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	<title>Pirate Party Coming To Canada</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1246784880000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"After scoring a surprise electoral win in Sweden and getting high-profile support in Germany, <a href="http://www.piratepartyofcanada.com/">The Pirate Party</a> is <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/canadianpress/article/ALeqM5jWUvBM5C13QP1GPNoo8DchgsAufw">coming to Canada</a>.  The party's goals are fairly simple. People should have the right to share and copy music, movies and virtually any material, as long as it is for personal use, not for profit.  It opposes government and corporate monitoring of Internet activities, unless as part of a criminal investigation. It also wants to phase out patents."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " After scoring a surprise electoral win in Sweden and getting high-profile support in Germany , The Pirate Party is coming to Canada .
The party 's goals are fairly simple .
People should have the right to share and copy music , movies and virtually any material , as long as it is for personal use , not for profit .
It opposes government and corporate monitoring of Internet activities , unless as part of a criminal investigation .
It also wants to phase out patents .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "After scoring a surprise electoral win in Sweden and getting high-profile support in Germany, The Pirate Party is coming to Canada.
The party's goals are fairly simple.
People should have the right to share and copy music, movies and virtually any material, as long as it is for personal use, not for profit.
It opposes government and corporate monitoring of Internet activities, unless as part of a criminal investigation.
It also wants to phase out patents.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28598665</id>
	<title>Re:The neoconservatives are laughing</title>
	<author>unlametheweak</author>
	<datestamp>1246913520000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Both the Liberal Party and the Conservative Party are centrist parties</p></div><p>You obviously don't know ANY of their policy decisions.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>So to review the Liberal party is a centrist slightly leftist party.</p></div><p>It is obvious that everybody who is replying to me either has no education in politics or has an extreme right-wing perspective and agenda.</p><p>You and the other people who claim that the Liberals and the Conservatives are not right wing reminds me of the Religious Fundamentalists in the USA who claim that people who dismiss Intelligent Design are merely too biased to accept science that doesn't match their atheistic beliefs.</p><p>On the other hand, I do agree on your last statement (although so far most people here have claim that the NDP is extremist left wing, which means they are lying or are completely ignorant to the actual policy changes and non-changes that went into effect when they were elected into positions of power in provincial and municipal elections).</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The Bloc Quebecois Party is a slightly right of center</p></div><p>They are in a class of themselves with a very regional agenda, so I didn't say too much about them.</p><p>Your next statement comes closer to reality (about the Conservatives):</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The Conservatives had this problem, but they amalgamated the Progressive Conservatives (slightly right of center) and the Alliance/Reform Parties (Far right of center).</p></div><p>Unfortunately many of the moderates left after the amalgamation. I don't think the average Canadian realizes that the Conservatives haven't been as extremist as they could have been because they only had a small majority the last election, and are in a minority at present. Unlike in my own province of Ontario where they didn't give a shit about anything or anybody but their own agenda and basically paralleled the arrogance and incompetence of the Bush administration in the US.</p><p>To put things in overall context I will comment on the line from your other posted comment, </p><p><div class="quote"><p>Him being gay and the Alliance being pretty much anti-gay I am sure had something to do with that. (Yes that is how Centric that PC party was in that they almost had a gay leader).</p></div><p>A lot of things like sexual preference don't make a big deal; if people are good at getting votes, etc then the party will use them. A lot of leaders of Hitler's SA were homosexual, and so too many Republicans in the US are gay, black, woman, etc. (I will explicitly note that Hitler purged the SA mainly because of outside pressure; i.e. the military who was his biggest threat at the time).</p></div>
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<tokenext>Both the Liberal Party and the Conservative Party are centrist partiesYou obviously do n't know ANY of their policy decisions.So to review the Liberal party is a centrist slightly leftist party.It is obvious that everybody who is replying to me either has no education in politics or has an extreme right-wing perspective and agenda.You and the other people who claim that the Liberals and the Conservatives are not right wing reminds me of the Religious Fundamentalists in the USA who claim that people who dismiss Intelligent Design are merely too biased to accept science that does n't match their atheistic beliefs.On the other hand , I do agree on your last statement ( although so far most people here have claim that the NDP is extremist left wing , which means they are lying or are completely ignorant to the actual policy changes and non-changes that went into effect when they were elected into positions of power in provincial and municipal elections ) .The Bloc Quebecois Party is a slightly right of centerThey are in a class of themselves with a very regional agenda , so I did n't say too much about them.Your next statement comes closer to reality ( about the Conservatives ) : The Conservatives had this problem , but they amalgamated the Progressive Conservatives ( slightly right of center ) and the Alliance/Reform Parties ( Far right of center ) .Unfortunately many of the moderates left after the amalgamation .
I do n't think the average Canadian realizes that the Conservatives have n't been as extremist as they could have been because they only had a small majority the last election , and are in a minority at present .
Unlike in my own province of Ontario where they did n't give a shit about anything or anybody but their own agenda and basically paralleled the arrogance and incompetence of the Bush administration in the US.To put things in overall context I will comment on the line from your other posted comment , Him being gay and the Alliance being pretty much anti-gay I am sure had something to do with that .
( Yes that is how Centric that PC party was in that they almost had a gay leader ) .A lot of things like sexual preference do n't make a big deal ; if people are good at getting votes , etc then the party will use them .
A lot of leaders of Hitler 's SA were homosexual , and so too many Republicans in the US are gay , black , woman , etc .
( I will explicitly note that Hitler purged the SA mainly because of outside pressure ; i.e .
the military who was his biggest threat at the time ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Both the Liberal Party and the Conservative Party are centrist partiesYou obviously don't know ANY of their policy decisions.So to review the Liberal party is a centrist slightly leftist party.It is obvious that everybody who is replying to me either has no education in politics or has an extreme right-wing perspective and agenda.You and the other people who claim that the Liberals and the Conservatives are not right wing reminds me of the Religious Fundamentalists in the USA who claim that people who dismiss Intelligent Design are merely too biased to accept science that doesn't match their atheistic beliefs.On the other hand, I do agree on your last statement (although so far most people here have claim that the NDP is extremist left wing, which means they are lying or are completely ignorant to the actual policy changes and non-changes that went into effect when they were elected into positions of power in provincial and municipal elections).The Bloc Quebecois Party is a slightly right of centerThey are in a class of themselves with a very regional agenda, so I didn't say too much about them.Your next statement comes closer to reality (about the Conservatives):The Conservatives had this problem, but they amalgamated the Progressive Conservatives (slightly right of center) and the Alliance/Reform Parties (Far right of center).Unfortunately many of the moderates left after the amalgamation.
I don't think the average Canadian realizes that the Conservatives haven't been as extremist as they could have been because they only had a small majority the last election, and are in a minority at present.
Unlike in my own province of Ontario where they didn't give a shit about anything or anybody but their own agenda and basically paralleled the arrogance and incompetence of the Bush administration in the US.To put things in overall context I will comment on the line from your other posted comment, Him being gay and the Alliance being pretty much anti-gay I am sure had something to do with that.
(Yes that is how Centric that PC party was in that they almost had a gay leader).A lot of things like sexual preference don't make a big deal; if people are good at getting votes, etc then the party will use them.
A lot of leaders of Hitler's SA were homosexual, and so too many Republicans in the US are gay, black, woman, etc.
(I will explicitly note that Hitler purged the SA mainly because of outside pressure; i.e.
the military who was his biggest threat at the time).
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	<title>Anyone interested there has been discussions...</title>
	<author>blahplusplus</author>
	<datestamp>1246796940000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>... on at various places like The Globe and mail which have not gotten that much media attention.</p><p>Globes Public policy wiki:</p><p><a href="http://policywiki.theglobeandmail.com/tiki-forums.php" title="theglobeandmail.com">http://policywiki.theglobeandmail.com/tiki-forums.php</a> [theglobeandmail.com]</p><p>Copyright Chat:</p><p><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/download-decade/law-professor-takes-questions-on-copyright/article1141598/" title="theglobeandmail.com">http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/download-decade/law-professor-takes-questions-on-copyright/article1141598/</a> [theglobeandmail.com]</p><p>Fact is copyright as it stands right now is ludicrous for many things, software that ends up being abandonware, game companies that release games and then don't release the source (which should be released so fans of the game can fix and patch the stuff developers didn't bother with, etc).</p><p>We need more John Carmacks in the world that realize that releasing the source doesn't harm you.  He's released the source to nearly all of his game engines so I give him major thanks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... on at various places like The Globe and mail which have not gotten that much media attention.Globes Public policy wiki : http : //policywiki.theglobeandmail.com/tiki-forums.php [ theglobeandmail.com ] Copyright Chat : http : //www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/download-decade/law-professor-takes-questions-on-copyright/article1141598/ [ theglobeandmail.com ] Fact is copyright as it stands right now is ludicrous for many things , software that ends up being abandonware , game companies that release games and then do n't release the source ( which should be released so fans of the game can fix and patch the stuff developers did n't bother with , etc ) .We need more John Carmacks in the world that realize that releasing the source does n't harm you .
He 's released the source to nearly all of his game engines so I give him major thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... on at various places like The Globe and mail which have not gotten that much media attention.Globes Public policy wiki:http://policywiki.theglobeandmail.com/tiki-forums.php [theglobeandmail.com]Copyright Chat:http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/download-decade/law-professor-takes-questions-on-copyright/article1141598/ [theglobeandmail.com]Fact is copyright as it stands right now is ludicrous for many things, software that ends up being abandonware, game companies that release games and then don't release the source (which should be released so fans of the game can fix and patch the stuff developers didn't bother with, etc).We need more John Carmacks in the world that realize that releasing the source doesn't harm you.
He's released the source to nearly all of his game engines so I give him major thanks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585415</id>
	<title>Yes, its Piracy</title>
	<author>DiamondGeezer</author>
	<datestamp>1246791480000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><em>The Pirate Party is coming to Canada. The party's goals are fairly simple.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... It<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... wants to phase out patents.</em> <br> <br>

Of course. What better way for people to be robbed of their intellectual property and the fruits of their hard work than to find that they cannot patent it, so it will be ripped off by the nearest corporation with the deepest pockets.<br> <br>

The Pirate Party of Somalia is similarly opposed to the notion of private shipping and of the notion of the personal liberty of seamen without payment, feeling as it does that the contents of shipowners bank accounts should be freely available to all gun-toting, Allah-fearin' liberators of other people's wealth.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Pirate Party is coming to Canada .
The party 's goals are fairly simple .
... It ... wants to phase out patents .
Of course .
What better way for people to be robbed of their intellectual property and the fruits of their hard work than to find that they can not patent it , so it will be ripped off by the nearest corporation with the deepest pockets .
The Pirate Party of Somalia is similarly opposed to the notion of private shipping and of the notion of the personal liberty of seamen without payment , feeling as it does that the contents of shipowners bank accounts should be freely available to all gun-toting , Allah-fearin ' liberators of other people 's wealth .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Pirate Party is coming to Canada.
The party's goals are fairly simple.
... It ... wants to phase out patents.
Of course.
What better way for people to be robbed of their intellectual property and the fruits of their hard work than to find that they cannot patent it, so it will be ripped off by the nearest corporation with the deepest pockets.
The Pirate Party of Somalia is similarly opposed to the notion of private shipping and of the notion of the personal liberty of seamen without payment, feeling as it does that the contents of shipowners bank accounts should be freely available to all gun-toting, Allah-fearin' liberators of other people's wealth.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585565</id>
	<title>Mod parent up!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1246794300000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>It's just as important!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's just as important !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's just as important!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586077</id>
	<title>Somalia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246804920000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Interesting side issue there regarding pirates and Somalia. Originally what was happening was foreign fishing vessels were seriously encroaching inside their territorial waters and taking all the fish with big factory boats. Somalia having little to no clout at the UN and other places due to a rather "relaxed" governmental structure, was getting no help in getting this stopped, so some of the local fishermen who were being economically devastated started "arresting" the trespassers, same as any other nation would. They also had an apparently legitimate complaint that several nations were illegally dumping toxic and radioactive waste there, because it was easier to get away with it there.</p><p>Of course now, yes, it has changed to just general hijacking, but it started as legit economic self defense.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting side issue there regarding pirates and Somalia .
Originally what was happening was foreign fishing vessels were seriously encroaching inside their territorial waters and taking all the fish with big factory boats .
Somalia having little to no clout at the UN and other places due to a rather " relaxed " governmental structure , was getting no help in getting this stopped , so some of the local fishermen who were being economically devastated started " arresting " the trespassers , same as any other nation would .
They also had an apparently legitimate complaint that several nations were illegally dumping toxic and radioactive waste there , because it was easier to get away with it there.Of course now , yes , it has changed to just general hijacking , but it started as legit economic self defense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting side issue there regarding pirates and Somalia.
Originally what was happening was foreign fishing vessels were seriously encroaching inside their territorial waters and taking all the fish with big factory boats.
Somalia having little to no clout at the UN and other places due to a rather "relaxed" governmental structure, was getting no help in getting this stopped, so some of the local fishermen who were being economically devastated started "arresting" the trespassers, same as any other nation would.
They also had an apparently legitimate complaint that several nations were illegally dumping toxic and radioactive waste there, because it was easier to get away with it there.Of course now, yes, it has changed to just general hijacking, but it started as legit economic self defense.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585703</id>
	<title>Copyright? Personal integrity and privacy!</title>
	<author>pengipengi</author>
	<datestamp>1246798260000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>What made the Pirate Party successful in sweden wasn't, at least as I've seen it, the questions about copyright and "illegal" downloading and copying. What made the Priate Party successful this time is about personal integrity and privacy to the people.</p><p>During last year, the swedish goverment have created laws which allows companies which claims that their work have been downloaded from an IP-address to get all information about the person behind that IP. That law is called IPRED.</p><p>FRA (F&ouml;rsvarets Radioanstalt / National Defence Radio Establishment, in sweden) got a law that allowes them to monitor all traffic on internet that crosses the swedish border, which practially means that they got access to all internet traffic for the people in sweden. Most mayor sites used isn't placed in sweden, like facebook, hotmail... (probably only thepiratebay earlier).</p><p>So the Pirate Party's mayor goal for this election was to work for the privacy of the swedish people.</p><p>(I'm a student from Gothenburg, Sweden)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What made the Pirate Party successful in sweden was n't , at least as I 've seen it , the questions about copyright and " illegal " downloading and copying .
What made the Priate Party successful this time is about personal integrity and privacy to the people.During last year , the swedish goverment have created laws which allows companies which claims that their work have been downloaded from an IP-address to get all information about the person behind that IP .
That law is called IPRED.FRA ( F   rsvarets Radioanstalt / National Defence Radio Establishment , in sweden ) got a law that allowes them to monitor all traffic on internet that crosses the swedish border , which practially means that they got access to all internet traffic for the people in sweden .
Most mayor sites used is n't placed in sweden , like facebook , hotmail... ( probably only thepiratebay earlier ) .So the Pirate Party 's mayor goal for this election was to work for the privacy of the swedish people .
( I 'm a student from Gothenburg , Sweden )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What made the Pirate Party successful in sweden wasn't, at least as I've seen it, the questions about copyright and "illegal" downloading and copying.
What made the Priate Party successful this time is about personal integrity and privacy to the people.During last year, the swedish goverment have created laws which allows companies which claims that their work have been downloaded from an IP-address to get all information about the person behind that IP.
That law is called IPRED.FRA (Försvarets Radioanstalt / National Defence Radio Establishment, in sweden) got a law that allowes them to monitor all traffic on internet that crosses the swedish border, which practially means that they got access to all internet traffic for the people in sweden.
Most mayor sites used isn't placed in sweden, like facebook, hotmail... (probably only thepiratebay earlier).So the Pirate Party's mayor goal for this election was to work for the privacy of the swedish people.
(I'm a student from Gothenburg, Sweden)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28588717</id>
	<title>freeballer</title>
	<author>freeballer</author>
	<datestamp>1246789380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>while I'm no angel when it comes to downloading. Yes, I've downloaded an episode I missed or other things AND I feel that patend/trademarks should be allowed. I think though these guys might as well ask for world peace, curing all deseases and removal of all nuclear arms in the world. I don't like how copyrighted material is enforced, and their rediculous claims of "losses" in court you'll never get what your asking for "pirate party"... You should shoot for a, possibly, acheivable goal such as writting laws that allow for upto 3 copies per household or personal use. THAT COULD HAPPEN</htmltext>
<tokenext>while I 'm no angel when it comes to downloading .
Yes , I 've downloaded an episode I missed or other things AND I feel that patend/trademarks should be allowed .
I think though these guys might as well ask for world peace , curing all deseases and removal of all nuclear arms in the world .
I do n't like how copyrighted material is enforced , and their rediculous claims of " losses " in court you 'll never get what your asking for " pirate party " ... You should shoot for a , possibly , acheivable goal such as writting laws that allow for upto 3 copies per household or personal use .
THAT COULD HAPPEN</tokentext>
<sentencetext>while I'm no angel when it comes to downloading.
Yes, I've downloaded an episode I missed or other things AND I feel that patend/trademarks should be allowed.
I think though these guys might as well ask for world peace, curing all deseases and removal of all nuclear arms in the world.
I don't like how copyrighted material is enforced, and their rediculous claims of "losses" in court you'll never get what your asking for "pirate party"... You should shoot for a, possibly, acheivable goal such as writting laws that allow for upto 3 copies per household or personal use.
THAT COULD HAPPEN</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28594205</id>
	<title>Re:The neoconservatives are laughing</title>
	<author>DarthVain</author>
	<datestamp>1246893780000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Um no. The Liberal Party is certainly NOT a "right-wing" party.</p><p>Both the Liberal Party and the Conservative Party are centrist parties, however the Conservative party is considerably more right of center than the Liberal Party is left of center. So to review the Liberal party is a centrist slightly leftist party.</p><p>The NDP of New Democratic Party is defiantly a left of center party, but is close enough to the center that they erode the Liberal vote.</p><p>The Bloc Quebecois Party is a slightly right of center political party that pretty much has the mandate of looking after Quebec's interests. Its a provincial party that runs federally. They will never have power, but are able to get seats. I doubt they have any representation outside of Quebec.</p><p>The Conservatives had this problem, but they amalgamated the Progressive Conservatives (slightly right of center) and the Alliance/Reform Parties (Far right of center). Strangely enough they are in power right now. This was pretty much the work of Peter McKay who is now a Minister in the Conservative Government. The phrase "Better to rule in hell than serve in Heaven" comes to mind. He isn't PM, but he at least has some power.</p><p>The Green party despite its name is a bit of a dichotomy of sorts. From its policies and principles it is also a centrist party with slight right leanings, with however a "green" environmental slant. However because they try and run a representative in every riding, and they types that seem drawn to this type of party, many of the leaders seem to be your stereotypical tree hugging hippy types, which generally speaking typically have far left views. So while they say one thing, I am not sure this is the actual consensus of their leaders more of a party line.</p><p>The Marijuana Party is a leftist party, and pretty much a joke. They get votes from 3 types of people, stoners, College Kids, and a few people serious about the issue. While being leftist they are essentially a party with only one real goal, which is the legalization of Marijuana. So pretty much one dimensional.</p><p>The new Pirate Party is pretty much like the Marijuana Party. One dimensional with a small voting base and not hope of actually making any difference. Sorry. Heck I might even vote for them, but they pose little threat in our political system. Of the three big parties, only the NDP have made any statements about copyright that is about the same as the Pirate Party so likely would only be taking voters from this segment.</p><p>There are also a host of other parties out there:</p><p>Family Coalition Party - Wacko religious Far Right.<br>Communist Party - Wacko Far Left.</p><p>and a bunch others I am sure.</p><p>However our system is a bit messed up. It is pretty much a two party system, and has been dominated by two parties forever. Only The Conservatives, Liberal, NDP, and Green parties run a representatives in every riding, and I suspect the Green's only do it in a attempt for legitimacy and full party status (which comes money any privileges). The problem is none of the little guys is ever going to win a seat without proportional representation. The problem with getting proportional representation is that most people vote either for the Conservatives (or whatever they call themselves that year) or the Liberals, and both they parties would lose some power to proportional representation, so why would anyone who votes for either party vote for that? Unless the political landscape becomes more fragmented (the opposite seems true, you need to amalgamate to win) I can't ever see Proportional Representation coming to Canada. It seems to be a sort of self reinforcing cycle if you think about it. Because we don't have this, this happens, and because that happens, the first will never happen, repeat.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Um no .
The Liberal Party is certainly NOT a " right-wing " party.Both the Liberal Party and the Conservative Party are centrist parties , however the Conservative party is considerably more right of center than the Liberal Party is left of center .
So to review the Liberal party is a centrist slightly leftist party.The NDP of New Democratic Party is defiantly a left of center party , but is close enough to the center that they erode the Liberal vote.The Bloc Quebecois Party is a slightly right of center political party that pretty much has the mandate of looking after Quebec 's interests .
Its a provincial party that runs federally .
They will never have power , but are able to get seats .
I doubt they have any representation outside of Quebec.The Conservatives had this problem , but they amalgamated the Progressive Conservatives ( slightly right of center ) and the Alliance/Reform Parties ( Far right of center ) .
