<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_07_1933219</id>
	<title>Prof. Nesson Ordered To Show Cause</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1246954680000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">NewYorkCountryLawyer</a> writes <i>"Professor Charles Nesson, the Harvard law professor serving pro bono as counsel to the defendant in <a href="http://beckermanlegal.com/pdf/?file=/Documents.htm&amp;s=SONY\_v\_Tenenbaum">SONY BMG Music Entertainment v. Tenenbaum</a>, has been <a href="http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2009/07/order-to-show-cause-issued-by-judge.html">ordered to show cause</a> why sanctions should not be issued against him for violating the Court's orders prohibiting reproduction of the court proceedings. The order to show cause was in furtherance of <a href="http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/2009/07/riaa-makes-motion-for-discovery.html">the RIAA's motion for sanctions and protective order</a>, which we <a href="//yro.slashdot.org/story/09/07/06/2034213/">discussed here yesterday</a>. The Judge indicated that she was 'deeply concerned' about Prof. Nesson's apparent 'blatant disregard' of her order."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>NewYorkCountryLawyer writes " Professor Charles Nesson , the Harvard law professor serving pro bono as counsel to the defendant in SONY BMG Music Entertainment v. Tenenbaum , has been ordered to show cause why sanctions should not be issued against him for violating the Court 's orders prohibiting reproduction of the court proceedings .
The order to show cause was in furtherance of the RIAA 's motion for sanctions and protective order , which we discussed here yesterday .
The Judge indicated that she was 'deeply concerned ' about Prof. Nesson 's apparent 'blatant disregard ' of her order .
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<sentencetext>NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "Professor Charles Nesson, the Harvard law professor serving pro bono as counsel to the defendant in SONY BMG Music Entertainment v. Tenenbaum, has been ordered to show cause why sanctions should not be issued against him for violating the Court's orders prohibiting reproduction of the court proceedings.
The order to show cause was in furtherance of the RIAA's motion for sanctions and protective order, which we discussed here yesterday.
The Judge indicated that she was 'deeply concerned' about Prof. Nesson's apparent 'blatant disregard' of her order.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613711</id>
	<title>I love how...</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1246960080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>this process is so clean and efficient when the RIAA's the victim but when the RIAA lawyers break rules this stuff, if it happens, gets dragged on and on until it's forgotten.</htmltext>
<tokenext>this process is so clean and efficient when the RIAA 's the victim but when the RIAA lawyers break rules this stuff , if it happens , gets dragged on and on until it 's forgotten .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this process is so clean and efficient when the RIAA's the victim but when the RIAA lawyers break rules this stuff, if it happens, gets dragged on and on until it's forgotten.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28616011</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>Repossessed</author>
	<datestamp>1246972020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those aren't corporations.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those are n't corporations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those aren't corporations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613573</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246959480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe it's time for a Copyright section on here?  If they just front paged the general information (lawsuit filed, case concluding, etc.) and filed the rest in the section, I bet that's a compromise that'd work for everybody.</p><p>I read it all, myself, but I can see where it gets annoying if you don't care about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe it 's time for a Copyright section on here ?
If they just front paged the general information ( lawsuit filed , case concluding , etc .
) and filed the rest in the section , I bet that 's a compromise that 'd work for everybody.I read it all , myself , but I can see where it gets annoying if you do n't care about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe it's time for a Copyright section on here?
If they just front paged the general information (lawsuit filed, case concluding, etc.
) and filed the rest in the section, I bet that's a compromise that'd work for everybody.I read it all, myself, but I can see where it gets annoying if you don't care about it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613243</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613513</id>
	<title>End It</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246959240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Disconnect from the RIAA.<br>- Do not provide them with money, directly or indirectly.<br>- Do not consume their products, legally or illegally.</p><p>As a bad faith actor, the RIAA must be exiled from our community.</p><p>Only consume music that can be purchased directly from the artists themselves.</p><p>Convince two others to do the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Disconnect from the RIAA.- Do not provide them with money , directly or indirectly.- Do not consume their products , legally or illegally.As a bad faith actor , the RIAA must be exiled from our community.Only consume music that can be purchased directly from the artists themselves.Convince two others to do the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Disconnect from the RIAA.- Do not provide them with money, directly or indirectly.- Do not consume their products, legally or illegally.As a bad faith actor, the RIAA must be exiled from our community.Only consume music that can be purchased directly from the artists themselves.Convince two others to do the same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28615477</id>
	<title>Re:End It</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246968240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Every person who bought a PS3 helped make this happen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Every person who bought a PS3 helped make this happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every person who bought a PS3 helped make this happen.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613513</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613743</id>
	<title>Me too, but</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246960200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm deeply concerned that the court is deeply concerned that the people are deeply concerned about this case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm deeply concerned that the court is deeply concerned that the people are deeply concerned about this case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm deeply concerned that the court is deeply concerned that the people are deeply concerned about this case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613383</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246958760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, we really don't.  But look, I see somebody has called you a shill already.   Welcome to the Club of the Speedily Accused.   We get together every year on Devil's Island in the Fall.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , we really do n't .
But look , I see somebody has called you a shill already .
Welcome to the Club of the Speedily Accused .
We get together every year on Devil 's Island in the Fall .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, we really don't.
But look, I see somebody has called you a shill already.
Welcome to the Club of the Speedily Accused.
We get together every year on Devil's Island in the Fall.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613243</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613943</id>
	<title>Piss</title>
	<author>nausea\_malvarma</author>
	<datestamp>1246961040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ass Cock Shit</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ass Cock Shit</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ass Cock Shit</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28618053</id>
	<title>Slam them with email ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246989960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>USDC-BostonWebmaster@mad.uscourts.gov</p><p>Clerk of the court: maryellen\_molloy@mad.uscourts.gov</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>USDC-BostonWebmaster @ mad.uscourts.govClerk of the court : maryellen \ _molloy @ mad.uscourts.gov</tokentext>
<sentencetext>USDC-BostonWebmaster@mad.uscourts.govClerk of the court: maryellen\_molloy@mad.uscourts.gov</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28616817</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>palegray.net</author>
	<datestamp>1246978320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well played, sir, well played. I think I'll try to get ahold of the court transcripts and record myself reading them aloud, then release them into the public domain.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well played , sir , well played .
I think I 'll try to get ahold of the court transcripts and record myself reading them aloud , then release them into the public domain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well played, sir, well played.
I think I'll try to get ahold of the court transcripts and record myself reading them aloud, then release them into the public domain.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613281</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613831</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246960560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If slashdot wants to make me an editor, I'd be happy to help them out with that.</p></div></blockquote><p>You know, you might want to be here for more than a couple of months before you start telling the editors how to do their jobs.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If slashdot wants to make me an editor , I 'd be happy to help them out with that.You know , you might want to be here for more than a couple of months before you start telling the editors how to do their jobs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If slashdot wants to make me an editor, I'd be happy to help them out with that.You know, you might want to be here for more than a couple of months before you start telling the editors how to do their jobs.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613403</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28627657</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247044320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The better question is: do we really need the RIAA???</p></div><p>We? We never did, the recording industry (believed it) did.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Their irrelevant business model is built on artificial scarcity</p></div><p>Business model? Here I was thinking that the RIAA is an association, not a business... Am I mistaken?<br>(note: I am not claiming they don't <b>act</b> as if they're a business, I'm just saying they ain't.)</p><p><div class="quote"><p>They need and deserve to fail.</p></div><p>Do they? Why? I don't like 'em, but, you know, watch a few episodes of Jerry Springer reruns and I'll feel the same way.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>This is of course not easy, since they can go to court and refer to laws and acts that <i>they themselves</i> either wrote or lobbied for!</p></div><p>You know, I am not intricately familiar with the trappings of the US law creation process, but I'd venture a guess that you could do similar. Sure, you don't have the lobbying power (aka deep pockets) to get the attention of those in charge. Here's an idea: start an Association! Gather your fellows around, and make your voice heard! It works for others, for example, euh... euh.... euuh... can't think of any successful lobbying association right now.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The better question is : do we really need the RIAA ? ? ? We ?
