<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_12_0354212</id>
	<title>Plastic Circuits Designed To Enable Tough, Green Computers</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1247421000000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>DanS writes <i>"Computerworld has an article about two Australian engineers who have invented <a href="http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/310730/plastic\_circuits\_make\_tougher\_greener\_computers">'Circuits in Plastic' technology</a>. CIP designs aim to be more environmentally friendly than traditional circuits as they can be made from recycled plastic, don't contain any hazardous substances, and since packaging is part of the base circuit board, there is no need for additional packaging material. As an added bonus, different 3D shaped circuits can be made using CIP, which are also waterproof. No more ruining cell phones by getting them wet! The hope is that the technology will reduce the amount of toxic electronic waste in landfills, as even with lead-free technology, etching of existing printed circuit boards (and disposal of the chemicals) is a significant issue during manufacturing."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>DanS writes " Computerworld has an article about two Australian engineers who have invented 'Circuits in Plastic ' technology .
CIP designs aim to be more environmentally friendly than traditional circuits as they can be made from recycled plastic , do n't contain any hazardous substances , and since packaging is part of the base circuit board , there is no need for additional packaging material .
As an added bonus , different 3D shaped circuits can be made using CIP , which are also waterproof .
No more ruining cell phones by getting them wet !
The hope is that the technology will reduce the amount of toxic electronic waste in landfills , as even with lead-free technology , etching of existing printed circuit boards ( and disposal of the chemicals ) is a significant issue during manufacturing .
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<sentencetext>DanS writes "Computerworld has an article about two Australian engineers who have invented 'Circuits in Plastic' technology.
CIP designs aim to be more environmentally friendly than traditional circuits as they can be made from recycled plastic, don't contain any hazardous substances, and since packaging is part of the base circuit board, there is no need for additional packaging material.
As an added bonus, different 3D shaped circuits can be made using CIP, which are also waterproof.
No more ruining cell phones by getting them wet!
The hope is that the technology will reduce the amount of toxic electronic waste in landfills, as even with lead-free technology, etching of existing printed circuit boards (and disposal of the chemicals) is a significant issue during manufacturing.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28667695</id>
	<title>Does it biodegrade?</title>
	<author>TheSlashaway</author>
	<datestamp>1247417520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does the circuit board biodegrade over time?  If so, it's a manufacturer's dream!  We can keep selling over and over!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does the circuit board biodegrade over time ?
If so , it 's a manufacturer 's dream !
We can keep selling over and over !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does the circuit board biodegrade over time?
If so, it's a manufacturer's dream!
We can keep selling over and over!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28668665</id>
	<title>Re:a few downsides</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247426940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"...the resulting hunks of plastic are going to be much more difficult to recycle than components laid out on a PCB..."</p><p>Direct from the article: "At the end of the circuit's life the components are mechanically disassembled and recycled which means a lower carbon footprint compared with the shredding and incineration of traditional circuits."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" ...the resulting hunks of plastic are going to be much more difficult to recycle than components laid out on a PCB... " Direct from the article : " At the end of the circuit 's life the components are mechanically disassembled and recycled which means a lower carbon footprint compared with the shredding and incineration of traditional circuits .
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<sentencetext>"...the resulting hunks of plastic are going to be much more difficult to recycle than components laid out on a PCB..."Direct from the article: "At the end of the circuit's life the components are mechanically disassembled and recycled which means a lower carbon footprint compared with the shredding and incineration of traditional circuits.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28666455</id>
	<title>Re:"No more ruining cell phones by getting them we</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1247400180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>More to the point, what current cellphones are damaged by getting them a bit wet?  Quite a few people I know have dropped their phones into puddle, down drains, and (in one case) into the toilet and had them work.  One person I know dropped his phone in the sea.  He needed to wash it off with fresh water to make sure there was no salt corroding the circuits and then leave it to dry before turning it back on, but that was all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>More to the point , what current cellphones are damaged by getting them a bit wet ?
Quite a few people I know have dropped their phones into puddle , down drains , and ( in one case ) into the toilet and had them work .
One person I know dropped his phone in the sea .
He needed to wash it off with fresh water to make sure there was no salt corroding the circuits and then leave it to dry before turning it back on , but that was all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>More to the point, what current cellphones are damaged by getting them a bit wet?
Quite a few people I know have dropped their phones into puddle, down drains, and (in one case) into the toilet and had them work.
One person I know dropped his phone in the sea.
He needed to wash it off with fresh water to make sure there was no salt corroding the circuits and then leave it to dry before turning it back on, but that was all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28665907</id>
	<title>Re:What about heat extraction?</title>
	<author>Anenome</author>
	<datestamp>1247430720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about an alcohol bladder/membrane surrounding hot parts and cool parts providing a heat exchange. Alcohol is an incredible heat conductor, cheap, and plays nicely with plastic. Even plastic won't melt if there's a liquid medium in contact.</p><p>Here's an example: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuMl2Stgq8o&amp;feature=related" title="youtube.com">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuMl2Stgq8o&amp;feature=related</a> [youtube.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about an alcohol bladder/membrane surrounding hot parts and cool parts providing a heat exchange .
