<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_04_2236213</id>
	<title>Free Wi-Fi For the Residents of Venice, Italy</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1246730400000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>pmontra writes <i>"The City of Venice, Italy, started to offer <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&amp;sl=it&amp;tl=en&amp;u=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fcorrieredelveneto.corriere.it\%2Fveneziamestre\%2Fnotizie\%2Fcronaca\%2F2009\%2F11-giugno-2009\%2Finternet-wi-fi-gratis-venezia-residenti-1601454344716.shtml">free Wi-Fi to residents</a> (Google translation from <a href="http://corrieredelveneto.corriere.it/veneziamestre/notizie/cronaca/2009/11-giugno-2009/internet-wi-fi-gratis-venezia-residenti-1601454344716.shtml">the Italian source</a>) on July 3 2009. Tourists and other visitors will pay <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUSTRE5622LO20090703">5 Euros a day</a> for the service starting from September. The hot spots are connected to a ten thousand kilometer (6,250 mile) fiber optic LAN the City started deploying in the '90s. The first day of free Internet access has been celebrated with a digital treasure hunt in the channels of the lagoon city."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>pmontra writes " The City of Venice , Italy , started to offer free Wi-Fi to residents ( Google translation from the Italian source ) on July 3 2009 .
Tourists and other visitors will pay 5 Euros a day for the service starting from September .
The hot spots are connected to a ten thousand kilometer ( 6,250 mile ) fiber optic LAN the City started deploying in the '90s .
The first day of free Internet access has been celebrated with a digital treasure hunt in the channels of the lagoon city .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>pmontra writes "The City of Venice, Italy, started to offer free Wi-Fi to residents (Google translation from the Italian source) on July 3 2009.
Tourists and other visitors will pay 5 Euros a day for the service starting from September.
The hot spots are connected to a ten thousand kilometer (6,250 mile) fiber optic LAN the City started deploying in the '90s.
The first day of free Internet access has been celebrated with a digital treasure hunt in the channels of the lagoon city.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28627969</id>
	<title>Goodbye cell bill, hello VOIP?</title>
	<author>astroblaster</author>
	<datestamp>1247045880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Skype, at least, for iPhone and iPod Touch works (only) on WiFi, and works very well. Compared to the poor AT&amp;T coverage in many parts of downtown Atlanta, WiFi coverage could really cover the extra bases... provided one was not moving at high speeds.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Skype , at least , for iPhone and iPod Touch works ( only ) on WiFi , and works very well .
Compared to the poor AT&amp;T coverage in many parts of downtown Atlanta , WiFi coverage could really cover the extra bases... provided one was not moving at high speeds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Skype, at least, for iPhone and iPod Touch works (only) on WiFi, and works very well.
Compared to the poor AT&amp;T coverage in many parts of downtown Atlanta, WiFi coverage could really cover the extra bases... provided one was not moving at high speeds.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28585277</id>
	<title>Re:Very cool.</title>
	<author>Klistvud</author>
	<datestamp>1246789260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Remember to take your cash too. Next, they'll start charging non-residents for drinking water from public fountains. Or, for sitting on park benches.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember to take your cash too .
Next , they 'll start charging non-residents for drinking water from public fountains .
Or , for sitting on park benches .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember to take your cash too.
Next, they'll start charging non-residents for drinking water from public fountains.
Or, for sitting on park benches.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584713</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28592187</id>
	<title>Re:already free access to WLAN</title>
	<author>tapanitarvainen</author>
	<datestamp>1246874220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Slovenian capitol city Ljubljana already has a grid of free WLAN hotpoints for everyone.</p></div><p>So does the Finnish town Oulu with its <a href="http://www.panoulu.net/" title="panoulu.net" rel="nofollow">PanOulu</a> [panoulu.net] network (since 2003  if memory serves).
Somewhat unusually it is a joint operation of the university, the city and some private enterprises, who've found participation makes financial sense even though they can't charge users for it or even force advertisement banners on them.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Slovenian capitol city Ljubljana already has a grid of free WLAN hotpoints for everyone.So does the Finnish town Oulu with its PanOulu [ panoulu.net ] network ( since 2003 if memory serves ) .
Somewhat unusually it is a joint operation of the university , the city and some private enterprises , who 've found participation makes financial sense even though they ca n't charge users for it or even force advertisement banners on them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slovenian capitol city Ljubljana already has a grid of free WLAN hotpoints for everyone.So does the Finnish town Oulu with its PanOulu [panoulu.net] network (since 2003  if memory serves).
Somewhat unusually it is a joint operation of the university, the city and some private enterprises, who've found participation makes financial sense even though they can't charge users for it or even force advertisement banners on them.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584883</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584927</id>
	<title>Why free internet?</title>
	<author>trickyD1ck</author>
	<datestamp>1246824600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As my economics Professor so elegantly explains:
<br>
<em>"And you need top understand that there is such a thing as a free lunch. Canadian health care is free. How do we know that? Because that is what the phrase says. Free. F-R-E-E. Therefore, no one pays for it. It's just there, just like that. Canadian legislators took the advice of an economist like (but not quite like) myself, and with a stroke of a pen, made it free. "</em>
<br>
next free booze for the unemployed, free birth control for the retarded and free money for all!</htmltext>
<tokenext>As my economics Professor so elegantly explains : " And you need top understand that there is such a thing as a free lunch .
Canadian health care is free .
How do we know that ?
Because that is what the phrase says .
Free. F-R-E-E. Therefore , no one pays for it .
It 's just there , just like that .
Canadian legislators took the advice of an economist like ( but not quite like ) myself , and with a stroke of a pen , made it free .
" next free booze for the unemployed , free birth control for the retarded and free money for all !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As my economics Professor so elegantly explains:

"And you need top understand that there is such a thing as a free lunch.
Canadian health care is free.
How do we know that?
