<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_11_1650219</id>
	<title>Behind the "My Location" Errors In Google Maps</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1247333400000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:wroush@xconomy.com" rel="nofollow">waderoush</a> writes <i>"Ever since Google added the 'My Location' feature this week to the desktop and laptop versions of Google Maps, allowing Firefox and Chrome users to see their current location on a map, <a href="http://www.xconomy.com/boston/2009/07/10/the-browser-geolocation-wars-skyhooks-ceo-on-why-google-maps-is-misreading-your-location/">people have been reporting bizarre location errors</a> &mdash; Manhattanites, for example, are being told by Google that they're in Austin, TX. Ted Morgan, the CEO of Boston-based location software provider Skyhook Wireless, talked about the problems in an interview Friday. Skyhook's Wi-Fi-based location-finding technology was passed over when Mozilla adopted Google's own location services toolkit for Firefox 3.5 in April; Morgan says that was unfortunate for Web app developers, because Google's 'crowdsourced' database of Wi-Fi access point locations is far less reliable than Skyhook's."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>waderoush writes " Ever since Google added the 'My Location ' feature this week to the desktop and laptop versions of Google Maps , allowing Firefox and Chrome users to see their current location on a map , people have been reporting bizarre location errors    Manhattanites , for example , are being told by Google that they 're in Austin , TX .
Ted Morgan , the CEO of Boston-based location software provider Skyhook Wireless , talked about the problems in an interview Friday .
Skyhook 's Wi-Fi-based location-finding technology was passed over when Mozilla adopted Google 's own location services toolkit for Firefox 3.5 in April ; Morgan says that was unfortunate for Web app developers , because Google 's 'crowdsourced ' database of Wi-Fi access point locations is far less reliable than Skyhook 's .
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<sentencetext>waderoush writes "Ever since Google added the 'My Location' feature this week to the desktop and laptop versions of Google Maps, allowing Firefox and Chrome users to see their current location on a map, people have been reporting bizarre location errors — Manhattanites, for example, are being told by Google that they're in Austin, TX.
Ted Morgan, the CEO of Boston-based location software provider Skyhook Wireless, talked about the problems in an interview Friday.
Skyhook's Wi-Fi-based location-finding technology was passed over when Mozilla adopted Google's own location services toolkit for Firefox 3.5 in April; Morgan says that was unfortunate for Web app developers, because Google's 'crowdsourced' database of Wi-Fi access point locations is far less reliable than Skyhook's.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28662379</id>
	<title>Re:Can't find My Location</title>
	<author>waderoush</author>
	<datestamp>1247343780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dalroth: The new My Location feature only works when you're visiting Google Maps using Firefox 3.5+ or Google Chrome 2.0+ (or any browser equipped with Google Gears).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dalroth : The new My Location feature only works when you 're visiting Google Maps using Firefox 3.5 + or Google Chrome 2.0 + ( or any browser equipped with Google Gears ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dalroth: The new My Location feature only works when you're visiting Google Maps using Firefox 3.5+ or Google Chrome 2.0+ (or any browser equipped with Google Gears).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661607</id>
	<title>Can't find My Location</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247338140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been looking in Google Maps for this mythical "My Location" feature and I can't seem to find it.  What am I doing wrong?  I've got my default location setup, but I'm pretty sure that's not what they referring to.</p><p>Bryan</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been looking in Google Maps for this mythical " My Location " feature and I ca n't seem to find it .
What am I doing wrong ?
I 've got my default location setup , but I 'm pretty sure that 's not what they referring to.Bryan</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been looking in Google Maps for this mythical "My Location" feature and I can't seem to find it.
What am I doing wrong?
I've got my default location setup, but I'm pretty sure that's not what they referring to.Bryan</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661551</id>
	<title>'crowdsourced'?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247337600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why is 'crowdsourced' in quotes? Is it crowdsourced or not? And if it is, which project is that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is 'crowdsourced ' in quotes ?
Is it crowdsourced or not ?
And if it is , which project is that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is 'crowdsourced' in quotes?
Is it crowdsourced or not?
And if it is, which project is that?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28662331</id>
	<title>Re:Remind me not to use Firefox 3.5!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247343480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed. I am not upgrading to 3 because of the horrific address bar, and now this! Where has the light, fast, sleek browser gone? Oh yeah, someone's pay at Mozilla is based on increasing the number of users, so chasing those IE users has become paramount. Hence the change in direction from a UNIX-esque philosophy to a hand-holding philosophy (happened between 1 and 2, I think).</p><p>Sooner or later there will be a bug in FF or someone else's implementation of this geolocation crap, and the browser could be spewing your location to anyone who wants it.</p><p>Advertisers will love this crap too, so expect unscrupulous ads to tell users how to turn off the geolocation warnings/prompts totally. Anything that an advertiser would like is never in an individual's interest (unless you are a brainwashed, simple, consumer).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
I am not upgrading to 3 because of the horrific address bar , and now this !
Where has the light , fast , sleek browser gone ?
Oh yeah , someone 's pay at Mozilla is based on increasing the number of users , so chasing those IE users has become paramount .
Hence the change in direction from a UNIX-esque philosophy to a hand-holding philosophy ( happened between 1 and 2 , I think ) .Sooner or later there will be a bug in FF or someone else 's implementation of this geolocation crap , and the browser could be spewing your location to anyone who wants it.Advertisers will love this crap too , so expect unscrupulous ads to tell users how to turn off the geolocation warnings/prompts totally .