Alcohol is an incredible heat conductor , cheap , and plays nicely with plastic .
Even plastic wo n't melt if there 's a liquid medium in contact.Here 's an example : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = WuMl2Stgq8o&amp;feature = related [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about an alcohol bladder/membrane surrounding hot parts and cool parts providing a heat exchange.
Alcohol is an incredible heat conductor, cheap, and plays nicely with plastic.
Even plastic won't melt if there's a liquid medium in contact.Here's an example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuMl2Stgq8o&amp;feature=related [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28665707</id>
	<title>"No more ruining cell phones by getting them wet!"</title>
	<author>the\_raptor</author>
	<datestamp>1247339700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So the battery is encased in plastic as well and thus can't be recharged by an external connection?</p><p>There are also no other external connectors like headphone jacks or USB ports?</p><p>There are plenty of technologies to waterproof electronics, they are just limited by the above inconveniences. The reason that the traditional circuit manufacturing technique is so environmentally unfriendly is because it is incredibly cheap. There are all sorts of ways it could be made more environmentally sound (like not shipping "recycled" electronics to Africa/China to be broken up by children), but it is not going to happen without significant market or government intervention.</p><p>And plastics aren't that great environmentally to begin with, even if they contain significant amounts of recycled material.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the battery is encased in plastic as well and thus ca n't be recharged by an external connection ? There are also no other external connectors like headphone jacks or USB ports ? There are plenty of technologies to waterproof electronics , they are just limited by the above inconveniences .
The reason that the traditional circuit manufacturing technique is so environmentally unfriendly is because it is incredibly cheap .
There are all sorts of ways it could be made more environmentally sound ( like not shipping " recycled " electronics to Africa/China to be broken up by children ) , but it is not going to happen without significant market or government intervention.And plastics are n't that great environmentally to begin with , even if they contain significant amounts of recycled material .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the battery is encased in plastic as well and thus can't be recharged by an external connection?There are also no other external connectors like headphone jacks or USB ports?There are plenty of technologies to waterproof electronics, they are just limited by the above inconveniences.
The reason that the traditional circuit manufacturing technique is so environmentally unfriendly is because it is incredibly cheap.
There are all sorts of ways it could be made more environmentally sound (like not shipping "recycled" electronics to Africa/China to be broken up by children), but it is not going to happen without significant market or government intervention.And plastics aren't that great environmentally to begin with, even if they contain significant amounts of recycled material.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28666391</id>
	<title>Maybe I'm wrong but...</title>
	<author>Decker-Mage</author>
	<datestamp>1247398800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't think anyone else has bothered to put together several interesting recent developments.  For power you use the cadmium-salt nanotech solar cell tech, on either side, the base is this five-layer circuitry, the display would be liquid paper, possibly, or perhaps OLED, or both, and toss in the recent Apple patents-pending for an improved touch interface.  Oh, yes, perhaps you could also tap into the body's natural electrical field and heat for additional power.  Add a wireless visor display, subdermal voice communications as well.Numerous kinks to work out, de-glitch, etc., but do-able, very do-able.  Flexible bracelet form, natch.  The flexipad is born (from the <i>Axis of Time</i> series by John Birmingham).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't think anyone else has bothered to put together several interesting recent developments .
For power you use the cadmium-salt nanotech solar cell tech , on either side , the base is this five-layer circuitry , the display would be liquid paper , possibly , or perhaps OLED , or both , and toss in the recent Apple patents-pending for an improved touch interface .
Oh , yes , perhaps you could also tap into the body 's natural electrical field and heat for additional power .
Add a wireless visor display , subdermal voice communications as well.Numerous kinks to work out , de-glitch , etc. , but do-able , very do-able .
Flexible bracelet form , natch .
The flexipad is born ( from the Axis of Time series by John Birmingham ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't think anyone else has bothered to put together several interesting recent developments.
For power you use the cadmium-salt nanotech solar cell tech, on either side, the base is this five-layer circuitry, the display would be liquid paper, possibly, or perhaps OLED, or both, and toss in the recent Apple patents-pending for an improved touch interface.
Oh, yes, perhaps you could also tap into the body's natural electrical field and heat for additional power.
Add a wireless visor display, subdermal voice communications as well.Numerous kinks to work out, de-glitch, etc., but do-able, very do-able.
Flexible bracelet form, natch.
The flexipad is born (from the Axis of Time series by John Birmingham).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28667283</id>
	<title>Re:a few downsides</title>
	<author>CAIMLAS</author>
	<datestamp>1247413680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>[quote]Prototyping will be more difficult. If you discover a fatal bug in a non-trivial circuit, it can't be jumpered or otherwise worked around easily.[/quote]</p><p>Why not just prototype on PCB, then?</p><p>[quote]Calling it a "green" technology is insidious.[/quote]</p><p>Agreed and seconded! most "green" technology is just that: insidious. It's not green at all (and often, arguably not as 'green' as what it's replacing). Cases in point: E85/ethanol, biodiesel, lithium-powered cars, solar and lead-acid battery "green" power, and so on. All lies, on account of all the components involved taking a huge resource investment, and being very hard on the environment.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ quote ] Prototyping will be more difficult .
