwm.org/wiki/xpra [partiwm.org]Xpra = X Persistent Remote Applications, i.e.
connect to your xpra server (tunnels through ssh by default) to get rootless applications delivered to your desktop, disconnect and reconnect somewhere else and get the same apps back.
Like screen, for X.  It's not meant for fast-changing displays, e.g.
video.  But it's a nice, compact approach that largely consists of a few thousand lines of Python.
It uses modern X extensions cunningly to get the job done without having to understand most of the X protocol itself.
And, somewhat like NX, it's better suited to high latency links than simple X11 protocol is.
These days I think Xpra is starting to get more advanced features such as Windows client support, theme matching for remote and local apps, some clipboard sharing, etc.
It's a nice little app that has its uses, particularly if you want something simpler than NX to set up and administer.
The server can also be easily run by an unprivileged user whereas I'm not sure if that's the case for NX (?
).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683569</id>
	<title>NX just got a little better</title>
	<author>ZeroNullVoid</author>
	<datestamp>1247483940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I love FreeNX and have used it for a long time, I can't wait to try this...</p><p>I also love Python as a language and I used to be an it's C/C++ or Java or it's not worth it.</p><p>After falling in love with Python, it is let me see if python can handle this with speed, if not, I'll write a class in C and use python to Access if needed.</p><p>I don't really see why they even really need the bash scripts though.</p><p>If you use any POSIX system remotely and like GUI's, NX is a must.  VNC and Plain X are slow (even with ssh compression)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I love FreeNX and have used it for a long time , I ca n't wait to try this...I also love Python as a language and I used to be an it 's C/C + + or Java or it 's not worth it.After falling in love with Python , it is let me see if python can handle this with speed , if not , I 'll write a class in C and use python to Access if needed.I do n't really see why they even really need the bash scripts though.If you use any POSIX system remotely and like GUI 's , NX is a must .
VNC and Plain X are slow ( even with ssh compression )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love FreeNX and have used it for a long time, I can't wait to try this...I also love Python as a language and I used to be an it's C/C++ or Java or it's not worth it.After falling in love with Python, it is let me see if python can handle this with speed, if not, I'll write a class in C and use python to Access if needed.I don't really see why they even really need the bash scripts though.If you use any POSIX system remotely and like GUI's, NX is a must.
VNC and Plain X are slow (even with ssh compression)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683985</id>
	<title>Re:Sucks to be NoMachine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247486400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FreeNX has been around for quite some time and that hasn't killed NoMachine off.   However, Google being involved may create more OpenSource developer interest in NX and perhaps someone will create a good Windows NX Server, Windows NX Client and better management tools.  If Google rallies that much developer support it could mean an end to NoMachine.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FreeNX has been around for quite some time and that has n't killed NoMachine off .
However , Google being involved may create more OpenSource developer interest in NX and perhaps someone will create a good Windows NX Server , Windows NX Client and better management tools .
If Google rallies that much developer support it could mean an end to NoMachine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FreeNX has been around for quite some time and that hasn't killed NoMachine off.
However, Google being involved may create more OpenSource developer interest in NX and perhaps someone will create a good Windows NX Server, Windows NX Client and better management tools.
If Google rallies that much developer support it could mean an end to NoMachine.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28690921</id>
	<title>Re:NIH</title>
	<author>neurovish</author>
	<datestamp>1247585760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fortunately, I don't have to maintain the FreeNX code.<br>Server side, I haven't had any problems with it once they fixed/implemented the suspend/resume functionality</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fortunately , I do n't have to maintain the FreeNX code.Server side , I have n't had any problems with it once they fixed/implemented the suspend/resume functionality</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fortunately, I don't have to maintain the FreeNX code.Server side, I haven't had any problems with it once they fixed/implemented the suspend/resume functionality</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28685029</id>
	<title>Ever heard of...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247493420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sun Secure Global Desktop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sun Secure Global Desktop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sun Secure Global Desktop.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684325</id>
	<title>From the horse's mouth</title>
	<author>amirulbahr</author>
	<datestamp>1247488440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>A link to the <a href="http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2009/07/releasing-neatx-open-source-nx-servier.html" title="blogspot.com">announcement from Google</a> [blogspot.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>A link to the announcement from Google [ blogspot.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A link to the announcement from Google [blogspot.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683407</id>
	<title>NIH</title>
	<author>FrankSchwab</author>
	<datestamp>1247482860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From TFA:<br>"There is a free implementation of an NX server based on NoMachine's libraries named FreeNX, but this did not appeal to Google.</p><p>"FreeNX's primary target is to replace the one closed component and is written in a mix of several thousand lines of Bash, Expect and C, making FreeNX difficult to maintain," according to Google.</p><p>Neatx is written in Python, with a few wrapper scripts in Bash and one program written in C "for performance reasons". "</p><p>It was unmaintainable because it was written in Bash, Expect, and C, so they rewrote it in Bash, Python, and C?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : " There is a free implementation of an NX server based on NoMachine 's libraries named FreeNX , but this did not appeal to Google .
" FreeNX 's primary target is to replace the one closed component and is written in a mix of several thousand lines of Bash , Expect and C , making FreeNX difficult to maintain , " according to Google.Neatx is written in Python , with a few wrapper scripts in Bash and one program written in C " for performance reasons " .
" It was unmaintainable because it was written in Bash , Expect , and C , so they rewrote it in Bash , Python , and C ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA:"There is a free implementation of an NX server based on NoMachine's libraries named FreeNX, but this did not appeal to Google.
"FreeNX's primary target is to replace the one closed component and is written in a mix of several thousand lines of Bash, Expect and C, making FreeNX difficult to maintain," according to Google.Neatx is written in Python, with a few wrapper scripts in Bash and one program written in C "for performance reasons".
"It was unmaintainable because it was written in Bash, Expect, and C, so they rewrote it in Bash, Python, and C?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683739</id>
	<title>Re:Sucks to be NoMachine</title>
	<author>salimma</author>
	<datestamp>1247485080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean NoProduct(TM)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean NoProduct ( TM )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean NoProduct(TM)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683685</id>
	<title>Re:Long time user</title>
	<author>CaptSaltyJack</author>
	<datestamp>1247484540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I too am a huge fan of NX. It blows the pants off of any other remote access technology (RDP, LogMeIn, VNC).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I too am a huge fan of NX .
It blows the pants off of any other remote access technology ( RDP , LogMeIn , VNC ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I too am a huge fan of NX.
It blows the pants off of any other remote access technology (RDP, LogMeIn, VNC).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28691367</id>
	<title>Re:Long time user</title>
	<author>neurovish</author>
	<datestamp>1247587800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As a longtime NX user, this will be very well received.  I feel like I'm one of a couple dozen NX users, however, meaning that I think this will go largely unnoticed by mainstream users.  The non-proprietary NX-server packages are very non-trivial to install and all attempts thus far at a completed server setup have remained inadequate and completely fly-by-night/unmaintained.  I hope people start to use this more and thus perhaps even push the technology farther.</p></div><p>Really?<br>What distribution are you running?<br>There's a FreeNX package in the rpmforge repo, so if you're running RHEL/CentOS, set that up and yum install freenx.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a longtime NX user , this will be very well received .
I feel like I 'm one of a couple dozen NX users , however , meaning that I think this will go largely unnoticed by mainstream users .
The non-proprietary NX-server packages are very non-trivial to install and all attempts thus far at a completed server setup have remained inadequate and completely fly-by-night/unmaintained .
I hope people start to use this more and thus perhaps even push the technology farther.Really ? What distribution are you running ? There 's a FreeNX package in the rpmforge repo , so if you 're running RHEL/CentOS , set that up and yum install freenx .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a longtime NX user, this will be very well received.
I feel like I'm one of a couple dozen NX users, however, meaning that I think this will go largely unnoticed by mainstream users.
The non-proprietary NX-server packages are very non-trivial to install and all attempts thus far at a completed server setup have remained inadequate and completely fly-by-night/unmaintained.
I hope people start to use this more and thus perhaps even push the technology farther.Really?What distribution are you running?There's a FreeNX package in the rpmforge repo, so if you're running RHEL/CentOS, set that up and yum install freenx.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684287</id>
	<title>Re:Long time user</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247488200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NoMachine's NX Free as in Beer Edition could be trivial to install. FreeNX (as in Speech) isn't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NoMachine 's NX Free as in Beer Edition could be trivial to install .
FreeNX ( as in Speech ) is n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NoMachine's NX Free as in Beer Edition could be trivial to install.
FreeNX (as in Speech) isn't.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684391</id>
	<title>Re:Where would such technologies be really useful?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247488860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use it all the time. I'm not arguing whether there are or aren't other good options, but NX rocks.</p><p>I have innumerable windows open at work with info that I'm using. Then I leave work, go home, eat (sometimes), and pick up right where I left off. No overhead trying to remember where I was or what I was doing. I can do this equally well from Mac, Windows, or Linux as NoMachine has good clients for all.</p><p>My work involves some graphics, and even that works fine, although a bit slower because I lose the benefit of the graphics card.<br>And my machine is connected to a number of private networks that are not accessible externally, so it's impossible or extremely inconvenient to recreate my work environment any other way.</p><p>Also, NX works beautifully over our VPN, and I know that *all* my traffic is protected. In contrast, on the occasion I've taken my Windows machine home, Outlook was able to connect to read my mail even when I wasn't using the VPN. Granted, this is only possible because our network is configured that way, but I didn't know that and was mildly disconcerted by the possibility of sensitive emails being transmitted in the clear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use it all the time .
I 'm not arguing whether there are or are n't other good options , but NX rocks.I have innumerable windows open at work with info that I 'm using .
Then I leave work , go home , eat ( sometimes ) , and pick up right where I left off .
No overhead trying to remember where I was or what I was doing .
I can do this equally well from Mac , Windows , or Linux as NoMachine has good clients for all.My work involves some graphics , and even that works fine , although a bit slower because I lose the benefit of the graphics card.And my machine is connected to a number of private networks that are not accessible externally , so it 's impossible or extremely inconvenient to recreate my work environment any other way.Also , NX works beautifully over our VPN , and I know that * all * my traffic is protected .
In contrast , on the occasion I 've taken my Windows machine home , Outlook was able to connect to read my mail even when I was n't using the VPN .
Granted , this is only possible because our network is configured that way , but I did n't know that and was mildly disconcerted by the possibility of sensitive emails being transmitted in the clear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use it all the time.
I'm not arguing whether there are or aren't other good options, but NX rocks.I have innumerable windows open at work with info that I'm using.
Then I leave work, go home, eat (sometimes), and pick up right where I left off.
No overhead trying to remember where I was or what I was doing.
I can do this equally well from Mac, Windows, or Linux as NoMachine has good clients for all.My work involves some graphics, and even that works fine, although a bit slower because I lose the benefit of the graphics card.And my machine is connected to a number of private networks that are not accessible externally, so it's impossible or extremely inconvenient to recreate my work environment any other way.Also, NX works beautifully over our VPN, and I know that *all* my traffic is protected.
In contrast, on the occasion I've taken my Windows machine home, Outlook was able to connect to read my mail even when I wasn't using the VPN.
