<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_10_2318252</id>
	<title>Bletchley Park WWII Staff Finally Recognized</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1247242020000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>99luftballon writes <i>"Nearly 70 years after Station X (aka the Bletchley Park cryptanalysis unit) was set up, the surviving members <a href="http://www.v3.co.uk/v3/news/2245801/government-honours-veterans">are to be honored by the British government</a>. Bletchley was one of the most important computing centers of its time and housed giants of the technology industry (as it was) like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy\_Flowers">Tommy Flowers</a>, who built <a href="http://www.codesandciphers.org.uk/lorenz/colossus.htm">Colossus</a>, and <a href="http://www.turing.org.uk/turing/">Dr. Alan Turing</a>. I was lucky enough to meet one of the staff at the site 11 years ago, and she was very bitter that their work was never recognized, and that they were bound by the Official Secrets Act and couldn't talk about it. It's just a shame that so few of the staff are still alive to receive the award."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>99luftballon writes " Nearly 70 years after Station X ( aka the Bletchley Park cryptanalysis unit ) was set up , the surviving members are to be honored by the British government .
Bletchley was one of the most important computing centers of its time and housed giants of the technology industry ( as it was ) like Tommy Flowers , who built Colossus , and Dr. Alan Turing .
I was lucky enough to meet one of the staff at the site 11 years ago , and she was very bitter that their work was never recognized , and that they were bound by the Official Secrets Act and could n't talk about it .
It 's just a shame that so few of the staff are still alive to receive the award .
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<sentencetext>99luftballon writes "Nearly 70 years after Station X (aka the Bletchley Park cryptanalysis unit) was set up, the surviving members are to be honored by the British government.
Bletchley was one of the most important computing centers of its time and housed giants of the technology industry (as it was) like Tommy Flowers, who built Colossus, and Dr. Alan Turing.
I was lucky enough to meet one of the staff at the site 11 years ago, and she was very bitter that their work was never recognized, and that they were bound by the Official Secrets Act and couldn't talk about it.
It's just a shame that so few of the staff are still alive to receive the award.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28657703</id>
	<title>Wait, you mean computers weren't invented at MIT?</title>
	<author>ehack</author>
	<datestamp>1247246880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yet another case where a technology was invented in the UK, and due to secrecy the recognition and profit went elsewhere. RSA is another example.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet another case where a technology was invented in the UK , and due to secrecy the recognition and profit went elsewhere .
RSA is another example .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet another case where a technology was invented in the UK, and due to secrecy the recognition and profit went elsewhere.
RSA is another example.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28657867</id>
	<title>If it happened today...</title>
	<author>lewko</author>
	<datestamp>1247250180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These people deserve recognition just for the fact they served their country for so many years.</p><p>These days, many people would be tempted to post their activities to the web and be interviewed by the New York Times, who in turn would be thrilled to get the scoop, at the expense of national security. The enemies of freedom know how to abuse ours...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These people deserve recognition just for the fact they served their country for so many years.These days , many people would be tempted to post their activities to the web and be interviewed by the New York Times , who in turn would be thrilled to get the scoop , at the expense of national security .
The enemies of freedom know how to abuse ours.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These people deserve recognition just for the fact they served their country for so many years.These days, many people would be tempted to post their activities to the web and be interviewed by the New York Times, who in turn would be thrilled to get the scoop, at the expense of national security.
The enemies of freedom know how to abuse ours...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28659017</id>
	<title>If they recognize you, only when they have to,</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1247316720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and do nothing, when they can (like when it's a secret anyway),</p><p>then you know that they are not doing that recognition spectacle for you to be known, but for them to be known.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and do nothing , when they can ( like when it 's a secret anyway ) ,then you know that they are not doing that recognition spectacle for you to be known , but for them to be known .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and do nothing, when they can (like when it's a secret anyway),then you know that they are not doing that recognition spectacle for you to be known, but for them to be known.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28657833</id>
	<title>Re:Let's Start With an Apology</title>
	<author>BadAnalogyGuy</author>
	<datestamp>1247249520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The two things are separate.</p><p>First, he worked for the government as a code breaker. While he has not received official recognition until now, it must be remembered that this was a top-secret operation and there was always the possibility that the operation would never be recognized.</p><p>Second, he was gay. Like other gays in Britain at that time, he was persecuted and prosecuted.</p><p>Now if you want to say that he should be recognized above and beyond his workmates at Bletchley because he was also gay, that simply doesn't make any sense.</p><p>If you want to say he should be apologized to more than any other persecuted gay person because he was somehow more useful to the government than the others, that also doesn't make any sense.</p><p>Putting these two things together is a non-sequitor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The two things are separate.First , he worked for the government as a code breaker .
While he has not received official recognition until now , it must be remembered that this was a top-secret operation and there was always the possibility that the operation would never be recognized.Second , he was gay .
Like other gays in Britain at that time , he was persecuted and prosecuted.Now if you want to say that he should be recognized above and beyond his workmates at Bletchley because he was also gay , that simply does n't make any sense.If you want to say he should be apologized to more than any other persecuted gay person because he was somehow more useful to the government than the others , that also does n't make any sense.Putting these two things together is a non-sequitor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The two things are separate.First, he worked for the government as a code breaker.
While he has not received official recognition until now, it must be remembered that this was a top-secret operation and there was always the possibility that the operation would never be recognized.Second, he was gay.
Like other gays in Britain at that time, he was persecuted and prosecuted.Now if you want to say that he should be recognized above and beyond his workmates at Bletchley because he was also gay, that simply doesn't make any sense.If you want to say he should be apologized to more than any other persecuted gay person because he was somehow more useful to the government than the others, that also doesn't make any sense.Putting these two things together is a non-sequitor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28658435</id>
	<title>Re:Unprofessional</title>
	<author>tonyr60</author>
	<datestamp>1247303880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There appears to be a perception that this work has stopped, it had not... <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon\_(signals\_intelligence)" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon\_(signals\_intelligence)</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There appears to be a perception that this work has stopped , it had not... http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon \ _ ( signals \ _intelligence ) [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There appears to be a perception that this work has stopped, it had not... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon\_(signals\_intelligence) [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28657955</id>
	<title>Re:Unprofessional</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247251980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about recognizing the Navy personnel in Hawaii who worked on the Japanese codes? My late father in law, pre war IBM, was commissioned and sent over there as one of the supervisors to the group using IBM tabulating machines. He never broke cover in all the years I knew him. Even when I figured out what he and other of his IBM colleagues had done, he simply changed the subject. And, that was over 22 years after the fact. Classified is classified and there is no shelf date.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about recognizing the Navy personnel in Hawaii who worked on the Japanese codes ?
My late father in law , pre war IBM , was commissioned and sent over there as one of the supervisors to the group using IBM tabulating machines .
He never broke cover in all the years I knew him .
Even when I figured out what he and other of his IBM colleagues had done , he simply changed the subject .
And , that was over 22 years after the fact .
Classified is classified and there is no shelf date .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about recognizing the Navy personnel in Hawaii who worked on the Japanese codes?
My late father in law, pre war IBM, was commissioned and sent over there as one of the supervisors to the group using IBM tabulating machines.
He never broke cover in all the years I knew him.
Even when I figured out what he and other of his IBM colleagues had done, he simply changed the subject.
And, that was over 22 years after the fact.
Classified is classified and there is no shelf date.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28658201</id>
	<title>Careless Talk and all that</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247342760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My Father served for a time in 1942 at Bletchley Park. He wasn't involved with the 'real work' but his duties were to guard those who were.<br>Right up to his death in 1994, he refused point blank to talk about what went on there even though there were TV progs and even books available about the work that went on. All he would say was that 'I was stationed in Buckinghamshire and we guarded some very important people. We were told never to speak about where we were and what we were doing. He was emphatic about that. Even today people who worked there are very reluctant to talk about it.</p><p>He was the same btw about the scenes he was in 1945 when his company was one of the first into Belsen. They were forbidden to talk about it. He never did.</p><p>I only found out about both places from his diaries that were passed on to me after his death.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My Father served for a time in 1942 at Bletchley Park .
He was n't involved with the 'real work ' but his duties were to guard those who were.Right up to his death in 1994 , he refused point blank to talk about what went on there even though there were TV progs and even books available about the work that went on .
All he would say was that 'I was stationed in Buckinghamshire and we guarded some very important people .
We were told never to speak about where we were and what we were doing .
He was emphatic about that .
