<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_02_199252</id>
	<title>200-Year-Old Cipher Finally Cracked</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1246563960000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Attila Dimedici writes <i>"A code expert just cracked a code used by a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert\_M.\_Patterson">friend of Thomas Jefferson</a> in a <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124648494429082661.html?mod=yhoofront">letter written to Jefferson some 200 years ago</a>. This code is fairly easy to crack using a computer, but extremely difficult without one. I think it would have been much harder if the author had not included an indication as to what code algorithm he used in the letter accompanying the coded message."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Attila Dimedici writes " A code expert just cracked a code used by a friend of Thomas Jefferson in a letter written to Jefferson some 200 years ago .
This code is fairly easy to crack using a computer , but extremely difficult without one .
I think it would have been much harder if the author had not included an indication as to what code algorithm he used in the letter accompanying the coded message .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Attila Dimedici writes "A code expert just cracked a code used by a friend of Thomas Jefferson in a letter written to Jefferson some 200 years ago.
This code is fairly easy to crack using a computer, but extremely difficult without one.
I think it would have been much harder if the author had not included an indication as to what code algorithm he used in the letter accompanying the coded message.
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</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28569851</id>
	<title>Re:Zodiac Killer 360</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246619640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's very likely that the Zodiac was Arthur Leigh Allen, who is long dead.</p><p><a href="http://images.slashdot.org/hc/67/028c0ed231a3.jpg" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">appropriate captcha is appropriate</a> [slashdot.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's very likely that the Zodiac was Arthur Leigh Allen , who is long dead.appropriate captcha is appropriate [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's very likely that the Zodiac was Arthur Leigh Allen, who is long dead.appropriate captcha is appropriate [slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28564901</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28568447</id>
	<title>Re:Wake me when the Voynich is cracked</title>
	<author>Meumeu</author>
	<datestamp>1246557240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The other option is that it Voynich manuscript is nonsense. It could very well be the work of an insane <b>illetrate</b> man (or woman) who wanted to write a book and did.</p></div><p>Now that's ironic...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The other option is that it Voynich manuscript is nonsense .
It could very well be the work of an insane illetrate man ( or woman ) who wanted to write a book and did.Now that 's ironic.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The other option is that it Voynich manuscript is nonsense.
It could very well be the work of an insane illetrate man (or woman) who wanted to write a book and did.Now that's ironic...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28564853</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28566813</id>
	<title>Re:tl;dr</title>
	<author>The Grim Reefer2</author>
	<datestamp>1246542360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We'll figure that out the same day as we find the 44th presidents 8 missing states; 7 of which he visited and had one left to go during the campaign.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We 'll figure that out the same day as we find the 44th presidents 8 missing states ; 7 of which he visited and had one left to go during the campaign .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We'll figure that out the same day as we find the 44th presidents 8 missing states; 7 of which he visited and had one left to go during the campaign.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28564053</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563733</id>
	<title>The article says</title>
	<author>sammykrupa</author>
	<datestamp>1246526640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That the code's creator, Patterson, " estimated that the potential combinations to solve the puzzle was "upwards of ninety millions of millions."</p><p>First of all, I take this to be 90 trillion. But I am wondering if he is correct. Any thoughts?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That the code 's creator , Patterson , " estimated that the potential combinations to solve the puzzle was " upwards of ninety millions of millions .
" First of all , I take this to be 90 trillion .
But I am wondering if he is correct .
Any thoughts ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That the code's creator, Patterson, " estimated that the potential combinations to solve the puzzle was "upwards of ninety millions of millions.
"First of all, I take this to be 90 trillion.
But I am wondering if he is correct.
Any thoughts?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563239</id>
	<title>Text of the encrypted message</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246568220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"12345"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" 12345 "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"12345"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28566367</id>
	<title>Re:Contents of message</title>
	<author>ChrisMaple</author>
	<datestamp>1246539420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The DNA evidence for this claim is inconclusive because it does not eliminate other members of Jefferson's family. In particular, one close relative had a poor reputation, and is a likely candidate for this misbehaviour.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The DNA evidence for this claim is inconclusive because it does not eliminate other members of Jefferson 's family .
In particular , one close relative had a poor reputation , and is a likely candidate for this misbehaviour .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The DNA evidence for this claim is inconclusive because it does not eliminate other members of Jefferson's family.
In particular, one close relative had a poor reputation, and is a likely candidate for this misbehaviour.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563241</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28564359</id>
	<title>Re:Security by obscurity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246529160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ask the nearest sniper or B-2 pilot how well obscurity works.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ask the nearest sniper or B-2 pilot how well obscurity works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ask the nearest sniper or B-2 pilot how well obscurity works.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563305</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563723</id>
	<title>Re:just cracked??</title>
	<author>bitt3n</author>
	<datestamp>1246526580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>A code expert just cracked a code</p></div><p>The article says "After unlocking its hidden message in 2007". This is hardly 'just'. The solution was more recently published though. Interesting article.</p></div><p>he's obviously using the same definition of "just" that I use when I tell my wife I just took out the garbage so get off my back</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A code expert just cracked a codeThe article says " After unlocking its hidden message in 2007 " .
This is hardly 'just' .
The solution was more recently published though .
Interesting article.he 's obviously using the same definition of " just " that I use when I tell my wife I just took out the garbage so get off my back</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A code expert just cracked a codeThe article says "After unlocking its hidden message in 2007".
This is hardly 'just'.
The solution was more recently published though.
Interesting article.he's obviously using the same definition of "just" that I use when I tell my wife I just took out the garbage so get off my back
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563203</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28567751</id>
	<title>And it said....</title>
	<author>DeadboltX</author>
	<datestamp>1246550340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Don't forget to drink your Ovaltine!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't forget to drink your Ovaltine !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't forget to drink your Ovaltine!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28570557</id>
	<title>Re:Biggest letdown ever</title>
	<author>pbhj</author>
	<datestamp>1246628820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps it's hiding a stegonagraphic code - perhaps "pwned!"?</p><p>Or was that: "In Congress, July Fourth, one thousand seven hundred and seventy six. A declaration by the Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled. When in the course of human events..." the entire plaintext? (that would make it a more awesome achievement as it's very short).</p><p>What's the relevance of the excision of "General" from Jefferson's original.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps it 's hiding a stegonagraphic code - perhaps " pwned !
" ? Or was that : " In Congress , July Fourth , one thousand seven hundred and seventy six .
A declaration by the Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled .
When in the course of human events... " the entire plaintext ?
( that would make it a more awesome achievement as it 's very short ) .What 's the relevance of the excision of " General " from Jefferson 's original .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps it's hiding a stegonagraphic code - perhaps "pwned!