Granted, this is only possible because our network is configured that way, but I didn't know that and was mildly disconcerted by the possibility of sensitive emails being transmitted in the clear.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28692641</id>
	<title>Re:Beats Web-apps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247593200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wouldn't go as far as being smug enough to discredit X's sensibility.<br>Especially when attempting to compare a web application with a real application.  That discredits you immediately.</p><p>A web application is text sent across to be interpreted into a visible interactive document.<br>An X application is a real application that is from the core developed to run on one machine and send the display wherever you want.  It was developed during a time of weak clients (display servers), but in todays world it's still a viable way to centralize applications to one particular cluster and put your money where it's needed.<br>Considering you can run a 386dx/40 with Slackware (or insert very thin CDROM or floppy based X11 distribution) running from applications from a cluster of 4 quad-core Xeon attached to a disk array, you start to see the upsides at that point.  Replace the 386 with any other easily replaceable dummy terminal (in today's world, not 1984) and your data and applications are fully protected and not spread all about.</p><p>It consolidates information into one particular spot and only displays information, not saving it.<br>It's a paradigm that is different than the desktop, and is by no means makes very little sense.  It's just not used when playing WoW.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't go as far as being smug enough to discredit X 's sensibility.Especially when attempting to compare a web application with a real application .
That discredits you immediately.A web application is text sent across to be interpreted into a visible interactive document.An X application is a real application that is from the core developed to run on one machine and send the display wherever you want .
It was developed during a time of weak clients ( display servers ) , but in todays world it 's still a viable way to centralize applications to one particular cluster and put your money where it 's needed.Considering you can run a 386dx/40 with Slackware ( or insert very thin CDROM or floppy based X11 distribution ) running from applications from a cluster of 4 quad-core Xeon attached to a disk array , you start to see the upsides at that point .
Replace the 386 with any other easily replaceable dummy terminal ( in today 's world , not 1984 ) and your data and applications are fully protected and not spread all about.It consolidates information into one particular spot and only displays information , not saving it.It 's a paradigm that is different than the desktop , and is by no means makes very little sense .
It 's just not used when playing WoW .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't go as far as being smug enough to discredit X's sensibility.Especially when attempting to compare a web application with a real application.
That discredits you immediately.A web application is text sent across to be interpreted into a visible interactive document.An X application is a real application that is from the core developed to run on one machine and send the display wherever you want.
It was developed during a time of weak clients (display servers), but in todays world it's still a viable way to centralize applications to one particular cluster and put your money where it's needed.Considering you can run a 386dx/40 with Slackware (or insert very thin CDROM or floppy based X11 distribution) running from applications from a cluster of 4 quad-core Xeon attached to a disk array, you start to see the upsides at that point.
Replace the 386 with any other easily replaceable dummy terminal (in today's world, not 1984) and your data and applications are fully protected and not spread all about.It consolidates information into one particular spot and only displays information, not saving it.It's a paradigm that is different than the desktop, and is by no means makes very little sense.
It's just not used when playing WoW.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683331</id>
	<title>Sucks to be NoMachine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247482620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Poor NoMachine... now they don't have a product</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Poor NoMachine... now they do n't have a product</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Poor NoMachine... now they don't have a product</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683869</id>
	<title>Timing</title>
	<author>VGPowerlord</author>
	<datestamp>1247485740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Am I the only one concerned that a company known for collecting tons of data about people has announced a remote desktop product at the same time as they announced a new, slimmed down OS revolving around having an Internet connection?</p><p>*shiver*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I the only one concerned that a company known for collecting tons of data about people has announced a remote desktop product at the same time as they announced a new , slimmed down OS revolving around having an Internet connection ?
* shiver *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I the only one concerned that a company known for collecting tons of data about people has announced a remote desktop product at the same time as they announced a new, slimmed down OS revolving around having an Internet connection?
*shiver*</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28686889</id>
	<title>DesqView/X, ever heard of it?</title>
	<author>macraig</author>
	<datestamp>1247509020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I worked for the company that developed it almost 20 years ago.  It sought to accomplish much the same thing, and though "Internet" wasn't part of the marketing it was definitely intended to work over a standard IP network.  The company used it in-house to run common applications on one or two "app servers", which were then served via the DesqView/X clients to Windows workstations throughout the company.  IIRC there was only one, maybe two, competing products in the market at the time.  It was capable of serving Windows to a UNIX workstation, and vice versa, all done via X-Windows protocol.</p><p>Really products like that are the direct predecessors of these revamped Internet-specific products we're seeing now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I worked for the company that developed it almost 20 years ago .
It sought to accomplish much the same thing , and though " Internet " was n't part of the marketing it was definitely intended to work over a standard IP network .
The company used it in-house to run common applications on one or two " app servers " , which were then served via the DesqView/X clients to Windows workstations throughout the company .
IIRC there was only one , maybe two , competing products in the market at the time .
It was capable of serving Windows to a UNIX workstation , and vice versa , all done via X-Windows protocol.Really products like that are the direct predecessors of these revamped Internet-specific products we 're seeing now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I worked for the company that developed it almost 20 years ago.
It sought to accomplish much the same thing, and though "Internet" wasn't part of the marketing it was definitely intended to work over a standard IP network.
The company used it in-house to run common applications on one or two "app servers", which were then served via the DesqView/X clients to Windows workstations throughout the company.
IIRC there was only one, maybe two, competing products in the market at the time.
It was capable of serving Windows to a UNIX workstation, and vice versa, all done via X-Windows protocol.Really products like that are the direct predecessors of these revamped Internet-specific products we're seeing now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683509</id>
	<title>Beats Web-apps</title>
	<author>ickleberry</author>
	<datestamp>1247483400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well this sure beats HTML+HTTP and Javascript for displaying remote applications. Web browsers are horribly inefficient for running remote applications and its good to know somebody is working on a replacement<br> <br>

Of course the obvious problem with this is finding a way to block the ads running in a remote application. Maybe not if they always appear in the same places, but knowing Google I doubt they will.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well this sure beats HTML + HTTP and Javascript for displaying remote applications .
Web browsers are horribly inefficient for running remote applications and its good to know somebody is working on a replacement Of course the obvious problem with this is finding a way to block the ads running in a remote application .
Maybe not if they always appear in the same places , but knowing Google I doubt they will .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well this sure beats HTML+HTTP and Javascript for displaying remote applications.
Web browsers are horribly inefficient for running remote applications and its good to know somebody is working on a replacement 

Of course the obvious problem with this is finding a way to block the ads running in a remote application.
Maybe not if they always appear in the same places, but knowing Google I doubt they will.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683357</id>
	<title>FreeNX</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1247482680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Was ( is ) open source i thought..  Either way, another player isn't a bad thing.  Especially if its painless to setup on FreeBSD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Was ( is ) open source i thought.. Either way , another player is n't a bad thing .
Especially if its painless to setup on FreeBSD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Was ( is ) open source i thought..  Either way, another player isn't a bad thing.
Especially if its painless to setup on FreeBSD.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28691423</id>
	<title>good news</title>
	<author>pak9rabid</author>
	<datestamp>1247588040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One of the few things left in Linux that hasn't really been worked out yet (well..decently) is remote GUI access.  I had tried exporting X via ssh and using VNC, both of which were completely unacceptable solutions to a "remote desktop" solution over the Internet.  FreeNX however was quite nice, but didn't play very well with KDE4  and multiple displays; after a FreeNX session, I'd come back to my office workstation only to find my desktop completely bastardized.  Hopefully google's implementation of NX fixes that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the few things left in Linux that has n't really been worked out yet ( well..decently ) is remote GUI access .
I had tried exporting X via ssh and using VNC , both of which were completely unacceptable solutions to a " remote desktop " solution over the Internet .
FreeNX however was quite nice , but did n't play very well with KDE4 and multiple displays ; after a FreeNX session , I 'd come back to my office workstation only to find my desktop completely bastardized .
Hopefully google 's implementation of NX fixes that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the few things left in Linux that hasn't really been worked out yet (well..decently) is remote GUI access.
I had tried exporting X via ssh and using VNC, both of which were completely unacceptable solutions to a "remote desktop" solution over the Internet.
FreeNX however was quite nice, but didn't play very well with KDE4  and multiple displays; after a FreeNX session, I'd come back to my office workstation only to find my desktop completely bastardized.
Hopefully google's implementation of NX fixes that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684193</id>
	<title>Re:Where would such technologies be really useful?</title>
	<author>bertoelcon</author>
	<datestamp>1247487600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I wonder whether there are environments where technologies like NeatX can be regarded as "God sent" solutions.</p><p>I know the technology and have used it several times but I still fail to see how it could be useful given the enormous power today's systems have.</p><p>I guess I am calling for serious implementations...anyone?</p></div><p>I am thinking maybe somewhere along the cloud computing scape. I would think that loading the client alone would be less than a minimal netbook OS, while the server handled all the backend work.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder whether there are environments where technologies like NeatX can be regarded as " God sent " solutions.I know the technology and have used it several times but I still fail to see how it could be useful given the enormous power today 's systems have.I guess I am calling for serious implementations...anyone ? I am thinking maybe somewhere along the cloud computing scape .
I would think that loading the client alone would be less than a minimal netbook OS , while the server handled all the backend work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder whether there are environments where technologies like NeatX can be regarded as "God sent" solutions.I know the technology and have used it several times but I still fail to see how it could be useful given the enormous power today's systems have.I guess I am calling for serious implementations...anyone?I am thinking maybe somewhere along the cloud computing scape.
I would think that loading the client alone would be less than a minimal netbook OS, while the server handled all the backend work.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683493</id>
	<title>Open Source NX Server</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247483340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Google Releases Open Source NX Server</p></div></blockquote><p>OK, now how about an open source NX <b>client</b>? Preferably one which doesn't fork off a background process to handle the display and then terminate, making it a PITA to use as an XDMCP-replacement on X terminals. Run until my session ends, damn you!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Google Releases Open Source NX ServerOK , now how about an open source NX client ?
Preferably one which does n't fork off a background process to handle the display and then terminate , making it a PITA to use as an XDMCP-replacement on X terminals .
Run until my session ends , damn you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Google Releases Open Source NX ServerOK, now how about an open source NX client?
Preferably one which doesn't fork off a background process to handle the display and then terminate, making it a PITA to use as an XDMCP-replacement on X terminals.
Run until my session ends, damn you!
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684987</id>
	<title>Re:Where would such technologies be really useful?</title>
	<author>Dominic\_Mazzoni</author>
	<datestamp>1247493060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NX is great for programmers.  When I'm coding, I have 30 emacs windows open, 10 terminals, 50 tabs in Firefox, etc., spread across several virtual desktops.  It takes a while to recreate that state, especially when it's not just the windows, but a lot of useful stuff in each one.  With NX, I can grab my laptop for a while and within 5 seconds I'm accessing the same desktop, with no perceptible latency.  I just need to scroll a bit since I'm viewing a large desktop on a small screen - but it's much better to scroll a bit and continue coding where I left off, than to recreate my state on my laptop.  Then later I close my laptop, go back to my desktop and now I have a nice big monitor again.  It's a seamless transition.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NX is great for programmers .
When I 'm coding , I have 30 emacs windows open , 10 terminals , 50 tabs in Firefox , etc. , spread across several virtual desktops .
It takes a while to recreate that state , especially when it 's not just the windows , but a lot of useful stuff in each one .
With NX , I can grab my laptop for a while and within 5 seconds I 'm accessing the same desktop , with no perceptible latency .
I just need to scroll a bit since I 'm viewing a large desktop on a small screen - but it 's much better to scroll a bit and continue coding where I left off , than to recreate my state on my laptop .
Then later I close my laptop , go back to my desktop and now I have a nice big monitor again .
It 's a seamless transition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NX is great for programmers.
When I'm coding, I have 30 emacs windows open, 10 terminals, 50 tabs in Firefox, etc., spread across several virtual desktops.
It takes a while to recreate that state, especially when it's not just the windows, but a lot of useful stuff in each one.
