<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_29_2246243</id>
	<title>Senators Want To Punish Nokia, Siemens Over Iran</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1246289460000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:timhartman@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">fast66</a> writes <i>"After hearing about Nokia-Siemens sale of Internet-monitoring software to Iran, US Senators Schumer and Graham want to bar them from receiving federal contracts. They planned the action after hearing about a joint venture of Nokia Corp. of Finland and Siemens AG of Germany that sold a sophisticated Internet-monitoring system to Iran in 2008. According to Nextgov.com, Schumer and Graham's bill would require the Obama administration to <a href="http://www.nextgov.com/nextgov/ng\_20090629\_3881.php">identify foreign companies that export sensitive technology to Iran</a> and ban them from bidding on federal contracts, or renew expiring ones, unless they first stop exports to Iran."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>fast66 writes " After hearing about Nokia-Siemens sale of Internet-monitoring software to Iran , US Senators Schumer and Graham want to bar them from receiving federal contracts .
They planned the action after hearing about a joint venture of Nokia Corp. of Finland and Siemens AG of Germany that sold a sophisticated Internet-monitoring system to Iran in 2008 .
According to Nextgov.com , Schumer and Graham 's bill would require the Obama administration to identify foreign companies that export sensitive technology to Iran and ban them from bidding on federal contracts , or renew expiring ones , unless they first stop exports to Iran .
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<sentencetext>fast66 writes "After hearing about Nokia-Siemens sale of Internet-monitoring software to Iran, US Senators Schumer and Graham want to bar them from receiving federal contracts.
They planned the action after hearing about a joint venture of Nokia Corp. of Finland and Siemens AG of Germany that sold a sophisticated Internet-monitoring system to Iran in 2008.
According to Nextgov.com, Schumer and Graham's bill would require the Obama administration to identify foreign companies that export sensitive technology to Iran and ban them from bidding on federal contracts, or renew expiring ones, unless they first stop exports to Iran.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28526911</id>
	<title>nice - first force then blame</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246370340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>first the companies are forced to include interception APIs into there hardware (cf. ETSI papers), which is very nice for 'lawful interception'. but now it is bad because the iranians do the same stuff with the same hardware? hypocrites. the same hardare would not even be allowed in Europe or US without the interception APIs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>first the companies are forced to include interception APIs into there hardware ( cf .
ETSI papers ) , which is very nice for 'lawful interception' .
but now it is bad because the iranians do the same stuff with the same hardware ?
hypocrites. the same hardare would not even be allowed in Europe or US without the interception APIs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>first the companies are forced to include interception APIs into there hardware (cf.
ETSI papers), which is very nice for 'lawful interception'.
but now it is bad because the iranians do the same stuff with the same hardware?
hypocrites. the same hardare would not even be allowed in Europe or US without the interception APIs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28523843</id>
	<title>First uncensored post</title>
	<author>McGiraf</author>
	<datestamp>1246293180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>yet here the use DPI for a lot of stuff</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>yet here the use DPI for a lot of stuff</tokentext>
<sentencetext>yet here the use DPI for a lot of stuff</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28527133</id>
	<title>Waitaminnit</title>
	<author>Akita24</author>
	<datestamp>1246371480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought we were supposed to hate governments (the embodiment of all evil) and embrace unchecked and unrestrained capitalism and free enterprise (the embodiment of all good). You mean letting the no-conscience, no-morals, everything-in-the-name-of-one-more-dollar isn't a good thing either? Say it isn't so.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought we were supposed to hate governments ( the embodiment of all evil ) and embrace unchecked and unrestrained capitalism and free enterprise ( the embodiment of all good ) .
You mean letting the no-conscience , no-morals , everything-in-the-name-of-one-more-dollar is n't a good thing either ?
Say it is n't so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought we were supposed to hate governments (the embodiment of all evil) and embrace unchecked and unrestrained capitalism and free enterprise (the embodiment of all good).
You mean letting the no-conscience, no-morals, everything-in-the-name-of-one-more-dollar isn't a good thing either?
Say it isn't so.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28523931</id>
	<title>Well..</title>
	<author>diewlasing</author>
	<datestamp>1246293840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...I'm glad to see Republicans standing up the tyranny of the increasingly repressive American Gov...wait....</p><p>

---</p><p>I guarantee you these are the same people who want to restrict freedom of information to protect the children here in the USA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...I 'm glad to see Republicans standing up the tyranny of the increasingly repressive American Gov...wait... . ---I guarantee you these are the same people who want to restrict freedom of information to protect the children here in the USA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...I'm glad to see Republicans standing up the tyranny of the increasingly repressive American Gov...wait....

---I guarantee you these are the same people who want to restrict freedom of information to protect the children here in the USA.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28525483</id>
	<title>So long as all instances are punished</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246353840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is great. Punish Nokia for supplying monitoring equipment to Iran. But let's not stop at Nokia, or Iran for that matter.</p><p>All companies supplying monitoring equipment to any country would be more all encompassing... the problem being that the executive of most western countries love this sort of equipment and it is probably installed in some anonymous block near you already.</p><p>This attempt to punish Nokia is not about freedom. It is about preventing cooperation with a country which stands up to the US.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is great .
Punish Nokia for supplying monitoring equipment to Iran .
But let 's not stop at Nokia , or Iran for that matter.All companies supplying monitoring equipment to any country would be more all encompassing... the problem being that the executive of most western countries love this sort of equipment and it is probably installed in some anonymous block near you already.This attempt to punish Nokia is not about freedom .
It is about preventing cooperation with a country which stands up to the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is great.
Punish Nokia for supplying monitoring equipment to Iran.
But let's not stop at Nokia, or Iran for that matter.All companies supplying monitoring equipment to any country would be more all encompassing... the problem being that the executive of most western countries love this sort of equipment and it is probably installed in some anonymous block near you already.This attempt to punish Nokia is not about freedom.
It is about preventing cooperation with a country which stands up to the US.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524611</id>
	<title>Re:Godwin's Law</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246300140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>IBM, allegedly, collaborated with the Nazis.</p><p>Corporations making a quick buck through trading with 'the enemy' is nothing new.</p></div><p>Yawn.  Nationalized corporations cooperating with the government?! What a shocker.  Get over it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>IBM , allegedly , collaborated with the Nazis.Corporations making a quick buck through trading with 'the enemy ' is nothing new.Yawn .
Nationalized corporations cooperating with the government ? !
What a shocker .
Get over it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IBM, allegedly, collaborated with the Nazis.Corporations making a quick buck through trading with 'the enemy' is nothing new.Yawn.
Nationalized corporations cooperating with the government?!
What a shocker.
Get over it.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524151</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524135</id>
	<title>Re:Don't be so quick to defend the corporations.</title>
	<author>\_merlin</author>
	<datestamp>1246295940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, they do have to provide this technology if they want to sell mobile phone network equipment at all.  There's a mandatory "lawful intercept" capability that you have to implement if you want to get the gear licensed.  That goes for US, UK and EU as well as "axis of evil" countries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , they do have to provide this technology if they want to sell mobile phone network equipment at all .
There 's a mandatory " lawful intercept " capability that you have to implement if you want to get the gear licensed .
That goes for US , UK and EU as well as " axis of evil " countries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, they do have to provide this technology if they want to sell mobile phone network equipment at all.
There's a mandatory "lawful intercept" capability that you have to implement if you want to get the gear licensed.
That goes for US, UK and EU as well as "axis of evil" countries.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28523993</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28525301</id>
	<title>Fat Little Piggies</title>
	<author>Greyfox</author>
	<datestamp>1246394880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Momentarily distracted from feeding at the trough of public funding and corporate sponsorship, squeal briefly about some situation that makes them uncomfortable. Fortunately they do not have a very long attention span and should be distracted shortly. Perhaps.... now. They can never be interrupted from their meal for very long in any event.
<p>
The difference between here and Iran? I can call the fat little piggies out and... probably won't be labeled a terrorist and sent to Gitmo. Fox news might call me an America hater, but they're the ones wishing for more suffering on the American people because they must be punished for not voting Republican in the last election. Fox news hates America more than the Iranian leadership ever could.
</p><p>
The similarity between here and Iran? I can call the fat little piggies out all I want and it won't change a goddamn thing. And whether I vote this fat little piggy or that fat little piggy in to office, they're all just fat little piggies in the end.
</p><p>
At least the Iranian people can still get worked up about such things. I hope they can resolve their problems without a lot of people getting killed. They don't deserve to be killed just for wanting their voices to be heard. No one deserves that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Momentarily distracted from feeding at the trough of public funding and corporate sponsorship , squeal briefly about some situation that makes them uncomfortable .
Fortunately they do not have a very long attention span and should be distracted shortly .
Perhaps.... now .
They can never be interrupted from their meal for very long in any event .
The difference between here and Iran ?
I can call the fat little piggies out and... probably wo n't be labeled a terrorist and sent to Gitmo .
