<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_07_223251</id>
	<title>BT Drops Phorm, Citing More Pressing Priorities</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1246957320000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Tom DBA notes a story up at The Register that begins <i>"BT has <a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/06/bt\_phorm/">abandoned plans to roll out Phorm</a>'s controversial web monitoring and profiling system across its broadband network, claiming it needs to concentrate resources on network upgrades... BT's announcement comes a day before MPs and peers of the All Party Parliamentary Communications Group are due to begin an investigation of Internet privacy. Their intervention follows the <a href="//yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/14/1450217&amp;tid=158">EU's move</a> to sue the UK government over its alleged failure... properly [to] implement European privacy laws with respect to the trials, drawing further bad publicity to the venture."</i> We've <a href="//yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/07/2059255&amp;tid=158">discussed</a> <a href="//yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/22/0221226&amp;tid=158">Phorm</a> <a href="//yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/03/24/1343252&amp;tid=158">many</a> <a href="//yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/28/1759254&amp;tid=158">times</a> in the past.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tom DBA notes a story up at The Register that begins " BT has abandoned plans to roll out Phorm 's controversial web monitoring and profiling system across its broadband network , claiming it needs to concentrate resources on network upgrades... BT 's announcement comes a day before MPs and peers of the All Party Parliamentary Communications Group are due to begin an investigation of Internet privacy .
Their intervention follows the EU 's move to sue the UK government over its alleged failure... properly [ to ] implement European privacy laws with respect to the trials , drawing further bad publicity to the venture .
" We 've discussed Phorm many times in the past .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tom DBA notes a story up at The Register that begins "BT has abandoned plans to roll out Phorm's controversial web monitoring and profiling system across its broadband network, claiming it needs to concentrate resources on network upgrades... BT's announcement comes a day before MPs and peers of the All Party Parliamentary Communications Group are due to begin an investigation of Internet privacy.
Their intervention follows the EU's move to sue the UK government over its alleged failure... properly [to] implement European privacy laws with respect to the trials, drawing further bad publicity to the venture.
" We've discussed Phorm many times in the past.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619703</id>
	<title>Re:Not BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247055840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BT is short for "British Telecommunications PLC." It hasn't been called "British Telecom" since the '80s.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BT is short for " British Telecommunications PLC .
" It has n't been called " British Telecom " since the '80s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BT is short for "British Telecommunications PLC.
" It hasn't been called "British Telecom" since the '80s.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619197</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619851</id>
	<title>Re:Not BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247057880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I always get a good chuckle whenever i see BBC America... haha, oh BBC.   Not like they could have used ABC though... they should have partnered, it would have been as easy as 1,2,3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I always get a good chuckle whenever i see BBC America... haha , oh BBC .
Not like they could have used ABC though... they should have partnered , it would have been as easy as 1,2,3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I always get a good chuckle whenever i see BBC America... haha, oh BBC.
Not like they could have used ABC though... they should have partnered, it would have been as easy as 1,2,3.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619605</id>
	<title>Re:100\% off topic - a small complaint</title>
	<author>4D6963</author>
	<datestamp>1247054400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You forgot all of Slashdot's direct concurrents, <a href="http://digg.com/linux\_unix/Official\_Google\_Blog\_Introducing\_the\_Google\_Chrome\_OS" title="digg.com" rel="nofollow">Digg</a> [digg.com] included. No need for more proof that Slashdot is utterly failing at being a news source. It's a cool place to discuss the news, but it's as for a place to get news from it could be much better than it is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You forgot all of Slashdot 's direct concurrents , Digg [ digg.com ] included .
No need for more proof that Slashdot is utterly failing at being a news source .
It 's a cool place to discuss the news , but it 's as for a place to get news from it could be much better than it is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You forgot all of Slashdot's direct concurrents, Digg [digg.com] included.
No need for more proof that Slashdot is utterly failing at being a news source.
It's a cool place to discuss the news, but it's as for a place to get news from it could be much better than it is.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619449</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28624895</id>
	<title>Re:n2n</title>
	<author>raddan</author>
	<datestamp>1247077260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a little shaky on what the n2n people mean when they say "layer 2 VPN"-- I think this means that they run a tunneled virtual data link layer on top of UDP-- but they also mention the requirement of supernodes (ala Skype) to allow NAT traversal to happen.  I'd have to know a little bit more about how the protocol works to know for sure, but I am a bit more skeptical about security when you allow that to happen.  Perhaps they built it as a virtual layer 2 so that you could ensure that your upper-level end-to-end encryption happened despite your traffic being routed through upper-level intermediaries?  Also-- what kind of protocol overhead are you getting when you have [physical]-[data link]-[network]-[transport (UDP)]-[application]-[data link]-[network]-[transport]-[application]?  Seems like a neat app, so it would be nice if someone who knew a little more about it could answer my questions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a little shaky on what the n2n people mean when they say " layer 2 VPN " -- I think this means that they run a tunneled virtual data link layer on top of UDP-- but they also mention the requirement of supernodes ( ala Skype ) to allow NAT traversal to happen .
I 'd have to know a little bit more about how the protocol works to know for sure , but I am a bit more skeptical about security when you allow that to happen .
Perhaps they built it as a virtual layer 2 so that you could ensure that your upper-level end-to-end encryption happened despite your traffic being routed through upper-level intermediaries ?
Also-- what kind of protocol overhead are you getting when you have [ physical ] - [ data link ] - [ network ] - [ transport ( UDP ) ] - [ application ] - [ data link ] - [ network ] - [ transport ] - [ application ] ?
