<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_12_1127253</id>
	<title>Unsung, Unpaid Coders Behind Federal IT Dashboard</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1247404200000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:theodp@aol.com" rel="nofollow">theodp</a> writes <i>"The Federal CIO <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2009/06/30/gov\_geeks\_a\_hit\_in\_new\_york.html?wprss=44">got a standing ovation</a> for the new Federal IT Dashboard. Federal contractors <a href="http://www.federalnewsradio.com/?nid=35&amp;sid=1689099">got the cash</a>. But sneak a peek at <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=site\%3Ait.usaspending.gov+js">the 'customcode' directory</a> behind the Dashboard, and you'll see that some individuals also helped bring it to life with their free software. For starters, there's <a href="http://www.brandspankingnew.net/archive/2007/02/ajax\_auto\_suggest\_v2.html">Timothy Groves' Auto Suggest</a> (Creative Commons License), <a href="http://www.dhtmlgoodies.com/index.html?page=ajax">Alf Magne Kalleland's Ajax Tooltip and Dynamic List</a> (GNU Lesser General Public License), and <a href="http://www.twilightuniverse.com/projects/sack/">Gregory Wild-Smith's Simple AJAX Code-Kit (SACK)</a> (modified X11 License)."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>theodp writes " The Federal CIO got a standing ovation for the new Federal IT Dashboard .
Federal contractors got the cash .
But sneak a peek at the 'customcode ' directory behind the Dashboard , and you 'll see that some individuals also helped bring it to life with their free software .
For starters , there 's Timothy Groves ' Auto Suggest ( Creative Commons License ) , Alf Magne Kalleland 's Ajax Tooltip and Dynamic List ( GNU Lesser General Public License ) , and Gregory Wild-Smith 's Simple AJAX Code-Kit ( SACK ) ( modified X11 License ) .
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<sentencetext>theodp writes "The Federal CIO got a standing ovation for the new Federal IT Dashboard.
Federal contractors got the cash.
But sneak a peek at the 'customcode' directory behind the Dashboard, and you'll see that some individuals also helped bring it to life with their free software.
For starters, there's Timothy Groves' Auto Suggest (Creative Commons License), Alf Magne Kalleland's Ajax Tooltip and Dynamic List (GNU Lesser General Public License), and Gregory Wild-Smith's Simple AJAX Code-Kit (SACK) (modified X11 License).
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28672107</id>
	<title>Re:Not News by any stretch...</title>
	<author>grcumb</author>
	<datestamp>1247414280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Best I could tell from this headline: "Unsung, Unpaid Coders Behind Federal IT Dashboard", is that someone is pissed they didn't get part of the bailouts or federal stimulus. Guess what, whats how socialism works, they should get used to it, we'll see much more. It only really works on paper, eventually you have no motivation to work/create if you end up being "Unsung, Unpaid" and it will eventually collapse.</p></div></blockquote><p>Wrong on 2 counts:</p><ol> <li>The fact that the coder was not paid for this particular use of the software doesn't mean the coder wasn't paid. There are other kinds of remuneration than license fees. In my lifetime I've made $100s of thousands of dollars getting paid to write software that was released under similar terms.</li><li>Experience demonstrates that FOSS does not 'eventually collapse'. Most of the Internet - and many of its biggest commercial entities - are running on FOSS. Apparently, there is a... wait for it... <em>sustainable market</em> for FOSS.</li></ol><p>I don't know why the 'FOSS == hobbyist/amateur' myth is getting so much traction these days. It's been demonstrated time and again that most FOSS developers (but not general participants) are paid to do that work by someone. The contributions from true hobbyists tend to be more in skinning, testing, documentation and other meta-level work.</p><p>But even though that's true, the thing that most sustains the FOSS system is fundamentally socialist: We don't assume that the code belongs to anyone in particular once it's done. That precept is difficult to implement in the world of atoms, but in a world of limitless replicability, socialism works just fine, thank you very much. In fact, I'd venture to say it's going to survive the next decade in better shape than so-called 'Intellectual Property'.</p><p>Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to put on my beret and join the other penguinistas as we storm the storm the Fed. 8^)</p></div>
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<tokenext>Best I could tell from this headline : " Unsung , Unpaid Coders Behind Federal IT Dashboard " , is that someone is pissed they did n't get part of the bailouts or federal stimulus .
Guess what , whats how socialism works , they should get used to it , we 'll see much more .
It only really works on paper , eventually you have no motivation to work/create if you end up being " Unsung , Unpaid " and it will eventually collapse.Wrong on 2 counts : The fact that the coder was not paid for this particular use of the software does n't mean the coder was n't paid .
There are other kinds of remuneration than license fees .
In my lifetime I 've made $ 100s of thousands of dollars getting paid to write software that was released under similar terms.Experience demonstrates that FOSS does not 'eventually collapse' .
Most of the Internet - and many of its biggest commercial entities - are running on FOSS .
Apparently , there is a... wait for it... sustainable market for FOSS.I do n't know why the 'FOSS = = hobbyist/amateur ' myth is getting so much traction these days .
It 's been demonstrated time and again that most FOSS developers ( but not general participants ) are paid to do that work by someone .
The contributions from true hobbyists tend to be more in skinning , testing , documentation and other meta-level work.But even though that 's true , the thing that most sustains the FOSS system is fundamentally socialist : We do n't assume that the code belongs to anyone in particular once it 's done .
That precept is difficult to implement in the world of atoms , but in a world of limitless replicability , socialism works just fine , thank you very much .
In fact , I 'd venture to say it 's going to survive the next decade in better shape than so-called 'Intellectual Property'.Now , if you 'll excuse me , I 'm going to put on my beret and join the other penguinistas as we storm the storm the Fed .
8 ^ )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Best I could tell from this headline: "Unsung, Unpaid Coders Behind Federal IT Dashboard", is that someone is pissed they didn't get part of the bailouts or federal stimulus.
Guess what, whats how socialism works, they should get used to it, we'll see much more.
It only really works on paper, eventually you have no motivation to work/create if you end up being "Unsung, Unpaid" and it will eventually collapse.Wrong on 2 counts: The fact that the coder was not paid for this particular use of the software doesn't mean the coder wasn't paid.
There are other kinds of remuneration than license fees.
In my lifetime I've made $100s of thousands of dollars getting paid to write software that was released under similar terms.Experience demonstrates that FOSS does not 'eventually collapse'.
Most of the Internet - and many of its biggest commercial entities - are running on FOSS.
Apparently, there is a... wait for it... sustainable market for FOSS.I don't know why the 'FOSS == hobbyist/amateur' myth is getting so much traction these days.
It's been demonstrated time and again that most FOSS developers (but not general participants) are paid to do that work by someone.
The contributions from true hobbyists tend to be more in skinning, testing, documentation and other meta-level work.But even though that's true, the thing that most sustains the FOSS system is fundamentally socialist: We don't assume that the code belongs to anyone in particular once it's done.
That precept is difficult to implement in the world of atoms, but in a world of limitless replicability, socialism works just fine, thank you very much.
In fact, I'd venture to say it's going to survive the next decade in better shape than so-called 'Intellectual Property'.Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to put on my beret and join the other penguinistas as we storm the storm the Fed.
8^)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28668127</id>
	<title>Re:And isn't this the point?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247421180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is stupid to work unpaid and let others profit from it.  Plain and simple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is stupid to work unpaid and let others profit from it .
Plain and simple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is stupid to work unpaid and let others profit from it.
Plain and simple.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28666917</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28666921</id>
	<title>This is great!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247408640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Less tax payers money being wasted. Also, part of releasing your code under a liberal license is that you permit others to use it free of charge under certain conditions. This happened, and those conditions were fulfilled. Quite a nice win for open source- What more do you want?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Less tax payers money being wasted .
Also , part of releasing your code under a liberal license is that you permit others to use it free of charge under certain conditions .
