<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_03_1822249</id>
	<title>How To Get Your Program Professionally Marketed?</title>
	<author>ScuttleMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1246613400000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://slashdot.org/~one-man+orchestra/" rel="nofollow">one-man orchestra</a> writes <i>"I'm the sole programmer of a small, multi-platform, commercial audio program (a spectrogram editor). After over 6 months on the market, I realized that the program would never just sell itself, and that I need some real marketing done for it. Being a one-man orchestra is becoming increasingly difficult; I only can devote so much time to marketing, my skills in that department are lacking, and I'd much rather spend more time coding. Despite my lackluster part-time marketing effort, I still manage to make a modest living out of the sales. My logical assumption is that with someone competent taking care of that part, revenue could greatly scale up. But what's the right way to go about doing this? What type of people/company do I need to contact? What to expect? What to look out for?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>one-man orchestra writes " I 'm the sole programmer of a small , multi-platform , commercial audio program ( a spectrogram editor ) .
After over 6 months on the market , I realized that the program would never just sell itself , and that I need some real marketing done for it .
Being a one-man orchestra is becoming increasingly difficult ; I only can devote so much time to marketing , my skills in that department are lacking , and I 'd much rather spend more time coding .
Despite my lackluster part-time marketing effort , I still manage to make a modest living out of the sales .
My logical assumption is that with someone competent taking care of that part , revenue could greatly scale up .
But what 's the right way to go about doing this ?
What type of people/company do I need to contact ?
What to expect ?
What to look out for ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>one-man orchestra writes "I'm the sole programmer of a small, multi-platform, commercial audio program (a spectrogram editor).
After over 6 months on the market, I realized that the program would never just sell itself, and that I need some real marketing done for it.
Being a one-man orchestra is becoming increasingly difficult; I only can devote so much time to marketing, my skills in that department are lacking, and I'd much rather spend more time coding.
Despite my lackluster part-time marketing effort, I still manage to make a modest living out of the sales.
My logical assumption is that with someone competent taking care of that part, revenue could greatly scale up.
But what's the right way to go about doing this?
What type of people/company do I need to contact?
What to expect?
What to look out for?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575381</id>
	<title>Re:CPA</title>
	<author>thepainguy</author>
	<datestamp>1246617720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just make sure they are doing white hat SEO and not black hat SEO. Black hat SEO will get you banned from Google.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just make sure they are doing white hat SEO and not black hat SEO .
Black hat SEO will get you banned from Google .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just make sure they are doing white hat SEO and not black hat SEO.
Black hat SEO will get you banned from Google.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28577107</id>
	<title>Re:Is this the product?</title>
	<author>ralphdaugherty</author>
	<datestamp>1246634880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I unfortunately am not bored at all, between coding/debugging and trying to keep the sales going in any way I can while trying to figure out how to solve the problems this Ask Slashdot is about<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-).</i></p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I agree with the post following yours from conner\_bw about looking into working your product into plugins. Also the post above about blowing up when trying to load an MP3 without downloading a DLL first. That's going to be a real common occurrence and should be checked for and dialog displayed with the download URL you have in your documentation PDF.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; But the suggestion I'm going to make is the opposite of your current approach. You've hit the wall in terms of a function set / readily available market. Really no amount of fine tuning functionality or pounding on doors is going to change that much any time soon.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; You're already in multimedia heaven, all you need is one cool freebie effects demo with the name of your product on it and you're into viral marketing. Maybe a PDA and/or applet demo that displays images from the currently playing song? Like waterfall or white noise but as images. Here you aren't duplicating your technology faithfully, so that sound is transformed faithfully, but using your technology to transform sound into imnages on the fly.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; One hot app that everyone has to have would make your product name a household name.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; You might get a couple of sales out of it in the process.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>
&nbsp; rd</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I unfortunately am not bored at all , between coding/debugging and trying to keep the sales going in any way I can while trying to figure out how to solve the problems this Ask Slashdot is about ; - ) .
      I agree with the post following yours from conner \ _bw about looking into working your product into plugins .
Also the post above about blowing up when trying to load an MP3 without downloading a DLL first .
That 's going to be a real common occurrence and should be checked for and dialog displayed with the download URL you have in your documentation PDF .
      But the suggestion I 'm going to make is the opposite of your current approach .
You 've hit the wall in terms of a function set / readily available market .
Really no amount of fine tuning functionality or pounding on doors is going to change that much any time soon .
      You 're already in multimedia heaven , all you need is one cool freebie effects demo with the name of your product on it and you 're into viral marketing .
Maybe a PDA and/or applet demo that displays images from the currently playing song ?
Like waterfall or white noise but as images .
Here you are n't duplicating your technology faithfully , so that sound is transformed faithfully , but using your technology to transform sound into imnages on the fly .
      One hot app that everyone has to have would make your product name a household name .
      You might get a couple of sales out of it in the process .
: )   rd</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I unfortunately am not bored at all, between coding/debugging and trying to keep the sales going in any way I can while trying to figure out how to solve the problems this Ask Slashdot is about ;-).
      I agree with the post following yours from conner\_bw about looking into working your product into plugins.
Also the post above about blowing up when trying to load an MP3 without downloading a DLL first.
That's going to be a real common occurrence and should be checked for and dialog displayed with the download URL you have in your documentation PDF.
      But the suggestion I'm going to make is the opposite of your current approach.
You've hit the wall in terms of a function set / readily available market.
Really no amount of fine tuning functionality or pounding on doors is going to change that much any time soon.
      You're already in multimedia heaven, all you need is one cool freebie effects demo with the name of your product on it and you're into viral marketing.
Maybe a PDA and/or applet demo that displays images from the currently playing song?
Like waterfall or white noise but as images.
Here you aren't duplicating your technology faithfully, so that sound is transformed faithfully, but using your technology to transform sound into imnages on the fly.
      One hot app that everyone has to have would make your product name a household name.
      You might get a couple of sales out of it in the process.
:)
  rd</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28576415</id>
	<title>Re:Protect Your Intellectual Rights Before You Sel</title>
	<author>cdrguru</author>
	<datestamp>1246627080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, that pretty much wipes out web sales.  Most people buying software on the web are going to be put off by #1 all by itself.  Number 2 absolutely eliminates web sales because nobody is going to do it.</p><p>Suing people?  Sorry, in today's climate you can't sue people in foreign countries.  Unless you have millions to pay the lawyers, nobody is going to even bother and unless you have a rock-solid case and going for millions, nobody is going to touch it.  They will just tell you to suck it up.</p><p>Yes, there are hardcore people out on the Internet that make it their business to ensure that software, books, movies and music do not generate revenue.  They will do this by whatever means they can, including using stolen credit cards to purchase products and post them for others to download.  If you are relying on Internet sales you are going to run into this and there are very few ways to successfully combat it.</p><p>Nothing the parent had to say is at all useful towards this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , that pretty much wipes out web sales .
Most people buying software on the web are going to be put off by # 1 all by itself .
Number 2 absolutely eliminates web sales because nobody is going to do it.Suing people ?
Sorry , in today 's climate you ca n't sue people in foreign countries .
Unless you have millions to pay the lawyers , nobody is going to even bother and unless you have a rock-solid case and going for millions , nobody is going to touch it .
They will just tell you to suck it up.Yes , there are hardcore people out on the Internet that make it their business to ensure that software , books , movies and music do not generate revenue .
They will do this by whatever means they can , including using stolen credit cards to purchase products and post them for others to download .
If you are relying on Internet sales you are going to run into this and there are very few ways to successfully combat it.Nothing the parent had to say is at all useful towards this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, that pretty much wipes out web sales.
Most people buying software on the web are going to be put off by #1 all by itself.
Number 2 absolutely eliminates web sales because nobody is going to do it.Suing people?
Sorry, in today's climate you can't sue people in foreign countries.
Unless you have millions to pay the lawyers, nobody is going to even bother and unless you have a rock-solid case and going for millions, nobody is going to touch it.
They will just tell you to suck it up.Yes, there are hardcore people out on the Internet that make it their business to ensure that software, books, movies and music do not generate revenue.
They will do this by whatever means they can, including using stolen credit cards to purchase products and post them for others to download.
If you are relying on Internet sales you are going to run into this and there are very few ways to successfully combat it.Nothing the parent had to say is at all useful towards this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575619</id>
	<title>Re:Protect Your Intellectual Rights Before You Sel</title>
	<author>vadim\_t</author>
	<datestamp>1246619520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Are you crazy?</p><p>That stuff turns off any normal buyers. It might work if you're doing something uber-specialized you sell to large companies, but normal people stay far away from anything like that. Just for a start, how would I sign this contract by hand while being in another country? Do you really expect somebody to print and mail a contract, and wait for a week or two until it gets to the destination?</p><p>IMO, for a program destined to the general public abstain from any of the following:</p><p>* Required registration<br>* Required email address<br>* Price not listed on the website (since that usually means "an arm, a leg, and a kidney", or "as much as we can get you to pay")<br>* Dongles and other intrusive methods of control<br>* Lack of specific information on what exactly the program does</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Are you crazy ? That stuff turns off any normal buyers .
It might work if you 're doing something uber-specialized you sell to large companies , but normal people stay far away from anything like that .
Just for a start , how would I sign this contract by hand while being in another country ?
Do you really expect somebody to print and mail a contract , and wait for a week or two until it gets to the destination ? IMO , for a program destined to the general public abstain from any of the following : * Required registration * Required email address * Price not listed on the website ( since that usually means " an arm , a leg , and a kidney " , or " as much as we can get you to pay " ) * Dongles and other intrusive methods of control * Lack of specific information on what exactly the program does</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Are you crazy?That stuff turns off any normal buyers.
It might work if you're doing something uber-specialized you sell to large companies, but normal people stay far away from anything like that.
Just for a start, how would I sign this contract by hand while being in another country?
Do you really expect somebody to print and mail a contract, and wait for a week or two until it gets to the destination?IMO, for a program destined to the general public abstain from any of the following:* Required registration* Required email address* Price not listed on the website (since that usually means "an arm, a leg, and a kidney", or "as much as we can get you to pay")* Dongles and other intrusive methods of control* Lack of specific information on what exactly the program does</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575947</id>
	<title>Re:NAMM</title>
	<author>larry bagina</author>
	<datestamp>1246622580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know about NAMM, but try a NAMBLA convention.  Pay a 12-year old boy a few bucks to hand out CDs and watch the money roll in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know about NAMM , but try a NAMBLA convention .
Pay a 12-year old boy a few bucks to hand out CDs and watch the money roll in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know about NAMM, but try a NAMBLA convention.
Pay a 12-year old boy a few bucks to hand out CDs and watch the money roll in.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28577417</id>
	<title>Re:Protect Your Intellectual Rights Before You Sel</title>
	<author>zuperduperman</author>
	<datestamp>1246638540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's about the worst thing you can do.</p><p>There are plenty of freeware (or easy to concoct) lightweight schemes to add some nominal protection and that's all you want.   For the products I sell, I just issue a license key that is tied to the name of the real person who purchased (so they type in their name and the key to activate).   That</p><p>a) gives them a sense of ownership and connection to it<br>b) they will only share it with people they trust absolutely, since they are not going to allow pirated copies to be traced back to their own name.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's about the worst thing you can do.There are plenty of freeware ( or easy to concoct ) lightweight schemes to add some nominal protection and that 's all you want .
For the products I sell , I just issue a license key that is tied to the name of the real person who purchased ( so they type in their name and the key to activate ) .
Thata ) gives them a sense of ownership and connection to itb ) they will only share it with people they trust absolutely , since they are not going to allow pirated copies to be traced back to their own name .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's about the worst thing you can do.There are plenty of freeware (or easy to concoct) lightweight schemes to add some nominal protection and that's all you want.
For the products I sell, I just issue a license key that is tied to the name of the real person who purchased (so they type in their name and the key to activate).
Thata) gives them a sense of ownership and connection to itb) they will only share it with people they trust absolutely, since they are not going to allow pirated copies to be traced back to their own name.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28578795</id>
	<title>Hurrr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246701780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Listen to your users suggestions and don't troll them at the smallest feature you don't find useful. You might find yourself much more popular than expected fast enough.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Listen to your users suggestions and do n't troll them at the smallest feature you do n't find useful .
You might find yourself much more popular than expected fast enough .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Listen to your users suggestions and don't troll them at the smallest feature you don't find useful.
You might find yourself much more popular than expected fast enough.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28577593</id>
	<title>InitMarketing (and other marketing consultancies)</title>
	<author>Ryan\_Singer</author>
	<datestamp>1246641000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The OP has commercial software, but for Open Source software (or Cloud-based software built on open source technologies) you should check out my employer.</p><p>We are an independent marketing consultancy with 10 members who on average, have over a decade of experience each.  We do web marketing, print marketing, community building and management, event planning, strategic consulting and positioning, and anything else you would want out of a marketing team.  We can bill hourly or price out a package or campaign.</p><p>For startups considering hiring their first marketing employee, we offer a range of specialties and experience for similar cost.</p><p>Check us out at <a href="http://initmarketing.com/" title="initmarketing.com" rel="nofollow">http://initmarketing.com/</a> [initmarketing.com] or email me at Ryan\_at\_initmarketing.com for more information.</p><p>--<br>Ryan Singer</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The OP has commercial software , but for Open Source software ( or Cloud-based software built on open source technologies ) you should check out my employer.We are an independent marketing consultancy with 10 members who on average , have over a decade of experience each .
We do web marketing , print marketing , community building and management , event planning , strategic consulting and positioning , and anything else you would want out of a marketing team .
We can bill hourly or price out a package or campaign.For startups considering hiring their first marketing employee , we offer a range of specialties and experience for similar cost.Check us out at http : //initmarketing.com/ [ initmarketing.com ] or email me at Ryan \ _at \ _initmarketing.com for more information.--Ryan Singer</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The OP has commercial software, but for Open Source software (or Cloud-based software built on open source technologies) you should check out my employer.We are an independent marketing consultancy with 10 members who on average, have over a decade of experience each.
We do web marketing, print marketing, community building and management, event planning, strategic consulting and positioning, and anything else you would want out of a marketing team.
We can bill hourly or price out a package or campaign.For startups considering hiring their first marketing employee, we offer a range of specialties and experience for similar cost.Check us out at http://initmarketing.com/ [initmarketing.com] or email me at Ryan\_at\_initmarketing.com for more information.--Ryan Singer</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28576361</id>
	<title>Re:Protect Your Intellectual Rights Before You Sel</title>
	<author>pfafrich</author>
	<datestamp>1246626540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm not convinced its worth protecting against pirates at all. The philosophy I take is that there are basically two sorts of people, those who are likely to pay for your software and those who are not. As a rule the first are not going to be interested in getting pirate copies and the second group are unlikely to switch to becoming paying customers. So while there may be a lot of people with pirate copies these don't actually represent lost sales, as these folks would not buy the full price version anyway.
<p>
Adding anti-pirate measures takes a lot of your valuable developer time and may well piss off your paying customers. Both are bad things.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not convinced its worth protecting against pirates at all .
The philosophy I take is that there are basically two sorts of people , those who are likely to pay for your software and those who are not .
As a rule the first are not going to be interested in getting pirate copies and the second group are unlikely to switch to becoming paying customers .
So while there may be a lot of people with pirate copies these do n't actually represent lost sales , as these folks would not buy the full price version anyway .
Adding anti-pirate measures takes a lot of your valuable developer time and may well piss off your paying customers .
Both are bad things .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not convinced its worth protecting against pirates at all.
The philosophy I take is that there are basically two sorts of people, those who are likely to pay for your software and those who are not.
As a rule the first are not going to be interested in getting pirate copies and the second group are unlikely to switch to becoming paying customers.
So while there may be a lot of people with pirate copies these don't actually represent lost sales, as these folks would not buy the full price version anyway.
Adding anti-pirate measures takes a lot of your valuable developer time and may well piss off your paying customers.
Both are bad things.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575969</id>
	<title>One-man orchestra?</title>
	<author>RaymondKurzweil</author>
	<datestamp>1246622880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Being a one-man orchestra is becoming increasingly difficult; I only can devote so much time to marketing, my skills in that department are lacking,</p></div><p>I also question anyone's need for a Spectrogram editor. Instead of needing audio editing tools, you could just, surprise, produce decent audio in the first place. If you used a Kurzweil K-250, it will produce sounds that are *exactly* the same as real instruments, with *no perceptible difference* to anyone. Marvel at my l33t ski11z:
<a href="http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0148.html?m=9" title="kurzweilai.net" rel="nofollow">http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0148.html?m=9</a> [kurzweilai.net]

