<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_25_1821235</id>
	<title>Australian Web Filter To Censor Downloaded Games</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1245956580000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Xiroth writes <i>"The Australian Federal Communications Ministry has confirmed that they <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/digital-life/games/web-filters-to-censor-video-games-20090625-cxrx.html">intend to use the planned filter to block the download of games</a> that have been refused by Australia's classification authority, the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Office\_of\_Film\_and\_Literature\_Classification\_(Australia)&amp;oldid=297099540">OFLC</a>. As an <a href="http://www.efa.org.au/">Electronic Frontiers Australia</a> spokesman noted, 'This is confirmation that the scope of the mandatory censorship scheme will keep on creeping.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Xiroth writes " The Australian Federal Communications Ministry has confirmed that they intend to use the planned filter to block the download of games that have been refused by Australia 's classification authority , the OFLC .
As an Electronic Frontiers Australia spokesman noted , 'This is confirmation that the scope of the mandatory censorship scheme will keep on creeping .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Xiroth writes "The Australian Federal Communications Ministry has confirmed that they intend to use the planned filter to block the download of games that have been refused by Australia's classification authority, the OFLC.
As an Electronic Frontiers Australia spokesman noted, 'This is confirmation that the scope of the mandatory censorship scheme will keep on creeping.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28477343</id>
	<title>DNS-based filtering</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245950100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It is DNS filtering.<br>Time to point my NICs to OpenDNS or similar.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It is DNS filtering.Time to point my NICs to OpenDNS or similar .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is DNS filtering.Time to point my NICs to OpenDNS or similar.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28474081</id>
	<title>The Inconsistency is Also Irksome</title>
	<author>GumphMaster</author>
	<datestamp>1245931440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From: Guidelines for the Classification of Films and Computer Games <a href="http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/framelodgmentattachments/6C888688A3BBD40ACA2574120004F72A" title="comlaw.gov.au" rel="nofollow">http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/framelodgmentattachments/6C888688A3BBD40ACA2574120004F72A</a> [comlaw.gov.au]
</p><blockquote><div><p>Films that exceed the R 18+ and X 18+ classification categories will be Refused Classification.
Computer games that exceed the MA 15+ classification category will be Refused Classification.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>Films that get refused classification involve bestiality, paedophilia, direct instruction in drug use etc.  I expect that most reasonable people have no issue with this.  Anything less than this gets an X18+ or R18+ rating and is legally for sale subject to conditions excluding minors.  This includes every pointlessly violent slasher flick.
  A game that contains graphic violence that is "not justified by context" gets an RC rating and is banned from sale.  Why the difference?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From : Guidelines for the Classification of Films and Computer Games http : //www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/framelodgmentattachments/6C888688A3BBD40ACA2574120004F72A [ comlaw.gov.au ] Films that exceed the R 18 + and X 18 + classification categories will be Refused Classification .
Computer games that exceed the MA 15 + classification category will be Refused Classification .
Films that get refused classification involve bestiality , paedophilia , direct instruction in drug use etc .
I expect that most reasonable people have no issue with this .
Anything less than this gets an X18 + or R18 + rating and is legally for sale subject to conditions excluding minors .
This includes every pointlessly violent slasher flick .
A game that contains graphic violence that is " not justified by context " gets an RC rating and is banned from sale .
Why the difference ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From: Guidelines for the Classification of Films and Computer Games http://www.comlaw.gov.au/ComLaw/Legislation/LegislativeInstrumentCompilation1.nsf/framelodgmentattachments/6C888688A3BBD40ACA2574120004F72A [comlaw.gov.au]
Films that exceed the R 18+ and X 18+ classification categories will be Refused Classification.
Computer games that exceed the MA 15+ classification category will be Refused Classification.
Films that get refused classification involve bestiality, paedophilia, direct instruction in drug use etc.
I expect that most reasonable people have no issue with this.
Anything less than this gets an X18+ or R18+ rating and is legally for sale subject to conditions excluding minors.
This includes every pointlessly violent slasher flick.
A game that contains graphic violence that is "not justified by context" gets an RC rating and is banned from sale.
Why the difference?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28475653</id>
	<title>Re:Can You Hear Me Now?</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1245938400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm just a bit curious here, can someone in-the-know highlight the internet policy differences between Iran, China and Australia?</p></div></blockquote><p>

Australia can make its own filtering software. The others had to outsource, to Australia.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm just a bit curious here , can someone in-the-know highlight the internet policy differences between Iran , China and Australia ?
Australia can make its own filtering software .
The others had to outsource , to Australia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm just a bit curious here, can someone in-the-know highlight the internet policy differences between Iran, China and Australia?
Australia can make its own filtering software.
The others had to outsource, to Australia.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470515</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28477805</id>
	<title>Re:Amazon pages will have to be blocked</title>
	<author>ghmh</author>
	<datestamp>1245954300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember playing Leisure Suit Larry back in the mid-late 80's at around 13... I doubt it was banned back then though, and you couldn't download it from BT either... The number of kids with 5 1/4" diskboxes in their bags at school was reasonably high though.</p><p>The only problem playing it was getting past the 'questions older people know the answers to' before the game will let you in to play it. IBM CGA graphics, those were the days. Watch those point shoes Larry!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember playing Leisure Suit Larry back in the mid-late 80 's at around 13... I doubt it was banned back then though , and you could n't download it from BT either... The number of kids with 5 1/4 " diskboxes in their bags at school was reasonably high though.The only problem playing it was getting past the 'questions older people know the answers to ' before the game will let you in to play it .
IBM CGA graphics , those were the days .
Watch those point shoes Larry !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember playing Leisure Suit Larry back in the mid-late 80's at around 13... I doubt it was banned back then though, and you couldn't download it from BT either... The number of kids with 5 1/4" diskboxes in their bags at school was reasonably high though.The only problem playing it was getting past the 'questions older people know the answers to' before the game will let you in to play it.
IBM CGA graphics, those were the days.
Watch those point shoes Larry!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28474275</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28473121</id>
	<title>Re:It just makes so much sense</title>
	<author>Anachragnome</author>
	<datestamp>1245927240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was wondering about all the OTHER stuff as well.</p><p>Once all this starts piling up, I wonder if Australia is going to experience what I call the "Lynden" syndrome.</p><p>Near where I live there is a small town called Lynden that has pretty much made everything illegal. You get a ticket if you don't mow your lawn once a week. I'm not kidding.</p><p>The end result is all the kids that grow up there are eagerly awaiting the day of emancipation--the day they move the fuck out of town.</p><p>Because of this, there are no younger people to support the town in terms of fresh tax-base or EMPLOYEES. It has turned into this quasi-ghost town with no real means of supporting itself outside of the dwindling population of farmers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was wondering about all the OTHER stuff as well.Once all this starts piling up , I wonder if Australia is going to experience what I call the " Lynden " syndrome.Near where I live there is a small town called Lynden that has pretty much made everything illegal .
You get a ticket if you do n't mow your lawn once a week .
I 'm not kidding.The end result is all the kids that grow up there are eagerly awaiting the day of emancipation--the day they move the fuck out of town.Because of this , there are no younger people to support the town in terms of fresh tax-base or EMPLOYEES .
It has turned into this quasi-ghost town with no real means of supporting itself outside of the dwindling population of farmers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was wondering about all the OTHER stuff as well.Once all this starts piling up, I wonder if Australia is going to experience what I call the "Lynden" syndrome.Near where I live there is a small town called Lynden that has pretty much made everything illegal.
You get a ticket if you don't mow your lawn once a week.
I'm not kidding.The end result is all the kids that grow up there are eagerly awaiting the day of emancipation--the day they move the fuck out of town.Because of this, there are no younger people to support the town in terms of fresh tax-base or EMPLOYEES.
It has turned into this quasi-ghost town with no real means of supporting itself outside of the dwindling population of farmers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470427</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470805</id>
	<title>Huh?</title>
	<author>stei7766</author>
	<datestamp>1245962760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm a bit confused on how this would actually WORK. Blocking sites is one thing, just have a url blacklist. But say one game on steam is rated but another is not, how can it know which one youre downloading?</p><p>Can packet sniffing tell that much about whats going through the tubes? I thought it was mostly: "Thats P2P, thats http, thats some more http..." Even if it could, what kind of overhead are we talking about?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm a bit confused on how this would actually WORK .
Blocking sites is one thing , just have a url blacklist .
But say one game on steam is rated but another is not , how can it know which one youre downloading ? Can packet sniffing tell that much about whats going through the tubes ?
I thought it was mostly : " Thats P2P , thats http , thats some more http... " Even if it could , what kind of overhead are we talking about ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm a bit confused on how this would actually WORK.
Blocking sites is one thing, just have a url blacklist.
But say one game on steam is rated but another is not, how can it know which one youre downloading?Can packet sniffing tell that much about whats going through the tubes?
I thought it was mostly: "Thats P2P, thats http, thats some more http..." Even if it could, what kind of overhead are we talking about?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470987</id>
	<title>Steam ?</title>
	<author>moon3</author>
	<datestamp>1245963300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does this somehow extend to Steam games? Steam uses some different TCP/IP port to funnel its content, I believe, so the old trusty Aussie web filter censoring software might not be able to catch those. (haha)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this somehow extend to Steam games ?
Steam uses some different TCP/IP port to funnel its content , I believe , so the old trusty Aussie web filter censoring software might not be able to catch those .
( haha )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this somehow extend to Steam games?
Steam uses some different TCP/IP port to funnel its content, I believe, so the old trusty Aussie web filter censoring software might not be able to catch those.
(haha)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470609</id>
	<title>Re:Precedent</title>
	<author>Jason Levine</author>
	<datestamp>1245961680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's when you go back to the old Mom question of "If all the other countries were jumping off a bridge, would you jump too?"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's when you go back to the old Mom question of " If all the other countries were jumping off a bridge , would you jump too ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's when you go back to the old Mom question of "If all the other countries were jumping off a bridge, would you jump too?
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28471463</id>
	<title>Filters are evil; once there they always get worse</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245921660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is why you don't want any filters in place. Once they're there they will get used to filter pretty much anything you can imagine. It may start with child porn, but it'll undergo successive stages of scope creep until it filters anything the government doesn't explicitly approve of.<br>Of course, without filters the police will have to actually to some police work and rescue child porn victims. We can't have that, can we?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why you do n't want any filters in place .
Once they 're there they will get used to filter pretty much anything you can imagine .
It may start with child porn , but it 'll undergo successive stages of scope creep until it filters anything the government does n't explicitly approve of.Of course , without filters the police will have to actually to some police work and rescue child porn victims .
We ca n't have that , can we ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why you don't want any filters in place.
Once they're there they will get used to filter pretty much anything you can imagine.