Strangely enough they are in power right now .
This was pretty much the work of Peter McKay who is now a Minister in the Conservative Government .
The phrase " Better to rule in hell than serve in Heaven " comes to mind .
He is n't PM , but he at least has some power.The Green party despite its name is a bit of a dichotomy of sorts .
From its policies and principles it is also a centrist party with slight right leanings , with however a " green " environmental slant .
However because they try and run a representative in every riding , and they types that seem drawn to this type of party , many of the leaders seem to be your stereotypical tree hugging hippy types , which generally speaking typically have far left views .
So while they say one thing , I am not sure this is the actual consensus of their leaders more of a party line.The Marijuana Party is a leftist party , and pretty much a joke .
They get votes from 3 types of people , stoners , College Kids , and a few people serious about the issue .
While being leftist they are essentially a party with only one real goal , which is the legalization of Marijuana .
So pretty much one dimensional.The new Pirate Party is pretty much like the Marijuana Party .
One dimensional with a small voting base and not hope of actually making any difference .
Sorry. Heck I might even vote for them , but they pose little threat in our political system .
Of the three big parties , only the NDP have made any statements about copyright that is about the same as the Pirate Party so likely would only be taking voters from this segment.There are also a host of other parties out there : Family Coalition Party - Wacko religious Far Right.Communist Party - Wacko Far Left.and a bunch others I am sure.However our system is a bit messed up .
It is pretty much a two party system , and has been dominated by two parties forever .
Only The Conservatives , Liberal , NDP , and Green parties run a representatives in every riding , and I suspect the Green 's only do it in a attempt for legitimacy and full party status ( which comes money any privileges ) .
The problem is none of the little guys is ever going to win a seat without proportional representation .
The problem with getting proportional representation is that most people vote either for the Conservatives ( or whatever they call themselves that year ) or the Liberals , and both they parties would lose some power to proportional representation , so why would anyone who votes for either party vote for that ?
Unless the political landscape becomes more fragmented ( the opposite seems true , you need to amalgamate to win ) I ca n't ever see Proportional Representation coming to Canada .
It seems to be a sort of self reinforcing cycle if you think about it .
Because we do n't have this , this happens , and because that happens , the first will never happen , repeat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um no.
The Liberal Party is certainly NOT a "right-wing" party.Both the Liberal Party and the Conservative Party are centrist parties, however the Conservative party is considerably more right of center than the Liberal Party is left of center.
So to review the Liberal party is a centrist slightly leftist party.The NDP of New Democratic Party is defiantly a left of center party, but is close enough to the center that they erode the Liberal vote.The Bloc Quebecois Party is a slightly right of center political party that pretty much has the mandate of looking after Quebec's interests.
Its a provincial party that runs federally.
They will never have power, but are able to get seats.
I doubt they have any representation outside of Quebec.The Conservatives had this problem, but they amalgamated the Progressive Conservatives (slightly right of center) and the Alliance/Reform Parties (Far right of center).
Strangely enough they are in power right now.
This was pretty much the work of Peter McKay who is now a Minister in the Conservative Government.
The phrase "Better to rule in hell than serve in Heaven" comes to mind.
He isn't PM, but he at least has some power.The Green party despite its name is a bit of a dichotomy of sorts.
From its policies and principles it is also a centrist party with slight right leanings, with however a "green" environmental slant.
However because they try and run a representative in every riding, and they types that seem drawn to this type of party, many of the leaders seem to be your stereotypical tree hugging hippy types, which generally speaking typically have far left views.
So while they say one thing, I am not sure this is the actual consensus of their leaders more of a party line.The Marijuana Party is a leftist party, and pretty much a joke.
They get votes from 3 types of people, stoners, College Kids, and a few people serious about the issue.
While being leftist they are essentially a party with only one real goal, which is the legalization of Marijuana.
So pretty much one dimensional.The new Pirate Party is pretty much like the Marijuana Party.
One dimensional with a small voting base and not hope of actually making any difference.
Sorry. Heck I might even vote for them, but they pose little threat in our political system.
Of the three big parties, only the NDP have made any statements about copyright that is about the same as the Pirate Party so likely would only be taking voters from this segment.There are also a host of other parties out there:Family Coalition Party - Wacko religious Far Right.Communist Party - Wacko Far Left.and a bunch others I am sure.However our system is a bit messed up.
It is pretty much a two party system, and has been dominated by two parties forever.
Only The Conservatives, Liberal, NDP, and Green parties run a representatives in every riding, and I suspect the Green's only do it in a attempt for legitimacy and full party status (which comes money any privileges).
The problem is none of the little guys is ever going to win a seat without proportional representation.
The problem with getting proportional representation is that most people vote either for the Conservatives (or whatever they call themselves that year) or the Liberals, and both they parties would lose some power to proportional representation, so why would anyone who votes for either party vote for that?
Unless the political landscape becomes more fragmented (the opposite seems true, you need to amalgamate to win) I can't ever see Proportional Representation coming to Canada.
It seems to be a sort of self reinforcing cycle if you think about it.
Because we don't have this, this happens, and because that happens, the first will never happen, repeat.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585793</id>
	<title>Re:The neoconservatives are laughing</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1246800180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So our voting system is at fault. Perhaps we should take (dare I say steal) a few ideas from the Swedish system that got the pirates a seat in parliament.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So our voting system is at fault .
Perhaps we should take ( dare I say steal ) a few ideas from the Swedish system that got the pirates a seat in parliament .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So our voting system is at fault.
Perhaps we should take (dare I say steal) a few ideas from the Swedish system that got the pirates a seat in parliament.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28592281</id>
	<title>Re:Multinational Political Party</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246875720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Europe, the Green Party would be something of a multi-national party. As would the various Communist parties.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Europe , the Green Party would be something of a multi-national party .
As would the various Communist parties .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Europe, the Green Party would be something of a multi-national party.
As would the various Communist parties.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586575</id>
	<title>Re:The neoconservatives are laughing</title>
	<author>abigor</author>
	<datestamp>1246812000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The NDP are nowhere near centrist - give your head a shake. They share little in common with the Greens, for example, who until recently under Jim Harris were what is known as "eco-capitalist". This is the very opposite of the NDP, which is almost wholly beholden to the unions.</p><p>And the Liberals, not the Conservatives, are what is known as "Canada's natural governing party", having spent the most time in power since the second world war. They are not considered a right-wing party on any political spectrum.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The NDP are nowhere near centrist - give your head a shake .
They share little in common with the Greens , for example , who until recently under Jim Harris were what is known as " eco-capitalist " .
This is the very opposite of the NDP , which is almost wholly beholden to the unions.And the Liberals , not the Conservatives , are what is known as " Canada 's natural governing party " , having spent the most time in power since the second world war .
They are not considered a right-wing party on any political spectrum .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The NDP are nowhere near centrist - give your head a shake.
They share little in common with the Greens, for example, who until recently under Jim Harris were what is known as "eco-capitalist".
This is the very opposite of the NDP, which is almost wholly beholden to the unions.And the Liberals, not the Conservatives, are what is known as "Canada's natural governing party", having spent the most time in power since the second world war.
They are not considered a right-wing party on any political spectrum.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585353</id>
	<title>Re:The neoconservatives are laughing</title>
	<author>unlametheweak</author>
	<datestamp>1246790400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To elaborate, we have at least 4 (serious) political contenders who are in (or near) the center of the political spectrum here in Canada:<br>- The Marijuana Party<br>- The New Democratic Party<br>- The Green Party<br>- The Pirate Party (the new kid on the block)</p><p>These parties compete primarily with the Liberal Party (Canada's unofficial right-wing party); and the Liberal party is the only party that can offer any serious opposition to the Conservative party (Canada's unofficial neoconservative party), who tends to remain strong unless there is consistent and persistent and extreme scandals and incompetency during their terms in office (sorta like how the Republicans remain quite strong in the US despite their scandals and in-competencies).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To elaborate , we have at least 4 ( serious ) political contenders who are in ( or near ) the center of the political spectrum here in Canada : - The Marijuana Party- The New Democratic Party- The Green Party- The Pirate Party ( the new kid on the block ) These parties compete primarily with the Liberal Party ( Canada 's unofficial right-wing party ) ; and the Liberal party is the only party that can offer any serious opposition to the Conservative party ( Canada 's unofficial neoconservative party ) , who tends to remain strong unless there is consistent and persistent and extreme scandals and incompetency during their terms in office ( sorta like how the Republicans remain quite strong in the US despite their scandals and in-competencies ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To elaborate, we have at least 4 (serious) political contenders who are in (or near) the center of the political spectrum here in Canada:- The Marijuana Party- The New Democratic Party- The Green Party- The Pirate Party (the new kid on the block)These parties compete primarily with the Liberal Party (Canada's unofficial right-wing party); and the Liberal party is the only party that can offer any serious opposition to the Conservative party (Canada's unofficial neoconservative party), who tends to remain strong unless there is consistent and persistent and extreme scandals and incompetency during their terms in office (sorta like how the Republicans remain quite strong in the US despite their scandals and in-competencies).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585629</id>
	<title>Private use as opposed to what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246795740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it's legal to download stuff for private use, what's the incentive for commercial use?  Why buy a cow if milk is free?  Take the example of coin collecting, some coins are worth huge piles of money above and beyond their face value.  In the end, the price is supported by somebody who wants to be able to hold and stare at that particular Roman coin or whatever, to enjoy it "privately".  All the price catalogs etc. are for the purpose of making that coinophile pay for his passion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it 's legal to download stuff for private use , what 's the incentive for commercial use ?
Why buy a cow if milk is free ?
Take the example of coin collecting , some coins are worth huge piles of money above and beyond their face value .
In the end , the price is supported by somebody who wants to be able to hold and stare at that particular Roman coin or whatever , to enjoy it " privately " .
All the price catalogs etc .
are for the purpose of making that coinophile pay for his passion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it's legal to download stuff for private use, what's the incentive for commercial use?
Why buy a cow if milk is free?
Take the example of coin collecting, some coins are worth huge piles of money above and beyond their face value.
In the end, the price is supported by somebody who wants to be able to hold and stare at that particular Roman coin or whatever, to enjoy it "privately".
All the price catalogs etc.
are for the purpose of making that coinophile pay for his passion.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585289</id>
	<title>Everyone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246789500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If everyone can get a copy of a movie as soon as it's released in Russia and share it for other people to download, won't that negatively affect attendance in cinemas and DVD sales in other regions?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If everyone can get a copy of a movie as soon as it 's released in Russia and share it for other people to download , wo n't that negatively affect attendance in cinemas and DVD sales in other regions ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If everyone can get a copy of a movie as soon as it's released in Russia and share it for other people to download, won't that negatively affect attendance in cinemas and DVD sales in other regions?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586619</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, its Piracy</title>
	<author>Plekto</author>
	<datestamp>1246812420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><b>Of course. What better way for people to be robbed of their intellectual property and the fruits of their hard work than to find that they cannot patent it, so it will be ripped off by the nearest corporation with the deepest pockets.</b></p><p>Except it already is by China.  Nothing we can do will stop them from copying it anyways, so all it really does is frustrate the law-abiding.</p><p>And the comment about the U.S. is also true.  We were doing exactly what China is now a hundred+ years ago.  The reason we grew so fast and so large is because everyone and anyone could make anything as fast as they could manage with hardly any rules.  The U.S. ripped off every invention, copyright, and patent on the planet and claimed nearly every last one as our own.</p><p>Then made the rest of the world back down because we had the biggest army and biggest economy.</p><p>Watch history repeat itself over the next hundred years...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course .
What better way for people to be robbed of their intellectual property and the fruits of their hard work than to find that they can not patent it , so it will be ripped off by the nearest corporation with the deepest pockets.Except it already is by China .
Nothing we can do will stop them from copying it anyways , so all it really does is frustrate the law-abiding.And the comment about the U.S. is also true .
We were doing exactly what China is now a hundred + years ago .
The reason we grew so fast and so large is because everyone and anyone could make anything as fast as they could manage with hardly any rules .
The U.S. ripped off every invention , copyright , and patent on the planet and claimed nearly every last one as our own.Then made the rest of the world back down because we had the biggest army and biggest economy.Watch history repeat itself over the next hundred years.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course.
What better way for people to be robbed of their intellectual property and the fruits of their hard work than to find that they cannot patent it, so it will be ripped off by the nearest corporation with the deepest pockets.Except it already is by China.
Nothing we can do will stop them from copying it anyways, so all it really does is frustrate the law-abiding.And the comment about the U.S. is also true.
We were doing exactly what China is now a hundred+ years ago.
The reason we grew so fast and so large is because everyone and anyone could make anything as fast as they could manage with hardly any rules.
The U.S. ripped off every invention, copyright, and patent on the planet and claimed nearly every last one as our own.Then made the rest of the world back down because we had the biggest army and biggest economy.Watch history repeat itself over the next hundred years...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28594393</id>
	<title>Re:The neoconservatives are laughing</title>
	<author>fulldecent</author>
	<datestamp>1246894860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Awesome... do you guys have instant runoff voting so that the voters can vote freely?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Awesome... do you guys have instant runoff voting so that the voters can vote freely ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Awesome... do you guys have instant runoff voting so that the voters can vote freely?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28587025</id>
	<title>Re:Bad idea</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1246817100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I watched the man work on one car.  Among other things, he threw away the jets, redrilled the ports, tapped them, and replaced the jets with his own.  That particular vehicle was less than a total success - after he worked on it, the car only got about 26 mpg.  But, that was a huge improvement over 13 or 14!!</p><p>The old guy is dead now.  At the time, I understood little of what he was doing, and that was just the way he wanted it.  He wasn't about to allow a machinist to go through his shop.</p><p>Two decades later, I wish that I HAD understood what he was doing.  There aren't any cars that large getting the kind of mileage that he was able to get.  While a lot of vehicles get 30+ today, most of them weigh little more than half what the Impalas weighed, and they are using entirely different methods. (Computerization and fuel injection, of course.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I watched the man work on one car .
Among other things , he threw away the jets , redrilled the ports , tapped them , and replaced the jets with his own .
That particular vehicle was less than a total success - after he worked on it , the car only got about 26 mpg .
But , that was a huge improvement over 13 or 14 !
! The old guy is dead now .
At the time , I understood little of what he was doing , and that was just the way he wanted it .
He was n't about to allow a machinist to go through his shop.Two decades later , I wish that I HAD understood what he was doing .
There are n't any cars that large getting the kind of mileage that he was able to get .
While a lot of vehicles get 30 + today , most of them weigh little more than half what the Impalas weighed , and they are using entirely different methods .
( Computerization and fuel injection , of course .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I watched the man work on one car.
Among other things, he threw away the jets, redrilled the ports, tapped them, and replaced the jets with his own.
That particular vehicle was less than a total success - after he worked on it, the car only got about 26 mpg.
But, that was a huge improvement over 13 or 14!
!The old guy is dead now.
At the time, I understood little of what he was doing, and that was just the way he wanted it.
He wasn't about to allow a machinist to go through his shop.Two decades later, I wish that I HAD understood what he was doing.
There aren't any cars that large getting the kind of mileage that he was able to get.
While a lot of vehicles get 30+ today, most of them weigh little more than half what the Impalas weighed, and they are using entirely different methods.
(Computerization and fuel injection, of course.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586609</id>
	<title>I knew it!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246812360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> I knew the pirates were coming!   You didn't listen to my warning!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I knew the pirates were coming !
You did n't listen to my warning !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I knew the pirates were coming!
You didn't listen to my warning!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586493</id>
	<title>Re:Bad idea</title>
	<author>SHaFT7</author>
	<datestamp>1246810920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't believe that for a second.  if GM had that patent a while back, they would have put it on their cars immediately and crushed the competition in mileage.  period</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't believe that for a second .
if GM had that patent a while back , they would have put it on their cars immediately and crushed the competition in mileage .
period</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't believe that for a second.
if GM had that patent a while back, they would have put it on their cars immediately and crushed the competition in mileage.
period</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585749</id>
	<title>There's more to it</title>
	<author>stesch</author>
	<datestamp>1246799040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You are oversimplifying the goals. There's more to it. Or you just repeat what the MSM is reporting about the Pirate Party. But the MSM is in fear right now because they have the most to lose from a success of the Pirate Parties.

Here's the program of the German Piratenpartei: <a href="http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Bundestagswahlprogramm\_Kernthemen" title="piratenpartei.de">http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Bundestagswahlprogramm\_Kernthemen</a> [piratenpartei.de]</htmltext>
<tokenext>You are oversimplifying the goals .
There 's more to it .
Or you just repeat what the MSM is reporting about the Pirate Party .
But the MSM is in fear right now because they have the most to lose from a success of the Pirate Parties .
Here 's the program of the German Piratenpartei : http : //wiki.piratenpartei.de/Bundestagswahlprogramm \ _Kernthemen [ piratenpartei.de ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are oversimplifying the goals.
There's more to it.
Or you just repeat what the MSM is reporting about the Pirate Party.
But the MSM is in fear right now because they have the most to lose from a success of the Pirate Parties.
Here's the program of the German Piratenpartei: http://wiki.piratenpartei.de/Bundestagswahlprogramm\_Kernthemen [piratenpartei.de]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585399</id>
	<title>Re:Australia Too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246791240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And <a href="http://pirateparty.org.uk/" title="pirateparty.org.uk" rel="nofollow">the UK</a> [pirateparty.org.uk].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And the UK [ pirateparty.org.uk ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And the UK [pirateparty.org.uk].</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586515</id>
	<title>Re:As a Canadian, my thoughts</title>
	<author>mdielmann</author>
	<datestamp>1246811160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think patents last about the right length, but stupid crap shouldn't be patentable</p></div><p>If patents were the right length, then the PNG format wouldn't have been created.  It was primarily created to bypass the patented LZW compression algorithm (which is a valid software patent, and one of the few ones) which was owned by Unisys.  IMO, that patent held back that area of the graphics world for about 15 years.<br>If a patent is so long that people would rather intentionally create a method that doesn't use the patented method, and spend up to a decade doing such, then the purpose of patents (limited monopoly to provide an idea to the general public) hasn't been met.<br>My personal opinion is actually pretty close to yours, but I think patents and copyrights should have different durations for different fields.  Let's be honest here, anything in the software world that's more than 5 years old is pretty much a done idea.  Why give patents on software that are longer than that?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think patents last about the right length , but stupid crap should n't be patentableIf patents were the right length , then the PNG format would n't have been created .
It was primarily created to bypass the patented LZW compression algorithm ( which is a valid software patent , and one of the few ones ) which was owned by Unisys .
IMO , that patent held back that area of the graphics world for about 15 years.If a patent is so long that people would rather intentionally create a method that does n't use the patented method , and spend up to a decade doing such , then the purpose of patents ( limited monopoly to provide an idea to the general public ) has n't been met.My personal opinion is actually pretty close to yours , but I think patents and copyrights should have different durations for different fields .
Let 's be honest here , anything in the software world that 's more than 5 years old is pretty much a done idea .
Why give patents on software that are longer than that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think patents last about the right length, but stupid crap shouldn't be patentableIf patents were the right length, then the PNG format wouldn't have been created.
It was primarily created to bypass the patented LZW compression algorithm (which is a valid software patent, and one of the few ones) which was owned by Unisys.
IMO, that patent held back that area of the graphics world for about 15 years.If a patent is so long that people would rather intentionally create a method that doesn't use the patented method, and spend up to a decade doing such, then the purpose of patents (limited monopoly to provide an idea to the general public) hasn't been met.My personal opinion is actually pretty close to yours, but I think patents and copyrights should have different durations for different fields.
Let's be honest here, anything in the software world that's more than 5 years old is pretty much a done idea.
Why give patents on software that are longer than that?
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28590361</id>
	<title>Re:Patents</title>
	<author>AvitarX</author>
	<datestamp>1246808460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In "More Sex is Safer Sex", it is proposed that all patents be put into an open auction.  This would allow for the true market value of an idea to be determined by the market, and for the inventor to get paid.</p><p>After the price is determined the government steps in and buys some percentage of them at the determined price and makes it public domain.  As the entire value of the patent is in the ability to exploit it for higher prices without competition, theoretically the public would break even on the purchase (more taxes, lower prices on goods though).</p><p>The benefit would be that for the government purchased patents, anybody could use them, and various patents could be combined without complex negotiations (see HIV medicinal cocktail).  It would theoretically be zero sum on the purchases, with innovators able to build on each-other much quicker, allowing for more rapid advancement, especially in fast moving fields.</p><p>I doubt it is very palatable, but it sounded like an elegant solution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In " More Sex is Safer Sex " , it is proposed that all patents be put into an open auction .
This would allow for the true market value of an idea to be determined by the market , and for the inventor to get paid.After the price is determined the government steps in and buys some percentage of them at the determined price and makes it public domain .
As the entire value of the patent is in the ability to exploit it for higher prices without competition , theoretically the public would break even on the purchase ( more taxes , lower prices on goods though ) .The benefit would be that for the government purchased patents , anybody could use them , and various patents could be combined without complex negotiations ( see HIV medicinal cocktail ) .