"?Or was that: "In Congress, July Fourth, one thousand seven hundred and seventy six.
A declaration by the Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled.
When in the course of human events..." the entire plaintext?
(that would make it a more awesome achievement as it's very short).What's the relevance of the excision of "General" from Jefferson's original.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563615</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28569243</id>
	<title>Re:Voynich is easy. Try and decipher this....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246611600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is that from one of <a href="http://xkcd.com/451/" title="xkcd.com" rel="nofollow">Randall's papers</a> [xkcd.com]?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is that from one of Randall 's papers [ xkcd.com ] ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is that from one of Randall's papers [xkcd.com]?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28567973</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28564853</id>
	<title>Re:Wake me when the Voynich is cracked</title>
	<author>Yvanhoe</author>
	<datestamp>1246531200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The other option is that it Voynich manuscript is nonsense. It could very well be the work of an insane illetrate man (or woman) who wanted to write a book and did.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The other option is that it Voynich manuscript is nonsense .
It could very well be the work of an insane illetrate man ( or woman ) who wanted to write a book and did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The other option is that it Voynich manuscript is nonsense.
It could very well be the work of an insane illetrate man (or woman) who wanted to write a book and did.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563691</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563305</id>
	<title>Security by obscurity</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246525260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I think it would have been much harder if the author had not included an indication as to what code algorithm he used in the letter accompanying the coded message.</p></div><p>So, your suggesting security by obscurity?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it would have been much harder if the author had not included an indication as to what code algorithm he used in the letter accompanying the coded message.So , your suggesting security by obscurity ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it would have been much harder if the author had not included an indication as to what code algorithm he used in the letter accompanying the coded message.So, your suggesting security by obscurity?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28564811</id>
	<title>The message</title>
	<author>twigusa</author>
	<datestamp>1246531080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The message read: Just abolished the slave trade. With any luck, we'll soon have a black president...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The message read : Just abolished the slave trade .
With any luck , we 'll soon have a black president.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The message read: Just abolished the slave trade.
With any luck, we'll soon have a black president...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563777</id>
	<title>An interesting cypher system</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246526820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It wasn't nearly as strong as the author thought, but was still strong enough to resist cryptographers for a long time. That's impressive.</p><p>I wonder, though. There's a certain level of indirectness and jitter in the system used, but not enough to raise the complexity even to the single millions, let alone the millions of millions. Would it be possible to increase the strength of the system and still have it memorizable and usable by any person in the field without book, computer or other aid?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was n't nearly as strong as the author thought , but was still strong enough to resist cryptographers for a long time .
That 's impressive.I wonder , though .
There 's a certain level of indirectness and jitter in the system used , but not enough to raise the complexity even to the single millions , let alone the millions of millions .
Would it be possible to increase the strength of the system and still have it memorizable and usable by any person in the field without book , computer or other aid ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It wasn't nearly as strong as the author thought, but was still strong enough to resist cryptographers for a long time.
That's impressive.I wonder, though.
There's a certain level of indirectness and jitter in the system used, but not enough to raise the complexity even to the single millions, let alone the millions of millions.
Would it be possible to increase the strength of the system and still have it memorizable and usable by any person in the field without book, computer or other aid?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28566019</id>
	<title>Re:Wake me when the Voynich is cracked</title>
	<author>glwtta</author>
	<datestamp>1246537380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Perhaps, but there's no evidence that the Voynich manuscript is a cypher in the traditional sense. A natural language isn't normally "decyphered", since it was never encrypted in the first place.</i>
<br> <br>
Not true. All of the analysis so far suggests that the Voynich is not plaintext (from what I remember the ridiculously low entropy is one of the primary indicators).  People like the whole "phonetic alphabet for [insert your favorite obscure Asian language]" idea because it sounds cool, but there is no evidence for it.
<br> <br>
Not sure I agree that we know vastly more about the people of Minoan Crete than those of 16th century Europe, though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps , but there 's no evidence that the Voynich manuscript is a cypher in the traditional sense .
A natural language is n't normally " decyphered " , since it was never encrypted in the first place .
Not true .
All of the analysis so far suggests that the Voynich is not plaintext ( from what I remember the ridiculously low entropy is one of the primary indicators ) .
People like the whole " phonetic alphabet for [ insert your favorite obscure Asian language ] " idea because it sounds cool , but there is no evidence for it .
Not sure I agree that we know vastly more about the people of Minoan Crete than those of 16th century Europe , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps, but there's no evidence that the Voynich manuscript is a cypher in the traditional sense.
A natural language isn't normally "decyphered", since it was never encrypted in the first place.
Not true.
All of the analysis so far suggests that the Voynich is not plaintext (from what I remember the ridiculously low entropy is one of the primary indicators).
People like the whole "phonetic alphabet for [insert your favorite obscure Asian language]" idea because it sounds cool, but there is no evidence for it.
Not sure I agree that we know vastly more about the people of Minoan Crete than those of 16th century Europe, though.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563691</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563489</id>
	<title>Biggest letdown ever</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246525800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"In Congress, July Fourth, one thousand seven hundred and seventy six. A declaration by the Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled. When in the course of human events..."

Why even bother writing a code to tell someone that?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" In Congress , July Fourth , one thousand seven hundred and seventy six .
A declaration by the Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled .
When in the course of human events... " Why even bother writing a code to tell someone that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"In Congress, July Fourth, one thousand seven hundred and seventy six.
A declaration by the Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled.
When in the course of human events..."

Why even bother writing a code to tell someone that?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563085</id>
	<title>easy to crack using a computer...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246567740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"This code is fairly easy to crack using a computer, but extremely difficult without one."</p><p>no really...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" This code is fairly easy to crack using a computer , but extremely difficult without one .
" no really.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"This code is fairly easy to crack using a computer, but extremely difficult without one.