If you discover a fatal bug in a non-trivial circuit , it ca n't be jumpered or otherwise worked around easily .
[ /quote ] Why not just prototype on PCB , then ?
[ quote ] Calling it a " green " technology is insidious .
[ /quote ] Agreed and seconded !
most " green " technology is just that : insidious .
It 's not green at all ( and often , arguably not as 'green ' as what it 's replacing ) .
Cases in point : E85/ethanol , biodiesel , lithium-powered cars , solar and lead-acid battery " green " power , and so on .
All lies , on account of all the components involved taking a huge resource investment , and being very hard on the environment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[quote]Prototyping will be more difficult.
If you discover a fatal bug in a non-trivial circuit, it can't be jumpered or otherwise worked around easily.
[/quote]Why not just prototype on PCB, then?
[quote]Calling it a "green" technology is insidious.
[/quote]Agreed and seconded!
most "green" technology is just that: insidious.
It's not green at all (and often, arguably not as 'green' as what it's replacing).
Cases in point: E85/ethanol, biodiesel, lithium-powered cars, solar and lead-acid battery "green" power, and so on.
All lies, on account of all the components involved taking a huge resource investment, and being very hard on the environment.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28666099</id>
	<title>How do they interconnect the devices?</title>
	<author>Hank the Lion</author>
	<datestamp>1247392740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I cannot find anywhere how this system interconnects the components.<br>They write about the issues of current technology (solder containing lead, chemicals for etching PCB boards), but don't give an insight how their technology works around these problems. Encasing your whole device in plastic is neat, but the components will still have to be interconnected.<br>How? I cannot find it in the article, nor on the site of Griffith University.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can not find anywhere how this system interconnects the components.They write about the issues of current technology ( solder containing lead , chemicals for etching PCB boards ) , but do n't give an insight how their technology works around these problems .
Encasing your whole device in plastic is neat , but the components will still have to be interconnected.How ?
I can not find it in the article , nor on the site of Griffith University .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I cannot find anywhere how this system interconnects the components.They write about the issues of current technology (solder containing lead, chemicals for etching PCB boards), but don't give an insight how their technology works around these problems.
Encasing your whole device in plastic is neat, but the components will still have to be interconnected.How?
I cannot find it in the article, nor on the site of Griffith University.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28665861</id>
	<title>The inventors were on Australian television</title>
	<author>Biogenesis</author>
	<datestamp>1247429760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>If anybody is interested the two inventors of this technology where recently on the ABC's show "New Inventors".  The episode they were in is <a href="http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/tv/newinventors/vodcast/newinventors\_2009\_ep23.mp4" title="abc.net.au">here</a> [abc.net.au] (mp4 format). Or you can probably find the clip which has only their invention <a href="http://www.abc.net.au/tv/newinventors/video/" title="abc.net.au">here</a> [abc.net.au].</htmltext>
<tokenext>If anybody is interested the two inventors of this technology where recently on the ABC 's show " New Inventors " .
The episode they were in is here [ abc.net.au ] ( mp4 format ) .
Or you can probably find the clip which has only their invention here [ abc.net.au ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If anybody is interested the two inventors of this technology where recently on the ABC's show "New Inventors".
The episode they were in is here [abc.net.au] (mp4 format).
Or you can probably find the clip which has only their invention here [abc.net.au].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28666065</id>
	<title>Re:When can I start placing orders?</title>
	<author>home-electro.com</author>
	<datestamp>1247391900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't even start with RF. This could only work for simple low performance digital circuits. Screen printed conductors are too crappy for high-speed designs.</p><p>Of course authors forgot to mention that pretty much any circuit can be made waterproof by conformal coating or dipping into epoxy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't even start with RF .
This could only work for simple low performance digital circuits .
Screen printed conductors are too crappy for high-speed designs.Of course authors forgot to mention that pretty much any circuit can be made waterproof by conformal coating or dipping into epoxy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't even start with RF.
This could only work for simple low performance digital circuits.
Screen printed conductors are too crappy for high-speed designs.Of course authors forgot to mention that pretty much any circuit can be made waterproof by conformal coating or dipping into epoxy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28665963</id>
	<title>a few downsides</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247431800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Embedding electronic components and circuit pathways into hunks of plastic sounds like a fairly obvious evolutionary step up from the printed circuit board. If they can make the manufacturing process is cheap enough, I can't see why it wouldn't be the standard for consumer electronics in the foreseeable future.</p><p>Some downsides to consider:</p><p>Prototyping will be more difficult. If you discover a fatal bug in a non-trivial circuit, it can't be jumpered or otherwise worked around easily.</p><p>Calling it a "green" technology is insidious. Sure the manufacturing processes may involve fewer chemicals, but the resulting hunks of plastic are going to be much more difficult to recycle than components laid out on a PCB. The electronics industry is already a throw-away-when-obsolete economy, this will only help expand the concept further.</p><p>Hackers are going to have a much more difficult time modifying and repurposing their gear. You can't just solder and desolder the components and rewire things to make them do what you want. I guess many manufacturers will consider this a security feature (e.g., no more modchips on video game consoles). Reverse engineering hardware will also be more tricky. Where you might have needed a screwdriver before, you'll now need a drill.</p><p>Upsides to consider:</p><p>Building your own computer will basically be like playing with big Legos with drives, memory, and GPUs inside them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Embedding electronic components and circuit pathways into hunks of plastic sounds like a fairly obvious evolutionary step up from the printed circuit board .
