<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_30_197212</id>
	<title>SoftMaker Office 2008 vs. OpenOffice.org 3.1</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1246353060000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.infoworld.com/" rel="nofollow">snydeq</a> writes <i>"InfoWorld's Randall Kennedy <a href="http://infoworld.com/d/applications/better-office-alternative-softmaker-office-bests-openofficeorg-445">examines would-be Microsoft Office competitors SoftMaker Office and OpenOffice.org</a> and finds the results surprising. OpenOffice.org &mdash; frequently cited as the most viable Office competitor &mdash; has pushed for Office interoperability in version 3.1, adding import support for files in Office 2007's native Open XML format. But, as Kennedy found in <a href="http://www.infoworld.com/d/applications/office-compatibility-torture-test-302">Office-compatibility testing</a>, that support remains mostly skin deep. 'Factor in OpenOffice's other well-documented warts &mdash; buggy Java implementation, CPU-hogging auto-update system, quirky font rendering &mdash; and it's easy to see why the vast majority of IT shops continue to reject this pretender to the <a href="http://www.infoworld.com/d/applications/why-microsoft-office-so-hard-kill-264">Microsoft Office throne</a>,' Kennedy writes. SoftMaker Office, however, 'shows that good things often still come in small packages.' Geared more toward mobile computing, the suite's 'compact footprint and low overhead make it ideal for underpowered systems, and its excellent compatibility with Office 2003 file formats means it's a safe choice for heterogeneous environments where external data access isn't a priority.'"</i> Note that SoftMaker Office is not free software &mdash; it costs $79.95 &mdash; and there is no version for Macintosh.</htmltext>
<tokenext>snydeq writes " InfoWorld 's Randall Kennedy examines would-be Microsoft Office competitors SoftMaker Office and OpenOffice.org and finds the results surprising .
OpenOffice.org    frequently cited as the most viable Office competitor    has pushed for Office interoperability in version 3.1 , adding import support for files in Office 2007 's native Open XML format .
But , as Kennedy found in Office-compatibility testing , that support remains mostly skin deep .
'Factor in OpenOffice 's other well-documented warts    buggy Java implementation , CPU-hogging auto-update system , quirky font rendering    and it 's easy to see why the vast majority of IT shops continue to reject this pretender to the Microsoft Office throne, ' Kennedy writes .
SoftMaker Office , however , 'shows that good things often still come in small packages .
' Geared more toward mobile computing , the suite 's 'compact footprint and low overhead make it ideal for underpowered systems , and its excellent compatibility with Office 2003 file formats means it 's a safe choice for heterogeneous environments where external data access is n't a priority .
' " Note that SoftMaker Office is not free software    it costs $ 79.95    and there is no version for Macintosh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>snydeq writes "InfoWorld's Randall Kennedy examines would-be Microsoft Office competitors SoftMaker Office and OpenOffice.org and finds the results surprising.
OpenOffice.org — frequently cited as the most viable Office competitor — has pushed for Office interoperability in version 3.1, adding import support for files in Office 2007's native Open XML format.
But, as Kennedy found in Office-compatibility testing, that support remains mostly skin deep.
'Factor in OpenOffice's other well-documented warts — buggy Java implementation, CPU-hogging auto-update system, quirky font rendering — and it's easy to see why the vast majority of IT shops continue to reject this pretender to the Microsoft Office throne,' Kennedy writes.
SoftMaker Office, however, 'shows that good things often still come in small packages.
' Geared more toward mobile computing, the suite's 'compact footprint and low overhead make it ideal for underpowered systems, and its excellent compatibility with Office 2003 file formats means it's a safe choice for heterogeneous environments where external data access isn't a priority.
'" Note that SoftMaker Office is not free software — it costs $79.95 — and there is no version for Macintosh.</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28537697</id>
	<title>They All suck.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246374180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've used MS-Word since 1989. It gets confused sometimes.  A few months ago, it got confused over header formats and wouldn't let me correct them. Word Sucks.</p><p>I've used OpenOffice extensively the last year trying to convert our small company over.  We can't open and work on the same documents in either Word or Excel - the formatting gets screwed between MS and OO systems.  Reviewing fails terribly.</p><p>ABIword isn't compatible enough with either solutions.</p><p>Bottom line - all our customers use MS-Office, so complaining that they don't/can't support OpenOffice is counter productive.  MS-Office sucks, but at least we are "all in this together" and made at MS **together**. That is a bonding experience with our customers.</p><p>Don't get me wrong, I'm a Linux guy - my desktop is Linux and I have 12 Linux xen VMs running now.  I boot WinXP in a VM to run MS-Office (and Visio) - nothing else. But it isn't worth the trouble (time/money) to **not** use MS-Office.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've used MS-Word since 1989 .
It gets confused sometimes .
A few months ago , it got confused over header formats and would n't let me correct them .
Word Sucks.I 've used OpenOffice extensively the last year trying to convert our small company over .
We ca n't open and work on the same documents in either Word or Excel - the formatting gets screwed between MS and OO systems .
Reviewing fails terribly.ABIword is n't compatible enough with either solutions.Bottom line - all our customers use MS-Office , so complaining that they do n't/ca n't support OpenOffice is counter productive .
MS-Office sucks , but at least we are " all in this together " and made at MS * * together * * .
That is a bonding experience with our customers.Do n't get me wrong , I 'm a Linux guy - my desktop is Linux and I have 12 Linux xen VMs running now .
I boot WinXP in a VM to run MS-Office ( and Visio ) - nothing else .
But it is n't worth the trouble ( time/money ) to * * not * * use MS-Office .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've used MS-Word since 1989.
It gets confused sometimes.
A few months ago, it got confused over header formats and wouldn't let me correct them.
Word Sucks.I've used OpenOffice extensively the last year trying to convert our small company over.
We can't open and work on the same documents in either Word or Excel - the formatting gets screwed between MS and OO systems.
Reviewing fails terribly.ABIword isn't compatible enough with either solutions.Bottom line - all our customers use MS-Office, so complaining that they don't/can't support OpenOffice is counter productive.
MS-Office sucks, but at least we are "all in this together" and made at MS **together**.
That is a bonding experience with our customers.Don't get me wrong, I'm a Linux guy - my desktop is Linux and I have 12 Linux xen VMs running now.
I boot WinXP in a VM to run MS-Office (and Visio) - nothing else.
But it isn't worth the trouble (time/money) to **not** use MS-Office.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535057</id>
	<title>Scores: OpenOffice 7.4 vs SoftMaker 7.7</title>
	<author>InsertWittyNameHere</author>
	<datestamp>1246357740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All that OpenOffice bashing and SoftMaker Office boasting and there's only a negligible scoring difference between them?</p><p>From reading the article you'd think OpenOffice was crap (less than 5) and SoftMaker Office was the greatest thing next to sliced bread (8+)...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All that OpenOffice bashing and SoftMaker Office boasting and there 's only a negligible scoring difference between them ? From reading the article you 'd think OpenOffice was crap ( less than 5 ) and SoftMaker Office was the greatest thing next to sliced bread ( 8 + ) .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All that OpenOffice bashing and SoftMaker Office boasting and there's only a negligible scoring difference between them?From reading the article you'd think OpenOffice was crap (less than 5) and SoftMaker Office was the greatest thing next to sliced bread (8+)...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535485</id>
	<title>Microsoft will Nurture SoftMaker</title>
	<author>bugs2squash</author>
	<datestamp>1246360140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If they have any sense. Not only does it shield them a little from euro trust-busting legislation, but it also propagates MS proprietary file formats and breeds developers that are familiar with them. None of these things is bad for MS in the long run. A near toothless competitor is a godsend to MS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If they have any sense .
Not only does it shield them a little from euro trust-busting legislation , but it also propagates MS proprietary file formats and breeds developers that are familiar with them .
None of these things is bad for MS in the long run .
A near toothless competitor is a godsend to MS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they have any sense.
Not only does it shield them a little from euro trust-busting legislation, but it also propagates MS proprietary file formats and breeds developers that are familiar with them.
None of these things is bad for MS in the long run.
A near toothless competitor is a godsend to MS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535879</id>
	<title>No version for Macintosh??!</title>
	<author>Farhood</author>
	<datestamp>1246362240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pssht......remind me why I'm reading this?</p><p>sent from my iPhone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pssht......remind me why I 'm reading this ? sent from my iPhone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pssht......remind me why I'm reading this?sent from my iPhone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28538509</id>
	<title>Re:Slashvertisment</title>
	<author>Tablizer</author>
	<datestamp>1246382220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> Either I am really stupid (which is possible I won't deny it), or this is clearly a hidden advertisement on Slashdot for SoftMaker Office.</p></div> </blockquote><p>Keep in mind that these are not necessarily mutually-exclusive conditions<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-)<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Either I am really stupid ( which is possible I wo n't deny it ) , or this is clearly a hidden advertisement on Slashdot for SoftMaker Office .
Keep in mind that these are not necessarily mutually-exclusive conditions ; - )            </tokentext>
<sentencetext> Either I am really stupid (which is possible I won't deny it), or this is clearly a hidden advertisement on Slashdot for SoftMaker Office.
Keep in mind that these are not necessarily mutually-exclusive conditions ;-)
           
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535107</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28548079</id>
	<title>Re:Buggy Java implementation... NOT</title>
	<author>sorak</author>
	<datestamp>1246481220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it is C++ then why does it require you to install Java during install?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it is C + + then why does it require you to install Java during install ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it is C++ then why does it require you to install Java during install?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535653</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535229</id>
	<title>Evermore is another.</title>
	<author>LikwidCirkel</author>
	<datestamp>1246358760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've only tried Evermore Office, which is a near-perfect Chinese MS Clone that retails for $15 or $50 for the enterprise version.  It even runs on Linux and possibly Mac.  It works for me, but I still keep wishing there were a better free solution, because I really don't like OpenOffice.org, but I still use it for basic stuff.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've only tried Evermore Office , which is a near-perfect Chinese MS Clone that retails for $ 15 or $ 50 for the enterprise version .
It even runs on Linux and possibly Mac .
It works for me , but I still keep wishing there were a better free solution , because I really do n't like OpenOffice.org , but I still use it for basic stuff .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've only tried Evermore Office, which is a near-perfect Chinese MS Clone that retails for $15 or $50 for the enterprise version.
It even runs on Linux and possibly Mac.
It works for me, but I still keep wishing there were a better free solution, because I really don't like OpenOffice.org, but I still use it for basic stuff.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28540117</id>
	<title>Not free</title>
	<author>muzicman</author>
	<datestamp>1246445820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>If it isn't free I am not buying it...... Wait a sec...</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it is n't free I am not buying it...... Wait a sec.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it isn't free I am not buying it...... Wait a sec...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28536269</id>
	<title>Re:IBM Symphony</title>
	<author>binarylarry</author>
	<datestamp>1246364160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's also... OpenOffice.org based.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's also... OpenOffice.org based .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's also... OpenOffice.org based.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535095</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28539799</id>
	<title>They used to have it for FreeBSD</title>
	<author>synthespian</author>
	<datestamp>1246441800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A couple of years ago, they made a version for FreeBSD, and I used it all the time and it was better than OpenOffice, which had too many bugs for my taste.</p><p>Since they stopped putting out a version for FreeBSD, I went back to OpenOffice.</p><p>It's really too bad they stopped making a version for FreeBSD, because, with the linux emulation layer (where one can choose Fedora libraries, for instance), it should be really easy for them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A couple of years ago , they made a version for FreeBSD , and I used it all the time and it was better than OpenOffice , which had too many bugs for my taste.Since they stopped putting out a version for FreeBSD , I went back to OpenOffice.It 's really too bad they stopped making a version for FreeBSD , because , with the linux emulation layer ( where one can choose Fedora libraries , for instance ) , it should be really easy for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A couple of years ago, they made a version for FreeBSD, and I used it all the time and it was better than OpenOffice, which had too many bugs for my taste.Since they stopped putting out a version for FreeBSD, I went back to OpenOffice.It's really too bad they stopped making a version for FreeBSD, because, with the linux emulation layer (where one can choose Fedora libraries, for instance), it should be really easy for them.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28536713</id>
	<title>Re:Why so few contenders?</title>
	<author>stabiesoft</author>
	<datestamp>1246366620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember our tech pubs person had lots of problems with microsoft on large docs. We always used frame maker. Not cheap, but very nice for large stuff. I never saw it burp. I have used it for over a decade and even pony'ed up the $'s for a personal copy. Recently I've tried OO, but I find the formatting non-intuitive compared to frame, so not a fan of OO either. Probably because it is too much like word.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember our tech pubs person had lots of problems with microsoft on large docs .
We always used frame maker .
Not cheap , but very nice for large stuff .
I never saw it burp .
I have used it for over a decade and even pony'ed up the $ 's for a personal copy .
Recently I 've tried OO , but I find the formatting non-intuitive compared to frame , so not a fan of OO either .
Probably because it is too much like word .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember our tech pubs person had lots of problems with microsoft on large docs.
We always used frame maker.
Not cheap, but very nice for large stuff.
I never saw it burp.
I have used it for over a decade and even pony'ed up the $'s for a personal copy.
Recently I've tried OO, but I find the formatting non-intuitive compared to frame, so not a fan of OO either.