We never did , the recording industry ( believed it ) did.Their irrelevant business model is built on artificial scarcityBusiness model ?
Here I was thinking that the RIAA is an association , not a business... Am I mistaken ?
( note : I am not claiming they do n't act as if they 're a business , I 'm just saying they ai n't .
) They need and deserve to fail.Do they ?
Why ? I do n't like 'em , but , you know , watch a few episodes of Jerry Springer reruns and I 'll feel the same way.This is of course not easy , since they can go to court and refer to laws and acts that they themselves either wrote or lobbied for ! You know , I am not intricately familiar with the trappings of the US law creation process , but I 'd venture a guess that you could do similar .
Sure , you do n't have the lobbying power ( aka deep pockets ) to get the attention of those in charge .
Here 's an idea : start an Association !
Gather your fellows around , and make your voice heard !
It works for others , for example , euh... euh.... euuh... ca n't think of any successful lobbying association right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The better question is: do we really need the RIAA???We?
We never did, the recording industry (believed it) did.Their irrelevant business model is built on artificial scarcityBusiness model?
Here I was thinking that the RIAA is an association, not a business... Am I mistaken?
(note: I am not claiming they don't act as if they're a business, I'm just saying they ain't.
)They need and deserve to fail.Do they?
Why? I don't like 'em, but, you know, watch a few episodes of Jerry Springer reruns and I'll feel the same way.This is of course not easy, since they can go to court and refer to laws and acts that they themselves either wrote or lobbied for!You know, I am not intricately familiar with the trappings of the US law creation process, but I'd venture a guess that you could do similar.
Sure, you don't have the lobbying power (aka deep pockets) to get the attention of those in charge.
Here's an idea: start an Association!
Gather your fellows around, and make your voice heard!
It works for others, for example, euh... euh.... euuh... can't think of any successful lobbying association right now.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613617</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28621545</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1247065440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The major record labels need the RIAA. The question is, do we need the major record labels?</p><p>In years past it cost a tremendous amount of money to record, a tremendous amount of money to manufacture, and a tremendous amount of money to market the records. I met a fellow in late 1974 or early 1975 named Dwayne Mahoney; I was stationed with his girlfriend's brother, and we went down to SF for a visit (Joe didn't have a car). Dwayne had played his guitar for a record producer, who'd told him that if he cut a demo he'd be famous (the producer was right, but Dwayne had to change his name). It cost him $200 to record a single song. That was back when gasoline and milk was about fifty cents a gallon.</p><p>A few years back I hung around with local musicians here in Springfield (see the old K5 Paxil Diaries), and there are several recording studios in this small city alone. It only costs $5,000 to record and have a few thousand CDs professionally duplicated. At $5 per CD the band was making money selling them at their shows.</p><p>The artists no longer need the record companies, meaning nobody does.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The major record labels need the RIAA .
The question is , do we need the major record labels ? In years past it cost a tremendous amount of money to record , a tremendous amount of money to manufacture , and a tremendous amount of money to market the records .
I met a fellow in late 1974 or early 1975 named Dwayne Mahoney ; I was stationed with his girlfriend 's brother , and we went down to SF for a visit ( Joe did n't have a car ) .
Dwayne had played his guitar for a record producer , who 'd told him that if he cut a demo he 'd be famous ( the producer was right , but Dwayne had to change his name ) .
It cost him $ 200 to record a single song .
That was back when gasoline and milk was about fifty cents a gallon.A few years back I hung around with local musicians here in Springfield ( see the old K5 Paxil Diaries ) , and there are several recording studios in this small city alone .
It only costs $ 5,000 to record and have a few thousand CDs professionally duplicated .
At $ 5 per CD the band was making money selling them at their shows.The artists no longer need the record companies , meaning nobody does .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The major record labels need the RIAA.
The question is, do we need the major record labels?In years past it cost a tremendous amount of money to record, a tremendous amount of money to manufacture, and a tremendous amount of money to market the records.
I met a fellow in late 1974 or early 1975 named Dwayne Mahoney; I was stationed with his girlfriend's brother, and we went down to SF for a visit (Joe didn't have a car).
Dwayne had played his guitar for a record producer, who'd told him that if he cut a demo he'd be famous (the producer was right, but Dwayne had to change his name).
It cost him $200 to record a single song.
That was back when gasoline and milk was about fifty cents a gallon.A few years back I hung around with local musicians here in Springfield (see the old K5 Paxil Diaries), and there are several recording studios in this small city alone.
It only costs $5,000 to record and have a few thousand CDs professionally duplicated.
At $5 per CD the band was making money selling them at their shows.The artists no longer need the record companies, meaning nobody does.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28614767</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>johnsonav</author>
	<datestamp>1246964340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The one right that should be explicitly denied to them is participation in the political process (particularly lobbying and campaign donations).</p></div><p>You do realize that the only way the lower- and middle-classes get a say in our political process is because of these "evil" corporations, right? Without the ability to pool their limited funds toward a common goal, no one would be able to lobby the government, save the rich. Organizations like the AARP, NRA, NAACP, etc. are not diabolical "special interests". They're common people who have gotten together to make their voices heard.</p><p>Without those corporations, only the people with individual wealth would be in that position.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The one right that should be explicitly denied to them is participation in the political process ( particularly lobbying and campaign donations ) .You do realize that the only way the lower- and middle-classes get a say in our political process is because of these " evil " corporations , right ?
Without the ability to pool their limited funds toward a common goal , no one would be able to lobby the government , save the rich .
Organizations like the AARP , NRA , NAACP , etc .
are not diabolical " special interests " .
They 're common people who have gotten together to make their voices heard.Without those corporations , only the people with individual wealth would be in that position .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The one right that should be explicitly denied to them is participation in the political process (particularly lobbying and campaign donations).You do realize that the only way the lower- and middle-classes get a say in our political process is because of these "evil" corporations, right?
Without the ability to pool their limited funds toward a common goal, no one would be able to lobby the government, save the rich.
Organizations like the AARP, NRA, NAACP, etc.
are not diabolical "special interests".
They're common people who have gotten together to make their voices heard.Without those corporations, only the people with individual wealth would be in that position.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613817</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28614743</id>
	<title>I'm really curious ...</title>
	<author>ScrewMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1246964220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ray, can you provide any insight into what Professor Nesson is trying to accomplish? On the face of it, he seems to be shooting himself in both feet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ray , can you provide any insight into what Professor Nesson is trying to accomplish ?
On the face of it , he seems to be shooting himself in both feet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ray, can you provide any insight into what Professor Nesson is trying to accomplish?
On the face of it, he seems to be shooting himself in both feet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28614033</id>
	<title>Caroling DDoS the Courts</title>
	<author>ground.zero.612</author>
	<datestamp>1246961340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've seen some news regarding some lawsuits over ringtones being "a public performance." I wonder what would happen if we printed off 1000 copies of the RIAA's Top 10 Billboard Chart songs and gathered around the courthouse each break to sing these copyrighted songs publicly.
<br> <br>
DDoS the judicial system by doing public performances of all these copyrighted songs. There's no fucking way the courts could keep up with even 100 of these new cases a day...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen some news regarding some lawsuits over ringtones being " a public performance .
" I wonder what would happen if we printed off 1000 copies of the RIAA 's Top 10 Billboard Chart songs and gathered around the courthouse each break to sing these copyrighted songs publicly .
DDoS the judicial system by doing public performances of all these copyrighted songs .
There 's no fucking way the courts could keep up with even 100 of these new cases a day.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen some news regarding some lawsuits over ringtones being "a public performance.
" I wonder what would happen if we printed off 1000 copies of the RIAA's Top 10 Billboard Chart songs and gathered around the courthouse each break to sing these copyrighted songs publicly.
DDoS the judicial system by doing public performances of all these copyrighted songs.
There's no fucking way the courts could keep up with even 100 of these new cases a day...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28617169</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>hedwards</author>
	<datestamp>1246982040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, because only an idiot would still be eating bread. The appropriate action would wait until there's a method in place to demonstrate the safety then tell people it's safe.<br> <br>

Saying it's poisoned over and over again tends to have a diminishing effect on people's interest.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , because only an idiot would still be eating bread .