Anyway, you're a punk ass little bitch anyway for not accepting the reality. Why don't you calm down, take a few chill pills, some alkaline water. and about 90 other essential supplements, and in 30-40 years you will enter the singularity. Spectrogram editors for audio will be silly at that point, the machines will edit their spectrograms without help from us!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Being a one-man orchestra is becoming increasingly difficult ; I only can devote so much time to marketing , my skills in that department are lacking,I also question anyone 's need for a Spectrogram editor .
Instead of needing audio editing tools , you could just , surprise , produce decent audio in the first place .
If you used a Kurzweil K-250 , it will produce sounds that are * exactly * the same as real instruments , with * no perceptible difference * to anyone .
Marvel at my l33t ski11z : http : //www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0148.html ? m = 9 [ kurzweilai.net ] Anyway , you 're a punk ass little bitch anyway for not accepting the reality .
Why do n't you calm down , take a few chill pills , some alkaline water .
and about 90 other essential supplements , and in 30-40 years you will enter the singularity .
Spectrogram editors for audio will be silly at that point , the machines will edit their spectrograms without help from us !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Being a one-man orchestra is becoming increasingly difficult; I only can devote so much time to marketing, my skills in that department are lacking,I also question anyone's need for a Spectrogram editor.
Instead of needing audio editing tools, you could just, surprise, produce decent audio in the first place.
If you used a Kurzweil K-250, it will produce sounds that are *exactly* the same as real instruments, with *no perceptible difference* to anyone.
Marvel at my l33t ski11z:
http://www.kurzweilai.net/articles/art0148.html?m=9 [kurzweilai.net]

Anyway, you're a punk ass little bitch anyway for not accepting the reality.
Why don't you calm down, take a few chill pills, some alkaline water.
and about 90 other essential supplements, and in 30-40 years you will enter the singularity.
Spectrogram editors for audio will be silly at that point, the machines will edit their spectrograms without help from us!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575847</id>
	<title>Get A Life</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246621740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously, don't mean to sound like a praat, but as a one-man-band your software should not need to be sold. Did you not write it for a need you had? Is that need not ongoing? Can't you embellish it so that it fits into your daily set of needs? Wrap other needs around it. I write an AI entertainment / robotic / thought-processing application and could go on programming my world far into the next millennium.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , do n't mean to sound like a praat , but as a one-man-band your software should not need to be sold .
Did you not write it for a need you had ?
Is that need not ongoing ?
Ca n't you embellish it so that it fits into your daily set of needs ?
Wrap other needs around it .
I write an AI entertainment / robotic / thought-processing application and could go on programming my world far into the next millennium .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, don't mean to sound like a praat, but as a one-man-band your software should not need to be sold.
Did you not write it for a need you had?
Is that need not ongoing?
Can't you embellish it so that it fits into your daily set of needs?
Wrap other needs around it.
I write an AI entertainment / robotic / thought-processing application and could go on programming my world far into the next millennium.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28590133</id>
	<title>ah yes, photosounder!</title>
	<author>DeskLazer</author>
	<datestamp>1246805640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>wow, a one man effort. very nice. I saw something on this maybe a month ago or so actually here on slashdot. it is indeed a niche product, but I think with the way the economy is, some people would prefer a smaller price tag. I can justify spending money if I see that the product will be used fairly often, and while your software looks pretty bad-ass, I can't see myself using it more than a few times. honesty is what I'm giving you.<br> <br>

I've pondered why certain software devs don't think about a "limited use" or rental license for their products. this could make sense with certain VST's for example. I know I saw this one VST pack for about $100 and I thought, "I'll never really use this more than a few times, so I'm better off looking for a free or cheap alternative." however, if I had the opportunity to maybe say, play around with it unrestricted [as in, full usage, no weird sound effects or nag screens] for 3 days at a significantly smaller price tag, I could do that, and the dev would still get money from it. obviously it's better if it's free, but the dev should make SOME money from it.  however, piracy figures into all of that and it becomes a big issue. but, if that limited use cost could be factored into the final price [say I paid $20 for 3 days, and that would count towards the $100 pricetag], that would encourage me to buy the product if I really saw myself using it more.  of course, it could also work if you have a larger scale project that has multiple apps or pieces and are able to purchase them separately instead of in one pack [as above].<br> <br>

that being said, I think most of the people I know running studios out here will pay for software and not pirate it. plus, they can write it off as a business expense, right? so software "piracy" is really an iffy issue for this kind of market, although I will not say that it doesn't happen quite a bit.<br> <br>

the other thing I see a lot in the audio software market [especially DAW's] is a program that doesn't receive too many updates, but when it does, they charge the user some "upgrade" fee for it. again, reasonable if your program is nicely priced and used a lot, but if I just spent $400 on your software and you release a new update the next year that adds like one synth but breaks compatibility with other programs I'm using, why should I shell out another $150? reasonable upgrade prices for people who paid out the nose already [again, looking at the down economy, salary freezes, etc.] for your product is a good reason that I will not buy your product.<br> <br>

I know not all of this is relevant to your cause, but I think it's good to hear about these things for future endeavors as well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>wow , a one man effort .
very nice .
I saw something on this maybe a month ago or so actually here on slashdot .
it is indeed a niche product , but I think with the way the economy is , some people would prefer a smaller price tag .
I can justify spending money if I see that the product will be used fairly often , and while your software looks pretty bad-ass , I ca n't see myself using it more than a few times .
honesty is what I 'm giving you .
I 've pondered why certain software devs do n't think about a " limited use " or rental license for their products .
this could make sense with certain VST 's for example .
I know I saw this one VST pack for about $ 100 and I thought , " I 'll never really use this more than a few times , so I 'm better off looking for a free or cheap alternative .
" however , if I had the opportunity to maybe say , play around with it unrestricted [ as in , full usage , no weird sound effects or nag screens ] for 3 days at a significantly smaller price tag , I could do that , and the dev would still get money from it .
obviously it 's better if it 's free , but the dev should make SOME money from it .
however , piracy figures into all of that and it becomes a big issue .
but , if that limited use cost could be factored into the final price [ say I paid $ 20 for 3 days , and that would count towards the $ 100 pricetag ] , that would encourage me to buy the product if I really saw myself using it more .
of course , it could also work if you have a larger scale project that has multiple apps or pieces and are able to purchase them separately instead of in one pack [ as above ] .
that being said , I think most of the people I know running studios out here will pay for software and not pirate it .
plus , they can write it off as a business expense , right ?
so software " piracy " is really an iffy issue for this kind of market , although I will not say that it does n't happen quite a bit .
the other thing I see a lot in the audio software market [ especially DAW 's ] is a program that does n't receive too many updates , but when it does , they charge the user some " upgrade " fee for it .
again , reasonable if your program is nicely priced and used a lot , but if I just spent $ 400 on your software and you release a new update the next year that adds like one synth but breaks compatibility with other programs I 'm using , why should I shell out another $ 150 ?
reasonable upgrade prices for people who paid out the nose already [ again , looking at the down economy , salary freezes , etc .
] for your product is a good reason that I will not buy your product .
I know not all of this is relevant to your cause , but I think it 's good to hear about these things for future endeavors as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wow, a one man effort.
very nice.
I saw something on this maybe a month ago or so actually here on slashdot.
it is indeed a niche product, but I think with the way the economy is, some people would prefer a smaller price tag.
I can justify spending money if I see that the product will be used fairly often, and while your software looks pretty bad-ass, I can't see myself using it more than a few times.
honesty is what I'm giving you.
I've pondered why certain software devs don't think about a "limited use" or rental license for their products.
this could make sense with certain VST's for example.
I know I saw this one VST pack for about $100 and I thought, "I'll never really use this more than a few times, so I'm better off looking for a free or cheap alternative.
" however, if I had the opportunity to maybe say, play around with it unrestricted [as in, full usage, no weird sound effects or nag screens] for 3 days at a significantly smaller price tag, I could do that, and the dev would still get money from it.
obviously it's better if it's free, but the dev should make SOME money from it.
however, piracy figures into all of that and it becomes a big issue.
but, if that limited use cost could be factored into the final price [say I paid $20 for 3 days, and that would count towards the $100 pricetag], that would encourage me to buy the product if I really saw myself using it more.
of course, it could also work if you have a larger scale project that has multiple apps or pieces and are able to purchase them separately instead of in one pack [as above].
that being said, I think most of the people I know running studios out here will pay for software and not pirate it.
plus, they can write it off as a business expense, right?
so software "piracy" is really an iffy issue for this kind of market, although I will not say that it doesn't happen quite a bit.
the other thing I see a lot in the audio software market [especially DAW's] is a program that doesn't receive too many updates, but when it does, they charge the user some "upgrade" fee for it.
again, reasonable if your program is nicely priced and used a lot, but if I just spent $400 on your software and you release a new update the next year that adds like one synth but breaks compatibility with other programs I'm using, why should I shell out another $150?
reasonable upgrade prices for people who paid out the nose already [again, looking at the down economy, salary freezes, etc.
] for your product is a good reason that I will not buy your product.
I know not all of this is relevant to your cause, but I think it's good to hear about these things for future endeavors as well.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28576933</id>
	<title>Re:Some tips specific to audio apps.</title>
	<author>MrKaos</author>
	<datestamp>1246632420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hi omo, I run a recording studio and produce music so I guess I'm in your target market. I think it's really important not to alienate your potential customers, especially online. If you get in someones face, online, who might be able to help you it kills word of mouth marketing very quickly.</p><p>
In other words, ask yourself if it's a problem with the program or if the problem could be you.</p><p>
Running a recording studio is hard and producing music is extremely challenging. After setting up a room, miking up the musicians (and each band has it's own complexities just there), making sure no dumbass has brought a powered up mobile phone into the studio, doing the recording session and producing a mix for musicians who can't make up their mind about the final result the last thing you need is to rely on a production tool from someone who has an attitude and can be regarded as unhelpful.</p><p>
You may have a good idea, exporting a sound file to a graphic image and then use photoshop or something to edit it but I question why a producer is going to use/learn a *visual* tool to do *sonic* work. I know of a lot of good producers that don't want to see their video monitors and hang towels over them while they listen to the mix on a four inch auratone. They don't want to engage their eyes because the visual cortex causes a distraction when setting up the 'ghosts' in the audio monitors. It's about sound and the illusion it creates, not about the illusion and the sound it creates.</p><p>
Clearly, your program is used during the production phase and being a 50/50 proposition it very much comes down to how *you* come across to your market. If you are reasonable, they might give it a shot, if not word will spread very quickly. Be realistic and have some humility about your program. It's not essential or even revolutionary but it could have a place so make sure you don't come across as a buffoon and try to make out that it is. Leave the attitude behind, know when to say sorry when appropriate and, most important, try to make friends. Those things will gain you respect and credibility.</p><p>
That said, it looks interesting and I wish you the best of luck.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi omo , I run a recording studio and produce music so I guess I 'm in your target market .
I think it 's really important not to alienate your potential customers , especially online .
If you get in someones face , online , who might be able to help you it kills word of mouth marketing very quickly .
In other words , ask yourself if it 's a problem with the program or if the problem could be you .
Running a recording studio is hard and producing music is extremely challenging .
After setting up a room , miking up the musicians ( and each band has it 's own complexities just there ) , making sure no dumbass has brought a powered up mobile phone into the studio , doing the recording session and producing a mix for musicians who ca n't make up their mind about the final result the last thing you need is to rely on a production tool from someone who has an attitude and can be regarded as unhelpful .
You may have a good idea , exporting a sound file to a graphic image and then use photoshop or something to edit it but I question why a producer is going to use/learn a * visual * tool to do * sonic * work .
I know of a lot of good producers that do n't want to see their video monitors and hang towels over them while they listen to the mix on a four inch auratone .
They do n't want to engage their eyes because the visual cortex causes a distraction when setting up the 'ghosts ' in the audio monitors .
It 's about sound and the illusion it creates , not about the illusion and the sound it creates .
Clearly , your program is used during the production phase and being a 50/50 proposition it very much comes down to how * you * come across to your market .
If you are reasonable , they might give it a shot , if not word will spread very quickly .
Be realistic and have some humility about your program .
It 's not essential or even revolutionary but it could have a place so make sure you do n't come across as a buffoon and try to make out that it is .
Leave the attitude behind , know when to say sorry when appropriate and , most important , try to make friends .
Those things will gain you respect and credibility .
That said , it looks interesting and I wish you the best of luck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi omo, I run a recording studio and produce music so I guess I'm in your target market.
I think it's really important not to alienate your potential customers, especially online.
If you get in someones face, online, who might be able to help you it kills word of mouth marketing very quickly.
In other words, ask yourself if it's a problem with the program or if the problem could be you.
Running a recording studio is hard and producing music is extremely challenging.
After setting up a room, miking up the musicians (and each band has it's own complexities just there), making sure no dumbass has brought a powered up mobile phone into the studio, doing the recording session and producing a mix for musicians who can't make up their mind about the final result the last thing you need is to rely on a production tool from someone who has an attitude and can be regarded as unhelpful.
You may have a good idea, exporting a sound file to a graphic image and then use photoshop or something to edit it but I question why a producer is going to use/learn a *visual* tool to do *sonic* work.
I know of a lot of good producers that don't want to see their video monitors and hang towels over them while they listen to the mix on a four inch auratone.
They don't want to engage their eyes because the visual cortex causes a distraction when setting up the 'ghosts' in the audio monitors.
It's about sound and the illusion it creates, not about the illusion and the sound it creates.
Clearly, your program is used during the production phase and being a 50/50 proposition it very much comes down to how *you* come across to your market.
If you are reasonable, they might give it a shot, if not word will spread very quickly.
Be realistic and have some humility about your program.
It's not essential or even revolutionary but it could have a place so make sure you don't come across as a buffoon and try to make out that it is.
Leave the attitude behind, know when to say sorry when appropriate and, most important, try to make friends.
Those things will gain you respect and credibility.
That said, it looks interesting and I wish you the best of luck.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28577083</id>
	<title>Editing Spectrograms??</title>
	<author>Neon Madman</author>
	<datestamp>1246634640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why would anyone want to edit a spectrogram? I can only imagine nefarious uses-- essentially forging the spectral information from a sound sample. Why would you want a spectrogram to display information other than what the spectrograph analyzed unless it was for a visually artistic purpose (in which case, there are plenty of graphic editors out there already)?