Probably because it is too much like word.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535765</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28537601</id>
	<title>Re:Why so few contenders?</title>
	<author>ichthyoboy</author>
	<datestamp>1246373580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I do all of my word processing in OpenOffice, and only check the output in Word for compatibility with the rest of my lab.  Oo.o has many of the strengths that you say are only found in Word...<p><div class="quote"><p>It has the best/most complete offering for tables</p></div><p>I've made plenty of complex tables in Oo.o.  The only problem I've found is that when a file is saved as a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc and opened in Word, tables look horrendous.  That's why I always save as<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.odt and use the ODT plugin for Word.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>little things like line and paragraph numbering in the margin (you don't think about that until you need it--and only Word has it, as far as I know)</p></div><p>In Oo.o Writer, line numbers are as simple as Tools-&gt;Line Numbers.  I've not needed paragraph numbering, but I'm sure it's possible...</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Oh, and don't forget total control of keyboard shortcuts.</p></div><p>Tools-&gt;Customize-&gt;Keyboard.  Customize to your heart's content...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do all of my word processing in OpenOffice , and only check the output in Word for compatibility with the rest of my lab .
Oo.o has many of the strengths that you say are only found in Word...It has the best/most complete offering for tablesI 've made plenty of complex tables in Oo.o .
The only problem I 've found is that when a file is saved as a .doc and opened in Word , tables look horrendous .
That 's why I always save as .odt and use the ODT plugin for Word.little things like line and paragraph numbering in the margin ( you do n't think about that until you need it--and only Word has it , as far as I know ) In Oo.o Writer , line numbers are as simple as Tools- &gt; Line Numbers .
I 've not needed paragraph numbering , but I 'm sure it 's possible...Oh , and do n't forget total control of keyboard shortcuts.Tools- &gt; Customize- &gt; Keyboard .
Customize to your heart 's content.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do all of my word processing in OpenOffice, and only check the output in Word for compatibility with the rest of my lab.
Oo.o has many of the strengths that you say are only found in Word...It has the best/most complete offering for tablesI've made plenty of complex tables in Oo.o.
The only problem I've found is that when a file is saved as a .doc and opened in Word, tables look horrendous.
That's why I always save as .odt and use the ODT plugin for Word.little things like line and paragraph numbering in the margin (you don't think about that until you need it--and only Word has it, as far as I know)In Oo.o Writer, line numbers are as simple as Tools-&gt;Line Numbers.
I've not needed paragraph numbering, but I'm sure it's possible...Oh, and don't forget total control of keyboard shortcuts.Tools-&gt;Customize-&gt;Keyboard.
Customize to your heart's content...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535765</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535825</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1246361940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is a valid concern, but is not really an issue with the office suite.  If the goal is consistent display across products, this will never happen with any office product.  There is simply little incentive.  Any software developer is going to want all users to use their product, at the latest version.   There is almost no incentive to build interoperability outside of the proprietary suite.  This is the primary reason why I stopped using MS Office.  I would send stuff out, and people, who were using a more recent version, could not read my files.  Since they were the customer, it was my responsibility to upgrade, but I did not have the money.  The solution was to move OO.org which was more likely to be able to write files in whatever version of MS Office the customer was using.
<p>
The issue really is the state of MS Office as a defacto standard, which really never really existed because there is no cross platform year after year guarantee that files will remain accessible.  The way to insure that formating will remain constant across platform and through time, at least so far, is the PDF file.  I laugh every time I get a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc memo.  I think how simple it would be to change the memo slightly, spoof the address, and get someone in trouble.  MS Office security is not nearly as secure as Adobe PDF.
</p><p>
Back to the subject.  PDF is a better way to exchange files, as long as they do not need to be edited.  MS can provide a superior solution where files are edited.  HTML is also good for distribution of files.  I have also taken to converting my presentations into HTML or flash.  Again, I see all these presentations on the web.  Change the presentation, hack, upload, frivolity ensues.
</p><p>
My current situation is that I have machines that run MS Office 2003, and other runs later versions.  The later versions tend to bork the 2003 files, and I will not even deal with the later version in 2003.  I have OO.org installed, and if 2003 will not work I use OO.org.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a valid concern , but is not really an issue with the office suite .
If the goal is consistent display across products , this will never happen with any office product .
There is simply little incentive .
Any software developer is going to want all users to use their product , at the latest version .
There is almost no incentive to build interoperability outside of the proprietary suite .
This is the primary reason why I stopped using MS Office .
I would send stuff out , and people , who were using a more recent version , could not read my files .
Since they were the customer , it was my responsibility to upgrade , but I did not have the money .
The solution was to move OO.org which was more likely to be able to write files in whatever version of MS Office the customer was using .
The issue really is the state of MS Office as a defacto standard , which really never really existed because there is no cross platform year after year guarantee that files will remain accessible .
The way to insure that formating will remain constant across platform and through time , at least so far , is the PDF file .
I laugh every time I get a .doc memo .
I think how simple it would be to change the memo slightly , spoof the address , and get someone in trouble .
MS Office security is not nearly as secure as Adobe PDF .
Back to the subject .
PDF is a better way to exchange files , as long as they do not need to be edited .
MS can provide a superior solution where files are edited .
HTML is also good for distribution of files .
I have also taken to converting my presentations into HTML or flash .
Again , I see all these presentations on the web .
Change the presentation , hack , upload , frivolity ensues .
My current situation is that I have machines that run MS Office 2003 , and other runs later versions .
The later versions tend to bork the 2003 files , and I will not even deal with the later version in 2003 .
I have OO.org installed , and if 2003 will not work I use OO.org .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a valid concern, but is not really an issue with the office suite.
If the goal is consistent display across products, this will never happen with any office product.
There is simply little incentive.
Any software developer is going to want all users to use their product, at the latest version.
There is almost no incentive to build interoperability outside of the proprietary suite.
This is the primary reason why I stopped using MS Office.
I would send stuff out, and people, who were using a more recent version, could not read my files.
Since they were the customer, it was my responsibility to upgrade, but I did not have the money.
The solution was to move OO.org which was more likely to be able to write files in whatever version of MS Office the customer was using.
The issue really is the state of MS Office as a defacto standard, which really never really existed because there is no cross platform year after year guarantee that files will remain accessible.
The way to insure that formating will remain constant across platform and through time, at least so far, is the PDF file.
I laugh every time I get a .doc memo.
I think how simple it would be to change the memo slightly, spoof the address, and get someone in trouble.
MS Office security is not nearly as secure as Adobe PDF.
Back to the subject.
PDF is a better way to exchange files, as long as they do not need to be edited.
MS can provide a superior solution where files are edited.
HTML is also good for distribution of files.
I have also taken to converting my presentations into HTML or flash.
Again, I see all these presentations on the web.
Change the presentation, hack, upload, frivolity ensues.
My current situation is that I have machines that run MS Office 2003, and other runs later versions.
The later versions tend to bork the 2003 files, and I will not even deal with the later version in 2003.
I have OO.org installed, and if 2003 will not work I use OO.org.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28534921</id>
	<title>History</title>
	<author>googlesmith123</author>
	<datestamp>1246356960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>One of the coolest things about german Softmaker is the software they made for the old Windows CE platforms like my old HPC &#239;HP Jornada 680. This included Word that could actually edit MS Word files and Excel that did something more than just display data.</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the coolest things about german Softmaker is the software they made for the old Windows CE platforms like my old HPC   HP Jornada 680 .
This included Word that could actually edit MS Word files and Excel that did something more than just display data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the coolest things about german Softmaker is the software they made for the old Windows CE platforms like my old HPC ïHP Jornada 680.
This included Word that could actually edit MS Word files and Excel that did something more than just display data.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535115</id>
	<title>Skin deep?</title>
	<author>DrXym</author>
	<datestamp>1246358100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I haven't had any trouble with any MS Office files I've thrown at OpenOffice. Granted I mostly open MS Word documents but they've all opened fine. Far more impressive to me was when I dug out an MS Office for Mac file from about 15 years ago and THAT opened in OpenOffice even though MS Word for Windows wouldn't have anything to do with it.
<p>
So while I'm sure there are certain files which don't convert well I've been extremely happy with OpenOffice's support so far. I'm less happy about the general level of bloat and lower level of usability that comes with the product. I can't help wonder who thought it would be a great idea to toss in Python, Java, StarBasic and god knows what other runtimes into this app. There is a very cobbled together feel about the whole thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't had any trouble with any MS Office files I 've thrown at OpenOffice .
Granted I mostly open MS Word documents but they 've all opened fine .
Far more impressive to me was when I dug out an MS Office for Mac file from about 15 years ago and THAT opened in OpenOffice even though MS Word for Windows would n't have anything to do with it .
So while I 'm sure there are certain files which do n't convert well I 've been extremely happy with OpenOffice 's support so far .
I 'm less happy about the general level of bloat and lower level of usability that comes with the product .
I ca n't help wonder who thought it would be a great idea to toss in Python , Java , StarBasic and god knows what other runtimes into this app .
There is a very cobbled together feel about the whole thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't had any trouble with any MS Office files I've thrown at OpenOffice.
Granted I mostly open MS Word documents but they've all opened fine.
Far more impressive to me was when I dug out an MS Office for Mac file from about 15 years ago and THAT opened in OpenOffice even though MS Word for Windows wouldn't have anything to do with it.
So while I'm sure there are certain files which don't convert well I've been extremely happy with OpenOffice's support so far.
I'm less happy about the general level of bloat and lower level of usability that comes with the product.
I can't help wonder who thought it would be a great idea to toss in Python, Java, StarBasic and god knows what other runtimes into this app.
There is a very cobbled together feel about the whole thing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28537999</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246377060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree with that one. At work, we've got both the Mac and Windows versions of MS Office (2003) and even between similar years they don't preserve formatting well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with that one .
At work , we 've got both the Mac and Windows versions of MS Office ( 2003 ) and even between similar years they do n't preserve formatting well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with that one.
At work, we've got both the Mac and Windows versions of MS Office (2003) and even between similar years they don't preserve formatting well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535123</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535541</id>
	<title>Re:Scores: OpenOffice 7.4 vs SoftMaker 7.7</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246360380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed.  Since when was the latest version of MS Office still a contender at all?  That ribbon interface did nothing but make the entire app unusable.  Sure you can talk about file formats but when it comes to usability OO.org at least makes things simple enough that power users aren't forced to relearn basic tasks.</p><p>Ever moved to an English-speaking country and been forced to change how you use the words "and" and "the"... no.  Because they're so friggin basic that people don't change them for compatibility reasons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
Since when was the latest version of MS Office still a contender at all ?
That ribbon interface did nothing but make the entire app unusable .
Sure you can talk about file formats but when it comes to usability OO.org at least makes things simple enough that power users are n't forced to relearn basic tasks.Ever moved to an English-speaking country and been forced to change how you use the words " and " and " the " ... no. Because they 're so friggin basic that people do n't change them for compatibility reasons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
Since when was the latest version of MS Office still a contender at all?
That ribbon interface did nothing but make the entire app unusable.
Sure you can talk about file formats but when it comes to usability OO.org at least makes things simple enough that power users aren't forced to relearn basic tasks.Ever moved to an English-speaking country and been forced to change how you use the words "and" and "the"... no.  Because they're so friggin basic that people don't change them for compatibility reasons.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535057</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28539701</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246440180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you factor in other formats, the problem gets worse. A friend e-mailed me a copy of a letter he had written to our local MP for me to comment. For some reason, he used MS Works to produce the file, and didn't use the MS Word which comes with Works, but instead used the built in Works word processor application.</p><p>After attempting to open the file in two different versions of MS Office and downloading two different file converters from Microsoft without success, I decided as a last resort to try and open it using OpenOffice on my Linux machine, not thinking for a second it was anything but a forlorn exercise. OpenOffice identified it as a Microsoft Office file and opened it without any fuss.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you factor in other formats , the problem gets worse .
A friend e-mailed me a copy of a letter he had written to our local MP for me to comment .
For some reason , he used MS Works to produce the file , and did n't use the MS Word which comes with Works , but instead used the built in Works word processor application.After attempting to open the file in two different versions of MS Office and downloading two different file converters from Microsoft without success , I decided as a last resort to try and open it using OpenOffice on my Linux machine , not thinking for a second it was anything but a forlorn exercise .
OpenOffice identified it as a Microsoft Office file and opened it without any fuss .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you factor in other formats, the problem gets worse.
A friend e-mailed me a copy of a letter he had written to our local MP for me to comment.
For some reason, he used MS Works to produce the file, and didn't use the MS Word which comes with Works, but instead used the built in Works word processor application.After attempting to open the file in two different versions of MS Office and downloading two different file converters from Microsoft without success, I decided as a last resort to try and open it using OpenOffice on my Linux machine, not thinking for a second it was anything but a forlorn exercise.
OpenOffice identified it as a Microsoft Office file and opened it without any fuss.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535131</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535009</id>
	<title>Here's the real issue:</title>
	<author>DrGradus</author>
	<datestamp>1246357560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"I evaluated OpenOffice.org 3.1 under the 32-bit version of Windows Vista..."

Found the bug!</htmltext>
<tokenext>" I evaluated OpenOffice.org 3.1 under the 32-bit version of Windows Vista... " Found the bug !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I evaluated OpenOffice.org 3.1 under the 32-bit version of Windows Vista..."

Found the bug!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28548023</id>
	<title>Re:Scores: OpenOffice 7.4 vs SoftMaker 7.7</title>
	<author>sorak</author>
	<datestamp>1246481040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sliced bread is an 8? Wow, I always wanted to score with an eight, and now there are a dozen of them in my pantry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sliced bread is an 8 ?
Wow , I always wanted to score with an eight , and now there are a dozen of them in my pantry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sliced bread is an 8?
