<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_25_0243221</id>
	<title>Reporters Find US Gov't Data In Ghana Market</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1245931020000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.itworld.com/" rel="nofollow">narramissic</a> writes <i>"'Hundreds and hundreds of documents about government contracts,' were found on a hard drive <a href="http://itworld.com/security/69758/reporters-find-northrop-grumman-data-ghana-market">purchased at a market in Ghana</a> for the bargain basement price of $40, said Peter Klein, an associate professor with the University of British Columbia, who led an investigation into the global electronic waste business for the PBS show Frontline. The hard drive had belonged to US government contractor Northrop Grumman and in a made-for-TV ironic twist, 'some of the documents talked about how to recruit airport screeners and several of them even covered data security practices,' Klein said. 'Here were these contracts being awarded based on their ability to keep the data safe.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>narramissic writes " 'Hundreds and hundreds of documents about government contracts, ' were found on a hard drive purchased at a market in Ghana for the bargain basement price of $ 40 , said Peter Klein , an associate professor with the University of British Columbia , who led an investigation into the global electronic waste business for the PBS show Frontline .
The hard drive had belonged to US government contractor Northrop Grumman and in a made-for-TV ironic twist , 'some of the documents talked about how to recruit airport screeners and several of them even covered data security practices, ' Klein said .
'Here were these contracts being awarded based on their ability to keep the data safe .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>narramissic writes "'Hundreds and hundreds of documents about government contracts,' were found on a hard drive purchased at a market in Ghana for the bargain basement price of $40, said Peter Klein, an associate professor with the University of British Columbia, who led an investigation into the global electronic waste business for the PBS show Frontline.
The hard drive had belonged to US government contractor Northrop Grumman and in a made-for-TV ironic twist, 'some of the documents talked about how to recruit airport screeners and several of them even covered data security practices,' Klein said.
'Here were these contracts being awarded based on their ability to keep the data safe.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465147</id>
	<title>Re:Erasure Device?</title>
	<author>plover</author>
	<datestamp>1245937740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>While destroying the HD physically is a solution, it prevents the drive being reused.</p></div><p>
Destroying the drive physically has a benefit beyond the obvious that the data is rendered unrecoverable.  The more critical benefit is that if you have two crates of disk drives to destroy, you can look at them and know that the crate full of smashed drives is the "done" crate.  That's especially important when you have an unskilled labor pool doing the work.  You post a guy at the door with a clipboard ensuring only smashed drives are allowed to leave the building.  It doesn't take a computer scientist to do that job correctly.
</p><p>
Wiping the drive and selling it has much less benefit than you might think.  The value of the used drive is tiny -- especially since you still have to pay someone to track it through the wiping process, and you have to pay someone to wipe it.  When you finally sell it, you might make a dollar or two at most.
</p><p>
Compared to the cost of the risk of losing data, it's a false economy to think that salvaging drives is a smart choice.  Just the legal costs Northrup Grumman is about to go through over this one far exceeds the amount of money they have now or ever will make selling used drives.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>While destroying the HD physically is a solution , it prevents the drive being reused .
Destroying the drive physically has a benefit beyond the obvious that the data is rendered unrecoverable .
The more critical benefit is that if you have two crates of disk drives to destroy , you can look at them and know that the crate full of smashed drives is the " done " crate .
That 's especially important when you have an unskilled labor pool doing the work .
You post a guy at the door with a clipboard ensuring only smashed drives are allowed to leave the building .
It does n't take a computer scientist to do that job correctly .
Wiping the drive and selling it has much less benefit than you might think .
The value of the used drive is tiny -- especially since you still have to pay someone to track it through the wiping process , and you have to pay someone to wipe it .
When you finally sell it , you might make a dollar or two at most .
Compared to the cost of the risk of losing data , it 's a false economy to think that salvaging drives is a smart choice .
Just the legal costs Northrup Grumman is about to go through over this one far exceeds the amount of money they have now or ever will make selling used drives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While destroying the HD physically is a solution, it prevents the drive being reused.
Destroying the drive physically has a benefit beyond the obvious that the data is rendered unrecoverable.
The more critical benefit is that if you have two crates of disk drives to destroy, you can look at them and know that the crate full of smashed drives is the "done" crate.
That's especially important when you have an unskilled labor pool doing the work.
You post a guy at the door with a clipboard ensuring only smashed drives are allowed to leave the building.
It doesn't take a computer scientist to do that job correctly.
Wiping the drive and selling it has much less benefit than you might think.
The value of the used drive is tiny -- especially since you still have to pay someone to track it through the wiping process, and you have to pay someone to wipe it.
When you finally sell it, you might make a dollar or two at most.
Compared to the cost of the risk of losing data, it's a false economy to think that salvaging drives is a smart choice.
Just the legal costs Northrup Grumman is about to go through over this one far exceeds the amount of money they have now or ever will make selling used drives.

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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465837</id>
	<title>Re:When I dispose of an obsolete drive</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245942120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;thermite, lets see them get data out of a pile of slag</p><p>time machine, let's see how smug you are then!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; thermite , lets see them get data out of a pile of slagtime machine , let 's see how smug you are then !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;thermite, lets see them get data out of a pile of slagtime machine, let's see how smug you are then!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465123</id>
	<title>Re:Erasure Device?</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1245937680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I suspect that there are dedicated devices; but I'd be shocked if they are any cheaper or much simpler than a basic x86 with some easily accessible drive bays and a copy of DBAN.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I suspect that there are dedicated devices ; but I 'd be shocked if they are any cheaper or much simpler than a basic x86 with some easily accessible drive bays and a copy of DBAN .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suspect that there are dedicated devices; but I'd be shocked if they are any cheaper or much simpler than a basic x86 with some easily accessible drive bays and a copy of DBAN.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464875</id>
	<title>Still?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245935580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>From the article:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The drive had belonged to a Fairfax, Virginia, employee who still works for the company...</p></div><p>But for how much longer?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the article : The drive had belonged to a Fairfax , Virginia , employee who still works for the company...But for how much longer ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the article:The drive had belonged to a Fairfax, Virginia, employee who still works for the company...But for how much longer?
