<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_11_0216229</id>
	<title>Apple To Sell Wi-Fi-less iPhone In China</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1247314500000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://hughpickens.com/" rel="nofollow">Hugh Pickens</a> writes <i>"Business Week reports that the Chinese government has received an application from Apple seeking a Network Access License to sell the iPhone for officially-sanctioned use in the country. However, the application is for an <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/technology/ByteOfTheApple/blog/archives/2009/07/apple\_will\_stri.html">iPhone that does not include Wi-Fi connectivity</a>, a sticking point in negotiations with the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, which wants the phone to only run on the cellular networks. 'Apple was hellbent on having the iPhone be Wi-Fi-enabled,' says analyst Matt Mathison. 'The Chinese government has been just as adamant that it not be.' For many years now, China ministry officials told wireless consumers that <a href="http://idannyb.wordpress.com/2009/04/01/wifi-on-an-official-iphone-in-china/">Wi-Fi would not be allowed on mobile phones</a> for fear that consumers might be tempted to illegally load VoIP apps and make calls over the Net, undermining carriers' interests. However Glenn Fleishman says that China uses WAPI, a homegrown proprietary extension to Wi-Fi that only a handful of Chinese manufacturers have access to, and that equipment sold in China must have WAPI support and chips made in China.  Fleishman speculates that <a href="http://wifinetnews.com/archives/2006/05/china\_appeals\_wapi\_decision.html">China's WAPI standard contains backdoor technology</a> to allow China to monitor any communications sent over 'secure' links."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hugh Pickens writes " Business Week reports that the Chinese government has received an application from Apple seeking a Network Access License to sell the iPhone for officially-sanctioned use in the country .
However , the application is for an iPhone that does not include Wi-Fi connectivity , a sticking point in negotiations with the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology , which wants the phone to only run on the cellular networks .
'Apple was hellbent on having the iPhone be Wi-Fi-enabled, ' says analyst Matt Mathison .
'The Chinese government has been just as adamant that it not be .
' For many years now , China ministry officials told wireless consumers that Wi-Fi would not be allowed on mobile phones for fear that consumers might be tempted to illegally load VoIP apps and make calls over the Net , undermining carriers ' interests .
However Glenn Fleishman says that China uses WAPI , a homegrown proprietary extension to Wi-Fi that only a handful of Chinese manufacturers have access to , and that equipment sold in China must have WAPI support and chips made in China .
Fleishman speculates that China 's WAPI standard contains backdoor technology to allow China to monitor any communications sent over 'secure ' links .
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<sentencetext>Hugh Pickens writes "Business Week reports that the Chinese government has received an application from Apple seeking a Network Access License to sell the iPhone for officially-sanctioned use in the country.
However, the application is for an iPhone that does not include Wi-Fi connectivity, a sticking point in negotiations with the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology, which wants the phone to only run on the cellular networks.
'Apple was hellbent on having the iPhone be Wi-Fi-enabled,' says analyst Matt Mathison.
'The Chinese government has been just as adamant that it not be.
' For many years now, China ministry officials told wireless consumers that Wi-Fi would not be allowed on mobile phones for fear that consumers might be tempted to illegally load VoIP apps and make calls over the Net, undermining carriers' interests.
However Glenn Fleishman says that China uses WAPI, a homegrown proprietary extension to Wi-Fi that only a handful of Chinese manufacturers have access to, and that equipment sold in China must have WAPI support and chips made in China.
Fleishman speculates that China's WAPI standard contains backdoor technology to allow China to monitor any communications sent over 'secure' links.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28660701</id>
	<title>Re:Load illegal applications?</title>
	<author>ceoyoyo</author>
	<datestamp>1247331900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You noted that the story is from China?  And are aware that China has different laws than the US?  It appears that VOIP capability on cell phones is indeed illegal in China, which would make loading such an app on an iPhone (or Blackberry, or Pre) in China indeed illegal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You noted that the story is from China ?
And are aware that China has different laws than the US ?
It appears that VOIP capability on cell phones is indeed illegal in China , which would make loading such an app on an iPhone ( or Blackberry , or Pre ) in China indeed illegal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You noted that the story is from China?
And are aware that China has different laws than the US?
It appears that VOIP capability on cell phones is indeed illegal in China, which would make loading such an app on an iPhone (or Blackberry, or Pre) in China indeed illegal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28661843</id>
	<title>Re:And what does our FCC think about this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247340060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>China is a good mirror of ourselves, so when this type of thing comes up, it's a good idea to take note and think about how we ourselves are being manipulated right here at home.</p></div><p>Hmmm, Mirror, Mirror. That reminds me of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/index.html?curid=401216" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Star Trek</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>China is a good mirror of ourselves , so when this type of thing comes up , it 's a good idea to take note and think about how we ourselves are being manipulated right here at home.Hmmm , Mirror , Mirror .
That reminds me of Star Trek [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China is a good mirror of ourselves, so when this type of thing comes up, it's a good idea to take note and think about how we ourselves are being manipulated right here at home.Hmmm, Mirror, Mirror.
That reminds me of Star Trek [wikipedia.org]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28661391</id>
	<title>Re:It's all about the benjamins...er....yuan</title>
	<author>ImYourVirus</author>
	<datestamp>1247336460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well not really, because Benjamin's is an informal name for the 100 dollar bill, so since they are both informal then maybe he got his intended meaning across. To further my point I've not heard of quai but have heard of yuan as I'm sure more people have as well, and the other wouldn't have really made much sense to me, so I think they accomplished their goal.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well not really , because Benjamin 's is an informal name for the 100 dollar bill , so since they are both informal then maybe he got his intended meaning across .
To further my point I 've not heard of quai but have heard of yuan as I 'm sure more people have as well , and the other would n't have really made much sense to me , so I think they accomplished their goal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well not really, because Benjamin's is an informal name for the 100 dollar bill, so since they are both informal then maybe he got his intended meaning across.
To further my point I've not heard of quai but have heard of yuan as I'm sure more people have as well, and the other wouldn't have really made much sense to me, so I think they accomplished their goal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659535</id>
	<title>Re:And what does our FCC think about this?</title>
	<author>narfspoon</author>
	<datestamp>1247323740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>BadAnalogyGuy wrote:<p><div class="quote"><p>The FCC is the American version of China's MIIT.</p><p>If you think the MIIT has that much power over the Chinese people, how much more power does the FCC have over the entire world?</p><p>It's funny, there are so many similarities between China and the U.S. Both are huge world powers that use their military and economic power to intimidate neighbors. Both are led by an oligarchy of unremovable political parties. And both have populaces that are brainwashed and fiercely patriotic.</p><p>China is a good mirror of ourselves, so when this type of thing comes up, it's a good idea to take note and think about how we ourselves are being manipulated right here at home.</p></div><p>Your nickname is a bit ironic here.
<br>
Try to not paint everyone with the same brush who displays a certain characteristic.
<br>
Case in point:
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank\_Man" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Tank Man</a> [wikipedia.org] versus <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World\_Trade\_Organization\_Ministerial\_Conference\_of\_1999\_protest\_activity" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">1999 WTO Protests in Seattle</a> [wikipedia.org].
<br>
<br>
Neither was peaceful, but the fact I'm able to read about and discuss these past events instead of being state-censored is a pretty significant difference between the USA and China.
<br>
I realize nothing I say will change your mind, so enjoy your <a href="http://i30.tinypic.com/2rhbpk2.jpg" title="tinypic.com" rel="nofollow">stereotypical view of America.</a> [tinypic.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>BadAnalogyGuy wrote : The FCC is the American version of China 's MIIT.If you think the MIIT has that much power over the Chinese people , how much more power does the FCC have over the entire world ? It 's funny , there are so many similarities between China and the U.S. Both are huge world powers that use their military and economic power to intimidate neighbors .
Both are led by an oligarchy of unremovable political parties .
And both have populaces that are brainwashed and fiercely patriotic.China is a good mirror of ourselves , so when this type of thing comes up , it 's a good idea to take note and think about how we ourselves are being manipulated right here at home.Your nickname is a bit ironic here .
Try to not paint everyone with the same brush who displays a certain characteristic .
Case in point : Tank Man [ wikipedia.org ] versus 1999 WTO Protests in Seattle [ wikipedia.org ] .
Neither was peaceful , but the fact I 'm able to read about and discuss these past events instead of being state-censored is a pretty significant difference between the USA and China .