Even today people who worked there are very reluctant to talk about it.He was the same btw about the scenes he was in 1945 when his company was one of the first into Belsen .
They were forbidden to talk about it .
He never did.I only found out about both places from his diaries that were passed on to me after his death .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Father served for a time in 1942 at Bletchley Park.
He wasn't involved with the 'real work' but his duties were to guard those who were.Right up to his death in 1994, he refused point blank to talk about what went on there even though there were TV progs and even books available about the work that went on.
All he would say was that 'I was stationed in Buckinghamshire and we guarded some very important people.
We were told never to speak about where we were and what we were doing.
He was emphatic about that.
Even today people who worked there are very reluctant to talk about it.He was the same btw about the scenes he was in 1945 when his company was one of the first into Belsen.
They were forbidden to talk about it.
He never did.I only found out about both places from his diaries that were passed on to me after his death.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28659745</id>
	<title>Recommend a visit to Bletchley Park</title>
	<author>jonv</author>
	<datestamp>1247325420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lots to see at Bletchley with the National Museum of computing also located there:http://www.tnmoc.org/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lots to see at Bletchley with the National Museum of computing also located there : http : //www.tnmoc.org/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lots to see at Bletchley with the National Museum of computing also located there:http://www.tnmoc.org/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28658819</id>
	<title>Re:Let's Start With an Apology</title>
	<author>Kirth Gersen</author>
	<datestamp>1247311380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BadAnalogyGuy:</p><blockquote><div><p>If you want to say he should be apologized to more than any other persecuted gay person because he was somehow more useful to the government than the others, that also doesn't make any sense.</p></div></blockquote><p>It makes sense to me. Here's another analogy: have you heard of the recent case where a Moslem woman was suing some guy in a German court, the guy starts stabbing her, her husband wades in to stop him, then a guard shows up and shoots the husband? Don't you think the husband deserves more of an apology than the usual innocent bystander gets?</p><p>And trust me, I believe persecuted gay guys and shot innocent bystanders both deserve *big* apologies.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>BadAnalogyGuy : If you want to say he should be apologized to more than any other persecuted gay person because he was somehow more useful to the government than the others , that also does n't make any sense.It makes sense to me .
Here 's another analogy : have you heard of the recent case where a Moslem woman was suing some guy in a German court , the guy starts stabbing her , her husband wades in to stop him , then a guard shows up and shoots the husband ?
Do n't you think the husband deserves more of an apology than the usual innocent bystander gets ? And trust me , I believe persecuted gay guys and shot innocent bystanders both deserve * big * apologies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BadAnalogyGuy:If you want to say he should be apologized to more than any other persecuted gay person because he was somehow more useful to the government than the others, that also doesn't make any sense.It makes sense to me.
Here's another analogy: have you heard of the recent case where a Moslem woman was suing some guy in a German court, the guy starts stabbing her, her husband wades in to stop him, then a guard shows up and shoots the husband?
Don't you think the husband deserves more of an apology than the usual innocent bystander gets?And trust me, I believe persecuted gay guys and shot innocent bystanders both deserve *big* apologies.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28658303</id>
	<title>Re:Unprofessional</title>
	<author>99luftballon</author>
	<datestamp>1247344380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>She was a little bitter, but the main reason was that for 40+ years she wasn't even allowed to tell her family or husband what she had done, which caused some unpleasantness for her among people who assumed she'd slacked off during the war. Then when she could no-one understood the significance of what she had taken part in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>She was a little bitter , but the main reason was that for 40 + years she was n't even allowed to tell her family or husband what she had done , which caused some unpleasantness for her among people who assumed she 'd slacked off during the war .
Then when she could no-one understood the significance of what she had taken part in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>She was a little bitter, but the main reason was that for 40+ years she wasn't even allowed to tell her family or husband what she had done, which caused some unpleasantness for her among people who assumed she'd slacked off during the war.
Then when she could no-one understood the significance of what she had taken part in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28657689</id>
	<title>Let's Start With an Apology</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247246520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let's start with an <a href="http://www.jgc.org/blog/2009/06/alan-turing-deserves-apology-from.html" title="jgc.org">apology to Alan Turing</a> [jgc.org] and a public recognition for the grave injustice dealt to him for being homosexual, despite his enormous service to his country, the allies, philosophy, and, of course, computer science.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's start with an apology to Alan Turing [ jgc.org ] and a public recognition for the grave injustice dealt to him for being homosexual , despite his enormous service to his country , the allies , philosophy , and , of course , computer science .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's start with an apology to Alan Turing [jgc.org] and a public recognition for the grave injustice dealt to him for being homosexual, despite his enormous service to his country, the allies, philosophy, and, of course, computer science.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28658477</id>
	<title>Re:Unprofessional</title>
	<author>choco</author>
	<datestamp>1247304960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My Aunt worked at Bletchley Park. She was a Bombe Operator. In her case - "Bitter" is certainly the wrong word.</p><p>At the time she knew a fair bit about what she, personally, was doing. She didn't understand all the details, but she knew she was cracking messages relating to the Battle of the Atlantic - and that it was damned important. As an intelligent woman she also knew and accepted why the secrecy was important - both at the time and afterwards. She never discussed it at the time with anyone.</p><p>My Grandfather was bright enough to work out that my Aunt had done "something a bit special" in the war - and was very frustrated that he had no idea at all what it was and that she refused to discuss it. He died in 1969. IIRC "The Ultra Secret" was published about 5 years later. That was the moment when the restrictions were relaxed - and she could tell the rest of the family where she had been during the war.</p><p>My Aunt is bitter about what happened to Alan Turing. It was wrong "of itself" and it was also wrong that this country seemed to forget exactly how much was owed Dr Turing. She regards it as a tragedy and a waste. I agree.</p><p>My late Father was one of those who fought in "The Forgotten War" in Burma. One of many horrible parts to WW2. He gained "The Burma Star". Something he wore with great pride and which recorded what he had been a part of. My Aunt will be pleased to finally have something similar.</p><p>I think that it is just to recognise the achievements of those who worked at Bletchley Park in the same way - and that it probably could and should have happened sooner - perhaps during the 1970s.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My Aunt worked at Bletchley Park .
She was a Bombe Operator .
In her case - " Bitter " is certainly the wrong word.At the time she knew a fair bit about what she , personally , was doing .
She did n't understand all the details , but she knew she was cracking messages relating to the Battle of the Atlantic - and that it was damned important .
As an intelligent woman she also knew and accepted why the secrecy was important - both at the time and afterwards .
She never discussed it at the time with anyone.My Grandfather was bright enough to work out that my Aunt had done " something a bit special " in the war - and was very frustrated that he had no idea at all what it was and that she refused to discuss it .
He died in 1969 .
IIRC " The Ultra Secret " was published about 5 years later .
That was the moment when the restrictions were relaxed - and she could tell the rest of the family where she had been during the war.My Aunt is bitter about what happened to Alan Turing .
It was wrong " of itself " and it was also wrong that this country seemed to forget exactly how much was owed Dr Turing .
She regards it as a tragedy and a waste .
I agree.My late Father was one of those who fought in " The Forgotten War " in Burma .
One of many horrible parts to WW2 .
He gained " The Burma Star " .
Something he wore with great pride and which recorded what he had been a part of .
My Aunt will be pleased to finally have something similar.I think that it is just to recognise the achievements of those who worked at Bletchley Park in the same way - and that it probably could and should have happened sooner - perhaps during the 1970s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My Aunt worked at Bletchley Park.
She was a Bombe Operator.
In her case - "Bitter" is certainly the wrong word.At the time she knew a fair bit about what she, personally, was doing.
She didn't understand all the details, but she knew she was cracking messages relating to the Battle of the Atlantic - and that it was damned important.
As an intelligent woman she also knew and accepted why the secrecy was important - both at the time and afterwards.
She never discussed it at the time with anyone.My Grandfather was bright enough to work out that my Aunt had done "something a bit special" in the war - and was very frustrated that he had no idea at all what it was and that she refused to discuss it.
He died in 1969.
IIRC "The Ultra Secret" was published about 5 years later.
That was the moment when the restrictions were relaxed - and she could tell the rest of the family where she had been during the war.My Aunt is bitter about what happened to Alan Turing.
It was wrong "of itself" and it was also wrong that this country seemed to forget exactly how much was owed Dr Turing.
She regards it as a tragedy and a waste.
I agree.My late Father was one of those who fought in "The Forgotten War" in Burma.