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465295</id>
	<title>Re:Erasure Device?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245938880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>man shred</p><p>http://www.oreillynet.com/sysadmin/blog/2005/03/please\_for\_the\_love\_of\_all\_tha.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>man shredhttp : //www.oreillynet.com/sysadmin/blog/2005/03/please \ _for \ _the \ _love \ _of \ _all \ _tha.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>man shredhttp://www.oreillynet.com/sysadmin/blog/2005/03/please\_for\_the\_love\_of\_all\_tha.html</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28466209</id>
	<title>Re:When I dispose of an obsolete drive</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1245943920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sounds like a lot of effort.<br> <br>Find a local building work and give him &#194;&pound;20 to put it on top of the next thing he attacks with a kango.<br> <br>JD.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sounds like a lot of effort .
Find a local building work and give him     20 to put it on top of the next thing he attacks with a kango .
JD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sounds like a lot of effort.
Find a local building work and give him Â£20 to put it on top of the next thing he attacks with a kango.
JD.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465485</id>
	<title>I guess, that this is the openness of gov, that ..</title>
	<author>WindBourne</author>
	<datestamp>1245940080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>pubs and dems speak of. Problem is that we have to go countries like Chana, Russia, China, Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea to get it. Hopefully, Obama realizes that Security MUST change. We need to worry more about other nations and the companies that we employ, and less about spying on our citizens.</htmltext>
<tokenext>pubs and dems speak of .
Problem is that we have to go countries like Chana , Russia , China , Venezuela , Iran , and North Korea to get it .
Hopefully , Obama realizes that Security MUST change .
We need to worry more about other nations and the companies that we employ , and less about spying on our citizens .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>pubs and dems speak of.
Problem is that we have to go countries like Chana, Russia, China, Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea to get it.
Hopefully, Obama realizes that Security MUST change.
We need to worry more about other nations and the companies that we employ, and less about spying on our citizens.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28479523</id>
	<title>Re:When I dispose of an obsolete drive</title>
	<author>uncqual</author>
	<datestamp>1246013340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>One word: Thermite
<br> <br>
(and, it's more fun in addition to being quick, easy, and quite convincing - although it can call attention to you if you live in an apartment or townhouse!)</htmltext>
<tokenext>One word : Thermite ( and , it 's more fun in addition to being quick , easy , and quite convincing - although it can call attention to you if you live in an apartment or townhouse !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One word: Thermite
 
(and, it's more fun in addition to being quick, easy, and quite convincing - although it can call attention to you if you live in an apartment or townhouse!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464921</id>
	<title>Re:Umm.. that's not how it works</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1245935940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it's asking a bit much of the US taxpayer that he should be required to go to a local market in Ghana to buy the info. It should be provided by the government.</p><p>Besides, this is a company providing the info. I'm not really much into socializing everything, but dammit, there are some things that belong into government hands!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's asking a bit much of the US taxpayer that he should be required to go to a local market in Ghana to buy the info .
It should be provided by the government.Besides , this is a company providing the info .
I 'm not really much into socializing everything , but dammit , there are some things that belong into government hands !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's asking a bit much of the US taxpayer that he should be required to go to a local market in Ghana to buy the info.
It should be provided by the government.Besides, this is a company providing the info.
I'm not really much into socializing everything, but dammit, there are some things that belong into government hands!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28466773</id>
	<title>Watch the incredible Frontline/World report</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245946800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a shame that the original <a href="http://www.pbs.org/frontlineworld/stories/ghana804/" title="pbs.org" rel="nofollow">Frontline/World video report</a> [pbs.org] wasn't linked to -- it's an incredible and horrifying expose on the worldwide problems of e-waste disposal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a shame that the original Frontline/World video report [ pbs.org ] was n't linked to -- it 's an incredible and horrifying expose on the worldwide problems of e-waste disposal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a shame that the original Frontline/World video report [pbs.org] wasn't linked to -- it's an incredible and horrifying expose on the worldwide problems of e-waste disposal.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464861</id>
	<title>I guess filesystem FAT32 or NTFS *g*</title>
	<author>kubitus</author>
	<datestamp>1245935340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>managers give presentations designed to fascinate preschoolers and top-decisison maker alike<p>

and not think of real consequences.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>managers give presentations designed to fascinate preschoolers and top-decisison maker alike and not think of real consequences .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>managers give presentations designed to fascinate preschoolers and top-decisison maker alike

and not think of real consequences.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465615</id>
	<title>Re:Contracts</title>
	<author>geobeck</author>
	<datestamp>1245940740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>They should lose their contracts for failing to wipe the data off the hard drives.</p></div></blockquote><p>What's so ridiculous is how easy it is to destroy data without investing in ultra-super-duper-mil-spec data destruction software.  When I destroyed hard drives for my old company, I'd pull out the drive, take it down to the shop floor, and watch as one of our fabricators put a 1/2-inch hole through the platters with a drill press.  It's theoretically possible that an expert who really, really wanted our data could have read something from the partial platters, but I guarantee that none of our drives ever showed up in use anywhere else.</p><p>And with the old IBM death stars, pretty much any possibility of data recovery was eliminated when those glass platters shattered inside the case as the drill went through.</p><p>Of course, this technique requires you to have a drill press or a good, sturdy hand drill somewhere on your site, but I think Northrop Grumman could afford one of those.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They should lose their contracts for failing to wipe the data off the hard drives.What 's so ridiculous is how easy it is to destroy data without investing in ultra-super-duper-mil-spec data destruction software .