I realize nothing I say will change your mind , so enjoy your stereotypical view of America .
[ tinypic.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BadAnalogyGuy wrote:The FCC is the American version of China's MIIT.If you think the MIIT has that much power over the Chinese people, how much more power does the FCC have over the entire world?It's funny, there are so many similarities between China and the U.S. Both are huge world powers that use their military and economic power to intimidate neighbors.
Both are led by an oligarchy of unremovable political parties.
And both have populaces that are brainwashed and fiercely patriotic.China is a good mirror of ourselves, so when this type of thing comes up, it's a good idea to take note and think about how we ourselves are being manipulated right here at home.Your nickname is a bit ironic here.
Try to not paint everyone with the same brush who displays a certain characteristic.
Case in point:
Tank Man [wikipedia.org] versus 1999 WTO Protests in Seattle [wikipedia.org].
Neither was peaceful, but the fact I'm able to read about and discuss these past events instead of being state-censored is a pretty significant difference between the USA and China.
I realize nothing I say will change your mind, so enjoy your stereotypical view of America.
[tinypic.com]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28662499</id>
	<title>Re:Double hobble</title>
	<author>reversible physicist</author>
	<datestamp>1247344500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apple's been fighting to have WiFi enabled because that makes the iPhone experience much better (and hence more saleable).  I expect that WiFi will only be turned off in the firmware and the hardware will be the same as is used in the rest of the world: if so, this latent capability could be enabled in the future.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple 's been fighting to have WiFi enabled because that makes the iPhone experience much better ( and hence more saleable ) .
I expect that WiFi will only be turned off in the firmware and the hardware will be the same as is used in the rest of the world : if so , this latent capability could be enabled in the future .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple's been fighting to have WiFi enabled because that makes the iPhone experience much better (and hence more saleable).
I expect that WiFi will only be turned off in the firmware and the hardware will be the same as is used in the rest of the world: if so, this latent capability could be enabled in the future.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659135</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28661489</id>
	<title>Re:Sure, that'll work.</title>
	<author>mr\_lizard13</author>
	<datestamp>1247337120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Piracy is rampant in China not because they can't get a grip on the problem.
<br>
<br>
It's just they're not interested in stopping it,  since it only tends to hurt the companies that aren't state owned. (I can't think of any Chinese movie studios off the top of my head, I believe most of them are American)
<br>
<br>
But disabling wifi on a phone is something they can do very easily. They just don't allow the phone manufacturer to sell the phone with a wifi chip.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Piracy is rampant in China not because they ca n't get a grip on the problem .
It 's just they 're not interested in stopping it , since it only tends to hurt the companies that are n't state owned .
( I ca n't think of any Chinese movie studios off the top of my head , I believe most of them are American ) But disabling wifi on a phone is something they can do very easily .
They just do n't allow the phone manufacturer to sell the phone with a wifi chip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Piracy is rampant in China not because they can't get a grip on the problem.
It's just they're not interested in stopping it,  since it only tends to hurt the companies that aren't state owned.
(I can't think of any Chinese movie studios off the top of my head, I believe most of them are American)


But disabling wifi on a phone is something they can do very easily.
They just don't allow the phone manufacturer to sell the phone with a wifi chip.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659561</id>
	<title>Why not just mandate VoIP filters?</title>
	<author>Midnight Thunder</author>
	<datestamp>1247323920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If the government's fear is about VoIP, why don't they just put equipment in place to block the protocol? Then again, if you think about it, it is less about VoIP and probably more of paying less to the state owned telecoms company. Its amazing, just when you think you know how totalitarian China is, you read something that makes you realise it is just a bit more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the government 's fear is about VoIP , why do n't they just put equipment in place to block the protocol ?
Then again , if you think about it , it is less about VoIP and probably more of paying less to the state owned telecoms company .
Its amazing , just when you think you know how totalitarian China is , you read something that makes you realise it is just a bit more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the government's fear is about VoIP, why don't they just put equipment in place to block the protocol?
Then again, if you think about it, it is less about VoIP and probably more of paying less to the state owned telecoms company.
Its amazing, just when you think you know how totalitarian China is, you read something that makes you realise it is just a bit more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28661419</id>
	<title>Re:Double hobble</title>
	<author>cyn1c77</author>
	<datestamp>1247336640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm 100\% with you, but you've got to remember that Apple is a corporation that is only out to make money.  They don't even care about not being evil like Google.  They probably determined that neutering their iphone for China would give them the best profit, just like all of their other product "oversight" has been working in the West.  </p><p>Sure, as techies we think it is annoying, but mommy is happy to buy a "porn-free" phone for her little Johnny and she is also happy that her iMac "just works."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm 100 \ % with you , but you 've got to remember that Apple is a corporation that is only out to make money .
They do n't even care about not being evil like Google .
They probably determined that neutering their iphone for China would give them the best profit , just like all of their other product " oversight " has been working in the West .
Sure , as techies we think it is annoying , but mommy is happy to buy a " porn-free " phone for her little Johnny and she is also happy that her iMac " just works .
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<sentencetext>I'm 100\% with you, but you've got to remember that Apple is a corporation that is only out to make money.
They don't even care about not being evil like Google.
They probably determined that neutering their iphone for China would give them the best profit, just like all of their other product "oversight" has been working in the West.
Sure, as techies we think it is annoying, but mommy is happy to buy a "porn-free" phone for her little Johnny and she is also happy that her iMac "just works.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659305</id>
	<title>Secure Text Message App?</title>
	<author>alohatiger</author>
	<datestamp>1247321220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Isn't there a iPGP or iSecure app for people to send secure text messages?  How will China block that, did they get Apple to preinstall a keylogger as well?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is n't there a iPGP or iSecure app for people to send secure text messages ?
How will China block that , did they get Apple to preinstall a keylogger as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Isn't there a iPGP or iSecure app for people to send secure text messages?
How will China block that, did they get Apple to preinstall a keylogger as well?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28664015</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>amasiancrasian</author>
	<datestamp>1247313420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly. In fact, it's so easy to get an unlocked iPhone 3GS in Hong Kong, and even includes full warranty service and AppleCare. Visit <a href="http://store.apple.com/hk" title="apple.com" rel="nofollow">Apple Online Store - Hong Kong</a> [apple.com] and you can purchase a fully-unlocked, iPhone 3GS without a contract and SIM restrictions so long as you have a Hong Kong shipping address. I'm sure the Chinese who are able to afford an iPhone 3GS will have no trouble traveling south and picking up on these phones for HK$ 6288.</p><p>What these telephone companies in China don't know is that Hong Kong is just three hours away from Shanghai. Knowing the acumen of Chinese customers, it won't take them long to learn that they should just purchase their phones in Hong Kong instead of getting screwed over by the Mainland companies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
In fact , it 's so easy to get an unlocked iPhone 3GS in Hong Kong , and even includes full warranty service and AppleCare .
Visit Apple Online Store - Hong Kong [ apple.com ] and you can purchase a fully-unlocked , iPhone 3GS without a contract and SIM restrictions so long as you have a Hong Kong shipping address .
I 'm sure the Chinese who are able to afford an iPhone 3GS will have no trouble traveling south and picking up on these phones for HK $ 6288.What these telephone companies in China do n't know is that Hong Kong is just three hours away from Shanghai .
Knowing the acumen of Chinese customers , it wo n't take them long to learn that they should just purchase their phones in Hong Kong instead of getting screwed over by the Mainland companies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
In fact, it's so easy to get an unlocked iPhone 3GS in Hong Kong, and even includes full warranty service and AppleCare.
Visit Apple Online Store - Hong Kong [apple.com] and you can purchase a fully-unlocked, iPhone 3GS without a contract and SIM restrictions so long as you have a Hong Kong shipping address.
I'm sure the Chinese who are able to afford an iPhone 3GS will have no trouble traveling south and picking up on these phones for HK$ 6288.What these telephone companies in China don't know is that Hong Kong is just three hours away from Shanghai.
Knowing the acumen of Chinese customers, it won't take them long to learn that they should just purchase their phones in Hong Kong instead of getting screwed over by the Mainland companies.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28663417</id>
	<title>Re:And what does our FCC think about this?</title>
	<author>countertrolling</author>
	<datestamp>1247308500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Honestly you don't have an even casual acquaintance if you think they're fundamentally similar.</i></p><p>Fundamentally they are identical. One is an iron fist. The other is the velvet glove. One uses the raw force of indoctrination. The other uses the even more effective power of dazzling distraction. But the common mission is still control.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Honestly you do n't have an even casual acquaintance if you think they 're fundamentally similar.Fundamentally they are identical .