Anything that an advertiser would like is never in an individual 's interest ( unless you are a brainwashed , simple , consumer ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed.
I am not upgrading to 3 because of the horrific address bar, and now this!
Where has the light, fast, sleek browser gone?
Oh yeah, someone's pay at Mozilla is based on increasing the number of users, so chasing those IE users has become paramount.
Hence the change in direction from a UNIX-esque philosophy to a hand-holding philosophy (happened between 1 and 2, I think).Sooner or later there will be a bug in FF or someone else's implementation of this geolocation crap, and the browser could be spewing your location to anyone who wants it.Advertisers will love this crap too, so expect unscrupulous ads to tell users how to turn off the geolocation warnings/prompts totally.
Anything that an advertiser would like is never in an individual's interest (unless you are a brainwashed, simple, consumer).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661645</id>
	<title>Google Groups Suffering A Similar Issue</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247338440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think that Google needs to look into its error management systems, as this isn't the only Google system to have trouble lately. Google Groups is having some major issues with the search engine- it's next to impossible to find things right now. Searches that should find information find nothing, and the advanced search is especially broken.</p><p>Google Groups search was especially useful in finding helpful information on older usenet posts, so it's unfortunate that this is the case. While I'm not saying the problems are related, I do feel that it speaks to a systemic issue that needs to be addressed- if both Google Maps and Google Groups are buggy, then what is being done to ensure this doesn't happen?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think that Google needs to look into its error management systems , as this is n't the only Google system to have trouble lately .
Google Groups is having some major issues with the search engine- it 's next to impossible to find things right now .
Searches that should find information find nothing , and the advanced search is especially broken.Google Groups search was especially useful in finding helpful information on older usenet posts , so it 's unfortunate that this is the case .
While I 'm not saying the problems are related , I do feel that it speaks to a systemic issue that needs to be addressed- if both Google Maps and Google Groups are buggy , then what is being done to ensure this does n't happen ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think that Google needs to look into its error management systems, as this isn't the only Google system to have trouble lately.
Google Groups is having some major issues with the search engine- it's next to impossible to find things right now.
Searches that should find information find nothing, and the advanced search is especially broken.Google Groups search was especially useful in finding helpful information on older usenet posts, so it's unfortunate that this is the case.
While I'm not saying the problems are related, I do feel that it speaks to a systemic issue that needs to be addressed- if both Google Maps and Google Groups are buggy, then what is being done to ensure this doesn't happen?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661821</id>
	<title>who cares...</title>
	<author>hitmark</author>
	<datestamp>1247339940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>get a gps dongle, and install google gears if your using firefox (tho i'm not sure if there is one for 3.5 yet), and get improved accuracy.</p><p>question is, when can one get automated routing to the nearest pizza place?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>get a gps dongle , and install google gears if your using firefox ( tho i 'm not sure if there is one for 3.5 yet ) , and get improved accuracy.question is , when can one get automated routing to the nearest pizza place ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>get a gps dongle, and install google gears if your using firefox (tho i'm not sure if there is one for 3.5 yet), and get improved accuracy.question is, when can one get automated routing to the nearest pizza place?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28666859</id>
	<title>Re:Skyhook's implementation really is inventive</title>
	<author>Mana Mana</author>
	<datestamp>1247407500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>``The initially war-drove around, mapping APs. Then when users connect to those APs in the database and query the location, they also send back a report on other nearby APs. This allows their database to grow and become more accurate over time, without them having to keep war-driving previously established areas.''</p><p>I don't know why you had to go ac on us---just saying, Ted^W.</p><p>I've heard of their technology, it was a few years ago when the suggestion that gps chipsets in smartphones was a fantasy; lookee what happened. Then there was Google's/others' eureka moment of not needing chipsets but just using and triangulating on cell towers for a position fix. Anyway.</p><p>The idea of wardriving the nation and its territories has always seemed so Yahoo directory manpower suicide. Once upon a time, kids, Yahoo had an army of humans categorizing the Net link by link, but Google ate their non-automated lunch soon enough. Ted's idea, not just his, is doomed to fail. Why bespoke a posfix dbase when you can assembly line and automateit!</p><p>Even with their idea of just seeding the thing, attracting and glomming others as time passes is so inefficient.</p><p>I use their Google Maps a hell of a lot, I always save time whereever I am by mapping from/to pairs by just using either my zip, or my home address if it's already in browser memorey. I took/take it as a given that my IP address is being mapped to my zip/address data. It's not hard for any shoulder surfer less so Google to infer where *I am*, and that I am going someplace else.</p><p>Add me, my bros, my dogs, and my mates searcheS over time and you can rate high accuracy over the medium/long term. WTF.</p><p>Do that ad naseum, ad infinitum, omnipresently and you are Magellan, babe. ^.^</p><p>Oi!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>` ` The initially war-drove around , mapping APs .
Then when users connect to those APs in the database and query the location , they also send back a report on other nearby APs .
This allows their database to grow and become more accurate over time , without them having to keep war-driving previously established areas .
''I do n't know why you had to go ac on us---just saying , Ted ^ W.I 've heard of their technology , it was a few years ago when the suggestion that gps chipsets in smartphones was a fantasy ; lookee what happened .
Then there was Google 's/others ' eureka moment of not needing chipsets but just using and triangulating on cell towers for a position fix .
