<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_02_0115230</id>
	<title>TSA Asked to Ensure Safety Of Customer Data After Clear Closing</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1246560180000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.computerworld.com/" rel="nofollow">CWmike</a> writes <i>"The chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security, Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), has given the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) until July 8 to explain how the agency plans to <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&amp;articleId=9135064">ensure the security of private data collected by a recently shuttered company that offered a registered traveler program</a>. In a letter to the TSA's acting assistant secretary, Thompson expressed his concern over the <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&amp;articleId=9134739">abrupt closure of Verified Identity Pass (VIP)</a>, which offered a service called Clear for a $199 annual fee that helped air travelers get through airport security checks faster by vetting their identities and backgrounds in advance. VIP has left open the possibility that the <a href="http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&amp;articleId=9134882">data could end up being acquired or sold to a third-party</a>, but only if it was going to be used for a registered traveler program."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>CWmike writes " The chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security , Bennie Thompson ( D-Miss .
) , has given the Transportation Security Administration ( TSA ) until July 8 to explain how the agency plans to ensure the security of private data collected by a recently shuttered company that offered a registered traveler program .
In a letter to the TSA 's acting assistant secretary , Thompson expressed his concern over the abrupt closure of Verified Identity Pass ( VIP ) , which offered a service called Clear for a $ 199 annual fee that helped air travelers get through airport security checks faster by vetting their identities and backgrounds in advance .
VIP has left open the possibility that the data could end up being acquired or sold to a third-party , but only if it was going to be used for a registered traveler program .
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<sentencetext>CWmike writes "The chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security, Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.
), has given the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) until July 8 to explain how the agency plans to ensure the security of private data collected by a recently shuttered company that offered a registered traveler program.
In a letter to the TSA's acting assistant secretary, Thompson expressed his concern over the abrupt closure of Verified Identity Pass (VIP), which offered a service called Clear for a $199 annual fee that helped air travelers get through airport security checks faster by vetting their identities and backgrounds in advance.
VIP has left open the possibility that the data could end up being acquired or sold to a third-party, but only if it was going to be used for a registered traveler program.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28554609</id>
	<title>Good Idea</title>
	<author>gamanimatron</author>
	<datestamp>1246477980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Then maybe they can ask the nice wolves down the street to look after our hens while we're on that vacation.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Then maybe they can ask the nice wolves down the street to look after our hens while we 're on that vacation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then maybe they can ask the nice wolves down the street to look after our hens while we're on that vacation.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28555667</id>
	<title>Re:Pay for Security w/o as much Hassle?</title>
	<author>mh1997</author>
	<datestamp>1246535220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> The hassle is a part of the security program designed by the TSA to keep Americans safer....</p></div></blockquote><p>

I fly a couple times a week and can assure you that the hassle is not designed to keep you safer. It is for the illusion that "they" are doing "something" and therefore you must be safer. I fly out of 4 different airports on a regular basis and have know when and where lapses are in security.</p><p>My destinations are government facilities or military basis where you have to show ID, armed guards etc. Same thing - it is the illusion of security.</p><p>

To the casual observer or an infrequent flyer, it looks very secure and you can't imagine how to breach security. To the frequent user, you don't need to imagine how to breach security, you can see it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The hassle is a part of the security program designed by the TSA to keep Americans safer... . I fly a couple times a week and can assure you that the hassle is not designed to keep you safer .
It is for the illusion that " they " are doing " something " and therefore you must be safer .
I fly out of 4 different airports on a regular basis and have know when and where lapses are in security.My destinations are government facilities or military basis where you have to show ID , armed guards etc .
Same thing - it is the illusion of security .
To the casual observer or an infrequent flyer , it looks very secure and you ca n't imagine how to breach security .
To the frequent user , you do n't need to imagine how to breach security , you can see it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The hassle is a part of the security program designed by the TSA to keep Americans safer....

I fly a couple times a week and can assure you that the hassle is not designed to keep you safer.
It is for the illusion that "they" are doing "something" and therefore you must be safer.
I fly out of 4 different airports on a regular basis and have know when and where lapses are in security.My destinations are government facilities or military basis where you have to show ID, armed guards etc.
Same thing - it is the illusion of security.
To the casual observer or an infrequent flyer, it looks very secure and you can't imagine how to breach security.
To the frequent user, you don't need to imagine how to breach security, you can see it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28554771</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28558257</id>
	<title>Re:Steaming Pile of Shit</title>
	<author>Registered Coward v2</author>
	<datestamp>1246552200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>$199 x 260,000 customers = $51,740,000.


This company shut down for "financial" reasons. Like they took the money and ran?


I'm not surprised, the TSA and its money grubbing sycophantic associates are a steaming pile of shit.


All this company does is do background checks and issue a plastic card, and they can't do it for 51 million gross?


Typical government contractor type boondoggle (strictly speaking, they were not a contractor).</p></div><p>They also invested in scanners at checkpoints and staff to manage them.  And may of those users didn't pay, but got them for free as a result of an affinity program; Delta, Marriot, et. al. no doubt paid way less for large numbers of memberships.  Plus any active duty military got a free membership as well.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 199 x 260,000 customers = $ 51,740,000 .
