<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_13_0820238</id>
	<title>Shuttleworth's Take On GNOME 3.0, Coordination with Debian</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1247475240000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:suka@gentoo.org" rel="nofollow">suka</a> writes <i>"In a fresh <a href="http://derstandard.at/1246541995003/">interview with derStandard.at</a>, Ubuntu founder  Mark Shuttleworth talks about <a href="http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointZero/Plan">GNOME 3.0</a> &mdash;  its strengths, but also about what he thinks is missing. He also mentions ongoing talks for a common meta-release-cycle with Debian which could delay the next <a href="https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LTS">LTS</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>suka writes " In a fresh interview with derStandard.at , Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth talks about GNOME 3.0    its strengths , but also about what he thinks is missing .
He also mentions ongoing talks for a common meta-release-cycle with Debian which could delay the next LTS .
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<sentencetext>suka writes "In a fresh interview with derStandard.at, Ubuntu founder  Mark Shuttleworth talks about GNOME 3.0 —  its strengths, but also about what he thinks is missing.
He also mentions ongoing talks for a common meta-release-cycle with Debian which could delay the next LTS.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28674797</id>
	<title>Re:Yay! Fixing 100 Paper Cuts!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247492160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let's hope the rate that they fix these bugs is quicker than the rate they introduce new nuisances.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's hope the rate that they fix these bugs is quicker than the rate they introduce new nuisances .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's hope the rate that they fix these bugs is quicker than the rate they introduce new nuisances.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28674163</id>
	<title>Re:Not the KDE4 way, plase</title>
	<author>haifastudent</author>
	<datestamp>1247485680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What, specifically, is missing in KDE 4 for you? I'll help you file the bugs, but you need to tell me what is missing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What , specifically , is missing in KDE 4 for you ?
I 'll help you file the bugs , but you need to tell me what is missing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What, specifically, is missing in KDE 4 for you?
I'll help you file the bugs, but you need to tell me what is missing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28687853</id>
	<title>Re:Yay! Fixing 100 Paper Cuts!</title>
	<author>jawahar</author>
	<datestamp>1247564100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think giving $1 to fix 1 bug will motivate programmers to roll-out better usable FOSS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think giving $ 1 to fix 1 bug will motivate programmers to roll-out better usable FOSS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think giving $1 to fix 1 bug will motivate programmers to roll-out better usable FOSS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28673963</id>
	<title>Does Debian know about this?</title>
	<author>alfino</author>
	<datestamp>1247482920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I cannot find any discussions that Shuttleworth would have had with the Debian release team on the release or project lists. I hope he's not just talking to himself or only with those people who are members of the Debian release team and on his payroll.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can not find any discussions that Shuttleworth would have had with the Debian release team on the release or project lists .
I hope he 's not just talking to himself or only with those people who are members of the Debian release team and on his payroll .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I cannot find any discussions that Shuttleworth would have had with the Debian release team on the release or project lists.
I hope he's not just talking to himself or only with those people who are members of the Debian release team and on his payroll.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28680307</id>
	<title>Re:Not the KDE4 way, plase</title>
	<author>kojot350</author>
	<datestamp>1247513160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I did, after being supportive and forgiving from 4.0 to 4.3beta, I'm tired of KDE4 trying way too hard too reinvent everything, braking usability and killing my productivity.<br> Maybe after 4.5 it will be mature enough, like 3.5... oh wait</htmltext>
<tokenext>I did , after being supportive and forgiving from 4.0 to 4.3beta , I 'm tired of KDE4 trying way too hard too reinvent everything , braking usability and killing my productivity .
Maybe after 4.5 it will be mature enough , like 3.5... oh wait</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I did, after being supportive and forgiving from 4.0 to 4.3beta, I'm tired of KDE4 trying way too hard too reinvent everything, braking usability and killing my productivity.
Maybe after 4.5 it will be mature enough, like 3.5... oh wait</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28750491</id>
	<title>Re:mod parent up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1248000600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, KDE turned into a clusterfuck with KDE 4. Even using 4.3 I want to kill somebody with a hammer.
<br> <br>
GNOME's not quite to "cluster-fuck" level yet. Give it another major release or two, when Mono infects the whole thing, thanks to everybody's favorite Microsoft shill Miguel de Icaza, THEN it'll be a clusterfuck.
<br> <br>
I prefer Xfce, but I haven't quite seen it get to "yay" level. Lxde still needs a lot of work, and I'm still not sure how far a DE can go using BlackBox for a WM.
<br> <br>
I'll grant Pulse Audio. I've seen scant few systems that Pulse Audio runs on that it <b>doesn't</b> break sound on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , KDE turned into a clusterfuck with KDE 4 .
Even using 4.3 I want to kill somebody with a hammer .
GNOME 's not quite to " cluster-fuck " level yet .
Give it another major release or two , when Mono infects the whole thing , thanks to everybody 's favorite Microsoft shill Miguel de Icaza , THEN it 'll be a clusterfuck .
I prefer Xfce , but I have n't quite seen it get to " yay " level .
Lxde still needs a lot of work , and I 'm still not sure how far a DE can go using BlackBox for a WM .
I 'll grant Pulse Audio .
I 've seen scant few systems that Pulse Audio runs on that it does n't break sound on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, KDE turned into a clusterfuck with KDE 4.
Even using 4.3 I want to kill somebody with a hammer.
GNOME's not quite to "cluster-fuck" level yet.
Give it another major release or two, when Mono infects the whole thing, thanks to everybody's favorite Microsoft shill Miguel de Icaza, THEN it'll be a clusterfuck.
I prefer Xfce, but I haven't quite seen it get to "yay" level.
Lxde still needs a lot of work, and I'm still not sure how far a DE can go using BlackBox for a WM.
I'll grant Pulse Audio.
I've seen scant few systems that Pulse Audio runs on that it doesn't break sound on.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28674619</id>
	<title>Gnome is hopeless with leaders like this</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247490720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>It starts with calling design "art."&nbsp; Art is what you find in the Louvre, not the consistency of visual messaging on the desktop. Every once in a while they decide they're going to reinvent how desktops work. Well, we've all been dealing with their half baked reinventions for a long time. Things that mostly work but have strange bugs preventing you from doing essential stuff. Incomplete components, like the horrible default music players and photo viewers (you can't even view pictures by date). Companies like Apple and even Microsoft do a much better job of at least pushing out products that have all the essential features, and if they have some brilliant new idea it's there in full. I hate to say it, but these guys should stick to copying. Flatter away. Because sticking to good designs is a much better choice for the end user. If they could really get the basic ideas, they might even be able to take them farther sometimes. But I'm not holding my breath.</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>It starts with calling design " art .
"   Art is what you find in the Louvre , not the consistency of visual messaging on the desktop .
Every once in a while they decide they 're going to reinvent how desktops work .
Well , we 've all been dealing with their half baked reinventions for a long time .
Things that mostly work but have strange bugs preventing you from doing essential stuff .
Incomplete components , like the horrible default music players and photo viewers ( you ca n't even view pictures by date ) .
Companies like Apple and even Microsoft do a much better job of at least pushing out products that have all the essential features , and if they have some brilliant new idea it 's there in full .
I hate to say it , but these guys should stick to copying .
Flatter away .
Because sticking to good designs is a much better choice for the end user .
If they could really get the basic ideas , they might even be able to take them farther sometimes .
But I 'm not holding my breath .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It starts with calling design "art.
"  Art is what you find in the Louvre, not the consistency of visual messaging on the desktop.
Every once in a while they decide they're going to reinvent how desktops work.
Well, we've all been dealing with their half baked reinventions for a long time.
Things that mostly work but have strange bugs preventing you from doing essential stuff.
Incomplete components, like the horrible default music players and photo viewers (you can't even view pictures by date).
Companies like Apple and even Microsoft do a much better job of at least pushing out products that have all the essential features, and if they have some brilliant new idea it's there in full.
I hate to say it, but these guys should stick to copying.
Flatter away.
Because sticking to good designs is a much better choice for the end user.
If they could really get the basic ideas, they might even be able to take them farther sometimes.
But I'm not holding my breath.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28675547</id>
	<title>Re:GNOME 3.0 sneak preview</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247496900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is due to the technologies under both desktops.</p><p>On GNOME, the productivity is very low. No, let's be honest, there is no such things as productivity when developing on GNOME. So developers tends to plan carefully any features and try to do the minimum required feature set to minimize the pain of coding. The guys of GNOME need to drop GTK, stop digging their grave with Mono, and move toward more flexibility for the development.</p><p>On KDE, the flexibility is high. So developers tends to code every feature they can imagine. In the end, we have 50\% of totally useless features in each releases of KDE.<br>The guys of KDE need to admit when an idea was wrong and just drop the code. KDE 4 could be made much better just by dropping features...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is due to the technologies under both desktops.On GNOME , the productivity is very low .
No , let 's be honest , there is no such things as productivity when developing on GNOME .
So developers tends to plan carefully any features and try to do the minimum required feature set to minimize the pain of coding .
The guys of GNOME need to drop GTK , stop digging their grave with Mono , and move toward more flexibility for the development.On KDE , the flexibility is high .
So developers tends to code every feature they can imagine .
In the end , we have 50 \ % of totally useless features in each releases of KDE.The guys of KDE need to admit when an idea was wrong and just drop the code .
KDE 4 could be made much better just by dropping features.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is due to the technologies under both desktops.On GNOME, the productivity is very low.
No, let's be honest, there is no such things as productivity when developing on GNOME.
So developers tends to plan carefully any features and try to do the minimum required feature set to minimize the pain of coding.
The guys of GNOME need to drop GTK, stop digging their grave with Mono, and move toward more flexibility for the development.On KDE, the flexibility is high.
So developers tends to code every feature they can imagine.
In the end, we have 50\% of totally useless features in each releases of KDE.The guys of KDE need to admit when an idea was wrong and just drop the code.
KDE 4 could be made much better just by dropping features...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28674703</id>
	<title>Re:Gnome 3.0?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247491320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would you be willing to explain that statement a bit? It sounds totally non-sensical, considering that the current plan is that 3.0 will come after 2.28 (which is the next release) and that there aren't any major overhauls in the plans: the biggest I know of are using eds-dbus and gnome-shell. Eds-dbus is definitely not vapourware and even gnome-shell is going pretty well (Intels metacity branch is pretty cool and seems to work just fine).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would you be willing to explain that statement a bit ?