Anyway.The idea of wardriving the nation and its territories has always seemed so Yahoo directory manpower suicide .
Once upon a time , kids , Yahoo had an army of humans categorizing the Net link by link , but Google ate their non-automated lunch soon enough .
Ted 's idea , not just his , is doomed to fail .
Why bespoke a posfix dbase when you can assembly line and automateit ! Even with their idea of just seeding the thing , attracting and glomming others as time passes is so inefficient.I use their Google Maps a hell of a lot , I always save time whereever I am by mapping from/to pairs by just using either my zip , or my home address if it 's already in browser memorey .
I took/take it as a given that my IP address is being mapped to my zip/address data .
It 's not hard for any shoulder surfer less so Google to infer where * I am * , and that I am going someplace else.Add me , my bros , my dogs , and my mates searcheS over time and you can rate high accuracy over the medium/long term .
WTF.Do that ad naseum , ad infinitum , omnipresently and you are Magellan , babe .
^ . ^ Oi !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>``The initially war-drove around, mapping APs.
Then when users connect to those APs in the database and query the location, they also send back a report on other nearby APs.
This allows their database to grow and become more accurate over time, without them having to keep war-driving previously established areas.
''I don't know why you had to go ac on us---just saying, Ted^W.I've heard of their technology, it was a few years ago when the suggestion that gps chipsets in smartphones was a fantasy; lookee what happened.
Then there was Google's/others' eureka moment of not needing chipsets but just using and triangulating on cell towers for a position fix.
Anyway.The idea of wardriving the nation and its territories has always seemed so Yahoo directory manpower suicide.
Once upon a time, kids, Yahoo had an army of humans categorizing the Net link by link, but Google ate their non-automated lunch soon enough.
Ted's idea, not just his, is doomed to fail.
Why bespoke a posfix dbase when you can assembly line and automateit!Even with their idea of just seeding the thing, attracting and glomming others as time passes is so inefficient.I use their Google Maps a hell of a lot, I always save time whereever I am by mapping from/to pairs by just using either my zip, or my home address if it's already in browser memorey.
I took/take it as a given that my IP address is being mapped to my zip/address data.
It's not hard for any shoulder surfer less so Google to infer where *I am*, and that I am going someplace else.Add me, my bros, my dogs, and my mates searcheS over time and you can rate high accuracy over the medium/long term.
WTF.Do that ad naseum, ad infinitum, omnipresently and you are Magellan, babe.
^.^Oi!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661887</id>
	<title>Not an Intractable Problem--It's Just a Bug</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247340540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a software developer myself, while still professional embarrassed at any bug that escapes into the wild, I know how today's modern software ecosystem has evolved: iteratively. This obvious defect--pinning the snobby effetes of Manhattan in the alcohol-immersed college town of Austin, Texas--seems almost fitting. Maybe Google My Location is on to something. As I write this, I think I'm in Manhattan but wait--all the license plates are white, with a red star. What's all that green stuff on the ground where there should be concrete and asphalt? Wait a second--where's the subway? (Oh, no local and state taxes = no subway.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a software developer myself , while still professional embarrassed at any bug that escapes into the wild , I know how today 's modern software ecosystem has evolved : iteratively .
This obvious defect--pinning the snobby effetes of Manhattan in the alcohol-immersed college town of Austin , Texas--seems almost fitting .
Maybe Google My Location is on to something .
As I write this , I think I 'm in Manhattan but wait--all the license plates are white , with a red star .
What 's all that green stuff on the ground where there should be concrete and asphalt ?
Wait a second--where 's the subway ?
( Oh , no local and state taxes = no subway .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a software developer myself, while still professional embarrassed at any bug that escapes into the wild, I know how today's modern software ecosystem has evolved: iteratively.
This obvious defect--pinning the snobby effetes of Manhattan in the alcohol-immersed college town of Austin, Texas--seems almost fitting.
Maybe Google My Location is on to something.
As I write this, I think I'm in Manhattan but wait--all the license plates are white, with a red star.
What's all that green stuff on the ground where there should be concrete and asphalt?
Wait a second--where's the subway?
(Oh, no local and state taxes = no subway.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661707</id>
	<title>Re:Can't find My Location</title>
	<author>auric\_dude</author>
	<datestamp>1247339040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Google  "My Location" feature is indeed hard to find and some also report having problems finding other G"spots"</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Google " My Location " feature is indeed hard to find and some also report having problems finding other G " spots "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Google  "My Location" feature is indeed hard to find and some also report having problems finding other G"spots"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28665671</id>
	<title>Re:I hate this 'location-based' crap</title>
	<author>DNS-and-BIND</author>
	<datestamp>1247338980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I live in China, and it's always wonderful when some brain-dead web page decides to serve its content to me in Chinese, despite the fact that my web browser and operating system are <tt>en-US</tt>.  It is especially nice when there is no option to change back into English (looking at you here, Bing.com).</htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in China , and it 's always wonderful when some brain-dead web page decides to serve its content to me in Chinese , despite the fact that my web browser and operating system are en-US .
It is especially nice when there is no option to change back into English ( looking at you here , Bing.com ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in China, and it's always wonderful when some brain-dead web page decides to serve its content to me in Chinese, despite the fact that my web browser and operating system are en-US.