Fox news might call me an America hater , but they 're the ones wishing for more suffering on the American people because they must be punished for not voting Republican in the last election .
Fox news hates America more than the Iranian leadership ever could .
The similarity between here and Iran ?
I can call the fat little piggies out all I want and it wo n't change a goddamn thing .
And whether I vote this fat little piggy or that fat little piggy in to office , they 're all just fat little piggies in the end .
At least the Iranian people can still get worked up about such things .
I hope they can resolve their problems without a lot of people getting killed .
They do n't deserve to be killed just for wanting their voices to be heard .
No one deserves that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Momentarily distracted from feeding at the trough of public funding and corporate sponsorship, squeal briefly about some situation that makes them uncomfortable.
Fortunately they do not have a very long attention span and should be distracted shortly.
Perhaps.... now.
They can never be interrupted from their meal for very long in any event.
The difference between here and Iran?
I can call the fat little piggies out and... probably won't be labeled a terrorist and sent to Gitmo.
Fox news might call me an America hater, but they're the ones wishing for more suffering on the American people because they must be punished for not voting Republican in the last election.
Fox news hates America more than the Iranian leadership ever could.
The similarity between here and Iran?
I can call the fat little piggies out all I want and it won't change a goddamn thing.
And whether I vote this fat little piggy or that fat little piggy in to office, they're all just fat little piggies in the end.
At least the Iranian people can still get worked up about such things.
I hope they can resolve their problems without a lot of people getting killed.
They don't deserve to be killed just for wanting their voices to be heard.
No one deserves that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28529905</id>
	<title>Dick Cheney's Halliburton also did deals with Iran</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246382340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When are we going to ban government contracts with <b> <i>them</i> </b>?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When are we going to ban government contracts with them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When are we going to ban government contracts with  them ?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524381</id>
	<title>Power to the people!</title>
	<author>DJ DeFi</author>
	<datestamp>1246297920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>..Shit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>..Shit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>..Shit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28525039</id>
	<title>Nokia needed US approval!?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246305480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last time I checked Iran is one of a handful of countries still on the OFAC shit list.  Any US company or intermediary there of must explicitly obtain an export classification and license from the US state department to sell anything in Iran.</p><p>Assuming this was done properly by Nokia it is absurd to penalize Nokia for selling something the very same government must have OK'd in the first place.</p><p>I'm not a fan of US companies enabling foreign governments to crack heads but this kind of retroactive grandstanding seems to be more about political positioning than genuine concern for the actions of US companies.  If people in the US government really cared permission to sell these systems to Iran would have been denied in the first instance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last time I checked Iran is one of a handful of countries still on the OFAC shit list .
Any US company or intermediary there of must explicitly obtain an export classification and license from the US state department to sell anything in Iran.Assuming this was done properly by Nokia it is absurd to penalize Nokia for selling something the very same government must have OK 'd in the first place.I 'm not a fan of US companies enabling foreign governments to crack heads but this kind of retroactive grandstanding seems to be more about political positioning than genuine concern for the actions of US companies .
If people in the US government really cared permission to sell these systems to Iran would have been denied in the first instance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last time I checked Iran is one of a handful of countries still on the OFAC shit list.
Any US company or intermediary there of must explicitly obtain an export classification and license from the US state department to sell anything in Iran.Assuming this was done properly by Nokia it is absurd to penalize Nokia for selling something the very same government must have OK'd in the first place.I'm not a fan of US companies enabling foreign governments to crack heads but this kind of retroactive grandstanding seems to be more about political positioning than genuine concern for the actions of US companies.
If people in the US government really cared permission to sell these systems to Iran would have been denied in the first instance.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28527737</id>
	<title>Gotta be local?</title>
	<author>Improv</author>
	<datestamp>1246374240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would not be surprised to find these same senators lauding the homegrown <a href="http://www.covenanteyes.com/" title="covenanteyes.com">Christian censorship software</a> [covenanteyes.com] that's installed in libraries and the like.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would not be surprised to find these same senators lauding the homegrown Christian censorship software [ covenanteyes.com ] that 's installed in libraries and the like .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would not be surprised to find these same senators lauding the homegrown Christian censorship software [covenanteyes.com] that's installed in libraries and the like.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524819</id>
	<title>Nothing Special</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246302780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Internet monitoring is not some complicated undertaking, anyone can do it. This is now some tech limited to few countries.  Huawei for one will lap up  these contracts. As far as a banning Nokia and Siemens from Government contracts is concerned then you would have to bar US companies like Cisco and Brocade first, and I don't see that happening, so this is another non issue that will take up needless time and media space and get some folks needlessly excited paying the cursory lip service to freedom and such.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Internet monitoring is not some complicated undertaking , anyone can do it .
This is now some tech limited to few countries .
Huawei for one will lap up these contracts .
As far as a banning Nokia and Siemens from Government contracts is concerned then you would have to bar US companies like Cisco and Brocade first , and I do n't see that happening , so this is another non issue that will take up needless time and media space and get some folks needlessly excited paying the cursory lip service to freedom and such .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Internet monitoring is not some complicated undertaking, anyone can do it.
This is now some tech limited to few countries.
Huawei for one will lap up  these contracts.
As far as a banning Nokia and Siemens from Government contracts is concerned then you would have to bar US companies like Cisco and Brocade first, and I don't see that happening, so this is another non issue that will take up needless time and media space and get some folks needlessly excited paying the cursory lip service to freedom and such.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28526677</id>
	<title>Two words:</title>
	<author>ewe2</author>
	<datestamp>1246368720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"farm machinery"</p><p>Them Ir-anians. Ya can't trust 'em!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" farm machinery " Them Ir-anians .
Ya ca n't trust 'em !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"farm machinery"Them Ir-anians.
Ya can't trust 'em!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28525793</id>
	<title>Well Duh</title>
	<author>Arimus</author>
	<datestamp>1246358040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fine so long as all companies and countries are punished equally for 'censoring' the internet</p><p>So any company involved in Australia, China, Britain, Germany and god knows how many more should all be banned equally...</p><p>Oh and ban the US companies that would be involved in the 'drop the internet' red button idea reported in stories yesterday.</p><p>In fact, I know, lets ban everything.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fine so long as all companies and countries are punished equally for 'censoring ' the internetSo any company involved in Australia , China , Britain , Germany and god knows how many more should all be banned equally...Oh and ban the US companies that would be involved in the 'drop the internet ' red button idea reported in stories yesterday.In fact , I know , lets ban everything .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fine so long as all companies and countries are punished equally for 'censoring' the internetSo any company involved in Australia, China, Britain, Germany and god knows how many more should all be banned equally...Oh and ban the US companies that would be involved in the 'drop the internet' red button idea reported in stories yesterday.In fact, I know, lets ban everything.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28537473</id>
	<title>JUST LIKE THE IDOIT, MORON LIBERALS TO . . .</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246372500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>YET ANOTHER IDIOT, MORON , DEMOCRAT IDEA - kill business, capitalism, etc!!!</p><p>Government needs to stay out of business and personal affairs!</p><p>No new taxes!</p><p>No increases in taxes!</p><p>No hidden taxes!  You know:  climate legislation; health care reform; stimulus; bail-outs, etc.</p><p>Once again, I beg you:</p><p>Impeach obama and all democrats!    Remove the czars, they have no oversight (management)!</p><p>Do not let the criminal organization acorn or any of its' affiliates take any part in the census!</p><p>Do not let sotomyer become a supreme court justice!  She has been over-turned too many times and for not following the law!   We do not need any empathetic or sympathetic judges at the supreme court!</p><p>Deport all illegal aliens!  They are alread criminals - they crossed illegally!!</p><p>No government run health care plan!    No government funded health plan!   Reduce the rediculous judgements in mal-practice cases!</p><p>Return funding to hydrogen transportation projects!  Yeah, you green idiots - no battery waste! and fewer polutants!</p><p>Allow new and expanded nuclear power plants!  They are safe - the French use them!  One by-product is hydrogen which can fuel vehicles!  Now there is your cheap energy!</p><p>Restor funding for the Yuca mountain nuclear waste storage facility and stop the requirement that each state build thier own!    Each state building there own is Yet Another Idiot Moron Democrat Idea (YAIMDI)!</p><p>Repeal all laws passed since the innaguration!</p><p>Get the idiot moron so-called comedian al franken out of the senate!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>YET ANOTHER IDIOT , MORON , DEMOCRAT IDEA - kill business , capitalism , etc ! !
! Government needs to stay out of business and personal affairs ! No new taxes ! No increases in taxes ! No hidden taxes !
You know : climate legislation ; health care reform ; stimulus ; bail-outs , etc.Once again , I beg you : Impeach obama and all democrats !
Remove the czars , they have no oversight ( management ) ! Do not let the criminal organization acorn or any of its ' affiliates take any part in the census ! Do not let sotomyer become a supreme court justice !