This company shut down for " financial " reasons .
Like they took the money and ran ?
I 'm not surprised , the TSA and its money grubbing sycophantic associates are a steaming pile of shit .
All this company does is do background checks and issue a plastic card , and they ca n't do it for 51 million gross ?
Typical government contractor type boondoggle ( strictly speaking , they were not a contractor ) .They also invested in scanners at checkpoints and staff to manage them .
And may of those users did n't pay , but got them for free as a result of an affinity program ; Delta , Marriot , et .
al. no doubt paid way less for large numbers of memberships .
Plus any active duty military got a free membership as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$199 x 260,000 customers = $51,740,000.
This company shut down for "financial" reasons.
Like they took the money and ran?
I'm not surprised, the TSA and its money grubbing sycophantic associates are a steaming pile of shit.
All this company does is do background checks and issue a plastic card, and they can't do it for 51 million gross?
Typical government contractor type boondoggle (strictly speaking, they were not a contractor).They also invested in scanners at checkpoints and staff to manage them.
And may of those users didn't pay, but got them for free as a result of an affinity program; Delta, Marriot, et.
al. no doubt paid way less for large numbers of memberships.
Plus any active duty military got a free membership as well.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28554675</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28556361</id>
	<title>Re:What did their privacy policy say?</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1246542420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>It doesn't matter.  Privacy policies can't violate data protection laws.  You do have data protection laws, right?  Oh.  The USA.  Sorry, never mind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It does n't matter .
Privacy policies ca n't violate data protection laws .
You do have data protection laws , right ?
Oh. The USA .
Sorry , never mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It doesn't matter.
Privacy policies can't violate data protection laws.
You do have data protection laws, right?
Oh.  The USA.
Sorry, never mind.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28554687</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28554789</id>
	<title>Registered Terrorist^wTraveller Program</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246566480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to the Computerworld article:<br><br>"They had your social security information, credit information, where you lived, employment history, fingerprint information," said Clear customer David Maynor, who is chief technical officer with Errata Security in Atlanta. "They should be the only ones who have access to that information."<br><br>and<br><br>"Other providers, who may now be interested in purchasing Clear's assets, include Flo and Preferred Traveler. "<br><br>Given the capability by companies to effectively hide their interested principals through convoluted international structures I wonder how hard it would be for a front-company to buy this info on behalf of criminal organisations, terrorist groups or other nation states.</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the Computerworld article : " They had your social security information , credit information , where you lived , employment history , fingerprint information , " said Clear customer David Maynor , who is chief technical officer with Errata Security in Atlanta .
" They should be the only ones who have access to that information .
" and " Other providers , who may now be interested in purchasing Clear 's assets , include Flo and Preferred Traveler .
" Given the capability by companies to effectively hide their interested principals through convoluted international structures I wonder how hard it would be for a front-company to buy this info on behalf of criminal organisations , terrorist groups or other nation states .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the Computerworld article:"They had your social security information, credit information, where you lived, employment history, fingerprint information," said Clear customer David Maynor, who is chief technical officer with Errata Security in Atlanta.
"They should be the only ones who have access to that information.
"and"Other providers, who may now be interested in purchasing Clear's assets, include Flo and Preferred Traveler.
"Given the capability by companies to effectively hide their interested principals through convoluted international structures I wonder how hard it would be for a front-company to buy this info on behalf of criminal organisations, terrorist groups or other nation states.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28556627</id>
	<title>Re:Pay for Security w/o as much Hassle?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246544220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to the TSA, "less than 500" agents have been terminated for stealing passenger items. (http://www.tsa.gov/blog/2008/10/zero-tolerance.html) I'm guessing that 500 &gt; the number of terrorists caught by the TSA. Thus the TSA is more likely to steal from you than to protect you from anyone.

Anonymous because I don't want to end up on the TSA's no-fly list for criticizing the TSA.</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to the TSA , " less than 500 " agents have been terminated for stealing passenger items .
( http : //www.tsa.gov/blog/2008/10/zero-tolerance.html ) I 'm guessing that 500 &gt; the number of terrorists caught by the TSA .
Thus the TSA is more likely to steal from you than to protect you from anyone .
Anonymous because I do n't want to end up on the TSA 's no-fly list for criticizing the TSA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to the TSA, "less than 500" agents have been terminated for stealing passenger items.
(http://www.tsa.gov/blog/2008/10/zero-tolerance.html) I'm guessing that 500 &gt; the number of terrorists caught by the TSA.
Thus the TSA is more likely to steal from you than to protect you from anyone.
Anonymous because I don't want to end up on the TSA's no-fly list for criticizing the TSA.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28555667</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28558185</id>
	<title>Re:I am more bothered by the fact we need them</title>
	<author>0xdeadbeef</author>
	<datestamp>1246551840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>You get it by profiling.</i></p><p>Damn straight. Every terrorist who has attacked America has been either a Muslim, a Christian, or right-wing kook. The pattern is obvious: conservative religious people are a threat to our very way of life. But when we recognize that threat, their powerful lobby and traitorous friends in the mainstream media kick in and start singing the <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/11/conservative-media-freake\_n\_214227.html" title="huffingtonpost.com">political correctness whine</a> [huffingtonpost.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You get it by profiling.Damn straight .