Wow, I always wanted to score with an eight, and now there are a dozen of them in my pantry.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535057</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535653</id>
	<title>Buggy Java implementation... NOT</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246361100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><em>"Factor in OpenOffice's other well-documented warts - buggy Java implementation,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>..."</em></p><p>OpenOffice ist not, and never was, written in Java. It's C++. And it's open source, so you can even look that up. The point is: Why does a review, whose reviewer didn't even bother to do elementary facts checking, end up on the front page?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Factor in OpenOffice 's other well-documented warts - buggy Java implementation , ... " OpenOffice ist not , and never was , written in Java .
It 's C + + .
And it 's open source , so you can even look that up .
The point is : Why does a review , whose reviewer did n't even bother to do elementary facts checking , end up on the front page ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Factor in OpenOffice's other well-documented warts - buggy Java implementation, ..."OpenOffice ist not, and never was, written in Java.
It's C++.
And it's open source, so you can even look that up.
The point is: Why does a review, whose reviewer didn't even bother to do elementary facts checking, end up on the front page?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28536487</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1246365300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've found OpenOffice to be quite consistent with Word 2000 and 2003 for simple formatting. Never tested it against Word 2007, but your point about different versions of Office is totally valid.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've found OpenOffice to be quite consistent with Word 2000 and 2003 for simple formatting .
Never tested it against Word 2007 , but your point about different versions of Office is totally valid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've found OpenOffice to be quite consistent with Word 2000 and 2003 for simple formatting.
Never tested it against Word 2007, but your point about different versions of Office is totally valid.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535131</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28538823</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246386120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why do you hand in a source document anyways - this is what PDF was made for.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do you hand in a source document anyways - this is what PDF was made for .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do you hand in a source document anyways - this is what PDF was made for.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28534983</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535161</id>
	<title>Value</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246358340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They gave OpenOffice.org only a 9 out of 10 in value? Isn't value what you get for your money? It's still free right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They gave OpenOffice.org only a 9 out of 10 in value ?
Is n't value what you get for your money ?
It 's still free right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They gave OpenOffice.org only a 9 out of 10 in value?
Isn't value what you get for your money?
It's still free right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28534917</id>
	<title>Another Shitty Knockoff?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246356960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is this another one of those Open Sores programs that you sycophants assume is better than what Microsoft produces.</p><p>After my experience with Linux, I have to seriously question a the sanity of Open Sores advocates who seem convinced of their software's superiority.</p><p>It's clear to anyone who has used this garbage and it's non-communist competition which software is better.</p><p>Save your toy office suites for your toy operating system.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is this another one of those Open Sores programs that you sycophants assume is better than what Microsoft produces.After my experience with Linux , I have to seriously question a the sanity of Open Sores advocates who seem convinced of their software 's superiority.It 's clear to anyone who has used this garbage and it 's non-communist competition which software is better.Save your toy office suites for your toy operating system .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is this another one of those Open Sores programs that you sycophants assume is better than what Microsoft produces.After my experience with Linux, I have to seriously question a the sanity of Open Sores advocates who seem convinced of their software's superiority.It's clear to anyone who has used this garbage and it's non-communist competition which software is better.Save your toy office suites for your toy operating system.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535297</id>
	<title>Re:Why so few contenders?</title>
	<author>Astadar</author>
	<datestamp>1246359180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not hard to write a better one.  It's hard to write one that's still compatible with the a) unpublished, b) quirkily implemented, c) voluminous spec that is MS word.  At least sufficiently well enough to be a modest replacement.</p><p>I'm sure the folks at OO.o have been trying VERY hard to match Word behavior, but it's obviously not that simple.</p><p>I've run into several issues where OO.o doesn't render word docs properly and many more where an OO.o saved doc doesn't render properly at all in Word.</p><p>A shame, really.  But that's the reason that we still have MS Office in the house.  My wife and I use it for work just often enough that we can't afford not to have it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not hard to write a better one .
It 's hard to write one that 's still compatible with the a ) unpublished , b ) quirkily implemented , c ) voluminous spec that is MS word .
At least sufficiently well enough to be a modest replacement.I 'm sure the folks at OO.o have been trying VERY hard to match Word behavior , but it 's obviously not that simple.I 've run into several issues where OO.o does n't render word docs properly and many more where an OO.o saved doc does n't render properly at all in Word.A shame , really .
But that 's the reason that we still have MS Office in the house .
My wife and I use it for work just often enough that we ca n't afford not to have it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not hard to write a better one.
It's hard to write one that's still compatible with the a) unpublished, b) quirkily implemented, c) voluminous spec that is MS word.
At least sufficiently well enough to be a modest replacement.I'm sure the folks at OO.o have been trying VERY hard to match Word behavior, but it's obviously not that simple.I've run into several issues where OO.o doesn't render word docs properly and many more where an OO.o saved doc doesn't render properly at all in Word.A shame, really.
But that's the reason that we still have MS Office in the house.
My wife and I use it for work just often enough that we can't afford not to have it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535151</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28538467</id>
	<title>Re:Scores: OpenOffice 7.4 vs SoftMaker 7.7</title>
	<author>Daengbo</author>
	<datestamp>1246381680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I want to know how Softmaker gets an 8 for value and OO.o only gets a 9. It's free (and Free). If the scores are so close, shouldn't OO.o get a 10?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I want to know how Softmaker gets an 8 for value and OO.o only gets a 9 .
It 's free ( and Free ) .
If the scores are so close , should n't OO.o get a 10 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I want to know how Softmaker gets an 8 for value and OO.o only gets a 9.
It's free (and Free).
If the scores are so close, shouldn't OO.o get a 10?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535057</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535711</id>
	<title>GoBe Productive!</title>
	<author>Vinegar Joe</author>
	<datestamp>1246361280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Still rocks!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Still rocks !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Still rocks!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28537545</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246372980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've found that Word reformats the document according to the particular printer it's printed on.  This can cause soft page breaks to relocate just because you use a different printer, and I imagine it can cause text flow around an image to change, also. ( I don't know about the difference between Word for MAc and Word for Windows.)</p><p>I've also found that different versions of Word handle things like "smart[sic] quotes" differently from each other, even things like apostrophes and ampersands can be rendered as "@" or "=" or "?" when switching between Office XP and Office 2003.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've found that Word reformats the document according to the particular printer it 's printed on .
This can cause soft page breaks to relocate just because you use a different printer , and I imagine it can cause text flow around an image to change , also .
( I do n't know about the difference between Word for MAc and Word for Windows .
) I 've also found that different versions of Word handle things like " smart [ sic ] quotes " differently from each other , even things like apostrophes and ampersands can be rendered as " @ " or " = " or " ?
" when switching between Office XP and Office 2003 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've found that Word reformats the document according to the particular printer it's printed on.
This can cause soft page breaks to relocate just because you use a different printer, and I imagine it can cause text flow around an image to change, also.
( I don't know about the difference between Word for MAc and Word for Windows.
)I've also found that different versions of Word handle things like "smart[sic] quotes" differently from each other, even things like apostrophes and ampersands can be rendered as "@" or "=" or "?
" when switching between Office XP and Office 2003.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535131</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535151</id>
	<title>Why so few contenders?</title>
	<author>Absolut187</author>
	<datestamp>1246358280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How hard can it be to write a better word processing program?<br>MS Word is terrible!<br>Why doesn't Blizzard or some other studio do it?<br>You could make millions if you just write something that (A) can read/write Word files and (B) isn't a total piece of crap.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How hard can it be to write a better word processing program ? MS Word is terrible ! Why does n't Blizzard or some other studio do it ? You could make millions if you just write something that ( A ) can read/write Word files and ( B ) is n't a total piece of crap .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How hard can it be to write a better word processing program?MS Word is terrible!Why doesn't Blizzard or some other studio do it?You could make millions if you just write something that (A) can read/write Word files and (B) isn't a total piece of crap.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28538795</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246385820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everything I send on that I want to be displayed correctly on the target's computer screen, I save as PDF from OO.o.  Then again, I rarely send docs that need to be edited, just ones that need to be viewed, so YMMV.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everything I send on that I want to be displayed correctly on the target 's computer screen , I save as PDF from OO.o .
Then again , I rarely send docs that need to be edited , just ones that need to be viewed , so YMMV .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everything I send on that I want to be displayed correctly on the target's computer screen, I save as PDF from OO.o.
Then again, I rarely send docs that need to be edited, just ones that need to be viewed, so YMMV.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28534983</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28536045</id>
	<title>Re:Value</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1246362960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No, value is about much more than money. Something can be free of cost, but still have negative value if it's a pain in the ass.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No , value is about much more than money .
Something can be free of cost , but still have negative value if it 's a pain in the ass .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, value is about much more than money.
Something can be free of cost, but still have negative value if it's a pain in the ass.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535161</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28537811</id>
	<title>Re:Why so few contenders?</title>
	<author>Stormwatch</author>
	<datestamp>1246375020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A game studio, doing "serious" software? Risky move. A failed attempt at that pretty much destroyed Infocom.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A game studio , doing " serious " software ?
Risky move .
A failed attempt at that pretty much destroyed Infocom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A game studio, doing "serious" software?
Risky move.
A failed attempt at that pretty much destroyed Infocom.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535151</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535287</id>
	<title>Re:Why so few contenders?</title>
	<author>644bd346996</author>
	<datestamp>1246359120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While the two aren't 100\% mutually exclusive, (a) requires there to be a fair amount of crap in the code. The prior standardization of ODF was far from the only reason people were opposed to the standardization of Microsoft's formats. Even their new XML-based format is a steaming mess, and you can only polish a turd so far...</htmltext>
<tokenext>While the two are n't 100 \ % mutually exclusive , ( a ) requires there to be a fair amount of crap in the code .
The prior standardization of ODF was far from the only reason people were opposed to the standardization of Microsoft 's formats .
Even their new XML-based format is a steaming mess , and you can only polish a turd so far.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While the two aren't 100\% mutually exclusive, (a) requires there to be a fair amount of crap in the code.
The prior standardization of ODF was far from the only reason people were opposed to the standardization of Microsoft's formats.
Even their new XML-based format is a steaming mess, and you can only polish a turd so far...</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535491</id>
	<title>Obvious</title>
	<author>tiger32kw</author>
	<datestamp>1246360200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait, something that cost $80 performs better than something that is free?

Just blew my mind with this article.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , something that cost $ 80 performs better than something that is free ?
Just blew my mind with this article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, something that cost $80 performs better than something that is free?
Just blew my mind with this article.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28540545</id>
	<title>Google docs is stronger competitor.</title>
	<author>Organic Brain Damage</author>
	<datestamp>1246451940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm using Office for most 90\% of my word processing and spreadsheet work.  I am far more likely to switch from Office to Google Docs than either SoftMaker or OpenOffice's offerings.  Why? Google Docs offers simplicity, collaboration and built-in backup.

I believe it is 1000 times less likely that Google will lose my files compared to me losing them if I have to store them on a hard drive and remember to setup some kind of backup facility.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm using Office for most 90 \ % of my word processing and spreadsheet work .
I am far more likely to switch from Office to Google Docs than either SoftMaker or OpenOffice 's offerings .
Why ? Google Docs offers simplicity , collaboration and built-in backup .
I believe it is 1000 times less likely that Google will lose my files compared to me losing them if I have to store them on a hard drive and remember to setup some kind of backup facility .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm using Office for most 90\% of my word processing and spreadsheet work.
I am far more likely to switch from Office to Google Docs than either SoftMaker or OpenOffice's offerings.
Why? Google Docs offers simplicity, collaboration and built-in backup.
I believe it is 1000 times less likely that Google will lose my files compared to me losing them if I have to store them on a hard drive and remember to setup some kind of backup facility.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28539933</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>dotancohen</author>
	<datestamp>1246443480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's why you never, ever send documents meant for reading in Word format, only PDF. Even different versions of MSO on different hardware will make a difference. Even a different printer driver installed can make MSO documents appear differently! MSO, OOo, and other word processors are designed for creating documents for print. Collaboration and other features have been tacked on over the years, but they are usually used in homogeneous environments, business where everyone is on the same hardware.</p><p>When you send a document for reading, send it in PDF. Any OS, even a cellular phone, can read it and display it exactly as you intended.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's why you never , ever send documents meant for reading in Word format , only PDF .
Even different versions of MSO on different hardware will make a difference .
Even a different printer driver installed can make MSO documents appear differently !
MSO , OOo , and other word processors are designed for creating documents for print .
Collaboration and other features have been tacked on over the years , but they are usually used in homogeneous environments , business where everyone is on the same hardware.When you send a document for reading , send it in PDF .
Any OS , even a cellular phone , can read it and display it exactly as you intended .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's why you never, ever send documents meant for reading in Word format, only PDF.
Even different versions of MSO on different hardware will make a difference.
Even a different printer driver installed can make MSO documents appear differently!
MSO, OOo, and other word processors are designed for creating documents for print.
Collaboration and other features have been tacked on over the years, but they are usually used in homogeneous environments, business where everyone is on the same hardware.When you send a document for reading, send it in PDF.