Because that is what the phrase says.
Free. F-R-E-E. Therefore, no one pays for it.
It's just there, just like that.
Canadian legislators took the advice of an economist like (but not quite like) myself, and with a stroke of a pen, made it free.
"

next free booze for the unemployed, free birth control for the retarded and free money for all!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28593019</id>
	<title>Wopnet</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246886040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Dagoweb</htmltext>
<tokenext>Dagoweb</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dagoweb</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584871</id>
	<title>sinking city?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246737300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well they have to get something before their city sinks into the ocean.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well they have to get something before their city sinks into the ocean .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well they have to get something before their city sinks into the ocean.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28585047</id>
	<title>It's not really free as in beer...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246827540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... because the city residents have paid - and will be paying - for the infrastructure and the service through taxes or other levied fees.  It's only "free" in the sense that there's no per-minute or per-hour charges; there's still a cost for it, and the city has to pay for it all somehow.  That somehow is most likely higher municipal taxes, whether higher property tax or something else.  I'm not saying that's a bad thing... far from it, if it's being done efficiently.  This is collectivism at its best, hopefully.  It's just not truly free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... because the city residents have paid - and will be paying - for the infrastructure and the service through taxes or other levied fees .
It 's only " free " in the sense that there 's no per-minute or per-hour charges ; there 's still a cost for it , and the city has to pay for it all somehow .
That somehow is most likely higher municipal taxes , whether higher property tax or something else .
I 'm not saying that 's a bad thing... far from it , if it 's being done efficiently .
This is collectivism at its best , hopefully .
It 's just not truly free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... because the city residents have paid - and will be paying - for the infrastructure and the service through taxes or other levied fees.
It's only "free" in the sense that there's no per-minute or per-hour charges; there's still a cost for it, and the city has to pay for it all somehow.
That somehow is most likely higher municipal taxes, whether higher property tax or something else.
I'm not saying that's a bad thing... far from it, if it's being done efficiently.
This is collectivism at its best, hopefully.
It's just not truly free.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28585903</id>
	<title>Cool! But...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246801920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Personally, I think it's pretty neat... But I know a few people with electrosensitivity that have problems if they are around an emitted signal like that for any length of time. Driving past Internet caf&#195;&#169;s or coming by my house for a few minutes is no big deal, but if it were there 24/7, some people may not even be able to live there.<br>I guess there should be some compromise--yes, people want there to be Internet everywhere, not just designated hot-spots, but there's this other side of the coin too.
<br> <br>
Before anybody calls BS, I was skeptical of RF sensitivity too, but I've looked into it and it seems to be real for some folks. Plus, I can hide my wireless router somewhere where you can't see the lights, and my friend can tell me whether it's on or not just from being in the house for a few minutes. It's actually kind of cool, except for the part where he gets a headache after about an hour if I don't turn it off. Weird.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally , I think it 's pretty neat... But I know a few people with electrosensitivity that have problems if they are around an emitted signal like that for any length of time .
Driving past Internet caf     s or coming by my house for a few minutes is no big deal , but if it were there 24/7 , some people may not even be able to live there.I guess there should be some compromise--yes , people want there to be Internet everywhere , not just designated hot-spots , but there 's this other side of the coin too .
Before anybody calls BS , I was skeptical of RF sensitivity too , but I 've looked into it and it seems to be real for some folks .
Plus , I can hide my wireless router somewhere where you ca n't see the lights , and my friend can tell me whether it 's on or not just from being in the house for a few minutes .
It 's actually kind of cool , except for the part where he gets a headache after about an hour if I do n't turn it off .
Weird .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally, I think it's pretty neat... But I know a few people with electrosensitivity that have problems if they are around an emitted signal like that for any length of time.
Driving past Internet cafÃ©s or coming by my house for a few minutes is no big deal, but if it were there 24/7, some people may not even be able to live there.I guess there should be some compromise--yes, people want there to be Internet everywhere, not just designated hot-spots, but there's this other side of the coin too.
Before anybody calls BS, I was skeptical of RF sensitivity too, but I've looked into it and it seems to be real for some folks.
Plus, I can hide my wireless router somewhere where you can't see the lights, and my friend can tell me whether it's on or not just from being in the house for a few minutes.
It's actually kind of cool, except for the part where he gets a headache after about an hour if I don't turn it off.
Weird.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28587727</id>
	<title>This is what went on at the meeting</title>
	<author>Krakadoom</author>
	<datestamp>1246824120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Our city is sinking into the sea, what can we do to stop this development?"
<br> <br>
"... I know, free wireless!"</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Our city is sinking into the sea , what can we do to stop this development ?
" " ... I know , free wireless !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Our city is sinking into the sea, what can we do to stop this development?
"
 
"... I know, free wireless!
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28585097</id>
	<title>Use 3G instead</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246785360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At 5 euro/day ?! Screw that.</p><p>I'll take my 3G phone, which costs 50c/MB roaming on '3' in italy. Good enough for email, and looking up tourist info.<br>I expect you can get a prepaid SIM in Italy that will cover the whole country for a lot less that 5 euro/day.<br>And if you're in Venice, there are better things to do than reading slashdot all day in some wanky tourist cafe on Piazza San Marco. God, I hope it doesn't have a Starbucks now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At 5 euro/day ? !
Screw that.I 'll take my 3G phone , which costs 50c/MB roaming on '3 ' in italy .
Good enough for email , and looking up tourist info.I expect you can get a prepaid SIM in Italy that will cover the whole country for a lot less that 5 euro/day.And if you 're in Venice , there are better things to do than reading slashdot all day in some wanky tourist cafe on Piazza San Marco .
God , I hope it does n't have a Starbucks now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At 5 euro/day ?!
Screw that.I'll take my 3G phone, which costs 50c/MB roaming on '3' in italy.