It sounds totally non-sensical , considering that the current plan is that 3.0 will come after 2.28 ( which is the next release ) and that there are n't any major overhauls in the plans : the biggest I know of are using eds-dbus and gnome-shell .
Eds-dbus is definitely not vapourware and even gnome-shell is going pretty well ( Intels metacity branch is pretty cool and seems to work just fine ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would you be willing to explain that statement a bit?
It sounds totally non-sensical, considering that the current plan is that 3.0 will come after 2.28 (which is the next release) and that there aren't any major overhauls in the plans: the biggest I know of are using eds-dbus and gnome-shell.
Eds-dbus is definitely not vapourware and even gnome-shell is going pretty well (Intels metacity branch is pretty cool and seems to work just fine).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28680339</id>
	<title>Re:Don't include Gnome 3 in the next LTS</title>
	<author>Abcd1234</author>
	<datestamp>1247513280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I'm not a Ubuntu advocate (more of a Fedora/RHEL person really) but if the well documented problems with KDE 4 are anything to go by then including Gnome 3 in the next LTS release of Ubuntu would be IMHO a big mistake.</i></p><p>Why?  Because you assume the Gnome developers are as hideous at project management and release planning as the KDE developers?</p><p>Gnome 3.0 will almost certainly have it's issues.  All software does, no matter what the minor release number is.  But somethings tells me it won't be the quite literally half-finished bugfest that was KDE 4.0.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not a Ubuntu advocate ( more of a Fedora/RHEL person really ) but if the well documented problems with KDE 4 are anything to go by then including Gnome 3 in the next LTS release of Ubuntu would be IMHO a big mistake.Why ?
Because you assume the Gnome developers are as hideous at project management and release planning as the KDE developers ? Gnome 3.0 will almost certainly have it 's issues .
All software does , no matter what the minor release number is .
But somethings tells me it wo n't be the quite literally half-finished bugfest that was KDE 4.0 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a Ubuntu advocate (more of a Fedora/RHEL person really) but if the well documented problems with KDE 4 are anything to go by then including Gnome 3 in the next LTS release of Ubuntu would be IMHO a big mistake.Why?
Because you assume the Gnome developers are as hideous at project management and release planning as the KDE developers?Gnome 3.0 will almost certainly have it's issues.
All software does, no matter what the minor release number is.
But somethings tells me it won't be the quite literally half-finished bugfest that was KDE 4.0.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28673775</id>
	<title>Yay! Fixing 100 Paper Cuts!</title>
	<author>ziggamon2.0</author>
	<datestamp>1247480400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>So, it finally happened!
A major effort by a distro to fix one hundred really small but irritating bugs. Also known as polish. This is what Ubuntu needs, and to be fair has been quite good at. Just fixing more and more of the tiny annoyances is what creates a well-rounded desktop. On the other hand, they are introducing Gnome Shell, which while probably cool, will certainly introduce a couple of hundred new paper cuts!
<br> <br>

<a href="https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts" title="launchpad.net" rel="nofollow">https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts</a> [launchpad.net]</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , it finally happened !
A major effort by a distro to fix one hundred really small but irritating bugs .
Also known as polish .
This is what Ubuntu needs , and to be fair has been quite good at .
Just fixing more and more of the tiny annoyances is what creates a well-rounded desktop .
On the other hand , they are introducing Gnome Shell , which while probably cool , will certainly introduce a couple of hundred new paper cuts !
https : //launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts [ launchpad.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, it finally happened!
A major effort by a distro to fix one hundred really small but irritating bugs.
Also known as polish.
This is what Ubuntu needs, and to be fair has been quite good at.
Just fixing more and more of the tiny annoyances is what creates a well-rounded desktop.
On the other hand, they are introducing Gnome Shell, which while probably cool, will certainly introduce a couple of hundred new paper cuts!
https://launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts [launchpad.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28674505</id>
	<title>Re:Not the KDE4 way, plase</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247489820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I've been using 4.0, 4.1 and am now under 4.2. And I really don't agree with you about the lightweight aspect : I am easily using twice the RAM compared to 3.5, now. As for the CPU ? There are so many heavy processes loaded on KDE4 start up that my 4 CPU cores get a maxed out utilization then : it is very slow to load up, in comparison with 3.5, where it was instantaneous.</p><p>And yes, I've got graphic acceleration : no problem with that, it is smooth and composited (though I deactivate most of the silly hippie-under-drugs effects). But it just consumes insane loads of resources.</p><p>Not to speak with the shitload of problems, making 4.2 still functionnally very far from 3.5, and nowhere near an improvement, in any way.</p><p>I run dual-head display : my main one is on the right, the other on the left. I like to put the desktop toolbar on the left side of the right screen, so it is near to each display. Well, with 4.2, it still doesn't work : when I maximize windows, they don't see this toolbar, and are maximized so that this toolbar covers them. Though, if I put this bar on the right side, windows maximize correctly (WTF ???). Worse is that I should be happy (with 4.1, right or left side, maximizing didn't work correctly, and with 4.0, most of the time, sliding this bar to another side of the screen it was on made plasma hang 2 times out of 3).</p><p>I could also speak about the plasmoid system monitor, nowhere near the level of functionnality of the 3.5 one (I could then choose the number of lines and columns, the number of pixels and such, the info were displayed on ; current one is just bling-bling retarded fashionist and unusable crap).</p><p>Or about the fact they replaced the silly ancient toolbar that did not follow the global theme (it was bitmap based) with this plasma stupid crap (that still doesn't follow the global theme - window borders use plasma, the desktop toolbar use plasma, but still, they do not use the same theme, except with one very specific plasma theme : WTF ???).</p><p>As for the plasmoid desktop : pure crap. With the ancient one, I could configure a left mouse button on it to display the application menu : now, I cannot even do this anymore, and am forced to go seek in the desktop toolbar (that I cannot move in the place that suits me) - what do I gain ? The ability to display cretinized widgets on a desktop that I like to cover with windows as much as possible : epic fail.</p><p>Not to speak about Konqueror still crashing several times a day (but a lot less than with 4.1, I must admit ; though still unacceptable ; and I should precize it is not related to flash : do not have it activated for Konqueror).</p><p>I also feel like throwing rocks at this interface totalitarist that Seigo is, with his stupid at most shitty-cashew. May he like this horrible crap as he wants : but it is as retarded as Gnome not to provide people with an OFFICIAL way to make it finally disappear. Seigo is what he is, but he's not the one, nor actually anybody, that will tell me what I need and what I don't. Who is he thinking he is : an interface nazi ?</p><p>And I could go on, and on, and on... And I've experienced this on several distros (Debian Sid, Mandriva, Fedora,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...) : not just an integration problem.</p><p>Now, for the things that always bothered me with KDE : like the kioslaves, unable to stream anything (with fish or sftp kio, you have to download a whole file, hoping you have enough space in your<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/var/tmp, and only then are you able to play it : for big media files, this is really retarded ; a fuse kio, anyone? Hey, wake up, it is next millenium!). Or the lack of privacy options in Konqueror (you cannot deactivate history : it will at least remember the last item in the list, which I DO NO EVEN WANT IT TO). Or the smartcard support for loging in and such (shame Gnome is more advanced towards this).</p><p>Well, guess : none has been thinking about those being fixed. Nice... very nice. I really hate Gnome and its GTK crap, but as for KDE4 compared with KDE3, th</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I 've been using 4.0 , 4.1 and am now under 4.2 .
And I really do n't agree with you about the lightweight aspect : I am easily using twice the RAM compared to 3.5 , now .
As for the CPU ?
There are so many heavy processes loaded on KDE4 start up that my 4 CPU cores get a maxed out utilization then : it is very slow to load up , in comparison with 3.5 , where it was instantaneous.And yes , I 've got graphic acceleration : no problem with that , it is smooth and composited ( though I deactivate most of the silly hippie-under-drugs effects ) .
But it just consumes insane loads of resources.Not to speak with the shitload of problems , making 4.2 still functionnally very far from 3.5 , and nowhere near an improvement , in any way.I run dual-head display : my main one is on the right , the other on the left .
I like to put the desktop toolbar on the left side of the right screen , so it is near to each display .
Well , with 4.2 , it still does n't work : when I maximize windows , they do n't see this toolbar , and are maximized so that this toolbar covers them .
Though , if I put this bar on the right side , windows maximize correctly ( WTF ? ? ? ) .
Worse is that I should be happy ( with 4.1 , right or left side , maximizing did n't work correctly , and with 4.0 , most of the time , sliding this bar to another side of the screen it was on made plasma hang 2 times out of 3 ) .I could also speak about the plasmoid system monitor , nowhere near the level of functionnality of the 3.5 one ( I could then choose the number of lines and columns , the number of pixels and such , the info were displayed on ; current one is just bling-bling retarded fashionist and unusable crap ) .Or about the fact they replaced the silly ancient toolbar that did not follow the global theme ( it was bitmap based ) with this plasma stupid crap ( that still does n't follow the global theme - window borders use plasma , the desktop toolbar use plasma , but still , they do not use the same theme , except with one very specific plasma theme : WTF ? ? ?
) .As for the plasmoid desktop : pure crap .
With the ancient one , I could configure a left mouse button on it to display the application menu : now , I can not even do this anymore , and am forced to go seek in the desktop toolbar ( that I can not move in the place that suits me ) - what do I gain ?
The ability to display cretinized widgets on a desktop that I like to cover with windows as much as possible : epic fail.Not to speak about Konqueror still crashing several times a day ( but a lot less than with 4.1 , I must admit ; though still unacceptable ; and I should precize it is not related to flash : do not have it activated for Konqueror ) .I also feel like throwing rocks at this interface totalitarist that Seigo is , with his stupid at most shitty-cashew .
May he like this horrible crap as he wants : but it is as retarded as Gnome not to provide people with an OFFICIAL way to make it finally disappear .
Seigo is what he is , but he 's not the one , nor actually anybody , that will tell me what I need and what I do n't .
Who is he thinking he is : an interface nazi ? And I could go on , and on , and on... And I 've experienced this on several distros ( Debian Sid , Mandriva , Fedora , ... ) : not just an integration problem.Now , for the things that always bothered me with KDE : like the kioslaves , unable to stream anything ( with fish or sftp kio , you have to download a whole file , hoping you have enough space in your /var/tmp , and only then are you able to play it : for big media files , this is really retarded ; a fuse kio , anyone ?
Hey , wake up , it is next millenium ! ) .