One of many horrible parts to WW2.
He gained "The Burma Star".
Something he wore with great pride and which recorded what he had been a part of.
My Aunt will be pleased to finally have something similar.I think that it is just to recognise the achievements of those who worked at Bletchley Park in the same way - and that it probably could and should have happened sooner - perhaps during the 1970s.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28657701</id>
	<title>Unprofessional</title>
	<author>Weedhopper</author>
	<datestamp>1247246820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bitter?  About not receiving public recognition over classified work?</p><p>The contribution of those who worked at Bletchley Park is immeasurable, both literally and figuratively.  Anyone who is even remotely familiar with the history of cryptography or the Second World War knows of Bletchley Park.</p><p>But bitter about not having received official recognition because of the rules that were in place to maintain secrecy?  Yeah, the secrecy was maintained long after it was necessary and had well passed into public knowledge, but BITTER?</p><p>I'm sorry, but no.  There are thousands, if not tens of thousands of individuals whose contributions toward a free society will never be known because of the secrecy in which they had to conduct their duties.  If we include those who died in war and whose bodies or for that matter, identities were never recovered, that number would probably reach into the hundreds of thousands, if not millions.</p><p>And this lady is bitter that she hasn't received recognition from the British government?</p><p>Sorry, but color me a little unsympathetic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bitter ?
About not receiving public recognition over classified work ? The contribution of those who worked at Bletchley Park is immeasurable , both literally and figuratively .
Anyone who is even remotely familiar with the history of cryptography or the Second World War knows of Bletchley Park.But bitter about not having received official recognition because of the rules that were in place to maintain secrecy ?
Yeah , the secrecy was maintained long after it was necessary and had well passed into public knowledge , but BITTER ? I 'm sorry , but no .
There are thousands , if not tens of thousands of individuals whose contributions toward a free society will never be known because of the secrecy in which they had to conduct their duties .
If we include those who died in war and whose bodies or for that matter , identities were never recovered , that number would probably reach into the hundreds of thousands , if not millions.And this lady is bitter that she has n't received recognition from the British government ? Sorry , but color me a little unsympathetic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bitter?
About not receiving public recognition over classified work?The contribution of those who worked at Bletchley Park is immeasurable, both literally and figuratively.
Anyone who is even remotely familiar with the history of cryptography or the Second World War knows of Bletchley Park.But bitter about not having received official recognition because of the rules that were in place to maintain secrecy?
Yeah, the secrecy was maintained long after it was necessary and had well passed into public knowledge, but BITTER?I'm sorry, but no.
There are thousands, if not tens of thousands of individuals whose contributions toward a free society will never be known because of the secrecy in which they had to conduct their duties.
If we include those who died in war and whose bodies or for that matter, identities were never recovered, that number would probably reach into the hundreds of thousands, if not millions.And this lady is bitter that she hasn't received recognition from the British government?Sorry, but color me a little unsympathetic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28665919</id>
	<title>Re:Let's Start With an Apology</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247430900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People are killed and harassed for belonging to groups with certain labels, homosexual happens to be one of them - quit whining and deal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People are killed and harassed for belonging to groups with certain labels , homosexual happens to be one of them - quit whining and deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People are killed and harassed for belonging to groups with certain labels, homosexual happens to be one of them - quit whining and deal.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28658671</id>
	<title>These people won the war</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1247308680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was not your Spitfire pilots or your observer crews. It was them who broke the enigma and thus made sure the crap the US sent over arrived in one piece.</p><p>I think Churchill's speech about how so many have to thank so few fits far better here. So why no recognition for them 'til now.</p><p>Way over due, if you ask me.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was not your Spitfire pilots or your observer crews .
It was them who broke the enigma and thus made sure the crap the US sent over arrived in one piece.I think Churchill 's speech about how so many have to thank so few fits far better here .
So why no recognition for them 'til now.Way over due , if you ask me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was not your Spitfire pilots or your observer crews.
It was them who broke the enigma and thus made sure the crap the US sent over arrived in one piece.I think Churchill's speech about how so many have to thank so few fits far better here.
So why no recognition for them 'til now.Way over due, if you ask me.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28661911</id>
	<title>Re:Let's Start With an Apology</title>
	<author>Lord Kano</author>
	<datestamp>1247340660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In today's world, we recognize that a person's sexuality is their own business. That was not the world of the 1940s. Homosexuality was seen as both a sin and a mental illness. Would we bat an eye if a major government, in a time of war, didn't give proper consideration to someone who had ADD?</p><p>LK</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In today 's world , we recognize that a person 's sexuality is their own business .
That was not the world of the 1940s .
Homosexuality was seen as both a sin and a mental illness .
Would we bat an eye if a major government , in a time of war , did n't give proper consideration to someone who had ADD ? LK</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In today's world, we recognize that a person's sexuality is their own business.
That was not the world of the 1940s.
Homosexuality was seen as both a sin and a mental illness.
Would we bat an eye if a major government, in a time of war, didn't give proper consideration to someone who had ADD?LK</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28659333</id>
	<title>Re:Their value system is out of whack</title>
	<author>jo42</author>
	<datestamp>1247321880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What the British government did<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... is an affront to the very concept of a free society.</p></div><p>You haven't been following what the British government has been doing the last few years in the name of anti-terrorism, have you...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What the British government did ... is an affront to the very concept of a free society.You have n't been following what the British government has been doing the last few years in the name of anti-terrorism , have you.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the British government did ... is an affront to the very concept of a free society.You haven't been following what the British government has been doing the last few years in the name of anti-terrorism, have you...
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28658705</id>
	<title>Re:Polish Cipher Bureau cracked Enigma</title>
	<author>close\_wait</author>
	<datestamp>1247309160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, the Colossus wasn't "based on bomba technology", and was never used to crack Engima.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the Colossus was n't " based on bomba technology " , and was never used to crack Engima .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the Colossus wasn't "based on bomba technology", and was never used to crack Engima.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28659717</id>
	<title>Documenting their experiences</title>
	<author>Midnight Thunder</author>
	<datestamp>1247325240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For those who still survive it would be cool if they could document their time and Bletchley park, and then put under seal until such time the government accepts those experiences to go public. For me, if this is not done we lose an important part of our history and insight into what happened then. I would hope that after 60 years the government would be willing to allow this information to go public.</p><p>Everyone who participates in defending our freedoms deserves recognition, but the sad thing is that when it is not an armed force we are often unaware who did their part. Even if some of these figures seem do be doing very little, the resulting actions can be very important.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For those who still survive it would be cool if they could document their time and Bletchley park , and then put under seal until such time the government accepts those experiences to go public .
For me , if this is not done we lose an important part of our history and insight into what happened then .
I would hope that after 60 years the government would be willing to allow this information to go public.Everyone who participates in defending our freedoms deserves recognition , but the sad thing is that when it is not an armed force we are often unaware who did their part .
Even if some of these figures seem do be doing very little , the resulting actions can be very important .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For those who still survive it would be cool if they could document their time and Bletchley park, and then put under seal until such time the government accepts those experiences to go public.
For me, if this is not done we lose an important part of our history and insight into what happened then.
I would hope that after 60 years the government would be willing to allow this information to go public.Everyone who participates in defending our freedoms deserves recognition, but the sad thing is that when it is not an armed force we are often unaware who did their part.
Even if some of these figures seem do be doing very little, the resulting actions can be very important.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28658741</id>
	<title>Have you been to Bletchley Park?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247309640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you go to Bletchley Park the tour guides (some of whom served there during the war) are very clear about crediting all contributions where due.</p><p>One of the places the tour stops at is the memorial to the Polish code breakers and the tour guides clearly explain the Polish connection. They have an annual Polish day at the Park - celebrated two weeks ago, photos <a href="http://www.bletchleypark.org.uk/news/docview.rhtm/579421" title="bletchleypark.org.uk">here</a> [bletchleypark.org.uk]. Bletchley Park folks recognise the Polish contribution and make their visitors aware of this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you go to Bletchley Park the tour guides ( some of whom served there during the war ) are very clear about crediting all contributions where due.One of the places the tour stops at is the memorial to the Polish code breakers and the tour guides clearly explain the Polish connection .
They have an annual Polish day at the Park - celebrated two weeks ago , photos here [ bletchleypark.org.uk ] .
Bletchley Park folks recognise the Polish contribution and make their visitors aware of this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you go to Bletchley Park the tour guides (some of whom served there during the war) are very clear about crediting all contributions where due.One of the places the tour stops at is the memorial to the Polish code breakers and the tour guides clearly explain the Polish connection.
