<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_27_0255229</id>
	<title>Square Enix Facing Class Action Suit Over <em>FFXI</em> "Hidden Fees"</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1246114860000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>A class action lawsuit has been initiated against Square Enix over <a href="http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news\_index.php?story=24202">the fees they charge for subscription-based MMO <em>Final Fantasy XI</em></a>. The court filing alleges "deceptive advertising, unfair practices, and fraudulent concealment" of information about the game's pricing model, essentially saying Square Enix doesn't clearly advertise that there is a monthly fee, and that failure to pay can result in late fees and account termination. The plaintiff is seeking a settlement in excess of $5,000,000 and including "all persons who purchased or played the online games four years prior to the filing of this lawsuit."</htmltext>
<tokenext>A class action lawsuit has been initiated against Square Enix over the fees they charge for subscription-based MMO Final Fantasy XI .
The court filing alleges " deceptive advertising , unfair practices , and fraudulent concealment " of information about the game 's pricing model , essentially saying Square Enix does n't clearly advertise that there is a monthly fee , and that failure to pay can result in late fees and account termination .
The plaintiff is seeking a settlement in excess of $ 5,000,000 and including " all persons who purchased or played the online games four years prior to the filing of this lawsuit .
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<sentencetext>A class action lawsuit has been initiated against Square Enix over the fees they charge for subscription-based MMO Final Fantasy XI.
The court filing alleges "deceptive advertising, unfair practices, and fraudulent concealment" of information about the game's pricing model, essentially saying Square Enix doesn't clearly advertise that there is a monthly fee, and that failure to pay can result in late fees and account termination.
The plaintiff is seeking a settlement in excess of $5,000,000 and including "all persons who purchased or played the online games four years prior to the filing of this lawsuit.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28490999</id>
	<title>late fees?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246032540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>monthy charges make sense but late fees!?  it's an MMO not a utility so it's not like they can't suspend your service if you don't pay.</htmltext>
<tokenext>monthy charges make sense but late fees ! ?
it 's an MMO not a utility so it 's not like they ca n't suspend your service if you do n't pay .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>monthy charges make sense but late fees!?
it's an MMO not a utility so it's not like they can't suspend your service if you don't pay.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28491301</id>
	<title>I dropped WoW due to the basic nature of MMOs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246036560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am not willing to pay for a game that I must pay in perpituity to play. I will pay for a game ONCE. Only Once.</p><p>MMOs are scams in this respect. You don't have a single player mode. You can't NOT play the game on line. (I would have Bought WoW had there been a way to either:</p><p>1. Play a single player RPG not on line.<br>2. Play on Servers that are not owned by Blizzard on independant networks/LAN.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not willing to pay for a game that I must pay in perpituity to play .
I will pay for a game ONCE .
Only Once.MMOs are scams in this respect .
You do n't have a single player mode .
You ca n't NOT play the game on line .
( I would have Bought WoW had there been a way to either : 1 .
Play a single player RPG not on line.2 .
Play on Servers that are not owned by Blizzard on independant networks/LAN .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not willing to pay for a game that I must pay in perpituity to play.
I will pay for a game ONCE.
Only Once.MMOs are scams in this respect.
You don't have a single player mode.
You can't NOT play the game on line.
(I would have Bought WoW had there been a way to either:1.
Play a single player RPG not on line.2.
Play on Servers that are not owned by Blizzard on independant networks/LAN.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28502113</id>
	<title>The points</title>
	<author>JJJ\_NL</author>
	<datestamp>1246184760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've played FFXI for about 5 years and am currently involved in a conflict with S-E. It relates to the following point:
5. Charges while the online game account is suspended
This is relevant for those people whose account got hacked as well. My character got hacked, it did some things that S-E charges money for (a so-called world transfer, $25) and I got it returned after about a month. But to this date however, S-E has never refunded me the charges that weren't made by me, even though they said they would "after an internal investigation".

Well, this "internal investigation" has gone on for *three months* now. There's a helpdesk I can call but they all say I'll get my refund "after the investigation has completed".

I think this investigation thing is bullshit and that S-E basically has no mechanism in place to refund customers because that would cost *them* money after all. After having been a customer for 5 years (they made about $600 off me in playing fees alone), this feels like a kick in the nuts. F*ck S-E, I'll never do business with them again.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've played FFXI for about 5 years and am currently involved in a conflict with S-E. It relates to the following point : 5 .
Charges while the online game account is suspended This is relevant for those people whose account got hacked as well .
My character got hacked , it did some things that S-E charges money for ( a so-called world transfer , $ 25 ) and I got it returned after about a month .
But to this date however , S-E has never refunded me the charges that were n't made by me , even though they said they would " after an internal investigation " .
Well , this " internal investigation " has gone on for * three months * now .
There 's a helpdesk I can call but they all say I 'll get my refund " after the investigation has completed " .
I think this investigation thing is bullshit and that S-E basically has no mechanism in place to refund customers because that would cost * them * money after all .
After having been a customer for 5 years ( they made about $ 600 off me in playing fees alone ) , this feels like a kick in the nuts .
F * ck S-E , I 'll never do business with them again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've played FFXI for about 5 years and am currently involved in a conflict with S-E. It relates to the following point:
5.
Charges while the online game account is suspended
This is relevant for those people whose account got hacked as well.
My character got hacked, it did some things that S-E charges money for (a so-called world transfer, $25) and I got it returned after about a month.
But to this date however, S-E has never refunded me the charges that weren't made by me, even though they said they would "after an internal investigation".
Well, this "internal investigation" has gone on for *three months* now.
