<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_07_01_0032230</id>
	<title>US Gov. Launches Web Site To Track IT Spending</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1246449780000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>andy1307 writes <i>"Vivek Kundra, the federal chief information officer, announced on Tuesday a new Web site designed to <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/06/30/AR2009063001370.html?hpid=moreheadlines">track more than $70 billion in government IT spending</a>, showing all contracts held by major firms within every agency. The (Flash-heavy) site, <a href="http://usaspending.gov/">USAspending.gov</a>, shows detailed information about whether IT contracts are being monitored and budgets being met. The data also show which contracts were won through a competitive process or in a no-bid method (the latter approach is criticized by good-government advocates for excluding firms from business opportunities). Each prime contractor is listed as well as the status of that project; sub-contractors are not yet shown."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>andy1307 writes " Vivek Kundra , the federal chief information officer , announced on Tuesday a new Web site designed to track more than $ 70 billion in government IT spending , showing all contracts held by major firms within every agency .
The ( Flash-heavy ) site , USAspending.gov , shows detailed information about whether IT contracts are being monitored and budgets being met .
The data also show which contracts were won through a competitive process or in a no-bid method ( the latter approach is criticized by good-government advocates for excluding firms from business opportunities ) .
Each prime contractor is listed as well as the status of that project ; sub-contractors are not yet shown .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>andy1307 writes "Vivek Kundra, the federal chief information officer, announced on Tuesday a new Web site designed to track more than $70 billion in government IT spending, showing all contracts held by major firms within every agency.
The (Flash-heavy) site, USAspending.gov, shows detailed information about whether IT contracts are being monitored and budgets being met.
The data also show which contracts were won through a competitive process or in a no-bid method (the latter approach is criticized by good-government advocates for excluding firms from business opportunities).
Each prime contractor is listed as well as the status of that project; sub-contractors are not yet shown.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28540857</id>
	<title>Re:Okay what about military, etc?</title>
	<author>ratnerstar</author>
	<datestamp>1246455060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The summary is misleading.  As best I can figure out, the site tracks ALL government spending, not merely IT.  It's a little confusing because they provide a special tool just for IT investments -- the "IT Dashboard" -- which gives you some additional reports.  But information about all (non-classified) spending is included on the main site.  If you're interested in the DoD, look <a href="http://www.usaspending.gov/fpds/fpds.php?datype=T&amp;detail=-1&amp;database=fpds&amp;fiscal\_year=2009&amp;maj\_agency\_cat=97" title="usaspending.gov">here</a> [usaspending.gov].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The summary is misleading .
As best I can figure out , the site tracks ALL government spending , not merely IT .
It 's a little confusing because they provide a special tool just for IT investments -- the " IT Dashboard " -- which gives you some additional reports .
But information about all ( non-classified ) spending is included on the main site .
If you 're interested in the DoD , look here [ usaspending.gov ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The summary is misleading.
As best I can figure out, the site tracks ALL government spending, not merely IT.
It's a little confusing because they provide a special tool just for IT investments -- the "IT Dashboard" -- which gives you some additional reports.
But information about all (non-classified) spending is included on the main site.
If you're interested in the DoD, look here [usaspending.gov].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28541401</id>
	<title>Sense of humor...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246458600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I started reading this thread hoping to see some funny posts about Govt spending...  But once again I'm made aware of the fact that people involved in Govt work seem to be lacking a sense of humor.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I started reading this thread hoping to see some funny posts about Govt spending... But once again I 'm made aware of the fact that people involved in Govt work seem to be lacking a sense of humor .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I started reading this thread hoping to see some funny posts about Govt spending...  But once again I'm made aware of the fact that people involved in Govt work seem to be lacking a sense of humor.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28540743</id>
	<title>disregard that, i suck cocks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246454160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>imagine your willy being smacked until it bleeds.</p><p>Edgar181</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>imagine your willy being smacked until it bleeds.Edgar181</tokentext>
<sentencetext>imagine your willy being smacked until it bleeds.Edgar181</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28540937</id>
	<title>Here is how fare and competive bidding works.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246455720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It looks good on paper.  However this is what happens.</p><p>First lets stop and realize there is a deal of stress and frustration to have to deal with different people all the time (contractors) and it is generally easier and safer to deal with the same people (you know the level you can trust them and you know their quality of their work etc... All in all makes it easier to manage them).<br>That said IT managers of government agencies really don't want to put stuff out to bid. As it is a lot of work for them, they have to battle with the Union first to make a case for their need (normally with all their staff saying I don't want to do this) for hiring outsiders to do the work.  Then you need to make a full spec and then put it out to bid get the best bid and then when the people start they will start out slower because they don't know your work.  (Turnover cost is about 150\% more then using the same people)</p><p>So what happens? Well they make 1 or 2 actual completive bids for some small projects and see if they like the people. Once they know them and like them and get to know their skill sets for the next larger project they word the bid to match that persons skill sets so the person who meets the requirements is the person they look for.  That is why if you look at these bids that come out there is a lot of very odd requirement say for a Web project asking for 13 years of Cobol Experience or Linux experience for making a Windows app. Then they used that canned bid over and over again to keep them there.</p><p>Why use contractors at all? Because the Union allows the people to say no to any job they don't want to do. And a lot of jobs are based on Bad Ideas which are very political, but really doomed to failure. So you get the contractor to do it. If it fails then it is the evil contractors fault.  But you hire him again because you really know the project was doomed anyways. The contractor is fine to be the bad guy if you keep hiring him again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It looks good on paper .
However this is what happens.First lets stop and realize there is a deal of stress and frustration to have to deal with different people all the time ( contractors ) and it is generally easier and safer to deal with the same people ( you know the level you can trust them and you know their quality of their work etc... All in all makes it easier to manage them ) .That said IT managers of government agencies really do n't want to put stuff out to bid .
As it is a lot of work for them , they have to battle with the Union first to make a case for their need ( normally with all their staff saying I do n't want to do this ) for hiring outsiders to do the work .
Then you need to make a full spec and then put it out to bid get the best bid and then when the people start they will start out slower because they do n't know your work .
( Turnover cost is about 150 \ % more then using the same people ) So what happens ?
Well they make 1 or 2 actual completive bids for some small projects and see if they like the people .
Once they know them and like them and get to know their skill sets for the next larger project they word the bid to match that persons skill sets so the person who meets the requirements is the person they look for .
That is why if you look at these bids that come out there is a lot of very odd requirement say for a Web project asking for 13 years of Cobol Experience or Linux experience for making a Windows app .
Then they used that canned bid over and over again to keep them there.Why use contractors at all ?
Because the Union allows the people to say no to any job they do n't want to do .
And a lot of jobs are based on Bad Ideas which are very political , but really doomed to failure .
So you get the contractor to do it .
If it fails then it is the evil contractors fault .
But you hire him again because you really know the project was doomed anyways .