This happened , and those conditions were fulfilled .
Quite a nice win for open source- What more do you want ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Less tax payers money being wasted.
Also, part of releasing your code under a liberal license is that you permit others to use it free of charge under certain conditions.
This happened, and those conditions were fulfilled.
Quite a nice win for open source- What more do you want?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667059</id>
	<title>What do you want!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247410620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speaking as someone who deals with this almost daily, just trying to get the Fed to use OSS is like pulling teeth.  When they do, you certainly don't shout if from the rooftops, or someone will surely swoop down and make you remove it.  Additionally, it is Open Source.  Sorry that they didn't stroke your ego's and make you feel good about yourselves.  Perhaps folks should reconsider the real purpose of open source; is it benefit for the community, or is it an outlet for you to earn praise?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking as someone who deals with this almost daily , just trying to get the Fed to use OSS is like pulling teeth .
When they do , you certainly do n't shout if from the rooftops , or someone will surely swoop down and make you remove it .
Additionally , it is Open Source .
Sorry that they did n't stroke your ego 's and make you feel good about yourselves .
Perhaps folks should reconsider the real purpose of open source ; is it benefit for the community , or is it an outlet for you to earn praise ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking as someone who deals with this almost daily, just trying to get the Fed to use OSS is like pulling teeth.
When they do, you certainly don't shout if from the rooftops, or someone will surely swoop down and make you remove it.
Additionally, it is Open Source.
Sorry that they didn't stroke your ego's and make you feel good about yourselves.
Perhaps folks should reconsider the real purpose of open source; is it benefit for the community, or is it an outlet for you to earn praise?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28666971</id>
	<title>So?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247409300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really?  You are concerned about that?  Go browse the web for 10 minutes, and show me which websites DON'T use pre-packaged AJAX/JavaScript libraries.  EXT, YUI, etc., are all over the place, and used every day.  The fact these contractors used these OSS libraries shouldn't concern anybody -- really.   Nothing to see here, go on with your Microsoft basing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really ?
You are concerned about that ?
Go browse the web for 10 minutes , and show me which websites DO N'T use pre-packaged AJAX/JavaScript libraries .
EXT , YUI , etc. , are all over the place , and used every day .
The fact these contractors used these OSS libraries should n't concern anybody -- really .
Nothing to see here , go on with your Microsoft basing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really?
You are concerned about that?
Go browse the web for 10 minutes, and show me which websites DON'T use pre-packaged AJAX/JavaScript libraries.
EXT, YUI, etc., are all over the place, and used every day.
The fact these contractors used these OSS libraries shouldn't concern anybody -- really.
Nothing to see here, go on with your Microsoft basing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28666917</id>
	<title>And isn't this the point?</title>
	<author>hattig</author>
	<datestamp>1247408580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A good example of how free, open source, software benefits everyone.</p><p>The submission reads like it's different, and that other people have garnered the ovations for these people's work, but the work is in enabling technology, frameworks. Much like Sun doesn't get an ovation or money when a successful Java project is deployed, I fail to see how this is different.</p><p>Nice for the coders to get some recognition however.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A good example of how free , open source , software benefits everyone.The submission reads like it 's different , and that other people have garnered the ovations for these people 's work , but the work is in enabling technology , frameworks .
Much like Sun does n't get an ovation or money when a successful Java project is deployed , I fail to see how this is different.Nice for the coders to get some recognition however .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A good example of how free, open source, software benefits everyone.The submission reads like it's different, and that other people have garnered the ovations for these people's work, but the work is in enabling technology, frameworks.
Much like Sun doesn't get an ovation or money when a successful Java project is deployed, I fail to see how this is different.Nice for the coders to get some recognition however.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28670487</id>
	<title>Re:And isn't this the point?</title>
	<author>taucross</author>
	<datestamp>1247398920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>ITT: People who will always be poor.<br> <br>There is a time for everything in nature, young anon.</htmltext>
<tokenext>ITT : People who will always be poor .
There is a time for everything in nature , young anon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ITT: People who will always be poor.
There is a time for everything in nature, young anon.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28668127</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667101</id>
	<title>Not News by any stretch...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247411460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I looked for an F'n article to read, but couldn't find one. It looks more like one person putting together an opinion to post on Slashdot, not '"News" for nerds' in any sense.</p><p>Best I could tell from this headline: "Unsung, Unpaid Coders Behind Federal IT Dashboard", is that someone is pissed they didn't get part of the bailouts or federal stimulus.   Guess what, whats how socialism works, they should get used to it, we'll see much more.   It only really works on paper, eventually you have no motivation to work/create if you end up being "Unsung, Unpaid" and it will eventually collapse.</p><p>If someone truly want to contribute to "society" with their code, license it on a per-case basis.  Someone you like, license for a few dollars to feed your belly lunch.   Someone you don't really like (Microsoft assumed usually in this case), then increase the license fee to where both parties are comfortable with the trade.</p><p>(The trade = use of your code for cash.   All of society is based on labor trades.  Trade for food, clothing, shelter or something that can be later traded for those things, such as gold, guns, political power, etc.   Society eventually breaks down when those that produce no labored product expect to be compensated on the same scale as those that do produce a labored product.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I looked for an F'n article to read , but could n't find one .
It looks more like one person putting together an opinion to post on Slashdot , not ' " News " for nerds ' in any sense.Best I could tell from this headline : " Unsung , Unpaid Coders Behind Federal IT Dashboard " , is that someone is pissed they did n't get part of the bailouts or federal stimulus .
Guess what , whats how socialism works , they should get used to it , we 'll see much more .
It only really works on paper , eventually you have no motivation to work/create if you end up being " Unsung , Unpaid " and it will eventually collapse.If someone truly want to contribute to " society " with their code , license it on a per-case basis .
Someone you like , license for a few dollars to feed your belly lunch .
Someone you do n't really like ( Microsoft assumed usually in this case ) , then increase the license fee to where both parties are comfortable with the trade .
( The trade = use of your code for cash .
All of society is based on labor trades .
Trade for food , clothing , shelter or something that can be later traded for those things , such as gold , guns , political power , etc .
Society eventually breaks down when those that produce no labored product expect to be compensated on the same scale as those that do produce a labored product .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I looked for an F'n article to read, but couldn't find one.
It looks more like one person putting together an opinion to post on Slashdot, not '"News" for nerds' in any sense.Best I could tell from this headline: "Unsung, Unpaid Coders Behind Federal IT Dashboard", is that someone is pissed they didn't get part of the bailouts or federal stimulus.
Guess what, whats how socialism works, they should get used to it, we'll see much more.
It only really works on paper, eventually you have no motivation to work/create if you end up being "Unsung, Unpaid" and it will eventually collapse.If someone truly want to contribute to "society" with their code, license it on a per-case basis.
Someone you like, license for a few dollars to feed your belly lunch.
Someone you don't really like (Microsoft assumed usually in this case), then increase the license fee to where both parties are comfortable with the trade.
(The trade = use of your code for cash.
All of society is based on labor trades.
Trade for food, clothing, shelter or something that can be later traded for those things, such as gold, guns, political power, etc.
