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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_13_1623222</id>
	<title>Symbian Foundation Takes First Step In Open Sourcing Mobile OS</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1247506260000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>readthemall writes to let us know that the Symbian Foundation has released the first of several packages in their plan to <a href="http://news.zdnet.co.uk/0,1000000073,39672469,00.htm">open source the entire Symbian mobile OS</a>.    <i>"On Wednesday, Symbian made available its first package covered by the EPL, the OS Security Package, according to Symbian developer Craig Heath.  'The OS Security Package source code is now available under the EPL, and it is the very first package to be officially moved from the closed Symbian Foundation License (SFL) to... the EPL,' Heath wrote in a blog post.  Heath said the EPL would allow the security package to bypass export regulations in the UK, where the Symbian code is legally based."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>readthemall writes to let us know that the Symbian Foundation has released the first of several packages in their plan to open source the entire Symbian mobile OS .
" On Wednesday , Symbian made available its first package covered by the EPL , the OS Security Package , according to Symbian developer Craig Heath .
'The OS Security Package source code is now available under the EPL , and it is the very first package to be officially moved from the closed Symbian Foundation License ( SFL ) to... the EPL, ' Heath wrote in a blog post .
Heath said the EPL would allow the security package to bypass export regulations in the UK , where the Symbian code is legally based .
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<sentencetext>readthemall writes to let us know that the Symbian Foundation has released the first of several packages in their plan to open source the entire Symbian mobile OS.
"On Wednesday, Symbian made available its first package covered by the EPL, the OS Security Package, according to Symbian developer Craig Heath.
'The OS Security Package source code is now available under the EPL, and it is the very first package to be officially moved from the closed Symbian Foundation License (SFL) to... the EPL,' Heath wrote in a blog post.
Heath said the EPL would allow the security package to bypass export regulations in the UK, where the Symbian code is legally based.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28681633</id>
	<title>Re:Decline of Windows Mobile?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247518560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And such thinking gave us the Year of the Linux desktop years ago!  Oh wait...  The licensing costs for WinMo are a pittance to the device manufacturers when it comes to the total cost to make the device especially since all the big phone companies definitely negotiate bulk license rates when dealing with Microsoft.  If you honestly think these big phone manufacturers that rake in 10s of billions in revenue a year care about that mere pittance they throw to Microsoft for WinMo you are horrible naive.  It's the same reason why all the nerd rage over the licensing costs of H.264 or MP3 etc is meaningless to any major device manufacturer as it's a mere pittance to their bottom line.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And such thinking gave us the Year of the Linux desktop years ago !
Oh wait... The licensing costs for WinMo are a pittance to the device manufacturers when it comes to the total cost to make the device especially since all the big phone companies definitely negotiate bulk license rates when dealing with Microsoft .
If you honestly think these big phone manufacturers that rake in 10s of billions in revenue a year care about that mere pittance they throw to Microsoft for WinMo you are horrible naive .
It 's the same reason why all the nerd rage over the licensing costs of H.264 or MP3 etc is meaningless to any major device manufacturer as it 's a mere pittance to their bottom line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And such thinking gave us the Year of the Linux desktop years ago!
Oh wait...  The licensing costs for WinMo are a pittance to the device manufacturers when it comes to the total cost to make the device especially since all the big phone companies definitely negotiate bulk license rates when dealing with Microsoft.
If you honestly think these big phone manufacturers that rake in 10s of billions in revenue a year care about that mere pittance they throw to Microsoft for WinMo you are horrible naive.
It's the same reason why all the nerd rage over the licensing costs of H.264 or MP3 etc is meaningless to any major device manufacturer as it's a mere pittance to their bottom line.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28681059</id>
	<title>Re:get rid of symbian signed..</title>
	<author>davester666</author>
	<datestamp>1247516340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They still want to be like Apple.</p><p>And it is worth big money to them to be able to absolutely control what can be installed on "your" phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They still want to be like Apple.And it is worth big money to them to be able to absolutely control what can be installed on " your " phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They still want to be like Apple.And it is worth big money to them to be able to absolutely control what can be installed on "your" phone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28679453</id>
	<title>ThisTRUTH about using Symbian!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247510460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Imagine a giant penis flying towards your mouth, and there's nothing you can do about it. And you're like "Oh man, I'm gonna have to suck this thing", and you brace yourself to suck this giant penis. But then, at the last moment, it changes trajectory and hits you in the eye. You think to yourself "Well, at least I got that out of the way", but then the giant penis rears back and stabs your eye again, and again, and again. Eventually, this giant penis is penetrating your gray matter, and you begin to lose control of your motor skills. That's when the giant penis slaps you across the cheek, causing you to fall out of your chair. Unable to move and at your most vulnerable, the giant penis finally lodges itself in your anus, where it rests uncomfortably for 4, maybe 5 hours. That's what using Symbian is like.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Imagine a giant penis flying towards your mouth , and there 's nothing you can do about it .
And you 're like " Oh man , I 'm gon na have to suck this thing " , and you brace yourself to suck this giant penis .
But then , at the last moment , it changes trajectory and hits you in the eye .
You think to yourself " Well , at least I got that out of the way " , but then the giant penis rears back and stabs your eye again , and again , and again .
Eventually , this giant penis is penetrating your gray matter , and you begin to lose control of your motor skills .
That 's when the giant penis slaps you across the cheek , causing you to fall out of your chair .
Unable to move and at your most vulnerable , the giant penis finally lodges itself in your anus , where it rests uncomfortably for 4 , maybe 5 hours .
That 's what using Symbian is like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Imagine a giant penis flying towards your mouth, and there's nothing you can do about it.
And you're like "Oh man, I'm gonna have to suck this thing", and you brace yourself to suck this giant penis.
But then, at the last moment, it changes trajectory and hits you in the eye.
You think to yourself "Well, at least I got that out of the way", but then the giant penis rears back and stabs your eye again, and again, and again.
Eventually, this giant penis is penetrating your gray matter, and you begin to lose control of your motor skills.
That's when the giant penis slaps you across the cheek, causing you to fall out of your chair.
Unable to move and at your most vulnerable, the giant penis finally lodges itself in your anus, where it rests uncomfortably for 4, maybe 5 hours.
That's what using Symbian is like.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28681989</id>
	<title>Symbian OS could be the next OS for netbooks</title>
	<author>benxx</author>
	<datestamp>1247476920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nokia/Symbian already proved their mastery in Software Interface designing with their S40 and S60 Platforms. If they could extend it further, they will challenge Microsoft's dominance in Netbook OS market. Nokia's recent partnership with Intel triggers speculation in this regard.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nokia/Symbian already proved their mastery in Software Interface designing with their S40 and S60 Platforms .
If they could extend it further , they will challenge Microsoft 's dominance in Netbook OS market .
Nokia 's recent partnership with Intel triggers speculation in this regard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nokia/Symbian already proved their mastery in Software Interface designing with their S40 and S60 Platforms.
If they could extend it further, they will challenge Microsoft's dominance in Netbook OS market.
Nokia's recent partnership with Intel triggers speculation in this regard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28679795</id>
	<title>Re:Decline of Windows Mobile?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247511420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because life is more interesting when you have to reboot your phone daily.</p><p>Today's magic word is "annoys"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because life is more interesting when you have to reboot your phone daily.Today 's magic word is " annoys "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because life is more interesting when you have to reboot your phone daily.Today's magic word is "annoys"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28694341</id>
	<title>Re:get rid of symbian signed..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247600100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're not allowed to claim it's for my own protection if you don't give me the option to turn it off. You can put it under 'advanced settings' or something, I can dig that.<br>Restrictive security defaults is all very fine, but it would be like a whole different platform if they actually implemented an user-controlled fine-grained capability system worth a damn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're not allowed to claim it 's for my own protection if you do n't give me the option to turn it off .
You can put it under 'advanced settings ' or something , I can dig that.Restrictive security defaults is all very fine , but it would be like a whole different platform if they actually implemented an user-controlled fine-grained capability system worth a damn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're not allowed to claim it's for my own protection if you don't give me the option to turn it off.
You can put it under 'advanced settings' or something, I can dig that.Restrictive security defaults is all very fine, but it would be like a whole different platform if they actually implemented an user-controlled fine-grained capability system worth a damn.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28685325</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28680343</id>
	<title>Re:Decline of Windows Mobile?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247513280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because they want apps people actually use, tool. Syncing with other MS devices, stuff that matters.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because they want apps people actually use , tool .
Syncing with other MS devices , stuff that matters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because they want apps people actually use, tool.