The contractor is fine to be the bad guy if you keep hiring him again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It looks good on paper.
However this is what happens.First lets stop and realize there is a deal of stress and frustration to have to deal with different people all the time (contractors) and it is generally easier and safer to deal with the same people (you know the level you can trust them and you know their quality of their work etc... All in all makes it easier to manage them).That said IT managers of government agencies really don't want to put stuff out to bid.
As it is a lot of work for them, they have to battle with the Union first to make a case for their need (normally with all their staff saying I don't want to do this) for hiring outsiders to do the work.
Then you need to make a full spec and then put it out to bid get the best bid and then when the people start they will start out slower because they don't know your work.
(Turnover cost is about 150\% more then using the same people)So what happens?
Well they make 1 or 2 actual completive bids for some small projects and see if they like the people.
Once they know them and like them and get to know their skill sets for the next larger project they word the bid to match that persons skill sets so the person who meets the requirements is the person they look for.
That is why if you look at these bids that come out there is a lot of very odd requirement say for a Web project asking for 13 years of Cobol Experience or Linux experience for making a Windows app.
Then they used that canned bid over and over again to keep them there.Why use contractors at all?
Because the Union allows the people to say no to any job they don't want to do.
And a lot of jobs are based on Bad Ideas which are very political, but really doomed to failure.
So you get the contractor to do it.
If it fails then it is the evil contractors fault.
But you hire him again because you really know the project was doomed anyways.
The contractor is fine to be the bad guy if you keep hiring him again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28540717</id>
	<title>I wonder</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246453860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How much did they pay for the SCO licenses for Linux ?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How much did they pay for the SCO licenses for Linux ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How much did they pay for the SCO licenses for Linux ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28543895</id>
	<title>Re:Okay what about military, etc?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246468620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm pretty certain the $20k anything were based on a procurement method that averaged the costs of items in an order.</p><p>Toilet Seat $50<br>Jet Fighter $15,000,000<br>?????</p><p>? Items at $20,000 each</p><p>Nobody complains about the $20,000 jet fighters though</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm pretty certain the $ 20k anything were based on a procurement method that averaged the costs of items in an order.Toilet Seat $ 50Jet Fighter $ 15,000,000 ? ? ? ? ? ?
Items at $ 20,000 eachNobody complains about the $ 20,000 jet fighters though</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm pretty certain the $20k anything were based on a procurement method that averaged the costs of items in an order.Toilet Seat $50Jet Fighter $15,000,000??????
Items at $20,000 eachNobody complains about the $20,000 jet fighters though</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28541485</id>
	<title>Afro-American Racism Against Whites and Asians</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246459200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>During the election, about 95\% of African-Americans voted for Barack Hussein Obama due solely to the color of his skin.  See the <a href="http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#USP00p1" title="cnn.com" rel="nofollow">exit-polling data</a> [cnn.com] by CNN.
<p>
Note the voting pattern of Hispanics, Asian-Americans, etc.  These non-Black minorities serve as a measurement of African-American racism against Whites (and other non-Black folks).  Neither Barack Hussein Obama nor John McCain is Hispanic or Asian.  So, Hispanics and Asian-Americans used only non-racial criteria in selecting a candidate and, hence, serve as the reference by which we detect a racist voting pattern.  Only about 65\% of Hispanics and Asian-Americans supported Obama.  In other words, a maximum of 65\% support by any ethnic or racial group for <b>either</b> McCain <b>or</b> Obama is not racist and, hence, is acceptable.  (A maximum of 65\% for McCain is okay.  So, European-American support at 55\% for McCain is well below this threshold and, hence, is not racist.)
</p><p>
If African-Americans were not racist, then at most 65\% of them would have supported Obama.  At that level of support, McCain would have won the presidential race.
</p><p>
At this point, African-American supremacists (and apologists) claim that African-Americans voted for Obama because he (1) is a member of the Democratic party and (2) supports its ideals.  That claim is an outright lie.  Look at the <a href="http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#NCDEM" title="cnn.com" rel="nofollow">exit-polling data</a> [cnn.com] for the Democratic primaries.  Consider the case of North Carolina.  Again, about 95\% of African-Americans voted for him and against Hillary Clinton.  Both Clinton and Obama are Democrats, and their official political positions on the campaign trail were nearly identical.  Yet, 95\% of African-Americans voted for Obama and against Hillary Clinton.  Why?  African-Americans supported Obama due solely to the color of his skin.
</p><p>
Here is the bottom line.  Barack Hussein Obama does not represent mainstream America.  He won the election due to the racist voting pattern exhibited by African-Americans.
</p><p>
African-Americans have established that expressing "racial pride" by voting on the basis of skin color is 100\% acceptable.  Neither the "Wall Street Journal" nor the "New York Times" complained about this racist behavior.  Therefore, in future elections, please feel free to express your racial pride by voting on the basis of skin color.  Feel free to vote for the non-Black candidates and against the Black candidates if you are not African-American.  You need not defend your actions in any way.  Voting on the basis of skin color is quite acceptable by today's moral standard.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>During the election , about 95 \ % of African-Americans voted for Barack Hussein Obama due solely to the color of his skin .
See the exit-polling data [ cnn.com ] by CNN .
Note the voting pattern of Hispanics , Asian-Americans , etc .
These non-Black minorities serve as a measurement of African-American racism against Whites ( and other non-Black folks ) .
Neither Barack Hussein Obama nor John McCain is Hispanic or Asian .
So , Hispanics and Asian-Americans used only non-racial criteria in selecting a candidate and , hence , serve as the reference by which we detect a racist voting pattern .
Only about 65 \ % of Hispanics and Asian-Americans supported Obama .
In other words , a maximum of 65 \ % support by any ethnic or racial group for either McCain or Obama is not racist and , hence , is acceptable .
( A maximum of 65 \ % for McCain is okay .
So , European-American support at 55 \ % for McCain is well below this threshold and , hence , is not racist .
) If African-Americans were not racist , then at most 65 \ % of them would have supported Obama .
At that level of support , McCain would have won the presidential race .
At this point , African-American supremacists ( and apologists ) claim that African-Americans voted for Obama because he ( 1 ) is a member of the Democratic party and ( 2 ) supports its ideals .
That claim is an outright lie .
Look at the exit-polling data [ cnn.com ] for the Democratic primaries .
Consider the case of North Carolina .
Again , about 95 \ % of African-Americans voted for him and against Hillary Clinton .
Both Clinton and Obama are Democrats , and their official political positions on the campaign trail were nearly identical .
Yet , 95 \ % of African-Americans voted for Obama and against Hillary Clinton .
Why ? African-Americans supported Obama due solely to the color of his skin .
Here is the bottom line .
Barack Hussein Obama does not represent mainstream America .
He won the election due to the racist voting pattern exhibited by African-Americans .
African-Americans have established that expressing " racial pride " by voting on the basis of skin color is 100 \ % acceptable .