Somebody please tell me I'm wrong and there's some perfectly innocuous purpose that I'm missing...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would anyone want to edit a spectrogram ?
I can only imagine nefarious uses-- essentially forging the spectral information from a sound sample .
Why would you want a spectrogram to display information other than what the spectrograph analyzed unless it was for a visually artistic purpose ( in which case , there are plenty of graphic editors out there already ) ?
Somebody please tell me I 'm wrong and there 's some perfectly innocuous purpose that I 'm missing.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would anyone want to edit a spectrogram?
I can only imagine nefarious uses-- essentially forging the spectral information from a sound sample.
Why would you want a spectrogram to display information other than what the spectrograph analyzed unless it was for a visually artistic purpose (in which case, there are plenty of graphic editors out there already)?
Somebody please tell me I'm wrong and there's some perfectly innocuous purpose that I'm missing...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28586305</id>
	<title>Re:Protect Your Intellectual Rights Before You Sel</title>
	<author>arkarumba</author>
	<datestamp>1246808400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>[Disclaimer:  I've no experience implementing these ideas.  They are based on comments from mate who developed a small utility with a delayed nag as the only "protection".  There is a delay of about four months between download and sales graphs, but he has a reasonable conversion rate.]<br>.<br>What about like the delayed start timer reminders like WinZip used to have.   Have only one full-version binary distributable.  During the demo period there are no nags.  After the demo period expires, during startup have a timer that delays the start -  with a message about the demo expiring.  Perhaps here ask for feedback from people of their first impressions - link to a subforum discussion site.  As time goes on, the delay timer gets longer.<br>.<br>Getting good feedback can be difficult and may be worth something to you.  Possibly for good feedback, have a method to extend their demo period.  If you respond well to them and develop a conversation and rapport, then you have more chance of converting a sale.  Also you get feedback from beginning users not just expert users.  First impressions count so you need to cater to both.  For selected demo users, perhaps their writing a blog entry of how they are using it (not just a review) may also extend their demo period.<br>.<br>Make the demo longish, and perhaps based on operational time, not just date periods.  Busy users (ie professional - your best authorative bloggers and potential payers) may download it to try, but them be distracted for a while before they have a project to use it on.  You want users to have time for it to become "part of their process" before the nags start.<br>.<br>The nags can include a startup dialog, a status bar being replaced at random intervals by one cycle of a ticker. The nags and/or product cost shouldn't be so intrusive that its easier reinstall or upgrade to the next version  However after an extended period of time have a modal alert discussing your distribution philosophy might appear.  Use humour, you want them onside.  Then this model alert might now shut down the program - with a gracious option to delay the shutdown (for a decreasing amounts of time).  This however is fine balance.<br>.<br>The nag delay screens should show an accumulation of delays.  Get the user to enter their payrate so that the cost of the nags is apparent to them.   When it comes to a business decision, that can be overlooked.  After an extended period the program might shut down at intervals - but provide plenty of<br>.<br>During you can build in some usability statistics gathering that is only acctive during the demo period.  At the least would want to get an idea of when the nags become too onerous and people unistall your software.   You might also get an idea of where new users go wrong.<br>.<br>anyway thats my 2.5 cents worth</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>[ Disclaimer : I 've no experience implementing these ideas .
They are based on comments from mate who developed a small utility with a delayed nag as the only " protection " .
There is a delay of about four months between download and sales graphs , but he has a reasonable conversion rate .
] .What about like the delayed start timer reminders like WinZip used to have .
Have only one full-version binary distributable .
During the demo period there are no nags .
After the demo period expires , during startup have a timer that delays the start - with a message about the demo expiring .
Perhaps here ask for feedback from people of their first impressions - link to a subforum discussion site .
As time goes on , the delay timer gets longer..Getting good feedback can be difficult and may be worth something to you .
Possibly for good feedback , have a method to extend their demo period .
If you respond well to them and develop a conversation and rapport , then you have more chance of converting a sale .
Also you get feedback from beginning users not just expert users .
First impressions count so you need to cater to both .
For selected demo users , perhaps their writing a blog entry of how they are using it ( not just a review ) may also extend their demo period..Make the demo longish , and perhaps based on operational time , not just date periods .
Busy users ( ie professional - your best authorative bloggers and potential payers ) may download it to try , but them be distracted for a while before they have a project to use it on .
You want users to have time for it to become " part of their process " before the nags start..The nags can include a startup dialog , a status bar being replaced at random intervals by one cycle of a ticker .
The nags and/or product cost should n't be so intrusive that its easier reinstall or upgrade to the next version However after an extended period of time have a modal alert discussing your distribution philosophy might appear .
Use humour , you want them onside .
Then this model alert might now shut down the program - with a gracious option to delay the shutdown ( for a decreasing amounts of time ) .
This however is fine balance..The nag delay screens should show an accumulation of delays .
Get the user to enter their payrate so that the cost of the nags is apparent to them .
When it comes to a business decision , that can be overlooked .
After an extended period the program might shut down at intervals - but provide plenty of.During you can build in some usability statistics gathering that is only acctive during the demo period .
At the least would want to get an idea of when the nags become too onerous and people unistall your software .
You might also get an idea of where new users go wrong..anyway thats my 2.5 cents worth</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[Disclaimer:  I've no experience implementing these ideas.
They are based on comments from mate who developed a small utility with a delayed nag as the only "protection".
There is a delay of about four months between download and sales graphs, but he has a reasonable conversion rate.
].What about like the delayed start timer reminders like WinZip used to have.
Have only one full-version binary distributable.
During the demo period there are no nags.
After the demo period expires, during startup have a timer that delays the start -  with a message about the demo expiring.
Perhaps here ask for feedback from people of their first impressions - link to a subforum discussion site.
As time goes on, the delay timer gets longer..Getting good feedback can be difficult and may be worth something to you.
Possibly for good feedback, have a method to extend their demo period.
If you respond well to them and develop a conversation and rapport, then you have more chance of converting a sale.
Also you get feedback from beginning users not just expert users.
First impressions count so you need to cater to both.
For selected demo users, perhaps their writing a blog entry of how they are using it (not just a review) may also extend their demo period..Make the demo longish, and perhaps based on operational time, not just date periods.
Busy users (ie professional - your best authorative bloggers and potential payers) may download it to try, but them be distracted for a while before they have a project to use it on.
You want users to have time for it to become "part of their process" before the nags start..The nags can include a startup dialog, a status bar being replaced at random intervals by one cycle of a ticker.
The nags and/or product cost shouldn't be so intrusive that its easier reinstall or upgrade to the next version  However after an extended period of time have a modal alert discussing your distribution philosophy might appear.
Use humour, you want them onside.
Then this model alert might now shut down the program - with a gracious option to delay the shutdown (for a decreasing amounts of time).
This however is fine balance..The nag delay screens should show an accumulation of delays.
Get the user to enter their payrate so that the cost of the nags is apparent to them.
When it comes to a business decision, that can be overlooked.
After an extended period the program might shut down at intervals - but provide plenty of.During you can build in some usability statistics gathering that is only acctive during the demo period.
At the least would want to get an idea of when the nags become too onerous and people unistall your software.
You might also get an idea of where new users go wrong..anyway thats my 2.5 cents worth</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28579879</id>
	<title>Sueing your own customers is a great idea</title>
	<author>Britz</author>
	<datestamp>1246720200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should patent that idea ASAP. I heard that this by far the fastest way to kill a business. That is why it was modded funny.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should patent that idea ASAP .
I heard that this by far the fastest way to kill a business .
That is why it was modded funny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should patent that idea ASAP.
I heard that this by far the fastest way to kill a business.
That is why it was modded funny.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575399</id>
	<title>Protect Your Intellectual Rights Before You Sell</title>
	<author>reporter</author>
	<datestamp>1246617900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Before you even market the computer program that you have written, you should first find a way to ensure that your program will not be easily pirated.  One possibility is the following.
<p>
1. Embed security within  your program.  Generate (1) a version of the program with a unique lock and (2) a unique password (for that unique lock) for each customer who buys your program.  Sell it by allowing the customer to download it.
</p><p>
2.  Create a binding, toughly worded contract that each customer must sign by hand.
</p><p>
The aim of point #1 is to be able to trace the source of each pirated copy of your program.  (The password that activates it immediately identifies the customer who pirated it.)  You slaved for years to create it.  You deserve all the profits.
</p><p>
The aim of point #2 is to facilitate suing the customer identified by the method implied in point #1.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Before you even market the computer program that you have written , you should first find a way to ensure that your program will not be easily pirated .
One possibility is the following .
1. Embed security within your program .
Generate ( 1 ) a version of the program with a unique lock and ( 2 ) a unique password ( for that unique lock ) for each customer who buys your program .
Sell it by allowing the customer to download it .
2. Create a binding , toughly worded contract that each customer must sign by hand .
The aim of point # 1 is to be able to trace the source of each pirated copy of your program .
( The password that activates it immediately identifies the customer who pirated it .
) You slaved for years to create it .
You deserve all the profits .
The aim of point # 2 is to facilitate suing the customer identified by the method implied in point # 1 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before you even market the computer program that you have written, you should first find a way to ensure that your program will not be easily pirated.
One possibility is the following.
1. Embed security within  your program.
Generate (1) a version of the program with a unique lock and (2) a unique password (for that unique lock) for each customer who buys your program.
Sell it by allowing the customer to download it.
2.  Create a binding, toughly worded contract that each customer must sign by hand.
The aim of point #1 is to be able to trace the source of each pirated copy of your program.
(The password that activates it immediately identifies the customer who pirated it.
)  You slaved for years to create it.
You deserve all the profits.
The aim of point #2 is to facilitate suing the customer identified by the method implied in point #1.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575375</id>
	<title>I would talk to Microsoft</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246617600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would print out my source code and immediately jump on a plane to Redmond Washington.  When you get there, go to the Microsoft campus front door and ask for "Bill Gates"<br>When you meet with him, be courteous but firm and insist on an up-front payment of at least $100.  That way he can tell that you are serious about things.  Then show him the source code.  He will probably want to photocopy it and that is OK since you already have his $100 and you are now officially "business partners" who trust each other.  Typically, Bill says he will study the code and get back to you shortly.<br>I'm still waiting many years later...but at least I invested the $100 that he gave me and it's currently sitting at a cool $397</p><p>Signed<br>Robert Powell<br>ps: my program?  Something called "Excel"... I hope Bill decides to buy it... I'm sitting by my phone waiting.  waiting.  waiting.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would print out my source code and immediately jump on a plane to Redmond Washington .
When you get there , go to the Microsoft campus front door and ask for " Bill Gates " When you meet with him , be courteous but firm and insist on an up-front payment of at least $ 100 .
That way he can tell that you are serious about things .
Then show him the source code .
He will probably want to photocopy it and that is OK since you already have his $ 100 and you are now officially " business partners " who trust each other .
Typically , Bill says he will study the code and get back to you shortly.I 'm still waiting many years later...but at least I invested the $ 100 that he gave me and it 's currently sitting at a cool $ 397SignedRobert Powellps : my program ?
Something called " Excel " ... I hope Bill decides to buy it... I 'm sitting by my phone waiting .
waiting. waiting .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would print out my source code and immediately jump on a plane to Redmond Washington.
When you get there, go to the Microsoft campus front door and ask for "Bill Gates"When you meet with him, be courteous but firm and insist on an up-front payment of at least $100.
That way he can tell that you are serious about things.
Then show him the source code.
He will probably want to photocopy it and that is OK since you already have his $100 and you are now officially "business partners" who trust each other.
Typically, Bill says he will study the code and get back to you shortly.I'm still waiting many years later...but at least I invested the $100 that he gave me and it's currently sitting at a cool $397SignedRobert Powellps: my program?
Something called "Excel"... I hope Bill decides to buy it... I'm sitting by my phone waiting.
waiting.  waiting.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28581945</id>
	<title>App stores</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246738620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I advice you to publish your application in a App Store, here is a list:</p><p>http://sine-sole-sileo.blogspot.com/</p><p>
&nbsp; This way you can reach a terrific market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I advice you to publish your application in a App Store , here is a list : http : //sine-sole-sileo.blogspot.com/   This way you can reach a terrific market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I advice you to publish your application in a App Store, here is a list:http://sine-sole-sileo.blogspot.com/
  This way you can reach a terrific market.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28578483</id>
	<title>Re:Protect Your Intellectual Rights Before You Sel</title>
	<author>vipvop</author>
	<datestamp>1246739820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So a single programmer is going to spend 100\% of his time trying to make a "unique lock" and a "unique password" for each d/l? It's a losing battle, there is literally no way to stop a determined reverse engineer (short of dedicated hardware that actually performs complex computations, rather than challenges and responses, and even then someone could emulate that in software). It's also a horrible business decision, for multiple reasons (pissing off paying customers, spending too much time on something that isn't important, etc).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So a single programmer is going to spend 100 \ % of his time trying to make a " unique lock " and a " unique password " for each d/l ?
It 's a losing battle , there is literally no way to stop a determined reverse engineer ( short of dedicated hardware that actually performs complex computations , rather than challenges and responses , and even then someone could emulate that in software ) .
It 's also a horrible business decision , for multiple reasons ( pissing off paying customers , spending too much time on something that is n't important , etc ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So a single programmer is going to spend 100\% of his time trying to make a "unique lock" and a "unique password" for each d/l?
It's a losing battle, there is literally no way to stop a determined reverse engineer (short of dedicated hardware that actually performs complex computations, rather than challenges and responses, and even then someone could emulate that in software).
It's also a horrible business decision, for multiple reasons (pissing off paying customers, spending too much time on something that isn't important, etc).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28576163</id>
	<title>Re:NAMM</title>
	<author>one-man orchestra</author>
	<datestamp>1246624560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>LA you say? I'll consider it, but I live in western Europe, I'll have to save quite a bit for that<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-).</htmltext>
<tokenext>LA you say ?
I 'll consider it , but I live in western Europe , I 'll have to save quite a bit for that ; - ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>LA you say?
I'll consider it, but I live in western Europe, I'll have to save quite a bit for that ;-).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28576469</id>
	<title>Re:CPA</title>
	<author>Jeff321</author>
	<datestamp>1246627440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree, sign up with a company like Commission Junction and you will have thousands of people trying to get you sales.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree , sign up with a company like Commission Junction and you will have thousands of people trying to get you sales .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree, sign up with a company like Commission Junction and you will have thousands of people trying to get you sales.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28576063</id>
	<title>Re:Is this the product?</title>
	<author>one-man orchestra</author>
	<datestamp>1246623600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As much as I could enjoy some slashvertisement, I really want to talk about how to find an answer to my problem more than make a quick buck off getting Slashdotted and have the discussion drift towards explaining things about the software itself.