Any OS, even a cellular phone, can read it and display it exactly as you intended.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28534983</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535211</id>
	<title>Why are you calling it an article?</title>
	<author>msimm</author>
	<datestamp>1246358640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought it was an ad?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought it was an ad ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought it was an ad?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535057</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28540521</id>
	<title>It's Good Stuff</title>
	<author>water-and-sewer</author>
	<datestamp>1246451700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have used Softmaker Office since about 2001, and it works well.  In my experience it does a better job of rendering Microsoft docs than OpenOffice.org does - especially docs that have tables, even simple ones.  As for perfect compatibility, I don't know why anyone even bothers to compare to Word anymore, since it's well known that even Microsoft is unable to make Word perfectly compatible with previous versions, and I too have experienced issues going back and forth between Word 03 and Word 07 on Windows (at work).  It's ridiculous.</p><p>On the plus side:</p><p>Softmaker Office is fast and uses few resources.  I've got an old Pentium III (128M RAM, 555Mhz) and it runs WELL on an old version of SUSE Linux (8.1).  Obviously on my Core Duo it flies.  It does a better job of reading and writing Word docs than any other software I've got, including some Macintosh stuff.  I can also use it on FreeBSD, which is really cool.</p><p>On the negative side:</p><p>I love the OO.o stylist (F11) and Navigator (F5) and miss them desperately on Softmaker Office.  I also love OO.o's ability to make master documents, and its embedding of one doc into another are useful as well.  Softmaker doesn't do either of those things, which I miss.  The proprietary doc format is also annoying, but I export everything to RTF or PDF, same as I do for the rest of my docs.  At least it lets you export to RTF, Word, and a bunch of other formats.</p><p>As for the fact that it's open source, I frankly don't give a crap.  Abiword is the best example of an opensource word processor that I know of and I don't think it's that good (at least, it's never been very stable for me).  I'll take the closed source - and even pay for it - if it's a good product and I can do what I want to do.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have used Softmaker Office since about 2001 , and it works well .
In my experience it does a better job of rendering Microsoft docs than OpenOffice.org does - especially docs that have tables , even simple ones .
As for perfect compatibility , I do n't know why anyone even bothers to compare to Word anymore , since it 's well known that even Microsoft is unable to make Word perfectly compatible with previous versions , and I too have experienced issues going back and forth between Word 03 and Word 07 on Windows ( at work ) .
It 's ridiculous.On the plus side : Softmaker Office is fast and uses few resources .
I 've got an old Pentium III ( 128M RAM , 555Mhz ) and it runs WELL on an old version of SUSE Linux ( 8.1 ) .
Obviously on my Core Duo it flies .
It does a better job of reading and writing Word docs than any other software I 've got , including some Macintosh stuff .
I can also use it on FreeBSD , which is really cool.On the negative side : I love the OO.o stylist ( F11 ) and Navigator ( F5 ) and miss them desperately on Softmaker Office .
I also love OO.o 's ability to make master documents , and its embedding of one doc into another are useful as well .
Softmaker does n't do either of those things , which I miss .
The proprietary doc format is also annoying , but I export everything to RTF or PDF , same as I do for the rest of my docs .
At least it lets you export to RTF , Word , and a bunch of other formats.As for the fact that it 's open source , I frankly do n't give a crap .
Abiword is the best example of an opensource word processor that I know of and I do n't think it 's that good ( at least , it 's never been very stable for me ) .
I 'll take the closed source - and even pay for it - if it 's a good product and I can do what I want to do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have used Softmaker Office since about 2001, and it works well.
In my experience it does a better job of rendering Microsoft docs than OpenOffice.org does - especially docs that have tables, even simple ones.
As for perfect compatibility, I don't know why anyone even bothers to compare to Word anymore, since it's well known that even Microsoft is unable to make Word perfectly compatible with previous versions, and I too have experienced issues going back and forth between Word 03 and Word 07 on Windows (at work).
It's ridiculous.On the plus side:Softmaker Office is fast and uses few resources.
I've got an old Pentium III (128M RAM, 555Mhz) and it runs WELL on an old version of SUSE Linux (8.1).
Obviously on my Core Duo it flies.
It does a better job of reading and writing Word docs than any other software I've got, including some Macintosh stuff.
I can also use it on FreeBSD, which is really cool.On the negative side:I love the OO.o stylist (F11) and Navigator (F5) and miss them desperately on Softmaker Office.
I also love OO.o's ability to make master documents, and its embedding of one doc into another are useful as well.
Softmaker doesn't do either of those things, which I miss.
The proprietary doc format is also annoying, but I export everything to RTF or PDF, same as I do for the rest of my docs.
At least it lets you export to RTF, Word, and a bunch of other formats.As for the fact that it's open source, I frankly don't give a crap.
Abiword is the best example of an opensource word processor that I know of and I don't think it's that good (at least, it's never been very stable for me).
I'll take the closed source - and even pay for it - if it's a good product and I can do what I want to do.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28537023</id>
	<title>Re:Why so few contenders?</title>
	<author>MobileTatsu-NJG</author>
	<datestamp>1246368960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why doesn't Blizzard or some other studio do it?</p></div><p>Man.. imagine what the splash screen for that would look like!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does n't Blizzard or some other studio do it ? Man.. imagine what the splash screen for that would look like !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why doesn't Blizzard or some other studio do it?Man.. imagine what the splash screen for that would look like!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535151</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535889</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>Abreu</author>
	<datestamp>1246362360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>use PDF</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>use PDF</tokentext>
<sentencetext>use PDF</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28534983</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535043</id>
	<title>"good things often still come in small packages"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246357680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>CmdrTaco and his 3" dick must be the exception that proves the rule.</htmltext>
<tokenext>CmdrTaco and his 3 " dick must be the exception that proves the rule .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CmdrTaco and his 3" dick must be the exception that proves the rule.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535819</id>
	<title>What's with the .org?</title>
	<author>dangitman</author>
	<datestamp>1246361940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can anyone tell me why the Openoffice.org application has the<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.org in its name? That is usually used to designate a website's domain, not desktop software. It's really weird that they'd put that in the name of a piece of application software.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can anyone tell me why the Openoffice.org application has the .org in its name ?
That is usually used to designate a website 's domain , not desktop software .
It 's really weird that they 'd put that in the name of a piece of application software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can anyone tell me why the Openoffice.org application has the .org in its name?
That is usually used to designate a website's domain, not desktop software.
It's really weird that they'd put that in the name of a piece of application software.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535707</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246361280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, Microsoft has continued to make things incompatible, even if ever so slightly.  And not just with competitors, but with their own software, forcing people to buy their latest and greatest.</p><p>And then people blame the other software manufacturers, and buy Microsoft's latest.</p><p>Nothing new here, move along.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , Microsoft has continued to make things incompatible , even if ever so slightly .
And not just with competitors , but with their own software , forcing people to buy their latest and greatest.And then people blame the other software manufacturers , and buy Microsoft 's latest.Nothing new here , move along .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, Microsoft has continued to make things incompatible, even if ever so slightly.
And not just with competitors, but with their own software, forcing people to buy their latest and greatest.And then people blame the other software manufacturers, and buy Microsoft's latest.Nothing new here, move along.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28534983</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28550255</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>Tanktalus</author>
	<datestamp>1246444800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You have to submit in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc?  Why not PDF?  Ouch.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You have to submit in .doc ?
Why not PDF ?
Ouch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have to submit in .doc?
Why not PDF?
Ouch.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28534983</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28536287</id>
	<title>WordPerfect, where's the Love?</title>
	<author>CrashNBrn</author>
	<datestamp>1246364280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, I do miss the days before Word. I recall WordPerfect in splitscreen mode almost all the time - so I could see where the FontCodes were, where the underline code was, in voluminous green and black.<br>
<br>
Of course it had keyboard shortcuts that only an Emac-aholic could love.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I do miss the days before Word .
I recall WordPerfect in splitscreen mode almost all the time - so I could see where the FontCodes were , where the underline code was , in voluminous green and black .
Of course it had keyboard shortcuts that only an Emac-aholic could love .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I do miss the days before Word.
I recall WordPerfect in splitscreen mode almost all the time - so I could see where the FontCodes were, where the underline code was, in voluminous green and black.
Of course it had keyboard shortcuts that only an Emac-aholic could love.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535297</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535123</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>mpapet</author>
	<datestamp>1246358160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I've been discovering that the way it saves<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc files doesn't quite match with how MS Office reads them</i></p><p>Hahaha!!! Microsoft is no better at retaining formatting than OpenOffice. I had one particularly wasteful work day attempting to edit a complex Word doc with embedded images, tables authored on Mac with French as the default language.  We were each on different versions of Office too. The language of the document was Fr-english, so I was supposed to clean up the language a little.</p><p>I spent Hours spent attempting to keep the document open long enough to get the information out of it before it would crash Word again.  Hours!!!!!</p><p>Do yourself and them a favor and send them a PDF.  They'll think you are a big-shot with your Adobe Acrobat software and everything!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been discovering that the way it saves .doc files does n't quite match with how MS Office reads themHahaha ! ! !
Microsoft is no better at retaining formatting than OpenOffice .
I had one particularly wasteful work day attempting to edit a complex Word doc with embedded images , tables authored on Mac with French as the default language .
We were each on different versions of Office too .
The language of the document was Fr-english , so I was supposed to clean up the language a little.I spent Hours spent attempting to keep the document open long enough to get the information out of it before it would crash Word again .
Hours ! ! ! ! ! Do yourself and them a favor and send them a PDF .
They 'll think you are a big-shot with your Adobe Acrobat software and everything ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been discovering that the way it saves .doc files doesn't quite match with how MS Office reads themHahaha!!!
Microsoft is no better at retaining formatting than OpenOffice.
I had one particularly wasteful work day attempting to edit a complex Word doc with embedded images, tables authored on Mac with French as the default language.
We were each on different versions of Office too.
The language of the document was Fr-english, so I was supposed to clean up the language a little.I spent Hours spent attempting to keep the document open long enough to get the information out of it before it would crash Word again.
Hours!!!!!Do yourself and them a favor and send them a PDF.
They'll think you are a big-shot with your Adobe Acrobat software and everything!!
!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28534983</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535379</id>
	<title>Re:Competitor Not Clone</title>
	<author>MightyMartian</author>
	<datestamp>1246359660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have a very good point.  The most important aspect of moving away from one software package to a replacement is that the replacement be able to import the original software's data.  So, if you approach OpenOffice.org as a replacement to MS-Word, then you're not really all that worried about whether it can save in MS's doc format, so much as it reads it.  Once you've got it into OO.org, then it seems rational that one would start using ODF file formats, rather than expecting OO.org to support not only the proprietary MS doc format, but also the underlying object model.</p><p>That being said, on the computers that I manage which are for public use, I have OO.org configured to save to MS formats by default.  There are problems, but my attitude is that if these folks want to open and save their Word 2003 documents flawlessly, then they can go buy their own copy.</p><p>Internally, I use ODF almost exclusively, and I simply don't have these issues.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have a very good point .
The most important aspect of moving away from one software package to a replacement is that the replacement be able to import the original software 's data .
So , if you approach OpenOffice.org as a replacement to MS-Word , then you 're not really all that worried about whether it can save in MS 's doc format , so much as it reads it .
Once you 've got it into OO.org , then it seems rational that one would start using ODF file formats , rather than expecting OO.org to support not only the proprietary MS doc format , but also the underlying object model.That being said , on the computers that I manage which are for public use , I have OO.org configured to save to MS formats by default .
There are problems , but my attitude is that if these folks want to open and save their Word 2003 documents flawlessly , then they can go buy their own copy.Internally , I use ODF almost exclusively , and I simply do n't have these issues .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have a very good point.
The most important aspect of moving away from one software package to a replacement is that the replacement be able to import the original software's data.
So, if you approach OpenOffice.org as a replacement to MS-Word, then you're not really all that worried about whether it can save in MS's doc format, so much as it reads it.
Once you've got it into OO.org, then it seems rational that one would start using ODF file formats, rather than expecting OO.org to support not only the proprietary MS doc format, but also the underlying object model.That being said, on the computers that I manage which are for public use, I have OO.org configured to save to MS formats by default.
There are problems, but my attitude is that if these folks want to open and save their Word 2003 documents flawlessly, then they can go buy their own copy.Internally, I use ODF almost exclusively, and I simply don't have these issues.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535477</id>
	<title>Re:Why so few contenders?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246360080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, but A and B are contradictory; the Word format, in all its various revisions, forces crappiness upon anything capable of understanding it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , but A and B are contradictory ; the Word format , in all its various revisions , forces crappiness upon anything capable of understanding it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, but A and B are contradictory; the Word format, in all its various revisions, forces crappiness upon anything capable of understanding it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535151</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28547813</id>
	<title>Re:Why pay $80 when you can get Office for $50</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246480500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Educational discounts for softmaker: 20 euros, US$ 25, see here <a href="http://www.softmaker.com/english/education/" title="softmaker.com" rel="nofollow"> </a> [softmaker.com]. I think I'll check out the trial version and see what it's worth. Unfortunately, though, it's missing support for ODF.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Educational discounts for softmaker : 20 euros , US $ 25 , see here [ softmaker.com ] .
I think I 'll check out the trial version and see what it 's worth .
Unfortunately , though , it 's missing support for ODF .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Educational discounts for softmaker: 20 euros, US$ 25, see here   [softmaker.com].
I think I'll check out the trial version and see what it's worth.
Unfortunately, though, it's missing support for ODF.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28536043</id>
	<title>Compatibility Mode</title>
	<author>R4nm4-kun</author>
	<datestamp>1246362960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, I think Microsoft will solve the compatibility problem "a la" Windows7.  Office 13 will load Office 2007 that will load Office2003 that will load OfficeXP  and so on, and so on.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I think Microsoft will solve the compatibility problem " a la " Windows7 .
Office 13 will load Office 2007 that will load Office2003 that will load OfficeXP and so on , and so on .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I think Microsoft will solve the compatibility problem "a la" Windows7.
Office 13 will load Office 2007 that will load Office2003 that will load OfficeXP  and so on, and so on.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535645</id>
	<title>whither googledocs?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246361040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>whither googledocs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>whither googledocs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>whither googledocs?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535739</id>
	<title>is this a stunt or truth</title>
	<author>the simurgh</author>
	<datestamp>1246361460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>must we be reminded that randall c kennedy is a man whose actions may be a bid for attention? he supposedly hates microsoft is now singing their praises. is this an attempt to stop the promised Microsoft lawsuit? hmm maybe.