Neither the " Wall Street Journal " nor the " New York Times " complained about this racist behavior .
Therefore , in future elections , please feel free to express your racial pride by voting on the basis of skin color .
Feel free to vote for the non-Black candidates and against the Black candidates if you are not African-American .
You need not defend your actions in any way .
Voting on the basis of skin color is quite acceptable by today 's moral standard .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>During the election, about 95\% of African-Americans voted for Barack Hussein Obama due solely to the color of his skin.
See the exit-polling data [cnn.com] by CNN.
Note the voting pattern of Hispanics, Asian-Americans, etc.
These non-Black minorities serve as a measurement of African-American racism against Whites (and other non-Black folks).
Neither Barack Hussein Obama nor John McCain is Hispanic or Asian.
So, Hispanics and Asian-Americans used only non-racial criteria in selecting a candidate and, hence, serve as the reference by which we detect a racist voting pattern.
Only about 65\% of Hispanics and Asian-Americans supported Obama.
In other words, a maximum of 65\% support by any ethnic or racial group for either McCain or Obama is not racist and, hence, is acceptable.
(A maximum of 65\% for McCain is okay.
So, European-American support at 55\% for McCain is well below this threshold and, hence, is not racist.
)

If African-Americans were not racist, then at most 65\% of them would have supported Obama.
At that level of support, McCain would have won the presidential race.
At this point, African-American supremacists (and apologists) claim that African-Americans voted for Obama because he (1) is a member of the Democratic party and (2) supports its ideals.
That claim is an outright lie.
Look at the exit-polling data [cnn.com] for the Democratic primaries.
Consider the case of North Carolina.
Again, about 95\% of African-Americans voted for him and against Hillary Clinton.
Both Clinton and Obama are Democrats, and their official political positions on the campaign trail were nearly identical.
Yet, 95\% of African-Americans voted for Obama and against Hillary Clinton.
Why?  African-Americans supported Obama due solely to the color of his skin.
Here is the bottom line.
Barack Hussein Obama does not represent mainstream America.
He won the election due to the racist voting pattern exhibited by African-Americans.
African-Americans have established that expressing "racial pride" by voting on the basis of skin color is 100\% acceptable.
Neither the "Wall Street Journal" nor the "New York Times" complained about this racist behavior.
Therefore, in future elections, please feel free to express your racial pride by voting on the basis of skin color.
Feel free to vote for the non-Black candidates and against the Black candidates if you are not African-American.
You need not defend your actions in any way.
Voting on the basis of skin color is quite acceptable by today's moral standard.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28540715</id>
	<title>Okay what about military, etc?</title>
	<author>Neuroticwhine</author>
	<datestamp>1246453860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow this is great.... now what about a detailed log of other governmental spending? Be nice to know where those orders for $20,000 toilet seats are coming out of.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow this is great.... now what about a detailed log of other governmental spending ?
Be nice to know where those orders for $ 20,000 toilet seats are coming out of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow this is great.... now what about a detailed log of other governmental spending?
Be nice to know where those orders for $20,000 toilet seats are coming out of.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28540797</id>
	<title>Re:Okay what about military, etc?</title>
	<author>jellomizer</author>
	<datestamp>1246454700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The 20k toilet seat. Wasn't because company A sold it to the government for 20k.  It was from all the bureaucracy that went to approve it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The 20k toilet seat .
Was n't because company A sold it to the government for 20k .
It was from all the bureaucracy that went to approve it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 20k toilet seat.
Wasn't because company A sold it to the government for 20k.
It was from all the bureaucracy that went to approve it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28540729</id>
	<title>No data on kickbacks</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246453980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What? No field to track kickbacks and bribes.... That's lame.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What ?
No field to track kickbacks and bribes.... That 's lame .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What?
No field to track kickbacks and bribes.... That's lame.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28542361</id>
	<title>Re:I'm Not Going to Lie</title>
	<author>GSPride</author>
	<datestamp>1246463280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Federal aid per $1.00 of tax collected (2005)</p><p>New York State - $0.79<br>Texas - $0.94<br>Pennsylvania - $1.07<br>Minnesota - $0.72</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Federal aid per $ 1.00 of tax collected ( 2005 ) New York State - $ 0.79Texas - $ 0.94Pennsylvania - $ 1.07Minnesota - $ 0.72</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Federal aid per $1.00 of tax collected (2005)New York State - $0.79Texas - $0.94Pennsylvania - $1.07Minnesota - $0.72</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28543609</id>
	<title>Stargate?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246467780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I went poking around, and almost immediately found, marked in red for "Significant Concerns", the following project:</p><p><a href="http://it.usaspending.gov/?q=content/investment&amp;buscid=3553" title="usaspending.gov" rel="nofollow">CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN COMPLEX/TACTICAL WARNING - ATTACK ASSESSMENT</a> [usaspending.gov]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I went poking around , and almost immediately found , marked in red for " Significant Concerns " , the following project : CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN COMPLEX/TACTICAL WARNING - ATTACK ASSESSMENT [ usaspending.gov ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I went poking around, and almost immediately found, marked in red for "Significant Concerns", the following project:CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN COMPLEX/TACTICAL WARNING - ATTACK ASSESSMENT [usaspending.gov]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28540899</id>
	<title>VUE-IT</title>
	<author>highwind81</author>
	<datestamp>1246455420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you don't like flash here's another view of the Federal IT Budget:<br>
<a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/egov/vue-it/index.html" title="whitehouse.gov" rel="nofollow">http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/egov/vue-it/index.html</a> [whitehouse.gov] <br>
I'm not sure if it's the same data but it let you have the raw data too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you do n't like flash here 's another view of the Federal IT Budget : http : //www.whitehouse.gov/omb/egov/vue-it/index.html [ whitehouse.gov ] I 'm not sure if it 's the same data but it let you have the raw data too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you don't like flash here's another view of the Federal IT Budget:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/egov/vue-it/index.html [whitehouse.gov] 
I'm not sure if it's the same data but it let you have the raw data too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28541837</id>
	<title>An easy way to cut costs</title>
	<author>MikeRT</author>
	<datestamp>1246461060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Make a federal job board where independent contractors can easily submit quick bids where they will work directly under a government boss. The big IT contractors would hate that, but there is no reason why most IT projects need to have a huge contractor support apparatus, instead of having a highly paid government program manager directly control the contractors. 1099s are also a lot cheaper when the government can hire them directly. Even if they have to pay say... $150/hr for a senior developer, that's usually a lot less than a big contractor firm with all of its overhead costs would charge the government.</p><p>Everyone's afraid of "fraud, waste and abuse" if the bid process isn't some hyper-complicated kabuki, but the federal government actually wastes more money going through this process. It loses it by losing an opportunity to directly negotiate with smaller companies and independent contractors, and it loses it based on having to have more employees to ensure compliance. The truth is, if the federal government had the flexibility to easily hire 1099s without much oversight, as long as they're reasonably competent, it'll save money no matter what over hiring companies like Lockheed, Boeing and Northrop.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Make a federal job board where independent contractors can easily submit quick bids where they will work directly under a government boss .