The appropriate action would wait until there 's a method in place to demonstrate the safety then tell people it 's safe .
Saying it 's poisoned over and over again tends to have a diminishing effect on people 's interest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, because only an idiot would still be eating bread.
The appropriate action would wait until there's a method in place to demonstrate the safety then tell people it's safe.
Saying it's poisoned over and over again tends to have a diminishing effect on people's interest.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613999</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246961220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I see somebody has called you a shill already.</p></div></blockquote><p>The person who called whiledo (1515553) a "shill" after his first comment on this thread did accuse him too quickly.</p><p>However, his subsequent posts, and his many courageous statements in previous threads asserting support for the RIAA, MPAA, DRM and a broad interpretation of the rights of secondary intellectual property owners, do bolster the accusation, and indicate a shill-like nature, if not outright shill-dom.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I see somebody has called you a shill already.The person who called whiledo ( 1515553 ) a " shill " after his first comment on this thread did accuse him too quickly.However , his subsequent posts , and his many courageous statements in previous threads asserting support for the RIAA , MPAA , DRM and a broad interpretation of the rights of secondary intellectual property owners , do bolster the accusation , and indicate a shill-like nature , if not outright shill-dom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see somebody has called you a shill already.The person who called whiledo (1515553) a "shill" after his first comment on this thread did accuse him too quickly.However, his subsequent posts, and his many courageous statements in previous threads asserting support for the RIAA, MPAA, DRM and a broad interpretation of the rights of secondary intellectual property owners, do bolster the accusation, and indicate a shill-like nature, if not outright shill-dom.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28619003</id>
	<title>Re:End It</title>
	<author>bkpark</author>
	<datestamp>1247044740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Only consume music that can be purchased directly from the artists themselves.</p></div><p>Well, if you are going to say that, at least provide a few places where you can either buy music from artists directly or donate to them directly.</p><p>At the moment, I mostly get my music from <a href="http://www.jamendo.com/" title="jamendo.com" rel="nofollow">Jamendo</a> [jamendo.com], and I guess before that, I used to buy music from <a href="http://www.magnatune.com/" title="magnatune.com" rel="nofollow">Magnatune</a> [magnatune.com], but I'm sure there are other good places as well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Only consume music that can be purchased directly from the artists themselves.Well , if you are going to say that , at least provide a few places where you can either buy music from artists directly or donate to them directly.At the moment , I mostly get my music from Jamendo [ jamendo.com ] , and I guess before that , I used to buy music from Magnatune [ magnatune.com ] , but I 'm sure there are other good places as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only consume music that can be purchased directly from the artists themselves.Well, if you are going to say that, at least provide a few places where you can either buy music from artists directly or donate to them directly.At the moment, I mostly get my music from Jamendo [jamendo.com], and I guess before that, I used to buy music from Magnatune [magnatune.com], but I'm sure there are other good places as well.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613513</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28615653</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1246969320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And there are no individually wealthy people at the top of the RIAA, right? No people who are running the show while also running a facade that this is about the common people who want their voices heard?</htmltext>
<tokenext>And there are no individually wealthy people at the top of the RIAA , right ?
No people who are running the show while also running a facade that this is about the common people who want their voices heard ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And there are no individually wealthy people at the top of the RIAA, right?
No people who are running the show while also running a facade that this is about the common people who want their voices heard?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28614767</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28615699</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>Lumpy</author>
	<datestamp>1246969560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The better question is: do we really need the RIAA???</i></p><p>no. no we dont.   there is not a single artist that has been helped in any way by the RIAA over the past 15 years.  the RIAA used to be a place to find recording standards and good information.   They got infiltrated with bean counters and lawyers and honestly are useless to everyone.</p><p>the RIAA is not needed.  in fact the world would be better without them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The better question is : do we really need the RIAA ? ? ? no .
no we dont .
there is not a single artist that has been helped in any way by the RIAA over the past 15 years .
the RIAA used to be a place to find recording standards and good information .
They got infiltrated with bean counters and lawyers and honestly are useless to everyone.the RIAA is not needed .
in fact the world would be better without them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The better question is: do we really need the RIAA???no.
no we dont.
there is not a single artist that has been helped in any way by the RIAA over the past 15 years.
the RIAA used to be a place to find recording standards and good information.
They got infiltrated with bean counters and lawyers and honestly are useless to everyone.the RIAA is not needed.
in fact the world would be better without them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613617</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28614383</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>Kingrames</author>
	<datestamp>1246962660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If someone keeps poisoning the bread, should we stop telling everyone that the bread is poisoned, because it's boring news?</htmltext>
<tokenext>If someone keeps poisoning the bread , should we stop telling everyone that the bread is poisoned , because it 's boring news ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If someone keeps poisoning the bread, should we stop telling everyone that the bread is poisoned, because it's boring news?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613703</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28615811</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>moz25</author>
	<datestamp>1246970340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What makes their business model irrelevant is that the advancements in technology makes them redundant middlemen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What makes their business model irrelevant is that the advancements in technology makes them redundant middlemen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What makes their business model irrelevant is that the advancements in technology makes them redundant middlemen.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28614283</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28618673</id>
	<title>Re:Caroling DDoS the Courts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247083860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not really. If I was walking down the street and I heard a copyrighted song being used as a ring tone, I'd have a civil obligation to report it. NOT reporting it would be civil disobedience.</p><p>(U.S.) Citizens have a legal obligation to report criminal activity (which is what the RIAA has been trying to establish these past few years.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not really .
If I was walking down the street and I heard a copyrighted song being used as a ring tone , I 'd have a civil obligation to report it .
NOT reporting it would be civil disobedience. ( U.S .
) Citizens have a legal obligation to report criminal activity ( which is what the RIAA has been trying to establish these past few years .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not really.
If I was walking down the street and I heard a copyrighted song being used as a ring tone, I'd have a civil obligation to report it.
NOT reporting it would be civil disobedience.(U.S.
) Citizens have a legal obligation to report criminal activity (which is what the RIAA has been trying to establish these past few years.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28614527</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613403</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246958820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Do we really need so many status updates on the day-to-day goings-on in all the RIAA trials and scandals</p></div><p>Yes.</p></div><p>No.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>What have you submitted lately?</p></div><p>Didn't you read what I read?  There are already plenty of interesting submissions.  The problem is in the <i>selection</i> of the submissions.  If slashdot wants to make me an editor, I'd be happy to help them out with that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do we really need so many status updates on the day-to-day goings-on in all the RIAA trials and scandalsYes.No.What have you submitted lately ? Did n't you read what I read ?
There are already plenty of interesting submissions .
The problem is in the selection of the submissions .
If slashdot wants to make me an editor , I 'd be happy to help them out with that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do we really need so many status updates on the day-to-day goings-on in all the RIAA trials and scandalsYes.No.What have you submitted lately?Didn't you read what I read?
There are already plenty of interesting submissions.
The problem is in the selection of the submissions.
If slashdot wants to make me an editor, I'd be happy to help them out with that.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613281</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28614041</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>PopeRatzo</author>
	<datestamp>1246961400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The better question is: do we really need the RIAA???</p></div></blockquote><p>An even better question is: do we really need copyright?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The better question is : do we really need the RIAA ? ?
? An even better question is : do we really need copyright ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The better question is: do we really need the RIAA??
?An even better question is: do we really need copyright?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613617</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28614691</id>
	<title>Shooting yourself in the foot</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1246964040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The Judge indicated that she was 'deeply concerned' about Prof. Nesson's apparent 'blatant disregard' of her order."</i> </p><p>The many woes of the geek in court:</p><p>1 The lawyer who tells him what only what he wants to hear.</p><p>2 The pro bono lawyer with an axe to grind:<br>"You too can become a poster child for the EFF!"</p><p>3 The law professor who thinks he would have made a hotshot trial attorney.</p><p>4 The defendant who also thinks he would have made a hotshot trial attorney.</p><p>5 The lawyer with an unholy gift for pissing off a judge.</p><p>6 The defendant who takes the stand.<br>Only a geek could unleash  such a steaming pile of shit - and never catch a whiff of it. "Tar and feathers ain't good enough for him, boys!"</p><p>7 The lawyer who ups the stakes each time he loses a round. The defendant who comes along for the ride.</p><p>The Supreme Court accepts perhaps 150 cases a year for oral argument. You just might make the cut.<br>
&nbsp; You might also be the big winner in the tri-state lotto.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Judge indicated that she was 'deeply concerned ' about Prof. Nesson 's apparent 'blatant disregard ' of her order .