When I destroyed hard drives for my old company , I 'd pull out the drive , take it down to the shop floor , and watch as one of our fabricators put a 1/2-inch hole through the platters with a drill press .
It 's theoretically possible that an expert who really , really wanted our data could have read something from the partial platters , but I guarantee that none of our drives ever showed up in use anywhere else.And with the old IBM death stars , pretty much any possibility of data recovery was eliminated when those glass platters shattered inside the case as the drill went through.Of course , this technique requires you to have a drill press or a good , sturdy hand drill somewhere on your site , but I think Northrop Grumman could afford one of those .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should lose their contracts for failing to wipe the data off the hard drives.What's so ridiculous is how easy it is to destroy data without investing in ultra-super-duper-mil-spec data destruction software.
When I destroyed hard drives for my old company, I'd pull out the drive, take it down to the shop floor, and watch as one of our fabricators put a 1/2-inch hole through the platters with a drill press.
It's theoretically possible that an expert who really, really wanted our data could have read something from the partial platters, but I guarantee that none of our drives ever showed up in use anywhere else.And with the old IBM death stars, pretty much any possibility of data recovery was eliminated when those glass platters shattered inside the case as the drill went through.Of course, this technique requires you to have a drill press or a good, sturdy hand drill somewhere on your site, but I think Northrop Grumman could afford one of those.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465203</id>
	<title>Re:Erasure Device?</title>
	<author>cbiltcliffe</author>
	<datestamp>1245938100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd think anything that specialized would be so low volume as to be as expensive as a PC, even though it's much simpler.</p><p>My suggestion:<br>Next time you or a friend upgrades their computer, or you find one on the side of the road (maybe with data on it..), or whatever, grab it.<br>Pull all the nonessential parts - HD, vid card if it's got onboard or you have a low power junker sitting around - so it uses less power.  Cut a hole in the side of the case, and run a PATA and SATA cable, and appropriate power cables out the hole.  Or just run it with the cover off.  It's not like it'll run often....<br>Have a CD drive in it with a copy of DBAN in the drive.<br>Plug in a drive, hit the power switch, and walk away.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd think anything that specialized would be so low volume as to be as expensive as a PC , even though it 's much simpler.My suggestion : Next time you or a friend upgrades their computer , or you find one on the side of the road ( maybe with data on it.. ) , or whatever , grab it.Pull all the nonessential parts - HD , vid card if it 's got onboard or you have a low power junker sitting around - so it uses less power .
Cut a hole in the side of the case , and run a PATA and SATA cable , and appropriate power cables out the hole .
Or just run it with the cover off .
It 's not like it 'll run often....Have a CD drive in it with a copy of DBAN in the drive.Plug in a drive , hit the power switch , and walk away .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd think anything that specialized would be so low volume as to be as expensive as a PC, even though it's much simpler.My suggestion:Next time you or a friend upgrades their computer, or you find one on the side of the road (maybe with data on it..), or whatever, grab it.Pull all the nonessential parts - HD, vid card if it's got onboard or you have a low power junker sitting around - so it uses less power.
Cut a hole in the side of the case, and run a PATA and SATA cable, and appropriate power cables out the hole.
Or just run it with the cover off.
It's not like it'll run often....Have a CD drive in it with a copy of DBAN in the drive.Plug in a drive, hit the power switch, and walk away.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28467115</id>
	<title>Re: Hoff!</title>
	<author>TaoPhoenix</author>
	<datestamp>1245948540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Hoff was right this time though. He TOLD us that the data is "Looking For Freedom."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Hoff was right this time though .
He TOLD us that the data is " Looking For Freedom .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Hoff was right this time though.
He TOLD us that the data is "Looking For Freedom.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465143</id>
	<title>Re:When I dispose of an obsolete drive</title>
	<author>Patrik\_AKA\_RedX</author>
	<datestamp>1245937740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>My methode is much better. I install windows on it, have internet explorer start automaticly and open Slashdot. By the time they're done, the data is way to old to be of any relevance.<br>
The rest of the drive I fill up with the combine works of David Hasselhof. Cruel, but effective.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My methode is much better .
I install windows on it , have internet explorer start automaticly and open Slashdot .
By the time they 're done , the data is way to old to be of any relevance .
The rest of the drive I fill up with the combine works of David Hasselhof .
Cruel , but effective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My methode is much better.
I install windows on it, have internet explorer start automaticly and open Slashdot.
By the time they're done, the data is way to old to be of any relevance.
The rest of the drive I fill up with the combine works of David Hasselhof.
