<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_05_2112245</id>
	<title>iPhone 3GS Finally Hacked</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1246799460000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Well, the inevitable <a href="http://www.pcworld.com/article/167846/iphone\_3gs\_gets\_jailbroken\_hack\_available\_online.html">hacking of Apple's latest flavor of iPhone</a> has happened.  Named "purplera1n," the tool will only allow installation of unauthorized applications instead of a full unlock.  <i>"The purplera1n jailbreak will free your iPhone from the limitations imposed on it by AT&amp;T and Apple. After jailbreaking, a user will be able to customize the iPhone with home-screen wallpapers and third-party ringtones. But the biggest advantage of jailbreaking is the support of unapproved apps such as iBlackList (blacklists and whitelists for contacts) and many others."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , the inevitable hacking of Apple 's latest flavor of iPhone has happened .
Named " purplera1n , " the tool will only allow installation of unauthorized applications instead of a full unlock .
" The purplera1n jailbreak will free your iPhone from the limitations imposed on it by AT&amp;T and Apple .
After jailbreaking , a user will be able to customize the iPhone with home-screen wallpapers and third-party ringtones .
But the biggest advantage of jailbreaking is the support of unapproved apps such as iBlackList ( blacklists and whitelists for contacts ) and many others .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, the inevitable hacking of Apple's latest flavor of iPhone has happened.
Named "purplera1n," the tool will only allow installation of unauthorized applications instead of a full unlock.
"The purplera1n jailbreak will free your iPhone from the limitations imposed on it by AT&amp;T and Apple.
After jailbreaking, a user will be able to customize the iPhone with home-screen wallpapers and third-party ringtones.
But the biggest advantage of jailbreaking is the support of unapproved apps such as iBlackList (blacklists and whitelists for contacts) and many others.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590903</id>
	<title>Wondering what is jailbreak is...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246815240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just thought bit different<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-) -- see, Darwin has a very big portion of code from a FreeBSD and now Darwin went on iPhone. Obviously, jails are inherited from either FreeBSD or similar, though I am not sure (citation needed). Meaning... is these jails in iPhone has been so screwed up by Apple that can be easily broken, or it is just FreeBSD's code for jails that sucks?</p><p>Anyone knows here some details?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just thought bit different : - ) -- see , Darwin has a very big portion of code from a FreeBSD and now Darwin went on iPhone .
Obviously , jails are inherited from either FreeBSD or similar , though I am not sure ( citation needed ) .
Meaning... is these jails in iPhone has been so screwed up by Apple that can be easily broken , or it is just FreeBSD 's code for jails that sucks ? Anyone knows here some details ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just thought bit different :-) -- see, Darwin has a very big portion of code from a FreeBSD and now Darwin went on iPhone.
Obviously, jails are inherited from either FreeBSD or similar, though I am not sure (citation needed).
Meaning... is these jails in iPhone has been so screwed up by Apple that can be easily broken, or it is just FreeBSD's code for jails that sucks?Anyone knows here some details?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28591729</id>
	<title>Re:why doing this?</title>
	<author>Flaming Cowpie</author>
	<datestamp>1246910520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why is Apple evil for making the iPhone? Is it because they don't give it away to the people with a copy of Kafka? No one is putting a pistol to your head (though that might not be a bad idea, in some examples) and making you buy anything. If they choose to make an app store and the hardware to play with it - isn't it their IP to do with as they please? You either agree and use it or you don't. Just because they don't do things as you would have them do, does not make them evil - they just aren't doing what you want.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is Apple evil for making the iPhone ?
Is it because they do n't give it away to the people with a copy of Kafka ?
No one is putting a pistol to your head ( though that might not be a bad idea , in some examples ) and making you buy anything .
If they choose to make an app store and the hardware to play with it - is n't it their IP to do with as they please ?
You either agree and use it or you do n't .
Just because they do n't do things as you would have them do , does not make them evil - they just are n't doing what you want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is Apple evil for making the iPhone?
Is it because they don't give it away to the people with a copy of Kafka?
No one is putting a pistol to your head (though that might not be a bad idea, in some examples) and making you buy anything.
If they choose to make an app store and the hardware to play with it - isn't it their IP to do with as they please?
You either agree and use it or you don't.
Just because they don't do things as you would have them do, does not make them evil - they just aren't doing what you want.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590673</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590189</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>SoupIsGoodFood\_42</author>
	<datestamp>1246806360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because maybe they seem to be the only people who can make a decent convergence device?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because maybe they seem to be the only people who can make a decent convergence device ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because maybe they seem to be the only people who can make a decent convergence device?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590011</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28592003</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1246871700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Because most of us iPhone users are willing to trade "device freedom" for "device just works for the last person that sent you an sms of for your cell phone provider."</p></div><p>There, fixed that for you.</p><p>Also, you know, that Benjamin Franklin quote about deserving a little bit of freedom: It is true for this too.</p><p>How about using your brain? It would help with having more complex things than toys for four year olds "just working".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because most of us iPhone users are willing to trade " device freedom " for " device just works for the last person that sent you an sms of for your cell phone provider .
" There , fixed that for you.Also , you know , that Benjamin Franklin quote about deserving a little bit of freedom : It is true for this too.How about using your brain ?
It would help with having more complex things than toys for four year olds " just working " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because most of us iPhone users are willing to trade "device freedom" for "device just works for the last person that sent you an sms of for your cell phone provider.
"There, fixed that for you.Also, you know, that Benjamin Franklin quote about deserving a little bit of freedom: It is true for this too.How about using your brain?
It would help with having more complex things than toys for four year olds "just working".
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590229</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590215</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246806600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because even with that restriction, the iphone is still a zillion times more useful than my old phone.</p><p>Sure, I can only choose from Apple-authorized apps, but seeing as there's tens of thousands of those apps, chances are I can find at least one app (or more likely a few to choose from) for pretty much anything I want to do. For most practical purposes, it really doesn't make a difference to me, seeing as I don't really care from any philosophical or ideological angle.</p><p>And if I ever have the need, jail-breaking my phone will always be an option.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because even with that restriction , the iphone is still a zillion times more useful than my old phone.Sure , I can only choose from Apple-authorized apps , but seeing as there 's tens of thousands of those apps , chances are I can find at least one app ( or more likely a few to choose from ) for pretty much anything I want to do .
For most practical purposes , it really does n't make a difference to me , seeing as I do n't really care from any philosophical or ideological angle.And if I ever have the need , jail-breaking my phone will always be an option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because even with that restriction, the iphone is still a zillion times more useful than my old phone.Sure, I can only choose from Apple-authorized apps, but seeing as there's tens of thousands of those apps, chances are I can find at least one app (or more likely a few to choose from) for pretty much anything I want to do.
For most practical purposes, it really doesn't make a difference to me, seeing as I don't really care from any philosophical or ideological angle.And if I ever have the need, jail-breaking my phone will always be an option.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590011</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590241</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>christurkel</author>
	<datestamp>1246806840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some people prefer it this way, a closed, carefully managed ecosystem. Some of us don't. I would guess the majority don't care and that regard, there is little incentive for Apple to change.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some people prefer it this way , a closed , carefully managed ecosystem .
Some of us do n't .
I would guess the majority do n't care and that regard , there is little incentive for Apple to change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some people prefer it this way, a closed, carefully managed ecosystem.
Some of us don't.
I would guess the majority don't care and that regard, there is little incentive for Apple to change.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590011</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28659783</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1247325780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>sure, the software is good, but, and here's the big contradiction:<br>It still has physical limitations, like it only having a 3mp camera - companies like Sony Ericsson are sporting 12mp cameras on their phones today.<br>Also, there is no way (still) of sharing video via mms, or doing video calling. No way of sharing ANYTHING AT ALL via bluetooth, and the grievous inability to set any audio file as a ringtone, which can be done on any other mobile phone under six years old.</p><p>So, hackers, why not try hacking something that is ACTUALLY WORTH HACKING?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>sure , the software is good , but , and here 's the big contradiction : It still has physical limitations , like it only having a 3mp camera - companies like Sony Ericsson are sporting 12mp cameras on their phones today.Also , there is no way ( still ) of sharing video via mms , or doing video calling .
No way of sharing ANYTHING AT ALL via bluetooth , and the grievous inability to set any audio file as a ringtone , which can be done on any other mobile phone under six years old.So , hackers , why not try hacking something that is ACTUALLY WORTH HACKING ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>sure, the software is good, but, and here's the big contradiction:It still has physical limitations, like it only having a 3mp camera - companies like Sony Ericsson are sporting 12mp cameras on their phones today.Also, there is no way (still) of sharing video via mms, or doing video calling.
No way of sharing ANYTHING AT ALL via bluetooth, and the grievous inability to set any audio file as a ringtone, which can be done on any other mobile phone under six years old.So, hackers, why not try hacking something that is ACTUALLY WORTH HACKING?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590215</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28595375</id>
	<title>E70</title>
	<author>weston</author>
	<datestamp>1246899720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a fan of the e70, and it's a nice phone, but other than bluetooth tethering and mobility across GSM providers, there's not much in terms of objective advantages to it vs the iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a fan of the e70 , and it 's a nice phone , but other than bluetooth tethering and mobility across GSM providers , there 's not much in terms of objective advantages to it vs the iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a fan of the e70, and it's a nice phone, but other than bluetooth tethering and mobility across GSM providers, there's not much in terms of objective advantages to it vs the iPhone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28591987</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28594719</id>
	<title>Finally?</title>
	<author>Stenchwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1246896600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe I'm being a dick here, but saying the 3Gs has <i>Finally</i> been hacked is a bit of an insult to the crackers that made it happen. I mean, the thing has been out a couple weeks and the fact that it took <i>Only</i> 2 weeks to accomplish is a pretty great thing.</p><p>When Apple released the 3.0 firmware, there was a lull in the QuickPwn software where they had not worked out some bugs and several people had to go without an unlocked/unjailbroken iPhone for a couple days. Reading the posts on the forums, I was very disappointed in the people that were demanding that the DevTeam hurry the hell up and make their phones work again. Instead of basking in the glory of iPhone freedom, they wanted to bitch and complain that things were moving too slowly and that they couldn't use their precious iPhones to Facebook or Tweet or whatever they needed to do. I can remember back in the day, sitting on BitchX and waiting for a crack-team to post the newest keygen for whatever the latest release of (game/software, etc...) and being patient about it because those guys were doing something I couldn't. They were providing a service that was completely free and that I had no right bitching at them about taking too long to add it to their servbots.</p><p>I'm too young to know if kids in past generations were this disrespectful to people that were doing favors for the community for free, but I'm too old to know if this is something that all young people do nowadays. Is this what happens when we make so many things quickly and easily accessible? I think kids today would do well to learn a little patience and develop an appreciation for how difficult some things in life can be, even if to them it's just a click away.</p><p>Now get off my lawn!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe I 'm being a dick here , but saying the 3Gs has Finally been hacked is a bit of an insult to the crackers that made it happen .
I mean , the thing has been out a couple weeks and the fact that it took Only 2 weeks to accomplish is a pretty great thing.When Apple released the 3.0 firmware , there was a lull in the QuickPwn software where they had not worked out some bugs and several people had to go without an unlocked/unjailbroken iPhone for a couple days .
Reading the posts on the forums , I was very disappointed in the people that were demanding that the DevTeam hurry the hell up and make their phones work again .
Instead of basking in the glory of iPhone freedom , they wanted to bitch and complain that things were moving too slowly and that they could n't use their precious iPhones to Facebook or Tweet or whatever they needed to do .
I can remember back in the day , sitting on BitchX and waiting for a crack-team to post the newest keygen for whatever the latest release of ( game/software , etc... ) and being patient about it because those guys were doing something I could n't .
They were providing a service that was completely free and that I had no right bitching at them about taking too long to add it to their servbots.I 'm too young to know if kids in past generations were this disrespectful to people that were doing favors for the community for free , but I 'm too old to know if this is something that all young people do nowadays .
Is this what happens when we make so many things quickly and easily accessible ?
I think kids today would do well to learn a little patience and develop an appreciation for how difficult some things in life can be , even if to them it 's just a click away.Now get off my lawn !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe I'm being a dick here, but saying the 3Gs has Finally been hacked is a bit of an insult to the crackers that made it happen.
I mean, the thing has been out a couple weeks and the fact that it took Only 2 weeks to accomplish is a pretty great thing.When Apple released the 3.0 firmware, there was a lull in the QuickPwn software where they had not worked out some bugs and several people had to go without an unlocked/unjailbroken iPhone for a couple days.
Reading the posts on the forums, I was very disappointed in the people that were demanding that the DevTeam hurry the hell up and make their phones work again.
Instead of basking in the glory of iPhone freedom, they wanted to bitch and complain that things were moving too slowly and that they couldn't use their precious iPhones to Facebook or Tweet or whatever they needed to do.
I can remember back in the day, sitting on BitchX and waiting for a crack-team to post the newest keygen for whatever the latest release of (game/software, etc...) and being patient about it because those guys were doing something I couldn't.
They were providing a service that was completely free and that I had no right bitching at them about taking too long to add it to their servbots.I'm too young to know if kids in past generations were this disrespectful to people that were doing favors for the community for free, but I'm too old to know if this is something that all young people do nowadays.
Is this what happens when we make so many things quickly and easily accessible?
I think kids today would do well to learn a little patience and develop an appreciation for how difficult some things in life can be, even if to them it's just a click away.Now get off my lawn!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28594147</id>
	<title>To Jailbreak or not to Jailbreak</title>
	<author>sxmjmae</author>
	<datestamp>1246893360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To Jailbreak or not to Jailbreak that is the question.</p><p>
Whether 'tis nobler in the iPod to suffer</p><p>
the incompatible and non-standard applications</p><p>
Or pay apple to ensure no troubles.</p><p>
To me it is simple...  Apple highly restrict software makes sure that for the average dough head their authorized software will work on there product.  Unauthorized software on a jailbroken device might not.  Look at all the hassle and flak that MS must take for trying to allow for every possible hardware configuration and crappy written software.
</p><p>
To me it is simple... if I download and install authorized apple software I trust it will work.  The alternative has failed to gain my trust yet.   When my device is old or I have a new one I will take significantly more risks with but that time has not come.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To Jailbreak or not to Jailbreak that is the question .
Whether 't is nobler in the iPod to suffer the incompatible and non-standard applications Or pay apple to ensure no troubles .
To me it is simple... Apple highly restrict software makes sure that for the average dough head their authorized software will work on there product .
Unauthorized software on a jailbroken device might not .
Look at all the hassle and flak that MS must take for trying to allow for every possible hardware configuration and crappy written software .
To me it is simple... if I download and install authorized apple software I trust it will work .
The alternative has failed to gain my trust yet .
When my device is old or I have a new one I will take significantly more risks with but that time has not come .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To Jailbreak or not to Jailbreak that is the question.
Whether 'tis nobler in the iPod to suffer
the incompatible and non-standard applications
Or pay apple to ensure no troubles.
To me it is simple...  Apple highly restrict software makes sure that for the average dough head their authorized software will work on there product.
Unauthorized software on a jailbroken device might not.
Look at all the hassle and flak that MS must take for trying to allow for every possible hardware configuration and crappy written software.
To me it is simple... if I download and install authorized apple software I trust it will work.
The alternative has failed to gain my trust yet.
When my device is old or I have a new one I will take significantly more risks with but that time has not come.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590011</id>
	<title>err, why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246804200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would anyone buy a device where someone *else* decides what apps you can run and what you cannot run?  You don't own such a device - someone else owns it, and is letting you use it only under conditions they decide.</p><p>I'm sure this will get modded down by iPhone fanboys, but I don't mean it as an anti-iPhone thing, more like an anti-any-device-where-the-mfg-regains-control-after-you-buy-it thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would anyone buy a device where someone * else * decides what apps you can run and what you can not run ?
You do n't own such a device - someone else owns it , and is letting you use it only under conditions they decide.I 'm sure this will get modded down by iPhone fanboys , but I do n't mean it as an anti-iPhone thing , more like an anti-any-device-where-the-mfg-regains-control-after-you-buy-it thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would anyone buy a device where someone *else* decides what apps you can run and what you cannot run?
You don't own such a device - someone else owns it, and is letting you use it only under conditions they decide.I'm sure this will get modded down by iPhone fanboys, but I don't mean it as an anti-iPhone thing, more like an anti-any-device-where-the-mfg-regains-control-after-you-buy-it thing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590175</id>
	<title>The 3GS Unlock is available</title>
	<author>Weedhopper</author>
	<datestamp>1246806060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The 3GS unlock &amp; jailbreak has been available since midnight last night.</p><p><a href="http://blog.iphone-dev.org/" title="iphone-dev.org">http://blog.iphone-dev.org/</a> [iphone-dev.org]</p><p>The usual culprits (the iPhone DevTeam) were waiting until the 3.1 release but it looks like their hand was forced by an independent hacker releasing his jailbreak on Friday.</p><p>There was a LOT of stuff you after jailbreaking (background apps, tether, etc) on the 1.x and 2.x OS releases but as Apple adds more features with each consecutive release, I'm finding the need to jailbreak a little less compelling.  I still will, b/c I find a terminal + SSH alone to be compelling but once tethering is official, I may just go back to an un-jailbroken state.  I still need the unlock, of course.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 3GS unlock &amp; jailbreak has been available since midnight last night.http : //blog.iphone-dev.org/ [ iphone-dev.org ] The usual culprits ( the iPhone DevTeam ) were waiting until the 3.1 release but it looks like their hand was forced by an independent hacker releasing his jailbreak on Friday.There was a LOT of stuff you after jailbreaking ( background apps , tether , etc ) on the 1.x and 2.x OS releases but as Apple adds more features with each consecutive release , I 'm finding the need to jailbreak a little less compelling .
I still will , b/c I find a terminal + SSH alone to be compelling but once tethering is official , I may just go back to an un-jailbroken state .
I still need the unlock , of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 3GS unlock &amp; jailbreak has been available since midnight last night.http://blog.iphone-dev.org/ [iphone-dev.org]The usual culprits (the iPhone DevTeam) were waiting until the 3.1 release but it looks like their hand was forced by an independent hacker releasing his jailbreak on Friday.There was a LOT of stuff you after jailbreaking (background apps, tether, etc) on the 1.x and 2.x OS releases but as Apple adds more features with each consecutive release, I'm finding the need to jailbreak a little less compelling.
I still will, b/c I find a terminal + SSH alone to be compelling but once tethering is official, I may just go back to an un-jailbroken state.
I still need the unlock, of course.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28591793</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246911840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can "getting work done" with a mobile phone?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can " getting work done " with a mobile phone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can "getting work done" with a mobile phone?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590233</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28592573</id>
	<title>WTF?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246880340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"be able to customize the iPhone with home-screen wallpapers"?! You're shitting me right? you have to break the OS to change the freaking wallpaper?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" be able to customize the iPhone with home-screen wallpapers " ? !
You 're shitting me right ?
you have to break the OS to change the freaking wallpaper ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"be able to customize the iPhone with home-screen wallpapers"?!
You're shitting me right?
you have to break the OS to change the freaking wallpaper?
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590197</id>
	<title>jailbreak justification</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246806360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>i have an iphone 3g.  i jailbroke as soon as i got it a few months ago because of some stupid restrictions.  if apple would remove these restrictions, then i'd have no reason to jailbreak.