</p><p>Yes, this is the product in question. If you want a tutorial on how to create snare and kick drums in GIMP you might want to follow the tutorial on how to do that in Photoshop (same thing basically, brushes, layers and rectangles) on the YouTube channel. I unfortunately am not bored at all, between coding/debugging and trying to keep the sales going in any way I can while trying to figure out how to solve the problems this Ask Slashdot is about<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As much as I could enjoy some slashvertisement , I really want to talk about how to find an answer to my problem more than make a quick buck off getting Slashdotted and have the discussion drift towards explaining things about the software itself .
Yes , this is the product in question .
If you want a tutorial on how to create snare and kick drums in GIMP you might want to follow the tutorial on how to do that in Photoshop ( same thing basically , brushes , layers and rectangles ) on the YouTube channel .
I unfortunately am not bored at all , between coding/debugging and trying to keep the sales going in any way I can while trying to figure out how to solve the problems this Ask Slashdot is about ; - ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As much as I could enjoy some slashvertisement, I really want to talk about how to find an answer to my problem more than make a quick buck off getting Slashdotted and have the discussion drift towards explaining things about the software itself.
Yes, this is the product in question.
If you want a tutorial on how to create snare and kick drums in GIMP you might want to follow the tutorial on how to do that in Photoshop (same thing basically, brushes, layers and rectangles) on the YouTube channel.
I unfortunately am not bored at all, between coding/debugging and trying to keep the sales going in any way I can while trying to figure out how to solve the problems this Ask Slashdot is about ;-).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575323</id>
	<title>Some tips specific to audio apps.</title>
	<author>conner\_bw</author>
	<datestamp>1246617180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hi,</p><p>I can relate. I'm on the dev team of a multi-platform audio program (<a href="http://www.renoise.com/" title="renoise.com">Renoise</a> [renoise.com]), our community got a bit more serious in the last year or two, and the following has helped us greatly.</p><p>Listen to your users. If your users like your software, they will talk about your software. Word of mouth goes far. If your software gets feedback from an active community, you will go far. It's like a Moebius loop of good times.</p><p>Write press releases. <a href="http://www.netpress.org/careandfeeding.html" title="netpress.org">This document</a> [netpress.org] does a good job of outlining how to write on. The next step would be to get a list of contacts to relevant press and personally write them whenever you have something to talk about. (Examples: KVRAUDIO, Audio Magazines, Industry Websites, User blogs, Etc.) If they reply, write back.</p><p>Included user documentation. Renoise is a bit arcane. Up until version 2.0 we didn't include any documentation with the app; assuming the user would figure it out like back in the BBS/Mod days, or at least surf our wiki. The quickstart PDF introduced in version 2.0 was a big boom for us.</p><p>List your software with free online software listings. Is it really multi-platform? If so, list on Freshmeat for Linux and  Apple Downloads / MacUpdate for Macintosh. These have generated significant traffic for us. Windows is all over the place, so I guess list in as many places as you want/can? Fair warning: audio-apps are niche software. You will get more downloads for a<br>registry cleaner than an audio app. The money we shelled out for an expedited listing on TUCOWS didn't do much except (maybe?) boost our pagerank? No significant human traffic comes from there... The world of windows is fragmented as far as we can tell.</p><p>Promotional partnerships. We got good results with MUPROMO, for example. Don't overdo/over saturate these types of promos, of course.</p><p>Other stuff specific to Renoise: We have a lot of community driven music competitions, an active IRC channel, a very lenient shareware model, and we're interested in doing hardware partnerships / have our software included with hardware. (In the works, hello world?) We are also keeping our eye on audio trade shows like NAMM / Musik Messe.</p><p>Hope this helps.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi,I can relate .
I 'm on the dev team of a multi-platform audio program ( Renoise [ renoise.com ] ) , our community got a bit more serious in the last year or two , and the following has helped us greatly.Listen to your users .
If your users like your software , they will talk about your software .
Word of mouth goes far .
If your software gets feedback from an active community , you will go far .
It 's like a Moebius loop of good times.Write press releases .
This document [ netpress.org ] does a good job of outlining how to write on .
The next step would be to get a list of contacts to relevant press and personally write them whenever you have something to talk about .
( Examples : KVRAUDIO , Audio Magazines , Industry Websites , User blogs , Etc .
) If they reply , write back.Included user documentation .
Renoise is a bit arcane .
Up until version 2.0 we did n't include any documentation with the app ; assuming the user would figure it out like back in the BBS/Mod days , or at least surf our wiki .
The quickstart PDF introduced in version 2.0 was a big boom for us.List your software with free online software listings .
Is it really multi-platform ?
If so , list on Freshmeat for Linux and Apple Downloads / MacUpdate for Macintosh .
These have generated significant traffic for us .
Windows is all over the place , so I guess list in as many places as you want/can ?
Fair warning : audio-apps are niche software .
You will get more downloads for aregistry cleaner than an audio app .
The money we shelled out for an expedited listing on TUCOWS did n't do much except ( maybe ?
) boost our pagerank ?
No significant human traffic comes from there... The world of windows is fragmented as far as we can tell.Promotional partnerships .
We got good results with MUPROMO , for example .
Do n't overdo/over saturate these types of promos , of course.Other stuff specific to Renoise : We have a lot of community driven music competitions , an active IRC channel , a very lenient shareware model , and we 're interested in doing hardware partnerships / have our software included with hardware .
( In the works , hello world ?
) We are also keeping our eye on audio trade shows like NAMM / Musik Messe.Hope this helps .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi,I can relate.
I'm on the dev team of a multi-platform audio program (Renoise [renoise.com]), our community got a bit more serious in the last year or two, and the following has helped us greatly.Listen to your users.
If your users like your software, they will talk about your software.
Word of mouth goes far.
If your software gets feedback from an active community, you will go far.
It's like a Moebius loop of good times.Write press releases.
This document [netpress.org] does a good job of outlining how to write on.
The next step would be to get a list of contacts to relevant press and personally write them whenever you have something to talk about.
(Examples: KVRAUDIO, Audio Magazines, Industry Websites, User blogs, Etc.
) If they reply, write back.Included user documentation.
Renoise is a bit arcane.
Up until version 2.0 we didn't include any documentation with the app; assuming the user would figure it out like back in the BBS/Mod days, or at least surf our wiki.
The quickstart PDF introduced in version 2.0 was a big boom for us.List your software with free online software listings.
Is it really multi-platform?
If so, list on Freshmeat for Linux and  Apple Downloads / MacUpdate for Macintosh.
These have generated significant traffic for us.
Windows is all over the place, so I guess list in as many places as you want/can?
Fair warning: audio-apps are niche software.
You will get more downloads for aregistry cleaner than an audio app.
The money we shelled out for an expedited listing on TUCOWS didn't do much except (maybe?
) boost our pagerank?
No significant human traffic comes from there... The world of windows is fragmented as far as we can tell.Promotional partnerships.
We got good results with MUPROMO, for example.
Don't overdo/over saturate these types of promos, of course.Other stuff specific to Renoise: We have a lot of community driven music competitions, an active IRC channel, a very lenient shareware model, and we're interested in doing hardware partnerships / have our software included with hardware.
(In the works, hello world?
) We are also keeping our eye on audio trade shows like NAMM / Musik Messe.Hope this helps.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575981</id>
	<title>Duct Tape Marketing</title>
	<author>philipborlin</author>
	<datestamp>1246622940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Before you give up on solo marketing take a look at the book Duct Tape Marketing.  It gives you a basic understanding of marketing and is geared towards doing it on the cheap.  If you still want to hire out then you will at least be able to talk intelligently and have a better idea what to expect from whoever you hire.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Before you give up on solo marketing take a look at the book Duct Tape Marketing .
It gives you a basic understanding of marketing and is geared towards doing it on the cheap .
If you still want to hire out then you will at least be able to talk intelligently and have a better idea what to expect from whoever you hire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before you give up on solo marketing take a look at the book Duct Tape Marketing.
It gives you a basic understanding of marketing and is geared towards doing it on the cheap.
If you still want to hire out then you will at least be able to talk intelligently and have a better idea what to expect from whoever you hire.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575601</id>
	<title>Appeal to the intended market</title>
	<author>erroneus</author>
	<datestamp>1246619400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can market it yourself if this is a niche market type of software tool.  Make contact with groups and users.  I imagine it would be a difficult group of people to contact and that is where marketing contacts would come in handy, but once you make contact with the core users, enlist a few fans and tweak it for them and then let their word of mouth spread to their peers or persuade them to reveal some additional contacts so that you can present it to them.</p><p>I presume you are already acquainted with the peer group you are seeking to market this to, so you already know their personalities, their likes and most importantly their dislikes.  Approach them the way you would want to be approached.  Don't piss them off or spam them.</p><p>If you leave it up to "marketers" you can bet that is exactly what they will do -- spam them and turn them off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You can market it yourself if this is a niche market type of software tool .
Make contact with groups and users .
I imagine it would be a difficult group of people to contact and that is where marketing contacts would come in handy , but once you make contact with the core users , enlist a few fans and tweak it for them and then let their word of mouth spread to their peers or persuade them to reveal some additional contacts so that you can present it to them.I presume you are already acquainted with the peer group you are seeking to market this to , so you already know their personalities , their likes and most importantly their dislikes .
Approach them the way you would want to be approached .
Do n't piss them off or spam them.If you leave it up to " marketers " you can bet that is exactly what they will do -- spam them and turn them off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can market it yourself if this is a niche market type of software tool.
Make contact with groups and users.
I imagine it would be a difficult group of people to contact and that is where marketing contacts would come in handy, but once you make contact with the core users, enlist a few fans and tweak it for them and then let their word of mouth spread to their peers or persuade them to reveal some additional contacts so that you can present it to them.I presume you are already acquainted with the peer group you are seeking to market this to, so you already know their personalities, their likes and most importantly their dislikes.
Approach them the way you would want to be approached.
Don't piss them off or spam them.If you leave it up to "marketers" you can bet that is exactly what they will do -- spam them and turn them off.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575761</id>
	<title>Easy, good answers</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1246620780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(moderately) Easy, good answers:</p><p>(1) Hire a firm that knows about marketing software.</p><p>(2) Sell it to a company that already markets software to your target audience.</p><p>Difficult, good answers:</p><p>(1) Make a serious stab at starting your own software company and hire people who know how to do this.</p><p>Easy, bad answers:</p><p>(1) Ask some random bloke on Slashdot what he thinks.</p><p>I've been down this road myself, and believe me there are thousands of things that seem obviously true about selling software that turn out to be horribly wrong in ways you couldn't possibly imagine.   Take pricing, for example, one of the most basic decisions you have to make.  We thought we'd price our product low because killing ourselves to make sales wasn't appealing. Boy was that ever wrong.   We ended up killing ourselves to make <em>small</em> sales.   I finally browbeat my partner into raising the price, and suddenly sales became a lot easier.   What happened was that the pragmatic adopters always wait for the early adopters to take the risk, and the early adopters were turned off by the low price because they wanted the shiniest, coolest toy.   Until we raised prices, we had two or three really good customers who kept us going, and dozens of whiney, tight fisted bottom feeders who'd paid next to nothing for our software and thought that entitled them to endless free consulting.</p><p>It turns out the pricing decision was waaay more complicated than we ever dreamed.  You can price your product too low to sell, or price it too high.  In some cases you can make money with a really cheap product (think stuff like ring tones and really asinine iPhone apps) as long as it's the kind of thing nobody would ever dream of calling for support.</p><p>If you really want to make a serious business out of selling software, you've got to prepare yourself to learn a lot about business and marketing, even if you hire people to help you with this.  Oh, and of course business law.  You <em>do</em> have liability insurance, don't you?  A lawyer to write your license agreements?</p><p>If you just want to make a few bucks out of something you've done for fun, and have no interest in the headaches of running a business, then at least get a little legal advice about how to protect yourself from liability.   Then don't worry, be happy.  You're doing this for fun.</p><p>Or you could open source your software.  If writing software is something you love to do, and the money is something that you don't want to worry about, then this might be a better choice for you.  You see making money and looking after a business takes money, so unless you're willing to devote some effort and investment into those things, you're almost certainly going to lose money, especially if you account for the trouble and opportunity costs the headaches you'll inevitably have.   Having written an open source product that people  use and appreciate can be a very economically valuable thing to you.  It can open doors to new jobs or consulting contracts, for example. And if you are coding this thing for fun, you'll get to do more coding when you hear back from users about what they want.  That's really the most personally rewarding thing about owning a business: learning about customers and getting better at serving their needs.</p><p>At least that's the most rewarding thing about owning a moderately successful business.  It's possible that owning a business that makes you fabulously wealthy means never having to say you're sorry, but I couldn't tell you about that.   It sounds like that's not what you're looking for, in any case.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( moderately ) Easy , good answers : ( 1 ) Hire a firm that knows about marketing software .
( 2 ) Sell it to a company that already markets software to your target audience.Difficult , good answers : ( 1 ) Make a serious stab at starting your own software company and hire people who know how to do this.Easy , bad answers : ( 1 ) Ask some random bloke on Slashdot what he thinks.I 've been down this road myself , and believe me there are thousands of things that seem obviously true about selling software that turn out to be horribly wrong in ways you could n't possibly imagine .
Take pricing , for example , one of the most basic decisions you have to make .
We thought we 'd price our product low because killing ourselves to make sales was n't appealing .
Boy was that ever wrong .
We ended up killing ourselves to make small sales .
I finally browbeat my partner into raising the price , and suddenly sales became a lot easier .
What happened was that the pragmatic adopters always wait for the early adopters to take the risk , and the early adopters were turned off by the low price because they wanted the shiniest , coolest toy .
Until we raised prices , we had two or three really good customers who kept us going , and dozens of whiney , tight fisted bottom feeders who 'd paid next to nothing for our software and thought that entitled them to endless free consulting.It turns out the pricing decision was waaay more complicated than we ever dreamed .
You can price your product too low to sell , or price it too high .
In some cases you can make money with a really cheap product ( think stuff like ring tones and really asinine iPhone apps ) as long as it 's the kind of thing nobody would ever dream of calling for support.If you really want to make a serious business out of selling software , you 've got to prepare yourself to learn a lot about business and marketing , even if you hire people to help you with this .
Oh , and of course business law .
You do have liability insurance , do n't you ?
A lawyer to write your license agreements ? If you just want to make a few bucks out of something you 've done for fun , and have no interest in the headaches of running a business , then at least get a little legal advice about how to protect yourself from liability .
Then do n't worry , be happy .
You 're doing this for fun.Or you could open source your software .
If writing software is something you love to do , and the money is something that you do n't want to worry about , then this might be a better choice for you .
You see making money and looking after a business takes money , so unless you 're willing to devote some effort and investment into those things , you 're almost certainly going to lose money , especially if you account for the trouble and opportunity costs the headaches you 'll inevitably have .
Having written an open source product that people use and appreciate can be a very economically valuable thing to you .
It can open doors to new jobs or consulting contracts , for example .
And if you are coding this thing for fun , you 'll get to do more coding when you hear back from users about what they want .
That 's really the most personally rewarding thing about owning a business : learning about customers and getting better at serving their needs.At least that 's the most rewarding thing about owning a moderately successful business .
It 's possible that owning a business that makes you fabulously wealthy means never having to say you 're sorry , but I could n't tell you about that .
It sounds like that 's not what you 're looking for , in any case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(moderately) Easy, good answers:(1) Hire a firm that knows about marketing software.
(2) Sell it to a company that already markets software to your target audience.Difficult, good answers:(1) Make a serious stab at starting your own software company and hire people who know how to do this.Easy, bad answers:(1) Ask some random bloke on Slashdot what he thinks.I've been down this road myself, and believe me there are thousands of things that seem obviously true about selling software that turn out to be horribly wrong in ways you couldn't possibly imagine.
Take pricing, for example, one of the most basic decisions you have to make.
We thought we'd price our product low because killing ourselves to make sales wasn't appealing.
Boy was that ever wrong.
We ended up killing ourselves to make small sales.
I finally browbeat my partner into raising the price, and suddenly sales became a lot easier.
What happened was that the pragmatic adopters always wait for the early adopters to take the risk, and the early adopters were turned off by the low price because they wanted the shiniest, coolest toy.
Until we raised prices, we had two or three really good customers who kept us going, and dozens of whiney, tight fisted bottom feeders who'd paid next to nothing for our software and thought that entitled them to endless free consulting.It turns out the pricing decision was waaay more complicated than we ever dreamed.
You can price your product too low to sell, or price it too high.
In some cases you can make money with a really cheap product (think stuff like ring tones and really asinine iPhone apps) as long as it's the kind of thing nobody would ever dream of calling for support.If you really want to make a serious business out of selling software, you've got to prepare yourself to learn a lot about business and marketing, even if you hire people to help you with this.
Oh, and of course business law.
You do have liability insurance, don't you?
A lawyer to write your license agreements?If you just want to make a few bucks out of something you've done for fun, and have no interest in the headaches of running a business, then at least get a little legal advice about how to protect yourself from liability.
Then don't worry, be happy.
You're doing this for fun.Or you could open source your software.
If writing software is something you love to do, and the money is something that you don't want to worry about, then this might be a better choice for you.
You see making money and looking after a business takes money, so unless you're willing to devote some effort and investment into those things, you're almost certainly going to lose money, especially if you account for the trouble and opportunity costs the headaches you'll inevitably have.
Having written an open source product that people  use and appreciate can be a very economically valuable thing to you.
It can open doors to new jobs or consulting contracts, for example.
And if you are coding this thing for fun, you'll get to do more coding when you hear back from users about what they want.
That's really the most personally rewarding thing about owning a business: learning about customers and getting better at serving their needs.At least that's the most rewarding thing about owning a moderately successful business.
It's possible that owning a business that makes you fabulously wealthy means never having to say you're sorry, but I couldn't tell you about that.
It sounds like that's not what you're looking for, in any case.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28578059</id>
	<title>OMFG</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246646880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Read a freakin' marketing book (or 10). You get what you pay for. If you want to take short cuts and pay someone diddly for marketing, expect diddly in return. Take a course. Get a clue.</p><p>If you already had a clue, you would do the marketing research before you had a program to market.</p><p>Typical freakin' geeks. Google 'brains' one day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Read a freakin ' marketing book ( or 10 ) .
You get what you pay for .
If you want to take short cuts and pay someone diddly for marketing , expect diddly in return .
Take a course .
Get a clue.If you already had a clue , you would do the marketing research before you had a program to market.Typical freakin ' geeks .
Google 'brains ' one day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Read a freakin' marketing book (or 10).
You get what you pay for.
If you want to take short cuts and pay someone diddly for marketing, expect diddly in return.
Take a course.
Get a clue.If you already had a clue, you would do the marketing research before you had a program to market.Typical freakin' geeks.
Google 'brains' one day.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575989</id>
	<title>Re:This is really a niche marketing problem...</title>
	<author>one-man orchestra</author>
	<datestamp>1246623060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I sent press releases for the 1.0 release of my program, then I tried again for a couple of other releases but this time no site would publish them.</p><p>I do however frequent all the forums of the sites you mentioned, not to announce new releases but usually to present new achievements and experiments done with my program, but my problem is that this is the bulk of my current marketing strategy, and this yields irregular results and is I believe not sustainable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I sent press releases for the 1.0 release of my program , then I tried again for a couple of other releases but this time no site would publish them.I do however frequent all the forums of the sites you mentioned , not to announce new releases but usually to present new achievements and experiments done with my program , but my problem is that this is the bulk of my current marketing strategy , and this yields irregular results and is I believe not sustainable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I sent press releases for the 1.0 release of my program, then I tried again for a couple of other releases but this time no site would publish them.I do however frequent all the forums of the sites you mentioned, not to announce new releases but usually to present new achievements and experiments done with my program, but my problem is that this is the bulk of my current marketing strategy, and this yields irregular results and is I believe not sustainable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28576095</id>
	<title>Great suggestion</title>
	<author>msimm</author>
	<datestamp>1246623780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When I used to produce my own music I read trade magazine like a car lover might read auto magazines. Getting featured in a decent music magazine (if the product is interesting enough) could create loads of demand.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When I used to produce my own music I read trade magazine like a car lover might read auto magazines .
Getting featured in a decent music magazine ( if the product is interesting enough ) could create loads of demand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I used to produce my own music I read trade magazine like a car lover might read auto magazines.
Getting featured in a decent music magazine (if the product is interesting enough) could create loads of demand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575477</id>
	<title>NAMM</title>
	<author>clifyt</author>
	<datestamp>1246618500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you are serious about selling something like this, hit Winter NAMM.</p><p>Don't have to have to have a booth or anything, just bring along a few dozen CDs and give them away to folks you talk to and get the big boys looking at it.  While you are there, look for representatives looking for products...I have several friends that do this...generally, there is a honest to goodness analog bulletin board set up that folks leave Looking For Representation or Looking To Represent signs...</p><p>I've repped a few products in the past, but I won't do it anymore (I like being an amateur in the industry and not wanting to get sucked back into that hellhole!  I like only having to visit lalaland a few times a year!).</p><p>Generally NAMM is mid to late Jan...Summer NAMM is probably going on soon, but it is pretty much a geetar show and doesn't geek out like the big one.  Save some money and fly out to LA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you are serious about selling something like this , hit Winter NAMM.Do n't have to have to have a booth or anything , just bring along a few dozen CDs and give them away to folks you talk to and get the big boys looking at it .
While you are there , look for representatives looking for products...I have several friends that do this...generally , there is a honest to goodness analog bulletin board set up that folks leave Looking For Representation or Looking To Represent signs...I 've repped a few products in the past , but I wo n't do it anymore ( I like being an amateur in the industry and not wanting to get sucked back into that hellhole !
I like only having to visit lalaland a few times a year !
) .Generally NAMM is mid to late Jan...Summer NAMM is probably going on soon , but it is pretty much a geetar show and does n't geek out like the big one .
Save some money and fly out to LA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you are serious about selling something like this, hit Winter NAMM.Don't have to have to have a booth or anything, just bring along a few dozen CDs and give them away to folks you talk to and get the big boys looking at it.
While you are there, look for representatives looking for products...I have several friends that do this...generally, there is a honest to goodness analog bulletin board set up that folks leave Looking For Representation or Looking To Represent signs...I've repped a few products in the past, but I won't do it anymore (I like being an amateur in the industry and not wanting to get sucked back into that hellhole!
I like only having to visit lalaland a few times a year!
).Generally NAMM is mid to late Jan...Summer NAMM is probably going on soon, but it is pretty much a geetar show and doesn't geek out like the big one.
Save some money and fly out to LA.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28576039</id>
	<title>Have you considered SPAMMING people?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246623360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That seems to work pretty well...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That seems to work pretty well.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That seems to work pretty well...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575387</id>
	<title>Talk to someone knowledgable in marketing (duh!)</title>
	<author>loose electron</author>
	<datestamp>1246617780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There are a heap of independents out there doing low cost marketing and can do things on the cheap.</p><p>Two possibles:</p><p><a href="http://www.fullycaffeinated.com/main.htm" title="fullycaffeinated.com">http://www.fullycaffeinated.com/main.htm</a> [fullycaffeinated.com]</p><p><a href="http://shoestringmktg.com/About\_ShoeString.html" title="shoestringmktg.com">http://shoestringmktg.com/About\_ShoeString.html</a> [shoestringmktg.com]</p><p>Two independent marketing people that do it on the cheap.<br>There are others as well.</p><p>Its a starting point!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a heap of independents out there doing low cost marketing and can do things on the cheap.Two possibles : http : //www.fullycaffeinated.com/main.htm [ fullycaffeinated.com ] http : //shoestringmktg.com/About \ _ShoeString.html [ shoestringmktg.com ] Two independent marketing people that do it on the cheap.There are others as well.Its a starting point !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are a heap of independents out there doing low cost marketing and can do things on the cheap.Two possibles:http://www.fullycaffeinated.com/main.htm [fullycaffeinated.com]http://shoestringmktg.com/About\_ShoeString.html [shoestringmktg.com]Two independent marketing people that do it on the cheap.There are others as well.Its a starting point!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28576061</id>
	<title>Marketing is not a problem</title>
	<author>assert(0)</author>
	<datestamp>1246623540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Write good code that<br>2. solves the problem better than your competitors<br>3. Marketing is not a problem.<br>4. Profit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Write good code that2 .
solves the problem better than your competitors3 .
Marketing is not a problem.4 .
Profit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Write good code that2.
solves the problem better than your competitors3.
Marketing is not a problem.4.
Profit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28576115</id>
	<title>Re:Protect Your Intellectual Rights Before You Sel</title>
	<author>thepainguy</author>
	<datestamp>1246623900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wouldn't lock something down until it STARTS getting stolen, because that is usually the mark of a product that is actually valuable (and not just a toy that can be discarded without concern).<br> <br>FTP Voyager started out this way.<br> <br>They got me hooked with free versions and once I got addicted they started charging (modestly) for it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't lock something down until it STARTS getting stolen , because that is usually the mark of a product that is actually valuable ( and not just a toy that can be discarded without concern ) .
FTP Voyager started out this way .
They got me hooked with free versions and once I got addicted they started charging ( modestly ) for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't lock something down until it STARTS getting stolen, because that is usually the mark of a product that is actually valuable (and not just a toy that can be discarded without concern).
FTP Voyager started out this way.
They got me hooked with free versions and once I got addicted they started charging (modestly) for it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28577619</id>
	<title>Let some sound engineering magazines review it</title>
	<author>pikine</author>
	<datestamp>1246641300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Walk into a bookstore, look at some magazines about audio and sound engineering, and contact the publisher to see if they're interested in reviewing your software. I can recall one prominent magazine called <a href="http://www.soundonsound.com/" title="soundonsound.com">Sound on Sound</a> [soundonsound.com], but you should be able to find more.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Walk into a bookstore , look at some magazines about audio and sound engineering , and contact the publisher to see if they 're interested in reviewing your software .
I can recall one prominent magazine called Sound on Sound [ soundonsound.com ] , but you should be able to find more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Walk into a bookstore, look at some magazines about audio and sound engineering, and contact the publisher to see if they're interested in reviewing your software.
I can recall one prominent magazine called Sound on Sound [soundonsound.com], but you should be able to find more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575939</id>
	<title>You need more people!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246622460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get more people involved. Get business partners. It will greatly increase your chances of success.</p><p>You can generally devide partners into two categories: internal partners (who own a chunk of your business) and external partners (with whom you share a set of common business goals IN ADDITION to simply earning profit).</p><p>It is hard to find people you can actually partner up with, and share your business with (internal partners). You need mutual trust, good chemestry, and to some extent agree on the strategy of the business and the product. But it is not impossible. Use your personal network. I am not talking about "LinkedIn", I mean real people. Talk to friends and family and tell them your thoughts. Talk to  Ask them about prospective partners. And be open to people who disagree with you when you talk with them.</p><p>Stay away from "business angels" and venture capitalists a little longer. You are not ready for them - you need to get a more clear picture of your product and your business (or they will rip you off and leave you with only a fraction of your original potential).</p><p>For external partners, look for companies that your product can complement - or vice versa. Could be other software vendors, hardware vendors, system builders, studios, etc. Find someone who sees your product as a valuable supplement to their existing business. A good business partners is ALWAYS someone who can see more potential than just simple profit. You need happy customers and a lot of success-stories. An external partner who is only interested in fast cash will care less about customer satisfaction.</p><p>- Jesper</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get more people involved .
Get business partners .
It will greatly increase your chances of success.You can generally devide partners into two categories : internal partners ( who own a chunk of your business ) and external partners ( with whom you share a set of common business goals IN ADDITION to simply earning profit ) .It is hard to find people you can actually partner up with , and share your business with ( internal partners ) .
You need mutual trust , good chemestry , and to some extent agree on the strategy of the business and the product .
But it is not impossible .
Use your personal network .
I am not talking about " LinkedIn " , I mean real people .
Talk to friends and family and tell them your thoughts .
Talk to Ask them about prospective partners .
And be open to people who disagree with you when you talk with them.Stay away from " business angels " and venture capitalists a little longer .
You are not ready for them - you need to get a more clear picture of your product and your business ( or they will rip you off and leave you with only a fraction of your original potential ) .For external partners , look for companies that your product can complement - or vice versa .
Could be other software vendors , hardware vendors , system builders , studios , etc .
Find someone who sees your product as a valuable supplement to their existing business .
A good business partners is ALWAYS someone who can see more potential than just simple profit .
You need happy customers and a lot of success-stories .
An external partner who is only interested in fast cash will care less about customer satisfaction.- Jesper</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get more people involved.
Get business partners.
It will greatly increase your chances of success.You can generally devide partners into two categories: internal partners (who own a chunk of your business) and external partners (with whom you share a set of common business goals IN ADDITION to simply earning profit).It is hard to find people you can actually partner up with, and share your business with (internal partners).
You need mutual trust, good chemestry, and to some extent agree on the strategy of the business and the product.
But it is not impossible.
Use your personal network.
I am not talking about "LinkedIn", I mean real people.
Talk to friends and family and tell them your thoughts.
Talk to  Ask them about prospective partners.
And be open to people who disagree with you when you talk with them.Stay away from "business angels" and venture capitalists a little longer.
You are not ready for them - you need to get a more clear picture of your product and your business (or they will rip you off and leave you with only a fraction of your original potential).For external partners, look for companies that your product can complement - or vice versa.
Could be other software vendors, hardware vendors, system builders, studios, etc.
Find someone who sees your product as a valuable supplement to their existing business.
A good business partners is ALWAYS someone who can see more potential than just simple profit.
You need happy customers and a lot of success-stories.
An external partner who is only interested in fast cash will care less about customer satisfaction.- Jesper</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575663</id>
	<title>Partners?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246619940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was in a very similar situation about 7-8 years ago. I had a halfway decent product, and trying to be marketer, coder, salesman, and customer relationships management was just asking too much. I was struggling to make ends meet.</p><p>After attending numerous small business workshops that didn't help me at all, I attended an excellent program put on my by local city Chamber of Commerce and the "Golden State Capital Network" on how to prepare your business for Venture Capital. This gave me *exactly* the information I needed to figure out how to succeed. (And I have done quite well since then) It very literally changed my life; I was able to see exactly what a business needs to succeed and why. Although I'll summarize here, the workshop went into extreme detail and I was like a sponge, gobbling up every little morsel with zeal!</p><p>The three major planks in a business:</p><p>1) Production. Duh, right? Cost to market? Quality control? Disaster recovery? What about scale? What do you do when you get an order for 100,000 widgets?</p><p>2) Marketing. Can you sell it? What competition do you have? What is your market? How are you going to position your product against competitors? How can you prevent other companies from stealing your clients? How are you going to make your company name "stick out" in clients' minds?</p><p>3) Administration (finance &amp; legal) How much did you make? What do you owe? What's your profit margin? What's your net/gross/adjusted gross/taxable profits? How do you minimize tax liability? Business risk? Personal risk? Are your sales contracts solid? How are you going to protect your "mojo", including your IP?</p><p>You need all three major planks Any business without all three of these planks put in solidly will almost assuredly fail. The amount of detail to consider is off the chart. They even had a simple worksheet that resulted in "likelyhood of success", with little 1-10s by every category so that you could quickly analyze your business and see its weak points. It was very, very, very humbling for me to do this, I think my fledgling business ranked somewhere around 7 on a 1-100 scale.</p><p>Very, very hard to swallow. I didn't have a bat's chance in Hades of making it a success.</p><p>But unfortunately, it was a correct assessment! Quickly I realized that there was just no way I was going to be able to keep all the points in line myself - there just weren't enough hours in the day. So I went out and looked for some good partners that I could trust to build a business with. It took me just over a year, but I found 'em and have since built a million-dollar business that's literally growing as fast as we can sustain.</p><p>After some analysis, I determined that our marketplace was too narrow for VC funding, we've instead gone more conservatively, and grown organically. The end result is that we have a heavy stream of new clients, a well-written, highly cohesive software stack, a well-defined market place, top-notch legal and accounting, excellent customer service, and "street cred" so good that our clients just RAVE about us at conventions.</p><p>So, to recap.....</p><p>1) Learn to analyze your business the way (smart) VCs do.</p><p>2) Look for the right partners.</p><p>3) Work your ass off.</p><p>4) ????!!??</p><p>5) Profit!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was in a very similar situation about 7-8 years ago .
I had a halfway decent product , and trying to be marketer , coder , salesman , and customer relationships management was just asking too much .
I was struggling to make ends meet.After attending numerous small business workshops that did n't help me at all , I attended an excellent program put on my by local city Chamber of Commerce and the " Golden State Capital Network " on how to prepare your business for Venture Capital .
This gave me * exactly * the information I needed to figure out how to succeed .
( And I have done quite well since then ) It very literally changed my life ; I was able to see exactly what a business needs to succeed and why .
Although I 'll summarize here , the workshop went into extreme detail and I was like a sponge , gobbling up every little morsel with zeal ! The three major planks in a business : 1 ) Production .
Duh , right ?
Cost to market ?
Quality control ?
Disaster recovery ?
What about scale ?
What do you do when you get an order for 100,000 widgets ? 2 ) Marketing .
Can you sell it ?
What competition do you have ?
What is your market ?
How are you going to position your product against competitors ?
How can you prevent other companies from stealing your clients ?
How are you going to make your company name " stick out " in clients ' minds ? 3 ) Administration ( finance &amp; legal ) How much did you make ?
What do you owe ?
What 's your profit margin ?
What 's your net/gross/adjusted gross/taxable profits ?
How do you minimize tax liability ?
Business risk ?
Personal risk ?
Are your sales contracts solid ?
How are you going to protect your " mojo " , including your IP ? You need all three major planks Any business without all three of these planks put in solidly will almost assuredly fail .
The amount of detail to consider is off the chart .
They even had a simple worksheet that resulted in " likelyhood of success " , with little 1-10s by every category so that you could quickly analyze your business and see its weak points .
It was very , very , very humbling for me to do this , I think my fledgling business ranked somewhere around 7 on a 1-100 scale.Very , very hard to swallow .
I did n't have a bat 's chance in Hades of making it a success.But unfortunately , it was a correct assessment !
Quickly I realized that there was just no way I was going to be able to keep all the points in line myself - there just were n't enough hours in the day .
So I went out and looked for some good partners that I could trust to build a business with .
It took me just over a year , but I found 'em and have since built a million-dollar business that 's literally growing as fast as we can sustain.After some analysis , I determined that our marketplace was too narrow for VC funding , we 've instead gone more conservatively , and grown organically .
The end result is that we have a heavy stream of new clients , a well-written , highly cohesive software stack , a well-defined market place , top-notch legal and accounting , excellent customer service , and " street cred " so good that our clients just RAVE about us at conventions.So , to recap.....1 ) Learn to analyze your business the way ( smart ) VCs do.2 ) Look for the right partners.3 ) Work your ass off.4 ) ? ? ? ? ! ! ?
? 5 ) Profit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was in a very similar situation about 7-8 years ago.
I had a halfway decent product, and trying to be marketer, coder, salesman, and customer relationships management was just asking too much.
I was struggling to make ends meet.After attending numerous small business workshops that didn't help me at all, I attended an excellent program put on my by local city Chamber of Commerce and the "Golden State Capital Network" on how to prepare your business for Venture Capital.
This gave me *exactly* the information I needed to figure out how to succeed.
(And I have done quite well since then) It very literally changed my life; I was able to see exactly what a business needs to succeed and why.
Although I'll summarize here, the workshop went into extreme detail and I was like a sponge, gobbling up every little morsel with zeal!The three major planks in a business:1) Production.
Duh, right?
Cost to market?
Quality control?
Disaster recovery?
What about scale?
What do you do when you get an order for 100,000 widgets?2) Marketing.
Can you sell it?
What competition do you have?
What is your market?
How are you going to position your product against competitors?
How can you prevent other companies from stealing your clients?
How are you going to make your company name "stick out" in clients' minds?3) Administration (finance &amp; legal) How much did you make?
What do you owe?
What's your profit margin?
What's your net/gross/adjusted gross/taxable profits?
How do you minimize tax liability?
Business risk?
Personal risk?
Are your sales contracts solid?
How are you going to protect your "mojo", including your IP?You need all three major planks Any business without all three of these planks put in solidly will almost assuredly fail.
The amount of detail to consider is off the chart.
They even had a simple worksheet that resulted in "likelyhood of success", with little 1-10s by every category so that you could quickly analyze your business and see its weak points.
It was very, very, very humbling for me to do this, I think my fledgling business ranked somewhere around 7 on a 1-100 scale.Very, very hard to swallow.
I didn't have a bat's chance in Hades of making it a success.But unfortunately, it was a correct assessment!
Quickly I realized that there was just no way I was going to be able to keep all the points in line myself - there just weren't enough hours in the day.
So I went out and looked for some good partners that I could trust to build a business with.
It took me just over a year, but I found 'em and have since built a million-dollar business that's literally growing as fast as we can sustain.After some analysis, I determined that our marketplace was too narrow for VC funding, we've instead gone more conservatively, and grown organically.
The end result is that we have a heavy stream of new clients, a well-written, highly cohesive software stack, a well-defined market place, top-notch legal and accounting, excellent customer service, and "street cred" so good that our clients just RAVE about us at conventions.So, to recap.....1) Learn to analyze your business the way (smart) VCs do.2) Look for the right partners.3) Work your ass off.4) ????!!?
?5) Profit!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575347</id>
	<title>Search Engine Marketing</title>
	<author>thepainguy</author>
	<datestamp>1246617360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do you have a web site? Have you done any search engine marketing (SEM)? How does your product rank for the keyphrase "spectrogram editor" (assuming that really is the keyphrase)? You could do some basic, but effective SEM yourself and for very little money.<br> <br>I just Googled the term and there are no relevant links, which means you could probably get a high ranking pretty easily and quickly if you put up some quality information like an FAQ.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you have a web site ?
Have you done any search engine marketing ( SEM ) ?
How does your product rank for the keyphrase " spectrogram editor " ( assuming that really is the keyphrase ) ?
You could do some basic , but effective SEM yourself and for very little money .
I just Googled the term and there are no relevant links , which means you could probably get a high ranking pretty easily and quickly if you put up some quality information like an FAQ .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you have a web site?
Have you done any search engine marketing (SEM)?
How does your product rank for the keyphrase "spectrogram editor" (assuming that really is the keyphrase)?
You could do some basic, but effective SEM yourself and for very little money.
I just Googled the term and there are no relevant links, which means you could probably get a high ranking pretty easily and quickly if you put up some quality information like an FAQ.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575517</id>
	<title>Re:Protect Your Intellectual Rights Before You Sel</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1246618800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good idea.  Make your program less convenient for legitimate users, it's a method guaranteed to increase goodwill and word-of-mouth sales.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good idea .
Make your program less convenient for legitimate users , it 's a method guaranteed to increase goodwill and word-of-mouth sales .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good idea.
Make your program less convenient for legitimate users, it's a method guaranteed to increase goodwill and word-of-mouth sales.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575399</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575485</id>
	<title>yo</title>
	<author>ae1294</author>
	<datestamp>1246618560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hear bit-torrent is a good place to publish your work....</p><p>Just post the source with your full name, home address, SSN#, DOB, and banking information and a-wait <b>profit</b>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hear bit-torrent is a good place to publish your work....Just post the source with your full name , home address , SSN # , DOB , and banking information and a-wait profit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hear bit-torrent is a good place to publish your work....Just post the source with your full name, home address, SSN#, DOB, and banking information and a-wait profit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575305</id>
	<title>CPA</title>
	<author>sopssa</author>
	<datestamp>1246617000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost\_per\_action" title="wikipedia.org">CPA</a> [wikipedia.org] marketers are the perfect answer for you. They do marketing online full time and know how to reach the target audience for you, and you also wont be paying for nothing but the sales.</p><p>They generally get ~25\% of the sale price, and you wont need to try to get converting users from adsense or any other ad service where you just pay for clicks or banners and have no idea if they will actually buy your product. With CPA model other people will do that for you. This works great for both; you get to do what you know, aka the coding and dont need to spend your time on the marketing, and they get their pay depending on their performance. It also works good for minimizing fraud, since you will be only paying for real sales.</p><p>CPA companies usually also have a good support managers that teach you what to do and how to go about it. After all, they'll profit also depend on how many sales their affiliates can deliver to you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CPA [ wikipedia.org ] marketers are the perfect answer for you .
They do marketing online full time and know how to reach the target audience for you , and you also wont be paying for nothing but the sales.They generally get ~ 25 \ % of the sale price , and you wont need to try to get converting users from adsense or any other ad service where you just pay for clicks or banners and have no idea if they will actually buy your product .
With CPA model other people will do that for you .
This works great for both ; you get to do what you know , aka the coding and dont need to spend your time on the marketing , and they get their pay depending on their performance .
It also works good for minimizing fraud , since you will be only paying for real sales.CPA companies usually also have a good support managers that teach you what to do and how to go about it .
After all , they 'll profit also depend on how many sales their affiliates can deliver to you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CPA [wikipedia.org] marketers are the perfect answer for you.
They do marketing online full time and know how to reach the target audience for you, and you also wont be paying for nothing but the sales.They generally get ~25\% of the sale price, and you wont need to try to get converting users from adsense or any other ad service where you just pay for clicks or banners and have no idea if they will actually buy your product.
With CPA model other people will do that for you.
This works great for both; you get to do what you know, aka the coding and dont need to spend your time on the marketing, and they get their pay depending on their performance.
It also works good for minimizing fraud, since you will be only paying for real sales.CPA companies usually also have a good support managers that teach you what to do and how to go about it.
After all, they'll profit also depend on how many sales their affiliates can deliver to you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28576147</id>
	<title>Re:Protect Your Intellectual Rights Before You Sel</title>
	<author>one-man orchestra</author>
	<datestamp>1246624260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I had a lot of discussion about this with fellow developers prior to releasing the first version, and I've been repeatedly advised to not worry so much about it and mostly not do anything that would get in the way of legitimate users. I settled for using two binaries, a demo one, freely available but devoid of the code needed to turn it into a full version, and a full binary, only accessible by a download link given after you bought it, validated by part of your serial number in the download url.