"no really...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28564859</id>
	<title>Re:tl;dr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246531260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Make the pie higher</p><p>I think we all agree, the past is over.<br>This is still a dangerous world.<br>It's a world of madmen<br>And uncertainty<br>And potential mental losses.</p><p>Rarely is the question asked<br>Is our children learning?<br>Will the highways of the internet<br>Become more few?<br>How many hands have I shaked?</p><p>They misunderestimate me.<br>I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity.<br>I know that the human being and the fish<br>Can coexist.</p><p>Families is where our nation finds hope<br>Where our wings take dream.<br>Put food on your family!<br>Knock down the tollbooth!<br>Vulcanize society!<br>Make the pie higher!<br>Make the pie higher!</p><p>-art major who reads too much slashdot</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Make the pie higherI think we all agree , the past is over.This is still a dangerous world.It 's a world of madmenAnd uncertaintyAnd potential mental losses.Rarely is the question askedIs our children learning ? Will the highways of the internetBecome more few ? How many hands have I shaked ? They misunderestimate me.I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity.I know that the human being and the fishCan coexist.Families is where our nation finds hopeWhere our wings take dream.Put food on your family ! Knock down the tollbooth ! Vulcanize society ! Make the pie higher ! Make the pie higher ! -art major who reads too much slashdot</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make the pie higherI think we all agree, the past is over.This is still a dangerous world.It's a world of madmenAnd uncertaintyAnd potential mental losses.Rarely is the question askedIs our children learning?Will the highways of the internetBecome more few?How many hands have I shaked?They misunderestimate me.I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity.I know that the human being and the fishCan coexist.Families is where our nation finds hopeWhere our wings take dream.Put food on your family!Knock down the tollbooth!Vulcanize society!Make the pie higher!Make the pie higher!-art major who reads too much slashdot</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28564053</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563547</id>
	<title>This is a textbook example of Schneier's Law</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246526040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schneier's\_Law" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schneier's\_Law</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schneier 's \ _Law [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schneier's\_Law [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563715</id>
	<title>Re:Biggest letdown ever</title>
	<author>.deepershade</author>
	<datestamp>1246526580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because he wasn't passing on a secret message, he was merely demonstrating his cipher.
<br>If you'd read the article you'd know that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because he was n't passing on a secret message , he was merely demonstrating his cipher .
If you 'd read the article you 'd know that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because he wasn't passing on a secret message, he was merely demonstrating his cipher.
If you'd read the article you'd know that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563489</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28564053</id>
	<title>Re:tl;dr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246527900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In a strikingly similar incident, the 43rd president, George W Bush, was apparently challenged while in office with an encrypted text by an unknown correspondent. Though the cipher remains unsolved, there are hints that the plaintext, like Jefferson's Declaration of Independence, encapsulates some of the President's profoundest thoughts. Former President Bush hopes that the science of cryptanalysis may one day advance to the point where future generations will be able to read the message. The full text is given below:</p><p>Znxr gur Cvr Uvture</p><p>V guvax jr nyy nterr, gur cnfg vf bire.<br>Guvf vf fgvyy n qnatrebhf jbeyq.<br>Vg'f n jbeyq bs znqzra<br>Naq hapregnvagl<br>Naq cbgragvny zragny ybffrf.</p><p>Eneryl vf gur dhrfgvba nfxrq<br>Vf bhe puvyqera yrneavat?<br>Jvyy gur uvtujnlf bs gur vagrearg<br>Orpbzr zber srj?<br>Ubj znal unaqf unir V funxrq?</p><p>Gurl zvfhaqrerfgvzngr zr.<br>V nz n cvgohyy ba gur cnagyrt bs bccbeghavgl.<br>V xabj gung gur uhzna orvat naq gur svfu<br>Pna pbrkvfg.</p><p>Snzvyvrf vf jurer bhe angvba svaqf ubcr<br>Jurer bhe jvatf gnxr qernz.<br>Chg sbbq ba lbhe snzvyl!<br>Xabpx qbja gur gbyyobbgu!<br>Ihypnavmr fbpvrgl!<br>Znxr gur cvr uvture!<br>Znxr gur cvr uvture!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a strikingly similar incident , the 43rd president , George W Bush , was apparently challenged while in office with an encrypted text by an unknown correspondent .
Though the cipher remains unsolved , there are hints that the plaintext , like Jefferson 's Declaration of Independence , encapsulates some of the President 's profoundest thoughts .
Former President Bush hopes that the science of cryptanalysis may one day advance to the point where future generations will be able to read the message .
The full text is given below : Znxr gur Cvr UvtureV guvax jr nyy nterr , gur cnfg vf bire.Guvf vf fgvyy n qnatrebhf jbeyq.Vg'f n jbeyq bs znqzraNaq hapregnvaglNaq cbgragvny zragny ybffrf.Eneryl vf gur dhrfgvba nfxrqVf bhe puvyqera yrneavat ? Jvyy gur uvtujnlf bs gur vagreargOrpbzr zber srj ? Ubj znal unaqf unir V funxrq ? Gurl zvfhaqrerfgvzngr zr.V nz n cvgohyy ba gur cnagyrt bs bccbeghavgl.V xabj gung gur uhzna orvat naq gur svfuPna pbrkvfg.Snzvyvrf vf jurer bhe angvba svaqf ubcrJurer bhe jvatf gnxr qernz.Chg sbbq ba lbhe snzvyl ! Xabpx qbja gur gbyyobbgu ! Ihypnavmr fbpvrgl ! Znxr gur cvr uvture ! Znxr gur cvr uvture !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a strikingly similar incident, the 43rd president, George W Bush, was apparently challenged while in office with an encrypted text by an unknown correspondent.
Though the cipher remains unsolved, there are hints that the plaintext, like Jefferson's Declaration of Independence, encapsulates some of the President's profoundest thoughts.
Former President Bush hopes that the science of cryptanalysis may one day advance to the point where future generations will be able to read the message.
The full text is given below:Znxr gur Cvr UvtureV guvax jr nyy nterr, gur cnfg vf bire.Guvf vf fgvyy n qnatrebhf jbeyq.Vg'f n jbeyq bs znqzraNaq hapregnvaglNaq cbgragvny zragny ybffrf.Eneryl vf gur dhrfgvba nfxrqVf bhe puvyqera yrneavat?Jvyy gur uvtujnlf bs gur vagreargOrpbzr zber srj?Ubj znal unaqf unir V funxrq?Gurl zvfhaqrerfgvzngr zr.V nz n cvgohyy ba gur cnagyrt bs bccbeghavgl.V xabj gung gur uhzna orvat naq gur svfuPna pbrkvfg.Snzvyvrf vf jurer bhe angvba svaqf ubcrJurer bhe jvatf gnxr qernz.Chg sbbq ba lbhe snzvyl!Xabpx qbja gur gbyyobbgu!Ihypnavmr fbpvrgl!Znxr gur cvr uvture!Znxr gur cvr uvture!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563083</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28566157</id>
	<title>Not a strong cipher.</title>
	<author>jonadab</author>
	<datestamp>1246538220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only reason it's not been solved until now is because no serious cryptanalyst was working on it.  As soon as I read the description of how it's done, I knew it would be highly vulnerable to a known-plaintext attack.  (The guy who cracked it used frequency analysis of letter pairs, because there was no known plaintext available.  But if someone were using the cipher on a regular basis, there would be.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only reason it 's not been solved until now is because no serious cryptanalyst was working on it .