It may start with child porn, but it'll undergo successive stages of scope creep until it filters anything the government doesn't explicitly approve of.Of course, without filters the police will have to actually to some police work and rescue child porn victims.
We can't have that, can we?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28474653</id>
	<title>Re:It just makes so much sense</title>
	<author>z0idberg</author>
	<datestamp>1245933480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And how about blocking all the fairfax media sites (theage.com.au, smh.com.au etc.) as well due to the screenshot at the top of the article showing a guy getting his head blown off.</p><p>They seriously cannot see the irony in this??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And how about blocking all the fairfax media sites ( theage.com.au , smh.com.au etc .
) as well due to the screenshot at the top of the article showing a guy getting his head blown off.They seriously can not see the irony in this ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And how about blocking all the fairfax media sites (theage.com.au, smh.com.au etc.
) as well due to the screenshot at the top of the article showing a guy getting his head blown off.They seriously cannot see the irony in this?
?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470427</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28472093</id>
	<title>Re:Refused?</title>
	<author>boggis</author>
	<datestamp>1245923460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Games will be classified when they receive a complaint from the public. So if nobody else knows about the disgusting filth you are playing, you should be fine.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Games will be classified when they receive a complaint from the public .
So if nobody else knows about the disgusting filth you are playing , you should be fine .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Games will be classified when they receive a complaint from the public.
So if nobody else knows about the disgusting filth you are playing, you should be fine.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470323</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470511</id>
	<title>The door is open</title>
	<author>Anarchduke</author>
	<datestamp>1245961380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The sad truth in all this is that once you say that it is all right to censor anything, you have already lost the war.  Now each item that the Australian government (not the public, but those in control) finds objectionable will come under review and may be censored.  This is the slippery slope we all scream about until we are hoarse.  <br> <br>
Each step down this path will have the same excuse, "It's for the children".  <br> <br>
I wonder how long it will be until the Australian government censors news articles for the "fear effect" such uncensored information might have on the children.<br> <br>
I will say it again, once you accept that censorship is acceptable, then it is only a matter of how much will be censored.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The sad truth in all this is that once you say that it is all right to censor anything , you have already lost the war .
Now each item that the Australian government ( not the public , but those in control ) finds objectionable will come under review and may be censored .
This is the slippery slope we all scream about until we are hoarse .
Each step down this path will have the same excuse , " It 's for the children " .
I wonder how long it will be until the Australian government censors news articles for the " fear effect " such uncensored information might have on the children .
I will say it again , once you accept that censorship is acceptable , then it is only a matter of how much will be censored .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The sad truth in all this is that once you say that it is all right to censor anything, you have already lost the war.
Now each item that the Australian government (not the public, but those in control) finds objectionable will come under review and may be censored.
This is the slippery slope we all scream about until we are hoarse.
Each step down this path will have the same excuse, "It's for the children".
I wonder how long it will be until the Australian government censors news articles for the "fear effect" such uncensored information might have on the children.
I will say it again, once you accept that censorship is acceptable, then it is only a matter of how much will be censored.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470445</id>
	<title>Bad old days</title>
	<author>Mikash33</author>
	<datestamp>1245960960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Someone could try and open a sneakernet to hand out downloaded games on flashies... if only it wasn't on an island.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone could try and open a sneakernet to hand out downloaded games on flashies... if only it was n't on an island .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone could try and open a sneakernet to hand out downloaded games on flashies... if only it wasn't on an island.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470515</id>
	<title>Can You Hear Me Now?</title>
	<author>Greyfox</author>
	<datestamp>1245961380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm just a bit curious here, can someone in-the-know highlight the internet policy differences between Iran, China and Australia? I'd think a side-by-side comparison of policy features would be really neat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm just a bit curious here , can someone in-the-know highlight the internet policy differences between Iran , China and Australia ?
I 'd think a side-by-side comparison of policy features would be really neat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm just a bit curious here, can someone in-the-know highlight the internet policy differences between Iran, China and Australia?
I'd think a side-by-side comparison of policy features would be really neat.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470619</id>
	<title>Re:For the last time...</title>
	<author>ByOhTek</author>
	<datestamp>1245961740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>their thoughts?</p><p>w00t, less of our money spent on facilitating the transport of other peoples data.</p><p>Don't encourage the greedy bastards please.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>their thoughts ? w00t , less of our money spent on facilitating the transport of other peoples data.Do n't encourage the greedy bastards please .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>their thoughts?w00t, less of our money spent on facilitating the transport of other peoples data.Don't encourage the greedy bastards please.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470363</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28477153</id>
	<title>Re:Amazon pages will have to be blocked</title>
	<author>akayani</author>
	<datestamp>1245948660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Who would have predicted in the 70s that the Labour Party would become such an holy group of sux holes with such self righteous attitudes to sex and drugs.<br><br>"How can we pander to the masses today?"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who would have predicted in the 70s that the Labour Party would become such an holy group of sux holes with such self righteous attitudes to sex and drugs .
" How can we pander to the masses today ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who would have predicted in the 70s that the Labour Party would become such an holy group of sux holes with such self righteous attitudes to sex and drugs.
"How can we pander to the masses today?
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28474275</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470323</id>
	<title>Refused?</title>
	<author>roger\_that</author>
	<datestamp>1245960480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Who decides what games even get looked at for classification?  What if they just haven't gotten to the game you want yet?  Is there a backlog of games to classify?  So many 'gotchas', so little logic/common sense/ways to appeal.  My heart goes out to you Australian gamers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Who decides what games even get looked at for classification ?
What if they just have n't gotten to the game you want yet ?
Is there a backlog of games to classify ?
So many 'gotchas ' , so little logic/common sense/ways to appeal .
My heart goes out to you Australian gamers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who decides what games even get looked at for classification?
What if they just haven't gotten to the game you want yet?
Is there a backlog of games to classify?
So many 'gotchas', so little logic/common sense/ways to appeal.
My heart goes out to you Australian gamers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28476861</id>
	<title>GLWT - Viva Torrents/Usenet/FTP</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245946560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously - what are you going to do? block legitimate download sites/servers where we legitimately pay and download the game?</p><p>What about the likes of steam? going to block the whole service? yeh right... I'd love to be in Canberra when the winy little tards come out of their house and go after the people that permbanned them from all their favourite games.</p><p>You know... the very first thing that I'm going to do when I go to buy a game and it says "denied" is hit usenet or torrent (In fact, I've usually hit one of these first to try the game, and I'm going to buy it because I like it - the way we did things back in the doom/wolf3d days)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously - what are you going to do ?
block legitimate download sites/servers where we legitimately pay and download the game ? What about the likes of steam ?
going to block the whole service ?
yeh right... I 'd love to be in Canberra when the winy little tards come out of their house and go after the people that permbanned them from all their favourite games.You know... the very first thing that I 'm going to do when I go to buy a game and it says " denied " is hit usenet or torrent ( In fact , I 've usually hit one of these first to try the game , and I 'm going to buy it because I like it - the way we did things back in the doom/wolf3d days )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously - what are you going to do?
block legitimate download sites/servers where we legitimately pay and download the game?What about the likes of steam?
going to block the whole service?
yeh right... I'd love to be in Canberra when the winy little tards come out of their house and go after the people that permbanned them from all their favourite games.You know... the very first thing that I'm going to do when I go to buy a game and it says "denied" is hit usenet or torrent (In fact, I've usually hit one of these first to try the game, and I'm going to buy it because I like it - the way we did things back in the doom/wolf3d days)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28478001</id>
	<title>Re:Refused?</title>
	<author>Meski</author>
	<datestamp>1245956220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you want the game, it isn't a problem to order it online and get it fedexed here.  Customs have more to do than check dvd sized fedex packs.</p><p>I've even saved money doing it like this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you want the game , it is n't a problem to order it online and get it fedexed here .
Customs have more to do than check dvd sized fedex packs.I 've even saved money doing it like this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you want the game, it isn't a problem to order it online and get it fedexed here.
Customs have more to do than check dvd sized fedex packs.I've even saved money doing it like this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470557</id>
	<title>Re:For the last time...</title>
	<author>pilgrim23</author>
	<datestamp>1245961500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Does this mean my updates for Duke Nukem Forever may be delayed?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Does this mean my updates for Duke Nukem Forever may be delayed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does this mean my updates for Duke Nukem Forever may be delayed?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470453</id>
	<title>Re:For the last time...</title>
	<author>Het Irv</author>
	<datestamp>1245961020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thats really the only way to put it.  The more your Firewall attempts to block, the less effective it is.  Plain and simple.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thats really the only way to put it .
The more your Firewall attempts to block , the less effective it is .
Plain and simple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thats really the only way to put it.
The more your Firewall attempts to block, the less effective it is.
Plain and simple.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28471101</id>
	<title>MMORPGs?</title>
	<author>HollyDX</author>
	<datestamp>1245920520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So does this mean all MMORPGs clients will be blocked so you can't download them? A little while back someone mentioned that games like WoW or any other MMO couldn't meet a specific rating because of online content updates/players/etc, so they wanted to ban all MMOs but decided that they didn't fit under the same rules because MMOs didn't exist when the law was made. So I guess this may just happen now?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So does this mean all MMORPGs clients will be blocked so you ca n't download them ?
A little while back someone mentioned that games like WoW or any other MMO could n't meet a specific rating because of online content updates/players/etc , so they wanted to ban all MMOs but decided that they did n't fit under the same rules because MMOs did n't exist when the law was made .
So I guess this may just happen now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So does this mean all MMORPGs clients will be blocked so you can't download them?
A little while back someone mentioned that games like WoW or any other MMO couldn't meet a specific rating because of online content updates/players/etc, so they wanted to ban all MMOs but decided that they didn't fit under the same rules because MMOs didn't exist when the law was made.
So I guess this may just happen now?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470607</id>
	<title>Re:You can't censor my Willy.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245961680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can I stick my willy in your bum?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can I stick my willy in your bum ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can I stick my willy in your bum?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28471751</id>
	<title>HTTPS anyone?</title>
	<author>Wrath0fb0b</author>
	<datestamp>1245922560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In response, STEAM announced that users can opt-in to SSL for their protocols for an extra $1 per 10GB (to cover buying a few SSL accelerator cards). Australia briefly responded by blocking port 443 until the outcry of a million Aussies unable to get their email, buy porn or surf ebay.au with pitchforks made them "reconsider" the idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In response , STEAM announced that users can opt-in to SSL for their protocols for an extra $ 1 per 10GB ( to cover buying a few SSL accelerator cards ) .
Australia briefly responded by blocking port 443 until the outcry of a million Aussies unable to get their email , buy porn or surf ebay.au with pitchforks made them " reconsider " the idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In response, STEAM announced that users can opt-in to SSL for their protocols for an extra $1 per 10GB (to cover buying a few SSL accelerator cards).