Every terrorist who has attacked America has been either a Muslim , a Christian , or right-wing kook .
The pattern is obvious : conservative religious people are a threat to our very way of life .
But when we recognize that threat , their powerful lobby and traitorous friends in the mainstream media kick in and start singing the political correctness whine [ huffingtonpost.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You get it by profiling.Damn straight.
Every terrorist who has attacked America has been either a Muslim, a Christian, or right-wing kook.
The pattern is obvious: conservative religious people are a threat to our very way of life.
But when we recognize that threat, their powerful lobby and traitorous friends in the mainstream media kick in and start singing the political correctness whine [huffingtonpost.com].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28555735</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28555735</id>
	<title>I am more bothered by the fact we need them</title>
	<author>Shivetya</author>
	<datestamp>1246536420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and that the TSA cannot do this BY NOW.</p><p>Let alone the whole fact that the TSA is yet another example of government sanctioned Political Connectedness run amok.  My mom finally had a flight; she flies a few times a years; where she didn't get stopped.  What makes her stand out?  Oh, I dunno, but age sixty plus white women with small dogs are apparently a threat to US security.  They don't even seem to notice her bag with needles for her insulin, or the pump attached to her.  Yeah, last time she traveled she didn't have the dog.</p><p>Throw in the stories about how the TSA cannot profile and then how do we expect to have "security".  You get it by profiling.  Sorry, but when the next plane gets 'jacked all that political connectedness will have done what?  Gotten more people killed.</p><p>Besides, the next method will be to shoot one down that is taking off.  That will make 9/11's flight scares look benign.</p><p>So now we need private companies because the efficiency of a union staffed government agency is below par.  What part of DUH don't people understand.  Yet so many here want to turn over their health care to these same goons who can't even get you to your plane on time.  Where is the proper sense of priorities here?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and that the TSA can not do this BY NOW.Let alone the whole fact that the TSA is yet another example of government sanctioned Political Connectedness run amok .
My mom finally had a flight ; she flies a few times a years ; where she did n't get stopped .
What makes her stand out ?
Oh , I dunno , but age sixty plus white women with small dogs are apparently a threat to US security .
They do n't even seem to notice her bag with needles for her insulin , or the pump attached to her .
Yeah , last time she traveled she did n't have the dog.Throw in the stories about how the TSA can not profile and then how do we expect to have " security " .
You get it by profiling .
Sorry , but when the next plane gets 'jacked all that political connectedness will have done what ?
Gotten more people killed.Besides , the next method will be to shoot one down that is taking off .
That will make 9/11 's flight scares look benign.So now we need private companies because the efficiency of a union staffed government agency is below par .
What part of DUH do n't people understand .
Yet so many here want to turn over their health care to these same goons who ca n't even get you to your plane on time .
Where is the proper sense of priorities here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and that the TSA cannot do this BY NOW.Let alone the whole fact that the TSA is yet another example of government sanctioned Political Connectedness run amok.
My mom finally had a flight; she flies a few times a years; where she didn't get stopped.
What makes her stand out?
Oh, I dunno, but age sixty plus white women with small dogs are apparently a threat to US security.
They don't even seem to notice her bag with needles for her insulin, or the pump attached to her.
Yeah, last time she traveled she didn't have the dog.Throw in the stories about how the TSA cannot profile and then how do we expect to have "security".
You get it by profiling.
Sorry, but when the next plane gets 'jacked all that political connectedness will have done what?
Gotten more people killed.Besides, the next method will be to shoot one down that is taking off.
That will make 9/11's flight scares look benign.So now we need private companies because the efficiency of a union staffed government agency is below par.
What part of DUH don't people understand.
Yet so many here want to turn over their health care to these same goons who can't even get you to your plane on time.
Where is the proper sense of priorities here?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28554771</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28559539</id>
	<title>In the name of SAFETY</title>
	<author>bonedog73</author>
	<datestamp>1246557000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As long as we're being told we'll be SAFE, Americans are willing to give up any and all freedoms. "Hand over all your private information and we'll keep you 'safe'."

How are we any different than communist China these days... Our government gives us a few freedoms as long as we keep buying shit and making them rich.

The only thing that matters anymore in this country is the Economy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as we 're being told we 'll be SAFE , Americans are willing to give up any and all freedoms .
" Hand over all your private information and we 'll keep you 'safe' .
" How are we any different than communist China these days... Our government gives us a few freedoms as long as we keep buying shit and making them rich .
The only thing that matters anymore in this country is the Economy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as we're being told we'll be SAFE, Americans are willing to give up any and all freedoms.
"Hand over all your private information and we'll keep you 'safe'.
"

How are we any different than communist China these days... Our government gives us a few freedoms as long as we keep buying shit and making them rich.
The only thing that matters anymore in this country is the Economy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28555987</id>
	<title>d o7l</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246539240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">you8 own 3eer</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>you8 own 3eer [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you8 own 3eer [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28554895</id>
	<title>Re:Good Idea</title>
	<author>Ihlosi</author>
	<datestamp>1246567740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Then maybe they can ask the nice wolves down the street to look after our hens while we're on that vacation.</i> </p><p>They're probably going to outsource that job to their fox buddies and go looking for lucrative sheep-watching contracts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Then maybe they can ask the nice wolves down the street to look after our hens while we 're on that vacation .