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<br>
#1 - on a standard iphone, you can't change the incoming email alert sound... it is what it is.  that means, if you have 10 people in a room and they all have iphones, if anyone gets an email, then everyone will be checking their phones because none of that is customizable.
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#2 - on a standard iphone, you are limited to a handful of incoming sms alert sounds.... again, same thing as with email sounds.
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<br>
the only 2 jailbreak applications that i actually use are the 5 icon dock (with the dockflow theme) and cyntact (an app that allows me to see the pictures of my contacts while they are in the list as opposed to having to open the contact to see the picture).

<br> <br> <br>
if apple would alleviate the 2 restrictions about changing sounds, i could live without the 5 icon dock and cyntact.  i would have no reason to jailbreak.... and by alleviate, i don't mean to make me buy the sounds off of itunes like they try to make you do with ringtones, which you can get around that by importing m4r files.. 8)</htmltext>
<tokenext>i have an iphone 3g .
i jailbroke as soon as i got it a few months ago because of some stupid restrictions .
if apple would remove these restrictions , then i 'd have no reason to jailbreak .
# 1 - on a standard iphone , you ca n't change the incoming email alert sound... it is what it is .
that means , if you have 10 people in a room and they all have iphones , if anyone gets an email , then everyone will be checking their phones because none of that is customizable .
# 2 - on a standard iphone , you are limited to a handful of incoming sms alert sounds.... again , same thing as with email sounds .
the only 2 jailbreak applications that i actually use are the 5 icon dock ( with the dockflow theme ) and cyntact ( an app that allows me to see the pictures of my contacts while they are in the list as opposed to having to open the contact to see the picture ) .
if apple would alleviate the 2 restrictions about changing sounds , i could live without the 5 icon dock and cyntact .
i would have no reason to jailbreak.... and by alleviate , i do n't mean to make me buy the sounds off of itunes like they try to make you do with ringtones , which you can get around that by importing m4r files.. 8 )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i have an iphone 3g.
i jailbroke as soon as i got it a few months ago because of some stupid restrictions.
if apple would remove these restrictions, then i'd have no reason to jailbreak.
#1 - on a standard iphone, you can't change the incoming email alert sound... it is what it is.
that means, if you have 10 people in a room and they all have iphones, if anyone gets an email, then everyone will be checking their phones because none of that is customizable.
#2 - on a standard iphone, you are limited to a handful of incoming sms alert sounds.... again, same thing as with email sounds.
the only 2 jailbreak applications that i actually use are the 5 icon dock (with the dockflow theme) and cyntact (an app that allows me to see the pictures of my contacts while they are in the list as opposed to having to open the contact to see the picture).
if apple would alleviate the 2 restrictions about changing sounds, i could live without the 5 icon dock and cyntact.
i would have no reason to jailbreak.... and by alleviate, i don't mean to make me buy the sounds off of itunes like they try to make you do with ringtones, which you can get around that by importing m4r files.. 8)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590523</id>
	<title>astonishment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246810380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Daniel Ionescu must really be new to iphone tech reporting.</p><p>He made a number of errors in understanding of the topic:</p><p>1) "will not unlock the iPhone 3GS" and "The tool does not perform a carrier unlock"<br>False, it allows 3rd party apps including Ultrasn0w to be installed.  Ultrasn0w is the unlock program, which works perfectly fine on the 3GS.  So indirectly Purplera1n allows unlock by virtue of allowing the unlock software to be ran.</p><p>2) "and older models running the 3.0 software update."<br>False, it only works on 3GS as it is only useful to jailbreak the new protection only available on the 3GS.</p><p>3) "home-screen wallpapers and third-party ringtones"<br>False, neither require Jailbreaking.</p><p>4) "iPhone 3.1 software update (which would break any hacks the team has achieved)."<br>False, 3.1 did not currently break the hack.  It was fear that if released, Apple would patch it at the last second in the official 3.1 release.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Daniel Ionescu must really be new to iphone tech reporting.He made a number of errors in understanding of the topic : 1 ) " will not unlock the iPhone 3GS " and " The tool does not perform a carrier unlock " False , it allows 3rd party apps including Ultrasn0w to be installed .
Ultrasn0w is the unlock program , which works perfectly fine on the 3GS .
So indirectly Purplera1n allows unlock by virtue of allowing the unlock software to be ran.2 ) " and older models running the 3.0 software update .
" False , it only works on 3GS as it is only useful to jailbreak the new protection only available on the 3GS.3 ) " home-screen wallpapers and third-party ringtones " False , neither require Jailbreaking.4 ) " iPhone 3.1 software update ( which would break any hacks the team has achieved ) .
" False , 3.1 did not currently break the hack .
It was fear that if released , Apple would patch it at the last second in the official 3.1 release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Daniel Ionescu must really be new to iphone tech reporting.He made a number of errors in understanding of the topic:1) "will not unlock the iPhone 3GS" and "The tool does not perform a carrier unlock"False, it allows 3rd party apps including Ultrasn0w to be installed.
Ultrasn0w is the unlock program, which works perfectly fine on the 3GS.
So indirectly Purplera1n allows unlock by virtue of allowing the unlock software to be ran.2) "and older models running the 3.0 software update.
"False, it only works on 3GS as it is only useful to jailbreak the new protection only available on the 3GS.3) "home-screen wallpapers and third-party ringtones"False, neither require Jailbreaking.4) "iPhone 3.1 software update (which would break any hacks the team has achieved).
"False, 3.1 did not currently break the hack.
It was fear that if released, Apple would patch it at the last second in the official 3.1 release.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590753</id>
	<title>Re:Hey guys,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246813560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>He doesn't love you. He just got with you because he knew you'd figure out how to jailbreak his iPhone. Now that you've told him, he's going to dump you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>He does n't love you .
He just got with you because he knew you 'd figure out how to jailbreak his iPhone .
Now that you 've told him , he 's going to dump you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He doesn't love you.
He just got with you because he knew you'd figure out how to jailbreak his iPhone.
Now that you've told him, he's going to dump you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28589973</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28592611</id>
	<title>Re:The 3GS Unlock is available</title>
	<author>MeNeXT</author>
	<datestamp>1246880820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately that is a video of an unlock. They do not explain nor do they provide the software for a jailbreak. I understand their reasoning on why they are waiting.</p><p>The jail break is BETA. Meaning that some things may not work such as WinterBoard. Which crashes the phone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately that is a video of an unlock .
They do not explain nor do they provide the software for a jailbreak .
I understand their reasoning on why they are waiting.The jail break is BETA .
Meaning that some things may not work such as WinterBoard .
Which crashes the phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately that is a video of an unlock.
They do not explain nor do they provide the software for a jailbreak.
I understand their reasoning on why they are waiting.The jail break is BETA.
Meaning that some things may not work such as WinterBoard.
Which crashes the phone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590175</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590335</id>
	<title>Apple and it's ridiculous limitations..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246808220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have never bought an apple product. I have gotton the ipod 3g, ipod nano (video), and the ipod touch 2g. After I have received the ipod touch and found out that apple has removed the "use as disk" feature, I knew that this ipod will be the last one I keep. Of course I will stop this boycott once apple starts lifting its proprietary state of mind (yeah right).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have never bought an apple product .
I have gotton the ipod 3g , ipod nano ( video ) , and the ipod touch 2g .
After I have received the ipod touch and found out that apple has removed the " use as disk " feature , I knew that this ipod will be the last one I keep .
Of course I will stop this boycott once apple starts lifting its proprietary state of mind ( yeah right ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have never bought an apple product.
I have gotton the ipod 3g, ipod nano (video), and the ipod touch 2g.
After I have received the ipod touch and found out that apple has removed the "use as disk" feature, I knew that this ipod will be the last one I keep.
Of course I will stop this boycott once apple starts lifting its proprietary state of mind (yeah right).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590747</id>
	<title>Re:The 3GS Unlock is available</title>
	<author>jo42</author>
	<datestamp>1246813500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>(the iPhone DevTeam) were waiting until the 3.1 release</p></div><p>First they where waiting for 3.0 to RTM and a rumored new iPhone. When 3.0 went RTM and the 3GS shipped, then they where waiting for 3.1 to come out. How many quatloos do you want to wager that once 3.1 came out, they'd be waiting for 3.2 to come out, then 3.3, 3.4,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..., before releasing? Either poop or get off the pot.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>( the iPhone DevTeam ) were waiting until the 3.1 releaseFirst they where waiting for 3.0 to RTM and a rumored new iPhone .
When 3.0 went RTM and the 3GS shipped , then they where waiting for 3.1 to come out .
How many quatloos do you want to wager that once 3.1 came out , they 'd be waiting for 3.2 to come out , then 3.3 , 3.4 , ... , before releasing ?
Either poop or get off the pot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(the iPhone DevTeam) were waiting until the 3.1 releaseFirst they where waiting for 3.0 to RTM and a rumored new iPhone.
When 3.0 went RTM and the 3GS shipped, then they where waiting for 3.1 to come out.
How many quatloos do you want to wager that once 3.1 came out, they'd be waiting for 3.2 to come out, then 3.3, 3.4, ..., before releasing?
Either poop or get off the pot.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590175</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590393</id>
	<title>Why is this really news?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246808820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its only an iPhoney!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its only an iPhoney !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its only an iPhoney!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28593063</id>
	<title>openmoko</title>
	<author>mikewelter</author>
	<datestamp>1246886400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>the community desperately wanted an open phone, and thousands of openmoko neos and freerunners were purchased.  the problem was the  1 day battery life.  as well as  a few problems with the GSM radio.  the iphone is the next best device.</htmltext>
<tokenext>the community desperately wanted an open phone , and thousands of openmoko neos and freerunners were purchased .
the problem was the 1 day battery life .
as well as a few problems with the GSM radio .
the iphone is the next best device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the community desperately wanted an open phone, and thousands of openmoko neos and freerunners were purchased.
the problem was the  1 day battery life.
as well as  a few problems with the GSM radio.
the iphone is the next best device.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590233</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28591255</id>
	<title>iPhone pornography programs</title>
	<author>Gary W. Longsine</author>
	<datestamp>1246818480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, because you are interested in getting work done, not running porn programs <b> <i>other than Safari.</i> </b>
<br> <br>
There.  Fixed that for you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , because you are interested in getting work done , not running porn programs other than Safari .
There. Fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, because you are interested in getting work done, not running porn programs  other than Safari.
There.  Fixed that for you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590233</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590079</id>
	<title>Re:Hey guys,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246804920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You came to the right place! We know everything about womens needs around here! My advise to you is..</p><p>Get your boyfirend an iPhone!</p><p>If he had one of those all the bitches would love him - as would you, because an iPhone would make him get in touch with his feminine side. He would soon start wearing turtlenecks and treat bitches respectfully.</p><p>Yours truly,<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; Beavis.</p><p>PS. Preloading the iPhone with Celine Dion's greatest hits will score you extra points.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You came to the right place !
We know everything about womens needs around here !
My advise to you is..Get your boyfirend an iPhone ! If he had one of those all the bitches would love him - as would you , because an iPhone would make him get in touch with his feminine side .
He would soon start wearing turtlenecks and treat bitches respectfully.Yours truly ,     Beavis.PS .
Preloading the iPhone with Celine Dion 's greatest hits will score you extra points .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You came to the right place!
We know everything about womens needs around here!
My advise to you is..Get your boyfirend an iPhone!If he had one of those all the bitches would love him - as would you, because an iPhone would make him get in touch with his feminine side.
He would soon start wearing turtlenecks and treat bitches respectfully.Yours truly,
    Beavis.PS.
Preloading the iPhone with Celine Dion's greatest hits will score you extra points.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28589973</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28591223</id>
	<title>Re:Wow</title>
	<author>hofmny</author>
	<datestamp>1246818180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The hardware on the iPhone is one of the best as well. The G1 uses HTC handsets. HTC handsets will not let you get 30 hours of music out of your device like the iPhone does. I love the little touches. The iPhone has accelerometers, and great auto dimming features. Say, for example, you are on a call, and you need to press a phone key (like press 1 for English). Well, the screen automatically dimmed already so you you can't see anything. But as soon as you go to touch the screen, the backlight pops on! You can see your key and press it. What actually happens is the accelerometers sense your other hand move slightly BEFORE you go to press the button with the other hand, and it turns on the backlight. Very cool. When I first got the phone and I saw this I thought it was some sort of black magic. HTC (also used on Windows Mobiles devices like my XV6700) hardware just doesn't come close.
<br> <br>
I hope Android does get better and a good piece of hardware does come out to run it, because I am all about open systems (although Android isn't as open as Google likes you to think it is).</htmltext>
<tokenext>The hardware on the iPhone is one of the best as well .
The G1 uses HTC handsets .
HTC handsets will not let you get 30 hours of music out of your device like the iPhone does .
I love the little touches .
The iPhone has accelerometers , and great auto dimming features .
Say , for example , you are on a call , and you need to press a phone key ( like press 1 for English ) .
Well , the screen automatically dimmed already so you you ca n't see anything .
But as soon as you go to touch the screen , the backlight pops on !
You can see your key and press it .
What actually happens is the accelerometers sense your other hand move slightly BEFORE you go to press the button with the other hand , and it turns on the backlight .
Very cool .
When I first got the phone and I saw this I thought it was some sort of black magic .
HTC ( also used on Windows Mobiles devices like my XV6700 ) hardware just does n't come close .
I hope Android does get better and a good piece of hardware does come out to run it , because I am all about open systems ( although Android is n't as open as Google likes you to think it is ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The hardware on the iPhone is one of the best as well.
The G1 uses HTC handsets.
HTC handsets will not let you get 30 hours of music out of your device like the iPhone does.
I love the little touches.
The iPhone has accelerometers, and great auto dimming features.
Say, for example, you are on a call, and you need to press a phone key (like press 1 for English).
Well, the screen automatically dimmed already so you you can't see anything.
But as soon as you go to touch the screen, the backlight pops on!
You can see your key and press it.
What actually happens is the accelerometers sense your other hand move slightly BEFORE you go to press the button with the other hand, and it turns on the backlight.
Very cool.
When I first got the phone and I saw this I thought it was some sort of black magic.
HTC (also used on Windows Mobiles devices like my XV6700) hardware just doesn't come close.
I hope Android does get better and a good piece of hardware does come out to run it, because I am all about open systems (although Android isn't as open as Google likes you to think it is).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28591119</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28591377</id>
	<title>Re:The 3GS Unlock is available</title>
	<author>anethema</author>
	<datestamp>1246819740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually none of this is really true per se.</p><p>The dev team had already released that video to show that the unlock will work on the 3gs once they decided to release the jailbreak.</p><p>The unlock is the exact same code as works on the 3G. No modification as the baseband is the same.</p><p>They weren't forced to release anything by Geohot (the hacker you are talking about).</p><p>Also, tethering worked the minute you had 3.0 on your phone. Not sure what you are waiting for.If you dont have the option to tether, apply the proper IPCC file. No need to jailbreak. Instructions and IPCC files here: <a href="http://www.iphone-dev.ca/info/" title="iphone-dev.ca">http://www.iphone-dev.ca/info/</a> [iphone-dev.ca]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually none of this is really true per se.The dev team had already released that video to show that the unlock will work on the 3gs once they decided to release the jailbreak.The unlock is the exact same code as works on the 3G .