" The many woes of the geek in court : 1 The lawyer who tells him what only what he wants to hear.2 The pro bono lawyer with an axe to grind : " You too can become a poster child for the EFF !
" 3 The law professor who thinks he would have made a hotshot trial attorney.4 The defendant who also thinks he would have made a hotshot trial attorney.5 The lawyer with an unholy gift for pissing off a judge.6 The defendant who takes the stand.Only a geek could unleash such a steaming pile of shit - and never catch a whiff of it .
" Tar and feathers ai n't good enough for him , boys !
" 7 The lawyer who ups the stakes each time he loses a round .
The defendant who comes along for the ride.The Supreme Court accepts perhaps 150 cases a year for oral argument .
You just might make the cut .
  You might also be the big winner in the tri-state lotto .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Judge indicated that she was 'deeply concerned' about Prof. Nesson's apparent 'blatant disregard' of her order.
" The many woes of the geek in court:1 The lawyer who tells him what only what he wants to hear.2 The pro bono lawyer with an axe to grind:"You too can become a poster child for the EFF!
"3 The law professor who thinks he would have made a hotshot trial attorney.4 The defendant who also thinks he would have made a hotshot trial attorney.5 The lawyer with an unholy gift for pissing off a judge.6 The defendant who takes the stand.Only a geek could unleash  such a steaming pile of shit - and never catch a whiff of it.
"Tar and feathers ain't good enough for him, boys!
"7 The lawyer who ups the stakes each time he loses a round.
The defendant who comes along for the ride.The Supreme Court accepts perhaps 150 cases a year for oral argument.
You just might make the cut.
  You might also be the big winner in the tri-state lotto.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28616639</id>
	<title>Harvard lawyers</title>
	<author>saihung</author>
	<datestamp>1246976940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The lesson here is that if you want massive law review articles, the kind of people who use the word "modality" in every sentence, then go to Harvard.  If you want a LAWYER, go to a law school and not a a place with its head in the clouds.  I suspect the defendant would've been better off with a professor from Suffolk...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The lesson here is that if you want massive law review articles , the kind of people who use the word " modality " in every sentence , then go to Harvard .
If you want a LAWYER , go to a law school and not a a place with its head in the clouds .
I suspect the defendant would 've been better off with a professor from Suffolk.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The lesson here is that if you want massive law review articles, the kind of people who use the word "modality" in every sentence, then go to Harvard.
If you want a LAWYER, go to a law school and not a a place with its head in the clouds.
I suspect the defendant would've been better off with a professor from Suffolk...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613703</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246960020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do you really need to be a baker to tell that a loaf of bread is stale?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you really need to be a baker to tell that a loaf of bread is stale ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you really need to be a baker to tell that a loaf of bread is stale?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613281</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28614607</id>
	<title>'Cause I wanted to.</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1246963620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's enough for any professor.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's enough for any professor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's enough for any professor.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28618695</id>
	<title>Re:End It</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247084100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I usually use http://www.riaaradar.com/ to check if the label is in the RIAA before buying a CD/music. If it's sold by an RIAA member, my money goes to another artist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I usually use http : //www.riaaradar.com/ to check if the label is in the RIAA before buying a CD/music .
If it 's sold by an RIAA member , my money goes to another artist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I usually use http://www.riaaradar.com/ to check if the label is in the RIAA before buying a CD/music.
If it's sold by an RIAA member, my money goes to another artist.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613513</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28614283</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246962240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Their irrelevant business model"</p><p>What is so irrelevant about actually expecting people to pay for the product that they produce?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Their irrelevant business model " What is so irrelevant about actually expecting people to pay for the product that they produce ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Their irrelevant business model"What is so irrelevant about actually expecting people to pay for the product that they produce?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613617</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28616355</id>
	<title>Like a torrent?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246974600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I wonder what would happen if we printed off 1000 copies of the RIAA's Top 10 Billboard Chart songs and gathered around the courthouse each break to sing these copyrighted songs publicly.</p></div></blockquote><p>What you propose is more or less what torrents do, we are making thousands of copies of whatever music and films the people are interested in.</p><p>If the media companies are interested in doing business, let them come forward and offer good quality copies in convenient formats at reasonable prices. As long as they insist on maintaining their old and tired business models, they'll keep failing.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder what would happen if we printed off 1000 copies of the RIAA 's Top 10 Billboard Chart songs and gathered around the courthouse each break to sing these copyrighted songs publicly.What you propose is more or less what torrents do , we are making thousands of copies of whatever music and films the people are interested in.If the media companies are interested in doing business , let them come forward and offer good quality copies in convenient formats at reasonable prices .
As long as they insist on maintaining their old and tired business models , they 'll keep failing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder what would happen if we printed off 1000 copies of the RIAA's Top 10 Billboard Chart songs and gathered around the courthouse each break to sing these copyrighted songs publicly.What you propose is more or less what torrents do, we are making thousands of copies of whatever music and films the people are interested in.If the media companies are interested in doing business, let them come forward and offer good quality copies in convenient formats at reasonable prices.
As long as they insist on maintaining their old and tired business models, they'll keep failing.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28614033</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28625251</id>
	<title>Just a (stupid) question...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247078520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...but would this only affect uploaders or those who downloaded the file(s) in question as well?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...but would this only affect uploaders or those who downloaded the file ( s ) in question as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...but would this only affect uploaders or those who downloaded the file(s) in question as well?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28615319</id>
	<title>What an idiot!</title>
	<author>Locke2005</author>
	<datestamp>1246967340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This guy doesn't have enough sense to anonymously leak the recordings to the web so he can't be sanctioned for them, and he has the nerve to call himself a professor? Dude, put it up on Bittorent, not your own website!</htmltext>
<tokenext>This guy does n't have enough sense to anonymously leak the recordings to the web so he ca n't be sanctioned for them , and he has the nerve to call himself a professor ?
Dude , put it up on Bittorent , not your own website !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This guy doesn't have enough sense to anonymously leak the recordings to the web so he can't be sanctioned for them, and he has the nerve to call himself a professor?
Dude, put it up on Bittorent, not your own website!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613243</id>
	<title>Too much detail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246958280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do we really need <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/06/28/196227/RIAA-Defendant-Moves-For-Summary-Judgment?art\_pos=60" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">so</a> [slashdot.org] <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/07/06/2034213/RIAA-Seeks-Web-Removal-of-Courtroom-Audio?art\_pos=24" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">many</a> [slashdot.org] <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/07/07/049252/Jammie-Thomas-Moves-To-Strike-RIAA-192M-Verdict?art\_pos=16" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">status</a> [slashdot.org] <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/story/09/07/07/1933219/Prof-Nesson-Ordered-To-Show-Cause" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">updates</a> [slashdot.org] on the day-to-day goings-on in all the RIAA trials and scandals.  Isn't this why NYCL has a <a href="http://recordingindustryvspeople.blogspot.com/" title="blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">blog?</a> [blogspot.com]  The posting of this minutae is actually making me care <b>less</b> about fighting the RIAA.  Considering how much I dislike them, that's a pity.</p><p>I don't blame NYCL (and others) for submitting them (hey, most people are pretty narrowly focused on their own hobbies), but surely the editors can find something else in the pile of submissions that would be even slightly more interesting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do we really need so [ slashdot.org ] many [ slashdot.org ] status [ slashdot.org ] updates [ slashdot.org ] on the day-to-day goings-on in all the RIAA trials and scandals .
Is n't this why NYCL has a blog ?
[ blogspot.com ] The posting of this minutae is actually making me care less about fighting the RIAA .