They 're probably going to outsource that job to their fox buddies and go looking for lucrative sheep-watching contracts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Then maybe they can ask the nice wolves down the street to look after our hens while we're on that vacation.
They're probably going to outsource that job to their fox buddies and go looking for lucrative sheep-watching contracts.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28554609</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28556419</id>
	<title>Re:Pay for Security w/o as much Hassle?</title>
	<author>TheRaven64</author>
	<datestamp>1246542780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> I fly a couple times a week and can assure you that the hassle is not designed to keep you safer.</p></div><p>Actually, it is.  Various studies have shown that people under stress are likely to panic when they are hassled or surprised, and make mistakes.  If you are about to blow up a plane, you are under a lot of stress and the kind of thing that is slightly irritating for the rest of us is a major psychological problem.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I fly a couple times a week and can assure you that the hassle is not designed to keep you safer.Actually , it is .
Various studies have shown that people under stress are likely to panic when they are hassled or surprised , and make mistakes .
If you are about to blow up a plane , you are under a lot of stress and the kind of thing that is slightly irritating for the rest of us is a major psychological problem .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I fly a couple times a week and can assure you that the hassle is not designed to keep you safer.Actually, it is.
Various studies have shown that people under stress are likely to panic when they are hassled or surprised, and make mistakes.
If you are about to blow up a plane, you are under a lot of stress and the kind of thing that is slightly irritating for the rest of us is a major psychological problem.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28555667</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28554803</id>
	<title>Damn it, Slashdot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246566660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm tired of crap like this. You're supposed to be a tech news site, but instead, you've changed into an anti-government anti-copyright privacy-issue-overblowing agenda-pushing rag. I remember when I could come on here years and years ago and actually be interested in all the stories. Now, after I wade through all the propaganda, there's not enough substance to occupy me for ten minutes.</p><p>This place is ridiculous nowadays, and not worth visiting anymore. At all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm tired of crap like this .
You 're supposed to be a tech news site , but instead , you 've changed into an anti-government anti-copyright privacy-issue-overblowing agenda-pushing rag .
I remember when I could come on here years and years ago and actually be interested in all the stories .
Now , after I wade through all the propaganda , there 's not enough substance to occupy me for ten minutes.This place is ridiculous nowadays , and not worth visiting anymore .
At all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm tired of crap like this.
You're supposed to be a tech news site, but instead, you've changed into an anti-government anti-copyright privacy-issue-overblowing agenda-pushing rag.
I remember when I could come on here years and years ago and actually be interested in all the stories.
Now, after I wade through all the propaganda, there's not enough substance to occupy me for ten minutes.This place is ridiculous nowadays, and not worth visiting anymore.
At all.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28554675</id>
	<title>Steaming Pile of Shit</title>
	<author>Frosty Piss</author>
	<datestamp>1246565100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>$199 x 260,000 customers = $51,740,000.<br> <br>
This company shut down for "financial" reasons. Like they took the money and ran?<br> <br>
I'm not surprised, the TSA and its money grubbing sycophantic associates are a steaming pile of shit.<br> <br>
All this company does is do background checks and issue a plastic card, and they can't do it for 51 million gross?<br> <br>
Typical government contractor type boondoggle (strictly speaking, they were not a contractor).</htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 199 x 260,000 customers = $ 51,740,000 .
This company shut down for " financial " reasons .
Like they took the money and ran ?
I 'm not surprised , the TSA and its money grubbing sycophantic associates are a steaming pile of shit .
All this company does is do background checks and issue a plastic card , and they ca n't do it for 51 million gross ?
Typical government contractor type boondoggle ( strictly speaking , they were not a contractor ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$199 x 260,000 customers = $51,740,000.
This company shut down for "financial" reasons.
Like they took the money and ran?
I'm not surprised, the TSA and its money grubbing sycophantic associates are a steaming pile of shit.
All this company does is do background checks and issue a plastic card, and they can't do it for 51 million gross?
Typical government contractor type boondoggle (strictly speaking, they were not a contractor).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28556993</id>
	<title>Re:Pay for Security w/o as much Hassle?</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1246546260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The USAF used to be pretty good a security (but I'm talking early '70s here). Once when I was on light duty because of an injury, they loaned me to the SPs (USAF equivalent to MPs) to test flightline security. They held my security badge and had me try to get in the cockpit of a C5-A holding a cardboard box. It was actually skewed in my favor, because my job was normally on the flightline hauling AGE equipment.</p><p>I did actually get in once, I think somebody got in trouble over that. After the test the flightline people were a lot more observant.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The USAF used to be pretty good a security ( but I 'm talking early '70s here ) .
Once when I was on light duty because of an injury , they loaned me to the SPs ( USAF equivalent to MPs ) to test flightline security .
They held my security badge and had me try to get in the cockpit of a C5-A holding a cardboard box .
It was actually skewed in my favor , because my job was normally on the flightline hauling AGE equipment.I did actually get in once , I think somebody got in trouble over that .
After the test the flightline people were a lot more observant .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The USAF used to be pretty good a security (but I'm talking early '70s here).