No modification as the baseband is the same.They were n't forced to release anything by Geohot ( the hacker you are talking about ) .Also , tethering worked the minute you had 3.0 on your phone .
Not sure what you are waiting for.If you dont have the option to tether , apply the proper IPCC file .
No need to jailbreak .
Instructions and IPCC files here : http : //www.iphone-dev.ca/info/ [ iphone-dev.ca ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually none of this is really true per se.The dev team had already released that video to show that the unlock will work on the 3gs once they decided to release the jailbreak.The unlock is the exact same code as works on the 3G.
No modification as the baseband is the same.They weren't forced to release anything by Geohot (the hacker you are talking about).Also, tethering worked the minute you had 3.0 on your phone.
Not sure what you are waiting for.If you dont have the option to tether, apply the proper IPCC file.
No need to jailbreak.
Instructions and IPCC files here: http://www.iphone-dev.ca/info/ [iphone-dev.ca]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590175</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28604173</id>
	<title>you guys are slacking</title>
	<author>DrStoooopid</author>
	<datestamp>1246904100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>daysbehind......<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...this was out late last week, where've you been?</p><p>I remember when<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. had the bleeding edge in nerd-news....now; more and more, a day late and a dollar short.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>daysbehind...... ...this was out late last week , where 've you been ? I remember when / .
had the bleeding edge in nerd-news....now ; more and more , a day late and a dollar short .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>daysbehind...... ...this was out late last week, where've you been?I remember when /.
had the bleeding edge in nerd-news....now; more and more, a day late and a dollar short.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28591711</id>
	<title>Re:The 3GS Unlock is available</title>
	<author>Flaming Cowpie</author>
	<datestamp>1246823820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What no one is saying is that the kernel patches used in the PurpleRa1n jb are not complete. There's errors and then there's the issues of things like Winterboard not working with PB. There's a variety of issues beyond just having a jailbroken phone that using this will get you. Users are best served by actually waiting for the official DevTeam jb. Yeah, you have to wait, but it's going to be done right.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What no one is saying is that the kernel patches used in the PurpleRa1n jb are not complete .
There 's errors and then there 's the issues of things like Winterboard not working with PB .
There 's a variety of issues beyond just having a jailbroken phone that using this will get you .
Users are best served by actually waiting for the official DevTeam jb .
Yeah , you have to wait , but it 's going to be done right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What no one is saying is that the kernel patches used in the PurpleRa1n jb are not complete.
There's errors and then there's the issues of things like Winterboard not working with PB.
There's a variety of issues beyond just having a jailbroken phone that using this will get you.
Users are best served by actually waiting for the official DevTeam jb.
Yeah, you have to wait, but it's going to be done right.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590175</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590115</id>
	<title>y0u fai1 i7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246805400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seit einigen Jahren wird das Gesch&#195;fft mit dem illegalen Welpenhandel unaufh&#195;frlich gr&#195;fsser, und damit steigt nat&#195;f&#194;&#188;rlich auch das Tierleid. Der Grund warum das Gesch&#195;fft so gut l&#195;fuft, ist vor allem mangelnde Aufkl&#195;frung, unwissende Hundek&#195;fufer, und Menschen die aus Mitleid kaufen. Welches Leid sie damit unterst&#195;f&#194;&#188;tzen wissen beim Kauf aber die wenigsten. Viele wollen Geld sparen und glauben einen Rassehund f&#195;f&#194;&#188;r sehr wenig Geld kaufen zu k&#195;fnnen. Andere sind schlicht nicht informiert wie ein seri&#195;fser Z&#195;f&#194;&#188;chter aussieht oder welchen Preis ein Rassehund normalerweise hat. Angeboten werden haupts&#195;fchlich kleine Modehunde wie Chihuahuas oder Franz&#195;fsische Bulldoggen aber auch Retriever und so ziemlich jede andere Rasse. Die meisten kommen aus L&#195;fndern in Osteuropa und haben schon sehr lange Fahrten in winzigen Boxen hinter sich, viele Hunde sind so geschw&#195;fcht das sie schon die Fahrt nicht &#195;f&#194;&#188;berstehen. Angeboten werden sie neben dem Internet auch auf Wochenm&#195;frkten oder direkt aus dem Auto heraus auf Autobahnrastpl&#195;ftzen. Die Welpen sind oft schwer krank, viele von ihnen erreichen trotz tier&#195;frztlicher Versorgung nicht mal das 1. Lebensjahr. Sie sind weder geimpft noch in irgendeiner Weise gesundheitlich untersucht worden. Die Elterntiere werden einfach wild und ohne Verstand miteinander verpaart und nicht auf Krankheiten untersucht. Ungeimpfte Welpen die nach Deutschland oder &#195;f-sterreich gebracht werden schleppen immer h&#195;fufiger gef&#195;fhrliche Krankheiten wie Parvovirose ein. Die Welpen wachsen unter sehr reizarmen und schlechten Bedingungen auf, eine gute Sozialisation ist so nicht m&#195;fglich. So lange es Menschen gibt die dort einen Welpen kaufen, sei es auch aus Mitleid, so lange werden diese H&#195;fndler ihre Hunde anbieten. Neben den H&#195;fndlern und Vermehrern gibt es aber auch noch Betr&#195;f&#194;&#188;ger vor denen man sich in acht nehmen sollte. Auch wenn der Betrug in den meisten F&#195;fllen mehr als offensichtlich ist, fallen immer noch t&#195;fglich gen&#195;f&#194;&#188;gend Leute auf diese Masche hinein. Vor allem in Online Tierm&#195;frkten bieten dubiose H&#195;fndler aus Kamerun billige Welpen an, die direkt bis vor die Haust&#195;f&#194;&#188;r geliefert werden sollen. Sp&#195;ftestens jetzt sollten die Alarmglocken l&#195;futen! Denn schon allein der Transport dieser Welpen per Schiff und Flugzeug w&#195;f&#194;&#188;rde den Kaufpreis WEIT &#195;f&#194;&#188;bersteigen. Der Welpe soll nach Deutschland transportiert werden, Abholung am Flughafen manchmal wird auch angeboten den Welpen bis vor die T&#195;f&#194;&#188;r zu bringen. Das Geld f&#195;f&#194;&#188;r den Welpen muss man im Voraus bezahlen, das Geld ist nat&#195;f&#194;&#188;rlich weg und einen Welpen gibt es auch nicht. Was macht einen guten Z&#195;f&#194;&#188;chter aus? Ein seri&#195;fser Z&#195;f&#194;&#188;chter: - z&#195;f&#194;&#188;chtet nur eine Rasse, allerh&#195;fchstens zwei - hat nur wenige Zuchttiere (1-2 H&#195;f&#194;&#188;ndinnen) - kann Sie ausreichend &#195;f&#194;&#188;ber die Eigenschaften und Besonderheiten &#195;zseiner&#195;oe Rasse informieren und steht ihnen auch nach dem Kauf mit Rat und Tat zur Seite <a href="http://www.zoopet.de/" title="zoopet.de" rel="nofollow">http://www.zoopet.de/</a> [zoopet.de] [zoopet.de] - versucht nicht Ihnen einen Welpen &#195;zaufzuschwatzen&#195;oe - erkundigt sich nach dem zuk&#195;f&#194;&#188;nftigen Lebensumst&#195;fnden des Welpen (Platz, Zeit usw.) - die H&#195;f&#194;&#188;ndin wirft h&#195;fchstens 1 mal im Jahr, es wird ihr genug Zeit gelassen sich zu erholen - die Zuchth&#195;f&#194;&#188;ndin wurde nicht vor der zweiten L&#195;fufigkeit gedeckt und ist nicht &#195;flter als 8 Jahre - Elterntiere wurden auf rassetypische Krankheiten untersucht und sind vollkommen gesund - die Welpen werden nicht vor der 8. Woche abgegeben - man kann die Mutterh&#195;f&#194;&#188;ndin mit ihren Welpen und andere beim Z&#195;f&#194;&#188;chter lebende Hun</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seit einigen Jahren wird das Gesch   fft mit dem illegalen Welpenhandel unaufh   frlich gr   fsser , und damit steigt nat   f     rlich auch das Tierleid .
Der Grund warum das Gesch   fft so gut l   fuft , ist vor allem mangelnde Aufkl   frung , unwissende Hundek   fufer , und Menschen die aus Mitleid kaufen .
Welches Leid sie damit unterst   f     tzen wissen beim Kauf aber die wenigsten .
Viele wollen Geld sparen und glauben einen Rassehund f   f     r sehr wenig Geld kaufen zu k   fnnen .
Andere sind schlicht nicht informiert wie ein seri   fser Z   f     chter aussieht oder welchen Preis ein Rassehund normalerweise hat .
Angeboten werden haupts   fchlich kleine Modehunde wie Chihuahuas oder Franz   fsische Bulldoggen aber auch Retriever und so ziemlich jede andere Rasse .
Die meisten kommen aus L   fndern in Osteuropa und haben schon sehr lange Fahrten in winzigen Boxen hinter sich , viele Hunde sind so geschw   fcht das sie schon die Fahrt nicht   f     berstehen .
Angeboten werden sie neben dem Internet auch auf Wochenm   frkten oder direkt aus dem Auto heraus auf Autobahnrastpl   ftzen .
Die Welpen sind oft schwer krank , viele von ihnen erreichen trotz tier   frztlicher Versorgung nicht mal das 1 .
Lebensjahr. Sie sind weder geimpft noch in irgendeiner Weise gesundheitlich untersucht worden .
Die Elterntiere werden einfach wild und ohne Verstand miteinander verpaart und nicht auf Krankheiten untersucht .
Ungeimpfte Welpen die nach Deutschland oder   f-sterreich gebracht werden schleppen immer h   fufiger gef   fhrliche Krankheiten wie Parvovirose ein .
Die Welpen wachsen unter sehr reizarmen und schlechten Bedingungen auf , eine gute Sozialisation ist so nicht m   fglich .
So lange es Menschen gibt die dort einen Welpen kaufen , sei es auch aus Mitleid , so lange werden diese H   fndler ihre Hunde anbieten .
Neben den H   fndlern und Vermehrern gibt es aber auch noch Betr   f     ger vor denen man sich in acht nehmen sollte .
Auch wenn der Betrug in den meisten F   fllen mehr als offensichtlich ist , fallen immer noch t   fglich gen   f     gend Leute auf diese Masche hinein .
Vor allem in Online Tierm   frkten bieten dubiose H   fndler aus Kamerun billige Welpen an , die direkt bis vor die Haust   f     r geliefert werden sollen .
Sp   ftestens jetzt sollten die Alarmglocken l   futen !
Denn schon allein der Transport dieser Welpen per Schiff und Flugzeug w   f     rde den Kaufpreis WEIT   f     bersteigen .
Der Welpe soll nach Deutschland transportiert werden , Abholung am Flughafen manchmal wird auch angeboten den Welpen bis vor die T   f     r zu bringen .
Das Geld f   f     r den Welpen muss man im Voraus bezahlen , das Geld ist nat   f     rlich weg und einen Welpen gibt es auch nicht .
Was macht einen guten Z   f     chter aus ?
Ein seri   fser Z   f     chter : - z   f     chtet nur eine Rasse , allerh   fchstens zwei - hat nur wenige Zuchttiere ( 1-2 H   f     ndinnen ) - kann Sie ausreichend   f     ber die Eigenschaften und Besonderheiten   zseiner   oe Rasse informieren und steht ihnen auch nach dem Kauf mit Rat und Tat zur Seite http : //www.zoopet.de/ [ zoopet.de ] [ zoopet.de ] - versucht nicht Ihnen einen Welpen   zaufzuschwatzen   oe - erkundigt sich nach dem zuk   f     nftigen Lebensumst   fnden des Welpen ( Platz , Zeit usw .
) - die H   f     ndin wirft h   fchstens 1 mal im Jahr , es wird ihr genug Zeit gelassen sich zu erholen - die Zuchth   f     ndin wurde nicht vor der zweiten L   fufigkeit gedeckt und ist nicht   flter als 8 Jahre - Elterntiere wurden auf rassetypische Krankheiten untersucht und sind vollkommen gesund - die Welpen werden nicht vor der 8 .
Woche abgegeben - man kann die Mutterh   f     ndin mit ihren Welpen und andere beim Z   f     chter lebende Hun</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seit einigen Jahren wird das GeschÃfft mit dem illegalen Welpenhandel unaufhÃfrlich grÃfsser, und damit steigt natÃfÂ¼rlich auch das Tierleid.
Der Grund warum das GeschÃfft so gut lÃfuft, ist vor allem mangelnde AufklÃfrung, unwissende HundekÃfufer, und Menschen die aus Mitleid kaufen.
Welches Leid sie damit unterstÃfÂ¼tzen wissen beim Kauf aber die wenigsten.
Viele wollen Geld sparen und glauben einen Rassehund fÃfÂ¼r sehr wenig Geld kaufen zu kÃfnnen.
Andere sind schlicht nicht informiert wie ein seriÃfser ZÃfÂ¼chter aussieht oder welchen Preis ein Rassehund normalerweise hat.
Angeboten werden hauptsÃfchlich kleine Modehunde wie Chihuahuas oder FranzÃfsische Bulldoggen aber auch Retriever und so ziemlich jede andere Rasse.
Die meisten kommen aus LÃfndern in Osteuropa und haben schon sehr lange Fahrten in winzigen Boxen hinter sich, viele Hunde sind so geschwÃfcht das sie schon die Fahrt nicht ÃfÂ¼berstehen.
Angeboten werden sie neben dem Internet auch auf WochenmÃfrkten oder direkt aus dem Auto heraus auf AutobahnrastplÃftzen.
Die Welpen sind oft schwer krank, viele von ihnen erreichen trotz tierÃfrztlicher Versorgung nicht mal das 1.
Lebensjahr. Sie sind weder geimpft noch in irgendeiner Weise gesundheitlich untersucht worden.
Die Elterntiere werden einfach wild und ohne Verstand miteinander verpaart und nicht auf Krankheiten untersucht.
Ungeimpfte Welpen die nach Deutschland oder Ãf-sterreich gebracht werden schleppen immer hÃfufiger gefÃfhrliche Krankheiten wie Parvovirose ein.
Die Welpen wachsen unter sehr reizarmen und schlechten Bedingungen auf, eine gute Sozialisation ist so nicht mÃfglich.
So lange es Menschen gibt die dort einen Welpen kaufen, sei es auch aus Mitleid, so lange werden diese HÃfndler ihre Hunde anbieten.
Neben den HÃfndlern und Vermehrern gibt es aber auch noch BetrÃfÂ¼ger vor denen man sich in acht nehmen sollte.
Auch wenn der Betrug in den meisten FÃfllen mehr als offensichtlich ist, fallen immer noch tÃfglich genÃfÂ¼gend Leute auf diese Masche hinein.
Vor allem in Online TiermÃfrkten bieten dubiose HÃfndler aus Kamerun billige Welpen an, die direkt bis vor die HaustÃfÂ¼r geliefert werden sollen.
SpÃftestens jetzt sollten die Alarmglocken lÃfuten!
Denn schon allein der Transport dieser Welpen per Schiff und Flugzeug wÃfÂ¼rde den Kaufpreis WEIT ÃfÂ¼bersteigen.
Der Welpe soll nach Deutschland transportiert werden, Abholung am Flughafen manchmal wird auch angeboten den Welpen bis vor die TÃfÂ¼r zu bringen.
Das Geld fÃfÂ¼r den Welpen muss man im Voraus bezahlen, das Geld ist natÃfÂ¼rlich weg und einen Welpen gibt es auch nicht.
Was macht einen guten ZÃfÂ¼chter aus?
Ein seriÃfser ZÃfÂ¼chter: - zÃfÂ¼chtet nur eine Rasse, allerhÃfchstens zwei - hat nur wenige Zuchttiere (1-2 HÃfÂ¼ndinnen) - kann Sie ausreichend ÃfÂ¼ber die Eigenschaften und Besonderheiten ÃzseinerÃoe Rasse informieren und steht ihnen auch nach dem Kauf mit Rat und Tat zur Seite http://www.zoopet.de/ [zoopet.de] [zoopet.de] - versucht nicht Ihnen einen Welpen ÃzaufzuschwatzenÃoe - erkundigt sich nach dem zukÃfÂ¼nftigen LebensumstÃfnden des Welpen (Platz, Zeit usw.
) - die HÃfÂ¼ndin wirft hÃfchstens 1 mal im Jahr, es wird ihr genug Zeit gelassen sich zu erholen - die ZuchthÃfÂ¼ndin wurde nicht vor der zweiten LÃfufigkeit gedeckt und ist nicht Ãflter als 8 Jahre - Elterntiere wurden auf rassetypische Krankheiten untersucht und sind vollkommen gesund - die Welpen werden nicht vor der 8.
Woche abgegeben - man kann die MutterhÃfÂ¼ndin mit ihren Welpen und andere beim ZÃfÂ¼chter lebende Hun</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28674015</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>eldorel</author>
	<datestamp>1247483820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's compact and powerful.<p><div class="quote"><p>Let me guess: You never had a Nokia phone with Symbian.</p></div><p>
He may not, but I have.<br>
My iphone cost me $99, my old nokia cost me $300.<br>
<br>
My iphone fully supports exchange services, so my calendars, contacts, and todo lists are all synced perfectly with my other techs, our sales team, and our dispatcher, over the air, in real time. (sales can schedule an onsite in real time, without having to call in or worry about causing a conflict!)<br>
<br>
The iphone has a large, easy to use interface, so I don't have to train people on how to use it, i just have to show them which app to select.<br>
<br>
Google maps is integrated with the contacts list, and the calendar. So I open a calendar item, select the address listed, and i'm instantly looking at a map of the site, and with 2 clicks I have directions from my current location.<br>
<br>
My iphone has a wireless scanner (WiFiFofum), and a network port scanner (iNet), and because of this, I can use it and touches to replace 30 lbs worth of kit** in my onsite pack.<br> <br>
<br>
My phone is also jailbroken, so it includes nmap and several other tools which work perfectly with already written scripts, allowing me to quickly run scripted tests onsite without having to sit at a desk or hold a laptop while dealing with the client. (being able to chat easily while working is a big plus when dealing with non-tech customers)  <br>
<br>
On top of this I can use it to vnc/ssh/ftp/etc from anywhere i have cell service, allowing me the freedom to actually leave the office during the day without having to pack a full kit with me. <br>
<br>
That's a hell of a fine job from a phone, don't you think?<br>
<br>
<br>
**30lbs of kit = 2 laptops running kismet for wireless audits, several hundred feet of cable, and a netbook for display while on a ladder/roof adjusting antenna.</p></div>
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<tokenext>It 's compact and powerful.Let me guess : You never had a Nokia phone with Symbian .
He may not , but I have .
My iphone cost me $ 99 , my old nokia cost me $ 300 .
My iphone fully supports exchange services , so my calendars , contacts , and todo lists are all synced perfectly with my other techs , our sales team , and our dispatcher , over the air , in real time .
( sales can schedule an onsite in real time , without having to call in or worry about causing a conflict !
) The iphone has a large , easy to use interface , so I do n't have to train people on how to use it , i just have to show them which app to select .
Google maps is integrated with the contacts list , and the calendar .
So I open a calendar item , select the address listed , and i 'm instantly looking at a map of the site , and with 2 clicks I have directions from my current location .
My iphone has a wireless scanner ( WiFiFofum ) , and a network port scanner ( iNet ) , and because of this , I can use it and touches to replace 30 lbs worth of kit * * in my onsite pack .
My phone is also jailbroken , so it includes nmap and several other tools which work perfectly with already written scripts , allowing me to quickly run scripted tests onsite without having to sit at a desk or hold a laptop while dealing with the client .
( being able to chat easily while working is a big plus when dealing with non-tech customers ) On top of this I can use it to vnc/ssh/ftp/etc from anywhere i have cell service , allowing me the freedom to actually leave the office during the day without having to pack a full kit with me .
That 's a hell of a fine job from a phone , do n't you think ?
* * 30lbs of kit = 2 laptops running kismet for wireless audits , several hundred feet of cable , and a netbook for display while on a ladder/roof adjusting antenna .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's compact and powerful.Let me guess: You never had a Nokia phone with Symbian.
He may not, but I have.
My iphone cost me $99, my old nokia cost me $300.
My iphone fully supports exchange services, so my calendars, contacts, and todo lists are all synced perfectly with my other techs, our sales team, and our dispatcher, over the air, in real time.
(sales can schedule an onsite in real time, without having to call in or worry about causing a conflict!
)