She has been over-turned too many times and for not following the law !
We do not need any empathetic or sympathetic judges at the supreme court ! Deport all illegal aliens !
They are alread criminals - they crossed illegally !
! No government run health care plan !
No government funded health plan !
Reduce the rediculous judgements in mal-practice cases ! Return funding to hydrogen transportation projects !
Yeah , you green idiots - no battery waste !
and fewer polutants ! Allow new and expanded nuclear power plants !
They are safe - the French use them !
One by-product is hydrogen which can fuel vehicles !
Now there is your cheap energy ! Restor funding for the Yuca mountain nuclear waste storage facility and stop the requirement that each state build thier own !
Each state building there own is Yet Another Idiot Moron Democrat Idea ( YAIMDI ) ! Repeal all laws passed since the innaguration ! Get the idiot moron so-called comedian al franken out of the senate !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>YET ANOTHER IDIOT, MORON , DEMOCRAT IDEA - kill business, capitalism, etc!!
!Government needs to stay out of business and personal affairs!No new taxes!No increases in taxes!No hidden taxes!
You know:  climate legislation; health care reform; stimulus; bail-outs, etc.Once again, I beg you:Impeach obama and all democrats!
Remove the czars, they have no oversight (management)!Do not let the criminal organization acorn or any of its' affiliates take any part in the census!Do not let sotomyer become a supreme court justice!
She has been over-turned too many times and for not following the law!
We do not need any empathetic or sympathetic judges at the supreme court!Deport all illegal aliens!
They are alread criminals - they crossed illegally!
!No government run health care plan!
No government funded health plan!
Reduce the rediculous judgements in mal-practice cases!Return funding to hydrogen transportation projects!
Yeah, you green idiots - no battery waste!
and fewer polutants!Allow new and expanded nuclear power plants!
They are safe - the French use them!
One by-product is hydrogen which can fuel vehicles!
Now there is your cheap energy!Restor funding for the Yuca mountain nuclear waste storage facility and stop the requirement that each state build thier own!
Each state building there own is Yet Another Idiot Moron Democrat Idea (YAIMDI)!Repeal all laws passed since the innaguration!Get the idiot moron so-called comedian al franken out of the senate!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28527333</id>
	<title>Pot and Kettle</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246372380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the Pot calling the kettle black...  The US needs to grow up a little bit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the Pot calling the kettle black... The US needs to grow up a little bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the Pot calling the kettle black...  The US needs to grow up a little bit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524853</id>
	<title>selling weapons is fine</title>
	<author>kwikrick</author>
	<datestamp>1246303320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what about the scores of  US companies that have sold and are selling weapons to Iran, to other hostile, dictatorial and oppressive regimes and to third world counties. WTF! In my book that is much worse than what Siemens and Nokia did. Oh, but these are not US companies.... so that makes it alright then. Hypocrits.</p><p>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what about the scores of US companies that have sold and are selling weapons to Iran , to other hostile , dictatorial and oppressive regimes and to third world counties .
WTF ! In my book that is much worse than what Siemens and Nokia did .
Oh , but these are not US companies.... so that makes it alright then .
Hypocrits .  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>what about the scores of  US companies that have sold and are selling weapons to Iran, to other hostile, dictatorial and oppressive regimes and to third world counties.
WTF! In my book that is much worse than what Siemens and Nokia did.
Oh, but these are not US companies.... so that makes it alright then.
Hypocrits.
 </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524057</id>
	<title>Maybe a good internal but not international agenda</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246294980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You can't choose to act as credible open-market proponent AND choose legally codify preferential selection on basis of political opinions when your own companies have actual competition.</p><p>Of course US and its politicians are not the only country doing this kind of idiotic double talk, but it's one of the very few big that don't seem to get seriously injured in international politics and open markets by consistently pushing others to accept their own internal idiocies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You ca n't choose to act as credible open-market proponent AND choose legally codify preferential selection on basis of political opinions when your own companies have actual competition.Of course US and its politicians are not the only country doing this kind of idiotic double talk , but it 's one of the very few big that do n't seem to get seriously injured in international politics and open markets by consistently pushing others to accept their own internal idiocies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You can't choose to act as credible open-market proponent AND choose legally codify preferential selection on basis of political opinions when your own companies have actual competition.Of course US and its politicians are not the only country doing this kind of idiotic double talk, but it's one of the very few big that don't seem to get seriously injured in international politics and open markets by consistently pushing others to accept their own internal idiocies.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28525201</id>
	<title>Re:Don't be so quick to defend the corporations.</title>
	<author>JAlexoi</author>
	<datestamp>1246393800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>That's not hypocrisy on behalf of the governments. That's just politics.</p></div></blockquote><p>
Hypocrisy is the very essence of politics, at least in US it seems to be.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's not hypocrisy on behalf of the governments .
That 's just politics .
Hypocrisy is the very essence of politics , at least in US it seems to be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's not hypocrisy on behalf of the governments.
That's just politics.
Hypocrisy is the very essence of politics, at least in US it seems to be.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28523993</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28533269</id>
	<title>The New Odd Couple</title>
	<author>Nom du Keyboard</author>
	<datestamp>1246393200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>US Senators Schumer and Graham - talk about an Odd Couple!</htmltext>
<tokenext>US Senators Schumer and Graham - talk about an Odd Couple !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>US Senators Schumer and Graham - talk about an Odd Couple!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28526609</id>
	<title>Re:Godwin's Law</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246368180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and so that makes it OK??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and so that makes it OK ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and so that makes it OK?
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524151</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524605</id>
	<title>Re:Godwin's Law</title>
	<author>afxgrin</author>
	<datestamp>1246300080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ford as well.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ford as well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ford as well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524151</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28541311</id>
	<title>Disinformation</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246458180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It constantly amazes me the sheep who blindly follow the US Government...not everything they say is gospel people...use your own bloody minds and think for once.  This is not about some IDS' sold to Iran...this is about disinformation and building hatred towards a country as a whole in order to justify future offensives...sigh, nobody ever learns from history do they.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It constantly amazes me the sheep who blindly follow the US Government...not everything they say is gospel people...use your own bloody minds and think for once .
This is not about some IDS ' sold to Iran...this is about disinformation and building hatred towards a country as a whole in order to justify future offensives...sigh , nobody ever learns from history do they .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It constantly amazes me the sheep who blindly follow the US Government...not everything they say is gospel people...use your own bloody minds and think for once.
This is not about some IDS' sold to Iran...this is about disinformation and building hatred towards a country as a whole in order to justify future offensives...sigh, nobody ever learns from history do they.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524523</id>
	<title>Re:Don't be so quick to defend the corporations.</title>
	<author>japa</author>
	<datestamp>1246299300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't like what the US government is doing itself in the area of human rights abuse, but I have to admit that I support it on this matter.</p><p>GrpA</p></div><p>The US government would have more credibility if they'd start with US companies and then go after the international ones. Or at least target both at the same time. And besides there are many countries with questionable record in human rights. One of the lesser known, but incredible bizarre is Turkmenistan, a mall country with lots of oil &amp; gas. The previous leader came up with <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhnama" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Ruhnama</a> [wikipedia.org], which is an absurd government propaganda book disguised as mandatory religion. Foreign companies get advantage in Turkmenistan if they translate the book to their language and Turkmenistan gets another propaganda victory. The US version was translated by John Deere (the tractor company). There are other big US companies in Turkmenistan, againt the companies' own ethical rules. <br>Have a look at a documentary <a href="http://www.shadowoftheholybook.com/" title="shadowoftheholybook.com" rel="nofollow">'Shadow of the holy book'</a> [shadowoftheholybook.com]. </p><p>The whole thing is so unreal that it's absurd..
</p><p>Ps. Yes, you can find Siemens also from Turkmenistan...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't like what the US government is doing itself in the area of human rights abuse , but I have to admit that I support it on this matter.GrpAThe US government would have more credibility if they 'd start with US companies and then go after the international ones .
Or at least target both at the same time .
And besides there are many countries with questionable record in human rights .
One of the lesser known , but incredible bizarre is Turkmenistan , a mall country with lots of oil &amp; gas .
The previous leader came up with Ruhnama [ wikipedia.org ] , which is an absurd government propaganda book disguised as mandatory religion .
Foreign companies get advantage in Turkmenistan if they translate the book to their language and Turkmenistan gets another propaganda victory .
The US version was translated by John Deere ( the tractor company ) .
There are other big US companies in Turkmenistan , againt the companies ' own ethical rules .
Have a look at a documentary 'Shadow of the holy book ' [ shadowoftheholybook.com ] .
The whole thing is so unreal that it 's absurd. . Ps. Yes , you can find Siemens also from Turkmenistan.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't like what the US government is doing itself in the area of human rights abuse, but I have to admit that I support it on this matter.GrpAThe US government would have more credibility if they'd start with US companies and then go after the international ones.
Or at least target both at the same time.