Once when I was on light duty because of an injury, they loaned me to the SPs (USAF equivalent to MPs) to test flightline security.
They held my security badge and had me try to get in the cockpit of a C5-A holding a cardboard box.
It was actually skewed in my favor, because my job was normally on the flightline hauling AGE equipment.I did actually get in once, I think somebody got in trouble over that.
After the test the flightline people were a lot more observant.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28555667</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28559425</id>
	<title>Re:Pay for Security w/o as much Hassle?</title>
	<author>bonedog73</author>
	<datestamp>1246556640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The option to do this would be fair, soon we'll all get those barcodes stamped on our foreheads....then we'll ALL be SAFE!</htmltext>
<tokenext>The option to do this would be fair , soon we 'll all get those barcodes stamped on our foreheads....then we 'll ALL be SAFE !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The option to do this would be fair, soon we'll all get those barcodes stamped on our foreheads....then we'll ALL be SAFE!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28554771</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28556773</id>
	<title>Re:Good Idea</title>
	<author>ethan0</author>
	<datestamp>1246545060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I couldn't even finish the headline before I was laughing out loud, I only got as far as <b>TSA Asked to Ensure Safety</b> and I was gone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I could n't even finish the headline before I was laughing out loud , I only got as far as TSA Asked to Ensure Safety and I was gone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I couldn't even finish the headline before I was laughing out loud, I only got as far as TSA Asked to Ensure Safety and I was gone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28554609</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28555579</id>
	<title>Convenient air travel</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246533960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is only going to cost an extra $199 annually? Wow, I hope banks don't catch onto any of this. Otherwise it will be nothing but "You may present a potential security risk so before you can deposit that check we will need to either strip search you, OR you can just pay us 200 dollars."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is only going to cost an extra $ 199 annually ?
Wow , I hope banks do n't catch onto any of this .
Otherwise it will be nothing but " You may present a potential security risk so before you can deposit that check we will need to either strip search you , OR you can just pay us 200 dollars .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is only going to cost an extra $199 annually?
Wow, I hope banks don't catch onto any of this.
Otherwise it will be nothing but "You may present a potential security risk so before you can deposit that check we will need to either strip search you, OR you can just pay us 200 dollars.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28566419</id>
	<title>Re:Steaming Pile of Shit</title>
	<author>mattwarden</author>
	<datestamp>1246539720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know, I want to agree with you. I really do. My ideology calls me to agree with you.</p><p>But, as someone who contracts with the government and understands how much of a pain in the ass it is, $52m/year for a nationwide program is absolute peanuts.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , I want to agree with you .
I really do .
My ideology calls me to agree with you.But , as someone who contracts with the government and understands how much of a pain in the ass it is , $ 52m/year for a nationwide program is absolute peanuts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, I want to agree with you.
I really do.
My ideology calls me to agree with you.But, as someone who contracts with the government and understands how much of a pain in the ass it is, $52m/year for a nationwide program is absolute peanuts.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28554675</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28555817</id>
	<title>Avoid Travel</title>
	<author>ATestR</author>
	<datestamp>1246537560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know that it isn't practical for some to travel by air.  I've had to do it myself as part of the job, a time or two.  But the last time I did it just wasn't the fun it experience that it used to be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know that it is n't practical for some to travel by air .
I 've had to do it myself as part of the job , a time or two .
But the last time I did it just was n't the fun it experience that it used to be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know that it isn't practical for some to travel by air.
I've had to do it myself as part of the job, a time or two.
But the last time I did it just wasn't the fun it experience that it used to be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28554771</id>
	<title>Pay for Security w/o as much Hassle?</title>
	<author>SeaFox</author>
	<datestamp>1246566240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is anyone else bothered by the very existence of these companies? "Pay us and we'll get you through the security faster by taking all this personal information and running it through the security checks early, etc."</p><p>The hassle is a part of the security program designed by the TSA to keep Americans <i>safer</i>, not create new business opportunities. It seems to me the TSA should be offering the same service to travelers for free. Let people submit the same information beforehand, have all the info run through checks, and stored so folks are less inconvenienced by the "safety measures" they insist on.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is anyone else bothered by the very existence of these companies ?
" Pay us and we 'll get you through the security faster by taking all this personal information and running it through the security checks early , etc .
" The hassle is a part of the security program designed by the TSA to keep Americans safer , not create new business opportunities .
It seems to me the TSA should be offering the same service to travelers for free .
Let people submit the same information beforehand , have all the info run through checks , and stored so folks are less inconvenienced by the " safety measures " they insist on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is anyone else bothered by the very existence of these companies?
"Pay us and we'll get you through the security faster by taking all this personal information and running it through the security checks early, etc.
"The hassle is a part of the security program designed by the TSA to keep Americans safer, not create new business opportunities.
It seems to me the TSA should be offering the same service to travelers for free.
Let people submit the same information beforehand, have all the info run through checks, and stored so folks are less inconvenienced by the "safety measures" they insist on.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28556541</id>
	<title>Why did Clear actually NEED this data?</title>
	<author>Trip6</author>
	<datestamp>1246543620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've seen the Clear system in many airports.  It was always empty.  It always seemed to me that their ability to speed you though security was not because they possessed better background info but simply a matter of supply and demand - few occasional or even frequent travelers would pony up the $199.  I never thought WHAT they did was any different - they still make you take out your computer, take off your shoes, etc.