</p><p>It may seem weak, but not making the full binary available this easily seems to work well. over 6 months and over a hundred sales later I still can't find anything on torrent sites, rapidshare and the like or eD2k. Let's hope it goes on like this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a lot of discussion about this with fellow developers prior to releasing the first version , and I 've been repeatedly advised to not worry so much about it and mostly not do anything that would get in the way of legitimate users .
I settled for using two binaries , a demo one , freely available but devoid of the code needed to turn it into a full version , and a full binary , only accessible by a download link given after you bought it , validated by part of your serial number in the download url .
It may seem weak , but not making the full binary available this easily seems to work well .
over 6 months and over a hundred sales later I still ca n't find anything on torrent sites , rapidshare and the like or eD2k .
Let 's hope it goes on like this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a lot of discussion about this with fellow developers prior to releasing the first version, and I've been repeatedly advised to not worry so much about it and mostly not do anything that would get in the way of legitimate users.
I settled for using two binaries, a demo one, freely available but devoid of the code needed to turn it into a full version, and a full binary, only accessible by a download link given after you bought it, validated by part of your serial number in the download url.
It may seem weak, but not making the full binary available this easily seems to work well.
over 6 months and over a hundred sales later I still can't find anything on torrent sites, rapidshare and the like or eD2k.
Let's hope it goes on like this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575829</id>
	<title>Re:Some tips specific to audio apps.</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1246621500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm curious - how much traffic did you get off Betanews?</p><p>When I think of places to download Windows stuff, three sites pop into my mind. Betanews/fileforum, MajorGeeks, and Cnet. (ugh - if I have to)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm curious - how much traffic did you get off Betanews ? When I think of places to download Windows stuff , three sites pop into my mind .
Betanews/fileforum , MajorGeeks , and Cnet .
( ugh - if I have to )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm curious - how much traffic did you get off Betanews?When I think of places to download Windows stuff, three sites pop into my mind.
Betanews/fileforum, MajorGeeks, and Cnet.
(ugh - if I have to)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28581001</id>
	<title>Re:Protect Your Intellectual Rights Before You Sel</title>
	<author>EdgeyEdgey</author>
	<datestamp>1246730100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or make it very easy to pirate and use that as marketing.  <br>
To get money, have a nag screen, a trial period or charge for access to help desks and other people using your software.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or make it very easy to pirate and use that as marketing .
To get money , have a nag screen , a trial period or charge for access to help desks and other people using your software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or make it very easy to pirate and use that as marketing.
To get money, have a nag screen, a trial period or charge for access to help desks and other people using your software.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28578945</id>
	<title>Be careful who you do business with</title>
	<author>jimicus</author>
	<datestamp>1246705440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's the one piece of advice I'd offer.</p><p>True story:  a company rang me up about a year ago to ask if I'd be interested in buying some imaging software (think Ghost, Acronis etc).</p><p>I asked where they'd got my name and number from.</p><p>It turns out they had partnered with a company that produces imaging software that I had previously had contact with and were using the information they got through that partnering agreement.  Specifically, they were using it to sell <b> <i>a competitors' product</i> </b>.  And they honestly seemed to have no idea why I might be a little nervous about doing business with them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the one piece of advice I 'd offer.True story : a company rang me up about a year ago to ask if I 'd be interested in buying some imaging software ( think Ghost , Acronis etc ) .I asked where they 'd got my name and number from.It turns out they had partnered with a company that produces imaging software that I had previously had contact with and were using the information they got through that partnering agreement .
Specifically , they were using it to sell a competitors ' product .
And they honestly seemed to have no idea why I might be a little nervous about doing business with them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the one piece of advice I'd offer.True story:  a company rang me up about a year ago to ask if I'd be interested in buying some imaging software (think Ghost, Acronis etc).I asked where they'd got my name and number from.It turns out they had partnered with a company that produces imaging software that I had previously had contact with and were using the information they got through that partnering agreement.
Specifically, they were using it to sell  a competitors' product .
And they honestly seemed to have no idea why I might be a little nervous about doing business with them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28576691</id>
	<title>Re:Great suggestion</title>
	<author>one-man orchestra</author>
	<datestamp>1246629660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess so, so I suppose I should try contacting again music magazines then? I tried a while ago to little avail, although back then my program seemed much less compelling.