Society eventually breaks down when those that produce no labored product expect to be compensated on the same scale as those that do produce a labored product.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667279</id>
	<title>Re:This is great!</title>
	<author>The End Of Days</author>
	<datestamp>1247413680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they require recognition, they can put it in their license.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they require recognition , they can put it in their license .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they require recognition, they can put it in their license.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667185</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28668931</id>
	<title>How do I set to ignore submitters and editors?</title>
	<author>Weedhopper</author>
	<datestamp>1247429220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because this entire submission is just absolute drivel from FOSS cheerleaders who simply don't understand the fucking point of FOSS.</p><p>This is EXACTLY how FOSS is supposed to be used.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because this entire submission is just absolute drivel from FOSS cheerleaders who simply do n't understand the fucking point of FOSS.This is EXACTLY how FOSS is supposed to be used .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because this entire submission is just absolute drivel from FOSS cheerleaders who simply don't understand the fucking point of FOSS.This is EXACTLY how FOSS is supposed to be used.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667035</id>
	<title>why is this fodder on my homepage?</title>
	<author>MeatBag PussRocket</author>
	<datestamp>1247410320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>pardon my ignorance, but this is newsworthy- why? last i checked FOSS in some form or another exists just about everywhere. CC and GNU is used daily by individuals, companies and governments worldwide. or am i missing something here? is the author suggesting is a problem because they are \_unpaid?\_ thats the inherent problem with FOSS because just like crime, volunteering doesn't pay.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>pardon my ignorance , but this is newsworthy- why ?
last i checked FOSS in some form or another exists just about everywhere .
CC and GNU is used daily by individuals , companies and governments worldwide .
or am i missing something here ?
is the author suggesting is a problem because they are \ _unpaid ? \ _ thats the inherent problem with FOSS because just like crime , volunteering does n't pay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>pardon my ignorance, but this is newsworthy- why?
last i checked FOSS in some form or another exists just about everywhere.
CC and GNU is used daily by individuals, companies and governments worldwide.
or am i missing something here?
is the author suggesting is a problem because they are \_unpaid?\_ thats the inherent problem with FOSS because just like crime, volunteering doesn't pay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28669265</id>
	<title>Re:And isn't this the point?</title>
	<author>FlyingBishop</author>
	<datestamp>1247432100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suspect that the developers of this code were not only paid for their work, but paid well, and will continue to be paid for future work.</p><p>If they had refused to let others profit from it, it is likely their employer that would have profited, not them, since they would not have retained the rights to use it themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suspect that the developers of this code were not only paid for their work , but paid well , and will continue to be paid for future work.If they had refused to let others profit from it , it is likely their employer that would have profited , not them , since they would not have retained the rights to use it themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suspect that the developers of this code were not only paid for their work, but paid well, and will continue to be paid for future work.If they had refused to let others profit from it, it is likely their employer that would have profited, not them, since they would not have retained the rights to use it themselves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667521</id>
	<title>permission denied</title>
	<author>NynexNinja</author>
	<datestamp>1247416200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Looks like the evidence wasn't up for long.  <a href="http://it.usaspending.gov/customcode/" title="usaspending.gov">http://it.usaspending.gov/customcode/</a> [usaspending.gov] now reports: You don't have permission to access<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/customcode/ on this server.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like the evidence was n't up for long .
http : //it.usaspending.gov/customcode/ [ usaspending.gov ] now reports : You do n't have permission to access /customcode/ on this server .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like the evidence wasn't up for long.
http://it.usaspending.gov/customcode/ [usaspending.gov] now reports: You don't have permission to access /customcode/ on this server.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667057</id>
	<title>403 Forbidden</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247410560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So sayeth http://it.usaspending.gov/customcode/.</p><p>Thanks for a great article, slashdot</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So sayeth http : //it.usaspending.gov/customcode/.Thanks for a great article , slashdot</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So sayeth http://it.usaspending.gov/customcode/.Thanks for a great article, slashdot</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28679667</id>
	<title>Re:And isn't this the point?</title>
	<author>bluefoxlucid</author>
	<datestamp>1247511060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I had written the VM86 code for Minix, I'd be in a powerful position to argue why I should work for IBM right now.  Operating system programming know-how and all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I had written the VM86 code for Minix , I 'd be in a powerful position to argue why I should work for IBM right now .
Operating system programming know-how and all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I had written the VM86 code for Minix, I'd be in a powerful position to argue why I should work for IBM right now.
Operating system programming know-how and all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28668127</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28671739</id>
	<title>Re:And isn't this the point?</title>
	<author>CrashNBrn</author>
	<datestamp>1247410560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What example, the summary looked like one big disjointed collection of links. Why not make the whole summary a link and be done with it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What example , the summary looked like one big disjointed collection of links .
Why not make the whole summary a link and be done with it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What example, the summary looked like one big disjointed collection of links.
Why not make the whole summary a link and be done with it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28670803</id>
	<title>Re:why is this fodder on my homepage?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247401920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suspect from the context that you may want to consult a dictionary on the meaning of "fodder".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suspect from the context that you may want to consult a dictionary on the meaning of " fodder " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suspect from the context that you may want to consult a dictionary on the meaning of "fodder".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667827</id>
	<title>Re:Not News by any stretch...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247418480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Society eventually breaks down when those that produce no labored product expect to be compensated on the same scale as those that do produce a labored product</i></p><p>Remind me - exactly what does America produce these days? Also, who said America's lifestyle was not up for negotiation?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Society eventually breaks down when those that produce no labored product expect to be compensated on the same scale as those that do produce a labored productRemind me - exactly what does America produce these days ?
Also , who said America 's lifestyle was not up for negotiation ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Society eventually breaks down when those that produce no labored product expect to be compensated on the same scale as those that do produce a labored productRemind me - exactly what does America produce these days?
Also, who said America's lifestyle was not up for negotiation?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28668779</id>
	<title>Re:This is great!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247428080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why does everyone assume that because you are using open source software you automatically save money?   I have seen MANY instances where buying a $1000 piece of commerical software over a OSS solution saved us the cost of the package over extra development time to integrate the OSS software.   Every situation is different and we should never assume OSS is always the best choice.     A good developer will always weigh their choices and make the best decsion for that particular case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does everyone assume that because you are using open source software you automatically save money ?
I have seen MANY instances where buying a $ 1000 piece of commerical software over a OSS solution saved us the cost of the package over extra development time to integrate the OSS software .
Every situation is different and we should never assume OSS is always the best choice .
A good developer will always weigh their choices and make the best decsion for that particular case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does everyone assume that because you are using open source software you automatically save money?
I have seen MANY instances where buying a $1000 piece of commerical software over a OSS solution saved us the cost of the package over extra development time to integrate the OSS software.
Every situation is different and we should never assume OSS is always the best choice.
A good developer will always weigh their choices and make the best decsion for that particular case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667417</id>
	<title>Re:This is great!</title>
	<author>Cillian</author>
	<datestamp>1247415180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You assume by the first part that everybody on earth who codes Free software is from the USA... Not everybody might think it an advantage that the USA saves money from their work.  (Although, I agree that by releasing it as Free software they forfeit their right to give a damn)</htmltext>
<tokenext>You assume by the first part that everybody on earth who codes Free software is from the USA... Not everybody might think it an advantage that the USA saves money from their work .
( Although , I agree that by releasing it as Free software they forfeit their right to give a damn )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You assume by the first part that everybody on earth who codes Free software is from the USA... Not everybody might think it an advantage that the USA saves money from their work.
(Although, I agree that by releasing it as Free software they forfeit their right to give a damn)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667407</id>
	<title>Re:So?</title>
	<author>nacturation</author>
	<datestamp>1247415120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Nothing to see here, go on with your Microsoft basing.</p></div><p>Indeed.  Theodp is taking a break from <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=theodp+writes+site\%3Aslashdot.org" title="google.com">his usual patent bashing</a> [google.com] to slam others for using code according to the terms of the license it was issued under.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing to see here , go on with your Microsoft basing.Indeed .
Theodp is taking a break from his usual patent bashing [ google.com ] to slam others for using code according to the terms of the license it was issued under .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing to see here, go on with your Microsoft basing.Indeed.