The iphone has a large, easy to use interface, so I don't have to train people on how to use it, i just have to show them which app to select.
Google maps is integrated with the contacts list, and the calendar.
So I open a calendar item, select the address listed, and i'm instantly looking at a map of the site, and with 2 clicks I have directions from my current location.
My iphone has a wireless scanner (WiFiFofum), and a network port scanner (iNet), and because of this, I can use it and touches to replace 30 lbs worth of kit** in my onsite pack.
My phone is also jailbroken, so it includes nmap and several other tools which work perfectly with already written scripts, allowing me to quickly run scripted tests onsite without having to sit at a desk or hold a laptop while dealing with the client.
(being able to chat easily while working is a big plus when dealing with non-tech customers)  

On top of this I can use it to vnc/ssh/ftp/etc from anywhere i have cell service, allowing me the freedom to actually leave the office during the day without having to pack a full kit with me.
That's a hell of a fine job from a phone, don't you think?
**30lbs of kit = 2 laptops running kismet for wireless audits, several hundred feet of cable, and a netbook for display while on a ladder/roof adjusting antenna.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28591987</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246871400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let me guess: You never had a Nokia phone with Symbian.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me guess : You never had a Nokia phone with Symbian .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me guess: You never had a Nokia phone with Symbian.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590129</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246805580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, you're right!  And if you'd read anything beyond "iPhone" in this post, you'd see that this bit of news concerns people who are devoting their nerdly skills to making it so that THEY decide what runs on their phones.