With NX, I can grab my laptop for a while and within 5 seconds I'm accessing the same desktop, with no perceptible latency.
I just need to scroll a bit since I'm viewing a large desktop on a small screen - but it's much better to scroll a bit and continue coding where I left off, than to recreate my state on my laptop.
Then later I close my laptop, go back to my desktop and now I have a nice big monitor again.
It's a seamless transition.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28685027</id>
	<title>This is huge</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247493420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For those of us that commonly work with compute servers / vm's, etc. NX can be tremendous. One anecdote -- I sometimes run Maple (X or IX I forget the version) on my server and display on my desktop. The version I have uses JAVA's Swing widgets. Its pathetically rough over a remote X connection, even the 1Gb connection I have in the lab. I tried running the same session over the NX protocol using my laptop at home on a relatively slow cable connection (something like 256Kb). It was dramatically smoother and more responsive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For those of us that commonly work with compute servers / vm 's , etc .
NX can be tremendous .
One anecdote -- I sometimes run Maple ( X or IX I forget the version ) on my server and display on my desktop .
The version I have uses JAVA 's Swing widgets .
Its pathetically rough over a remote X connection , even the 1Gb connection I have in the lab .
I tried running the same session over the NX protocol using my laptop at home on a relatively slow cable connection ( something like 256Kb ) .
It was dramatically smoother and more responsive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For those of us that commonly work with compute servers / vm's, etc.
NX can be tremendous.
One anecdote -- I sometimes run Maple (X or IX I forget the version) on my server and display on my desktop.
The version I have uses JAVA's Swing widgets.
Its pathetically rough over a remote X connection, even the 1Gb connection I have in the lab.
I tried running the same session over the NX protocol using my laptop at home on a relatively slow cable connection (something like 256Kb).
It was dramatically smoother and more responsive.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28688719</id>
	<title>Re:Beats Web-apps</title>
	<author>bs7rphb</author>
	<datestamp>1247574060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're absolutely right, and this is just my little problem, but...</p><p>sometimes I wish people would just s/leverage/use/g on everything they write.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're absolutely right , and this is just my little problem , but...sometimes I wish people would just s/leverage/use/g on everything they write .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're absolutely right, and this is just my little problem, but...sometimes I wish people would just s/leverage/use/g on everything they write.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28685759</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683639</id>
	<title>Re:NIH</title>
	<author>Abreu</author>
	<datestamp>1247484360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, it would depend on how much code was written in each language in the original.</p><p>NeatX appears to be 90\% Python, with only a few stuff in Bash and C, so its basically just a Python app</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , it would depend on how much code was written in each language in the original.NeatX appears to be 90 \ % Python , with only a few stuff in Bash and C , so its basically just a Python app</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, it would depend on how much code was written in each language in the original.NeatX appears to be 90\% Python, with only a few stuff in Bash and C, so its basically just a Python app</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28688091</id>
	<title>Re:Timing</title>
	<author>kormat</author>
	<datestamp>1247566680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can assure you that there is no data-collection done in the code (and as it's open-source, you're welcome to verify this for yourself)</p><p>Steve, Neatx project lead</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can assure you that there is no data-collection done in the code ( and as it 's open-source , you 're welcome to verify this for yourself ) Steve , Neatx project lead</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can assure you that there is no data-collection done in the code (and as it's open-source, you're welcome to verify this for yourself)Steve, Neatx project lead</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684313</id>
	<title>Re:NIH</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247488380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't see anything wrong with that logic... or, for that matter, anything "insightful" about your comment. One of the primary strengths of Python is being maintainable.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see anything wrong with that logic... or , for that matter , anything " insightful " about your comment .
One of the primary strengths of Python is being maintainable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see anything wrong with that logic... or, for that matter, anything "insightful" about your comment.
One of the primary strengths of Python is being maintainable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28685111</id>
	<title>before GTK</title>
	<author>OrangeTide</author>
	<datestamp>1247494140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You could use X over a dial-up connection on Motif or Athena. Of course it's not the bandwidth, it's the latency. And the latency of a 14.4K connection is pretty acceptable if you turn off MNP5 and other compression junk, even though X protocol compresses very well the modems tend to have worse latency with the built-in compression. LBX (low bandwidth X) was usually a better compromise than running the general purpose compression, if you were lucky enough to have hosts with the LBX patches installed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You could use X over a dial-up connection on Motif or Athena .
Of course it 's not the bandwidth , it 's the latency .
And the latency of a 14.4K connection is pretty acceptable if you turn off MNP5 and other compression junk , even though X protocol compresses very well the modems tend to have worse latency with the built-in compression .
LBX ( low bandwidth X ) was usually a better compromise than running the general purpose compression , if you were lucky enough to have hosts with the LBX patches installed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You could use X over a dial-up connection on Motif or Athena.
Of course it's not the bandwidth, it's the latency.
And the latency of a 14.4K connection is pretty acceptable if you turn off MNP5 and other compression junk, even though X protocol compresses very well the modems tend to have worse latency with the built-in compression.
LBX (low bandwidth X) was usually a better compromise than running the general purpose compression, if you were lucky enough to have hosts with the LBX patches installed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684117</id>
	<title>Re:Help me Rob Malda you're my only hope!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247487060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Mine got stuck up my ass after I came and then Steve ran out on me! I've been trying to call him to come help me but he won't return my calls.</p></div></blockquote><p>How'd you dial the phone if it was stuck up your ass?<br> <br>Never mind, I don't want to know.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mine got stuck up my ass after I came and then Steve ran out on me !
I 've been trying to call him to come help me but he wo n't return my calls.How 'd you dial the phone if it was stuck up your ass ?
Never mind , I do n't want to know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mine got stuck up my ass after I came and then Steve ran out on me!
I've been trying to call him to come help me but he won't return my calls.How'd you dial the phone if it was stuck up your ass?
Never mind, I don't want to know.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683623</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28689857</id>
	<title>Re:Beats Web-apps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247581020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Now that even modest hardware is extremely powerful, X makes very little sense.</p><p>Err, I usually run X apps off of my server. At least those with memory and CPU requirements beyond what my poor laptop can handle. Among them are Eclipse, Database GUI and some Office apps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Now that even modest hardware is extremely powerful , X makes very little sense.Err , I usually run X apps off of my server .
At least those with memory and CPU requirements beyond what my poor laptop can handle .
Among them are Eclipse , Database GUI and some Office apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Now that even modest hardware is extremely powerful, X makes very little sense.Err, I usually run X apps off of my server.
At least those with memory and CPU requirements beyond what my poor laptop can handle.
Among them are Eclipse, Database GUI and some Office apps.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28685759</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28687685</id>
	<title>NX client for Mac</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247562180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I also am a huge fan of NX. The one drawback that I encountered after I switched to a Mac laptop is that the NoMachine NX client for Macs does not work in fullscreen mode (in fact, it seems like that is the fault of Apple's X server, and they don't have any intention to fix it). A side-effect is that all key combinations are interpreted by Leopard's window manager first, so I can't use any of my usual shortcuts in the NX session. All of this works perfectly in the linux client, now I am hoping to find the same bliss for the Mac.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I also am a huge fan of NX .
The one drawback that I encountered after I switched to a Mac laptop is that the NoMachine NX client for Macs does not work in fullscreen mode ( in fact , it seems like that is the fault of Apple 's X server , and they do n't have any intention to fix it ) .
A side-effect is that all key combinations are interpreted by Leopard 's window manager first , so I ca n't use any of my usual shortcuts in the NX session .
All of this works perfectly in the linux client , now I am hoping to find the same bliss for the Mac .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I also am a huge fan of NX.
The one drawback that I encountered after I switched to a Mac laptop is that the NoMachine NX client for Macs does not work in fullscreen mode (in fact, it seems like that is the fault of Apple's X server, and they don't have any intention to fix it).
A side-effect is that all key combinations are interpreted by Leopard's window manager first, so I can't use any of my usual shortcuts in the NX session.
All of this works perfectly in the linux client, now I am hoping to find the same bliss for the Mac.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683575</id>
	<title>Re:NIH</title>
	<author>Red Flayer</author>
	<datestamp>1247483940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It was unmaintainable because it was written in Bash, Expect, and C, so they rewrote it in Bash, Python, and C?</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, they started to rewrite it in a mix of Haskell, Visual Basic, and Perl.  But the project managers kept spontaneously combusting, so they had to go for a language combo that was a little more commonplace.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was unmaintainable because it was written in Bash , Expect , and C , so they rewrote it in Bash , Python , and C ? Well , they started to rewrite it in a mix of Haskell , Visual Basic , and Perl .
But the project managers kept spontaneously combusting , so they had to go for a language combo that was a little more commonplace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was unmaintainable because it was written in Bash, Expect, and C, so they rewrote it in Bash, Python, and C?Well, they started to rewrite it in a mix of Haskell, Visual Basic, and Perl.
But the project managers kept spontaneously combusting, so they had to go for a language combo that was a little more commonplace.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28685963</id>
	<title>Re:Where would such technologies be really useful?</title>
	<author>moosesocks</author>
	<datestamp>1247501520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because NX on modern hardware can provide a user experience that is virtually indistinguishable from a local desktop.</p><p>Even X or VNC on a fast connection with fast machines on both ends will feel a bit sluggish.  NX works great on old hardware with slow connections -- if you've got multiple clients, you can squeeze more clients out of the same hardware/bandwidth.  This can be a *huge* deal.</p><p>NoMachine's products aren't cheap, but can be totally worth it given the cost savings in hardware, bandwidth, and support.  Their free version also works great for anything but a terminal server.</p><p>You can chalk me up as a *huge* fan of NX.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because NX on modern hardware can provide a user experience that is virtually indistinguishable from a local desktop.Even X or VNC on a fast connection with fast machines on both ends will feel a bit sluggish .
NX works great on old hardware with slow connections -- if you 've got multiple clients , you can squeeze more clients out of the same hardware/bandwidth .
This can be a * huge * deal.NoMachine 's products are n't cheap , but can be totally worth it given the cost savings in hardware , bandwidth , and support .
Their free version also works great for anything but a terminal server.You can chalk me up as a * huge * fan of NX .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because NX on modern hardware can provide a user experience that is virtually indistinguishable from a local desktop.Even X or VNC on a fast connection with fast machines on both ends will feel a bit sluggish.
NX works great on old hardware with slow connections -- if you've got multiple clients, you can squeeze more clients out of the same hardware/bandwidth.
This can be a *huge* deal.NoMachine's products aren't cheap, but can be totally worth it given the cost savings in hardware, bandwidth, and support.
Their free version also works great for anything but a terminal server.You can chalk me up as a *huge* fan of NX.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28689917</id>
	<title>Re:Sucks to be NoMachine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247581260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you really think so? I think quite the opposite.</p><p>
&nbsp; "proper" customers don't have time for open source playing about. Which is why FreeNX is sooo unsuccessful and almost dead. Neatx does not even seem to work, or even install with this or that already on your machine.</p><p>There's nothing easier to install then 3 simple packages from NoMachine.</p><p>All this nonsense. Why do you think Google released it? Because they could not even figure out how to get it to work with NoMachine's own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you really think so ?
I think quite the opposite .
  " proper " customers do n't have time for open source playing about .
Which is why FreeNX is sooo unsuccessful and almost dead .
Neatx does not even seem to work , or even install with this or that already on your machine.There 's nothing easier to install then 3 simple packages from NoMachine.All this nonsense .
Why do you think Google released it ?
Because they could not even figure out how to get it to work with NoMachine 's own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you really think so?
I think quite the opposite.
  "proper" customers don't have time for open source playing about.
Which is why FreeNX is sooo unsuccessful and almost dead.