They have an annual Polish day at the Park - celebrated two weeks ago, photos here [bletchleypark.org.uk].
Bletchley Park folks recognise the Polish contribution and make their visitors aware of this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28666709</id>
	<title>Re:Let's Start With an Apology</title>
	<author>Goth Biker Babe</author>
	<datestamp>1247404440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Welcome to slashdot.  Predominantly the world of the privileged white male and the attitudes that go with that.  Heaven help you if you're a bi-sexual woman.  But then I probably shouldn't be worrying my pretty little head over such things...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to slashdot .
Predominantly the world of the privileged white male and the attitudes that go with that .
Heaven help you if you 're a bi-sexual woman .
But then I probably should n't be worrying my pretty little head over such things.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to slashdot.
Predominantly the world of the privileged white male and the attitudes that go with that.
Heaven help you if you're a bi-sexual woman.
But then I probably shouldn't be worrying my pretty little head over such things...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28665799</id>
	<title>Re:Some reasons why Enigma failed</title>
	<author>ibsteve2u</author>
	<datestamp>1247341680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Subtract your "in hindsight" knowledge and crack Enigma..or japan's blue code.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Subtract your " in hindsight " knowledge and crack Enigma..or japan 's blue code .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Subtract your "in hindsight" knowledge and crack Enigma..or japan's blue code.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28657695</id>
	<title>Re:Their value system is out of whack</title>
	<author>GreenTech11</author>
	<datestamp>1247246760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>

<p>I'm sure they enjoyed what they did, but if you have given most of your life to a cause, then you'll want some form of recognition for it. These people received no such public recognition, while many people in similar fields have, so it is understandable that they are upset by the lack of recognition.</p><p>.</p><p>As for the British Government hiding this work, they likely believed that by revealing it at the time they were endangering the staff of the facillity, as well as the country as a whole.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure they enjoyed what they did , but if you have given most of your life to a cause , then you 'll want some form of recognition for it .
These people received no such public recognition , while many people in similar fields have , so it is understandable that they are upset by the lack of recognition..As for the British Government hiding this work , they likely believed that by revealing it at the time they were endangering the staff of the facillity , as well as the country as a whole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

I'm sure they enjoyed what they did, but if you have given most of your life to a cause, then you'll want some form of recognition for it.
These people received no such public recognition, while many people in similar fields have, so it is understandable that they are upset by the lack of recognition..As for the British Government hiding this work, they likely believed that by revealing it at the time they were endangering the staff of the facillity, as well as the country as a whole.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28659369</id>
	<title>Re:Only for the living?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247322360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because then they would have to give an award to a queer, which is simply unthinkable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because then they would have to give an award to a queer , which is simply unthinkable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because then they would have to give an award to a queer, which is simply unthinkable.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28660795</id>
	<title>Re:Unprofessional</title>
	<author>zildgulf</author>
	<datestamp>1247332500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can understand disappointed, especially when this could have been disclosed much earlier than today (like May 1995, 50 years after VE day, or August 1995, 50 years after VJ day).<br> <br>
But being "bitter"???  She knew her contribution would probably be kept "secret" long after she worked on that project.  She must've known that, given the British government's history, her contributions might have been kept during her lifetime.<br> <br>
Also, those in the know would have learned of her contributions and those of her colleagues years ago when cryptography became vital to e-commerce.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I can understand disappointed , especially when this could have been disclosed much earlier than today ( like May 1995 , 50 years after VE day , or August 1995 , 50 years after VJ day ) .
But being " bitter " ? ? ?
She knew her contribution would probably be kept " secret " long after she worked on that project .
She must 've known that , given the British government 's history , her contributions might have been kept during her lifetime .
Also , those in the know would have learned of her contributions and those of her colleagues years ago when cryptography became vital to e-commerce .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can understand disappointed, especially when this could have been disclosed much earlier than today (like May 1995, 50 years after VE day, or August 1995, 50 years after VJ day).
But being "bitter"???
She knew her contribution would probably be kept "secret" long after she worked on that project.
She must've known that, given the British government's history, her contributions might have been kept during her lifetime.
Also, those in the know would have learned of her contributions and those of her colleagues years ago when cryptography became vital to e-commerce.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28657661</id>
	<title>2792</title>
	<author>TopSpin</author>
	<datestamp>1247245980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>amazon + Bletchley = 2791</p><p>It registers fine.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; isc 0x009811009211521 AK</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>amazon + Bletchley = 2791It registers fine .
    isc 0x009811009211521 AK</tokentext>
<sentencetext>amazon + Bletchley = 2791It registers fine.
    isc 0x009811009211521 AK</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28657651</id>
	<title>Their value system is out of whack</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247245920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What the British government did, by covering up and hiding the work these people did, is an affront to the very concept of a free society.</p><p>But what's wrong with the people involved that they can't do it for anything more than love of their country? Barring that, why aren't they satisfied with the money they received for it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What the British government did , by covering up and hiding the work these people did , is an affront to the very concept of a free society.But what 's wrong with the people involved that they ca n't do it for anything more than love of their country ?
Barring that , why are n't they satisfied with the money they received for it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the British government did, by covering up and hiding the work these people did, is an affront to the very concept of a free society.But what's wrong with the people involved that they can't do it for anything more than love of their country?
Barring that, why aren't they satisfied with the money they received for it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28664511</id>
	<title>Re:Their value system is out of whack</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1247318760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"What the British government did, by covering up and hiding the work these people did, is an affront to the very concept of a free society."</p><p>I assume you mean after the war? Else if the government had strived for a free society during the war hence letting the Germans know we'd cracked enigma and that we were going to carry out D-Day then we'd all be speaking German.</p><p>"But what's wrong with the people involved that they can't do it for anything more than love of their country?"</p><p>The idea of doing something for the love of your country is a bit pointless, most people particularly of the enlightened view of the folks at Bletchley probably wouldn't have such time for that argument. You can't really help where you're born, and whilst it might shape who you are to an extent, it doesn't necessarily shape your world view. You could not say that everyone brought up in Nazi Germany at the time for example supported the Nazi viewpoint that all Jews should be exterminated. Personally, I don't support many modern British values such as the prominent xenophobia that is rife in British society nowadays. I was born here, I'm British, but my viewpoint is much more closely aligned to much more liberal countries like Sweden and Canada so in all honesty I'm not a big fan of my country or what it's become even if I'm proud of certain elements of it's history - but only because those elements represent the things I agree with but that modern society in this country go against. So whilst these people may have been happy to do what they did for the cause their country is fighting for, they may not have seen the value in doing it purely for their country, because countries can be wrong, can do things wrong, and can ultimately be quite fallible. Even at the time of the War there were many parts of British imperialism that were quite shameful even if the cause Britain was fighting for militarily at the time was just.</p><p>"Barring that, why aren't they satisfied with the money they received for it?"</p><p>The problem is, that whilst they were no doubt happy at the time, it is somewhat of a kick in the teeth that society has forgotten what a certain segment of who are frankly war heroes have done. Particularly if other heroes are being honoured and they're simply being ignored. It seems silly to honour the guy at Normandy who saved his single friend from a German soldiers knife whilst ignoring the codebreaker back at Bletchley who saved a thousand people on a boat by breaking the code to find out where the U-Boats were hidden. Both are ultimately heroes, but it's a kick in the teeth to the other guy if you honour one and not the other. It doesn't do much for pulling in talent to codebreak in a future war effort if codebreakers are effectively shat on despite the fact they ultimately have a larger effect on the war effort as individuals than the troops on the ground do.</p><p>I'm not discrediting the value of the soldiers on the ground, personally I'm for honouring every man, woman and even animal who contributes to such a cause, but we shouldn't allow heroes to be forgotten. In fact, whilst I love animals it strikes me as a little odd that up until now we had honoured courier pidgeons used to send messages covertly and dogs that had been parachuted into enemy territory along with the SAS to evade patrols yet we had not honoured the codebreakers at Bletchley.</p><p>Effectively then, if you honour one set of actors in a war, but not others it sends the wrong message. It sends the message that their work wasn't appreciated and that they do not matter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" What the British government did , by covering up and hiding the work these people did , is an affront to the very concept of a free society .
" I assume you mean after the war ?
Else if the government had strived for a free society during the war hence letting the Germans know we 'd cracked enigma and that we were going to carry out D-Day then we 'd all be speaking German .