The big IT contractors would hate that , but there is no reason why most IT projects need to have a huge contractor support apparatus , instead of having a highly paid government program manager directly control the contractors .
1099s are also a lot cheaper when the government can hire them directly .
Even if they have to pay say... $ 150/hr for a senior developer , that 's usually a lot less than a big contractor firm with all of its overhead costs would charge the government.Everyone 's afraid of " fraud , waste and abuse " if the bid process is n't some hyper-complicated kabuki , but the federal government actually wastes more money going through this process .
It loses it by losing an opportunity to directly negotiate with smaller companies and independent contractors , and it loses it based on having to have more employees to ensure compliance .
The truth is , if the federal government had the flexibility to easily hire 1099s without much oversight , as long as they 're reasonably competent , it 'll save money no matter what over hiring companies like Lockheed , Boeing and Northrop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Make a federal job board where independent contractors can easily submit quick bids where they will work directly under a government boss.
The big IT contractors would hate that, but there is no reason why most IT projects need to have a huge contractor support apparatus, instead of having a highly paid government program manager directly control the contractors.
1099s are also a lot cheaper when the government can hire them directly.
Even if they have to pay say... $150/hr for a senior developer, that's usually a lot less than a big contractor firm with all of its overhead costs would charge the government.Everyone's afraid of "fraud, waste and abuse" if the bid process isn't some hyper-complicated kabuki, but the federal government actually wastes more money going through this process.
It loses it by losing an opportunity to directly negotiate with smaller companies and independent contractors, and it loses it based on having to have more employees to ensure compliance.
The truth is, if the federal government had the flexibility to easily hire 1099s without much oversight, as long as they're reasonably competent, it'll save money no matter what over hiring companies like Lockheed, Boeing and Northrop.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28542873</id>
	<title>Re:I'm Not Going to Lie</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246465440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>13.5 billion, you mean.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>13.5 billion , you mean .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>13.5 billion, you mean.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28540875</id>
	<title>Re: How much..</title>
	<author>Black Parrot</author>
	<datestamp>1246455240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And how much productivity blown off today, as people try to figure out how to use it, then search it for projects they can complain about.</p><p>But here's the kicker:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>"I talked to the CIO Council and saw the data change overnight," Kundra said. "It was cleaned up immediately when people realized it was going to be made public."</p></div><p>Wonder how much of the data changed in the "looks better now" direction.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And how much productivity blown off today , as people try to figure out how to use it , then search it for projects they can complain about.But here 's the kicker : " I talked to the CIO Council and saw the data change overnight , " Kundra said .
" It was cleaned up immediately when people realized it was going to be made public .
" Wonder how much of the data changed in the " looks better now " direction .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how much productivity blown off today, as people try to figure out how to use it, then search it for projects they can complain about.But here's the kicker:"I talked to the CIO Council and saw the data change overnight," Kundra said.
"It was cleaned up immediately when people realized it was going to be made public.
"Wonder how much of the data changed in the "looks better now" direction.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28544781</id>
	<title>great, typical bureaucratic solution to visibility</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246471140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Classic gov't/academic website: overload the customer with documentation and stats (for each dept, each program, etc...)
<p>.
</p><p>
Yes, this site is great for watchdog groups that can do research, but this data has been available since the 80's and the reason people 'never cared about accountability' is because the data was never compiled. This website shows a 'slick' web2.0 presentation, but the data is still not compiled--I think the IRS booklets we get for tax day have better information (i.e. compiled data) where one can say: 'we're wasting money' or 'my money is well spent'. This website is pushing us to the typical Web2.0 self-service mentality such that gov't becomes <i>less accountable</i> as the data is presented (not compiled) and YOU need to do the analysis/searching/data mining. And of course, the gov't wonks continue to get their high salaries, with less work and no questions asked...
</p><p>
And of course, sure there's lots of data, but is anything actionable? That's the most valuable thing gov't IT can do for its citizens, <i>empower them</i>:i.e. can't you take action on this site (submit a comment, conduct a poll, etc...)? <i>Nope...</i>. I waiting for the people to get upset at gov't spending and the response will be: <i>"well the data is posted, not our fault you didn't track it for so long."</i>. </p><p>When it comes to gov't spending, they are ultimately accountable (by our vote), but this approach bring more democracy into the game and now the blame is <b>shared</b>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Classic gov't/academic website : overload the customer with documentation and stats ( for each dept , each program , etc... ) .
Yes , this site is great for watchdog groups that can do research , but this data has been available since the 80 's and the reason people 'never cared about accountability ' is because the data was never compiled .
This website shows a 'slick ' web2.0 presentation , but the data is still not compiled--I think the IRS booklets we get for tax day have better information ( i.e .
compiled data ) where one can say : 'we 're wasting money ' or 'my money is well spent' .
This website is pushing us to the typical Web2.0 self-service mentality such that gov't becomes less accountable as the data is presented ( not compiled ) and YOU need to do the analysis/searching/data mining .
And of course , the gov't wonks continue to get their high salaries , with less work and no questions asked.. . And of course , sure there 's lots of data , but is anything actionable ?
That 's the most valuable thing gov't IT can do for its citizens , empower them : i.e .
ca n't you take action on this site ( submit a comment , conduct a poll , etc... ) ?
Nope.... I waiting for the people to get upset at gov't spending and the response will be : " well the data is posted , not our fault you did n't track it for so long. " .
When it comes to gov't spending , they are ultimately accountable ( by our vote ) , but this approach bring more democracy into the game and now the blame is shared .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Classic gov't/academic website: overload the customer with documentation and stats (for each dept, each program, etc...)
.
Yes, this site is great for watchdog groups that can do research, but this data has been available since the 80's and the reason people 'never cared about accountability' is because the data was never compiled.
This website shows a 'slick' web2.0 presentation, but the data is still not compiled--I think the IRS booklets we get for tax day have better information (i.e.
compiled data) where one can say: 'we're wasting money' or 'my money is well spent'.
This website is pushing us to the typical Web2.0 self-service mentality such that gov't becomes less accountable as the data is presented (not compiled) and YOU need to do the analysis/searching/data mining.
And of course, the gov't wonks continue to get their high salaries, with less work and no questions asked...

And of course, sure there's lots of data, but is anything actionable?
That's the most valuable thing gov't IT can do for its citizens, empower them:i.e.
can't you take action on this site (submit a comment, conduct a poll, etc...)?
Nope.... I waiting for the people to get upset at gov't spending and the response will be: "well the data is posted, not our fault you didn't track it for so long.".