Or the lack of privacy options in Konqueror ( you can not deactivate history : it will at least remember the last item in the list , which I DO NO EVEN WANT IT TO ) .
Or the smartcard support for loging in and such ( shame Gnome is more advanced towards this ) .Well , guess : none has been thinking about those being fixed .
Nice... very nice .
I really hate Gnome and its GTK crap , but as for KDE4 compared with KDE3 , th</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I've been using 4.0, 4.1 and am now under 4.2.
And I really don't agree with you about the lightweight aspect : I am easily using twice the RAM compared to 3.5, now.
As for the CPU ?
There are so many heavy processes loaded on KDE4 start up that my 4 CPU cores get a maxed out utilization then : it is very slow to load up, in comparison with 3.5, where it was instantaneous.And yes, I've got graphic acceleration : no problem with that, it is smooth and composited (though I deactivate most of the silly hippie-under-drugs effects).
But it just consumes insane loads of resources.Not to speak with the shitload of problems, making 4.2 still functionnally very far from 3.5, and nowhere near an improvement, in any way.I run dual-head display : my main one is on the right, the other on the left.
I like to put the desktop toolbar on the left side of the right screen, so it is near to each display.
Well, with 4.2, it still doesn't work : when I maximize windows, they don't see this toolbar, and are maximized so that this toolbar covers them.
Though, if I put this bar on the right side, windows maximize correctly (WTF ???).
Worse is that I should be happy (with 4.1, right or left side, maximizing didn't work correctly, and with 4.0, most of the time, sliding this bar to another side of the screen it was on made plasma hang 2 times out of 3).I could also speak about the plasmoid system monitor, nowhere near the level of functionnality of the 3.5 one (I could then choose the number of lines and columns, the number of pixels and such, the info were displayed on ; current one is just bling-bling retarded fashionist and unusable crap).Or about the fact they replaced the silly ancient toolbar that did not follow the global theme (it was bitmap based) with this plasma stupid crap (that still doesn't follow the global theme - window borders use plasma, the desktop toolbar use plasma, but still, they do not use the same theme, except with one very specific plasma theme : WTF ???
).As for the plasmoid desktop : pure crap.
With the ancient one, I could configure a left mouse button on it to display the application menu : now, I cannot even do this anymore, and am forced to go seek in the desktop toolbar (that I cannot move in the place that suits me) - what do I gain ?
The ability to display cretinized widgets on a desktop that I like to cover with windows as much as possible : epic fail.Not to speak about Konqueror still crashing several times a day (but a lot less than with 4.1, I must admit ; though still unacceptable ; and I should precize it is not related to flash : do not have it activated for Konqueror).I also feel like throwing rocks at this interface totalitarist that Seigo is, with his stupid at most shitty-cashew.
May he like this horrible crap as he wants : but it is as retarded as Gnome not to provide people with an OFFICIAL way to make it finally disappear.
Seigo is what he is, but he's not the one, nor actually anybody, that will tell me what I need and what I don't.
Who is he thinking he is : an interface nazi ?And I could go on, and on, and on... And I've experienced this on several distros (Debian Sid, Mandriva, Fedora, ...) : not just an integration problem.Now, for the things that always bothered me with KDE : like the kioslaves, unable to stream anything (with fish or sftp kio, you have to download a whole file, hoping you have enough space in your /var/tmp, and only then are you able to play it : for big media files, this is really retarded ; a fuse kio, anyone?
Hey, wake up, it is next millenium!).
Or the lack of privacy options in Konqueror (you cannot deactivate history : it will at least remember the last item in the list, which I DO NO EVEN WANT IT TO).
Or the smartcard support for loging in and such (shame Gnome is more advanced towards this).Well, guess : none has been thinking about those being fixed.
Nice... very nice.
I really hate Gnome and its GTK crap, but as for KDE4 compared with KDE3, th</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28673951</id>
	<title>No one will repeat the KDE4 tar pit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247482860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I say that IMO KDE4 was the biggest FOSS failure regarding management, planning, and development ever. It is at least the biggest cluster-f* of failure I can remember of. After such a text book example of how to destroy a project, I doubt anyone else will repeat it.<br><br>[...]<br><br>The KDE 4 release - according to... myself<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-P<br><br>A bunch of devs decided to rewrite code, for the sake or rewriting. Much more code than they could churn. Users did not care, many other devs did not care as well. They literally walked into the 'tar pit'. So taken by group think they thought the more people we suck in, the faster we may find our way out of this tar pit.<br><br>So they decided to "trick" users into using it by calling this particular SVN checkout of "4.0". They knew it would get pushed into users due to the expected meaning of a ".0" release. At the same that they defend themselves saying that it was implied to be work in progress, they admit that the move was to get testers to it, as otherwise no one seemed interested.<br><br>KDE maintainers in many distros -probably also taken by 'group thinking'- decided that indeed, the greater the amount of people we inflict this pain, the faster we'll get out of this tar pit. And KDE4 was trickled down onto users.<br><br>I have no respect for people saying that a line in release notes was the only thing that was missing. KDE was in a tar pit. It still is, and no "line in the release notes" would have changed that.<br><br>Users did not want KDE4 code. They wanted the 3.5 branch, but that was being killed, with many bugs being closed in 3.5 with the excuse of it being "unmaintained" (yes, there was a maintenance release but that was actually much *later*, when some devs realized the size of the kde4 problem).<br><br>[...]<br><br>The only problem in this group thinking was the piece where they believed that (1) users did not have anywhere else to go; (2) that the Desktop world would keep still in the 3 years that it took them to rewrite existing code. The desktop environment that used to have 70\% of user preference (Linux Journal pools) is now a bleeb in Gnome's radar.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I say that IMO KDE4 was the biggest FOSS failure regarding management , planning , and development ever .
It is at least the biggest cluster-f * of failure I can remember of .
After such a text book example of how to destroy a project , I doubt anyone else will repeat it. [ .. .
] The KDE 4 release - according to... myself : -PA bunch of devs decided to rewrite code , for the sake or rewriting .
Much more code than they could churn .
Users did not care , many other devs did not care as well .
They literally walked into the 'tar pit' .
So taken by group think they thought the more people we suck in , the faster we may find our way out of this tar pit.So they decided to " trick " users into using it by calling this particular SVN checkout of " 4.0 " .
They knew it would get pushed into users due to the expected meaning of a " .0 " release .
At the same that they defend themselves saying that it was implied to be work in progress , they admit that the move was to get testers to it , as otherwise no one seemed interested.KDE maintainers in many distros -probably also taken by 'group thinking'- decided that indeed , the greater the amount of people we inflict this pain , the faster we 'll get out of this tar pit .
And KDE4 was trickled down onto users.I have no respect for people saying that a line in release notes was the only thing that was missing .
KDE was in a tar pit .
It still is , and no " line in the release notes " would have changed that.Users did not want KDE4 code .
They wanted the 3.5 branch , but that was being killed , with many bugs being closed in 3.5 with the excuse of it being " unmaintained " ( yes , there was a maintenance release but that was actually much * later * , when some devs realized the size of the kde4 problem ) . [ .. .
] The only problem in this group thinking was the piece where they believed that ( 1 ) users did not have anywhere else to go ; ( 2 ) that the Desktop world would keep still in the 3 years that it took them to rewrite existing code .
The desktop environment that used to have 70 \ % of user preference ( Linux Journal pools ) is now a bleeb in Gnome 's radar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I say that IMO KDE4 was the biggest FOSS failure regarding management, planning, and development ever.
It is at least the biggest cluster-f* of failure I can remember of.
After such a text book example of how to destroy a project, I doubt anyone else will repeat it.[...
]The KDE 4 release - according to... myself :-PA bunch of devs decided to rewrite code, for the sake or rewriting.
Much more code than they could churn.
Users did not care, many other devs did not care as well.
They literally walked into the 'tar pit'.
So taken by group think they thought the more people we suck in, the faster we may find our way out of this tar pit.So they decided to "trick" users into using it by calling this particular SVN checkout of "4.0".
They knew it would get pushed into users due to the expected meaning of a ".0" release.
At the same that they defend themselves saying that it was implied to be work in progress, they admit that the move was to get testers to it, as otherwise no one seemed interested.KDE maintainers in many distros -probably also taken by 'group thinking'- decided that indeed, the greater the amount of people we inflict this pain, the faster we'll get out of this tar pit.
And KDE4 was trickled down onto users.I have no respect for people saying that a line in release notes was the only thing that was missing.
KDE was in a tar pit.
It still is, and no "line in the release notes" would have changed that.Users did not want KDE4 code.
They wanted the 3.5 branch, but that was being killed, with many bugs being closed in 3.5 with the excuse of it being "unmaintained" (yes, there was a maintenance release but that was actually much *later*, when some devs realized the size of the kde4 problem).[...
]The only problem in this group thinking was the piece where they believed that (1) users did not have anywhere else to go; (2) that the Desktop world would keep still in the 3 years that it took them to rewrite existing code.
The desktop environment that used to have 70\% of user preference (Linux Journal pools) is now a bleeb in Gnome's radar.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28673653</id>
	<title>Gnome, eh ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247479080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Didn't someone tell him ? Google Chrome OS is dumping Gnome and KDE because they're clusterfucks.<br>The chance of gnome going anywhere past 2010 is pretty much zero.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Did n't someone tell him ?
Google Chrome OS is dumping Gnome and KDE because they 're clusterfucks.The chance of gnome going anywhere past 2010 is pretty much zero .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didn't someone tell him ?
Google Chrome OS is dumping Gnome and KDE because they're clusterfucks.The chance of gnome going anywhere past 2010 is pretty much zero.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28683719</id>
	<title>They already did</title>
	<author>melted</author>
	<datestamp>1247484900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt; KDE plans to turn its entire desktop into a widget of itself</p><p>They already did. In KDE4.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; KDE plans to turn its entire desktop into a widget of itselfThey already did .
In KDE4 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt; KDE plans to turn its entire desktop into a widget of itselfThey already did.