Having been through many non-Clear security lines, I'll tell you they I strongly doubt they are doing any background checks on me as I pass through security - there's no way to get my personal data unless they have a face recognition system to die for.


So, why did Clear actually need all this background data?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've seen the Clear system in many airports .
It was always empty .
It always seemed to me that their ability to speed you though security was not because they possessed better background info but simply a matter of supply and demand - few occasional or even frequent travelers would pony up the $ 199 .
I never thought WHAT they did was any different - they still make you take out your computer , take off your shoes , etc .
Having been through many non-Clear security lines , I 'll tell you they I strongly doubt they are doing any background checks on me as I pass through security - there 's no way to get my personal data unless they have a face recognition system to die for .
So , why did Clear actually need all this background data ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've seen the Clear system in many airports.
It was always empty.
It always seemed to me that their ability to speed you though security was not because they possessed better background info but simply a matter of supply and demand - few occasional or even frequent travelers would pony up the $199.
I never thought WHAT they did was any different - they still make you take out your computer, take off your shoes, etc.
Having been through many non-Clear security lines, I'll tell you they I strongly doubt they are doing any background checks on me as I pass through security - there's no way to get my personal data unless they have a face recognition system to die for.
So, why did Clear actually need all this background data?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28556001</id>
	<title>Re:Damn it, Slashdot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246539480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I remember when I could come on here years and years ago and actually be interested in all the stories. Now, after I wade through all the propaganda, there's not enough substance to occupy me for ten minutes.</p></div><p>You might have Alzheimer's... or a developing aneurysm... you should have that checked out.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember when I could come on here years and years ago and actually be interested in all the stories .
Now , after I wade through all the propaganda , there 's not enough substance to occupy me for ten minutes.You might have Alzheimer 's... or a developing aneurysm... you should have that checked out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember when I could come on here years and years ago and actually be interested in all the stories.
Now, after I wade through all the propaganda, there's not enough substance to occupy me for ten minutes.You might have Alzheimer's... or a developing aneurysm... you should have that checked out.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28554803</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28556137</id>
	<title>What about the shoes?</title>
	<author>MillionthMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1246540620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>People must have had to file pairs of shoes with this company that have already been taken off and searched. They should ask the TSA to ensure the safety of the shoes too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>People must have had to file pairs of shoes with this company that have already been taken off and searched .
They should ask the TSA to ensure the safety of the shoes too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People must have had to file pairs of shoes with this company that have already been taken off and searched.
They should ask the TSA to ensure the safety of the shoes too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28556803</id>
	<title>Re:I am more bothered by the fact we need them</title>
	<author>mcgrew</author>
	<datestamp>1246545240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>so many here want to turn over their health care to these same goons who can't even get you to your plane on time</i></p><p>Incompetence, like competence, starts ate the top. The reason that it took five days to get water to the Superdome (and why the TSA is such a clusterfuck) is because the people at the top were unqualified for the jobs they were appointed to because the President was incompetent at his job as well.</p><p>To counter your example, in March 12, 2006 my town was hit by two F-2 <a href="http://slashdot.org/~mcgrew/journal/225401" title="slashdot.org">tornados</a> [slashdot.org]. The devastation was so bad that if Osama Bin Laden had seen it, he'd have given up, knowing he couldn't possibly hurt us.</p><p>There wasn't a utility pole standing in my neighborhood the next day. Our city-owned electrical utility (we have the lowest electric rates and the most reliable power in the state) had the infrastructure repaired and everyone online in a week.</p><p>Later that year an F-1 hit the St Louis area; I visited a friend in Cahokia that weekend and it was NOTHING like the destruction in my neighborhood. But it took the Amerin corporation a month to get his (very expensive) power back on. Yet so many here want to keep their health care in the hands of these same goons who can't even keep your lights on in a storm.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so many here want to turn over their health care to these same goons who ca n't even get you to your plane on timeIncompetence , like competence , starts ate the top .
The reason that it took five days to get water to the Superdome ( and why the TSA is such a clusterfuck ) is because the people at the top were unqualified for the jobs they were appointed to because the President was incompetent at his job as well.To counter your example , in March 12 , 2006 my town was hit by two F-2 tornados [ slashdot.org ] .
The devastation was so bad that if Osama Bin Laden had seen it , he 'd have given up , knowing he could n't possibly hurt us.There was n't a utility pole standing in my neighborhood the next day .
Our city-owned electrical utility ( we have the lowest electric rates and the most reliable power in the state ) had the infrastructure repaired and everyone online in a week.Later that year an F-1 hit the St Louis area ; I visited a friend in Cahokia that weekend and it was NOTHING like the destruction in my neighborhood .
But it took the Amerin corporation a month to get his ( very expensive ) power back on .
Yet so many here want to keep their health care in the hands of these same goons who ca n't even keep your lights on in a storm .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so many here want to turn over their health care to these same goons who can't even get you to your plane on timeIncompetence, like competence, starts ate the top.
The reason that it took five days to get water to the Superdome (and why the TSA is such a clusterfuck) is because the people at the top were unqualified for the jobs they were appointed to because the President was incompetent at his job as well.To counter your example, in March 12, 2006 my town was hit by two F-2 tornados [slashdot.org].