Good enough for email, and looking up tourist info.I expect you can get a prepaid SIM in Italy that will cover the whole country for a lot less that 5 euro/day.And if you're in Venice, there are better things to do than reading slashdot all day in some wanky tourist cafe on Piazza San Marco.
God, I hope it doesn't have a Starbucks now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584713</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28585187</id>
	<title>Re:Radical proposal??</title>
	<author>worf\_mo</author>
	<datestamp>1246787280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately, in Italy, thanks to one of the so called laws against terrorism (in this case <a href="http://www.camera.it/parlam/leggi/05155l.htm" title="camera.it" rel="nofollow">L155/2005</a> [camera.it]) whoever offers public access to Internet, be it via a wireless hotspot or an Internet cafe or any other means, must first register the customer's data by requesting a valid ID card (or passport, driver's license) and then collect and preserve usage data (but not content).</p><p>Of course criminal organizations and terrorists are using the Internet, but so are millions of law-abiding citizens. And the same criminal organizations and terrorists have been using the telephone system for decades, but public pay phones do not require people to swipe an ID card. Yet.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately , in Italy , thanks to one of the so called laws against terrorism ( in this case L155/2005 [ camera.it ] ) whoever offers public access to Internet , be it via a wireless hotspot or an Internet cafe or any other means , must first register the customer 's data by requesting a valid ID card ( or passport , driver 's license ) and then collect and preserve usage data ( but not content ) .Of course criminal organizations and terrorists are using the Internet , but so are millions of law-abiding citizens .
And the same criminal organizations and terrorists have been using the telephone system for decades , but public pay phones do not require people to swipe an ID card .
Yet .  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately, in Italy, thanks to one of the so called laws against terrorism (in this case L155/2005 [camera.it]) whoever offers public access to Internet, be it via a wireless hotspot or an Internet cafe or any other means, must first register the customer's data by requesting a valid ID card (or passport, driver's license) and then collect and preserve usage data (but not content).Of course criminal organizations and terrorists are using the Internet, but so are millions of law-abiding citizens.
And the same criminal organizations and terrorists have been using the telephone system for decades, but public pay phones do not require people to swipe an ID card.
Yet.
 </sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584965</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28585627</id>
	<title>Vacation?</title>
	<author>Nivlheim</author>
	<datestamp>1246795740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Here I am, a tourist currently right smack in the middle of Venice. And not until I read it on Slashdot two days after the fact have I realized what the big stage on Piazza S. Marco was for.<br>
<br>
What do you mean 'talk to people'?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here I am , a tourist currently right smack in the middle of Venice .
And not until I read it on Slashdot two days after the fact have I realized what the big stage on Piazza S. Marco was for .
What do you mean 'talk to people ' ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here I am, a tourist currently right smack in the middle of Venice.
And not until I read it on Slashdot two days after the fact have I realized what the big stage on Piazza S. Marco was for.
What do you mean 'talk to people'?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584869</id>
	<title>Sounds nice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246737180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But what about privacy? Internet-cafe's are required to make a copy of your passport when you're using their internet. How much will you be spied on when using the wifi service? I guess all packets are stored "against terrorism/child pornography/critisism on berlusconi". Guess the only way to be safe is to setup a vpn and redirect everything over it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But what about privacy ?
Internet-cafe 's are required to make a copy of your passport when you 're using their internet .
How much will you be spied on when using the wifi service ?
I guess all packets are stored " against terrorism/child pornography/critisism on berlusconi " .
Guess the only way to be safe is to setup a vpn and redirect everything over it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But what about privacy?
Internet-cafe's are required to make a copy of your passport when you're using their internet.
How much will you be spied on when using the wifi service?
I guess all packets are stored "against terrorism/child pornography/critisism on berlusconi".
Guess the only way to be safe is to setup a vpn and redirect everything over it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28585577</id>
	<title>Re:It is interesting that...</title>
	<author>Bluesman</author>
	<datestamp>1246794360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, let me be the first to say that nothing is truly "free," and this isn't "free" wireless; it's wireless that is paid for through hidden costs (taxes) that Venicians probably did not have a choice but to bear.  Adding an intermediary between you and the service provider of nearly any industry can only mean higher costs, because for every intermediate step there's overhead.</p><p>For something as relatively inexpensive as providing wireless access points, the penalty is innocuous for believing you can get something for nothing.  Believe that about health care, and the penalty can be rather severe.</p><p>Thus the difference in response.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , let me be the first to say that nothing is truly " free , " and this is n't " free " wireless ; it 's wireless that is paid for through hidden costs ( taxes ) that Venicians probably did not have a choice but to bear .
Adding an intermediary between you and the service provider of nearly any industry can only mean higher costs , because for every intermediate step there 's overhead.For something as relatively inexpensive as providing wireless access points , the penalty is innocuous for believing you can get something for nothing .
Believe that about health care , and the penalty can be rather severe.Thus the difference in response .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, let me be the first to say that nothing is truly "free," and this isn't "free" wireless; it's wireless that is paid for through hidden costs (taxes) that Venicians probably did not have a choice but to bear.
Adding an intermediary between you and the service provider of nearly any industry can only mean higher costs, because for every intermediate step there's overhead.For something as relatively inexpensive as providing wireless access points, the penalty is innocuous for believing you can get something for nothing.
Believe that about health care, and the penalty can be rather severe.Thus the difference in response.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584793</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28585547</id>
	<title>In other news...</title>
	<author>FranTaylor</author>
	<datestamp>1246794000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Venice residents will soon begin renting their accounts to tourists for 3 euros/day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Venice residents will soon begin renting their accounts to tourists for 3 euros/day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Venice residents will soon begin renting their accounts to tourists for 3 euros/day.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584989</id>
	<title>e-gondola broadband</title>
	<author>tbj61898</author>
	<datestamp>1246826400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>With WIFI area coverage all over the famous lagoon city it won't take long for services like "e-gondola", a new service dedicated to people all over the world, mostly lovers but also curious, for their chance to do a [not very] cheap trip under famous Venice bridges and channels... in total relax from their home, wherever they live.<br>
<br>
Someone want to invest in such a good idea?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>With WIFI area coverage all over the famous lagoon city it wo n't take long for services like " e-gondola " , a new service dedicated to people all over the world , mostly lovers but also curious , for their chance to do a [ not very ] cheap trip under famous Venice bridges and channels... in total relax from their home , wherever they live .