Syncing with other MS devices, stuff that matters.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28681679</id>
	<title>Re:Decline of Windows Mobile?</title>
	<author>Freetardo Jones</author>
	<datestamp>1247518740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is the one big reason why Symbian is such a failure.</p></div><p>I wish I could be as big of a failure as Symbian where in around 18 million phones per quarter are sold with it installed and it holds 50\% of the smart phone OS market.</p></div>
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<tokenext>This is the one big reason why Symbian is such a failure.I wish I could be as big of a failure as Symbian where in around 18 million phones per quarter are sold with it installed and it holds 50 \ % of the smart phone OS market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the one big reason why Symbian is such a failure.I wish I could be as big of a failure as Symbian where in around 18 million phones per quarter are sold with it installed and it holds 50\% of the smart phone OS market.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28681465</id>
	<title>Symbian Android</title>
	<author>nostriluu</author>
	<datestamp>1247518020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>I'll believe it's open source when I see it running fully on third party hardware. An Android handset would be an interesting choice.</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll believe it 's open source when I see it running fully on third party hardware .
An Android handset would be an interesting choice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll believe it's open source when I see it running fully on third party hardware.
An Android handset would be an interesting choice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28680709</id>
	<title>Re:Decline of Windows Mobile?</title>
	<author>Hal\_Porter</author>
	<datestamp>1247514900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like this on WinMo.</p><p><a href="http://www.pleco.com/" title="pleco.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.pleco.com/</a> [pleco.com]</p><p>It's a Chinese to English dictionary and is Windows Mobile/PalmOS only. I.e. not Symbian or Android.</p><p>Also I can get GPS maps of Taiwan in English on WinMo.</p><p>WinMo has a lot more software vendors for things like this than Symbian because it's not very hard to port Windows desktop applications to WinMo. And I think in Asia there's a lot of people with Windows mobile devices and frankly a lot of cracked WinMo software.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like this on WinMo.http : //www.pleco.com/ [ pleco.com ] It 's a Chinese to English dictionary and is Windows Mobile/PalmOS only .
I.e. not Symbian or Android.Also I can get GPS maps of Taiwan in English on WinMo.WinMo has a lot more software vendors for things like this than Symbian because it 's not very hard to port Windows desktop applications to WinMo .
And I think in Asia there 's a lot of people with Windows mobile devices and frankly a lot of cracked WinMo software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like this on WinMo.http://www.pleco.com/ [pleco.com]It's a Chinese to English dictionary and is Windows Mobile/PalmOS only.
I.e. not Symbian or Android.Also I can get GPS maps of Taiwan in English on WinMo.WinMo has a lot more software vendors for things like this than Symbian because it's not very hard to port Windows desktop applications to WinMo.
And I think in Asia there's a lot of people with Windows mobile devices and frankly a lot of cracked WinMo software.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28679275</id>
	<title>Eric S. Raymond's Iranian Hacker Hangover</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247509920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Eric felt his scrotum contract in its latest desperate attempt to keep his testicles warm. This hospital, wherever it was, was damned drafty.</p><p>It didn't help that the nurses on his floor, who had been treating Eric like a complete bitch, liked to keep the air conditioning cranked up. Or was it just his room? He noticed they pulled their cardigans and sweaters around them only when they came to see him.</p><p>"Nurse! Nurse!" Eric shouted. "Excuse me, nurse?!"</p><p>Eric heard a chair creak, followed by footsteps coming down the hall. They were quick around here, one of the only good things Eric had yet noticed. Perhaps it was because of his celebrity status.</p><p>"Yes?" the nurse said, crossing her goose-pimpled arms.</p><p>"Nurse, it's damn cold in here," Eric said. "And I think my pain medication is wearing off. Can I have some more pills?"</p><p>Her beady eyes, set atop wrinkled, puffy cheeks, lasered him in his bed. This was the sixth time Eric had shouted for her since her shift began. She didn't know him well but she was definitely starting to hate him.</p><p>"Oh! And my urinal needs emptied!" Eric added.</p><p>The nurse pursed her lips and folded her arms without breaking eye contact, "get fucked" in body language.</p><p>Eric smiled a crooked, leering grin at her and winked in a bid to charm her into emptying his piss. The nurse wondered if he was about to have another seizure.</p><p>She picked up Eric's chart, flipped through it, and replaced it.</p><p>"Mr. Raymond," the nurse said, "you're not due for more pain medication for two more hours."</p><p>Eric's mustache, orange and drooping, twitched.</p><p>"Do you need your bandages looked at?"</p><p>Eric shifted in his bed, stiff and uncomfortable. He slowly, awkwardly, stretched his hospital gown down over his knees.</p><p>"Nooo, no, no I don't," Eric said. "My bandages are just fine."</p><p>"Fine then," the nurse said. "I'll get your urinal. Do you need anything else?"</p><p>Eric watched as the nurse lifted his urinal carefully off of his lunch tray. It was completely full1,000 cubic centimeters, one full quart of piss and mounding at the top.</p><p>The nurse stifled a gag as she slowly made her way into the restroom.</p><p>"This damn IV has me swimming!" Eric called after her with a quick laugh.</p><p>He heard her pouring his urine into the toilet and felt the urge to go again. It had been dark brown, viscous, and smelled to high heaven like sick wet meat. He really hoped whatever they had him on was working.</p><p>She returned from the restroom and replaced Eric's urinal.</p><p>"I'll be back when it's time for your medication," she said. "Dinner is in an hour."</p><p>With that she left until, she knew too well, the next time Eric grew bored or irritated.</p><p>Feeling as anxious as ever, Eric reached for <a href="http://www.catb.org/~esr/hardware.html" title="catb.org" rel="nofollow">billywig</a> [catb.org], his <a href="http://support.apple.com/kb/SP126" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">blueberry iBook</a> [apple.com], which had finally charged. He hit the start button and watched <a href="http://us.fixstars.com/products/ydl/" title="fixstars.com" rel="nofollow">Yellow Dog Linux</a> [fixstars.com] slowly crawl off of the hard drive into RAM.</p><p>Thank god this hospital had wifi. Thank god he had an Airport card in his iBook.</p><p> <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=brown+piss" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=brown+piss</a> [google.com] </p><p>"Nope."</p><p> <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=my+piss+is+brown" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=my+piss+is+brown</a> [google.com] </p><p>"Hmm Nope."</p><p> <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=my+piss+is+brown+std" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=my+piss+is+brown+std</a> [google.com] </p><p>"Nope."</p><p> <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=my+piss+is+brown+and+smells+like+rotting+meat+std" title="google.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/search?q=my+piss+is+brown+and+smells+like+rotting+meat+std</a> [google.com] </p><p>Eric was having no luck. The more he optimized his Google searches, he noted with alarm, the less relevant his search hits became.</p><blockquote><div><p>foul smelling like decay meat and at times like grated yam. this odor<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and fifth day i see dirth brown dischargeAbnormal discharge from the nipple<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... the air asking what that rotten meat smell was...and the consequent search<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... So, my UA (urine analysis) came back abnormal </p></div> </blockquote><p>"Jesus Christ!" Eric muttered to himself as he squinted at his iBook's twelve inch screen. "I don't think I have anything coming out of my nipples!"</p><p>Making sure his iBook was steady, he gingerly squeezed his left pectoral.</p><p>"Nope."</p><p>Eric command-tabbed back to vi, where he was typing "RFI on brown piss that smells like rotting meat" to post to <a href="http://esr.ibiblio.org/" title="ibiblio.org" rel="nofollow">his blog</a> [ibiblio.org], when there was a knock at the door.</p><p>"Mr. Raymond?"</p><p>It was the nurse.</p><p>"There's someone here to see you."</p><p>Finally, company! A hacker mind like Eric's was not used to boredom. He needed plenty of <a href="http://www.trollaxor.com/2009/06/eric-emad-iranian-hackers-cyber-buddies.html" title="trollaxor.com" rel="nofollow">Iranian hackers</a> [trollaxor.com] to chat with, a cave full of LARP buddies, or, optimally, a <a href="http://www.trollaxor.com/2001/12/linux-party.html" title="trollaxor.com" rel="nofollow">Linux party</a> [trollaxor.com]. <i>Not</i> the sanitation of lonely, well-lit hospital.