" But what 's wrong with the people involved that they ca n't do it for anything more than love of their country ?
" The idea of doing something for the love of your country is a bit pointless , most people particularly of the enlightened view of the folks at Bletchley probably would n't have such time for that argument .
You ca n't really help where you 're born , and whilst it might shape who you are to an extent , it does n't necessarily shape your world view .
You could not say that everyone brought up in Nazi Germany at the time for example supported the Nazi viewpoint that all Jews should be exterminated .
Personally , I do n't support many modern British values such as the prominent xenophobia that is rife in British society nowadays .
I was born here , I 'm British , but my viewpoint is much more closely aligned to much more liberal countries like Sweden and Canada so in all honesty I 'm not a big fan of my country or what it 's become even if I 'm proud of certain elements of it 's history - but only because those elements represent the things I agree with but that modern society in this country go against .
So whilst these people may have been happy to do what they did for the cause their country is fighting for , they may not have seen the value in doing it purely for their country , because countries can be wrong , can do things wrong , and can ultimately be quite fallible .
Even at the time of the War there were many parts of British imperialism that were quite shameful even if the cause Britain was fighting for militarily at the time was just .
" Barring that , why are n't they satisfied with the money they received for it ?
" The problem is , that whilst they were no doubt happy at the time , it is somewhat of a kick in the teeth that society has forgotten what a certain segment of who are frankly war heroes have done .
Particularly if other heroes are being honoured and they 're simply being ignored .
It seems silly to honour the guy at Normandy who saved his single friend from a German soldiers knife whilst ignoring the codebreaker back at Bletchley who saved a thousand people on a boat by breaking the code to find out where the U-Boats were hidden .
Both are ultimately heroes , but it 's a kick in the teeth to the other guy if you honour one and not the other .
It does n't do much for pulling in talent to codebreak in a future war effort if codebreakers are effectively shat on despite the fact they ultimately have a larger effect on the war effort as individuals than the troops on the ground do.I 'm not discrediting the value of the soldiers on the ground , personally I 'm for honouring every man , woman and even animal who contributes to such a cause , but we should n't allow heroes to be forgotten .
In fact , whilst I love animals it strikes me as a little odd that up until now we had honoured courier pidgeons used to send messages covertly and dogs that had been parachuted into enemy territory along with the SAS to evade patrols yet we had not honoured the codebreakers at Bletchley.Effectively then , if you honour one set of actors in a war , but not others it sends the wrong message .
It sends the message that their work was n't appreciated and that they do not matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"What the British government did, by covering up and hiding the work these people did, is an affront to the very concept of a free society.
"I assume you mean after the war?
Else if the government had strived for a free society during the war hence letting the Germans know we'd cracked enigma and that we were going to carry out D-Day then we'd all be speaking German.
"But what's wrong with the people involved that they can't do it for anything more than love of their country?
"The idea of doing something for the love of your country is a bit pointless, most people particularly of the enlightened view of the folks at Bletchley probably wouldn't have such time for that argument.
You can't really help where you're born, and whilst it might shape who you are to an extent, it doesn't necessarily shape your world view.
You could not say that everyone brought up in Nazi Germany at the time for example supported the Nazi viewpoint that all Jews should be exterminated.
Personally, I don't support many modern British values such as the prominent xenophobia that is rife in British society nowadays.
I was born here, I'm British, but my viewpoint is much more closely aligned to much more liberal countries like Sweden and Canada so in all honesty I'm not a big fan of my country or what it's become even if I'm proud of certain elements of it's history - but only because those elements represent the things I agree with but that modern society in this country go against.
So whilst these people may have been happy to do what they did for the cause their country is fighting for, they may not have seen the value in doing it purely for their country, because countries can be wrong, can do things wrong, and can ultimately be quite fallible.
Even at the time of the War there were many parts of British imperialism that were quite shameful even if the cause Britain was fighting for militarily at the time was just.
"Barring that, why aren't they satisfied with the money they received for it?
"The problem is, that whilst they were no doubt happy at the time, it is somewhat of a kick in the teeth that society has forgotten what a certain segment of who are frankly war heroes have done.
Particularly if other heroes are being honoured and they're simply being ignored.
It seems silly to honour the guy at Normandy who saved his single friend from a German soldiers knife whilst ignoring the codebreaker back at Bletchley who saved a thousand people on a boat by breaking the code to find out where the U-Boats were hidden.
Both are ultimately heroes, but it's a kick in the teeth to the other guy if you honour one and not the other.
It doesn't do much for pulling in talent to codebreak in a future war effort if codebreakers are effectively shat on despite the fact they ultimately have a larger effect on the war effort as individuals than the troops on the ground do.I'm not discrediting the value of the soldiers on the ground, personally I'm for honouring every man, woman and even animal who contributes to such a cause, but we shouldn't allow heroes to be forgotten.
In fact, whilst I love animals it strikes me as a little odd that up until now we had honoured courier pidgeons used to send messages covertly and dogs that had been parachuted into enemy territory along with the SAS to evade patrols yet we had not honoured the codebreakers at Bletchley.Effectively then, if you honour one set of actors in a war, but not others it sends the wrong message.
It sends the message that their work wasn't appreciated and that they do not matter.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:These people won the war</title>
	<author>nemsis21</author>
	<datestamp>1247310060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I waited all day trying to forget this comment but I can't.
Sorry to be so blunt but this is an incredibly stupid statement.
What earthly good is knowing your enemies plans if you can do nothing about them?
In terms of the "Battle of Britain" it was only the RAF ( your Spitfire pilots and observer crews ) with a great deal of support from radar and the British command and control systems (Fighter Command) which prevented an invasion. Bletchly added very little to this particular battle and this particular battle was, arguably, the turning point in the war.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I waited all day trying to forget this comment but I ca n't .
Sorry to be so blunt but this is an incredibly stupid statement .
What earthly good is knowing your enemies plans if you can do nothing about them ?
In terms of the " Battle of Britain " it was only the RAF ( your Spitfire pilots and observer crews ) with a great deal of support from radar and the British command and control systems ( Fighter Command ) which prevented an invasion .
Bletchly added very little to this particular battle and this particular battle was , arguably , the turning point in the war .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I waited all day trying to forget this comment but I can't.
Sorry to be so blunt but this is an incredibly stupid statement.
What earthly good is knowing your enemies plans if you can do nothing about them?
In terms of the "Battle of Britain" it was only the RAF ( your Spitfire pilots and observer crews ) with a great deal of support from radar and the British command and control systems (Fighter Command) which prevented an invasion.
Bletchly added very little to this particular battle and this particular battle was, arguably, the turning point in the war.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28657753</id>
	<title>Hate to say it but somebody has to</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247247600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The British government treats its people like shit. All their pols care about is their perks. Sort of like our pols.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The British government treats its people like shit .
All their pols care about is their perks .
Sort of like our pols .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The British government treats its people like shit.
All their pols care about is their perks.
Sort of like our pols.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28658277</id>
	<title>Re:Their value system is out of whack</title>
	<author>99luftballon</author>
	<datestamp>1247344020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Almost all of the staff were draftees, doing their military service at the camp. I never heard anyone complain about the money - it was what people did in war time. Indeed Tommy Flowers spent more than the &#194;&pound;1,000 he received to build Colossus. But with the war won they couldn't talk about what they had done until the 1980s and their extraordinary contribution has never been officially recognised.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Almost all of the staff were draftees , doing their military service at the camp .
I never heard anyone complain about the money - it was what people did in war time .
Indeed Tommy Flowers spent more than the     1,000 he received to build Colossus .
But with the war won they could n't talk about what they had done until the 1980s and their extraordinary contribution has never been officially recognised .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Almost all of the staff were draftees, doing their military service at the camp.
I never heard anyone complain about the money - it was what people did in war time.
Indeed Tommy Flowers spent more than the Â£1,000 he received to build Colossus.
But with the war won they couldn't talk about what they had done until the 1980s and their extraordinary contribution has never been officially recognised.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28658613</id>
	<title>Re:Let's Start With an Apology</title>
	<author>V!NCENT</author>
	<datestamp>1247307540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To everybody in this thread: can we please stop putting people in boxes and categorise them? Everybody is an individual and what does it matter if someone like the color blue, red, green, boy or girls? Stop calling someone straight and gay. You're a person who just happens to be attracted to people of your own gender, the oppositye gender, both or neither. It is the year 2009 and by now one would expect people to be a little bit wiser, especialy on places like<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/..</htmltext>
<tokenext>To everybody in this thread : can we please stop putting people in boxes and categorise them ?