Seems like a neat app , so it would be nice if someone who knew a little more about it could answer my questions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a little shaky on what the n2n people mean when they say "layer 2 VPN"-- I think this means that they run a tunneled virtual data link layer on top of UDP-- but they also mention the requirement of supernodes (ala Skype) to allow NAT traversal to happen.
I'd have to know a little bit more about how the protocol works to know for sure, but I am a bit more skeptical about security when you allow that to happen.
Perhaps they built it as a virtual layer 2 so that you could ensure that your upper-level end-to-end encryption happened despite your traffic being routed through upper-level intermediaries?
Also-- what kind of protocol overhead are you getting when you have [physical]-[data link]-[network]-[transport (UDP)]-[application]-[data link]-[network]-[transport]-[application]?
Seems like a neat app, so it would be nice if someone who knew a little more about it could answer my questions.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619247</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619333</id>
	<title>Re:n2n</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1247049420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why is the Wintard version payware? Pre-compiled and with an installer for &#226;50? I'll stick with Tor thanks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is the Wintard version payware ?
Pre-compiled and with an installer for   50 ?
I 'll stick with Tor thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is the Wintard version payware?
Pre-compiled and with an installer for â50?
I'll stick with Tor thanks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619247</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619469</id>
	<title>Re:Not too good.</title>
	<author>Heed00</author>
	<datestamp>1247051880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Considering that Phorm is supposed to <i>generate</i> revenue for the ISP by using deep packet inspection at the ISP level to snoop on customers traffic in order to serve "targeted ads", it seems dubious to think they would drop it for reasons of "resources and priority". One would think that generating revenue would be a high priority and that money coming in would be seen as an increase in resources.
<br>
<br>
C'mon BT, you spied on your customers, got caught and now you're back peddling -- admit it, you gave no thought to privacy until the secret trials were exposed. It's precisely because of the backlash over privacy that you're backing away now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering that Phorm is supposed to generate revenue for the ISP by using deep packet inspection at the ISP level to snoop on customers traffic in order to serve " targeted ads " , it seems dubious to think they would drop it for reasons of " resources and priority " .
One would think that generating revenue would be a high priority and that money coming in would be seen as an increase in resources .
C'mon BT , you spied on your customers , got caught and now you 're back peddling -- admit it , you gave no thought to privacy until the secret trials were exposed .
It 's precisely because of the backlash over privacy that you 're backing away now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering that Phorm is supposed to generate revenue for the ISP by using deep packet inspection at the ISP level to snoop on customers traffic in order to serve "targeted ads", it seems dubious to think they would drop it for reasons of "resources and priority".
One would think that generating revenue would be a high priority and that money coming in would be seen as an increase in resources.
C'mon BT, you spied on your customers, got caught and now you're back peddling -- admit it, you gave no thought to privacy until the secret trials were exposed.
It's precisely because of the backlash over privacy that you're backing away now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619279</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619565</id>
	<title>Re:Not too good.</title>
	<author>Wowsers</author>
	<datestamp>1247053740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BT will wait until Phorm renames itself then BT will roll out the system. They will not pass up the opportunity to earn money for nothing after racking up idiotic amounts of losses because they "invested" in foreign (non-UK) businesses, and could not be bothered to update the UK network, choosing to flog that dead horse copper cable for all it's worth for another 20+ years.</p><p>People are not bothered about Phorm and BT, hell, they aren't even bothered by BT's cr@ppy quality Internet and comparatively bad deal internet subscription.... they are still the biggest ISP in the UK. People are suckers for punishment instead of taking their money elsewhere.</p><p>Phorm will be back!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BT will wait until Phorm renames itself then BT will roll out the system .
They will not pass up the opportunity to earn money for nothing after racking up idiotic amounts of losses because they " invested " in foreign ( non-UK ) businesses , and could not be bothered to update the UK network , choosing to flog that dead horse copper cable for all it 's worth for another 20 + years.People are not bothered about Phorm and BT , hell , they are n't even bothered by BT 's cr @ ppy quality Internet and comparatively bad deal internet subscription.... they are still the biggest ISP in the UK .
People are suckers for punishment instead of taking their money elsewhere.Phorm will be back !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BT will wait until Phorm renames itself then BT will roll out the system.
They will not pass up the opportunity to earn money for nothing after racking up idiotic amounts of losses because they "invested" in foreign (non-UK) businesses, and could not be bothered to update the UK network, choosing to flog that dead horse copper cable for all it's worth for another 20+ years.People are not bothered about Phorm and BT, hell, they aren't even bothered by BT's cr@ppy quality Internet and comparatively bad deal internet subscription.... they are still the biggest ISP in the UK.
People are suckers for punishment instead of taking their money elsewhere.Phorm will be back!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619279</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28620533</id>
	<title>Re:Not BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Aceticon</author>
	<datestamp>1247061900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The "British" brand has not been a mark of quality in Europe for anything but pop-music for at least 30 years.</p><p>(personally I blame it on shoddy management)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The " British " brand has not been a mark of quality in Europe for anything but pop-music for at least 30 years .
( personally I blame it on shoddy management )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The "British" brand has not been a mark of quality in Europe for anything but pop-music for at least 30 years.
(personally I blame it on shoddy management)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619257</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28624817</id>
	<title>Re:n2n</title>
	<author>Mister Whirly</author>
	<datestamp>1247077020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because we can't all live in a fantasy world where all goods and services are free as in beer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because we ca n't all live in a fantasy world where all goods and services are free as in beer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because we can't all live in a fantasy world where all goods and services are free as in beer.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619333</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28625111</id>
	<title>Re:Vote with your wallet</title>
	<author>smoker2</author>
	<datestamp>1247078040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Be is part of O2 not the other way around. And you can have a cancellation free contract with Be, you just pay a set up fee. You also get a free fixed IP address, free modem and up to 24 Mbit ADSL2. All for &pound;17.50/month with no usage cap.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Be is part of O2 not the other way around .