</p><p>A second later the door opened again and in walked not Eric's LARP troop or Linux party, but something far less arousing: a New Jersey state police officer.</p><p>"Eric Raymond?" the officer asked. He was 6'2" and built like the Mack trucks he probably ticketed on a daily basis.</p><p>"Yes, sir, that's me, officer," Eric stammered. He hated being dominated.</p><p>"You're under arrest for lewd conduct, public indecency, and conspiracy to solicit," the officer said. The tone in his voice told Eric not to interrupt. "You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say"</p><p>Eric's mind wandered. He had to call his wife. She was his attorney and had dealt with this sort of thing before. He had to keep this quiet.</p><p>Eric decided then and there to be as cooperative as possible.</p><p>"Do you understand these rights, Mr. Raymond?"</p><p>"Yeah, sure," Eric said. "But I'd like to share info about the other party involved in this incident."</p><p>"Go ahead?" the officer said, not expecting Eric's offer.</p><p>"The other party," Eric said, "is a man named Emad, an Iranian hacker, quite possible in this country illegally. His email address is <a href="mailto:emad.opensores@gmail.com" title="mailto" rel="nofollow">emad.opensores@gmail.com</a> [mailto] and his AIM handle is <a href="aim:goimscreennameiran2hax0rc0ck" title="aim" rel="nofollow">iran2hax0rc0ck</a> [aim]."</p><p>"Any idea who the other parties involved were?" the trooper asked, taking his notepad out.</p><p>"Other parties? There were no other parties. Just Emad and I."</p><p>"Mr Raymond," the trooper said, "you were the victim of sexual assault last night."</p><p>Eric's left eye twitched. It was usually him, with his Glock and J&#x00E4;germeister, in charge of the proceedings. Not the other way around. He felt so powerless.</p><p>"You'll be arraigned upon your release from the hospital. Do you understand that?"</p><p>"Sure," Eric said, "but why do you think there were other parties? It was just Emad and I the entire time."</p><p>"Mr. Raymond," the trooper said while replacing his notebook, "our crime lab extracted the DNA of two other people from your wounds."</p><p>Eric sweated, cold and salty, and his world spun. Who else had been there?</p><p>"Also," the trooper said, producing a plastic bag, "do you know what this is?"</p><p>He handed the object to Eric, who turned it back and forth. It reflected the room's lights weakly through the baggie.</p><p>"It's Ubuntu," Eric said softly.</p><p>"Ubuntu? What's that?" the trooper said.</p><p>"It's a Linux distribution," Eric said unhelpfully. "Where did you get it?"</p><p>Eric noticed the version number on the CD face as he passed it back to the trooper. 9.10<i>Karmic Koala</i>.</p><p>The trooper looked away before he spoke.</p><p>"The doctors removed it from deep inside your ass."</p></div>
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<tokenext>Eric felt his scrotum contract in its latest desperate attempt to keep his testicles warm .
This hospital , wherever it was , was damned drafty.It did n't help that the nurses on his floor , who had been treating Eric like a complete bitch , liked to keep the air conditioning cranked up .
Or was it just his room ?
He noticed they pulled their cardigans and sweaters around them only when they came to see him. " Nurse !
Nurse ! " Eric shouted .
" Excuse me , nurse ? !
" Eric heard a chair creak , followed by footsteps coming down the hall .
They were quick around here , one of the only good things Eric had yet noticed .
Perhaps it was because of his celebrity status. " Yes ?
" the nurse said , crossing her goose-pimpled arms .
" Nurse , it 's damn cold in here , " Eric said .
" And I think my pain medication is wearing off .
Can I have some more pills ?
" Her beady eyes , set atop wrinkled , puffy cheeks , lasered him in his bed .
This was the sixth time Eric had shouted for her since her shift began .
She did n't know him well but she was definitely starting to hate him. " Oh !
And my urinal needs emptied !
" Eric added.The nurse pursed her lips and folded her arms without breaking eye contact , " get fucked " in body language.Eric smiled a crooked , leering grin at her and winked in a bid to charm her into emptying his piss .
The nurse wondered if he was about to have another seizure.She picked up Eric 's chart , flipped through it , and replaced it. " Mr .
Raymond , " the nurse said , " you 're not due for more pain medication for two more hours .
" Eric 's mustache , orange and drooping , twitched .
" Do you need your bandages looked at ?
" Eric shifted in his bed , stiff and uncomfortable .
He slowly , awkwardly , stretched his hospital gown down over his knees .
" Nooo , no , no I do n't , " Eric said .
" My bandages are just fine .
" " Fine then , " the nurse said .
" I 'll get your urinal .
Do you need anything else ?
" Eric watched as the nurse lifted his urinal carefully off of his lunch tray .
It was completely full1,000 cubic centimeters , one full quart of piss and mounding at the top.The nurse stifled a gag as she slowly made her way into the restroom .
" This damn IV has me swimming !
" Eric called after her with a quick laugh.He heard her pouring his urine into the toilet and felt the urge to go again .
It had been dark brown , viscous , and smelled to high heaven like sick wet meat .
He really hoped whatever they had him on was working.She returned from the restroom and replaced Eric 's urinal .
" I 'll be back when it 's time for your medication , " she said .
" Dinner is in an hour .
" With that she left until , she knew too well , the next time Eric grew bored or irritated.Feeling as anxious as ever , Eric reached for billywig [ catb.org ] , his blueberry iBook [ apple.com ] , which had finally charged .
He hit the start button and watched Yellow Dog Linux [ fixstars.com ] slowly crawl off of the hard drive into RAM.Thank god this hospital had wifi .
Thank god he had an Airport card in his iBook .
http : //www.google.com/search ? q = brown + piss [ google.com ] " Nope .
" http : //www.google.com/search ? q = my + piss + is + brown [ google.com ] " Hmm Nope .
" http : //www.google.com/search ? q = my + piss + is + brown + std [ google.com ] " Nope .
" http : //www.google.com/search ? q = my + piss + is + brown + and + smells + like + rotting + meat + std [ google.com ] Eric was having no luck .
The more he optimized his Google searches , he noted with alarm , the less relevant his search hits became.foul smelling like decay meat and at times like grated yam .
this odor ... and fifth day i see dirth brown dischargeAbnormal discharge from the nipple .... the air asking what that rotten meat smell was...and the consequent search ... So , my UA ( urine analysis ) came back abnormal " Jesus Christ !
" Eric muttered to himself as he squinted at his iBook 's twelve inch screen .
" I do n't think I have anything coming out of my nipples !
" Making sure his iBook was steady , he gingerly squeezed his left pectoral. " Nope .
" Eric command-tabbed back to vi , where he was typing " RFI on brown piss that smells like rotting meat " to post to his blog [ ibiblio.org ] , when there was a knock at the door. " Mr .
Raymond ? " It was the nurse .
" There 's someone here to see you .
" Finally , company !
A hacker mind like Eric 's was not used to boredom .
He needed plenty of Iranian hackers [ trollaxor.com ] to chat with , a cave full of LARP buddies , or , optimally , a Linux party [ trollaxor.com ] .
Not the sanitation of lonely , well-lit hospital.A second later the door opened again and in walked not Eric 's LARP troop or Linux party , but something far less arousing : a New Jersey state police officer .
" Eric Raymond ?
" the officer asked .
He was 6'2 " and built like the Mack trucks he probably ticketed on a daily basis .
" Yes , sir , that 's me , officer , " Eric stammered .
He hated being dominated .
" You 're under arrest for lewd conduct , public indecency , and conspiracy to solicit , " the officer said .
The tone in his voice told Eric not to interrupt .
" You have the right to remain silent .
Anything you say " Eric 's mind wandered .
He had to call his wife .
She was his attorney and had dealt with this sort of thing before .
He had to keep this quiet.Eric decided then and there to be as cooperative as possible .
" Do you understand these rights , Mr .
Raymond ? " " Yeah , sure , " Eric said .
" But I 'd like to share info about the other party involved in this incident .
" " Go ahead ?
" the officer said , not expecting Eric 's offer .
" The other party , " Eric said , " is a man named Emad , an Iranian hacker , quite possible in this country illegally .
His email address is emad.opensores @ gmail.com [ mailto ] and his AIM handle is iran2hax0rc0ck [ aim ] .
" " Any idea who the other parties involved were ?
" the trooper asked , taking his notepad out .
" Other parties ?
There were no other parties .
Just Emad and I .
" " Mr Raymond , " the trooper said , " you were the victim of sexual assault last night .
" Eric 's left eye twitched .
It was usually him , with his Glock and J   germeister , in charge of the proceedings .
Not the other way around .
He felt so powerless .
" You 'll be arraigned upon your release from the hospital .
Do you understand that ?
" " Sure , " Eric said , " but why do you think there were other parties ?
It was just Emad and I the entire time. " " Mr .