One is an iron fist .
The other is the velvet glove .
One uses the raw force of indoctrination .
The other uses the even more effective power of dazzling distraction .
But the common mission is still control .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Honestly you don't have an even casual acquaintance if you think they're fundamentally similar.Fundamentally they are identical.
One is an iron fist.
The other is the velvet glove.
One uses the raw force of indoctrination.
The other uses the even more effective power of dazzling distraction.
But the common mission is still control.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28666511</id>
	<title>no wifi = no rogue nets?</title>
	<author>An anonymous Frank</author>
	<datestamp>1247401260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I was reading the summary, I was convinced it had to do with preventing people from using wifi to spawn non-filtered (local) networks to communicate.  It didn't even occur to me that it might have something to do with voip.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I was reading the summary , I was convinced it had to do with preventing people from using wifi to spawn non-filtered ( local ) networks to communicate .
It did n't even occur to me that it might have something to do with voip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I was reading the summary, I was convinced it had to do with preventing people from using wifi to spawn non-filtered (local) networks to communicate.
It didn't even occur to me that it might have something to do with voip.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28663971</id>
	<title>Portable WiFi Router</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247312940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I took a portable wifi router on my last trip to China because my N800 only communicates over WiFi or Bluetooth.  Both were in my carry-on luggage and weren't given a second look at the border.</p><p>This must mean that the hotel connection was completely monitored already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I took a portable wifi router on my last trip to China because my N800 only communicates over WiFi or Bluetooth .
Both were in my carry-on luggage and were n't given a second look at the border.This must mean that the hotel connection was completely monitored already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I took a portable wifi router on my last trip to China because my N800 only communicates over WiFi or Bluetooth.
Both were in my carry-on luggage and weren't given a second look at the border.This must mean that the hotel connection was completely monitored already.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28662527</id>
	<title>I want the opposite -- WiFi, without cellphone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247344680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It looks like a tolerable little handheld computer wifi device.</p><p>If they'll sell it without the cellphone feature, it ought to be fun to have.</p><p>Do I need to get the Communists to order this, or will the free market<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... oh, never mind</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It looks like a tolerable little handheld computer wifi device.If they 'll sell it without the cellphone feature , it ought to be fun to have.Do I need to get the Communists to order this , or will the free market ... oh , never mind</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It looks like a tolerable little handheld computer wifi device.If they'll sell it without the cellphone feature, it ought to be fun to have.Do I need to get the Communists to order this, or will the free market ... oh, never mind</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28660305</id>
	<title>Re:It's all about the benjamins...er....yuan</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1247329500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You also described quite precisely what is happening here in France as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You also described quite precisely what is happening here in France as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You also described quite precisely what is happening here in France as well.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28660105</id>
	<title>Potentially disastrous news for SouthKorean iPhone</title>
	<author>unwastaken</author>
	<datestamp>1247328240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The main reason the iPhone has been held up in Korea is WIFI.  The carriers here don't want it and there is not a single phone here currently that has WIFI.  Although the iPhone 3G and 3GS can be used here (they have network support) they have not been accepted by the carriers so far.  In the last month both have passed testing by the Korean FCC (Radio Research Agency).  However, you still can't import an iPhone here, since carriers require all IMEIs to be registered with them.  They so far have refused to register IMEIs for imported iPhones.  Supposedly Apple will be reaching an agreement in the next week regarding selling the iPhone here in Korea.  Hopefully their agreement won't be the same as that in China!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The main reason the iPhone has been held up in Korea is WIFI .
The carriers here do n't want it and there is not a single phone here currently that has WIFI .
Although the iPhone 3G and 3GS can be used here ( they have network support ) they have not been accepted by the carriers so far .
In the last month both have passed testing by the Korean FCC ( Radio Research Agency ) .
However , you still ca n't import an iPhone here , since carriers require all IMEIs to be registered with them .
They so far have refused to register IMEIs for imported iPhones .
Supposedly Apple will be reaching an agreement in the next week regarding selling the iPhone here in Korea .
Hopefully their agreement wo n't be the same as that in China !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The main reason the iPhone has been held up in Korea is WIFI.
The carriers here don't want it and there is not a single phone here currently that has WIFI.
Although the iPhone 3G and 3GS can be used here (they have network support) they have not been accepted by the carriers so far.
In the last month both have passed testing by the Korean FCC (Radio Research Agency).
However, you still can't import an iPhone here, since carriers require all IMEIs to be registered with them.
They so far have refused to register IMEIs for imported iPhones.
Supposedly Apple will be reaching an agreement in the next week regarding selling the iPhone here in Korea.
Hopefully their agreement won't be the same as that in China!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659163</id>
	<title>And what does our FCC think about this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247318880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The FCC is the American version of China's MIIT.</p><p>If you think the MIIT has that much power over the Chinese people, how much more power does the FCC have over the entire world?</p><p>It's funny, there are so many similarities between China and the U.S. Both are huge world powers that use their military and economic power to intimidate neighbors. Both are led by an oligarchy of unremovable political parties. And both have populaces that are brainwashed and fiercely patriotic.</p><p>China is a good mirror of ourselves, so when this type of thing comes up, it's a good idea to take note and think about how we ourselves are being manipulated right here at home.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The FCC is the American version of China 's MIIT.If you think the MIIT has that much power over the Chinese people , how much more power does the FCC have over the entire world ? It 's funny , there are so many similarities between China and the U.S. Both are huge world powers that use their military and economic power to intimidate neighbors .
Both are led by an oligarchy of unremovable political parties .
And both have populaces that are brainwashed and fiercely patriotic.China is a good mirror of ourselves , so when this type of thing comes up , it 's a good idea to take note and think about how we ourselves are being manipulated right here at home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The FCC is the American version of China's MIIT.If you think the MIIT has that much power over the Chinese people, how much more power does the FCC have over the entire world?It's funny, there are so many similarities between China and the U.S. Both are huge world powers that use their military and economic power to intimidate neighbors.
Both are led by an oligarchy of unremovable political parties.
And both have populaces that are brainwashed and fiercely patriotic.China is a good mirror of ourselves, so when this type of thing comes up, it's a good idea to take note and think about how we ourselves are being manipulated right here at home.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28660007</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247327340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would you have to pay import taxes?<br>iPhones are already made in China.  They even ship directly from Shenzhen when customers in the US buy them online.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you have to pay import taxes ? iPhones are already made in China .
They even ship directly from Shenzhen when customers in the US buy them online .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you have to pay import taxes?iPhones are already made in China.
They even ship directly from Shenzhen when customers in the US buy them online.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659503</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659261</id>
	<title>Lol apple.</title>
	<author>Soutar</author>
	<datestamp>1247320440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Lol, fags sure got told.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Lol , fags sure got told .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lol, fags sure got told.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659821</id>
	<title>Re:Speculated Backdoor...</title>
	<author>LordKaT</author>
	<datestamp>1247326140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>except to paraphrase - "it is in China's character"</p></div><p>Security is based on a model of trust. No matter how advanced your algorithm is, it's all based on the trust you have in the other party to not divulge your secret information. It's also based on the trust you have in the vendor that sold you this secure algorithm to not have a backdoor in it.</p><p>There's just not enough of a trusting relationship between China and the western governments.</p><p>Whether there are a legion of Chinese hackers trying to digitally infiltrate other countries or not, I don't know. China could be printing tens of billions of forged US dollars and sending them to drug cartels around the world, or not.</p><p>These stories of China being the big bad black hole of evil could be true, or they could be part of a disinformation campaign. In either case, the trust needed to get beyond the paranoia of "it's in China's nature" is simply not there.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>except to paraphrase - " it is in China 's character " Security is based on a model of trust .
No matter how advanced your algorithm is , it 's all based on the trust you have in the other party to not divulge your secret information .
It 's also based on the trust you have in the vendor that sold you this secure algorithm to not have a backdoor in it.There 's just not enough of a trusting relationship between China and the western governments.Whether there are a legion of Chinese hackers trying to digitally infiltrate other countries or not , I do n't know .