There's a helpdesk I can call but they all say I'll get my refund "after the investigation has completed".
I think this investigation thing is bullshit and that S-E basically has no mechanism in place to refund customers because that would cost *them* money after all.
After having been a customer for 5 years (they made about $600 off me in playing fees alone), this feels like a kick in the nuts.
F*ck S-E, I'll never do business with them again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28492123</id>
	<title>Horrible billing</title>
	<author>Squarewav</author>
	<datestamp>1246042920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I played FFXI for 3 years on and off. The lawsuit is probably about the horrible way they do billing if you cancel and resubscribe.</p><p>Billing (at least for me) was always on the first of the month.</p><p>If you canceled on the 20th of January, and decide to resubscribe the 23rd of March you wouldn't actually be billed  until the 1st of April at which point they charge you for a full month of March and for the month of April despite only using it for 8 days of March.</p><p>In other words they don't prorate. It's a really archaic way of handling a MMO subscription. I'm not sure if this is listed in the ToS if it's not then there might be grounds for a lawsuit. $5M is still way to excessive for what should be in small claims court for $30</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I played FFXI for 3 years on and off .
The lawsuit is probably about the horrible way they do billing if you cancel and resubscribe.Billing ( at least for me ) was always on the first of the month.If you canceled on the 20th of January , and decide to resubscribe the 23rd of March you would n't actually be billed until the 1st of April at which point they charge you for a full month of March and for the month of April despite only using it for 8 days of March.In other words they do n't prorate .
It 's a really archaic way of handling a MMO subscription .
I 'm not sure if this is listed in the ToS if it 's not then there might be grounds for a lawsuit .
$ 5M is still way to excessive for what should be in small claims court for $ 30</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I played FFXI for 3 years on and off.
The lawsuit is probably about the horrible way they do billing if you cancel and resubscribe.Billing (at least for me) was always on the first of the month.If you canceled on the 20th of January, and decide to resubscribe the 23rd of March you wouldn't actually be billed  until the 1st of April at which point they charge you for a full month of March and for the month of April despite only using it for 8 days of March.In other words they don't prorate.
It's a really archaic way of handling a MMO subscription.
I'm not sure if this is listed in the ToS if it's not then there might be grounds for a lawsuit.
$5M is still way to excessive for what should be in small claims court for $30</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28517551</id>
	<title>square enix</title>
	<author>t3chn0n3rd</author>
	<datestamp>1246304580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>square enix is a tokyo-based company ,  correct?</htmltext>
<tokenext>square enix is a tokyo-based company , correct ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>square enix is a tokyo-based company ,  correct?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28493499</id>
	<title>Re:From TFA:</title>
	<author>binkzz</author>
	<datestamp>1246103040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>To be honest, Your debunks 1 &amp; 2 don't hold any merit for me.<br>
<br>
Just because others do it didn't get me any slack in kindergarten, I don't see why it should for companies.<br>
<br>
3 &amp; 4 sound horrible, but not particularly illegal. They would convince me not to play the game, even though I pretty much always pay on time.<br>
<br>
5 is outrageous I think.<br>
<br>
6. Sounds reasonable<br>
<br>
7. I don't know what the the restrictions and conditions are. That it's their game, doesn't mean they can legally put in any condition or restriction they would like.<br>
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8. Is more interesting in my opinion, because I don't believe the character should (legally) be or remain property of the MMOG.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To be honest , Your debunks 1 &amp; 2 do n't hold any merit for me .
Just because others do it did n't get me any slack in kindergarten , I do n't see why it should for companies .
3 &amp; 4 sound horrible , but not particularly illegal .
They would convince me not to play the game , even though I pretty much always pay on time .
5 is outrageous I think .
6. Sounds reasonable 7 .
I do n't know what the the restrictions and conditions are .
That it 's their game , does n't mean they can legally put in any condition or restriction they would like .
8. Is more interesting in my opinion , because I do n't believe the character should ( legally ) be or remain property of the MMOG .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To be honest, Your debunks 1 &amp; 2 don't hold any merit for me.
Just because others do it didn't get me any slack in kindergarten, I don't see why it should for companies.
3 &amp; 4 sound horrible, but not particularly illegal.
They would convince me not to play the game, even though I pretty much always pay on time.
5 is outrageous I think.
6. Sounds reasonable

7.
I don't know what the the restrictions and conditions are.
That it's their game, doesn't mean they can legally put in any condition or restriction they would like.
8. Is more interesting in my opinion, because I don't believe the character should (legally) be or remain property of the MMOG.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28501713</id>
	<title>Re:Some insight.</title>
	<author>SL Baur</author>
	<datestamp>1246219800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I've played this game since NA release and I've always known there is a monthly fee.</p></div><p>There surely HAS to be something on the front of the box.  For example, I'm looking at the WotLK box and it has on the bottom left side:  "Requires full versions of World of Warcraft and The Burning Crusade to play."  And on the bottom right side:  "Internet connection required, additional online fees apply".</p><p>I cannot possibly believe Square Enix kept something like monthly fees a secret.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>when signing up for the initial content ID that it costs $12.95 per month</p></div><p>Not bad.  Cheaper than WoW unless you go for the 6 month-at-a-time plan.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>This person's pissed because he didn't want to pay for a game he was playing and then got penalized for basically stealing from the company providing the services.</p></div><p>I think the problem may be in the rules.  I've only played two online games (WoW and DDO), but they are based on a prepaid model and you cannot "steal" from someone on that basis.</p><p>My expectations would be to pay X units of money for a certain time period and if I didn't pay, I couldn't play.  I certainly would not expect additional (as in interest and penalty) charges to apply, but if they did I just wouldn't play the game.  If any of the charges do stick in court, I would expect it to be something like that.</p><p>When I stopped playing (and paying) for DDO Stormreach they offered me free time and leveling bonuses to lure me back in.  I like playing grinding games, but once I lose a character for any reason it's Game Over and I don't go back.  It sounds very much like a losing business model if Square Enix is charging interest and penalties to returning players (and deleting character data).</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 've played this game since NA release and I 've always known there is a monthly fee.There surely HAS to be something on the front of the box .