Theodp is taking a break from his usual patent bashing [google.com] to slam others for using code according to the terms of the license it was issued under.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667309</id>
	<title>!stealing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247414040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whoever tagged this story as "stealing" doesn't understand Free Software. The Federal CIO deserves extra credit for properly understanding and using it. Which, in turn, promotes it in the most powerful way.</p><p>Remember that the Feds have given away more software and other tech than any other single source. Including the Internet itself, and indeed jumpstarting computers, microprocessors, and even universal telephone service. Your tax dollars at work - in a way that private industry cannot claim. Events that have changed the world into a much freer place, both for software and for everything else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whoever tagged this story as " stealing " does n't understand Free Software .
The Federal CIO deserves extra credit for properly understanding and using it .
Which , in turn , promotes it in the most powerful way.Remember that the Feds have given away more software and other tech than any other single source .
Including the Internet itself , and indeed jumpstarting computers , microprocessors , and even universal telephone service .
Your tax dollars at work - in a way that private industry can not claim .
Events that have changed the world into a much freer place , both for software and for everything else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whoever tagged this story as "stealing" doesn't understand Free Software.
The Federal CIO deserves extra credit for properly understanding and using it.
Which, in turn, promotes it in the most powerful way.Remember that the Feds have given away more software and other tech than any other single source.
Including the Internet itself, and indeed jumpstarting computers, microprocessors, and even universal telephone service.
Your tax dollars at work - in a way that private industry cannot claim.
Events that have changed the world into a much freer place, both for software and for everything else.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28666917</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667231</id>
	<title>This is as it should be</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247413260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear theodp at aol dot com,<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Yes, people get paid for delivering solutions built on Free software.  Perhaps you should read<br>http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/pragmatic.html<br>and<br>http://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/selling.html</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; And there's not an obligation for them to divvy up their earnings and send them upstream.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; The solution you're thinking of, where everyone has to get paid, is called <b>proprietary software</b>.  Like the Bad Old Days, where you had to go license libraries for everything you didn't write from scratch, and you had to go buy your compiler for hundreds of dollars.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Funny your name is 'theo', you sound like the whining BSD users who bitch that GPL "won't allow them to make money", then howl when someone takes their code, uses it, and doesn't release source.  (BAWWWWW nobody paid us for openssh but Sun ships it!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear theodp at aol dot com ,     Yes , people get paid for delivering solutions built on Free software .
Perhaps you should readhttp : //www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/pragmatic.htmlandhttp : //www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/selling.html     And there 's not an obligation for them to divvy up their earnings and send them upstream .
    The solution you 're thinking of , where everyone has to get paid , is called proprietary software .
Like the Bad Old Days , where you had to go license libraries for everything you did n't write from scratch , and you had to go buy your compiler for hundreds of dollars .
    Funny your name is 'theo ' , you sound like the whining BSD users who bitch that GPL " wo n't allow them to make money " , then howl when someone takes their code , uses it , and does n't release source .
( BAWWWWW nobody paid us for openssh but Sun ships it !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear theodp at aol dot com,
    Yes, people get paid for delivering solutions built on Free software.
Perhaps you should readhttp://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/pragmatic.htmlandhttp://www.fsf.org/licensing/essays/selling.html
    And there's not an obligation for them to divvy up their earnings and send them upstream.
    The solution you're thinking of, where everyone has to get paid, is called proprietary software.
Like the Bad Old Days, where you had to go license libraries for everything you didn't write from scratch, and you had to go buy your compiler for hundreds of dollars.
    Funny your name is 'theo', you sound like the whining BSD users who bitch that GPL "won't allow them to make money", then howl when someone takes their code, uses it, and doesn't release source.
(BAWWWWW nobody paid us for openssh but Sun ships it!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667379</id>
	<title>Re:This is great!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247414760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>FLOSS coders at least want <b>recognition</b>. Not everyone, but many do. Who has said "thanks" to them, who has said "this would not be possible without works of so-and-so"? That's what coders want, at the very least. Apple acknowledges FreeBSD's work. Did the US Government?</p></div><p>Do the license terms require someone to say "thanks" to them beyond the usual copyright notice and attribution statement?  No?  Then nobody cares that you didn't get the recognition that you didn't ask for, emo kid.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>FLOSS coders at least want recognition .
Not everyone , but many do .
Who has said " thanks " to them , who has said " this would not be possible without works of so-and-so " ?
That 's what coders want , at the very least .
Apple acknowledges FreeBSD 's work .
Did the US Government ? Do the license terms require someone to say " thanks " to them beyond the usual copyright notice and attribution statement ?
No ? Then nobody cares that you did n't get the recognition that you did n't ask for , emo kid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FLOSS coders at least want recognition.
Not everyone, but many do.
Who has said "thanks" to them, who has said "this would not be possible without works of so-and-so"?
That's what coders want, at the very least.
Apple acknowledges FreeBSD's work.
Did the US Government?Do the license terms require someone to say "thanks" to them beyond the usual copyright notice and attribution statement?
No?  Then nobody cares that you didn't get the recognition that you didn't ask for, emo kid.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667011</id>
	<title>I'm sorry Slashdot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247410020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You confused me for someone who cares..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You confused me for someone who cares. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You confused me for someone who cares..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667183</id>
	<title>Re:And isn't this the point?</title>
	<author>Old97</author>
	<datestamp>1247412840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Precisely and the Fed CIO and other leaders who were wise enough to support/allow the sensible decisions to use FOSS deserve some kudos if for no other reason than to encourage more of the same.  The Federal bureaucracy tends to be risk adverse and in many areas have shied away from open source and free software.  Their system integrators (I used to work for one) did as well.  All that is changing and that's a good thing.  Now that I work for a private sector company I can point to the Fed's use of FOSS as evidence that we can trust it and rely on it.  Our executives still want to give sacks of cash to vendors like IBM and Microsoft, but in the current economy they've become more receptive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Precisely and the Fed CIO and other leaders who were wise enough to support/allow the sensible decisions to use FOSS deserve some kudos if for no other reason than to encourage more of the same .
The Federal bureaucracy tends to be risk adverse and in many areas have shied away from open source and free software .
Their system integrators ( I used to work for one ) did as well .
All that is changing and that 's a good thing .
Now that I work for a private sector company I can point to the Fed 's use of FOSS as evidence that we can trust it and rely on it .
Our executives still want to give sacks of cash to vendors like IBM and Microsoft , but in the current economy they 've become more receptive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Precisely and the Fed CIO and other leaders who were wise enough to support/allow the sensible decisions to use FOSS deserve some kudos if for no other reason than to encourage more of the same.
The Federal bureaucracy tends to be risk adverse and in many areas have shied away from open source and free software.
Their system integrators (I used to work for one) did as well.
All that is changing and that's a good thing.
Now that I work for a private sector company I can point to the Fed's use of FOSS as evidence that we can trust it and rely on it.
Our executives still want to give sacks of cash to vendors like IBM and Microsoft, but in the current economy they've become more receptive.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28669281</id>
	<title>When people create innovation and make it common</title>
	<author>symbolset</author>
	<datestamp>1247432220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When people create innovation and make it common and then other people build upon that platform to drive ever higher advancements by also making them commonly available, that's called <i>progress</i>.  It's the advantage that free software has over the commercial variety.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When people create innovation and make it common and then other people build upon that platform to drive ever higher advancements by also making them commonly available , that 's called progress .
It 's the advantage that free software has over the commercial variety .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When people create innovation and make it common and then other people build upon that platform to drive ever higher advancements by also making them commonly available, that's called progress.
It's the advantage that free software has over the commercial variety.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667165</id>
	<title>Re:Not News by any stretch...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247412600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, it seems to have been posted by someone who (like you) doesn't understand how Free Software works. It has nothing to do with socialism. Its still 'trade'. It just doesn't involve cash.</p><p>People who release code as Free Software are trading *their* code, for *your* improvements to it (if you make any), as well as helping to ensure that proprietary software 'vendors' don't lock it up and prevent anyone else from using it, or even writing code that can interoperate with it.</p><p>People who write and release Free Software do *not* expect monetary compensation, they are happy that people use it for any purpose.</p><p>Feel free to read: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html for a more thorough explanation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , it seems to have been posted by someone who ( like you ) does n't understand how Free Software works .