Cruel, but effective.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464849</id>
	<title>When I dispose of an obsolete drive</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245935280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I disassemble it, remove the platters, mount each one in a vise and bend it by striking it with a hammer.</p><p>If they can get data off that platter, they're welcome to it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I disassemble it , remove the platters , mount each one in a vise and bend it by striking it with a hammer.If they can get data off that platter , they 're welcome to it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I disassemble it, remove the platters, mount each one in a vise and bend it by striking it with a hammer.If they can get data off that platter, they're welcome to it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28479147</id>
	<title>Re:What a news scoop....*yawn*</title>
	<author>wujing</author>
	<datestamp>1246009440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.watches-space.com/Gucci-Watches.html" title="watches-space.com" rel="nofollow">Gucci Watches</a> [watches-space.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Gucci Watches [ watches-space.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Gucci Watches [watches-space.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28466047</id>
	<title>This isn't a big surprise...</title>
	<author>monktus</author>
	<datestamp>1245943020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A friend of mine lived in Ghana for a while and got fed up with being constantly haranged by market traders so he told one of them that there was something he could do with - a monkey head. Sure enough, the trader offered him one for about $90. My friend baulked at the amount, saying he could buy a live monkey for far less and remove the head himself. He was of course then offered a whole monkey at a bargain price.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A friend of mine lived in Ghana for a while and got fed up with being constantly haranged by market traders so he told one of them that there was something he could do with - a monkey head .
Sure enough , the trader offered him one for about $ 90 .
My friend baulked at the amount , saying he could buy a live monkey for far less and remove the head himself .
He was of course then offered a whole monkey at a bargain price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A friend of mine lived in Ghana for a while and got fed up with being constantly haranged by market traders so he told one of them that there was something he could do with - a monkey head.
Sure enough, the trader offered him one for about $90.
My friend baulked at the amount, saying he could buy a live monkey for far less and remove the head himself.
He was of course then offered a whole monkey at a bargain price.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28468295</id>
	<title>ACTA...</title>
	<author>anonieuweling</author>
	<datestamp>1245952980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All that is (in fact...) coming from the government that wants to force ACTA onto the world.<br>
<a href="http://www.eff.org/press/archiveso/2009/05/06" title="eff.org">http://www.eff.org/press/archiveso/2009/05/06</a> [eff.org] <br>
<br>
Yes, the military-industrial complex owns the government.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All that is ( in fact... ) coming from the government that wants to force ACTA onto the world .
http : //www.eff.org/press/archiveso/2009/05/06 [ eff.org ] Yes , the military-industrial complex owns the government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All that is (in fact...) coming from the government that wants to force ACTA onto the world.
http://www.eff.org/press/archiveso/2009/05/06 [eff.org] 

Yes, the military-industrial complex owns the government.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464817</id>
	<title>Contracts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245934980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>They should lose their contracts for failing to wipe the data off the hard drives.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They should lose their contracts for failing to wipe the data off the hard drives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should lose their contracts for failing to wipe the data off the hard drives.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465333</id>
	<title>Re:Bargain basement???</title>
	<author>StormReaver</author>
	<datestamp>1245939120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the "bargain basement" reference was to the value of the information contained on the hard drive, not the hardware itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the " bargain basement " reference was to the value of the information contained on the hard drive , not the hardware itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the "bargain basement" reference was to the value of the information contained on the hard drive, not the hardware itself.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464887</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28468365</id>
	<title>Actually, No</title>
	<author>chrizlax</author>
	<datestamp>1245953280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What the GP appears to be refering to is an ATA password. This does not encrypt any data on the disk, but it does lock the drive, and store a hash of the password on the disk itself. Replacing the circuit board will not fix this, as the new circuit board will detect the password, and keep the drive locked.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What the GP appears to be refering to is an ATA password .
This does not encrypt any data on the disk , but it does lock the drive , and store a hash of the password on the disk itself .
Replacing the circuit board will not fix this , as the new circuit board will detect the password , and keep the drive locked .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What the GP appears to be refering to is an ATA password.
This does not encrypt any data on the disk, but it does lock the drive, and store a hash of the password on the disk itself.
Replacing the circuit board will not fix this, as the new circuit board will detect the password, and keep the drive locked.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465611</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28468565</id>
	<title>Re:When I dispose of an obsolete drive</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245954000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>My methode is much better...</p></div></blockquote><p>Is that like a diode, but made of meth?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My methode is much better...Is that like a diode , but made of meth ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My methode is much better...Is that like a diode, but made of meth?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465143</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465211</id>
	<title>me smell's B.S</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245938160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>not that this does'nt happen, i just find the story unlikely , reporters go to a random market in a random country and find this disk. more likely they had the disk beforehand and just made up the market bit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>not that this does'nt happen , i just find the story unlikely , reporters go to a random market in a random country and find this disk .
more likely they had the disk beforehand and just made up the market bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>not that this does'nt happen, i just find the story unlikely , reporters go to a random market in a random country and find this disk.
more likely they had the disk beforehand and just made up the market bit.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465049</id>
	<title>Encryption</title>
	<author>sleekware</author>
	<datestamp>1245937200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Perhaps they should start full-disk encrypting their hard drives.  Being a government contractor, especially a government contractor that deals with security, encryption as a requirement is not a bad idea.

Of course the disk still should be properly wiped before being disposed of.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Perhaps they should start full-disk encrypting their hard drives .
Being a government contractor , especially a government contractor that deals with security , encryption as a requirement is not a bad idea .
Of course the disk still should be properly wiped before being disposed of .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Perhaps they should start full-disk encrypting their hard drives.
Being a government contractor, especially a government contractor that deals with security, encryption as a requirement is not a bad idea.
Of course the disk still should be properly wiped before being disposed of.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465417</id>
	<title>Re:Bargain basement???</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1245939720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>A used 300GB Ultra320?  I'd pay $40 if it worked at sale.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A used 300GB Ultra320 ?
I 'd pay $ 40 if it worked at sale .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A used 300GB Ultra320?