The devastation was so bad that if Osama Bin Laden had seen it, he'd have given up, knowing he couldn't possibly hurt us.There wasn't a utility pole standing in my neighborhood the next day.
Our city-owned electrical utility (we have the lowest electric rates and the most reliable power in the state) had the infrastructure repaired and everyone online in a week.Later that year an F-1 hit the St Louis area; I visited a friend in Cahokia that weekend and it was NOTHING like the destruction in my neighborhood.
But it took the Amerin corporation a month to get his (very expensive) power back on.
Yet so many here want to keep their health care in the hands of these same goons who can't even keep your lights on in a storm.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28560517</id>
	<title>Re:Steaming Pile of Shit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246559700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please be aware, they are not the only company that does this.</p><p>Also, they are a PRIVATE company that created a demand for the service, then approached TSA. TSA, while a typical punching bag on Slashdot, created the guidelines for a program that still exists. (VIP was not the only Registered Traveler program.)</p><p>What a congressman expects the TSA to do about a private company's data retention policies is beyond me; unless you want to encourage FURTHER mission creep towards enforcing things away from any actual security?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please be aware , they are not the only company that does this.Also , they are a PRIVATE company that created a demand for the service , then approached TSA .
TSA , while a typical punching bag on Slashdot , created the guidelines for a program that still exists .
( VIP was not the only Registered Traveler program .
) What a congressman expects the TSA to do about a private company 's data retention policies is beyond me ; unless you want to encourage FURTHER mission creep towards enforcing things away from any actual security ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please be aware, they are not the only company that does this.Also, they are a PRIVATE company that created a demand for the service, then approached TSA.
TSA, while a typical punching bag on Slashdot, created the guidelines for a program that still exists.
(VIP was not the only Registered Traveler program.
)What a congressman expects the TSA to do about a private company's data retention policies is beyond me; unless you want to encourage FURTHER mission creep towards enforcing things away from any actual security?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28554675</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28558305</id>
	<title>Re:Steaming Pile of Shit</title>
	<author>SeaDuck79</author>
	<datestamp>1246552380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>$199 x 260,000 customers = $51,740,000.</p><p>This company shut down for "financial" reasons. Like they took the money and ran?</p><p>I'm not surprised, the TSA and its money grubbing sycophantic associates are a steaming pile of shit.</p><p>All this company does is do background checks and issue a plastic card, and they can't do it for 51 million gross?</p><p>Typical government contractor type boondoggle (strictly speaking, they were not a contractor).</p></div><p>They did more than that.  They had to install, operate, and man (overman, IMO) stations in each of the airports in which they offered service.</p><p>The promise is that it would speed a pre-vetted traveler through airport security lines.  The problem is that there was little value add to its most likely customer base, most of whom were elite members of one or more airlines that already granted them that privilege.  I signed up because my hotel chain gave me a free year, but I sometimes didn't even bother to use it, because it would have just made me look like some hoidy-toidy silver spoon jerk, which I am not.</p><p>When the economic downturn caused those security lines to be even shorter, there was even less ROI on that $199.  Which is why few bothered to renew.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 199 x 260,000 customers = $ 51,740,000.This company shut down for " financial " reasons .
Like they took the money and ran ? I 'm not surprised , the TSA and its money grubbing sycophantic associates are a steaming pile of shit.All this company does is do background checks and issue a plastic card , and they ca n't do it for 51 million gross ? Typical government contractor type boondoggle ( strictly speaking , they were not a contractor ) .They did more than that .
They had to install , operate , and man ( overman , IMO ) stations in each of the airports in which they offered service.The promise is that it would speed a pre-vetted traveler through airport security lines .
The problem is that there was little value add to its most likely customer base , most of whom were elite members of one or more airlines that already granted them that privilege .
I signed up because my hotel chain gave me a free year , but I sometimes did n't even bother to use it , because it would have just made me look like some hoidy-toidy silver spoon jerk , which I am not.When the economic downturn caused those security lines to be even shorter , there was even less ROI on that $ 199 .
Which is why few bothered to renew .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$199 x 260,000 customers = $51,740,000.This company shut down for "financial" reasons.
Like they took the money and ran?I'm not surprised, the TSA and its money grubbing sycophantic associates are a steaming pile of shit.All this company does is do background checks and issue a plastic card, and they can't do it for 51 million gross?Typical government contractor type boondoggle (strictly speaking, they were not a contractor).They did more than that.
They had to install, operate, and man (overman, IMO) stations in each of the airports in which they offered service.The promise is that it would speed a pre-vetted traveler through airport security lines.
The problem is that there was little value add to its most likely customer base, most of whom were elite members of one or more airlines that already granted them that privilege.
I signed up because my hotel chain gave me a free year, but I sometimes didn't even bother to use it, because it would have just made me look like some hoidy-toidy silver spoon jerk, which I am not.When the economic downturn caused those security lines to be even shorter, there was even less ROI on that $199.