It has nothing to do with socialism .
Its still 'trade' .
It just does n't involve cash.People who release code as Free Software are trading * their * code , for * your * improvements to it ( if you make any ) , as well as helping to ensure that proprietary software 'vendors ' do n't lock it up and prevent anyone else from using it , or even writing code that can interoperate with it.People who write and release Free Software do * not * expect monetary compensation , they are happy that people use it for any purpose.Feel free to read : http : //www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html for a more thorough explanation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, it seems to have been posted by someone who (like you) doesn't understand how Free Software works.
It has nothing to do with socialism.
Its still 'trade'.
It just doesn't involve cash.People who release code as Free Software are trading *their* code, for *your* improvements to it (if you make any), as well as helping to ensure that proprietary software 'vendors' don't lock it up and prevent anyone else from using it, or even writing code that can interoperate with it.People who write and release Free Software do *not* expect monetary compensation, they are happy that people use it for any purpose.Feel free to read: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html for a more thorough explanation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28669071</id>
	<title>Re:And isn't this the point?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247430300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"It is stupid to work unpaid and let others profit from it. Plain and simple."</p><p>Don't do it, then.</p><p>On the other hand, Slashdot's owners do profit from you posting here for free, so go figure what does mean for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" It is stupid to work unpaid and let others profit from it .
Plain and simple .
" Do n't do it , then.On the other hand , Slashdot 's owners do profit from you posting here for free , so go figure what does mean for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It is stupid to work unpaid and let others profit from it.
Plain and simple.
"Don't do it, then.On the other hand, Slashdot's owners do profit from you posting here for free, so go figure what does mean for you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28676659</id>
	<title>Re:This is great!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247501220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's what the government did, and what the licenses require: leaving attribution in comments.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's what the government did , and what the licenses require : leaving attribution in comments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's what the government did, and what the licenses require: leaving attribution in comments.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667177</id>
	<title>Re:Not News by any stretch...</title>
	<author>oberondarksoul</author>
	<datestamp>1247412780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>eventually you have no motivation to work/create if you end up being "Unsung, Unpaid"</p></div></blockquote><p>
But this code has already been created. None of the authors had any financial incentive to release it for free, but they have done! Trying to claim that they wouldn't flies against the fact that many projects are and have been created for no other purpose than because their authors wanted to, thought it would be fun, wanted a hobby, or so on. Money is not the only reward.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>eventually you have no motivation to work/create if you end up being " Unsung , Unpaid " But this code has already been created .
None of the authors had any financial incentive to release it for free , but they have done !
Trying to claim that they would n't flies against the fact that many projects are and have been created for no other purpose than because their authors wanted to , thought it would be fun , wanted a hobby , or so on .
Money is not the only reward .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>eventually you have no motivation to work/create if you end up being "Unsung, Unpaid"
But this code has already been created.
None of the authors had any financial incentive to release it for free, but they have done!
Trying to claim that they wouldn't flies against the fact that many projects are and have been created for no other purpose than because their authors wanted to, thought it would be fun, wanted a hobby, or so on.
Money is not the only reward.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28672779</id>
	<title>Re:!stealing</title>
	<author>JWSmythe</author>
	<datestamp>1247422560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Some people get bent out of shape when they realize that their "free" license is being used by people other than their low paid peers.  Oh my gosh, it's a big money rich group using it.  They should pay!  {sigh}  If I give something away (which I do occasionally), it's free to reproduce at will.  I do ask that I'm told if/when it's used in something.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; I have a little proof of concept encryption thing online.  I look through the Apache logs once in a while to see who's visiting.  Quite a few research labs and somewhat secret gov't organizations have viewed it and downloaded the package.  I'd like to know that it's being used in something practical, but I know they can't tell me.  My best hope is that someday I'll have something interesting enough out there where they'll not only want to use my little bits of code that I make available, but be hired on to work with them.   A little "hmmm, this guy seems to know a little something" would hopefully go a long way.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Am I going to cry if I find out that it's being used in the latest-greatest government initiative, or even as the new secure messing platform that Microsoft puts out with Windows 13?  Nope.  But if they do snag it and use it, I'll be more than happy to brag that up.  Since mine is so simple, I seriously doubt anything beyond someone seeing it, thinking "that's a good idea", and writing their own code for it.  But hey, if my functions show up in something big eventually, I'll be impressed.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>    Some people get bent out of shape when they realize that their " free " license is being used by people other than their low paid peers .
Oh my gosh , it 's a big money rich group using it .
They should pay !
{ sigh } If I give something away ( which I do occasionally ) , it 's free to reproduce at will .
I do ask that I 'm told if/when it 's used in something .
    I have a little proof of concept encryption thing online .
I look through the Apache logs once in a while to see who 's visiting .
Quite a few research labs and somewhat secret gov't organizations have viewed it and downloaded the package .
I 'd like to know that it 's being used in something practical , but I know they ca n't tell me .
My best hope is that someday I 'll have something interesting enough out there where they 'll not only want to use my little bits of code that I make available , but be hired on to work with them .
A little " hmmm , this guy seems to know a little something " would hopefully go a long way .
: )     Am I going to cry if I find out that it 's being used in the latest-greatest government initiative , or even as the new secure messing platform that Microsoft puts out with Windows 13 ?
Nope. But if they do snag it and use it , I 'll be more than happy to brag that up .
Since mine is so simple , I seriously doubt anything beyond someone seeing it , thinking " that 's a good idea " , and writing their own code for it .
But hey , if my functions show up in something big eventually , I 'll be impressed .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
    Some people get bent out of shape when they realize that their "free" license is being used by people other than their low paid peers.
Oh my gosh, it's a big money rich group using it.
They should pay!
{sigh}  If I give something away (which I do occasionally), it's free to reproduce at will.
I do ask that I'm told if/when it's used in something.
    I have a little proof of concept encryption thing online.
I look through the Apache logs once in a while to see who's visiting.
Quite a few research labs and somewhat secret gov't organizations have viewed it and downloaded the package.
I'd like to know that it's being used in something practical, but I know they can't tell me.
My best hope is that someday I'll have something interesting enough out there where they'll not only want to use my little bits of code that I make available, but be hired on to work with them.
A little "hmmm, this guy seems to know a little something" would hopefully go a long way.
:)
    Am I going to cry if I find out that it's being used in the latest-greatest government initiative, or even as the new secure messing platform that Microsoft puts out with Windows 13?
Nope.  But if they do snag it and use it, I'll be more than happy to brag that up.
Since mine is so simple, I seriously doubt anything beyond someone seeing it, thinking "that's a good idea", and writing their own code for it.
But hey, if my functions show up in something big eventually, I'll be impressed.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667055</id>
	<title>In other news...</title>
	<author>MoeDrippins</author>
	<datestamp>1247410560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... people developing applications often use libraries that have already been written.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... people developing applications often use libraries that have already been written .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... people developing applications often use libraries that have already been written.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28672465</id>
	<title>Re:And isn't this the point?</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1247418420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Federal contractors got the cash. But sneak a peek [...] behind the Dashboard, and you'll see that some individuals also helped bring it to life with their free software.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>The contractors got paid for their labor. They took these components and put them together. This is exactly what free software is about, making the information technology free (since it's infinitely copyable) and charging people for the labor, which is never free or infinite.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Federal contractors got the cash .
But sneak a peek [ ... ] behind the Dashboard , and you 'll see that some individuals also helped bring it to life with their free software .
The contractors got paid for their labor .
They took these components and put them together .
This is exactly what free software is about , making the information technology free ( since it 's infinitely copyable ) and charging people for the labor , which is never free or infinite .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Federal contractors got the cash.