Australia briefly responded by blocking port 443 until the outcry of a million Aussies unable to get their email, buy porn or surf ebay.au with pitchforks made them "reconsider" the idea.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28471597</id>
	<title>No Route Possible</title>
	<author>ObsessiveMathsFreak</author>
	<datestamp>1245922080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Repeating this mantra is not going to make the growing censorship of the internet go away. back in the days when the internet was solely the province of the technically minded, this may have been true. But in the days of a global, universal internet, this mantra is slowly but surely becoming hollow.</p><p>Governments of the world are not, NOT, going to put up with a medium in which anyone whatsoever can read or publish anything they wish, at any time, on a global scale, without any government control. More importantly, <b>the public is not going to put up with it</b>. This simply isn't the way human societies work. <i>People want censorship</i>.</p><p>If you doubt this, poll your friends and neighbors. Ask the plain question; "Do you think their should be government supervision of the internet?". The overwhelming majority of people will answer, "Yes". And they will not mean supervision over "extreme" material like child pornography and snuff sites. They will mean supervision over anorexia boards, neo-nazi sites, "obscene materials", fringe persons and political groups, atheists/creationists, <i>and in general censorship of anyone that they do not like</i>.</p><p>This increasing government interest in internet censorship is not coming out of nowhere. It's a natural progression of the general will of human society; to repress views they disagree with. If you can find enough people who dislike a thing, you can get it banned. That's what's happening to the internet, and that's why its getting so much support.</p><p>In the future, the current internet era (or more appropriately the one ten years ago), will be looked back on as we now look back on the late nineteenth century drug era, in which cocaine, cannabis and even heroin could be bought, sold and taken quite legally. People had rights to drugs in those days, but, slowly but surely, disapproval of those liberties lead to their restriction. The same thing is going to happen to the internet.</p><p>Eventually, you will need a license to publish material on the web, or at least to host a site, and all sites will be fully regulated by vast, probably international, government offices created for the purpose. This is coming and there is going to be no way to route around such a mortal wound to the free web.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wrong .
Wrong. Wrong .
Repeating this mantra is not going to make the growing censorship of the internet go away .
back in the days when the internet was solely the province of the technically minded , this may have been true .
But in the days of a global , universal internet , this mantra is slowly but surely becoming hollow.Governments of the world are not , NOT , going to put up with a medium in which anyone whatsoever can read or publish anything they wish , at any time , on a global scale , without any government control .
More importantly , the public is not going to put up with it .
This simply is n't the way human societies work .
People want censorship.If you doubt this , poll your friends and neighbors .
Ask the plain question ; " Do you think their should be government supervision of the internet ? " .
The overwhelming majority of people will answer , " Yes " .
And they will not mean supervision over " extreme " material like child pornography and snuff sites .
They will mean supervision over anorexia boards , neo-nazi sites , " obscene materials " , fringe persons and political groups , atheists/creationists , and in general censorship of anyone that they do not like.This increasing government interest in internet censorship is not coming out of nowhere .
It 's a natural progression of the general will of human society ; to repress views they disagree with .
If you can find enough people who dislike a thing , you can get it banned .
That 's what 's happening to the internet , and that 's why its getting so much support.In the future , the current internet era ( or more appropriately the one ten years ago ) , will be looked back on as we now look back on the late nineteenth century drug era , in which cocaine , cannabis and even heroin could be bought , sold and taken quite legally .
People had rights to drugs in those days , but , slowly but surely , disapproval of those liberties lead to their restriction .
The same thing is going to happen to the internet.Eventually , you will need a license to publish material on the web , or at least to host a site , and all sites will be fully regulated by vast , probably international , government offices created for the purpose .
This is coming and there is going to be no way to route around such a mortal wound to the free web .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wrong.
Wrong. Wrong.
Repeating this mantra is not going to make the growing censorship of the internet go away.
back in the days when the internet was solely the province of the technically minded, this may have been true.
But in the days of a global, universal internet, this mantra is slowly but surely becoming hollow.Governments of the world are not, NOT, going to put up with a medium in which anyone whatsoever can read or publish anything they wish, at any time, on a global scale, without any government control.
More importantly, the public is not going to put up with it.
This simply isn't the way human societies work.
People want censorship.If you doubt this, poll your friends and neighbors.
Ask the plain question; "Do you think their should be government supervision of the internet?".
The overwhelming majority of people will answer, "Yes".
And they will not mean supervision over "extreme" material like child pornography and snuff sites.
They will mean supervision over anorexia boards, neo-nazi sites, "obscene materials", fringe persons and political groups, atheists/creationists, and in general censorship of anyone that they do not like.This increasing government interest in internet censorship is not coming out of nowhere.
It's a natural progression of the general will of human society; to repress views they disagree with.
If you can find enough people who dislike a thing, you can get it banned.
That's what's happening to the internet, and that's why its getting so much support.In the future, the current internet era (or more appropriately the one ten years ago), will be looked back on as we now look back on the late nineteenth century drug era, in which cocaine, cannabis and even heroin could be bought, sold and taken quite legally.
People had rights to drugs in those days, but, slowly but surely, disapproval of those liberties lead to their restriction.
The same thing is going to happen to the internet.Eventually, you will need a license to publish material on the web, or at least to host a site, and all sites will be fully regulated by vast, probably international, government offices created for the purpose.
This is coming and there is going to be no way to route around such a mortal wound to the free web.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28475505</id>
	<title>Re:Huh?</title>
	<author>hoojus</author>
	<datestamp>1245937560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They are actually looking at deep packet inspection techniques to allow them to look at the content.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They are actually looking at deep packet inspection techniques to allow them to look at the content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They are actually looking at deep packet inspection techniques to allow them to look at the content.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470785</id>
	<title>Soon...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245962580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Soon, only content specifically authorized by the AU government will be allowed to be viewed.
<p>
It's not so bad, think of all the virii and malware you won't have to contend with!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Soon , only content specifically authorized by the AU government will be allowed to be viewed .
It 's not so bad , think of all the virii and malware you wo n't have to contend with !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Soon, only content specifically authorized by the AU government will be allowed to be viewed.
It's not so bad, think of all the virii and malware you won't have to contend with!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28475757</id>
	<title>Re:Oh noes!!!1!!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245939000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The filter is about rating R/C content, not unrated content. R/C means its Refused Classification, so be definition the OFLC has looked at it and decided on a rating.</p><p>Material that is yet to be rated is not considered R/C. Its unrated, and if you're looking to show it in a public forum then you need to make a judgement on its likely rating yourself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The filter is about rating R/C content , not unrated content .
R/C means its Refused Classification , so be definition the OFLC has looked at it and decided on a rating.Material that is yet to be rated is not considered R/C .
Its unrated , and if you 're looking to show it in a public forum then you need to make a judgement on its likely rating yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The filter is about rating R/C content, not unrated content.
R/C means its Refused Classification, so be definition the OFLC has looked at it and decided on a rating.Material that is yet to be rated is not considered R/C.
Its unrated, and if you're looking to show it in a public forum then you need to make a judgement on its likely rating yourself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470611</id>
	<title>Re:Unclassified games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245961680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If it is encrypted, it will not bypass the filter. It will be blocked, because it is encrypted. The innocent have nothing to hide, the innocent have nothing to fear. Are you innocent? Only criminals use encryption. Trust the government.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If it is encrypted , it will not bypass the filter .
It will be blocked , because it is encrypted .
The innocent have nothing to hide , the innocent have nothing to fear .
Are you innocent ?
Only criminals use encryption .
Trust the government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it is encrypted, it will not bypass the filter.
It will be blocked, because it is encrypted.
The innocent have nothing to hide, the innocent have nothing to fear.
Are you innocent?
Only criminals use encryption.
Trust the government.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28471011</id>
	<title>Wait a minute.</title>
	<author>immortalpob</author>
	<datestamp>1245963420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Using a blacklist to enforce a whitelist? Somehow this seems logically flawed..</htmltext>
<tokenext>Using a blacklist to enforce a whitelist ?
Somehow this seems logically flawed. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Using a blacklist to enforce a whitelist?
Somehow this seems logically flawed..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28476737</id>
	<title>Re:Can You Hear Me Now?</title>
	<author>Cimexus</author>
	<datestamp>1245945600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sure:</p><p>China: Comprehensive, active and ongoing censorship of many non-Chinese websites. Filter able to be changed rapidly in response to current events.</p><p>Iran: As above, but not as comprehensive or as sophisticated as China.</p><p>Australia: No internet censorship at the moment.</p><p>What Slashdot always fails to mention in these fear-mongering articles is that this filter is simply something that is being PROPOSED by a minority of politicians, mostly to appease promises they made during the last election to various conservative and Christian groups. It does not actually exist (yet).</p><p>Then of course you have the Americans coming in with comments like "OMG Australia is falling apart, what a shithole of a country", without realising that this is all just a proposal in one or two senators' deranged heads and doesn't exist. And knowing how things to in Australian politics, it is very unlikely to ever get approved by the wider Parliament and become law. There are a few reasons for this:</p><p>1. Massive public unpopularity. Most Australians don't want this. They aren't anti-censorship per se, but they sure are anti "anything-that-is-gonna-make-my-internets-slow-down". Trials have shown that this filter will substantially slow down access.</p><p>2. Most people, even politicians, understand that trying to censor the internet is virtually impossible (VPNs, encryption, plus the simple fact that websites can be changed, started up, shut down and moved around far quicker than any static list of sites could keep up with). So this would simply be a waste of money, and wasteful spending is not something the government wants to be seen to be doing in the current economic climate.</p><p>3. Comparisons with China, Iran et al. Just mentioning this is a pretty good way of turning someone against the filter pretty quickly.</p><p>Anyway so executive summary: there is no internet filtering in Australia currently. There is a (rather unpopular) proposal to implement some which I would give a good chance of never coming to fruition.</p><p>Slashdot needs to keep reporting on these stories<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I find the idea of this filter as abhorrent as any of you<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but it needs to acknowledge or make clearer that this filter doesn't actually exist. It's just an idea at this stage.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sure : China : Comprehensive , active and ongoing censorship of many non-Chinese websites .
Filter able to be changed rapidly in response to current events.Iran : As above , but not as comprehensive or as sophisticated as China.Australia : No internet censorship at the moment.What Slashdot always fails to mention in these fear-mongering articles is that this filter is simply something that is being PROPOSED by a minority of politicians , mostly to appease promises they made during the last election to various conservative and Christian groups .
It does not actually exist ( yet ) .Then of course you have the Americans coming in with comments like " OMG Australia is falling apart , what a shithole of a country " , without realising that this is all just a proposal in one or two senators ' deranged heads and does n't exist .