I'd pay $40 if it worked at sale.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464887</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464867</id>
	<title>Umm.. that's not how it works</title>
	<author>QuantumG</author>
	<datestamp>1245935460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a long standing complaint that governments keep information about contracts secret for the benefit of the contractors.  Now you're complaining that a contractor didn't keep information about their contracts adequately secured?  Are you stupid or something?  The US taxpayers have a right to know the details of these contracts.. but they are denied that by commercial confidentiality concerns.  If you want to cry a river for someone, think about the shareholders, but don't go blathering on about "secret government contracts" because they simply shouldn't exist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a long standing complaint that governments keep information about contracts secret for the benefit of the contractors .
Now you 're complaining that a contractor did n't keep information about their contracts adequately secured ?
Are you stupid or something ?
The US taxpayers have a right to know the details of these contracts.. but they are denied that by commercial confidentiality concerns .
If you want to cry a river for someone , think about the shareholders , but do n't go blathering on about " secret government contracts " because they simply should n't exist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a long standing complaint that governments keep information about contracts secret for the benefit of the contractors.
Now you're complaining that a contractor didn't keep information about their contracts adequately secured?
Are you stupid or something?
The US taxpayers have a right to know the details of these contracts.. but they are denied that by commercial confidentiality concerns.
If you want to cry a river for someone, think about the shareholders, but don't go blathering on about "secret government contracts" because they simply shouldn't exist.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28466397</id>
	<title>Re:Contracts</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245944880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On the DOE side of things, hard drives don't get wiped, they <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd\_O7-rqcHc" title="youtube.com">get shredded</a> [youtube.com]. Have purchased a surplus computer that had been DOE owned and it had hard drive, optical drive, ram and video card pulled.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On the DOE side of things , hard drives do n't get wiped , they get shredded [ youtube.com ] .
Have purchased a surplus computer that had been DOE owned and it had hard drive , optical drive , ram and video card pulled .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On the DOE side of things, hard drives don't get wiped, they get shredded [youtube.com].
Have purchased a surplus computer that had been DOE owned and it had hard drive, optical drive, ram and video card pulled.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464817</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464801</id>
	<title>What a news scoop....*yawn*</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245934800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yet another example of some bonehead "disposing" of old equipment without wiping the data first.  Time to start cranking out those Pulitzer prizes.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yet another example of some bonehead " disposing " of old equipment without wiping the data first .
Time to start cranking out those Pulitzer prizes .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yet another example of some bonehead "disposing" of old equipment without wiping the data first.
Time to start cranking out those Pulitzer prizes.
;)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28466563</id>
	<title>Re:Erasure Device?</title>
	<author>Dare nMc</author>
	<datestamp>1245945660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I doubt a magnet would be a reliable solution.</p></div><p>I tested the magnet approach with a old laptop drive, it is not a effective method.<br>IE I got too of the best magnets I could find, 100# vertical hold stacked them on top of the drive, and booted the laptop.  it booted, then started making scratching noises (apparently either the write head, or the disks were deflected by the force enough to rub)  The drive did quickly become un-useable.  2 days later, still un-useable.  2 weeks later, the drive was 100\% fine, whatever was magnetized/bent from the exposure recovered and the drive works 100\%, very little data loss.</p><p>Basically a mostly static magnentic force has no effect on the data on the platters,  the force of the magnets is bad (like dropping the drive)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt a magnet would be a reliable solution.I tested the magnet approach with a old laptop drive , it is not a effective method.IE I got too of the best magnets I could find , 100 # vertical hold stacked them on top of the drive , and booted the laptop .
it booted , then started making scratching noises ( apparently either the write head , or the disks were deflected by the force enough to rub ) The drive did quickly become un-useable .
2 days later , still un-useable .
2 weeks later , the drive was 100 \ % fine , whatever was magnetized/bent from the exposure recovered and the drive works 100 \ % , very little data loss.Basically a mostly static magnentic force has no effect on the data on the platters , the force of the magnets is bad ( like dropping the drive )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt a magnet would be a reliable solution.I tested the magnet approach with a old laptop drive, it is not a effective method.IE I got too of the best magnets I could find, 100# vertical hold stacked them on top of the drive, and booted the laptop.
it booted, then started making scratching noises (apparently either the write head, or the disks were deflected by the force enough to rub)  The drive did quickly become un-useable.
2 days later, still un-useable.
2 weeks later, the drive was 100\% fine, whatever was magnetized/bent from the exposure recovered and the drive works 100\%, very little data loss.Basically a mostly static magnentic force has no effect on the data on the platters,  the force of the magnets is bad (like dropping the drive)
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465017</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465943</id>
	<title>Re:Erasure Device?</title>
	<author>stickmaster\_flex</author>
	<datestamp>1245942540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda</htmltext>
<tokenext>dd if = /dev/urandom of = /dev/sda</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465017</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28466675</id>
	<title>Re:Bargain basement???</title>
	<author>drinkypoo</author>
	<datestamp>1245946260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>$40 for a used hard drive of unknown provenance seems pretty high, unless you are talking about a considerably cooler than ordinary drive.</p></div><p>I paid $125 for my external hard drive, and that is STILL a good price (this was a year ago, on deep discount at costco)</p><p>$40 might be a fantastic price, especially in Ghana.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 40 for a used hard drive of unknown provenance seems pretty high , unless you are talking about a considerably cooler than ordinary drive.I paid $ 125 for my external hard drive , and that is STILL a good price ( this was a year ago , on deep discount at costco ) $ 40 might be a fantastic price , especially in Ghana .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$40 for a used hard drive of unknown provenance seems pretty high, unless you are talking about a considerably cooler than ordinary drive.I paid $125 for my external hard drive, and that is STILL a good price (this was a year ago, on deep discount at costco)$40 might be a fantastic price, especially in Ghana.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464887</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465183</id>
	<title>Since when was data totally secure?</title>
	<author>Bob\_Who</author>
	<datestamp>1245937980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The only secure information is never written down or told to other people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only secure information is never written down or told to other people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only secure information is never written down or told to other people.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465611</id>
	<title>Re:Yea</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245940740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Couldn't you just replace the circuit board with an identical one?  Tada, data.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could n't you just replace the circuit board with an identical one ?