I just don't get see why this "insightful" comment gets modpoints when posted to an article about people trying to SOLVE the problem this AC is talking about.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , you 're right !
And if you 'd read anything beyond " iPhone " in this post , you 'd see that this bit of news concerns people who are devoting their nerdly skills to making it so that THEY decide what runs on their phones .
I just do n't get see why this " insightful " comment gets modpoints when posted to an article about people trying to SOLVE the problem this AC is talking about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, you're right!
And if you'd read anything beyond "iPhone" in this post, you'd see that this bit of news concerns people who are devoting their nerdly skills to making it so that THEY decide what runs on their phones.
I just don't get see why this "insightful" comment gets modpoints when posted to an article about people trying to SOLVE the problem this AC is talking about.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28592513</id>
	<title>Re:Mine's hacked and unlocked</title>
	<author>qrash</author>
	<datestamp>1246879260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just to add something to this comment: although I haven't tried purplera1n (jailbreaking) + ultrasn0w (unlocking) myself, as you would expect from something like this, there are still issues involving wifi disconnection. Proceed with caution!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just to add something to this comment : although I have n't tried purplera1n ( jailbreaking ) + ultrasn0w ( unlocking ) myself , as you would expect from something like this , there are still issues involving wifi disconnection .
Proceed with caution !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just to add something to this comment: although I haven't tried purplera1n (jailbreaking) + ultrasn0w (unlocking) myself, as you would expect from something like this, there are still issues involving wifi disconnection.
Proceed with caution!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590041</id>
	<title>Re:Don't need to jailbreak for wallpaper/ring tone</title>
	<author>Moridineas</author>
	<datestamp>1246804440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They do make it much harder than necessary to make ringtones. You can't just use any old mp3/aac/etc file, and all the documentation etc makes it seem like you have to buy ringtones.</p><p>Pretty annoying.. even my old locked down verizon LG phone had the ability to use bluetooth to transfer mp3s and midis to the phone for usage as ringtones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do make it much harder than necessary to make ringtones .
You ca n't just use any old mp3/aac/etc file , and all the documentation etc makes it seem like you have to buy ringtones.Pretty annoying.. even my old locked down verizon LG phone had the ability to use bluetooth to transfer mp3s and midis to the phone for usage as ringtones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They do make it much harder than necessary to make ringtones.
You can't just use any old mp3/aac/etc file, and all the documentation etc makes it seem like you have to buy ringtones.Pretty annoying.. even my old locked down verizon LG phone had the ability to use bluetooth to transfer mp3s and midis to the phone for usage as ringtones.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28591019</id>
	<title>Re:why doing this?</title>
	<author>trawg</author>
	<datestamp>1246816440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're trying to draw a line that attempts to explain some sort of correlation between people giving companies money for doing mean/stupid/evil things, and the trend of that company to continue doing mean/stupid/evil things! That's crazy! You can't expect companies to change their ways just because everyone stops buying their products. Clearly, the only way to stop them is to keep buying the products, and complain loudly about it on the Internet.</p><p>(I'm also iPhone-free until I don't need to jailbreak it to run whatever I want)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're trying to draw a line that attempts to explain some sort of correlation between people giving companies money for doing mean/stupid/evil things , and the trend of that company to continue doing mean/stupid/evil things !
That 's crazy !
You ca n't expect companies to change their ways just because everyone stops buying their products .
Clearly , the only way to stop them is to keep buying the products , and complain loudly about it on the Internet .
( I 'm also iPhone-free until I do n't need to jailbreak it to run whatever I want )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're trying to draw a line that attempts to explain some sort of correlation between people giving companies money for doing mean/stupid/evil things, and the trend of that company to continue doing mean/stupid/evil things!
That's crazy!
You can't expect companies to change their ways just because everyone stops buying their products.
Clearly, the only way to stop them is to keep buying the products, and complain loudly about it on the Internet.
(I'm also iPhone-free until I don't need to jailbreak it to run whatever I want)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28591737</id>
	<title>Calendar in lock screen</title>
	<author>kozmico</author>
	<datestamp>1246910700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only reason i unlock my iPhone: upcoming calendar events in the lock screen and MMS support (1.gen iPhone).    It's stupid to have to launch an application to ser todays meetings..</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only reason i unlock my iPhone : upcoming calendar events in the lock screen and MMS support ( 1.gen iPhone ) .
It 's stupid to have to launch an application to ser todays meetings. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only reason i unlock my iPhone: upcoming calendar events in the lock screen and MMS support (1.gen iPhone).
It's stupid to have to launch an application to ser todays meetings..</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28658411</id>
	<title>Cracked, maybe?</title>
	<author>htalvitie</author>
	<datestamp>1247303580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nitpicking, yes, but since "hacking" is quite confusing (for purists, misleading?) the title could have been "jailbreaked" or some other indicating it's been "cracked".</p><p>Yes, generally the context reveals the true meaning, but still.</p><p>"Simply living is nowadays a hack."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nitpicking , yes , but since " hacking " is quite confusing ( for purists , misleading ?
) the title could have been " jailbreaked " or some other indicating it 's been " cracked " .Yes , generally the context reveals the true meaning , but still .
" Simply living is nowadays a hack .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nitpicking, yes, but since "hacking" is quite confusing (for purists, misleading?
) the title could have been "jailbreaked" or some other indicating it's been "cracked".Yes, generally the context reveals the true meaning, but still.
"Simply living is nowadays a hack.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28591809</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>Chameleon.008</author>
	<datestamp>1246912080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ya mine my updated 3g iphone works great as a space heater when I get cold, I swear since the 3.0 update I think it is going to burn down my house while I sleep. All funniness aside, trade you device freedom that is what is wrong with most people giving up any freedom is wrong. To tell the truth I can't wait for microsoft to fall (And they will) and for apple to take over because they will be a thousand time worse then microsoft ever was. I mean apple is the better bigger better jack booted thug. You will do what they want and how they want it and you will kiss the ring and smile. And you say your device just works. I have never had any problems with a cell phone before the iphone, never had a crash or a defective. They all just worked. But I have 3 defective iphone 3g's and the current one is slower than molasses. I am thinking about jailbreaking, and unlocking and selling it and getting away from apple. Hell 2 years before you could send an mms. Ok rant done, does anyone know of a more open phone I can get?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ya mine my updated 3g iphone works great as a space heater when I get cold , I swear since the 3.0 update I think it is going to burn down my house while I sleep .
All funniness aside , trade you device freedom that is what is wrong with most people giving up any freedom is wrong .
To tell the truth I ca n't wait for microsoft to fall ( And they will ) and for apple to take over because they will be a thousand time worse then microsoft ever was .
I mean apple is the better bigger better jack booted thug .
You will do what they want and how they want it and you will kiss the ring and smile .
And you say your device just works .
I have never had any problems with a cell phone before the iphone , never had a crash or a defective .
They all just worked .
But I have 3 defective iphone 3g 's and the current one is slower than molasses .
I am thinking about jailbreaking , and unlocking and selling it and getting away from apple .
Hell 2 years before you could send an mms .
Ok rant done , does anyone know of a more open phone I can get ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ya mine my updated 3g iphone works great as a space heater when I get cold, I swear since the 3.0 update I think it is going to burn down my house while I sleep.
All funniness aside, trade you device freedom that is what is wrong with most people giving up any freedom is wrong.
To tell the truth I can't wait for microsoft to fall (And they will) and for apple to take over because they will be a thousand time worse then microsoft ever was.
I mean apple is the better bigger better jack booted thug.
You will do what they want and how they want it and you will kiss the ring and smile.
And you say your device just works.
I have never had any problems with a cell phone before the iphone, never had a crash or a defective.
They all just worked.
But I have 3 defective iphone 3g's and the current one is slower than molasses.
I am thinking about jailbreaking, and unlocking and selling it and getting away from apple.
Hell 2 years before you could send an mms.
Ok rant done, does anyone know of a more open phone I can get?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590229</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28594279</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>rgviza</author>
	<datestamp>1246894140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>LOL so true. I ditched my Vu, the GPS puck, and my sansa clip (for car use anyway, still use the clip to run because it's tiny) for all of it in a single device. I don't need to reset bluetooth devices every time I turn my phone on to get the puck to work (which could take several tries and up to 10 minutes, ROYAL pita). GPS is shit tho, no turn by turn, which I had for free on the Vu (AmazeGPS). Unfortunately dealing with the puck sucked and took all the wind out of my sails for using it. I'll bend over and get the Tom Tom if they ever get it done to get my turn by turn back.</p><p>The 3GS also has a bigger screen and it's hella faster than any Windows smart phone or the Vu.</p><p>Yea, I'll take it! BTW you need to unlock the Vu to install third party non-att apps on it too, so I honestly don't see the difference, outside of the whole "Just Works (tm)" thing and the price. Verizon phones just blow chunks. Everyone I know won't even get apps because you pay for them every single month. What a crock. Talk about locked down...</p><p>I was going to get an iPod touch anyway and the phone was $100 more. In my situation it'd have been stupid to not get the iPhone.</p><p>-Viz</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>LOL so true .
I ditched my Vu , the GPS puck , and my sansa clip ( for car use anyway , still use the clip to run because it 's tiny ) for all of it in a single device .
I do n't need to reset bluetooth devices every time I turn my phone on to get the puck to work ( which could take several tries and up to 10 minutes , ROYAL pita ) .
GPS is shit tho , no turn by turn , which I had for free on the Vu ( AmazeGPS ) .
Unfortunately dealing with the puck sucked and took all the wind out of my sails for using it .
I 'll bend over and get the Tom Tom if they ever get it done to get my turn by turn back.The 3GS also has a bigger screen and it 's hella faster than any Windows smart phone or the Vu.Yea , I 'll take it !
BTW you need to unlock the Vu to install third party non-att apps on it too , so I honestly do n't see the difference , outside of the whole " Just Works ( tm ) " thing and the price .
Verizon phones just blow chunks .
Everyone I know wo n't even get apps because you pay for them every single month .
What a crock .
Talk about locked down...I was going to get an iPod touch anyway and the phone was $ 100 more .
In my situation it 'd have been stupid to not get the iPhone.-Viz</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LOL so true.
I ditched my Vu, the GPS puck, and my sansa clip (for car use anyway, still use the clip to run because it's tiny) for all of it in a single device.
I don't need to reset bluetooth devices every time I turn my phone on to get the puck to work (which could take several tries and up to 10 minutes, ROYAL pita).
GPS is shit tho, no turn by turn, which I had for free on the Vu (AmazeGPS).
Unfortunately dealing with the puck sucked and took all the wind out of my sails for using it.
I'll bend over and get the Tom Tom if they ever get it done to get my turn by turn back.The 3GS also has a bigger screen and it's hella faster than any Windows smart phone or the Vu.Yea, I'll take it!
BTW you need to unlock the Vu to install third party non-att apps on it too, so I honestly don't see the difference, outside of the whole "Just Works (tm)" thing and the price.
Verizon phones just blow chunks.
Everyone I know won't even get apps because you pay for them every single month.
What a crock.
Talk about locked down...I was going to get an iPod touch anyway and the phone was $100 more.
In my situation it'd have been stupid to not get the iPhone.-Viz</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590229</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28593309</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246888140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No offense -- but when the heck did a phone "not just work"  From my knowledge it's all phones "just work" (obviously minus the "carrier issues", which then doesn't actually make it the phone's issue) -- it's all the other things we want a phone to do that start jackin' it up.... and considering that it's what "we" want on a phone that jacks it up -- why is there limitation?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No offense -- but when the heck did a phone " not just work " From my knowledge it 's all phones " just work " ( obviously minus the " carrier issues " , which then does n't actually make it the phone 's issue ) -- it 's all the other things we want a phone to do that start jackin ' it up.... and considering that it 's what " we " want on a phone that jacks it up -- why is there limitation ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No offense -- but when the heck did a phone "not just work"  From my knowledge it's all phones "just work" (obviously minus the "carrier issues", which then doesn't actually make it the phone's issue) -- it's all the other things we want a phone to do that start jackin' it up.... and considering that it's what "we" want on a phone that jacks it up -- why is there limitation?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590229</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28591423</id>
	<title>Re:The 3GS Unlock is available</title>
	<author>anethema</author>
	<datestamp>1246820220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You guys (you and a child post) have a VERY incomplete understanding of what the dev team did or did not do, and their reasons for such.</p><p>They had a jailbreak for the 3GS almost immediately, but apple was already preparing their 3.1 update (beta is already out).</p><p>If they released the jailbreak right away, apple would patch it in 3.1 and every new phone sold would be 3.1 without the ability to downgrade due to the fact that apple has new signing protections in the 3GS.</p><p>If they waited the short time until the 3.1 release, then every 3.1 and 3.0 phone sold would be jailbreakable forever. Now that geohot has released his jailbreak it is possible that if another flaw is not found, the vast majority of all phones sold by the end of this year will never be jailbreakable.</p><p>I can see the merits to each one, but George (geohot) is betting fairly heavily on that he will find another exploit in the new 3.1 software.</p><p>I do know that privately some of the team has expressed privately that they are somewhat happy that someone else has released a userland tool and to let him support it for a while.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You guys ( you and a child post ) have a VERY incomplete understanding of what the dev team did or did not do , and their reasons for such.They had a jailbreak for the 3GS almost immediately , but apple was already preparing their 3.1 update ( beta is already out ) .If they released the jailbreak right away , apple would patch it in 3.1 and every new phone sold would be 3.1 without the ability to downgrade due to the fact that apple has new signing protections in the 3GS.If they waited the short time until the 3.1 release , then every 3.1 and 3.0 phone sold would be jailbreakable forever .
Now that geohot has released his jailbreak it is possible that if another flaw is not found , the vast majority of all phones sold by the end of this year will never be jailbreakable.I can see the merits to each one , but George ( geohot ) is betting fairly heavily on that he will find another exploit in the new 3.1 software.I do know that privately some of the team has expressed privately that they are somewhat happy that someone else has released a userland tool and to let him support it for a while .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You guys (you and a child post) have a VERY incomplete understanding of what the dev team did or did not do, and their reasons for such.They had a jailbreak for the 3GS almost immediately, but apple was already preparing their 3.1 update (beta is already out).If they released the jailbreak right away, apple would patch it in 3.1 and every new phone sold would be 3.1 without the ability to downgrade due to the fact that apple has new signing protections in the 3GS.If they waited the short time until the 3.1 release, then every 3.1 and 3.0 phone sold would be jailbreakable forever.
Now that geohot has released his jailbreak it is possible that if another flaw is not found, the vast majority of all phones sold by the end of this year will never be jailbreakable.I can see the merits to each one, but George (geohot) is betting fairly heavily on that he will find another exploit in the new 3.1 software.I do know that privately some of the team has expressed privately that they are somewhat happy that someone else has released a userland tool and to let him support it for a while.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590747</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28591487</id>
	<title>Does this mean... C64?!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246820880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, will be able to put Commode 64 emulators on it now? Inquiring minds want to know.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , will be able to put Commode 64 emulators on it now ?
Inquiring minds want to know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, will be able to put Commode 64 emulators on it now?
Inquiring minds want to know.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590137</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246805700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why? Easy: it's a pretty good phone, it comes with some nice apps (including a great mobile browser) and has a lot of other great apps available to add to it.</p><p>Isn't that enough?</p><p>Yeah, I can't do everything I want with it. And that sucks. But the devices which are better about that are much worse in other areas. When it comes right down to it, the iPhone is the best device for me, despite its locked down nature.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ?
Easy : it 's a pretty good phone , it comes with some nice apps ( including a great mobile browser ) and has a lot of other great apps available to add to it.Is n't that enough ? Yeah , I ca n't do everything I want with it .
And that sucks .
But the devices which are better about that are much worse in other areas .
When it comes right down to it , the iPhone is the best device for me , despite its locked down nature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why?
Easy: it's a pretty good phone, it comes with some nice apps (including a great mobile browser) and has a lot of other great apps available to add to it.Isn't that enough?Yeah, I can't do everything I want with it.
And that sucks.
But the devices which are better about that are much worse in other areas.
When it comes right down to it, the iPhone is the best device for me, despite its locked down nature.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590011</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28592181</id>
	<title>Re:Don't need to jailbreak for wallpaper/ring tone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246874040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://audiko.net/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //audiko.net/</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://audiko.net/</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590041</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28593215</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1246887600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The other problem was that the hardware was antiquated by the time it was released.  My three-year-old phone at the time supported UMTS and had a freely-available SDK.  If I'd swapped it for a Freerunner, I'd have gone back to GPRS (50KB/s to 5KB/s, 200ms latency to 2s latency) and only gained the ability to run Linux instead of Symbian (no other operating systems have yet been ported, so there's no actual choice, just a different requirement).</htmltext>
<tokenext>The other problem was that the hardware was antiquated by the time it was released .
My three-year-old phone at the time supported UMTS and had a freely-available SDK .
If I 'd swapped it for a Freerunner , I 'd have gone back to GPRS ( 50KB/s to 5KB/s , 200ms latency to 2s latency ) and only gained the ability to run Linux instead of Symbian ( no other operating systems have yet been ported , so there 's no actual choice , just a different requirement ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The other problem was that the hardware was antiquated by the time it was released.
My three-year-old phone at the time supported UMTS and had a freely-available SDK.
If I'd swapped it for a Freerunner, I'd have gone back to GPRS (50KB/s to 5KB/s, 200ms latency to 2s latency) and only gained the ability to run Linux instead of Symbian (no other operating systems have yet been ported, so there's no actual choice, just a different requirement).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28592147</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28591689</id>
	<title>I have to tell this.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246823700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple sucks....and more than them the people who develop jailbreak. All this talent can be used to build an open source rival to iPhone and kick the hell out of Apple's Ass.... Anyways I am glad they are doing it right now !!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple sucks....and more than them the people who develop jailbreak .
All this talent can be used to build an open source rival to iPhone and kick the hell out of Apple 's Ass.... Anyways I am glad they are doing it right now ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple sucks....and more than them the people who develop jailbreak.
All this talent can be used to build an open source rival to iPhone and kick the hell out of Apple's Ass.... Anyways I am glad they are doing it right now !!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28591129</id>
	<title>Re:jailbreak justification</title>
	<author>floodo1</author>
	<datestamp>1246817280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i'm with you brotha! Why Apple limited people to only changing ringtones (and not all "tones") has mystified me since I got my phone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>i 'm with you brotha !
Why Apple limited people to only changing ringtones ( and not all " tones " ) has mystified me since I got my phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i'm with you brotha!
Why Apple limited people to only changing ringtones (and not all "tones") has mystified me since I got my phone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590197</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28595313</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1246899300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, I guess that explains why they went with AT&amp;T instead of a provider that can actually keep maintain my calls for more than 5 minutes at a time without dropping them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I guess that explains why they went with AT&amp;T instead of a provider that can actually keep maintain my calls for more than 5 minutes at a time without dropping them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I guess that explains why they went with AT&amp;T instead of a provider that can actually keep maintain my calls for more than 5 minutes at a time without dropping them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590229</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28591251</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>sjames</author>
	<datestamp>1246818420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Self help is good, but that doesn't answer the question. When people bought the things, this hack wasn't available. Some may have bought it as a sort of Geek puzzle exactly so they could crack it, but what of the many others?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Self help is good , but that does n't answer the question .
When people bought the things , this hack was n't available .
Some may have bought it as a sort of Geek puzzle exactly so they could crack it , but what of the many others ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Self help is good, but that doesn't answer the question.
When people bought the things, this hack wasn't available.
Some may have bought it as a sort of Geek puzzle exactly so they could crack it, but what of the many others?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590129</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590229</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246806720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because most of us iPhone users are willing to trade "device freedom" for "device just works."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because most of us iPhone users are willing to trade " device freedom " for " device just works .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because most of us iPhone users are willing to trade "device freedom" for "device just works.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590011</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28599309</id>
	<title>Re:why doing this?</title>
	<author>DeathMagnetic</author>
	<datestamp>1246873200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why does everything have to be a holy war to some people?  Okay, Apple, AT&amp;T, &amp; the iPhone are not perfect.  But a jailbroken iPhone does everything that I need it to do in a way that no other device can.  So I'm supposed to sacrifice that functionality to teach Apple &amp; AT&amp;T a lesson?  There's a time for standing up for principle, but this is just silly.  If you think the iPhone (including it's jailbreakability) is the best device out there for your money, not buying it because you think Apple is evil is just stupid because you're hurting yourself more than you'll ever hurt Apple.  If you'd actually prefer another device in the first place, then your proclamation about being unwilling to give such companies your money is just a meaningless rant.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does everything have to be a holy war to some people ?
Okay , Apple , AT&amp;T , &amp; the iPhone are not perfect .
But a jailbroken iPhone does everything that I need it to do in a way that no other device can .
So I 'm supposed to sacrifice that functionality to teach Apple &amp; AT&amp;T a lesson ?
There 's a time for standing up for principle , but this is just silly .
If you think the iPhone ( including it 's jailbreakability ) is the best device out there for your money , not buying it because you think Apple is evil is just stupid because you 're hurting yourself more than you 'll ever hurt Apple .
If you 'd actually prefer another device in the first place , then your proclamation about being unwilling to give such companies your money is just a meaningless rant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does everything have to be a holy war to some people?
Okay, Apple, AT&amp;T, &amp; the iPhone are not perfect.
But a jailbroken iPhone does everything that I need it to do in a way that no other device can.
So I'm supposed to sacrifice that functionality to teach Apple &amp; AT&amp;T a lesson?
There's a time for standing up for principle, but this is just silly.
If you think the iPhone (including it's jailbreakability) is the best device out there for your money, not buying it because you think Apple is evil is just stupid because you're hurting yourself more than you'll ever hurt Apple.
If you'd actually prefer another device in the first place, then your proclamation about being unwilling to give such companies your money is just a meaningless rant.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590673</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28592715</id>
	<title>Re:jailbreak justification</title>
	<author>park3r</author>
	<datestamp>1246882980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>if apple would alleviate the 2 restrictions about changing sounds, i could live without the 5 icon dock and cyntact.  i would have no reason to jailbreak.... and by alleviate, i don't mean to make me buy the sounds off of itunes like they try to make you do with ringtones, which you can get around that by importing m4r files.. 8)</p></div><p>
I totally agree. When the 3.0 firmware came out, it was the first time I considered leaving my iphone in its natural state because of all the things they finally decided to include. But not being able to change SMS ringtones is ridiculous. Seeing someone who owns an unjailbroken iphone react to hearing a custom SMS ringtone (mine is the 1-up sound from Super Mario Brothers) is fairly priceless.<br>
<br>
I figured I could live without running Winterboard or OpenSSH. Though honestly, I haven't found a legit SSH app that I like as much as MobileTerminal.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>if apple would alleviate the 2 restrictions about changing sounds , i could live without the 5 icon dock and cyntact .
i would have no reason to jailbreak.... and by alleviate , i do n't mean to make me buy the sounds off of itunes like they try to make you do with ringtones , which you can get around that by importing m4r files.. 8 ) I totally agree .
When the 3.0 firmware came out , it was the first time I considered leaving my iphone in its natural state because of all the things they finally decided to include .
But not being able to change SMS ringtones is ridiculous .
Seeing someone who owns an unjailbroken iphone react to hearing a custom SMS ringtone ( mine is the 1-up sound from Super Mario Brothers ) is fairly priceless .
I figured I could live without running Winterboard or OpenSSH .
Though honestly , I have n't found a legit SSH app that I like as much as MobileTerminal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if apple would alleviate the 2 restrictions about changing sounds, i could live without the 5 icon dock and cyntact.
i would have no reason to jailbreak.... and by alleviate, i don't mean to make me buy the sounds off of itunes like they try to make you do with ringtones, which you can get around that by importing m4r files.. 8)
I totally agree.
When the 3.0 firmware came out, it was the first time I considered leaving my iphone in its natural state because of all the things they finally decided to include.
But not being able to change SMS ringtones is ridiculous.
Seeing someone who owns an unjailbroken iphone react to hearing a custom SMS ringtone (mine is the 1-up sound from Super Mario Brothers) is fairly priceless.
I figured I could live without running Winterboard or OpenSSH.
Though honestly, I haven't found a legit SSH app that I like as much as MobileTerminal.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590197</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28597253</id>
	<title>So what about security?</title>
	<author>Lars T.</author>
	<datestamp>1246907460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/jailbroken-iphones-leave-users-more-vulnerable-936?source=fssr" title="infoworld.com">http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/jailbroken-iphones-leave-users-more-vulnerable-936?source=fssr</a> [infoworld.com] <p>