It is especially nice when there is no option to change back into English (looking at you here, Bing.com).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28662119</id>
	<title>We're well into the jet age....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247342220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...it's way past time to be making assumptions about a person based on where you think that person may be.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Just because I'm in Germany doesn't mean I want the German language version of anything.  Quite the opposite, in fact.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Apart from helping me figure out where to go, I don't see the value of geolocation on the web.  All the touted benefits of geolocation other than finding directions seem either naive or sinister to me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...it 's way past time to be making assumptions about a person based on where you think that person may be .
    Just because I 'm in Germany does n't mean I want the German language version of anything .
Quite the opposite , in fact .
    Apart from helping me figure out where to go , I do n't see the value of geolocation on the web .
All the touted benefits of geolocation other than finding directions seem either naive or sinister to me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...it's way past time to be making assumptions about a person based on where you think that person may be.
    Just because I'm in Germany doesn't mean I want the German language version of anything.
Quite the opposite, in fact.
    Apart from helping me figure out where to go, I don't see the value of geolocation on the web.
All the touted benefits of geolocation other than finding directions seem either naive or sinister to me.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661705</id>
	<title>Problem not limited to Chrome and Firefox</title>
	<author>ilsa</author>
	<datestamp>1247339040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Every now and then my G1 will insist that I am somewhere in Oregon. Usually I am clued in by the weather app giving a clearly erroneous temperature on the front screen. Perhaps my phone is just asking for a trip to someplace cool, since Vegas gets pretty hot in the summer. So far the phone has always come to its senses in a few hours.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every now and then my G1 will insist that I am somewhere in Oregon .
Usually I am clued in by the weather app giving a clearly erroneous temperature on the front screen .
Perhaps my phone is just asking for a trip to someplace cool , since Vegas gets pretty hot in the summer .
So far the phone has always come to its senses in a few hours .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every now and then my G1 will insist that I am somewhere in Oregon.
Usually I am clued in by the weather app giving a clearly erroneous temperature on the front screen.
Perhaps my phone is just asking for a trip to someplace cool, since Vegas gets pretty hot in the summer.
So far the phone has always come to its senses in a few hours.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28665035</id>
	<title>Africa</title>
	<author>azav</author>
	<datestamp>1247327880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In parts of Africa, GPS coordinates in Google Earth are off by hundreds of miles.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In parts of Africa , GPS coordinates in Google Earth are off by hundreds of miles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In parts of Africa, GPS coordinates in Google Earth are off by hundreds of miles.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28664735</id>
	<title>Re:I hate this 'location-based' crap</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247322480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In the vernacular of today's youth: word.</p><p>I'm currently bouncing around Asia, and Pandora and Hulu are completely AWOL, of course--I have to use a proxy if I want to connect at all, and then the connection rates are painfully slow.  Google is set to a new (and occassionally censored) subdomain (I"m looking at you Hong Kong) every time I hit a new country, even though I use iGoogle and it should be able to tell that I haven't changed any preferences, And Facebook keeps asking me if I want to help Translate it into Thai.'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the vernacular of today 's youth : word.I 'm currently bouncing around Asia , and Pandora and Hulu are completely AWOL , of course--I have to use a proxy if I want to connect at all , and then the connection rates are painfully slow .
Google is set to a new ( and occassionally censored ) subdomain ( I " m looking at you Hong Kong ) every time I hit a new country , even though I use iGoogle and it should be able to tell that I have n't changed any preferences , And Facebook keeps asking me if I want to help Translate it into Thai .
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the vernacular of today's youth: word.I'm currently bouncing around Asia, and Pandora and Hulu are completely AWOL, of course--I have to use a proxy if I want to connect at all, and then the connection rates are painfully slow.
Google is set to a new (and occassionally censored) subdomain (I"m looking at you Hong Kong) every time I hit a new country, even though I use iGoogle and it should be able to tell that I haven't changed any preferences, And Facebook keeps asking me if I want to help Translate it into Thai.
'</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661659</id>
	<title>mod 3o3n</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247338560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>flaws in the BSD my caaling. Now I before playing to</htmltext>
<tokenext>flaws in the BSD my caaling .
Now I before playing to</tokentext>
<sentencetext>flaws in the BSD my caaling.
Now I before playing to</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28663433</id>
	<title>How are they gathering data?</title>
	<author>jaffray</author>
	<datestamp>1247308560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The article says Google is crowdsourcing their data, but if so, where's the input?  When I click on "My Location", I just get a message that "Your location could not be determined" - I don't see any followup on "so where are you, so we can add this location/wifi-signal pair to our database".</p><p>For what it's worth, Loki gets my home location exactly right, while Google doesn't even venture a guess.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The article says Google is crowdsourcing their data , but if so , where 's the input ?
When I click on " My Location " , I just get a message that " Your location could not be determined " - I do n't see any followup on " so where are you , so we can add this location/wifi-signal pair to our database " .For what it 's worth , Loki gets my home location exactly right , while Google does n't even venture a guess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article says Google is crowdsourcing their data, but if so, where's the input?
When I click on "My Location", I just get a message that "Your location could not be determined" - I don't see any followup on "so where are you, so we can add this location/wifi-signal pair to our database".For what it's worth, Loki gets my home location exactly right, while Google doesn't even venture a guess.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661835</id>
	<title>I hate this 'location-based' crap</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247340060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A while ago I was working in Italy: Google would then redirect me to Google in the Netherlands, and Facebook rather kindly switched automatically to displaying its pages in Dutch. Steam usually gets the location right, but won't then let me use my perfectly valid British credit card to buy games when I'm not in Britain.</p><p>This is one of the most user-unfriendly ideas to infest the web over the last few years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A while ago I was working in Italy : Google would then redirect me to Google in the Netherlands , and Facebook rather kindly switched automatically to displaying its pages in Dutch .