Raymond , " the trooper said while replacing his notebook , " our crime lab extracted the DNA of two other people from your wounds .
" Eric sweated , cold and salty , and his world spun .
Who else had been there ?
" Also , " the trooper said , producing a plastic bag , " do you know what this is ?
" He handed the object to Eric , who turned it back and forth .
It reflected the room 's lights weakly through the baggie .
" It 's Ubuntu , " Eric said softly. " Ubuntu ?
What 's that ?
" the trooper said .
" It 's a Linux distribution , " Eric said unhelpfully .
" Where did you get it ?
" Eric noticed the version number on the CD face as he passed it back to the trooper .
9.10Karmic Koala.The trooper looked away before he spoke .
" The doctors removed it from deep inside your ass .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Eric felt his scrotum contract in its latest desperate attempt to keep his testicles warm.
This hospital, wherever it was, was damned drafty.It didn't help that the nurses on his floor, who had been treating Eric like a complete bitch, liked to keep the air conditioning cranked up.
Or was it just his room?
He noticed they pulled their cardigans and sweaters around them only when they came to see him."Nurse!
Nurse!" Eric shouted.
"Excuse me, nurse?!
"Eric heard a chair creak, followed by footsteps coming down the hall.
They were quick around here, one of the only good things Eric had yet noticed.
Perhaps it was because of his celebrity status."Yes?
" the nurse said, crossing her goose-pimpled arms.
"Nurse, it's damn cold in here," Eric said.
"And I think my pain medication is wearing off.
Can I have some more pills?
"Her beady eyes, set atop wrinkled, puffy cheeks, lasered him in his bed.
This was the sixth time Eric had shouted for her since her shift began.
She didn't know him well but she was definitely starting to hate him."Oh!
And my urinal needs emptied!
" Eric added.The nurse pursed her lips and folded her arms without breaking eye contact, "get fucked" in body language.Eric smiled a crooked, leering grin at her and winked in a bid to charm her into emptying his piss.
The nurse wondered if he was about to have another seizure.She picked up Eric's chart, flipped through it, and replaced it."Mr.
Raymond," the nurse said, "you're not due for more pain medication for two more hours.
"Eric's mustache, orange and drooping, twitched.
"Do you need your bandages looked at?
"Eric shifted in his bed, stiff and uncomfortable.
He slowly, awkwardly, stretched his hospital gown down over his knees.
"Nooo, no, no I don't," Eric said.
"My bandages are just fine.
""Fine then," the nurse said.
"I'll get your urinal.
Do you need anything else?
"Eric watched as the nurse lifted his urinal carefully off of his lunch tray.
It was completely full1,000 cubic centimeters, one full quart of piss and mounding at the top.The nurse stifled a gag as she slowly made her way into the restroom.
"This damn IV has me swimming!
" Eric called after her with a quick laugh.He heard her pouring his urine into the toilet and felt the urge to go again.
It had been dark brown, viscous, and smelled to high heaven like sick wet meat.
He really hoped whatever they had him on was working.She returned from the restroom and replaced Eric's urinal.
"I'll be back when it's time for your medication," she said.
"Dinner is in an hour.
"With that she left until, she knew too well, the next time Eric grew bored or irritated.Feeling as anxious as ever, Eric reached for billywig [catb.org], his blueberry iBook [apple.com], which had finally charged.
He hit the start button and watched Yellow Dog Linux [fixstars.com] slowly crawl off of the hard drive into RAM.Thank god this hospital had wifi.
Thank god he had an Airport card in his iBook.
http://www.google.com/search?q=brown+piss [google.com] "Nope.
" http://www.google.com/search?q=my+piss+is+brown [google.com] "Hmm Nope.
" http://www.google.com/search?q=my+piss+is+brown+std [google.com] "Nope.
" http://www.google.com/search?q=my+piss+is+brown+and+smells+like+rotting+meat+std [google.com] Eric was having no luck.
The more he optimized his Google searches, he noted with alarm, the less relevant his search hits became.foul smelling like decay meat and at times like grated yam.
this odor ... and fifth day i see dirth brown dischargeAbnormal discharge from the nipple .... the air asking what that rotten meat smell was...and the consequent search ... So, my UA (urine analysis) came back abnormal  "Jesus Christ!
" Eric muttered to himself as he squinted at his iBook's twelve inch screen.
"I don't think I have anything coming out of my nipples!
"Making sure his iBook was steady, he gingerly squeezed his left pectoral."Nope.
"Eric command-tabbed back to vi, where he was typing "RFI on brown piss that smells like rotting meat" to post to his blog [ibiblio.org], when there was a knock at the door."Mr.
Raymond?"It was the nurse.
"There's someone here to see you.
"Finally, company!
A hacker mind like Eric's was not used to boredom.
He needed plenty of Iranian hackers [trollaxor.com] to chat with, a cave full of LARP buddies, or, optimally, a Linux party [trollaxor.com].
Not the sanitation of lonely, well-lit hospital.A second later the door opened again and in walked not Eric's LARP troop or Linux party, but something far less arousing: a New Jersey state police officer.
"Eric Raymond?
" the officer asked.
He was 6'2" and built like the Mack trucks he probably ticketed on a daily basis.
"Yes, sir, that's me, officer," Eric stammered.
He hated being dominated.
"You're under arrest for lewd conduct, public indecency, and conspiracy to solicit," the officer said.
The tone in his voice told Eric not to interrupt.
"You have the right to remain silent.
Anything you say"Eric's mind wandered.
He had to call his wife.
She was his attorney and had dealt with this sort of thing before.
He had to keep this quiet.Eric decided then and there to be as cooperative as possible.
"Do you understand these rights, Mr.
Raymond?""Yeah, sure," Eric said.
"But I'd like to share info about the other party involved in this incident.
""Go ahead?
" the officer said, not expecting Eric's offer.
"The other party," Eric said, "is a man named Emad, an Iranian hacker, quite possible in this country illegally.
His email address is emad.opensores@gmail.com [mailto] and his AIM handle is iran2hax0rc0ck [aim].
""Any idea who the other parties involved were?
" the trooper asked, taking his notepad out.
"Other parties?
There were no other parties.
Just Emad and I.
""Mr Raymond," the trooper said, "you were the victim of sexual assault last night.
"Eric's left eye twitched.
It was usually him, with his Glock and Jägermeister, in charge of the proceedings.
Not the other way around.
He felt so powerless.
"You'll be arraigned upon your release from the hospital.
Do you understand that?
""Sure," Eric said, "but why do you think there were other parties?
It was just Emad and I the entire time.""Mr.
Raymond," the trooper said while replacing his notebook, "our crime lab extracted the DNA of two other people from your wounds.
"Eric sweated, cold and salty, and his world spun.
Who else had been there?
"Also," the trooper said, producing a plastic bag, "do you know what this is?
"He handed the object to Eric, who turned it back and forth.
It reflected the room's lights weakly through the baggie.
"It's Ubuntu," Eric said softly."Ubuntu?
What's that?
" the trooper said.
"It's a Linux distribution," Eric said unhelpfully.
"Where did you get it?
"Eric noticed the version number on the CD face as he passed it back to the trooper.
9.10Karmic Koala.The trooper looked away before he spoke.
"The doctors removed it from deep inside your ass.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28682601</id>
	<title>Re:Okay...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247479560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, but me as a game designer am not going to invest development time into Android, because it is locked down. The same is even more true for the iPhone, that has not even got a JVM.</p><p>The Symbian API may be crappy, but it still is the best we got.<br>And from what I heard, we will soon have a new Qtopia stack and most importantly:</p><p>They want to make it open-source, so that they can use the benefits of all other open source projects, and integrate as much of them into Symbian, until it pretty much is a Linux-Symbian-Qt hybrid.<br>And I think that is a great idea. So I wish them luck with it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , but me as a game designer am not going to invest development time into Android , because it is locked down .
The same is even more true for the iPhone , that has not even got a JVM.The Symbian API may be crappy , but it still is the best we got.And from what I heard , we will soon have a new Qtopia stack and most importantly : They want to make it open-source , so that they can use the benefits of all other open source projects , and integrate as much of them into Symbian , until it pretty much is a Linux-Symbian-Qt hybrid.And I think that is a great idea .
So I wish them luck with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, but me as a game designer am not going to invest development time into Android, because it is locked down.
The same is even more true for the iPhone, that has not even got a JVM.The Symbian API may be crappy, but it still is the best we got.And from what I heard, we will soon have a new Qtopia stack and most importantly:They want to make it open-source, so that they can use the benefits of all other open source projects, and integrate as much of them into Symbian, until it pretty much is a Linux-Symbian-Qt hybrid.And I think that is a great idea.