And besides there are many countries with questionable record in human rights.
One of the lesser known, but incredible bizarre is Turkmenistan, a mall country with lots of oil &amp; gas.
The previous leader came up with Ruhnama [wikipedia.org], which is an absurd government propaganda book disguised as mandatory religion.
Foreign companies get advantage in Turkmenistan if they translate the book to their language and Turkmenistan gets another propaganda victory.
The US version was translated by John Deere (the tractor company).
There are other big US companies in Turkmenistan, againt the companies' own ethical rules.
Have a look at a documentary 'Shadow of the holy book' [shadowoftheholybook.com].
The whole thing is so unreal that it's absurd..
Ps. Yes, you can find Siemens also from Turkmenistan...
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28523993</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28528141</id>
	<title>Re:First uncensored post</title>
	<author>Tubal-Cain</author>
	<datestamp>1246376040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I doubt these Senators know that. Why not tell them?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt these Senators know that .
Why not tell them ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt these Senators know that.
Why not tell them?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28523843</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524253</id>
	<title>Ok</title>
	<author>Toonol</author>
	<datestamp>1246296840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It wouldn't hurt my feelings to punish companies that sell products that are specifically designed to oppress nations, but we also need to punish American companies that do that.  Including censoring information, and disclosing information to help those regimes violate rights.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It would n't hurt my feelings to punish companies that sell products that are specifically designed to oppress nations , but we also need to punish American companies that do that .
Including censoring information , and disclosing information to help those regimes violate rights .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It wouldn't hurt my feelings to punish companies that sell products that are specifically designed to oppress nations, but we also need to punish American companies that do that.
Including censoring information, and disclosing information to help those regimes violate rights.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28530749</id>
	<title>It is definitely the fault of the anti-government</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246384620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interception can be used against the government. Like what Vodafone did in Greece (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek\_telephone\_tapping\_case\_2004-2005). It is definitely the fault of the anti-government people of Iran that they failed to use what Nokia Siemens Networks provided.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interception can be used against the government .
Like what Vodafone did in Greece ( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek \ _telephone \ _tapping \ _case \ _2004-2005 ) .
It is definitely the fault of the anti-government people of Iran that they failed to use what Nokia Siemens Networks provided .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interception can be used against the government.
Like what Vodafone did in Greece (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek\_telephone\_tapping\_case\_2004-2005).
It is definitely the fault of the anti-government people of Iran that they failed to use what Nokia Siemens Networks provided.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524589</id>
	<title>Heaven forbid</title>
	<author>kalpaha</author>
	<datestamp>1246299960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>How dare they sell equipment  to implement legally required (and specified by ETSI and 3GPP standards) capabilies for the mobile networks:

<a href="http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/global/Press/Press+releases/news-archive/Provision+of+Lawful+Intercept+capability+in+Iran.htm" title="nokiasiemensnetworks.com">http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/global/Press/Press+releases/news-archive/Provision+of+Lawful+Intercept+capability+in+Iran.htm</a> [nokiasiemensnetworks.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>How dare they sell equipment to implement legally required ( and specified by ETSI and 3GPP standards ) capabilies for the mobile networks : http : //www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/global/Press/Press + releases/news-archive/Provision + of + Lawful + Intercept + capability + in + Iran.htm [ nokiasiemensnetworks.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How dare they sell equipment  to implement legally required (and specified by ETSI and 3GPP standards) capabilies for the mobile networks:

http://www.nokiasiemensnetworks.com/global/Press/Press+releases/news-archive/Provision+of+Lawful+Intercept+capability+in+Iran.htm [nokiasiemensnetworks.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524551</id>
	<title>biznat3h</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246299660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>live and 4 job to *BSD but FreeBSD distribution make 5urvive at all</htmltext>
<tokenext>live and 4 job to * BSD but FreeBSD distribution make 5urvive at all</tokentext>
<sentencetext>live and 4 job to *BSD but FreeBSD distribution make 5urvive at all</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524813</id>
	<title>Erlang</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246302720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hereby I declare:
<p>
Ericksson does not supply a murderous and suppressive theocracy with telecom equipment.
</p><p>
Therefore, Erlang != Evil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hereby I declare : Ericksson does not supply a murderous and suppressive theocracy with telecom equipment .
Therefore , Erlang ! = Evil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hereby I declare:

Ericksson does not supply a murderous and suppressive theocracy with telecom equipment.
Therefore, Erlang != Evil.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524285</id>
	<title>Two choices</title>
	<author>mellestad</author>
	<datestamp>1246297080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>America needs to decide a)Iran is a horrible regime and should be treated as such, which included cutting off any business or country that profits by selling to it, or b) leave them alone.

This is all wishy-washy jerking off after the fact.  None of this tech is classified or sensitive, so you can't say they were selling them weapons grade material or something.  You can't punish a corporation after the fact when the did not break a single international law.

These spineless half measures reek of hypocrisy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>America needs to decide a ) Iran is a horrible regime and should be treated as such , which included cutting off any business or country that profits by selling to it , or b ) leave them alone .
This is all wishy-washy jerking off after the fact .
None of this tech is classified or sensitive , so you ca n't say they were selling them weapons grade material or something .
You ca n't punish a corporation after the fact when the did not break a single international law .
These spineless half measures reek of hypocrisy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>America needs to decide a)Iran is a horrible regime and should be treated as such, which included cutting off any business or country that profits by selling to it, or b) leave them alone.
This is all wishy-washy jerking off after the fact.
None of this tech is classified or sensitive, so you can't say they were selling them weapons grade material or something.
You can't punish a corporation after the fact when the did not break a single international law.
These spineless half measures reek of hypocrisy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524481</id>
	<title>Re:Godwin's Law</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1246298880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So did <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens#World\_War\_II\_era" title="wikipedia.org">Siemens</a> [wikipedia.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So did Siemens [ wikipedia.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So did Siemens [wikipedia.org].</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524151</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28525429</id>
	<title>Ridiculous</title>
	<author>agw</author>
	<datestamp>1246353300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Siemens sold the same stuff to Germany/German operators.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Siemens sold the same stuff to Germany/German operators .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Siemens sold the same stuff to Germany/German operators.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28542789</id>
	<title>Technology Evaluation Centers is selling to Iran</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246465140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>TEC (www.technologyevaluationcenters.com) deals with Iran. It is not high tech, but technology, never-the-less.</p><p>They may fall into the Nokia - Seimans situation.</p><p>Anonymous</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TEC ( www.technologyevaluationcenters.com ) deals with Iran .
It is not high tech , but technology , never-the-less.They may fall into the Nokia - Seimans situation.Anonymous</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TEC (www.technologyevaluationcenters.com) deals with Iran.
It is not high tech, but technology, never-the-less.They may fall into the Nokia - Seimans situation.Anonymous</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524373</id>
	<title>"Four feet good! Two feet bad!" (Animal Farm)</title>
	<author>fluch</author>
	<datestamp>1246297860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As far as I have heard Nokia and Siemens did just sell the same technology they are forced by the "good countries" to implement already for years. So what is the problem?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As far as I have heard Nokia and Siemens did just sell the same technology they are forced by the " good countries " to implement already for years .
So what is the problem ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As far as I have heard Nokia and Siemens did just sell the same technology they are forced by the "good countries" to implement already for years.
So what is the problem?
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28526961</id>
	<title>Israel Gaza Massacre</title>
	<author>Dan667</author>
	<datestamp>1246370640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Look forward to the bill by Schumer and Graham banning companies that sell to israel after their massacre in Gaza and increasing their illegal occupation of the Palestinian State.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Look forward to the bill by Schumer and Graham banning companies that sell to israel after their massacre in Gaza and increasing their illegal occupation of the Palestinian State .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Look forward to the bill by Schumer and Graham banning companies that sell to israel after their massacre in Gaza and increasing their illegal occupation of the Palestinian State.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28523923</id>
	<title>meanwhile</title>
	<author>uepuejq</author>
	<datestamp>1246293840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>at&amp;t has now recompounded with cingular to form voltron</htmltext>
<tokenext>at&amp;t has now recompounded with cingular to form voltron</tokentext>
<sentencetext>at&amp;t has now recompounded with cingular to form voltron</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28523847</id>
	<title>Because Cisco would never do such a thing</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246293180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is bull shit. Cisco sold the same type of stuff to China.</p><p>This is just more bullshit for the U.S. government to work around trade agreements they've signed in the past.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is bull shit .
Cisco sold the same type of stuff to China.This is just more bullshit for the U.S. government to work around trade agreements they 've signed in the past .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is bull shit.
Cisco sold the same type of stuff to China.This is just more bullshit for the U.S. government to work around trade agreements they've signed in the past.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28525253</id>
	<title>So hypocritical.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246394280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whilst I think it's horrific that they sold such tools, isn't the same types of equipment used in the US and UK? What about the IWF? Great that they're speaking against their actions, but first maybe they should ban such equipment in the US.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whilst I think it 's horrific that they sold such tools , is n't the same types of equipment used in the US and UK ?