China could be printing tens of billions of forged US dollars and sending them to drug cartels around the world , or not.These stories of China being the big bad black hole of evil could be true , or they could be part of a disinformation campaign .
In either case , the trust needed to get beyond the paranoia of " it 's in China 's nature " is simply not there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>except to paraphrase - "it is in China's character"Security is based on a model of trust.
No matter how advanced your algorithm is, it's all based on the trust you have in the other party to not divulge your secret information.
It's also based on the trust you have in the vendor that sold you this secure algorithm to not have a backdoor in it.There's just not enough of a trusting relationship between China and the western governments.Whether there are a legion of Chinese hackers trying to digitally infiltrate other countries or not, I don't know.
China could be printing tens of billions of forged US dollars and sending them to drug cartels around the world, or not.These stories of China being the big bad black hole of evil could be true, or they could be part of a disinformation campaign.
In either case, the trust needed to get beyond the paranoia of "it's in China's nature" is simply not there.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659179</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659799</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1247326020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So they don't get arrested for having a non approved ( crippled ) one perhaps?</p><p>I don't live there so im guessing, but i would imagine that it would be a good selling point. "avoid prison, buy genuine apple"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So they do n't get arrested for having a non approved ( crippled ) one perhaps ? I do n't live there so im guessing , but i would imagine that it would be a good selling point .
" avoid prison , buy genuine apple "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they don't get arrested for having a non approved ( crippled ) one perhaps?I don't live there so im guessing, but i would imagine that it would be a good selling point.
"avoid prison, buy genuine apple"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659503</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659753</id>
	<title>Corporate sell-out, business as usual</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247325540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Profits first, principles second. This is yet another example of when business leaders let greed blind them to the real costs involved. Sure, Apple will profit, but at what cost to us all? This is is just social pollution, they aren't dumping effluent into an ocean, they're dumping corruption into a society. I'm constantly surprised at just how little ethical sensitivity is seemingly required these days. Chalk up another one for the tyrants.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Profits first , principles second .
This is yet another example of when business leaders let greed blind them to the real costs involved .
Sure , Apple will profit , but at what cost to us all ?
This is is just social pollution , they are n't dumping effluent into an ocean , they 're dumping corruption into a society .
I 'm constantly surprised at just how little ethical sensitivity is seemingly required these days .
Chalk up another one for the tyrants .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Profits first, principles second.
This is yet another example of when business leaders let greed blind them to the real costs involved.
Sure, Apple will profit, but at what cost to us all?
This is is just social pollution, they aren't dumping effluent into an ocean, they're dumping corruption into a society.
I'm constantly surprised at just how little ethical sensitivity is seemingly required these days.
Chalk up another one for the tyrants.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28666159</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247394000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Probably most of those phones are bandit phones. Which probably means they are they could support any hardware the bandit phone maker had the capability of adding to them</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably most of those phones are bandit phones .
Which probably means they are they could support any hardware the bandit phone maker had the capability of adding to them</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably most of those phones are bandit phones.
Which probably means they are they could support any hardware the bandit phone maker had the capability of adding to them</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659503</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659275</id>
	<title>Gay Tag?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247320620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Very interesting story and one would hope that perhaps the upper Apple management might ultimately make a statement by not selling a "crippled" product in China. unlikely I know.</p><p>However, where exactly is the gay angle to this story?</p><p>Because of course, how unlikely is it that the original poster would have used the word "gay" in anything other than its "happy" or "homosexual" meanings?</p><p>Certainly not used in a pejorative, slightly homophobic, "high school" sense of "gay" as stupid.</p><p>I mean that would be ridiculous and even bringing the issue up is unfair to the original poster. So apologies to you sir, for even implying that you are a 13 year old frightened by his sexuality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Very interesting story and one would hope that perhaps the upper Apple management might ultimately make a statement by not selling a " crippled " product in China .
unlikely I know.However , where exactly is the gay angle to this story ? Because of course , how unlikely is it that the original poster would have used the word " gay " in anything other than its " happy " or " homosexual " meanings ? Certainly not used in a pejorative , slightly homophobic , " high school " sense of " gay " as stupid.I mean that would be ridiculous and even bringing the issue up is unfair to the original poster .
So apologies to you sir , for even implying that you are a 13 year old frightened by his sexuality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Very interesting story and one would hope that perhaps the upper Apple management might ultimately make a statement by not selling a "crippled" product in China.
unlikely I know.However, where exactly is the gay angle to this story?Because of course, how unlikely is it that the original poster would have used the word "gay" in anything other than its "happy" or "homosexual" meanings?Certainly not used in a pejorative, slightly homophobic, "high school" sense of "gay" as stupid.I mean that would be ridiculous and even bringing the issue up is unfair to the original poster.
So apologies to you sir, for even implying that you are a 13 year old frightened by his sexuality.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28665171</id>
	<title>Re:Sure, that'll work.</title>
	<author>\_avs\_007</author>
	<datestamp>1247330160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually there is a HUUUUGE difference with this, as I can see one glaring flaw in your examples... In China, people are screwing over <b>foreign</b> copyright holders and such... If you break <b>chinese</b> law, you can be sure that the government <b>will</b> put a stop to you screwing over the government.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually there is a HUUUUGE difference with this , as I can see one glaring flaw in your examples... In China , people are screwing over foreign copyright holders and such... If you break chinese law , you can be sure that the government will put a stop to you screwing over the government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually there is a HUUUUGE difference with this, as I can see one glaring flaw in your examples... In China, people are screwing over foreign copyright holders and such... If you break chinese law, you can be sure that the government will put a stop to you screwing over the government.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659407</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659135</id>
	<title>Double hobble</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247318580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's bad enough that Apple loads their phone with anti-features, here's an edition which the Chinese government also gets the privilege of crippling even further. What's next, a special edition shipped with elephant poop? Knowing Apple and knowing consumers, that will just make it sell better... *sigh*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's bad enough that Apple loads their phone with anti-features , here 's an edition which the Chinese government also gets the privilege of crippling even further .
What 's next , a special edition shipped with elephant poop ?
Knowing Apple and knowing consumers , that will just make it sell better... * sigh *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's bad enough that Apple loads their phone with anti-features, here's an edition which the Chinese government also gets the privilege of crippling even further.
What's next, a special edition shipped with elephant poop?
Knowing Apple and knowing consumers, that will just make it sell better... *sigh*</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28660235</id>
	<title>Re:It's all about the benjamins...er....yuan</title>
	<author>cerberusss</author>
	<datestamp>1247329080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your subject "It's all about the benjamins...er....yuan" would be nicer if it would say quai instead of yuan. You use the informal name for a dollar, and quai is the colloquial noun. I lived in Shanghai for a couple of months and I have never heard anyone say yuan, only quai.</p><p>Just showing off my l33t Chinese skillz<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your subject " It 's all about the benjamins...er....yuan " would be nicer if it would say quai instead of yuan .
You use the informal name for a dollar , and quai is the colloquial noun .
I lived in Shanghai for a couple of months and I have never heard anyone say yuan , only quai.Just showing off my l33t Chinese skillz : - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your subject "It's all about the benjamins...er....yuan" would be nicer if it would say quai instead of yuan.
You use the informal name for a dollar, and quai is the colloquial noun.
I lived in Shanghai for a couple of months and I have never heard anyone say yuan, only quai.Just showing off my l33t Chinese skillz :-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659157</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28662167</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247342580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>why would you pay import taxes for something made in china? or are some of the parts imported and you have to pay tax for them?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>why would you pay import taxes for something made in china ?
or are some of the parts imported and you have to pay tax for them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>why would you pay import taxes for something made in china?
or are some of the parts imported and you have to pay tax for them?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659503</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659503</id>
	<title>Pointless</title>
	<author>ebonum</author>
	<datestamp>1247323440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I live in Shanghai.  If you are on the subway during rush hour in the morning or evening, I challenge you to look around and not see someone with an iPhone.  They are everywhere here.  There are stores within 200 meters of my apartment that have iPhones for sale.  This is a silly argument.  The iPhone is readily available in China.</p><p>Here is the more interesting point.  The iPhones here are all smuggled in, mostly through Hong Kong.  Since they have been smuggled in, you don't have to pay import taxes.  If Apple gets permission to sell an "official" iPhone, no one will buy it because you will still be able to buy a gray market iPhone for 30\% less.  Why would anyone pay extra for an official iPhone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I live in Shanghai .