In KDE4.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28674543</id>
	<title>Re:Not the KDE4 way, plase</title>
	<author>IrquiM</author>
	<datestamp>1247490240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If people had listened to what the KDE community said they'd still be on 3.5.10.</p><p>Slackware is probably one of the last ones to switch, as it's 12.2 is still KDE 3.5, but current is on 4.2.</p><p>Don't blame KDE for the mistakes of stupid distro-admins with no respect for their user community.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If people had listened to what the KDE community said they 'd still be on 3.5.10.Slackware is probably one of the last ones to switch , as it 's 12.2 is still KDE 3.5 , but current is on 4.2.Do n't blame KDE for the mistakes of stupid distro-admins with no respect for their user community .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If people had listened to what the KDE community said they'd still be on 3.5.10.Slackware is probably one of the last ones to switch, as it's 12.2 is still KDE 3.5, but current is on 4.2.Don't blame KDE for the mistakes of stupid distro-admins with no respect for their user community.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28681009</id>
	<title>Drop gnome and ms fan boi miguel!</title>
	<author>rec9140</author>
	<datestamp>1247516160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Until the main Ubununtu drops gnome and its ms fan boi miguel to the curb I will continue to look for and use alternatives that are KDE based, and no thats not the disaster that is kubunutu... I use Linux Mint KDE Version Elyssa (they've since drank the KDE4 koolaid, so I am looking for a replacement).</p><p>Also you need to drop the mono/moonlight crap from the distro too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Until the main Ubununtu drops gnome and its ms fan boi miguel to the curb I will continue to look for and use alternatives that are KDE based , and no thats not the disaster that is kubunutu... I use Linux Mint KDE Version Elyssa ( they 've since drank the KDE4 koolaid , so I am looking for a replacement ) .Also you need to drop the mono/moonlight crap from the distro too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until the main Ubununtu drops gnome and its ms fan boi miguel to the curb I will continue to look for and use alternatives that are KDE based, and no thats not the disaster that is kubunutu... I use Linux Mint KDE Version Elyssa (they've since drank the KDE4 koolaid, so I am looking for a replacement).Also you need to drop the mono/moonlight crap from the distro too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28678489</id>
	<title>Re:GTK</title>
	<author>TheModelEskimo</author>
	<datestamp>1247507400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt;Get rid of all that excessive padding<br> <br>Please, be careful about this one. I am a graphic designer, and have taught graphic design, and what you call "padding" is one of the things that GNOME does right. Making it adjustable is fine, but most FOSS and FOSS-related websites are ridiculed by designer-types for exactly the reason that they ignore the principle of white space.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Get rid of all that excessive padding Please , be careful about this one .
I am a graphic designer , and have taught graphic design , and what you call " padding " is one of the things that GNOME does right .
Making it adjustable is fine , but most FOSS and FOSS-related websites are ridiculed by designer-types for exactly the reason that they ignore the principle of white space .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;Get rid of all that excessive padding Please, be careful about this one.
I am a graphic designer, and have taught graphic design, and what you call "padding" is one of the things that GNOME does right.
Making it adjustable is fine, but most FOSS and FOSS-related websites are ridiculed by designer-types for exactly the reason that they ignore the principle of white space.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28673923</id>
	<title>Gnome 3 in LTS</title>
	<author>ultrabot</author>
	<datestamp>1247482320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TFA:</p><p><i>Not sure if GNOME3 will make the next LTS</i></p><p>Interestingly, Shuttleworth didn't indicate in any way that Gnome 3 could have even a remote shot at getting into the LTS. Luckily, putting it in just after the release would be a suicide move.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA : Not sure if GNOME3 will make the next LTSInterestingly , Shuttleworth did n't indicate in any way that Gnome 3 could have even a remote shot at getting into the LTS .
Luckily , putting it in just after the release would be a suicide move .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TFA:Not sure if GNOME3 will make the next LTSInterestingly, Shuttleworth didn't indicate in any way that Gnome 3 could have even a remote shot at getting into the LTS.
Luckily, putting it in just after the release would be a suicide move.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28674067</id>
	<title>mod parent up</title>
	<author>A12m0v</author>
	<datestamp>1247484660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>GNOME and KDE are clusterfucks, this is why I use Fluxbox. Fluxbox is much less of a clusterfuck by being much less of DE. It is a real shame that the UNIX world standardized on X and now they seem to be standardizing on GNOME.</p><p>Also Pulse Audio is a pile of shit that doesn't work!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>GNOME and KDE are clusterfucks , this is why I use Fluxbox .
Fluxbox is much less of a clusterfuck by being much less of DE .
It is a real shame that the UNIX world standardized on X and now they seem to be standardizing on GNOME.Also Pulse Audio is a pile of shit that does n't work !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>GNOME and KDE are clusterfucks, this is why I use Fluxbox.
Fluxbox is much less of a clusterfuck by being much less of DE.
It is a real shame that the UNIX world standardized on X and now they seem to be standardizing on GNOME.Also Pulse Audio is a pile of shit that doesn't work!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28673981</id>
	<title>Gnome 3.0</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247483280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well... I for one look forward to Gnome 3.0 with just the same fondness that<br>I now look back to that spatial file management episode they had a while back.</p><p>Clearly, when these gentlemen of the Gnome Foundation advocate<br>sweeping user interface changes, they for sure know what the user wants.</p><p>And having all the support of Mark, they don't have to just restrain themselves to<br>what users want, they can actually afford to know better than them. Zooming out<br>of the desktop with an OpenGL effect every time you want to run an application<br>is just what the doctor ordered...</p><p>I just can't wait for Ubuntu to embrace it ASAP.</p><p>I admire spectacular failures.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well... I for one look forward to Gnome 3.0 with just the same fondness thatI now look back to that spatial file management episode they had a while back.Clearly , when these gentlemen of the Gnome Foundation advocatesweeping user interface changes , they for sure know what the user wants.And having all the support of Mark , they do n't have to just restrain themselves towhat users want , they can actually afford to know better than them .
Zooming outof the desktop with an OpenGL effect every time you want to run an applicationis just what the doctor ordered...I just ca n't wait for Ubuntu to embrace it ASAP.I admire spectacular failures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well... I for one look forward to Gnome 3.0 with just the same fondness thatI now look back to that spatial file management episode they had a while back.Clearly, when these gentlemen of the Gnome Foundation advocatesweeping user interface changes, they for sure know what the user wants.And having all the support of Mark, they don't have to just restrain themselves towhat users want, they can actually afford to know better than them.
Zooming outof the desktop with an OpenGL effect every time you want to run an applicationis just what the doctor ordered...I just can't wait for Ubuntu to embrace it ASAP.I admire spectacular failures.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28673895</id>
	<title>Re:Not the KDE4 way, plase</title>
	<author>TheTurtlesMoves</author>
	<datestamp>1247482080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well I am using kde 4.2 now on just one of my machine and its awesome. It is so snappy and uses far less resources than kde 3.5 which i use on the other machine. But still not as lightweight as iceWM that i use on yet the other machine. In fact once the new slackware comes out I will probably switch all machines over to kde 4.2.
<br> <br>
What went wrong was that distro put in the new version far too early.
<br> <br>
I have never really liked gnome... It always seems to consume the ram like a windows desktop...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well I am using kde 4.2 now on just one of my machine and its awesome .
It is so snappy and uses far less resources than kde 3.5 which i use on the other machine .
But still not as lightweight as iceWM that i use on yet the other machine .
In fact once the new slackware comes out I will probably switch all machines over to kde 4.2 .
What went wrong was that distro put in the new version far too early .
I have never really liked gnome... It always seems to consume the ram like a windows desktop.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well I am using kde 4.2 now on just one of my machine and its awesome.
It is so snappy and uses far less resources than kde 3.5 which i use on the other machine.
But still not as lightweight as iceWM that i use on yet the other machine.
In fact once the new slackware comes out I will probably switch all machines over to kde 4.2.
What went wrong was that distro put in the new version far too early.
I have never really liked gnome... It always seems to consume the ram like a windows desktop...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28685567</id>
	<title>Re:Not the KDE4 way, plase</title>
	<author>Bambi Dee</author>
	<datestamp>1247498940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think KDE 4 is coming along nicely now. I do still have some problems, though:
<br> <br>
Konqueror: (1) Ctrl-C doesn't copy the selected text; I <em>have</em> to use the context menu. This only seems to affect pages in frames. (2) Websites seem to use the KDE-wide "View Background" colour as the default background: this can lead to black text on a dark/black background. Decoupling the default website background colour and the View Background colour would help.
<br> <br>
Application launcher (classic, not Kickoff), "Computer" submenu: (1) displays storage media along with Places under "Places", not under "Removable Storage" (which displays the Places instead). (2) Both types of misplaced entry are dead to mouse clicks.
<br> <br>
Kate: (1) I don't think the "Open Recent" list is working properly. (2) Sometimes cursor colour = background colour, especially (exclusively?) after (highlighted?) braces and after search or replace operations (which may also highlight text... hm).
<br> <br>
KRunner/Quicksand: In the "Task oriented" interface mode, results are displayed in black no matter the background colour.
<br> <br>
Windows List widget: Right-clicking an entry and picking "Move" or "Resize" just teleports the pointer over to the respective window without going into move/resize mode. It works fine via the taskbar.
<br> <br>
PowerDevil: DPMS settings don't seem to take effect. Can use separate Display control, though. (Haven't tested this on 4.3 RC2 yet.)
<br> <br>
Kwin cube: With "hovering windows" activated, panels sometimes poke through or overlap windows on rotate.
<br> <br>
kded4: Sometimes this process jumps to about 50\% CPU and stays there until I kill it. (May have been fixed with the recent upgrade to 4.3 RC2, bit early to tell.)
<br> <br>
KNode: It seems the article composer has its own hardwired colour scheme, at least for quoted text? That green isn't easy to read on a dark background. I can't figure out where (or how) to change it.
<br> <br>
Kwin cube/pager widget: Unbug. On switching desktops (but not on manual rotate), the cube seems to try to adapt its layout to the pager's own 2D world. With a multi-row pager this can lead to cube folding in on itself (though you're perfectly safe if you don't think about it).
<br> <br>
Switching desktops: This is not a bug, either, but isn't there a way to turn off the huge you've-just-switched-desktops "OSD" that pops up every time? It tends to blot out part of the app I want to see instead.
<br> <br>
Panels: This is not <em>necessarily</em> a bug, but panels don't always seem to shrink or expand with the contents (say, a growing task bar).
<br> <br>
Desktop: This is not a bug, but I really wish I could pop up a launcher menu with a middle click AND a window list with a right click AND use the wheel to switch desktops. All at the same time, too. As it is I can either have just the window list or just the desktop switching (although the paste-into-sticky-note thing is spiffy, too, I'll admit that).
<br> <br>
"Add Widgets" list and Adept: Couldn't the widgets/packages be sorted in some manner? (Alphabetically?)