What about the IWF ?
Great that they 're speaking against their actions , but first maybe they should ban such equipment in the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whilst I think it's horrific that they sold such tools, isn't the same types of equipment used in the US and UK?
What about the IWF?
Great that they're speaking against their actions, but first maybe they should ban such equipment in the US.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28526499</id>
	<title>Lawful Intercept</title>
	<author>funkboy</author>
	<datestamp>1246367160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the scariest think about all this is the fact that the Lawful Intercept features that the Iranian national telecom and every other 3G operator on the planet have in their equipment are<a href="http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering\_Technology/News\_Releases/1998/nret8014.txt" title="fcc.gov" rel="nofollow">FEDERALLY MANDATED</a> [fcc.gov], and the legislators in question are obviously unaware of or blatantly ignoring this fact.</p><p>Not that this is news, but the right hand of the US Govt obviously has no f'ing clue what the left hand is doing.  They obviously want some good PR by poo-pooing some companies that were doing business with Iran, and Nokia Siemens easily fell to hand.  They didn't bother to do their homework, and now Nokia Siemens has a huge mess on their hands as a result of a lot of people with very loud voices being f'ing clueless about telecoms.</p><p>NEWS FLASH:  IF YOU WANT TO CUT OFF THE FLOW OF MONEY TO THIS OPPRESSIVE ILLEGITIMATE IRANIAN SHAM GOVERNMENT, PUT PRESSURE ON THEIR CUSTOMERS TO BUY THEIR OIL AND GUNS ELSEWHERE OR FACE SANCTIONS</p><p>This is really basic stuff, and we've done it before.  All their money comes from selling oil and weapons.  Anyone messing with anything else is trying to make themselves look good for political reasons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the scariest think about all this is the fact that the Lawful Intercept features that the Iranian national telecom and every other 3G operator on the planet have in their equipment areFEDERALLY MANDATED [ fcc.gov ] , and the legislators in question are obviously unaware of or blatantly ignoring this fact.Not that this is news , but the right hand of the US Govt obviously has no f'ing clue what the left hand is doing .
They obviously want some good PR by poo-pooing some companies that were doing business with Iran , and Nokia Siemens easily fell to hand .
They did n't bother to do their homework , and now Nokia Siemens has a huge mess on their hands as a result of a lot of people with very loud voices being f'ing clueless about telecoms.NEWS FLASH : IF YOU WANT TO CUT OFF THE FLOW OF MONEY TO THIS OPPRESSIVE ILLEGITIMATE IRANIAN SHAM GOVERNMENT , PUT PRESSURE ON THEIR CUSTOMERS TO BUY THEIR OIL AND GUNS ELSEWHERE OR FACE SANCTIONSThis is really basic stuff , and we 've done it before .
All their money comes from selling oil and weapons .
Anyone messing with anything else is trying to make themselves look good for political reasons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the scariest think about all this is the fact that the Lawful Intercept features that the Iranian national telecom and every other 3G operator on the planet have in their equipment areFEDERALLY MANDATED [fcc.gov], and the legislators in question are obviously unaware of or blatantly ignoring this fact.Not that this is news, but the right hand of the US Govt obviously has no f'ing clue what the left hand is doing.
They obviously want some good PR by poo-pooing some companies that were doing business with Iran, and Nokia Siemens easily fell to hand.
They didn't bother to do their homework, and now Nokia Siemens has a huge mess on their hands as a result of a lot of people with very loud voices being f'ing clueless about telecoms.NEWS FLASH:  IF YOU WANT TO CUT OFF THE FLOW OF MONEY TO THIS OPPRESSIVE ILLEGITIMATE IRANIAN SHAM GOVERNMENT, PUT PRESSURE ON THEIR CUSTOMERS TO BUY THEIR OIL AND GUNS ELSEWHERE OR FACE SANCTIONSThis is really basic stuff, and we've done it before.
All their money comes from selling oil and weapons.
Anyone messing with anything else is trying to make themselves look good for political reasons.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28523981</id>
	<title>The inconsistency is a good one.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246294200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sold too USA good, sold to Iran bad is a good inconsistency because of another level: Iran is an unpopular theocracy using the technology to sustain their reign.

Even factoring in the likely illegitimacy of G W Bush's reign, the rulership in the USA has never been as sustained/entrenched unpopular regime as that of Iran.

It is Apples and Oranges, and one should not get the technology.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sold too USA good , sold to Iran bad is a good inconsistency because of another level : Iran is an unpopular theocracy using the technology to sustain their reign .
Even factoring in the likely illegitimacy of G W Bush 's reign , the rulership in the USA has never been as sustained/entrenched unpopular regime as that of Iran .
It is Apples and Oranges , and one should not get the technology .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sold too USA good, sold to Iran bad is a good inconsistency because of another level: Iran is an unpopular theocracy using the technology to sustain their reign.
Even factoring in the likely illegitimacy of G W Bush's reign, the rulership in the USA has never been as sustained/entrenched unpopular regime as that of Iran.
It is Apples and Oranges, and one should not get the technology.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524189</id>
	<title>Pointless.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246296360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They'll just spin off a division to handle it instead.</p><p>And its not like they probably haven't sold same equipment to US government...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They 'll just spin off a division to handle it instead.And its not like they probably have n't sold same equipment to US government.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They'll just spin off a division to handle it instead.And its not like they probably haven't sold same equipment to US government...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524165</id>
	<title>Re:Don't be so quick to defend the corporations.</title>
	<author>KTheorem</author>
	<datestamp>1246296180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a bit like my boycott of stores that I know openly supported Prop 8 only on a governmental scale. Nokia et al. made deals that the US government thought were counter to it's own interests and goals and so it is finding itself in the position of the US government boycotting them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a bit like my boycott of stores that I know openly supported Prop 8 only on a governmental scale .
Nokia et al .
made deals that the US government thought were counter to it 's own interests and goals and so it is finding itself in the position of the US government boycotting them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a bit like my boycott of stores that I know openly supported Prop 8 only on a governmental scale.
Nokia et al.
made deals that the US government thought were counter to it's own interests and goals and so it is finding itself in the position of the US government boycotting them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28523993</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28526821</id>
	<title>hypocrisy in action</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246369860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what about the warrant less wiretapping and the abuse of foreign journalists by the dept of imagination and the TSA here at home?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what about the warrant less wiretapping and the abuse of foreign journalists by the dept of imagination and the TSA here at home ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what about the warrant less wiretapping and the abuse of foreign journalists by the dept of imagination and the TSA here at home?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28535741</id>
	<title>Re:Don't be so quick to defend the corporations.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246361460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>There's a mandatory "lawful intercept" capability that you have to implement if you want to get the gear licensed. That goes for US, UK and EU as well as "axis of evil" countries.</i> </p><p>Yep, all due to the wonders of the US CALEA. OTOH, there used to be export restrictions on strong encryption. A given product had to provide a lower grade encryption option for export. Why not apply that same process to export of this kind of shit? At least for Cisco, et al., even if we have no control over foreign vendors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There 's a mandatory " lawful intercept " capability that you have to implement if you want to get the gear licensed .
That goes for US , UK and EU as well as " axis of evil " countries .
Yep , all due to the wonders of the US CALEA .
OTOH , there used to be export restrictions on strong encryption .
A given product had to provide a lower grade encryption option for export .
Why not apply that same process to export of this kind of shit ?
At least for Cisco , et al. , even if we have no control over foreign vendors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There's a mandatory "lawful intercept" capability that you have to implement if you want to get the gear licensed.
That goes for US, UK and EU as well as "axis of evil" countries.
Yep, all due to the wonders of the US CALEA.
OTOH, there used to be export restrictions on strong encryption.
A given product had to provide a lower grade encryption option for export.
Why not apply that same process to export of this kind of shit?
At least for Cisco, et al., even if we have no control over foreign vendors.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524135</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524139</id>
	<title>Oh I see</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1246296000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speaking up in favor of protestors is seen as meddling but sending out a strong signal that if you sell anything hi tech to Iran your stuff will be shunned by the U.S. will have no impact whatsoever.</p><p>The horse may have left the barn,  but if we nuke the barn from orbit we can be sure no future horses will even be born.  Or something like that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking up in favor of protestors is seen as meddling but sending out a strong signal that if you sell anything hi tech to Iran your stuff will be shunned by the U.S. will have no impact whatsoever.The horse may have left the barn , but if we nuke the barn from orbit we can be sure no future horses will even be born .
Or something like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking up in favor of protestors is seen as meddling but sending out a strong signal that if you sell anything hi tech to Iran your stuff will be shunned by the U.S. will have no impact whatsoever.The horse may have left the barn,  but if we nuke the barn from orbit we can be sure no future horses will even be born.