Someone want to invest in such a good idea ?
; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With WIFI area coverage all over the famous lagoon city it won't take long for services like "e-gondola", a new service dedicated to people all over the world, mostly lovers but also curious, for their chance to do a [not very] cheap trip under famous Venice bridges and channels... in total relax from their home, wherever they live.
Someone want to invest in such a good idea?
;-)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584779</id>
	<title>Re:Very cool.</title>
	<author>GreenTech11</author>
	<datestamp>1246735800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wish it was active when I went over during Christmas, 5 Euro's a day isn't very expensive really, about the cost of a loaf of a bread in a canal side restaurant!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wish it was active when I went over during Christmas , 5 Euro 's a day is n't very expensive really , about the cost of a loaf of a bread in a canal side restaurant !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wish it was active when I went over during Christmas, 5 Euro's a day isn't very expensive really, about the cost of a loaf of a bread in a canal side restaurant!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584965</id>
	<title>Radical proposal??</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246825560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've read a fair number of these 'City-X provides free internet' stories, and as far as I can tell they all have something in common... they all require everyone to  to register their identity with the government and log on with a username-password.</p><p>To my ears, thats like the government setting up a free water fountain in a park and requiring people to swipe a drivers license or other ID in order to unlock the water. In fact it sounds to me like they are SPENDING who-knows-how-much EXTRA money to buy and maintain the ID scanner and weld it to the water fountain.</p><p>Is it jut me, or are there others out there thinking that free public water fountains (and free public public access WiFi points) should simply be open?</p><p>-</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've read a fair number of these 'City-X provides free internet ' stories , and as far as I can tell they all have something in common... they all require everyone to to register their identity with the government and log on with a username-password.To my ears , thats like the government setting up a free water fountain in a park and requiring people to swipe a drivers license or other ID in order to unlock the water .
In fact it sounds to me like they are SPENDING who-knows-how-much EXTRA money to buy and maintain the ID scanner and weld it to the water fountain.Is it jut me , or are there others out there thinking that free public water fountains ( and free public public access WiFi points ) should simply be open ? -</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've read a fair number of these 'City-X provides free internet' stories, and as far as I can tell they all have something in common... they all require everyone to  to register their identity with the government and log on with a username-password.To my ears, thats like the government setting up a free water fountain in a park and requiring people to swipe a drivers license or other ID in order to unlock the water.
In fact it sounds to me like they are SPENDING who-knows-how-much EXTRA money to buy and maintain the ID scanner and weld it to the water fountain.Is it jut me, or are there others out there thinking that free public water fountains (and free public public access WiFi points) should simply be open?-</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28589687</id>
	<title>Re:It is interesting that...</title>
	<author>Asic Eng</author>
	<datestamp>1246800180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well it seems that it will be financed by the fees charged to the tourists. Assuming that works out, it's free to the residents. A municipality is in some ways similar to a company which is owned by the citizens. You make an investment (installing the infrastructure - paid by taxes) and get a return on that investment (tourists paying for wifi). The dividend in this case is free wireless internet access.
<p>
Of course, instead of paying the dividend as internet access, they could have reduced taxes. So in that respect it's not free.
</p><p>
However for a tourism-centered economy like Venice, it's important to remain attractive for visitors. It's in the interest of any cafe, restaurant or street (canal) vendor, that the attractive squares, bridges and public buildings are maintained. They need to invest in public infrastructure so that they can all benefit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well it seems that it will be financed by the fees charged to the tourists .
Assuming that works out , it 's free to the residents .
A municipality is in some ways similar to a company which is owned by the citizens .
You make an investment ( installing the infrastructure - paid by taxes ) and get a return on that investment ( tourists paying for wifi ) .
The dividend in this case is free wireless internet access .
Of course , instead of paying the dividend as internet access , they could have reduced taxes .
So in that respect it 's not free .
However for a tourism-centered economy like Venice , it 's important to remain attractive for visitors .
It 's in the interest of any cafe , restaurant or street ( canal ) vendor , that the attractive squares , bridges and public buildings are maintained .
They need to invest in public infrastructure so that they can all benefit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well it seems that it will be financed by the fees charged to the tourists.
Assuming that works out, it's free to the residents.
A municipality is in some ways similar to a company which is owned by the citizens.
You make an investment (installing the infrastructure - paid by taxes) and get a return on that investment (tourists paying for wifi).
The dividend in this case is free wireless internet access.
Of course, instead of paying the dividend as internet access, they could have reduced taxes.
So in that respect it's not free.
However for a tourism-centered economy like Venice, it's important to remain attractive for visitors.
It's in the interest of any cafe, restaurant or street (canal) vendor, that the attractive squares, bridges and public buildings are maintained.
They need to invest in public infrastructure so that they can all benefit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28585577</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28590003</id>
	<title>Re:It is interesting that...</title>
	<author>hoojus</author>
	<datestamp>1246804080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>See that's why Venice can do this.  They don't have to waste taxes on the roads!</htmltext>
<tokenext>See that 's why Venice can do this .
They do n't have to waste taxes on the roads !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See that's why Venice can do this.