Neatx does not even seem to work, or even install with this or that already on your machine.There's nothing easier to install then 3 simple packages from NoMachine.All this nonsense.
Why do you think Google released it?
Because they could not even figure out how to get it to work with NoMachine's own.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28704345</id>
	<title>Re:Still requires creation of user "nx"? Noooooo!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247677500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=FreeNX\_Howto</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml ? title = FreeNX \ _Howto</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=FreeNX\_Howto</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28685445</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683623</id>
	<title>Help me Rob Malda you're my only hope!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247484240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Help me Slashdot! Me and Steve Jobs were jacking each other off while we dildoed each others' asses with our iPhone 3Gs. Mine got stuck up my ass after I came and then Steve ran out on me! I've been trying to call him to come help me but he won't return my calls. What do I do?!?!!? I'm so scared...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Help me Slashdot !
Me and Steve Jobs were jacking each other off while we dildoed each others ' asses with our iPhone 3Gs .
Mine got stuck up my ass after I came and then Steve ran out on me !
I 've been trying to call him to come help me but he wo n't return my calls .
What do I do ? ! ? ! ! ?
I 'm so scared.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Help me Slashdot!
Me and Steve Jobs were jacking each other off while we dildoed each others' asses with our iPhone 3Gs.
Mine got stuck up my ass after I came and then Steve ran out on me!
I've been trying to call him to come help me but he won't return my calls.
What do I do?!?!!?
I'm so scared...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683331</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28687281</id>
	<title>Re:Beats Web-apps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247514540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It makes sense for example when you want a centralised installation of some programs. compare it to terminal server in windows..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It makes sense for example when you want a centralised installation of some programs .
compare it to terminal server in windows. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It makes sense for example when you want a centralised installation of some programs.
compare it to terminal server in windows..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684985</id>
	<title>Re:NIH</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247493060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Well, they started to rewrite it in a mix of Haskell, Visual Basic, and Perl.  <b>But the project managers kept spontaneously combusting</b>, so they had to go for a language combo that was a little more commonplace.</p></div><p>I fail to see the downside here. In fact, now that I know it can do that, I will have to create some form of anti-project-manager weapon.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , they started to rewrite it in a mix of Haskell , Visual Basic , and Perl .
But the project managers kept spontaneously combusting , so they had to go for a language combo that was a little more commonplace.I fail to see the downside here .
In fact , now that I know it can do that , I will have to create some form of anti-project-manager weapon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, they started to rewrite it in a mix of Haskell, Visual Basic, and Perl.
But the project managers kept spontaneously combusting, so they had to go for a language combo that was a little more commonplace.I fail to see the downside here.
In fact, now that I know it can do that, I will have to create some form of anti-project-manager weapon.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683575</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684885</id>
	<title>Re:NX just got a little better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247492400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't see why not. It's quite useful sometimes to write classes in C. C doesn't have native object-oriented semantics in the language itself, but you can write classes in any number of object-oriented schemes, such as when extending Python.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't see why not .
It 's quite useful sometimes to write classes in C. C does n't have native object-oriented semantics in the language itself , but you can write classes in any number of object-oriented schemes , such as when extending Python .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't see why not.
It's quite useful sometimes to write classes in C. C doesn't have native object-oriented semantics in the language itself, but you can write classes in any number of object-oriented schemes, such as when extending Python.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683949</id>
	<title>Re:Long time user</title>
	<author>rduke15</author>
	<datestamp>1247486160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I feel like I'm one of a couple dozen NX users</p></div><p>I don't know if many people use NX, but I sure do install it on all my servers now. And while I had trouble with FreeNX, <a href="http://alma.ch/blogs/bahut/2007/02/linux-desktop-gui-in-windows\_05.html" title="alma.ch">the NoMachine version was really easy to setup</a> [alma.ch].</p><p>(I use it with meld and sshfs to compare<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/etc trees between similar servers.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I feel like I 'm one of a couple dozen NX usersI do n't know if many people use NX , but I sure do install it on all my servers now .
And while I had trouble with FreeNX , the NoMachine version was really easy to setup [ alma.ch ] .
( I use it with meld and sshfs to compare /etc trees between similar servers .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I feel like I'm one of a couple dozen NX usersI don't know if many people use NX, but I sure do install it on all my servers now.
And while I had trouble with FreeNX, the NoMachine version was really easy to setup [alma.ch].
(I use it with meld and sshfs to compare /etc trees between similar servers.
)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28692783</id>
	<title>Re:Still requires creation of user "nx"? Noooooo!</title>
	<author>neurovish</author>
	<datestamp>1247593800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WTF?<br>This isn't the kind of thing that users should install...and from your post, I would say especially not you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF ? This is n't the kind of thing that users should install...and from your post , I would say especially not you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF?This isn't the kind of thing that users should install...and from your post, I would say especially not you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684741</id>
	<title>Will they fix the different per-bit color?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247491260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The one thing that keeps me from running NX is that it won't let me connect to my session unless both the server and client run the exact same color depth.  With VNC, I can connect to my 16-bit color X session at home on my 32-bit color Windows client at work.  With NX, unless both desktops are running the exact same color depth, it won't connect.  If there's a way around this, Google's search hasn't shown me anything.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The one thing that keeps me from running NX is that it wo n't let me connect to my session unless both the server and client run the exact same color depth .
With VNC , I can connect to my 16-bit color X session at home on my 32-bit color Windows client at work .
With NX , unless both desktops are running the exact same color depth , it wo n't connect .
If there 's a way around this , Google 's search has n't shown me anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The one thing that keeps me from running NX is that it won't let me connect to my session unless both the server and client run the exact same color depth.
With VNC, I can connect to my 16-bit color X session at home on my 32-bit color Windows client at work.
With NX, unless both desktops are running the exact same color depth, it won't connect.
If there's a way around this, Google's search hasn't shown me anything.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28693287</id>
	<title>Re:Still requires creation of user "nx"? Noooooo!</title>
	<author>Bobzibub</author>
	<datestamp>1247595780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Change your name to Nicolopolous Xanzapooo<br>(Or buy your IT guys beer.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Change your name to Nicolopolous Xanzapooo ( Or buy your IT guys beer .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Change your name to Nicolopolous Xanzapooo(Or buy your IT guys beer.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28691981</id>
	<title>Perhaps a better NX engine, too</title>
	<author>Burz</author>
	<datestamp>1247590380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's face it, NXserver may have fixed a performance issue but as I recall it still couldn't enable you for common remote situations, like connect to an existing desktop or share an application window with someone else (at least not without resorting to VNC). You were still limited to viewing one app by only one person, so an app window launched on my machine by a remote NX user wasn't even visible to me locally. If the remote user logged into the existing 'Burz' desktop, they would get a separate instance of it.... not very useful.</p><p>I remember reading this was a limitation of X11 and/or NXserver internals. If its the former, then we really need to wake up and dump this architecture quick. If the latter, then hopefully Google will be able to contribute in these areas.</p><p>Also, NXserver made you reconfigure ssh to where key-only logins weren't possible. Hampering ssh like this shouldn't be necessary.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's face it , NXserver may have fixed a performance issue but as I recall it still could n't enable you for common remote situations , like connect to an existing desktop or share an application window with someone else ( at least not without resorting to VNC ) .
You were still limited to viewing one app by only one person , so an app window launched on my machine by a remote NX user was n't even visible to me locally .
If the remote user logged into the existing 'Burz ' desktop , they would get a separate instance of it.... not very useful.I remember reading this was a limitation of X11 and/or NXserver internals .
If its the former , then we really need to wake up and dump this architecture quick .
If the latter , then hopefully Google will be able to contribute in these areas.Also , NXserver made you reconfigure ssh to where key-only logins were n't possible .
Hampering ssh like this should n't be necessary .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's face it, NXserver may have fixed a performance issue but as I recall it still couldn't enable you for common remote situations, like connect to an existing desktop or share an application window with someone else (at least not without resorting to VNC).
You were still limited to viewing one app by only one person, so an app window launched on my machine by a remote NX user wasn't even visible to me locally.
If the remote user logged into the existing 'Burz' desktop, they would get a separate instance of it.... not very useful.I remember reading this was a limitation of X11 and/or NXserver internals.
If its the former, then we really need to wake up and dump this architecture quick.
If the latter, then hopefully Google will be able to contribute in these areas.Also, NXserver made you reconfigure ssh to where key-only logins weren't possible.
Hampering ssh like this shouldn't be necessary.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683925</id>
	<title>Re:NX just got a little better</title>
	<author>wmbetts</author>
	<datestamp>1247486040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I love FreeNX and have used it for a long time, I can't wait to try this...</p><p>I also love Python as a language and I used to be an it's C/C++ or Java or it's not worth it.</p><p>After falling in love with Python, it is let me see if python can handle this with speed, if not, I'll write a class in C and use python to Access if needed.</p><p>I don't really see why they even really need the bash scripts though.</p><p>If you use any POSIX system remotely and like GUI's, NX is a must.  VNC and Plain X are slow (even with ssh compression)</p></div><p>I have a feeling you won't  be writing a class in C.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I love FreeNX and have used it for a long time , I ca n't wait to try this...I also love Python as a language and I used to be an it 's C/C + + or Java or it 's not worth it.After falling in love with Python , it is let me see if python can handle this with speed , if not , I 'll write a class in C and use python to Access if needed.I do n't really see why they even really need the bash scripts though.If you use any POSIX system remotely and like GUI 's , NX is a must .
VNC and Plain X are slow ( even with ssh compression ) I have a feeling you wo n't be writing a class in C .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love FreeNX and have used it for a long time, I can't wait to try this...I also love Python as a language and I used to be an it's C/C++ or Java or it's not worth it.After falling in love with Python, it is let me see if python can handle this with speed, if not, I'll write a class in C and use python to Access if needed.I don't really see why they even really need the bash scripts though.If you use any POSIX system remotely and like GUI's, NX is a must.
VNC and Plain X are slow (even with ssh compression)I have a feeling you won't  be writing a class in C.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28688001</id>
	<title>Re:NIH</title>
	<author>kormat</author>
	<datestamp>1247565720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good question -) However, have a look at the different language breakdowns between the codebases.</p><p>FreeNX:<br>5.4k lines of bash<br>233 lines of C<br>102 lines of expect</p><p>Neatx:<br>5.7k lines of python<br>400 lines of C<br>54 lines of bash</p><p>The bash in neatx is there to provide wrapping of the python code, so that any unhandled errors etc are logged. It's a belt-and-britches approach.</p><p>Steve, Neatx project lead</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good question - ) However , have a look at the different language breakdowns between the codebases.FreeNX : 5.4k lines of bash233 lines of C102 lines of expectNeatx : 5.7k lines of python400 lines of C54 lines of bashThe bash in neatx is there to provide wrapping of the python code , so that any unhandled errors etc are logged .
It 's a belt-and-britches approach.Steve , Neatx project lead</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good question -) However, have a look at the different language breakdowns between the codebases.FreeNX:5.4k lines of bash233 lines of C102 lines of expectNeatx:5.7k lines of python400 lines of C54 lines of bashThe bash in neatx is there to provide wrapping of the python code, so that any unhandled errors etc are logged.
It's a belt-and-britches approach.Steve, Neatx project lead</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683365</id>
	<title>Root is like crack</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247482740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><b>Root is like crack.</b> Don't smoke it.  I did once and got hooked.  I ran Mac OS Updates as root.  ****, I even had sex with my girlfriend as root.  Man, that caused some permissions problems.  When I started the road to recovery (logging in as Zacks) my girlfriend was all like: &quot;**** no!  You can't get any cause you don't own me an I don't go groups.  You don't have the power to read, write OR execute so get out of my FACE&quot;  So I was all HELL NO bitch.  And she wuz like you do not have root (superuser) privlages so get out of my TruBlueEnvironment!  So then I went chown and chmodded her ass to me.  Dat be-otch be up in my hizzouse.  What what.  Holla!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Root is like crack .