So I wish them luck with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28681411</id>
	<title>Re:Right</title>
	<author>davester666</author>
	<datestamp>1247517840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is about the future, not the past.</p><p>How many of those phones can be upgraded to the lastest version of Symbian (can as in "the phone OS can be upgraded, the carrier will permit the phone to be upgraded, and the manufacturer will provide an upgrade)?  That number is probably a fraction of 1\% of those phones.</p><p>And the vast majority of those phones are designed to be primarily cell-phones, and not for iPhone-style applications, which is what the slashdot crowd thinks of when reading an article like this.</p><p>But the GP is right, what is the point of releasing the OS as open-source?</p><p>Neither Nokia nor the carriers are at all interested or willing for people to be able to upgrade their existing phone's OS, because it limits sales of new phones (Apple be damned!).<br>Other manufacturers may decide to use it for their phones, but they'll also choose between Android, wince, their own in-house OS.</p><p>Developers only care about the API available on the phone itself, which open-sourcing the OS doesn't really help at all (other than implementation/debugging issues).  And this is the part that I think Apple is killing everybody else at, that they have an easy, FREE way for iPhone users to upgrade their OS to the latest version.  So developers can count on more phones having the latest API's now, not one year from now.</p><p>Apple released iPhone OS 3 last month, and developers could count on millions of people being able to use Apps written for OS 3 (if they wanted to make it OS 3 only) the same day.  They didn't have to wait for people to buy new 3G/3GS phones to be able to sell their app.</p><p>Android seems to have gotten this point (and whomever makes the G1).</p><p>Microsoft hasn't (or doesn't have the clout to pull it off), because it is unlikely you'll even be able to upgrade a wince 6.5 device to wince 7 (as there is nothing the manufacturer gains from qualifying a new OS for an existing phone, because the manufacturer would have to pay MS a license fee for the new OS, but doesn't get to participate in any revenue stream resulting from the upgrade (other than selling the upgrade for a markup to end-users).  And the carriers are eager to keep their hand in everybody else's pie.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is about the future , not the past.How many of those phones can be upgraded to the lastest version of Symbian ( can as in " the phone OS can be upgraded , the carrier will permit the phone to be upgraded , and the manufacturer will provide an upgrade ) ?
That number is probably a fraction of 1 \ % of those phones.And the vast majority of those phones are designed to be primarily cell-phones , and not for iPhone-style applications , which is what the slashdot crowd thinks of when reading an article like this.But the GP is right , what is the point of releasing the OS as open-source ? Neither Nokia nor the carriers are at all interested or willing for people to be able to upgrade their existing phone 's OS , because it limits sales of new phones ( Apple be damned !
) .Other manufacturers may decide to use it for their phones , but they 'll also choose between Android , wince , their own in-house OS.Developers only care about the API available on the phone itself , which open-sourcing the OS does n't really help at all ( other than implementation/debugging issues ) .
And this is the part that I think Apple is killing everybody else at , that they have an easy , FREE way for iPhone users to upgrade their OS to the latest version .
So developers can count on more phones having the latest API 's now , not one year from now.Apple released iPhone OS 3 last month , and developers could count on millions of people being able to use Apps written for OS 3 ( if they wanted to make it OS 3 only ) the same day .
They did n't have to wait for people to buy new 3G/3GS phones to be able to sell their app.Android seems to have gotten this point ( and whomever makes the G1 ) .Microsoft has n't ( or does n't have the clout to pull it off ) , because it is unlikely you 'll even be able to upgrade a wince 6.5 device to wince 7 ( as there is nothing the manufacturer gains from qualifying a new OS for an existing phone , because the manufacturer would have to pay MS a license fee for the new OS , but does n't get to participate in any revenue stream resulting from the upgrade ( other than selling the upgrade for a markup to end-users ) .
And the carriers are eager to keep their hand in everybody else 's pie .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is about the future, not the past.How many of those phones can be upgraded to the lastest version of Symbian (can as in "the phone OS can be upgraded, the carrier will permit the phone to be upgraded, and the manufacturer will provide an upgrade)?
That number is probably a fraction of 1\% of those phones.And the vast majority of those phones are designed to be primarily cell-phones, and not for iPhone-style applications, which is what the slashdot crowd thinks of when reading an article like this.But the GP is right, what is the point of releasing the OS as open-source?Neither Nokia nor the carriers are at all interested or willing for people to be able to upgrade their existing phone's OS, because it limits sales of new phones (Apple be damned!
).Other manufacturers may decide to use it for their phones, but they'll also choose between Android, wince, their own in-house OS.Developers only care about the API available on the phone itself, which open-sourcing the OS doesn't really help at all (other than implementation/debugging issues).
And this is the part that I think Apple is killing everybody else at, that they have an easy, FREE way for iPhone users to upgrade their OS to the latest version.
So developers can count on more phones having the latest API's now, not one year from now.Apple released iPhone OS 3 last month, and developers could count on millions of people being able to use Apps written for OS 3 (if they wanted to make it OS 3 only) the same day.
They didn't have to wait for people to buy new 3G/3GS phones to be able to sell their app.Android seems to have gotten this point (and whomever makes the G1).Microsoft hasn't (or doesn't have the clout to pull it off), because it is unlikely you'll even be able to upgrade a wince 6.5 device to wince 7 (as there is nothing the manufacturer gains from qualifying a new OS for an existing phone, because the manufacturer would have to pay MS a license fee for the new OS, but doesn't get to participate in any revenue stream resulting from the upgrade (other than selling the upgrade for a markup to end-users).
And the carriers are eager to keep their hand in everybody else's pie.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28683065</id>
	<title>Do we care?</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1247481360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, really.. with all that is out there now is this that big of a deal? Perhaps it is, which is why i ask.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , really.. with all that is out there now is this that big of a deal ?
Perhaps it is , which is why i ask .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, really.. with all that is out there now is this that big of a deal?
Perhaps it is, which is why i ask.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28682663</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian has 49.5\% ww smartphone market share</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247479800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We know. We make money on it. But even better is J2ME. Pretty much everything got it. Phones, PDAs, handheld consoles, in-car-systems, you name it. Sure "write once, run everywhere" is just true in theory, because the devices are different. But when you got your JSR-XXX APIs, it gets very close to it. You just have to be very flexible about the hardware caps, including keys, screen, memory, cpu power, sound mixer, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We know .
We make money on it .
But even better is J2ME .
Pretty much everything got it .
Phones , PDAs , handheld consoles , in-car-systems , you name it .
Sure " write once , run everywhere " is just true in theory , because the devices are different .
But when you got your JSR-XXX APIs , it gets very close to it .
You just have to be very flexible about the hardware caps , including keys , screen , memory , cpu power , sound mixer , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We know.
We make money on it.
But even better is J2ME.
Pretty much everything got it.
Phones, PDAs, handheld consoles, in-car-systems, you name it.
Sure "write once, run everywhere" is just true in theory, because the devices are different.
But when you got your JSR-XXX APIs, it gets very close to it.
You just have to be very flexible about the hardware caps, including keys, screen, memory, cpu power, sound mixer, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28679891</id>
	<title>Right</title>
	<author>Colin Smith</author>
	<datestamp>1247511780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>this step is too little, too late.</p></div><p>Cos several hundred million phones produced by the largest phone manufacturers in the world are all just going to go away. Are you living on Android world?</p><p>This is interesting and welcome news.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>this step is too little , too late.Cos several hundred million phones produced by the largest phone manufacturers in the world are all just going to go away .
Are you living on Android world ? This is interesting and welcome news .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>this step is too little, too late.Cos several hundred million phones produced by the largest phone manufacturers in the world are all just going to go away.
Are you living on Android world?This is interesting and welcome news.