Steam usually gets the location right , but wo n't then let me use my perfectly valid British credit card to buy games when I 'm not in Britain.This is one of the most user-unfriendly ideas to infest the web over the last few years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A while ago I was working in Italy: Google would then redirect me to Google in the Netherlands, and Facebook rather kindly switched automatically to displaying its pages in Dutch.
Steam usually gets the location right, but won't then let me use my perfectly valid British credit card to buy games when I'm not in Britain.This is one of the most user-unfriendly ideas to infest the web over the last few years.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28674485</id>
	<title>Its okay</title>
	<author>garphik</author>
	<datestamp>1247489700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Its still beta<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Its still beta ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its still beta ;-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28665059</id>
	<title>Re:Can't find My Location</title>
	<author>jrumney</author>
	<datestamp>1247328300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Great, apparently I live under a motorway junction about 10 miles away. Thanks Google, you just made me homeless!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Great , apparently I live under a motorway junction about 10 miles away .
Thanks Google , you just made me homeless !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Great, apparently I live under a motorway junction about 10 miles away.
Thanks Google, you just made me homeless!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661701</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661593</id>
	<title>Skyhook's implementation really is inventive</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247338020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The initially war-drove around, mapping APs.  Then when users connect to those APs in the database and query the location, they also send back a report on other nearby APs.  This allows their database to grow and become more accurate over time, without them having to keep war-driving previously established areas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The initially war-drove around , mapping APs .
Then when users connect to those APs in the database and query the location , they also send back a report on other nearby APs .
This allows their database to grow and become more accurate over time , without them having to keep war-driving previously established areas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The initially war-drove around, mapping APs.
Then when users connect to those APs in the database and query the location, they also send back a report on other nearby APs.
This allows their database to grow and become more accurate over time, without them having to keep war-driving previously established areas.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28662079</id>
	<title>moD down</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247341800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">server crashes leeson and much organisation, 1. Therefore there That sorded, NeTWORKING TEST. knows that ever</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>server crashes leeson and much organisation , 1 .
Therefore there That sorded , NeTWORKING TEST .
knows that ever [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>server crashes leeson and much organisation, 1.
Therefore there That sorded, NeTWORKING TEST.
knows that ever [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661701</id>
	<title>Re:Can't find My Location</title>
	<author>The MAZZTer</author>
	<datestamp>1247338980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's the little circle thing by the panning and zooming and street view controls.</p><p>When I click it it takes me to Austin, TX, which is over 1500 miles from where I actually am.  And where I actually am isn't even Manhattan, but New Jersey.  Google says it's because laneline-based connections are probably going to show erroneous results based on ISP, except that Verizon is based in Viriginia according to whois, not Texas!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the little circle thing by the panning and zooming and street view controls.When I click it it takes me to Austin , TX , which is over 1500 miles from where I actually am .
And where I actually am is n't even Manhattan , but New Jersey .
Google says it 's because laneline-based connections are probably going to show erroneous results based on ISP , except that Verizon is based in Viriginia according to whois , not Texas !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the little circle thing by the panning and zooming and street view controls.When I click it it takes me to Austin, TX, which is over 1500 miles from where I actually am.
And where I actually am isn't even Manhattan, but New Jersey.
Google says it's because laneline-based connections are probably going to show erroneous results based on ISP, except that Verizon is based in Viriginia according to whois, not Texas!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661607</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28662751</id>
	<title>My location is strangely getting worse</title>
	<author>Edmund Blackadder</author>
	<datestamp>1247303340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It used to be very good. When I was at work (in downtown LA) it would not only identify the building I was in correctly, but it would also identify which side of the building I was in). When I was home it gave my location as being less than a block away from my real location.</p><p>But bizarrely, it is getting worse. Nowadays, it is not unusual for it to be way off. Right now I tried my location on my cell phone and my true location is just outside of the blue circle "my location" gives out.</p><p>So that is rather unusual. Google services usually get better over time, not worse. I wonder about this crowd sourcing stuff. What information are the crowds putting in the system exactly? Because it seems like there may be saboteurs working among those crowds. There are many companies that really need google's "my location" to be unreliable (such as those providers that want to charge you a monthly fee for their map app.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It used to be very good .
When I was at work ( in downtown LA ) it would not only identify the building I was in correctly , but it would also identify which side of the building I was in ) .
When I was home it gave my location as being less than a block away from my real location.But bizarrely , it is getting worse .
Nowadays , it is not unusual for it to be way off .
Right now I tried my location on my cell phone and my true location is just outside of the blue circle " my location " gives out.So that is rather unusual .
Google services usually get better over time , not worse .
I wonder about this crowd sourcing stuff .
What information are the crowds putting in the system exactly ?
Because it seems like there may be saboteurs working among those crowds .
There are many companies that really need google 's " my location " to be unreliable ( such as those providers that want to charge you a monthly fee for their map app .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It used to be very good.
When I was at work (in downtown LA) it would not only identify the building I was in correctly, but it would also identify which side of the building I was in).