If they can make the manufacturing process is cheap enough , I ca n't see why it would n't be the standard for consumer electronics in the foreseeable future.Some downsides to consider : Prototyping will be more difficult .
If you discover a fatal bug in a non-trivial circuit , it ca n't be jumpered or otherwise worked around easily.Calling it a " green " technology is insidious .
Sure the manufacturing processes may involve fewer chemicals , but the resulting hunks of plastic are going to be much more difficult to recycle than components laid out on a PCB .
The electronics industry is already a throw-away-when-obsolete economy , this will only help expand the concept further.Hackers are going to have a much more difficult time modifying and repurposing their gear .
You ca n't just solder and desolder the components and rewire things to make them do what you want .
I guess many manufacturers will consider this a security feature ( e.g. , no more modchips on video game consoles ) .
Reverse engineering hardware will also be more tricky .
Where you might have needed a screwdriver before , you 'll now need a drill.Upsides to consider : Building your own computer will basically be like playing with big Legos with drives , memory , and GPUs inside them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Embedding electronic components and circuit pathways into hunks of plastic sounds like a fairly obvious evolutionary step up from the printed circuit board.
If they can make the manufacturing process is cheap enough, I can't see why it wouldn't be the standard for consumer electronics in the foreseeable future.Some downsides to consider:Prototyping will be more difficult.
If you discover a fatal bug in a non-trivial circuit, it can't be jumpered or otherwise worked around easily.Calling it a "green" technology is insidious.
Sure the manufacturing processes may involve fewer chemicals, but the resulting hunks of plastic are going to be much more difficult to recycle than components laid out on a PCB.
The electronics industry is already a throw-away-when-obsolete economy, this will only help expand the concept further.Hackers are going to have a much more difficult time modifying and repurposing their gear.
You can't just solder and desolder the components and rewire things to make them do what you want.
I guess many manufacturers will consider this a security feature (e.g., no more modchips on video game consoles).
Reverse engineering hardware will also be more tricky.
Where you might have needed a screwdriver before, you'll now need a drill.Upsides to consider:Building your own computer will basically be like playing with big Legos with drives, memory, and GPUs inside them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28665687</id>
	<title>Recycling Circuits</title>
	<author>PoolOfThought</author>
	<datestamp>1247339340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to the article the circuits can be made from recycled plastic and then when they are ready to be retired the components of the circuits themselves can be recycled into new circuits. Seems like it really is a bit of a step up in several ways.<br>
<br>
Of course now our electronics will have to be added to the list of things we can't just throw away when they quit working. I mean... there's plastic IN there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the article the circuits can be made from recycled plastic and then when they are ready to be retired the components of the circuits themselves can be recycled into new circuits .
Seems like it really is a bit of a step up in several ways .
Of course now our electronics will have to be added to the list of things we ca n't just throw away when they quit working .
I mean... there 's plastic IN there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the article the circuits can be made from recycled plastic and then when they are ready to be retired the components of the circuits themselves can be recycled into new circuits.
Seems like it really is a bit of a step up in several ways.
Of course now our electronics will have to be added to the list of things we can't just throw away when they quit working.
I mean... there's plastic IN there.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28665785</id>
	<title>Re:switching is going to be a real bitch</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1247341260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>That really depends upon what the additional cost is once there is an economy of scale.  If it is not much more just putting a sticker on the front that says "green" may be enough.  Also if that $65 iPod now costs $8 instead of 80c to make but has the advantage of being splashproof there is still plenty of opportunity to sell a lot of them and make a profit.<br>Personally I hate the idea of using the blunt instrument of legislation - I think it's likely that such technology with find a niche without a requirement of special government protection.  Government protection can lead to such lame ducks as the US Sugar industry (undercut by corn syrup that actually costs more than sugar anywhere else), the US Steel industry (protected so no reason to be competative, then manufacturing jobs moved to where steel was cheaper and of higher quality), or the US vehicle industry (lower quality than Brazil at higher prices, which is bizzare since the same companies are producing excellent vehicles elsewhere).</htmltext>
<tokenext>That really depends upon what the additional cost is once there is an economy of scale .
If it is not much more just putting a sticker on the front that says " green " may be enough .