And knowing how things to in Australian politics , it is very unlikely to ever get approved by the wider Parliament and become law .
There are a few reasons for this : 1 .
Massive public unpopularity .
Most Australians do n't want this .
They are n't anti-censorship per se , but they sure are anti " anything-that-is-gon na-make-my-internets-slow-down " .
Trials have shown that this filter will substantially slow down access.2 .
Most people , even politicians , understand that trying to censor the internet is virtually impossible ( VPNs , encryption , plus the simple fact that websites can be changed , started up , shut down and moved around far quicker than any static list of sites could keep up with ) .
So this would simply be a waste of money , and wasteful spending is not something the government wants to be seen to be doing in the current economic climate.3 .
Comparisons with China , Iran et al .
Just mentioning this is a pretty good way of turning someone against the filter pretty quickly.Anyway so executive summary : there is no internet filtering in Australia currently .
There is a ( rather unpopular ) proposal to implement some which I would give a good chance of never coming to fruition.Slashdot needs to keep reporting on these stories ... I find the idea of this filter as abhorrent as any of you ... but it needs to acknowledge or make clearer that this filter does n't actually exist .
It 's just an idea at this stage .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sure:China: Comprehensive, active and ongoing censorship of many non-Chinese websites.
Filter able to be changed rapidly in response to current events.Iran: As above, but not as comprehensive or as sophisticated as China.Australia: No internet censorship at the moment.What Slashdot always fails to mention in these fear-mongering articles is that this filter is simply something that is being PROPOSED by a minority of politicians, mostly to appease promises they made during the last election to various conservative and Christian groups.
It does not actually exist (yet).Then of course you have the Americans coming in with comments like "OMG Australia is falling apart, what a shithole of a country", without realising that this is all just a proposal in one or two senators' deranged heads and doesn't exist.
And knowing how things to in Australian politics, it is very unlikely to ever get approved by the wider Parliament and become law.
There are a few reasons for this:1.
Massive public unpopularity.
Most Australians don't want this.
They aren't anti-censorship per se, but they sure are anti "anything-that-is-gonna-make-my-internets-slow-down".
Trials have shown that this filter will substantially slow down access.2.
Most people, even politicians, understand that trying to censor the internet is virtually impossible (VPNs, encryption, plus the simple fact that websites can be changed, started up, shut down and moved around far quicker than any static list of sites could keep up with).
So this would simply be a waste of money, and wasteful spending is not something the government wants to be seen to be doing in the current economic climate.3.
Comparisons with China, Iran et al.
Just mentioning this is a pretty good way of turning someone against the filter pretty quickly.Anyway so executive summary: there is no internet filtering in Australia currently.
There is a (rather unpopular) proposal to implement some which I would give a good chance of never coming to fruition.Slashdot needs to keep reporting on these stories ... I find the idea of this filter as abhorrent as any of you ... but it needs to acknowledge or make clearer that this filter doesn't actually exist.
It's just an idea at this stage.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470335</id>
	<title>Unclassified games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245960540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My understanding is a LOT of games don't get classifications out there.<br>Filtering them out so you can't get them at all is horrible as the content isn't necessarily bad (and if it is they shouldn't be the ones judging if someone of age should be able to play them).</p><p>What's that? It's just a file so it could be *gasp* encrypted and bypass said filter?</p><p>OFLC: Yeah, good luck with that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My understanding is a LOT of games do n't get classifications out there.Filtering them out so you ca n't get them at all is horrible as the content is n't necessarily bad ( and if it is they should n't be the ones judging if someone of age should be able to play them ) .What 's that ?
It 's just a file so it could be * gasp * encrypted and bypass said filter ? OFLC : Yeah , good luck with that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My understanding is a LOT of games don't get classifications out there.Filtering them out so you can't get them at all is horrible as the content isn't necessarily bad (and if it is they shouldn't be the ones judging if someone of age should be able to play them).What's that?
It's just a file so it could be *gasp* encrypted and bypass said filter?OFLC: Yeah, good luck with that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28475747</id>
	<title>Re:It just makes so much sense</title>
	<author>maglor\_83</author>
	<datestamp>1245938940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Will they be blocking violent movies too? What about violent books and song lyrics?</p></div><p>I wouldn't put it past them, no.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Will they be blocking violent movies too ?
What about violent books and song lyrics ? I would n't put it past them , no .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will they be blocking violent movies too?
What about violent books and song lyrics?I wouldn't put it past them, no.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470541</id>
	<title>A way to produce more &amp; better AU hackers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245961500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is an attempt by the government to increase the numbers and improve the skills of hackers in Australia. "You want to play those cool games, you have to hack your way past our Internet filters." People here on Slashdot are so paranoid. This is an attempt by the Australian government to provide a training environment for those computer skills that are needed in the 21st Century.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is an attempt by the government to increase the numbers and improve the skills of hackers in Australia .
" You want to play those cool games , you have to hack your way past our Internet filters .
" People here on Slashdot are so paranoid .
This is an attempt by the Australian government to provide a training environment for those computer skills that are needed in the 21st Century .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is an attempt by the government to increase the numbers and improve the skills of hackers in Australia.
"You want to play those cool games, you have to hack your way past our Internet filters.
" People here on Slashdot are so paranoid.
This is an attempt by the Australian government to provide a training environment for those computer skills that are needed in the 21st Century.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28473407</id>
	<title>Re:Unclassified games</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245928620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Leisure Suit Larry is a great example of a game that would be filtered because it was refused classification.</p><p><a href="http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/07/1238246" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/07/1238246</a> [slashdot.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Leisure Suit Larry is a great example of a game that would be filtered because it was refused classification.http : //games.slashdot.org/article.pl ? sid = 04/10/07/1238246 [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Leisure Suit Larry is a great example of a game that would be filtered because it was refused classification.http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/10/07/1238246 [slashdot.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28471291</id>
	<title>So....</title>
	<author>Mystery00</author>
	<datestamp>1245921120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So...... when are we starting the bonfires and begin throwing books?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So...... when are we starting the bonfires and begin throwing books ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So...... when are we starting the bonfires and begin throwing books?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28477253</id>
	<title>Re:Can You Hear Me Now?</title>
	<author>Techman83</author>
	<datestamp>1245949440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well at least in China, it's all about fear. The government don't want you to look at stuff and will do their darndest to block it, and what isn't blocked they make it well known that things are being logged and you can be tracked down for viewing such "banned" material.<br> <br>The Australian Labour government want to create a nanny internet where nothing "bad" can be visible by anyone. So in reality the proposed filters will be more controlling than the Chinese governments "Great Firewall"... <br> <br>Scary, sutpid, yet no one in the current Government seems to "Get It"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well at least in China , it 's all about fear .
The government do n't want you to look at stuff and will do their darndest to block it , and what is n't blocked they make it well known that things are being logged and you can be tracked down for viewing such " banned " material .
The Australian Labour government want to create a nanny internet where nothing " bad " can be visible by anyone .
So in reality the proposed filters will be more controlling than the Chinese governments " Great Firewall " ... Scary , sutpid , yet no one in the current Government seems to " Get It "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well at least in China, it's all about fear.
The government don't want you to look at stuff and will do their darndest to block it, and what isn't blocked they make it well known that things are being logged and you can be tracked down for viewing such "banned" material.
The Australian Labour government want to create a nanny internet where nothing "bad" can be visible by anyone.
So in reality the proposed filters will be more controlling than the Chinese governments "Great Firewall"...  Scary, sutpid, yet no one in the current Government seems to "Get It"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470515</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470877</id>
	<title>Re:Precedent</title>
	<author>Duositex</author>
	<datestamp>1245962940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The precedent in the US is that such censorship would never happen here.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The precedent in the US is that such censorship would never happen here .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The precedent in the US is that such censorship would never happen here.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28473519</id>
	<title>What filter?</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1245929040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last I heard the Great Firewall of Australia was being dumped by the biggest ISP and they were backing away from it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last I heard the Great Firewall of Australia was being dumped by the biggest ISP and they were backing away from it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last I heard the Great Firewall of Australia was being dumped by the biggest ISP and they were backing away from it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28471595</id>
	<title>Re:Precedent</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1245922080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>That's when you go back to the old Mom question of "If all the other countries were jumping off a bridge, would you jump too?"</p></div><p>(puts on senator hat)</p><p>Two questions:<br>1. Can I in some way say it's for the children, morality, economy, or national security?<br>2. What's the fastest way to the nearest bridge?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's when you go back to the old Mom question of " If all the other countries were jumping off a bridge , would you jump too ?
" ( puts on senator hat ) Two questions : 1 .
Can I in some way say it 's for the children , morality , economy , or national security ? 2 .
What 's the fastest way to the nearest bridge ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's when you go back to the old Mom question of "If all the other countries were jumping off a bridge, would you jump too?
"(puts on senator hat)Two questions:1.
Can I in some way say it's for the children, morality, economy, or national security?2.
What's the fastest way to the nearest bridge?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470609</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28471277</id>
	<title>I wanna see them...</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1245921060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...blocking encrypted downloads. Lol. Even a ROT128 would circumvent that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...blocking encrypted downloads .
Lol. Even a ROT128 would circumvent that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...blocking encrypted downloads.
Lol. Even a ROT128 would circumvent that.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470635</id>
	<title>Aus Gamers</title>
	<author>StickansT</author>
	<datestamp>1245961800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This makes my soul cry a little bit. My thoughts and prayers go out to the Aus gamers out there. Also makes me glad that America is'nt doing this.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This makes my soul cry a little bit .
My thoughts and prayers go out to the Aus gamers out there .
Also makes me glad that America is'nt doing this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This makes my soul cry a little bit.
My thoughts and prayers go out to the Aus gamers out there.
Also makes me glad that America is'nt doing this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28477649</id>
	<title>Re:No Route Possible</title>
	<author>JockTroll</author>
	<datestamp>1245953040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly. That kind of shite happens because, hear hear, people are generally so dumb that they always want to ban what they don't personally like. Those who want to restrict freedom in order to have an illusory, subjective feeling of "security" are all in the same camp while those who fight for their own liberties are fragmented in a thousand camps and do not have the wits to band together since it's pretty much the same battle. No wonder we're heading towards gulagland.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
That kind of shite happens because , hear hear , people are generally so dumb that they always want to ban what they do n't personally like .
Those who want to restrict freedom in order to have an illusory , subjective feeling of " security " are all in the same camp while those who fight for their own liberties are fragmented in a thousand camps and do not have the wits to band together since it 's pretty much the same battle .
No wonder we 're heading towards gulagland .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
That kind of shite happens because, hear hear, people are generally so dumb that they always want to ban what they don't personally like.