"If you care about security, don't use a jailbroken iPhone," said security researcher Charlie Miller, speaking at the SyScan security conference in Singapore on Thursday.
</p><p>
The process removes around 80 percent of the security protections built into the phone's software, making it more vulnerable, Miller said.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/jailbroken-iphones-leave-users-more-vulnerable-936 ? source = fssr [ infoworld.com ] " If you care about security , do n't use a jailbroken iPhone , " said security researcher Charlie Miller , speaking at the SyScan security conference in Singapore on Thursday .
The process removes around 80 percent of the security protections built into the phone 's software , making it more vulnerable , Miller said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobilize/jailbroken-iphones-leave-users-more-vulnerable-936?source=fssr [infoworld.com] 

"If you care about security, don't use a jailbroken iPhone," said security researcher Charlie Miller, speaking at the SyScan security conference in Singapore on Thursday.
The process removes around 80 percent of the security protections built into the phone's software, making it more vulnerable, Miller said.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590673</id>
	<title>why doing this?</title>
	<author>PineGreen</author>
	<datestamp>1246812420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Jailbreaking is counterproductive. Apple and AT&amp;T will never learn this way. I opted for N97 instead, sure it has some drawbacks, but I am simply not prepared to give any kind of money to companies as evil as Apple and AT&amp;T.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Jailbreaking is counterproductive .
Apple and AT&amp;T will never learn this way .
I opted for N97 instead , sure it has some drawbacks , but I am simply not prepared to give any kind of money to companies as evil as Apple and AT&amp;T .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jailbreaking is counterproductive.
Apple and AT&amp;T will never learn this way.
I opted for N97 instead, sure it has some drawbacks, but I am simply not prepared to give any kind of money to companies as evil as Apple and AT&amp;T.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590971</id>
	<title>How to unlock using ultrasnow + future proofing!</title>
	<author>hofmny</author>
	<datestamp>1246815840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Download the purplera1n tool and then unlock using ultraSnow using the guide here: <a href="http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=4253" title="iclarified.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=4253</a> [iclarified.com]
<br> <br>
The only problem with this hack is that Winterboard still doesn't work. For that you will want to wait until the iPhone Dev Team releases their updates. The Dev team <b>STRONGLY RECOMMENDS</b> that you obtain your IBEC/IBSS files and described on <a href="http://blog.iphone-dev.org/post/133799347/your-3gs-temporary-solution" title="iphone-dev.org" rel="nofollow">http://blog.iphone-dev.org/post/133799347/your-3gs-temporary-solution</a> [iphone-dev.org] with a <b>windows tutorial</b> here: <a href="http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=4399" title="iclarified.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=4399</a> [iclarified.com]
<br> <br>
This program found here <a href="http://difrnt.com/blog/?p=25" title="difrnt.com" rel="nofollow">http://difrnt.com/blog/?p=25</a> [difrnt.com] will automatically copy the files out of the Windows Temp Directory when you do the restore on your iPhone in order to get the device. You don't need to perform a regular restore, just a DFU restore in order to obtain you iBEC and iBSS files (the guide tells you to restore once, normally, then once in DFU mode).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Download the purplera1n tool and then unlock using ultraSnow using the guide here : http : //www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php ? enid = 4253 [ iclarified.com ] The only problem with this hack is that Winterboard still does n't work .
For that you will want to wait until the iPhone Dev Team releases their updates .
The Dev team STRONGLY RECOMMENDS that you obtain your IBEC/IBSS files and described on http : //blog.iphone-dev.org/post/133799347/your-3gs-temporary-solution [ iphone-dev.org ] with a windows tutorial here : http : //www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php ? enid = 4399 [ iclarified.com ] This program found here http : //difrnt.com/blog/ ? p = 25 [ difrnt.com ] will automatically copy the files out of the Windows Temp Directory when you do the restore on your iPhone in order to get the device .
You do n't need to perform a regular restore , just a DFU restore in order to obtain you iBEC and iBSS files ( the guide tells you to restore once , normally , then once in DFU mode ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Download the purplera1n tool and then unlock using ultraSnow using the guide here: http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=4253 [iclarified.com]
 
The only problem with this hack is that Winterboard still doesn't work.
For that you will want to wait until the iPhone Dev Team releases their updates.
The Dev team STRONGLY RECOMMENDS that you obtain your IBEC/IBSS files and described on http://blog.iphone-dev.org/post/133799347/your-3gs-temporary-solution [iphone-dev.org] with a windows tutorial here: http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=4399 [iclarified.com]
 