And you can have a cancellation free contract with Be , you just pay a set up fee .
You also get a free fixed IP address , free modem and up to 24 Mbit ADSL2 .
All for   17.50/month with no usage cap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Be is part of O2 not the other way around.
And you can have a cancellation free contract with Be, you just pay a set up fee.
You also get a free fixed IP address, free modem and up to 24 Mbit ADSL2.
All for £17.50/month with no usage cap.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619669</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28623329</id>
	<title>mo3 uCp</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247071800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>refor8atted Software lawyers You don't need to</htmltext>
<tokenext>refor8atted Software lawyers You do n't need to</tokentext>
<sentencetext>refor8atted Software lawyers You don't need to</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619513</id>
	<title>Re:100\% off topic - a small complaint</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247053020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If there was ever a post worthy of being modded into offtopic oblivion, it's the parent post.<br> <br>If you want a story, write one. Slashdot is powered by <b>our</b> submissions. Personally, as a Brit, I'm quite enjoying the coverage of Phorm.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If there was ever a post worthy of being modded into offtopic oblivion , it 's the parent post .
If you want a story , write one .
Slashdot is powered by our submissions .
Personally , as a Brit , I 'm quite enjoying the coverage of Phorm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there was ever a post worthy of being modded into offtopic oblivion, it's the parent post.
If you want a story, write one.
Slashdot is powered by our submissions.
Personally, as a Brit, I'm quite enjoying the coverage of Phorm.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619449</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619369</id>
	<title>Re:Not BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Big Hairy Ian</author>
	<datestamp>1247049900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Shortcut???? surely you mean acronym which is still incorrect given that British Telecom changed its name in the early 90's to BT as others in here have already pointed out.  Lets see BitTorrent has been around for what about 6 or 7 years which one do you think has prior art???</htmltext>
<tokenext>Shortcut ? ? ? ?
surely you mean acronym which is still incorrect given that British Telecom changed its name in the early 90 's to BT as others in here have already pointed out .
Lets see BitTorrent has been around for what about 6 or 7 years which one do you think has prior art ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Shortcut????
surely you mean acronym which is still incorrect given that British Telecom changed its name in the early 90's to BT as others in here have already pointed out.
Lets see BitTorrent has been around for what about 6 or 7 years which one do you think has prior art??
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619197</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619331</id>
	<title>Re:Not BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247049420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://www.btplc.com/Thegroup/BTsHistory/History.htm "BT - a new name and identity for British Telecom" - since 2 April 1991...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.btplc.com/Thegroup/BTsHistory/History.htm " BT - a new name and identity for British Telecom " - since 2 April 1991.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.btplc.com/Thegroup/BTsHistory/History.htm "BT - a new name and identity for British Telecom" - since 2 April 1991...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619593</id>
	<title>TalkTalk (inc Tiscali) have dropped it as well.</title>
	<author>Maddog Batty</author>
	<datestamp>1247054220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4002-talktalk-follow-suit-on-phorm.html" title="thinkbroadband.com">http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4002-talktalk-follow-suit-on-phorm.html</a> [thinkbroadband.com]</p><p>I hope nobody owns Phorm shares...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4002-talktalk-follow-suit-on-phorm.html [ thinkbroadband.com ] I hope nobody owns Phorm shares.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/4002-talktalk-follow-suit-on-phorm.html [thinkbroadband.com]I hope nobody owns Phorm shares...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619247</id>
	<title>n2n</title>
	<author>hansraj</author>
	<datestamp>1247048280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Has anyone used the <a href="http://www.ntop.org/n2n/" title="ntop.org">n2n peer VPN</a> [ntop.org]?</p><p>It would be neat if such solutions were built into the popular distros; with all the monitoring creeping up around us it is about time that our PCs defaulted to encrypted traffic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Has anyone used the n2n peer VPN [ ntop.org ] ? It would be neat if such solutions were built into the popular distros ; with all the monitoring creeping up around us it is about time that our PCs defaulted to encrypted traffic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has anyone used the n2n peer VPN [ntop.org]?It would be neat if such solutions were built into the popular distros; with all the monitoring creeping up around us it is about time that our PCs defaulted to encrypted traffic.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619279</id>
	<title>Not too good.</title>
	<author>auric\_dude</author>
	<datestamp>1247048700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>From BT via the <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/default.stm" title="bbc.co.uk">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/default.stm</a> [bbc.co.uk] <p> "[Our decision has] nothing to do with cost or privacy, it's about resources and priority,"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>From BT via the http : //news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/default.stm [ bbc.co.uk ] " [ Our decision has ] nothing to do with cost or privacy , it 's about resources and priority , "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From BT via the http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/default.stm [bbc.co.uk]  "[Our decision has] nothing to do with cost or privacy, it's about resources and priority,"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619573</id>
	<title>Re:100\% off topic - a small complaint</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247053800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The POINT of the parent is that this story broke before, there are like 6 submissions of it in the firehose and last I checked one of them was red. Why the hell is it not on the mainpage already?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The POINT of the parent is that this story broke before , there are like 6 submissions of it in the firehose and last I checked one of them was red .
Why the hell is it not on the mainpage already ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The POINT of the parent is that this story broke before, there are like 6 submissions of it in the firehose and last I checked one of them was red.