It would theoretically be zero sum on the purchases , with innovators able to build on each-other much quicker , allowing for more rapid advancement , especially in fast moving fields.I doubt it is very palatable , but it sounded like an elegant solution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In "More Sex is Safer Sex", it is proposed that all patents be put into an open auction.
This would allow for the true market value of an idea to be determined by the market, and for the inventor to get paid.After the price is determined the government steps in and buys some percentage of them at the determined price and makes it public domain.
As the entire value of the patent is in the ability to exploit it for higher prices without competition, theoretically the public would break even on the purchase (more taxes, lower prices on goods though).The benefit would be that for the government purchased patents, anybody could use them, and various patents could be combined without complex negotiations (see HIV medicinal cocktail).
It would theoretically be zero sum on the purchases, with innovators able to build on each-other much quicker, allowing for more rapid advancement, especially in fast moving fields.I doubt it is very palatable, but it sounded like an elegant solution.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585375</id>
	<title>Re:The neoconservatives are laughing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246790760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are aware that American neoconservativism is not at all like American Conservatism, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are aware that American neoconservativism is not at all like American Conservatism , right ?
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are aware that American neoconservativism is not at all like American Conservatism, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586715</id>
	<title>Re:It should appeal to the US too</title>
	<author>thygate</author>
	<datestamp>1246813740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Arrr! Math be hard! Let us go pillaging and plundering instead! <br> <br>
Burn down every island in the Caribbean if you have to, but bring me my bride!... and more slaw! Curse the villains, they never give you enough slaw with these value meals. <br>
-- Zombie Pirate LeChuck</htmltext>
<tokenext>Arrr !
Math be hard !
Let us go pillaging and plundering instead !
Burn down every island in the Caribbean if you have to , but bring me my bride ! .. .
and more slaw !
Curse the villains , they never give you enough slaw with these value meals .
-- Zombie Pirate LeChuck</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Arrr!
Math be hard!
Let us go pillaging and plundering instead!
Burn down every island in the Caribbean if you have to, but bring me my bride!...
and more slaw!
Curse the villains, they never give you enough slaw with these value meals.
-- Zombie Pirate LeChuck</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28598971</id>
	<title>Re:Most welcome, Canadian brethren</title>
	<author>nightfire-unique</author>
	<datestamp>1246871820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a Canadian, I can only say: thanks!  We may yet emerge from this dark 10 year period of government.  It does seem like the winds are finally changing.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a Canadian , I can only say : thanks !
We may yet emerge from this dark 10 year period of government .
It does seem like the winds are finally changing .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a Canadian, I can only say: thanks!
We may yet emerge from this dark 10 year period of government.
It does seem like the winds are finally changing.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586475</id>
	<title>Re:As a Canadian, my thoughts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246810740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>That being said, I feel the general idea of copyrights and patents is a sound one. IMO, people should have ownership over ideas and works that they create. An aspect of ownership is the right to deny use of your property to others.</i></p><p>In my opinion, people should not have ownership over ideas, and they already do own the works they create. If you make a painting out of your materials, you own the painting, no question about it. You're trying to deny others the right to use their property to create a work that is similar to your own; a very different issue indeed.</p><p><i>From the Canadian Charter of Rights and freedoms: "Fundamental Freedoms"<br>2.   Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:<nobr> <wbr></nobr><i>....</i> </i></p><p><i>(b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression</i></p><p>You lose a lot of freedom of thought and expression if ideas themselves are owned by others.</p><p><i>I see this in a similar manner as land ownership.</i></p><p>Interestingly enough, I do, too.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p><p>I think you should no more own ideas than you should own oil rights on publicly owned land. It may be worthwhile to provide incentives for discovery of valuable resources (oil/minerals/interesting concepts), but that should not include ownership of the discovered (publicly owned) property. You manipulate public ideas to come up with your own intellectual discoveries; but the base of ownership is, and remains, public, not private.</p><p>Just my $0.02</p><p>--</p><p>AC</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That being said , I feel the general idea of copyrights and patents is a sound one .
IMO , people should have ownership over ideas and works that they create .
An aspect of ownership is the right to deny use of your property to others.In my opinion , people should not have ownership over ideas , and they already do own the works they create .
If you make a painting out of your materials , you own the painting , no question about it .
You 're trying to deny others the right to use their property to create a work that is similar to your own ; a very different issue indeed.From the Canadian Charter of Rights and freedoms : " Fundamental Freedoms " 2 .
Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms : .... ( b ) freedom of thought , belief , opinion and expressionYou lose a lot of freedom of thought and expression if ideas themselves are owned by others.I see this in a similar manner as land ownership.Interestingly enough , I do , too .
: - ) I think you should no more own ideas than you should own oil rights on publicly owned land .
It may be worthwhile to provide incentives for discovery of valuable resources ( oil/minerals/interesting concepts ) , but that should not include ownership of the discovered ( publicly owned ) property .
You manipulate public ideas to come up with your own intellectual discoveries ; but the base of ownership is , and remains , public , not private.Just my $ 0.02--AC</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That being said, I feel the general idea of copyrights and patents is a sound one.
IMO, people should have ownership over ideas and works that they create.
An aspect of ownership is the right to deny use of your property to others.In my opinion, people should not have ownership over ideas, and they already do own the works they create.
If you make a painting out of your materials, you own the painting, no question about it.
You're trying to deny others the right to use their property to create a work that is similar to your own; a very different issue indeed.From the Canadian Charter of Rights and freedoms: "Fundamental Freedoms"2.
Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms: .... (b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expressionYou lose a lot of freedom of thought and expression if ideas themselves are owned by others.I see this in a similar manner as land ownership.Interestingly enough, I do, too.
:-)I think you should no more own ideas than you should own oil rights on publicly owned land.
It may be worthwhile to provide incentives for discovery of valuable resources (oil/minerals/interesting concepts), but that should not include ownership of the discovered (publicly owned) property.
You manipulate public ideas to come up with your own intellectual discoveries; but the base of ownership is, and remains, public, not private.Just my $0.02--AC</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585559</id>
	<title>Re:It should appeal to the US too</title>
	<author>kamapuaa</author>
	<datestamp>1246794180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is the best logic EVAR!  The US allowed books to be freely copied in the late 18th century, and therefore piracy should be legal in Sweden and Canada too I guess.  Hey what, did late 18th century US laws have to say about keeping slaves, or divorcing your wife?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the best logic EVAR !
The US allowed books to be freely copied in the late 18th century , and therefore piracy should be legal in Sweden and Canada too I guess .
Hey what , did late 18th century US laws have to say about keeping slaves , or divorcing your wife ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the best logic EVAR!
The US allowed books to be freely copied in the late 18th century, and therefore piracy should be legal in Sweden and Canada too I guess.
Hey what, did late 18th century US laws have to say about keeping slaves, or divorcing your wife?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585431</id>
	<title>Official website here</title>
	<author>Langfat</author>
	<datestamp>1246791900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>For anyone interested in getting involved, check out the forum at <a href="http://www.piratepartyofcanada.com/" title="piratepartyofcanada.com">http://www.piratepartyofcanada.com</a> [piratepartyofcanada.com] - Doesn't look like there's much going on yet, but hopefully that will change shortly...</htmltext>
<tokenext>For anyone interested in getting involved , check out the forum at http : //www.piratepartyofcanada.com [ piratepartyofcanada.com ] - Does n't look like there 's much going on yet , but hopefully that will change shortly.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For anyone interested in getting involved, check out the forum at http://www.piratepartyofcanada.com [piratepartyofcanada.com] - Doesn't look like there's much going on yet, but hopefully that will change shortly...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585967</id>
	<title>Re:English Pirate Party?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246803000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>we have one.. unfortunately it's kinda sucky and rudderless and its manifesto isn't great either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>we have one.. unfortunately it 's kinda sucky and rudderless and its manifesto is n't great either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>we have one.. unfortunately it's kinda sucky and rudderless and its manifesto isn't great either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28587235</id>
	<title>"pirate"?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246819260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>a political party bearing the name "pirate" indicates that it's members aren't interested in being taken seriously, imo, and calls into question their true love of art, which is ripe with symbolism and associations.  financial considerations aside, why would artists that have a deep love for things good and nice associate themselves with a political party harkening back to murderous thieves and darkness?</htmltext>
<tokenext>a political party bearing the name " pirate " indicates that it 's members are n't interested in being taken seriously , imo , and calls into question their true love of art , which is ripe with symbolism and associations .
financial considerations aside , why would artists that have a deep love for things good and nice associate themselves with a political party harkening back to murderous thieves and darkness ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a political party bearing the name "pirate" indicates that it's members aren't interested in being taken seriously, imo, and calls into question their true love of art, which is ripe with symbolism and associations.
financial considerations aside, why would artists that have a deep love for things good and nice associate themselves with a political party harkening back to murderous thieves and darkness?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586811</id>
	<title>Re:The neoconservatives are laughing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246814940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't confuse the world. The Liberal Party is most certainly *not* a right-wing party. They are mildly centrist, leaning to the left. NDP, Green, et al. are left-wing parties and the Conservatives are right-wing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't confuse the world .
The Liberal Party is most certainly * not * a right-wing party .
They are mildly centrist , leaning to the left .
NDP , Green , et al .
are left-wing parties and the Conservatives are right-wing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't confuse the world.
The Liberal Party is most certainly *not* a right-wing party.
They are mildly centrist, leaning to the left.
NDP, Green, et al.
are left-wing parties and the Conservatives are right-wing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585511</id>
	<title>The goals are *WAY* bigger!</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1246793460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First and foremost, they oppose any kind of censorship and totalitarian government.<br>Then comes the goal to move from the imaginary "intellectual property" scheme back to what copyright, authors right and the freedom of ideas once were meant to be.<br>They are <em>not</em> for the exploitation of artists. That is what the **AA is for.</p><p>This TFS(ummary) is probably the worst summary of a party program I have ever read.<br>Maybe some people are just so used to parties an programs being meaningless because they all belonged to the same industry lobbies anyway, that they do not pay attention to them anymore.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:/</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First and foremost , they oppose any kind of censorship and totalitarian government.Then comes the goal to move from the imaginary " intellectual property " scheme back to what copyright , authors right and the freedom of ideas once were meant to be.They are not for the exploitation of artists .
That is what the * * AA is for.This TFS ( ummary ) is probably the worst summary of a party program I have ever read.Maybe some people are just so used to parties an programs being meaningless because they all belonged to the same industry lobbies anyway , that they do not pay attention to them anymore .
: /</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First and foremost, they oppose any kind of censorship and totalitarian government.Then comes the goal to move from the imaginary "intellectual property" scheme back to what copyright, authors right and the freedom of ideas once were meant to be.They are not for the exploitation of artists.
That is what the **AA is for.This TFS(ummary) is probably the worst summary of a party program I have ever read.Maybe some people are just so used to parties an programs being meaningless because they all belonged to the same industry lobbies anyway, that they do not pay attention to them anymore.
:/</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586341</id>
	<title>Re:Most welcome, Canadian brethren</title>
	<author>scamper\_22</author>
	<datestamp>1246809000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an official in the swedish pirate party, could you enlighten us as to what your other views are.<br>I've browsed your English website, and couldn't find much else.</p><p>While I agree with the general views of the pirate party, it's  certainly not a big enough issue in my life to bring in a party that is not in agreement in my other views on healthcare, education, individual liberties...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an official in the swedish pirate party , could you enlighten us as to what your other views are.I 've browsed your English website , and could n't find much else.While I agree with the general views of the pirate party , it 's certainly not a big enough issue in my life to bring in a party that is not in agreement in my other views on healthcare , education , individual liberties.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an official in the swedish pirate party, could you enlighten us as to what your other views are.I've browsed your English website, and couldn't find much else.While I agree with the general views of the pirate party, it's  certainly not a big enough issue in my life to bring in a party that is not in agreement in my other views on healthcare, education, individual liberties...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585585</id>
	<title>Re:Bad idea</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1246794720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like copyright law, patent law was never meant to prevent the duplication of a product, process, or idea.  It was only meant to prevent the duplication FOR PROFIT.</p><p>I personally met one individual who patented a method to modify carburetors to increase fuel mileage.  He sold his patent to GM.  The man still worked on cars, and modified those big Chevy Impalas to get 30+ MPG.  If he worked on your car, he could not accept payment.  Doing so would have put him in violation of patent law.  But, doing the very same work for his own amusement was perfectly legal.</p><p>It's a shame GM wasn't putting that patent to use 40 years ago, when they bought it.  They might not be bankrupt today.......</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like copyright law , patent law was never meant to prevent the duplication of a product , process , or idea .
It was only meant to prevent the duplication FOR PROFIT.I personally met one individual who patented a method to modify carburetors to increase fuel mileage .
He sold his patent to GM .
The man still worked on cars , and modified those big Chevy Impalas to get 30 + MPG .
If he worked on your car , he could not accept payment .
Doing so would have put him in violation of patent law .
But , doing the very same work for his own amusement was perfectly legal.It 's a shame GM was n't putting that patent to use 40 years ago , when they bought it .
They might not be bankrupt today...... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like copyright law, patent law was never meant to prevent the duplication of a product, process, or idea.
It was only meant to prevent the duplication FOR PROFIT.I personally met one individual who patented a method to modify carburetors to increase fuel mileage.
He sold his patent to GM.
The man still worked on cars, and modified those big Chevy Impalas to get 30+ MPG.
If he worked on your car, he could not accept payment.
Doing so would have put him in violation of patent law.
But, doing the very same work for his own amusement was perfectly legal.It's a shame GM wasn't putting that patent to use 40 years ago, when they bought it.
They might not be bankrupt today.......</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28587609</id>
	<title>I'll start buying CDS again when...</title>
	<author>Joce640k</author>
	<datestamp>1246822920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll start buying CDS again when they print on the cover how much money the artist is going to receive from the sale and I can see it's a decent chunk of the money.

(Like cdbaby.com does - I buy from them...)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll start buying CDS again when they print on the cover how much money the artist is going to receive from the sale and I can see it 's a decent chunk of the money .
( Like cdbaby.com does - I buy from them... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll start buying CDS again when they print on the cover how much money the artist is going to receive from the sale and I can see it's a decent chunk of the money.
(Like cdbaby.com does - I buy from them...)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28590323</id>
	<title>Re:Bad idea</title>
	<author>AvitarX</author>
	<datestamp>1246808160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As there were still cars being produced with carbs into the 80's I don't see why we didn't get any of this later from anybody.</p><p>As this would have expired in 1984 there could have been a market for it, the inventor even could have started charging for services.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As there were still cars being produced with carbs into the 80 's I do n't see why we did n't get any of this later from anybody.As this would have expired in 1984 there could have been a market for it , the inventor even could have started charging for services .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As there were still cars being produced with carbs into the 80's I don't see why we didn't get any of this later from anybody.As this would have expired in 1984 there could have been a market for it, the inventor even could have started charging for services.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28589515</id>
	<title>Re:The neoconservatives are laughing</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1246798200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The NDP has always been left of center, but they have never (not recently, to my knowledge) supported price controls, the government take over of private businesses, etc. Saying the NDP is not near the centre is pretty extremist.</p></div><p>Eh? So, on your scale, in order to be counted anywhere left of center, a party must support price controls and large-scale nationalization of private businesses?</p><p>GP is absolutely right, your scale is very much skewed from a left extremist POV (and I say that as a leftie myself).</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The NDP has always been left of center , but they have never ( not recently , to my knowledge ) supported price controls , the government take over of private businesses , etc .
Saying the NDP is not near the centre is pretty extremist.Eh ?
So , on your scale , in order to be counted anywhere left of center , a party must support price controls and large-scale nationalization of private businesses ? GP is absolutely right , your scale is very much skewed from a left extremist POV ( and I say that as a leftie myself ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The NDP has always been left of center, but they have never (not recently, to my knowledge) supported price controls, the government take over of private businesses, etc.
Saying the NDP is not near the centre is pretty extremist.Eh?
So, on your scale, in order to be counted anywhere left of center, a party must support price controls and large-scale nationalization of private businesses?GP is absolutely right, your scale is very much skewed from a left extremist POV (and I say that as a leftie myself).
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585337</id>
	<title>Patents</title>
	<author>GF678</author>
	<datestamp>1246790220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It also wants to phase out patents</p></div></blockquote><p>A lofty goal, but it's not realistic. Patents are abused, but they're also so ingrained into our society that it's unthinkable to not have any patents whatsoever. Everyone's made the joke that if they invent something that could make them a lot of money, they'll patent it.</p><p>Perhaps the idea should be to take patents back to the original purpose of them - to protect the inventor from other people stealing their ideas, and NOT to be used as a legal weapon against other companies.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It also wants to phase out patentsA lofty goal , but it 's not realistic .
Patents are abused , but they 're also so ingrained into our society that it 's unthinkable to not have any patents whatsoever .
Everyone 's made the joke that if they invent something that could make them a lot of money , they 'll patent it.Perhaps the idea should be to take patents back to the original purpose of them - to protect the inventor from other people stealing their ideas , and NOT to be used as a legal weapon against other companies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It also wants to phase out patentsA lofty goal, but it's not realistic.
Patents are abused, but they're also so ingrained into our society that it's unthinkable to not have any patents whatsoever.
Everyone's made the joke that if they invent something that could make them a lot of money, they'll patent it.Perhaps the idea should be to take patents back to the original purpose of them - to protect the inventor from other people stealing their ideas, and NOT to be used as a legal weapon against other companies.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585297</id>
	<title>It should appeal to the US too</title>
	<author>Kupfernigk</author>
	<datestamp>1246789560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>US legislators appear to have forgotten that during the early phases of US growth, the US refused to acknowledge any foreign intellectual property - European books were copied and published in the US with no royalties whatsoever, and it was no less a person than Rudyard Kipling, all of whose works were stolen in this way, who described the US as a country of pirates. The US was one of the last developed countries to sign the Berne Convention, which it did not do till 1st March 1989. So you could say that the US only formally ceased to be a pirate itself 20 years ago.</htmltext>
<tokenext>US legislators appear to have forgotten that during the early phases of US growth , the US refused to acknowledge any foreign intellectual property - European books were copied and published in the US with no royalties whatsoever , and it was no less a person than Rudyard Kipling , all of whose works were stolen in this way , who described the US as a country of pirates .
The US was one of the last developed countries to sign the Berne Convention , which it did not do till 1st March 1989 .
So you could say that the US only formally ceased to be a pirate itself 20 years ago .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>US legislators appear to have forgotten that during the early phases of US growth, the US refused to acknowledge any foreign intellectual property - European books were copied and published in the US with no royalties whatsoever, and it was no less a person than Rudyard Kipling, all of whose works were stolen in this way, who described the US as a country of pirates.
The US was one of the last developed countries to sign the Berne Convention, which it did not do till 1st March 1989.
So you could say that the US only formally ceased to be a pirate itself 20 years ago.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585305</id>
	<title>Most welcome, Canadian brethren</title>
	<author>CrystalFalcon</author>
	<datestamp>1246789620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As an official in the Swedish Pirate Party, I can only wish our Canadian brothers and sisters a heartily welcome up onto the barricades, and the best of winds.</p><p>We are changing the world together.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As an official in the Swedish Pirate Party , I can only wish our Canadian brothers and sisters a heartily welcome up onto the barricades , and the best of winds.We are changing the world together .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As an official in the Swedish Pirate Party, I can only wish our Canadian brothers and sisters a heartily welcome up onto the barricades, and the best of winds.We are changing the world together.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585473</id>
	<title>English Pirate Party?</title>
	<author>lattyware</author>
	<datestamp>1246792800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can we have one in England too?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can we have one in England too ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can we have one in England too?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586285</id>
	<title>Re:Everyone</title>
	<author>TheVelvetFlamebait</author>
	<datestamp>1246808160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>You may rest assured as soon as it's released somewhere on this planet, a torrent is created shortly afterwards. That's already how it's done. Do you think "allowing" this to exist in a country would change it one little bit?</p></div></blockquote><p>Yep. Making it legit would eventually encourage people to get over their moral objections to acquiring free entertainment. So, perhaps there would always be the misguided, the stupid, and the unscrupulous to provide us with torrents without hesitation, but hopefully we can actually help people realise the harm they do by participating and encouraging such a system.</p><blockquote><div><p>If the movie is good enough, I wanna see it like that! But is it worth the 10 bucks or more? I'm not gonna waste 10 bucks and 2-3 hours of my life on a movie when I don't know if it's worth it.</p></div></blockquote><p>Well, why don't you try trailers or reviews? It typically works for me. Just find a reviewer or two who you can trust, and if it looks dodgy, then don't see it. God knows, with a 10\% success rate, it's a wonder that you even bother any more. You don't want to see them, the creators don't want you to see them (if you're not going to spend the money), seriously, what's the point?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>You may rest assured as soon as it 's released somewhere on this planet , a torrent is created shortly afterwards .
That 's already how it 's done .
Do you think " allowing " this to exist in a country would change it one little bit ? Yep .
Making it legit would eventually encourage people to get over their moral objections to acquiring free entertainment .