For example , I 'm looking at the WotLK box and it has on the bottom left side : " Requires full versions of World of Warcraft and The Burning Crusade to play .
" And on the bottom right side : " Internet connection required , additional online fees apply " .I can not possibly believe Square Enix kept something like monthly fees a secret.when signing up for the initial content ID that it costs $ 12.95 per monthNot bad .
Cheaper than WoW unless you go for the 6 month-at-a-time plan.This person 's pissed because he did n't want to pay for a game he was playing and then got penalized for basically stealing from the company providing the services.I think the problem may be in the rules .
I 've only played two online games ( WoW and DDO ) , but they are based on a prepaid model and you can not " steal " from someone on that basis.My expectations would be to pay X units of money for a certain time period and if I did n't pay , I could n't play .
I certainly would not expect additional ( as in interest and penalty ) charges to apply , but if they did I just would n't play the game .
If any of the charges do stick in court , I would expect it to be something like that.When I stopped playing ( and paying ) for DDO Stormreach they offered me free time and leveling bonuses to lure me back in .
I like playing grinding games , but once I lose a character for any reason it 's Game Over and I do n't go back .
It sounds very much like a losing business model if Square Enix is charging interest and penalties to returning players ( and deleting character data ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've played this game since NA release and I've always known there is a monthly fee.There surely HAS to be something on the front of the box.
For example, I'm looking at the WotLK box and it has on the bottom left side:  "Requires full versions of World of Warcraft and The Burning Crusade to play.
"  And on the bottom right side:  "Internet connection required, additional online fees apply".I cannot possibly believe Square Enix kept something like monthly fees a secret.when signing up for the initial content ID that it costs $12.95 per monthNot bad.
Cheaper than WoW unless you go for the 6 month-at-a-time plan.This person's pissed because he didn't want to pay for a game he was playing and then got penalized for basically stealing from the company providing the services.I think the problem may be in the rules.
I've only played two online games (WoW and DDO), but they are based on a prepaid model and you cannot "steal" from someone on that basis.My expectations would be to pay X units of money for a certain time period and if I didn't pay, I couldn't play.
I certainly would not expect additional (as in interest and penalty) charges to apply, but if they did I just wouldn't play the game.
If any of the charges do stick in court, I would expect it to be something like that.When I stopped playing (and paying) for DDO Stormreach they offered me free time and leveling bonuses to lure me back in.
I like playing grinding games, but once I lose a character for any reason it's Game Over and I don't go back.
It sounds very much like a losing business model if Square Enix is charging interest and penalties to returning players (and deleting character data).
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28495647</id>
	<title>Mr Right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246125120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>you losers, playing your endless online games. Go get a life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>you losers , playing your endless online games .
Go get a life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you losers, playing your endless online games.
Go get a life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28491713</id>
	<title>Re:Some insight.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246039320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What other MMORG charges AFTER you stop paying?  That's the issue. Most games operate on gamecards as well as subscriptions. If you miss adding the new card on time, you get turned off.. no hard feelings... When you pay up your new card starts THAT DAY.. no some pro-rated, late fee crap. That's what's new here.</p><p>In other words the game is $15 per month but if you take a month off by stopping payments... you STILL PAY for the month off you didn't pay for to get turned back on. That's nasty as you don't sign any kind of contract to pay them for any length of time... if you stop paying, you stop paying.. that's how it works everywhere else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What other MMORG charges AFTER you stop paying ?
That 's the issue .
Most games operate on gamecards as well as subscriptions .
If you miss adding the new card on time , you get turned off.. no hard feelings... When you pay up your new card starts THAT DAY.. no some pro-rated , late fee crap .
That 's what 's new here.In other words the game is $ 15 per month but if you take a month off by stopping payments... you STILL PAY for the month off you did n't pay for to get turned back on .
That 's nasty as you do n't sign any kind of contract to pay them for any length of time... if you stop paying , you stop paying.. that 's how it works everywhere else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What other MMORG charges AFTER you stop paying?
That's the issue.
Most games operate on gamecards as well as subscriptions.
If you miss adding the new card on time, you get turned off.. no hard feelings... When you pay up your new card starts THAT DAY.. no some pro-rated, late fee crap.
That's what's new here.In other words the game is $15 per month but if you take a month off by stopping payments... you STILL PAY for the month off you didn't pay for to get turned back on.
That's nasty as you don't sign any kind of contract to pay them for any length of time... if you stop paying, you stop paying.. that's how it works everywhere else.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28495525</id>
	<title>Re:omfg who still plays ffxi</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246124160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nice troll. Now GTFO.<br>
&nbsp;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice troll .
Now GTFO .
 </tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice troll.
Now GTFO.
 </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28492087</id>
	<title>Re:I dropped WoW due to the basic nature of MMOs</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246042500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Good thing Blizzard doesn't make people play...</p><p>Yes MMO's encourage you to play with other people - its kinda fun (at least I think its kinda fun). Sounds like you didn't have fun and now have an axe to grind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Good thing Blizzard does n't make people play...Yes MMO 's encourage you to play with other people - its kinda fun ( at least I think its kinda fun ) .