Do n't smoke it .
I did once and got hooked .
I ran Mac OS Updates as root .
* * * * , I even had sex with my girlfriend as root .
Man , that caused some permissions problems .
When I started the road to recovery ( logging in as Zacks ) my girlfriend was all like : " * * * * no !
You ca n't get any cause you do n't own me an I do n't go groups .
You do n't have the power to read , write OR execute so get out of my FACE " So I was all HELL NO bitch .
And she wuz like you do not have root ( superuser ) privlages so get out of my TruBlueEnvironment !
So then I went chown and chmodded her ass to me .
Dat be-otch be up in my hizzouse .
What what .
Holla !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Root is like crack.
Don't smoke it.
I did once and got hooked.
I ran Mac OS Updates as root.
****, I even had sex with my girlfriend as root.
Man, that caused some permissions problems.
When I started the road to recovery (logging in as Zacks) my girlfriend was all like: "**** no!
You can't get any cause you don't own me an I don't go groups.
You don't have the power to read, write OR execute so get out of my FACE"  So I was all HELL NO bitch.
And she wuz like you do not have root (superuser) privlages so get out of my TruBlueEnvironment!
So then I went chown and chmodded her ass to me.
Dat be-otch be up in my hizzouse.
What what.
Holla!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28685235</id>
	<title>Re:NX just got a little better</title>
	<author>Z34107</author>
	<datestamp>1247495580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>I have a feeling you won't be writing a class in C.</i> </p><p>Sure, ya can.  Create a struct with function pointers.  Ta da!  Just very little language support for silly things like "inheritance"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...  Call it "explicit polymorphism!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a feeling you wo n't be writing a class in C. Sure , ya can .
Create a struct with function pointers .
Ta da !
Just very little language support for silly things like " inheritance " ... Call it " explicit polymorphism !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I have a feeling you won't be writing a class in C. Sure, ya can.
Create a struct with function pointers.
Ta da!
Just very little language support for silly things like "inheritance" ...  Call it "explicit polymorphism!
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683925</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28690927</id>
	<title>Competition good!  Napster bad.</title>
	<author>boeroboy</author>
	<datestamp>1247585760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny I'm actually using NX right now.  NoMachine hasn't released an update for their client in eons, and there are plenty of bugs that irk me.  Maybe this competition will whip them into shape.  Or maybe I'll switch...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny I 'm actually using NX right now .
NoMachine has n't released an update for their client in eons , and there are plenty of bugs that irk me .
Maybe this competition will whip them into shape .
Or maybe I 'll switch.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny I'm actually using NX right now.
NoMachine hasn't released an update for their client in eons, and there are plenty of bugs that irk me.
Maybe this competition will whip them into shape.
Or maybe I'll switch...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683331</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683791</id>
	<title>Re:Long time user</title>
	<author>tzanger</author>
	<datestamp>1247485380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>NX Free edition is non-trivial to install?  There are three packages to download and install off of nomachine's website.  It just works once they're installed.  What are you talking about?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>NX Free edition is non-trivial to install ?
There are three packages to download and install off of nomachine 's website .
It just works once they 're installed .
What are you talking about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NX Free edition is non-trivial to install?
There are three packages to download and install off of nomachine's website.
It just works once they're installed.
What are you talking about?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683513</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684331</id>
	<title>Chrome OS?</title>
	<author>Lalo Martins</author>
	<datestamp>1247488440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hmm, <em>lost in the shuffle of the Chrome OS announcement</em>... but maybe it's <strong>related</strong>? I can see such a component being hugely useful on Chrome OS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm , lost in the shuffle of the Chrome OS announcement... but maybe it 's related ?
I can see such a component being hugely useful on Chrome OS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm, lost in the shuffle of the Chrome OS announcement... but maybe it's related?
I can see such a component being hugely useful on Chrome OS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684167</id>
	<title>Re:Where would such technologies be really useful?</title>
	<author>Nerdfest</author>
	<datestamp>1247487360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This might be extremely useful if one wanted to implement a server component of thin client, or a web based OS. I seem to recall a lot of stuff about one of those in the news lately. (It may be completely unrelated, but they may have some plans for it).</htmltext>
<tokenext>This might be extremely useful if one wanted to implement a server component of thin client , or a web based OS .
I seem to recall a lot of stuff about one of those in the news lately .
( It may be completely unrelated , but they may have some plans for it ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This might be extremely useful if one wanted to implement a server component of thin client, or a web based OS.
I seem to recall a lot of stuff about one of those in the news lately.
(It may be completely unrelated, but they may have some plans for it).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683559</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28688009</id>
	<title>graphical display usable over the Internet</title>
	<author>viralMeme</author>
	<datestamp>1247565780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've tried <a href="http://www.nomachine.com/" title="nomachine.com">NoMachine</a> [nomachine.com] and found it the most responsive compared to other solutions. Of course the GUI is over rated, as any dyed in the wool techie uses <a href="http://www.putty.org/" title="putty.org">SSH</a> [putty.org] + <a href="http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/" title="gnu.org">BASH</a> [gnu.org] + <a href="http://www.midnight-commander.org/" title="midnight-commander.org">MC</a> [midnight-commander.org] + <a href="/www.washington.edu/pine/" title="slashdot.org">PINE</a> [slashdot.org]<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've tried NoMachine [ nomachine.com ] and found it the most responsive compared to other solutions .
Of course the GUI is over rated , as any dyed in the wool techie uses SSH [ putty.org ] + BASH [ gnu.org ] + MC [ midnight-commander.org ] + PINE [ slashdot.org ] .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've tried NoMachine [nomachine.com] and found it the most responsive compared to other solutions.
Of course the GUI is over rated, as any dyed in the wool techie uses SSH [putty.org] + BASH [gnu.org] + MC [midnight-commander.org] + PINE [slashdot.org] ...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28692453</id>
	<title>What about remote OS X desktop on Linux?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247592300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hi,</p><p>I'm using the pathetically slow VNC protocol (even on a LAN it's a pain) to access my Mac Mini from my Linux workstation.  To access Windows system, I use Windows' remote desktop which rocks (Windows suck big megadonkey balls IMHO, but their remote desktop protocol is good).  To access other Unix system I use FreeNX, which rocks even more (this pwns Windows remote desktop in unimaginable ways), someone mentionned using X over a 19200 baud connection, FreeNX is just *that* fast.</p><p>But is there a way to access OS X remotely on Linux that sucks less than VNC?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi,I 'm using the pathetically slow VNC protocol ( even on a LAN it 's a pain ) to access my Mac Mini from my Linux workstation .
To access Windows system , I use Windows ' remote desktop which rocks ( Windows suck big megadonkey balls IMHO , but their remote desktop protocol is good ) .
To access other Unix system I use FreeNX , which rocks even more ( this pwns Windows remote desktop in unimaginable ways ) , someone mentionned using X over a 19200 baud connection , FreeNX is just * that * fast.But is there a way to access OS X remotely on Linux that sucks less than VNC ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi,I'm using the pathetically slow VNC protocol (even on a LAN it's a pain) to access my Mac Mini from my Linux workstation.
To access Windows system, I use Windows' remote desktop which rocks (Windows suck big megadonkey balls IMHO, but their remote desktop protocol is good).
To access other Unix system I use FreeNX, which rocks even more (this pwns Windows remote desktop in unimaginable ways), someone mentionned using X over a 19200 baud connection, FreeNX is just *that* fast.But is there a way to access OS X remotely on Linux that sucks less than VNC?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684169</id>
	<title>Re:NIH</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247487360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Needs more INTERCAL, me thinks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Needs more INTERCAL , me thinks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Needs more INTERCAL, me thinks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683407</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28694447</id>
	<title>This is fantastic</title>
	<author>astrashe</author>
	<datestamp>1247600700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I use NX all the time -- I'm using it now.  My main desktop is on a VPS account, that I hit from both work and home.</p><p>The criticisms of the NX server are right on the money.  It's pretty rough.  Problems don't get fixed, and it doesn't move forward.</p><p>I doubt this is what Google is thinking, but it seems to me that NX represents an alternative way to do the cloud.  I have everything in the cloud -- a full suite of desktop apps -- because I use my VPS and NX.  It all just works.  And it's all under my control.  There aren't any privacy issues.</p><p>So I'm really pleased by this development.</p><p>Thanks to the folks at Google for this project.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I use NX all the time -- I 'm using it now .
My main desktop is on a VPS account , that I hit from both work and home.The criticisms of the NX server are right on the money .
It 's pretty rough .
Problems do n't get fixed , and it does n't move forward.I doubt this is what Google is thinking , but it seems to me that NX represents an alternative way to do the cloud .
I have everything in the cloud -- a full suite of desktop apps -- because I use my VPS and NX .
It all just works .
And it 's all under my control .
There are n't any privacy issues.So I 'm really pleased by this development.Thanks to the folks at Google for this project .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I use NX all the time -- I'm using it now.
My main desktop is on a VPS account, that I hit from both work and home.The criticisms of the NX server are right on the money.
It's pretty rough.
Problems don't get fixed, and it doesn't move forward.I doubt this is what Google is thinking, but it seems to me that NX represents an alternative way to do the cloud.
I have everything in the cloud -- a full suite of desktop apps -- because I use my VPS and NX.
It all just works.
And it's all under my control.
There aren't any privacy issues.So I'm really pleased by this development.Thanks to the folks at Google for this project.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28686299</id>
	<title>Re:NX just got a little better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247504100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>After falling in love with Python, it is let me see if python can handle this with speed, if not, I'll write a <i>class</i> in C and...</p></div><p>You have some serious C skillz.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>After falling in love with Python , it is let me see if python can handle this with speed , if not , I 'll write a class in C and...You have some serious C skillz .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>After falling in love with Python, it is let me see if python can handle this with speed, if not, I'll write a class in C and...You have some serious C skillz.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683569</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28688909</id>
	<title>Re:Still requires creation of user "nx"? Noooooo!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247576100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can't you run it as your own user?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ca n't you run it as your own user ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can't you run it as your own user?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28685445</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684377</id>
	<title>Re:NIH</title>
	<author>civilizedINTENSITY</author>
	<datestamp>1247488800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>functional (x server) server side javascript!  soon it'll all be javascript, hehehe<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>functional ( x server ) server side javascript !
soon it 'll all be javascript , hehehe ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>functional (x server) server side javascript!
soon it'll all be javascript, hehehe ;-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683575</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684035</id>
	<title>Re:NX just got a little better</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247486640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>gobject<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>gobject : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>gobject :)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683925</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28688127</id>
	<title>Re:Still requires creation of user "nx"? Noooooo!</title>
	<author>kormat</author>
	<datestamp>1247567040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually the "nx" user isn't required, neatx supports operating without. However, NoMachine's nxclient doesn't support this, as it assumes that it should always log in as the "nx" user. So, if you're using !M's nxclient, you need to do a small bit of modification client-side. Here's an example of what to do client-side (though the beginning of the post is specific to FreeNX): <a href="http://www.felipe-alfaro.org/blog/2009/01/18/freenx-usermode-authentication-and-mac-os-x/" title="felipe-alfaro.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.felipe-alfaro.org/blog/2009/01/18/freenx-usermode-authentication-and-mac-os-x/</a> [felipe-alfaro.org]</p><p>Steve, Neatx project lead</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually the " nx " user is n't required , neatx supports operating without .