Tada , data .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Couldn't you just replace the circuit board with an identical one?
Tada, data.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464841</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465625</id>
	<title>Re:When I dispose of an obsolete drive</title>
	<author>cenc</author>
	<datestamp>1245940860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a fast and simple solution. I take my trusty drill and run the bit through the platter at least once to several times depending on the importance of the drive.  Yea, someone could in theory super reconstruct the data, but not without spending hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars more than the data was worth. For that kind of money, I would just give them the data. It is a simple, cheap, quick solution that in all but the most sensitive situations would be sufficient to keep the data from being recovered in 99.9\% of all cases.</p><p>The thing people forget in all their bs about "just overwrite it with 0 and 1" is that hard drives are often being discarded because they have mechanical problems. The platter is likly still in good shape, just something else has failed that stops it from being mountable. My solution fixes both.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a fast and simple solution .
I take my trusty drill and run the bit through the platter at least once to several times depending on the importance of the drive .
Yea , someone could in theory super reconstruct the data , but not without spending hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars more than the data was worth .
For that kind of money , I would just give them the data .
It is a simple , cheap , quick solution that in all but the most sensitive situations would be sufficient to keep the data from being recovered in 99.9 \ % of all cases.The thing people forget in all their bs about " just overwrite it with 0 and 1 " is that hard drives are often being discarded because they have mechanical problems .
The platter is likly still in good shape , just something else has failed that stops it from being mountable .
My solution fixes both .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a fast and simple solution.
I take my trusty drill and run the bit through the platter at least once to several times depending on the importance of the drive.
Yea, someone could in theory super reconstruct the data, but not without spending hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars more than the data was worth.
For that kind of money, I would just give them the data.
It is a simple, cheap, quick solution that in all but the most sensitive situations would be sufficient to keep the data from being recovered in 99.9\% of all cases.The thing people forget in all their bs about "just overwrite it with 0 and 1" is that hard drives are often being discarded because they have mechanical problems.
The platter is likly still in good shape, just something else has failed that stops it from being mountable.
My solution fixes both.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464849</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28466241</id>
	<title>They should implement...</title>
	<author>hesaigo999ca</author>
	<datestamp>1245944040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They should implement a stronger punishment and reward scheme for this.Award a major amount of money for drives that are not wiped clean...this will lead you to the person who did the damage. So you pay to find out who, then that person in turn owes you back for the money you spent...so 1 or 2 cases like these will be enough to send a clear picture to the rest of them...its easy enough to use a data wiping software...turning all bits into zeros. Seriously...get educated if you handle getting rid of hardware that belonged to a company with sensitive materials!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They should implement a stronger punishment and reward scheme for this.Award a major amount of money for drives that are not wiped clean...this will lead you to the person who did the damage .
So you pay to find out who , then that person in turn owes you back for the money you spent...so 1 or 2 cases like these will be enough to send a clear picture to the rest of them...its easy enough to use a data wiping software...turning all bits into zeros .
Seriously...get educated if you handle getting rid of hardware that belonged to a company with sensitive materials !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They should implement a stronger punishment and reward scheme for this.Award a major amount of money for drives that are not wiped clean...this will lead you to the person who did the damage.
So you pay to find out who, then that person in turn owes you back for the money you spent...so 1 or 2 cases like these will be enough to send a clear picture to the rest of them...its easy enough to use a data wiping software...turning all bits into zeros.
Seriously...get educated if you handle getting rid of hardware that belonged to a company with sensitive materials!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465017</id>
	<title>Erasure Device?</title>
	<author>Midnight Thunder</author>
	<datestamp>1245936960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Does anyone know if there are any stand alone devices designed to erase the data on a hard drive? I am thinking something you plug in and it then goes about erasing all the data (I am thinking simpler and cheaper than a PC). I doubt a magnet would be a reliable solution. While destroying the HD physically is a solution, it prevents the drive being reused.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Does anyone know if there are any stand alone devices designed to erase the data on a hard drive ?
I am thinking something you plug in and it then goes about erasing all the data ( I am thinking simpler and cheaper than a PC ) .
I doubt a magnet would be a reliable solution .
While destroying the HD physically is a solution , it prevents the drive being reused .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone know if there are any stand alone devices designed to erase the data on a hard drive?
I am thinking something you plug in and it then goes about erasing all the data (I am thinking simpler and cheaper than a PC).
I doubt a magnet would be a reliable solution.