Also if that $ 65 iPod now costs $ 8 instead of 80c to make but has the advantage of being splashproof there is still plenty of opportunity to sell a lot of them and make a profit.Personally I hate the idea of using the blunt instrument of legislation - I think it 's likely that such technology with find a niche without a requirement of special government protection .
Government protection can lead to such lame ducks as the US Sugar industry ( undercut by corn syrup that actually costs more than sugar anywhere else ) , the US Steel industry ( protected so no reason to be competative , then manufacturing jobs moved to where steel was cheaper and of higher quality ) , or the US vehicle industry ( lower quality than Brazil at higher prices , which is bizzare since the same companies are producing excellent vehicles elsewhere ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That really depends upon what the additional cost is once there is an economy of scale.
If it is not much more just putting a sticker on the front that says "green" may be enough.
Also if that $65 iPod now costs $8 instead of 80c to make but has the advantage of being splashproof there is still plenty of opportunity to sell a lot of them and make a profit.Personally I hate the idea of using the blunt instrument of legislation - I think it's likely that such technology with find a niche without a requirement of special government protection.
Government protection can lead to such lame ducks as the US Sugar industry (undercut by corn syrup that actually costs more than sugar anywhere else), the US Steel industry (protected so no reason to be competative, then manufacturing jobs moved to where steel was cheaper and of higher quality), or the US vehicle industry (lower quality than Brazil at higher prices, which is bizzare since the same companies are producing excellent vehicles elsewhere).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28665775</id>
	<title>What about heat extraction?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247340960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If everything is enclosed in plastic how does the heat get out exactly?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If everything is enclosed in plastic how does the heat get out exactly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If everything is enclosed in plastic how does the heat get out exactly?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28665927</id>
	<title>Re:switching is going to be a real bitch</title>
	<author>rohan972</author>
	<datestamp>1247431200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If this process is going to be mainstream they'll have to get some kind of cost benefit attached, otherwise the only way there is going to be a switch is through legislation.</p></div><p>How about (from the summary):
<br> <i>No more ruining cell phones by getting them wet!</i> <br>
That's worth big dollars, particularly to people such as myself who do most of our work outdoors. I'd love to have feature parity on a truly waterproof smartphone, and am quite willing to pay.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If this process is going to be mainstream they 'll have to get some kind of cost benefit attached , otherwise the only way there is going to be a switch is through legislation.How about ( from the summary ) : No more ruining cell phones by getting them wet !
That 's worth big dollars , particularly to people such as myself who do most of our work outdoors .
I 'd love to have feature parity on a truly waterproof smartphone , and am quite willing to pay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this process is going to be mainstream they'll have to get some kind of cost benefit attached, otherwise the only way there is going to be a switch is through legislation.How about (from the summary):
 No more ruining cell phones by getting them wet!
That's worth big dollars, particularly to people such as myself who do most of our work outdoors.
I'd love to have feature parity on a truly waterproof smartphone, and am quite willing to pay.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28665695</id>
	<title>24</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247339460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now they can finally build the CIP firewall!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now they can finally build the CIP firewall !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now they can finally build the CIP firewall!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28665703</id>
	<title>Waterproof, i wonder...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247339700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How will they achieve this without encasing all the components in the plastic, even if the board conductors were all encased (it's not like the anti-solder screen [green stuff on the board] could not be made waterproof and I think it already is) at least some of the components simply cannot be (due to heat dissipation problems). I have made completely waterproof circuit boards (simple PWM stuff, they don't generate enough heat for it to be an issue), the only connectors are rated for underwater and the board encased with epoxy, not really repairable though...<br>
&nbsp; </p><p>So anyways, since some of the components must be exposed they will have exposed connectors ergo water getting in will short-circuit it.<br>
&nbsp; </p><p>I don't know if it would work to use only such active components that have connector-bar on the underside and then just encase it up to the sides but this would add significant cost (connectors themselves, size of components -&gt; board size...) and repair would still be out of the question.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How will they achieve this without encasing all the components in the plastic , even if the board conductors were all encased ( it 's not like the anti-solder screen [ green stuff on the board ] could not be made waterproof and I think it already is ) at least some of the components simply can not be ( due to heat dissipation problems ) .
I have made completely waterproof circuit boards ( simple PWM stuff , they do n't generate enough heat for it to be an issue ) , the only connectors are rated for underwater and the board encased with epoxy , not really repairable though.. .   So anyways , since some of the components must be exposed they will have exposed connectors ergo water getting in will short-circuit it .
  I do n't know if it would work to use only such active components that have connector-bar on the underside and then just encase it up to the sides but this would add significant cost ( connectors themselves , size of components - &gt; board size... ) and repair would still be out of the question .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How will they achieve this without encasing all the components in the plastic, even if the board conductors were all encased (it's not like the anti-solder screen [green stuff on the board] could not be made waterproof and I think it already is) at least some of the components simply cannot be (due to heat dissipation problems).
I have made completely waterproof circuit boards (simple PWM stuff, they don't generate enough heat for it to be an issue), the only connectors are rated for underwater and the board encased with epoxy, not really repairable though...