Everybody is an individual and what does it matter if someone like the color blue , red , green , boy or girls ?
Stop calling someone straight and gay .
You 're a person who just happens to be attracted to people of your own gender , the oppositye gender , both or neither .
It is the year 2009 and by now one would expect people to be a little bit wiser , especialy on places like /. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To everybody in this thread: can we please stop putting people in boxes and categorise them?
Everybody is an individual and what does it matter if someone like the color blue, red, green, boy or girls?
Stop calling someone straight and gay.
You're a person who just happens to be attracted to people of your own gender, the oppositye gender, both or neither.
It is the year 2009 and by now one would expect people to be a little bit wiser, especialy on places like /..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28659507</id>
	<title>Re:Let's Start With an Apology</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247323500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Let's start with an <a href="http://www.jgc.org/blog/2009/06/alan-turing-deserves-apology-from.html" title="jgc.org" rel="nofollow">apology to Alan Turing</a> [jgc.org] and a public recognition for the grave injustice dealt to him for being homosexual<b>.(PERIOD)</b></p> </div><p>There,  fixed that for you. Whether or not he did his country and the world an enormous service - which he undeniably did - does not enter into it. The injustice he suffered was wrong, regardless of his merits. And the same goes for any less known individual who suffered similar injustice.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's start with an apology to Alan Turing [ jgc.org ] and a public recognition for the grave injustice dealt to him for being homosexual .
( PERIOD ) There , fixed that for you .
Whether or not he did his country and the world an enormous service - which he undeniably did - does not enter into it .
The injustice he suffered was wrong , regardless of his merits .
And the same goes for any less known individual who suffered similar injustice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's start with an apology to Alan Turing [jgc.org] and a public recognition for the grave injustice dealt to him for being homosexual.
(PERIOD) There,  fixed that for you.
Whether or not he did his country and the world an enormous service - which he undeniably did - does not enter into it.
The injustice he suffered was wrong, regardless of his merits.
And the same goes for any less known individual who suffered similar injustice.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28657847</id>
	<title>Re:Unprofessional</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247249760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The secrecy was maintained after the war for so long for one reason and one reason only. Namely that the USA and UK were using the same techniques to read the secret messages of a number of countries and if it became known that the USA and UK had this technology, these countries would replace their codes with something a LOT more secure.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The secrecy was maintained after the war for so long for one reason and one reason only .
Namely that the USA and UK were using the same techniques to read the secret messages of a number of countries and if it became known that the USA and UK had this technology , these countries would replace their codes with something a LOT more secure .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The secrecy was maintained after the war for so long for one reason and one reason only.
Namely that the USA and UK were using the same techniques to read the secret messages of a number of countries and if it became known that the USA and UK had this technology, these countries would replace their codes with something a LOT more secure.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28657701</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28680191</id>
	<title>Re:Unprofessional</title>
	<author>bhiestand</author>
	<datestamp>1247512740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Even when I figured out what he and other of his IBM colleagues had done, he simply changed the subject. And, that was over 22 years after the fact. Classified is classified and there is no shelf date.</p></div><p>I have to respect that and understand.  It seems too few people know what it means to keep your word and keep a secret.  I do have to make a technical nitpick, though:  Classified does have a shelf date.  IIRC, it's a 75 year commitment from the time your security clearance goes inactive or whatever else it's called.  It's actually a signed legal contract with the government.</p><p>Additionally, there's a schedule for the declassification of information.  More time sensitive stuff is declassified rather quickly, and other stuff remains classified for quite a long time.  But I've only heard of a few instances of documents older than 75 years remaining classified.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even when I figured out what he and other of his IBM colleagues had done , he simply changed the subject .
And , that was over 22 years after the fact .
Classified is classified and there is no shelf date.I have to respect that and understand .
It seems too few people know what it means to keep your word and keep a secret .
I do have to make a technical nitpick , though : Classified does have a shelf date .
IIRC , it 's a 75 year commitment from the time your security clearance goes inactive or whatever else it 's called .
It 's actually a signed legal contract with the government.Additionally , there 's a schedule for the declassification of information .
More time sensitive stuff is declassified rather quickly , and other stuff remains classified for quite a long time .
But I 've only heard of a few instances of documents older than 75 years remaining classified .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even when I figured out what he and other of his IBM colleagues had done, he simply changed the subject.
And, that was over 22 years after the fact.
Classified is classified and there is no shelf date.I have to respect that and understand.
It seems too few people know what it means to keep your word and keep a secret.
I do have to make a technical nitpick, though:  Classified does have a shelf date.
IIRC, it's a 75 year commitment from the time your security clearance goes inactive or whatever else it's called.
It's actually a signed legal contract with the government.Additionally, there's a schedule for the declassification of information.
More time sensitive stuff is declassified rather quickly, and other stuff remains classified for quite a long time.
But I've only heard of a few instances of documents older than 75 years remaining classified.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28657873</id>
	<title>Re:Polish Cipher Bureau cracked Enigma</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247250240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Kind of a nasty spin you put on this story. The British don't deny Polish involvement, and TFA didn't mention the Polish because that's exactly not what this story is about. Also, using a little logic, if the British don't honor their own over concerns over secrecy, they sure won't honor Poles for similar effort. In any case, I'd leave it to the Polish government to honor their cryptologists, if they haven't done so already.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Kind of a nasty spin you put on this story .
The British do n't deny Polish involvement , and TFA did n't mention the Polish because that 's exactly not what this story is about .
Also , using a little logic , if the British do n't honor their own over concerns over secrecy , they sure wo n't honor Poles for similar effort .
In any case , I 'd leave it to the Polish government to honor their cryptologists , if they have n't done so already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kind of a nasty spin you put on this story.
The British don't deny Polish involvement, and TFA didn't mention the Polish because that's exactly not what this story is about.
Also, using a little logic, if the British don't honor their own over concerns over secrecy, they sure won't honor Poles for similar effort.
In any case, I'd leave it to the Polish government to honor their cryptologists, if they haven't done so already.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28658415</id>
	<title>Re:Let's Start With an Apology</title>
	<author>bogjobber</author>
	<datestamp>1247303640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p><i>If you want to say he should be apologized to more than any other persecuted gay person because he was somehow more useful to the government than the others, that also doesn't make any sense.</i></p></div>  </blockquote><p>It does, though.  I don't think anyone would suggest that the UK government apologize to Turing and Turing alone, but singling him out as a symbol of the terrible things done to homosexuals at the time isn't unfair.  His torture and eventual suicide have become symbolic for what hideously repressive things were done to homosexuals back then, at least to the small percentage of people who know and care of such things.</p><p>Remember, society is all about symbolism and people care about symbolic gestures very much.  Alan Turing wouldn't be the first person to be made into a symbol of repression. Rosa Parks wasn't the first black woman told to move to the front of the bus, but it wasn't unfair to single her out and give her a state funeral.  Nelson Mandela wasn't the only black leader imprisoned in South Africa, but he was the symbol of apartheid and elected to be president in 1994.  Muhammad Ali wasn't the only draft dodger to be stripped of his livelihood and publicly ridiculed, but his was the case that went to the US Supreme Court.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want to say he should be apologized to more than any other persecuted gay person because he was somehow more useful to the government than the others , that also does n't make any sense .
It does , though .
I do n't think anyone would suggest that the UK government apologize to Turing and Turing alone , but singling him out as a symbol of the terrible things done to homosexuals at the time is n't unfair .
His torture and eventual suicide have become symbolic for what hideously repressive things were done to homosexuals back then , at least to the small percentage of people who know and care of such things.Remember , society is all about symbolism and people care about symbolic gestures very much .
Alan Turing would n't be the first person to be made into a symbol of repression .
Rosa Parks was n't the first black woman told to move to the front of the bus , but it was n't unfair to single her out and give her a state funeral .
Nelson Mandela was n't the only black leader imprisoned in South Africa , but he was the symbol of apartheid and elected to be president in 1994 .
Muhammad Ali was n't the only draft dodger to be stripped of his livelihood and publicly ridiculed , but his was the case that went to the US Supreme Court .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want to say he should be apologized to more than any other persecuted gay person because he was somehow more useful to the government than the others, that also doesn't make any sense.
It does, though.
I don't think anyone would suggest that the UK government apologize to Turing and Turing alone, but singling him out as a symbol of the terrible things done to homosexuals at the time isn't unfair.