Why the hell is it not on the mainpage already?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619513</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28620031</id>
	<title>All for a little while</title>
	<author>freedom\_india</author>
	<datestamp>1247059500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recall the Yes, Minister Episode where the minister is stringently against invasion of privacy and tapping, but when his life is on the line he accepts the recommendations to tap telephone lines.<br>In short, all BT has to do to implement this is to show the peers and MPs a real-life example of Yes, Minister episode!<br>Voila!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recall the Yes , Minister Episode where the minister is stringently against invasion of privacy and tapping , but when his life is on the line he accepts the recommendations to tap telephone lines.In short , all BT has to do to implement this is to show the peers and MPs a real-life example of Yes , Minister episode ! Voila !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recall the Yes, Minister Episode where the minister is stringently against invasion of privacy and tapping, but when his life is on the line he accepts the recommendations to tap telephone lines.In short, all BT has to do to implement this is to show the peers and MPs a real-life example of Yes, Minister episode!Voila!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619637</id>
	<title>Re:Not BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247054880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>..also BP no longer stands for British Petroleum - it's now <em>Beyond</em> Petroleum, which I thought was quite inspired of them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>..also BP no longer stands for British Petroleum - it 's now Beyond Petroleum , which I thought was quite inspired of them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..also BP no longer stands for British Petroleum - it's now Beyond Petroleum, which I thought was quite inspired of them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619343</id>
	<title>I thought it was just on hold</title>
	<author>AnalPerfume</author>
	<datestamp>1247049540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>This "focusing revenues" sounds a lot like an equation which didn't work out well for Phorm.<br><br>On one had is the money they "could" make by introducing it by adverts, on the other is the potential number of existing customers who will jump to another ISP added to the number of potential customers not even looking at BT as an option when switching from their ISP. Their current subscribers direct debits are guaranteed income with most subscribers not bothering to look around. Not to mention dealing with Phorm gives you the badge of a pariah.<br><br>They could be right, in that it's more profitable to drop Phorm. That said, I'm not sure they dropped it permanently. They seem to have bought into the DPI advert injection model, so no doubt they will only put it into the "let's get back to that after the broohaha has calmed down" box before being reintroduced a couple of years from now under a different name with lessons learned about "how not to get caught". They may still face further legal / political fallout over what they've done to date with Phorm, so dropping Phorm may help mitigate any sanctions.<br><br>For those who are currently with BT and have reconsidered moving away after this announcement I say "watch this space, BT have proven themselves perfectly willing to fuck their customers over once, they will do it again". BT think they have done no wrong. They can't be trusted. They avoided police action in the UK, they may yet avoid other punishment, but consumers CAN punish them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This " focusing revenues " sounds a lot like an equation which did n't work out well for Phorm.On one had is the money they " could " make by introducing it by adverts , on the other is the potential number of existing customers who will jump to another ISP added to the number of potential customers not even looking at BT as an option when switching from their ISP .
Their current subscribers direct debits are guaranteed income with most subscribers not bothering to look around .
Not to mention dealing with Phorm gives you the badge of a pariah.They could be right , in that it 's more profitable to drop Phorm .
That said , I 'm not sure they dropped it permanently .
They seem to have bought into the DPI advert injection model , so no doubt they will only put it into the " let 's get back to that after the broohaha has calmed down " box before being reintroduced a couple of years from now under a different name with lessons learned about " how not to get caught " .
They may still face further legal / political fallout over what they 've done to date with Phorm , so dropping Phorm may help mitigate any sanctions.For those who are currently with BT and have reconsidered moving away after this announcement I say " watch this space , BT have proven themselves perfectly willing to fuck their customers over once , they will do it again " .
BT think they have done no wrong .
They ca n't be trusted .
They avoided police action in the UK , they may yet avoid other punishment , but consumers CAN punish them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This "focusing revenues" sounds a lot like an equation which didn't work out well for Phorm.On one had is the money they "could" make by introducing it by adverts, on the other is the potential number of existing customers who will jump to another ISP added to the number of potential customers not even looking at BT as an option when switching from their ISP.
Their current subscribers direct debits are guaranteed income with most subscribers not bothering to look around.
Not to mention dealing with Phorm gives you the badge of a pariah.They could be right, in that it's more profitable to drop Phorm.
That said, I'm not sure they dropped it permanently.
They seem to have bought into the DPI advert injection model, so no doubt they will only put it into the "let's get back to that after the broohaha has calmed down" box before being reintroduced a couple of years from now under a different name with lessons learned about "how not to get caught".
They may still face further legal / political fallout over what they've done to date with Phorm, so dropping Phorm may help mitigate any sanctions.For those who are currently with BT and have reconsidered moving away after this announcement I say "watch this space, BT have proven themselves perfectly willing to fuck their customers over once, they will do it again".
BT think they have done no wrong.
They can't be trusted.
They avoided police action in the UK, they may yet avoid other punishment, but consumers CAN punish them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28623383</id>
	<title>Re:Not too good.</title>
	<author>guruevi</author>
	<datestamp>1247072040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, Phorm in it's current form (pun not intended) will not return. What will return is a milder version of it. Then they can say: look it's not as bad as Phorm, but it needs to be done for the children. The same happened when they planned to change our promised unlimited broadband  to a monthly 10GB limit. They received a lot of backlash from their customers then said: ok we won't do it and behind the scenes they changed the contract to say they reserve the right to bother you if you're using too much of your bandwidth (a vague limit that seems to be ~50GB) and they started throttling certain protocols. See also the example of AT&amp;T's deep packet inspection for the NSA - they said they won't do it anymore without a warrant - they'll just have to ask a warrant from a non-existent court controlled by the NSA and the packet inspection goes on at even larger levels than before.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , Phorm in it 's current form ( pun not intended ) will not return .