So , perhaps there would always be the misguided , the stupid , and the unscrupulous to provide us with torrents without hesitation , but hopefully we can actually help people realise the harm they do by participating and encouraging such a system.If the movie is good enough , I wan na see it like that !
But is it worth the 10 bucks or more ?
I 'm not gon na waste 10 bucks and 2-3 hours of my life on a movie when I do n't know if it 's worth it.Well , why do n't you try trailers or reviews ?
It typically works for me .
Just find a reviewer or two who you can trust , and if it looks dodgy , then do n't see it .
God knows , with a 10 \ % success rate , it 's a wonder that you even bother any more .
You do n't want to see them , the creators do n't want you to see them ( if you 're not going to spend the money ) , seriously , what 's the point ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may rest assured as soon as it's released somewhere on this planet, a torrent is created shortly afterwards.
That's already how it's done.
Do you think "allowing" this to exist in a country would change it one little bit?Yep.
Making it legit would eventually encourage people to get over their moral objections to acquiring free entertainment.
So, perhaps there would always be the misguided, the stupid, and the unscrupulous to provide us with torrents without hesitation, but hopefully we can actually help people realise the harm they do by participating and encouraging such a system.If the movie is good enough, I wanna see it like that!
But is it worth the 10 bucks or more?
I'm not gonna waste 10 bucks and 2-3 hours of my life on a movie when I don't know if it's worth it.Well, why don't you try trailers or reviews?
It typically works for me.
Just find a reviewer or two who you can trust, and if it looks dodgy, then don't see it.
God knows, with a 10\% success rate, it's a wonder that you even bother any more.
You don't want to see them, the creators don't want you to see them (if you're not going to spend the money), seriously, what's the point?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28588789</id>
	<title>Re:Most welcome, Canadian brethren</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246789980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>well with digital work, it seems they believe that everyone is entitled to what they want, and that creators of works are not entitled to be paid for it.<br>I imagine the same philosophy must extend to all work, making them communists.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>well with digital work , it seems they believe that everyone is entitled to what they want , and that creators of works are not entitled to be paid for it.I imagine the same philosophy must extend to all work , making them communists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>well with digital work, it seems they believe that everyone is entitled to what they want, and that creators of works are not entitled to be paid for it.I imagine the same philosophy must extend to all work, making them communists.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585499</id>
	<title>Re:Sick</title>
	<author>damnfuct</author>
	<datestamp>1246793220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>yarr</htmltext>
<tokenext>yarr</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yarr</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28587253</id>
	<title>Re:The neoconservatives are laughing</title>
	<author>MicktheMech</author>
	<datestamp>1246819440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>To elaborate, we have at least 4 (serious) political contenders who are in (or near) the center of the political spectrum here in Canada:
- The Marijuana Party
- The New Democratic Party
- The Green Party
- The Pirate Party (the new kid on the block)

These parties compete primarily with the Liberal Party (Canada's unofficial right-wing party); and the Liberal party is the only party that can offer any serious opposition to the Conservative party (Canada's unofficial neoconservative party), who tends to remain strong unless there is consistent and persistent and extreme scandals and incompetency during their terms in office (sorta like how the Republicans remain quite strong in the US despite their scandals and in-competencies).</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
This is so wrong I don't know where to start. First, I'm guessing you're pretty young if you think the Tories have been traditionally strong. Secondly, the Liberals are not, not have ever been right wing. They're a pragmatic centrist party. Before Chretien's election Canadian politics were dominated by the Tories and the Liberals. They were both centrists and back in the day the most common complaint heard was that there was no difference between the two. Then the Tories were decimated and the reform party which is definitely right-wing took over as the major opposition. Eventually they merged with the more moderate eastern tories to form what we know as the CPC today, though Reform appears to dominate the leadership. Though as an easterner I have no love for them, I would never say the party as a whole is neo-conservative.<br> <br>
The NDP has always been left wing, they've always been tied to the Unions (not withstanding the split with Buzz recently). To call them (or the Marijuana party) centrist is just plain crazy. Your characterization of Canadian politics betrays a fairly extreme leftist bent.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>To elaborate , we have at least 4 ( serious ) political contenders who are in ( or near ) the center of the political spectrum here in Canada : - The Marijuana Party - The New Democratic Party - The Green Party - The Pirate Party ( the new kid on the block ) These parties compete primarily with the Liberal Party ( Canada 's unofficial right-wing party ) ; and the Liberal party is the only party that can offer any serious opposition to the Conservative party ( Canada 's unofficial neoconservative party ) , who tends to remain strong unless there is consistent and persistent and extreme scandals and incompetency during their terms in office ( sorta like how the Republicans remain quite strong in the US despite their scandals and in-competencies ) .
This is so wrong I do n't know where to start .
First , I 'm guessing you 're pretty young if you think the Tories have been traditionally strong .
Secondly , the Liberals are not , not have ever been right wing .
They 're a pragmatic centrist party .
Before Chretien 's election Canadian politics were dominated by the Tories and the Liberals .
They were both centrists and back in the day the most common complaint heard was that there was no difference between the two .
Then the Tories were decimated and the reform party which is definitely right-wing took over as the major opposition .
Eventually they merged with the more moderate eastern tories to form what we know as the CPC today , though Reform appears to dominate the leadership .
Though as an easterner I have no love for them , I would never say the party as a whole is neo-conservative .
The NDP has always been left wing , they 've always been tied to the Unions ( not withstanding the split with Buzz recently ) .
To call them ( or the Marijuana party ) centrist is just plain crazy .
Your characterization of Canadian politics betrays a fairly extreme leftist bent .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To elaborate, we have at least 4 (serious) political contenders who are in (or near) the center of the political spectrum here in Canada:
- The Marijuana Party
- The New Democratic Party
- The Green Party
- The Pirate Party (the new kid on the block)

These parties compete primarily with the Liberal Party (Canada's unofficial right-wing party); and the Liberal party is the only party that can offer any serious opposition to the Conservative party (Canada's unofficial neoconservative party), who tends to remain strong unless there is consistent and persistent and extreme scandals and incompetency during their terms in office (sorta like how the Republicans remain quite strong in the US despite their scandals and in-competencies).
This is so wrong I don't know where to start.
First, I'm guessing you're pretty young if you think the Tories have been traditionally strong.
Secondly, the Liberals are not, not have ever been right wing.
They're a pragmatic centrist party.
Before Chretien's election Canadian politics were dominated by the Tories and the Liberals.
They were both centrists and back in the day the most common complaint heard was that there was no difference between the two.
Then the Tories were decimated and the reform party which is definitely right-wing took over as the major opposition.
Eventually they merged with the more moderate eastern tories to form what we know as the CPC today, though Reform appears to dominate the leadership.
Though as an easterner I have no love for them, I would never say the party as a whole is neo-conservative.
The NDP has always been left wing, they've always been tied to the Unions (not withstanding the split with Buzz recently).
To call them (or the Marijuana party) centrist is just plain crazy.
Your characterization of Canadian politics betrays a fairly extreme leftist bent.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585453</id>
	<title>As a Canadian, my thoughts</title>
	<author>V50</author>
	<datestamp>1246792380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My thoughts on this. First of all, the part is irrelevant, they have no chance of electoral success, they probably will only even run candidates in a handful of ridings. Even if they did run in all 308 ridings, they have no chance to get more than, at best, 5\% of the vote in their best riding (and even that is a stretch). Our system, which has been confirmed by several recent referendums, essentially makes any votes for them "wasted" in a few ways. I'd still recommend anyone vote for them, if they support their principles.</p><p>As for my thoughts on copyrights in general. I'm a generally libertarian leaning Conservative. I don't like how the RIAA/MPAA is conducting themselves. I don't like the abuses of patent systems, and I think copyright lasts way too long. I'd be completely in favor of reform of those.</p><p>That being said, I feel the general idea of copyrights and patents is a sound one. IMO, people should have ownership over ideas and works that they create. An aspect of ownership is the right to deny use of your property to others.</p><p>I see this in a similar manner as land ownership. Land ownership is a similarly abstract concept. One can only "own" land based on the collective agreement of the population, and the government. Likewise, even if one is not using a tract of land one owns, one can deny access to it from others.</p><p>That being said, like a typical goodthinking Slashbot, I hate DRM, think the RIAA/MPAA are a bunch of thugs, and feel that copyrights last way too long (I think patents last about the right length, but stupid crap shouldn't be patentable). I don't, however, feel this gives people a right to pirate whatever they feel like, nor do I think it invalidates the idea of copyright, in general. (For my background, I'm a 22 year old white Canadian male who buys his games, music and movies, and buys a great deal of them.)</p><p>I'd be interested in seeing well thought out disagreements, of course. I'm also sure my thoughts and my analogy could be worded much better. I'm usually terrible at getting my point across.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My thoughts on this .
First of all , the part is irrelevant , they have no chance of electoral success , they probably will only even run candidates in a handful of ridings .
Even if they did run in all 308 ridings , they have no chance to get more than , at best , 5 \ % of the vote in their best riding ( and even that is a stretch ) .
Our system , which has been confirmed by several recent referendums , essentially makes any votes for them " wasted " in a few ways .
I 'd still recommend anyone vote for them , if they support their principles.As for my thoughts on copyrights in general .
I 'm a generally libertarian leaning Conservative .
I do n't like how the RIAA/MPAA is conducting themselves .
I do n't like the abuses of patent systems , and I think copyright lasts way too long .
I 'd be completely in favor of reform of those.That being said , I feel the general idea of copyrights and patents is a sound one .
IMO , people should have ownership over ideas and works that they create .
An aspect of ownership is the right to deny use of your property to others.I see this in a similar manner as land ownership .
Land ownership is a similarly abstract concept .
One can only " own " land based on the collective agreement of the population , and the government .
Likewise , even if one is not using a tract of land one owns , one can deny access to it from others.That being said , like a typical goodthinking Slashbot , I hate DRM , think the RIAA/MPAA are a bunch of thugs , and feel that copyrights last way too long ( I think patents last about the right length , but stupid crap should n't be patentable ) .
I do n't , however , feel this gives people a right to pirate whatever they feel like , nor do I think it invalidates the idea of copyright , in general .
( For my background , I 'm a 22 year old white Canadian male who buys his games , music and movies , and buys a great deal of them .
) I 'd be interested in seeing well thought out disagreements , of course .
I 'm also sure my thoughts and my analogy could be worded much better .
I 'm usually terrible at getting my point across .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My thoughts on this.
First of all, the part is irrelevant, they have no chance of electoral success, they probably will only even run candidates in a handful of ridings.
Even if they did run in all 308 ridings, they have no chance to get more than, at best, 5\% of the vote in their best riding (and even that is a stretch).
Our system, which has been confirmed by several recent referendums, essentially makes any votes for them "wasted" in a few ways.
I'd still recommend anyone vote for them, if they support their principles.As for my thoughts on copyrights in general.
I'm a generally libertarian leaning Conservative.
I don't like how the RIAA/MPAA is conducting themselves.
I don't like the abuses of patent systems, and I think copyright lasts way too long.
I'd be completely in favor of reform of those.That being said, I feel the general idea of copyrights and patents is a sound one.
IMO, people should have ownership over ideas and works that they create.
An aspect of ownership is the right to deny use of your property to others.I see this in a similar manner as land ownership.
Land ownership is a similarly abstract concept.
One can only "own" land based on the collective agreement of the population, and the government.
Likewise, even if one is not using a tract of land one owns, one can deny access to it from others.That being said, like a typical goodthinking Slashbot, I hate DRM, think the RIAA/MPAA are a bunch of thugs, and feel that copyrights last way too long (I think patents last about the right length, but stupid crap shouldn't be patentable).
I don't, however, feel this gives people a right to pirate whatever they feel like, nor do I think it invalidates the idea of copyright, in general.
(For my background, I'm a 22 year old white Canadian male who buys his games, music and movies, and buys a great deal of them.
)I'd be interested in seeing well thought out disagreements, of course.
I'm also sure my thoughts and my analogy could be worded much better.
I'm usually terrible at getting my point across.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585407</id>
	<title>Re:It should appeal to the US too</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246791360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It doesn't make sense to value foreign IP unless you plan on pulling a big take from selling your domestic IP abroad.  The U.S.'s position has coincided with its economic interests, not its moral opinion.

</p><p>Right now China doesn't care much about copyright and patents, but you can bet in 20 years from when they have ceased trying to catch up to the superpower and effectively *are* the superpower, that they will be among those rallying for stronger enforcement.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't make sense to value foreign IP unless you plan on pulling a big take from selling your domestic IP abroad .
The U.S. 's position has coincided with its economic interests , not its moral opinion .
Right now China does n't care much about copyright and patents , but you can bet in 20 years from when they have ceased trying to catch up to the superpower and effectively * are * the superpower , that they will be among those rallying for stronger enforcement .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't make sense to value foreign IP unless you plan on pulling a big take from selling your domestic IP abroad.
The U.S.'s position has coincided with its economic interests, not its moral opinion.
Right now China doesn't care much about copyright and patents, but you can bet in 20 years from when they have ceased trying to catch up to the superpower and effectively *are* the superpower, that they will be among those rallying for stronger enforcement.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28588269</id>
	<title>I beg to differ</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246785300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"the Liberal party is the only party that can offer any serious opposition to the Conservative party"</p><p>Really? In Nova Scotia the NDP won the Majority. They won so many seats that even if the Conservatives and Liberals combined they are still outnumbered. NDP 31, Liberal and PC combined ~24.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" the Liberal party is the only party that can offer any serious opposition to the Conservative party " Really ?
In Nova Scotia the NDP won the Majority .
They won so many seats that even if the Conservatives and Liberals combined they are still outnumbered .
NDP 31 , Liberal and PC combined ~ 24 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"the Liberal party is the only party that can offer any serious opposition to the Conservative party"Really?
In Nova Scotia the NDP won the Majority.
They won so many seats that even if the Conservatives and Liberals combined they are still outnumbered.
NDP 31, Liberal and PC combined ~24.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585533</id>
	<title>Re:Bad idea</title>
	<author>maxwell demon</author>
	<datestamp>1246793760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not so sure. First, I think patents don't provide an incentive to invent. People don't invent in order to get patents, they invent in order to get solutions to problems. What patents are supposed top do is to make those inventions public knowledge, and enable other people to build upon them.</p><p>However, I'm doubtful that even this part works well. Say a company has made an invention, and now has to decide whether to patent it or keep it secret. Now if the invention is non-obvious enough that you don't expect anyone to re-invent it until the end of the patent protection, you certainly <em>won't</em> patent it. It would only give you disadvantages: Short term, because you'd pay patent fees for a protection which secrecy would give you for free, and long term because after the protection period ends, your idea is in the wild, while with secrecy there's a chance you can protect it much longer.</p><p>Therefore you will patent only inventions which are </p><ul> <li>either obvious enough that someone else might re-invent it during the patent-protection period,</li><li>or if it is very hard to keep secret.</li></ul><p> In both cases, the knowledge would have become public knowledge anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not so sure .
First , I think patents do n't provide an incentive to invent .
People do n't invent in order to get patents , they invent in order to get solutions to problems .
What patents are supposed top do is to make those inventions public knowledge , and enable other people to build upon them.However , I 'm doubtful that even this part works well .
Say a company has made an invention , and now has to decide whether to patent it or keep it secret .
Now if the invention is non-obvious enough that you do n't expect anyone to re-invent it until the end of the patent protection , you certainly wo n't patent it .
It would only give you disadvantages : Short term , because you 'd pay patent fees for a protection which secrecy would give you for free , and long term because after the protection period ends , your idea is in the wild , while with secrecy there 's a chance you can protect it much longer.Therefore you will patent only inventions which are either obvious enough that someone else might re-invent it during the patent-protection period,or if it is very hard to keep secret .
In both cases , the knowledge would have become public knowledge anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not so sure.
First, I think patents don't provide an incentive to invent.
People don't invent in order to get patents, they invent in order to get solutions to problems.
What patents are supposed top do is to make those inventions public knowledge, and enable other people to build upon them.However, I'm doubtful that even this part works well.
Say a company has made an invention, and now has to decide whether to patent it or keep it secret.
Now if the invention is non-obvious enough that you don't expect anyone to re-invent it until the end of the patent protection, you certainly won't patent it.
It would only give you disadvantages: Short term, because you'd pay patent fees for a protection which secrecy would give you for free, and long term because after the protection period ends, your idea is in the wild, while with secrecy there's a chance you can protect it much longer.Therefore you will patent only inventions which are  either obvious enough that someone else might re-invent it during the patent-protection period,or if it is very hard to keep secret.
In both cases, the knowledge would have become public knowledge anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28593501</id>
	<title>Re:The neoconservatives are laughing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246889460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>warning; I write this from a right-wing Canadian perspective with an awareness of American perspective on social spending issues.</p><p>Terms like "right" and "left" are kind of plastic, and might confuse American readers when used in a Canadian context. For clarification, the "right"-wing Conservative party supports socialized health care, welfare, double taxation on corporate income, and government-run old-age pensions. The "center" or "left"-wing Liberal party supports cradle-to-grave social support, nationalization of oil company profits, and punitive taxes on the rich. The "left"-wing NDP supports nationalized enterprise in just about every area; energy, food, and industrial production at least.</p><p>From a Canadian perspective, Conservatives are right-wing, Liberals are left-wing. From an American perspective, Conservatives are left-wing, Liberals are openly communist. Americans complain about leftist policies coming from their Democrat politicians that Canadian right-wingers would consider an improvement (like two-tier health care).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>warning ; I write this from a right-wing Canadian perspective with an awareness of American perspective on social spending issues.Terms like " right " and " left " are kind of plastic , and might confuse American readers when used in a Canadian context .
For clarification , the " right " -wing Conservative party supports socialized health care , welfare , double taxation on corporate income , and government-run old-age pensions .
The " center " or " left " -wing Liberal party supports cradle-to-grave social support , nationalization of oil company profits , and punitive taxes on the rich .
The " left " -wing NDP supports nationalized enterprise in just about every area ; energy , food , and industrial production at least.From a Canadian perspective , Conservatives are right-wing , Liberals are left-wing .
From an American perspective , Conservatives are left-wing , Liberals are openly communist .
Americans complain about leftist policies coming from their Democrat politicians that Canadian right-wingers would consider an improvement ( like two-tier health care ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>warning; I write this from a right-wing Canadian perspective with an awareness of American perspective on social spending issues.Terms like "right" and "left" are kind of plastic, and might confuse American readers when used in a Canadian context.
For clarification, the "right"-wing Conservative party supports socialized health care, welfare, double taxation on corporate income, and government-run old-age pensions.
The "center" or "left"-wing Liberal party supports cradle-to-grave social support, nationalization of oil company profits, and punitive taxes on the rich.
The "left"-wing NDP supports nationalized enterprise in just about every area; energy, food, and industrial production at least.From a Canadian perspective, Conservatives are right-wing, Liberals are left-wing.
From an American perspective, Conservatives are left-wing, Liberals are openly communist.
Americans complain about leftist policies coming from their Democrat politicians that Canadian right-wingers would consider an improvement (like two-tier health care).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585695</id>
	<title>Enough</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246798020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is now time for a Ninja Party!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is now time for a Ninja Party !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is now time for a Ninja Party!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585537</id>
	<title>Re:Sick</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1246793760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What happened to grog, wenches and plunder?</p> </div><p>In fact, forget the plunder!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What happened to grog , wenches and plunder ?
In fact , forget the plunder !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happened to grog, wenches and plunder?
In fact, forget the plunder!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585341</id>
	<title>One Wallet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246790280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your question is interesting and one which many people ask themselves. I think it's more like people have one wallet to use and instead of spending money on music they kind of like they spend it on other things - just because they can get it by downloading. The total economic output is however more or less constant. I can only refer to my own spending statistics so feel free to contradict me. I don't put that same money in my savings account! I use it to go to the movies (5 of them past 6 months), fuel my car, go on vacation.</p><p>So the recent legislations in e.g. Sweden and the rest of Europe has nothing to do with economics, but rather only distribution of money and "fairness" to the companies. Of course, to succeed they must squash many citizen rights and deploy surveillance to keep citizens in check. One could argue that the win from such legislation really is nothing in comparison of how trampled the citizens become. Of course, the new legislation opens up a can of worms to further reduction of rights sort of like Pandora's box. We end up moving in the wrong direction if what we want is democracy.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>//S</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your question is interesting and one which many people ask themselves .
I think it 's more like people have one wallet to use and instead of spending money on music they kind of like they spend it on other things - just because they can get it by downloading .
The total economic output is however more or less constant .
I can only refer to my own spending statistics so feel free to contradict me .
I do n't put that same money in my savings account !
I use it to go to the movies ( 5 of them past 6 months ) , fuel my car , go on vacation.So the recent legislations in e.g .
Sweden and the rest of Europe has nothing to do with economics , but rather only distribution of money and " fairness " to the companies .
Of course , to succeed they must squash many citizen rights and deploy surveillance to keep citizens in check .
One could argue that the win from such legislation really is nothing in comparison of how trampled the citizens become .