Or something like that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28527861</id>
	<title>Re:First uncensored post</title>
	<author>Runaway1956</author>
	<datestamp>1246374840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://slashdot.org/submission/1029489/The-lowdown-on-the-Iranian-uprising" title="slashdot.org">http://slashdot.org/submission/1029489/The-lowdown-on-the-Iranian-uprising</a> [slashdot.org]</p><p>The situation in Iran is NOT what the media makes it out to be here.  Nor is it what our government would like us to believe.</p><p>Human rights abuses?  Maybe, but it's really awfully damned small scale, considering all the coverage.  But, it makes for good bandwagon bullshit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //slashdot.org/submission/1029489/The-lowdown-on-the-Iranian-uprising [ slashdot.org ] The situation in Iran is NOT what the media makes it out to be here .
Nor is it what our government would like us to believe.Human rights abuses ?
Maybe , but it 's really awfully damned small scale , considering all the coverage .
But , it makes for good bandwagon bullshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://slashdot.org/submission/1029489/The-lowdown-on-the-Iranian-uprising [slashdot.org]The situation in Iran is NOT what the media makes it out to be here.
Nor is it what our government would like us to believe.Human rights abuses?
Maybe, but it's really awfully damned small scale, considering all the coverage.
But, it makes for good bandwagon bullshit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28523843</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28525057</id>
	<title>Protectionism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246392120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) I work for Nokia and am as worried as anyone else by this. However, I happen to know things are not as black and white as some would like to believe here.<br>2) I happen to know that said technology requires certain hardware components developed only by US companies. Nokia outsources a lot of stuff. In other words, some big well known US companies worked around the embargo to make Nokia Siemens products work. Hardware, support, etc courtesy of US companies, no doubt for a fat profit.<br>3) In general, US companies make shitloads of money working around their own governments embargos.<br>4) The embargo is not world wide. Europe has been trying to normalize economic relations with Iran for years. Nokia is a European company and, like it or not, was complying with all applicable regulations. The only violations of the embargo here were by US companies delivering essential components on site in Iran (through a well financed network of middlemen operating from various countries).</p><p>So singling out foreign companies is a form of protectionism and has little to do with protecting the people of Iran. Don't be to surprised to find some big US telco companies quietly backing and lobbying for these measures. They have a lot of interest in prolonging the situation where domestic US telco market is protected from foreign influences like Nokia, which is a market leader outside the US.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) I work for Nokia and am as worried as anyone else by this .
However , I happen to know things are not as black and white as some would like to believe here.2 ) I happen to know that said technology requires certain hardware components developed only by US companies .
Nokia outsources a lot of stuff .
In other words , some big well known US companies worked around the embargo to make Nokia Siemens products work .
Hardware , support , etc courtesy of US companies , no doubt for a fat profit.3 ) In general , US companies make shitloads of money working around their own governments embargos.4 ) The embargo is not world wide .
Europe has been trying to normalize economic relations with Iran for years .
Nokia is a European company and , like it or not , was complying with all applicable regulations .
The only violations of the embargo here were by US companies delivering essential components on site in Iran ( through a well financed network of middlemen operating from various countries ) .So singling out foreign companies is a form of protectionism and has little to do with protecting the people of Iran .
Do n't be to surprised to find some big US telco companies quietly backing and lobbying for these measures .
They have a lot of interest in prolonging the situation where domestic US telco market is protected from foreign influences like Nokia , which is a market leader outside the US .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) I work for Nokia and am as worried as anyone else by this.
However, I happen to know things are not as black and white as some would like to believe here.2) I happen to know that said technology requires certain hardware components developed only by US companies.
Nokia outsources a lot of stuff.
In other words, some big well known US companies worked around the embargo to make Nokia Siemens products work.
Hardware, support, etc courtesy of US companies, no doubt for a fat profit.3) In general, US companies make shitloads of money working around their own governments embargos.4) The embargo is not world wide.
Europe has been trying to normalize economic relations with Iran for years.
Nokia is a European company and, like it or not, was complying with all applicable regulations.
The only violations of the embargo here were by US companies delivering essential components on site in Iran (through a well financed network of middlemen operating from various countries).So singling out foreign companies is a form of protectionism and has little to do with protecting the people of Iran.
Don't be to surprised to find some big US telco companies quietly backing and lobbying for these measures.
They have a lot of interest in prolonging the situation where domestic US telco market is protected from foreign influences like Nokia, which is a market leader outside the US.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524151</id>
	<title>Godwin's Law</title>
	<author>ChunderDownunder</author>
	<datestamp>1246296060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>IBM, allegedly, collaborated with the Nazis.</p><p>Corporations making a quick buck through trading with 'the enemy' is nothing new.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>IBM , allegedly , collaborated with the Nazis.Corporations making a quick buck through trading with 'the enemy ' is nothing new .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>IBM, allegedly, collaborated with the Nazis.Corporations making a quick buck through trading with 'the enemy' is nothing new.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524197</id>
	<title>Uncompetitive Country</title>
	<author>lsdi</author>
	<datestamp>1246296420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Those actions turn the US into a less competitive country and will not stop people from having cell phones, software, etc wherever they live. I don't think Nokia cares very much about federal contracts right now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Those actions turn the US into a less competitive country and will not stop people from having cell phones , software , etc wherever they live .
I do n't think Nokia cares very much about federal contracts right now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those actions turn the US into a less competitive country and will not stop people from having cell phones, software, etc wherever they live.
I don't think Nokia cares very much about federal contracts right now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524417</id>
	<title>The filtering/logging might not exist...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246298280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>    If it weren't for CALEA: http://www.fcc.gov/calea/. Nokia/Siemens might have said "no, it's to costly to implement something like this so you can take it or leave it." Instead the system was already in place, tested, and working and sat right on top of their existing offerings as dictated BY YOU.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I'm certainly not condoning companies from doing business of this sort *coughCiscocough*, but the hypocrisy makes me sick. Why don't go after other counties that do something similar to what Iran is doing and go after the companies that built those networks. Oh wait, because that's EVERYBODY.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; These guys are such douchebags and don't even understand the consequences of their actions could be. The fact is that sure, Iran could have been sold this equipment without the filtering or logging, but would they have bought it knowing they had 0 control over it? Doubtful. Because there's 1 fact about the internet that held true time and time again, as long as the wire isn't cut you cannot stop it. By having companies like Cisco or Nokia/Siemens doing the installs, the free world automatically gets a leg up on the situation because we <i>know exactly how they work</i> and can help those that want a free voice get around it. The engineers that even built the systems are on our side, they know what's going on and while they do not condone it, the end game is that if people are given the ability, they will find a way.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; The alternative is these countries doing a few things. First no internet, nobody would have access. Not even filtered access. This doesn't help anyone. They would become completely and totally cut off from everybody except for whatever their state "media" spews out. Or the other possibility is that they would have had their own in house guys do it. If it were something that they absolutely needed, and they needed to have total control over it, they would have had their own engineers design the equipment and software to implement their cell/internet network. This would have a couple issues, firstly being they could break it for the rest of us, see the Pakistan/Youtube incident. Another issue that would exist, is that their engineers would have likely seen the issues with the current implementation and improved upon it by providing a far more intrusive filtering/logging that would ultimately cause the deaths of many many more people.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I do not like it anymore than the rest of you, but the fact is, is that as long as there exist a means in which one can voice their own opinion freely they will find a way. What we saw from Iran is the people finding that way. Had Iran not had the means, it wouldn't have happened at all. It's like the Tiananmen/Google thing that comes up every so often. Does it make Google evil to filter it? Maybe. But the alternative is not having Google in China. You know what you can find on Google in China? A way to bypass the Great Firewall.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it were n't for CALEA : http : //www.fcc.gov/calea/ .
Nokia/Siemens might have said " no , it 's to costly to implement something like this so you can take it or leave it .
" Instead the system was already in place , tested , and working and sat right on top of their existing offerings as dictated BY YOU .
        I 'm certainly not condoning companies from doing business of this sort * coughCiscocough * , but the hypocrisy makes me sick .
Why do n't go after other counties that do something similar to what Iran is doing and go after the companies that built those networks .
Oh wait , because that 's EVERYBODY .
        These guys are such douchebags and do n't even understand the consequences of their actions could be .
The fact is that sure , Iran could have been sold this equipment without the filtering or logging , but would they have bought it knowing they had 0 control over it ?
Doubtful. Because there 's 1 fact about the internet that held true time and time again , as long as the wire is n't cut you can not stop it .
By having companies like Cisco or Nokia/Siemens doing the installs , the free world automatically gets a leg up on the situation because we know exactly how they work and can help those that want a free voice get around it .
The engineers that even built the systems are on our side , they know what 's going on and while they do not condone it , the end game is that if people are given the ability , they will find a way .
        The alternative is these countries doing a few things .
First no internet , nobody would have access .
Not even filtered access .
This does n't help anyone .
They would become completely and totally cut off from everybody except for whatever their state " media " spews out .