Considering how much I dislike them , that 's a pity.I do n't blame NYCL ( and others ) for submitting them ( hey , most people are pretty narrowly focused on their own hobbies ) , but surely the editors can find something else in the pile of submissions that would be even slightly more interesting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do we really need so [slashdot.org] many [slashdot.org] status [slashdot.org] updates [slashdot.org] on the day-to-day goings-on in all the RIAA trials and scandals.
Isn't this why NYCL has a blog?
[blogspot.com]  The posting of this minutae is actually making me care less about fighting the RIAA.
Considering how much I dislike them, that's a pity.I don't blame NYCL (and others) for submitting them (hey, most people are pretty narrowly focused on their own hobbies), but surely the editors can find something else in the pile of submissions that would be even slightly more interesting.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28616381</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>geekoid</author>
	<datestamp>1246974720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, but you need to be a baker to tell if the bread is barely stale.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , but you need to be a baker to tell if the bread is barely stale .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, but you need to be a baker to tell if the bread is barely stale.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613703</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28631961</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>f16c</author>
	<datestamp>1247070240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They produce nothing. If the money that I paid for the CD actually went to the artist I'd really have to buy more CDs (for my wife as, with a cochlear implant I don't hear music any more) and feel right about it. The "music industry" and the RIAA are making outrageous profits as a marketing company. That is all they know. The worst thing about it is they've lost their touch and are frantic to restore the social and creative relevance they had just a decade or so ago. The RIAA would rather bring in the lawyers than do what they used to be good at: selling culture. Those who were once the gods of cool are now yesterdays news.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They produce nothing .
If the money that I paid for the CD actually went to the artist I 'd really have to buy more CDs ( for my wife as , with a cochlear implant I do n't hear music any more ) and feel right about it .
The " music industry " and the RIAA are making outrageous profits as a marketing company .
That is all they know .
The worst thing about it is they 've lost their touch and are frantic to restore the social and creative relevance they had just a decade or so ago .
The RIAA would rather bring in the lawyers than do what they used to be good at : selling culture .
Those who were once the gods of cool are now yesterdays news .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They produce nothing.
If the money that I paid for the CD actually went to the artist I'd really have to buy more CDs (for my wife as, with a cochlear implant I don't hear music any more) and feel right about it.
The "music industry" and the RIAA are making outrageous profits as a marketing company.
That is all they know.
The worst thing about it is they've lost their touch and are frantic to restore the social and creative relevance they had just a decade or so ago.
The RIAA would rather bring in the lawyers than do what they used to be good at: selling culture.
Those who were once the gods of cool are now yesterdays news.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28614763</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>bennomatic</author>
	<datestamp>1246964340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Now you're just being shilly.  OK, that was bad, even for a pun, but I couldn't resist.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now you 're just being shilly .
OK , that was bad , even for a pun , but I could n't resist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now you're just being shilly.
OK, that was bad, even for a pun, but I couldn't resist.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613531</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246959360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>You can submit your own stories via your journal. No need to make you official around here. You seem kind of bitter anyways.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You can submit your own stories via your journal .
No need to make you official around here .
You seem kind of bitter anyways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can submit your own stories via your journal.
No need to make you official around here.
You seem kind of bitter anyways.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28624501</id>
	<title>Re:Simple</title>
	<author>DragonTHC</author>
	<datestamp>1247076000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>agreed.  I don't think a judge should be able to gag a civil proceeding unless that judge can show cause it will affect the outcome drastically.</p><p>Nesson is a Harvard law professor, I think he knows a thing or two about law the judge should learn.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>agreed .
I do n't think a judge should be able to gag a civil proceeding unless that judge can show cause it will affect the outcome drastically.Nesson is a Harvard law professor , I think he knows a thing or two about law the judge should learn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>agreed.
I don't think a judge should be able to gag a civil proceeding unless that judge can show cause it will affect the outcome drastically.Nesson is a Harvard law professor, I think he knows a thing or two about law the judge should learn.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28621425</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>saleenS281</author>
	<datestamp>1247064900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or we should just ban lobbying entirely, and set a very small limit on individual campaign donations.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or we should just ban lobbying entirely , and set a very small limit on individual campaign donations .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or we should just ban lobbying entirely, and set a very small limit on individual campaign donations.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28614349</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>notarockstar1979</author>
	<datestamp>1246962540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can you put that in the form of a car analogy?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can you put that in the form of a car analogy ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can you put that in the form of a car analogy?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613925</id>
	<title>Re:End It</title>
	<author>Asclepius99</author>
	<datestamp>1246960920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Didn't the Radiohead Experiment teach us that most people don't care about cost or RIAA business tactics?  They just want stuff for free.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Did n't the Radiohead Experiment teach us that most people do n't care about cost or RIAA business tactics ?
They just want stuff for free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Didn't the Radiohead Experiment teach us that most people don't care about cost or RIAA business tactics?
They just want stuff for free.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28615663</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>X0563511</author>
	<datestamp>1246969320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interesting how being a shill and realizing the other side may have it's points, is the same thing to many people.</p><p>It's not always an "US OR THEM!" situation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting how being a shill and realizing the other side may have it 's points , is the same thing to many people.It 's not always an " US OR THEM !
" situation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting how being a shill and realizing the other side may have it's points, is the same thing to many people.It's not always an "US OR THEM!
" situation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28620803</id>
	<title>Simple</title>
	<author>kenp2002</author>
	<datestamp>1247062860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The public should have a right to view the proceedings of the court. As risk of judicial bias, due to party affiliation and political contributions; in addition to the high profile nature of the case, the additional access and disclousure is necessary to secure the confidence of the population at large.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The public should have a right to view the proceedings of the court .
As risk of judicial bias , due to party affiliation and political contributions ; in addition to the high profile nature of the case , the additional access and disclousure is necessary to secure the confidence of the population at large .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The public should have a right to view the proceedings of the court.
As risk of judicial bias, due to party affiliation and political contributions; in addition to the high profile nature of the case, the additional access and disclousure is necessary to secure the confidence of the population at large.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613617</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>moz25</author>
	<datestamp>1246959720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The better question is: do we really need the RIAA???</p><p>Their irrelevant business model is built on artificial scarcity that could only work in a time where information carriers and distribution were the bottlenecks. Now with the internet and ridiculously large storage devices, this bottleneck has been eliminated entirely. So much in fact, that everyone can carry tens of thousands of songs - entire genres - in their pocket.</p><p>They need and deserve to fail. This is of course not easy, since they can go to court and refer to laws and acts that <i>they themselves</i> either wrote or lobbied for!</p><p>It is a very important fight and one that needs to be won. I say: give us all the information there is!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The better question is : do we really need the RIAA ? ?
? Their irrelevant business model is built on artificial scarcity that could only work in a time where information carriers and distribution were the bottlenecks .
Now with the internet and ridiculously large storage devices , this bottleneck has been eliminated entirely .
So much in fact , that everyone can carry tens of thousands of songs - entire genres - in their pocket.They need and deserve to fail .
This is of course not easy , since they can go to court and refer to laws and acts that they themselves either wrote or lobbied for ! It is a very important fight and one that needs to be won .
I say : give us all the information there is !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The better question is: do we really need the RIAA??
?Their irrelevant business model is built on artificial scarcity that could only work in a time where information carriers and distribution were the bottlenecks.
Now with the internet and ridiculously large storage devices, this bottleneck has been eliminated entirely.
So much in fact, that everyone can carry tens of thousands of songs - entire genres - in their pocket.They need and deserve to fail.
This is of course not easy, since they can go to court and refer to laws and acts that they themselves either wrote or lobbied for!It is a very important fight and one that needs to be won.
I say: give us all the information there is!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28616965</id>
	<title>RIAA = ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246980000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The RIAA is a front for:</p><ul>
<li>Warner Music Group</li><li>Universal Music Group</li><li>Sony Music Entertainment</li><li>EMI</li><li>and about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_RIAA\_member\_labels" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">1600 smaller corporations</a> [wikipedia.org] </li></ul><p>In the interests of honesty, we should quit using the term RIAA and refer to the group as "Warner, Universal, Sony, EMI, and others." Or perhaps WUSE (rhymes with "wussy?"). Spend your money as you will. Convince 2 others to do the same.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The RIAA is a front for : Warner Music GroupUniversal Music GroupSony Music EntertainmentEMIand about 1600 smaller corporations [ wikipedia.org ] In the interests of honesty , we should quit using the term RIAA and refer to the group as " Warner , Universal , Sony , EMI , and others .