Of course , the new legislation opens up a can of worms to further reduction of rights sort of like Pandora 's box .
We end up moving in the wrong direction if what we want is democracy .
//S</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your question is interesting and one which many people ask themselves.
I think it's more like people have one wallet to use and instead of spending money on music they kind of like they spend it on other things - just because they can get it by downloading.
The total economic output is however more or less constant.
I can only refer to my own spending statistics so feel free to contradict me.
I don't put that same money in my savings account!
I use it to go to the movies (5 of them past 6 months), fuel my car, go on vacation.So the recent legislations in e.g.
Sweden and the rest of Europe has nothing to do with economics, but rather only distribution of money and "fairness" to the companies.
Of course, to succeed they must squash many citizen rights and deploy surveillance to keep citizens in check.
One could argue that the win from such legislation really is nothing in comparison of how trampled the citizens become.
Of course, the new legislation opens up a can of worms to further reduction of rights sort of like Pandora's box.
We end up moving in the wrong direction if what we want is democracy.
//S</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585255</id>
	<title>First Vote</title>
	<author>scream at the sky</author>
	<datestamp>1246788600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm a DAMN proud Canadian right now</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a DAMN proud Canadian right now</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a DAMN proud Canadian right now</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585313</id>
	<title>Australia Too</title>
	<author>QuantumG</author>
	<datestamp>1246789800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.pirateparty.org.au/faq" title="pirateparty.org.au">Pirate Party Australia</a> [pirateparty.org.au], join as a preliminary member today!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pirate Party Australia [ pirateparty.org.au ] , join as a preliminary member today !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pirate Party Australia [pirateparty.org.au], join as a preliminary member today!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586147</id>
	<title>Re:Sick</title>
	<author>Antique Geekmeister</author>
	<datestamp>1246806120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Such pirates have a serious tendency to get shot.</p><p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/world/africa/13pirates.html" title="nytimes.com">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/world/africa/13pirates.html</a> [nytimes.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Such pirates have a serious tendency to get shot.http : //www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/world/africa/13pirates.html [ nytimes.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Such pirates have a serious tendency to get shot.http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/13/world/africa/13pirates.html [nytimes.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586085</id>
	<title>Re:Bad idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246805100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The man still worked on cars, and modified those big Chevy Impalas to get 30+ MPG.</p></div><p>Any way you could get the information on how to do it and post it up here?  I'd love to know how to do that for myself.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The man still worked on cars , and modified those big Chevy Impalas to get 30 + MPG.Any way you could get the information on how to do it and post it up here ?
I 'd love to know how to do that for myself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The man still worked on cars, and modified those big Chevy Impalas to get 30+ MPG.Any way you could get the information on how to do it and post it up here?
I'd love to know how to do that for myself.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28587229</id>
	<title>Re:As a Canadian, my thoughts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246819260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My thoughts on this. First of all, the part is irrelevant, they have no chance of electoral success, they probably will only even run candidates in a handful of ridings. Even if they did run in all 308 ridings, they have no chance to get more than, at best, 5\% of the vote in their best riding (and even that is a stretch). Our system, which has been confirmed by several recent referendums, essentially makes any votes for them "wasted" in a few ways. I'd still recommend anyone vote for them, if they support their principles.</p><p>As for my thoughts on copyrights in general. I'm a generally libertarian leaning Conservative. I don't like how the RIAA/MPAA is conducting themselves. I don't like the abuses of patent systems, and I think copyright lasts way too long. I'd be completely in favor of reform of those.</p><p>That being said, I feel the general idea of copyrights and patents is a sound one. IMO, people should have ownership over ideas and works that they create. An aspect of ownership is the right to deny use of your property to others.</p><p>I see this in a similar manner as land ownership. Land ownership is a similarly abstract concept. One can only "own" land based on the collective agreement of the population, and the government. Likewise, even if one is not using a tract of land one owns, one can deny access to it from others.</p><p>That being said, like a typical goodthinking Slashbot, I hate DRM, think the RIAA/MPAA are a bunch of thugs, and feel that copyrights last way too long (I think patents last about the right length, but stupid crap shouldn't be patentable). I don't, however, feel this gives people a right to pirate whatever they feel like, nor do I think it invalidates the idea of copyright, in general. (For my background, I'm a 22 year old white Canadian male who buys his games, music and movies, and buys a great deal of them.)</p><p>I'd be interested in seeing well thought out disagreements, of course. I'm also sure my thoughts and my analogy could be worded much better. I'm usually terrible at getting my point across.</p></div><p>I'm from Canada as well, and these were exactly my thoughts as I started reading the article. Copyright definitely needs a reform, but I don't know anything of politics (I hate them, along with most of those my age.)  I don't really mind patents as long as it's not being applied to programming. You can't patent language, and you definitely can't patent mathematics. The people who say software patents are legitimate are those who've never programmed nor understood that the 'little blue button you click to open Microsoft Word' is also a mathematical concept.</p><p>I'd love to go on some "we as Canadians" boilerplate rant about how our rights are being infringed, but I don't believe they are. We have a damned good system so far, and it greatly exceeds our southerly neighbour's version (we could use their "lemon laws" though). With as much heyday alarmist propaganda we receive on Slashdot, Canada is really not bad at all. As much as people would like to say otherwise, our system is not bought by a large military industrial complex, nor by massive ecomomy-basing big business. The laws that are voted about here are more than 95\% by people. If we Canadians don't like some law, it's <b>not</b> voted in, simple as that, and being alarmist about it is stupid.</p><p>Those that are usually on about rights forget the flipside of that coin is responsibiity, which is something many Slashdots definitely don't understand.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My thoughts on this .
First of all , the part is irrelevant , they have no chance of electoral success , they probably will only even run candidates in a handful of ridings .
Even if they did run in all 308 ridings , they have no chance to get more than , at best , 5 \ % of the vote in their best riding ( and even that is a stretch ) .
Our system , which has been confirmed by several recent referendums , essentially makes any votes for them " wasted " in a few ways .
I 'd still recommend anyone vote for them , if they support their principles.As for my thoughts on copyrights in general .
I 'm a generally libertarian leaning Conservative .
I do n't like how the RIAA/MPAA is conducting themselves .
I do n't like the abuses of patent systems , and I think copyright lasts way too long .
I 'd be completely in favor of reform of those.That being said , I feel the general idea of copyrights and patents is a sound one .
IMO , people should have ownership over ideas and works that they create .
An aspect of ownership is the right to deny use of your property to others.I see this in a similar manner as land ownership .
Land ownership is a similarly abstract concept .
One can only " own " land based on the collective agreement of the population , and the government .
Likewise , even if one is not using a tract of land one owns , one can deny access to it from others.That being said , like a typical goodthinking Slashbot , I hate DRM , think the RIAA/MPAA are a bunch of thugs , and feel that copyrights last way too long ( I think patents last about the right length , but stupid crap should n't be patentable ) .
I do n't , however , feel this gives people a right to pirate whatever they feel like , nor do I think it invalidates the idea of copyright , in general .
( For my background , I 'm a 22 year old white Canadian male who buys his games , music and movies , and buys a great deal of them .
) I 'd be interested in seeing well thought out disagreements , of course .
I 'm also sure my thoughts and my analogy could be worded much better .
I 'm usually terrible at getting my point across.I 'm from Canada as well , and these were exactly my thoughts as I started reading the article .
Copyright definitely needs a reform , but I do n't know anything of politics ( I hate them , along with most of those my age .
) I do n't really mind patents as long as it 's not being applied to programming .
You ca n't patent language , and you definitely ca n't patent mathematics .
The people who say software patents are legitimate are those who 've never programmed nor understood that the 'little blue button you click to open Microsoft Word ' is also a mathematical concept.I 'd love to go on some " we as Canadians " boilerplate rant about how our rights are being infringed , but I do n't believe they are .
We have a damned good system so far , and it greatly exceeds our southerly neighbour 's version ( we could use their " lemon laws " though ) .
With as much heyday alarmist propaganda we receive on Slashdot , Canada is really not bad at all .
As much as people would like to say otherwise , our system is not bought by a large military industrial complex , nor by massive ecomomy-basing big business .
The laws that are voted about here are more than 95 \ % by people .
If we Canadians do n't like some law , it 's not voted in , simple as that , and being alarmist about it is stupid.Those that are usually on about rights forget the flipside of that coin is responsibiity , which is something many Slashdots definitely do n't understand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My thoughts on this.
First of all, the part is irrelevant, they have no chance of electoral success, they probably will only even run candidates in a handful of ridings.
Even if they did run in all 308 ridings, they have no chance to get more than, at best, 5\% of the vote in their best riding (and even that is a stretch).
Our system, which has been confirmed by several recent referendums, essentially makes any votes for them "wasted" in a few ways.
I'd still recommend anyone vote for them, if they support their principles.As for my thoughts on copyrights in general.
I'm a generally libertarian leaning Conservative.
I don't like how the RIAA/MPAA is conducting themselves.
I don't like the abuses of patent systems, and I think copyright lasts way too long.
I'd be completely in favor of reform of those.That being said, I feel the general idea of copyrights and patents is a sound one.
IMO, people should have ownership over ideas and works that they create.
An aspect of ownership is the right to deny use of your property to others.I see this in a similar manner as land ownership.
Land ownership is a similarly abstract concept.
One can only "own" land based on the collective agreement of the population, and the government.
Likewise, even if one is not using a tract of land one owns, one can deny access to it from others.That being said, like a typical goodthinking Slashbot, I hate DRM, think the RIAA/MPAA are a bunch of thugs, and feel that copyrights last way too long (I think patents last about the right length, but stupid crap shouldn't be patentable).
I don't, however, feel this gives people a right to pirate whatever they feel like, nor do I think it invalidates the idea of copyright, in general.
(For my background, I'm a 22 year old white Canadian male who buys his games, music and movies, and buys a great deal of them.
)I'd be interested in seeing well thought out disagreements, of course.
I'm also sure my thoughts and my analogy could be worded much better.
I'm usually terrible at getting my point across.I'm from Canada as well, and these were exactly my thoughts as I started reading the article.
Copyright definitely needs a reform, but I don't know anything of politics (I hate them, along with most of those my age.
)  I don't really mind patents as long as it's not being applied to programming.
You can't patent language, and you definitely can't patent mathematics.
The people who say software patents are legitimate are those who've never programmed nor understood that the 'little blue button you click to open Microsoft Word' is also a mathematical concept.I'd love to go on some "we as Canadians" boilerplate rant about how our rights are being infringed, but I don't believe they are.
We have a damned good system so far, and it greatly exceeds our southerly neighbour's version (we could use their "lemon laws" though).
With as much heyday alarmist propaganda we receive on Slashdot, Canada is really not bad at all.
As much as people would like to say otherwise, our system is not bought by a large military industrial complex, nor by massive ecomomy-basing big business.
The laws that are voted about here are more than 95\% by people.
If we Canadians don't like some law, it's not voted in, simple as that, and being alarmist about it is stupid.Those that are usually on about rights forget the flipside of that coin is responsibiity, which is something many Slashdots definitely don't understand.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586323</id>
	<title>I think they are overreaching a bit</title>
	<author>Luscious868</author>
	<datestamp>1246808760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Copyrights and non-software patents aren't a bad thing. In fact as originally intended they are a very good thing because they allow artists and inventors to turn a profit on their ideas. They originally gave a limited windows upon which those who created the work or came up with the idea could turn a profit before it entered the public domain.</p><p>I'd love for a party to appear that wanted to bring copyright and patent laws back in line with what they were originally intended to be. Namely a reasonable, limited amount of time in which a work or idea was protected. Reasonable and limited being the operative words.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Copyrights and non-software patents are n't a bad thing .
In fact as originally intended they are a very good thing because they allow artists and inventors to turn a profit on their ideas .
They originally gave a limited windows upon which those who created the work or came up with the idea could turn a profit before it entered the public domain.I 'd love for a party to appear that wanted to bring copyright and patent laws back in line with what they were originally intended to be .
Namely a reasonable , limited amount of time in which a work or idea was protected .
Reasonable and limited being the operative words .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Copyrights and non-software patents aren't a bad thing.
In fact as originally intended they are a very good thing because they allow artists and inventors to turn a profit on their ideas.
They originally gave a limited windows upon which those who created the work or came up with the idea could turn a profit before it entered the public domain.I'd love for a party to appear that wanted to bring copyright and patent laws back in line with what they were originally intended to be.
Namely a reasonable, limited amount of time in which a work or idea was protected.
Reasonable and limited being the operative words.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586647</id>
	<title>As a member of the Pirate Party of Canada...</title>
	<author>robbrit</author>
	<datestamp>1246812720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'd like to note that the summary is not entirely correct.<br> <br>

We are <i>not</i> saying that people should have the right to copy whatever they like, despite what public opinion might be. Copyright is an important tool for innovation, we just think that it has gone too far (death + 50 years? Come on!). That does not mean that everyone should be allowed to download as much music/movies/etc. as they want. On top of that, we are not saying "phase out patents." There are some members of our forums that are saying that, but it does not reflect the entire Pirate Party's desires.<br> <br>

Other than that, the summary is right.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd like to note that the summary is not entirely correct .
We are not saying that people should have the right to copy whatever they like , despite what public opinion might be .
Copyright is an important tool for innovation , we just think that it has gone too far ( death + 50 years ?
Come on ! ) .
That does not mean that everyone should be allowed to download as much music/movies/etc .
as they want .
On top of that , we are not saying " phase out patents .
" There are some members of our forums that are saying that , but it does not reflect the entire Pirate Party 's desires .
Other than that , the summary is right .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd like to note that the summary is not entirely correct.
We are not saying that people should have the right to copy whatever they like, despite what public opinion might be.
Copyright is an important tool for innovation, we just think that it has gone too far (death + 50 years?
Come on!).
That does not mean that everyone should be allowed to download as much music/movies/etc.
as they want.
On top of that, we are not saying "phase out patents.
" There are some members of our forums that are saying that, but it does not reflect the entire Pirate Party's desires.
Other than that, the summary is right.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586459</id>
	<title>Re:Multinational Political Party</title>
	<author>Mashiki</author>
	<datestamp>1246810560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green\_party" title="wikipedia.org">Green Party crosses national borders(Europe/EU, and North America)</a> [wikipedia.org], one of my friends here in Ontario is a member.  I've been in long political discussions with him over the pros and cons of his parties ideals.  I belong to the world dominating CPC, so it makes for interesting discussions. But will have to resign in a little while with my new job(can't hold any political affiliation as a public servant).</p><p>I'm always happy to see new political parties pop-up, it means people are expressing their democratic rights if they're unhappy with the current electoral system, or the current ways that the government is heading.  Nothing better in a democracy in my book, especially with the low voter turnout that Canada has been trending the last few years.</p><p>People get the government they vote for, if you don't vote.  You can't bitch.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes the Green Party crosses national borders ( Europe/EU , and North America ) [ wikipedia.org ] , one of my friends here in Ontario is a member .
I 've been in long political discussions with him over the pros and cons of his parties ideals .
I belong to the world dominating CPC , so it makes for interesting discussions .
But will have to resign in a little while with my new job ( ca n't hold any political affiliation as a public servant ) .I 'm always happy to see new political parties pop-up , it means people are expressing their democratic rights if they 're unhappy with the current electoral system , or the current ways that the government is heading .
Nothing better in a democracy in my book , especially with the low voter turnout that Canada has been trending the last few years.People get the government they vote for , if you do n't vote .
You ca n't bitch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes the Green Party crosses national borders(Europe/EU, and North America) [wikipedia.org], one of my friends here in Ontario is a member.
I've been in long political discussions with him over the pros and cons of his parties ideals.
I belong to the world dominating CPC, so it makes for interesting discussions.
But will have to resign in a little while with my new job(can't hold any political affiliation as a public servant).I'm always happy to see new political parties pop-up, it means people are expressing their democratic rights if they're unhappy with the current electoral system, or the current ways that the government is heading.
Nothing better in a democracy in my book, especially with the low voter turnout that Canada has been trending the last few years.People get the government they vote for, if you don't vote.
You can't bitch.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585307</id>
	<title>The neoconservatives are laughing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246789620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The Pirate Party is coming to Canada.</p></div><p>It's likely to split the non-neoconservative vote even further into obscurity.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Pirate Party is coming to Canada.It 's likely to split the non-neoconservative vote even further into obscurity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Pirate Party is coming to Canada.It's likely to split the non-neoconservative vote even further into obscurity.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585405</id>
	<title>Re:Australia Too</title>
	<author>4v4l0n42</author>
	<datestamp>1246791300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The pirates are coming. At this point, there's no stopping them.
<br>
Therir weapons have evolved over time. I can see them riding their bloodthirsty kangaroos, screaming in excitement.
<br>
<br>
Run. RUN!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The pirates are coming .
At this point , there 's no stopping them .
Therir weapons have evolved over time .
I can see them riding their bloodthirsty kangaroos , screaming in excitement .
Run. RUN !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The pirates are coming.
At this point, there's no stopping them.
Therir weapons have evolved over time.
I can see them riding their bloodthirsty kangaroos, screaming in excitement.
Run. RUN!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585613</id>
	<title>Re:It should appeal to the US too</title>
	<author>servognome</author>
	<datestamp>1246795200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>US legislators appear to have forgotten that during the early phases of US growth, the US refused to acknowledge any foreign intellectual property</p></div></blockquote><p>And most people have forgotten that hunter-gatherers didn't recognize the ownership of land since it was unnecessary for their migratory societies.  Yet today we recognize individuals can maintain control over a section of the earth merely with a piece of paper that says so.<br>Technology has changed what is considered valuable.  The domestication of plants and animals required investment to develop land and therefore provided incentive for protecting pieces of land.  The printing press diminished the significance of the physical act of writing, and placed more importance on the ideas conveyed.  Automated mass production has elevated design above the skill of manual craftsmanship.  Now, the internet once again has changed the structure of the economy, further intellectualizing and virtualizing the resources we desire.<br>Generally, people "pirate" the creations of giant marketing machines.  They pay for virtual clothes for virtual people in virtual worlds.  We are transitioning into an ethereal realm, where identities, economies, and communities can't be covered by the laws designed for the physical world.  The legal concepts under development aren't just there to stop the downloading of the latest pop music, intellectual property protects our DNA code, purchases, travel habits, and other information individuals consider private.</p></div>
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<tokenext>US legislators appear to have forgotten that during the early phases of US growth , the US refused to acknowledge any foreign intellectual propertyAnd most people have forgotten that hunter-gatherers did n't recognize the ownership of land since it was unnecessary for their migratory societies .
Yet today we recognize individuals can maintain control over a section of the earth merely with a piece of paper that says so.Technology has changed what is considered valuable .
The domestication of plants and animals required investment to develop land and therefore provided incentive for protecting pieces of land .
The printing press diminished the significance of the physical act of writing , and placed more importance on the ideas conveyed .
Automated mass production has elevated design above the skill of manual craftsmanship .
Now , the internet once again has changed the structure of the economy , further intellectualizing and virtualizing the resources we desire.Generally , people " pirate " the creations of giant marketing machines .
They pay for virtual clothes for virtual people in virtual worlds .
We are transitioning into an ethereal realm , where identities , economies , and communities ca n't be covered by the laws designed for the physical world .
The legal concepts under development are n't just there to stop the downloading of the latest pop music , intellectual property protects our DNA code , purchases , travel habits , and other information individuals consider private .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>US legislators appear to have forgotten that during the early phases of US growth, the US refused to acknowledge any foreign intellectual propertyAnd most people have forgotten that hunter-gatherers didn't recognize the ownership of land since it was unnecessary for their migratory societies.
Yet today we recognize individuals can maintain control over a section of the earth merely with a piece of paper that says so.Technology has changed what is considered valuable.
The domestication of plants and animals required investment to develop land and therefore provided incentive for protecting pieces of land.
The printing press diminished the significance of the physical act of writing, and placed more importance on the ideas conveyed.
Automated mass production has elevated design above the skill of manual craftsmanship.
Now, the internet once again has changed the structure of the economy, further intellectualizing and virtualizing the resources we desire.Generally, people "pirate" the creations of giant marketing machines.
They pay for virtual clothes for virtual people in virtual worlds.
We are transitioning into an ethereal realm, where identities, economies, and communities can't be covered by the laws designed for the physical world.
The legal concepts under development aren't just there to stop the downloading of the latest pop music, intellectual property protects our DNA code, purchases, travel habits, and other information individuals consider private.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586763</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, its Piracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246814460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I support SOME of the Somali Pirates - they are trying to prevent massive illegal fishing and the dumping of toxic waste from Europe/Asia into their waters.  Since they have no Navy/effective government, how else can they stop these boats from polluting and destroying their waters?  Don't always believe the sensationalist FOX news - read up on reality.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I support SOME of the Somali Pirates - they are trying to prevent massive illegal fishing and the dumping of toxic waste from Europe/Asia into their waters .
Since they have no Navy/effective government , how else can they stop these boats from polluting and destroying their waters ?
Do n't always believe the sensationalist FOX news - read up on reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I support SOME of the Somali Pirates - they are trying to prevent massive illegal fishing and the dumping of toxic waste from Europe/Asia into their waters.