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall\_C.\_Kennedy" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall\_C.\_Kennedy</a> [wikipedia.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>must we be reminded that randall c kennedy is a man whose actions may be a bid for attention ?
he supposedly hates microsoft is now singing their praises .
is this an attempt to stop the promised Microsoft lawsuit ?
hmm maybe .
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall \ _C. \ _Kennedy [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>must we be reminded that randall c kennedy is a man whose actions may be a bid for attention?
he supposedly hates microsoft is now singing their praises.
is this an attempt to stop the promised Microsoft lawsuit?
hmm maybe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall\_C.\_Kennedy [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28540121</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>donaldm</author>
	<datestamp>1246445820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Does the competition actually require you to send in your plan as a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc file? You should be able to send it in as a pdf or postscript.</p></div><p>When you send a information to anyone that you don't want changed you should never send that information in a format that can easily be modified. Sending in PostScript is not really appropriate either since PostScript can easily be modified as well. PDF is by far the best method for the above.<br>
<br>
In a collaborative project plain text can be ok since this easily lends itself to version control, however this depends on what the project leader has dictated. In many cases even project leaders don't know the basics of version control relying on the so called catch all of Microsoft Office which to them is "good enough". Don't get me started on "SharePoint" which as far as I am concerned is a good concept (not unique though) but horrible when there is no policy on managing it.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The only time<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc files should be getting sent around is within a single team or corporation, where you have a reasonable expection that your coworkers have the same program available that you do.</p></div><p>I agree with the single team although I normally send ASCII but if you have a large corporation you can still have problems. Actually large corporation normally send web based documents.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does the competition actually require you to send in your plan as a .doc file ?
You should be able to send it in as a pdf or postscript.When you send a information to anyone that you do n't want changed you should never send that information in a format that can easily be modified .
Sending in PostScript is not really appropriate either since PostScript can easily be modified as well .
PDF is by far the best method for the above .
In a collaborative project plain text can be ok since this easily lends itself to version control , however this depends on what the project leader has dictated .
In many cases even project leaders do n't know the basics of version control relying on the so called catch all of Microsoft Office which to them is " good enough " .
Do n't get me started on " SharePoint " which as far as I am concerned is a good concept ( not unique though ) but horrible when there is no policy on managing it.The only time .doc files should be getting sent around is within a single team or corporation , where you have a reasonable expection that your coworkers have the same program available that you do.I agree with the single team although I normally send ASCII but if you have a large corporation you can still have problems .
Actually large corporation normally send web based documents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does the competition actually require you to send in your plan as a .doc file?
You should be able to send it in as a pdf or postscript.When you send a information to anyone that you don't want changed you should never send that information in a format that can easily be modified.
Sending in PostScript is not really appropriate either since PostScript can easily be modified as well.
PDF is by far the best method for the above.
In a collaborative project plain text can be ok since this easily lends itself to version control, however this depends on what the project leader has dictated.
In many cases even project leaders don't know the basics of version control relying on the so called catch all of Microsoft Office which to them is "good enough".
Don't get me started on "SharePoint" which as far as I am concerned is a good concept (not unique though) but horrible when there is no policy on managing it.The only time .doc files should be getting sent around is within a single team or corporation, where you have a reasonable expection that your coworkers have the same program available that you do.I agree with the single team although I normally send ASCII but if you have a large corporation you can still have problems.
Actually large corporation normally send web based documents.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535073</id>
	<title>Thick red-rose pillocks</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1246357920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Manchester has suffered from several viruses.  One was an email that said "Forward this to 20 people, then delete your c:\windows directory.  If you do, you'll get a pie!".</htmltext>
<tokenext>Manchester has suffered from several viruses .
One was an email that said " Forward this to 20 people , then delete your c : \ windows directory .
If you do , you 'll get a pie !
" .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Manchester has suffered from several viruses.
One was an email that said "Forward this to 20 people, then delete your c:\windows directory.
If you do, you'll get a pie!
".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28541265</id>
	<title>Kingsoft Office</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246457880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Has anyone had any formal experience with Kingsoft Office?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Has anyone had any formal experience with Kingsoft Office ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Has anyone had any formal experience with Kingsoft Office?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535181</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>SparkEE</author>
	<datestamp>1246358460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does the competition actually require you to send in your plan as a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc file?  You should be able to send it in as a pdf or postscript.<br>
<br>
It just always really irks me that people ask for finished documents in an editor's format.  If people would just stop having this dumb expection, then it wouldn't matter if my tool of choice was Word, Ooo, Pages, Correl, html, or LaTex. They're all able to send out postscript files, and usually able to generate pdf these days.
<br> <br>
The only time<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc files should be getting sent around is within a single team or corporation, where you have a reasonable expection that your coworkers have the same program available that you do.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does the competition actually require you to send in your plan as a .doc file ?
You should be able to send it in as a pdf or postscript .
It just always really irks me that people ask for finished documents in an editor 's format .
If people would just stop having this dumb expection , then it would n't matter if my tool of choice was Word , Ooo , Pages , Correl , html , or LaTex .
They 're all able to send out postscript files , and usually able to generate pdf these days .
The only time .doc files should be getting sent around is within a single team or corporation , where you have a reasonable expection that your coworkers have the same program available that you do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does the competition actually require you to send in your plan as a .doc file?
You should be able to send it in as a pdf or postscript.
It just always really irks me that people ask for finished documents in an editor's format.
If people would just stop having this dumb expection, then it wouldn't matter if my tool of choice was Word, Ooo, Pages, Correl, html, or LaTex.
They're all able to send out postscript files, and usually able to generate pdf these days.
The only time .doc files should be getting sent around is within a single team or corporation, where you have a reasonable expection that your coworkers have the same program available that you do.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28539891</id>
	<title>Re:A Better Test</title>
	<author>moronoxyd</author>
	<datestamp>1246442820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Randall should try creating a document on a Mac, editing it on an MS Windows PC, and opening it on a Linux machine. Let's see, MS Office, N/A, SoftMaker, N/A, OpenOffice<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... we have a winner.</i></p><p>now throw in Windows Mobile for good measure:<br>- MS Office: pretends to be able to edit office files, but loses a lot of formation along the way<br>- OOo: not aviable on Windows Mobile<br>- Softmaker Office: fully featured mobile version that can actualy be used to do something (an yes, it cost's extra)</p><p>In the end it always depends on the specific user.<br>I don't use a Mac, so I don't care whether my office supports Mac OS X or not.<br>You probably don't use a Windows Mobile device, so you don't care about that.</p><p>But never assume that what's good for you is good for everyone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Randall should try creating a document on a Mac , editing it on an MS Windows PC , and opening it on a Linux machine .
Let 's see , MS Office , N/A , SoftMaker , N/A , OpenOffice ... we have a winner.now throw in Windows Mobile for good measure : - MS Office : pretends to be able to edit office files , but loses a lot of formation along the way- OOo : not aviable on Windows Mobile- Softmaker Office : fully featured mobile version that can actualy be used to do something ( an yes , it cost 's extra ) In the end it always depends on the specific user.I do n't use a Mac , so I do n't care whether my office supports Mac OS X or not.You probably do n't use a Windows Mobile device , so you do n't care about that.But never assume that what 's good for you is good for everyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Randall should try creating a document on a Mac, editing it on an MS Windows PC, and opening it on a Linux machine.
Let's see, MS Office, N/A, SoftMaker, N/A, OpenOffice ... we have a winner.now throw in Windows Mobile for good measure:- MS Office: pretends to be able to edit office files, but loses a lot of formation along the way- OOo: not aviable on Windows Mobile- Softmaker Office: fully featured mobile version that can actualy be used to do something (an yes, it cost's extra)In the end it always depends on the specific user.I don't use a Mac, so I don't care whether my office supports Mac OS X or not.You probably don't use a Windows Mobile device, so you don't care about that.But never assume that what's good for you is good for everyone.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28536361</id>
	<title>Re:What's with the .org?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246364580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wikipedia:<blockquote><div><p>The project and software are informally referred to as OpenOffice, but this term is a trademark held by a company in the Netherlands co-founded by Wouter Hanegraaff and is also in use by Orange UK,[3] requiring the project to adopt OpenOffice.org as its formal name.[4]</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wikipedia : The project and software are informally referred to as OpenOffice , but this term is a trademark held by a company in the Netherlands co-founded by Wouter Hanegraaff and is also in use by Orange UK , [ 3 ] requiring the project to adopt OpenOffice.org as its formal name .
[ 4 ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wikipedia:The project and software are informally referred to as OpenOffice, but this term is a trademark held by a company in the Netherlands co-founded by Wouter Hanegraaff and is also in use by Orange UK,[3] requiring the project to adopt OpenOffice.org as its formal name.
[4]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535107</id>
	<title>Slashvertisment</title>
	<author>R4nm4-kun</author>
	<datestamp>1246358040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Either I am really stupid (which is possible I won't deny it), or this is clearly a hidden advertisement on Slashdot for SoftMaker Office. To be anywhere near a fair comparison they should have included IBM Lotus Symphony, KOffice, StarOffice and others. Not compare  OpenOffice to some commercial product I don't think many people ever heard about.<br> <br>
I don't understand why this has made it to the frontpage.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Either I am really stupid ( which is possible I wo n't deny it ) , or this is clearly a hidden advertisement on Slashdot for SoftMaker Office .
To be anywhere near a fair comparison they should have included IBM Lotus Symphony , KOffice , StarOffice and others .
Not compare OpenOffice to some commercial product I do n't think many people ever heard about .
I do n't understand why this has made it to the frontpage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Either I am really stupid (which is possible I won't deny it), or this is clearly a hidden advertisement on Slashdot for SoftMaker Office.
To be anywhere near a fair comparison they should have included IBM Lotus Symphony, KOffice, StarOffice and others.
Not compare  OpenOffice to some commercial product I don't think many people ever heard about.
I don't understand why this has made it to the frontpage.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535303</id>
	<title>SofMaker</title>
	<author>Brandybuck</author>
	<datestamp>1246359180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I purchased SofMaker suite since they support FreeBSD. It's decent software, much much lighter in weight in OpenOffice, and free of annoying featuritus. It's chief drawback is its proprietariness. If they ever open sourced it, I would banish OpenOffice forever from my harddrives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I purchased SofMaker suite since they support FreeBSD .
It 's decent software , much much lighter in weight in OpenOffice , and free of annoying featuritus .
It 's chief drawback is its proprietariness .
If they ever open sourced it , I would banish OpenOffice forever from my harddrives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I purchased SofMaker suite since they support FreeBSD.
It's decent software, much much lighter in weight in OpenOffice, and free of annoying featuritus.
It's chief drawback is its proprietariness.
If they ever open sourced it, I would banish OpenOffice forever from my harddrives.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28537887</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>1u3hr</author>
	<datestamp>1246375800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>I hope don't cause my business plan to bomb in a local business plan competition. </i> <p>
So print to PDF. No reflow, nothing moves around in that. Or do thay actually require you to use Microsoft formats? That would be a whole can of worms even if everyone did use MS--versions, fonts, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope do n't cause my business plan to bomb in a local business plan competition .
So print to PDF .
No reflow , nothing moves around in that .
Or do thay actually require you to use Microsoft formats ?
That would be a whole can of worms even if everyone did use MS--versions , fonts , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope don't cause my business plan to bomb in a local business plan competition.
So print to PDF.
No reflow, nothing moves around in that.
Or do thay actually require you to use Microsoft formats?
That would be a whole can of worms even if everyone did use MS--versions, fonts, etc.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28537213</id>
	<title>Kind of Right.</title>
	<author>crhylove</author>
	<datestamp>1246370760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Open Office is bloated.</p><p>There, I've said it.</p><p>That being said, the portable apps version runs nicely, and at least it doesn't hijack my registry and everything else!!</p><p>portableapps.com</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Open Office is bloated.There , I 've said it.That being said , the portable apps version runs nicely , and at least it does n't hijack my registry and everything else !
! portableapps.com</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Open Office is bloated.There, I've said it.That being said, the portable apps version runs nicely, and at least it doesn't hijack my registry and everything else!
!portableapps.com</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535219</id>
	<title>Competitor Not Clone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246358700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OpenOffice may be a competitor to Microsoft Office but it is not a clone, and I wish people would stop always expecting it to be a clone.</p><p>OpenOffice provides the functionality that any modern office could require, and it does so in its own way.  Although MS Office compatibility is provided, that particular feature is not the raison detre of the OpenOffice suite.</p><p>Let's start judging OpenOffice on what it can accomplish -- and it can accomplish a lot -- and not on just how it measures up to the Microsoft product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OpenOffice may be a competitor to Microsoft Office but it is not a clone , and I wish people would stop always expecting it to be a clone.OpenOffice provides the functionality that any modern office could require , and it does so in its own way .
Although MS Office compatibility is provided , that particular feature is not the raison detre of the OpenOffice suite.Let 's start judging OpenOffice on what it can accomplish -- and it can accomplish a lot -- and not on just how it measures up to the Microsoft product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OpenOffice may be a competitor to Microsoft Office but it is not a clone, and I wish people would stop always expecting it to be a clone.OpenOffice provides the functionality that any modern office could require, and it does so in its own way.