<br> <br>
Desktop Theme Details control panel: Mixing &amp; matching bits of different themes just doesn't seem to work for me. I don't know if this is a bug. Also, I wish the translucent bits could be made a little less translucent. Things can get hard to read, what with everything else shining through.
<br> <br>
There's probably more. It's nothing terribly dramatic, just a little awkward at times. I've also noticed many bug<em>fixes</em> over the past upgrades from 4.early to 4.3 RC2. And nothing got <em>worse</em> *g*</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think KDE 4 is coming along nicely now .
I do still have some problems , though : Konqueror : ( 1 ) Ctrl-C does n't copy the selected text ; I have to use the context menu .
This only seems to affect pages in frames .
( 2 ) Websites seem to use the KDE-wide " View Background " colour as the default background : this can lead to black text on a dark/black background .
Decoupling the default website background colour and the View Background colour would help .
Application launcher ( classic , not Kickoff ) , " Computer " submenu : ( 1 ) displays storage media along with Places under " Places " , not under " Removable Storage " ( which displays the Places instead ) .
( 2 ) Both types of misplaced entry are dead to mouse clicks .
Kate : ( 1 ) I do n't think the " Open Recent " list is working properly .
( 2 ) Sometimes cursor colour = background colour , especially ( exclusively ?
) after ( highlighted ?
) braces and after search or replace operations ( which may also highlight text... hm ) . KRunner/Quicksand : In the " Task oriented " interface mode , results are displayed in black no matter the background colour .
Windows List widget : Right-clicking an entry and picking " Move " or " Resize " just teleports the pointer over to the respective window without going into move/resize mode .
It works fine via the taskbar .
PowerDevil : DPMS settings do n't seem to take effect .
Can use separate Display control , though .
( Have n't tested this on 4.3 RC2 yet .
) Kwin cube : With " hovering windows " activated , panels sometimes poke through or overlap windows on rotate .
kded4 : Sometimes this process jumps to about 50 \ % CPU and stays there until I kill it .
( May have been fixed with the recent upgrade to 4.3 RC2 , bit early to tell .
) KNode : It seems the article composer has its own hardwired colour scheme , at least for quoted text ?
That green is n't easy to read on a dark background .
I ca n't figure out where ( or how ) to change it .
Kwin cube/pager widget : Unbug .
On switching desktops ( but not on manual rotate ) , the cube seems to try to adapt its layout to the pager 's own 2D world .
With a multi-row pager this can lead to cube folding in on itself ( though you 're perfectly safe if you do n't think about it ) .
Switching desktops : This is not a bug , either , but is n't there a way to turn off the huge you 've-just-switched-desktops " OSD " that pops up every time ?
It tends to blot out part of the app I want to see instead .
Panels : This is not necessarily a bug , but panels do n't always seem to shrink or expand with the contents ( say , a growing task bar ) .
Desktop : This is not a bug , but I really wish I could pop up a launcher menu with a middle click AND a window list with a right click AND use the wheel to switch desktops .
All at the same time , too .
As it is I can either have just the window list or just the desktop switching ( although the paste-into-sticky-note thing is spiffy , too , I 'll admit that ) .
" Add Widgets " list and Adept : Could n't the widgets/packages be sorted in some manner ?
( Alphabetically ? ) Desktop Theme Details control panel : Mixing &amp; matching bits of different themes just does n't seem to work for me .
I do n't know if this is a bug .
Also , I wish the translucent bits could be made a little less translucent .
Things can get hard to read , what with everything else shining through .
There 's probably more .
It 's nothing terribly dramatic , just a little awkward at times .
I 've also noticed many bugfixes over the past upgrades from 4.early to 4.3 RC2 .
And nothing got worse * g *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think KDE 4 is coming along nicely now.
I do still have some problems, though:
 
Konqueror: (1) Ctrl-C doesn't copy the selected text; I have to use the context menu.
This only seems to affect pages in frames.
(2) Websites seem to use the KDE-wide "View Background" colour as the default background: this can lead to black text on a dark/black background.
Decoupling the default website background colour and the View Background colour would help.
Application launcher (classic, not Kickoff), "Computer" submenu: (1) displays storage media along with Places under "Places", not under "Removable Storage" (which displays the Places instead).
(2) Both types of misplaced entry are dead to mouse clicks.
Kate: (1) I don't think the "Open Recent" list is working properly.
(2) Sometimes cursor colour = background colour, especially (exclusively?
) after (highlighted?
) braces and after search or replace operations (which may also highlight text... hm).
 
KRunner/Quicksand: In the "Task oriented" interface mode, results are displayed in black no matter the background colour.
Windows List widget: Right-clicking an entry and picking "Move" or "Resize" just teleports the pointer over to the respective window without going into move/resize mode.
It works fine via the taskbar.
PowerDevil: DPMS settings don't seem to take effect.
Can use separate Display control, though.
(Haven't tested this on 4.3 RC2 yet.
)
 
Kwin cube: With "hovering windows" activated, panels sometimes poke through or overlap windows on rotate.
kded4: Sometimes this process jumps to about 50\% CPU and stays there until I kill it.
(May have been fixed with the recent upgrade to 4.3 RC2, bit early to tell.
)
 
KNode: It seems the article composer has its own hardwired colour scheme, at least for quoted text?
That green isn't easy to read on a dark background.
I can't figure out where (or how) to change it.
Kwin cube/pager widget: Unbug.
On switching desktops (but not on manual rotate), the cube seems to try to adapt its layout to the pager's own 2D world.
With a multi-row pager this can lead to cube folding in on itself (though you're perfectly safe if you don't think about it).
Switching desktops: This is not a bug, either, but isn't there a way to turn off the huge you've-just-switched-desktops "OSD" that pops up every time?
It tends to blot out part of the app I want to see instead.
Panels: This is not necessarily a bug, but panels don't always seem to shrink or expand with the contents (say, a growing task bar).
Desktop: This is not a bug, but I really wish I could pop up a launcher menu with a middle click AND a window list with a right click AND use the wheel to switch desktops.
All at the same time, too.
As it is I can either have just the window list or just the desktop switching (although the paste-into-sticky-note thing is spiffy, too, I'll admit that).
"Add Widgets" list and Adept: Couldn't the widgets/packages be sorted in some manner?
(Alphabetically?)
 
Desktop Theme Details control panel: Mixing &amp; matching bits of different themes just doesn't seem to work for me.
I don't know if this is a bug.
Also, I wish the translucent bits could be made a little less translucent.
Things can get hard to read, what with everything else shining through.
There's probably more.
It's nothing terribly dramatic, just a little awkward at times.
I've also noticed many bugfixes over the past upgrades from 4.early to 4.3 RC2.
And nothing got worse *g*</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28673761</id>
	<title>Not the KDE4 way, plase</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247480160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I only hope they will follow a different path than KDE team.<br>
They rushed to release 4.0 and since then I'm still struggling to have all the features I used to have in KDE v3.5.<br>
And, more important, I hope that Ubuntu people won't trash GNOME v2 from night to day like they did with KDE v3.5.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I only hope they will follow a different path than KDE team .
They rushed to release 4.0 and since then I 'm still struggling to have all the features I used to have in KDE v3.5 .
And , more important , I hope that Ubuntu people wo n't trash GNOME v2 from night to day like they did with KDE v3.5 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I only hope they will follow a different path than KDE team.
They rushed to release 4.0 and since then I'm still struggling to have all the features I used to have in KDE v3.5.
And, more important, I hope that Ubuntu people won't trash GNOME v2 from night to day like they did with KDE v3.5.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28674211</id>
	<title>Re:Don't include Gnome 3 in the next LTS</title>
	<author>FrostDust</author>
	<datestamp>1247486220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Beyond stability, also consider the category of the release, "<b>Long-Term</b> Support." Not nessicarily "most stable," but "most usable for the next five years," is what is being prioritized.<br>If you remember back to last year, there was debate over whether it was right to put Firefox 3 Alpha in the 8.04 LTS. The few holdouts still using Firefox 2 seem to mostly be people who dislike the awesome bar; even Mozilla's dropped support for Firefox 2 last year. Imagine if Canonical had kept with the "more stable" version of Firefox, they'd have to support FF 2 until 2013.<br>While stability is important in an LTS, it is also foward-looking, trying to predict the future of open-source software a few years down the road.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Beyond stability , also consider the category of the release , " Long-Term Support .
" Not nessicarily " most stable , " but " most usable for the next five years , " is what is being prioritized.If you remember back to last year , there was debate over whether it was right to put Firefox 3 Alpha in the 8.04 LTS .
The few holdouts still using Firefox 2 seem to mostly be people who dislike the awesome bar ; even Mozilla 's dropped support for Firefox 2 last year .
Imagine if Canonical had kept with the " more stable " version of Firefox , they 'd have to support FF 2 until 2013.While stability is important in an LTS , it is also foward-looking , trying to predict the future of open-source software a few years down the road .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Beyond stability, also consider the category of the release, "Long-Term Support.
" Not nessicarily "most stable," but "most usable for the next five years," is what is being prioritized.If you remember back to last year, there was debate over whether it was right to put Firefox 3 Alpha in the 8.04 LTS.
The few holdouts still using Firefox 2 seem to mostly be people who dislike the awesome bar; even Mozilla's dropped support for Firefox 2 last year.
Imagine if Canonical had kept with the "more stable" version of Firefox, they'd have to support FF 2 until 2013.While stability is important in an LTS, it is also foward-looking, trying to predict the future of open-source software a few years down the road.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28673809</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28673661</id>
	<title>The only thing I got out of TFA...</title>
	<author>fractoid</author>
	<datestamp>1247479140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only things I really got out of reading TFA were "We have a release coming up" and "Files and folders confuse people". Oh, and "Jaunty was broken but it was Intel's fault and they fixed it." And "Kubuntu will have the same release schedule" which isn't really about Gnome.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only things I really got out of reading TFA were " We have a release coming up " and " Files and folders confuse people " .
Oh , and " Jaunty was broken but it was Intel 's fault and they fixed it .
" And " Kubuntu will have the same release schedule " which is n't really about Gnome .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only things I really got out of reading TFA were "We have a release coming up" and "Files and folders confuse people".
Oh, and "Jaunty was broken but it was Intel's fault and they fixed it.