Sounds like you did n't have fun and now have an axe to grind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good thing Blizzard doesn't make people play...Yes MMO's encourage you to play with other people - its kinda fun (at least I think its kinda fun).
Sounds like you didn't have fun and now have an axe to grind.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28492847</id>
	<title>different subscription type</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246094400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The lawsuit is dumb. I am sure the lawyers of square enix where smart enough to put all that crap into their terms and conditions.<br>They are basically maintaining a traditional subscription model, while most other MMO's now a days use a pre-pay subscription model.<br>Which perhaps i</p><p>Now I am sure those people that filed the claim don't agree with that, but if they had read the terms/eula/whatever they could have found out. Instead of of course ripping the plastic off the box the second they came home, feverishly clicked 'next' in the installer to get playing.<br>Not condemning that practice, heck I do that myself, but don't start complaining at the end that the terms of payment are different then you hoped.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The lawsuit is dumb .
I am sure the lawyers of square enix where smart enough to put all that crap into their terms and conditions.They are basically maintaining a traditional subscription model , while most other MMO 's now a days use a pre-pay subscription model.Which perhaps iNow I am sure those people that filed the claim do n't agree with that , but if they had read the terms/eula/whatever they could have found out .
Instead of of course ripping the plastic off the box the second they came home , feverishly clicked 'next ' in the installer to get playing.Not condemning that practice , heck I do that myself , but do n't start complaining at the end that the terms of payment are different then you hoped .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The lawsuit is dumb.
I am sure the lawyers of square enix where smart enough to put all that crap into their terms and conditions.They are basically maintaining a traditional subscription model, while most other MMO's now a days use a pre-pay subscription model.Which perhaps iNow I am sure those people that filed the claim don't agree with that, but if they had read the terms/eula/whatever they could have found out.
Instead of of course ripping the plastic off the box the second they came home, feverishly clicked 'next' in the installer to get playing.Not condemning that practice, heck I do that myself, but don't start complaining at the end that the terms of payment are different then you hoped.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28502845</id>
	<title>Re:I dropped WoW due to the basic nature of MMOs</title>
	<author>SL Baur</author>
	<datestamp>1246195560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I am not willing to pay for a game that I must pay in perpituity to play. I will pay for a game ONCE. Only Once.</p></div><p>More power to you.  Why do you sound so threatened at something tens of millions of us find fascinating if it has no personal interest to you?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I am not willing to pay for a game that I must pay in perpituity to play .
I will pay for a game ONCE .
Only Once.More power to you .
Why do you sound so threatened at something tens of millions of us find fascinating if it has no personal interest to you ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am not willing to pay for a game that I must pay in perpituity to play.
I will pay for a game ONCE.
Only Once.More power to you.
Why do you sound so threatened at something tens of millions of us find fascinating if it has no personal interest to you?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28492165</id>
	<title>Re:From TFA:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246043280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most mmo's you pay at the start of the month, FFIX you pay at the end. If I don't pay my bill to Blizzard - they just shut off my account and end of story. My character is still there, and when I want to play again I can buy more time no questions asked. I know this is the same way CCP bills customers too.</p><p>From what I understand If I don't pay my FFIX account they bill me anyhow, and it eventually send it off to collections and it goes against your credit record. Oh and they delete your character (I've never played the game, but I heard the leveling process and grind is truly epic) - plus they charge you more money for the more characters you have. Those few extra kilobytes in their database must add up I guess.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most mmo 's you pay at the start of the month , FFIX you pay at the end .
If I do n't pay my bill to Blizzard - they just shut off my account and end of story .
My character is still there , and when I want to play again I can buy more time no questions asked .
I know this is the same way CCP bills customers too.From what I understand If I do n't pay my FFIX account they bill me anyhow , and it eventually send it off to collections and it goes against your credit record .
Oh and they delete your character ( I 've never played the game , but I heard the leveling process and grind is truly epic ) - plus they charge you more money for the more characters you have .
Those few extra kilobytes in their database must add up I guess .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most mmo's you pay at the start of the month, FFIX you pay at the end.
If I don't pay my bill to Blizzard - they just shut off my account and end of story.
My character is still there, and when I want to play again I can buy more time no questions asked.
I know this is the same way CCP bills customers too.From what I understand If I don't pay my FFIX account they bill me anyhow, and it eventually send it off to collections and it goes against your credit record.
Oh and they delete your character (I've never played the game, but I heard the leveling process and grind is truly epic) - plus they charge you more money for the more characters you have.
Those few extra kilobytes in their database must add up I guess.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28495625</id>
	<title>Re:From TFA:</title>
	<author>fast turtle</author>
	<datestamp>1246125000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The fact that EULA's are not considered binding contracts (hell they aint even considered legal) in California and several other states. So why in hell should I read something that is not binding or even legal in my state?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The fact that EULA 's are not considered binding contracts ( hell they aint even considered legal ) in California and several other states .
So why in hell should I read something that is not binding or even legal in my state ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The fact that EULA's are not considered binding contracts (hell they aint even considered legal) in California and several other states.