Since they have no Navy/effective government, how else can they stop these boats from polluting and destroying their waters?
Don't always believe the sensationalist FOX news - read up on reality.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586371</id>
	<title>The People Fight Back</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1246809660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is not the first sign that the government goes too far outside the will and interests of the people, but it is certainly a very significant one.  Just think about what it takes to collect a group of people who don't know each other personally to fight for a cause?  People are mostly and generally lazy, so the act of doing nothing is perceived as worse than the act of doing something about it.  THIS is how one might measure whether government influenced by business/profit interests has gone too far.</p><p>Clearly, they have gone too far and people are starting to move on it.</p><p>And you can't cite just one reason either.  There are lots of "US Laws" being pushed on other countries... that's motivation.  There are lots of suits being filed and threatend all across the world... that's motivation.  There are even criminal prosecutions going on for which there are no laws directly supporting the action (such as the case of The Pirate Bay)... that's motivation.  And then there's this ominous, secret, national-security treaty that only top level government and copyright interests are a part of... THAT is serious motivation.</p><p>Oh yes, the people are fighting back.  And casual, personal, not for profit, copying and sharing should be allowed as should the tools to facilitate such activities.  And copyrights should be VERY limited in duration, scope, transferability and representation.  (By duration, I mean time.  By scope, I mean what can be covered under copyright and what cannot, by transferability I mean the buying and selling of copyrights and the identification of the PEOPLE [not entities] that created it.  And by representation, I mean how copyright giants can be represented and how those representatives are allowed to behave... what I am trying to say here is no more RIAA/MPAA/BSA/etc.)</p><p>It's time the insanity and fear has been reigned in.  "The power of government" comes from the people, at least in theory, and it's time the government reflects the interests of the people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not the first sign that the government goes too far outside the will and interests of the people , but it is certainly a very significant one .
Just think about what it takes to collect a group of people who do n't know each other personally to fight for a cause ?
People are mostly and generally lazy , so the act of doing nothing is perceived as worse than the act of doing something about it .
THIS is how one might measure whether government influenced by business/profit interests has gone too far.Clearly , they have gone too far and people are starting to move on it.And you ca n't cite just one reason either .
There are lots of " US Laws " being pushed on other countries... that 's motivation .
There are lots of suits being filed and threatend all across the world... that 's motivation .
There are even criminal prosecutions going on for which there are no laws directly supporting the action ( such as the case of The Pirate Bay ) ... that 's motivation .
And then there 's this ominous , secret , national-security treaty that only top level government and copyright interests are a part of... THAT is serious motivation.Oh yes , the people are fighting back .
And casual , personal , not for profit , copying and sharing should be allowed as should the tools to facilitate such activities .
And copyrights should be VERY limited in duration , scope , transferability and representation .
( By duration , I mean time .
By scope , I mean what can be covered under copyright and what can not , by transferability I mean the buying and selling of copyrights and the identification of the PEOPLE [ not entities ] that created it .
And by representation , I mean how copyright giants can be represented and how those representatives are allowed to behave... what I am trying to say here is no more RIAA/MPAA/BSA/etc .
) It 's time the insanity and fear has been reigned in .
" The power of government " comes from the people , at least in theory , and it 's time the government reflects the interests of the people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not the first sign that the government goes too far outside the will and interests of the people, but it is certainly a very significant one.
Just think about what it takes to collect a group of people who don't know each other personally to fight for a cause?
People are mostly and generally lazy, so the act of doing nothing is perceived as worse than the act of doing something about it.
THIS is how one might measure whether government influenced by business/profit interests has gone too far.Clearly, they have gone too far and people are starting to move on it.And you can't cite just one reason either.
There are lots of "US Laws" being pushed on other countries... that's motivation.
There are lots of suits being filed and threatend all across the world... that's motivation.
There are even criminal prosecutions going on for which there are no laws directly supporting the action (such as the case of The Pirate Bay)... that's motivation.
And then there's this ominous, secret, national-security treaty that only top level government and copyright interests are a part of... THAT is serious motivation.Oh yes, the people are fighting back.
And casual, personal, not for profit, copying and sharing should be allowed as should the tools to facilitate such activities.
And copyrights should be VERY limited in duration, scope, transferability and representation.
(By duration, I mean time.
By scope, I mean what can be covered under copyright and what cannot, by transferability I mean the buying and selling of copyrights and the identification of the PEOPLE [not entities] that created it.
And by representation, I mean how copyright giants can be represented and how those representatives are allowed to behave... what I am trying to say here is no more RIAA/MPAA/BSA/etc.
)It's time the insanity and fear has been reigned in.
"The power of government" comes from the people, at least in theory, and it's time the government reflects the interests of the people.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585531</id>
	<title>Re:Everyone</title>
	<author>shutdown -p now</author>
	<datestamp>1246793700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If everyone can get a copy of a movie as soon as it's released in Russia and share it for other people to download, won't that negatively affect attendance in cinemas and DVD sales in other regions?</p></div><p>It won't, because original English movies are not shown in Russia; they're always dubbed, because so few people understand spoken English well enough.</p><p>As for the general point; well, the obvious "fix" on behalf of movie makers would be to release movies at the same time in all markets, no?</p></div>
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<tokenext>If everyone can get a copy of a movie as soon as it 's released in Russia and share it for other people to download , wo n't that negatively affect attendance in cinemas and DVD sales in other regions ? It wo n't , because original English movies are not shown in Russia ; they 're always dubbed , because so few people understand spoken English well enough.As for the general point ; well , the obvious " fix " on behalf of movie makers would be to release movies at the same time in all markets , no ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If everyone can get a copy of a movie as soon as it's released in Russia and share it for other people to download, won't that negatively affect attendance in cinemas and DVD sales in other regions?It won't, because original English movies are not shown in Russia; they're always dubbed, because so few people understand spoken English well enough.As for the general point; well, the obvious "fix" on behalf of movie makers would be to release movies at the same time in all markets, no?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585643</id>
	<title>PirateBay sold out and is sinking</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246796220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Funny Swedish law has changed, the piratebay has sunk and people realize they can go on with their lives without having their daily Warez.</p><p>Oh nooo, the pirates can't ride on the coattails and suck on the tit of American/British movie/music producers for their sites.</p><p>How about a PirateParty that promotes artist and actually show their system of 'free' music/movies actually works. All I see is them riding on the coattails of Americans creativity and talking smack, what is wrong with those other countries that they are not as creative as Americans/British? You know that giant blockbuster and Academy award winning Swedish film? Sorry the only good thing to come out of Sweden is Will Ferrell and even he realized the talent/creativity was in America.</p><p>Going out on a limb here and saying the lack of creativity is caused by the markets and laws that affect copyright, therefore there is no incentive to achieve higher in these countries.</p><p>Go make a good movie and prove all these 'evil corporate' masters wrong. Big talk around here about getting at 'the man' but not willing to do much than otherwise click 'download torrent' and posting BS articles how the judges were all corrupt in the trial. Whatever came out of these corrupt judges, oh wait there will be another corrupt judge when they upstand the ruling again against ThePirateBay(sold out).</p><p>ByeBye piratebay and European flavor of the week political parties.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Funny Swedish law has changed , the piratebay has sunk and people realize they can go on with their lives without having their daily Warez.Oh nooo , the pirates ca n't ride on the coattails and suck on the tit of American/British movie/music producers for their sites.How about a PirateParty that promotes artist and actually show their system of 'free ' music/movies actually works .
All I see is them riding on the coattails of Americans creativity and talking smack , what is wrong with those other countries that they are not as creative as Americans/British ?
You know that giant blockbuster and Academy award winning Swedish film ?
Sorry the only good thing to come out of Sweden is Will Ferrell and even he realized the talent/creativity was in America.Going out on a limb here and saying the lack of creativity is caused by the markets and laws that affect copyright , therefore there is no incentive to achieve higher in these countries.Go make a good movie and prove all these 'evil corporate ' masters wrong .
Big talk around here about getting at 'the man ' but not willing to do much than otherwise click 'download torrent ' and posting BS articles how the judges were all corrupt in the trial .
Whatever came out of these corrupt judges , oh wait there will be another corrupt judge when they upstand the ruling again against ThePirateBay ( sold out ) .ByeBye piratebay and European flavor of the week political parties .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Funny Swedish law has changed, the piratebay has sunk and people realize they can go on with their lives without having their daily Warez.Oh nooo, the pirates can't ride on the coattails and suck on the tit of American/British movie/music producers for their sites.How about a PirateParty that promotes artist and actually show their system of 'free' music/movies actually works.
All I see is them riding on the coattails of Americans creativity and talking smack, what is wrong with those other countries that they are not as creative as Americans/British?
You know that giant blockbuster and Academy award winning Swedish film?
Sorry the only good thing to come out of Sweden is Will Ferrell and even he realized the talent/creativity was in America.Going out on a limb here and saying the lack of creativity is caused by the markets and laws that affect copyright, therefore there is no incentive to achieve higher in these countries.Go make a good movie and prove all these 'evil corporate' masters wrong.
Big talk around here about getting at 'the man' but not willing to do much than otherwise click 'download torrent' and posting BS articles how the judges were all corrupt in the trial.
Whatever came out of these corrupt judges, oh wait there will be another corrupt judge when they upstand the ruling again against ThePirateBay(sold out).ByeBye piratebay and European flavor of the week political parties.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586589</id>
	<title>Re:Sick</title>
	<author>fast turtle</author>
	<datestamp>1246812120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thanks Matey: now I've got to clean my damn screen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks Matey : now I 've got to clean my damn screen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks Matey: now I've got to clean my damn screen.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586753</id>
	<title>Re:As a Canadian, my thoughts</title>
	<author>Fantastic Lad</author>
	<datestamp>1246814280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>I'd be interested in seeing well thought out disagreements, of course.</i> </p><p>That's a very Canadian attitude.  I wish there was more of it up here, but still. . , it's one of the reasons I like living here.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>As for my disagreement. .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.</p><p>The land/idea similarity doesn't really work, and others have tried to point out why with some success.  Here's my go at it. .<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.</p><p>--The desire to deny access to land you own is there generally because you fear people affecting a finite resource.  You want the land to exist according to your desires, and you want to feel safe while living on it, etc.  Your personal experience of the land is what you want to control because any changes to it made by others makes the previous version vanish!  There is only one, so control over it matters.</p><p>Ideas are different.  So long as you have enough disks or paper, ideas can be reproduced indefinitely, so the fear of losing control over your personal experience of that piece of ephemeral property, the idea, can safely be relaxed.</p><p>What people are left with are petty desires.  --Which to me, (I find myself besieged by friends who have become parents of young kids these days), are best seen in mean little girls who want to stop nice little girls from singing the same songs, wearing the same colors, telling the same stories or drawing the same rainbows.  Control over the group for selfish benefit.  It's amazing how you can see the entire world in microcosm while sitting at a picnic table with a bunch of kids and a box of crayons.  I should also add that little boys are much more relaxing.  They don't try to control others minds until they get older.</p><p>The paradox is this; people need to eat, and if your expertise happens to be that of writing or playing music or being artistic, then you somehow have to convert your art into food and shelter.  The funny part is that Artists are rarely the ones complaining about being compensated.  It's the corporate owners who do all the heavy pushing.  I've seen artists who are good at their craft and who make things others want to experience, establish very comfortable lives for themselves, and they way they do it is to get their work out there as much as possible in conjunction with having a large stock of items which they can sell to the public.  Encouraging sharing is a great way to secure future sales as well as other forms of indirect income.</p><p>I write, for instance, and I've given away tons of work for free.  The more of my work which is out there, the more often I am invited (and paid) to speak, make bulk sales, do private contracts.  For an artist, the money doesn't come just from selling a copy of the work; it comes from many sources.  For the corporate middle-man, (the record label, for instance), the money ONLY comes from selling copies, and so they are the ones who dread sharing.  --The corporation also needs a lot more money for its private jets and tall buildings and other needless bullshit.  An artist doesn't need millions of dollars to be secure, comfortable and productive.</p><p>Anyway. . , back at the picnic table and around town, I've noticed that the controlling kids tend to spend a lot of time and energy at the task and everybody watching can see them doing it.  Observers quietly note this behavior and if opportunities come up, there is a silent but powerful force which resists allowing the mean kids from getting what they want, and which works equally to offer security and resources to the nice kids.  And that's great!  Mean behavior should not be rewarded in a community, especially among adults.</p><p>The trick is being aware.  I make a point of quietly making life hell for people who are mean and controlling while making life great for nice and giving people.  People are naturally like this, and so all you have to do is be very open when people are being mean and manipulative and not keep it a secret, (as the mean and manipulative people ALWAYS want you to do).  The community will take care of the rest in a very organic way.  Interesti</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd be interested in seeing well thought out disagreements , of course .
That 's a very Canadian attitude .
I wish there was more of it up here , but still .
. , it 's one of the reasons I like living here .
: ) As for my disagreement .
. .The land/idea similarity does n't really work , and others have tried to point out why with some success .
Here 's my go at it .
. .--The desire to deny access to land you own is there generally because you fear people affecting a finite resource .
You want the land to exist according to your desires , and you want to feel safe while living on it , etc .
Your personal experience of the land is what you want to control because any changes to it made by others makes the previous version vanish !
There is only one , so control over it matters.Ideas are different .
So long as you have enough disks or paper , ideas can be reproduced indefinitely , so the fear of losing control over your personal experience of that piece of ephemeral property , the idea , can safely be relaxed.What people are left with are petty desires .
--Which to me , ( I find myself besieged by friends who have become parents of young kids these days ) , are best seen in mean little girls who want to stop nice little girls from singing the same songs , wearing the same colors , telling the same stories or drawing the same rainbows .
Control over the group for selfish benefit .
It 's amazing how you can see the entire world in microcosm while sitting at a picnic table with a bunch of kids and a box of crayons .
I should also add that little boys are much more relaxing .
They do n't try to control others minds until they get older.The paradox is this ; people need to eat , and if your expertise happens to be that of writing or playing music or being artistic , then you somehow have to convert your art into food and shelter .
The funny part is that Artists are rarely the ones complaining about being compensated .
It 's the corporate owners who do all the heavy pushing .
I 've seen artists who are good at their craft and who make things others want to experience , establish very comfortable lives for themselves , and they way they do it is to get their work out there as much as possible in conjunction with having a large stock of items which they can sell to the public .
Encouraging sharing is a great way to secure future sales as well as other forms of indirect income.I write , for instance , and I 've given away tons of work for free .
The more of my work which is out there , the more often I am invited ( and paid ) to speak , make bulk sales , do private contracts .
For an artist , the money does n't come just from selling a copy of the work ; it comes from many sources .
For the corporate middle-man , ( the record label , for instance ) , the money ONLY comes from selling copies , and so they are the ones who dread sharing .
--The corporation also needs a lot more money for its private jets and tall buildings and other needless bullshit .
An artist does n't need millions of dollars to be secure , comfortable and productive.Anyway .
. , back at the picnic table and around town , I 've noticed that the controlling kids tend to spend a lot of time and energy at the task and everybody watching can see them doing it .
Observers quietly note this behavior and if opportunities come up , there is a silent but powerful force which resists allowing the mean kids from getting what they want , and which works equally to offer security and resources to the nice kids .
And that 's great !
Mean behavior should not be rewarded in a community , especially among adults.The trick is being aware .
I make a point of quietly making life hell for people who are mean and controlling while making life great for nice and giving people .
People are naturally like this , and so all you have to do is be very open when people are being mean and manipulative and not keep it a secret , ( as the mean and manipulative people ALWAYS want you to do ) .
The community will take care of the rest in a very organic way .
Interesti</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I'd be interested in seeing well thought out disagreements, of course.
That's a very Canadian attitude.
I wish there was more of it up here, but still.
. , it's one of the reasons I like living here.
:)As for my disagreement.
. .The land/idea similarity doesn't really work, and others have tried to point out why with some success.
Here's my go at it.
. .--The desire to deny access to land you own is there generally because you fear people affecting a finite resource.
You want the land to exist according to your desires, and you want to feel safe while living on it, etc.
Your personal experience of the land is what you want to control because any changes to it made by others makes the previous version vanish!
There is only one, so control over it matters.Ideas are different.
So long as you have enough disks or paper, ideas can be reproduced indefinitely, so the fear of losing control over your personal experience of that piece of ephemeral property, the idea, can safely be relaxed.What people are left with are petty desires.
--Which to me, (I find myself besieged by friends who have become parents of young kids these days), are best seen in mean little girls who want to stop nice little girls from singing the same songs, wearing the same colors, telling the same stories or drawing the same rainbows.
Control over the group for selfish benefit.
It's amazing how you can see the entire world in microcosm while sitting at a picnic table with a bunch of kids and a box of crayons.
I should also add that little boys are much more relaxing.
They don't try to control others minds until they get older.The paradox is this; people need to eat, and if your expertise happens to be that of writing or playing music or being artistic, then you somehow have to convert your art into food and shelter.
The funny part is that Artists are rarely the ones complaining about being compensated.
It's the corporate owners who do all the heavy pushing.
I've seen artists who are good at their craft and who make things others want to experience, establish very comfortable lives for themselves, and they way they do it is to get their work out there as much as possible in conjunction with having a large stock of items which they can sell to the public.
Encouraging sharing is a great way to secure future sales as well as other forms of indirect income.I write, for instance, and I've given away tons of work for free.
The more of my work which is out there, the more often I am invited (and paid) to speak, make bulk sales, do private contracts.
For an artist, the money doesn't come just from selling a copy of the work; it comes from many sources.
For the corporate middle-man, (the record label, for instance), the money ONLY comes from selling copies, and so they are the ones who dread sharing.
--The corporation also needs a lot more money for its private jets and tall buildings and other needless bullshit.
An artist doesn't need millions of dollars to be secure, comfortable and productive.Anyway.
. , back at the picnic table and around town, I've noticed that the controlling kids tend to spend a lot of time and energy at the task and everybody watching can see them doing it.
Observers quietly note this behavior and if opportunities come up, there is a silent but powerful force which resists allowing the mean kids from getting what they want, and which works equally to offer security and resources to the nice kids.
And that's great!
Mean behavior should not be rewarded in a community, especially among adults.The trick is being aware.
I make a point of quietly making life hell for people who are mean and controlling while making life great for nice and giving people.
People are naturally like this, and so all you have to do is be very open when people are being mean and manipulative and not keep it a secret, (as the mean and manipulative people ALWAYS want you to do).
The community will take care of the rest in a very organic way.
Interesti</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Everyone</title>
	<author>MobileTatsu-NJG</author>
	<datestamp>1246793640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If everyone can get a copy of a movie as soon as it's released in Russia and share it for other people to download, won't that negatively affect attendance in cinemas and DVD sales in other regions?</p></div><p>I remember Episode I being downloadable like a week after the movie came out, so it's not like what you're describing is a new thing.  So far they have not actually proven a loss as a direct result of it.</p></div>
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<tokenext>If everyone can get a copy of a movie as soon as it 's released in Russia and share it for other people to download , wo n't that negatively affect attendance in cinemas and DVD sales in other regions ? I remember Episode I being downloadable like a week after the movie came out , so it 's not like what you 're describing is a new thing .
So far they have not actually proven a loss as a direct result of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If everyone can get a copy of a movie as soon as it's released in Russia and share it for other people to download, won't that negatively affect attendance in cinemas and DVD sales in other regions?I remember Episode I being downloadable like a week after the movie came out, so it's not like what you're describing is a new thing.
So far they have not actually proven a loss as a direct result of it.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28587423</id>
	<title>it's all fun and games until the memex arrives</title>
	<author>a still small voice</author>
	<datestamp>1246821060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...and what then?  When the memex is ubiquitous, will it be illegal to play it back?</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and what then ?
When the memex is ubiquitous , will it be illegal to play it back ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and what then?
When the memex is ubiquitous, will it be illegal to play it back?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585493</id>
	<title>Re:Bad idea</title>
	<author>swilver</author>
	<datestamp>1246793160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My problems with patents is that as more and more people work in a certain field, the change of independent discovery of an idea increases drastically (especially the so-called "ideas" one sees patented these days).  In the software world, any reasonable competent programmer comes up with any number of ideas during the course of their work (sometimes also referred to as "reinventing the wheel", although perhaps on a smaller scale).</p><p>Programming software therefore is rapidly becoming a huge patent minefield, one which is not easily avoided since reinventing the wheel is pretty common in software development.  Taking time to study patents to see if none were violated would make the cost of writing even the simplest software prohibitive.  It would be like writing a message (like this one), except I'd have to check with the patent office if certain ways of expressing my thoughts (like one does in programming) aren't someone's exclusive property.</p><p>In my opinion, the entire of idea of patenting something is assuming that you or your company are so smart that it could not possibly have been discovered by the other 6 billion people on the planet (whether they already did it before you which is often the case, or discover it independently later).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My problems with patents is that as more and more people work in a certain field , the change of independent discovery of an idea increases drastically ( especially the so-called " ideas " one sees patented these days ) .