" And "Kubuntu will have the same release schedule" which isn't really about Gnome.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28681173</id>
	<title>Re:Not the KDE4 way, plase</title>
	<author>gbarules2999</author>
	<datestamp>1247516880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps I'm just using the wrong distros. KDE 4.2 had fairly mediocre performance for me, on my 4 GB of RAM and Core 2 Duo. Whose implementation are you using?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps I 'm just using the wrong distros .
KDE 4.2 had fairly mediocre performance for me , on my 4 GB of RAM and Core 2 Duo .
Whose implementation are you using ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps I'm just using the wrong distros.
KDE 4.2 had fairly mediocre performance for me, on my 4 GB of RAM and Core 2 Duo.
Whose implementation are you using?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28673895</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28674191</id>
	<title>GNOME 3.0 sneak preview</title>
	<author>a09bdb811a</author>
	<datestamp>1247486040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You login, which you don't actually have to do anymore because it was too complicated, and you're presented with a fullscreen dialog box that says:</p><p>"You are too fucking stupid to use this computer. You don't understand files and folders and things. Click OK to shutdown your computer. Your computer will shutdown in 28 seconds anyway, because you're probably too stupid to work the mouse. That's the thing underneath your hand. What? That's the thing attached to your arm. Ah, fuck it. 20 seconds."</p><p>That's pretty much the entire GNOME 3.0 experience. The dialog box has been in development for the last 18 months, but obviously there's still a lot of usability testing left to do, mostly by Redhat and Canonical "engineers". The OK button logic was originally written in C but they've redone that in C# running on Mono, and Miguel de Icaza is already calling the work "superb".</p><p>Meanwhile, the KDE people have been busy readying the next batch of widgets that you will never add to your exciting K desktop experience.</p><p>Future plans for GNOME involve reducing the 3.0 dialog box down to a single pixel, then translating the status of that pixel into the power LED on your computer. This will remove the need for a display, further simplying the desktop experience and reducing enterprise costs. KDE plans to turn its entire desktop into a widget of itself, allowing you to remove it entirely with a single right-click.</p><p>Yes, my friends: the future of the Linux desktop is no more fucking Linux desktop. What a relief.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You login , which you do n't actually have to do anymore because it was too complicated , and you 're presented with a fullscreen dialog box that says : " You are too fucking stupid to use this computer .
You do n't understand files and folders and things .
Click OK to shutdown your computer .
Your computer will shutdown in 28 seconds anyway , because you 're probably too stupid to work the mouse .
That 's the thing underneath your hand .
What ? That 's the thing attached to your arm .
Ah , fuck it .
20 seconds .
" That 's pretty much the entire GNOME 3.0 experience .
The dialog box has been in development for the last 18 months , but obviously there 's still a lot of usability testing left to do , mostly by Redhat and Canonical " engineers " .
The OK button logic was originally written in C but they 've redone that in C # running on Mono , and Miguel de Icaza is already calling the work " superb " .Meanwhile , the KDE people have been busy readying the next batch of widgets that you will never add to your exciting K desktop experience.Future plans for GNOME involve reducing the 3.0 dialog box down to a single pixel , then translating the status of that pixel into the power LED on your computer .
This will remove the need for a display , further simplying the desktop experience and reducing enterprise costs .
KDE plans to turn its entire desktop into a widget of itself , allowing you to remove it entirely with a single right-click.Yes , my friends : the future of the Linux desktop is no more fucking Linux desktop .
What a relief .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You login, which you don't actually have to do anymore because it was too complicated, and you're presented with a fullscreen dialog box that says:"You are too fucking stupid to use this computer.
You don't understand files and folders and things.
Click OK to shutdown your computer.
Your computer will shutdown in 28 seconds anyway, because you're probably too stupid to work the mouse.
That's the thing underneath your hand.
What? That's the thing attached to your arm.
Ah, fuck it.
20 seconds.
"That's pretty much the entire GNOME 3.0 experience.
The dialog box has been in development for the last 18 months, but obviously there's still a lot of usability testing left to do, mostly by Redhat and Canonical "engineers".
The OK button logic was originally written in C but they've redone that in C# running on Mono, and Miguel de Icaza is already calling the work "superb".Meanwhile, the KDE people have been busy readying the next batch of widgets that you will never add to your exciting K desktop experience.Future plans for GNOME involve reducing the 3.0 dialog box down to a single pixel, then translating the status of that pixel into the power LED on your computer.
This will remove the need for a display, further simplying the desktop experience and reducing enterprise costs.
KDE plans to turn its entire desktop into a widget of itself, allowing you to remove it entirely with a single right-click.Yes, my friends: the future of the Linux desktop is no more fucking Linux desktop.
What a relief.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28683339</id>
	<title>Re:Don't include Gnome 3 in the next LTS</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247482620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>RTFA. Shuttleworth talks about possibly delaying LTS so all the upstream projects it wants to include are polished properly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>RTFA .
Shuttleworth talks about possibly delaying LTS so all the upstream projects it wants to include are polished properly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>RTFA.
Shuttleworth talks about possibly delaying LTS so all the upstream projects it wants to include are polished properly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28673809</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28674181</id>
	<title>Gnome 3.0?</title>
	<author>segedunum</author>
	<datestamp>1247485860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>As far as I know Gnome 3.x, and GTK3.x that it should be built on, are complete vapourware. I don't know why Shuttleworth is being asked about them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As far as I know Gnome 3.x , and GTK3.x that it should be built on , are complete vapourware .
I do n't know why Shuttleworth is being asked about them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As far as I know Gnome 3.x, and GTK3.x that it should be built on, are complete vapourware.
I don't know why Shuttleworth is being asked about them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28673809</id>
	<title>Don't include Gnome 3 in the next LTS</title>
	<author>RotateLeftByte</author>
	<datestamp>1247480880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not a Ubuntu advocate (more of a Fedora/RHEL person really) but if the well documented problems with KDE 4 are anything to go by then including Gnome 3 in the next LTS release of Ubuntu would be IMHO a big mistake.<br>An LTS release deserves to be of the highest quality from Day 1. To me it would be madness to base an LTS release on anything Gnome 3.0.<br>IMHO an Ubuntu LTS release whould be the desktop equivalent to RHEL or SLED in terms of stability. If it is not then you have shot yourselves in the foot. If this means being conservative in package selection then so be it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not a Ubuntu advocate ( more of a Fedora/RHEL person really ) but if the well documented problems with KDE 4 are anything to go by then including Gnome 3 in the next LTS release of Ubuntu would be IMHO a big mistake.An LTS release deserves to be of the highest quality from Day 1 .
To me it would be madness to base an LTS release on anything Gnome 3.0.IMHO an Ubuntu LTS release whould be the desktop equivalent to RHEL or SLED in terms of stability .
If it is not then you have shot yourselves in the foot .
If this means being conservative in package selection then so be it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not a Ubuntu advocate (more of a Fedora/RHEL person really) but if the well documented problems with KDE 4 are anything to go by then including Gnome 3 in the next LTS release of Ubuntu would be IMHO a big mistake.An LTS release deserves to be of the highest quality from Day 1.
To me it would be madness to base an LTS release on anything Gnome 3.0.IMHO an Ubuntu LTS release whould be the desktop equivalent to RHEL or SLED in terms of stability.
If it is not then you have shot yourselves in the foot.
If this means being conservative in package selection then so be it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28683393</id>
	<title>Icon hit-boxes</title>
	<author>WML MUNSON</author>
	<datestamp>1247482800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Will I be able to stop having to explain to my users what a 'hit-box' is when their drag-and-drop attempts result in two icons piled on top of each-other on the desktop?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Will I be able to stop having to explain to my users what a 'hit-box ' is when their drag-and-drop attempts result in two icons piled on top of each-other on the desktop ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will I be able to stop having to explain to my users what a 'hit-box' is when their drag-and-drop attempts result in two icons piled on top of each-other on the desktop?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28673807</id>
	<title>Where is my stuff?</title>
	<author>digipres</author>
	<datestamp>1247480880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The "where is my stuff?" problem is not trivial. My work desktop is an Ubuntu installation where I do my actual work with Windows XP running in Virtualbox to let me get to corporate legacy things (like my email). At home I have a Linux desktop main machine. I carry around a Linux netbook and an Android phone. There are a handful of servers lurking in datacentres around the world on which I have shell accounts and on which I have some of my 'stuff'. I have code hosted in various places.


My stuff is diverse. It's photos, blog posts, documents, music, videos, administrivia, code, email etc.


I have no idea just 'where' all of my stuff is.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The " where is my stuff ?
" problem is not trivial .
My work desktop is an Ubuntu installation where I do my actual work with Windows XP running in Virtualbox to let me get to corporate legacy things ( like my email ) .
At home I have a Linux desktop main machine .
I carry around a Linux netbook and an Android phone .
There are a handful of servers lurking in datacentres around the world on which I have shell accounts and on which I have some of my 'stuff' .
I have code hosted in various places .
My stuff is diverse .
It 's photos , blog posts , documents , music , videos , administrivia , code , email etc .
I have no idea just 'where ' all of my stuff is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "where is my stuff?
" problem is not trivial.
My work desktop is an Ubuntu installation where I do my actual work with Windows XP running in Virtualbox to let me get to corporate legacy things (like my email).
At home I have a Linux desktop main machine.
I carry around a Linux netbook and an Android phone.
There are a handful of servers lurking in datacentres around the world on which I have shell accounts and on which I have some of my 'stuff'.
I have code hosted in various places.
My stuff is diverse.
It's photos, blog posts, documents, music, videos, administrivia, code, email etc.
I have no idea just 'where' all of my stuff is.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28674743</id>
	<title>Gnome is hopeless with leaders like this</title>
	<author>nostriluu</author>
	<datestamp>1247491680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><tt>It starts with calling design "art."&nbsp; Art is what you find in the Louvre, not the consistency of visual messaging on the desktop. Every once in a while they decide they're going to reinvent how desktops work. Well, we've all been dealing with their half baked reinventions for a long time. Things that mostly work but have strange bugs preventing you from doing essential stuff. Incomplete components, like the horrible default music players and photo viewers (you can't even view pictures by date). Companies like Apple and even Microsoft do a much better job of at least pushing out products that have all the essential features, and if they have some brilliant new idea it's there in full. I hate to say it, but these guys should stick to copying. Religiously copy the best features and low level functioning of Windows and Mac OS, including the best ideas of Linux predecessors. Because sticking to good designs is a much better choice for the end user, and when your brilliant journal mode break down, nobody wants to go into a creaky half functioning file browser. If they could really get the basic ideas, they might even be able to take them farther sometimes. But I'm not holding my breath.</tt></htmltext>
<tokenext>It starts with calling design " art .