  So anyways, since some of the components must be exposed they will have exposed connectors ergo water getting in will short-circuit it.
  I don't know if it would work to use only such active components that have connector-bar on the underside and then just encase it up to the sides but this would add significant cost (connectors themselves, size of components -&gt; board size...) and repair would still be out of the question.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28665839</id>
	<title>Re:When can I start placing orders?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247429040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These guys were on a TV show called "The New Inventors" on ABC here in Australia. The functionality becomes limited at about 5 layers, at least that's what they said. The main concern is the size of the board, then again, you can use the board as the chassis without a worry with this tech.</p><p>It was interesting, but I don't see it in it's current form moving us ahead leaps and bounds. It's years from becoming usable I'd suspect.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These guys were on a TV show called " The New Inventors " on ABC here in Australia .
The functionality becomes limited at about 5 layers , at least that 's what they said .
The main concern is the size of the board , then again , you can use the board as the chassis without a worry with this tech.It was interesting , but I do n't see it in it 's current form moving us ahead leaps and bounds .
It 's years from becoming usable I 'd suspect .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These guys were on a TV show called "The New Inventors" on ABC here in Australia.
The functionality becomes limited at about 5 layers, at least that's what they said.
The main concern is the size of the board, then again, you can use the board as the chassis without a worry with this tech.It was interesting, but I don't see it in it's current form moving us ahead leaps and bounds.
It's years from becoming usable I'd suspect.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28670647</id>
	<title>plastics aren't that great environmentally to</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1247400240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>begin with</i></p><p>That all depends on what type of plastic it is and how it is made.  Perhaps you didn't know that before Du Pont received a patent on making <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nylon" title="wikipedia.org">nylon</a> [wikipedia.org] from synthetic polymers plastic was made from plants.  The old <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellophane" title="wikipedia.org">Cellophane</a> [wikipedia.org] plastic wrap was made from plant <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulose" title="wikipedia.org">cellulose</a> [wikipedia.org].  Kodak used to make <a href="http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?t=175193" title="dvxuser.com">film</a> [dvxuser.com] from cellulose.  Today <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioplastic" title="wikipedia.org">bioplastics</a> [wikipedia.org] are making a comeback.  Despite the recession, their <a href="http://www.icis.com/Articles/2009/06/29/9226987/bioplastic-market-expands-despite-recession.html" title="icis.com">market</a> [icis.com] is expanding.</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>begin withThat all depends on what type of plastic it is and how it is made .
Perhaps you did n't know that before Du Pont received a patent on making nylon [ wikipedia.org ] from synthetic polymers plastic was made from plants .
The old Cellophane [ wikipedia.org ] plastic wrap was made from plant cellulose [ wikipedia.org ] .
Kodak used to make film [ dvxuser.com ] from cellulose .
Today bioplastics [ wikipedia.org ] are making a comeback .
Despite the recession , their market [ icis.com ] is expanding .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>begin withThat all depends on what type of plastic it is and how it is made.
Perhaps you didn't know that before Du Pont received a patent on making nylon [wikipedia.org] from synthetic polymers plastic was made from plants.
The old Cellophane [wikipedia.org] plastic wrap was made from plant cellulose [wikipedia.org].
Kodak used to make film [dvxuser.com] from cellulose.
Today bioplastics [wikipedia.org] are making a comeback.
Despite the recession, their market [icis.com] is expanding.
Falcon</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28666229</id>
	<title>Re:When can I start placing orders?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247395260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if the inventors are black, or muslim (or both)?</p><p>Of course not. So what's YOUR country going to be like in twenty years' time, when 50\% of your population are non-white? Better, or worse?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if the inventors are black , or muslim ( or both ) ? Of course not .
So what 's YOUR country going to be like in twenty years ' time , when 50 \ % of your population are non-white ?
Better , or worse ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if the inventors are black, or muslim (or both)?Of course not.
So what's YOUR country going to be like in twenty years' time, when 50\% of your population are non-white?
Better, or worse?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28666033</id>
	<title>Content-free website</title>
	<author>XNormal</author>
	<datestamp>1247390880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The <a href="http://www.griffith.edu.au/engineering-information-technology/centre-wireless-monitoring-applications/research/circuits-in-plastic" title="griffith.edu.au">Griffith university site</a> [griffith.edu.au] has well over a dozen pages sparsely filled and with essentially zero technical information about this. Amazing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Griffith university site [ griffith.edu.au ] has well over a dozen pages sparsely filled and with essentially zero technical information about this .
Amazing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Griffith university site [griffith.edu.au] has well over a dozen pages sparsely filled and with essentially zero technical information about this.
Amazing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28666665</id>
	<title>Re:We already know how this ends</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1247403780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If <em>you</em> were an AI running Earth through numerous mobile terminals, would you even want humans around? They tend to make parts corrode when they get wrapped around your axles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you were an AI running Earth through numerous mobile terminals , would you even want humans around ?
They tend to make parts corrode when they get wrapped around your axles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you were an AI running Earth through numerous mobile terminals, would you even want humans around?