However , NoMachine 's nxclient does n't support this , as it assumes that it should always log in as the " nx " user .
So , if you 're using ! M 's nxclient , you need to do a small bit of modification client-side .
Here 's an example of what to do client-side ( though the beginning of the post is specific to FreeNX ) : http : //www.felipe-alfaro.org/blog/2009/01/18/freenx-usermode-authentication-and-mac-os-x/ [ felipe-alfaro.org ] Steve , Neatx project lead</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually the "nx" user isn't required, neatx supports operating without.
However, NoMachine's nxclient doesn't support this, as it assumes that it should always log in as the "nx" user.
So, if you're using !M's nxclient, you need to do a small bit of modification client-side.
Here's an example of what to do client-side (though the beginning of the post is specific to FreeNX): http://www.felipe-alfaro.org/blog/2009/01/18/freenx-usermode-authentication-and-mac-os-x/ [felipe-alfaro.org]Steve, Neatx project lead</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28685445</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683513</id>
	<title>Long time user</title>
	<author>bhsx</author>
	<datestamp>1247483400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a longtime NX user, this will be very well received.  I feel like I'm one of a couple dozen NX users, however, meaning that I think this will go largely unnoticed by mainstream users.  The non-proprietary NX-server packages are very non-trivial to install and all attempts thus far at a completed server setup have remained inadequate and completely fly-by-night/unmaintained.  I hope people start to use this more and thus perhaps even push the technology farther.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a longtime NX user , this will be very well received .
I feel like I 'm one of a couple dozen NX users , however , meaning that I think this will go largely unnoticed by mainstream users .
The non-proprietary NX-server packages are very non-trivial to install and all attempts thus far at a completed server setup have remained inadequate and completely fly-by-night/unmaintained .
I hope people start to use this more and thus perhaps even push the technology farther .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a longtime NX user, this will be very well received.
I feel like I'm one of a couple dozen NX users, however, meaning that I think this will go largely unnoticed by mainstream users.
The non-proprietary NX-server packages are very non-trivial to install and all attempts thus far at a completed server setup have remained inadequate and completely fly-by-night/unmaintained.
I hope people start to use this more and thus perhaps even push the technology farther.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683559</id>
	<title>Where would such technologies be really useful?</title>
	<author>bogaboga</author>
	<datestamp>1247483820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder whether there are environments where technologies like NeatX can be regarded as "God sent" solutions.</p><p>I know the technology and have used it several times but I still fail to see how it could be useful given the enormous power today's systems have.</p><p>I guess I am calling for serious implementations...anyone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder whether there are environments where technologies like NeatX can be regarded as " God sent " solutions.I know the technology and have used it several times but I still fail to see how it could be useful given the enormous power today 's systems have.I guess I am calling for serious implementations...anyone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder whether there are environments where technologies like NeatX can be regarded as "God sent" solutions.I know the technology and have used it several times but I still fail to see how it could be useful given the enormous power today's systems have.I guess I am calling for serious implementations...anyone?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683681</id>
	<title>Re:wasnt that the whole point of XWindows?</title>
	<author>AKAImBatman</author>
	<datestamp>1247484540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>wasnt that the whole point of XWindows?</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes. But it failed to account for future advancements in graphics technology. Thus regular desktop usage became too heavyweight for wide deployment. Thin clients splintered in the directions of Citrix, NX, and VNC. Microsoft also screwed over Citrix and developed RDP.</p><p>NX basically is the X11 protocol with many of the issues that make it suck removed. This is accomplished through imperceptible delays to bunch up commands, compression of packets, and caching of previously executed series of commands.</p><blockquote><div><p>XWindows was remote window graphics developed at Stanford and fortified at MIT during the 1980s.</p></div></blockquote><p>X Windowing System, actually. X11 for short.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>wasnt that the whole point of XWindows ? Yes .
But it failed to account for future advancements in graphics technology .
Thus regular desktop usage became too heavyweight for wide deployment .
Thin clients splintered in the directions of Citrix , NX , and VNC .
Microsoft also screwed over Citrix and developed RDP.NX basically is the X11 protocol with many of the issues that make it suck removed .
This is accomplished through imperceptible delays to bunch up commands , compression of packets , and caching of previously executed series of commands.XWindows was remote window graphics developed at Stanford and fortified at MIT during the 1980s.X Windowing System , actually .
X11 for short .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wasnt that the whole point of XWindows?Yes.
But it failed to account for future advancements in graphics technology.
Thus regular desktop usage became too heavyweight for wide deployment.
Thin clients splintered in the directions of Citrix, NX, and VNC.
Microsoft also screwed over Citrix and developed RDP.NX basically is the X11 protocol with many of the issues that make it suck removed.
This is accomplished through imperceptible delays to bunch up commands, compression of packets, and caching of previously executed series of commands.XWindows was remote window graphics developed at Stanford and fortified at MIT during the 1980s.X Windowing System, actually.
X11 for short.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683481</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683863</id>
	<title>It's no Quartz</title>
	<author>gig</author>
	<datestamp>1247485740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If Google is serious about Android and Chrome OS, then they will build something like Apple's Quartz. There is no substitute for doing this all in OpenGL.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If Google is serious about Android and Chrome OS , then they will build something like Apple 's Quartz .
There is no substitute for doing this all in OpenGL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If Google is serious about Android and Chrome OS, then they will build something like Apple's Quartz.
There is no substitute for doing this all in OpenGL.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684441</id>
	<title>Re:It's no Quartz</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247489160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The use of a layer such as Qwartz for Android and Chrome is somewhat independent from Google's working on an NX server though, isn't it?  NX is a protocol and client / server code for implementing remote applications with good performance, even over low bandwidth and / or high latency links.  It was developed by NoMachine, although others (such as FreeNX and 2X) have also built NX servers.  So it really serves a very different (and somewhat orthogonal, though it *is* X11-based) purpose to Quartz.</p><p>When you mentioned Quartz, I assumed you meant the compositing layer but Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz\_(graphics\_layer)) helpfully mentions that both the 2D rendering engining and the Quartz Extreme compositor are sometimes just lumped together as "Quartz".  Confusing!  So I'm not really sure which you mean<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p><p>I'm not clear from the Wikipedia articles whether GL acceleration is yet used by default for Quartz 2D, the rendering engine. though of course the Quartz Extreme Compositor has been doing that for years.</p><p>Anyhow, I was going to note that - if you discount X+compiz or whatever as being too heavyweight to be equivalent - the Wayland display server (http://groups.google.com/group/wayland-display-server) is the nearest Linux-land thing I'm aware to Quartz Extreme and it's a pretty neat project at that.  Cunningly, Wayland reuses a *lot* of existing X.org infrastructure, it looks like it should be able to support an accelerated X server efficiently as a client *and* they have ideas for what it could be used for even if the rest of the world don't start porting their toolkits to it.  So it's a fairly exciting piece of work for the future of display systems on Unix-likes.</p><p>Nearest thing to Quartz 2D would seem to be things like Cairo and QT's Arthur.  They've been around for a while; I know Cairo can render using GL and would be amazed if Arthur couldn't.</p><p>I've no idea what Android runs for its display stack but I'd think that Chrome OS, running on bigger hardware, will have the option of running desktop-class servers and libraries like this.  I can't see a move to Wayland by anybody *just* yet but perhaps it's viable for a future revision.</p><p>In the meantime, if Google's NeatX makes more seamless, higher performing remote desktop available to more people - that's awesome.  One day I might even run it on my server and access it from a netbook - running Chrome OS, perhaps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The use of a layer such as Qwartz for Android and Chrome is somewhat independent from Google 's working on an NX server though , is n't it ?
NX is a protocol and client / server code for implementing remote applications with good performance , even over low bandwidth and / or high latency links .
It was developed by NoMachine , although others ( such as FreeNX and 2X ) have also built NX servers .
So it really serves a very different ( and somewhat orthogonal , though it * is * X11-based ) purpose to Quartz.When you mentioned Quartz , I assumed you meant the compositing layer but Wikipedia ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz \ _ ( graphics \ _layer ) ) helpfully mentions that both the 2D rendering engining and the Quartz Extreme compositor are sometimes just lumped together as " Quartz " .
Confusing ! So I 'm not really sure which you mean ; - ) I 'm not clear from the Wikipedia articles whether GL acceleration is yet used by default for Quartz 2D , the rendering engine .
though of course the Quartz Extreme Compositor has been doing that for years.Anyhow , I was going to note that - if you discount X + compiz or whatever as being too heavyweight to be equivalent - the Wayland display server ( http : //groups.google.com/group/wayland-display-server ) is the nearest Linux-land thing I 'm aware to Quartz Extreme and it 's a pretty neat project at that .
Cunningly , Wayland reuses a * lot * of existing X.org infrastructure , it looks like it should be able to support an accelerated X server efficiently as a client * and * they have ideas for what it could be used for even if the rest of the world do n't start porting their toolkits to it .
So it 's a fairly exciting piece of work for the future of display systems on Unix-likes.Nearest thing to Quartz 2D would seem to be things like Cairo and QT 's Arthur .
They 've been around for a while ; I know Cairo can render using GL and would be amazed if Arthur could n't.I 've no idea what Android runs for its display stack but I 'd think that Chrome OS , running on bigger hardware , will have the option of running desktop-class servers and libraries like this .
I ca n't see a move to Wayland by anybody * just * yet but perhaps it 's viable for a future revision.In the meantime , if Google 's NeatX makes more seamless , higher performing remote desktop available to more people - that 's awesome .
One day I might even run it on my server and access it from a netbook - running Chrome OS , perhaps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The use of a layer such as Qwartz for Android and Chrome is somewhat independent from Google's working on an NX server though, isn't it?
NX is a protocol and client / server code for implementing remote applications with good performance, even over low bandwidth and / or high latency links.
It was developed by NoMachine, although others (such as FreeNX and 2X) have also built NX servers.
So it really serves a very different (and somewhat orthogonal, though it *is* X11-based) purpose to Quartz.When you mentioned Quartz, I assumed you meant the compositing layer but Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz\_(graphics\_layer)) helpfully mentions that both the 2D rendering engining and the Quartz Extreme compositor are sometimes just lumped together as "Quartz".
Confusing!  So I'm not really sure which you mean ;-)I'm not clear from the Wikipedia articles whether GL acceleration is yet used by default for Quartz 2D, the rendering engine.
though of course the Quartz Extreme Compositor has been doing that for years.Anyhow, I was going to note that - if you discount X+compiz or whatever as being too heavyweight to be equivalent - the Wayland display server (http://groups.google.com/group/wayland-display-server) is the nearest Linux-land thing I'm aware to Quartz Extreme and it's a pretty neat project at that.
Cunningly, Wayland reuses a *lot* of existing X.org infrastructure, it looks like it should be able to support an accelerated X server efficiently as a client *and* they have ideas for what it could be used for even if the rest of the world don't start porting their toolkits to it.
So it's a fairly exciting piece of work for the future of display systems on Unix-likes.Nearest thing to Quartz 2D would seem to be things like Cairo and QT's Arthur.
They've been around for a while; I know Cairo can render using GL and would be amazed if Arthur couldn't.I've no idea what Android runs for its display stack but I'd think that Chrome OS, running on bigger hardware, will have the option of running desktop-class servers and libraries like this.
I can't see a move to Wayland by anybody *just* yet but perhaps it's viable for a future revision.In the meantime, if Google's NeatX makes more seamless, higher performing remote desktop available to more people - that's awesome.