" Or perhaps WUSE ( rhymes with " wussy ? " ) .
Spend your money as you will .
Convince 2 others to do the same .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The RIAA is a front for:
Warner Music GroupUniversal Music GroupSony Music EntertainmentEMIand about 1600 smaller corporations [wikipedia.org] In the interests of honesty, we should quit using the term RIAA and refer to the group as "Warner, Universal, Sony, EMI, and others.
" Or perhaps WUSE (rhymes with "wussy?").
Spend your money as you will.
Convince 2 others to do the same.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28614785</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>Ethanol-fueled</author>
	<datestamp>1246964400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The problem is in the selection of the submissions.</p></div><p>I like the submissions and I have no problem with frequent status updates with regard to YRO type-stuff. <br> <br>

That said, I notice that many of the chosen submitters are known Slashdot <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sycophant" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">toadies.</a> [wikipedia.org] I think there may be an affirmative-action type thing going on where, if a toady and a non-toady submit the same article and the non-toady's summary is slightly better, the toadie's submission will usually be accepted.<br> <br>

Also keep in mind that some users may or may not have personal and/or special relationships with one or more of the editors. Anyway, no point in whining about it. It's their forum and they can post whatever the hell they want. If it hurts you that badly then become a professional troll out of protest. Reading your posts, though, I don't think you have what it takes<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is in the selection of the submissions.I like the submissions and I have no problem with frequent status updates with regard to YRO type-stuff .
That said , I notice that many of the chosen submitters are known Slashdot toadies .
[ wikipedia.org ] I think there may be an affirmative-action type thing going on where , if a toady and a non-toady submit the same article and the non-toady 's summary is slightly better , the toadie 's submission will usually be accepted .
Also keep in mind that some users may or may not have personal and/or special relationships with one or more of the editors .
Anyway , no point in whining about it .
It 's their forum and they can post whatever the hell they want .
If it hurts you that badly then become a professional troll out of protest .
Reading your posts , though , I do n't think you have what it takes ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is in the selection of the submissions.I like the submissions and I have no problem with frequent status updates with regard to YRO type-stuff.
That said, I notice that many of the chosen submitters are known Slashdot toadies.
[wikipedia.org] I think there may be an affirmative-action type thing going on where, if a toady and a non-toady submit the same article and the non-toady's summary is slightly better, the toadie's submission will usually be accepted.
Also keep in mind that some users may or may not have personal and/or special relationships with one or more of the editors.
Anyway, no point in whining about it.
It's their forum and they can post whatever the hell they want.
If it hurts you that badly then become a professional troll out of protest.
Reading your posts, though, I don't think you have what it takes ;)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613817</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>causality</author>
	<datestamp>1246960500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>This is of course not easy, since they can go to court and refer to laws and acts that they themselves either wrote or lobbied for!</p></div></blockquote><p>
The way I see things, that one is the actual problem.  If they did not have so much undue influence over the political process they very well may have been forced to adapt to the Information Age already.  Even if that isn't true at all, I would still say it's a much bigger and more serious problem that our politicians are doing a better job of representing monied interests like the RIAA/MPAA than they are of representing the people.
<br> <br>
I think the biggest single mistake we made was to give corporations all of the rights of a real person.  The one right that should be explicitly denied to them is participation in the political process (particularly lobbying and campaign donations).  That should be against the law, with the penalty being the revocation of their corporate charter, the public auctioning of all assets, and the proceeds returning to the shareholders.  If they participate in politics by means of front groups, that should be against the same law with the addition of criminal fraud charges, personally applicable to any members of management who helped to arrange it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is of course not easy , since they can go to court and refer to laws and acts that they themselves either wrote or lobbied for !
The way I see things , that one is the actual problem .
If they did not have so much undue influence over the political process they very well may have been forced to adapt to the Information Age already .
Even if that is n't true at all , I would still say it 's a much bigger and more serious problem that our politicians are doing a better job of representing monied interests like the RIAA/MPAA than they are of representing the people .
I think the biggest single mistake we made was to give corporations all of the rights of a real person .
The one right that should be explicitly denied to them is participation in the political process ( particularly lobbying and campaign donations ) .
That should be against the law , with the penalty being the revocation of their corporate charter , the public auctioning of all assets , and the proceeds returning to the shareholders .
If they participate in politics by means of front groups , that should be against the same law with the addition of criminal fraud charges , personally applicable to any members of management who helped to arrange it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is of course not easy, since they can go to court and refer to laws and acts that they themselves either wrote or lobbied for!
The way I see things, that one is the actual problem.
If they did not have so much undue influence over the political process they very well may have been forced to adapt to the Information Age already.
Even if that isn't true at all, I would still say it's a much bigger and more serious problem that our politicians are doing a better job of representing monied interests like the RIAA/MPAA than they are of representing the people.
I think the biggest single mistake we made was to give corporations all of the rights of a real person.
The one right that should be explicitly denied to them is participation in the political process (particularly lobbying and campaign donations).
That should be against the law, with the penalty being the revocation of their corporate charter, the public auctioning of all assets, and the proceeds returning to the shareholders.
If they participate in politics by means of front groups, that should be against the same law with the addition of criminal fraud charges, personally applicable to any members of management who helped to arrange it.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28614353</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>Artuir</author>
	<datestamp>1246962540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You don't even need to be a musician to make music nowadays!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You do n't even need to be a musician to make music nowadays !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You don't even need to be a musician to make music nowadays!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28618227</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246992180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Corporations <i>cannot</i> make donations. Individuals make them, and then, they are limited to $25,000. It's also illegal to donate in somebody else's name, though whether this is actually thoroughly audited is beyond me. There are ways around it--a company bonus with the person's promise to donate most of that bonus to a certain politician--but that's not really necessary. There are a lot of wealthy people out there, all with the certain unified interest of staying wealthy and becoming even wealthier. In order to maintain their wealth, they know they must manipulate the political process.</p><p>It's not actually manipulation per se. Being heard by many representatives is necessary to get things done in the system. So these wealthy individuals donate the maximum $25,000 to every politician running, in both parties. They make these donations to get the politician's ear. For the ones they really like, they set up fundraisers where they'll call their wealthy friends who have the same interests, and get their friends to donate $25,000.</p><p>The other way of getting heard is to build up a critical mass. If there's enough public response, then no amount of money is going to persuade a politician otherwise. However, that public response has to exist. It has to be <b>loud.</b> And quite frankly, the weighted (with money) number of people interested in strengthening intellectual property dwarfs the weighted number of people interested in weakening intellectual property significantly. What this means is that for those of us who have little or no money, our voice has to be even louder. For us non-wealthy people, campaign contributions isn't enough to get a politician's ear. Campaign contributions and a handwritten letter, however, will help. Rallies and protests will help.</p><p>But who here is going to do that? We'd rather sit in our computer chairs in front of our monitors and lament through our keyboards on the state of the union on Slashdot. Because, you know, protests, rallies, heck, even mailing out a handwritten letter would require us to get up off our asses and <i>go outside.</i></p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Corporations can not make donations .
Individuals make them , and then , they are limited to $ 25,000 .
It 's also illegal to donate in somebody else 's name , though whether this is actually thoroughly audited is beyond me .
There are ways around it--a company bonus with the person 's promise to donate most of that bonus to a certain politician--but that 's not really necessary .
There are a lot of wealthy people out there , all with the certain unified interest of staying wealthy and becoming even wealthier .
In order to maintain their wealth , they know they must manipulate the political process.It 's not actually manipulation per se .
Being heard by many representatives is necessary to get things done in the system .
So these wealthy individuals donate the maximum $ 25,000 to every politician running , in both parties .
They make these donations to get the politician 's ear .
For the ones they really like , they set up fundraisers where they 'll call their wealthy friends who have the same interests , and get their friends to donate $ 25,000.The other way of getting heard is to build up a critical mass .
If there 's enough public response , then no amount of money is going to persuade a politician otherwise .