"   Art is what you find in the Louvre , not the consistency of visual messaging on the desktop .
Every once in a while they decide they 're going to reinvent how desktops work .
Well , we 've all been dealing with their half baked reinventions for a long time .
Things that mostly work but have strange bugs preventing you from doing essential stuff .
Incomplete components , like the horrible default music players and photo viewers ( you ca n't even view pictures by date ) .
Companies like Apple and even Microsoft do a much better job of at least pushing out products that have all the essential features , and if they have some brilliant new idea it 's there in full .
I hate to say it , but these guys should stick to copying .
Religiously copy the best features and low level functioning of Windows and Mac OS , including the best ideas of Linux predecessors .
Because sticking to good designs is a much better choice for the end user , and when your brilliant journal mode break down , nobody wants to go into a creaky half functioning file browser .
If they could really get the basic ideas , they might even be able to take them farther sometimes .
But I 'm not holding my breath .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It starts with calling design "art.
"  Art is what you find in the Louvre, not the consistency of visual messaging on the desktop.
Every once in a while they decide they're going to reinvent how desktops work.
Well, we've all been dealing with their half baked reinventions for a long time.
Things that mostly work but have strange bugs preventing you from doing essential stuff.
Incomplete components, like the horrible default music players and photo viewers (you can't even view pictures by date).
Companies like Apple and even Microsoft do a much better job of at least pushing out products that have all the essential features, and if they have some brilliant new idea it's there in full.
I hate to say it, but these guys should stick to copying.
Religiously copy the best features and low level functioning of Windows and Mac OS, including the best ideas of Linux predecessors.
Because sticking to good designs is a much better choice for the end user, and when your brilliant journal mode break down, nobody wants to go into a creaky half functioning file browser.
If they could really get the basic ideas, they might even be able to take them farther sometimes.
But I'm not holding my breath.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28678429</id>
	<title>Re:Yay! Fixing 100 Paper Cuts!</title>
	<author>TheModelEskimo</author>
	<datestamp>1247507100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I submitted an annoying, but not critical, bug to 100 papercuts and someone submitted a fix within 12 hours. Within another week all the upstream/admin stuff was sorted and the fix was ready to go. Pretty amazing - I hope they do this again in the future. Seems like the Ubuntu team have a talent for shrugging off whatever problems critics attach to them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I submitted an annoying , but not critical , bug to 100 papercuts and someone submitted a fix within 12 hours .
Within another week all the upstream/admin stuff was sorted and the fix was ready to go .
Pretty amazing - I hope they do this again in the future .
Seems like the Ubuntu team have a talent for shrugging off whatever problems critics attach to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I submitted an annoying, but not critical, bug to 100 papercuts and someone submitted a fix within 12 hours.
Within another week all the upstream/admin stuff was sorted and the fix was ready to go.
Pretty amazing - I hope they do this again in the future.
Seems like the Ubuntu team have a talent for shrugging off whatever problems critics attach to them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28674801</id>
	<title>don't laugh at the 18 month file dialog project</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247492220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you actually went through, every little single thing the file dialog in Windows 7 does, it might actually take 18 months to replicate all of that functionality, especially if it was in C.</p><p>But be that as it may, if Gnome decides to go and give me a bunch of b.s. about metaphorical problems and then ultimately clone the Windows 7 dialog but with some twist to make it somehow different, then, honestly, it would be an improvement over what they have now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you actually went through , every little single thing the file dialog in Windows 7 does , it might actually take 18 months to replicate all of that functionality , especially if it was in C.But be that as it may , if Gnome decides to go and give me a bunch of b.s .
about metaphorical problems and then ultimately clone the Windows 7 dialog but with some twist to make it somehow different , then , honestly , it would be an improvement over what they have now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you actually went through, every little single thing the file dialog in Windows 7 does, it might actually take 18 months to replicate all of that functionality, especially if it was in C.But be that as it may, if Gnome decides to go and give me a bunch of b.s.
about metaphorical problems and then ultimately clone the Windows 7 dialog but with some twist to make it somehow different, then, honestly, it would be an improvement over what they have now.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28674207</id>
	<title>Re:GTK</title>
	<author>qupada</author>
	<datestamp>1247486160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>People who modded this troll really need to stop and think about it - parent is just about spot on.  The look and feel of the vast majority of GTK apps is frankly awful.<blockquote><div><p>Some consistency in menuitem dimensions would be nice.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Now admittedly maybe this only manifests when you're using small interface fonts (I'm using 7pt here, for reference).  Taking GIMP's menus as an example, menu items with images are significantly larger than ones without - a full 25\% larger (20 vs 16 px).  I don't have a huge number of gtk apps on my system to check this in, but inkscape and wireshark seem to have the same issue.

</p><blockquote><div><p>Fix the damn file picker.</p></div></blockquote><p>
This is a pet peeve of mine too.  Bearing a striking resemblance to one I remember from Apple Mac systems pre colour monitors, the current design of the filepicker was in no way an improvement.<br>
For some reason or another the "location" text field is hidden by default (and even when shown, is oddly not populated by default with the path to the current directory).  What could have been useful breadcrumb-style navigation buttons were added, except all but the one representing the current directory is hidden until you click a different button (this is despite there being the entire width of the file picker for them to fill).  The lack of switchable view modes in the file listing is mystifying, it seems to display "thumbnails" of images when browsing, but it doesn't seem to be possible to make those thumbnails any bigger than 16x16px.

</p><blockquote><div><p>That non-optional minimize effect is cringe worthy.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Also the effect that draws big bold black rectangles on your screen to indicate the borders of hidden windows while alt-tabbing.  Something regrettably KDE copied.  I don't need this, if I wanted to waste my time with annoying and ultimately useless visual effects I'd install compiz.

</p><p>
In reality, once it has become difficult or event impossible to make the system behave in a manner conducive to it actually being useful for anything, it's time to look elsewhere.  As I often have to remind people, just because they are happy with the default settings doesn't mean everyone will be.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>People who modded this troll really need to stop and think about it - parent is just about spot on .
The look and feel of the vast majority of GTK apps is frankly awful.Some consistency in menuitem dimensions would be nice .
Now admittedly maybe this only manifests when you 're using small interface fonts ( I 'm using 7pt here , for reference ) .
Taking GIMP 's menus as an example , menu items with images are significantly larger than ones without - a full 25 \ % larger ( 20 vs 16 px ) .
I do n't have a huge number of gtk apps on my system to check this in , but inkscape and wireshark seem to have the same issue .
Fix the damn file picker .
This is a pet peeve of mine too .
Bearing a striking resemblance to one I remember from Apple Mac systems pre colour monitors , the current design of the filepicker was in no way an improvement .
For some reason or another the " location " text field is hidden by default ( and even when shown , is oddly not populated by default with the path to the current directory ) .
What could have been useful breadcrumb-style navigation buttons were added , except all but the one representing the current directory is hidden until you click a different button ( this is despite there being the entire width of the file picker for them to fill ) .
The lack of switchable view modes in the file listing is mystifying , it seems to display " thumbnails " of images when browsing , but it does n't seem to be possible to make those thumbnails any bigger than 16x16px .
That non-optional minimize effect is cringe worthy .
Also the effect that draws big bold black rectangles on your screen to indicate the borders of hidden windows while alt-tabbing .
Something regrettably KDE copied .
I do n't need this , if I wanted to waste my time with annoying and ultimately useless visual effects I 'd install compiz .
In reality , once it has become difficult or event impossible to make the system behave in a manner conducive to it actually being useful for anything , it 's time to look elsewhere .
As I often have to remind people , just because they are happy with the default settings does n't mean everyone will be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People who modded this troll really need to stop and think about it - parent is just about spot on.
The look and feel of the vast majority of GTK apps is frankly awful.Some consistency in menuitem dimensions would be nice.
Now admittedly maybe this only manifests when you're using small interface fonts (I'm using 7pt here, for reference).
Taking GIMP's menus as an example, menu items with images are significantly larger than ones without - a full 25\% larger (20 vs 16 px).
I don't have a huge number of gtk apps on my system to check this in, but inkscape and wireshark seem to have the same issue.
Fix the damn file picker.
This is a pet peeve of mine too.
Bearing a striking resemblance to one I remember from Apple Mac systems pre colour monitors, the current design of the filepicker was in no way an improvement.
For some reason or another the "location" text field is hidden by default (and even when shown, is oddly not populated by default with the path to the current directory).
What could have been useful breadcrumb-style navigation buttons were added, except all but the one representing the current directory is hidden until you click a different button (this is despite there being the entire width of the file picker for them to fill).
The lack of switchable view modes in the file listing is mystifying, it seems to display "thumbnails" of images when browsing, but it doesn't seem to be possible to make those thumbnails any bigger than 16x16px.
That non-optional minimize effect is cringe worthy.
Also the effect that draws big bold black rectangles on your screen to indicate the borders of hidden windows while alt-tabbing.
Something regrettably KDE copied.
I don't need this, if I wanted to waste my time with annoying and ultimately useless visual effects I'd install compiz.
In reality, once it has become difficult or event impossible to make the system behave in a manner conducive to it actually being useful for anything, it's time to look elsewhere.
As I often have to remind people, just because they are happy with the default settings doesn't mean everyone will be.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28699885</id>
	<title>Re:Yay! Fixing 100 Paper Cuts!</title>
	<author>artson</author>
	<datestamp>1247590740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"Just fixing more and more of the tiny annoyances is what creates a well-rounded desktop."</p></div><p>So every year there is the plaintive hope that finally, this year, linux will capture a decent share of the desktop market. Every year most of the distros and notably Ubuntu, totally ignore the dial-up portion of their potential customers. This year, same thing. Their live CD could have included gnome-ppp, to allow potential customers to reach the internet, but it didn't.
</p><p>May they sink without a trace.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Just fixing more and more of the tiny annoyances is what creates a well-rounded desktop .
" So every year there is the plaintive hope that finally , this year , linux will capture a decent share of the desktop market .
Every year most of the distros and notably Ubuntu , totally ignore the dial-up portion of their potential customers .
This year , same thing .
Their live CD could have included gnome-ppp , to allow potential customers to reach the internet , but it did n't .
May they sink without a trace .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Just fixing more and more of the tiny annoyances is what creates a well-rounded desktop.