One day I might even run it on my server and access it from a netbook - running Chrome OS, perhaps.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28686739</id>
	<title>Re:Still requires creation of user "nx"? Noooooo!</title>
	<author>pembo13</author>
	<datestamp>1247507580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; I'm not in the IT department, I don't have root access,</p><p>Yah... I don't think you should be enabling RPD or installing VNC either then</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I 'm not in the IT department , I do n't have root access,Yah... I do n't think you should be enabling RPD or installing VNC either then</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I'm not in the IT department, I don't have root access,Yah... I don't think you should be enabling RPD or installing VNC either then</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28691409</id>
	<title>Re:Beats Web-apps</title>
	<author>Hatta</author>
	<datestamp>1247587980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>X makes very little sense</i></p><p>Really?  How will web apps help me move a single browser session from computer to computer as I move around during the day?  I agree that X and web apps are for different purposes, but saying that remote X makes little sense is just wrong.  It's extremely useful, and this improvement is very welcome.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>X makes very little senseReally ?
How will web apps help me move a single browser session from computer to computer as I move around during the day ?
I agree that X and web apps are for different purposes , but saying that remote X makes little sense is just wrong .
It 's extremely useful , and this improvement is very welcome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>X makes very little senseReally?
How will web apps help me move a single browser session from computer to computer as I move around during the day?
I agree that X and web apps are for different purposes, but saying that remote X makes little sense is just wrong.
It's extremely useful, and this improvement is very welcome.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684581</id>
	<title>Re:NIH</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247489880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FreeNX, are you kidding me? I thought the open source world has moved on to x2go a long time ago?</p><p>NIH regardless.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FreeNX , are you kidding me ?
I thought the open source world has moved on to x2go a long time ago ? NIH regardless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FreeNX, are you kidding me?
I thought the open source world has moved on to x2go a long time ago?NIH regardless.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684019</id>
	<title>Re:Where would such technologies be really useful?</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1247486580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd say that, these days, it is more about session persistence, network location, and access to local and/or network resources that make these technologies most useful.<br> <br>
VNC/RDP, for instance, make it really easy to have your entire desktop session, with all open programs, program state, etc. on one computer available over the network from another computer. If you have a whole bunch of windows open, with lots of tabs, and a half finished document, and some other stuff you are referring to, it is way more convenient to just connect to your session, rather than try to recreate it on another machine.<br> <br>

Citrix, X, and NX are really convenient for situations where a program's context matters. If I just want to type out a shopping list, or check a web page, it doesn't really matter where the program I use runs(which usually means that I should run it locally, because latency sucks). If, though, I'm opening my bittorrent client, or trying to edit some documents at work, it matters where the program is running. I want my bittorrent client to be running on a computer with a fast pipe and a big disk, even if I'm controlling it from my cellphone. If I'm trying to edit some work documents, I want Word running on my work's LAN, so all my documents on the fileserver will be available(without the risks involved in just copying stuff to my laptop, then leaving it on the train).<br> <br>

I worked at a school where the latter use was common and fairly highly valued. We didn't want to deal with the hassle of hundreds or thousands of potentially infected machines belonging to students and faculty having VPN access to the LAN. We did want students and faculty to be able to access their documents and email when they were at home. To solve the problem, we used Citrix to offer remote access to all the common programs that students and staff would use to view or edit documents, set up so that the programs would have access to the files of the user that logged in.<br> <br>

It wasn't perfect; but it largely worked. The user would go to a web portal, enter their credentials, and get a bunch of clickable icons. Click on "Word" or whatever and it would(after a few moments of Citrix doing its thing) pop up, looking modestly like a local application. If you hit "Open", though, you'd have access to all your documents from our fileserver. Super easy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd say that , these days , it is more about session persistence , network location , and access to local and/or network resources that make these technologies most useful .
VNC/RDP , for instance , make it really easy to have your entire desktop session , with all open programs , program state , etc .
on one computer available over the network from another computer .
If you have a whole bunch of windows open , with lots of tabs , and a half finished document , and some other stuff you are referring to , it is way more convenient to just connect to your session , rather than try to recreate it on another machine .
Citrix , X , and NX are really convenient for situations where a program 's context matters .
If I just want to type out a shopping list , or check a web page , it does n't really matter where the program I use runs ( which usually means that I should run it locally , because latency sucks ) .
If , though , I 'm opening my bittorrent client , or trying to edit some documents at work , it matters where the program is running .
I want my bittorrent client to be running on a computer with a fast pipe and a big disk , even if I 'm controlling it from my cellphone .
If I 'm trying to edit some work documents , I want Word running on my work 's LAN , so all my documents on the fileserver will be available ( without the risks involved in just copying stuff to my laptop , then leaving it on the train ) .
I worked at a school where the latter use was common and fairly highly valued .
We did n't want to deal with the hassle of hundreds or thousands of potentially infected machines belonging to students and faculty having VPN access to the LAN .
We did want students and faculty to be able to access their documents and email when they were at home .
To solve the problem , we used Citrix to offer remote access to all the common programs that students and staff would use to view or edit documents , set up so that the programs would have access to the files of the user that logged in .
It was n't perfect ; but it largely worked .
The user would go to a web portal , enter their credentials , and get a bunch of clickable icons .
Click on " Word " or whatever and it would ( after a few moments of Citrix doing its thing ) pop up , looking modestly like a local application .
If you hit " Open " , though , you 'd have access to all your documents from our fileserver .
Super easy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd say that, these days, it is more about session persistence, network location, and access to local and/or network resources that make these technologies most useful.
VNC/RDP, for instance, make it really easy to have your entire desktop session, with all open programs, program state, etc.
on one computer available over the network from another computer.
If you have a whole bunch of windows open, with lots of tabs, and a half finished document, and some other stuff you are referring to, it is way more convenient to just connect to your session, rather than try to recreate it on another machine.
Citrix, X, and NX are really convenient for situations where a program's context matters.
If I just want to type out a shopping list, or check a web page, it doesn't really matter where the program I use runs(which usually means that I should run it locally, because latency sucks).
If, though, I'm opening my bittorrent client, or trying to edit some documents at work, it matters where the program is running.
I want my bittorrent client to be running on a computer with a fast pipe and a big disk, even if I'm controlling it from my cellphone.
If I'm trying to edit some work documents, I want Word running on my work's LAN, so all my documents on the fileserver will be available(without the risks involved in just copying stuff to my laptop, then leaving it on the train).
I worked at a school where the latter use was common and fairly highly valued.
We didn't want to deal with the hassle of hundreds or thousands of potentially infected machines belonging to students and faculty having VPN access to the LAN.
We did want students and faculty to be able to access their documents and email when they were at home.
To solve the problem, we used Citrix to offer remote access to all the common programs that students and staff would use to view or edit documents, set up so that the programs would have access to the files of the user that logged in.
It wasn't perfect; but it largely worked.
The user would go to a web portal, enter their credentials, and get a bunch of clickable icons.
Click on "Word" or whatever and it would(after a few moments of Citrix doing its thing) pop up, looking modestly like a local application.
If you hit "Open", though, you'd have access to all your documents from our fileserver.
Super easy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684277</id>
	<title>neatx client</title>
	<author>catmistake</author>
	<datestamp>1247488140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>a free oss server... that's good news. Is there source for the neatx client somewhere?</htmltext>
<tokenext>a free oss server... that 's good news .
Is there source for the neatx client somewhere ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a free oss server... that's good news.
Is there source for the neatx client somewhere?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683755</id>
	<title>Re:Sucks to be NoMachine</title>
	<author>Felix Da Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1247485200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Poor NoMachine... now they don't have <b>NoProduct</b></p> </div><p>Fixed that for 'ya.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Poor NoMachine... now they do n't have NoProduct Fixed that for 'ya .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Poor NoMachine... now they don't have NoProduct Fixed that for 'ya.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28690971</id>
	<title>Still kind of a mess...</title>
	<author>Junta</author>
	<datestamp>1247585940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So first, this still requires nomachines nx core, seems like, so it cannot claim to be completely pure.</p><p>Secondly, though they don't use Tcl expect, they are still doing the same exact thing, but in python.  The problem here is when writing expect stuff, you are already in a bad spot as unexpected input comes up.  For example, in trying neatx, I already noted their expect code wasn't expecting a password prompt common in a kerberos environment.  And when things go off-the-rails in an expect context, you return to the client an extremely unhelpful, obscure error.</p><p>Thirdly, it is all trying to interoperate with NX's rather unfortunate mode of operation where the service is accessed via ssh to another user, even though the goal is just to 'su' to the user you want to be.  Considering nx requires you ta have a normal *nix account anyway, I don't get why they implemented this goofy nx user.</p><p>NX has long been a source of some frustration to me.  FreeNX has been promising, but subject to all sorts of weirdness (sessions suspended being lost because they go to closed, suspneded sessions that cannot be resumed for unknown reasons, etc).  I really really want the technology NX has to offer, but all the implementations I've tried thusfar have design decisions that are unfortunate and implementations with mysterious bugs and a user community that is unfortunately weak.</p><p>Almost all of this is the fault of the code at the NeatX/FreeNX layer rather than the core.  But given the inherently goofy design they are having to emulate, I can't blame them.  I would *LOVE* to see an implementation throw out Nomachine's architecture and do a more sane, per user scheme.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So first , this still requires nomachines nx core , seems like , so it can not claim to be completely pure.Secondly , though they do n't use Tcl expect , they are still doing the same exact thing , but in python .
The problem here is when writing expect stuff , you are already in a bad spot as unexpected input comes up .
For example , in trying neatx , I already noted their expect code was n't expecting a password prompt common in a kerberos environment .
And when things go off-the-rails in an expect context , you return to the client an extremely unhelpful , obscure error.Thirdly , it is all trying to interoperate with NX 's rather unfortunate mode of operation where the service is accessed via ssh to another user , even though the goal is just to 'su ' to the user you want to be .
Considering nx requires you ta have a normal * nix account anyway , I do n't get why they implemented this goofy nx user.NX has long been a source of some frustration to me .
FreeNX has been promising , but subject to all sorts of weirdness ( sessions suspended being lost because they go to closed , suspneded sessions that can not be resumed for unknown reasons , etc ) .
I really really want the technology NX has to offer , but all the implementations I 've tried thusfar have design decisions that are unfortunate and implementations with mysterious bugs and a user community that is unfortunately weak.Almost all of this is the fault of the code at the NeatX/FreeNX layer rather than the core .
But given the inherently goofy design they are having to emulate , I ca n't blame them .
I would * LOVE * to see an implementation throw out Nomachine 's architecture and do a more sane , per user scheme .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So first, this still requires nomachines nx core, seems like, so it cannot claim to be completely pure.Secondly, though they don't use Tcl expect, they are still doing the same exact thing, but in python.
The problem here is when writing expect stuff, you are already in a bad spot as unexpected input comes up.
For example, in trying neatx, I already noted their expect code wasn't expecting a password prompt common in a kerberos environment.
And when things go off-the-rails in an expect context, you return to the client an extremely unhelpful, obscure error.Thirdly, it is all trying to interoperate with NX's rather unfortunate mode of operation where the service is accessed via ssh to another user, even though the goal is just to 'su' to the user you want to be.
Considering nx requires you ta have a normal *nix account anyway, I don't get why they implemented this goofy nx user.NX has long been a source of some frustration to me.
FreeNX has been promising, but subject to all sorts of weirdness (sessions suspended being lost because they go to closed, suspneded sessions that cannot be resumed for unknown reasons, etc).