So why in hell should I read something that is not binding or even legal in my state?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28508947</id>
	<title>Re:From TFA:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246201620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This sounds a lot like a company I used to work for.  They tried to sell their subscription-based online service as a utility.  Same sort of crap - someone doesnt pay, they would keep your service active but add a "late fee" in addition to the monthly cost.  So now you're in debt to their online service.  They didn't have proper (instant, automated) activation, so they tried to charge a signup fee too.  What??</p><p>It's funny how profitable businesses can miss the boat SO FAR on online.  Typically when that online service is run by the owner's golf buddy from the country club who doesn't know a thing about "that computer" or the intertubes connected to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This sounds a lot like a company I used to work for .
They tried to sell their subscription-based online service as a utility .
Same sort of crap - someone doesnt pay , they would keep your service active but add a " late fee " in addition to the monthly cost .
So now you 're in debt to their online service .
They did n't have proper ( instant , automated ) activation , so they tried to charge a signup fee too .
What ? ? It 's funny how profitable businesses can miss the boat SO FAR on online .
Typically when that online service is run by the owner 's golf buddy from the country club who does n't know a thing about " that computer " or the intertubes connected to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This sounds a lot like a company I used to work for.
They tried to sell their subscription-based online service as a utility.
Same sort of crap - someone doesnt pay, they would keep your service active but add a "late fee" in addition to the monthly cost.
So now you're in debt to their online service.
They didn't have proper (instant, automated) activation, so they tried to charge a signup fee too.
What??It's funny how profitable businesses can miss the boat SO FAR on online.
Typically when that online service is run by the owner's golf buddy from the country club who doesn't know a thing about "that computer" or the intertubes connected to it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28492869</id>
	<title>Re:late fees?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246094640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>but but but</p><p>there are NO late fees! if your credit card is bad, has a 0 balance, gets changed, or gets rejected for any reason they just cancel your content ids. (not delete!)</p><p>you are free to register some other device and play again for same monthly fee you should have paid...</p><p>this whole lawsuit is a troll</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>but but butthere are NO late fees !
if your credit card is bad , has a 0 balance , gets changed , or gets rejected for any reason they just cancel your content ids .
( not delete !
) you are free to register some other device and play again for same monthly fee you should have paid...this whole lawsuit is a troll</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but but butthere are NO late fees!
if your credit card is bad, has a 0 balance, gets changed, or gets rejected for any reason they just cancel your content ids.
(not delete!
)you are free to register some other device and play again for same monthly fee you should have paid...this whole lawsuit is a troll</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28495303</id>
	<title>Re:From TFA:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246122240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uhm<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... wow.  You must be a retard.  You stopped using your phone and were upset that they kept billing you?  That's not how it works you moron.  They were still providing the service, whether you were using it or not.</p><p>I'm not surprised they wouldn't work with you.  I wouldn't want to do business with you either.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uhm ... wow. You must be a retard .
You stopped using your phone and were upset that they kept billing you ?
That 's not how it works you moron .
They were still providing the service , whether you were using it or not.I 'm not surprised they would n't work with you .
I would n't want to do business with you either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uhm ... wow.  You must be a retard.
You stopped using your phone and were upset that they kept billing you?
That's not how it works you moron.
They were still providing the service, whether you were using it or not.I'm not surprised they wouldn't work with you.
I wouldn't want to do business with you either.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28491255</id>
	<title>Re:From TFA:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246036200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>#3, 4 and especially 5 are actually pretty damning.</p><p>You do realize they are NOT a credit card issuer or bank...and even those fall under heavy regulation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext># 3 , 4 and especially 5 are actually pretty damning.You do realize they are NOT a credit card issuer or bank...and even those fall under heavy regulation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>#3, 4 and especially 5 are actually pretty damning.You do realize they are NOT a credit card issuer or bank...and even those fall under heavy regulation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28490979</id>
	<title>Bike, nigga stole my bike!!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246032240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>aaaaddddrrriiiiaaaaannnnn!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>aaaaddddrrriiiiaaaaannnnn !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>aaaaddddrrriiiiaaaaannnnn!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28491903</id>
	<title>Oh people...</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1246040820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You bought it before you went to the save point. Now you'll have to lose several days of your life to restore from an earlier copy. You've played these games enough -- you should know better than to buy something new from the store where the stats aren't on the screen <i>before</i> saving. Jeez, hasn't gaming taught you anything???</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You bought it before you went to the save point .
Now you 'll have to lose several days of your life to restore from an earlier copy .
You 've played these games enough -- you should know better than to buy something new from the store where the stats are n't on the screen before saving .
Jeez , has n't gaming taught you anything ? ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You bought it before you went to the save point.
Now you'll have to lose several days of your life to restore from an earlier copy.
You've played these games enough -- you should know better than to buy something new from the store where the stats aren't on the screen before saving.
Jeez, hasn't gaming taught you anything??
?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28491349</id>
	<title>I would say they have more of a case with FFIV+</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246036860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They just released a Wii Channel game called Final Fantasy IV The After Years.  It is 800 Wii Points, but what they don't tell you is that that is for "part 1".  Parts 2-X (however many) are additionally 300 points and 800 for the final piece.  They don't tell you that up front.  Anyone who knows anything about FF knows XI is an online, MMO.  That's why it is the one I avoided.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They just released a Wii Channel game called Final Fantasy IV The After Years .
It is 800 Wii Points , but what they do n't tell you is that that is for " part 1 " .
Parts 2-X ( however many ) are additionally 300 points and 800 for the final piece .
They do n't tell you that up front .
Anyone who knows anything about FF knows XI is an online , MMO .
That 's why it is the one I avoided .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They just released a Wii Channel game called Final Fantasy IV The After Years.
It is 800 Wii Points, but what they don't tell you is that that is for "part 1".
Parts 2-X (however many) are additionally 300 points and 800 for the final piece.