If you are on the subway during rush hour in the morning or evening , I challenge you to look around and not see someone with an iPhone .
They are everywhere here .
There are stores within 200 meters of my apartment that have iPhones for sale .
This is a silly argument .
The iPhone is readily available in China.Here is the more interesting point .
The iPhones here are all smuggled in , mostly through Hong Kong .
Since they have been smuggled in , you do n't have to pay import taxes .
If Apple gets permission to sell an " official " iPhone , no one will buy it because you will still be able to buy a gray market iPhone for 30 \ % less .
Why would anyone pay extra for an official iPhone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I live in Shanghai.
If you are on the subway during rush hour in the morning or evening, I challenge you to look around and not see someone with an iPhone.
They are everywhere here.
There are stores within 200 meters of my apartment that have iPhones for sale.
This is a silly argument.
The iPhone is readily available in China.Here is the more interesting point.
The iPhones here are all smuggled in, mostly through Hong Kong.
Since they have been smuggled in, you don't have to pay import taxes.
If Apple gets permission to sell an "official" iPhone, no one will buy it because you will still be able to buy a gray market iPhone for 30\% less.
Why would anyone pay extra for an official iPhone?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659161</id>
	<title>free market catering to consumer's wishes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247318880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"for fear that consumers might be tempted to illegally load VoIP apps and make calls over the Net, undermining carriers' interests."</p><p>Ah yes, the free market catering to consumer's wishes.<br>China turns out to be a good student at this capitalism thing - that apparently can not do without government interference on its behalf.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" for fear that consumers might be tempted to illegally load VoIP apps and make calls over the Net , undermining carriers ' interests .
" Ah yes , the free market catering to consumer 's wishes.China turns out to be a good student at this capitalism thing - that apparently can not do without government interference on its behalf .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"for fear that consumers might be tempted to illegally load VoIP apps and make calls over the Net, undermining carriers' interests.
"Ah yes, the free market catering to consumer's wishes.China turns out to be a good student at this capitalism thing - that apparently can not do without government interference on its behalf.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659297</id>
	<title>Re:And what does our FCC think about this?</title>
	<author>BadAnalogyGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1247321100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=\%22fcc+blocks" title="lmgtfy.com" rel="nofollow">FCC has no absolute veto powers?</a> [lmgtfy.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>FCC has no absolute veto powers ?
[ lmgtfy.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FCC has no absolute veto powers?
[lmgtfy.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659237</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659237</id>
	<title>Re:And what does our FCC think about this?</title>
	<author>moon3</author>
	<datestamp>1247320080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are a bit wrong. FCC can be scrutinized in the US, they have no absolute veto powers. On the other hand you can't question or sue government entities in China or take active stance against the ruling party.<br> <br>What is China doing here is taken straight from the Evil empire's best practices manual.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are a bit wrong .
FCC can be scrutinized in the US , they have no absolute veto powers .
On the other hand you ca n't question or sue government entities in China or take active stance against the ruling party .
What is China doing here is taken straight from the Evil empire 's best practices manual .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are a bit wrong.
FCC can be scrutinized in the US, they have no absolute veto powers.
On the other hand you can't question or sue government entities in China or take active stance against the ruling party.
What is China doing here is taken straight from the Evil empire's best practices manual.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659163</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28661191</id>
	<title>Where else</title>
	<author>ThurstonMoore</author>
	<datestamp>1247334960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the article</p><p> <i>must have WAPI support and chips made in China</i></p><p>Where else would they be made?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article must have WAPI support and chips made in ChinaWhere else would they be made ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article must have WAPI support and chips made in ChinaWhere else would they be made?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28661569</id>
	<title>Re:And what does our FCC think about this?</title>
	<author>DECS</author>
	<datestamp>1247337720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"led by an oligarchy of unremovable political parties"</p><p>Did you notice how the Republican administration and congress were removed in the last year? Maybe it took ten years of sheeping to get there, but the US eventually rejected the Republican party and moved forward, voting in numbers high enough to overcome rampant, orchestrated voter fraud by the Republicans. And when it because impossible to niggle, they (apart from Norm Coleman) stepped down without launching a military attack on civilians, and instead began cheating on their wives. Heck, don't cha know even Sarah Palin gave up and went fishing.</p><p>That doesn't happen in China. They run tanks over people who demonstrate. In the US, demonstrators are only occasionally shot or tazered.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" led by an oligarchy of unremovable political parties " Did you notice how the Republican administration and congress were removed in the last year ?
Maybe it took ten years of sheeping to get there , but the US eventually rejected the Republican party and moved forward , voting in numbers high enough to overcome rampant , orchestrated voter fraud by the Republicans .
And when it because impossible to niggle , they ( apart from Norm Coleman ) stepped down without launching a military attack on civilians , and instead began cheating on their wives .
Heck , do n't cha know even Sarah Palin gave up and went fishing.That does n't happen in China .
They run tanks over people who demonstrate .
In the US , demonstrators are only occasionally shot or tazered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"led by an oligarchy of unremovable political parties"Did you notice how the Republican administration and congress were removed in the last year?
Maybe it took ten years of sheeping to get there, but the US eventually rejected the Republican party and moved forward, voting in numbers high enough to overcome rampant, orchestrated voter fraud by the Republicans.
And when it because impossible to niggle, they (apart from Norm Coleman) stepped down without launching a military attack on civilians, and instead began cheating on their wives.
Heck, don't cha know even Sarah Palin gave up and went fishing.That doesn't happen in China.
They run tanks over people who demonstrate.
In the US, demonstrators are only occasionally shot or tazered.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659163</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659403</id>
	<title>People have been buying WiFi-enabled phone...</title>
	<author>I didn't</author>
	<datestamp>1247322720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...since day 1, as far as I've seen here in Hong Kong.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...since day 1 , as far as I 've seen here in Hong Kong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...since day 1, as far as I've seen here in Hong Kong.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659353</id>
	<title>Re:It's all about the benjamins...er....yuan</title>
	<author>enrevanche</author>
	<datestamp>1247322120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is more control, being able to monitor anybody and especially the perception that anyone can be monitored. All regimes fear change, some more than others.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is more control , being able to monitor anybody and especially the perception that anyone can be monitored .
All regimes fear change , some more than others .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is more control, being able to monitor anybody and especially the perception that anyone can be monitored.
All regimes fear change, some more than others.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659157</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659157</id>
	<title>It's all about the benjamins...er....yuan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247318820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let me translate:</p><p>Illegally load VOIP apps and make calls over the net = cut into the revenue stream for one of the state owned telecom monopolies that doles out substantial sums to friends/relatives/mistresses of the same folks that regulate the telecom industry in the country.</p><p>You don't really think those government functionaries who earn the legitimate equivalent of a secretary's salary in the west can afford the garages full of luxury cars, the multiple homes, and the expense of sending their children to overseas universities, eh?</p><p>Welcome to China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me translate : Illegally load VOIP apps and make calls over the net = cut into the revenue stream for one of the state owned telecom monopolies that doles out substantial sums to friends/relatives/mistresses of the same folks that regulate the telecom industry in the country.You do n't really think those government functionaries who earn the legitimate equivalent of a secretary 's salary in the west can afford the garages full of luxury cars , the multiple homes , and the expense of sending their children to overseas universities , eh ? Welcome to China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me translate:Illegally load VOIP apps and make calls over the net = cut into the revenue stream for one of the state owned telecom monopolies that doles out substantial sums to friends/relatives/mistresses of the same folks that regulate the telecom industry in the country.You don't really think those government functionaries who earn the legitimate equivalent of a secretary's salary in the west can afford the garages full of luxury cars, the multiple homes, and the expense of sending their children to overseas universities, eh?Welcome to China.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659179</id>
	<title>Speculated Backdoor...</title>
	<author>Manip</author>
	<datestamp>1247319060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While there is a lot of speculation that China's WAPI standard would contain a backdoor, there is very little factual evidence (except to paraphrase - "it is in China's character"). The problem is that China didn't release the entire specification to the standards organisations and that is likely a large part of why their protocol was rejected.</p><p>While I have no idea if China's WAPI would contain a backdoor, I do wonder what the purpose of adding it would be. Since the internet in China is heavily monitored and filtered already, why watch the end-points? If someone is using WiFi to spread information which China doesn't approve, having a backdoor won't help nor hurt China's ability to identify that person. Just track it to the WiFi Router/Repeater and then run around with a scanner looking for a laptop (the scanner doesn't need to decode).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While there is a lot of speculation that China 's WAPI standard would contain a backdoor , there is very little factual evidence ( except to paraphrase - " it is in China 's character " ) .