But sneak a peek [...] behind the Dashboard, and you'll see that some individuals also helped bring it to life with their free software.
The contractors got paid for their labor.
They took these components and put them together.
This is exactly what free software is about, making the information technology free (since it's infinitely copyable) and charging people for the labor, which is never free or infinite.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28672901</id>
	<title>Re:This is great!</title>
	<author>JWSmythe</author>
	<datestamp>1247424300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
  Budgets are a wonderful thing.  If you've ever known anyone who works with the government, you'll have heard of it in action.  Say a department is budgeted $1,000,000 USD (a low number by gov't standards). Now say that they've spent $750,000 USD by the end of the month, quarter, or fiscal year depending on the period of that budget. They have two choices.  Either they can say "Oh, our job only really requires $750,000", and that's what will be budgeted for the next period, or they can spend the money on something (within guidelines, of course).  They'll have "the following 20 people will be off at training for the next 3 weeks", which of course not only covers the outrageously priced training, but air fare, and per diem.  They may have a new round of desktop and network upgrades.  They may find it is time to retire several vehicles from the motor pool.  Maybe they came in under budget because they are actually behind on the projects.  Time to hire 20 new people.</p><p>
  I thought it was a joke when I heard about contracts for road construction.  Over the years, it has become abundantly obvious that it is no joke.  The way many road construction contracts go is like this.  The companies bid at a rather high rate, to get it done in at least 2x the time required.  The companies don't undercut each other by much.  They all want the lucrative contract.  Of course, there's enough included to help out with kickbacks and other assorted favors.  Oh, did I say that last part?  No, that never happens in the gov't at any level.  So, back to the story.  The job will read that it must start by Jan 1 of 2010, and be completed by Jan 1 of 2015.  They get paid $15,385 for every day during the construction period, and get a $100,000 incentive if they complete it by Jan 1 2014.</p><p>
 The company who won the contract looks at it and realized:</p><p>
 $15,385 * 1300 days  = $20,000,500<br>
 ($15,385 * 1040 days) + $100,000 = 16,100,400<br>
 or<br>
 $15,385 * (1300 days + 260 days overrun) = $24,000,600</p><p>
 They already know this is only a 6 month job. On Jan 1 2010 and dig up a section of road, to indicate that they are actually working.  They park equipment on it (which necessitates the fees, since that equipment cannot be used elsewhere), place cones, etc, etc.  They spend a few weeks accomplishing this.   Traffic backs up.  People get mad. Stuff doesn't happen.  Every few months, you'll see a little bit of work being done, but you never see any notable progress.  Then comes April 30, 2015.  An amazing flurry of construction begins.  If they're lucky, they don't have any unexpected problems (weather, increases in costs, etc), and by Dec 20, 2015 they've completed the job.  Everyone goes home and has a nice holiday with their families.</p><p>
  What really came of that?  A contracted paid on a day basis should have run for approx 150 days of continued work.  Still, that was a $2,307,750 job.  Yet, the taxpayers still paid the $20,000,000 for the work to be accomplished.</p><p>
  That, my son, is where your tax dollars go.  It's not a mistake, or any sort of laziness by anyone in the system.  It's simply the way it works.</p><p>
  And why didn't they go for the $24,000,600 goal?  There may be something in the contract which would limit them from participating in future contracts if x\% of previous contracts were overruns.  It's a short term gain, but a long term loss.  Sure, an extra $4 million in my company sounds good, but why not take another $20 million contract that only really costs about $2.3 million.  That $17.7 million profit sounds really nice.</p><p>
  I serious oversimplified this.  There are some factors like surveying; procurement of materials; re-engineering various aspects; finding Indian burial grounds along the proposed route; special interest groups tying things up with lawsuits and petitions (oh god, who gives a heck about the spotted red-headed cocksucker?); or a billion other things that can go wrong.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Budgets are a wonderful thing .
If you 've ever known anyone who works with the government , you 'll have heard of it in action .
Say a department is budgeted $ 1,000,000 USD ( a low number by gov't standards ) .
Now say that they 've spent $ 750,000 USD by the end of the month , quarter , or fiscal year depending on the period of that budget .
They have two choices .
Either they can say " Oh , our job only really requires $ 750,000 " , and that 's what will be budgeted for the next period , or they can spend the money on something ( within guidelines , of course ) .
They 'll have " the following 20 people will be off at training for the next 3 weeks " , which of course not only covers the outrageously priced training , but air fare , and per diem .
They may have a new round of desktop and network upgrades .
They may find it is time to retire several vehicles from the motor pool .
Maybe they came in under budget because they are actually behind on the projects .
Time to hire 20 new people .
I thought it was a joke when I heard about contracts for road construction .
Over the years , it has become abundantly obvious that it is no joke .
The way many road construction contracts go is like this .
The companies bid at a rather high rate , to get it done in at least 2x the time required .
The companies do n't undercut each other by much .
They all want the lucrative contract .
Of course , there 's enough included to help out with kickbacks and other assorted favors .
Oh , did I say that last part ?
No , that never happens in the gov't at any level .
So , back to the story .
The job will read that it must start by Jan 1 of 2010 , and be completed by Jan 1 of 2015 .
They get paid $ 15,385 for every day during the construction period , and get a $ 100,000 incentive if they complete it by Jan 1 2014 .
The company who won the contract looks at it and realized : $ 15,385 * 1300 days = $ 20,000,500 ( $ 15,385 * 1040 days ) + $ 100,000 = 16,100,400 or $ 15,385 * ( 1300 days + 260 days overrun ) = $ 24,000,600 They already know this is only a 6 month job .
On Jan 1 2010 and dig up a section of road , to indicate that they are actually working .
They park equipment on it ( which necessitates the fees , since that equipment can not be used elsewhere ) , place cones , etc , etc .
They spend a few weeks accomplishing this .
Traffic backs up .
People get mad .
Stuff does n't happen .
Every few months , you 'll see a little bit of work being done , but you never see any notable progress .
Then comes April 30 , 2015 .
An amazing flurry of construction begins .
If they 're lucky , they do n't have any unexpected problems ( weather , increases in costs , etc ) , and by Dec 20 , 2015 they 've completed the job .
Everyone goes home and has a nice holiday with their families .
What really came of that ?
A contracted paid on a day basis should have run for approx 150 days of continued work .
Still , that was a $ 2,307,750 job .
Yet , the taxpayers still paid the $ 20,000,000 for the work to be accomplished .
That , my son , is where your tax dollars go .
It 's not a mistake , or any sort of laziness by anyone in the system .
It 's simply the way it works .
And why did n't they go for the $ 24,000,600 goal ?
There may be something in the contract which would limit them from participating in future contracts if x \ % of previous contracts were overruns .
It 's a short term gain , but a long term loss .
Sure , an extra $ 4 million in my company sounds good , but why not take another $ 20 million contract that only really costs about $ 2.3 million .
That $ 17.7 million profit sounds really nice .
I serious oversimplified this .
There are some factors like surveying ; procurement of materials ; re-engineering various aspects ; finding Indian burial grounds along the proposed route ; special interest groups tying things up with lawsuits and petitions ( oh god , who gives a heck about the spotted red-headed cocksucker ?
) ; or a billion other things that can go wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
  Budgets are a wonderful thing.
If you've ever known anyone who works with the government, you'll have heard of it in action.
Say a department is budgeted $1,000,000 USD (a low number by gov't standards).
Now say that they've spent $750,000 USD by the end of the month, quarter, or fiscal year depending on the period of that budget.
They have two choices.
Either they can say "Oh, our job only really requires $750,000", and that's what will be budgeted for the next period, or they can spend the money on something (within guidelines, of course).
They'll have "the following 20 people will be off at training for the next 3 weeks", which of course not only covers the outrageously priced training, but air fare, and per diem.
They may have a new round of desktop and network upgrades.
They may find it is time to retire several vehicles from the motor pool.