As soon as I read the description of how it 's done , I knew it would be highly vulnerable to a known-plaintext attack .
( The guy who cracked it used frequency analysis of letter pairs , because there was no known plaintext available .
But if someone were using the cipher on a regular basis , there would be .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only reason it's not been solved until now is because no serious cryptanalyst was working on it.
As soon as I read the description of how it's done, I knew it would be highly vulnerable to a known-plaintext attack.
(The guy who cracked it used frequency analysis of letter pairs, because there was no known plaintext available.
But if someone were using the cipher on a regular basis, there would be.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28566891</id>
	<title>Re:Wake me when the Voynich is cracked</title>
	<author>AhtirTano</author>
	<datestamp>1246542900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, natural native languages were not used as unbreakable cyphers. That's a myth. The code-talkers were trained to do this, and devised a code based on their language. (And actually, the program started in WWI and was so successful they revived it for WWII.) The Japanese figured out that Navajo was being used, and searched out Navajo speakers among POWs to translate. But because the code-talkers actually encoded their message during the translation into Navajo, even these POWs were unable to figure out what was going on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , natural native languages were not used as unbreakable cyphers .
That 's a myth .
The code-talkers were trained to do this , and devised a code based on their language .
( And actually , the program started in WWI and was so successful they revived it for WWII .
) The Japanese figured out that Navajo was being used , and searched out Navajo speakers among POWs to translate .
But because the code-talkers actually encoded their message during the translation into Navajo , even these POWs were unable to figure out what was going on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, natural native languages were not used as unbreakable cyphers.
That's a myth.
The code-talkers were trained to do this, and devised a code based on their language.
(And actually, the program started in WWI and was so successful they revived it for WWII.
) The Japanese figured out that Navajo was being used, and searched out Navajo speakers among POWs to translate.
But because the code-talkers actually encoded their message during the translation into Navajo, even these POWs were unable to figure out what was going on.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563691</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563761</id>
	<title>Re:Contents of message</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1246526760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here I was expecting the message to read</p><p>"We apologize for the inconvenience."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here I was expecting the message to read " We apologize for the inconvenience .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here I was expecting the message to read"We apologize for the inconvenience.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563241</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563083</id>
	<title>tl;dr</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246567740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The message says:</p><p>"In Congress, July Fourth, one thousand seven hundred and seventy six. A declaration by the Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled. When in the course of human events..."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The message says : " In Congress , July Fourth , one thousand seven hundred and seventy six .
A declaration by the Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled .
When in the course of human events... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The message says:"In Congress, July Fourth, one thousand seven hundred and seventy six.
A declaration by the Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled.
When in the course of human events..."</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563737</id>
	<title>The trick was finding the decoder ring</title>
	<author>rev\_sanchez</author>
	<datestamp>1246526640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The message was: "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."</htmltext>
<tokenext>The message was : " Be sure to drink your Ovaltine .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The message was: "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28564575</id>
	<title>Like I said yesterday, crypto, do or don't: DON"T</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246530120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's just a waste of effort to use crypto, as this story supports.  It's all one big waste of time, effort, and manpower.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's just a waste of effort to use crypto , as this story supports .
It 's all one big waste of time , effort , and manpower .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's just a waste of effort to use crypto, as this story supports.
It's all one big waste of time, effort, and manpower.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28569343</id>
	<title>What took so long?</title>
	<author>saltydog56</author>
	<datestamp>1246612920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The article said he had this all figured out in 2007 - yet the details of this cypher are just now being published in July 2009.

What took so long - the quest to gain ITAR compliance?</htmltext>
<tokenext>The article said he had this all figured out in 2007 - yet the details of this cypher are just now being published in July 2009 .
What took so long - the quest to gain ITAR compliance ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article said he had this all figured out in 2007 - yet the details of this cypher are just now being published in July 2009.
What took so long - the quest to gain ITAR compliance?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28611533</id>
	<title>Re:Zodiac Killer 360</title>
	<author>juan2074</author>
	<datestamp>1246994700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know if you saw the movie, but the killer was <a href="http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002253/" title="imdb.com" rel="nofollow">Drew Carey's brother</a> [imdb.com].</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know if you saw the movie , but the killer was Drew Carey 's brother [ imdb.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know if you saw the movie, but the killer was Drew Carey's brother [imdb.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28564901</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28564187</id>
	<title>Re:Wake me when the Voynich is cracked</title>
	<author>netsavior</author>
	<datestamp>1246528500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>First of all, The Voynich is only 500 years old(give or take), from a time when books were not uncommon, and was very very likely written in Europe, hardly pre-historic.  This would be a person in Europe, with contemporary writing, art, and binding supplies, writing in a dead language not otherwise documented anywhere else.  Linear A is like FOUR THOUSAND years dead... not really comperable.<br> <br>

That is what makes it so compelling, the fact that it happened, not in a vaccum like the Aboriginal Amazon, not in ancient history like Linear A, not in Stone, or papyrus, or etched on tree bark, but that it happened inside of western society, using "modern methods" (for the day), and it is a language/code that can be verified as not being junk, but that nobody had seen before or since.</htmltext>
<tokenext>First of all , The Voynich is only 500 years old ( give or take ) , from a time when books were not uncommon , and was very very likely written in Europe , hardly pre-historic .
This would be a person in Europe , with contemporary writing , art , and binding supplies , writing in a dead language not otherwise documented anywhere else .
Linear A is like FOUR THOUSAND years dead... not really comperable .
That is what makes it so compelling , the fact that it happened , not in a vaccum like the Aboriginal Amazon , not in ancient history like Linear A , not in Stone , or papyrus , or etched on tree bark , but that it happened inside of western society , using " modern methods " ( for the day ) , and it is a language/code that can be verified as not being junk , but that nobody had seen before or since .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First of all, The Voynich is only 500 years old(give or take), from a time when books were not uncommon, and was very very likely written in Europe, hardly pre-historic.
This would be a person in Europe, with contemporary writing, art, and binding supplies, writing in a dead language not otherwise documented anywhere else.
Linear A is like FOUR THOUSAND years dead... not really comperable.
That is what makes it so compelling, the fact that it happened, not in a vaccum like the Aboriginal Amazon, not in ancient history like Linear A, not in Stone, or papyrus, or etched on tree bark, but that it happened inside of western society, using "modern methods" (for the day), and it is a language/code that can be verified as not being junk, but that nobody had seen before or since.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563691</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28569497</id>
	<title>Re:Wake me when the Voynich is cracked</title>
	<author>VShael</author>
	<datestamp>1246615380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"it's entirely possible that this is a script invented for such a language."</p><p>Possible, but highly unlikely.</p><p>One of the cool things about the manuscript is not just the script that the text is written in. It's the fact that the diagrams show both plants, and constellations, which are not known on earth.</p><p>It could be a religious text (with someone describing what their idea of the next world is like) or it could be an elaborate fiction, like some proto D&amp;D manual. Or it could just be a hoax of some sort. But it's unlikely to be just a invented script for an otherwise unscripted language.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" it 's entirely possible that this is a script invented for such a language .