The problem is that China did n't release the entire specification to the standards organisations and that is likely a large part of why their protocol was rejected.While I have no idea if China 's WAPI would contain a backdoor , I do wonder what the purpose of adding it would be .
Since the internet in China is heavily monitored and filtered already , why watch the end-points ?
If someone is using WiFi to spread information which China does n't approve , having a backdoor wo n't help nor hurt China 's ability to identify that person .
Just track it to the WiFi Router/Repeater and then run around with a scanner looking for a laptop ( the scanner does n't need to decode ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While there is a lot of speculation that China's WAPI standard would contain a backdoor, there is very little factual evidence (except to paraphrase - "it is in China's character").
The problem is that China didn't release the entire specification to the standards organisations and that is likely a large part of why their protocol was rejected.While I have no idea if China's WAPI would contain a backdoor, I do wonder what the purpose of adding it would be.
Since the internet in China is heavily monitored and filtered already, why watch the end-points?
If someone is using WiFi to spread information which China doesn't approve, having a backdoor won't help nor hurt China's ability to identify that person.
Just track it to the WiFi Router/Repeater and then run around with a scanner looking for a laptop (the scanner doesn't need to decode).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659269</id>
	<title>At least the Chinese aren't a bunch of fatasses</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247320620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>how about just not being a lazy lardass? course you can take diet pills or get your stomach stapled, that way you never have to get over your helpless "its too haaaarrrrdddd" loser attitude. is that the selling point of those things? how to lose weight without confronting the character flaws and loser tendencies that made you into a fatass in the first place. it's too much like cheating. really to hear these fatties talk you'd think that nothing they ever did could have possibly ever had anything to do whatsoever with their fatass lardass condition. their denial is the only thing more disgusting than their rolls of fat. i got news for you thunderthighs, less than one half of one percent of you fatasses have a thyroid disorder, all of the rest of you are lazy fucks with a million excuses.</htmltext>
<tokenext>how about just not being a lazy lardass ?
course you can take diet pills or get your stomach stapled , that way you never have to get over your helpless " its too haaaarrrrdddd " loser attitude .
is that the selling point of those things ?
how to lose weight without confronting the character flaws and loser tendencies that made you into a fatass in the first place .
it 's too much like cheating .
really to hear these fatties talk you 'd think that nothing they ever did could have possibly ever had anything to do whatsoever with their fatass lardass condition .
their denial is the only thing more disgusting than their rolls of fat .
i got news for you thunderthighs , less than one half of one percent of you fatasses have a thyroid disorder , all of the rest of you are lazy fucks with a million excuses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how about just not being a lazy lardass?
course you can take diet pills or get your stomach stapled, that way you never have to get over your helpless "its too haaaarrrrdddd" loser attitude.
is that the selling point of those things?
how to lose weight without confronting the character flaws and loser tendencies that made you into a fatass in the first place.
it's too much like cheating.
really to hear these fatties talk you'd think that nothing they ever did could have possibly ever had anything to do whatsoever with their fatass lardass condition.
their denial is the only thing more disgusting than their rolls of fat.
i got news for you thunderthighs, less than one half of one percent of you fatasses have a thyroid disorder, all of the rest of you are lazy fucks with a million excuses.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659117</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659147</id>
	<title>And I care about the price of tea in China because</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247318700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And I care about the price of tea in China because why?</p><p>It's China!  No one READING this cares what the hell those freaking, weirdass aliens do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And I care about the price of tea in China because why ? It 's China !
No one READING this cares what the hell those freaking , weirdass aliens do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And I care about the price of tea in China because why?It's China!
No one READING this cares what the hell those freaking, weirdass aliens do.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28661259</id>
	<title>Re:It's all about the benjamins...er....yuan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247335380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Chairman Mao is on the 100 yuan bill. So it's "all about and Maos".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Chairman Mao is on the 100 yuan bill .
So it 's " all about and Maos " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chairman Mao is on the 100 yuan bill.
So it's "all about and Maos".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28660235</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28663485</id>
	<title>Jailbreak?</title>
	<author>TibbonZero</author>
	<datestamp>1247308860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Umm, I'm wondering if Apple is going to just mega-halfass what's needed to Jailbreak the firmware over there. I mean SOMEONE is going to figure out how to enable it. "opps" Apple can just blame it on "hackers" <br>
It's not like we haven't jailbroken every version of the OS over here within days of its release. Just disable the wifi in firmware. Someone will hack it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Umm , I 'm wondering if Apple is going to just mega-halfass what 's needed to Jailbreak the firmware over there .
I mean SOMEONE is going to figure out how to enable it .
" opps " Apple can just blame it on " hackers " It 's not like we have n't jailbroken every version of the OS over here within days of its release .
Just disable the wifi in firmware .
Someone will hack it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Umm, I'm wondering if Apple is going to just mega-halfass what's needed to Jailbreak the firmware over there.
I mean SOMEONE is going to figure out how to enable it.
"opps" Apple can just blame it on "hackers" 
It's not like we haven't jailbroken every version of the OS over here within days of its release.
Just disable the wifi in firmware.
Someone will hack it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659323</id>
	<title>The other demand.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247321760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>was that they be colored red.</p><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotations\_from\_Chairman\_Mao\_Zedong</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>was that they be colored red.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotations \ _from \ _Chairman \ _Mao \ _Zedong</tokentext>
<sentencetext>was that they be colored red.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotations\_from\_Chairman\_Mao\_Zedong</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659795</id>
	<title>speculates there is a backdoor?</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1247325900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speculates?!? Geez, its china, what would you expect?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speculates ? ! ?
Geez , its china , what would you expect ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speculates?!?
Geez, its china, what would you expect?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28662001</id>
	<title>I call BS</title>
	<author>chmodU</author>
	<datestamp>1247341440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What problem is Apple having? There were some stupid laws on WIFI enabled phones, but Nokia's E-series WIFI enabled phones have already been released in China early this year.</p><p>Furthermore, there are plenty of iphones for sale in China on the black markets. Plenty of people using them on the subways and such...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What problem is Apple having ?
There were some stupid laws on WIFI enabled phones , but Nokia 's E-series WIFI enabled phones have already been released in China early this year.Furthermore , there are plenty of iphones for sale in China on the black markets .
Plenty of people using them on the subways and such.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What problem is Apple having?
There were some stupid laws on WIFI enabled phones, but Nokia's E-series WIFI enabled phones have already been released in China early this year.Furthermore, there are plenty of iphones for sale in China on the black markets.
Plenty of people using them on the subways and such...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28669047</id>
	<title>Re:Load illegal applications?</title>
	<author>Ivy chen</author>
	<datestamp>1247430060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>www.efeatrade.com
Our company sell all kinds of electronic products.Ourcompany web is: www.efeatrade.com.Our company wholesale 3G iphone16GB,32GB and Apple sony hp dell laptop and kingston USB .
welcome toour company web: www.efeatrade.com</htmltext>
<tokenext>www.efeatrade.com Our company sell all kinds of electronic products.Ourcompany web is : www.efeatrade.com.Our company wholesale 3G iphone16GB,32GB and Apple sony hp dell laptop and kingston USB .
welcome toour company web : www.efeatrade.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>www.efeatrade.com
Our company sell all kinds of electronic products.Ourcompany web is: www.efeatrade.com.Our company wholesale 3G iphone16GB,32GB and Apple sony hp dell laptop and kingston USB .
welcome toour company web: www.efeatrade.com</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659117</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28662465</id>
	<title>Re:Double hobble</title>
	<author>davester666</author>
	<datestamp>1247344320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Chinese gov't is pretty good at dictating requirements for products that their slaves er citizens can use to communicate with one another and the outside world.  It's relatively easy to monitor/control the cellular network.</p><p>Cell phones having wifi would essentially mean thousands of mobile wireless access points, that can directly communicate with one another, and that communication would not be easy to monitor or control.</p><p>This is no different from the Chinese gov't requiring spyware to be pre-installed on all PCs.</p><p>Personally, I wish companies wouldn't give in to the Chinese gov't just to make a few extra bucks.  If they don't give in, there is still the demand for those companies products, so they'll get smuggled in without these stupid restrictions (as there are already a fair number of iPhones already in China).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Chinese gov't is pretty good at dictating requirements for products that their slaves er citizens can use to communicate with one another and the outside world .