What will return is a milder version of it .
Then they can say : look it 's not as bad as Phorm , but it needs to be done for the children .
The same happened when they planned to change our promised unlimited broadband to a monthly 10GB limit .
They received a lot of backlash from their customers then said : ok we wo n't do it and behind the scenes they changed the contract to say they reserve the right to bother you if you 're using too much of your bandwidth ( a vague limit that seems to be ~ 50GB ) and they started throttling certain protocols .
See also the example of AT&amp;T 's deep packet inspection for the NSA - they said they wo n't do it anymore without a warrant - they 'll just have to ask a warrant from a non-existent court controlled by the NSA and the packet inspection goes on at even larger levels than before .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, Phorm in it's current form (pun not intended) will not return.
What will return is a milder version of it.
Then they can say: look it's not as bad as Phorm, but it needs to be done for the children.
The same happened when they planned to change our promised unlimited broadband  to a monthly 10GB limit.
They received a lot of backlash from their customers then said: ok we won't do it and behind the scenes they changed the contract to say they reserve the right to bother you if you're using too much of your bandwidth (a vague limit that seems to be ~50GB) and they started throttling certain protocols.
See also the example of AT&amp;T's deep packet inspection for the NSA - they said they won't do it anymore without a warrant - they'll just have to ask a warrant from a non-existent court controlled by the NSA and the packet inspection goes on at even larger levels than before.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28621019</id>
	<title>Re:100\% off topic - a small complaint</title>
	<author>Bozovision</author>
	<datestamp>1247063640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm the parent poster.</p><p>My point is that this was major tech news. And hours after the news broke, it still hadn't appeared on the front page. It should have been there minutes after the announcement seeing as it's major news nerds. Even that gnat in the technology-news arena, Republica, managed to report it before it appeared here. Slashdot should be waaaaaaay ahead of the crowd in reporting interesting IT stories.</p><p>I'm not decrying the Phorm story: I'm also in the UK and have an interest in it, and I'm glad it was published, but to have it appear while news of a major development in the operating-system-wars is sitting in the queue shows that there's a problem in the editorial flow.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm the parent poster.My point is that this was major tech news .
And hours after the news broke , it still had n't appeared on the front page .
It should have been there minutes after the announcement seeing as it 's major news nerds .
Even that gnat in the technology-news arena , Republica , managed to report it before it appeared here .
Slashdot should be waaaaaaay ahead of the crowd in reporting interesting IT stories.I 'm not decrying the Phorm story : I 'm also in the UK and have an interest in it , and I 'm glad it was published , but to have it appear while news of a major development in the operating-system-wars is sitting in the queue shows that there 's a problem in the editorial flow .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm the parent poster.My point is that this was major tech news.
And hours after the news broke, it still hadn't appeared on the front page.
It should have been there minutes after the announcement seeing as it's major news nerds.
Even that gnat in the technology-news arena, Republica, managed to report it before it appeared here.
Slashdot should be waaaaaaay ahead of the crowd in reporting interesting IT stories.I'm not decrying the Phorm story: I'm also in the UK and have an interest in it, and I'm glad it was published, but to have it appear while news of a major development in the operating-system-wars is sitting in the queue shows that there's a problem in the editorial flow.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619449</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619371</id>
	<title>Re:Not BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247049900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No - see <a href="http://www.btplc.com/Thegroup/BTsHistory/History.htm" title="btplc.com" rel="nofollow">BT's History page</a> [btplc.com] "BT - a new name and identity for British Telecom" - since 2 April 1991...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No - see BT 's History page [ btplc.com ] " BT - a new name and identity for British Telecom " - since 2 April 1991.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No - see BT's History page [btplc.com] "BT - a new name and identity for British Telecom" - since 2 April 1991...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619197</id>
	<title>Not BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247047620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think this has always been said in previous articles, but guys, please, stop using "BT" as a shortcut for "British Telecom".<br>For most of the world, BT is BitTorrent.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this has always been said in previous articles , but guys , please , stop using " BT " as a shortcut for " British Telecom " .For most of the world , BT is BitTorrent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this has always been said in previous articles, but guys, please, stop using "BT" as a shortcut for "British Telecom".For most of the world, BT is BitTorrent.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619669</id>
	<title>Re:Vote with your wallet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247055360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Bit of guesswork on who it is...</p><p>Well 3x faster than BT would have to be an LLU Operator, because everything else is all BT (openreach) infrastructure &amp; the only difference between ISPs that use that is how good they are at kicking BT up the arse when things go wrong*.</p><p>That limits it in practical terms to Be and Sky (O2 are Be resellers).  None of these have a 1 month rolling contract with no cancellation fee.  Both of them are IWF encumbered, which is a negative mark against them.</p><p>* In that respect I recommend A&amp;A who even have a bot that reopens trouble tickets every time BT close them prematurely.. it's quite fun to watch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Bit of guesswork on who it is...Well 3x faster than BT would have to be an LLU Operator , because everything else is all BT ( openreach ) infrastructure &amp; the only difference between ISPs that use that is how good they are at kicking BT up the arse when things go wrong * .That limits it in practical terms to Be and Sky ( O2 are Be resellers ) .
None of these have a 1 month rolling contract with no cancellation fee .
Both of them are IWF encumbered , which is a negative mark against them .