They don't tell you that up front.
Anyone who knows anything about FF knows XI is an online, MMO.
That's why it is the one I avoided.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28491415</id>
	<title>Re:From TFA:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246037340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All in the EULA, so where is the case?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All in the EULA , so where is the case ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All in the EULA, so where is the case?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28491083</id>
	<title>Some insight.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246033740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've played this game since NA release and I've always known there is a monthly fee. I've never felt that it was hidden from me either.<br>It's clearly stated that if your account is inactive for 3 months, your character is deleted. This is a stupid argument... It clearly states<br>when signing up for the initial content ID that it costs $12.95 per month and you have to agree TWICE to purchase it. Every single content<br>ID after that you have to AGREE and then CONFIRM that you will be billed an extra $1 per month. This person's pissed because he didn't<br>want to pay for a game he was playing and then got penalized for basically stealing from the company providing the services.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've played this game since NA release and I 've always known there is a monthly fee .
I 've never felt that it was hidden from me either.It 's clearly stated that if your account is inactive for 3 months , your character is deleted .
This is a stupid argument... It clearly stateswhen signing up for the initial content ID that it costs $ 12.95 per month and you have to agree TWICE to purchase it .
Every single contentID after that you have to AGREE and then CONFIRM that you will be billed an extra $ 1 per month .
This person 's pissed because he didn'twant to pay for a game he was playing and then got penalized for basically stealing from the company providing the services .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've played this game since NA release and I've always known there is a monthly fee.
I've never felt that it was hidden from me either.It's clearly stated that if your account is inactive for 3 months, your character is deleted.
This is a stupid argument... It clearly stateswhen signing up for the initial content ID that it costs $12.95 per month and you have to agree TWICE to purchase it.
Every single contentID after that you have to AGREE and then CONFIRM that you will be billed an extra $1 per month.
This person's pissed because he didn'twant to pay for a game he was playing and then got penalized for basically stealing from the company providing the services.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28491001</id>
	<title>From TFA:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246032540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The complaints are:<br>1. Licensing of the online games software disguised as a sale<br>2. Monthly fees ("fees") to play online games<br>3. Penalties for late payment fees<br>4. Interest charges for late payment fees<br>5. Charges while the online game account is suspended<br>6. Termination of the right to use the online game for late payment of the fees<br>7. User restrictions and conditions related to the online games<br>8. Termination of game data for late payment of the fees</p><p>Lets see...<br>1) Normal for mmos<br>2) Normal for mmos<br>3) Sounds like a credit card company<br>4) Sounds like a credit card company<br>5) Sounds like a scam company<br>6) Hello, if you don't pay for something, are you shocked that they cut it off?<br>7) Their game, their rules<br>8) Their game, their rules</p><p>All in all, this set of complaints seems to boil down to: "your billing department is confusing."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The complaints are : 1 .
Licensing of the online games software disguised as a sale2 .
Monthly fees ( " fees " ) to play online games3 .
Penalties for late payment fees4 .
Interest charges for late payment fees5 .
Charges while the online game account is suspended6 .
Termination of the right to use the online game for late payment of the fees7 .
User restrictions and conditions related to the online games8 .
Termination of game data for late payment of the feesLets see...1 ) Normal for mmos2 ) Normal for mmos3 ) Sounds like a credit card company4 ) Sounds like a credit card company5 ) Sounds like a scam company6 ) Hello , if you do n't pay for something , are you shocked that they cut it off ? 7 ) Their game , their rules8 ) Their game , their rulesAll in all , this set of complaints seems to boil down to : " your billing department is confusing .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The complaints are:1.
Licensing of the online games software disguised as a sale2.
Monthly fees ("fees") to play online games3.
Penalties for late payment fees4.
Interest charges for late payment fees5.
Charges while the online game account is suspended6.
Termination of the right to use the online game for late payment of the fees7.
User restrictions and conditions related to the online games8.
Termination of game data for late payment of the feesLets see...1) Normal for mmos2) Normal for mmos3) Sounds like a credit card company4) Sounds like a credit card company5) Sounds like a scam company6) Hello, if you don't pay for something, are you shocked that they cut it off?7) Their game, their rules8) Their game, their rulesAll in all, this set of complaints seems to boil down to: "your billing department is confusing.
"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28503227</id>
	<title>Re:From TFA:</title>
	<author>iCEBaLM</author>
	<datestamp>1246199520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>S-E doesn't do late fees or interest either, I've played FFXI for years on and off. Those two complaints sounds like the plaintiff is mistaking their credit card company for S-E.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>S-E does n't do late fees or interest either , I 've played FFXI for years on and off .
Those two complaints sounds like the plaintiff is mistaking their credit card company for S-E .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>S-E doesn't do late fees or interest either, I've played FFXI for years on and off.
Those two complaints sounds like the plaintiff is mistaking their credit card company for S-E.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28493659</id>
	<title>Strange Billing System</title>
	<author>GearheadX</author>
	<datestamp>1246105380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This may also be an aspect of the really odd way in which the billing system is set up, in which it is actively confusing as to how you cancel your subscription.  Some people have made the mistake, in the past, of thinking that by canceling their character IDs, they cancel billing (under the reasoning that if you're being charged for individual characters already).  In reality, billing is halted by canceling payments associated with the player's ID of the game itself.</p><p>This is further compounded by the fact that, as far as I know, the only way to modify your account at all is through the client itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This may also be an aspect of the really odd way in which the billing system is set up , in which it is actively confusing as to how you cancel your subscription .