It 's relatively easy to monitor/control the cellular network.Cell phones having wifi would essentially mean thousands of mobile wireless access points , that can directly communicate with one another , and that communication would not be easy to monitor or control.This is no different from the Chinese gov't requiring spyware to be pre-installed on all PCs.Personally , I wish companies would n't give in to the Chinese gov't just to make a few extra bucks .
If they do n't give in , there is still the demand for those companies products , so they 'll get smuggled in without these stupid restrictions ( as there are already a fair number of iPhones already in China ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Chinese gov't is pretty good at dictating requirements for products that their slaves er citizens can use to communicate with one another and the outside world.
It's relatively easy to monitor/control the cellular network.Cell phones having wifi would essentially mean thousands of mobile wireless access points, that can directly communicate with one another, and that communication would not be easy to monitor or control.This is no different from the Chinese gov't requiring spyware to be pre-installed on all PCs.Personally, I wish companies wouldn't give in to the Chinese gov't just to make a few extra bucks.
If they don't give in, there is still the demand for those companies products, so they'll get smuggled in without these stupid restrictions (as there are already a fair number of iPhones already in China).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659135</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28662519</id>
	<title>Speculated?</title>
	<author>Wolfier</author>
	<datestamp>1247344680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is just no other reason why the Chinese government would choose its own standard.</p><p>The information ministry has already noted that mobile communications have to be "controlled".  I can bet you anything that China already has in place a method to filter or control WAPI traffics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is just no other reason why the Chinese government would choose its own standard.The information ministry has already noted that mobile communications have to be " controlled " .
I can bet you anything that China already has in place a method to filter or control WAPI traffics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is just no other reason why the Chinese government would choose its own standard.The information ministry has already noted that mobile communications have to be "controlled".
I can bet you anything that China already has in place a method to filter or control WAPI traffics.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659179</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28662233</id>
	<title>typo</title>
	<author>commodoresloat</author>
	<datestamp>1247342940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What's next, a special edition shipped with elephant poop? Knowing Apple and knowing consumers, that will just make it sell better... *sigh*</p></div><p>Did you mean "smell better"?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's next , a special edition shipped with elephant poop ?
Knowing Apple and knowing consumers , that will just make it sell better... * sigh * Did you mean " smell better " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's next, a special edition shipped with elephant poop?
Knowing Apple and knowing consumers, that will just make it sell better... *sigh*Did you mean "smell better"?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659135</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28665051</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>firewood</author>
	<datestamp>1247328240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would there be an import tax on something manufactured in Shenzhen?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would there be an import tax on something manufactured in Shenzhen ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would there be an import tax on something manufactured in Shenzhen?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659503</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659879</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>WilliamBaughman</author>
	<datestamp>1247326500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just out of curiosity, how many of the iPhones that you see do you think are grey market iPhones and how many of them are shanzhai phones?  This is something I've wondered because both types seem to be popular:</p><p> <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/18/business/worldbusiness/18iphone.html" title="nytimes.com" rel="nofollow">After China Ships Out iPhones, Smugglers Make It a Return Trip</a> [nytimes.com] </p><p> <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/28/technology/28cell.html" title="nytimes.com" rel="nofollow">In China, Knockoff Cellphones Are a Hit</a> [nytimes.com] </p><p>Also, what's the prevalence of WAPI vs WiFi near where you live and work?  Wikipedia says that there's a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WLAN\_Authentication\_and\_Privacy\_Infrastructure" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">"government preference"</a> [wikipedia.org] towards WAPI, but that it's not mandatory.  Maybe the Chinese government wants it to be usable by state workers?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just out of curiosity , how many of the iPhones that you see do you think are grey market iPhones and how many of them are shanzhai phones ?
This is something I 've wondered because both types seem to be popular : After China Ships Out iPhones , Smugglers Make It a Return Trip [ nytimes.com ] In China , Knockoff Cellphones Are a Hit [ nytimes.com ] Also , what 's the prevalence of WAPI vs WiFi near where you live and work ?
Wikipedia says that there 's a " government preference " [ wikipedia.org ] towards WAPI , but that it 's not mandatory .
Maybe the Chinese government wants it to be usable by state workers ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just out of curiosity, how many of the iPhones that you see do you think are grey market iPhones and how many of them are shanzhai phones?
This is something I've wondered because both types seem to be popular: After China Ships Out iPhones, Smugglers Make It a Return Trip [nytimes.com]  In China, Knockoff Cellphones Are a Hit [nytimes.com] Also, what's the prevalence of WAPI vs WiFi near where you live and work?
Wikipedia says that there's a "government preference" [wikipedia.org] towards WAPI, but that it's not mandatory.
Maybe the Chinese government wants it to be usable by state workers?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659503</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659145</id>
	<title>WAPI not for the proles</title>
	<author>sakdoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1247318700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WAPI is only for the inner party. The proles get bog standard WPA2 consumer equipment.<br>Also, Chinese consumers will get the WiFi enabled one on the black-market.</p><p>In general, the more government interference, the better developed the black-market will be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WAPI is only for the inner party .
The proles get bog standard WPA2 consumer equipment.Also , Chinese consumers will get the WiFi enabled one on the black-market.In general , the more government interference , the better developed the black-market will be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WAPI is only for the inner party.
The proles get bog standard WPA2 consumer equipment.Also, Chinese consumers will get the WiFi enabled one on the black-market.In general, the more government interference, the better developed the black-market will be.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28660899</id>
	<title>All phone systems have back doors for wire taps</title>
	<author>flyingfsck</author>
	<datestamp>1247333100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All major phone systems have special back-door capabilities built-in.  I used to design and build phone systems for small company.  One day we got a visit by a nice man in black and following that, our systems had the standard back doors too.  This is not secret at all, it is just not well known amongst the public.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All major phone systems have special back-door capabilities built-in .
I used to design and build phone systems for small company .
One day we got a visit by a nice man in black and following that , our systems had the standard back doors too .
This is not secret at all , it is just not well known amongst the public .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All major phone systems have special back-door capabilities built-in.
I used to design and build phone systems for small company.
One day we got a visit by a nice man in black and following that, our systems had the standard back doors too.
This is not secret at all, it is just not well known amongst the public.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659677</id>
	<title>Re:And what does our FCC think about this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247324940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know anti-US comments are an automatic +5 Insightful on Slashdot, but this is absurd.</p><p>The MIIT employs huge blocks of censors filtering content, has people arrested for using the Internet wrong, employs huge amounts of people to flood web 2.0 sites with nationalistic messages, places strict limits on the number of foreign movies that can be imported, censors the content of these movies, has banned Cannes-wining filmmaker Lou Ye from making movies for five years because his movie didn't pass government censors, blocks Youtube, Facebook, and some of the most popular internet sites on the web, cuts off all telecommunications in places where minorities are getting killed and might want to report on what's happening, and that's just a few modern examples off the top of my head.</p><p>If the FCC did all of this in the US, people (hopefully) would be revolting in the streets.</p><p>The FCC has its problems but the MIIT is a terrible monster backed up by a government with a willingness to go military on its own people, and really you're doing a disservice to the very real evilness of the MIIT by saying "Oh yeah America has a version of that too."  Honestly you don't have an even casual acquaintance if you think they're fundamentally similar.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know anti-US comments are an automatic + 5 Insightful on Slashdot , but this is absurd.The MIIT employs huge blocks of censors filtering content , has people arrested for using the Internet wrong , employs huge amounts of people to flood web 2.0 sites with nationalistic messages , places strict limits on the number of foreign movies that can be imported , censors the content of these movies , has banned Cannes-wining filmmaker Lou Ye from making movies for five years because his movie did n't pass government censors , blocks Youtube , Facebook , and some of the most popular internet sites on the web , cuts off all telecommunications in places where minorities are getting killed and might want to report on what 's happening , and that 's just a few modern examples off the top of my head.If the FCC did all of this in the US , people ( hopefully ) would be revolting in the streets.The FCC has its problems but the MIIT is a terrible monster backed up by a government with a willingness to go military on its own people , and really you 're doing a disservice to the very real evilness of the MIIT by saying " Oh yeah America has a version of that too .