* In that respect I recommend A&amp;A who even have a bot that reopens trouble tickets every time BT close them prematurely.. it 's quite fun to watch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bit of guesswork on who it is...Well 3x faster than BT would have to be an LLU Operator, because everything else is all BT (openreach) infrastructure &amp; the only difference between ISPs that use that is how good they are at kicking BT up the arse when things go wrong*.That limits it in practical terms to Be and Sky (O2 are Be resellers).
None of these have a 1 month rolling contract with no cancellation fee.
Both of them are IWF encumbered, which is a negative mark against them.
* In that respect I recommend A&amp;A who even have a bot that reopens trouble tickets every time BT close them prematurely.. it's quite fun to watch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28621659</id>
	<title>Re:Not BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247065920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>British Steel (now Corus)</p></div><p>WHAT? They renamed British Steel? But that was one of Judas Priest's best albums!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>British Steel ( now Corus ) WHAT ?
They renamed British Steel ?
But that was one of Judas Priest 's best albums !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>British Steel (now Corus)WHAT?
They renamed British Steel?
But that was one of Judas Priest's best albums!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619257</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619765</id>
	<title>So Has TalkTalk / Carphone Warehouse</title>
	<author>cyclomedia</author>
	<datestamp>1247056980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Citation: <a href="http://www.oss.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/2009/7/8/carphone-warehouses-talktalk-wont-roll-out-phorm/" title="itproportal.com">http://www.oss.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/2009/7/8/carphone-warehouses-talktalk-wont-roll-out-phorm/</a> [itproportal.com]
</p><p>
lameness filter we love you, lameness filter yes it's true, without your constant content cravings, no one'd read my poetic ravings.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Citation : http : //www.oss.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/2009/7/8/carphone-warehouses-talktalk-wont-roll-out-phorm/ [ itproportal.com ] lameness filter we love you , lameness filter yes it 's true , without your constant content cravings , no one 'd read my poetic ravings .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Citation: http://www.oss.itproportal.com/portal/news/article/2009/7/8/carphone-warehouses-talktalk-wont-roll-out-phorm/ [itproportal.com]

lameness filter we love you, lameness filter yes it's true, without your constant content cravings, no one'd read my poetic ravings.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619257</id>
	<title>Re:Not BitTorrent</title>
	<author>weeble</author>
	<datestamp>1247048400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BT (British Telecom) was rebranded years ago and is most widely known as BT.  This is because they are an International Company and did not want to be only associated with operating in the UK.</p><p>See:<br><a href="http://paulrobertlloyd.com/articles/britain\_rebranded/" title="paulrobertlloyd.com">http://paulrobertlloyd.com/articles/britain\_rebranded/</a> [paulrobertlloyd.com]</p><p>"British companies now operate on a global scale and many had decided that any British associations were not good for business. A look at the number of privatised companies that have changed their names will tell you this. British Telecom was one of the first when it became BT in the early nineties - when many other national telecom companies - France Telecom and Deutche Telecom for example haven't felt the need. British Gas (now BG) and British Steel (now Corus) are two recent examples."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BT ( British Telecom ) was rebranded years ago and is most widely known as BT .
This is because they are an International Company and did not want to be only associated with operating in the UK.See : http : //paulrobertlloyd.com/articles/britain \ _rebranded/ [ paulrobertlloyd.com ] " British companies now operate on a global scale and many had decided that any British associations were not good for business .
A look at the number of privatised companies that have changed their names will tell you this .
British Telecom was one of the first when it became BT in the early nineties - when many other national telecom companies - France Telecom and Deutche Telecom for example have n't felt the need .
British Gas ( now BG ) and British Steel ( now Corus ) are two recent examples .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BT (British Telecom) was rebranded years ago and is most widely known as BT.
This is because they are an International Company and did not want to be only associated with operating in the UK.See:http://paulrobertlloyd.com/articles/britain\_rebranded/ [paulrobertlloyd.com]"British companies now operate on a global scale and many had decided that any British associations were not good for business.
A look at the number of privatised companies that have changed their names will tell you this.
British Telecom was one of the first when it became BT in the early nineties - when many other national telecom companies - France Telecom and Deutche Telecom for example haven't felt the need.