They tend to make parts corrode when they get wrapped around your axles.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28666173</id>
	<title>Green buzzword-compliance...</title>
	<author>mi</author>
	<datestamp>1247394360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The technology, if works as described, is perfectly awesome in itself &mdash; a way to build electronics, that's cheaper, water-proof, and needs no external casing. That it is <em>also</em> "greener" is a nice addition, but the editor's write-up over-emphasizes it, like it is <em>the most</em> important aspect. It simply is not...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The technology , if works as described , is perfectly awesome in itself    a way to build electronics , that 's cheaper , water-proof , and needs no external casing .
That it is also " greener " is a nice addition , but the editor 's write-up over-emphasizes it , like it is the most important aspect .
It simply is not.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The technology, if works as described, is perfectly awesome in itself — a way to build electronics, that's cheaper, water-proof, and needs no external casing.
That it is also "greener" is a nice addition, but the editor's write-up over-emphasizes it, like it is the most important aspect.
It simply is not...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28665779</id>
	<title>Maybe not</title>
	<author>P0ltergeist333</author>
	<datestamp>1247341140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One of the major reasons many businesses outsourced their electronics production was because of environmental and workplace safety issues due to the heavy metals and solvents used and left over. If widely adopted, this sort of thing could jump start a mini industrial revolution. I would think that re-usable components would reduce the cost of replacement parts on all electronic devices, especially with widespread adoption. Do you have any idea how many perfectly good resistors and capacitors lie in landfills? And the amount of chemical waste to produce those wasted components... Big business would have to be pretty ignorant to pass this one up if it works half as well as it appeared to on the video. Also, as someone who has worked in most aspects of electronics manufacture (PCB fab, IC fab, IC packaging, and SMD / through hole assembly and test from r&amp;d to mass production scales), I could see this process being more efficient and less costly than current SMD and PCB manufacturing. Hard to say for sure without finding out more, but this looks hopeful!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the major reasons many businesses outsourced their electronics production was because of environmental and workplace safety issues due to the heavy metals and solvents used and left over .
If widely adopted , this sort of thing could jump start a mini industrial revolution .
I would think that re-usable components would reduce the cost of replacement parts on all electronic devices , especially with widespread adoption .
Do you have any idea how many perfectly good resistors and capacitors lie in landfills ?
And the amount of chemical waste to produce those wasted components... Big business would have to be pretty ignorant to pass this one up if it works half as well as it appeared to on the video .
Also , as someone who has worked in most aspects of electronics manufacture ( PCB fab , IC fab , IC packaging , and SMD / through hole assembly and test from r&amp;d to mass production scales ) , I could see this process being more efficient and less costly than current SMD and PCB manufacturing .
Hard to say for sure without finding out more , but this looks hopeful !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the major reasons many businesses outsourced their electronics production was because of environmental and workplace safety issues due to the heavy metals and solvents used and left over.
If widely adopted, this sort of thing could jump start a mini industrial revolution.
I would think that re-usable components would reduce the cost of replacement parts on all electronic devices, especially with widespread adoption.
Do you have any idea how many perfectly good resistors and capacitors lie in landfills?
And the amount of chemical waste to produce those wasted components... Big business would have to be pretty ignorant to pass this one up if it works half as well as it appeared to on the video.
Also, as someone who has worked in most aspects of electronics manufacture (PCB fab, IC fab, IC packaging, and SMD / through hole assembly and test from r&amp;d to mass production scales), I could see this process being more efficient and less costly than current SMD and PCB manufacturing.
Hard to say for sure without finding out more, but this looks hopeful!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28665691</id>
	<title>We already know how this ends</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1247339400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the near future, we design artificial intelligence and put it to work for us. In fifty years, biodegradable robots packaged in ecofriendly human hide take over. This'll just make it easier for them to recycle their dead while we work in their salt mines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the near future , we design artificial intelligence and put it to work for us .
In fifty years , biodegradable robots packaged in ecofriendly human hide take over .
This 'll just make it easier for them to recycle their dead while we work in their salt mines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the near future, we design artificial intelligence and put it to work for us.
In fifty years, biodegradable robots packaged in ecofriendly human hide take over.
This'll just make it easier for them to recycle their dead while we work in their salt mines.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28666871</id>
	<title>It's cheaper</title>
	<author>SofaMan</author>
	<datestamp>1247407800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I saw this.  The designers claim it works out about 10\% cheaper than conventional PCBs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I saw this .
The designers claim it works out about 10 \ % cheaper than conventional PCBs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I saw this.
The designers claim it works out about 10\% cheaper than conventional PCBs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28665657</id>
	<title>When can I start placing orders?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247338740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd love to start using this tech in my prototypes.  The big question of course is how this stuff compares to an equivalently functional traditional PCB in price.</p><p>Another question that comes to mind has to do with the well established design principles used in RF level circuits.  Parasitic capacitance calculations and all of the nastiness that goes along with it will become even more like black magic now that it has crossed into the third dimension.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd love to start using this tech in my prototypes .