His torture and eventual suicide have become symbolic for what hideously repressive things were done to homosexuals back then, at least to the small percentage of people who know and care of such things.Remember, society is all about symbolism and people care about symbolic gestures very much.
Alan Turing wouldn't be the first person to be made into a symbol of repression.
Rosa Parks wasn't the first black woman told to move to the front of the bus, but it wasn't unfair to single her out and give her a state funeral.
Nelson Mandela wasn't the only black leader imprisoned in South Africa, but he was the symbol of apartheid and elected to be president in 1994.
Muhammad Ali wasn't the only draft dodger to be stripped of his livelihood and publicly ridiculed, but his was the case that went to the US Supreme Court.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28661319</id>
	<title>Some reasons why Enigma failed</title>
	<author>crispi</author>
	<datestamp>1247335740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For a good read, I can recommend "The Hut Six Story : Breaking the Enigma Codes by Gordon Welchman".</p><p>Some of the reasons why Enigma Failed:</p><p>1) Choosing "sillies" for encryption keys (eg QWE, QAZ (or whatever the equivalent is on the German AZERTY keyboard).<br>2) Re-using keys<br>3) Using Cribs (eg putting some of the preamble of the message into the encrypted part)<br>4) Sending the same message day after day (eg "Nothing to Report"). This would compromise the key for all stations using that key:<br>5) Using the same key for lots of destination stations<br>6) Fundamental design limitation (A Letter will never encrypt to itself).<br>7) Enigma operator laziness (eg using the same order of wheels as the previous day). (There are 5*4*3 = 60 combinations possible).<br>8) More laziness - using the default Ring setting on each ring.<br>9) "Indicator setting" repeated - in 1 in 8 cases this would lead to a repeated encrypted key - which would give the cryptanalyst an idea of which wheels could have been used. (Fundamentally this is a kind of key distribution problem - how to get the session key established).<br>10) Basing a military encryption system on a commercial product.</p><p>Sixty years on, we're still making some of the same mistakes!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For a good read , I can recommend " The Hut Six Story : Breaking the Enigma Codes by Gordon Welchman " .Some of the reasons why Enigma Failed : 1 ) Choosing " sillies " for encryption keys ( eg QWE , QAZ ( or whatever the equivalent is on the German AZERTY keyboard ) .2 ) Re-using keys3 ) Using Cribs ( eg putting some of the preamble of the message into the encrypted part ) 4 ) Sending the same message day after day ( eg " Nothing to Report " ) .
This would compromise the key for all stations using that key : 5 ) Using the same key for lots of destination stations6 ) Fundamental design limitation ( A Letter will never encrypt to itself ) .7 ) Enigma operator laziness ( eg using the same order of wheels as the previous day ) .
( There are 5 * 4 * 3 = 60 combinations possible ) .8 ) More laziness - using the default Ring setting on each ring.9 ) " Indicator setting " repeated - in 1 in 8 cases this would lead to a repeated encrypted key - which would give the cryptanalyst an idea of which wheels could have been used .
( Fundamentally this is a kind of key distribution problem - how to get the session key established ) .10 ) Basing a military encryption system on a commercial product.Sixty years on , we 're still making some of the same mistakes !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a good read, I can recommend "The Hut Six Story : Breaking the Enigma Codes by Gordon Welchman".Some of the reasons why Enigma Failed:1) Choosing "sillies" for encryption keys (eg QWE, QAZ (or whatever the equivalent is on the German AZERTY keyboard).2) Re-using keys3) Using Cribs (eg putting some of the preamble of the message into the encrypted part)4) Sending the same message day after day (eg "Nothing to Report").
This would compromise the key for all stations using that key:5) Using the same key for lots of destination stations6) Fundamental design limitation (A Letter will never encrypt to itself).7) Enigma operator laziness (eg using the same order of wheels as the previous day).
(There are 5*4*3 = 60 combinations possible).8) More laziness - using the default Ring setting on each ring.9) "Indicator setting" repeated - in 1 in 8 cases this would lead to a repeated encrypted key - which would give the cryptanalyst an idea of which wheels could have been used.
(Fundamentally this is a kind of key distribution problem - how to get the session key established).10) Basing a military encryption system on a commercial product.Sixty years on, we're still making some of the same mistakes!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28657705</id>
	<title>it's the price you pay</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247246880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess I can understand being bitter about not being recognized for your work but like, it's a clandestine operation. What do you expect? You knew the job was dangerous (thankless) when you took it<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Fred.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess I can understand being bitter about not being recognized for your work but like , it 's a clandestine operation .
What do you expect ?
You knew the job was dangerous ( thankless ) when you took it ... Fred .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess I can understand being bitter about not being recognized for your work but like, it's a clandestine operation.
What do you expect?
You knew the job was dangerous (thankless) when you took it ... Fred.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28657645</id>
	<title>Only for the living?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247245800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why not a posthumous award for those that aren't among us fleshbags?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why not a posthumous award for those that are n't among us fleshbags ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why not a posthumous award for those that aren't among us fleshbags?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28658825</id>
	<title>Re:Polish Cipher Bureau cracked Enigma</title>
	<author>Yazeran</author>
	<datestamp>1247311680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually the Colossus was not used on the Enigma cipher, but instead on the Lorenz-cipher (somewhat similar to Enigma, but more complex) which was used by the german high command and the Nazi-top  exclusively.</p><p>The British build copies of the polish bombes, and after the Germans changed the day-key scheme, Turing designed a new version of the bombes which was capable to deal with that (once a proper 'crib' was found, often based on German wether reports which tended to be more stereotypical)</p><p>Yours Yazeran</p><p>Plan: to go to Mars one day with a hammer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually the Colossus was not used on the Enigma cipher , but instead on the Lorenz-cipher ( somewhat similar to Enigma , but more complex ) which was used by the german high command and the Nazi-top exclusively.The British build copies of the polish bombes , and after the Germans changed the day-key scheme , Turing designed a new version of the bombes which was capable to deal with that ( once a proper 'crib ' was found , often based on German wether reports which tended to be more stereotypical ) Yours YazeranPlan : to go to Mars one day with a hammer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually the Colossus was not used on the Enigma cipher, but instead on the Lorenz-cipher (somewhat similar to Enigma, but more complex) which was used by the german high command and the Nazi-top  exclusively.The British build copies of the polish bombes, and after the Germans changed the day-key scheme, Turing designed a new version of the bombes which was capable to deal with that (once a proper 'crib' was found, often based on German wether reports which tended to be more stereotypical)Yours YazeranPlan: to go to Mars one day with a hammer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28661471</id>
	<title>Re:Let's Start With an Apology</title>
	<author>sneakyimp</author>
	<datestamp>1247337000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>An apology is most definitely in order.  Estrogen shots?  COME ON.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>An apology is most definitely in order .
Estrogen shots ?
COME ON .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>An apology is most definitely in order.
Estrogen shots?
COME ON.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28657821</id>
	<title>Polish Cipher Bureau cracked Enigma</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247249280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get your facts straight. At a Warsaw conference on 25 July 1939 the Polish Cipher Bureau initiated the French and British into its Enigma-breaking techniques and technology, and provided complete "bomba" cracking machines. The bomba, or bomba kryptologiczna (Polish for "bomb" or "cryptologic bomb") was a special-purpose machine designed about October 1938 by Polish Cipher Bureau cryptologist Marian Rejewski to break German Enigma-machine ciphers. Colossus used to crack Enigma at Bletchley Park was based on Bomba technology. Harry Hinsley suggested in British Intelligence that the Poles decided to share their Enigma-breaking techniques and equipment with the French and British in July 1939 because they had encountered insuperable technical difficulties. Rejewski refuted this: "No, it was not [cryptologic] difficulties [...] that prompted us to work with the British and French, but only the deteriorating political situation. If we had had no difficulties at all we would still, or even the more so, have shared our achievements with our allies as our contribution to the struggle against Germany.". It's a shame to see Bletchley Park giving almost no credit to Polish Cipher Bureau, and claiming all the credit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get your facts straight .
At a Warsaw conference on 25 July 1939 the Polish Cipher Bureau initiated the French and British into its Enigma-breaking techniques and technology , and provided complete " bomba " cracking machines .
The bomba , or bomba kryptologiczna ( Polish for " bomb " or " cryptologic bomb " ) was a special-purpose machine designed about October 1938 by Polish Cipher Bureau cryptologist Marian Rejewski to break German Enigma-machine ciphers .