" Possible , but highly unlikely.One of the cool things about the manuscript is not just the script that the text is written in .
It 's the fact that the diagrams show both plants , and constellations , which are not known on earth.It could be a religious text ( with someone describing what their idea of the next world is like ) or it could be an elaborate fiction , like some proto D&amp;D manual .
Or it could just be a hoax of some sort .
But it 's unlikely to be just a invented script for an otherwise unscripted language .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"it's entirely possible that this is a script invented for such a language.
"Possible, but highly unlikely.One of the cool things about the manuscript is not just the script that the text is written in.
It's the fact that the diagrams show both plants, and constellations, which are not known on earth.It could be a religious text (with someone describing what their idea of the next world is like) or it could be an elaborate fiction, like some proto D&amp;D manual.
Or it could just be a hoax of some sort.
But it's unlikely to be just a invented script for an otherwise unscripted language.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563691</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28564459</id>
	<title>Fine, but...</title>
	<author>93 Escort Wagon</author>
	<datestamp>1246529580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... it's not going to do much good for President Jefferson at this point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... it 's not going to do much good for President Jefferson at this point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... it's not going to do much good for President Jefferson at this point.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28566993</id>
	<title>Jefferson's ghost appeared</title>
	<author>PPH</author>
	<datestamp>1246543680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...muttering something about the DMCA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...muttering something about the DMCA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...muttering something about the DMCA.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28579105</id>
	<title>Old News</title>
	<author>RockDoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1246708620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This story was published in (IIRC) American Scientist a month or two ago. Yep, here we go : <a href="http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/feature/2009/2/a-cipher-to-thomas-jefferson" title="americanscientist.org">A Cipher to Thomas Jefferson</a> [americanscientist.org].</p><p>Loath though I am to send money to America, I do find myself strongly tempted to subscribing to that magazine. Seriously good brain-fodder.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This story was published in ( IIRC ) American Scientist a month or two ago .
Yep , here we go : A Cipher to Thomas Jefferson [ americanscientist.org ] .Loath though I am to send money to America , I do find myself strongly tempted to subscribing to that magazine .
Seriously good brain-fodder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This story was published in (IIRC) American Scientist a month or two ago.
Yep, here we go : A Cipher to Thomas Jefferson [americanscientist.org].Loath though I am to send money to America, I do find myself strongly tempted to subscribing to that magazine.
Seriously good brain-fodder.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28564643</id>
	<title>Could have been done earlier</title>
	<author>houghi</author>
	<datestamp>1246530420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>... but they had to wait for the copyright to expire.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... but they had to wait for the copyright to expire .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... but they had to wait for the copyright to expire.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563597</id>
	<title>And the message said:</title>
	<author>wxjones</author>
	<datestamp>1246526160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All your base are belong to us!</htmltext>
<tokenext>All your base are belong to us !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All your base are belong to us!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563749</id>
	<title>So what did it say?</title>
	<author>zerospeaks</author>
	<datestamp>1246526700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext> "I think this america thing was a bad idea."?</htmltext>
<tokenext>" I think this america thing was a bad idea .
" ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> "I think this america thing was a bad idea.
"?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28564745</id>
	<title>He used a computer</title>
	<author>tkioz</author>
	<datestamp>1246530840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>He used a computer, he cheated. If he really wanted to work out it as a test of skill he should of used only tools people in that time had.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He used a computer , he cheated .
If he really wanted to work out it as a test of skill he should of used only tools people in that time had .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He used a computer, he cheated.
If he really wanted to work out it as a test of skill he should of used only tools people in that time had.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28566177</id>
	<title>Re:Contents of message</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246538340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The message was for Thomas Jefferson, not W. Jefferson Clinton.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The message was for Thomas Jefferson , not W. Jefferson Clinton .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The message was for Thomas Jefferson, not W. Jefferson Clinton.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563241</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28573421</id>
	<title>Re:Wake me when the Voynich is cracked</title>
	<author>KDR\_11k</author>
	<datestamp>1246646640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not necessarily insane, illiterate people sometimes develop their own writing system to keep track of things, these often end up vastly more complex than regular text.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not necessarily insane , illiterate people sometimes develop their own writing system to keep track of things , these often end up vastly more complex than regular text .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not necessarily insane, illiterate people sometimes develop their own writing system to keep track of things, these often end up vastly more complex than regular text.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28564853</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28565873</id>
	<title>Jefferson wrote the Declaration of Independence</title>
	<author>tyrione</author>
	<datestamp>1246536540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>He wrote the entire draft. The only parts that changed were minute portions and the choice of language he used was replaced by less forceful language for fear of being too alienating to the common man. The WSJ cites him as a contributor. The author needs to read Jefferson's letters. It's right in there. I suppose Stephen King or any other author should be called a contributor to their work after an Editor comes in and helps modify it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>He wrote the entire draft .
The only parts that changed were minute portions and the choice of language he used was replaced by less forceful language for fear of being too alienating to the common man .
The WSJ cites him as a contributor .
The author needs to read Jefferson 's letters .
It 's right in there .
I suppose Stephen King or any other author should be called a contributor to their work after an Editor comes in and helps modify it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>He wrote the entire draft.
The only parts that changed were minute portions and the choice of language he used was replaced by less forceful language for fear of being too alienating to the common man.
The WSJ cites him as a contributor.
The author needs to read Jefferson's letters.
It's right in there.
I suppose Stephen King or any other author should be called a contributor to their work after an Editor comes in and helps modify it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563241</id>
	<title>Contents of message</title>
	<author>wjousts</author>
	<datestamp>1246568220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Hey Jefferson, you might want to try keeping it in your pants. I saw that slave girl today and she's starting to show. People will start asking questions."</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Hey Jefferson , you might want to try keeping it in your pants .
I saw that slave girl today and she 's starting to show .
People will start asking questions .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Hey Jefferson, you might want to try keeping it in your pants.
I saw that slave girl today and she's starting to show.