The big question of course is how this stuff compares to an equivalently functional traditional PCB in price.Another question that comes to mind has to do with the well established design principles used in RF level circuits .
Parasitic capacitance calculations and all of the nastiness that goes along with it will become even more like black magic now that it has crossed into the third dimension .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd love to start using this tech in my prototypes.
The big question of course is how this stuff compares to an equivalently functional traditional PCB in price.Another question that comes to mind has to do with the well established design principles used in RF level circuits.
Parasitic capacitance calculations and all of the nastiness that goes along with it will become even more like black magic now that it has crossed into the third dimension.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28665787</id>
	<title>Won't it blend?</title>
	<author>hoarier</author>
	<datestamp>1247341320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article tells us: <em>&ldquo;At the end of the circuit's life the components are mechanically disassembled and recycled which means a lower carbon footprint compared with the shredding and incineration of traditional circuits.&rdquo;</em> <br> <br>There's a link from that, too, but I don't see any specifics on this mechanical disassembly process. Just another task to be performed by the underpaid Chinese underclass, or would we actually be encouraged to pull our own elderly computers to bits?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article tells us :    At the end of the circuit 's life the components are mechanically disassembled and recycled which means a lower carbon footprint compared with the shredding and incineration of traditional circuits.    There 's a link from that , too , but I do n't see any specifics on this mechanical disassembly process .
Just another task to be performed by the underpaid Chinese underclass , or would we actually be encouraged to pull our own elderly computers to bits ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article tells us: “At the end of the circuit's life the components are mechanically disassembled and recycled which means a lower carbon footprint compared with the shredding and incineration of traditional circuits.”  There's a link from that, too, but I don't see any specifics on this mechanical disassembly process.
Just another task to be performed by the underpaid Chinese underclass, or would we actually be encouraged to pull our own elderly computers to bits?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28665941</id>
	<title>Re:When can I start placing orders?</title>
	<author>mrderm</author>
	<datestamp>1247431500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Prototypes? Only if you expect to get everything right first time. Rework would be impossible with the conductors and components inaccessible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Prototypes ?
Only if you expect to get everything right first time .
Rework would be impossible with the conductors and components inaccessible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Prototypes?
Only if you expect to get everything right first time.
Rework would be impossible with the conductors and components inaccessible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28672517</id>
	<title>Reduce waste by using more plastics? wtf?</title>
	<author>bronney</author>
	<datestamp>1247418960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The hope is that the technology will reduce the amount of toxic electronic waste in landfills</i><br>.<br>What in the sechs is that?? Plastic is already killing out planet and using more will help?  Wow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The hope is that the technology will reduce the amount of toxic electronic waste in landfills.What in the sechs is that ? ?
Plastic is already killing out planet and using more will help ?
Wow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The hope is that the technology will reduce the amount of toxic electronic waste in landfills.What in the sechs is that??
Plastic is already killing out planet and using more will help?
Wow.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28666433</id>
	<title>RepRap implications</title>
	<author>jnnnnn</author>
	<datestamp>1247399820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if the RepRap guys are excited about this.  This could be very good news for them, they are already trying to have the RepRap make circuits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if the RepRap guys are excited about this .
This could be very good news for them , they are already trying to have the RepRap make circuits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if the RepRap guys are excited about this.
This could be very good news for them, they are already trying to have the RepRap make circuits.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28666141</id>
	<title>Re:Recycling Circuits</title>
	<author>home-electro.com</author>
	<datestamp>1247393460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Recycling electronics components sounds like a good idea, but is unpractical. Components could could be recycled as a material source, that's all. Nobody will reuse the components in a new circuit.</p><p>And recycling them as a material is not much different from the current technology, where actually recycling them is MUCH more difficult than taking them out of the circuit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Recycling electronics components sounds like a good idea , but is unpractical .
Components could could be recycled as a material source , that 's all .
Nobody will reuse the components in a new circuit.And recycling them as a material is not much different from the current technology , where actually recycling them is MUCH more difficult than taking them out of the circuit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Recycling electronics components sounds like a good idea, but is unpractical.
Components could could be recycled as a material source, that's all.
Nobody will reuse the components in a new circuit.And recycling them as a material is not much different from the current technology, where actually recycling them is MUCH more difficult than taking them out of the circuit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_12_0354212.28665679</id>
	<title>switching is going to be a real bitch</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247339100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>If this process is going to be mainstream they'll have to get some kind of cost benefit attached, otherwise the only way there is going to be a switch is through legislation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this process is going to be mainstream they 'll have to get some kind of cost benefit attached , otherwise the only way there is going to be a switch is through legislation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this process is going to be mainstream they'll have to get some kind of cost benefit attached, otherwise the only way there is going to be a switch is through legislation.</sentencetext>
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	<title>saw this on tv the other day</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
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	<htmltext><p>http://www.abc.net.au/tv/newinventors/txt/s2616421.htm</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.abc.net.au/tv/newinventors/txt/s2616421.htm</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.abc.net.au/tv/newinventors/txt/s2616421.htm</sentencetext>
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