Although MS Office compatibility is provided, that particular feature is not the raison detre of the OpenOffice suite.Let's start judging OpenOffice on what it can accomplish -- and it can accomplish a lot -- and not on just how it measures up to the Microsoft product.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535451</id>
	<title>On the Mac (hey, it's already a slashvertisement)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246360020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've used NeoOffice, which is a native OS X port of OpenOffice, and also OpenOffice on Fedora. While it's certainly capable software, there do still seem to be some "gotchas" when it comes to MS Office interoperability - but the big issue is how ponderous it is. Java apps still seem to have this basic issue with not feeling "snappy".</p><p>Now I'm using the latest version of Pages from iWork. I started out just thinking of it as "maybe getting a little less dependent on Microsoft"; but I've found I just plain like it better than Word. I haven't run into any interoperability gotchas yet, either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've used NeoOffice , which is a native OS X port of OpenOffice , and also OpenOffice on Fedora .
While it 's certainly capable software , there do still seem to be some " gotchas " when it comes to MS Office interoperability - but the big issue is how ponderous it is .
Java apps still seem to have this basic issue with not feeling " snappy " .Now I 'm using the latest version of Pages from iWork .
I started out just thinking of it as " maybe getting a little less dependent on Microsoft " ; but I 've found I just plain like it better than Word .
I have n't run into any interoperability gotchas yet , either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've used NeoOffice, which is a native OS X port of OpenOffice, and also OpenOffice on Fedora.
While it's certainly capable software, there do still seem to be some "gotchas" when it comes to MS Office interoperability - but the big issue is how ponderous it is.
Java apps still seem to have this basic issue with not feeling "snappy".Now I'm using the latest version of Pages from iWork.
I started out just thinking of it as "maybe getting a little less dependent on Microsoft"; but I've found I just plain like it better than Word.
I haven't run into any interoperability gotchas yet, either.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535283</id>
	<title>Cripple Fight!</title>
	<author>pankkake</author>
	<datestamp>1246359060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They both suck.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They both suck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They both suck.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535465</id>
	<title>Re:History</title>
	<author>davester666</author>
	<datestamp>1246360080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Um, everybody contracts "Windows CE" to just "wince", for obvious reasons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Um , everybody contracts " Windows CE " to just " wince " , for obvious reasons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Um, everybody contracts "Windows CE" to just "wince", for obvious reasons.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535095</id>
	<title>IBM Symphony</title>
	<author>hilather</author>
	<datestamp>1246357980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is far superior to either of these. Google it. It has the closest compatibility with microsoft office. I would post a link to it but I'm on my iPhone.</p><p>Symphony is free as in beer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is far superior to either of these .
Google it .
It has the closest compatibility with microsoft office .
I would post a link to it but I 'm on my iPhone.Symphony is free as in beer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is far superior to either of these.
Google it.
It has the closest compatibility with microsoft office.
I would post a link to it but I'm on my iPhone.Symphony is free as in beer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28536171</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>Rei</author>
	<datestamp>1246363680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whoa!  I'm "Flamebait" for reporting the problems I've had with OpenOffice compatibility with MS Office, on an article about OpenOffice compatibility with MS Office?</p><p>Wow, tough crowd.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whoa !
I 'm " Flamebait " for reporting the problems I 've had with OpenOffice compatibility with MS Office , on an article about OpenOffice compatibility with MS Office ? Wow , tough crowd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whoa!
I'm "Flamebait" for reporting the problems I've had with OpenOffice compatibility with MS Office, on an article about OpenOffice compatibility with MS Office?Wow, tough crowd.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28540377</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>grahamm</author>
	<datestamp>1246449660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What we need is something completely different. But it's already been pretty much proven that nothing that's not compatible has a chance because of Microsoft's monopoly-driven stranglehold. Catch-22. Either you die (or eke out your life in a small niche, as many do), or you mutate and grow into an enormous ugly bug that can never have quite the same properties as the monster it strives to exceed.</p></div><p>I suspect that much the same thing was said about compatibility with WordPerfect before it lost out, almost overnight, to Microsoft Word.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What we need is something completely different .
But it 's already been pretty much proven that nothing that 's not compatible has a chance because of Microsoft 's monopoly-driven stranglehold .
Catch-22. Either you die ( or eke out your life in a small niche , as many do ) , or you mutate and grow into an enormous ugly bug that can never have quite the same properties as the monster it strives to exceed.I suspect that much the same thing was said about compatibility with WordPerfect before it lost out , almost overnight , to Microsoft Word .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What we need is something completely different.
But it's already been pretty much proven that nothing that's not compatible has a chance because of Microsoft's monopoly-driven stranglehold.
Catch-22. Either you die (or eke out your life in a small niche, as many do), or you mutate and grow into an enormous ugly bug that can never have quite the same properties as the monster it strives to exceed.I suspect that much the same thing was said about compatibility with WordPerfect before it lost out, almost overnight, to Microsoft Word.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28538501</id>
	<title>Fonts?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246382040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What's a typical problem with the fonts, as mentioned in TFA? Is it a problem with O.O.org's programming, or the Java font engine itself?<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What 's a typical problem with the fonts , as mentioned in TFA ?
Is it a problem with O.O.org 's programming , or the Java font engine itself ?
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>What's a typical problem with the fonts, as mentioned in TFA?
Is it a problem with O.O.org's programming, or the Java font engine itself?
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535085</id>
	<title>PR pimps + magazine whores = slashvertisements</title>
	<author>olderphart</author>
	<datestamp>1246357920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nothing to see here.<br>--<br>phunctor</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing to see here.--phunctor</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing to see here.--phunctor</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28541979</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>FrankieBaby1986</author>
	<datestamp>1246461780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Simple solution for you (what I do at college): Use PDF for what it was designed for. A presentation format. If the intended audience needs to see it as you intended it, and need not edit it, just export as PDF. Or send in the native ODF. If they can't accept a file in one of these ISO formats, then they have serious problems. Be the example of how not to be a slave to MS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Simple solution for you ( what I do at college ) : Use PDF for what it was designed for .
A presentation format .
If the intended audience needs to see it as you intended it , and need not edit it , just export as PDF .
Or send in the native ODF .
If they ca n't accept a file in one of these ISO formats , then they have serious problems .
Be the example of how not to be a slave to MS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Simple solution for you (what I do at college): Use PDF for what it was designed for.
A presentation format.
If the intended audience needs to see it as you intended it, and need not edit it, just export as PDF.
Or send in the native ODF.
If they can't accept a file in one of these ISO formats, then they have serious problems.
Be the example of how not to be a slave to MS.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535279</id>
	<title>Why pay $80 when you can get Office for $50</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246359060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So I can buy Softmake Office, a MS Word clone, for 80 bucks. Or I can wait for a sale and pick up MS Student and Home for 50 bucks and I get 3 licenses for that price...</p><p>Thanks but I'll stay with the free OpenOffice or I'll drop 50 bucks on the real deal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So I can buy Softmake Office , a MS Word clone , for 80 bucks .
Or I can wait for a sale and pick up MS Student and Home for 50 bucks and I get 3 licenses for that price...Thanks but I 'll stay with the free OpenOffice or I 'll drop 50 bucks on the real deal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So I can buy Softmake Office, a MS Word clone, for 80 bucks.
Or I can wait for a sale and pick up MS Student and Home for 50 bucks and I get 3 licenses for that price...Thanks but I'll stay with the free OpenOffice or I'll drop 50 bucks on the real deal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28537259</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246371180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>I've been dealing with a rash of OpenOffice compatibility problems with MS Office that I hope don't cause my business plan to bomb in a local business plan competition. I've been discovering that the way it saves<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc files doesn't quite match with how MS Office reads them, so things end up misaligned - tables broken up, images out of place, etc. And don't even get me started on docx... I'm going to try to get a revised (MS Office-saved) version in, but I hope it's not too late.</p></div><p>BTW, the problem is just as bad with Microsoft Word rendering other Microsoft Word files.</p></div><p>This is of the course the heart of the problems with OpenOffice.org; Microsoft Office compatibility. When you strive to be compatible with an enormous, twisted, inconsistent, poorly designed and abominably implemented bug, well, you have no choice but to be a bug. Worse, the bug is a constantly moving target to ensure that even relatively clean and architected "bug emulation" becomes twisted and destructive after a while.</p><p>What we need is something completely different. But it's already been pretty much proven that nothing that's not compatible has a chance because of Microsoft's monopoly-driven stranglehold. Catch-22. Either you die (or eke out your life in a small niche, as many do), or you mutate and grow into an enormous ugly bug that can never have quite the same properties as the monster it strives to exceed.</p><p>Still, given the choice between an enormous ugly expensive bug and an enormous (and albeit slightly more ugly) free bug... I'll go for the free bug. OpenOffice.org ain't all that bad... for the price.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been dealing with a rash of OpenOffice compatibility problems with MS Office that I hope do n't cause my business plan to bomb in a local business plan competition .
I 've been discovering that the way it saves .doc files does n't quite match with how MS Office reads them , so things end up misaligned - tables broken up , images out of place , etc .
And do n't even get me started on docx... I 'm going to try to get a revised ( MS Office-saved ) version in , but I hope it 's not too late.BTW , the problem is just as bad with Microsoft Word rendering other Microsoft Word files.This is of the course the heart of the problems with OpenOffice.org ; Microsoft Office compatibility .
When you strive to be compatible with an enormous , twisted , inconsistent , poorly designed and abominably implemented bug , well , you have no choice but to be a bug .
Worse , the bug is a constantly moving target to ensure that even relatively clean and architected " bug emulation " becomes twisted and destructive after a while.What we need is something completely different .
But it 's already been pretty much proven that nothing that 's not compatible has a chance because of Microsoft 's monopoly-driven stranglehold .
Catch-22. Either you die ( or eke out your life in a small niche , as many do ) , or you mutate and grow into an enormous ugly bug that can never have quite the same properties as the monster it strives to exceed.Still , given the choice between an enormous ugly expensive bug and an enormous ( and albeit slightly more ugly ) free bug... I 'll go for the free bug .
OpenOffice.org ai n't all that bad... for the price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been dealing with a rash of OpenOffice compatibility problems with MS Office that I hope don't cause my business plan to bomb in a local business plan competition.
I've been discovering that the way it saves .doc files doesn't quite match with how MS Office reads them, so things end up misaligned - tables broken up, images out of place, etc.
And don't even get me started on docx... I'm going to try to get a revised (MS Office-saved) version in, but I hope it's not too late.BTW, the problem is just as bad with Microsoft Word rendering other Microsoft Word files.This is of the course the heart of the problems with OpenOffice.org; Microsoft Office compatibility.
When you strive to be compatible with an enormous, twisted, inconsistent, poorly designed and abominably implemented bug, well, you have no choice but to be a bug.
Worse, the bug is a constantly moving target to ensure that even relatively clean and architected "bug emulation" becomes twisted and destructive after a while.What we need is something completely different.
But it's already been pretty much proven that nothing that's not compatible has a chance because of Microsoft's monopoly-driven stranglehold.
Catch-22. Either you die (or eke out your life in a small niche, as many do), or you mutate and grow into an enormous ugly bug that can never have quite the same properties as the monster it strives to exceed.Still, given the choice between an enormous ugly expensive bug and an enormous (and albeit slightly more ugly) free bug... I'll go for the free bug.
OpenOffice.org ain't all that bad... for the price.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535765</id>
	<title>Re:Why so few contenders?</title>
	<author>kklein</author>
	<datestamp>1246361580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>MS Word is terrible!</p></div><p>On what basis do you assert that? It is the industry standard and has more features--and more ways to get at them--than any word processor out there.

</p><p>That isn't to say it's perfect; in fact, I have been using Apple's Pages more and more for simple documents. It's faster, and it handles styles correctly. Also, it separates comments from tracked changes, which is awesome.

</p><p>That being said, any serious writing that I do, and certainly any collaborative work, is always done in Word. It has the best/most complete offering for tables, little things like line and paragraph numbering in the margin (you don't think about that until you need it--and only Word has it, as far as I know), and lots of scripting support, whether it be simple autotext entries, or entire standard tables that you can set to insert by tapping a few characters. Oh, and don't forget total control of keyboard shortcuts.

</p><p>With absolutely no offense intended (I promise!), it seems to me that the only people who claim Word is "terrible" or that some other offering is better overall, are those who don't have to do a lot of word processing. Word does stuff that no one else does.

</p><p>(Please god don't send the TeX zombies; I don't have time to explain to them that no, most fields <i>do not</i> use TeX, and I've actually never met anyone off of Slashdot who even knew what it was. Also, yes, I know it's not a word processor. I know. I know.)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>MS Word is terrible ! On what basis do you assert that ?
It is the industry standard and has more features--and more ways to get at them--than any word processor out there .
That is n't to say it 's perfect ; in fact , I have been using Apple 's Pages more and more for simple documents .
It 's faster , and it handles styles correctly .
Also , it separates comments from tracked changes , which is awesome .
That being said , any serious writing that I do , and certainly any collaborative work , is always done in Word .
It has the best/most complete offering for tables , little things like line and paragraph numbering in the margin ( you do n't think about that until you need it--and only Word has it , as far as I know ) , and lots of scripting support , whether it be simple autotext entries , or entire standard tables that you can set to insert by tapping a few characters .
Oh , and do n't forget total control of keyboard shortcuts .
With absolutely no offense intended ( I promise !
) , it seems to me that the only people who claim Word is " terrible " or that some other offering is better overall , are those who do n't have to do a lot of word processing .
Word does stuff that no one else does .
( Please god do n't send the TeX zombies ; I do n't have time to explain to them that no , most fields do not use TeX , and I 've actually never met anyone off of Slashdot who even knew what it was .
Also , yes , I know it 's not a word processor .
I know .
I know .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MS Word is terrible!On what basis do you assert that?
It is the industry standard and has more features--and more ways to get at them--than any word processor out there.