People will start asking questions.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28565465</id>
	<title>Re:Wake me when the Voynich is cracked</title>
	<author>Nefarious Wheel</author>
	<datestamp>1246534260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Perhaps, but there's no evidence that the Voynich manuscript is a cypher in the traditional sense. A natural language isn't normally "decyphered", since it was never encrypted in the first place.</p></div><p>I ran the Voynich text through a strange old Apple ][ assembler program an old friend once wrote.  The results don't make sense to me, either.  It starts:</p><p>"Es Brillig war. Die schlichte toven warten und wimmelten in Waben.  Alle mumsige war die Borgegoven, und die Momeraths ausgraben."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps , but there 's no evidence that the Voynich manuscript is a cypher in the traditional sense .
A natural language is n't normally " decyphered " , since it was never encrypted in the first place.I ran the Voynich text through a strange old Apple ] [ assembler program an old friend once wrote .
The results do n't make sense to me , either .
It starts : " Es Brillig war .
Die schlichte toven warten und wimmelten in Waben .
Alle mumsige war die Borgegoven , und die Momeraths ausgraben .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps, but there's no evidence that the Voynich manuscript is a cypher in the traditional sense.
A natural language isn't normally "decyphered", since it was never encrypted in the first place.I ran the Voynich text through a strange old Apple ][ assembler program an old friend once wrote.
The results don't make sense to me, either.
It starts:"Es Brillig war.
Die schlichte toven warten und wimmelten in Waben.
Alle mumsige war die Borgegoven, und die Momeraths ausgraben.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563343</id>
	<title>Message</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246525380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What was the message after all??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What was the message after all ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What was the message after all?
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563641</id>
	<title>Re:Biggest letdown ever</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246526280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know, I was expecting something profound like "drink more ovaltine please".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know , I was expecting something profound like " drink more ovaltine please " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know, I was expecting something profound like "drink more ovaltine please".</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563489</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563133</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246567920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BALLS</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BALLS</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BALLS</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28566735</id>
	<title>Re:Wake me when the Voynich is cracked</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246541640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;- who's to say that medieval Europeans hadn't done the same thing themselves?</p><div><p>ME.  I love it when people confuse their <i>romantic notions</i> with fact. The printing press pretty much triggered the start of the end of <i>total</i>  illiteracy.  This was the Renaissance, after the medieval.  To suggest that medieval Europeans were skilled writers AND clever enough to develop alternate character sets for symbols they didn't know how to write to begin with is a stretch.</p><div><p>&gt;&gt;&gt;(we know of many extinct languages for which no known writing exists - and hundreds more go extinct yearly)</p><div><p>come on! stop repeating drivel, this is a made up number.  7 -10 a year might be closer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; &gt; - who 's to say that medieval Europeans had n't done the same thing themselves ? ME .
I love it when people confuse their romantic notions with fact .
The printing press pretty much triggered the start of the end of total illiteracy .
This was the Renaissance , after the medieval .
To suggest that medieval Europeans were skilled writers AND clever enough to develop alternate character sets for symbols they did n't know how to write to begin with is a stretch. &gt; &gt; &gt; ( we know of many extinct languages for which no known writing exists - and hundreds more go extinct yearly ) come on !
stop repeating drivel , this is a made up number .
7 -10 a year might be closer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;&gt;- who's to say that medieval Europeans hadn't done the same thing themselves?ME.
I love it when people confuse their romantic notions with fact.
The printing press pretty much triggered the start of the end of total  illiteracy.
This was the Renaissance, after the medieval.
To suggest that medieval Europeans were skilled writers AND clever enough to develop alternate character sets for symbols they didn't know how to write to begin with is a stretch.&gt;&gt;&gt;(we know of many extinct languages for which no known writing exists - and hundreds more go extinct yearly)come on!
stop repeating drivel, this is a made up number.
7 -10 a year might be closer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563691</id>
	<title>Re:Wake me when the Voynich is cracked</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246526460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Perhaps, but there's no evidence that the Voynich manuscript is a cypher in the traditional sense. A natural language isn't normally "decyphered", since it was never encrypted in the first place.</p><p>Given that there are many hundreds of thousands of natural languages today for which there is no written form, it's entirely possible that this is a script invented for such a language. In WW2, natural native American languages were sometimes used in this way as an "unbreakable cypher" - who's to say that medieval Europeans hadn't done the same thing themselves?</p><p>If that is the case, then it isn't particularly compelling (we know of many extinct languages for which no known writing exists - and hundreds more go extinct yearly), and is not so much "difficult" as useless - the text could never be read.</p><p>The wikipedia article doesn't say anything about using techniques to detect writing that is no longer visible, so I must assume no such techniques have been used.</p><p>(It may be possible to establish some of the content of a missing page if the page after had been underneath at the time of writing. Non-destructive techniques for doing this formed a part of the case against the West Midland's serious crime squad in the 90s, where it could be shown pages of confessions had been altered after being signed. However, if no such analysis has taken place, the presence of such data is unknown.)</p><p>Regardless, there are many missing pages. From the articles, the page numbers seem to be relatively new compared to the text, so we don't know how many pages are actually missing, we only know how many went missing since being numbered. This makes understanding the text very difficult and even if the text could be translated, there's no guarantee we could even read it or understand it without those pages.</p><p>We know vastly more about Linear A than we do about the script on the Voynich manuscript, including the archaeology of the people writing Linear A, yet after all this time we've got no further than knowing the number system and a few of the numbers in it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps , but there 's no evidence that the Voynich manuscript is a cypher in the traditional sense .
A natural language is n't normally " decyphered " , since it was never encrypted in the first place.Given that there are many hundreds of thousands of natural languages today for which there is no written form , it 's entirely possible that this is a script invented for such a language .
In WW2 , natural native American languages were sometimes used in this way as an " unbreakable cypher " - who 's to say that medieval Europeans had n't done the same thing themselves ? If that is the case , then it is n't particularly compelling ( we know of many extinct languages for which no known writing exists - and hundreds more go extinct yearly ) , and is not so much " difficult " as useless - the text could never be read.The wikipedia article does n't say anything about using techniques to detect writing that is no longer visible , so I must assume no such techniques have been used .
( It may be possible to establish some of the content of a missing page if the page after had been underneath at the time of writing .
Non-destructive techniques for doing this formed a part of the case against the West Midland 's serious crime squad in the 90s , where it could be shown pages of confessions had been altered after being signed .
However , if no such analysis has taken place , the presence of such data is unknown .
) Regardless , there are many missing pages .
From the articles , the page numbers seem to be relatively new compared to the text , so we do n't know how many pages are actually missing , we only know how many went missing since being numbered .
This makes understanding the text very difficult and even if the text could be translated , there 's no guarantee we could even read it or understand it without those pages.We know vastly more about Linear A than we do about the script on the Voynich manuscript , including the archaeology of the people writing Linear A , yet after all this time we 've got no further than knowing the number system and a few of the numbers in it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps, but there's no evidence that the Voynich manuscript is a cypher in the traditional sense.