When I was home it gave my location as being less than a block away from my real location.But bizarrely, it is getting worse.
Nowadays, it is not unusual for it to be way off.
Right now I tried my location on my cell phone and my true location is just outside of the blue circle "my location" gives out.So that is rather unusual.
Google services usually get better over time, not worse.
I wonder about this crowd sourcing stuff.
What information are the crowds putting in the system exactly?
Because it seems like there may be saboteurs working among those crowds.
There are many companies that really need google's "my location" to be unreliable (such as those providers that want to charge you a monthly fee for their map app.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28667049</id>
	<title>I want to help make it better</title>
	<author>Plug</author>
	<datestamp>1247410500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is the link to the "Your guess at my location was wrong: I am actually at" page?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is the link to the " Your guess at my location was wrong : I am actually at " page ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is the link to the "Your guess at my location was wrong: I am actually at" page?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28662255</id>
	<title>Re:I hate this 'location-based' crap</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1247342940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A lot of it has to do with "rights" based on country. A company might have the right to distribute a game in Britain, but not in Sweden. As such, they would have to have a way to ensure that the game is only distributed to people in Britain.</p><p>It would be much more in the spirit of the Internet if there were more "global" rights for distribution, but I think many people can recognize how this would be a double-edged sword.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of it has to do with " rights " based on country .
A company might have the right to distribute a game in Britain , but not in Sweden .
As such , they would have to have a way to ensure that the game is only distributed to people in Britain.It would be much more in the spirit of the Internet if there were more " global " rights for distribution , but I think many people can recognize how this would be a double-edged sword .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of it has to do with "rights" based on country.
A company might have the right to distribute a game in Britain, but not in Sweden.
As such, they would have to have a way to ensure that the game is only distributed to people in Britain.It would be much more in the spirit of the Internet if there were more "global" rights for distribution, but I think many people can recognize how this would be a double-edged sword.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661835</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28674731</id>
	<title>Re:Can't find My Location</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247491560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cool...</p><p>"Your location cannot be determined."</p><p>Desktop sitting behind 2 NAT firewalls with Comcast serving up the intertubes.</p><p>Interestingly, TPB keeps offering personal ads for ladies from a community 10 miles away.</p><p>What's google's problem?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cool... " Your location can not be determined .
" Desktop sitting behind 2 NAT firewalls with Comcast serving up the intertubes.Interestingly , TPB keeps offering personal ads for ladies from a community 10 miles away.What 's google 's problem ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cool..."Your location cannot be determined.
"Desktop sitting behind 2 NAT firewalls with Comcast serving up the intertubes.Interestingly, TPB keeps offering personal ads for ladies from a community 10 miles away.What's google's problem?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661607</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28663937</id>
	<title>Re:Remind me not to use Firefox 3.5!</title>
	<author>CyberDragon777</author>
	<datestamp>1247312760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Geo-location only works if you explicitly enable it.</p><p>2. You can change how the address bar works in Settings/Privacy (or whatever it is called in the english version).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Geo-location only works if you explicitly enable it.2 .
You can change how the address bar works in Settings/Privacy ( or whatever it is called in the english version ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Geo-location only works if you explicitly enable it.2.
You can change how the address bar works in Settings/Privacy (or whatever it is called in the english version).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28662331</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661533</id>
	<title>Brief summary of article</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247337480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CEO of competing firm: "This totally wouldn't happen with ours, ours is awesome!"  No meat there, just an assertion passed as fact in a 'news' article.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CEO of competing firm : " This totally would n't happen with ours , ours is awesome !
" No meat there , just an assertion passed as fact in a 'news ' article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CEO of competing firm: "This totally wouldn't happen with ours, ours is awesome!
"  No meat there, just an assertion passed as fact in a 'news' article.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28662579</id>
	<title>Privacy ?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247345100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>anyone can shed light on the following mixture;</p><p>MAC database with long and lat and IPV6 round the corner.</p><p>Lets just think about DRM alone for a sec....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>anyone can shed light on the following mixture ; MAC database with long and lat and IPV6 round the corner.Lets just think about DRM alone for a sec... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>anyone can shed light on the following mixture;MAC database with long and lat and IPV6 round the corner.Lets just think about DRM alone for a sec....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661631</id>
	<title>Remind me not to use Firefox 3.5!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247338380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>the little blue button that shows you your position on a map--is now available to people accessing Google Maps from their laptop or desktop computers as well (as long as they're using the latest versions of the Firefox or Chrome browsers).</i></p><p>We have so little privacy as it is, why are you taking away the few shreds we have left?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the little blue button that shows you your position on a map--is now available to people accessing Google Maps from their laptop or desktop computers as well ( as long as they 're using the latest versions of the Firefox or Chrome browsers ) .We have so little privacy as it is , why are you taking away the few shreds we have left ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the little blue button that shows you your position on a map--is now available to people accessing Google Maps from their laptop or desktop computers as well (as long as they're using the latest versions of the Firefox or Chrome browsers).We have so little privacy as it is, why are you taking away the few shreds we have left?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661677</id>
	<title>Re:Can't find My Location</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247338740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right above the zoom buttons, you have a street view icon. Between the street view icon and the scroll buttons, you may see a small circle. Click there.</p><p>Unfortunately, Google has horrible user agent sniffing. I'm on Firefox on Linux, and I need to spoof myself as a Windows user to get that button.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right above the zoom buttons , you have a street view icon .