That isn't to say it's perfect; in fact, I have been using Apple's Pages more and more for simple documents.
It's faster, and it handles styles correctly.
Also, it separates comments from tracked changes, which is awesome.
That being said, any serious writing that I do, and certainly any collaborative work, is always done in Word.
It has the best/most complete offering for tables, little things like line and paragraph numbering in the margin (you don't think about that until you need it--and only Word has it, as far as I know), and lots of scripting support, whether it be simple autotext entries, or entire standard tables that you can set to insert by tapping a few characters.
Oh, and don't forget total control of keyboard shortcuts.
With absolutely no offense intended (I promise!
), it seems to me that the only people who claim Word is "terrible" or that some other offering is better overall, are those who don't have to do a lot of word processing.
Word does stuff that no one else does.
(Please god don't send the TeX zombies; I don't have time to explain to them that no, most fields do not use TeX, and I've actually never met anyone off of Slashdot who even knew what it was.
Also, yes, I know it's not a word processor.
I know.
I know.
)
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28537727</id>
	<title>Re:Skin deep?</title>
	<author>demachina</author>
	<datestamp>1246374360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem isn't really OpenOffice handling Word doc files.  The problem is more if you produce a Word doc file in Open Office and send it to someone using Office it usually looks like crap to them.  If you create the documeny, publish it as PDF and send it to someone on Windows, then you are fine. The problem arises if you actually have to share an editable<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc file with someone using MS Office.  In that case Open Office is usually pretty much a fail, especially if the document is non trivial, with complex formatting, pictures or diagrams.</p><p>I don't necessarily fault the Open Office developers for this, I'm sure Microsoft makes it as hard on them as they possible can.</p><p>But, all of the open source fanboys who say OpenOffice has no problem interoperating with Word are simply wrong.  Until and unless Open Office can interchange doc files with Word seamlessly its going to have serious problems gaining acceptance in the business world.  Microsoft knows that, they know the network is working in their favor in holding their monopoly on office software.  They sure aren't going to make it any easier on Open Office to send doc files to Word.  I wouldn't be surprised if MS Office detects characteristics of Open Office produced doc files and intentionally mangles them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is n't really OpenOffice handling Word doc files .
The problem is more if you produce a Word doc file in Open Office and send it to someone using Office it usually looks like crap to them .
If you create the documeny , publish it as PDF and send it to someone on Windows , then you are fine .
The problem arises if you actually have to share an editable .doc file with someone using MS Office .
In that case Open Office is usually pretty much a fail , especially if the document is non trivial , with complex formatting , pictures or diagrams.I do n't necessarily fault the Open Office developers for this , I 'm sure Microsoft makes it as hard on them as they possible can.But , all of the open source fanboys who say OpenOffice has no problem interoperating with Word are simply wrong .
Until and unless Open Office can interchange doc files with Word seamlessly its going to have serious problems gaining acceptance in the business world .
Microsoft knows that , they know the network is working in their favor in holding their monopoly on office software .
They sure are n't going to make it any easier on Open Office to send doc files to Word .
I would n't be surprised if MS Office detects characteristics of Open Office produced doc files and intentionally mangles them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem isn't really OpenOffice handling Word doc files.
The problem is more if you produce a Word doc file in Open Office and send it to someone using Office it usually looks like crap to them.
If you create the documeny, publish it as PDF and send it to someone on Windows, then you are fine.
The problem arises if you actually have to share an editable .doc file with someone using MS Office.
In that case Open Office is usually pretty much a fail, especially if the document is non trivial, with complex formatting, pictures or diagrams.I don't necessarily fault the Open Office developers for this, I'm sure Microsoft makes it as hard on them as they possible can.But, all of the open source fanboys who say OpenOffice has no problem interoperating with Word are simply wrong.
Until and unless Open Office can interchange doc files with Word seamlessly its going to have serious problems gaining acceptance in the business world.
Microsoft knows that, they know the network is working in their favor in holding their monopoly on office software.
They sure aren't going to make it any easier on Open Office to send doc files to Word.
I wouldn't be surprised if MS Office detects characteristics of Open Office produced doc files and intentionally mangles them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28536599</id>
	<title>Shameless Ad</title>
	<author>Hercules Peanut</author>
	<datestamp>1246365900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'll agree with previous posts. This is nothing more than an add for a new app. I will NOT be visiting their site. Besides at $79(39 educational) I'll take iWork from Apple and have an awesome Presentation app and office compatibility, Of course we need another office format like we need a hole in the head but hey, you opened the flood gates with your fat price tag.<br>
BTW: I still recommend OO to everyone. You can't beat free and it seems like a pretty solid office app on every platform. Frankly, I'd choose it over MS Office 2007 even if it were free. Have you seen the new interface? Awful!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'll agree with previous posts .
This is nothing more than an add for a new app .
I will NOT be visiting their site .
Besides at $ 79 ( 39 educational ) I 'll take iWork from Apple and have an awesome Presentation app and office compatibility , Of course we need another office format like we need a hole in the head but hey , you opened the flood gates with your fat price tag .
BTW : I still recommend OO to everyone .
You ca n't beat free and it seems like a pretty solid office app on every platform .
Frankly , I 'd choose it over MS Office 2007 even if it were free .
Have you seen the new interface ?
Awful !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'll agree with previous posts.
This is nothing more than an add for a new app.
I will NOT be visiting their site.
Besides at $79(39 educational) I'll take iWork from Apple and have an awesome Presentation app and office compatibility, Of course we need another office format like we need a hole in the head but hey, you opened the flood gates with your fat price tag.
BTW: I still recommend OO to everyone.
You can't beat free and it seems like a pretty solid office app on every platform.
Frankly, I'd choose it over MS Office 2007 even if it were free.
Have you seen the new interface?
Awful!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28545057</id>
	<title>Wait a minute...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246471980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Buggy Java implementation...isn't OpenOffice a fork of StarOffice? Isn't StarOffice made by Sun? Isn't Sun the maker of Java?...how did they manage to screw that up?</p><p>I've been using MS Office at work for 10+ years now. I've been using OpenOffice at home for about 2 years now. Comparing MS Office and OpenOffice is like comparing Mighty Mouse and Mickey Mouse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Buggy Java implementation...is n't OpenOffice a fork of StarOffice ?
Is n't StarOffice made by Sun ?
Is n't Sun the maker of Java ? ...how did they manage to screw that up ? I 've been using MS Office at work for 10 + years now .
I 've been using OpenOffice at home for about 2 years now .
Comparing MS Office and OpenOffice is like comparing Mighty Mouse and Mickey Mouse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Buggy Java implementation...isn't OpenOffice a fork of StarOffice?
Isn't StarOffice made by Sun?
Isn't Sun the maker of Java?...how did they manage to screw that up?I've been using MS Office at work for 10+ years now.
I've been using OpenOffice at home for about 2 years now.
Comparing MS Office and OpenOffice is like comparing Mighty Mouse and Mickey Mouse.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28537261</id>
	<title>Re:Buggy Java implementation... NOT</title>
	<author>thammoud</author>
	<datestamp>1246371240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Saying bloated and buggy C++ is no<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. material.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Saying bloated and buggy C + + is no / .
material .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Saying bloated and buggy C++ is no /.
material.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535487</id>
	<title>Re:Slashvertisment</title>
	<author>Zantetsuken</author>
	<datestamp>1246360140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Also, they should have included <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go-oo" title="wikipedia.org">Go-OpenOffice</a> [wikipedia.org], as this is what is in most mainstream GNU/Linux distro repositories and not the vanilla OpenOffice that you download from Sun. Also, as you mentioned comparing with IBM Lotus Symphony, they should mention that it's based on the older OpenOffice 1.1.4 due to that being the last version the upstream with a particular dual license of LGLP and one of Sun's licenses...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , they should have included Go-OpenOffice [ wikipedia.org ] , as this is what is in most mainstream GNU/Linux distro repositories and not the vanilla OpenOffice that you download from Sun .
Also , as you mentioned comparing with IBM Lotus Symphony , they should mention that it 's based on the older OpenOffice 1.1.4 due to that being the last version the upstream with a particular dual license of LGLP and one of Sun 's licenses.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, they should have included Go-OpenOffice [wikipedia.org], as this is what is in most mainstream GNU/Linux distro repositories and not the vanilla OpenOffice that you download from Sun.
Also, as you mentioned comparing with IBM Lotus Symphony, they should mention that it's based on the older OpenOffice 1.1.4 due to that being the last version the upstream with a particular dual license of LGLP and one of Sun's licenses...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28570529</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>sglines</author>
	<datestamp>1246628580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've had this happen too. My solution is to open the MS Word doc file in Open Office, save the doc in OO format, Close OO then reopen in a new instance of OO and save again in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc format. In every case the problems that crashed MS Word (and Adobe InDesign) went away.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had this happen too .
My solution is to open the MS Word doc file in Open Office , save the doc in OO format , Close OO then reopen in a new instance of OO and save again in .doc format .
In every case the problems that crashed MS Word ( and Adobe InDesign ) went away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had this happen too.
My solution is to open the MS Word doc file in Open Office, save the doc in OO format, Close OO then reopen in a new instance of OO and save again in .doc format.
In every case the problems that crashed MS Word (and Adobe InDesign) went away.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535545</id>
	<title>Re:Slashvertisment</title>
	<author>Mystra\_x64</author>
	<datestamp>1246360440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's rather pathetic way of showing advertisement for those who turn their JS off and have<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.s "Ads Disabled" option on...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's rather pathetic way of showing advertisement for those who turn their JS off and have /.s " Ads Disabled " option on.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's rather pathetic way of showing advertisement for those who turn their JS off and have /.s "Ads Disabled" option on...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28534983</id>
	<title>What timing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246357320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been dealing with a rash of OpenOffice compatibility problems with MS Office that I hope don't cause my business plan to bomb in a local business plan competition.  I've been discovering that the way it saves<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc files doesn't quite match with how MS Office reads them, so things end up misaligned - tables broken up, images out of place, etc.  And don't even get me started on docx...  I'm going to try to get a revised (MS Office-saved) version in, but I hope it's not too late.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been dealing with a rash of OpenOffice compatibility problems with MS Office that I hope do n't cause my business plan to bomb in a local business plan competition .
I 've been discovering that the way it saves .doc files does n't quite match with how MS Office reads them , so things end up misaligned - tables broken up , images out of place , etc .
And do n't even get me started on docx... I 'm going to try to get a revised ( MS Office-saved ) version in , but I hope it 's not too late .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been dealing with a rash of OpenOffice compatibility problems with MS Office that I hope don't cause my business plan to bomb in a local business plan competition.
I've been discovering that the way it saves .doc files doesn't quite match with how MS Office reads them, so things end up misaligned - tables broken up, images out of place, etc.
And don't even get me started on docx...  I'm going to try to get a revised (MS Office-saved) version in, but I hope it's not too late.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28537689</id>
	<title>I have been using Apple's Pages</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1246374120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>That being said, any serious writing that I do, and certainly any collaborative work, is always done in Word.</i></p><p>And how compatible is your Word docs made in OS X with Office for Windows, and visa versa?  I haven't used it, I use <a href="http://www.neooffice.org/neojava/en/index.php" title="neooffice.org">NeoOffice</a> [neooffice.org], so I don't know but some comments above say they are not that compatible.</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That being said , any serious writing that I do , and certainly any collaborative work , is always done in Word.And how compatible is your Word docs made in OS X with Office for Windows , and visa versa ?
I have n't used it , I use NeoOffice [ neooffice.org ] , so I do n't know but some comments above say they are not that compatible .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That being said, any serious writing that I do, and certainly any collaborative work, is always done in Word.And how compatible is your Word docs made in OS X with Office for Windows, and visa versa?
I haven't used it, I use NeoOffice [neooffice.org], so I don't know but some comments above say they are not that compatible.
Falcon</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535011</id>
	<title>KOffice</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246357560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This was not a comparison I was particularly interested in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This was not a comparison I was particularly interested in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was not a comparison I was particularly interested in.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535243</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>datapharmer</author>
	<datestamp>1246358820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The proper rendering of documents is one of the main reasons PDF was created.  If they require that you submit in some proprietary format that has known problems with rendering that shouldn't count against you. oh wait - its a BUSINESS competition... never mind.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The proper rendering of documents is one of the main reasons PDF was created .
If they require that you submit in some proprietary format that has known problems with rendering that should n't count against you .
oh wait - its a BUSINESS competition... never mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The proper rendering of documents is one of the main reasons PDF was created.
If they require that you submit in some proprietary format that has known problems with rendering that shouldn't count against you.
oh wait - its a BUSINESS competition... never mind.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28539039</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>sandGorgons</author>
	<datestamp>1246388580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i have managed to get meetings to Top-3 VC firms, using OpenOffice PDF export. Note that I used them for both plans as well as presentations - PDF does work on full-screen presentation mode beautifully. I dont use animations for VC presentations anyway.
<br> <br>
I actually deliver my presentations from my Ubuntu laptop *exclusively* using PDF's. I have had the accident of moving around a picture from the presentation once and I could not get the placement back (undo<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:( ) and it didnt look too good.
<br> <br>
Also pdf's have the advantage of printing exactly the way they look - on a mac or windows (VC's dont use linux).</htmltext>
<tokenext>i have managed to get meetings to Top-3 VC firms , using OpenOffice PDF export .
Note that I used them for both plans as well as presentations - PDF does work on full-screen presentation mode beautifully .
I dont use animations for VC presentations anyway .
I actually deliver my presentations from my Ubuntu laptop * exclusively * using PDF 's .
I have had the accident of moving around a picture from the presentation once and I could not get the placement back ( undo : ( ) and it didnt look too good .