Some people have made the mistake , in the past , of thinking that by canceling their character IDs , they cancel billing ( under the reasoning that if you 're being charged for individual characters already ) .
In reality , billing is halted by canceling payments associated with the player 's ID of the game itself.This is further compounded by the fact that , as far as I know , the only way to modify your account at all is through the client itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This may also be an aspect of the really odd way in which the billing system is set up, in which it is actively confusing as to how you cancel your subscription.
Some people have made the mistake, in the past, of thinking that by canceling their character IDs, they cancel billing (under the reasoning that if you're being charged for individual characters already).
In reality, billing is halted by canceling payments associated with the player's ID of the game itself.This is further compounded by the fact that, as far as I know, the only way to modify your account at all is through the client itself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28509087</id>
	<title>Re:Horrible billing</title>
	<author>ukyoCE</author>
	<datestamp>1246202940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Thanks for the post, pretty informative.</p><p>It sounds like the real issue here is that they DID disable your service, but continued to charge, perhaps even for the month after you canceled.  Particularly if you let your subscription lapse rather than manually canceling, they would keep both disable your service (cant play) AND keep charging you for service.  HUH?</p><p>I used to work for a company that ran as a half-pre-paid service and half always-on-utility.  Sounds just like this awful Final Fantasy billing method.  As soon as we could, I changed the billing to be pre-paid.  Canceling is "cancel my subscription", not "turn my service off right this moment".  Buying a month on April 1, buys the days from April 1 to May 1.  Whether you play on any of those days is your own choice.</p><p>Trying to charge late fees and interest for a pre-paid services doesn't make a damn bit of sense.  Getting rid of paper checks (the most common excuse for "dont deactivate me I sent you money already!") is a great first step.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Thanks for the post , pretty informative.It sounds like the real issue here is that they DID disable your service , but continued to charge , perhaps even for the month after you canceled .
Particularly if you let your subscription lapse rather than manually canceling , they would keep both disable your service ( cant play ) AND keep charging you for service .
HUH ? I used to work for a company that ran as a half-pre-paid service and half always-on-utility .
Sounds just like this awful Final Fantasy billing method .
As soon as we could , I changed the billing to be pre-paid .
Canceling is " cancel my subscription " , not " turn my service off right this moment " .
Buying a month on April 1 , buys the days from April 1 to May 1 .
Whether you play on any of those days is your own choice.Trying to charge late fees and interest for a pre-paid services does n't make a damn bit of sense .
Getting rid of paper checks ( the most common excuse for " dont deactivate me I sent you money already !
" ) is a great first step .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thanks for the post, pretty informative.It sounds like the real issue here is that they DID disable your service, but continued to charge, perhaps even for the month after you canceled.
Particularly if you let your subscription lapse rather than manually canceling, they would keep both disable your service (cant play) AND keep charging you for service.
HUH?I used to work for a company that ran as a half-pre-paid service and half always-on-utility.
Sounds just like this awful Final Fantasy billing method.
As soon as we could, I changed the billing to be pre-paid.
Canceling is "cancel my subscription", not "turn my service off right this moment".
Buying a month on April 1, buys the days from April 1 to May 1.
Whether you play on any of those days is your own choice.Trying to charge late fees and interest for a pre-paid services doesn't make a damn bit of sense.
Getting rid of paper checks (the most common excuse for "dont deactivate me I sent you money already!
") is a great first step.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28491597</id>
	<title>Re:From TFA:</title>
	<author>mabhatter654</author>
	<datestamp>1246038360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's the first I've heard of such credit-card like terms.</p><p>Blizzard is very cool with the subscriptions.  I used to buy the cards for the longest time and they counted exactly 30 days every time. When you enter a new key card you get the whole 30 more days from whatever day you enter it....</p><p>I've had to turn off the subscription fees (and not play the game) a few times as well, and they just stop it and start it when you pay... they don't do stupid crap like late fees or interest on a pay-per-time account.</p><p>These people deserve to be sued. You don't have a contract to keep paying on a timed account. If you don't pay you "quit" by default.. what a way to keep customers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's the first I 've heard of such credit-card like terms.Blizzard is very cool with the subscriptions .
I used to buy the cards for the longest time and they counted exactly 30 days every time .
When you enter a new key card you get the whole 30 more days from whatever day you enter it....I 've had to turn off the subscription fees ( and not play the game ) a few times as well , and they just stop it and start it when you pay... they do n't do stupid crap like late fees or interest on a pay-per-time account.These people deserve to be sued .
You do n't have a contract to keep paying on a timed account .
If you do n't pay you " quit " by default.. what a way to keep customers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's the first I've heard of such credit-card like terms.Blizzard is very cool with the subscriptions.
I used to buy the cards for the longest time and they counted exactly 30 days every time.
When you enter a new key card you get the whole 30 more days from whatever day you enter it....I've had to turn off the subscription fees (and not play the game) a few times as well, and they just stop it and start it when you pay... they don't do stupid crap like late fees or interest on a pay-per-time account.These people deserve to be sued.
You don't have a contract to keep paying on a timed account.
If you don't pay you "quit" by default.. what a way to keep customers.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28492213</id>
	<title>Re:From TFA:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246043880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>5. Charges while the online game account is suspended</p></div></blockquote><p>
#5 sounds like Sprint.  I had a cell phone with Sprint.  I started traveling for a few months full time for my job, left my cell phone at home (lost it actually) and was too busy to cancel my Sprint account or replace the phone.  I stopped paying the bill, and 6 months later Sprint is telling me I owe them like a thousand dollars, even though I never touched the phone, and even though they had terminated my account a months before.  It went into collections, and they wouldn't work with me when I returned home and wanted to get cell service again.  It'll be a cold day in hell before I ever do anything with Sprint again.</p></div>
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<tokenext>5 .