 
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28681069</id>
	<title>EPL/GPL compatibility</title>
	<author>RiotingPacifist</author>
	<datestamp>1247516400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse\_Public\_License" title="wikipedia.org">this</a> [wikipedia.org] EPL and GPL are incompatible due to diferening patent restrictions, however if there are no patents covering the code (or the patents are invalid), could the code be linked and redistributed under either</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to this [ wikipedia.org ] EPL and GPL are incompatible due to diferening patent restrictions , however if there are no patents covering the code ( or the patents are invalid ) , could the code be linked and redistributed under either</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to this [wikipedia.org] EPL and GPL are incompatible due to diferening patent restrictions, however if there are no patents covering the code (or the patents are invalid), could the code be linked and redistributed under either</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28684853</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian has 49.5\% ww smartphone market share</title>
	<author>Count Sessine</author>
	<datestamp>1247492220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I disagree. I think Symbian development is a nightmare, and I think that this is evidence that Nokia really doesn't "get it" when it comes to software.</p><p>1) How many of those owners of those 300m+ devices have ever paid Handago et. al. for an app? I'm guessing probably something comparable to the number of people using Android right now. That's called 'attachment rate' and it's very low on Symbian, especially compared to iPhone.</p><p>2) Symbian Signed. Come on, does it really have to be this hard/expensive? No, it doesn't.</p><p>3) Android and IPhone both do web development a lot better than Symbian.</p><p>4) Adobe Flash Lite is irrelevant. The only thing Flash is good for is playing back Flash video and Flash Lite can't do that. The rest is "Punch the Monkey" and other banner ads.</p><p>5) Symbian Signed.</p><p>6) AIKON/UIKON is a f*ing freak-show, and is worse than even Winmo development. I can't count how many stupid ways there are to lose track of resources and system-allocated memory in that mess.</p><p>7) Did I mention Symbian Signed?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I disagree .
I think Symbian development is a nightmare , and I think that this is evidence that Nokia really does n't " get it " when it comes to software.1 ) How many of those owners of those 300m + devices have ever paid Handago et .
al. for an app ?
I 'm guessing probably something comparable to the number of people using Android right now .
That 's called 'attachment rate ' and it 's very low on Symbian , especially compared to iPhone.2 ) Symbian Signed .
Come on , does it really have to be this hard/expensive ?
No , it does n't.3 ) Android and IPhone both do web development a lot better than Symbian.4 ) Adobe Flash Lite is irrelevant .
The only thing Flash is good for is playing back Flash video and Flash Lite ca n't do that .
The rest is " Punch the Monkey " and other banner ads.5 ) Symbian Signed.6 ) AIKON/UIKON is a f * ing freak-show , and is worse than even Winmo development .
I ca n't count how many stupid ways there are to lose track of resources and system-allocated memory in that mess.7 ) Did I mention Symbian Signed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I disagree.
I think Symbian development is a nightmare, and I think that this is evidence that Nokia really doesn't "get it" when it comes to software.1) How many of those owners of those 300m+ devices have ever paid Handago et.
al. for an app?
I'm guessing probably something comparable to the number of people using Android right now.
That's called 'attachment rate' and it's very low on Symbian, especially compared to iPhone.2) Symbian Signed.
Come on, does it really have to be this hard/expensive?
No, it doesn't.3) Android and IPhone both do web development a lot better than Symbian.4) Adobe Flash Lite is irrelevant.
The only thing Flash is good for is playing back Flash video and Flash Lite can't do that.
The rest is "Punch the Monkey" and other banner ads.5) Symbian Signed.6) AIKON/UIKON is a f*ing freak-show, and is worse than even Winmo development.
I can't count how many stupid ways there are to lose track of resources and system-allocated memory in that mess.7) Did I mention Symbian Signed?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28686129</id>
	<title>Re:Decline of Windows Mobile?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247502780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same reason why anyone does anything on Windows.  It's the momentum of existing software.  In other words, it's easy to port existing infrastructure.</p><p>I don't know why people complain about Symbian though.  It's just like developing for anything else (C/C++, Python, Flash, etc) plus everything running Symbian can run JavaME apps as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same reason why anyone does anything on Windows .
It 's the momentum of existing software .
In other words , it 's easy to port existing infrastructure.I do n't know why people complain about Symbian though .
It 's just like developing for anything else ( C/C + + , Python , Flash , etc ) plus everything running Symbian can run JavaME apps as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same reason why anyone does anything on Windows.
It's the momentum of existing software.
In other words, it's easy to port existing infrastructure.I don't know why people complain about Symbian though.
It's just like developing for anything else (C/C++, Python, Flash, etc) plus everything running Symbian can run JavaME apps as well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28680935</id>
	<title>Psion Calendar in SymbianOS?</title>
	<author>ElitistWhiner</author>
	<datestamp>1247515860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Precursor to Symbian the Psion OS had Calendar.app superior over todays calendar apps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Precursor to Symbian the Psion OS had Calendar.app superior over todays calendar apps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Precursor to Symbian the Psion OS had Calendar.app superior over todays calendar apps.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28679335</id>
	<title>get rid of symbian signed..</title>
	<author>mehrotra.akash</author>
	<datestamp>1247510160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>whats the point of this if all apps need to be signed by an external authority?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>whats the point of this if all apps need to be signed by an external authority ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>whats the point of this if all apps need to be signed by an external authority?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28684547</id>
	<title>Please give us an usable dev system under linux</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247489700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All solution I've tested were buggy, outdated, cumbersome to install, at least partially closed, required huge downloads and anal probes under the form of license agreeements.<br>It's about two years I've given up developing anything for cellphones under Linux, still I hope one day we'll have some free and decent dev system to allow us writing at least basic applications.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All solution I 've tested were buggy , outdated , cumbersome to install , at least partially closed , required huge downloads and anal probes under the form of license agreeements.It 's about two years I 've given up developing anything for cellphones under Linux , still I hope one day we 'll have some free and decent dev system to allow us writing at least basic applications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All solution I've tested were buggy, outdated, cumbersome to install, at least partially closed, required huge downloads and anal probes under the form of license agreeements.It's about two years I've given up developing anything for cellphones under Linux, still I hope one day we'll have some free and decent dev system to allow us writing at least basic applications.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28680485</id>
	<title>Re:Decline of Windows Mobile?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247513880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Simple, even if you don't have to pay a single dime for a Symbian license, the cost to bring Symbian to a phone is insane. It's a complete nightmare to work with for software and hardware engineers. While Windows Mobile isn't that terribly great, the cost to bring a WM device to market is by no means higher than trying to bring a Symbian device to market, again even if you don't pay anything for Symbian itself. This is the one big reason why Symbian is such a failure.</p><p>Android I don't know how expensive it would be to bring to market. Someone with more insight there might be able to tell us something about that.</p><p>iPhoneOS won't be licensed<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:) But Palm *really* should license WebOS to RIM asap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Simple , even if you do n't have to pay a single dime for a Symbian license , the cost to bring Symbian to a phone is insane .
It 's a complete nightmare to work with for software and hardware engineers .
While Windows Mobile is n't that terribly great , the cost to bring a WM device to market is by no means higher than trying to bring a Symbian device to market , again even if you do n't pay anything for Symbian itself .
This is the one big reason why Symbian is such a failure.Android I do n't know how expensive it would be to bring to market .
Someone with more insight there might be able to tell us something about that.iPhoneOS wo n't be licensed : ) But Palm * really * should license WebOS to RIM asap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simple, even if you don't have to pay a single dime for a Symbian license, the cost to bring Symbian to a phone is insane.
It's a complete nightmare to work with for software and hardware engineers.
While Windows Mobile isn't that terribly great, the cost to bring a WM device to market is by no means higher than trying to bring a Symbian device to market, again even if you don't pay anything for Symbian itself.
This is the one big reason why Symbian is such a failure.Android I don't know how expensive it would be to bring to market.
Someone with more insight there might be able to tell us something about that.iPhoneOS won't be licensed :) But Palm *really* should license WebOS to RIM asap.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28682697</id>
	<title>Re:Decline of Windows Mobile?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247479920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What was great about Windows Mobile before? That you could get cracked more easily? That it ate all the power and your battery died after 2 hours? Or that it was more expensive and buggy? ^^</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What was great about Windows Mobile before ?
That you could get cracked more easily ?
That it ate all the power and your battery died after 2 hours ?
Or that it was more expensive and buggy ?
^ ^</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What was great about Windows Mobile before?
That you could get cracked more easily?
That it ate all the power and your battery died after 2 hours?
Or that it was more expensive and buggy?
^^</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28680465</id>
	<title>Re:Decline of Windows Mobile?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247513820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because Windows Mobile has a large number of available applications that can be downloaded or installed for free.  It also has a really nice development environment in Visual Studio.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because Windows Mobile has a large number of available applications that can be downloaded or installed for free .
It also has a really nice development environment in Visual Studio .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because Windows Mobile has a large number of available applications that can be downloaded or installed for free.