British Gas (now BG) and British Steel (now Corus) are two recent examples.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28620381</id>
	<title>And so they start to tumble</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247061180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Following straight on TalkTalk the second biggest ISP in the UK also ditches Phorm<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... another 13\% of the shares not a good week for them</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Following straight on TalkTalk the second biggest ISP in the UK also ditches Phorm .... another 13 \ % of the shares not a good week for them</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Following straight on TalkTalk the second biggest ISP in the UK also ditches Phorm .... another 13\% of the shares not a good week for them</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619495</id>
	<title>Re:100\% off topic - a small complaint</title>
	<author>ChienAndalu</author>
	<datestamp>1247052840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That firehose thingy has a few dozen submissions, but hitting the "+" doesn't really do anything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That firehose thingy has a few dozen submissions , but hitting the " + " does n't really do anything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That firehose thingy has a few dozen submissions, but hitting the "+" doesn't really do anything.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619449</id>
	<title>100\% off topic - a small complaint</title>
	<author>Bozovision</author>
	<datestamp>1247051580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would like to point out that the <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8139711.stm" title="bbc.co.uk" rel="nofollow">BBC</a> [bbc.co.uk], <a href="http://www.boingboing.net/2009/07/07/google-chrome-os.html" title="boingboing.net" rel="nofollow">Boingboing</a> [boingboing.net], <a href="http://www.mg.co.za/article/2009-07-08-google-to-launch-operating-system-for-pcs" title="mg.co.za" rel="nofollow">South Africa's Mail &amp; Guardian</a> [mg.co.za],  the UK's <a href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology/2009/07/08/google-chrome-os-google-takes-on-windows-115875-21503394/" title="mirror.co.uk" rel="nofollow">Daily Mirror</a> [mirror.co.uk], the bloody Katmandu, Nepal based <a href="http://www.myrepublica.com/portal/index.php?action=news\_details&amp;news\_id=7215" title="myrepublica.com" rel="nofollow">Republica</a> [myrepublica.com], and 632 news sources managed to report the announcement of Google Chrome OS before it was a glimmer in Slashdot's eye.</p><p>A very poor show for Slashdot, which is supposed to be news for nerds, stuff that matters.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would like to point out that the BBC [ bbc.co.uk ] , Boingboing [ boingboing.net ] , South Africa 's Mail &amp; Guardian [ mg.co.za ] , the UK 's Daily Mirror [ mirror.co.uk ] , the bloody Katmandu , Nepal based Republica [ myrepublica.com ] , and 632 news sources managed to report the announcement of Google Chrome OS before it was a glimmer in Slashdot 's eye.A very poor show for Slashdot , which is supposed to be news for nerds , stuff that matters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would like to point out that the BBC [bbc.co.uk], Boingboing [boingboing.net], South Africa's Mail &amp; Guardian [mg.co.za],  the UK's Daily Mirror [mirror.co.uk], the bloody Katmandu, Nepal based Republica [myrepublica.com], and 632 news sources managed to report the announcement of Google Chrome OS before it was a glimmer in Slashdot's eye.A very poor show for Slashdot, which is supposed to be news for nerds, stuff that matters.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619611</id>
	<title>Re:Vote with your wallet</title>
	<author>FinchWorld</author>
	<datestamp>1247054460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Care to pass on a name for this ISP?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Care to pass on a name for this ISP ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Care to pass on a name for this ISP?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619327</id>
	<title>Re:Not too good.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247049240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It has to do with publicity and public pressure.</p><p>They can't admit that there are privacy problems especially after they ran the trial without informing people.</p><p>The main resources are probably public relations and reputation.</p><p>It wasn't going to generate them enough cash to be worth these problems.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It has to do with publicity and public pressure.They ca n't admit that there are privacy problems especially after they ran the trial without informing people.The main resources are probably public relations and reputation.It was n't going to generate them enough cash to be worth these problems .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It has to do with publicity and public pressure.They can't admit that there are privacy problems especially after they ran the trial without informing people.The main resources are probably public relations and reputation.It wasn't going to generate them enough cash to be worth these problems.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28624743</id>
	<title>Dear Phorm</title>
	<author>pandrijeczko</author>
	<datestamp>1247076780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Kindly phuck off.</p><p>Regards</p><p>BT</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Kindly phuck off.RegardsBT</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kindly phuck off.RegardsBT</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28620867</id>
	<title>I consider most of the /. readers smart...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247063100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>However, there is a glaring fact that needs to be made clear.  The Internet, by design, is a public domain.  If you put something on the Internet and someone else has an interest in what you have to published.  They will see it.  If you do not want certain people to see what you have published.  Do not put it on the Internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>However , there is a glaring fact that needs to be made clear .
The Internet , by design , is a public domain .
If you put something on the Internet and someone else has an interest in what you have to published .
They will see it .
If you do not want certain people to see what you have published .
Do not put it on the Internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>However, there is a glaring fact that needs to be made clear.
The Internet, by design, is a public domain.
If you put something on the Internet and someone else has an interest in what you have to published.
They will see it.
If you do not want certain people to see what you have published.
Do not put it on the Internet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619437</id>
	<title>Re:Not too good.</title>
	<author>ocularDeathRay</author>
	<datestamp>1247051280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think, all over the world we realize that our rights online will evaporate in the next few years, as governments edge their way into yet another facet of our lives... I just wish we could all agree on that point and try to negotiate a fair trade. Really I think the brits should trade their internet privacy for the following:
<br> <br>
1. a new season of Coupling ending in an uncensored lesbian orgy between all three of the chicks<br>
2. a return visit of Theo Pamphlet to Top Gear, so that we can see "Theo Pamphlet" on the board twice as often and chuckle about Jeremy's joke where it was harder to pronounce Peter Jones than Theodoris Pafthiefteistifitsis<br>
3. a better looking hotel inspector<br>
4. a free and complete DVD collection of Red Dwarf and Fawlty Towers for every american so we can stop watching PBS pledge drives (except when Red Green is on of course)<br>
5. a show where Gordon Ramsey drives around in Oliver while trying to convince Peter Jones to invest in his new restaurant.<br>
6. no more antique road show
<br> <br>
perhaps there are more pressing issues, but my knowledge of life in EU comes from watching BBCA...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think , all over the world we realize that our rights online will evaporate in the next few years , as governments edge their way into yet another facet of our lives... I just wish we could all agree on that point and try to negotiate a fair trade .
Really I think the brits should trade their internet privacy for the following : 1. a new season of Coupling ending in an uncensored lesbian orgy between all three of the chicks 2. a return visit of Theo Pamphlet to Top Gear , so that we can see " Theo Pamphlet " on the board twice as often and chuckle about Jeremy 's joke where it was harder to pronounce Peter Jones than Theodoris Pafthiefteistifitsis 3. a better looking hotel inspector 4. a free and complete DVD collection of Red Dwarf and Fawlty Towers for every american so we can stop watching PBS pledge drives ( except when Red Green is on of course ) 5. a show where Gordon Ramsey drives around in Oliver while trying to convince Peter Jones to invest in his new restaurant .