Which is why few bothered to renew.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28555107</id>
	<title>Re:Damn it, Slashdot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246527120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you don't think technical and legal handling of this sort and size of identifying data by a large entity is important then you shouldn't of been here to begin with.<br>
How different entities around the world, government, private or both, handles personal information is of great interest to many people within the IT industry.<br>
Go back to the hole of irrelevance you crawled out of.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you do n't think technical and legal handling of this sort and size of identifying data by a large entity is important then you should n't of been here to begin with .
How different entities around the world , government , private or both , handles personal information is of great interest to many people within the IT industry .
Go back to the hole of irrelevance you crawled out of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you don't think technical and legal handling of this sort and size of identifying data by a large entity is important then you shouldn't of been here to begin with.
How different entities around the world, government, private or both, handles personal information is of great interest to many people within the IT industry.
Go back to the hole of irrelevance you crawled out of.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28554803</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28555729</id>
	<title>Re:Pay for Security w/o as much Hassle?</title>
	<author>Hubbell</author>
	<datestamp>1246536240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The best part is that the clusterfuck known as TSA security in an airport has done nothing to increase the safety of fliers.  The only thing it has done is violated the rights of thousands of Americans, and so far only <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/06/20/tsa.lawsuit/index.html" title="cnn.com" rel="nofollow">Steven Bierfeldt</a> [cnn.com] from the campaign for liberty has had the balls to stand up to them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The best part is that the clusterfuck known as TSA security in an airport has done nothing to increase the safety of fliers .
The only thing it has done is violated the rights of thousands of Americans , and so far only Steven Bierfeldt [ cnn.com ] from the campaign for liberty has had the balls to stand up to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best part is that the clusterfuck known as TSA security in an airport has done nothing to increase the safety of fliers.
The only thing it has done is violated the rights of thousands of Americans, and so far only Steven Bierfeldt [cnn.com] from the campaign for liberty has had the balls to stand up to them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_02_0115230.28558901</id>
	<title>Re:Why did Clear actually NEED this data?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246554780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This was exactly my take on CLEAR as well -- it was a system doomed to failure from the start.</p><p>They took a fee, sure, but they had higher labor costs and more expensive gear to buy than the TSA. Plus they had to advertise and have collections and billing and customer support and all that jazz as well.</p><p>Their flaw was that ultimately, the capacity of an airport's security checkpoints remained unchanged. Thus they had a self-defeating business model. If CLEAR was ever going to obtain the critical mass of members necessary to keep it afloat, the line to get through the CLEAR checkpoint would simply get longer and longer until eventually it could get to where it took longer to go through the CLEAR lines than the normal ones.</p><p>When you coupled the fact that your membership was a losing proposition from the start with the fact that you had to hand these idiots your life history, what did you really expect would happen? In some respect, I think the people who made that decision need to bear the consequences of their actions. Maybe that would finally get enough people to sit down and think and care about the whole fiasco of airport security long enough to force some progress. I'm getting pretty sick of this "Please protect me, Federal government for I am a complete idiot," mentality that has come to permeate everything these days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This was exactly my take on CLEAR as well -- it was a system doomed to failure from the start.They took a fee , sure , but they had higher labor costs and more expensive gear to buy than the TSA .
Plus they had to advertise and have collections and billing and customer support and all that jazz as well.Their flaw was that ultimately , the capacity of an airport 's security checkpoints remained unchanged .
Thus they had a self-defeating business model .
If CLEAR was ever going to obtain the critical mass of members necessary to keep it afloat , the line to get through the CLEAR checkpoint would simply get longer and longer until eventually it could get to where it took longer to go through the CLEAR lines than the normal ones.When you coupled the fact that your membership was a losing proposition from the start with the fact that you had to hand these idiots your life history , what did you really expect would happen ?
In some respect , I think the people who made that decision need to bear the consequences of their actions .
Maybe that would finally get enough people to sit down and think and care about the whole fiasco of airport security long enough to force some progress .
I 'm getting pretty sick of this " Please protect me , Federal government for I am a complete idiot , " mentality that has come to permeate everything these days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was exactly my take on CLEAR as well -- it was a system doomed to failure from the start.They took a fee, sure, but they had higher labor costs and more expensive gear to buy than the TSA.
Plus they had to advertise and have collections and billing and customer support and all that jazz as well.Their flaw was that ultimately, the capacity of an airport's security checkpoints remained unchanged.
Thus they had a self-defeating business model.
If CLEAR was ever going to obtain the critical mass of members necessary to keep it afloat, the line to get through the CLEAR checkpoint would simply get longer and longer until eventually it could get to where it took longer to go through the CLEAR lines than the normal ones.When you coupled the fact that your membership was a losing proposition from the start with the fact that you had to hand these idiots your life history, what did you really expect would happen?
In some respect, I think the people who made that decision need to bear the consequences of their actions.
Maybe that would finally get enough people to sit down and think and care about the whole fiasco of airport security long enough to force some progress.
I'm getting pretty sick of this "Please protect me, Federal government for I am a complete idiot," mentality that has come to permeate everything these days.</sentencetext>
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	<title>What did their privacy policy say?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246565160000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not that it matters, I'm sure it had a "we can change this at will without notifying you" clause, like every other one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not that it matters , I 'm sure it had a " we can change this at will without notifying you " clause , like every other one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not that it matters, I'm sure it had a "we can change this at will without notifying you" clause, like every other one.</sentencetext>
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