Colossus used to crack Enigma at Bletchley Park was based on Bomba technology .
Harry Hinsley suggested in British Intelligence that the Poles decided to share their Enigma-breaking techniques and equipment with the French and British in July 1939 because they had encountered insuperable technical difficulties .
Rejewski refuted this : " No , it was not [ cryptologic ] difficulties [ ... ] that prompted us to work with the British and French , but only the deteriorating political situation .
If we had had no difficulties at all we would still , or even the more so , have shared our achievements with our allies as our contribution to the struggle against Germany. " .
It 's a shame to see Bletchley Park giving almost no credit to Polish Cipher Bureau , and claiming all the credit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get your facts straight.
At a Warsaw conference on 25 July 1939 the Polish Cipher Bureau initiated the French and British into its Enigma-breaking techniques and technology, and provided complete "bomba" cracking machines.
The bomba, or bomba kryptologiczna (Polish for "bomb" or "cryptologic bomb") was a special-purpose machine designed about October 1938 by Polish Cipher Bureau cryptologist Marian Rejewski to break German Enigma-machine ciphers.
Colossus used to crack Enigma at Bletchley Park was based on Bomba technology.
Harry Hinsley suggested in British Intelligence that the Poles decided to share their Enigma-breaking techniques and equipment with the French and British in July 1939 because they had encountered insuperable technical difficulties.
Rejewski refuted this: "No, it was not [cryptologic] difficulties [...] that prompted us to work with the British and French, but only the deteriorating political situation.
If we had had no difficulties at all we would still, or even the more so, have shared our achievements with our allies as our contribution to the struggle against Germany.".
It's a shame to see Bletchley Park giving almost no credit to Polish Cipher Bureau, and claiming all the credit.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28659645</id>
	<title>Re:Unprofessional</title>
	<author>Faluzeer</author>
	<datestamp>1247324640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"snip...And this lady is bitter that she hasn't received recognition from the British government?..."</p><p>This is the United Kingdom, this is the place where we recognise / honour people in the honours lists every year for seemingly no more reason than that they...<br>1. had the right parents.<br>2. went to the right schools and universities.<br>3. worked in the civil service.<br>4. donated money to a political party.<br>5. are / were a celebrity.</p><p>The Bletchley Park staff were far more deserving of honours and recognition than a lot of the people that have been honoured through the lists and yet they were ignored.  The various governments since the war could have quietly honoured / recognised those people for "Services to the Nation" without going into any details of what they did, but for whatever reason, they didn't.  So yes<nobr> <wbr></nobr>,I can understand why some of the staff might be bitter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" snip...And this lady is bitter that she has n't received recognition from the British government ? .. .
" This is the United Kingdom , this is the place where we recognise / honour people in the honours lists every year for seemingly no more reason than that they...1. had the right parents.2 .
went to the right schools and universities.3 .
worked in the civil service.4 .
donated money to a political party.5 .
are / were a celebrity.The Bletchley Park staff were far more deserving of honours and recognition than a lot of the people that have been honoured through the lists and yet they were ignored .
The various governments since the war could have quietly honoured / recognised those people for " Services to the Nation " without going into any details of what they did , but for whatever reason , they did n't .
So yes ,I can understand why some of the staff might be bitter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"snip...And this lady is bitter that she hasn't received recognition from the British government?...
"This is the United Kingdom, this is the place where we recognise / honour people in the honours lists every year for seemingly no more reason than that they...1. had the right parents.2.
went to the right schools and universities.3.
worked in the civil service.4.
donated money to a political party.5.
are / were a celebrity.The Bletchley Park staff were far more deserving of honours and recognition than a lot of the people that have been honoured through the lists and yet they were ignored.
The various governments since the war could have quietly honoured / recognised those people for "Services to the Nation" without going into any details of what they did, but for whatever reason, they didn't.
So yes ,I can understand why some of the staff might be bitter.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28666723</id>
	<title>Re:Their value system is out of whack</title>
	<author>Goth Biker Babe</author>
	<datestamp>1247404680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The issue is this.  During the war if you were seen to be 'avoiding' the front lines or fighting for your country you had a very very rough time of it.  War was hell for those who apparently were not doing their duty for the country.  This is from everyone.  You were a pariah in your communities.  You were picked on by the local authorities (police, etc).</p><p>So imagine how you felt if you knew you were working hard for Britain in the war but you couldn't tell anyone.  Not only are you not being recognised you're getting all the shit from the rest of your society over it too.  It was not nice for them.  I know I'd bloody be bitter.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The issue is this .
During the war if you were seen to be 'avoiding ' the front lines or fighting for your country you had a very very rough time of it .
War was hell for those who apparently were not doing their duty for the country .
This is from everyone .
You were a pariah in your communities .
You were picked on by the local authorities ( police , etc ) .So imagine how you felt if you knew you were working hard for Britain in the war but you could n't tell anyone .
Not only are you not being recognised you 're getting all the shit from the rest of your society over it too .
It was not nice for them .
I know I 'd bloody be bitter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The issue is this.
During the war if you were seen to be 'avoiding' the front lines or fighting for your country you had a very very rough time of it.
War was hell for those who apparently were not doing their duty for the country.
This is from everyone.
You were a pariah in your communities.
You were picked on by the local authorities (police, etc).So imagine how you felt if you knew you were working hard for Britain in the war but you couldn't tell anyone.
Not only are you not being recognised you're getting all the shit from the rest of your society over it too.
It was not nice for them.
I know I'd bloody be bitter.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28658031</id>
	<title>Re:Let's Start With an Apology</title>
	<author>Bastard of Subhumani</author>
	<datestamp>1247253660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Putting these two things together is a non-sequitor.</p></div></blockquote><p>A what?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Putting these two things together is a non-sequitor.A what ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Putting these two things together is a non-sequitor.A what?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28659141</id>
	<title>Re:Let's Start With an Apology</title>
	<author>Comatose51</author>
	<datestamp>1247318640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It was the combination of the two that made it worse for him.  The government was afraid that his homosexuality can be used to blackmail him into revealing the secret of his work done at Bletchley.  He was forced to take estrogen as a result.  Had he not worked at Bletchley, it probably might not have happened since the British government would not have been as interested in his private life.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was the combination of the two that made it worse for him .
The government was afraid that his homosexuality can be used to blackmail him into revealing the secret of his work done at Bletchley .
He was forced to take estrogen as a result .
Had he not worked at Bletchley , it probably might not have happened since the British government would not have been as interested in his private life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was the combination of the two that made it worse for him.
The government was afraid that his homosexuality can be used to blackmail him into revealing the secret of his work done at Bletchley.
He was forced to take estrogen as a result.
Had he not worked at Bletchley, it probably might not have happened since the British government would not have been as interested in his private life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28658067</id>
	<title>You FAI;L it...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247254200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">eulogies to BSD's Shaal we? OK! Metadiscussions numbers continue</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>eulogies to BSD 's Shaal we ?
OK ! Metadiscussions numbers continue [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>eulogies to BSD's Shaal we?
OK! Metadiscussions numbers continue [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28664395</id>
	<title>Re:Only for the living?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247317440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, like say, the George Cross for Alan Turing seeing has he almost certainly helped end the war early and undoubted saved thousands, potentially even millions of lives through his work.</p><p>But then, that'd also mean admitting Churchill's government was wrong in pushing him to his death, and as Churchill is apparently the greatest ever Britain we couldn't possibly suggest that he did anything wrong now could we.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , like say , the George Cross for Alan Turing seeing has he almost certainly helped end the war early and undoubted saved thousands , potentially even millions of lives through his work.But then , that 'd also mean admitting Churchill 's government was wrong in pushing him to his death , and as Churchill is apparently the greatest ever Britain we could n't possibly suggest that he did anything wrong now could we .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, like say, the George Cross for Alan Turing seeing has he almost certainly helped end the war early and undoubted saved thousands, potentially even millions of lives through his work.But then, that'd also mean admitting Churchill's government was wrong in pushing him to his death, and as Churchill is apparently the greatest ever Britain we couldn't possibly suggest that he did anything wrong now could we.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_10_2318252.28659225</id>
	<title>Re:Polish Cipher Bureau cracked Enigma</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247319900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WTF? Neither summary nor TFA talk about Engima.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WTF ?
Neither summary nor TFA talk about Engima .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WTF?
Neither summary nor TFA talk about Engima.</sentencetext>
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