Those who want to restrict freedom in order to have an illusory, subjective feeling of "security" are all in the same camp while those who fight for their own liberties are fragmented in a thousand camps and do not have the wits to band together since it's pretty much the same battle.
No wonder we're heading towards gulagland.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28471597</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470367</id>
	<title>Precedent</title>
	<author>parlancex</author>
	<datestamp>1245960720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's genuinely disappointing to see happening in other free countries because I guarantee one of the first arguments that will be made for implementing a similar scheme in Canada will start with "This system is already in place in many other countries such as Australia, etc.", then again I suppose it's equally disappointing that our country is so easily influenced by some of the precedents set by US et al.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's genuinely disappointing to see happening in other free countries because I guarantee one of the first arguments that will be made for implementing a similar scheme in Canada will start with " This system is already in place in many other countries such as Australia , etc .
" , then again I suppose it 's equally disappointing that our country is so easily influenced by some of the precedents set by US et al .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's genuinely disappointing to see happening in other free countries because I guarantee one of the first arguments that will be made for implementing a similar scheme in Canada will start with "This system is already in place in many other countries such as Australia, etc.
", then again I suppose it's equally disappointing that our country is so easily influenced by some of the precedents set by US et al.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28478105</id>
	<title>Firewall's death has been greatly exaggerated</title>
	<author>Cinnaman</author>
	<datestamp>1245957060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought this stupid fucking thing was being swept under the carpet. Conroy should collect his internet villain award once pages start being blocked on computers across the nation.<br>Maybe the debate shouldn't be about censorship but rather having a controlled internet, censorship seems to be the cover for using Australia as a testbed for finally getting rid of free speech on the web.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought this stupid fucking thing was being swept under the carpet .
Conroy should collect his internet villain award once pages start being blocked on computers across the nation.Maybe the debate should n't be about censorship but rather having a controlled internet , censorship seems to be the cover for using Australia as a testbed for finally getting rid of free speech on the web .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought this stupid fucking thing was being swept under the carpet.
Conroy should collect his internet villain award once pages start being blocked on computers across the nation.Maybe the debate shouldn't be about censorship but rather having a controlled internet, censorship seems to be the cover for using Australia as a testbed for finally getting rid of free speech on the web.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470857</id>
	<title>Re:For the last time...</title>
	<author>DoofusOfDeath</author>
	<datestamp>1245962880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I will say this slowly for you politicians. The Internet sees censorship as damage, it will route around you.</p></div><p>There's nothing very unique about the Internet in this regard.</p><p>Anything that the population might want: internet packets, illegal drugs, tax-free cigarettes, Bibles, Prohibition-era gin, unlicensed DVDs, etc. will get routed around the government's attempts to block it.</p><p>Maybe all that really changes is how many people get hurt in the process.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I will say this slowly for you politicians .
The Internet sees censorship as damage , it will route around you.There 's nothing very unique about the Internet in this regard.Anything that the population might want : internet packets , illegal drugs , tax-free cigarettes , Bibles , Prohibition-era gin , unlicensed DVDs , etc .
will get routed around the government 's attempts to block it.Maybe all that really changes is how many people get hurt in the process .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I will say this slowly for you politicians.
The Internet sees censorship as damage, it will route around you.There's nothing very unique about the Internet in this regard.Anything that the population might want: internet packets, illegal drugs, tax-free cigarettes, Bibles, Prohibition-era gin, unlicensed DVDs, etc.
will get routed around the government's attempts to block it.Maybe all that really changes is how many people get hurt in the process.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470363</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28476829</id>
	<title>Re:No Route Possible</title>
	<author>Cimexus</author>
	<datestamp>1245946200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can I just say this is a fantastic post and I bet you will be proved to be right. If you think about it, the Internet is truly a unique thing in today's world. The only communications medium that has essentially no controls over its use (unless you live in China etc).</p><p>I'm Australian and while we don't have any filtering at this time, this proposed filter does worry me. I'm fairly certain it's unpopular (and technicall unfeasible) enough to not pass through Parliament in its current form. But give it another few decades<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and I think we all will be heading the way you describe. That includes America. In fact, America might end up censoring things MORE than we do in Australia (compare the levels of nudity and swearing that you can see on free-to-air US TV, and free-to-air Australian TV: Australia allows much more of both, and basically doesn't censor anything after 10pm, whereas the US tends to bleep out stuff far more often).</p><p>Your post is sad, but realistic, I think.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can I just say this is a fantastic post and I bet you will be proved to be right .
If you think about it , the Internet is truly a unique thing in today 's world .
The only communications medium that has essentially no controls over its use ( unless you live in China etc ) .I 'm Australian and while we do n't have any filtering at this time , this proposed filter does worry me .
I 'm fairly certain it 's unpopular ( and technicall unfeasible ) enough to not pass through Parliament in its current form .
But give it another few decades ... and I think we all will be heading the way you describe .
That includes America .
In fact , America might end up censoring things MORE than we do in Australia ( compare the levels of nudity and swearing that you can see on free-to-air US TV , and free-to-air Australian TV : Australia allows much more of both , and basically does n't censor anything after 10pm , whereas the US tends to bleep out stuff far more often ) .Your post is sad , but realistic , I think .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can I just say this is a fantastic post and I bet you will be proved to be right.
If you think about it, the Internet is truly a unique thing in today's world.
The only communications medium that has essentially no controls over its use (unless you live in China etc).I'm Australian and while we don't have any filtering at this time, this proposed filter does worry me.
I'm fairly certain it's unpopular (and technicall unfeasible) enough to not pass through Parliament in its current form.
But give it another few decades ... and I think we all will be heading the way you describe.
That includes America.
In fact, America might end up censoring things MORE than we do in Australia (compare the levels of nudity and swearing that you can see on free-to-air US TV, and free-to-air Australian TV: Australia allows much more of both, and basically doesn't censor anything after 10pm, whereas the US tends to bleep out stuff far more often).Your post is sad, but realistic, I think.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28471597</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28472743</id>
	<title>Can i get a new internet?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245925800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i don't like this one any more</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i do n't like this one any more</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i don't like this one any more</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28476669</id>
	<title>Re:Refused?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245945120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had a thought.  What if say, instead of using a site like Google as an entry point to the web, you used a gnutella client instead.  You search for whatever you are looking for in the search box and the results were instead of audio, video, etc., but were in the form of html documents.  You click on one and it downloads real quick and you view it in your browser.  Then, when you want to click on some link in the html document you are reading, instead of hyperlinking to another web page, it is a hash that downloads the relevant file again off of gnutella, and so on and so forth.  How effective would, basically running the net on the P2P networks be in the face of mass censorship?  Also, this would take a lot of control out of the hands of ICANN, etc. and give it to the people.  Just a thought.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had a thought .
What if say , instead of using a site like Google as an entry point to the web , you used a gnutella client instead .
You search for whatever you are looking for in the search box and the results were instead of audio , video , etc. , but were in the form of html documents .
You click on one and it downloads real quick and you view it in your browser .
Then , when you want to click on some link in the html document you are reading , instead of hyperlinking to another web page , it is a hash that downloads the relevant file again off of gnutella , and so on and so forth .
How effective would , basically running the net on the P2P networks be in the face of mass censorship ?
Also , this would take a lot of control out of the hands of ICANN , etc .
and give it to the people .
Just a thought .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had a thought.
What if say, instead of using a site like Google as an entry point to the web, you used a gnutella client instead.
You search for whatever you are looking for in the search box and the results were instead of audio, video, etc., but were in the form of html documents.
You click on one and it downloads real quick and you view it in your browser.
Then, when you want to click on some link in the html document you are reading, instead of hyperlinking to another web page, it is a hash that downloads the relevant file again off of gnutella, and so on and so forth.
How effective would, basically running the net on the P2P networks be in the face of mass censorship?
Also, this would take a lot of control out of the hands of ICANN, etc.
and give it to the people.
Just a thought.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470323</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28472197</id>
	<title>Re:Unclassified games</title>
	<author>Belegothmog</author>
	<datestamp>1245923880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If it is encrypted, it will not bypass the filter. It will be blocked, because it is encrypted. The innocent have nothing to hide, the innocent have nothing to fear. Are you innocent? Only criminals use encryption. Trust the government.</p></div><p>Stay Alert! Trust No One! Keep Your Laser Handy!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If it is encrypted , it will not bypass the filter .
It will be blocked , because it is encrypted .
The innocent have nothing to hide , the innocent have nothing to fear .
Are you innocent ?
Only criminals use encryption .
Trust the government.Stay Alert !
Trust No One !
Keep Your Laser Handy !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If it is encrypted, it will not bypass the filter.
It will be blocked, because it is encrypted.
The innocent have nothing to hide, the innocent have nothing to fear.
Are you innocent?
Only criminals use encryption.
Trust the government.Stay Alert!
Trust No One!
Keep Your Laser Handy!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470611</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28471177</id>
	<title>Re:For the last time...</title>
	<author>steelfood</author>
	<datestamp>1245920760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The internet is an abstract idea that only exists as when the sum of all of the networks is greater than the individual parts. Networks can and is meant to be scaled up or down. A country-wide firewall is not damage. Filtering, which you can think of is a firewall that looks at content rather than connection, is not damage. Damage is when one node disappears off the network. You can still route around that. But there's no "around" when a country-wide firewall disallows connections to be made with servers outside of the country, or when filtering is applied to an entire nation, especially an island nation like Australia.</p><p>The saying you're looking for is, better locks only results in better lockpicks.</p><p>That having been said, who <i>didn't</i> see this coming?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The internet is an abstract idea that only exists as when the sum of all of the networks is greater than the individual parts .
Networks can and is meant to be scaled up or down .
A country-wide firewall is not damage .
Filtering , which you can think of is a firewall that looks at content rather than connection , is not damage .
Damage is when one node disappears off the network .
You can still route around that .
But there 's no " around " when a country-wide firewall disallows connections to be made with servers outside of the country , or when filtering is applied to an entire nation , especially an island nation like Australia.The saying you 're looking for is , better locks only results in better lockpicks.That having been said , who did n't see this coming ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The internet is an abstract idea that only exists as when the sum of all of the networks is greater than the individual parts.
Networks can and is meant to be scaled up or down.
A country-wide firewall is not damage.
Filtering, which you can think of is a firewall that looks at content rather than connection, is not damage.
Damage is when one node disappears off the network.
You can still route around that.
But there's no "around" when a country-wide firewall disallows connections to be made with servers outside of the country, or when filtering is applied to an entire nation, especially an island nation like Australia.The saying you're looking for is, better locks only results in better lockpicks.That having been said, who didn't see this coming?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470363</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28478493</id>
	<title>Steam</title>
	<author>Samah</author>
	<datestamp>1246046880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So what happens if a game gets released on Steam which is "refused classification"?  What are they going to do... block every Steam content server?  The big name ISPs in Australia all have their own content servers, usually unmetered.<br>
Defective by design indeed.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So what happens if a game gets released on Steam which is " refused classification " ?