However , that public response has to exist .
It has to be loud .
And quite frankly , the weighted ( with money ) number of people interested in strengthening intellectual property dwarfs the weighted number of people interested in weakening intellectual property significantly .
What this means is that for those of us who have little or no money , our voice has to be even louder .
For us non-wealthy people , campaign contributions is n't enough to get a politician 's ear .
Campaign contributions and a handwritten letter , however , will help .
Rallies and protests will help.But who here is going to do that ?
We 'd rather sit in our computer chairs in front of our monitors and lament through our keyboards on the state of the union on Slashdot .
Because , you know , protests , rallies , heck , even mailing out a handwritten letter would require us to get up off our asses and go outside .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Corporations cannot make donations.
Individuals make them, and then, they are limited to $25,000.
It's also illegal to donate in somebody else's name, though whether this is actually thoroughly audited is beyond me.
There are ways around it--a company bonus with the person's promise to donate most of that bonus to a certain politician--but that's not really necessary.
There are a lot of wealthy people out there, all with the certain unified interest of staying wealthy and becoming even wealthier.
In order to maintain their wealth, they know they must manipulate the political process.It's not actually manipulation per se.
Being heard by many representatives is necessary to get things done in the system.
So these wealthy individuals donate the maximum $25,000 to every politician running, in both parties.
They make these donations to get the politician's ear.
For the ones they really like, they set up fundraisers where they'll call their wealthy friends who have the same interests, and get their friends to donate $25,000.The other way of getting heard is to build up a critical mass.
If there's enough public response, then no amount of money is going to persuade a politician otherwise.
However, that public response has to exist.
It has to be loud.
And quite frankly, the weighted (with money) number of people interested in strengthening intellectual property dwarfs the weighted number of people interested in weakening intellectual property significantly.
What this means is that for those of us who have little or no money, our voice has to be even louder.
For us non-wealthy people, campaign contributions isn't enough to get a politician's ear.
Campaign contributions and a handwritten letter, however, will help.
Rallies and protests will help.But who here is going to do that?
We'd rather sit in our computer chairs in front of our monitors and lament through our keyboards on the state of the union on Slashdot.
Because, you know, protests, rallies, heck, even mailing out a handwritten letter would require us to get up off our asses and go outside.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613651</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>tuxedobob</author>
	<datestamp>1246959840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So... Firehose? I know it's a new feature and all, but still.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So... Firehose ? I know it 's a new feature and all , but still .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So... Firehose? I know it's a new feature and all, but still.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28614267</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246962180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>his many courageous statements in previous threads asserting support for the RIAA, MPAA, DRM and a broad interpretation of the rights of secondary intellectual property owners</p></div><p> <b>[citation needed]</b><br>Seriously.  Post some links rather than just making accusations.  This should be fun.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>his many courageous statements in previous threads asserting support for the RIAA , MPAA , DRM and a broad interpretation of the rights of secondary intellectual property owners [ citation needed ] Seriously .
Post some links rather than just making accusations .
This should be fun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>his many courageous statements in previous threads asserting support for the RIAA, MPAA, DRM and a broad interpretation of the rights of secondary intellectual property owners [citation needed]Seriously.
Post some links rather than just making accusations.
This should be fun.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28621633</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1247065860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I would still say it's a much bigger and more serious problem that our politicians are doing a better job of representing monied interests like the RIAA/MPAA than they are of representing the people. </i></p><p>And so long as you can "donate" to both major party candidates in any election regardless of whether you are eligible to vote for them, that's the way it will stay. It seems to me to be an intractable problem; people with power aren't going to give it up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would still say it 's a much bigger and more serious problem that our politicians are doing a better job of representing monied interests like the RIAA/MPAA than they are of representing the people .
And so long as you can " donate " to both major party candidates in any election regardless of whether you are eligible to vote for them , that 's the way it will stay .
It seems to me to be an intractable problem ; people with power are n't going to give it up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would still say it's a much bigger and more serious problem that our politicians are doing a better job of representing monied interests like the RIAA/MPAA than they are of representing the people.
And so long as you can "donate" to both major party candidates in any election regardless of whether you are eligible to vote for them, that's the way it will stay.
It seems to me to be an intractable problem; people with power aren't going to give it up.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28616565</id>
	<title>Re:End It</title>
	<author>Jarik\_Tentsu</author>
	<datestamp>1246976400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except that I doubt enough people will do this to become effective. So essentially, you'll be losing the ability to obtain certain music for naught. In fact, the RIAA will probably argue those loss in sales are from piracy, instead of people boycotting them - and probably up the ante in their lawsuits.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that I doubt enough people will do this to become effective .
So essentially , you 'll be losing the ability to obtain certain music for naught .
In fact , the RIAA will probably argue those loss in sales are from piracy , instead of people boycotting them - and probably up the ante in their lawsuits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that I doubt enough people will do this to become effective.
So essentially, you'll be losing the ability to obtain certain music for naught.
In fact, the RIAA will probably argue those loss in sales are from piracy, instead of people boycotting them - and probably up the ante in their lawsuits.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28615509</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246968360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why submit?   If you're not in love with Ponca City, it ain't gonna be posted......</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why submit ?
If you 're not in love with Ponca City , it ai n't gon na be posted..... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why submit?
If you're not in love with Ponca City, it ain't gonna be posted......</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28633073</id>
	<title>I love their logic</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247169960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.riaa.com/physicalpiracy.php" title="riaa.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.riaa.com/physicalpiracy.php</a> [riaa.com]</p><p>Quite a laugh, have a read.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.riaa.com/physicalpiracy.php [ riaa.com ] Quite a laugh , have a read .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.riaa.com/physicalpiracy.php [riaa.com]Quite a laugh, have a read.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28618851</id>
	<title>Re:What an idiot!</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1247085780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Consider; This man is willing to put his name to the disobedient act because he believes the law against it is wrong, and is willing to pay the price for that belief in order to get the reasoning behind his action heard, and presedent set. Right or wrong, I admire his audacity.<br> <br>When did you last put your neck on the line for justice?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Consider ; This man is willing to put his name to the disobedient act because he believes the law against it is wrong , and is willing to pay the price for that belief in order to get the reasoning behind his action heard , and presedent set .
Right or wrong , I admire his audacity .
When did you last put your neck on the line for justice ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Consider; This man is willing to put his name to the disobedient act because he believes the law against it is wrong, and is willing to pay the price for that belief in order to get the reasoning behind his action heard, and presedent set.
Right or wrong, I admire his audacity.
When did you last put your neck on the line for justice?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28614527</id>
	<title>Re:Caroling DDoS the Courts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246963260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've seen some news regarding some lawsuits over ringtones being "a public performance." I wonder what would happen if we printed off 1000 copies of the RIAA's Top 10 Billboard Chart songs and gathered around the courthouse each break to sing these copyrighted songs publicly.



DDoS the judicial system by doing public performances of all these copyrighted songs. There's no fucking way the courts could keep up with even 100 of these new cases a day...</p></div><p>What you're advocating there is civil disobedience.  That's very much in line with both Henry David Thoreau and Mahatma Ghandi and how they handled injustice.  There is one thing however, that must be kept in mind:  both of those men fully expected to be prosecuted and were prepared to pay that price.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen some news regarding some lawsuits over ringtones being " a public performance .
" I wonder what would happen if we printed off 1000 copies of the RIAA 's Top 10 Billboard Chart songs and gathered around the courthouse each break to sing these copyrighted songs publicly .
DDoS the judicial system by doing public performances of all these copyrighted songs .
There 's no fucking way the courts could keep up with even 100 of these new cases a day...What you 're advocating there is civil disobedience .
That 's very much in line with both Henry David Thoreau and Mahatma Ghandi and how they handled injustice .
There is one thing however , that must be kept in mind : both of those men fully expected to be prosecuted and were prepared to pay that price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen some news regarding some lawsuits over ringtones being "a public performance.
" I wonder what would happen if we printed off 1000 copies of the RIAA's Top 10 Billboard Chart songs and gathered around the courthouse each break to sing these copyrighted songs publicly.