It also has a really nice development environment in Visual Studio.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28685325</id>
	<title>Re:get rid of symbian signed..</title>
	<author>Ilgaz</author>
	<datestamp>1247496480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Of course, they should drop signed thing and allow everyone to do anything on OTHER PEOPLE's phones like calling premium lines, subscribing to premium SMS, setting a botnet.</p><p>When billion of dollars of poor end users wasted, they can come up with their own app store scheme rejecting things like Opera, Profimail because ''they duplicate functionality''.</p><p>Do you people have any clue what Symbian Signed prevents especially not being required for ordinary applications?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , they should drop signed thing and allow everyone to do anything on OTHER PEOPLE 's phones like calling premium lines , subscribing to premium SMS , setting a botnet.When billion of dollars of poor end users wasted , they can come up with their own app store scheme rejecting things like Opera , Profimail because ''they duplicate functionality''.Do you people have any clue what Symbian Signed prevents especially not being required for ordinary applications ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, they should drop signed thing and allow everyone to do anything on OTHER PEOPLE's phones like calling premium lines, subscribing to premium SMS, setting a botnet.When billion of dollars of poor end users wasted, they can come up with their own app store scheme rejecting things like Opera, Profimail because ''they duplicate functionality''.Do you people have any clue what Symbian Signed prevents especially not being required for ordinary applications?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28681271</id>
	<title>Re:Decline of Windows Mobile?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247517240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Huge failure ?</p><p>Last year there were over 200 million phones running Symbian OS and this will continue to grow now that manufacturers have much more flexibility over the way they use Symbian. The same cannot be said for Windows Mobile, poor customization and device makers just don't trust Microsoft.</p><p>iPhoneOS won't be licensed and will remain a very profitable niche (albeit a large one) market for Apple.</p><p>Android is more interesting, my guess is that in five years time Android will look like Symbian and Symbian will look like Android e.g. I wouldn't be surprised to see Android running Qt.</p><p>The big battle will be over the services delivered on the phone and whilst Google has a massive headstart there they will face the same problem as Microsoft with WM, no-one is going to let them control the entire market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Huge failure ? Last year there were over 200 million phones running Symbian OS and this will continue to grow now that manufacturers have much more flexibility over the way they use Symbian .
The same can not be said for Windows Mobile , poor customization and device makers just do n't trust Microsoft.iPhoneOS wo n't be licensed and will remain a very profitable niche ( albeit a large one ) market for Apple.Android is more interesting , my guess is that in five years time Android will look like Symbian and Symbian will look like Android e.g .
I would n't be surprised to see Android running Qt.The big battle will be over the services delivered on the phone and whilst Google has a massive headstart there they will face the same problem as Microsoft with WM , no-one is going to let them control the entire market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Huge failure ?Last year there were over 200 million phones running Symbian OS and this will continue to grow now that manufacturers have much more flexibility over the way they use Symbian.
The same cannot be said for Windows Mobile, poor customization and device makers just don't trust Microsoft.iPhoneOS won't be licensed and will remain a very profitable niche (albeit a large one) market for Apple.Android is more interesting, my guess is that in five years time Android will look like Symbian and Symbian will look like Android e.g.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Android running Qt.The big battle will be over the services delivered on the phone and whilst Google has a massive headstart there they will face the same problem as Microsoft with WM, no-one is going to let them control the entire market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28680483</id>
	<title>Symbian vs. Linux</title>
	<author>lixee</author>
	<datestamp>1247513880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll quote the wiki: "Symbian OS kernel (EKA2) supports sufficiently-fast real-time response such that it is possible to build a single-core phone around it&#226;"that is, a phone in which a single processor core executes both the user applications and the signalling stack. This is a feature which is not available in Linux. This has allowed SymbianOS EKA2 phones to become smaller, cheaper and more power efficient.[citation needed]"<br> <br>
Is that even true? If not, we should take it up on the discussion page.</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll quote the wiki : " Symbian OS kernel ( EKA2 ) supports sufficiently-fast real-time response such that it is possible to build a single-core phone around it   " that is , a phone in which a single processor core executes both the user applications and the signalling stack .
This is a feature which is not available in Linux .
This has allowed SymbianOS EKA2 phones to become smaller , cheaper and more power efficient .
[ citation needed ] " Is that even true ?
If not , we should take it up on the discussion page .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll quote the wiki: "Symbian OS kernel (EKA2) supports sufficiently-fast real-time response such that it is possible to build a single-core phone around itâ"that is, a phone in which a single processor core executes both the user applications and the signalling stack.
This is a feature which is not available in Linux.
This has allowed SymbianOS EKA2 phones to become smaller, cheaper and more power efficient.
[citation needed]" 
Is that even true?
If not, we should take it up on the discussion page.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28681775</id>
	<title>Re:Symbian has 49.5\% ww smartphone market share</title>
	<author>ivoras</author>
	<datestamp>1247476020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Gartner recently announced that Symbian has 49.5\% of ww smart phone market share (300m+ devices)</p></div></blockquote><p>Yeah, but... which Symbian? What non-developers usually don't get is that currently Symbian is a lot like Linux - strictly speaking it's little more then an OS kernel with a bunch of low-level APIs. What users see, the GUI, is fragmented in the same way GNOME and KDE are fragmented, and with much worse results. The developers must build different versions of their application (UIQ, S60, others) for different devices, and the users cannot simply install "the other one" enabling them to run applications written for other devices. If someone says to you that there's an application doing X "for Symbian", you better pray it's for your specific little version of Symbian. If you a have Nokia device and the app is for Sony Ericsson, you're simply out of luck and there is <b>no way</b> to run the app on your device.</p><p>And then there are other stupid mistakes, of which the worst one is having to license your app with Symbian foundation (or whoever) to be able to install it on other devices. Imagine if you developed a Windows application (of which, note, there are gazillions today) and have to pay Microsoft for the privilege of being able to install it on other people's devices. Not going to work, is it? All other modern platforms either don't have this kind of "protection" at all (Windows Mobile, Android) or have it in a much less obtrusive way (iPhone, Pre).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Gartner recently announced that Symbian has 49.5 \ % of ww smart phone market share ( 300m + devices ) Yeah , but... which Symbian ?
What non-developers usually do n't get is that currently Symbian is a lot like Linux - strictly speaking it 's little more then an OS kernel with a bunch of low-level APIs .
What users see , the GUI , is fragmented in the same way GNOME and KDE are fragmented , and with much worse results .
The developers must build different versions of their application ( UIQ , S60 , others ) for different devices , and the users can not simply install " the other one " enabling them to run applications written for other devices .
If someone says to you that there 's an application doing X " for Symbian " , you better pray it 's for your specific little version of Symbian .
If you a have Nokia device and the app is for Sony Ericsson , you 're simply out of luck and there is no way to run the app on your device.And then there are other stupid mistakes , of which the worst one is having to license your app with Symbian foundation ( or whoever ) to be able to install it on other devices .
Imagine if you developed a Windows application ( of which , note , there are gazillions today ) and have to pay Microsoft for the privilege of being able to install it on other people 's devices .
Not going to work , is it ?
All other modern platforms either do n't have this kind of " protection " at all ( Windows Mobile , Android ) or have it in a much less obtrusive way ( iPhone , Pre ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gartner recently announced that Symbian has 49.5\% of ww smart phone market share (300m+ devices)Yeah, but... which Symbian?
What non-developers usually don't get is that currently Symbian is a lot like Linux - strictly speaking it's little more then an OS kernel with a bunch of low-level APIs.
What users see, the GUI, is fragmented in the same way GNOME and KDE are fragmented, and with much worse results.
The developers must build different versions of their application (UIQ, S60, others) for different devices, and the users cannot simply install "the other one" enabling them to run applications written for other devices.
If someone says to you that there's an application doing X "for Symbian", you better pray it's for your specific little version of Symbian.
If you a have Nokia device and the app is for Sony Ericsson, you're simply out of luck and there is no way to run the app on your device.And then there are other stupid mistakes, of which the worst one is having to license your app with Symbian foundation (or whoever) to be able to install it on other devices.
Imagine if you developed a Windows application (of which, note, there are gazillions today) and have to pay Microsoft for the privilege of being able to install it on other people's devices.
Not going to work, is it?
All other modern platforms either don't have this kind of "protection" at all (Windows Mobile, Android) or have it in a much less obtrusive way (iPhone, Pre).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28679425</id>
	<title>Decline of Windows Mobile?</title>
	<author>Darkness404</author>
	<datestamp>1247510400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>With Symbian and Android now free, what is the reason for even producing a Windows Mobile handset anymore? I mean, why pay extra for a license when you can just customize your own OS for next to nothing?</htmltext>
<tokenext>With Symbian and Android now free , what is the reason for even producing a Windows Mobile handset anymore ?