When it comes to gov't spending, they are ultimately accountable (by our vote), but this approach bring more democracy into the game and now the blame is shared.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28541515</id>
	<title>Re:I'm Not Going to Lie</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246459320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a resident of Texas I agree that NO federal money should be spent on a state issues.  However, Texas is a DONOR state meaning it gives more revenue than it takes from the Federal Government..  Plus do not forget we have a lot of "undocumented" workers that pass through our state and federal mandated to provide them health care.</p><p>Another point:  what you are looking at is a tiny fraction of the money spend by the Fed and where it gets distributed.  This spending website is like scrutinizing an iceberg by placing one ice crystal under a microscope.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a resident of Texas I agree that NO federal money should be spent on a state issues .
However , Texas is a DONOR state meaning it gives more revenue than it takes from the Federal Government.. Plus do not forget we have a lot of " undocumented " workers that pass through our state and federal mandated to provide them health care.Another point : what you are looking at is a tiny fraction of the money spend by the Fed and where it gets distributed .
This spending website is like scrutinizing an iceberg by placing one ice crystal under a microscope .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a resident of Texas I agree that NO federal money should be spent on a state issues.
However, Texas is a DONOR state meaning it gives more revenue than it takes from the Federal Government..  Plus do not forget we have a lot of "undocumented" workers that pass through our state and federal mandated to provide them health care.Another point:  what you are looking at is a tiny fraction of the money spend by the Fed and where it gets distributed.
This spending website is like scrutinizing an iceberg by placing one ice crystal under a microscope.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28540947</id>
	<title>A good first step towards accountability</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246455720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a good first step towards accountability.</p><p>Personally, I'd like to vote on the overall budget expenditures for the big 20 departments. We shouldn't be surprised when departments and programs we love don't get much funding while others we dislike very much do. Most citizens don't have any valid idea how much money goes into any program.  Most think we spend 50\% on the military and 10\% on NASA.  Those numbers were significantly lower a few years ago (22\%/0.5\%).  The thing that bothers me most is Social Security is like 55\% of the total budget. That's just crazy. Wild swings in spending shouldn't be allowed even if we vote.  No more than a 5\% change in any department per year, so they can smoothly transition to the next annual budget amounts up or down.</p><p>We need to carefully monitor <a href="http://it.usaspending.gov/?q=content/investments-rated-agency" title="usaspending.gov" rel="nofollow">http://it.usaspending.gov/?q=content/investments-rated-agency</a> [usaspending.gov] until all of them are reporting.  Only a few (less than 5) out of 30+ departments are currently reporting.</p><p>Perhaps I'm crazy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a good first step towards accountability.Personally , I 'd like to vote on the overall budget expenditures for the big 20 departments .
We should n't be surprised when departments and programs we love do n't get much funding while others we dislike very much do .
Most citizens do n't have any valid idea how much money goes into any program .
Most think we spend 50 \ % on the military and 10 \ % on NASA .
Those numbers were significantly lower a few years ago ( 22 \ % /0.5 \ % ) .
The thing that bothers me most is Social Security is like 55 \ % of the total budget .
That 's just crazy .
Wild swings in spending should n't be allowed even if we vote .
No more than a 5 \ % change in any department per year , so they can smoothly transition to the next annual budget amounts up or down.We need to carefully monitor http : //it.usaspending.gov/ ? q = content/investments-rated-agency [ usaspending.gov ] until all of them are reporting .
Only a few ( less than 5 ) out of 30 + departments are currently reporting.Perhaps I 'm crazy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a good first step towards accountability.Personally, I'd like to vote on the overall budget expenditures for the big 20 departments.
We shouldn't be surprised when departments and programs we love don't get much funding while others we dislike very much do.
Most citizens don't have any valid idea how much money goes into any program.
Most think we spend 50\% on the military and 10\% on NASA.
Those numbers were significantly lower a few years ago (22\%/0.5\%).
The thing that bothers me most is Social Security is like 55\% of the total budget.
That's just crazy.
Wild swings in spending shouldn't be allowed even if we vote.
No more than a 5\% change in any department per year, so they can smoothly transition to the next annual budget amounts up or down.We need to carefully monitor http://it.usaspending.gov/?q=content/investments-rated-agency [usaspending.gov] until all of them are reporting.
Only a few (less than 5) out of 30+ departments are currently reporting.Perhaps I'm crazy.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28540801</id>
	<title>How much..</title>
	<author>kazade84</author>
	<datestamp>1246454700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>of that $70 billion was spent developing that site?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:p</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>of that $ 70 billion was spent developing that site ?
: p</tokentext>
<sentencetext>of that $70 billion was spent developing that site?
:p</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28540897</id>
	<title>Jeebus</title>
	<author>RMH101</author>
	<datestamp>1246455360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>..and I've been putting off filling in *my* Project Status Reports...</htmltext>
<tokenext>..and I 've been putting off filling in * my * Project Status Reports.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..and I've been putting off filling in *my* Project Status Reports...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28541907</id>
	<title>Re:A good first step towards accountability</title>
	<author>cenc</author>
	<datestamp>1246461420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I say we just eliminate congress, the president, and the supreme court and just vote directly online through U-tube. Just think of the tax savings we could get by going to a full virtual government. We could all collectively push the big red button to nuke North Korea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I say we just eliminate congress , the president , and the supreme court and just vote directly online through U-tube .
Just think of the tax savings we could get by going to a full virtual government .
We could all collectively push the big red button to nuke North Korea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I say we just eliminate congress, the president, and the supreme court and just vote directly online through U-tube.
Just think of the tax savings we could get by going to a full virtual government.
We could all collectively push the big red button to nuke North Korea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28541125</id>
	<title>Re:I'm Not Going to Lie</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246457040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh what...the...fuck....</p><p>I work with the data from the Texas HHS. Are you fucking kidding me, 13.5 mill and this is the best they can do?!</p><p>*fumes and debates dropping the whole database*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh what...the...fuck....I work with the data from the Texas HHS .
Are you fucking kidding me , 13.5 mill and this is the best they can do ? !
* fumes and debates dropping the whole database *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh what...the...fuck....I work with the data from the Texas HHS.
Are you fucking kidding me, 13.5 mill and this is the best they can do?!
*fumes and debates dropping the whole database*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28541079</id>
	<title>Re:How much..</title>
	<author>Capt James McCarthy</author>
	<datestamp>1246456740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lowest bidder always gets these results.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lowest bidder always gets these results .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lowest bidder always gets these results.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28542119</id>
	<title>Re:A good first step towards accountability</title>
	<author>ducomputergeek</author>
	<datestamp>1246462260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I hear people say how we should spend more on social services and cut the military and NASA without really knowing any of the numbers.  They see 15B for Nasa and think that 15B is a really big number, yet has percentage of overall spending or even vs entitlement spending, it's a drop in the bucket.  Hell, unless I read the numbers wrong (I've not had my morning coffee yet) the New York Health care system got almost as much money as NASA's entire budget.</p><p>Last time I checked, which was a year or two ago, entitlement spending is roughly half the US budget and twice what we spend on the military.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hear people say how we should spend more on social services and cut the military and NASA without really knowing any of the numbers .