This program found here http://difrnt.com/blog/?p=25 [difrnt.com] will automatically copy the files out of the Windows Temp Directory when you do the restore on your iPhone in order to get the device.
You don't need to perform a regular restore, just a DFU restore in order to obtain you iBEC and iBSS files (the guide tells you to restore once, normally, then once in DFU mode).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28592897</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>FictionPimp</author>
	<datestamp>1246884960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was thinking about this last night. You can install any software you want on your phone by buying a iphone dev account (enterprise or personal). It skips the app store and you don't need apple to approve it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was thinking about this last night .
You can install any software you want on your phone by buying a iphone dev account ( enterprise or personal ) .
It skips the app store and you do n't need apple to approve it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was thinking about this last night.
You can install any software you want on your phone by buying a iphone dev account (enterprise or personal).
It skips the app store and you don't need apple to approve it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590233</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28592147</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>mellon</author>
	<datestamp>1246873320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with the OpenMoko was that it didn't work.   And because there was no software to drive it when it was first released, nobody knew it didn't work until after they'd bought one.   I have one in a box under Andrea's marimba.   I really wish I could have gotten it to work, but there were bugs in the hardware, and when they released the new hardware they dropped any further support for the old hardware which, while broken, could have been made to work enough to still be useful.   That was when I bought my iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with the OpenMoko was that it did n't work .
And because there was no software to drive it when it was first released , nobody knew it did n't work until after they 'd bought one .
I have one in a box under Andrea 's marimba .
I really wish I could have gotten it to work , but there were bugs in the hardware , and when they released the new hardware they dropped any further support for the old hardware which , while broken , could have been made to work enough to still be useful .
That was when I bought my iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with the OpenMoko was that it didn't work.
And because there was no software to drive it when it was first released, nobody knew it didn't work until after they'd bought one.
I have one in a box under Andrea's marimba.
I really wish I could have gotten it to work, but there were bugs in the hardware, and when they released the new hardware they dropped any further support for the old hardware which, while broken, could have been made to work enough to still be useful.
That was when I bought my iPhone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590233</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28594337</id>
	<title>Re:The 3GS Unlock is available</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246894500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What people don't get is that the iPhone 3GS update process is different. Updates are signed <b>specifically for each phone</b>. They found a bug in the update bootloader, which means that <b>if</b> apple signs that bootloader for <b>you</b>, then you can jailbreak <b>your</b> phone. Forever. Massive win.</p><p>On the other hand, if Apple releases an update, they'll stop signing the old version. If they fix the bug with the update, you've just lost the jailbreak opportunity for every single phone that you haven't already jailbroken. An update was expected soon and new phones would be shipping that version. Massive loss.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What people do n't get is that the iPhone 3GS update process is different .
Updates are signed specifically for each phone .
They found a bug in the update bootloader , which means that if apple signs that bootloader for you , then you can jailbreak your phone .
Forever. Massive win.On the other hand , if Apple releases an update , they 'll stop signing the old version .
If they fix the bug with the update , you 've just lost the jailbreak opportunity for every single phone that you have n't already jailbroken .
An update was expected soon and new phones would be shipping that version .
Massive loss .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What people don't get is that the iPhone 3GS update process is different.
Updates are signed specifically for each phone.
They found a bug in the update bootloader, which means that if apple signs that bootloader for you, then you can jailbreak your phone.
Forever. Massive win.On the other hand, if Apple releases an update, they'll stop signing the old version.
If they fix the bug with the update, you've just lost the jailbreak opportunity for every single phone that you haven't already jailbroken.
An update was expected soon and new phones would be shipping that version.
Massive loss.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590747</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590001</id>
	<title>Re:Hey guys,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246804020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ask here: <a href="http://img.4chan.org/b/" title="4chan.org" rel="nofollow">http://img.4chan.org/b/</a> [4chan.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ask here : http : //img.4chan.org/b/ [ 4chan.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ask here: http://img.4chan.org/b/ [4chan.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28589973</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590307</id>
	<title>Mine's hacked and unlocked</title>
	<author>johntdavies</author>
	<datestamp>1246808040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been watching this carefully. I bought the original iPhone in the US before they made you sign up for AT&amp;T in the store, I'm English but these didn't sell them out of the US at the time but as the dollar was so low they were extremely cheap (for us). For several months I used it a rather nice iPod until a rather complex jailbreak and unlock came out later that year. From then on my new Nokia E90 was put in a draw and I became a proud iPhone owner. For many more months it remained unavailable outside the US and it became a show piece in meetings.

I didn't get the 3G, mainly because it remained un-hackable for some time but last month I was in line outside the London Apple store at 7:30am waiting to get my hands on a new 3GS. For the last few weeks I've been walking around with two iPhones, one old one with my Vodafone card in it and one new one with a pay-as-you-go (&#194;&pound;10/month) O2 card in it.

Tonight I downloaded the Purplera1n (mac version), connected my 3GS to my Mac, backed it up and clicked on the "Make it Ra1n" button. A couple or re-boots later, some 5 minutes and I was the proud owner of a jailbroken iPhone 3GS. I downloaded Ultrasn0w on Cydia, installed it, rebooted and inserted my UK Vodafone SIM and it's now all working perfectly.

I wouldn't recommend doing this unless you really need to, I could have switched to O2 but I think they rip people off with their data prices (as do AT&amp;T), I can get a full 7.2 meg HSDPA and UPA where I live on Vodafone compared to O2's rather slow 3G service. Although most people I know are using a hack to tether their 3GS on O2 I've been doing this on Vodafone for some ten years now starting with my trusty Psion and an RS232 link to my old Nokia phones, sadly that was still faster than today's data service on AT&amp;T though in most of the US.

If you're adventurous or want to have a bit more flexibility over your provider then go for the jailbreak and unlock, I can verify that it works on the iPhone 3GS.

-John-
@jtdavies</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been watching this carefully .
I bought the original iPhone in the US before they made you sign up for AT&amp;T in the store , I 'm English but these did n't sell them out of the US at the time but as the dollar was so low they were extremely cheap ( for us ) .
For several months I used it a rather nice iPod until a rather complex jailbreak and unlock came out later that year .
From then on my new Nokia E90 was put in a draw and I became a proud iPhone owner .
For many more months it remained unavailable outside the US and it became a show piece in meetings .
I did n't get the 3G , mainly because it remained un-hackable for some time but last month I was in line outside the London Apple store at 7 : 30am waiting to get my hands on a new 3GS .
For the last few weeks I 've been walking around with two iPhones , one old one with my Vodafone card in it and one new one with a pay-as-you-go (     10/month ) O2 card in it .
Tonight I downloaded the Purplera1n ( mac version ) , connected my 3GS to my Mac , backed it up and clicked on the " Make it Ra1n " button .
A couple or re-boots later , some 5 minutes and I was the proud owner of a jailbroken iPhone 3GS .
I downloaded Ultrasn0w on Cydia , installed it , rebooted and inserted my UK Vodafone SIM and it 's now all working perfectly .
I would n't recommend doing this unless you really need to , I could have switched to O2 but I think they rip people off with their data prices ( as do AT&amp;T ) , I can get a full 7.2 meg HSDPA and UPA where I live on Vodafone compared to O2 's rather slow 3G service .
Although most people I know are using a hack to tether their 3GS on O2 I 've been doing this on Vodafone for some ten years now starting with my trusty Psion and an RS232 link to my old Nokia phones , sadly that was still faster than today 's data service on AT&amp;T though in most of the US .
If you 're adventurous or want to have a bit more flexibility over your provider then go for the jailbreak and unlock , I can verify that it works on the iPhone 3GS .
-John- @ jtdavies</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been watching this carefully.
I bought the original iPhone in the US before they made you sign up for AT&amp;T in the store, I'm English but these didn't sell them out of the US at the time but as the dollar was so low they were extremely cheap (for us).
For several months I used it a rather nice iPod until a rather complex jailbreak and unlock came out later that year.
From then on my new Nokia E90 was put in a draw and I became a proud iPhone owner.
For many more months it remained unavailable outside the US and it became a show piece in meetings.
I didn't get the 3G, mainly because it remained un-hackable for some time but last month I was in line outside the London Apple store at 7:30am waiting to get my hands on a new 3GS.
For the last few weeks I've been walking around with two iPhones, one old one with my Vodafone card in it and one new one with a pay-as-you-go (Â£10/month) O2 card in it.
Tonight I downloaded the Purplera1n (mac version), connected my 3GS to my Mac, backed it up and clicked on the "Make it Ra1n" button.
A couple or re-boots later, some 5 minutes and I was the proud owner of a jailbroken iPhone 3GS.
I downloaded Ultrasn0w on Cydia, installed it, rebooted and inserted my UK Vodafone SIM and it's now all working perfectly.
I wouldn't recommend doing this unless you really need to, I could have switched to O2 but I think they rip people off with their data prices (as do AT&amp;T), I can get a full 7.2 meg HSDPA and UPA where I live on Vodafone compared to O2's rather slow 3G service.
Although most people I know are using a hack to tether their 3GS on O2 I've been doing this on Vodafone for some ten years now starting with my trusty Psion and an RS232 link to my old Nokia phones, sadly that was still faster than today's data service on AT&amp;T though in most of the US.
If you're adventurous or want to have a bit more flexibility over your provider then go for the jailbreak and unlock, I can verify that it works on the iPhone 3GS.
-John-
@jtdavies</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28592113</id>
	<title>Re:why doing this?</title>
	<author>justinlee37</author>
	<datestamp>1246872900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Evil" is probably putting it a little strongly. Adolf Hitler is evil. Josef Stalin is evil. Satan is evil. Corporate executives chasing their next bonus are pretty mild when compared to evil. Like it or not the world isn't black and white and to pretend so is to become evil yourself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Evil " is probably putting it a little strongly .
Adolf Hitler is evil .
Josef Stalin is evil .
Satan is evil .
Corporate executives chasing their next bonus are pretty mild when compared to evil .
Like it or not the world is n't black and white and to pretend so is to become evil yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Evil" is probably putting it a little strongly.
Adolf Hitler is evil.
Josef Stalin is evil.
Satan is evil.
Corporate executives chasing their next bonus are pretty mild when compared to evil.
Like it or not the world isn't black and white and to pretend so is to become evil yourself.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590673</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590499</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>TomRK1089</author>
	<datestamp>1246810140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Apple comes from the tradition where hardware is just a platform for software.</p></div><p>That's totally why Apple allows you to install OSX on any platform, and why no one cares about the shiny brushed aluminum cases or paying extra for getting a black MacBook instead of a white one -- because dammit, no one cares about the hardware!

Seriously, though, my bad attempt at snark aside, isn't the Apple philosophy high-quality hardware that you never have to muck around with? Isn't that their justification for the somewhat higher prices?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple comes from the tradition where hardware is just a platform for software.That 's totally why Apple allows you to install OSX on any platform , and why no one cares about the shiny brushed aluminum cases or paying extra for getting a black MacBook instead of a white one -- because dammit , no one cares about the hardware !
Seriously , though , my bad attempt at snark aside , is n't the Apple philosophy high-quality hardware that you never have to muck around with ?
Is n't that their justification for the somewhat higher prices ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple comes from the tradition where hardware is just a platform for software.That's totally why Apple allows you to install OSX on any platform, and why no one cares about the shiny brushed aluminum cases or paying extra for getting a black MacBook instead of a white one -- because dammit, no one cares about the hardware!
Seriously, though, my bad attempt at snark aside, isn't the Apple philosophy high-quality hardware that you never have to muck around with?
Isn't that their justification for the somewhat higher prices?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590233</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28593349</id>
	<title>Re:Wondering what is jailbreak is...</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1246888440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Jailbreaking has absolutely nothing to do with FreeBSD jails.  It's actually a very stupid term.  What they mean, is that someone has found a root exploit on the iPhone, which can be used to allow the user to install and run arbitrary code.  Darwin does not incorporate FreeBSD jails.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Jailbreaking has absolutely nothing to do with FreeBSD jails .
It 's actually a very stupid term .
What they mean , is that someone has found a root exploit on the iPhone , which can be used to allow the user to install and run arbitrary code .
Darwin does not incorporate FreeBSD jails .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jailbreaking has absolutely nothing to do with FreeBSD jails.
It's actually a very stupid term.
What they mean, is that someone has found a root exploit on the iPhone, which can be used to allow the user to install and run arbitrary code.
Darwin does not incorporate FreeBSD jails.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590903</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590401</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246808940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a legally unlocked G1. I'm using a T-Mobile pay as you go SIM and using Wifi for my dataplan. I expect I could probably get an AT&amp;T plan if I so desired. The app store is merely a simple-to-use gateway; you can install an android app from anywhere.</p><p>How's that controlled by T-Mobile again?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a legally unlocked G1 .
I 'm using a T-Mobile pay as you go SIM and using Wifi for my dataplan .
I expect I could probably get an AT&amp;T plan if I so desired .
The app store is merely a simple-to-use gateway ; you can install an android app from anywhere.How 's that controlled by T-Mobile again ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a legally unlocked G1.
I'm using a T-Mobile pay as you go SIM and using Wifi for my dataplan.
I expect I could probably get an AT&amp;T plan if I so desired.
The app store is merely a simple-to-use gateway; you can install an android app from anywhere.How's that controlled by T-Mobile again?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590233</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28591119</id>
	<title>Wow</title>
	<author>ponraul</author>
	<datestamp>1246817220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"a user will be able to customize the iPhone with home-screen wallpapers and third-party ringtones. "</p><p>Holly shit: custom wallpapers and custom ringtones! Thanks for reminding me again why I got a G1.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" a user will be able to customize the iPhone with home-screen wallpapers and third-party ringtones .
" Holly shit : custom wallpapers and custom ringtones !
Thanks for reminding me again why I got a G1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"a user will be able to customize the iPhone with home-screen wallpapers and third-party ringtones.
"Holly shit: custom wallpapers and custom ringtones!
Thanks for reminding me again why I got a G1.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28591321</id>
	<title>Symbian Signed</title>
	<author>krischik</author>
	<datestamp>1246819140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Have you ever heard of Symbian Signed? No - then google for it - you will then see that instead of having all applications authorised you need the more interesting applications to be signed, and the very interesting applications signed and approved. Of I have never heard of an application getting improvement for the "AllFiles" privilege.</p><p>This is not to say that the N97 was the wrong choice - all phones have a protection mechanism to prevent the not so bright user to install malware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever heard of Symbian Signed ?
No - then google for it - you will then see that instead of having all applications authorised you need the more interesting applications to be signed , and the very interesting applications signed and approved .
Of I have never heard of an application getting improvement for the " AllFiles " privilege.This is not to say that the N97 was the wrong choice - all phones have a protection mechanism to prevent the not so bright user to install malware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you ever heard of Symbian Signed?
No - then google for it - you will then see that instead of having all applications authorised you need the more interesting applications to be signed, and the very interesting applications signed and approved.
Of I have never heard of an application getting improvement for the "AllFiles" privilege.This is not to say that the N97 was the wrong choice - all phones have a protection mechanism to prevent the not so bright user to install malware.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590673</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590073</id>
	<title>Re:Hey guys,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246804800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do him and yourself a favor.  Kill yourself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do him and yourself a favor .
Kill yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do him and yourself a favor.
Kill yourself.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28589973</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28589993</id>
	<title>Don't need to jailbreak for wallpaper/ring tones</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246803960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can set the wallpaper and use third party ring tones without jailbreaking an iPhone. Apple doesn't restrict them THAT much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can set the wallpaper and use third party ring tones without jailbreaking an iPhone .
Apple does n't restrict them THAT much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can set the wallpaper and use third party ring tones without jailbreaking an iPhone.
Apple doesn't restrict them THAT much.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590681</id>
	<title>Don't spend it all in one place</title>
	<author>fragMasterFlash</author>
	<datestamp>1246812540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hey Mr. Jobs, whatever are you planning to buy with the money you make off of me? Oh wait, you don't get a single dime from me due to your draconian lockdown policies. Your brand of cool I can do without.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey Mr. Jobs , whatever are you planning to buy with the money you make off of me ?
Oh wait , you do n't get a single dime from me due to your draconian lockdown policies .
Your brand of cool I can do without .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey Mr. Jobs, whatever are you planning to buy with the money you make off of me?
Oh wait, you don't get a single dime from me due to your draconian lockdown policies.
Your brand of cool I can do without.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28593679</id>
	<title>There's nothing to "learn"</title>
	<author>yabos</author>
	<datestamp>1246890540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apple is doing extremely well with what they're doing.  I don't think they really care about the small single digit percentage of people that want to jail break.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple is doing extremely well with what they 're doing .
I do n't think they really care about the small single digit percentage of people that want to jail break .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple is doing extremely well with what they're doing.
I don't think they really care about the small single digit percentage of people that want to jail break.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590673</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590413</id>
	<title>Re:Hey guys,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246809180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I love the counter to <a href="http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/07/05/1546214" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow"> this.</a> [slashdot.org] <br>
<br>
I will say this though.  Heavy metal rules and I would gladly fuck you with a broom handle.  Or maybe my nun chucks.
Or maybe I would fuck you in the ass with a fucking sword you piece of shit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I love the counter to this .
[ slashdot.org ] I will say this though .
Heavy metal rules and I would gladly fuck you with a broom handle .
Or maybe my nun chucks .
Or maybe I would fuck you in the ass with a fucking sword you piece of shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I love the counter to  this.
[slashdot.org] 