In the software world , any reasonable competent programmer comes up with any number of ideas during the course of their work ( sometimes also referred to as " reinventing the wheel " , although perhaps on a smaller scale ) .Programming software therefore is rapidly becoming a huge patent minefield , one which is not easily avoided since reinventing the wheel is pretty common in software development .
Taking time to study patents to see if none were violated would make the cost of writing even the simplest software prohibitive .
It would be like writing a message ( like this one ) , except I 'd have to check with the patent office if certain ways of expressing my thoughts ( like one does in programming ) are n't someone 's exclusive property.In my opinion , the entire of idea of patenting something is assuming that you or your company are so smart that it could not possibly have been discovered by the other 6 billion people on the planet ( whether they already did it before you which is often the case , or discover it independently later ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My problems with patents is that as more and more people work in a certain field, the change of independent discovery of an idea increases drastically (especially the so-called "ideas" one sees patented these days).
In the software world, any reasonable competent programmer comes up with any number of ideas during the course of their work (sometimes also referred to as "reinventing the wheel", although perhaps on a smaller scale).Programming software therefore is rapidly becoming a huge patent minefield, one which is not easily avoided since reinventing the wheel is pretty common in software development.
Taking time to study patents to see if none were violated would make the cost of writing even the simplest software prohibitive.
It would be like writing a message (like this one), except I'd have to check with the patent office if certain ways of expressing my thoughts (like one does in programming) aren't someone's exclusive property.In my opinion, the entire of idea of patenting something is assuming that you or your company are so smart that it could not possibly have been discovered by the other 6 billion people on the planet (whether they already did it before you which is often the case, or discover it independently later).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28590123</id>
	<title>Re:Yes, its Piracy</title>
	<author>Draek</author>
	<datestamp>1246805520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Of course. What better way for people to be robbed of their intellectual property and the fruits of their hard work than to find that they cannot patent it, so it will be ripped off by the nearest corporation with the deepest pockets.</p></div><p>They already are being ripped off so, at worst, nothing would change. Being able to crush any independant inventor is one of the (many) perks you get when you have a portfolio of thousands of patents and the best legal teams money can buy.</p><p>But perhaps you could point me to a couple examples where the little guy was able to *successfully* prevent a large corporation from ripping off his inventions without him being destroyed in the following countersuit, I know of none such example and I'm not aware of any story like that being posted here at Slashdot.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course .
What better way for people to be robbed of their intellectual property and the fruits of their hard work than to find that they can not patent it , so it will be ripped off by the nearest corporation with the deepest pockets.They already are being ripped off so , at worst , nothing would change .
Being able to crush any independant inventor is one of the ( many ) perks you get when you have a portfolio of thousands of patents and the best legal teams money can buy.But perhaps you could point me to a couple examples where the little guy was able to * successfully * prevent a large corporation from ripping off his inventions without him being destroyed in the following countersuit , I know of none such example and I 'm not aware of any story like that being posted here at Slashdot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course.
What better way for people to be robbed of their intellectual property and the fruits of their hard work than to find that they cannot patent it, so it will be ripped off by the nearest corporation with the deepest pockets.They already are being ripped off so, at worst, nothing would change.
Being able to crush any independant inventor is one of the (many) perks you get when you have a portfolio of thousands of patents and the best legal teams money can buy.But perhaps you could point me to a couple examples where the little guy was able to *successfully* prevent a large corporation from ripping off his inventions without him being destroyed in the following countersuit, I know of none such example and I'm not aware of any story like that being posted here at Slashdot.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585395</id>
	<title>Pirate party official party in Finland too</title>
	<author>barwasp</author>
	<datestamp>1246791240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.piraattipuolue.fi/" title="piraattipuolue.fi" rel="nofollow">They</a> [piraattipuolue.fi] were registered a bit too late for being able to participate in last months EU-elections.<br> <br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but Congratulations to the <a href="http://www.piratpartiet.se/" title="piratpartiet.se" rel="nofollow">Swedish pirate party</a> [piratpartiet.se] for their EU - parliament seat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They [ piraattipuolue.fi ] were registered a bit too late for being able to participate in last months EU-elections .
... but Congratulations to the Swedish pirate party [ piratpartiet.se ] for their EU - parliament seat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They [piraattipuolue.fi] were registered a bit too late for being able to participate in last months EU-elections.
... but Congratulations to the Swedish pirate party [piratpartiet.se] for their EU - parliament seat.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585413</id>
	<title>Multinational Political Party</title>
	<author>njen</author>
	<datestamp>1246791420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>What is extremely interesting to me is that we are now seeing a multinational political party! Has there ever been such a thing before? It's not too far fetched to say that there might be a Pirate Party in all the major developed countries in the near future. This is truly an interesting prospect indeed.<br>
<br>
I mean these Pirate Parties might not have a majority in any of the countries they are in, but in the near future, the (theoretical) sum total of these parties in each country may well be one of the single biggest political movements across the world we have ever seen.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What is extremely interesting to me is that we are now seeing a multinational political party !
Has there ever been such a thing before ?
It 's not too far fetched to say that there might be a Pirate Party in all the major developed countries in the near future .
This is truly an interesting prospect indeed .
I mean these Pirate Parties might not have a majority in any of the countries they are in , but in the near future , the ( theoretical ) sum total of these parties in each country may well be one of the single biggest political movements across the world we have ever seen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is extremely interesting to me is that we are now seeing a multinational political party!
Has there ever been such a thing before?
It's not too far fetched to say that there might be a Pirate Party in all the major developed countries in the near future.
This is truly an interesting prospect indeed.
I mean these Pirate Parties might not have a majority in any of the countries they are in, but in the near future, the (theoretical) sum total of these parties in each country may well be one of the single biggest political movements across the world we have ever seen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28587975</id>
	<title>Where do I sign up?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246826340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, this is as good as EFF and GNU!  Patents are a drain on the economy.  Cutting patents back to 10 years (maximum), and copyright terms to a maximum of 20 years is the equivilent of putting 50,000 people to work (for life).  The free ride corporations have had for the last few decades is over.  They should have to compete on merit every day, just like everyone else.  Got a great idea?  Good!  You get to benefit for 10 years.  After that, its someone elses turn to improve on it.  If you keep improving on the idea, then you can patent the new thing (and get 10 more years).  Over the working life of an inventor, thats 4 follow-on inventions.  If you drop the ball, someone else gets to pick it up.  I'm sick of this legal bull that lets people have income for life because of 5 minutes work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , this is as good as EFF and GNU !
Patents are a drain on the economy .
Cutting patents back to 10 years ( maximum ) , and copyright terms to a maximum of 20 years is the equivilent of putting 50,000 people to work ( for life ) .
The free ride corporations have had for the last few decades is over .
They should have to compete on merit every day , just like everyone else .
Got a great idea ?
Good ! You get to benefit for 10 years .
After that , its someone elses turn to improve on it .
If you keep improving on the idea , then you can patent the new thing ( and get 10 more years ) .
Over the working life of an inventor , thats 4 follow-on inventions .
If you drop the ball , someone else gets to pick it up .
I 'm sick of this legal bull that lets people have income for life because of 5 minutes work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, this is as good as EFF and GNU!
Patents are a drain on the economy.
Cutting patents back to 10 years (maximum), and copyright terms to a maximum of 20 years is the equivilent of putting 50,000 people to work (for life).
The free ride corporations have had for the last few decades is over.
They should have to compete on merit every day, just like everyone else.
Got a great idea?
Good!  You get to benefit for 10 years.
After that, its someone elses turn to improve on it.
If you keep improving on the idea, then you can patent the new thing (and get 10 more years).
Over the working life of an inventor, thats 4 follow-on inventions.
If you drop the ball, someone else gets to pick it up.
I'm sick of this legal bull that lets people have income for life because of 5 minutes work.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28588907</id>
	<title>Re:Everyone</title>
	<author>Inconnux</author>
	<datestamp>1246791000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>back a few years ago I used to 'pirate' movies.  Usually crappy cam jobs with someone who couldn't hold the camera still and people walking in front of the camera.  Every week I would go to the theater and watch the movies that I enjoyed.  I stopped after getting a 'warning' and my interest in movies has completely dropped off.  I can't even remember the last movie that I went to see.  If anything pirating these films increased the sales of the movie theaters/companies.  I must admit pirating also helped me avoid some major lemons though (battlefield earth!).  I also have a pretty decent DVD collection but haven't kept up in the last couple years as well.</p><p>As for the 'pirate party'... I'm sure I will see their name right beside the rhino party on the ballot...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>back a few years ago I used to 'pirate ' movies .
Usually crappy cam jobs with someone who could n't hold the camera still and people walking in front of the camera .
Every week I would go to the theater and watch the movies that I enjoyed .
I stopped after getting a 'warning ' and my interest in movies has completely dropped off .
I ca n't even remember the last movie that I went to see .
If anything pirating these films increased the sales of the movie theaters/companies .
I must admit pirating also helped me avoid some major lemons though ( battlefield earth ! ) .
I also have a pretty decent DVD collection but have n't kept up in the last couple years as well.As for the 'pirate party'... I 'm sure I will see their name right beside the rhino party on the ballot.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>back a few years ago I used to 'pirate' movies.
Usually crappy cam jobs with someone who couldn't hold the camera still and people walking in front of the camera.
Every week I would go to the theater and watch the movies that I enjoyed.
I stopped after getting a 'warning' and my interest in movies has completely dropped off.
I can't even remember the last movie that I went to see.
If anything pirating these films increased the sales of the movie theaters/companies.
I must admit pirating also helped me avoid some major lemons though (battlefield earth!).
I also have a pretty decent DVD collection but haven't kept up in the last couple years as well.As for the 'pirate party'... I'm sure I will see their name right beside the rhino party on the ballot...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28588179</id>
	<title>Re:The neoconservatives are laughing</title>
	<author>unlametheweak</author>
	<datestamp>1246784580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is so wrong I don't know where to start. First, I'm guessing you're pretty young if you think the Tories have been traditionally strong.</p></div><p>I'll be turning 41 this year; I don't know if you consider this to be "young". I'm not talking about traditions. Though my experiences and time frame reference the period of when Mulroney got into office (the Reagan years for you Americans).</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Secondly, the Liberals are not, not have ever been right wing. Secondly, the Liberals are not, not have ever been right wing. They're a pragmatic centrist party.</p></div><p>WRONG! You obviously don't follow politics in Canada. The liberals are the ones who have always supported warrentless wiretaps, American DMCA type legislation, they supported the war on drugs (to be noted, the senate and some people in the legislature are more liberal about marijuana laws). "Traditionally" the Conservatives (and their original name, the Progressive Conservatives) have been more liberal than the Liberal party of Canada in their politics.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Though as an easterner I have no love for them, I would never say the party as a whole is neo-conservative.</p></div><p>They have supported the abolition of universal health care, an expanded War on Drugs, more rampant and fanatical censorship, etc and so on. They have always been Bush and Reagen supporters and have been followers of the American neocon leadership "scene". In my own province of Ontario the neocons raised taxes on the poor and lowered taxes on the rich, and increased the debt substantially while officially claiming that they were reducing it. The Minister of Welfare told poor people to haggle with grocery stores if they can't get enough to eat. The natianal Conservative party wanted our disgraced leader of this disgraced party to follow them into national politics. This is neoconservatism, not centrism.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Though as an easterner I have no love for them, I would never say the party as a whole is neo-conservative.</p></div><p>Your analysis portrays a fairly right wing bent. The NDP has always been left of center, but they have never (not recently, to my knowledge) supported price controls, the government take over of private businesses, etc. Saying the NDP is not near the centre is pretty extremist.</p><p>From Political Compass</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The Conservative Party's move further towards the Bush-Reagan mix of free market economics with social conservatism makes the somewhat mercurial Liberals look more moderate, despite their own rightward drift.</p></div><p>- Ref., <a href="http://www.politicalcompass.org/canada2008" title="politicalcompass.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.politicalcompass.org/canada2008</a> [politicalcompass.org] There is an overall historical movement to the neocon Right (as is taking place worldwide). The fascism of democracy is on a constant creep into reality.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is so wrong I do n't know where to start .
First , I 'm guessing you 're pretty young if you think the Tories have been traditionally strong.I 'll be turning 41 this year ; I do n't know if you consider this to be " young " .
I 'm not talking about traditions .
Though my experiences and time frame reference the period of when Mulroney got into office ( the Reagan years for you Americans ) .Secondly , the Liberals are not , not have ever been right wing .
Secondly , the Liberals are not , not have ever been right wing .
They 're a pragmatic centrist party.WRONG !
You obviously do n't follow politics in Canada .
The liberals are the ones who have always supported warrentless wiretaps , American DMCA type legislation , they supported the war on drugs ( to be noted , the senate and some people in the legislature are more liberal about marijuana laws ) .
" Traditionally " the Conservatives ( and their original name , the Progressive Conservatives ) have been more liberal than the Liberal party of Canada in their politics.Though as an easterner I have no love for them , I would never say the party as a whole is neo-conservative.They have supported the abolition of universal health care , an expanded War on Drugs , more rampant and fanatical censorship , etc and so on .
They have always been Bush and Reagen supporters and have been followers of the American neocon leadership " scene " .
In my own province of Ontario the neocons raised taxes on the poor and lowered taxes on the rich , and increased the debt substantially while officially claiming that they were reducing it .
The Minister of Welfare told poor people to haggle with grocery stores if they ca n't get enough to eat .
The natianal Conservative party wanted our disgraced leader of this disgraced party to follow them into national politics .
This is neoconservatism , not centrism.Though as an easterner I have no love for them , I would never say the party as a whole is neo-conservative.Your analysis portrays a fairly right wing bent .
The NDP has always been left of center , but they have never ( not recently , to my knowledge ) supported price controls , the government take over of private businesses , etc .
Saying the NDP is not near the centre is pretty extremist.From Political CompassThe Conservative Party 's move further towards the Bush-Reagan mix of free market economics with social conservatism makes the somewhat mercurial Liberals look more moderate , despite their own rightward drift.- Ref. , http : //www.politicalcompass.org/canada2008 [ politicalcompass.org ] There is an overall historical movement to the neocon Right ( as is taking place worldwide ) .
The fascism of democracy is on a constant creep into reality .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is so wrong I don't know where to start.
First, I'm guessing you're pretty young if you think the Tories have been traditionally strong.I'll be turning 41 this year; I don't know if you consider this to be "young".
I'm not talking about traditions.
Though my experiences and time frame reference the period of when Mulroney got into office (the Reagan years for you Americans).Secondly, the Liberals are not, not have ever been right wing.
Secondly, the Liberals are not, not have ever been right wing.
They're a pragmatic centrist party.WRONG!
You obviously don't follow politics in Canada.
The liberals are the ones who have always supported warrentless wiretaps, American DMCA type legislation, they supported the war on drugs (to be noted, the senate and some people in the legislature are more liberal about marijuana laws).
"Traditionally" the Conservatives (and their original name, the Progressive Conservatives) have been more liberal than the Liberal party of Canada in their politics.Though as an easterner I have no love for them, I would never say the party as a whole is neo-conservative.They have supported the abolition of universal health care, an expanded War on Drugs, more rampant and fanatical censorship, etc and so on.
They have always been Bush and Reagen supporters and have been followers of the American neocon leadership "scene".
In my own province of Ontario the neocons raised taxes on the poor and lowered taxes on the rich, and increased the debt substantially while officially claiming that they were reducing it.
The Minister of Welfare told poor people to haggle with grocery stores if they can't get enough to eat.
The natianal Conservative party wanted our disgraced leader of this disgraced party to follow them into national politics.
This is neoconservatism, not centrism.Though as an easterner I have no love for them, I would never say the party as a whole is neo-conservative.Your analysis portrays a fairly right wing bent.
The NDP has always been left of center, but they have never (not recently, to my knowledge) supported price controls, the government take over of private businesses, etc.
Saying the NDP is not near the centre is pretty extremist.From Political CompassThe Conservative Party's move further towards the Bush-Reagan mix of free market economics with social conservatism makes the somewhat mercurial Liberals look more moderate, despite their own rightward drift.- Ref., http://www.politicalcompass.org/canada2008 [politicalcompass.org] There is an overall historical movement to the neocon Right (as is taking place worldwide).
The fascism of democracy is on a constant creep into reality.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28589945</id>
	<title>Re:Multinational Political Party</title>
	<author>Andy\_R</author>
	<datestamp>1246803300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Europe we have (or possibly had) a party called Libertas, they stood across the whole of the European Union on an anti-EU-corruption platform, but the didn't do very well, just 0.65\% of the votes went to them here in the UK.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Europe we have ( or possibly had ) a party called Libertas , they stood across the whole of the European Union on an anti-EU-corruption platform , but the did n't do very well , just 0.65 \ % of the votes went to them here in the UK .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Europe we have (or possibly had) a party called Libertas, they stood across the whole of the European Union on an anti-EU-corruption platform, but the didn't do very well, just 0.65\% of the votes went to them here in the UK.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585567</id>
	<title>Me, Bender</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246794300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i'm going to make my own pirate party, with blackjack... and hookers!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i 'm going to make my own pirate party , with blackjack... and hookers !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i'm going to make my own pirate party, with blackjack... and hookers!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585669</id>
	<title>Re:Everyone</title>
	<author>rohan972</author>
	<datestamp>1246797000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If everyone can get a copy of a movie as soon as it's released in Russia and share it for other people to download, won't that negatively affect attendance in cinemas and DVD sales in other regions?</p></div><p>Yes, or rather, probably. Potentially, the portions of the entertainment industry that rely on sales of infinitely copyable information may wither and die. However that pales into insignificance when you consider the issues of how copyright is affecting education, for example. Compulsory schools using copyrighted texts for material that is already in the public domain, such as school level mathematics, amounts to an education tax.
<br> <br>
Screw the movie industry, give me an educated population without draining the economy. I've recently begun buying out of copyright textbooks. Composition &amp; Rhetoric, Arithmetic, Algebra and a few other topics so far. Basic mathematics doesn't change, so will be online soon, along with anything else I find that is still educationally relevant.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If everyone can get a copy of a movie as soon as it 's released in Russia and share it for other people to download , wo n't that negatively affect attendance in cinemas and DVD sales in other regions ? Yes , or rather , probably .
Potentially , the portions of the entertainment industry that rely on sales of infinitely copyable information may wither and die .
However that pales into insignificance when you consider the issues of how copyright is affecting education , for example .
Compulsory schools using copyrighted texts for material that is already in the public domain , such as school level mathematics , amounts to an education tax .
Screw the movie industry , give me an educated population without draining the economy .
I 've recently begun buying out of copyright textbooks .
Composition &amp; Rhetoric , Arithmetic , Algebra and a few other topics so far .
Basic mathematics does n't change , so will be online soon , along with anything else I find that is still educationally relevant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If everyone can get a copy of a movie as soon as it's released in Russia and share it for other people to download, won't that negatively affect attendance in cinemas and DVD sales in other regions?Yes, or rather, probably.
Potentially, the portions of the entertainment industry that rely on sales of infinitely copyable information may wither and die.
However that pales into insignificance when you consider the issues of how copyright is affecting education, for example.
Compulsory schools using copyrighted texts for material that is already in the public domain, such as school level mathematics, amounts to an education tax.
Screw the movie industry, give me an educated population without draining the economy.
I've recently begun buying out of copyright textbooks.
Composition &amp; Rhetoric, Arithmetic, Algebra and a few other topics so far.
Basic mathematics doesn't change, so will be online soon, along with anything else I find that is still educationally relevant.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585873</id>
	<title>Re:As a Canadian, my thoughts</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1246801440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I see this in a similar manner as land ownership.</p></div><p>Land: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarcity" title="wikipedia.org">Scarce,</a> [wikipedia.org] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rivalry\_(economics)" title="wikipedia.org">rival</a> [wikipedia.org] and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excludability" title="wikipedia.org">excludable.</a> [wikipedia.org]<br>Ideas: <b>None of the Above</b></p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I see this in a similar manner as land ownership.Land : Scarce , [ wikipedia.org ] rival [ wikipedia.org ] and excludable .
[ wikipedia.org ] Ideas : None of the Above</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I see this in a similar manner as land ownership.Land: Scarce, [wikipedia.org] rival [wikipedia.org] and excludable.
[wikipedia.org]Ideas: None of the Above
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28587777</id>
	<title>Re:Grog?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246824720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>actually.... pirates drank grog more than straight rum<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... grog = survival, rum = fun</p><p>They would drink grog because the rum helped keep the water sterile on long voyages, and not get scummy and brackish<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>actually.... pirates drank grog more than straight rum ... grog = survival , rum = funThey would drink grog because the rum helped keep the water sterile on long voyages , and not get scummy and brackish .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actually.... pirates drank grog more than straight rum ... grog = survival, rum = funThey would drink grog because the rum helped keep the water sterile on long voyages, and not get scummy and brackish ...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28588203</id>
	<title>Re:The neoconservatives are laughing</title>
	<author>aynoknman</author>
	<datestamp>1246784820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's very difficult for any single-issue party to be "serious" in a 'first past the pole', non-proportional representation system. When you have to have 51\% of the vote in a geographical area, you can't earn that on something as ethereal as intellectual property issues. Most people want jobs, paved roads and decent health care.