They see 15B for Nasa and think that 15B is a really big number , yet has percentage of overall spending or even vs entitlement spending , it 's a drop in the bucket .
Hell , unless I read the numbers wrong ( I 've not had my morning coffee yet ) the New York Health care system got almost as much money as NASA 's entire budget.Last time I checked , which was a year or two ago , entitlement spending is roughly half the US budget and twice what we spend on the military .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hear people say how we should spend more on social services and cut the military and NASA without really knowing any of the numbers.
They see 15B for Nasa and think that 15B is a really big number, yet has percentage of overall spending or even vs entitlement spending, it's a drop in the bucket.
Hell, unless I read the numbers wrong (I've not had my morning coffee yet) the New York Health care system got almost as much money as NASA's entire budget.Last time I checked, which was a year or two ago, entitlement spending is roughly half the US budget and twice what we spend on the military.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28542485</id>
	<title>you do realize why they do that, right?</title>
	<author>SuperBanana</author>
	<datestamp>1246463820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <i>Be nice to know where those orders for $20,000 toilet seats are coming out of.</i>

</p><p>It'd be nice to know what those $20,000 toilet seats <b>really</b> are- they ain't toilet seats.  It's basically fraud/money laundering; the $19980 goes somewhere else, or "toilet seat" is code for "1 ton bomb guidance system to be shipped to somewhere it shouldn't be" or "rocket motor for an ejection seat for a super top secret plane".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Be nice to know where those orders for $ 20,000 toilet seats are coming out of .
It 'd be nice to know what those $ 20,000 toilet seats really are- they ai n't toilet seats .
It 's basically fraud/money laundering ; the $ 19980 goes somewhere else , or " toilet seat " is code for " 1 ton bomb guidance system to be shipped to somewhere it should n't be " or " rocket motor for an ejection seat for a super top secret plane " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Be nice to know where those orders for $20,000 toilet seats are coming out of.
It'd be nice to know what those $20,000 toilet seats really are- they ain't toilet seats.
It's basically fraud/money laundering; the $19980 goes somewhere else, or "toilet seat" is code for "1 ton bomb guidance system to be shipped to somewhere it shouldn't be" or "rocket motor for an ejection seat for a super top secret plane".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28556719</id>
	<title>An actual example</title>
	<author>caution live frogs</author>
	<datestamp>1246544640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Given that I work for the government, and have to deal with the IT spending regulations, I thought you all might like an actual example of how this works.</p><p>Scenario: The keyboard I am using broke. I want a new keyboard. Our tech checks our budget and finds we have some IT money. (Any IT spending has to be earmarked as such, when requesting grant money to begin with; if we have no IT money we can't buy anything computer related, no matter how much actual cash we have left to spend total.)</p><p>I pick the keyboard I want (Apple wired keyboard, with number pad - because according to our CIO Bluetooth is a "wireless device" and thus can't be allowed in the building for fear someone will steal my precious data).</p><p>Our tech submits a request for purchase. The minions in the purchasing department check the request, check our budget, and then if everything is kosher they submit it for bids using a government ordering website.</p><p>Approved companies make bids based on the equipment requested. "Approved" means any company vetted by the government to be a company that does not support or have dealings with enemies of the US, and companies that are minority-owned or woman-owned or qualify for some other feel-good-PC affirmative-action equal-opportunity category-owned are preferred. If an approved company exists which can make the bid, great. We collect bids. If there is no such company (for example, a supplier exists but is not yet in the approved list) we have more paperwork to get the supplier checked out and added to the list of potential approved companies prior to obtaining bids.</p><p>The lowest bid is generally the one accepted. When this happens, the order is placed. Purchasing arranges payment, the supplier arranges delivery, and in only a short matter of about a month my new keyboard arrives. The paperwork in the end, on our part, was seven or eight sheets of paper including the order forms, the copies of the bids, the budget justifications, etc. (Good thing the Paperwork Reduction Act was implemented, I'd hate to see how bad it was before that!)</p><p>Effectively, what just happened is that I wanted an Apple keyboard, so the federal government paid a third party to place an order with Apple to ship the keyboard to me. The packing slip even had the Apple Store order number included. Same thing happens when we want a Dell or an HP computer - a third party places the order with Dell or HP, we can't simply call up Apple or Dell or HP and make the order ourselves, because if we did that, the third-party supplier wouldn't be able to take a cut of the costs.</p><p>Because of this, we quite often have problems when we want specific items, such as customizing computers to meet specific needs. Or, in my case, desiring a keyboard with a number pad. I am now the proud owner of a government-purchased Apple keyboard, sans number pad, thanks to the federal IT purchasing process. Forget about returning it - that would take even more paperwork than the ordering did.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Given that I work for the government , and have to deal with the IT spending regulations , I thought you all might like an actual example of how this works.Scenario : The keyboard I am using broke .
I want a new keyboard .
Our tech checks our budget and finds we have some IT money .
( Any IT spending has to be earmarked as such , when requesting grant money to begin with ; if we have no IT money we ca n't buy anything computer related , no matter how much actual cash we have left to spend total .
) I pick the keyboard I want ( Apple wired keyboard , with number pad - because according to our CIO Bluetooth is a " wireless device " and thus ca n't be allowed in the building for fear someone will steal my precious data ) .Our tech submits a request for purchase .
The minions in the purchasing department check the request , check our budget , and then if everything is kosher they submit it for bids using a government ordering website.Approved companies make bids based on the equipment requested .
" Approved " means any company vetted by the government to be a company that does not support or have dealings with enemies of the US , and companies that are minority-owned or woman-owned or qualify for some other feel-good-PC affirmative-action equal-opportunity category-owned are preferred .
If an approved company exists which can make the bid , great .
We collect bids .
If there is no such company ( for example , a supplier exists but is not yet in the approved list ) we have more paperwork to get the supplier checked out and added to the list of potential approved companies prior to obtaining bids.The lowest bid is generally the one accepted .
When this happens , the order is placed .
Purchasing arranges payment , the supplier arranges delivery , and in only a short matter of about a month my new keyboard arrives .
The paperwork in the end , on our part , was seven or eight sheets of paper including the order forms , the copies of the bids , the budget justifications , etc .
( Good thing the Paperwork Reduction Act was implemented , I 'd hate to see how bad it was before that !
) Effectively , what just happened is that I wanted an Apple keyboard , so the federal government paid a third party to place an order with Apple to ship the keyboard to me .
The packing slip even had the Apple Store order number included .