Between the street view icon and the scroll buttons , you may see a small circle .
Click there.Unfortunately , Google has horrible user agent sniffing .
I 'm on Firefox on Linux , and I need to spoof myself as a Windows user to get that button .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right above the zoom buttons, you have a street view icon.
Between the street view icon and the scroll buttons, you may see a small circle.
Click there.Unfortunately, Google has horrible user agent sniffing.
I'm on Firefox on Linux, and I need to spoof myself as a Windows user to get that button.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661607</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28665847</id>
	<title>Re:I hate this 'location-based' crap</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247429280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's even worse when one lives in an area that uses a minority language. I live on an island in Finland, where the local language is Swedish. Almost every program tries to install itself in Finnish - finding how to change language using a language you don't know is very difficult.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's even worse when one lives in an area that uses a minority language .
I live on an island in Finland , where the local language is Swedish .
Almost every program tries to install itself in Finnish - finding how to change language using a language you do n't know is very difficult .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's even worse when one lives in an area that uses a minority language.
I live on an island in Finland, where the local language is Swedish.
Almost every program tries to install itself in Finnish - finding how to change language using a language you don't know is very difficult.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661835</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28663515</id>
	<title>Re:Can't find My Location</title>
	<author>Dalroth</author>
	<datestamp>1247309100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thanks everybody.  That little icon is so not intuitive.  I never even saw it until you guys pointed it out.</p><p>Bryan</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks everybody .
That little icon is so not intuitive .
I never even saw it until you guys pointed it out.Bryan</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks everybody.
That little icon is so not intuitive.
I never even saw it until you guys pointed it out.Bryan</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661607</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28662393</id>
	<title>Re:I hate this 'location-based' crap</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247343900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A while ago I was in Germany, and Google insisted that I read the German version of Google, even though my browser said that it only understood English (as I configured it). It's fine when they use GeoIP to present a localized version of a page, but not when the Accept-Language request headers requests otherwise.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A while ago I was in Germany , and Google insisted that I read the German version of Google , even though my browser said that it only understood English ( as I configured it ) .
It 's fine when they use GeoIP to present a localized version of a page , but not when the Accept-Language request headers requests otherwise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A while ago I was in Germany, and Google insisted that I read the German version of Google, even though my browser said that it only understood English (as I configured it).
It's fine when they use GeoIP to present a localized version of a page, but not when the Accept-Language request headers requests otherwise.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661835</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28665241</id>
	<title>Re:Brief summary of article</title>
	<author>MikeFM</author>
	<datestamp>1247331300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The odd thing IMO is that I've been using the GeoIP db for years and it is pretty reliable and very easy to use. Why does the browser even need this feature? It's not perfect as some IP addresses aren't correctly mapped but typically they are very close. I use them on my eCommerce sites to give estimates on shipping without asking the user for their location and to present location aware suggested products.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The odd thing IMO is that I 've been using the GeoIP db for years and it is pretty reliable and very easy to use .
Why does the browser even need this feature ?
It 's not perfect as some IP addresses are n't correctly mapped but typically they are very close .
I use them on my eCommerce sites to give estimates on shipping without asking the user for their location and to present location aware suggested products .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The odd thing IMO is that I've been using the GeoIP db for years and it is pretty reliable and very easy to use.
Why does the browser even need this feature?
It's not perfect as some IP addresses aren't correctly mapped but typically they are very close.
I use them on my eCommerce sites to give estimates on shipping without asking the user for their location and to present location aware suggested products.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661533</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28665181</id>
	<title>Re:Can't find My Location</title>
	<author>Ritchie70</author>
	<datestamp>1247330340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe this is your problem?</p><blockquote><div><p>Currently supported browsers include Google Chrome 2.0+ (using Gears), Mozilla FireFox 3.5+ or any browser with the latest version of Gears installed.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe this is your problem ? Currently supported browsers include Google Chrome 2.0 + ( using Gears ) , Mozilla FireFox 3.5 + or any browser with the latest version of Gears installed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe this is your problem?Currently supported browsers include Google Chrome 2.0+ (using Gears), Mozilla FireFox 3.5+ or any browser with the latest version of Gears installed.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661607</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661699</id>
	<title>Re:Can't find My Location</title>
	<author>BusDriver</author>
	<datestamp>1247338980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's just above the zoom in and out slider, a little round circle in a square (with cut off corners).  Or just below the hand with the four arrows.</p><p>Click that and a bar will appear at the top of firefox and ask if it's ok to share your location.</p><p>Hope this helps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's just above the zoom in and out slider , a little round circle in a square ( with cut off corners ) .
Or just below the hand with the four arrows.Click that and a bar will appear at the top of firefox and ask if it 's ok to share your location.Hope this helps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's just above the zoom in and out slider, a little round circle in a square (with cut off corners).
Or just below the hand with the four arrows.Click that and a bar will appear at the top of firefox and ask if it's ok to share your location.Hope this helps.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28661731</id>
	<title>Re:Remind me not to use Firefox 3.5!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247339160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As any sane person would expect, and thirty seconds on Google would confirm, the browser asks permission before sending the location data. <a href="http://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/geo011.png" title="howtogeek.com" rel="nofollow">Screenshot.</a> [howtogeek.com] No privacy is being taken away.</p><p>Lesson of the day: don't make nutty assumptions, and don't post knee-jerk reactions based on them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As any sane person would expect , and thirty seconds on Google would confirm , the browser asks permission before sending the location data .