What are they going to do... block every Steam content server ?
The big name ISPs in Australia all have their own content servers , usually unmetered .
Defective by design indeed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what happens if a game gets released on Steam which is "refused classification"?
What are they going to do... block every Steam content server?
The big name ISPs in Australia all have their own content servers, usually unmetered.
Defective by design indeed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28478371</id>
	<title>Re:Precedent</title>
	<author>Euan Buchanan</author>
	<datestamp>1245959520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Australia was first with mandatory helmet laws for cyclists.  Now Australia's experience with that is cited as good reason not to introduce the same in other countries.

So, it may be good for the rest of the world.  Probably not.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Australia was first with mandatory helmet laws for cyclists .
Now Australia 's experience with that is cited as good reason not to introduce the same in other countries .
So , it may be good for the rest of the world .
Probably not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Australia was first with mandatory helmet laws for cyclists.
Now Australia's experience with that is cited as good reason not to introduce the same in other countries.
So, it may be good for the rest of the world.
Probably not.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470367</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28473639</id>
	<title>What about FOSS?</title>
	<author>qreeves</author>
	<datestamp>1245929640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Everyone seems to have touched on the obvious issues here, but what about Free and Open Source games? The project I work on, a First Person Shooter, looked into the OFLC process only a few months ago, and there are strict rules in place; one of them being that you require a publisher. FOSS games not only have no publisher, but they're not even physically distributed in most cases. Not only can they not get classified, if they're deemed to exceed this arbitrary MA15+ rating they'll be outright blocked without any avenue of appeal because they don't fit "inside the neat little box" that still exist due to arcane laws (something that deeply concerns me as an Australian FOSS Developer).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone seems to have touched on the obvious issues here , but what about Free and Open Source games ?
The project I work on , a First Person Shooter , looked into the OFLC process only a few months ago , and there are strict rules in place ; one of them being that you require a publisher .
FOSS games not only have no publisher , but they 're not even physically distributed in most cases .
Not only can they not get classified , if they 're deemed to exceed this arbitrary MA15 + rating they 'll be outright blocked without any avenue of appeal because they do n't fit " inside the neat little box " that still exist due to arcane laws ( something that deeply concerns me as an Australian FOSS Developer ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone seems to have touched on the obvious issues here, but what about Free and Open Source games?
The project I work on, a First Person Shooter, looked into the OFLC process only a few months ago, and there are strict rules in place; one of them being that you require a publisher.
FOSS games not only have no publisher, but they're not even physically distributed in most cases.
Not only can they not get classified, if they're deemed to exceed this arbitrary MA15+ rating they'll be outright blocked without any avenue of appeal because they don't fit "inside the neat little box" that still exist due to arcane laws (something that deeply concerns me as an Australian FOSS Developer).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470273</id>
	<title>FP!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245960360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>FIRST!</htmltext>
<tokenext>FIRST !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>FIRST!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470603</id>
	<title>Oh noes!!!1!!!</title>
	<author>stokessd</author>
	<datestamp>1245961680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Gnometris isn't rated, I'll never be able to update it...</p><p>Sheldon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Gnometris is n't rated , I 'll never be able to update it...Sheldon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gnometris isn't rated, I'll never be able to update it...Sheldon</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28471495</id>
	<title>Handle my own parenting duties</title>
	<author>techoi</author>
	<datestamp>1245921720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Since I am silly and want to handle my own parenting duties, is there another internet I can start to utilize?  I prefer to protect my children, as much as possible, from the evil and stupid of the world and thus don't want the average politician interacting with ANY of their upbringing.

On the upside, I think we finally found a country (Australia) that would be happy to take Utah off our hands.  Hell, maybe we can trade Utah, Idaho, and Nebraska for that giant fricking rock of theirs.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Since I am silly and want to handle my own parenting duties , is there another internet I can start to utilize ?
I prefer to protect my children , as much as possible , from the evil and stupid of the world and thus do n't want the average politician interacting with ANY of their upbringing .
On the upside , I think we finally found a country ( Australia ) that would be happy to take Utah off our hands .
Hell , maybe we can trade Utah , Idaho , and Nebraska for that giant fricking rock of theirs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since I am silly and want to handle my own parenting duties, is there another internet I can start to utilize?
I prefer to protect my children, as much as possible, from the evil and stupid of the world and thus don't want the average politician interacting with ANY of their upbringing.
On the upside, I think we finally found a country (Australia) that would be happy to take Utah off our hands.
Hell, maybe we can trade Utah, Idaho, and Nebraska for that giant fricking rock of theirs.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470657</id>
	<title>We need a Source Mod</title>
	<author>basementman</author>
	<datestamp>1245961920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Someone needs to make a source mod where the objective is to go around violently killing alien monsters that censor the internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone needs to make a source mod where the objective is to go around violently killing alien monsters that censor the internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone needs to make a source mod where the objective is to go around violently killing alien monsters that censor the internet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28471617</id>
	<title>Game in a Slashdot comment</title>
	<author>sega01</author>
	<datestamp>1245922140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>\_\_\_\_\_<br>|o|x|o|<br>|o|o|x|<br>|x|x|x|</p><p>OMG!</p><p>You just downloaded a game! You didn't pay the tic-tac-toe inventors royalties, or the governement taxes!</p><p>My comment will be censored one day if this really works. Australian Internet Censorship ftw.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>\ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ \ _ | o | x | o | | o | o | x | | x | x | x | OMG ! You just downloaded a game !
You did n't pay the tic-tac-toe inventors royalties , or the governement taxes ! My comment will be censored one day if this really works .
Australian Internet Censorship ftw .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>\_\_\_\_\_|o|x|o||o|o|x||x|x|x|OMG!You just downloaded a game!
You didn't pay the tic-tac-toe inventors royalties, or the governement taxes!My comment will be censored one day if this really works.
Australian Internet Censorship ftw.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28475779</id>
	<title>Re:Oh noes!!!1!!!</title>
	<author>maglor\_83</author>
	<datestamp>1245939120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not that I agree with the filter in any way whatsoever, but there is a difference between an unrated game and a game that has been refused classification.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not that I agree with the filter in any way whatsoever , but there is a difference between an unrated game and a game that has been refused classification .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not that I agree with the filter in any way whatsoever, but there is a difference between an unrated game and a game that has been refused classification.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470603</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28475501</id>
	<title>Doesn't make sense</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245937560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It feels like the people making these laws haven't looked around their own country lately. They refuse to have an 18+ classification for games but most cities are littered with legal hoar houses. I can remember when they made a big deal about GTA letting you pickup prostitutes..... wtf? These people are severely confused about what morals are. Governments should stick with providing roads, hospitals, etc and let us make our own decisions. God knows Australia has bigger problems then peoples heads exploding in video games.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It feels like the people making these laws have n't looked around their own country lately .
They refuse to have an 18 + classification for games but most cities are littered with legal hoar houses .
I can remember when they made a big deal about GTA letting you pickup prostitutes..... wtf ? These people are severely confused about what morals are .
Governments should stick with providing roads , hospitals , etc and let us make our own decisions .
God knows Australia has bigger problems then peoples heads exploding in video games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It feels like the people making these laws haven't looked around their own country lately.
They refuse to have an 18+ classification for games but most cities are littered with legal hoar houses.
I can remember when they made a big deal about GTA letting you pickup prostitutes..... wtf? These people are severely confused about what morals are.
Governments should stick with providing roads, hospitals, etc and let us make our own decisions.
God knows Australia has bigger problems then peoples heads exploding in video games.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28477195</id>
	<title>Re:Unclassified games</title>
	<author>Techman83</author>
	<datestamp>1245948960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Main problem being there is no R18+ for games. There have been many attempts to get it, but it remains stuck at M15+. So too much blood or boobs will get the game given an RC classification. What's worse is mechanical gore, they just don't know how to classify it, so it automatically gets an RC. Go figure... Stupid idiots in charge of this country! (RC = Refused Classification)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Main problem being there is no R18 + for games .
There have been many attempts to get it , but it remains stuck at M15 + .
So too much blood or boobs will get the game given an RC classification .
What 's worse is mechanical gore , they just do n't know how to classify it , so it automatically gets an RC .
Go figure... Stupid idiots in charge of this country !
( RC = Refused Classification )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Main problem being there is no R18+ for games.
There have been many attempts to get it, but it remains stuck at M15+.
So too much blood or boobs will get the game given an RC classification.
What's worse is mechanical gore, they just don't know how to classify it, so it automatically gets an RC.
Go figure... Stupid idiots in charge of this country!
(RC = Refused Classification)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470335</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470365</id>
	<title>Ban games?</title>
	<author>Wowsers</author>
	<datestamp>1245960720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I guess that means no more updates for BZflag and Tux Racer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess that means no more updates for BZflag and Tux Racer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess that means no more updates for BZflag and Tux Racer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470831</id>
	<title>Re:For the last time...</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1245962820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The Internet sees censorship as damage, it will route around you.</p></div><p>The internet for some users yes.  But not for everyone and not for every game.  Is this scheme going to be applied to Xbox live for example?  Because I can tell you from personal experience that XBLA sees any censorship and damage (and, well, normal functions if I'm being honest) as a signal to give up completely.  And commit console suicide probably as well.</p><p>Some slashdotters will scoff at those people sure, but I trust a lot of you recognize that not being very computer literate and using consoles shouldn't mean the government should get to tell you what videogames you can and can't play in your freetime.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Internet sees censorship as damage , it will route around you.The internet for some users yes .
But not for everyone and not for every game .
Is this scheme going to be applied to Xbox live for example ?
Because I can tell you from personal experience that XBLA sees any censorship and damage ( and , well , normal functions if I 'm being honest ) as a signal to give up completely .
And commit console suicide probably as well.Some slashdotters will scoff at those people sure , but I trust a lot of you recognize that not being very computer literate and using consoles should n't mean the government should get to tell you what videogames you can and ca n't play in your freetime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Internet sees censorship as damage, it will route around you.The internet for some users yes.
But not for everyone and not for every game.
Is this scheme going to be applied to Xbox live for example?
Because I can tell you from personal experience that XBLA sees any censorship and damage (and, well, normal functions if I'm being honest) as a signal to give up completely.