Same thing happens when we want a Dell or an HP computer - a third party places the order with Dell or HP , we ca n't simply call up Apple or Dell or HP and make the order ourselves , because if we did that , the third-party supplier would n't be able to take a cut of the costs.Because of this , we quite often have problems when we want specific items , such as customizing computers to meet specific needs .
Or , in my case , desiring a keyboard with a number pad .
I am now the proud owner of a government-purchased Apple keyboard , sans number pad , thanks to the federal IT purchasing process .
Forget about returning it - that would take even more paperwork than the ordering did .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Given that I work for the government, and have to deal with the IT spending regulations, I thought you all might like an actual example of how this works.Scenario: The keyboard I am using broke.
I want a new keyboard.
Our tech checks our budget and finds we have some IT money.
(Any IT spending has to be earmarked as such, when requesting grant money to begin with; if we have no IT money we can't buy anything computer related, no matter how much actual cash we have left to spend total.
)I pick the keyboard I want (Apple wired keyboard, with number pad - because according to our CIO Bluetooth is a "wireless device" and thus can't be allowed in the building for fear someone will steal my precious data).Our tech submits a request for purchase.
The minions in the purchasing department check the request, check our budget, and then if everything is kosher they submit it for bids using a government ordering website.Approved companies make bids based on the equipment requested.
"Approved" means any company vetted by the government to be a company that does not support or have dealings with enemies of the US, and companies that are minority-owned or woman-owned or qualify for some other feel-good-PC affirmative-action equal-opportunity category-owned are preferred.
If an approved company exists which can make the bid, great.
We collect bids.
If there is no such company (for example, a supplier exists but is not yet in the approved list) we have more paperwork to get the supplier checked out and added to the list of potential approved companies prior to obtaining bids.The lowest bid is generally the one accepted.
When this happens, the order is placed.
Purchasing arranges payment, the supplier arranges delivery, and in only a short matter of about a month my new keyboard arrives.
The paperwork in the end, on our part, was seven or eight sheets of paper including the order forms, the copies of the bids, the budget justifications, etc.
(Good thing the Paperwork Reduction Act was implemented, I'd hate to see how bad it was before that!
)Effectively, what just happened is that I wanted an Apple keyboard, so the federal government paid a third party to place an order with Apple to ship the keyboard to me.
The packing slip even had the Apple Store order number included.
Same thing happens when we want a Dell or an HP computer - a third party places the order with Dell or HP, we can't simply call up Apple or Dell or HP and make the order ourselves, because if we did that, the third-party supplier wouldn't be able to take a cut of the costs.Because of this, we quite often have problems when we want specific items, such as customizing computers to meet specific needs.
Or, in my case, desiring a keyboard with a number pad.
I am now the proud owner of a government-purchased Apple keyboard, sans number pad, thanks to the federal IT purchasing process.
Forget about returning it - that would take even more paperwork than the ordering did.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28543097</id>
	<title>campaign funds</title>
	<author>codepunk</author>
	<datestamp>1246466280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But where would the campaign funds come from then? A 1099 is not going to donate millions of dollars to political campaigns every year.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But where would the campaign funds come from then ?
A 1099 is not going to donate millions of dollars to political campaigns every year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But where would the campaign funds come from then?
A 1099 is not going to donate millions of dollars to political campaigns every year.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28556219</id>
	<title>3 cheers for transparency</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246541460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is great! Finally we get to see all of the smiths that get federal dollars. (Did anyone notice the negitive amounts by various smiths? WTF?)</p><p>I can't do anything directly with the info but it's extremely refreshing to see that it's here available for all to see.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is great !
Finally we get to see all of the smiths that get federal dollars .
( Did anyone notice the negitive amounts by various smiths ?
WTF ? ) I ca n't do anything directly with the info but it 's extremely refreshing to see that it 's here available for all to see .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is great!
Finally we get to see all of the smiths that get federal dollars.
(Did anyone notice the negitive amounts by various smiths?
WTF?)I can't do anything directly with the info but it's extremely refreshing to see that it's here available for all to see.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28546511</id>
	<title>Re:Okay what about military, etc?</title>
	<author>rsborg</author>
	<datestamp>1246476180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The 20k toilet seat. Wasn't because company A sold it to the government for 20k. It was from all the bureaucracy that went to approve it.</p></div></blockquote><p>By this kind of calculation, any person we hire at any company I've worked at in the past several years would have been paying $25k+ per employee they hired (with an average hiring lead-time that takes 3-6mo), which for some staff would amount to 1/2 to 1/4 of their yearly salary.</p><p>Another similarity is the insane process in one of my former companies for acquiring external software that we didn't have site-licenses for: I would say it took $1000+ of worker-time to acquire a $99 license... so did we pay thousands for a hundred-dollar software license?</p><p>This kind of math is way off.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The 20k toilet seat .
Was n't because company A sold it to the government for 20k .
It was from all the bureaucracy that went to approve it.By this kind of calculation , any person we hire at any company I 've worked at in the past several years would have been paying $ 25k + per employee they hired ( with an average hiring lead-time that takes 3-6mo ) , which for some staff would amount to 1/2 to 1/4 of their yearly salary.Another similarity is the insane process in one of my former companies for acquiring external software that we did n't have site-licenses for : I would say it took $ 1000 + of worker-time to acquire a $ 99 license... so did we pay thousands for a hundred-dollar software license ? This kind of math is way off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The 20k toilet seat.
Wasn't because company A sold it to the government for 20k.
It was from all the bureaucracy that went to approve it.By this kind of calculation, any person we hire at any company I've worked at in the past several years would have been paying $25k+ per employee they hired (with an average hiring lead-time that takes 3-6mo), which for some staff would amount to 1/2 to 1/4 of their yearly salary.Another similarity is the insane process in one of my former companies for acquiring external software that we didn't have site-licenses for: I would say it took $1000+ of worker-time to acquire a $99 license... so did we pay thousands for a hundred-dollar software license?This kind of math is way off.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28540821</id>
	<title>I'm Not Going to Lie</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246454880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>This data really upsets me.  From the <a href="http://www.usaspending.gov/faads/tables.php?tabtype=t2&amp;subtype=t&amp;year=2009" title="usaspending.gov" rel="nofollow">top 100 recipients this year</a> [usaspending.gov]:<p><div class="quote"><p>2	NEW YORK STATE DEPT OF HEALTH	NY	$18,335,672,042	Percent of total: 5.764\%<br>
3	TEXAS HEALTH &amp; HUMAN SERVICES COMMISSION	TX	$13,514,862,175	Percent of total: 4.248\%<br>
4	PENNSYLVANIA DEPT OF PUBLIC WELFARE	PA	$11,168,181,944	Percent of total: 3.511\%</p></div><p>The other states fall in at around or less than 1\%.  I understand those states are high population but that should mean more tax income to the state.  So you're telling me that someone who lives in Minnesota is paying Federal taxes to support New York Health Dept and Texas Human Services Dept?  I <i>really</i> don't like that when states like Texas are all about "smaller government" and "lower taxes" or that people flock to NYC to be at the "center of the world" yet their taxes don't reflect that cost and other states pick it up.  So what, you just shift your debt off to other states and freeload on Federal relief?  From the data, around 2007 this started becoming a huge disparity between states.  Why?  You switched to Vista?  Ridiculous.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This data really upsets me .