Screenshot. [ howtogeek.com ] No privacy is being taken away.Lesson of the day : do n't make nutty assumptions , and do n't post knee-jerk reactions based on them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As any sane person would expect, and thirty seconds on Google would confirm, the browser asks permission before sending the location data.
Screenshot. [howtogeek.com] No privacy is being taken away.Lesson of the day: don't make nutty assumptions, and don't post knee-jerk reactions based on them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28665229</id>
	<title>Try using Navizon (also crowdsourced but accurate)</title>
	<author>some1somewhere</author>
	<datestamp>1247331180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know exactly how Google is "crowdsourcing" the AP locations and similar (TFA doesn't clarify), but a competing firm to Google and Skyhoook, <a href="http://tinyurl.com/la6fhd" title="tinyurl.com" rel="nofollow">Navizon</a> [tinyurl.com], uses similar tech.
<p>
The difference is that while it is unclear what method Google use, Navizon clearly states they will PAY users who have GPS installed in their phones, to roam around and collect Cell ID, APs, etc. and submit it to them. At the SAME time you get maps to see where you are, Buddies to see where your friends are, etc.
</p><p>
So in this instance, Navizon is paying for the crowd to submit the latest/updated data all the time. So if I drive around an area, and an AP that was there yesterday is no there anymore, you won't get the same error as Google where you suddenly appear to have gone to a different city/state/whatever, as I just personally updated the AP landscape.
</p><p>
Great stuff, and to get paid as well... I guess it is cheaper for Navizon to pay users a $10 or $20 dollars for a few hours of "driving" rather than run their own vans around trying to update APs all over the world, and this way the database is likely to stay very, very fresh!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know exactly how Google is " crowdsourcing " the AP locations and similar ( TFA does n't clarify ) , but a competing firm to Google and Skyhoook , Navizon [ tinyurl.com ] , uses similar tech .
The difference is that while it is unclear what method Google use , Navizon clearly states they will PAY users who have GPS installed in their phones , to roam around and collect Cell ID , APs , etc .
and submit it to them .
At the SAME time you get maps to see where you are , Buddies to see where your friends are , etc .
So in this instance , Navizon is paying for the crowd to submit the latest/updated data all the time .
So if I drive around an area , and an AP that was there yesterday is no there anymore , you wo n't get the same error as Google where you suddenly appear to have gone to a different city/state/whatever , as I just personally updated the AP landscape .
Great stuff , and to get paid as well... I guess it is cheaper for Navizon to pay users a $ 10 or $ 20 dollars for a few hours of " driving " rather than run their own vans around trying to update APs all over the world , and this way the database is likely to stay very , very fresh !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know exactly how Google is "crowdsourcing" the AP locations and similar (TFA doesn't clarify), but a competing firm to Google and Skyhoook, Navizon [tinyurl.com], uses similar tech.
The difference is that while it is unclear what method Google use, Navizon clearly states they will PAY users who have GPS installed in their phones, to roam around and collect Cell ID, APs, etc.
and submit it to them.
At the SAME time you get maps to see where you are, Buddies to see where your friends are, etc.
So in this instance, Navizon is paying for the crowd to submit the latest/updated data all the time.
So if I drive around an area, and an AP that was there yesterday is no there anymore, you won't get the same error as Google where you suddenly appear to have gone to a different city/state/whatever, as I just personally updated the AP landscape.
Great stuff, and to get paid as well... I guess it is cheaper for Navizon to pay users a $10 or $20 dollars for a few hours of "driving" rather than run their own vans around trying to update APs all over the world, and this way the database is likely to stay very, very fresh!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28663755</id>
	<title>Re:Remind me not to use Firefox 3.5!</title>
	<author>greenreaper</author>
	<datestamp>1247311080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I respectfully disagree. It's called the awesomebar and not the horrificbar for a reason. Yes, the very first betas of it were horrific. It's really pretty damn good now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I respectfully disagree .
It 's called the awesomebar and not the horrificbar for a reason .
Yes , the very first betas of it were horrific .
It 's really pretty damn good now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I respectfully disagree.
It's called the awesomebar and not the horrificbar for a reason.
Yes, the very first betas of it were horrific.
It's really pretty damn good now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28662331</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_1650219.28667107</id>
	<title>Re:Brief summary of article</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247411580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I'd say that a real gps-based database always beats a crowdsourced one. So he may be right, and the assertion may be rightful. Dunno.</p><p>But just because he states "This totally wouldn't happen with ours, ours is awesome!", this does not mean that he *has* to be a liar.</p><p>I know, I know. A CEO not being a liar. Good joke and all. I could nearly not believe it myself.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I 'd say that a real gps-based database always beats a crowdsourced one .
So he may be right , and the assertion may be rightful .
Dunno.But just because he states " This totally would n't happen with ours , ours is awesome !
" , this does not mean that he * has * to be a liar.I know , I know .
A CEO not being a liar .
Good joke and all .
I could nearly not believe it myself .
: P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I'd say that a real gps-based database always beats a crowdsourced one.
So he may be right, and the assertion may be rightful.
Dunno.But just because he states "This totally wouldn't happen with ours, ours is awesome!
", this does not mean that he *has* to be a liar.I know, I know.
A CEO not being a liar.
Good joke and all.
I could nearly not believe it myself.
:P</sentencetext>
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