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<br>
I think the best we can hope for is to try to get the large parties to replace the toadies/dupes of the CRIA like Jim "C-61" Prentice. The Conservatives seem to be doing better with <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLme4avxTus" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">Tony Clement</a> [youtube.com] and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C\_OHx2PpsoQ" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">James Moore</a> [youtube.com] but it remains to be seen if they'll "walk the walk" as much as they "talk the talk".
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&lt;typical Canadian smugness&gt;At least we seem to be doing better in Canada than our less fortunate neighbours to the south whose political parties are both evidently in the thrall of the MAFIAA.&lt;/typical Canadian smugness&gt;
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<i>
Relativity: A grook with no reference whatever to the two-party system
<br>
<br>To wear a shirt that's relatively clean,
<br>You needn't ever launder off the dirt
<br>If you possess two shirts to choose between
<br>and always change into the cleaner shirt.
<br>-- Piet Hein
</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's very difficult for any single-issue party to be " serious " in a 'first past the pole ' , non-proportional representation system .
When you have to have 51 \ % of the vote in a geographical area , you ca n't earn that on something as ethereal as intellectual property issues .
Most people want jobs , paved roads and decent health care .
I think the best we can hope for is to try to get the large parties to replace the toadies/dupes of the CRIA like Jim " C-61 " Prentice .
The Conservatives seem to be doing better with Tony Clement [ youtube.com ] and James Moore [ youtube.com ] but it remains to be seen if they 'll " walk the walk " as much as they " talk the talk " .
At least we seem to be doing better in Canada than our less fortunate neighbours to the south whose political parties are both evidently in the thrall of the MAFIAA .
Relativity : A grook with no reference whatever to the two-party system To wear a shirt that 's relatively clean , You need n't ever launder off the dirt If you possess two shirts to choose between and always change into the cleaner shirt .
-- Piet Hein</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's very difficult for any single-issue party to be "serious" in a 'first past the pole', non-proportional representation system.
When you have to have 51\% of the vote in a geographical area, you can't earn that on something as ethereal as intellectual property issues.
Most people want jobs, paved roads and decent health care.
I think the best we can hope for is to try to get the large parties to replace the toadies/dupes of the CRIA like Jim "C-61" Prentice.
The Conservatives seem to be doing better with Tony Clement [youtube.com] and James Moore [youtube.com] but it remains to be seen if they'll "walk the walk" as much as they "talk the talk".
At least we seem to be doing better in Canada than our less fortunate neighbours to the south whose political parties are both evidently in the thrall of the MAFIAA.
Relativity: A grook with no reference whatever to the two-party system

To wear a shirt that's relatively clean,
You needn't ever launder off the dirt
If you possess two shirts to choose between
and always change into the cleaner shirt.
-- Piet Hein
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585355</id>
	<title>Re:Everyone</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1246790400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Probably not.</p><p>I can already get a movie as soon as it's out in cinemas. You may rest assured as soon as it's released somewhere on this planet, a torrent is created shortly afterwards. That's already how it's done. Do you think "allowing" this to exist in a country would change it one little bit? How can you spread it earlier than at the same time you get to see it at all?</p><p>Yet, people still go to the movies and they still buy DVDs. Why? Simple. I don't have a THX system at home and neither do I have a huge screen. And certainly no 3D machine. If the movie is good enough, I wanna see it like that! But is it worth the 10 bucks or more? I'm not gonna waste 10 bucks and 2-3 hours of my life on a movie when I don't know if it's worth it. 9 out of 10 times it's not. And, being a statistician, at that odds I'm on average better off if I don't go.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably not.I can already get a movie as soon as it 's out in cinemas .
You may rest assured as soon as it 's released somewhere on this planet , a torrent is created shortly afterwards .
That 's already how it 's done .
Do you think " allowing " this to exist in a country would change it one little bit ?
How can you spread it earlier than at the same time you get to see it at all ? Yet , people still go to the movies and they still buy DVDs .
Why ? Simple .
I do n't have a THX system at home and neither do I have a huge screen .
And certainly no 3D machine .
If the movie is good enough , I wan na see it like that !
But is it worth the 10 bucks or more ?
I 'm not gon na waste 10 bucks and 2-3 hours of my life on a movie when I do n't know if it 's worth it .
9 out of 10 times it 's not .
And , being a statistician , at that odds I 'm on average better off if I do n't go .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably not.I can already get a movie as soon as it's out in cinemas.
You may rest assured as soon as it's released somewhere on this planet, a torrent is created shortly afterwards.
That's already how it's done.
Do you think "allowing" this to exist in a country would change it one little bit?
How can you spread it earlier than at the same time you get to see it at all?Yet, people still go to the movies and they still buy DVDs.
Why? Simple.
I don't have a THX system at home and neither do I have a huge screen.
And certainly no 3D machine.
If the movie is good enough, I wanna see it like that!
But is it worth the 10 bucks or more?
I'm not gonna waste 10 bucks and 2-3 hours of my life on a movie when I don't know if it's worth it.
9 out of 10 times it's not.
And, being a statistician, at that odds I'm on average better off if I don't go.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585421</id>
	<title>Re:Sick</title>
	<author>PolygamousRanchKid </author>
	<datestamp>1246791720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What happened to grog, wenches and plunder?</p> </div><p>It's been replaced with "Rum, Sodomy and the Lash."
</p><p>"Arrrgg, matie, thirty days at sea, and not a  wench to be seen."
</p><p>"Grease up the monkey."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What happened to grog , wenches and plunder ?
It 's been replaced with " Rum , Sodomy and the Lash .
" " Arrrgg , matie , thirty days at sea , and not a wench to be seen .
" " Grease up the monkey .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What happened to grog, wenches and plunder?
It's been replaced with "Rum, Sodomy and the Lash.
"
"Arrrgg, matie, thirty days at sea, and not a  wench to be seen.
"
"Grease up the monkey.
"
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585291</id>
	<title>Sick</title>
	<author>iamdrscience</author>
	<datestamp>1246789500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I for one am sick of these neo-pirates perverting the time-tested ideals of classical piratism. Copyright and patent reform? What happened to grog, wenches and plunder? For shame on these people, ruining the good name of pirates.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one am sick of these neo-pirates perverting the time-tested ideals of classical piratism .
Copyright and patent reform ?
What happened to grog , wenches and plunder ?
For shame on these people , ruining the good name of pirates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one am sick of these neo-pirates perverting the time-tested ideals of classical piratism.
Copyright and patent reform?
What happened to grog, wenches and plunder?
For shame on these people, ruining the good name of pirates.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585331</id>
	<title>Bad idea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246790100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While it is certainly true that many patents have been granted of late for things that should not pass the obviousness test, patents do provide a strong incentive to develop new technologies.  They provide a monopoly on new inventions for a limited period of time in exchange for disclosing the details of that technology to the world, so it can later be used like others.  If technologies can not be patented, they can be easily duplicated, and researchers will lose their investment when competitors simply duplicate their work without going to the initial research expense.  A better solution would be to properly fund the patent office so that they can hire a sufficient number of examiners with a sufficient depth of expertise to be able to eliminate obvious patents and rapidly process valid ones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While it is certainly true that many patents have been granted of late for things that should not pass the obviousness test , patents do provide a strong incentive to develop new technologies .
They provide a monopoly on new inventions for a limited period of time in exchange for disclosing the details of that technology to the world , so it can later be used like others .
If technologies can not be patented , they can be easily duplicated , and researchers will lose their investment when competitors simply duplicate their work without going to the initial research expense .
A better solution would be to properly fund the patent office so that they can hire a sufficient number of examiners with a sufficient depth of expertise to be able to eliminate obvious patents and rapidly process valid ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While it is certainly true that many patents have been granted of late for things that should not pass the obviousness test, patents do provide a strong incentive to develop new technologies.
They provide a monopoly on new inventions for a limited period of time in exchange for disclosing the details of that technology to the world, so it can later be used like others.
If technologies can not be patented, they can be easily duplicated, and researchers will lose their investment when competitors simply duplicate their work without going to the initial research expense.
A better solution would be to properly fund the patent office so that they can hire a sufficient number of examiners with a sufficient depth of expertise to be able to eliminate obvious patents and rapidly process valid ones.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586045</id>
	<title>Re:It should appeal to the US too</title>
	<author>rayk\_sland</author>
	<datestamp>1246804440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The US has a real problem recognizing anything outside its borders while demanding that everyone else in the world recognize them. But slowly, slowly, humility will come. It has to. The cure for pride is already here. It's name is trillions in DEBT!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The US has a real problem recognizing anything outside its borders while demanding that everyone else in the world recognize them .
But slowly , slowly , humility will come .
It has to .
The cure for pride is already here .
It 's name is trillions in DEBT !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The US has a real problem recognizing anything outside its borders while demanding that everyone else in the world recognize them.
But slowly, slowly, humility will come.
It has to.
The cure for pride is already here.
It's name is trillions in DEBT!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585459</id>
	<title>Re:Sick</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246792500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I for one am sick of these neo-pirates perverting the time-tested ideals of classical piratism. Copyright and patent reform?</p></div></blockquote><p>I don't know if phasing out patents is actually "reform".  If I have my history correct, patents were actually to open information up and get rid of secretive guilds.  In exchange for opening info up, the government grants a limited-time monopoly on it's application to the inventor/discoverer.</p><p>I think nontrivial inventions (like Apple's implementation of multitouch, which itself was made by 2 University of Delaware Professors who started the Fingerworks company which was bought by Apple) deserve protection and the people behind it deserve compensation.  It wouldn't do to allow vultures to sit by the sidelines and just copy the invention after all the hard work is done.</p><p>But yeah, the copyright and patent systems has been extended, abused, and gone beyond all its original perimeters, as bureacracies are prone to do.  But is the other extreme much better here?  Patents should be reformed, but how?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one am sick of these neo-pirates perverting the time-tested ideals of classical piratism .
Copyright and patent reform ? I do n't know if phasing out patents is actually " reform " .
If I have my history correct , patents were actually to open information up and get rid of secretive guilds .
In exchange for opening info up , the government grants a limited-time monopoly on it 's application to the inventor/discoverer.I think nontrivial inventions ( like Apple 's implementation of multitouch , which itself was made by 2 University of Delaware Professors who started the Fingerworks company which was bought by Apple ) deserve protection and the people behind it deserve compensation .
It would n't do to allow vultures to sit by the sidelines and just copy the invention after all the hard work is done.But yeah , the copyright and patent systems has been extended , abused , and gone beyond all its original perimeters , as bureacracies are prone to do .
But is the other extreme much better here ?
Patents should be reformed , but how ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one am sick of these neo-pirates perverting the time-tested ideals of classical piratism.
Copyright and patent reform?I don't know if phasing out patents is actually "reform".
If I have my history correct, patents were actually to open information up and get rid of secretive guilds.
In exchange for opening info up, the government grants a limited-time monopoly on it's application to the inventor/discoverer.I think nontrivial inventions (like Apple's implementation of multitouch, which itself was made by 2 University of Delaware Professors who started the Fingerworks company which was bought by Apple) deserve protection and the people behind it deserve compensation.
It wouldn't do to allow vultures to sit by the sidelines and just copy the invention after all the hard work is done.But yeah, the copyright and patent systems has been extended, abused, and gone beyond all its original perimeters, as bureacracies are prone to do.
But is the other extreme much better here?
Patents should be reformed, but how?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586489</id>
	<title>Re:As a Canadian, my thoughts</title>
	<author>Rocketship Underpant</author>
	<datestamp>1246810920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The concept of ownership only exists in the first place because physical objects are exclusive in their use &#226;" not everyone can make a free copy so one person must be the owner. This does not apply to ideas, therefore the very notion of ownership is moot. You own your copy, that's it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The concept of ownership only exists in the first place because physical objects are exclusive in their use   " not everyone can make a free copy so one person must be the owner .
This does not apply to ideas , therefore the very notion of ownership is moot .
You own your copy , that 's it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The concept of ownership only exists in the first place because physical objects are exclusive in their use â" not everyone can make a free copy so one person must be the owner.
This does not apply to ideas, therefore the very notion of ownership is moot.
You own your copy, that's it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585581</id>
	<title>Still called "The Pirate Party?" Get real.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246794540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't believe they used the name "Pirate Party" to begin with, let alone using the same name now in other countries. Yes it's all very cute and funny. We get it. Most other people do not. These folks will receive NO respect from the ruling class until they change their name and their cavalier attitude. Popular opinion can only be swayed by their brazen display for so long until the mainstream spindoctors throw up a brick wall faster than an underpaid Chinese pseudo-slave. This kind of childish nonsense might cut it in fake countries like Sweden, but if they even plan on expanding their influence to Canada or Australia for real, let alone Germany, the UK, or the US, then they will have to learn to play ball the old fashioned way. In my country (US), calling your political group "The Pirate Party" is a one-way ticket to derision and dismissal. Grow up or get out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't believe they used the name " Pirate Party " to begin with , let alone using the same name now in other countries .
Yes it 's all very cute and funny .
We get it .
Most other people do not .
These folks will receive NO respect from the ruling class until they change their name and their cavalier attitude .
Popular opinion can only be swayed by their brazen display for so long until the mainstream spindoctors throw up a brick wall faster than an underpaid Chinese pseudo-slave .
This kind of childish nonsense might cut it in fake countries like Sweden , but if they even plan on expanding their influence to Canada or Australia for real , let alone Germany , the UK , or the US , then they will have to learn to play ball the old fashioned way .
In my country ( US ) , calling your political group " The Pirate Party " is a one-way ticket to derision and dismissal .
Grow up or get out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't believe they used the name "Pirate Party" to begin with, let alone using the same name now in other countries.
Yes it's all very cute and funny.
We get it.
Most other people do not.
These folks will receive NO respect from the ruling class until they change their name and their cavalier attitude.
Popular opinion can only be swayed by their brazen display for so long until the mainstream spindoctors throw up a brick wall faster than an underpaid Chinese pseudo-slave.
This kind of childish nonsense might cut it in fake countries like Sweden, but if they even plan on expanding their influence to Canada or Australia for real, let alone Germany, the UK, or the US, then they will have to learn to play ball the old fashioned way.
In my country (US), calling your political group "The Pirate Party" is a one-way ticket to derision and dismissal.
Grow up or get out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28586057</id>
	<title>Re:Everyone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246804620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, it is the big screen, that is why I prefer movies. I used to BUY DVD's, until the cheap labor nuts had my job outsourced to a<br>third world country, I think it was Canada or some obscure place like that.  Silly how corporations want to cut everyone's salary<br>and then whine that people are pirating. You think there might be a connection between having no job and NOT BUYING STUFF!!! I DO NOT PIRATE! I am too busy learning to develop nefarious viruses to unleash my jobless<br>vengeance upon the world BWHAHHAHAHA! Then my demands will be known! Chief among them $1 popcorn at the MOVIES!!!</p><p>BWHAHAHAHA!</p><p>More seriously though, I do not believe that corporations (specifically Microsoft) should be allowed to hold patents, only small inventors, and only for a limited amount of time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , it is the big screen , that is why I prefer movies .
I used to BUY DVD 's , until the cheap labor nuts had my job outsourced to athird world country , I think it was Canada or some obscure place like that .
Silly how corporations want to cut everyone 's salaryand then whine that people are pirating .
You think there might be a connection between having no job and NOT BUYING STUFF ! ! !
I DO NOT PIRATE !
I am too busy learning to develop nefarious viruses to unleash my joblessvengeance upon the world BWHAHHAHAHA !
Then my demands will be known !
Chief among them $ 1 popcorn at the MOVIES ! !
! BWHAHAHAHA ! More seriously though , I do not believe that corporations ( specifically Microsoft ) should be allowed to hold patents , only small inventors , and only for a limited amount of time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, it is the big screen, that is why I prefer movies.
I used to BUY DVD's, until the cheap labor nuts had my job outsourced to athird world country, I think it was Canada or some obscure place like that.
Silly how corporations want to cut everyone's salaryand then whine that people are pirating.
You think there might be a connection between having no job and NOT BUYING STUFF!!!
I DO NOT PIRATE!
I am too busy learning to develop nefarious viruses to unleash my joblessvengeance upon the world BWHAHHAHAHA!
Then my demands will be known!
Chief among them $1 popcorn at the MOVIES!!
!BWHAHAHAHA!More seriously though, I do not believe that corporations (specifically Microsoft) should be allowed to hold patents, only small inventors, and only for a limited amount of time.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585947</id>
	<title>Grog?</title>
	<author>Eevee</author>
	<datestamp>1246802640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <b>Rum</b>, wenches, and plunder. Grog is watered-down rum, used by the Royal Navy starting back in the 18th century (but not totally phased out until the 1970.) Pirates aren't nancy-boys like the RN and can handle their rum straight.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rum , wenches , and plunder .
Grog is watered-down rum , used by the Royal Navy starting back in the 18th century ( but not totally phased out until the 1970 .
) Pirates are n't nancy-boys like the RN and can handle their rum straight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Rum, wenches, and plunder.
Grog is watered-down rum, used by the Royal Navy starting back in the 18th century (but not totally phased out until the 1970.
) Pirates aren't nancy-boys like the RN and can handle their rum straight.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28588797</id>
	<title>Green Party's Elizabeth May on The Pirate Party</title>
	<author>gordm</author>
	<datestamp>1246790100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Between CBC's coverage of Canadian Pirate Party and this slashdot post, I had a chance to ask Elizabeth May about the idea of a Canadian Pirate Party.</p><p> <a href="http://r4nt.com/article/green-party-vs-pirate-party/" title="r4nt.com" rel="nofollow">http://r4nt.com/article/green-party-vs-pirate-party/</a> [r4nt.com] </p><p>She says Green Party policy is copyrights should expire in 12 years (as opposed to Canada's effective 100 year copyright durations).</p><p>I know the Green Party doesn't push this aspect of their platform very hard, but it would be nice to have an elected MP speaking on economically optimal copyright durations, as opposed to what is "right" or "wrong" with downloading MP3s (yawn).</p><p> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeGoUun8Ups" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">YouTube video of Elizabeth May on The Pirate Party and Copyright.</a> [youtube.com] Also recycleable (and CC licensed) at <a href="http://www.archive.org/details/ElizabethMay-GreenPartyVsPirateParty" title="archive.org" rel="nofollow">Internet Archive</a> [archive.org].</p><p>If The Pirate Party runs against Greens, then copyleft voters will have their vote split. Given Canada's first-past-the-post system, that guarantees we'll never have an elected MP pushing for shorter copyright duration.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Between CBC 's coverage of Canadian Pirate Party and this slashdot post , I had a chance to ask Elizabeth May about the idea of a Canadian Pirate Party .
http : //r4nt.com/article/green-party-vs-pirate-party/ [ r4nt.com ] She says Green Party policy is copyrights should expire in 12 years ( as opposed to Canada 's effective 100 year copyright durations ) .I know the Green Party does n't push this aspect of their platform very hard , but it would be nice to have an elected MP speaking on economically optimal copyright durations , as opposed to what is " right " or " wrong " with downloading MP3s ( yawn ) .
YouTube video of Elizabeth May on The Pirate Party and Copyright .
[ youtube.com ] Also recycleable ( and CC licensed ) at Internet Archive [ archive.org ] .If The Pirate Party runs against Greens , then copyleft voters will have their vote split .
Given Canada 's first-past-the-post system , that guarantees we 'll never have an elected MP pushing for shorter copyright duration .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Between CBC's coverage of Canadian Pirate Party and this slashdot post, I had a chance to ask Elizabeth May about the idea of a Canadian Pirate Party.
http://r4nt.com/article/green-party-vs-pirate-party/ [r4nt.com] She says Green Party policy is copyrights should expire in 12 years (as opposed to Canada's effective 100 year copyright durations).I know the Green Party doesn't push this aspect of their platform very hard, but it would be nice to have an elected MP speaking on economically optimal copyright durations, as opposed to what is "right" or "wrong" with downloading MP3s (yawn).
YouTube video of Elizabeth May on The Pirate Party and Copyright.
[youtube.com] Also recycleable (and CC licensed) at Internet Archive [archive.org].If The Pirate Party runs against Greens, then copyleft voters will have their vote split.
Given Canada's first-past-the-post system, that guarantees we'll never have an elected MP pushing for shorter copyright duration.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_05_0714203.28585737</id>
	<title>Re:English Pirate Party?</title>
	<author>rbrausse</author>
	<datestamp>1246798860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/" title="pirateparty.org.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/</a> [pirateparty.org.uk]</p><p>(and - to be more generic - on <a href="http://www.pp-international.net/" title="pp-international.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.pp-international.net/</a> [pp-international.net] all pirate party organisations are listed)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.pirateparty.org.uk/ [ pirateparty.org.uk ] ( and - to be more generic - on http : //www.pp-international.net/ [ pp-international.net ] all pirate party organisations are listed )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.pirateparty.org.uk/ [pirateparty.org.uk](and - to be more generic - on http://www.pp-international.net/ [pp-international.net] all pirate party organisations are listed)</sentencetext>
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