From the top 100 recipients this year [ usaspending.gov ] : 2 NEW YORK STATE DEPT OF HEALTH NY $ 18,335,672,042 Percent of total : 5.764 \ % 3 TEXAS HEALTH &amp; HUMAN SERVICES COMMISSION TX $ 13,514,862,175 Percent of total : 4.248 \ % 4 PENNSYLVANIA DEPT OF PUBLIC WELFARE PA $ 11,168,181,944 Percent of total : 3.511 \ % The other states fall in at around or less than 1 \ % .
I understand those states are high population but that should mean more tax income to the state .
So you 're telling me that someone who lives in Minnesota is paying Federal taxes to support New York Health Dept and Texas Human Services Dept ?
I really do n't like that when states like Texas are all about " smaller government " and " lower taxes " or that people flock to NYC to be at the " center of the world " yet their taxes do n't reflect that cost and other states pick it up .
So what , you just shift your debt off to other states and freeload on Federal relief ?
From the data , around 2007 this started becoming a huge disparity between states .
Why ? You switched to Vista ?
Ridiculous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This data really upsets me.
From the top 100 recipients this year [usaspending.gov]:2	NEW YORK STATE DEPT OF HEALTH	NY	$18,335,672,042	Percent of total: 5.764\%
3	TEXAS HEALTH &amp; HUMAN SERVICES COMMISSION	TX	$13,514,862,175	Percent of total: 4.248\%
4	PENNSYLVANIA DEPT OF PUBLIC WELFARE	PA	$11,168,181,944	Percent of total: 3.511\%The other states fall in at around or less than 1\%.
I understand those states are high population but that should mean more tax income to the state.
So you're telling me that someone who lives in Minnesota is paying Federal taxes to support New York Health Dept and Texas Human Services Dept?
I really don't like that when states like Texas are all about "smaller government" and "lower taxes" or that people flock to NYC to be at the "center of the world" yet their taxes don't reflect that cost and other states pick it up.
So what, you just shift your debt off to other states and freeload on Federal relief?
From the data, around 2007 this started becoming a huge disparity between states.
Why?  You switched to Vista?
Ridiculous.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28542287</id>
	<title>Re:Okay what about military, etc?</title>
	<author>ground.zero.612</author>
	<datestamp>1246462920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Be nice to know where those orders for $20,000 toilet seats are coming out of.</p></div><p>
Space Shuttle? ISS? Just guessing here, but I'm quite sure everything built for space missions cost orders of magnitude more than their earthly counterparts.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Be nice to know where those orders for $ 20,000 toilet seats are coming out of .
Space Shuttle ?
ISS ? Just guessing here , but I 'm quite sure everything built for space missions cost orders of magnitude more than their earthly counterparts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Be nice to know where those orders for $20,000 toilet seats are coming out of.
Space Shuttle?
ISS? Just guessing here, but I'm quite sure everything built for space missions cost orders of magnitude more than their earthly counterparts.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28541365</id>
	<title>Re:Okay what about military, etc?</title>
	<author>SeeSp0tRun</author>
	<datestamp>1246458420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is ironic that the GG is criticizing it for not having subcontractors yet.  What about all the Contractors in other governmental budgets?  Our budget should be fairly transparent, considering I know I pay taxes, am a legal resident/citizen, and live in one of the most tax-heavy states...
<br>
<br>
This is a good step in the right direction, now we just need to see this trend spread to other areas.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is ironic that the GG is criticizing it for not having subcontractors yet .
What about all the Contractors in other governmental budgets ?
Our budget should be fairly transparent , considering I know I pay taxes , am a legal resident/citizen , and live in one of the most tax-heavy states.. . This is a good step in the right direction , now we just need to see this trend spread to other areas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is ironic that the GG is criticizing it for not having subcontractors yet.
What about all the Contractors in other governmental budgets?
Our budget should be fairly transparent, considering I know I pay taxes, am a legal resident/citizen, and live in one of the most tax-heavy states...


This is a good step in the right direction, now we just need to see this trend spread to other areas.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28542499</id>
	<title>Re:An easy way to cut costs</title>
	<author>nospam007</author>
	<datestamp>1246463880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> <i>instead of having a highly paid government program manager directly control the contractors.</i></p></div> </blockquote><p>I see the newspaper quotes already:</p><p>"Highly paid government program manager in bed with hookers and contractors!"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>instead of having a highly paid government program manager directly control the contractors .
I see the newspaper quotes already : " Highly paid government program manager in bed with hookers and contractors !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext> instead of having a highly paid government program manager directly control the contractors.
I see the newspaper quotes already:"Highly paid government program manager in bed with hookers and contractors!
"
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28545485</id>
	<title>Flash, great</title>
	<author>ThatsNotPudding</author>
	<datestamp>1246473240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good to know even the 'new bosses' are in the pocket of proprietary software monopolies.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good to know even the 'new bosses ' are in the pocket of proprietary software monopolies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good to know even the 'new bosses' are in the pocket of proprietary software monopolies.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28540965</id>
	<title>Re:Okay what about military, etc?</title>
	<author>poetmatt</author>
	<datestamp>1246455900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You are dead on. What I'm hoping, is that like bad laws, they will use this to creep up the tracking on everything else as well. One can only hope though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You are dead on .
What I 'm hoping , is that like bad laws , they will use this to creep up the tracking on everything else as well .
One can only hope though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You are dead on.
What I'm hoping, is that like bad laws, they will use this to creep up the tracking on everything else as well.
One can only hope though.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28556771</id>
	<title>Re:Okay what about military, etc?</title>
	<author>BoothbyTCD</author>
	<datestamp>1246545000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The '20k toilet seat' was actually more like 'complete toilet enclosure for a submarine', but that doesn't stop this meme from circulating.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The '20k toilet seat ' was actually more like 'complete toilet enclosure for a submarine ' , but that does n't stop this meme from circulating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The '20k toilet seat' was actually more like 'complete toilet enclosure for a submarine', but that doesn't stop this meme from circulating.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_07_01_0032230.28541467</id>
	<title>Re:I'm Not Going to Lie</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246459080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a native NYian are taxes here are on of the highest in the nation. So imagine how we feel when we pay high state taxes then ontop of that 30\%+ to the feds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a native NYian are taxes here are on of the highest in the nation .
So imagine how we feel when we pay high state taxes then ontop of that 30 \ % + to the feds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a native NYian are taxes here are on of the highest in the nation.
So imagine how we feel when we pay high state taxes then ontop of that 30\%+ to the feds.</sentencetext>
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