And commit console suicide probably as well.Some slashdotters will scoff at those people sure, but I trust a lot of you recognize that not being very computer literate and using consoles shouldn't mean the government should get to tell you what videogames you can and can't play in your freetime.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470363</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28479073</id>
	<title>Re:No Route Possible</title>
	<author>Ckwop</author>
	<datestamp>1246008720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
There are a couple of things that might prevent this:
</p><ol>
<li> The sneakernet </li><li> Wifi-net.</li>
</ol><p> <b> The Sneakernet</b> </p><p>
Disk capacity is now so large that now you can carry terrabytes of data around with you in your backpack. It will be quite feasible in a few years to transport every top twenty game, music album and movie for the last five decades in a single backpack. This amount of data is so large and so easily duplicated that it would be almost impossible to stop.
</p><p>
Unlike packets, that go through certain "choke-points" the sneakernet really is a peer to peer network where each node is created equal. Even if they won the battle to censor the Internet, it would be no use.
</p><p> <b> The Wifi-net </b>
</p><p>
There is another peer to peer network being created right under our own noses!
</p><p>
How long it is before people realise that we can chain our wifi access points together to make a shadownet. An Internet that isn't run by big business but individual access points relaying traffic to each other? How on earth do you even start to control that kind of network.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There are a couple of things that might prevent this : The sneakernet Wifi-net .
The Sneakernet Disk capacity is now so large that now you can carry terrabytes of data around with you in your backpack .
It will be quite feasible in a few years to transport every top twenty game , music album and movie for the last five decades in a single backpack .
This amount of data is so large and so easily duplicated that it would be almost impossible to stop .
Unlike packets , that go through certain " choke-points " the sneakernet really is a peer to peer network where each node is created equal .
Even if they won the battle to censor the Internet , it would be no use .
The Wifi-net There is another peer to peer network being created right under our own noses !
How long it is before people realise that we can chain our wifi access points together to make a shadownet .
An Internet that is n't run by big business but individual access points relaying traffic to each other ?
How on earth do you even start to control that kind of network .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
There are a couple of things that might prevent this:

 The sneakernet  Wifi-net.
The Sneakernet 
Disk capacity is now so large that now you can carry terrabytes of data around with you in your backpack.
It will be quite feasible in a few years to transport every top twenty game, music album and movie for the last five decades in a single backpack.
This amount of data is so large and so easily duplicated that it would be almost impossible to stop.
Unlike packets, that go through certain "choke-points" the sneakernet really is a peer to peer network where each node is created equal.
Even if they won the battle to censor the Internet, it would be no use.
The Wifi-net 

There is another peer to peer network being created right under our own noses!
How long it is before people realise that we can chain our wifi access points together to make a shadownet.
An Internet that isn't run by big business but individual access points relaying traffic to each other?
How on earth do you even start to control that kind of network.
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28471597</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470295</id>
	<title>You can't censor my Willy.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245960420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Imagine your willy being smacked until it bleeds.</p><p>J.delanoy</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Imagine your willy being smacked until it bleeds.J.delanoy</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Imagine your willy being smacked until it bleeds.J.delanoy</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470427</id>
	<title>It just makes so much sense</title>
	<author>CopaceticOpus</author>
	<datestamp>1245960900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will they be blocking violent movies too? What about violent books and song lyrics?</p><p>I don't doubt this will have an effect. Instead of 15-20 year olds playing violent games occasionally, they will now find them incredibly cool, and go to great lengths to play them. They won't have much trouble unless Australia figures out how to block torrents and eBay too. Even that wouldn't stop anyone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will they be blocking violent movies too ?
What about violent books and song lyrics ? I do n't doubt this will have an effect .
Instead of 15-20 year olds playing violent games occasionally , they will now find them incredibly cool , and go to great lengths to play them .
They wo n't have much trouble unless Australia figures out how to block torrents and eBay too .
Even that would n't stop anyone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will they be blocking violent movies too?
What about violent books and song lyrics?I don't doubt this will have an effect.
Instead of 15-20 year olds playing violent games occasionally, they will now find them incredibly cool, and go to great lengths to play them.
They won't have much trouble unless Australia figures out how to block torrents and eBay too.
Even that wouldn't stop anyone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28475137</id>
	<title>Re:The door is open</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245935400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Now each item that the Australian government (not the public, but those in control) finds objectionable will come under review and may be censored.</p></div><p>Keep in mind please that no filter has yet come to pass... if you're in Australia, write to your MP. If not... wish us luck<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>(Note: I work at an ISP, but I speak for myself, not my employer)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now each item that the Australian government ( not the public , but those in control ) finds objectionable will come under review and may be censored.Keep in mind please that no filter has yet come to pass... if you 're in Australia , write to your MP .
If not... wish us luck : ) ( Note : I work at an ISP , but I speak for myself , not my employer )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now each item that the Australian government (not the public, but those in control) finds objectionable will come under review and may be censored.Keep in mind please that no filter has yet come to pass... if you're in Australia, write to your MP.
If not... wish us luck :)(Note: I work at an ISP, but I speak for myself, not my employer)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470511</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28471041</id>
	<title>Re:We need a Source Mod</title>
	<author>FutureDomain</author>
	<datestamp>1245963540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Someone needs to make a source mod where the objective is to go around violently killing <strong>politicians</strong> that censor the internet.</p></div><p>There, fixed that for ya.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Someone needs to make a source mod where the objective is to go around violently killing politicians that censor the internet.There , fixed that for ya .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Someone needs to make a source mod where the objective is to go around violently killing politicians that censor the internet.There, fixed that for ya.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470657</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470655</id>
	<title>I'm glad i'm leaving Australia</title>
	<author>DiSKiLLeR</author>
	<datestamp>1245961920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is just fucking ridiculous.</p><p>I'm glad I'm leaving Australia.</p><p>Supposedly this means WoW will be banned, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is just fucking ridiculous.I 'm glad I 'm leaving Australia.Supposedly this means WoW will be banned , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is just fucking ridiculous.I'm glad I'm leaving Australia.Supposedly this means WoW will be banned, too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28471437</id>
	<title>Re:Unclassified games</title>
	<author>Orion Blastar</author>
	<datestamp>1245921540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is the same problem with Cable and Satellite TV filters. Most of the movies and TV shows are unrated and setting the V-Chip or whatever filters for PG-13 and under will also filter out unrated shows and movies.</p><p>When you block something to keep the children away from it in this way, it also blocks adults from getting the games as well. Just like blocking TV shows and Movies will prevent an adult from seeing them. But you have to enter the four digit code on TV devices to bypass the filter, and kids are smart enough to watch the adults enter the four digits and then use it to bypass the filters.</p><p>Sure you could bypass the filters on the Internet by using a DNS server or servers from another country like the UK or USA so that they cannot block it by DNS access. You could also use Tor or some other proxy to bypass the filters. I am sure that the Australian Teenage kids are smart enough to do stuff like that to bypass the filters. It is just like the Youtube system to see adult rated videos, enter your birthdate and for the year instead of entering your own year use the birth year that Mommy or Daddy has and you'll get adult access. That sort of filter system is stupid and can easily be gotten around even by teenagers and young kids.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the same problem with Cable and Satellite TV filters .
Most of the movies and TV shows are unrated and setting the V-Chip or whatever filters for PG-13 and under will also filter out unrated shows and movies.When you block something to keep the children away from it in this way , it also blocks adults from getting the games as well .
Just like blocking TV shows and Movies will prevent an adult from seeing them .
But you have to enter the four digit code on TV devices to bypass the filter , and kids are smart enough to watch the adults enter the four digits and then use it to bypass the filters.Sure you could bypass the filters on the Internet by using a DNS server or servers from another country like the UK or USA so that they can not block it by DNS access .
You could also use Tor or some other proxy to bypass the filters .
I am sure that the Australian Teenage kids are smart enough to do stuff like that to bypass the filters .
It is just like the Youtube system to see adult rated videos , enter your birthdate and for the year instead of entering your own year use the birth year that Mommy or Daddy has and you 'll get adult access .
That sort of filter system is stupid and can easily be gotten around even by teenagers and young kids .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the same problem with Cable and Satellite TV filters.
Most of the movies and TV shows are unrated and setting the V-Chip or whatever filters for PG-13 and under will also filter out unrated shows and movies.When you block something to keep the children away from it in this way, it also blocks adults from getting the games as well.
Just like blocking TV shows and Movies will prevent an adult from seeing them.
But you have to enter the four digit code on TV devices to bypass the filter, and kids are smart enough to watch the adults enter the four digits and then use it to bypass the filters.Sure you could bypass the filters on the Internet by using a DNS server or servers from another country like the UK or USA so that they cannot block it by DNS access.
You could also use Tor or some other proxy to bypass the filters.
I am sure that the Australian Teenage kids are smart enough to do stuff like that to bypass the filters.
It is just like the Youtube system to see adult rated videos, enter your birthdate and for the year instead of entering your own year use the birth year that Mommy or Daddy has and you'll get adult access.
That sort of filter system is stupid and can easily be gotten around even by teenagers and young kids.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28471395</id>
	<title>Re:Precedent</title>
	<author>steelfood</author>
	<datestamp>1245921420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a perfectly legitimate excuse if your ultimate goal is to commit suicide.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a perfectly legitimate excuse if your ultimate goal is to commit suicide .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a perfectly legitimate excuse if your ultimate goal is to commit suicide.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470609</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470573</id>
	<title>Re:Refused?</title>
	<author>unlametheweak</author>
	<datestamp>1245961620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Who decides what games even get looked at for classification? What if they just haven't gotten to the game you want yet?</p></div><p>According to the article, somebody from the public needs to make a complaint; </p><p><div class="quote"><p>Senator Conroy's spokesman said the filter would cover "computer games such as web-based flash games and downloadable games, if a complaint is received and the content is determined by ACMA to be Refused Classification".</p></div><p>I'm sure there will be special interest groups of many varieties saving the children from various categories of filth and immorality. The Internet will be a much more polished facade of reality than it is now.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Who decides what games even get looked at for classification ?
What if they just have n't gotten to the game you want yet ? According to the article , somebody from the public needs to make a complaint ; Senator Conroy 's spokesman said the filter would cover " computer games such as web-based flash games and downloadable games , if a complaint is received and the content is determined by ACMA to be Refused Classification " .I 'm sure there will be special interest groups of many varieties saving the children from various categories of filth and immorality .
The Internet will be a much more polished facade of reality than it is now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Who decides what games even get looked at for classification?
What if they just haven't gotten to the game you want yet?According to the article, somebody from the public needs to make a complaint; Senator Conroy's spokesman said the filter would cover "computer games such as web-based flash games and downloadable games, if a complaint is received and the content is determined by ACMA to be Refused Classification".I'm sure there will be special interest groups of many varieties saving the children from various categories of filth and immorality.