Also pdf 's have the advantage of printing exactly the way they look - on a mac or windows ( VC 's dont use linux ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i have managed to get meetings to Top-3 VC firms, using OpenOffice PDF export.
Note that I used them for both plans as well as presentations - PDF does work on full-screen presentation mode beautifully.
I dont use animations for VC presentations anyway.
I actually deliver my presentations from my Ubuntu laptop *exclusively* using PDF's.
I have had the accident of moving around a picture from the presentation once and I could not get the placement back (undo :( ) and it didnt look too good.
Also pdf's have the advantage of printing exactly the way they look - on a mac or windows (VC's dont use linux).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28541097</id>
	<title>No version for Mac?</title>
	<author>intheshelter</author>
	<datestamp>1246456800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well then they suck c@ck in my opinion!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well then they suck c @ ck in my opinion !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well then they suck c@ck in my opinion!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535539</id>
	<title>A Better Test</title>
	<author>sk999</author>
	<datestamp>1246360380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Randall should try creating a document on a Mac, editing it on an MS Windows PC, and opening it on a Linux machine. Let's see, MS Office, N/A, SoftMaker, N/A, OpenOffice<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... we have a winner.</p><p>Most documents I get these days are in PDF format.  The occassional MS Word documents are usually so simple that the best way to read them is using antiword.  Just about every Excel file opens fine in OpenOffice 1.1.  The most problematic powerpoints are those created by Mac users with embedded Quicktime files - no one else can see those.</p><p>For complex documents, the publishers I deal with require LaTex.</p><p>Yes, I do have access to MS Office, but now that it has been upgraded to 2007 with its ribbon interface, I have no idea how to use it anymore.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Randall should try creating a document on a Mac , editing it on an MS Windows PC , and opening it on a Linux machine .
Let 's see , MS Office , N/A , SoftMaker , N/A , OpenOffice ... we have a winner.Most documents I get these days are in PDF format .
The occassional MS Word documents are usually so simple that the best way to read them is using antiword .
Just about every Excel file opens fine in OpenOffice 1.1 .
The most problematic powerpoints are those created by Mac users with embedded Quicktime files - no one else can see those.For complex documents , the publishers I deal with require LaTex.Yes , I do have access to MS Office , but now that it has been upgraded to 2007 with its ribbon interface , I have no idea how to use it anymore .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Randall should try creating a document on a Mac, editing it on an MS Windows PC, and opening it on a Linux machine.
Let's see, MS Office, N/A, SoftMaker, N/A, OpenOffice ... we have a winner.Most documents I get these days are in PDF format.
The occassional MS Word documents are usually so simple that the best way to read them is using antiword.
Just about every Excel file opens fine in OpenOffice 1.1.
The most problematic powerpoints are those created by Mac users with embedded Quicktime files - no one else can see those.For complex documents, the publishers I deal with require LaTex.Yes, I do have access to MS Office, but now that it has been upgraded to 2007 with its ribbon interface, I have no idea how to use it anymore.</sentencetext>
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	<title>SoftMaker Office is free</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246390260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SoftMaker Office 2006 is totally free. You can download it from the FreewareGeeks.com website:</p><p>http://www.freewaregeeks.com/index.php?page=detail&amp;get\_id=271&amp;category=41</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SoftMaker Office 2006 is totally free .
You can download it from the FreewareGeeks.com website : http : //www.freewaregeeks.com/index.php ? page = detail&amp;get \ _id = 271&amp;category = 41</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SoftMaker Office 2006 is totally free.
You can download it from the FreewareGeeks.com website:http://www.freewaregeeks.com/index.php?page=detail&amp;get\_id=271&amp;category=41</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28536699</id>
	<title>If anyone's interested...</title>
	<author>malevolentjelly</author>
	<datestamp>1246366560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Softmaker Office 2006 is available for free for Windows, not trialware or anything. If you're running Windows and you'd usually just be using AbiWord or OpenOffice, it's way lighter and much nicer.</p><p><a href="http://softmakeroffice.com/" title="softmakeroffice.com">http://softmakeroffice.com/</a> [softmakeroffice.com]</p><p>Notice: Only TextMaker and PlanMaker are present (Word and Excel). If you need more advanced functionality, give 2008 a shot. They have an excellent student discount, also.</p><p>I don't mean to just pimp software or anything, but this is a great product from a tiny software company in Germany, and it has quite a legacy.</p><p>I've enjoyed it so far as a lightweight word processor for my EeePC.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Softmaker Office 2006 is available for free for Windows , not trialware or anything .
If you 're running Windows and you 'd usually just be using AbiWord or OpenOffice , it 's way lighter and much nicer.http : //softmakeroffice.com/ [ softmakeroffice.com ] Notice : Only TextMaker and PlanMaker are present ( Word and Excel ) .
If you need more advanced functionality , give 2008 a shot .
They have an excellent student discount , also.I do n't mean to just pimp software or anything , but this is a great product from a tiny software company in Germany , and it has quite a legacy.I 've enjoyed it so far as a lightweight word processor for my EeePC .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Softmaker Office 2006 is available for free for Windows, not trialware or anything.
If you're running Windows and you'd usually just be using AbiWord or OpenOffice, it's way lighter and much nicer.http://softmakeroffice.com/ [softmakeroffice.com]Notice: Only TextMaker and PlanMaker are present (Word and Excel).
If you need more advanced functionality, give 2008 a shot.
They have an excellent student discount, also.I don't mean to just pimp software or anything, but this is a great product from a tiny software company in Germany, and it has quite a legacy.I've enjoyed it so far as a lightweight word processor for my EeePC.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28536661</id>
	<title>Re:Why so few contenders?</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1246366320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Blizzard the *game* studio?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Blizzard the * game * studio ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Blizzard the *game* studio?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28541055</id>
	<title>WordPerfect</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246456500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's rather sad but, no one ever mentions Corel WordPerfect. The latest version WordPerfect Office X4, Is fully compatible with MS Office, including 2007. It also supports OpenOffice and ODF formats. It includes PDF creation AND editing.</p><p>In my opinion, right now, Wordperfect Office X4 out does them all for a competitive price. But, no one ever mentions WordPerfect anymore. Why is that?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's rather sad but , no one ever mentions Corel WordPerfect .
The latest version WordPerfect Office X4 , Is fully compatible with MS Office , including 2007 .
It also supports OpenOffice and ODF formats .
It includes PDF creation AND editing.In my opinion , right now , Wordperfect Office X4 out does them all for a competitive price .
But , no one ever mentions WordPerfect anymore .
Why is that ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's rather sad but, no one ever mentions Corel WordPerfect.
The latest version WordPerfect Office X4, Is fully compatible with MS Office, including 2007.
It also supports OpenOffice and ODF formats.
It includes PDF creation AND editing.In my opinion, right now, Wordperfect Office X4 out does them all for a competitive price.
But, no one ever mentions WordPerfect anymore.
Why is that?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28548149</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246481460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>At least OpenOffice is trying to be compatible with Microsoft office. Microsoft as far as I know is not trying to be able to read and write open office formats.</p><p>Also, OpenOffice is open source. That means we can all help fix it.<br>Microsoft however is closed source,</p><p>Last comment, that SoftMaker office is 80 $, Why would I want to use this when Microsoft Office is about the same price, and OpenOffice is free???</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>At least OpenOffice is trying to be compatible with Microsoft office .
Microsoft as far as I know is not trying to be able to read and write open office formats.Also , OpenOffice is open source .
That means we can all help fix it.Microsoft however is closed source,Last comment , that SoftMaker office is 80 $ , Why would I want to use this when Microsoft Office is about the same price , and OpenOffice is free ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>At least OpenOffice is trying to be compatible with Microsoft office.
Microsoft as far as I know is not trying to be able to read and write open office formats.Also, OpenOffice is open source.
That means we can all help fix it.Microsoft however is closed source,Last comment, that SoftMaker office is 80 $, Why would I want to use this when Microsoft Office is about the same price, and OpenOffice is free??
?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28538957</id>
	<title>Re:Skin deep?</title>
	<author>McBeer</author>
	<datestamp>1246387800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I haven't had any trouble with any MS Office files I've thrown at OpenOffice. Granted I mostly open MS Word documents but they've all opened fine.</p></div><p>Office -&gt; OO works better then OO -&gt; Office.  It really doesn't work either way if you attempt to use more complex tables, graphics, OLE, and such.  When I was in college, I set my sister and girlfriend up with OO since I couldn't afford Office.  Both of them were reduced to tears at least once trying to get OO to do what they wanted (often times what they wanted was for it to inter operate with Office).  I now have a job and bought them both office.  No more tears.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have n't had any trouble with any MS Office files I 've thrown at OpenOffice .
Granted I mostly open MS Word documents but they 've all opened fine.Office - &gt; OO works better then OO - &gt; Office .
It really does n't work either way if you attempt to use more complex tables , graphics , OLE , and such .
When I was in college , I set my sister and girlfriend up with OO since I could n't afford Office .
Both of them were reduced to tears at least once trying to get OO to do what they wanted ( often times what they wanted was for it to inter operate with Office ) .
I now have a job and bought them both office .
No more tears .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I haven't had any trouble with any MS Office files I've thrown at OpenOffice.
Granted I mostly open MS Word documents but they've all opened fine.Office -&gt; OO works better then OO -&gt; Office.
It really doesn't work either way if you attempt to use more complex tables, graphics, OLE, and such.
When I was in college, I set my sister and girlfriend up with OO since I couldn't afford Office.
Both of them were reduced to tears at least once trying to get OO to do what they wanted (often times what they wanted was for it to inter operate with Office).
I now have a job and bought them both office.
No more tears.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_30_197212.28535131</id>
	<title>Re:What timing</title>
	<author>Jim Hall</author>
	<datestamp>1246358220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've been dealing with a rash of OpenOffice compatibility problems with MS Office that I hope don't cause my business plan to bomb in a local business plan competition. I've been discovering that the way it saves<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.doc files doesn't quite match with how MS Office reads them, so things end up misaligned - tables broken up, images out of place, etc. And don't even get me started on docx... I'm going to try to get a revised (MS Office-saved) version in, but I hope it's not too late.</p></div><p>BTW, the problem is just as bad with Microsoft Word rendering other Microsoft Word files. Just this morning, I saw this example in action in a meeting.</p><p>Last night, one of the attendees sent out some notes for us to read before the meeting. We all dutifully printed out our copy of the doc, and brought it with us to the meeting.</p><p>Despite the fact that <em>we all run Microsoft Office</em> (yes, the document was created with Microsoft Office) there were <em>3 different versions of the printed doc at the meeting.</em> You could tell by looking around that one version of the doc (printed from Microsoft Office for Macintosh) was aligned in a weird way when moving text around a table. Another version of the doc (Microsoft Office 2007) put a pagebreak in a different spot than everyone else's copy, and put an extra blank line between a table and its caption. This was a 3-page doc with an enumerated list of paragraphs, so differences were easy to spot when looking around the table.</p><p>This was a Word document in plain DOC format, not DOCX.</p><p>If you have a document that <em>absolutely must preserve formatting</em>, send it as a PDF.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been dealing with a rash of OpenOffice compatibility problems with MS Office that I hope do n't cause my business plan to bomb in a local business plan competition .
I 've been discovering that the way it saves .doc files does n't quite match with how MS Office reads them , so things end up misaligned - tables broken up , images out of place , etc .
And do n't even get me started on docx... I 'm going to try to get a revised ( MS Office-saved ) version in , but I hope it 's not too late.BTW , the problem is just as bad with Microsoft Word rendering other Microsoft Word files .
Just this morning , I saw this example in action in a meeting.Last night , one of the attendees sent out some notes for us to read before the meeting .
We all dutifully printed out our copy of the doc , and brought it with us to the meeting.Despite the fact that we all run Microsoft Office ( yes , the document was created with Microsoft Office ) there were 3 different versions of the printed doc at the meeting .
You could tell by looking around that one version of the doc ( printed from Microsoft Office for Macintosh ) was aligned in a weird way when moving text around a table .
Another version of the doc ( Microsoft Office 2007 ) put a pagebreak in a different spot than everyone else 's copy , and put an extra blank line between a table and its caption .
This was a 3-page doc with an enumerated list of paragraphs , so differences were easy to spot when looking around the table.This was a Word document in plain DOC format , not DOCX.If you have a document that absolutely must preserve formatting , send it as a PDF .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been dealing with a rash of OpenOffice compatibility problems with MS Office that I hope don't cause my business plan to bomb in a local business plan competition.
I've been discovering that the way it saves .doc files doesn't quite match with how MS Office reads them, so things end up misaligned - tables broken up, images out of place, etc.
And don't even get me started on docx... I'm going to try to get a revised (MS Office-saved) version in, but I hope it's not too late.BTW, the problem is just as bad with Microsoft Word rendering other Microsoft Word files.
Just this morning, I saw this example in action in a meeting.Last night, one of the attendees sent out some notes for us to read before the meeting.
We all dutifully printed out our copy of the doc, and brought it with us to the meeting.Despite the fact that we all run Microsoft Office (yes, the document was created with Microsoft Office) there were 3 different versions of the printed doc at the meeting.
You could tell by looking around that one version of the doc (printed from Microsoft Office for Macintosh) was aligned in a weird way when moving text around a table.
Another version of the doc (Microsoft Office 2007) put a pagebreak in a different spot than everyone else's copy, and put an extra blank line between a table and its caption.
This was a 3-page doc with an enumerated list of paragraphs, so differences were easy to spot when looking around the table.This was a Word document in plain DOC format, not DOCX.If you have a document that absolutely must preserve formatting, send it as a PDF.
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