Charges while the online game account is suspended # 5 sounds like Sprint .
I had a cell phone with Sprint .
I started traveling for a few months full time for my job , left my cell phone at home ( lost it actually ) and was too busy to cancel my Sprint account or replace the phone .
I stopped paying the bill , and 6 months later Sprint is telling me I owe them like a thousand dollars , even though I never touched the phone , and even though they had terminated my account a months before .
It went into collections , and they would n't work with me when I returned home and wanted to get cell service again .
It 'll be a cold day in hell before I ever do anything with Sprint again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>5.
Charges while the online game account is suspended
#5 sounds like Sprint.
I had a cell phone with Sprint.
I started traveling for a few months full time for my job, left my cell phone at home (lost it actually) and was too busy to cancel my Sprint account or replace the phone.
I stopped paying the bill, and 6 months later Sprint is telling me I owe them like a thousand dollars, even though I never touched the phone, and even though they had terminated my account a months before.
It went into collections, and they wouldn't work with me when I returned home and wanted to get cell service again.
It'll be a cold day in hell before I ever do anything with Sprint again.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28492439</id>
	<title>omfg who still plays ffxi</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1246132800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All I have to say is just be glad your game was not shut down. Be glad you have lived out other games. Yet I am sorry for those that suffer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All I have to say is just be glad your game was not shut down .
Be glad you have lived out other games .
Yet I am sorry for those that suffer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All I have to say is just be glad your game was not shut down.
Be glad you have lived out other games.
Yet I am sorry for those that suffer.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28491937</id>
	<title>Re:Some insight.</title>
	<author>aztektum</author>
	<datestamp>1246041060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought this game, played the freebie month + 1 month, had to let my account lapse due to having a busy life and at one point thought about starting it up again. What I didn't realize was I would have to buy another boxed copy to get a new code, since I had let mine go for too long.</p><p><a href="http://www.qcdn.org/ffxi/showthread.php?t=4166" title="qcdn.org">citation provided</a> [qcdn.org]</p><p>Not standard practice for an MMO and not listed on the box. Where do I get my check?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought this game , played the freebie month + 1 month , had to let my account lapse due to having a busy life and at one point thought about starting it up again .
What I did n't realize was I would have to buy another boxed copy to get a new code , since I had let mine go for too long.citation provided [ qcdn.org ] Not standard practice for an MMO and not listed on the box .
Where do I get my check ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought this game, played the freebie month + 1 month, had to let my account lapse due to having a busy life and at one point thought about starting it up again.
What I didn't realize was I would have to buy another boxed copy to get a new code, since I had let mine go for too long.citation provided [qcdn.org]Not standard practice for an MMO and not listed on the box.
Where do I get my check?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28501009</id>
	<title>Re:From TFA:</title>
	<author>IKnwThePiecesFt</author>
	<datestamp>1246124160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You should probably do some research into how cell phones work if you're actually surprised here.  This is 100\% what I would expect from a cell phone company.</p><p>A lot of people keep phones that they never use just in case of emergency, so Sprint keeps their service active and the customer keeps paying for that.  They have no way of knowing if you're one of those people or someone who "can't be bothered" to call and cancel your service that you KNEW was automatically renewing.  Sounds like your fuck up, not theirs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You should probably do some research into how cell phones work if you 're actually surprised here .
This is 100 \ % what I would expect from a cell phone company.A lot of people keep phones that they never use just in case of emergency , so Sprint keeps their service active and the customer keeps paying for that .
They have no way of knowing if you 're one of those people or someone who " ca n't be bothered " to call and cancel your service that you KNEW was automatically renewing .
Sounds like your fuck up , not theirs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You should probably do some research into how cell phones work if you're actually surprised here.
This is 100\% what I would expect from a cell phone company.A lot of people keep phones that they never use just in case of emergency, so Sprint keeps their service active and the customer keeps paying for that.
They have no way of knowing if you're one of those people or someone who "can't be bothered" to call and cancel your service that you KNEW was automatically renewing.
Sounds like your fuck up, not theirs.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_27_0255229.28495037</id>
	<title>Re:I would say they have more of a case with FFIV+</title>
	<author>The Redster!</author>
	<datestamp>1246120260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I'm inclined to agree the episodic format should be in the More Details, you do get this exact message when you try to buy it:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Wii Points are required to access portions of the additional content or services associated with this game.</p></div><p>The above should be an adequate warning for the potential buyer to go do some homework before committing to the purchase -- the add-on details are described in the manual, with a diagram.  And the Shopping Guide tells you that the manual is freely available to read, also with a diagram.</p></div>
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<tokenext>While I 'm inclined to agree the episodic format should be in the More Details , you do get this exact message when you try to buy it : Wii Points are required to access portions of the additional content or services associated with this game.The above should be an adequate warning for the potential buyer to go do some homework before committing to the purchase -- the add-on details are described in the manual , with a diagram .
And the Shopping Guide tells you that the manual is freely available to read , also with a diagram .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I'm inclined to agree the episodic format should be in the More Details, you do get this exact message when you try to buy it:Wii Points are required to access portions of the additional content or services associated with this game.The above should be an adequate warning for the potential buyer to go do some homework before committing to the purchase -- the add-on details are described in the manual, with a diagram.
And the Shopping Guide tells you that the manual is freely available to read, also with a diagram.
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