The Internet will be a much more polished facade of reality than it is now.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28472149</id>
	<title>Re:Refused?</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1245923640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stop being too logical, its not about the true effectiveness, its about the progression of control of the population.  If they try, and manage to block one thing, they consider it a success and continue down the same road, looking for #2, then #3.  The have time, and unlimited budgets.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stop being too logical , its not about the true effectiveness , its about the progression of control of the population .
If they try , and manage to block one thing , they consider it a success and continue down the same road , looking for # 2 , then # 3 .
The have time , and unlimited budgets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stop being too logical, its not about the true effectiveness, its about the progression of control of the population.
If they try, and manage to block one thing, they consider it a success and continue down the same road, looking for #2, then #3.
The have time, and unlimited budgets.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28478665</id>
	<title>In a democracy....</title>
	<author>leereyno</author>
	<datestamp>1246048500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve.</p><p>I don't blame the apparatchiks in government down under, I blame the citizens who voted them into power and who are standing idly by while their rights are being trampled.</p><p>There has never been and never will be a shortage of would be tyrants in this world who desire the power to control the private lives of other people.</p><p>Holding the line against them is a constant struggle and a battle that each person who cherishes their liberty must fight personally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In a democracy , the people get the government they deserve.I do n't blame the apparatchiks in government down under , I blame the citizens who voted them into power and who are standing idly by while their rights are being trampled.There has never been and never will be a shortage of would be tyrants in this world who desire the power to control the private lives of other people.Holding the line against them is a constant struggle and a battle that each person who cherishes their liberty must fight personally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In a democracy, the people get the government they deserve.I don't blame the apparatchiks in government down under, I blame the citizens who voted them into power and who are standing idly by while their rights are being trampled.There has never been and never will be a shortage of would be tyrants in this world who desire the power to control the private lives of other people.Holding the line against them is a constant struggle and a battle that each person who cherishes their liberty must fight personally.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470363</id>
	<title>For the last time...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245960720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I will say this slowly for you politicians. The Internet sees censorship as damage, it will route around you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I will say this slowly for you politicians .
The Internet sees censorship as damage , it will route around you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I will say this slowly for you politicians.
The Internet sees censorship as damage, it will route around you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28475107</id>
	<title>Re:A way to produce more &amp; better AU hackers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245935280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hack our way around it? Oh how it makes me laugh. There's no shortage of services that you pay $5 a month to so you can route your traffic through their infrastructure, a few of us even have our own servers in the US that we tunnel into! Fancy that!</p><p>Clearly though that isn't 21st century enough for you, so sure, lets run with the assumption that we're just hearing about the GUI in Australia...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hack our way around it ?
Oh how it makes me laugh .
There 's no shortage of services that you pay $ 5 a month to so you can route your traffic through their infrastructure , a few of us even have our own servers in the US that we tunnel into !
Fancy that ! Clearly though that is n't 21st century enough for you , so sure , lets run with the assumption that we 're just hearing about the GUI in Australia.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hack our way around it?
Oh how it makes me laugh.
There's no shortage of services that you pay $5 a month to so you can route your traffic through their infrastructure, a few of us even have our own servers in the US that we tunnel into!
Fancy that!Clearly though that isn't 21st century enough for you, so sure, lets run with the assumption that we're just hearing about the GUI in Australia...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28471571</id>
	<title>Flood them.</title>
	<author>Jaysyn</author>
	<datestamp>1245921960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We need to submit to them *every single* game on the internet whether it be OSS, Flash, MMOG, Steam / Impulse, Forum based (MySpace &amp; Facebook games) or play by email.  Everything.  Let them choke on their own stupidity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We need to submit to them * every single * game on the internet whether it be OSS , Flash , MMOG , Steam / Impulse , Forum based ( MySpace &amp; Facebook games ) or play by email .
Everything. Let them choke on their own stupidity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We need to submit to them *every single* game on the internet whether it be OSS, Flash, MMOG, Steam / Impulse, Forum based (MySpace &amp; Facebook games) or play by email.
Everything.  Let them choke on their own stupidity.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28475557</id>
	<title>Re:Can You Hear Me Now?</title>
	<author>dbIII</author>
	<datestamp>1245937800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The internet policy of Australia is effectively - "we don't have one but we're thinking about one that will keep fundamentalists happy".</htmltext>
<tokenext>The internet policy of Australia is effectively - " we do n't have one but we 're thinking about one that will keep fundamentalists happy " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The internet policy of Australia is effectively - "we don't have one but we're thinking about one that will keep fundamentalists happy".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470747</id>
	<title>Now if they</title>
	<author>stillpixel</author>
	<datestamp>1245962460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>could just use this to block Ads!!


No more horribly pixelated girls dancing in repetitive motion with some message about President Obama wanting you to refinance your mortgage!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>could just use this to block Ads ! !
No more horribly pixelated girls dancing in repetitive motion with some message about President Obama wanting you to refinance your mortgage ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>could just use this to block Ads!!
No more horribly pixelated girls dancing in repetitive motion with some message about President Obama wanting you to refinance your mortgage!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28474275</id>
	<title>Amazon pages will have to be blocked</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245932040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Australia's game classification system has no "adult" category, so many games sold without any controls at all elsewhere in the world are flat out banned ("Refused Classification") here.
<p>
So if what Conroy has announced here goes ahead, a whole pile of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Leisure-Suit-Larry-Magna-Version-pc/dp/B00013885K/dannyyeesbook-20" title="amazon.com">product pages at Amazon</a> [amazon.com] (among others) are going to have to go on the blacklist. (Leisure Suit Larry is among the games <a href="http://www.classification.gov.au/www/cob/find.nsf/5b6ebdff7f5b9a24ca2575ca00062226/e817d0677cb62460ca2575a90026e9d5!OpenDocument" title="classification.gov.au">banned in Australia</a> [classification.gov.au].
</p><p>
The problem is that many of the proposed filtering solutions work by routing traffic to IP addresses that host prohibited pages to a proxy server.  As we saw with the Internet Watch/BT/Wikipedia debacle, this approach is likely to cause problems with high traffic sites (and may well overload the proxy server).
</p><p>
Danny.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Australia 's game classification system has no " adult " category , so many games sold without any controls at all elsewhere in the world are flat out banned ( " Refused Classification " ) here .
So if what Conroy has announced here goes ahead , a whole pile of product pages at Amazon [ amazon.com ] ( among others ) are going to have to go on the blacklist .
( Leisure Suit Larry is among the games banned in Australia [ classification.gov.au ] .
The problem is that many of the proposed filtering solutions work by routing traffic to IP addresses that host prohibited pages to a proxy server .
As we saw with the Internet Watch/BT/Wikipedia debacle , this approach is likely to cause problems with high traffic sites ( and may well overload the proxy server ) .
Danny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Australia's game classification system has no "adult" category, so many games sold without any controls at all elsewhere in the world are flat out banned ("Refused Classification") here.
So if what Conroy has announced here goes ahead, a whole pile of product pages at Amazon [amazon.com] (among others) are going to have to go on the blacklist.
(Leisure Suit Larry is among the games banned in Australia [classification.gov.au].
The problem is that many of the proposed filtering solutions work by routing traffic to IP addresses that host prohibited pages to a proxy server.
As we saw with the Internet Watch/BT/Wikipedia debacle, this approach is likely to cause problems with high traffic sites (and may well overload the proxy server).
Danny.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28476703</id>
	<title>Re:Precedent</title>
	<author>Mashiki</author>
	<datestamp>1245945240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Every Canadian has the following fundamental freedoms..."<br>(2)(b)<br>freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication</p><p>Unless:<br>(1)The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.</p><p>So unless the government can prove that such a system is required, within the bounds of a free and democratic society.  It'll never happen.  The Charter of rights and freedoms can not be superseded by any other laws in the country.  Other countries do not have their constitution as the law of the land.  When you don't this type of shit can happen.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Every Canadian has the following fundamental freedoms... " ( 2 ) ( b ) freedom of thought , belief , opinion and expression , including freedom of the press and other media of communicationUnless : ( 1 ) The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.So unless the government can prove that such a system is required , within the bounds of a free and democratic society .
It 'll never happen .
The Charter of rights and freedoms can not be superseded by any other laws in the country .
Other countries do not have their constitution as the law of the land .
When you do n't this type of shit can happen .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Every Canadian has the following fundamental freedoms..."(2)(b)freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communicationUnless:(1)The Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms guarantees the rights and freedoms set out in it subject only to such reasonable limits prescribed by law as can be demonstrably justified in a free and democratic society.So unless the government can prove that such a system is required, within the bounds of a free and democratic society.
It'll never happen.
The Charter of rights and freedoms can not be superseded by any other laws in the country.
Other countries do not have their constitution as the law of the land.
When you don't this type of shit can happen.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28470929</id>
	<title>Great News!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245963120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is great news, if the scope creeps far enough the whole thing will fall to pieces.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is great news , if the scope creeps far enough the whole thing will fall to pieces .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is great news, if the scope creeps far enough the whole thing will fall to pieces.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28471679</id>
	<title>Re:Precedent</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245922320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"If all the other countries were jumping off a bridge, would you jump too?"</p></div><p>They do already, sort of. Look at the DMCA, an idiotic US law that other countries are falling over themselves to implement in a similar vein. It's an anti-consumer law, but who cares about that, it gives media cartels power, and that's more important.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" If all the other countries were jumping off a bridge , would you jump too ?
" They do already , sort of .
Look at the DMCA , an idiotic US law that other countries are falling over themselves to implement in a similar vein .
It 's an anti-consumer law , but who cares about that , it gives media cartels power , and that 's more important .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"If all the other countries were jumping off a bridge, would you jump too?
"They do already, sort of.
Look at the DMCA, an idiotic US law that other countries are falling over themselves to implement in a similar vein.
It's an anti-consumer law, but who cares about that, it gives media cartels power, and that's more important.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_1821235.28472321</id>
	<title>Re:It just makes so much sense</title>
	<author>CrashNBrn</author>
	<datestamp>1245924240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Porn and Sex Toys tends to come in convenient inconspicuous brown paper packaging. <br>
<br>
[Brown Paper DVD-Sized-Box]<br>
<br>
"Microsoft Windows"<br>
<br><nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Of course it might get conspicuous when you order 5 or 10 copies of Windows a year<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Porn and Sex Toys tends to come in convenient inconspicuous brown paper packaging .
[ Brown Paper DVD-Sized-Box ] " Microsoft Windows " ... Of course it might get conspicuous when you order 5 or 10 copies of Windows a year .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Porn and Sex Toys tends to come in convenient inconspicuous brown paper packaging.
[Brown Paper DVD-Sized-Box]

"Microsoft Windows"
 ... Of course it might get conspicuous when you order 5 or 10 copies of Windows a year ...</sentencetext>
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