They don't have to waste taxes on the roads!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584793</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28585755</id>
	<title>Re:Use 3G instead</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246799160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*ALL* 3G contracts in Italy are ripoffs. First X gigs or X hours are Y Euros, then from X+1 they cost Y*10 or even much more. A lot of people I  know were ripped off thinking that if 100 hours a month are 20 Euros then 200 hours, would cost them 40 Euros. Someone tell me why the value of a gigabyte changes over time; I would accept for example if it cost more during daytime due to the higher load of the network, but surely not <i>that</i> way. These conditions are as usual buried into long contracts that nobody reads, but that doesn't change the fact that our telcos are fooling their customers in a dishonest way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* ALL * 3G contracts in Italy are ripoffs .
First X gigs or X hours are Y Euros , then from X + 1 they cost Y * 10 or even much more .
A lot of people I know were ripped off thinking that if 100 hours a month are 20 Euros then 200 hours , would cost them 40 Euros .
Someone tell me why the value of a gigabyte changes over time ; I would accept for example if it cost more during daytime due to the higher load of the network , but surely not that way .
These conditions are as usual buried into long contracts that nobody reads , but that does n't change the fact that our telcos are fooling their customers in a dishonest way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*ALL* 3G contracts in Italy are ripoffs.
First X gigs or X hours are Y Euros, then from X+1 they cost Y*10 or even much more.
A lot of people I  know were ripped off thinking that if 100 hours a month are 20 Euros then 200 hours, would cost them 40 Euros.
Someone tell me why the value of a gigabyte changes over time; I would accept for example if it cost more during daytime due to the higher load of the network, but surely not that way.
These conditions are as usual buried into long contracts that nobody reads, but that doesn't change the fact that our telcos are fooling their customers in a dishonest way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28585097</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584941</id>
	<title>Re:Very cool.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246825200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure we all visit Venice regularly, and were leaving laptops home because there wasn't wifi network available. I know I was. Finally we can bring our laptops!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure we all visit Venice regularly , and were leaving laptops home because there was n't wifi network available .
I know I was .
Finally we can bring our laptops !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure we all visit Venice regularly, and were leaving laptops home because there wasn't wifi network available.
I know I was.
Finally we can bring our laptops!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584713</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28585815</id>
	<title>Re:Radical proposal??</title>
	<author>dkf</author>
	<datestamp>1246800480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Is it jut me, or are there others out there thinking that free public water fountains (and free public access WiFi points) should simply be open?</p></div><p>You're not required to use the free wifi; other mechanisms are still available. "Free" speech does not necessarily mean that it is zero cost, just unrestricted (especially with regard to the political domain). It also does not guarantee anonymity; free speech <i>is</i> public speech.</p><p>To put it a different way: why would the citizens of Venice feel that they have to subsidize your porn access with their taxes?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it jut me , or are there others out there thinking that free public water fountains ( and free public access WiFi points ) should simply be open ? You 're not required to use the free wifi ; other mechanisms are still available .
" Free " speech does not necessarily mean that it is zero cost , just unrestricted ( especially with regard to the political domain ) .
It also does not guarantee anonymity ; free speech is public speech.To put it a different way : why would the citizens of Venice feel that they have to subsidize your porn access with their taxes ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it jut me, or are there others out there thinking that free public water fountains (and free public access WiFi points) should simply be open?You're not required to use the free wifi; other mechanisms are still available.
"Free" speech does not necessarily mean that it is zero cost, just unrestricted (especially with regard to the political domain).
It also does not guarantee anonymity; free speech is public speech.To put it a different way: why would the citizens of Venice feel that they have to subsidize your porn access with their taxes?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584965</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28591399</id>
	<title>Re:Radical proposal??</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246819920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except Mountain View, CA. Uses Google. Granted, you need a Google ID to login, but no one says you have to give out real information.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except Mountain View , CA .
Uses Google .
Granted , you need a Google ID to login , but no one says you have to give out real information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except Mountain View, CA.
Uses Google.
Granted, you need a Google ID to login, but no one says you have to give out real information.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584965</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584717</id>
	<title>First!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246734300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584909</id>
	<title>Wireless@SG</title>
	<author>FeebleOldMan</author>
	<datestamp>1246824240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Singapore has had <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless@SG" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">free wireless coverage</a> [wikipedia.org] in major areas since 2006. I'm glad to see more cities following suit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Singapore has had free wireless coverage [ wikipedia.org ] in major areas since 2006 .
I 'm glad to see more cities following suit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Singapore has had free wireless coverage [wikipedia.org] in major areas since 2006.
I'm glad to see more cities following suit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584793</id>
	<title>It is interesting that...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246736040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...when there is talk about "free" internet there are cheers by the crowds and when there are talk about free health care the opionons are much more polarized.</p><p>Essentially it's the same thing, government and local authorities providing a "free" service. Of course it's not free, every citizen pays his share with taxes.</p><p>FYI I'm totally positive the government arranging for the basic needs of the public, such as health care, eduction, roads, but have not yet taking a stance in the internet.</p><p>Anyway, although i dont know much about italian internet i'm sure that if this becomes common practice it will affect companies that try to sell internet for living.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...when there is talk about " free " internet there are cheers by the crowds and when there are talk about free health care the opionons are much more polarized.Essentially it 's the same thing , government and local authorities providing a " free " service .
Of course it 's not free , every citizen pays his share with taxes.FYI I 'm totally positive the government arranging for the basic needs of the public , such as health care , eduction , roads , but have not yet taking a stance in the internet.Anyway , although i dont know much about italian internet i 'm sure that if this becomes common practice it will affect companies that try to sell internet for living .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...when there is talk about "free" internet there are cheers by the crowds and when there are talk about free health care the opionons are much more polarized.Essentially it's the same thing, government and local authorities providing a "free" service.