Maybe they came in under budget because they are actually behind on the projects.
Time to hire 20 new people.
I thought it was a joke when I heard about contracts for road construction.
Over the years, it has become abundantly obvious that it is no joke.
The way many road construction contracts go is like this.
The companies bid at a rather high rate, to get it done in at least 2x the time required.
The companies don't undercut each other by much.
They all want the lucrative contract.
Of course, there's enough included to help out with kickbacks and other assorted favors.
Oh, did I say that last part?
No, that never happens in the gov't at any level.
So, back to the story.
The job will read that it must start by Jan 1 of 2010, and be completed by Jan 1 of 2015.
They get paid $15,385 for every day during the construction period, and get a $100,000 incentive if they complete it by Jan 1 2014.
The company who won the contract looks at it and realized:
 $15,385 * 1300 days  = $20,000,500
 ($15,385 * 1040 days) + $100,000 = 16,100,400
 or
 $15,385 * (1300 days + 260 days overrun) = $24,000,600
 They already know this is only a 6 month job.
On Jan 1 2010 and dig up a section of road, to indicate that they are actually working.
They park equipment on it (which necessitates the fees, since that equipment cannot be used elsewhere), place cones, etc, etc.
They spend a few weeks accomplishing this.
Traffic backs up.
People get mad.
Stuff doesn't happen.
Every few months, you'll see a little bit of work being done, but you never see any notable progress.
Then comes April 30, 2015.
An amazing flurry of construction begins.
If they're lucky, they don't have any unexpected problems (weather, increases in costs, etc), and by Dec 20, 2015 they've completed the job.
Everyone goes home and has a nice holiday with their families.
What really came of that?
A contracted paid on a day basis should have run for approx 150 days of continued work.
Still, that was a $2,307,750 job.
Yet, the taxpayers still paid the $20,000,000 for the work to be accomplished.
That, my son, is where your tax dollars go.
It's not a mistake, or any sort of laziness by anyone in the system.
It's simply the way it works.
And why didn't they go for the $24,000,600 goal?
There may be something in the contract which would limit them from participating in future contracts if x\% of previous contracts were overruns.
It's a short term gain, but a long term loss.
Sure, an extra $4 million in my company sounds good, but why not take another $20 million contract that only really costs about $2.3 million.
That $17.7 million profit sounds really nice.
I serious oversimplified this.
There are some factors like surveying; procurement of materials; re-engineering various aspects; finding Indian burial grounds along the proposed route; special interest groups tying things up with lawsuits and petitions (oh god, who gives a heck about the spotted red-headed cocksucker?
); or a billion other things that can go wrong.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667185</id>
	<title>Re:This is great!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247412840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>FLOSS coders at least want <b>recognition</b>. Not everyone, but many do. Who has said "thanks" to them, who has said "this would not be possible without works of so-and-so"? That's what coders want, at the very least. Apple acknowledges FreeBSD's work. Did the US Government?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FLOSS coders at least want recognition .
Not everyone , but many do .
Who has said " thanks " to them , who has said " this would not be possible without works of so-and-so " ?
That 's what coders want , at the very least .
Apple acknowledges FreeBSD 's work .
Did the US Government ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FLOSS coders at least want recognition.
Not everyone, but many do.
Who has said "thanks" to them, who has said "this would not be possible without works of so-and-so"?
That's what coders want, at the very least.
Apple acknowledges FreeBSD's work.
Did the US Government?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667153</id>
	<title>Re:Not News by any stretch...</title>
	<author>Oswald</author>
	<datestamp>1247412480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I looked for an F'n article to read, but couldn't find one. It looks more like one person putting together an opinion to post on Slashdot....</p></div></blockquote><p>Exactly.  Just some clown with an AOL email (are they suddenly retro chic?) trolling.  How it got to the front page I cannot imagine.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I looked for an F'n article to read , but could n't find one .
It looks more like one person putting together an opinion to post on Slashdot....Exactly .
Just some clown with an AOL email ( are they suddenly retro chic ?
) trolling .
How it got to the front page I can not imagine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I looked for an F'n article to read, but couldn't find one.
It looks more like one person putting together an opinion to post on Slashdot....Exactly.
Just some clown with an AOL email (are they suddenly retro chic?
) trolling.
How it got to the front page I cannot imagine.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667101</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667969</id>
	<title>This is a Good Thing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247420040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The site is running <a href="http://httpd.apache.org/" title="apache.org">Apache</a> [apache.org] on <a href="http://www.redhat.com/" title="redhat.com">Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5</a> [redhat.com], and it looks like <a href="http://drupal.org/" title="drupal.org">Drupal</a> [drupal.org] running on <a href="http://www.php.net/" title="php.net">PHP</a> [php.net].  What more do you want?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The site is running Apache [ apache.org ] on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 [ redhat.com ] , and it looks like Drupal [ drupal.org ] running on PHP [ php.net ] .
What more do you want ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The site is running Apache [apache.org] on Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5 [redhat.com], and it looks like Drupal [drupal.org] running on PHP [php.net].
What more do you want?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28666933</id>
	<title>Not impressed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247408880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looking at the <a href="http://it.usaspending.gov/?q=node\%2F359&amp;calctype=sa&amp;agency\_id=024&amp;Submit=Go&amp;calctype=sa" title="usaspending.gov" rel="nofollow">Dashboard</a> [usaspending.gov], I just see pretty charts and graphs with vague things like "Normal", "Needs Attention", and "Significant Concerns" with percentages.</p><p>I would like to see dollar figures and <i>who</i> is actually getting the money. For example, I want to be able to click on the red "Significant Concerns" and see exactly <i>why</i> that's the case.</p><p>My second point: if you F/OSS folks don't like your creations being used by folks and not getting credit or money, then you should put explicit terms in your license that state what exactly you demand. People are not mind readers and just throwing it out on the net with some sort of GPL license and expect folks to just give you money or credit isn't going to happen: you have to demand it. Whining about it on Slashdot doesn't count.</p><p>P.S. To whoever wrote this edit box script: you suck!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looking at the Dashboard [ usaspending.gov ] , I just see pretty charts and graphs with vague things like " Normal " , " Needs Attention " , and " Significant Concerns " with percentages.I would like to see dollar figures and who is actually getting the money .
For example , I want to be able to click on the red " Significant Concerns " and see exactly why that 's the case.My second point : if you F/OSS folks do n't like your creations being used by folks and not getting credit or money , then you should put explicit terms in your license that state what exactly you demand .
People are not mind readers and just throwing it out on the net with some sort of GPL license and expect folks to just give you money or credit is n't going to happen : you have to demand it .
Whining about it on Slashdot does n't count.P.S .
To whoever wrote this edit box script : you suck !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looking at the Dashboard [usaspending.gov], I just see pretty charts and graphs with vague things like "Normal", "Needs Attention", and "Significant Concerns" with percentages.I would like to see dollar figures and who is actually getting the money.
For example, I want to be able to click on the red "Significant Concerns" and see exactly why that's the case.My second point: if you F/OSS folks don't like your creations being used by folks and not getting credit or money, then you should put explicit terms in your license that state what exactly you demand.
People are not mind readers and just throwing it out on the net with some sort of GPL license and expect folks to just give you money or credit isn't going to happen: you have to demand it.
Whining about it on Slashdot doesn't count.P.S.
To whoever wrote this edit box script: you suck!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28673865</id>
	<title>Re:This is great!</title>
	<author>nacturation</author>
	<datestamp>1247481600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So, now that I did, I have an additional question: where are the "usual copyright and attribution statements"? Where are they on the site? I can't see them. Please help this emo kid.</p></div><p>If the terms of the license aren't being adhered to, then that's legitimate reason to complain.  And yes, it is nice to give credit even when it's not required.  What's not legitimate is complaining that someone's not pandering to an emotional need for recognition.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So , now that I did , I have an additional question : where are the " usual copyright and attribution statements " ?