Or the other possibility is that they would have had their own in house guys do it .
If it were something that they absolutely needed , and they needed to have total control over it , they would have had their own engineers design the equipment and software to implement their cell/internet network .
This would have a couple issues , firstly being they could break it for the rest of us , see the Pakistan/Youtube incident .
Another issue that would exist , is that their engineers would have likely seen the issues with the current implementation and improved upon it by providing a far more intrusive filtering/logging that would ultimately cause the deaths of many many more people .
        I do not like it anymore than the rest of you , but the fact is , is that as long as there exist a means in which one can voice their own opinion freely they will find a way .
What we saw from Iran is the people finding that way .
Had Iran not had the means , it would n't have happened at all .
It 's like the Tiananmen/Google thing that comes up every so often .
Does it make Google evil to filter it ?
Maybe. But the alternative is not having Google in China .
You know what you can find on Google in China ?
A way to bypass the Great Firewall .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>    If it weren't for CALEA: http://www.fcc.gov/calea/.
Nokia/Siemens might have said "no, it's to costly to implement something like this so you can take it or leave it.
" Instead the system was already in place, tested, and working and sat right on top of their existing offerings as dictated BY YOU.
        I'm certainly not condoning companies from doing business of this sort *coughCiscocough*, but the hypocrisy makes me sick.
Why don't go after other counties that do something similar to what Iran is doing and go after the companies that built those networks.
Oh wait, because that's EVERYBODY.
        These guys are such douchebags and don't even understand the consequences of their actions could be.
The fact is that sure, Iran could have been sold this equipment without the filtering or logging, but would they have bought it knowing they had 0 control over it?
Doubtful. Because there's 1 fact about the internet that held true time and time again, as long as the wire isn't cut you cannot stop it.
By having companies like Cisco or Nokia/Siemens doing the installs, the free world automatically gets a leg up on the situation because we know exactly how they work and can help those that want a free voice get around it.
The engineers that even built the systems are on our side, they know what's going on and while they do not condone it, the end game is that if people are given the ability, they will find a way.
        The alternative is these countries doing a few things.
First no internet, nobody would have access.
Not even filtered access.
This doesn't help anyone.
They would become completely and totally cut off from everybody except for whatever their state "media" spews out.
Or the other possibility is that they would have had their own in house guys do it.
If it were something that they absolutely needed, and they needed to have total control over it, they would have had their own engineers design the equipment and software to implement their cell/internet network.
This would have a couple issues, firstly being they could break it for the rest of us, see the Pakistan/Youtube incident.
Another issue that would exist, is that their engineers would have likely seen the issues with the current implementation and improved upon it by providing a far more intrusive filtering/logging that would ultimately cause the deaths of many many more people.
        I do not like it anymore than the rest of you, but the fact is, is that as long as there exist a means in which one can voice their own opinion freely they will find a way.
What we saw from Iran is the people finding that way.
Had Iran not had the means, it wouldn't have happened at all.
It's like the Tiananmen/Google thing that comes up every so often.
Does it make Google evil to filter it?
Maybe. But the alternative is not having Google in China.
You know what you can find on Google in China?
A way to bypass the Great Firewall.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28525083</id>
	<title>Read your bible every day, dear senators!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246392480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Matt 7:3</p><p>For those not wanting to bother, it's the part about beams in your eye and splinters in that of another one.</p><p>Hey, I just want to give them something they can understand, considering how many politicians ride on God and his will into the house, I'd say they should know the good book, eh?</p><p>OK, snideness aside. Do you think this is about "freedom of speech" or similar bullcrap? It's about power. It's the attempt to dictate to foreign companies what they may or may not sell. Neither Siemens nor Nokia is a US company. It's simply an attempt to find out whether those companies rely heavily enough on US government contracts to actually bend over to US government's will.</p><p>And that's the shameful part. IF it was about free speech, I'd be very happy for such a bold and outright good move. Similar actions taken in the US lead me to the conclusion that this is not the case. Else, why care for the splinter in someone else's eye?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Matt 7 : 3For those not wanting to bother , it 's the part about beams in your eye and splinters in that of another one.Hey , I just want to give them something they can understand , considering how many politicians ride on God and his will into the house , I 'd say they should know the good book , eh ? OK , snideness aside .
Do you think this is about " freedom of speech " or similar bullcrap ?
It 's about power .
It 's the attempt to dictate to foreign companies what they may or may not sell .
Neither Siemens nor Nokia is a US company .
It 's simply an attempt to find out whether those companies rely heavily enough on US government contracts to actually bend over to US government 's will.And that 's the shameful part .
IF it was about free speech , I 'd be very happy for such a bold and outright good move .
Similar actions taken in the US lead me to the conclusion that this is not the case .
Else , why care for the splinter in someone else 's eye ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Matt 7:3For those not wanting to bother, it's the part about beams in your eye and splinters in that of another one.Hey, I just want to give them something they can understand, considering how many politicians ride on God and his will into the house, I'd say they should know the good book, eh?OK, snideness aside.
Do you think this is about "freedom of speech" or similar bullcrap?
It's about power.
It's the attempt to dictate to foreign companies what they may or may not sell.
Neither Siemens nor Nokia is a US company.
It's simply an attempt to find out whether those companies rely heavily enough on US government contracts to actually bend over to US government's will.And that's the shameful part.
IF it was about free speech, I'd be very happy for such a bold and outright good move.
Similar actions taken in the US lead me to the conclusion that this is not the case.
Else, why care for the splinter in someone else's eye?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524187</id>
	<title>Instead of whining about this</title>
	<author>symbolset</author>
	<datestamp>1246296300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let's do something useful.  Fire up a proxy and get it into the queue.  Start up a TOR node.  Get to work on WAP firmware that enables a wireless mesh network.  If you know somebody in-country, buy up a bunch of Micro-SD cards in decent capacities and mail them in, stuffed with downloaded videos of protests so that in case they don't have them they can share them around.  Even in the absence of networking, microSD cards are a discreet way to distribute large amounts of information.  If you receive mail from somebody in-country, check the package thoroughly for concealed data cards and publish what you find.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's do something useful .
Fire up a proxy and get it into the queue .
Start up a TOR node .
Get to work on WAP firmware that enables a wireless mesh network .
If you know somebody in-country , buy up a bunch of Micro-SD cards in decent capacities and mail them in , stuffed with downloaded videos of protests so that in case they do n't have them they can share them around .
Even in the absence of networking , microSD cards are a discreet way to distribute large amounts of information .
If you receive mail from somebody in-country , check the package thoroughly for concealed data cards and publish what you find .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's do something useful.
Fire up a proxy and get it into the queue.
Start up a TOR node.
Get to work on WAP firmware that enables a wireless mesh network.
If you know somebody in-country, buy up a bunch of Micro-SD cards in decent capacities and mail them in, stuffed with downloaded videos of protests so that in case they don't have them they can share them around.
Even in the absence of networking, microSD cards are a discreet way to distribute large amounts of information.
If you receive mail from somebody in-country, check the package thoroughly for concealed data cards and publish what you find.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28523993</id>
	<title>Don't be so quick to defend the corporations.</title>
	<author>GrpA</author>
	<datestamp>1246294320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As far as I'm concerned, multinational corporations deserve this and have done so for a long time.</p><p>They are crying foul that by selling the tools of oppression to one government, they jeopardize their chances to sell their wares to another.</p><p>That's not hypocrisy on behalf of the governments. That's just politics.</p><p>And they do have a choice to avoid this - by staying out of that market.</p><p>No one forced them to sell systems to allow oppressive regimes to track and crack down on dissidents. They came up with that product all by themselves. And they most certainly would have been aware of what their product was going to be used for.</p><p>If all they sold was phones and phone systems, they wouldn't be in this mess, so I really don't see a problem with the US Government deciding that if Nokia supports it's political enemies, that it shouldn't benefit from US government contracts.</p><p>Corporate pariahs's deserve to be treated as such.</p><p>I don't like what the US government is doing itself in the area of human rights abuse, but I have to admit that I support it on this matter.</p><p>GrpA</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As far as I 'm concerned , multinational corporations deserve this and have done so for a long time.They are crying foul that by selling the tools of oppression to one government , they jeopardize their chances to sell their wares to another.That 's not hypocrisy on behalf of the governments .
That 's just politics.And they do have a choice to avoid this - by staying out of that market.No one forced them to sell systems to allow oppressive regimes to track and crack down on dissidents .
They came up with that product all by themselves .
And they most certainly would have been aware of what their product was going to be used for.If all they sold was phones and phone systems , they would n't be in this mess , so I really do n't see a problem with the US Government deciding that if Nokia supports it 's political enemies , that it should n't benefit from US government contracts.Corporate pariahs 's deserve to be treated as such.I do n't like what the US government is doing itself in the area of human rights abuse , but I have to admit that I support it on this matter.GrpA</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As far as I'm concerned, multinational corporations deserve this and have done so for a long time.They are crying foul that by selling the tools of oppression to one government, they jeopardize their chances to sell their wares to another.That's not hypocrisy on behalf of the governments.