I mean , why pay extra for a license when you can just customize your own OS for next to nothing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With Symbian and Android now free, what is the reason for even producing a Windows Mobile handset anymore?
I mean, why pay extra for a license when you can just customize your own OS for next to nothing?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28680027</id>
	<title>Symbian?</title>
	<author>GottliebPins</author>
	<datestamp>1247512140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>So this is a portable version of that vibrating thing? Oh, sorry, never mind...</htmltext>
<tokenext>So this is a portable version of that vibrating thing ?
Oh , sorry , never mind.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So this is a portable version of that vibrating thing?
Oh, sorry, never mind...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28679369</id>
	<title>Okay...</title>
	<author>rumith</author>
	<datestamp>1247510280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Look, that's definitely good news (especially the part of the Symbian Foundation using EPL instead of inventing some special license of their own). But does it really matter that much now? I mean that writing apps for Symbian is a horrible experience (as has been highlighted multiple times here on Slashdot, too), and now that Android has arrived and brought a much more friendly programming environment, this step is too little, too late.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Look , that 's definitely good news ( especially the part of the Symbian Foundation using EPL instead of inventing some special license of their own ) .
But does it really matter that much now ?
I mean that writing apps for Symbian is a horrible experience ( as has been highlighted multiple times here on Slashdot , too ) , and now that Android has arrived and brought a much more friendly programming environment , this step is too little , too late .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look, that's definitely good news (especially the part of the Symbian Foundation using EPL instead of inventing some special license of their own).
But does it really matter that much now?
I mean that writing apps for Symbian is a horrible experience (as has been highlighted multiple times here on Slashdot, too), and now that Android has arrived and brought a much more friendly programming environment, this step is too little, too late.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28681625</id>
	<title>Re:Decline of Windows Mobile?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247518560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>With Symbian and Android now free, what is the reason for even producing a Windows Mobile handset anymore? I mean, why pay extra for a license when you can just customize your own OS for next to nothing?</p></div><p>they're about the same price</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With Symbian and Android now free , what is the reason for even producing a Windows Mobile handset anymore ?
I mean , why pay extra for a license when you can just customize your own OS for next to nothing ? they 're about the same price</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With Symbian and Android now free, what is the reason for even producing a Windows Mobile handset anymore?
I mean, why pay extra for a license when you can just customize your own OS for next to nothing?they're about the same price
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28692533</id>
	<title>Re:EPL/GPL compatibility</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247592720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>According to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eclipse\_Public\_License" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">this</a> [wikipedia.org] EPL and GPL are incompatible due to diferening patent restrictions, however if there are no patents covering the code (or the patents are invalid), could the code be linked and redistributed under either</p></div><p>Doubtful - even if Nokia have no patents, someone somewhere almost certainly has.</p><p>If Nokia really wanted significant open source collaboration, they'd have put it under the LGPLv3 (basically like the EPL, but compatible with the most commonly used OSS license, the GPL, and for bonus points able to include Apache code within it too, which lots of OSS projects new nowadays, especially Android).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to this [ wikipedia.org ] EPL and GPL are incompatible due to diferening patent restrictions , however if there are no patents covering the code ( or the patents are invalid ) , could the code be linked and redistributed under eitherDoubtful - even if Nokia have no patents , someone somewhere almost certainly has.If Nokia really wanted significant open source collaboration , they 'd have put it under the LGPLv3 ( basically like the EPL , but compatible with the most commonly used OSS license , the GPL , and for bonus points able to include Apache code within it too , which lots of OSS projects new nowadays , especially Android ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to this [wikipedia.org] EPL and GPL are incompatible due to diferening patent restrictions, however if there are no patents covering the code (or the patents are invalid), could the code be linked and redistributed under eitherDoubtful - even if Nokia have no patents, someone somewhere almost certainly has.If Nokia really wanted significant open source collaboration, they'd have put it under the LGPLv3 (basically like the EPL, but compatible with the most commonly used OSS license, the GPL, and for bonus points able to include Apache code within it too, which lots of OSS projects new nowadays, especially Android).
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28680365</id>
	<title>Symbian has 49.5\% ww smartphone market share</title>
	<author>MagicMerl</author>
	<datestamp>1247513340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>For developers looking to make money, and use a very rich set of APIs/functionality, Symbian is the way to go.  Gartner recently announced that Symbian has 49.5\% of ww smart phone market share (300m+ devices).   The distribution channel potential is there for developers to take advantage of now - not some unknown time in the future.  Note that Symbian also has Runtime dev environments for Web, Python, and Adobe Flash Lite - who else has that?</htmltext>
<tokenext>For developers looking to make money , and use a very rich set of APIs/functionality , Symbian is the way to go .
Gartner recently announced that Symbian has 49.5 \ % of ww smart phone market share ( 300m + devices ) .
The distribution channel potential is there for developers to take advantage of now - not some unknown time in the future .
Note that Symbian also has Runtime dev environments for Web , Python , and Adobe Flash Lite - who else has that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For developers looking to make money, and use a very rich set of APIs/functionality, Symbian is the way to go.
Gartner recently announced that Symbian has 49.5\% of ww smart phone market share (300m+ devices).
The distribution channel potential is there for developers to take advantage of now - not some unknown time in the future.
Note that Symbian also has Runtime dev environments for Web, Python, and Adobe Flash Lite - who else has that?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28680355</id>
	<title>Re:ThisTRUTH about using Symbian!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247513280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Th UI could do with some polish, that much is true.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Th UI could do with some polish , that much is true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Th UI could do with some polish, that much is true.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28681003</id>
	<title>Re:Okay...</title>
	<author>Freetardo Jones</author>
	<datestamp>1247516160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>and now that Android has arrived and brought a much more friendly programming environment, this step is too little, too late.</p></div><p>Too bad the figures don't bear you out what with Symbian powering almost 50\% of all smart phones while Android is fighting to get more than 2-3\% of the market.  There are more Symbian-powered phones sold each quarter than there are even total devices running Android.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>and now that Android has arrived and brought a much more friendly programming environment , this step is too little , too late.Too bad the figures do n't bear you out what with Symbian powering almost 50 \ % of all smart phones while Android is fighting to get more than 2-3 \ % of the market .
There are more Symbian-powered phones sold each quarter than there are even total devices running Android .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and now that Android has arrived and brought a much more friendly programming environment, this step is too little, too late.Too bad the figures don't bear you out what with Symbian powering almost 50\% of all smart phones while Android is fighting to get more than 2-3\% of the market.
There are more Symbian-powered phones sold each quarter than there are even total devices running Android.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28680725</id>
	<title>Re:Right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247514960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Their developer share is quite disproportionate, though.<br>One can always hope... I do wish Nokia would drop Symbian, nuke large parts of the signing process with fire, make a decent app store, and start making Linux phones with that excellent GUI of theirs (Yes, really. IMO they make the most power user-friendly smart phones out there, programming excepted.) Won't happen in a million years, though.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Their developer share is quite disproportionate , though.One can always hope... I do wish Nokia would drop Symbian , nuke large parts of the signing process with fire , make a decent app store , and start making Linux phones with that excellent GUI of theirs ( Yes , really .
IMO they make the most power user-friendly smart phones out there , programming excepted .
) Wo n't happen in a million years , though .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Their developer share is quite disproportionate, though.One can always hope... I do wish Nokia would drop Symbian, nuke large parts of the signing process with fire, make a decent app store, and start making Linux phones with that excellent GUI of theirs (Yes, really.
IMO they make the most power user-friendly smart phones out there, programming excepted.
) Won't happen in a million years, though.
:(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28679263</id>
	<title>Posting...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247509860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Posting to undo accidental mod.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Posting to undo accidental mod .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Posting to undo accidental mod.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_1623222.28680025</id>
	<title>Because you don't get kickbacks from OS</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1247512140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>With Symbian and Android now free, what is the reason for even producing a Windows Mobile handset anymore?</i></p><p>The Microsoft kickbacks, of course.</p><p>Otherwise you'd just run Android, I don't see the appeal of free Symbian myself when you could have something more modern and with better application potential.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With Symbian and Android now free , what is the reason for even producing a Windows Mobile handset anymore ? The Microsoft kickbacks , of course.Otherwise you 'd just run Android , I do n't see the appeal of free Symbian myself when you could have something more modern and with better application potential .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With Symbian and Android now free, what is the reason for even producing a Windows Mobile handset anymore?The Microsoft kickbacks, of course.Otherwise you'd just run Android, I don't see the appeal of free Symbian myself when you could have something more modern and with better application potential.</sentencetext>
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