A natural language isn't normally "decyphered", since it was never encrypted in the first place.Given that there are many hundreds of thousands of natural languages today for which there is no written form, it's entirely possible that this is a script invented for such a language.
In WW2, natural native American languages were sometimes used in this way as an "unbreakable cypher" - who's to say that medieval Europeans hadn't done the same thing themselves?If that is the case, then it isn't particularly compelling (we know of many extinct languages for which no known writing exists - and hundreds more go extinct yearly), and is not so much "difficult" as useless - the text could never be read.The wikipedia article doesn't say anything about using techniques to detect writing that is no longer visible, so I must assume no such techniques have been used.
(It may be possible to establish some of the content of a missing page if the page after had been underneath at the time of writing.
Non-destructive techniques for doing this formed a part of the case against the West Midland's serious crime squad in the 90s, where it could be shown pages of confessions had been altered after being signed.
However, if no such analysis has taken place, the presence of such data is unknown.
)Regardless, there are many missing pages.
From the articles, the page numbers seem to be relatively new compared to the text, so we don't know how many pages are actually missing, we only know how many went missing since being numbered.
This makes understanding the text very difficult and even if the text could be translated, there's no guarantee we could even read it or understand it without those pages.We know vastly more about Linear A than we do about the script on the Voynich manuscript, including the archaeology of the people writing Linear A, yet after all this time we've got no further than knowing the number system and a few of the numbers in it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28571039</id>
	<title>Poetry in motion (shift... that is)</title>
	<author>BForrester</author>
	<datestamp>1246632180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Make the pie higher</p><p>I think we all agree, the past is over.<br>This is still a dangerous world.<br>It's a world of madmen<br>and uncertainty!<br>and potential mental losses.</p><p>Rarely is the question asked<br>Is our children learning?<br>Will the highways of the internet<br>become more few?<br>How many hands have I shaked?</p><p>They misunderestimate me.<br>I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity.<br>I know that the human being and the fish<br>can coexist.</p><p>Families is where our nation finds hope<br>Where our wings take dream.<br>Put food on your family!<br>Knock down the tollbooth!<br>Vulcanize society!<br>Make the pie higher!<br>Make the pie higher!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Make the pie higherI think we all agree , the past is over.This is still a dangerous world.It 's a world of madmenand uncertainty ! and potential mental losses.Rarely is the question askedIs our children learning ? Will the highways of the internetbecome more few ? How many hands have I shaked ? They misunderestimate me.I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity.I know that the human being and the fishcan coexist.Families is where our nation finds hopeWhere our wings take dream.Put food on your family ! Knock down the tollbooth ! Vulcanize society ! Make the pie higher ! Make the pie higher !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make the pie higherI think we all agree, the past is over.This is still a dangerous world.It's a world of madmenand uncertainty!and potential mental losses.Rarely is the question askedIs our children learning?Will the highways of the internetbecome more few?How many hands have I shaked?They misunderestimate me.I am a pitbull on the pantleg of opportunity.I know that the human being and the fishcan coexist.Families is where our nation finds hopeWhere our wings take dream.Put food on your family!Knock down the tollbooth!Vulcanize society!Make the pie higher!Make the pie higher!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28564901</id>
	<title>Zodiac Killer 360</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246531440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The elusive Zodiac Killer's 360 character cipher was never cracked, either, and it's been decades since he mailed it to newspapers.  That cipher also seems a bit grid-like, with spacing made deliberately in rows.  I wonder if this method would help, at least in part, in cracking it?</p><p>If anything, would be nice to see something come up to ascertain his identity, and if alive, put him behind bars.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The elusive Zodiac Killer 's 360 character cipher was never cracked , either , and it 's been decades since he mailed it to newspapers .
That cipher also seems a bit grid-like , with spacing made deliberately in rows .
I wonder if this method would help , at least in part , in cracking it ? If anything , would be nice to see something come up to ascertain his identity , and if alive , put him behind bars .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The elusive Zodiac Killer's 360 character cipher was never cracked, either, and it's been decades since he mailed it to newspapers.
That cipher also seems a bit grid-like, with spacing made deliberately in rows.
I wonder if this method would help, at least in part, in cracking it?If anything, would be nice to see something come up to ascertain his identity, and if alive, put him behind bars.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28567973</id>
	<title>Voynich is easy. Try and decipher this....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246552320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Society is intrinsically meaningless," says Lacan; however, according to Long[1] , it is not so much society that is intrinsically meaningless, but rather the failure of society. But if rationalism holds, we have to choose between textual postcultural theory and modern appropriation. The premise of postcapitalist materialism suggests that the task of the artist is significant form. However, any number of theories concerning not discourse, but subdiscourse may be found. The primary theme of Hamburger's[2] analysis of Derridaist reading is the role of the participant as observer.</p><p>But the subject is contextualised into a that includes narrativity as a reality. Lyotard suggests the use of postcapitalist materialism to analyse class.</p><p>Therefore, the fatal flaw, and eventually the rubicon, of rationalism prevalent in Rushdie's The Ground Beneath Her Feet is also evident in The Moor's Last Sigh.</p><p>However, the subject is interpolated into a that includes truth as a whole. Lyotard suggests the use of neocultural situationism to read and analyse language.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Society is intrinsically meaningless , " says Lacan ; however , according to Long [ 1 ] , it is not so much society that is intrinsically meaningless , but rather the failure of society .
But if rationalism holds , we have to choose between textual postcultural theory and modern appropriation .
The premise of postcapitalist materialism suggests that the task of the artist is significant form .
However , any number of theories concerning not discourse , but subdiscourse may be found .
The primary theme of Hamburger 's [ 2 ] analysis of Derridaist reading is the role of the participant as observer.But the subject is contextualised into a that includes narrativity as a reality .
Lyotard suggests the use of postcapitalist materialism to analyse class.Therefore , the fatal flaw , and eventually the rubicon , of rationalism prevalent in Rushdie 's The Ground Beneath Her Feet is also evident in The Moor 's Last Sigh.However , the subject is interpolated into a that includes truth as a whole .
Lyotard suggests the use of neocultural situationism to read and analyse language .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Society is intrinsically meaningless," says Lacan; however, according to Long[1] , it is not so much society that is intrinsically meaningless, but rather the failure of society.
But if rationalism holds, we have to choose between textual postcultural theory and modern appropriation.
The premise of postcapitalist materialism suggests that the task of the artist is significant form.
However, any number of theories concerning not discourse, but subdiscourse may be found.