</p><p>This being said I wanted to be told how to find someone to take care of the marketing, not how to market better<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-). I'm sure anyone decent with marketing would pull the aforementioned strings though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess so , so I suppose I should try contacting again music magazines then ?
I tried a while ago to little avail , although back then my program seemed much less compelling .
This being said I wanted to be told how to find someone to take care of the marketing , not how to market better ; - ) .
I 'm sure anyone decent with marketing would pull the aforementioned strings though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess so, so I suppose I should try contacting again music magazines then?
I tried a while ago to little avail, although back then my program seemed much less compelling.
This being said I wanted to be told how to find someone to take care of the marketing, not how to market better ;-).
I'm sure anyone decent with marketing would pull the aforementioned strings though.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28579253</id>
	<title>On M&#195;bius loops...</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1246711740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's like a Moebius loop of good times.</p></div><p>Sometimes you're up, sometimes you're down?</p><p>Or you mean that unlike a normal loop, it's not two-faced?  Then again, it lacks (an) edge...</p><p>Maybe you mean that no matter how fast you run, you always end up where you started.</p><p>I like that metaphor, it's so rich<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's like a Moebius loop of good times.Sometimes you 're up , sometimes you 're down ? Or you mean that unlike a normal loop , it 's not two-faced ?
Then again , it lacks ( an ) edge...Maybe you mean that no matter how fast you run , you always end up where you started.I like that metaphor , it 's so rich ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's like a Moebius loop of good times.Sometimes you're up, sometimes you're down?Or you mean that unlike a normal loop, it's not two-faced?
Then again, it lacks (an) edge...Maybe you mean that no matter how fast you run, you always end up where you started.I like that metaphor, it's so rich ;-)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575959</id>
	<title>There's you prroblem ....</title>
	<author>tomhudson</author>
	<datestamp>1246622820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> After over 6 months on the market, I realized that <b>the program would never just sell itself</b>, and that I need some real marketing done for it.</p></div>
</blockquote><ol>
<li>
Write a program that <b>will</b> "just sell itself" and you'll be set<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... at least until the program becomes self-aware and realizes it doesn't need YOU!</li>
<li>
Or viral marketing.  Just look at all the malware that tell people that their PCs need to buy anti-virus software<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... now <b>that's viral marketing</b>.</li>
<li>
Or figure some pr0n angle. Everyone knows the Internet is for pr0n. You can call it the "FapMaster 3000" or something<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Get Billy Mays to<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... on second thought<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</li>
<li>
Call it the "Jacksonator"<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... people are buying anything that mentions Jocko nowadays - a plain white box will do for shipping, and when people call for refunds, say "Just Beat It!"</li>
</ol></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>After over 6 months on the market , I realized that the program would never just sell itself , and that I need some real marketing done for it .
Write a program that will " just sell itself " and you 'll be set ... at least until the program becomes self-aware and realizes it does n't need YOU !
Or viral marketing .
Just look at all the malware that tell people that their PCs need to buy anti-virus software ... now that 's viral marketing .
Or figure some pr0n angle .
Everyone knows the Internet is for pr0n .
You can call it the " FapMaster 3000 " or something ... Get Billy Mays to ... on second thought .. . Call it the " Jacksonator " ... people are buying anything that mentions Jocko nowadays - a plain white box will do for shipping , and when people call for refunds , say " Just Beat It !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext> After over 6 months on the market, I realized that the program would never just sell itself, and that I need some real marketing done for it.
Write a program that will "just sell itself" and you'll be set ... at least until the program becomes self-aware and realizes it doesn't need YOU!
Or viral marketing.
Just look at all the malware that tell people that their PCs need to buy anti-virus software ... now that's viral marketing.
Or figure some pr0n angle.
Everyone knows the Internet is for pr0n.
You can call it the "FapMaster 3000" or something ... Get Billy Mays to ... on second thought ...