While destroying the HD physically is a solution, it prevents the drive being reused.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28475597</id>
	<title>Drive disposal</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245938040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The best way to dispose of a hard drive is to open it up to get the platters, blast them with a blowtorch until they become brittle, smash them to tiny bits/powder with a hammer then scatter the tiny bits into the ocean.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best way to dispose of a hard drive is to open it up to get the platters , blast them with a blowtorch until they become brittle , smash them to tiny bits/powder with a hammer then scatter the tiny bits into the ocean .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best way to dispose of a hard drive is to open it up to get the platters, blast them with a blowtorch until they become brittle, smash them to tiny bits/powder with a hammer then scatter the tiny bits into the ocean.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465353</id>
	<title>Re:When I dispose of an obsolete drive</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1245939240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I hope you don't do this with glass platters.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I hope you do n't do this with glass platters .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I hope you don't do this with glass platters.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464849</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28480265</id>
	<title>Re:Umm.. that's not how it works</title>
	<author>metaforest</author>
	<datestamp>1246022400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>wow it came from a 5 digit ID it must be gospel....</p><p>ffft</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>wow it came from a 5 digit ID it must be gospel....ffft</tokentext>
<sentencetext>wow it came from a 5 digit ID it must be gospel....ffft</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464859</id>
	<title>They found...</title>
	<author>iamapizza</author>
	<datestamp>1245935340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>some of the documents talked about how to recruit airport screeners</p></div><p>It contained a link to monster.com?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>some of the documents talked about how to recruit airport screenersIt contained a link to monster.com ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>some of the documents talked about how to recruit airport screenersIt contained a link to monster.com?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465319</id>
	<title>Re:Erasure Device?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245939000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I work at an IT department for a University. We use an electromagnet to destroy data on our drives. Just plug it in and swipe it back and forth on top of the drive for 20 seconds or so guarantees the drive is unreadable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I work at an IT department for a University .
We use an electromagnet to destroy data on our drives .
Just plug it in and swipe it back and forth on top of the drive for 20 seconds or so guarantees the drive is unreadable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I work at an IT department for a University.
We use an electromagnet to destroy data on our drives.
Just plug it in and swipe it back and forth on top of the drive for 20 seconds or so guarantees the drive is unreadable.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465017</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465109</id>
	<title>Re:Bargain basement???</title>
	<author>adosch</author>
	<datestamp>1245937560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>$40 seems steep, but the size of the hard drive wasn't even list ITFA, and there was definite intent and motive to go find some secret government/contractor data on a piece of computer hardware, too, by the journalists themselves.  So it's evident price or need of a hard drive wasn't an issue.  With dumpster diving and shady data mining practices that have been at least publicly practiced over the last decade quite over announced, have people not learned to wipe the data on their storage devices?  I pitty the "outside" company who is suppose to be in charge of doing that (or so NG claims).

At work, it's kind of a break from the pace to sit down with a bunch of servers, and let DOI standard wipe policy chug away.  It's not like you have to constantly monitor it; should be one of the easiest things do to on the side.</htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 40 seems steep , but the size of the hard drive was n't even list ITFA , and there was definite intent and motive to go find some secret government/contractor data on a piece of computer hardware , too , by the journalists themselves .
So it 's evident price or need of a hard drive was n't an issue .
With dumpster diving and shady data mining practices that have been at least publicly practiced over the last decade quite over announced , have people not learned to wipe the data on their storage devices ?
I pitty the " outside " company who is suppose to be in charge of doing that ( or so NG claims ) .
At work , it 's kind of a break from the pace to sit down with a bunch of servers , and let DOI standard wipe policy chug away .
It 's not like you have to constantly monitor it ; should be one of the easiest things do to on the side .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$40 seems steep, but the size of the hard drive wasn't even list ITFA, and there was definite intent and motive to go find some secret government/contractor data on a piece of computer hardware, too, by the journalists themselves.
So it's evident price or need of a hard drive wasn't an issue.
With dumpster diving and shady data mining practices that have been at least publicly practiced over the last decade quite over announced, have people not learned to wipe the data on their storage devices?
I pitty the "outside" company who is suppose to be in charge of doing that (or so NG claims).
At work, it's kind of a break from the pace to sit down with a bunch of servers, and let DOI standard wipe policy chug away.
It's not like you have to constantly monitor it; should be one of the easiest things do to on the side.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464841</id>
	<title>Yea</title>
	<author>liquidpele</author>
	<datestamp>1245935160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>This doesn't surprise me at all.  However, I'm surprised those idiots don't use a damn password protected lock on the hard drive firmware... my lenovo has this and we are required to use it, so even if it gets stolen the person can't get the disk to spin up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This does n't surprise me at all .
However , I 'm surprised those idiots do n't use a damn password protected lock on the hard drive firmware... my lenovo has this and we are required to use it , so even if it gets stolen the person ca n't get the disk to spin up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This doesn't surprise me at all.
However, I'm surprised those idiots don't use a damn password protected lock on the hard drive firmware... my lenovo has this and we are required to use it, so even if it gets stolen the person can't get the disk to spin up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465195</id>
	<title>Re:Bargain basement???</title>
	<author>dnwq</author>
	<datestamp>1245938100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's reasonable to assume that electronics may be more expensive in Ghana, so a used HDD may be worth more.

But, yes, foreigners haggling probably can't get a good price anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's reasonable to assume that electronics may be more expensive in Ghana , so a used HDD may be worth more .
But , yes , foreigners haggling probably ca n't get a good price anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's reasonable to assume that electronics may be more expensive in Ghana, so a used HDD may be worth more.
But, yes, foreigners haggling probably can't get a good price anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464887</id>
	<title>Bargain basement???</title>
	<author>fuzzyfuzzyfungus</author>
	<datestamp>1245935640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>$40 for a used hard drive of unknown provenance seems pretty high, unless you are talking about a considerably cooler than ordinary drive. Methinks that those journalists were haggling about as effectively as someone with an expense account for the story might be expected to.</htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 40 for a used hard drive of unknown provenance seems pretty high , unless you are talking about a considerably cooler than ordinary drive .