"So every year there is the plaintive hope that finally, this year, linux will capture a decent share of the desktop market.
Every year most of the distros and notably Ubuntu, totally ignore the dial-up portion of their potential customers.
This year, same thing.
Their live CD could have included gnome-ppp, to allow potential customers to reach the internet, but it didn't.
May they sink without a trace.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28682379</id>
	<title>Re:GNOME 3.0 sneak preview</title>
	<author>MadFarmAnimalz</author>
	<datestamp>1247478600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Rarely is <a href="http://sancairodicopenhagen.com/joe/KDE5" title="sancairodicopenhagen.com">this troll</a> [sancairodicopenhagen.com] topical...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Rarely is this troll [ sancairodicopenhagen.com ] topical.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rarely is this troll [sancairodicopenhagen.com] topical...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28673825</id>
	<title>GTK</title>
	<author>Haiyadragon</author>
	<datestamp>1247481000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, GTK+ is due for an overhaul. Fix the damn file picker. Get rid of all that excessive padding, maybe by making it themeable. Some consistency in menuitem dimensions would be nice.</p><p>Also, either give Metacity some features, at least the bare essentials, or switch to another window manager. That non-optional minimize effect is cringe worthy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , GTK + is due for an overhaul .
Fix the damn file picker .
Get rid of all that excessive padding , maybe by making it themeable .
Some consistency in menuitem dimensions would be nice.Also , either give Metacity some features , at least the bare essentials , or switch to another window manager .
That non-optional minimize effect is cringe worthy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, GTK+ is due for an overhaul.
Fix the damn file picker.
Get rid of all that excessive padding, maybe by making it themeable.
Some consistency in menuitem dimensions would be nice.Also, either give Metacity some features, at least the bare essentials, or switch to another window manager.
That non-optional minimize effect is cringe worthy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28674693</id>
	<title>Developers have the most influence over releases</title>
	<author>deadkennedy</author>
	<datestamp>1247491260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not necessarily related to the Ubuntu + Gnome topic, but in TFA, Shuttleworth makes a good point in noting that the developers hold the most sway in terms of release management.  Also, developers aren't necessarily in touch with how their code is functional across all potential systems.  Double-edged sword that I see quite often.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not necessarily related to the Ubuntu + Gnome topic , but in TFA , Shuttleworth makes a good point in noting that the developers hold the most sway in terms of release management .
Also , developers are n't necessarily in touch with how their code is functional across all potential systems .
Double-edged sword that I see quite often .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not necessarily related to the Ubuntu + Gnome topic, but in TFA, Shuttleworth makes a good point in noting that the developers hold the most sway in terms of release management.
Also, developers aren't necessarily in touch with how their code is functional across all potential systems.
Double-edged sword that I see quite often.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28679129</id>
	<title>Gnome Shell</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247509380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does anyone know if this is going to be optional, or is it completely replacing the current design?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone know if this is going to be optional , or is it completely replacing the current design ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone know if this is going to be optional, or is it completely replacing the current design?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28674641</id>
	<title>Delaying the RTS may not be the best idea...</title>
	<author>joaobranco</author>
	<datestamp>1247490960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The idea of delaying the RTS release to 10.10 instead of 10.4 may not be the best one (although I can see the advantages of Ubuntu/Debian release synch).
<p>
The RTS is supported 3 years on the desktop,so if they make the next RTS 10.10, it will mean that the orgs that are running RTS will have just 6 months to upgrade to next RTS before the previous is EOLed. I know most people don't really care about that, but for large deployments, to force that kind of change schedule is not really nice.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The idea of delaying the RTS release to 10.10 instead of 10.4 may not be the best one ( although I can see the advantages of Ubuntu/Debian release synch ) .
The RTS is supported 3 years on the desktop,so if they make the next RTS 10.10 , it will mean that the orgs that are running RTS will have just 6 months to upgrade to next RTS before the previous is EOLed .
I know most people do n't really care about that , but for large deployments , to force that kind of change schedule is not really nice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The idea of delaying the RTS release to 10.10 instead of 10.4 may not be the best one (although I can see the advantages of Ubuntu/Debian release synch).
The RTS is supported 3 years on the desktop,so if they make the next RTS 10.10, it will mean that the orgs that are running RTS will have just 6 months to upgrade to next RTS before the previous is EOLed.
I know most people don't really care about that, but for large deployments, to force that kind of change schedule is not really nice.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28674271</id>
	<title>Re:Not the KDE4 way, plase</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247486880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Gnome 2.0 was just as unusable. They just pretended is was for philosophical reasons.<p>
OSX 10.0 was crap, hell even Microsoft needed 3 years after Vista (with some major architecture changes).</p><p>
It just takes too much time the achieve feature/stability/usability parity with the old system no matter how needed those major under-the-hood changes were.</p><p>
So sorry, Gnome will take the same path as everyone else and sites will rush to declare 3.0 "A Major Disappointment". What you can hope for, though, is that distros won't be so braindead to drop Gnome 2 immediately after the 3.0 release.</p><p>
Honestly, there was a time when distributions were concerned about providing a usable user experience instead of just grabbing all the latest stuff, add their configuration tools and ship that crap. See PulseAudio, great idea, terrible execution on every single fucking distro I've tried.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gnome 2.0 was just as unusable .
They just pretended is was for philosophical reasons .
OSX 10.0 was crap , hell even Microsoft needed 3 years after Vista ( with some major architecture changes ) .
It just takes too much time the achieve feature/stability/usability parity with the old system no matter how needed those major under-the-hood changes were .
So sorry , Gnome will take the same path as everyone else and sites will rush to declare 3.0 " A Major Disappointment " .
What you can hope for , though , is that distros wo n't be so braindead to drop Gnome 2 immediately after the 3.0 release .
Honestly , there was a time when distributions were concerned about providing a usable user experience instead of just grabbing all the latest stuff , add their configuration tools and ship that crap .
See PulseAudio , great idea , terrible execution on every single fucking distro I 've tried .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gnome 2.0 was just as unusable.
They just pretended is was for philosophical reasons.
OSX 10.0 was crap, hell even Microsoft needed 3 years after Vista (with some major architecture changes).
It just takes too much time the achieve feature/stability/usability parity with the old system no matter how needed those major under-the-hood changes were.
So sorry, Gnome will take the same path as everyone else and sites will rush to declare 3.0 "A Major Disappointment".
What you can hope for, though, is that distros won't be so braindead to drop Gnome 2 immediately after the 3.0 release.
Honestly, there was a time when distributions were concerned about providing a usable user experience instead of just grabbing all the latest stuff, add their configuration tools and ship that crap.
See PulseAudio, great idea, terrible execution on every single fucking distro I've tried.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28674607</id>
	<title>Re:mod parent up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247490600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Also Pulse Audio is a pile of shit that doesn't work!</p></div><p>Agreed. I wish Lennart Poettering would fuck off from the Linux world.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also Pulse Audio is a pile of shit that does n't work ! Agreed .
I wish Lennart Poettering would fuck off from the Linux world .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also Pulse Audio is a pile of shit that doesn't work!Agreed.
I wish Lennart Poettering would fuck off from the Linux world.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28679347</id>
	<title>Re:GTK</title>
	<author>spitzak</author>
	<datestamp>1247510220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Damn right they should fix Metacity, or replace it.</p><p>In particular, fix the "don't raise windows on click" option. Currently you can get it in this mode, but that causes it to ignore raises made by the application itself!!! Those idiots then say "not a bug" because they have some bogus excuse that raises from the app should always be ignored, but that is obviously bogus because they pay attention to them when the "don't raise on click" is off!</p><p>They also need to realize that working point-to-type and dont-raise-on-click is probably the one area where Linux desktops are vastly superior to Windows and OS/X. Instead they seem intent on breaking it as much as possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Damn right they should fix Metacity , or replace it.In particular , fix the " do n't raise windows on click " option .
Currently you can get it in this mode , but that causes it to ignore raises made by the application itself ! ! !
Those idiots then say " not a bug " because they have some bogus excuse that raises from the app should always be ignored , but that is obviously bogus because they pay attention to them when the " do n't raise on click " is off ! They also need to realize that working point-to-type and dont-raise-on-click is probably the one area where Linux desktops are vastly superior to Windows and OS/X .
Instead they seem intent on breaking it as much as possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Damn right they should fix Metacity, or replace it.In particular, fix the "don't raise windows on click" option.
Currently you can get it in this mode, but that causes it to ignore raises made by the application itself!!!
Those idiots then say "not a bug" because they have some bogus excuse that raises from the app should always be ignored, but that is obviously bogus because they pay attention to them when the "don't raise on click" is off!They also need to realize that working point-to-type and dont-raise-on-click is probably the one area where Linux desktops are vastly superior to Windows and OS/X.
Instead they seem intent on breaking it as much as possible.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28675065</id>
	<title>Re:Yay! Fixing 100 Paper Cuts!</title>
	<author>Zaiff Urgulbunger</author>
	<datestamp>1247494260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I do like that each release is better than the last... except after upgrading I also find a bunch of things that have been broken. Like for example, Jaunty doesn't like my camera (Kodak C330 I think) - why? - dunno, but for obvious reasons, it's a bit inconvenient to say the least!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do like that each release is better than the last... except after upgrading I also find a bunch of things that have been broken .
Like for example , Jaunty does n't like my camera ( Kodak C330 I think ) - why ?
- dunno , but for obvious reasons , it 's a bit inconvenient to say the least !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do like that each release is better than the last... except after upgrading I also find a bunch of things that have been broken.
Like for example, Jaunty doesn't like my camera (Kodak C330 I think) - why?
- dunno, but for obvious reasons, it's a bit inconvenient to say the least!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_13_0820238.28673843</id>
	<title>Re:Not the KDE4 way, plase</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247481360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What KDE4 proofed is that you can also sit down and have really interesting conceptual changes that get introduced as big shifts.</p></div><p>What KDE4 proofed is that if you make really awful software that is full of bugs even long term fans will switch to using an alternative.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What KDE4 proofed is that you can also sit down and have really interesting conceptual changes that get introduced as big shifts.What KDE4 proofed is that if you make really awful software that is full of bugs even long term fans will switch to using an alternative .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What KDE4 proofed is that you can also sit down and have really interesting conceptual changes that get introduced as big shifts.What KDE4 proofed is that if you make really awful software that is full of bugs even long term fans will switch to using an alternative.
	</sentencetext>
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