I will say this though.
Heavy metal rules and I would gladly fuck you with a broom handle.
Or maybe my nun chucks.
Or maybe I would fuck you in the ass with a fucking sword you piece of shit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28589973</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28592579</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>databyss</author>
	<datestamp>1246880340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Selling your freedom of choice to faceless mega-corp?</p><p>There's an app for that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Selling your freedom of choice to faceless mega-corp ? There 's an app for that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Selling your freedom of choice to faceless mega-corp?There's an app for that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590137</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28589973</id>
	<title>Hey guys,</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246803540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
My name is Jenna, and I'm asking every single one of you to help me. My boyfriend is this skinny, greasy-haired guido who spends every second of his day looking at his stupid ass hair. He is everything bad with today's youth. Honestly, do all men brag about having fucked their "bitches" last night? I mean, I guess it's because of peer pressure and trying to be accepted, but he takes it to a whole new level. This is even worse than drinking beer all day and listening to Heavy Metal.

</p><p>

Don't ignore me. Please, help me. I'm pretty much desperate. I was a regular at the literature club, and vice-president of the science club. I also had a thing for classical music? I used to get straight A's, that is, before I met him (He just made me blow him; Shit was SO gross). He's a faggot, and I want to kill him. Please help me!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My name is Jenna , and I 'm asking every single one of you to help me .
My boyfriend is this skinny , greasy-haired guido who spends every second of his day looking at his stupid ass hair .
He is everything bad with today 's youth .
Honestly , do all men brag about having fucked their " bitches " last night ?
I mean , I guess it 's because of peer pressure and trying to be accepted , but he takes it to a whole new level .
This is even worse than drinking beer all day and listening to Heavy Metal .
Do n't ignore me .
Please , help me .
I 'm pretty much desperate .
I was a regular at the literature club , and vice-president of the science club .
I also had a thing for classical music ?
I used to get straight A 's , that is , before I met him ( He just made me blow him ; Shit was SO gross ) .
He 's a faggot , and I want to kill him .
Please help me !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
My name is Jenna, and I'm asking every single one of you to help me.
My boyfriend is this skinny, greasy-haired guido who spends every second of his day looking at his stupid ass hair.
He is everything bad with today's youth.
Honestly, do all men brag about having fucked their "bitches" last night?
I mean, I guess it's because of peer pressure and trying to be accepted, but he takes it to a whole new level.
This is even worse than drinking beer all day and listening to Heavy Metal.
Don't ignore me.
Please, help me.
I'm pretty much desperate.
I was a regular at the literature club, and vice-president of the science club.
I also had a thing for classical music?
I used to get straight A's, that is, before I met him (He just made me blow him; Shit was SO gross).
He's a faggot, and I want to kill him.
Please help me!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28593623</id>
	<title>Just works? Is that all?</title>
	<author>mdwh2</author>
	<datestamp>1246890120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A device that has to be hacked to get basic features working is "Just Works"? Well yes, I suppose it "Just works" in that it makes phone calls, and anything else is a bonus. I would hope that the standard here on Slashdot for high end expensive phones is something that can do more than just working.</p><p>I want a phone that Just Works, Out Of The Box. No messing about with hacks, it's as bad as fiddling around with extra cables... I get "device freedom, works, and does a whole lot more" with my Motorola V980 phone (which is a cheap years old phone, nothing special).</p><p>I've nothing against the Iphone - I just find it odd that the features that are trumpted as being its advantages are actually the things that are its major disadvantages (similar with the claims about its UI - when it misses something as fundamental as copy/paste). I mean, I can understanding giving up one feature because it is better in other areas (well, kind of - when those features are available as standard on even cheap phones, it seems odd to give them up when you're spending vastly more, but anyway), but that's not what I see happening here.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A device that has to be hacked to get basic features working is " Just Works " ?
Well yes , I suppose it " Just works " in that it makes phone calls , and anything else is a bonus .
I would hope that the standard here on Slashdot for high end expensive phones is something that can do more than just working.I want a phone that Just Works , Out Of The Box .
No messing about with hacks , it 's as bad as fiddling around with extra cables... I get " device freedom , works , and does a whole lot more " with my Motorola V980 phone ( which is a cheap years old phone , nothing special ) .I 've nothing against the Iphone - I just find it odd that the features that are trumpted as being its advantages are actually the things that are its major disadvantages ( similar with the claims about its UI - when it misses something as fundamental as copy/paste ) .
I mean , I can understanding giving up one feature because it is better in other areas ( well , kind of - when those features are available as standard on even cheap phones , it seems odd to give them up when you 're spending vastly more , but anyway ) , but that 's not what I see happening here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A device that has to be hacked to get basic features working is "Just Works"?
Well yes, I suppose it "Just works" in that it makes phone calls, and anything else is a bonus.
I would hope that the standard here on Slashdot for high end expensive phones is something that can do more than just working.I want a phone that Just Works, Out Of The Box.
No messing about with hacks, it's as bad as fiddling around with extra cables... I get "device freedom, works, and does a whole lot more" with my Motorola V980 phone (which is a cheap years old phone, nothing special).I've nothing against the Iphone - I just find it odd that the features that are trumpted as being its advantages are actually the things that are its major disadvantages (similar with the claims about its UI - when it misses something as fundamental as copy/paste).
I mean, I can understanding giving up one feature because it is better in other areas (well, kind of - when those features are available as standard on even cheap phones, it seems odd to give them up when you're spending vastly more, but anyway), but that's not what I see happening here.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590229</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590233</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246806720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, because you are interested in getting work done, not running porn programs.
<p>
In any case, there are no widely available phones that are truly open. The G1 is controlled by T-mobile, and t-mobile can change features as it wishes.  The same is true for the pre.    Any freedom has one has is an illusion.  The only open platfor I have seen is something like the Open Moko, which, apparently, no one wanted.
</p><p>
I also might suggest that matter of openess has taken a change in times of the script kiddie.  Now, a phoneis open if it can be hacked using script kiddie tools, or if one can download a program that will let one do something that generally cannot be done.  This is not useful, and are really just indicative of children having temper trantrums because they can't have another piece of candy.
</p><p>
In a more traditional sense, open means that almost anyone can write software.  This is where Apple has always been better than some other companies.  Apple comes from the tradition where hardware is just a platform for software.  Therefore the hardware is controlled while the software is extremely well documented and most tools very cheap or freely available.  The G1 and pre are of the same ilk.  However, as Apple is commercial enterprise, it does charge $100 a year for the developer.  My understanding is that this allow the developer to not only test on the personal iPhone or iPod Touch, but on up to 100 phones.  Far from controlling software that can be run, Apples is provided, for $100, the tools one needs to write and deploy code. Android is very competitive here, with the Eclipse IDE plugin.  I don't know if the Pre is competitive.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , because you are interested in getting work done , not running porn programs .
In any case , there are no widely available phones that are truly open .
The G1 is controlled by T-mobile , and t-mobile can change features as it wishes .
The same is true for the pre .
Any freedom has one has is an illusion .
The only open platfor I have seen is something like the Open Moko , which , apparently , no one wanted .
I also might suggest that matter of openess has taken a change in times of the script kiddie .
Now , a phoneis open if it can be hacked using script kiddie tools , or if one can download a program that will let one do something that generally can not be done .
This is not useful , and are really just indicative of children having temper trantrums because they ca n't have another piece of candy .
In a more traditional sense , open means that almost anyone can write software .
This is where Apple has always been better than some other companies .
Apple comes from the tradition where hardware is just a platform for software .
Therefore the hardware is controlled while the software is extremely well documented and most tools very cheap or freely available .
The G1 and pre are of the same ilk .
However , as Apple is commercial enterprise , it does charge $ 100 a year for the developer .
My understanding is that this allow the developer to not only test on the personal iPhone or iPod Touch , but on up to 100 phones .
Far from controlling software that can be run , Apples is provided , for $ 100 , the tools one needs to write and deploy code .
Android is very competitive here , with the Eclipse IDE plugin .
I do n't know if the Pre is competitive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, because you are interested in getting work done, not running porn programs.
In any case, there are no widely available phones that are truly open.
The G1 is controlled by T-mobile, and t-mobile can change features as it wishes.
The same is true for the pre.
Any freedom has one has is an illusion.
The only open platfor I have seen is something like the Open Moko, which, apparently, no one wanted.
I also might suggest that matter of openess has taken a change in times of the script kiddie.
Now, a phoneis open if it can be hacked using script kiddie tools, or if one can download a program that will let one do something that generally cannot be done.
This is not useful, and are really just indicative of children having temper trantrums because they can't have another piece of candy.
In a more traditional sense, open means that almost anyone can write software.
This is where Apple has always been better than some other companies.
Apple comes from the tradition where hardware is just a platform for software.
Therefore the hardware is controlled while the software is extremely well documented and most tools very cheap or freely available.
The G1 and pre are of the same ilk.
However, as Apple is commercial enterprise, it does charge $100 a year for the developer.
My understanding is that this allow the developer to not only test on the personal iPhone or iPod Touch, but on up to 100 phones.
Far from controlling software that can be run, Apples is provided, for $100, the tools one needs to write and deploy code.
Android is very competitive here, with the Eclipse IDE plugin.
I don't know if the Pre is competitive.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590011</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590507</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>keithpreston</author>
	<datestamp>1246810260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>
 The only open platfor I have seen is something like the Open Moko, which, apparently, no one wanted.
</p></div><p>Open Moko wasn't a platform.   It was an experiment in crowdsourcing software for a phone.    Go figure, no one wants to pay $400 to have to fix bugs to receive a phone call.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only open platfor I have seen is something like the Open Moko , which , apparently , no one wanted .
Open Moko was n't a platform .
It was an experiment in crowdsourcing software for a phone .
Go figure , no one wants to pay $ 400 to have to fix bugs to receive a phone call .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
 The only open platfor I have seen is something like the Open Moko, which, apparently, no one wanted.
Open Moko wasn't a platform.
It was an experiment in crowdsourcing software for a phone.
Go figure, no one wants to pay $400 to have to fix bugs to receive a phone call.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590233</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28589963</id>
	<title>"Finally"!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246803420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, that took a long time... is Apple actually putting real security on these things now? Also, what *doesn't* this jailbreak permit?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , that took a long time... is Apple actually putting real security on these things now ?
Also , what * does n't * this jailbreak permit ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, that took a long time... is Apple actually putting real security on these things now?
Also, what *doesn't* this jailbreak permit?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28594225</id>
	<title>Re:The 3GS Unlock is available</title>
	<author>MrCrassic</author>
	<datestamp>1246893840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I really wish that Apple would approve an official Terminal and SSH client in the App Store. Having both services running on my iPhone (when I had one) made it a thousand times more useful, especially considering that I could NOT, for the life of me, find a task manager for it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really wish that Apple would approve an official Terminal and SSH client in the App Store .
Having both services running on my iPhone ( when I had one ) made it a thousand times more useful , especially considering that I could NOT , for the life of me , find a task manager for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really wish that Apple would approve an official Terminal and SSH client in the App Store.
Having both services running on my iPhone (when I had one) made it a thousand times more useful, especially considering that I could NOT, for the life of me, find a task manager for it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590175</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590727</id>
	<title>Re:err, why?</title>
	<author>hedwards</author>
	<datestamp>1246813080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Well, because you are interested in getting work done, not running porn programs.
</p><p>
In any case, there are no widely available phones that are truly open. The G1 is controlled by T-mobile, and t-mobile can change features as it wishes.  The same is true for the pre.    Any freedom has one has is an illusion.  The only open platfor I have seen is something like the Open Moko, which, apparently, no one wanted.
</p></div><p>Umm, what? Hardly anybody buys the Open Moko offerings because they're not yet finished. Unless I've missed something they're not at the point where one can reasonably expect to use one as a day to day device without some sort of back up.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , because you are interested in getting work done , not running porn programs .
In any case , there are no widely available phones that are truly open .
The G1 is controlled by T-mobile , and t-mobile can change features as it wishes .
The same is true for the pre .
Any freedom has one has is an illusion .
The only open platfor I have seen is something like the Open Moko , which , apparently , no one wanted .
Umm , what ?
Hardly anybody buys the Open Moko offerings because they 're not yet finished .
Unless I 've missed something they 're not at the point where one can reasonably expect to use one as a day to day device without some sort of back up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, because you are interested in getting work done, not running porn programs.
In any case, there are no widely available phones that are truly open.
The G1 is controlled by T-mobile, and t-mobile can change features as it wishes.
The same is true for the pre.
Any freedom has one has is an illusion.
The only open platfor I have seen is something like the Open Moko, which, apparently, no one wanted.
Umm, what?
Hardly anybody buys the Open Moko offerings because they're not yet finished.
Unless I've missed something they're not at the point where one can reasonably expect to use one as a day to day device without some sort of back up.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_2112245.28590233</parent>
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