6. no more antique road show perhaps there are more pressing issues , but my knowledge of life in EU comes from watching BBCA.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think, all over the world we realize that our rights online will evaporate in the next few years, as governments edge their way into yet another facet of our lives... I just wish we could all agree on that point and try to negotiate a fair trade.
Really I think the brits should trade their internet privacy for the following:
 
1. a new season of Coupling ending in an uncensored lesbian orgy between all three of the chicks
2. a return visit of Theo Pamphlet to Top Gear, so that we can see "Theo Pamphlet" on the board twice as often and chuckle about Jeremy's joke where it was harder to pronounce Peter Jones than Theodoris Pafthiefteistifitsis
3. a better looking hotel inspector
4. a free and complete DVD collection of Red Dwarf and Fawlty Towers for every american so we can stop watching PBS pledge drives (except when Red Green is on of course)
5. a show where Gordon Ramsey drives around in Oliver while trying to convince Peter Jones to invest in his new restaurant.
6. no more antique road show
 
perhaps there are more pressing issues, but my knowledge of life in EU comes from watching BBCA...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619279</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619517</id>
	<title>Vote with your wallet</title>
	<author>minasoko</author>
	<datestamp>1247053140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Too late, BTbroadband. I recently ended my 'unlimited' (which is <a href="http://bt.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/bt.cfg/php/enduser/cci/bt\_adp.php?p\_sid=a1Jejgcj&amp;cat\_lvl1=346&amp;cat\_lvl2=401&amp;cat\_lvl3=419&amp;cat\_lvl4=424&amp;p\_cv=4.424&amp;p\_cats=346,401,419,424&amp;p\_faqid=10495" title="custhelp.com" rel="nofollow">actually limited</a> [custhelp.com]) service with them and moved to a provider who doesn't think its OK to inspect and modify my traffic in order to make advertising revenue.<br> <br>

As a bonus, I get a truly unlimited connection which is over 3x faster than BT could offer, a one month rolling contract, no cancellation fee, no port blocking and a nice cPanel customer portal, all for about 3GBP more a month. My only regret is that I didn't do it sooner.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Too late , BTbroadband .
I recently ended my 'unlimited ' ( which is actually limited [ custhelp.com ] ) service with them and moved to a provider who does n't think its OK to inspect and modify my traffic in order to make advertising revenue .
As a bonus , I get a truly unlimited connection which is over 3x faster than BT could offer , a one month rolling contract , no cancellation fee , no port blocking and a nice cPanel customer portal , all for about 3GBP more a month .
My only regret is that I did n't do it sooner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too late, BTbroadband.
I recently ended my 'unlimited' (which is actually limited [custhelp.com]) service with them and moved to a provider who doesn't think its OK to inspect and modify my traffic in order to make advertising revenue.
As a bonus, I get a truly unlimited connection which is over 3x faster than BT could offer, a one month rolling contract, no cancellation fee, no port blocking and a nice cPanel customer portal, all for about 3GBP more a month.
My only regret is that I didn't do it sooner.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619193</id>
	<title>How do we know</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247047560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How do we know Phorm didn't use deep packet inspection/manipulation to show us this article while in fact it's not there.....</p><p>Now I still have to find an appropriate Matrix quote and my tin foil hat.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>How do we know Phorm did n't use deep packet inspection/manipulation to show us this article while in fact it 's not there.....Now I still have to find an appropriate Matrix quote and my tin foil hat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do we know Phorm didn't use deep packet inspection/manipulation to show us this article while in fact it's not there.....Now I still have to find an appropriate Matrix quote and my tin foil hat.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619335</id>
	<title>Re:Not BitTorrent</title>
	<author>Nossie</author>
	<datestamp>1247049420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>awwwwwwww go throw your toys out the pram</p><p>BT has been around since the 1980's and operates in over 170 countries....</p><p>I think that beats bit torrent...</p><p>guys, please stop calling it BP, for most of the world BP is Brooklyn Philharmonic</p><p>-errrr<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... NOOOOO!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>awwwwwwww go throw your toys out the pramBT has been around since the 1980 's and operates in over 170 countries....I think that beats bit torrent...guys , please stop calling it BP , for most of the world BP is Brooklyn Philharmonic-errrr ... NOOOOO !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>awwwwwwww go throw your toys out the pramBT has been around since the 1980's and operates in over 170 countries....I think that beats bit torrent...guys, please stop calling it BP, for most of the world BP is Brooklyn Philharmonic-errrr ... NOOOOO!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619197</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28620463</id>
	<title>BT Drops</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247061540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BT is now dropping Phorm, after a career of dropping <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT\_(musician)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Phat beats</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BT is now dropping Phorm , after a career of dropping Phat beats [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BT is now dropping Phorm, after a career of dropping Phat beats [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619713</id>
	<title>Re:Vote with your wallet</title>
	<author>minasoko</author>
	<datestamp>1247056200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Excuse my replying to my own post, but there is a <a href="http://adsl24.co.uk/broadband/llu/" title="adsl24.co.uk" rel="nofollow">three month notice period</a> [adsl24.co.uk] on the LLU service I use, not one month as I stated. It's their standard ADSL packages that have a rolling month-to-month contract.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Excuse my replying to my own post , but there is a three month notice period [ adsl24.co.uk ] on the LLU service I use , not one month as I stated .
It 's their standard ADSL packages that have a rolling month-to-month contract .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Excuse my replying to my own post, but there is a three month notice period [adsl24.co.uk] on the LLU service I use, not one month as I stated.
It's their standard ADSL packages that have a rolling month-to-month contract.</sentencetext>
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--http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28620533
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619369
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619703
-http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_223251.28619335
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