Of course it's not free, every citizen pays his share with taxes.FYI I'm totally positive the government arranging for the basic needs of the public, such as health care, eduction, roads, but have not yet taking a stance in the internet.Anyway, although i dont know much about italian internet i'm sure that if this becomes common practice it will affect companies that try to sell internet for living.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28586705</id>
	<title>Venice for Italians</title>
	<author>steveha</author>
	<datestamp>1246813620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suspect that one of the reasons the Italian government did this was to make Venice a little bit more attractive as a place to live.</p><p>Venice is an amazing place, full of history.  It's also an expensive place, as it is somewhat disconnected (no cars or trucks for hauling stuff, just boats and hand carts) and the glorious old houses are somewhat crumbling.  I read that the Italian government is worried about a trend where wealthy foreigners buy apartments or houses in Venice; they don't want Venice to become primarily a theme park for the wealthy, they would rather have Italians living there.  IIRC if you are Italian and you move to Venice, you can get a stipend from the Italian government to help defray your living expenses.</p><p>This is clever.  Venice is small enough to be carpeted wall-to-wall with good wireless signal, and it shouldn't have cost too much.  It's a simple thing that wasn't hard to do that will make Venice much more interesting as a place to live.</p><p>steveha</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suspect that one of the reasons the Italian government did this was to make Venice a little bit more attractive as a place to live.Venice is an amazing place , full of history .
It 's also an expensive place , as it is somewhat disconnected ( no cars or trucks for hauling stuff , just boats and hand carts ) and the glorious old houses are somewhat crumbling .
I read that the Italian government is worried about a trend where wealthy foreigners buy apartments or houses in Venice ; they do n't want Venice to become primarily a theme park for the wealthy , they would rather have Italians living there .
IIRC if you are Italian and you move to Venice , you can get a stipend from the Italian government to help defray your living expenses.This is clever .
Venice is small enough to be carpeted wall-to-wall with good wireless signal , and it should n't have cost too much .
It 's a simple thing that was n't hard to do that will make Venice much more interesting as a place to live.steveha</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suspect that one of the reasons the Italian government did this was to make Venice a little bit more attractive as a place to live.Venice is an amazing place, full of history.
It's also an expensive place, as it is somewhat disconnected (no cars or trucks for hauling stuff, just boats and hand carts) and the glorious old houses are somewhat crumbling.
I read that the Italian government is worried about a trend where wealthy foreigners buy apartments or houses in Venice; they don't want Venice to become primarily a theme park for the wealthy, they would rather have Italians living there.
IIRC if you are Italian and you move to Venice, you can get a stipend from the Italian government to help defray your living expenses.This is clever.
Venice is small enough to be carpeted wall-to-wall with good wireless signal, and it shouldn't have cost too much.
It's a simple thing that wasn't hard to do that will make Venice much more interesting as a place to live.steveha</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28585005</id>
	<title>NIce, BUT:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246826640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What is the bandwith? Is there a cap on the amount of data?</p><p>Because, you know, bandwith on the backbone is not free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What is the bandwith ?
Is there a cap on the amount of data ? Because , you know , bandwith on the backbone is not free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is the bandwith?
Is there a cap on the amount of data?Because, you know, bandwith on the backbone is not free.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28586125</id>
	<title>Re:Radical proposal??</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1246805760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The concept of non-free wifi hotspots sounds as alien to me today as it sound the first day I encountered one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The concept of non-free wifi hotspots sounds as alien to me today as it sound the first day I encountered one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The concept of non-free wifi hotspots sounds as alien to me today as it sound the first day I encountered one.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584965</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28587605</id>
	<title>Free as in superifical</title>
	<author>MSTCrow5429</author>
	<datestamp>1246822920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Free, eh?  So no taxes or anything are involved, huh?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Free , eh ?
So no taxes or anything are involved , huh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Free, eh?
So no taxes or anything are involved, huh?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28585079</id>
	<title>Re:It is interesting that...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246784880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, they'll actually have to be worth the money you pay them. Perhaps with much faster speeds?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , they 'll actually have to be worth the money you pay them .
Perhaps with much faster speeds ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, they'll actually have to be worth the money you pay them.
Perhaps with much faster speeds?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584793</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584775</id>
	<title>When does the spam begin?</title>
	<author>Skapare</author>
	<datestamp>1246735680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... oh wait.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... oh wait .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... oh wait.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584907</id>
	<title>Super</title>
	<author>tiger32kw</author>
	<datestamp>1246824180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Jealous</htmltext>
<tokenext>Jealous</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Jealous</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28585003</id>
	<title>War Sailing</title>
	<author>Renderer of Evil</author>
	<datestamp>1246826580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm just glad I don't have to do warsailing anymore. In the past I used to tell my boat rower to keep it steady long enough to break the WPA-PSK while wearing that ridiculous mask.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm just glad I do n't have to do warsailing anymore .
In the past I used to tell my boat rower to keep it steady long enough to break the WPA-PSK while wearing that ridiculous mask .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm just glad I don't have to do warsailing anymore.
In the past I used to tell my boat rower to keep it steady long enough to break the WPA-PSK while wearing that ridiculous mask.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584713</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28585983</id>
	<title>LAN?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246803360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>10 megametre of glassfibre is not a LAN. Can we get some competence in stories here, people?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>10 megametre of glassfibre is not a LAN .
Can we get some competence in stories here , people ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>10 megametre of glassfibre is not a LAN.
Can we get some competence in stories here, people?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584781</id>
	<title>How long ...</title>
	<author>Norsefire</author>
	<datestamp>1246735800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>... until WiFi access is as ubiquitous as mobile-network access and people pay for usage much the same as for mobile phones.</htmltext>
<tokenext>... until WiFi access is as ubiquitous as mobile-network access and people pay for usage much the same as for mobile phones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... until WiFi access is as ubiquitous as mobile-network access and people pay for usage much the same as for mobile phones.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584935</id>
	<title>With good reason</title>
	<author>canonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246824720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a public safety issue! The less wires the better for the next time the city floods.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a public safety issue !