That's just politics.And they do have a choice to avoid this - by staying out of that market.No one forced them to sell systems to allow oppressive regimes to track and crack down on dissidents.
They came up with that product all by themselves.
And they most certainly would have been aware of what their product was going to be used for.If all they sold was phones and phone systems, they wouldn't be in this mess, so I really don't see a problem with the US Government deciding that if Nokia supports it's political enemies, that it shouldn't benefit from US government contracts.Corporate pariahs's deserve to be treated as such.I don't like what the US government is doing itself in the area of human rights abuse, but I have to admit that I support it on this matter.GrpA</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28527111</id>
	<title>Incredible hypocrisy</title>
	<author>toby</author>
	<datestamp>1246371360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And this is the country that won't lift a finger to prosecute those companies complicit in warrantless wiretapping of its own citizens.</p><p>Not to mention the <a href="http://report2009.amnesty.org/en/regions/americas/usa" title="amnesty.org">broad range of human rights abuses by the USA.</a> [amnesty.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And this is the country that wo n't lift a finger to prosecute those companies complicit in warrantless wiretapping of its own citizens.Not to mention the broad range of human rights abuses by the USA .
[ amnesty.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And this is the country that won't lift a finger to prosecute those companies complicit in warrantless wiretapping of its own citizens.Not to mention the broad range of human rights abuses by the USA.
[amnesty.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28526755</id>
	<title>Thanks Nokia, Siemens</title>
	<author>TheNinjaroach</author>
	<datestamp>1246369320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>For connecting Iran to the rest of the world.  Without your network equipment their communication with the outside world would be that much more limited.  It's a shame that Iran chooses to abuse the monitoring and filtering solutions provided with your equipment, but I know that many Iranians are grateful for the fact it is available for them to use at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For connecting Iran to the rest of the world .
Without your network equipment their communication with the outside world would be that much more limited .
It 's a shame that Iran chooses to abuse the monitoring and filtering solutions provided with your equipment , but I know that many Iranians are grateful for the fact it is available for them to use at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For connecting Iran to the rest of the world.
Without your network equipment their communication with the outside world would be that much more limited.
It's a shame that Iran chooses to abuse the monitoring and filtering solutions provided with your equipment, but I know that many Iranians are grateful for the fact it is available for them to use at all.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524867</id>
	<title>Somebody in Washington DC...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246303380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...must be upset because due to the embargo (Iran is in the "rogue countries" list) american companies cannot export those same censoring techologies to Iran. What better occasion than this to blast EU companies that are not subject to US laws? What a bunch of hypocrats...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...must be upset because due to the embargo ( Iran is in the " rogue countries " list ) american companies can not export those same censoring techologies to Iran .
What better occasion than this to blast EU companies that are not subject to US laws ?
What a bunch of hypocrats.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...must be upset because due to the embargo (Iran is in the "rogue countries" list) american companies cannot export those same censoring techologies to Iran.
What better occasion than this to blast EU companies that are not subject to US laws?
What a bunch of hypocrats...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524235</id>
	<title>and in Germany?</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1246296660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So, now that we here in Germany have introduced Internet censorship (via the crazy Zensursula von der Leyen law, your choice whether "crazy" applies to the law or the person) - will the US senators punish the companies that supply the infrastructure for <b>that</b> as well?</p><p>Oh wait, Germany isn't a "rogue country", right? We don't go by facts, we go by political climate, don't we?</p><p>I'm looking forward to an embargo...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So , now that we here in Germany have introduced Internet censorship ( via the crazy Zensursula von der Leyen law , your choice whether " crazy " applies to the law or the person ) - will the US senators punish the companies that supply the infrastructure for that as well ? Oh wait , Germany is n't a " rogue country " , right ?
We do n't go by facts , we go by political climate , do n't we ? I 'm looking forward to an embargo.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So, now that we here in Germany have introduced Internet censorship (via the crazy Zensursula von der Leyen law, your choice whether "crazy" applies to the law or the person) - will the US senators punish the companies that supply the infrastructure for that as well?Oh wait, Germany isn't a "rogue country", right?
We don't go by facts, we go by political climate, don't we?I'm looking forward to an embargo...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28538069</id>
	<title>You can't beat \_his\_ wife; only \_my\_ wife</title>
	<author>smchris</author>
	<datestamp>1246377660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How dare you sell technology to \_another\_ country to oppress their people -- you unfaithful bastards?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How dare you sell technology to \ _another \ _ country to oppress their people -- you unfaithful bastards ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How dare you sell technology to \_another\_ country to oppress their people -- you unfaithful bastards?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524979</id>
	<title>Re:Don't be so quick to defend the corporations.</title>
	<author>david.given</author>
	<datestamp>1246304640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>No one forced them to sell systems to allow oppressive regimes to track and crack down on dissidents.</p></div><p>Remember, software doesn't censor people. People censor people!</p><p>How come selling software to places like Iran is considered bad, while selling arms and nerve gas to places like Iraq isn't?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No one forced them to sell systems to allow oppressive regimes to track and crack down on dissidents.Remember , software does n't censor people .
People censor people ! How come selling software to places like Iran is considered bad , while selling arms and nerve gas to places like Iraq is n't ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No one forced them to sell systems to allow oppressive regimes to track and crack down on dissidents.Remember, software doesn't censor people.
People censor people!How come selling software to places like Iran is considered bad, while selling arms and nerve gas to places like Iraq isn't?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28523993</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524083</id>
	<title>Makes sense to me</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246295220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Iran is our enemy, so we're going to give a hard time to businesses that give nice things to Iran.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Iran is our enemy , so we 're going to give a hard time to businesses that give nice things to Iran .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Iran is our enemy, so we're going to give a hard time to businesses that give nice things to Iran.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28524015</id>
	<title>Political opportunism</title>
	<author>P0ltergeist333</author>
	<datestamp>1246294560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Political opportunism by Graham, and naivete by Schumer. Both companies are in compliance with international law. How can you punish a company when you never even told them it was wrong to begin with? The hardware and software in question is usually marketed for corporate use, where they have every right to use it. Maybe it would be better to outlaw the use of such software by governments?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Political opportunism by Graham , and naivete by Schumer .
Both companies are in compliance with international law .
How can you punish a company when you never even told them it was wrong to begin with ?
The hardware and software in question is usually marketed for corporate use , where they have every right to use it .
Maybe it would be better to outlaw the use of such software by governments ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Political opportunism by Graham, and naivete by Schumer.
Both companies are in compliance with international law.
How can you punish a company when you never even told them it was wrong to begin with?
The hardware and software in question is usually marketed for corporate use, where they have every right to use it.
Maybe it would be better to outlaw the use of such software by governments?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28523989</id>
	<title>Banning Open Source.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246294320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"According to Nextgov.com, Schumer and Graham's bill would require the Obama administration to identify foreign companies that export sensitive technology to Iran and ban them from bidding on federal contracts, or renew expiring ones, unless they first stop exports to Iran."</p><p>We're banning Red Hat, why?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" According to Nextgov.com , Schumer and Graham 's bill would require the Obama administration to identify foreign companies that export sensitive technology to Iran and ban them from bidding on federal contracts , or renew expiring ones , unless they first stop exports to Iran .
" We 're banning Red Hat , why ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"According to Nextgov.com, Schumer and Graham's bill would require the Obama administration to identify foreign companies that export sensitive technology to Iran and ban them from bidding on federal contracts, or renew expiring ones, unless they first stop exports to Iran.
"We're banning Red Hat, why?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_29_2246243.28534979</id>
	<title>Re:Read your bible every day, dear senators!</title>
	<author>BIGELLOW</author>
	<datestamp>1246357320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's the attempt to dictate to foreign companies what they may or may not sell.</p></div><p>I fail to see what "dictating" is happening with this.  They aren't telling these companies <i>who</i> they may or may not sell to.  They are only saying <i>we aren't going to buy from you</i>.  That's it.  Should the government have the <i>freedom</i> to pick and choose who they give money to, or do you suggest there should be some sort of <i>dictating</i> that needs to happen here?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's the attempt to dictate to foreign companies what they may or may not sell.I fail to see what " dictating " is happening with this .
They are n't telling these companies who they may or may not sell to .
They are only saying we are n't going to buy from you .
That 's it .
Should the government have the freedom to pick and choose who they give money to , or do you suggest there should be some sort of dictating that needs to happen here ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's the attempt to dictate to foreign companies what they may or may not sell.I fail to see what "dictating" is happening with this.
They aren't telling these companies who they may or may not sell to.
They are only saying we aren't going to buy from you.
That's it.
Should the government have the freedom to pick and choose who they give money to, or do you suggest there should be some sort of dictating that needs to happen here?
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