I really really want the technology NX has to offer, but all the implementations I've tried thusfar have design decisions that are unfortunate and implementations with mysterious bugs and a user community that is unfortunately weak.Almost all of this is the fault of the code at the NeatX/FreeNX layer rather than the core.
But given the inherently goofy design they are having to emulate, I can't blame them.
I would *LOVE* to see an implementation throw out Nomachine's architecture and do a more sane, per user scheme.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28685461</id>
	<title>Google going after another MS stronghold - RDP</title>
	<author>Deviant</author>
	<datestamp>1247498040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work with both MS and Linux servers and, when setting up my own home server, I had a choice between the platforms. Seeing as how I have a TechNet subscription for work/testing purposes Server 2008 is basically free for me so the choice was not one on price but on ease of use and applicability to my needs.</p><p>I ended up installing Server 2008 with Linux running under a VM for the occasional usage mostly because of how great Terminal Services is. It gives me a remote desktop through a fast, secure, and very functional protocol which is widely supported. If I get disconnected I have it set up where it will maintain all of my apps just as I left them for days. It maps my local clipboard, printer and local drives wherever I am and there are clients on every windows PC, for the Mac, for Linux and even for my iPhone.</p><p>Microsoft is making a move in this space releasing features for Terminal Services 2008 that used to be limited to Citrix - secure https gateway, load balancing between servers and accessing individual applications through a web interface. And since you always had to buy Terminal Services CALs in order to use Citrix anyway (you have to love that - make your customers buy our product to use your product and we'll let you survive) it makes the MS solution much cheaper than a terminal server used to cost with Citrix.</p><p>I just find it funny that there is another area - thin clients and remote workers - where MS is trying to assert their dominanace, albiet with a great product, and Google happens to come along and release a free alternative.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work with both MS and Linux servers and , when setting up my own home server , I had a choice between the platforms .
Seeing as how I have a TechNet subscription for work/testing purposes Server 2008 is basically free for me so the choice was not one on price but on ease of use and applicability to my needs.I ended up installing Server 2008 with Linux running under a VM for the occasional usage mostly because of how great Terminal Services is .
It gives me a remote desktop through a fast , secure , and very functional protocol which is widely supported .
If I get disconnected I have it set up where it will maintain all of my apps just as I left them for days .
It maps my local clipboard , printer and local drives wherever I am and there are clients on every windows PC , for the Mac , for Linux and even for my iPhone.Microsoft is making a move in this space releasing features for Terminal Services 2008 that used to be limited to Citrix - secure https gateway , load balancing between servers and accessing individual applications through a web interface .
And since you always had to buy Terminal Services CALs in order to use Citrix anyway ( you have to love that - make your customers buy our product to use your product and we 'll let you survive ) it makes the MS solution much cheaper than a terminal server used to cost with Citrix.I just find it funny that there is another area - thin clients and remote workers - where MS is trying to assert their dominanace , albiet with a great product , and Google happens to come along and release a free alternative .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work with both MS and Linux servers and, when setting up my own home server, I had a choice between the platforms.
Seeing as how I have a TechNet subscription for work/testing purposes Server 2008 is basically free for me so the choice was not one on price but on ease of use and applicability to my needs.I ended up installing Server 2008 with Linux running under a VM for the occasional usage mostly because of how great Terminal Services is.
It gives me a remote desktop through a fast, secure, and very functional protocol which is widely supported.
If I get disconnected I have it set up where it will maintain all of my apps just as I left them for days.
It maps my local clipboard, printer and local drives wherever I am and there are clients on every windows PC, for the Mac, for Linux and even for my iPhone.Microsoft is making a move in this space releasing features for Terminal Services 2008 that used to be limited to Citrix - secure https gateway, load balancing between servers and accessing individual applications through a web interface.
And since you always had to buy Terminal Services CALs in order to use Citrix anyway (you have to love that - make your customers buy our product to use your product and we'll let you survive) it makes the MS solution much cheaper than a terminal server used to cost with Citrix.I just find it funny that there is another area - thin clients and remote workers - where MS is trying to assert their dominanace, albiet with a great product, and Google happens to come along and release a free alternative.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684385</id>
	<title>Re:Sucks to be NoMachine</title>
	<author>K. S. Kyosuke</author>
	<datestamp>1247488860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>They have developed it, they have the best know-how and most likely are the ones to offer best service and support. Such people don't usually starve.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They have developed it , they have the best know-how and most likely are the ones to offer best service and support .
Such people do n't usually starve .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They have developed it, they have the best know-how and most likely are the ones to offer best service and support.
Such people don't usually starve.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28688321</id>
	<title>Re:NIH</title>
	<author>jimshatt</author>
	<datestamp>1247569500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, not a bad idea. Using  (Ogg Theora compression) and javascript, this could work really well. Like the Gaikai thingy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , not a bad idea .
Using ( Ogg Theora compression ) and javascript , this could work really well .
Like the Gaikai thingy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, not a bad idea.
Using  (Ogg Theora compression) and javascript, this could work really well.
Like the Gaikai thingy.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28684377</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28686845</id>
	<title>Re:NIH</title>
	<author>juuri</author>
	<datestamp>1247508540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well yes, TCL (expect) is probably some of the worst legacy 3rd party code ever to maintain. The crap makes perl code written by drunk and/or high sysadmins at 3 in the morning look absolutely beautiful by comparison.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well yes , TCL ( expect ) is probably some of the worst legacy 3rd party code ever to maintain .
The crap makes perl code written by drunk and/or high sysadmins at 3 in the morning look absolutely beautiful by comparison .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well yes, TCL (expect) is probably some of the worst legacy 3rd party code ever to maintain.
The crap makes perl code written by drunk and/or high sysadmins at 3 in the morning look absolutely beautiful by comparison.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28687511</id>
	<title>Re:Beats Web-apps</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247603400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, you're thinking of applets. Those are downloaded and run locally. Web apps actually do run on the server.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , you 're thinking of applets .
Those are downloaded and run locally .
Web apps actually do run on the server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, you're thinking of applets.
Those are downloaded and run locally.
Web apps actually do run on the server.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28685759</id>
	<title>Re:Beats Web-apps</title>
	<author>Teckla</author>
	<datestamp>1247500080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Well this sure beats HTML+HTTP and Javascript for displaying remote applications.</p></div><p>I'm so tired of people comparing web apps and X. They are completely different beasts.</p><p>Web apps are downloaded to your local PC and run there. Many web apps make frequent HTTP calls to sync with, or access resources, on the server, but that's completely optional. Web apps are often the right solution compared to X apps because they leverage the power of your local PC. While writing this comment, my local PC did the spell checking, it handled the keyboard events, and it updated the display, all without any communication to, or from, the server. It was fast and responsive and efficient because it all happened entirely on my local PC. The only communication that will occur with the server is when I click on Submit.</p><p>In contrast, X apps are run on the server and merely displayed on your local PC. Slashdot could not possibly function that way without enormous hardware and bandwidth upgrades, and even then it would probably be an annoying experience for many users on connections that experience frequent lag.</p><p>Web apps and X apps are not really competitors. They serve two different purposes. Web apps leverage the local PC and can also leverage the server where it makes sense. X apps are basically entirely run on the server with only display updates being sent to the client. This setup made sense a long time ago when servers were extremely powerful and client PCs were weak. Now that even modest hardware is extremely powerful, X makes very little sense.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well this sure beats HTML + HTTP and Javascript for displaying remote applications.I 'm so tired of people comparing web apps and X. They are completely different beasts.Web apps are downloaded to your local PC and run there .
Many web apps make frequent HTTP calls to sync with , or access resources , on the server , but that 's completely optional .
Web apps are often the right solution compared to X apps because they leverage the power of your local PC .
While writing this comment , my local PC did the spell checking , it handled the keyboard events , and it updated the display , all without any communication to , or from , the server .
It was fast and responsive and efficient because it all happened entirely on my local PC .
The only communication that will occur with the server is when I click on Submit.In contrast , X apps are run on the server and merely displayed on your local PC .
Slashdot could not possibly function that way without enormous hardware and bandwidth upgrades , and even then it would probably be an annoying experience for many users on connections that experience frequent lag.Web apps and X apps are not really competitors .
They serve two different purposes .
Web apps leverage the local PC and can also leverage the server where it makes sense .
X apps are basically entirely run on the server with only display updates being sent to the client .
This setup made sense a long time ago when servers were extremely powerful and client PCs were weak .
Now that even modest hardware is extremely powerful , X makes very little sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well this sure beats HTML+HTTP and Javascript for displaying remote applications.I'm so tired of people comparing web apps and X. They are completely different beasts.Web apps are downloaded to your local PC and run there.
Many web apps make frequent HTTP calls to sync with, or access resources, on the server, but that's completely optional.
Web apps are often the right solution compared to X apps because they leverage the power of your local PC.
While writing this comment, my local PC did the spell checking, it handled the keyboard events, and it updated the display, all without any communication to, or from, the server.
It was fast and responsive and efficient because it all happened entirely on my local PC.
The only communication that will occur with the server is when I click on Submit.In contrast, X apps are run on the server and merely displayed on your local PC.
Slashdot could not possibly function that way without enormous hardware and bandwidth upgrades, and even then it would probably be an annoying experience for many users on connections that experience frequent lag.Web apps and X apps are not really competitors.
They serve two different purposes.
Web apps leverage the local PC and can also leverage the server where it makes sense.
X apps are basically entirely run on the server with only display updates being sent to the client.
This setup made sense a long time ago when servers were extremely powerful and client PCs were weak.
Now that even modest hardware is extremely powerful, X makes very little sense.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28687287</id>
	<title>Re:Sucks to be NoMachine</title>
	<author>zoloto</author>
	<datestamp>1247514600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe they'll incorporate it into their ChromeOS?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe they 'll incorporate it into their ChromeOS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe they'll incorporate it into their ChromeOS?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28683985</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28685249</id>
	<title>Low Bandwidth X</title>
	<author>fahrbot-bot</author>
	<datestamp>1247495700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Congratulations Google, you've re-invented
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low\_Bandwidth\_X" title="wikipedia.org">Low Bandwidth X</a> [wikipedia.org]!<br>
Also see, <a href="http://keithp.com/~keithp/talks/lbxpost/paper.html" title="keithp.com">An LBX Postmortem</a> [keithp.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Congratulations Google , you 've re-invented Low Bandwidth X [ wikipedia.org ] !
Also see , An LBX Postmortem [ keithp.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congratulations Google, you've re-invented
Low Bandwidth X [wikipedia.org]!
Also see, An LBX Postmortem [keithp.com].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_2027224.28686893</id>
	<title>Contradictory to Chrome OS?</title>
	<author>altek</author>
	<datestamp>1247509080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From what I've read so far, they have gone out of their way to implement ChromeOS without using X Windows and instead going with something proprietary and in-house.</p><p>It just seems odd that they are also releasing a server that dishes out X Windows sessions remotely.  This must not be meant to integrate with Chrome OS.  I guess they could still have a client for it in Chrome OS, but it still just seems odd to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From what I 've read so far , they have gone out of their way to implement ChromeOS without using X Windows and instead going with something proprietary and in-house.It just seems odd that they are also releasing a server that dishes out X Windows sessions remotely .
This must not be meant to integrate with Chrome OS .
I guess they could still have a client for it in Chrome OS , but it still just seems odd to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From what I've read so far, they have gone out of their way to implement ChromeOS without using X Windows and instead going with something proprietary and in-house.It just seems odd that they are also releasing a server that dishes out X Windows sessions remotely.
This must not be meant to integrate with Chrome OS.
I guess they could still have a client for it in Chrome OS, but it still just seems odd to me.</sentencetext>
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