The less wires the better for the next time the city floods .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a public safety issue!
The less wires the better for the next time the city floods.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28586377</id>
	<title>Hume's principle</title>
	<author>Kupfernigk</author>
	<datestamp>1246809720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Faced with a choice between the apparently miraculous (your friend is able to detect minute levels of RF) and the alternative (you know whether it is off or on and you give subtle visual clues) I will go for the latter every single time.<p>In Glastonbury, UK, people complained of headaches caused by a town center wireless station, but amazingly none of them were affected by their mobile phones. On the other hand, the leader of the complainers seems to be in the business of selling magic crystals that protect you from RF radiation. Strangely, where I live, in a different part of Somerset with a lot more industry and wireless networks all over the place, nobody seems to suffer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Faced with a choice between the apparently miraculous ( your friend is able to detect minute levels of RF ) and the alternative ( you know whether it is off or on and you give subtle visual clues ) I will go for the latter every single time.In Glastonbury , UK , people complained of headaches caused by a town center wireless station , but amazingly none of them were affected by their mobile phones .
On the other hand , the leader of the complainers seems to be in the business of selling magic crystals that protect you from RF radiation .
Strangely , where I live , in a different part of Somerset with a lot more industry and wireless networks all over the place , nobody seems to suffer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Faced with a choice between the apparently miraculous (your friend is able to detect minute levels of RF) and the alternative (you know whether it is off or on and you give subtle visual clues) I will go for the latter every single time.In Glastonbury, UK, people complained of headaches caused by a town center wireless station, but amazingly none of them were affected by their mobile phones.
On the other hand, the leader of the complainers seems to be in the business of selling magic crystals that protect you from RF radiation.
Strangely, where I live, in a different part of Somerset with a lot more industry and wireless networks all over the place, nobody seems to suffer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28588231</id>
	<title>Re:Radical proposal??</title>
	<author>BitZtream</author>
	<datestamp>1246785000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can police a water fountain by putting a police office next to it to deter or prevent crime occurring on/near the water fountain.</p><p>Its far harder to effectively police roaming wifi.  They have to have some way to tie the usage to a person otherwise it will just turn into a free for all much like EFNet 10 years ago.</p><p>Requiring identification gives them SOMETHING to trace.  So yes, it is that the goverment is trying to track you and what you are doing, thats kind of how it works when you have to provide some level of protection against crime.</p><p>The solution:<br>Don't use it, no tracking, no problem, its not like its a requirement, there are alternatives, all of those will also require you to register though, but since you don't seem to be bitching about registration in general, just when the government does it, then it shouldn't make your tin foil hat glow too much.</p><p>Of course, the government has plenty of ways they can get get all the data from any 3rd party operating in your country as well already, this really just translates into someone (you) freaking out over something they've put very little (none) thought into.</p><p>Public water fountains are monitored, even if you don't realize it.  They are monitored by the the citizens in the general area at the time.</p><p>Really, what you are concerned with is that someone might see you doing something you wouldn't want anyone else to know.  Heres the neat part though, theres are REALLY REALLY good chance, no one gives a flying fuck that you go look at videos of people eating shit while they fuck horses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can police a water fountain by putting a police office next to it to deter or prevent crime occurring on/near the water fountain.Its far harder to effectively police roaming wifi .
They have to have some way to tie the usage to a person otherwise it will just turn into a free for all much like EFNet 10 years ago.Requiring identification gives them SOMETHING to trace .
So yes , it is that the goverment is trying to track you and what you are doing , thats kind of how it works when you have to provide some level of protection against crime.The solution : Do n't use it , no tracking , no problem , its not like its a requirement , there are alternatives , all of those will also require you to register though , but since you do n't seem to be bitching about registration in general , just when the government does it , then it should n't make your tin foil hat glow too much.Of course , the government has plenty of ways they can get get all the data from any 3rd party operating in your country as well already , this really just translates into someone ( you ) freaking out over something they 've put very little ( none ) thought into.Public water fountains are monitored , even if you do n't realize it .
They are monitored by the the citizens in the general area at the time.Really , what you are concerned with is that someone might see you doing something you would n't want anyone else to know .
Heres the neat part though , theres are REALLY REALLY good chance , no one gives a flying fuck that you go look at videos of people eating shit while they fuck horses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can police a water fountain by putting a police office next to it to deter or prevent crime occurring on/near the water fountain.Its far harder to effectively police roaming wifi.
They have to have some way to tie the usage to a person otherwise it will just turn into a free for all much like EFNet 10 years ago.Requiring identification gives them SOMETHING to trace.
So yes, it is that the goverment is trying to track you and what you are doing, thats kind of how it works when you have to provide some level of protection against crime.The solution:Don't use it, no tracking, no problem, its not like its a requirement, there are alternatives, all of those will also require you to register though, but since you don't seem to be bitching about registration in general, just when the government does it, then it shouldn't make your tin foil hat glow too much.Of course, the government has plenty of ways they can get get all the data from any 3rd party operating in your country as well already, this really just translates into someone (you) freaking out over something they've put very little (none) thought into.Public water fountains are monitored, even if you don't realize it.
They are monitored by the the citizens in the general area at the time.Really, what you are concerned with is that someone might see you doing something you wouldn't want anyone else to know.
Heres the neat part though, theres are REALLY REALLY good chance, no one gives a flying fuck that you go look at videos of people eating shit while they fuck horses.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584965</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28585279</id>
	<title>Re:Radical proposal??</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246789260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What will the Jews do now? We can't have thousands of people being able to post ANONYMOUSLY on the internet, without the constant threat of imprisonment, for 'saying the wrong things', can we!</p><p>How will the Jews maintain their grip on our governments and media, if we find out the truth about the 'Holocaust'?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What will the Jews do now ?