Call it the "Jacksonator" ... people are buying anything that mentions Jocko nowadays - a plain white box will do for shipping, and when people call for refunds, say "Just Beat It!
"

	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28576549</id>
	<title>Re:Is this the product?</title>
	<author>Admiralbumblebee</author>
	<datestamp>1246628100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Too bad. I'm in the market for a spectrogram editor.

This is your first mistake.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Too bad .
I 'm in the market for a spectrogram editor .
This is your first mistake .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Too bad.
I'm in the market for a spectrogram editor.
This is your first mistake.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575515</id>
	<title>Just quickly checked out ur software</title>
	<author>TropicalCoder</author>
	<datestamp>1246618800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It crashed when I tried to load an mp3. Of course, too late I read that one needs to download a DLL for that, but it shouldn't just crash. Anyhow - very interesting concept. Unfortunately, couldn't try the main point, which is to, I believe, spray paint some frequencies, because it kept wanting to reload/reprocess and I couldn't wait any longer at the moment.</p><p>I have been working towards something vaguely like this but so far it is more of a <a href="http://www.tropicalcoder.com/Autocord.htm" title="tropicalcoder.com">toy</a> [tropicalcoder.com] in comparison to what you have done, though I believe it has useful functionality in its own right. Maybe we could colaborate. I don't have useful idea on marketing but I am sure others will supply that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It crashed when I tried to load an mp3 .
Of course , too late I read that one needs to download a DLL for that , but it should n't just crash .
Anyhow - very interesting concept .
Unfortunately , could n't try the main point , which is to , I believe , spray paint some frequencies , because it kept wanting to reload/reprocess and I could n't wait any longer at the moment.I have been working towards something vaguely like this but so far it is more of a toy [ tropicalcoder.com ] in comparison to what you have done , though I believe it has useful functionality in its own right .
Maybe we could colaborate .
I do n't have useful idea on marketing but I am sure others will supply that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It crashed when I tried to load an mp3.
Of course, too late I read that one needs to download a DLL for that, but it shouldn't just crash.
Anyhow - very interesting concept.
Unfortunately, couldn't try the main point, which is to, I believe, spray paint some frequencies, because it kept wanting to reload/reprocess and I couldn't wait any longer at the moment.I have been working towards something vaguely like this but so far it is more of a toy [tropicalcoder.com] in comparison to what you have done, though I believe it has useful functionality in its own right.
Maybe we could colaborate.
I don't have useful idea on marketing but I am sure others will supply that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28578541</id>
	<title>Re:Editing Spectrograms??</title>
	<author>BillX</author>
	<datestamp>1246740720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would anyone want to edit audio? Sound editors' only purpose is to construct fake interviews from pre-recorded speeches, not for noise removal, creating virtual instruments/samples or any kind of legitimate artistic purpose.</p><p>Maybe it's for the same people who use ordinary time-domain sound editors (Audacity, etc.) but find it more intuitive to work in the frequency domain. Want to boost treble in specific spots? Select the lighten brush and paint in the top of the spectrogram. Like Photoshop for sound.</p><p>Or, maybe for customers who want to do something like NIN did in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year\_Zero\_(album)#Promotion" title="wikipedia.org">Year Zero</a> [wikipedia.org], create noise samples that literally show up as an image in common spectrographs (often displayed by visualization plugins for common audio player software).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would anyone want to edit audio ?
Sound editors ' only purpose is to construct fake interviews from pre-recorded speeches , not for noise removal , creating virtual instruments/samples or any kind of legitimate artistic purpose.Maybe it 's for the same people who use ordinary time-domain sound editors ( Audacity , etc .
) but find it more intuitive to work in the frequency domain .
Want to boost treble in specific spots ?
Select the lighten brush and paint in the top of the spectrogram .
Like Photoshop for sound.Or , maybe for customers who want to do something like NIN did in Year Zero [ wikipedia.org ] , create noise samples that literally show up as an image in common spectrographs ( often displayed by visualization plugins for common audio player software ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would anyone want to edit audio?
Sound editors' only purpose is to construct fake interviews from pre-recorded speeches, not for noise removal, creating virtual instruments/samples or any kind of legitimate artistic purpose.Maybe it's for the same people who use ordinary time-domain sound editors (Audacity, etc.
) but find it more intuitive to work in the frequency domain.
Want to boost treble in specific spots?
Select the lighten brush and paint in the top of the spectrogram.
Like Photoshop for sound.Or, maybe for customers who want to do something like NIN did in Year Zero [wikipedia.org], create noise samples that literally show up as an image in common spectrographs (often displayed by visualization plugins for common audio player software).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575529</id>
	<title>Open Source it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246618920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess that you should probably write a few more bugs into the program, then open source it and make your money on support. That seems to be the way<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. thinks things should work, right? Software source should be open and free. You must be 'teh evil' if you want to get paid for it. Heck, you probably just interested a bunch of copyright violators in your program! There's probably a cracked version on warez sites already.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess that you should probably write a few more bugs into the program , then open source it and make your money on support .
That seems to be the way / .
thinks things should work , right ?
Software source should be open and free .
You must be 'teh evil ' if you want to get paid for it .
Heck , you probably just interested a bunch of copyright violators in your program !
There 's probably a cracked version on warez sites already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess that you should probably write a few more bugs into the program, then open source it and make your money on support.
That seems to be the way /.
thinks things should work, right?
Software source should be open and free.
You must be 'teh evil' if you want to get paid for it.
Heck, you probably just interested a bunch of copyright violators in your program!
There's probably a cracked version on warez sites already.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575349</id>
	<title>This is really a niche marketing problem...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246617420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Program" and "commercial audio program" are two different beasts. Have you sent press releases/info to the bigger music software news sites? (KVRAudio, harmony central, etc). Or to technical forums? (Gearslutz, ProSoundWeb, etc). It's not like you're selling an anti-virus package or an MMO, this is kind of a specialized market...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Program " and " commercial audio program " are two different beasts .
Have you sent press releases/info to the bigger music software news sites ?
( KVRAudio , harmony central , etc ) .
Or to technical forums ?
( Gearslutz , ProSoundWeb , etc ) .
It 's not like you 're selling an anti-virus package or an MMO , this is kind of a specialized market.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Program" and "commercial audio program" are two different beasts.
Have you sent press releases/info to the bigger music software news sites?
(KVRAudio, harmony central, etc).
Or to technical forums?
(Gearslutz, ProSoundWeb, etc).
It's not like you're selling an anti-virus package or an MMO, this is kind of a specialized market...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575587</id>
	<title>Re:Protect Your Intellectual Rights Before You Sel</title>
	<author>Darkness404</author>
	<datestamp>1246619280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>You fail to see though that unless he offers a demo version, people will want to pirate it to try it. I know I'm not going to pay $30 or more for software from A) an unknown company B) Haven't tried it and C) Might not play nicely with my hardware/drivers. Plus this isn't going to give him very good reviews. A contract you have to sign by hand? No thanks, I'm not going to buy that even if it was best software ever written.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You fail to see though that unless he offers a demo version , people will want to pirate it to try it .
I know I 'm not going to pay $ 30 or more for software from A ) an unknown company B ) Have n't tried it and C ) Might not play nicely with my hardware/drivers .
Plus this is n't going to give him very good reviews .
A contract you have to sign by hand ?
No thanks , I 'm not going to buy that even if it was best software ever written .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You fail to see though that unless he offers a demo version, people will want to pirate it to try it.
I know I'm not going to pay $30 or more for software from A) an unknown company B) Haven't tried it and C) Might not play nicely with my hardware/drivers.
Plus this isn't going to give him very good reviews.
A contract you have to sign by hand?
No thanks, I'm not going to buy that even if it was best software ever written.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28577425</id>
	<title>Three things</title>
	<author>noric</author>
	<datestamp>1246638660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Get your existing customers to bring in new ones by focusing on your <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net\_Promoter" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Net Promoter Score</a> [wikipedia.org]. This is the \% of customers that, when asked "would you refer this to a friend or colleague?", rate you 9 or 10, minus the \% that rate you 6 or less. There's a lot of data showing that this metric correlates with growth.<br> <br>

Work on your Search Engine Optimization, i.e. appearing on the first page/first few hits, and buy key adwords.<br> <br>

Lastly, if you believe your app would be valuable to enterprise customers, hire an offshore concierge at $3/hour to do research on potential buyers. They work damn hard for their $3/hr.<br> <br>