" Honestly you do n't have an even casual acquaintance if you think they 're fundamentally similar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know anti-US comments are an automatic +5 Insightful on Slashdot, but this is absurd.The MIIT employs huge blocks of censors filtering content, has people arrested for using the Internet wrong, employs huge amounts of people to flood web 2.0 sites with nationalistic messages, places strict limits on the number of foreign movies that can be imported, censors the content of these movies, has banned Cannes-wining filmmaker Lou Ye from making movies for five years because his movie didn't pass government censors, blocks Youtube, Facebook, and some of the most popular internet sites on the web, cuts off all telecommunications in places where minorities are getting killed and might want to report on what's happening, and that's just a few modern examples off the top of my head.If the FCC did all of this in the US, people (hopefully) would be revolting in the streets.The FCC has its problems but the MIIT is a terrible monster backed up by a government with a willingness to go military on its own people, and really you're doing a disservice to the very real evilness of the MIIT by saying "Oh yeah America has a version of that too.
"  Honestly you don't have an even casual acquaintance if you think they're fundamentally similar.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28660261</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless - not so</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247329200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Beijing and Shanghai  have a quantity of fully functional iphones  see here-&gt;</p><p>http://tinyurl.com/2nvv4o</p><p>tip: look for small points of blue.</p><p>Assume that no initial coverage was present these must be requests from GPS bearing iphones that sniff for surrounding wifi points.</p><p>doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the importance of location when controlled by the Chinese regime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Beijing and Shanghai have a quantity of fully functional iphones see here- &gt; http : //tinyurl.com/2nvv4otip : look for small points of blue.Assume that no initial coverage was present these must be requests from GPS bearing iphones that sniff for surrounding wifi points.does n't take a rocket scientist to understand the importance of location when controlled by the Chinese regime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Beijing and Shanghai  have a quantity of fully functional iphones  see here-&gt;http://tinyurl.com/2nvv4otip: look for small points of blue.Assume that no initial coverage was present these must be requests from GPS bearing iphones that sniff for surrounding wifi points.doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand the importance of location when controlled by the Chinese regime.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659503</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659785</id>
	<title>Re:And what does our FCC think about this?</title>
	<author>anagama</author>
	<datestamp>1247325840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Totally brilliant!  I don't have mod points, but I wish I did -- and just yesterday I was wasting them moding ACs as funny.  That's about the most insightful comment I've ever read on slashdot.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Totally brilliant !
I do n't have mod points , but I wish I did -- and just yesterday I was wasting them moding ACs as funny .
That 's about the most insightful comment I 've ever read on slashdot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Totally brilliant!
I don't have mod points, but I wish I did -- and just yesterday I was wasting them moding ACs as funny.
That's about the most insightful comment I've ever read on slashdot.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659597</id>
	<title>Re: Evil Empire?</title>
	<author>Macrat</author>
	<datestamp>1247324220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What is China doing here is taken straight from the Evil empire's best practices manual.</p></div><p>Microsoft?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What is China doing here is taken straight from the Evil empire 's best practices manual.Microsoft ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is China doing here is taken straight from the Evil empire's best practices manual.Microsoft?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28660589</id>
	<title>Re:People have been buying WiFi-enabled phone...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247331120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yeap, its real.</p><p>here in shanghai i can go down the street and buy a number of wifi-enabled handsets for around the same price as HK, TW or other nearby countries.</p><p>I can also buy knock offs (not copies, just clones) made in china, for sale and use in china, with the same feature.</p><p>I got my phone in HK and it has wifi, later my friend got the same one in shanghai. it didn't have wifi, but a new rom solved that problem.</p><p>its like alot of things I think, you can have as much freedom as you like here as long as you don't actively piss off the government. having a wifi enabled phone doesn't immediately qualify as that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yeap , its real.here in shanghai i can go down the street and buy a number of wifi-enabled handsets for around the same price as HK , TW or other nearby countries.I can also buy knock offs ( not copies , just clones ) made in china , for sale and use in china , with the same feature.I got my phone in HK and it has wifi , later my friend got the same one in shanghai .
it did n't have wifi , but a new rom solved that problem.its like alot of things I think , you can have as much freedom as you like here as long as you do n't actively piss off the government .
having a wifi enabled phone does n't immediately qualify as that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yeap, its real.here in shanghai i can go down the street and buy a number of wifi-enabled handsets for around the same price as HK, TW or other nearby countries.I can also buy knock offs (not copies, just clones) made in china, for sale and use in china, with the same feature.I got my phone in HK and it has wifi, later my friend got the same one in shanghai.
it didn't have wifi, but a new rom solved that problem.its like alot of things I think, you can have as much freedom as you like here as long as you don't actively piss off the government.
having a wifi enabled phone doesn't immediately qualify as that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659117</id>
	<title>Load illegal applications?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247318340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since when has loading an application on the iphone been illegal ? Mind this is Apple!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since when has loading an application on the iphone been illegal ?
Mind this is Apple !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since when has loading an application on the iphone been illegal ?
Mind this is Apple!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659407</id>
	<title>Sure, that'll work.</title>
	<author>192939495969798999</author>
	<datestamp>1247322720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So you have a society that:<br>1. sells movies all over the place before they even hit the theaters,<br>2. sells pirated software from major companies all over the place,<br>3. hacks basically anything and everything just for fun,<br>4. probably has a nationwide pringles-can wifi darknet,<br>and you think you can "disable" wifi on a phone there?  Yeah, good luck with that.  When you're done with that, maybe you can hold back the ocean with a broom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So you have a society that : 1. sells movies all over the place before they even hit the theaters,2 .
sells pirated software from major companies all over the place,3 .
hacks basically anything and everything just for fun,4 .
probably has a nationwide pringles-can wifi darknet,and you think you can " disable " wifi on a phone there ?
Yeah , good luck with that .
When you 're done with that , maybe you can hold back the ocean with a broom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you have a society that:1. sells movies all over the place before they even hit the theaters,2.
sells pirated software from major companies all over the place,3.
hacks basically anything and everything just for fun,4.
probably has a nationwide pringles-can wifi darknet,and you think you can "disable" wifi on a phone there?
Yeah, good luck with that.
When you're done with that, maybe you can hold back the ocean with a broom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28659343</id>
	<title>Re:Load illegal applications?</title>
	<author>beelsebob</author>
	<datestamp>1247322000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since we're talking about china &gt;.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since we 're talking about china &gt; .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since we're talking about china &gt;.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_11_0216229.28660823</id>
	<title>Re:And what does our FCC think about this?</title>
	<author>CajunArson</author>
	<datestamp>1247332560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Your nickname is a bit ironic here. </i><br>Oh, it's not ironic at all. BadAnalogy guy is a meta-troll who posts things that are  blatantly factually incorrect, but gets modded up because he knows how to play on the biases that exist on Slashdot.  For example, it is very popular with the "elite" Slashdot moderators to negatively compare the US to any other country in the world, no matter how despotic they are, and BadAnalogy guy did this to get moderation points here.  Then somebody who actually has a clue about what is really going on invariably corrects him, but unfortunately is often not up-modded to match the original troll.   In that regard, it would only be ironic if his name was GoodAnalogyGuy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your nickname is a bit ironic here .
Oh , it 's not ironic at all .
BadAnalogy guy is a meta-troll who posts things that are blatantly factually incorrect , but gets modded up because he knows how to play on the biases that exist on Slashdot .
For example , it is very popular with the " elite " Slashdot moderators to negatively compare the US to any other country in the world , no matter how despotic they are , and BadAnalogy guy did this to get moderation points here .
Then somebody who actually has a clue about what is really going on invariably corrects him , but unfortunately is often not up-modded to match the original troll .
In that regard , it would only be ironic if his name was GoodAnalogyGuy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your nickname is a bit ironic here.
Oh, it's not ironic at all.
BadAnalogy guy is a meta-troll who posts things that are  blatantly factually incorrect, but gets modded up because he knows how to play on the biases that exist on Slashdot.
For example, it is very popular with the "elite" Slashdot moderators to negatively compare the US to any other country in the world, no matter how despotic they are, and BadAnalogy guy did this to get moderation points here.
Then somebody who actually has a clue about what is really going on invariably corrects him, but unfortunately is often not up-modded to match the original troll.
In that regard, it would only be ironic if his name was GoodAnalogyGuy.</sentencetext>
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