We ca n't have thousands of people being able to post ANONYMOUSLY on the internet , without the constant threat of imprisonment , for 'saying the wrong things ' , can we ! How will the Jews maintain their grip on our governments and media , if we find out the truth about the 'Holocaust ' ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What will the Jews do now?
We can't have thousands of people being able to post ANONYMOUSLY on the internet, without the constant threat of imprisonment, for 'saying the wrong things', can we!How will the Jews maintain their grip on our governments and media, if we find out the truth about the 'Holocaust'?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584965</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584883</id>
	<title>already free access to WLAN</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246737480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Slovenian capitol city Ljubljana already has a grid of free WLAN hotpoints for everyone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Slovenian capitol city Ljubljana already has a grid of free WLAN hotpoints for everyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Slovenian capitol city Ljubljana already has a grid of free WLAN hotpoints for everyone.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28586151</id>
	<title>Re:It's not really free as in beer...</title>
	<author>squeeze69</author>
	<datestamp>1246806120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know, if Cacciari (the major) is smart enough, Venice could get a really cheap contract through sponsors. It's a little bit known in the world and has some tourist now and then.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know , if Cacciari ( the major ) is smart enough , Venice could get a really cheap contract through sponsors .
It 's a little bit known in the world and has some tourist now and then .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know, if Cacciari (the major) is smart enough, Venice could get a really cheap contract through sponsors.
It's a little bit known in the world and has some tourist now and then.
:-)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28585035</id>
	<title>Re:It is interesting that...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246827360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's an interesting comparison:</p><p>Paying for bottled water is popular without question in areas where people already pay for perfectly safe drinking water.</p><p>Where free wi-fi is proposed, the debate is virtually always a matter of ethics, and not cost.</p><p>Free health care?  FUCK THAT!!!  DON'T YOU DARE RAISE MY TAXES YOU PINKO COMMIES!!!</p><p>ahem..  I mean, it often encounters far more resistance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's an interesting comparison : Paying for bottled water is popular without question in areas where people already pay for perfectly safe drinking water.Where free wi-fi is proposed , the debate is virtually always a matter of ethics , and not cost.Free health care ?
FUCK THAT ! ! !
DO N'T YOU DARE RAISE MY TAXES YOU PINKO COMMIES ! ! ! ahem. .
I mean , it often encounters far more resistance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's an interesting comparison:Paying for bottled water is popular without question in areas where people already pay for perfectly safe drinking water.Where free wi-fi is proposed, the debate is virtually always a matter of ethics, and not cost.Free health care?
FUCK THAT!!!
DON'T YOU DARE RAISE MY TAXES YOU PINKO COMMIES!!!ahem..
I mean, it often encounters far more resistance.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584713</id>
	<title>Very cool.</title>
	<author>bennomatic</author>
	<datestamp>1246734240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll have to remember to take my laptop the next time I'm in Venice.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll have to remember to take my laptop the next time I 'm in Venice .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll have to remember to take my laptop the next time I'm in Venice.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28588421</id>
	<title>free</title>
	<author>He who knows</author>
	<datestamp>1246786440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>how is it free if you have to pay 5 euros a day.</htmltext>
<tokenext>how is it free if you have to pay 5 euros a day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how is it free if you have to pay 5 euros a day.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28585909</id>
	<title>Aaah La Repubblica Serenissima</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1246801980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>after all, theirs was the longest lasting ever republic, lasting more than 1000 years. no surpise that some of the spirit still remains.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>after all , theirs was the longest lasting ever republic , lasting more than 1000 years .
no surpise that some of the spirit still remains .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>after all, theirs was the longest lasting ever republic, lasting more than 1000 years.
no surpise that some of the spirit still remains.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28585137</id>
	<title>Re:Radical proposal??</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246786260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>how else do you suppose we ban abusers?<br>without a unique token, we can't stop them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>how else do you suppose we ban abusers ? without a unique token , we ca n't stop them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how else do you suppose we ban abusers?without a unique token, we can't stop them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584965</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28586771</id>
	<title>Re:Radical proposal??</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1246814520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's too bad that Internet service isn't more like cable, water, or electricity, where the usage of the service can only be monitored in gross terms, e.g. gallons or watt-hours. It could be, if everything was encrypted and there were plenty of proxies; then all the last-mile provider would see is large blocks of random data.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's too bad that Internet service is n't more like cable , water , or electricity , where the usage of the service can only be monitored in gross terms , e.g .
gallons or watt-hours .
It could be , if everything was encrypted and there were plenty of proxies ; then all the last-mile provider would see is large blocks of random data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's too bad that Internet service isn't more like cable, water, or electricity, where the usage of the service can only be monitored in gross terms, e.g.
gallons or watt-hours.
It could be, if everything was encrypted and there were plenty of proxies; then all the last-mile provider would see is large blocks of random data.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584965</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_04_2236213.28584937</id>
	<title>Re:How long ...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246824780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It already is.</p><p>I'm currently posting from a train without a WLAN. I'm using Mokkula, a wireless modem the size of an USB stick. It costs me 20 euros a month and the speed is 2 mb/s.</p><p>There are cheaper models of it with lower speeds too and the area where this works is countrywide. (Granted, Finland is a country that is as big as a single state of USA)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It already is.I 'm currently posting from a train without a WLAN .
I 'm using Mokkula , a wireless modem the size of an USB stick .
It costs me 20 euros a month and the speed is 2 mb/s.There are cheaper models of it with lower speeds too and the area where this works is countrywide .
( Granted , Finland is a country that is as big as a single state of USA )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It already is.I'm currently posting from a train without a WLAN.
I'm using Mokkula, a wireless modem the size of an USB stick.
It costs me 20 euros a month and the speed is 2 mb/s.There are cheaper models of it with lower speeds too and the area where this works is countrywide.
(Granted, Finland is a country that is as big as a single state of USA)</sentencetext>
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