But most of all, <b>focus on your Net Promoter Score</b>. You're literally investing in viral marketing probability. Traditionally marketing cannot fight the exponential growth of referrals.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Get your existing customers to bring in new ones by focusing on your Net Promoter Score [ wikipedia.org ] .
This is the \ % of customers that , when asked " would you refer this to a friend or colleague ?
" , rate you 9 or 10 , minus the \ % that rate you 6 or less .
There 's a lot of data showing that this metric correlates with growth .
Work on your Search Engine Optimization , i.e .
appearing on the first page/first few hits , and buy key adwords .
Lastly , if you believe your app would be valuable to enterprise customers , hire an offshore concierge at $ 3/hour to do research on potential buyers .
They work damn hard for their $ 3/hr .
But most of all , focus on your Net Promoter Score .
You 're literally investing in viral marketing probability .
Traditionally marketing can not fight the exponential growth of referrals .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get your existing customers to bring in new ones by focusing on your Net Promoter Score [wikipedia.org].
This is the \% of customers that, when asked "would you refer this to a friend or colleague?
", rate you 9 or 10, minus the \% that rate you 6 or less.
There's a lot of data showing that this metric correlates with growth.
Work on your Search Engine Optimization, i.e.
appearing on the first page/first few hits, and buy key adwords.
Lastly, if you believe your app would be valuable to enterprise customers, hire an offshore concierge at $3/hour to do research on potential buyers.
They work damn hard for their $3/hr.
But most of all, focus on your Net Promoter Score.
You're literally investing in viral marketing probability.
Traditionally marketing cannot fight the exponential growth of referrals.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28577885</id>
	<title>Kagi</title>
	<author>oheso</author>
	<datestamp>1246644540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.kagi.com/sell.php" title="kagi.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.kagi.com/sell.php</a> [kagi.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.kagi.com/sell.php [ kagi.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.kagi.com/sell.php [kagi.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28577207</id>
	<title>Beware, sharks ahead...</title>
	<author>VendettaMF</author>
	<datestamp>1246636380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do keep in mind that marketing is in general an honorless and greedy profession. The odds are that the people you will have to work with will be quite happy to destroy you if they see an opportunity to take your product for themselves.</p><p>They will wait until after you have paid them to market it first, but act before the marketing has actually begun, of course.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do keep in mind that marketing is in general an honorless and greedy profession .
The odds are that the people you will have to work with will be quite happy to destroy you if they see an opportunity to take your product for themselves.They will wait until after you have paid them to market it first , but act before the marketing has actually begun , of course .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do keep in mind that marketing is in general an honorless and greedy profession.
The odds are that the people you will have to work with will be quite happy to destroy you if they see an opportunity to take your product for themselves.They will wait until after you have paid them to market it first, but act before the marketing has actually begun, of course.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28576289</id>
	<title>Virtual Assistant?</title>
	<author>oDDmON oUT</author>
	<datestamp>1246625880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These are niche players, specializing in helping small businesses and solo entrepreneurs with everything from data entry to (drum roll please) marketing.</p><p>Depending on where you live, you might find someone local, you may find one across the continent.  Research them first, gather client feedback if possible, and hopefully you'll come up smelling like roses.</p><p>Here are some I found on Google:</p><p><a href="http://www.davisvirtualassistance.com/" title="davisvirtu...stance.com">http://www.davisvirtualassistance.com/</a> [davisvirtu...stance.com]<br><a href="http://www.paulahill.com/about/" title="paulahill.com">http://www.paulahill.com/about/</a> [paulahill.com]<br><a href="http://www.trinityjacobs.com/virtual-assistant-marketing-services.html" title="trinityjacobs.com">http://www.trinityjacobs.com/virtual-assistant-marketing-services.html</a> [trinityjacobs.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These are niche players , specializing in helping small businesses and solo entrepreneurs with everything from data entry to ( drum roll please ) marketing.Depending on where you live , you might find someone local , you may find one across the continent .
Research them first , gather client feedback if possible , and hopefully you 'll come up smelling like roses.Here are some I found on Google : http : //www.davisvirtualassistance.com/ [ davisvirtu...stance.com ] http : //www.paulahill.com/about/ [ paulahill.com ] http : //www.trinityjacobs.com/virtual-assistant-marketing-services.html [ trinityjacobs.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These are niche players, specializing in helping small businesses and solo entrepreneurs with everything from data entry to (drum roll please) marketing.Depending on where you live, you might find someone local, you may find one across the continent.
Research them first, gather client feedback if possible, and hopefully you'll come up smelling like roses.Here are some I found on Google:http://www.davisvirtualassistance.com/ [davisvirtu...stance.com]http://www.paulahill.com/about/ [paulahill.com]http://www.trinityjacobs.com/virtual-assistant-marketing-services.html [trinityjacobs.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28580227</id>
	<title>Re:Is this the product?</title>
	<author>Hal\_Porter</author>
	<datestamp>1246723500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey dude!</p><p>Buy this one.</p><p><a href="http://photosounder.com/" title="photosounder.com" rel="nofollow">http://photosounder.com/</a> [photosounder.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey dude ! Buy this one.http : //photosounder.com/ [ photosounder.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey dude!Buy this one.http://photosounder.com/ [photosounder.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575911</id>
	<title>Re:Some tips specific to audio apps.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246622280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Listen to your users. If your users like your software, they will talk about your software. Word of mouth goes far. If your software gets feedback from an active community, you will go far. It's like a Moebius loop of good times.</i> </p><p>I pay attention to every blog and forum post that links to my site (using the referral information) and quite often I see my program being proposed as the answer to a question. Unfortunately while it works it currently works on too small a scale to make a real difference. I also regularly get e-mails regarding bugs or feature requests and I try to update my program accordingly as quickly as I can.

</p><p> <i>Windows is all over the place, so I guess list in as many places as you want/can?</i> </p><p>Oh I tried doing exactly that, and when you google the name of my program you see it on a lot of shareware sites and such, unfortunately I don't think that works so well. I'm afraid that these sites (at least for Windows, haven't tried Mac yet as the Mac port was only recently released and still is in beta as a couple of features are lacking) aren't the right target for my program. It's hard to know for sure but I'm not sure any sale ever came out of any of these sites.

</p><p> <i>We have a lot of community driven music competitions</i> </p><p>I just started my first processing challenge, but I felt that starting a challenge and "announcing" (almost spamming) it on any forum I could was probably not the optimal way to do marketing. No IRC channel yet, until now I haven't deemed my following large enough to warrant the creation of a dedicated IRC channel, although I may reconsider it now.

</p><p> <i>we're interested in doing hardware partnerships / have our software included with hardware</i> </p><p>How do you do that? Like, who do you contact? That would interest me.

</p><p> <i>We are also keeping our eye on audio trade shows like NAMM / Musik Messe.</i> </p><p>What does keeping an eye on them consist in exactly?

</p><p> <i>Hope this helps.</i> </p><p>I greatly appreciate your insight, thanks a lot!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Listen to your users .
If your users like your software , they will talk about your software .
Word of mouth goes far .
If your software gets feedback from an active community , you will go far .
It 's like a Moebius loop of good times .
I pay attention to every blog and forum post that links to my site ( using the referral information ) and quite often I see my program being proposed as the answer to a question .
Unfortunately while it works it currently works on too small a scale to make a real difference .
I also regularly get e-mails regarding bugs or feature requests and I try to update my program accordingly as quickly as I can .
Windows is all over the place , so I guess list in as many places as you want/can ?
Oh I tried doing exactly that , and when you google the name of my program you see it on a lot of shareware sites and such , unfortunately I do n't think that works so well .
I 'm afraid that these sites ( at least for Windows , have n't tried Mac yet as the Mac port was only recently released and still is in beta as a couple of features are lacking ) are n't the right target for my program .
It 's hard to know for sure but I 'm not sure any sale ever came out of any of these sites .
We have a lot of community driven music competitions I just started my first processing challenge , but I felt that starting a challenge and " announcing " ( almost spamming ) it on any forum I could was probably not the optimal way to do marketing .
No IRC channel yet , until now I have n't deemed my following large enough to warrant the creation of a dedicated IRC channel , although I may reconsider it now .
we 're interested in doing hardware partnerships / have our software included with hardware How do you do that ?
Like , who do you contact ?
That would interest me .
We are also keeping our eye on audio trade shows like NAMM / Musik Messe .
What does keeping an eye on them consist in exactly ?
Hope this helps .
I greatly appreciate your insight , thanks a lot !</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Listen to your users.
If your users like your software, they will talk about your software.
Word of mouth goes far.
If your software gets feedback from an active community, you will go far.
It's like a Moebius loop of good times.
I pay attention to every blog and forum post that links to my site (using the referral information) and quite often I see my program being proposed as the answer to a question.
Unfortunately while it works it currently works on too small a scale to make a real difference.
I also regularly get e-mails regarding bugs or feature requests and I try to update my program accordingly as quickly as I can.
Windows is all over the place, so I guess list in as many places as you want/can?
Oh I tried doing exactly that, and when you google the name of my program you see it on a lot of shareware sites and such, unfortunately I don't think that works so well.
I'm afraid that these sites (at least for Windows, haven't tried Mac yet as the Mac port was only recently released and still is in beta as a couple of features are lacking) aren't the right target for my program.
It's hard to know for sure but I'm not sure any sale ever came out of any of these sites.
We have a lot of community driven music competitions I just started my first processing challenge, but I felt that starting a challenge and "announcing" (almost spamming) it on any forum I could was probably not the optimal way to do marketing.
No IRC channel yet, until now I haven't deemed my following large enough to warrant the creation of a dedicated IRC channel, although I may reconsider it now.
we're interested in doing hardware partnerships / have our software included with hardware How do you do that?
Like, who do you contact?
That would interest me.
We are also keeping our eye on audio trade shows like NAMM / Musik Messe.
What does keeping an eye on them consist in exactly?
Hope this helps.
I greatly appreciate your insight, thanks a lot!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575781</id>
	<title>Get personal</title>
	<author>S-100</author>
	<datestamp>1246620960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Highly specialized applications such as yours are rarely marketed successfully by outsiders.  Some strategic keyword buys might boost your web traffic, but unless your site is set up to sell, you won't convert enough sales to make the effort worthwhile.  So first you should have a professional-quality e-commerce site set up for your product.  If you can't do that yourself, it's something that you need to pay for.<br> <br>After that, you can drive traffic to your site with keyword buys, maybe small ads in journals.  Send press releases to any of the journals or magazines that apply to your application.<br> <br>But I think that you'll find that the most effective thing will be for you to establish a personal presence on the Internet, and to link that presence to your product's web site.  Are there USENET newsgroups or web-hosted forums for people that could use your program?  Don't just spam the forums, but participate genuinely in the discussions.  Of course, your sig must have a link to your web site (the name of which should minimally define the product).  Share your personal expertise in the specialized field your software addresses, and it will reflect positively on the product.  You could also set up your own forum, but without a means to attract users it would probably languish.<br> <br>Finally, look to conferences and conventions applicable to your product. Many (but not all) of those conferences are quite willing to let you give a seminar or poster session for an application using your product.  Purely academic conferences usually don't allow this type of semi-commercialism, but many others do.  The good part about giving a talk, seminar or workshop is that you usually get into the conference free as a VIP, and you don't have the expense of purchasing or manning a booth.  Running a booth at NAMM, AES or other major shows is not feasible unless you already have substantial sales.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Highly specialized applications such as yours are rarely marketed successfully by outsiders .
Some strategic keyword buys might boost your web traffic , but unless your site is set up to sell , you wo n't convert enough sales to make the effort worthwhile .
So first you should have a professional-quality e-commerce site set up for your product .
If you ca n't do that yourself , it 's something that you need to pay for .
After that , you can drive traffic to your site with keyword buys , maybe small ads in journals .
Send press releases to any of the journals or magazines that apply to your application .
But I think that you 'll find that the most effective thing will be for you to establish a personal presence on the Internet , and to link that presence to your product 's web site .
Are there USENET newsgroups or web-hosted forums for people that could use your program ?
Do n't just spam the forums , but participate genuinely in the discussions .
Of course , your sig must have a link to your web site ( the name of which should minimally define the product ) .
Share your personal expertise in the specialized field your software addresses , and it will reflect positively on the product .
You could also set up your own forum , but without a means to attract users it would probably languish .
Finally , look to conferences and conventions applicable to your product .
Many ( but not all ) of those conferences are quite willing to let you give a seminar or poster session for an application using your product .
Purely academic conferences usually do n't allow this type of semi-commercialism , but many others do .
The good part about giving a talk , seminar or workshop is that you usually get into the conference free as a VIP , and you do n't have the expense of purchasing or manning a booth .
Running a booth at NAMM , AES or other major shows is not feasible unless you already have substantial sales .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Highly specialized applications such as yours are rarely marketed successfully by outsiders.
Some strategic keyword buys might boost your web traffic, but unless your site is set up to sell, you won't convert enough sales to make the effort worthwhile.
So first you should have a professional-quality e-commerce site set up for your product.
If you can't do that yourself, it's something that you need to pay for.
After that, you can drive traffic to your site with keyword buys, maybe small ads in journals.
Send press releases to any of the journals or magazines that apply to your application.
But I think that you'll find that the most effective thing will be for you to establish a personal presence on the Internet, and to link that presence to your product's web site.
Are there USENET newsgroups or web-hosted forums for people that could use your program?
Don't just spam the forums, but participate genuinely in the discussions.
Of course, your sig must have a link to your web site (the name of which should minimally define the product).
Share your personal expertise in the specialized field your software addresses, and it will reflect positively on the product.
You could also set up your own forum, but without a means to attract users it would probably languish.
Finally, look to conferences and conventions applicable to your product.
Many (but not all) of those conferences are quite willing to let you give a seminar or poster session for an application using your product.
Purely academic conferences usually don't allow this type of semi-commercialism, but many others do.
The good part about giving a talk, seminar or workshop is that you usually get into the conference free as a VIP, and you don't have the expense of purchasing or manning a booth.
Running a booth at NAMM, AES or other major shows is not feasible unless you already have substantial sales.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575355</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246617420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Joel Spolsky's The Business of Software discussion group has tons of relevant info.  I suggest looking and/or re-posting the question there.</p><p>http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/?biz</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Joel Spolsky 's The Business of Software discussion group has tons of relevant info .
I suggest looking and/or re-posting the question there.http : //discuss.joelonsoftware.com/ ? biz</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Joel Spolsky's The Business of Software discussion group has tons of relevant info.
I suggest looking and/or re-posting the question there.http://discuss.joelonsoftware.com/?biz</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_03_1822249.28575391</id>
	<title>Is this the product?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246617780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I really appreciate the non-slashvertisement nature of this article. But curiosity got the better of me and I was wondering if <a href="http://photosounder.com/blog/" title="photosounder.com">this</a> [photosounder.com] might be the product (originally something I read about <a href="http://godsofwar.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/stripping-separate-instruments-from-audio-with-photoshop/" title="wordpress.com">here</a> [wordpress.com])? If so, and you ever get terribly bored, how about a gimp tutorial? Like the snares and kick.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I really appreciate the non-slashvertisement nature of this article .
But curiosity got the better of me and I was wondering if this [ photosounder.com ] might be the product ( originally something I read about here [ wordpress.com ] ) ?
If so , and you ever get terribly bored , how about a gimp tutorial ?
Like the snares and kick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I really appreciate the non-slashvertisement nature of this article.
But curiosity got the better of me and I was wondering if this [photosounder.com] might be the product (originally something I read about here [wordpress.com])?
If so, and you ever get terribly bored, how about a gimp tutorial?
Like the snares and kick.</sentencetext>
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