Where are they on the site ?
I ca n't see them .
Please help this emo kid.If the terms of the license are n't being adhered to , then that 's legitimate reason to complain .
And yes , it is nice to give credit even when it 's not required .
What 's not legitimate is complaining that someone 's not pandering to an emotional need for recognition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, now that I did, I have an additional question: where are the "usual copyright and attribution statements"?
Where are they on the site?
I can't see them.
Please help this emo kid.If the terms of the license aren't being adhered to, then that's legitimate reason to complain.
And yes, it is nice to give credit even when it's not required.
What's not legitimate is complaining that someone's not pandering to an emotional need for recognition.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28670995</id>
	<title>Re:Alternatives to licensing fees?</title>
	<author>glitch23</author>
	<datestamp>1247403720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Even if the software is free, it would be reassuring to see the government encourage further development by offering the coders behind these libraries some sort of honorarium - a public recognition that their work is being used for big things. Even if it's the slap-in-the-face One Dollar honorarium, public acknowledgement is big.</p></div><p>Open source is used in many places throughout the government. This is just one website for one department of the government. It is good that OSS works for them in this case but why publicly recognize the coders or the contractors who put all the components together to make the website what it is? This was a job just like any other contract job. Why recognize the contractors in this case but no others throughout the other departments of the government that hire contractors who end up using OSS in their designs? I don't expect public recognition for any OSS that I deploy as a contractor for the DOJ so what is so special about these contractors?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if the software is free , it would be reassuring to see the government encourage further development by offering the coders behind these libraries some sort of honorarium - a public recognition that their work is being used for big things .
Even if it 's the slap-in-the-face One Dollar honorarium , public acknowledgement is big.Open source is used in many places throughout the government .
This is just one website for one department of the government .
It is good that OSS works for them in this case but why publicly recognize the coders or the contractors who put all the components together to make the website what it is ?
This was a job just like any other contract job .
Why recognize the contractors in this case but no others throughout the other departments of the government that hire contractors who end up using OSS in their designs ?
I do n't expect public recognition for any OSS that I deploy as a contractor for the DOJ so what is so special about these contractors ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if the software is free, it would be reassuring to see the government encourage further development by offering the coders behind these libraries some sort of honorarium - a public recognition that their work is being used for big things.
Even if it's the slap-in-the-face One Dollar honorarium, public acknowledgement is big.Open source is used in many places throughout the government.
This is just one website for one department of the government.
It is good that OSS works for them in this case but why publicly recognize the coders or the contractors who put all the components together to make the website what it is?
This was a job just like any other contract job.
Why recognize the contractors in this case but no others throughout the other departments of the government that hire contractors who end up using OSS in their designs?
I don't expect public recognition for any OSS that I deploy as a contractor for the DOJ so what is so special about these contractors?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667571</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28668625</id>
	<title>It isn't paying for the code.</title>
	<author>v(*\_*)vvvv</author>
	<datestamp>1247426580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These contractors don't get paid 18 million dollars for a web site for nothing. It's called sales and marketing. It is something free coders never have, and it can get very dirty. But it is highly rewarding, as can be seen by all these contractors being awarded absurd amounts of money for code they didn't write, and shit that's worthless. That is why the government shouldn't decide what the people want. They should never be allowed to go shopping, because they do not have a budget, in the normal sense.</p><p>Case in point, if any of this came out of their own pockets, none of these purchases would be made.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These contractors do n't get paid 18 million dollars for a web site for nothing .
It 's called sales and marketing .
It is something free coders never have , and it can get very dirty .
But it is highly rewarding , as can be seen by all these contractors being awarded absurd amounts of money for code they did n't write , and shit that 's worthless .
That is why the government should n't decide what the people want .
They should never be allowed to go shopping , because they do not have a budget , in the normal sense.Case in point , if any of this came out of their own pockets , none of these purchases would be made .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These contractors don't get paid 18 million dollars for a web site for nothing.
It's called sales and marketing.
It is something free coders never have, and it can get very dirty.
But it is highly rewarding, as can be seen by all these contractors being awarded absurd amounts of money for code they didn't write, and shit that's worthless.
That is why the government shouldn't decide what the people want.
They should never be allowed to go shopping, because they do not have a budget, in the normal sense.Case in point, if any of this came out of their own pockets, none of these purchases would be made.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28666923</id>
	<title>beep</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247408640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i'm an unpaid, unsung, uncoded coder.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i 'm an unpaid , unsung , uncoded coder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i'm an unpaid, unsung, uncoded coder.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667039</id>
	<title>More money for an entirely corrupt office!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247410380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005683.html" title="sepiamutiny.com" rel="nofollow">FBI Raids Office of Vivek Kundra, DC CTO</a> [sepiamutiny.com]</p><p>No, Kundra wasn't found to be corrupt.  But everyone else in his office was.</p><p>Imagine that.</p><p><b>CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!!</b></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FBI Raids Office of Vivek Kundra , DC CTO [ sepiamutiny.com ] No , Kundra was n't found to be corrupt .
But everyone else in his office was.Imagine that.CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FBI Raids Office of Vivek Kundra, DC CTO [sepiamutiny.com]No, Kundra wasn't found to be corrupt.
But everyone else in his office was.Imagine that.CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667493</id>
	<title>Re:This is great!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247415960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And I guess that in the future I should read what I reply to better.<br>
<br>
So, now that I did, I have an additional question: where are the "usual copyright and attribution statements"? Where are they on the site? I can't see them. Please help this emo kid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And I guess that in the future I should read what I reply to better .
So , now that I did , I have an additional question : where are the " usual copyright and attribution statements " ?
Where are they on the site ?
I ca n't see them .
Please help this emo kid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I guess that in the future I should read what I reply to better.
So, now that I did, I have an additional question: where are the "usual copyright and attribution statements"?
Where are they on the site?
I can't see them.
Please help this emo kid.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667371</id>
	<title>Good to see OSS get some attention</title>
	<author>htdrifter</author>
	<datestamp>1247414640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Three OSS projects were used to build an application for the Gov that everyone can use and evaluate.  The White House is using OSS.  That is a step forward.  The creators of the packages can put this on there resumes.  Business see this and OSS becomes more acceptable.  I read this and find three packages used in a working app that can be evaluated on-line.   I will definitely look into how I can use these packages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Three OSS projects were used to build an application for the Gov that everyone can use and evaluate .
The White House is using OSS .
That is a step forward .
The creators of the packages can put this on there resumes .
Business see this and OSS becomes more acceptable .
I read this and find three packages used in a working app that can be evaluated on-line .
I will definitely look into how I can use these packages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Three OSS projects were used to build an application for the Gov that everyone can use and evaluate.
The White House is using OSS.
That is a step forward.
The creators of the packages can put this on there resumes.
Business see this and OSS becomes more acceptable.
I read this and find three packages used in a working app that can be evaluated on-line.
I will definitely look into how I can use these packages.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_1127253.28667571</id>
	<title>Alternatives to licensing fees?</title>
	<author>Redfeather</author>
	<datestamp>1247416620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even if the software is free, it would be reassuring to see the government encourage further development by offering the coders behind these libraries some sort of honorarium - a public recognition that their work is being used for big things. Even if it's the slap-in-the-face One Dollar honorarium, public acknowledgement is big.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if the software is free , it would be reassuring to see the government encourage further development by offering the coders behind these libraries some sort of honorarium - a public recognition that their work is being used for big things .
Even if it 's the slap-in-the-face One Dollar honorarium , public acknowledgement is big .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if the software is free, it would be reassuring to see the government encourage further development by offering the coders behind these libraries some sort of honorarium - a public recognition that their work is being used for big things.
Even if it's the slap-in-the-face One Dollar honorarium, public acknowledgement is big.</sentencetext>
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