The primary theme of Hamburger's[2] analysis of Derridaist reading is the role of the participant as observer.But the subject is contextualised into a that includes narrativity as a reality.
Lyotard suggests the use of postcapitalist materialism to analyse class.Therefore, the fatal flaw, and eventually the rubicon, of rationalism prevalent in Rushdie's The Ground Beneath Her Feet is also evident in The Moor's Last Sigh.However, the subject is interpolated into a that includes truth as a whole.
Lyotard suggests the use of neocultural situationism to read and analyse language.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563885</id>
	<title>Should Have Known Types of Codes in Use</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246527300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Even if the key to this exact code wasn't known, you'd think that all of the types of codes in use at that time would have been known and only a lack of interest kept this one from being cracked much earlier.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Even if the key to this exact code was n't known , you 'd think that all of the types of codes in use at that time would have been known and only a lack of interest kept this one from being cracked much earlier .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Even if the key to this exact code wasn't known, you'd think that all of the types of codes in use at that time would have been known and only a lack of interest kept this one from being cracked much earlier.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563203</id>
	<title>just cracked??</title>
	<author>macxcool</author>
	<datestamp>1246568100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>A code expert just cracked a code</p></div><p>The article says "After unlocking its hidden message in 2007". This is hardly 'just'. The solution was more recently published though. Interesting article.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>A code expert just cracked a codeThe article says " After unlocking its hidden message in 2007 " .
This is hardly 'just' .
The solution was more recently published though .
Interesting article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A code expert just cracked a codeThe article says "After unlocking its hidden message in 2007".
This is hardly 'just'.
The solution was more recently published though.
Interesting article.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563615</id>
	<title>Re:Biggest letdown ever</title>
	<author>0racle</author>
	<datestamp>1246526220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Most likely for the reason that was presented at the end of the article, it was for a bit of fun. It was meant to be an exercise in cryptography, by enciphering something Jefferson knew, he would know when (if) he deciphered it correctly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Most likely for the reason that was presented at the end of the article , it was for a bit of fun .
It was meant to be an exercise in cryptography , by enciphering something Jefferson knew , he would know when ( if ) he deciphered it correctly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most likely for the reason that was presented at the end of the article, it was for a bit of fun.
It was meant to be an exercise in cryptography, by enciphering something Jefferson knew, he would know when (if) he deciphered it correctly.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28565131</id>
	<title>Re:tl;dr</title>
	<author>mobby\_6kl</author>
	<datestamp>1246532400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Phnglui mglwnafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgahnagl fhtagn!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Phnglui mglwnafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgahnagl fhtagn !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Phnglui mglwnafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgahnagl fhtagn!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28570109</id>
	<title>BagleTechNews</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246623960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>..."Thomas, thou art bereft of milk, I shall venture to thy mall and purchase more"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>... " Thomas , thou art bereft of milk , I shall venture to thy mall and purchase more "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..."Thomas, thou art bereft of milk, I shall venture to thy mall and purchase more"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563089</id>
	<title>Wake me when the Voynich is cracked</title>
	<author>netsavior</author>
	<datestamp>1246567740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>the <a href="http://xkcd.com/593/" title="xkcd.com" rel="nofollow">Voynich</a> [xkcd.com] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich\_manuscript" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">manuscript</a> [wikipedia.org] is a much more compelling and difficult mystery.</htmltext>
<tokenext>the Voynich [ xkcd.com ] manuscript [ wikipedia.org ] is a much more compelling and difficult mystery .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the Voynich [xkcd.com] manuscript [wikipedia.org] is a much more compelling and difficult mystery.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28563637</id>
	<title>Re:tl;dr</title>
	<author>bitt3n</author>
	<datestamp>1246526280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>in compliance with the patriot act, the message has now been redacted to read:<p>In XXX, July XXX, one thousand seven hundred and seventy XXX. A XXX by the XXX of the United XXX of XXX in XXX assembled.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>in compliance with the patriot act , the message has now been redacted to read : In XXX , July XXX , one thousand seven hundred and seventy XXX .
A XXX by the XXX of the United XXX of XXX in XXX assembled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>in compliance with the patriot act, the message has now been redacted to read:In XXX, July XXX, one thousand seven hundred and seventy XXX.
A XXX by the XXX of the United XXX of XXX in XXX assembled.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_199252.28565417</id>
	<title>Re:Wake me when the Voynich is cracked</title>
	<author>jd</author>
	<datestamp>1246534020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>That is entirely possible, except that the frequency of character groupings and word groupings seem to match up with real-world natural languages.</p><p>Of course, we know from J.R.R. Tolkien's work on Elvish that it's possible to create a "natural language" that fits perfectly with known patterns and yet has no existence in the real world outside of its creation.</p><p>This would allow the script to both be nonsense and yet appear coherent to the sort of basic analysis that has been possible. It could even be done by someone who was quite insane. Illiterate would seem less likely, but I suppose is possible - you only need to be able to count and distinguish symbols to understand patterns, you don't need to know what the symbols mean. It would take an ubergeek of an illiterate, though. Mind you, most ubergeeks are insane and (as textspeak, 'leetspeak and lolspeak show) are quite capable of inventing their own languages.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That is entirely possible , except that the frequency of character groupings and word groupings seem to match up with real-world natural languages.Of course , we know from J.R.R .
Tolkien 's work on Elvish that it 's possible to create a " natural language " that fits perfectly with known patterns and yet has no existence in the real world outside of its creation.This would allow the script to both be nonsense and yet appear coherent to the sort of basic analysis that has been possible .
It could even be done by someone who was quite insane .
Illiterate would seem less likely , but I suppose is possible - you only need to be able to count and distinguish symbols to understand patterns , you do n't need to know what the symbols mean .
It would take an ubergeek of an illiterate , though .
Mind you , most ubergeeks are insane and ( as textspeak , 'leetspeak and lolspeak show ) are quite capable of inventing their own languages .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That is entirely possible, except that the frequency of character groupings and word groupings seem to match up with real-world natural languages.Of course, we know from J.R.R.
Tolkien's work on Elvish that it's possible to create a "natural language" that fits perfectly with known patterns and yet has no existence in the real world outside of its creation.This would allow the script to both be nonsense and yet appear coherent to the sort of basic analysis that has been possible.
It could even be done by someone who was quite insane.
Illiterate would seem less likely, but I suppose is possible - you only need to be able to count and distinguish symbols to understand patterns, you don't need to know what the symbols mean.
It would take an ubergeek of an illiterate, though.
Mind you, most ubergeeks are insane and (as textspeak, 'leetspeak and lolspeak show) are quite capable of inventing their own languages.</sentencetext>
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