DDoS the judicial system by doing public performances of all these copyrighted songs.
There's no fucking way the courts could keep up with even 100 of these new cases a day...What you're advocating there is civil disobedience.
That's very much in line with both Henry David Thoreau and Mahatma Ghandi and how they handled injustice.
There is one thing however, that must be kept in mind:  both of those men fully expected to be prosecuted and were prepared to pay that price.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28617711</id>
	<title>RE: Uh -- Oh! -- Palin Ethics Lurking About</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246986720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Looks like Sarah-Of-Alaska, just when she announcened quiting<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... offed at taxpayer-Alaska expense on a fishing trip - with brood in tow -- only to turn up -- to sign a "fate accompli" bill -- so she gets to charge Alaska's tax payers full per diem for she and all her brood -- boarding and food -- in her little "a-hole" -- "gone fish'n" explaiation of he mental melt-down.</p><p>She did repeat her current behavior in her past -- four universities -- one BS.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Looks like Sarah-Of-Alaska , just when she announcened quiting ... offed at taxpayer-Alaska expense on a fishing trip - with brood in tow -- only to turn up -- to sign a " fate accompli " bill -- so she gets to charge Alaska 's tax payers full per diem for she and all her brood -- boarding and food -- in her little " a-hole " -- " gone fish'n " explaiation of he mental melt-down.She did repeat her current behavior in her past -- four universities -- one BS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Looks like Sarah-Of-Alaska, just when she announcened quiting ... offed at taxpayer-Alaska expense on a fishing trip - with brood in tow -- only to turn up -- to sign a "fate accompli" bill -- so she gets to charge Alaska's tax payers full per diem for she and all her brood -- boarding and food -- in her little "a-hole" -- "gone fish'n" explaiation of he mental melt-down.She did repeat her current behavior in her past -- four universities -- one BS.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613281</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246958460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Do we really need so many status updates on the day-to-day goings-on in all the RIAA trials and scandals</i></p><p>Yes.</p><p><i>surely the editors can find something else in the pile of submissions that would be even slightly more interesting.</i></p><p>What have you submitted lately?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do we really need so many status updates on the day-to-day goings-on in all the RIAA trials and scandalsYes.surely the editors can find something else in the pile of submissions that would be even slightly more interesting.What have you submitted lately ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do we really need so many status updates on the day-to-day goings-on in all the RIAA trials and scandalsYes.surely the editors can find something else in the pile of submissions that would be even slightly more interesting.What have you submitted lately?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28618355</id>
	<title>Snort.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246993740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>&gt; What you're advocating there is civil disobedience. That's very much in line with both Henry David Thoreau and Mahatma Ghandi and how they handled injustice. There is one thing however, that must be kept in mind: both of those men fully expected to be prosecuted and were prepared to pay that price.</i></p><p>Ghandi, yes.  Thoreau?  No way in hell.  Thoreau's wonderful and his essay on Civil Disobedience is one of the best in history, the formation of the movement, and the writing that influenced Gandi and King.  But the man's portrayal of himself as a sort of hero-martyr was silly.  He spent <i>one night</i> in jail (for refusing to pay his taxes) and wrote a wonderful essay.  It's probably the most productive night in jail anyone's ever had, and Oscar Wilde's <i>De Profundis</i> is the only other great jailhouse writing I can think of.</p><p>But the next morning Thoreau was bailed out by Emerson.</p><p>Similarly, his "Walden Pond" stories are beautiful and worth reading, but he didn't just randomly walk into the mountains and borrow an axe--he squatted on land belonging to Emerson.  And it took place over two years, not one.</p><p>Thoreau handled injustice by writing about it.  It was some of the most effective writing in modern world history, but his civil disobedience didn't rise anywhere near to the level of Gandhi.  (Or King.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; What you 're advocating there is civil disobedience .
That 's very much in line with both Henry David Thoreau and Mahatma Ghandi and how they handled injustice .
There is one thing however , that must be kept in mind : both of those men fully expected to be prosecuted and were prepared to pay that price.Ghandi , yes .
Thoreau ? No way in hell .
Thoreau 's wonderful and his essay on Civil Disobedience is one of the best in history , the formation of the movement , and the writing that influenced Gandi and King .
But the man 's portrayal of himself as a sort of hero-martyr was silly .
He spent one night in jail ( for refusing to pay his taxes ) and wrote a wonderful essay .
It 's probably the most productive night in jail anyone 's ever had , and Oscar Wilde 's De Profundis is the only other great jailhouse writing I can think of.But the next morning Thoreau was bailed out by Emerson.Similarly , his " Walden Pond " stories are beautiful and worth reading , but he did n't just randomly walk into the mountains and borrow an axe--he squatted on land belonging to Emerson .
And it took place over two years , not one.Thoreau handled injustice by writing about it .
It was some of the most effective writing in modern world history , but his civil disobedience did n't rise anywhere near to the level of Gandhi .
( Or King .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; What you're advocating there is civil disobedience.
That's very much in line with both Henry David Thoreau and Mahatma Ghandi and how they handled injustice.
There is one thing however, that must be kept in mind: both of those men fully expected to be prosecuted and were prepared to pay that price.Ghandi, yes.
Thoreau?  No way in hell.
Thoreau's wonderful and his essay on Civil Disobedience is one of the best in history, the formation of the movement, and the writing that influenced Gandi and King.
But the man's portrayal of himself as a sort of hero-martyr was silly.
He spent one night in jail (for refusing to pay his taxes) and wrote a wonderful essay.
It's probably the most productive night in jail anyone's ever had, and Oscar Wilde's De Profundis is the only other great jailhouse writing I can think of.But the next morning Thoreau was bailed out by Emerson.Similarly, his "Walden Pond" stories are beautiful and worth reading, but he didn't just randomly walk into the mountains and borrow an axe--he squatted on land belonging to Emerson.
And it took place over two years, not one.Thoreau handled injustice by writing about it.
It was some of the most effective writing in modern world history, but his civil disobedience didn't rise anywhere near to the level of Gandhi.
(Or King.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28616423</id>
	<title>Re:Caroling DDoS the Courts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246975140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And both had marvelous singing voices.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And both had marvelous singing voices .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And both had marvelous singing voices.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613735</id>
	<title>Re:Too much detail</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246960140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If slashdot wants to make me an editor, I'd be happy to help them out with that.</p></div><p>Your uid is too high.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If slashdot wants to make me an editor , I 'd be happy to help them out with that.Your uid is too high .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If slashdot wants to make me an editor, I'd be happy to help them out with that.Your uid is too high.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_07_1933219.28613501</id>
	<title>Eccentricities will get you no where</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246959240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These professors (this one and the city of heroes professor) are bypassing rules to basically focus on the x,y, or z.  There are rules for engaging 2 or more people, societies and most definitely the judicial systems.  Trying to focus on the abstract with out playing by the rules gets you kicked out of the game.  It's no real loss when you get kicked out of an MMO by the player base you can move on. </p><p>However, when you mess up a court case you start setting precedents, and screwing a lot more people than yourself and your client.  Pissing off a judge which this Prof. has done before is not going to bode well.  Maybe he should stick to academia.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These professors ( this one and the city of heroes professor ) are bypassing rules to basically focus on the x,y , or z. There are rules for engaging 2 or more people , societies and most definitely the judicial systems .
Trying to focus on the abstract with out playing by the rules gets you kicked out of the game .
It 's no real loss when you get kicked out of an MMO by the player base you can move on .
However , when you mess up a court case you start setting precedents , and screwing a lot more people than yourself and your client .
Pissing off a judge which this Prof. has done before is not going to bode well .
Maybe he should stick to academia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These professors (this one and the city of heroes professor) are bypassing rules to basically focus on the x,y, or z.  There are rules for engaging 2 or more people, societies and most definitely the judicial systems.
Trying to focus on the abstract with out playing by the rules gets you kicked out of the game.
It's no real loss when you get kicked out of an MMO by the player base you can move on.
However, when you mess up a court case you start setting precedents, and screwing a lot more people than yourself and your client.
Pissing off a judge which this Prof. has done before is not going to bode well.
Maybe he should stick to academia.</sentencetext>
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