Methinks that those journalists were haggling about as effectively as someone with an expense account for the story might be expected to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$40 for a used hard drive of unknown provenance seems pretty high, unless you are talking about a considerably cooler than ordinary drive.
Methinks that those journalists were haggling about as effectively as someone with an expense account for the story might be expected to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28466317</id>
	<title>V.I. Lenin said it best</title>
	<author>Torodung</author>
	<datestamp>1245944460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"<i>The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.</i>" -V.I. Lenin</p><p>Let's prove him <b>wrong</b>, eh?</p><p>--<br>Toro</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them .
" -V.I .
LeninLet 's prove him wrong , eh ? --Toro</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.
" -V.I.
LeninLet's prove him wrong, eh?--Toro</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465759</id>
	<title>Re:Erasure Device?</title>
	<author>pedestrian crossing</author>
	<datestamp>1245941640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <a href="http://www.ics-iq.com/" title="ics-iq.com">This</a> [ics-iq.com] company sells a thing called the "Wipemasster" for mass wiping of up to 9 hard drives at a time.</p><p>Simpler than a PC, definitely.  Cheaper?  Not really at $2500...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This [ ics-iq.com ] company sells a thing called the " Wipemasster " for mass wiping of up to 9 hard drives at a time.Simpler than a PC , definitely .
Cheaper ? Not really at $ 2500.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> This [ics-iq.com] company sells a thing called the "Wipemasster" for mass wiping of up to 9 hard drives at a time.Simpler than a PC, definitely.
Cheaper?  Not really at $2500...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465459</id>
	<title>Re:Erasure Device?</title>
	<author>kubitus</author>
	<datestamp>1245940020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>erase3 and erase55<p>
Floppy disk Linux distro deleting all HD in its reach by writing all 0's then all 1's then random patterns.</p><p>
takes a while but no need to watch it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>erase3 and erase55 Floppy disk Linux distro deleting all HD in its reach by writing all 0 's then all 1 's then random patterns .
takes a while but no need to watch it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>erase3 and erase55
Floppy disk Linux distro deleting all HD in its reach by writing all 0's then all 1's then random patterns.
takes a while but no need to watch it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28466357</id>
	<title>Re:Umm.. that's not how it works</title>
	<author>STSvatos</author>
	<datestamp>1245944700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The issue is not whether they should exist or not, the issue is this information most likely contains sensitive information relating to national security.

"Some of the documents talked about how to recruit airport screeners and several of them even covered data security practices"

This information could be used to "get a foot in the door" or allow someone to figure out a way around NG's data security.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The issue is not whether they should exist or not , the issue is this information most likely contains sensitive information relating to national security .
" Some of the documents talked about how to recruit airport screeners and several of them even covered data security practices " This information could be used to " get a foot in the door " or allow someone to figure out a way around NG 's data security .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The issue is not whether they should exist or not, the issue is this information most likely contains sensitive information relating to national security.
"Some of the documents talked about how to recruit airport screeners and several of them even covered data security practices"

This information could be used to "get a foot in the door" or allow someone to figure out a way around NG's data security.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464867</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465221</id>
	<title>Name of outsourced company?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245938280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's the $64,000 question - what was the name of the data destruction company that obviously failed to perform to the contract specifications?  Everyone here needs to know that.</p><p>Northrop-Grumman almost certainly outsources this part of their IT. They may outsource other parts. I worked at a competing company that placed a bid on a NASA IT desktop management contract. N-G won it because they were the low bidding submission. Many of the people that already had the contract just changed badges from X to N-G and took a 15\% pay cut. Nice.  I was just on the proposal team.</p><p>Proprietary documents don't usually get treated like SECRET documents because there isn't jail time if the contract isn't followed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's the $ 64,000 question - what was the name of the data destruction company that obviously failed to perform to the contract specifications ?
Everyone here needs to know that.Northrop-Grumman almost certainly outsources this part of their IT .
They may outsource other parts .
I worked at a competing company that placed a bid on a NASA IT desktop management contract .
N-G won it because they were the low bidding submission .
Many of the people that already had the contract just changed badges from X to N-G and took a 15 \ % pay cut .
Nice. I was just on the proposal team.Proprietary documents do n't usually get treated like SECRET documents because there is n't jail time if the contract is n't followed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's the $64,000 question - what was the name of the data destruction company that obviously failed to perform to the contract specifications?
Everyone here needs to know that.Northrop-Grumman almost certainly outsources this part of their IT.
They may outsource other parts.
I worked at a competing company that placed a bid on a NASA IT desktop management contract.
N-G won it because they were the low bidding submission.
Many of the people that already had the contract just changed badges from X to N-G and took a 15\% pay cut.
Nice.  I was just on the proposal team.Proprietary documents don't usually get treated like SECRET documents because there isn't jail time if the contract isn't followed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28467037</id>
	<title>The NSA should just buy all the drives on eBay!</title>
	<author>whoever57</author>
	<datestamp>1245948180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Instead of using illegal wiretaps, the NSA should just buy every drive that is sold on eBay. Just think of the information they could mine out of them!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Instead of using illegal wiretaps , the NSA should just buy every drive that is sold on eBay .
Just think of the information they could mine out of them !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Instead of using illegal wiretaps, the NSA should just buy every drive that is sold on eBay.
Just think of the information they could mine out of them!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464801</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465239</id>
	<title>Re:Erasure Device?</title>
	<author>jps25</author>
	<datestamp>1245938400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DBAN <a href="http://dban.sourceforge.net/" title="sourceforge.net">http://dban.sourceforge.net/</a> [sourceforge.net]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DBAN http : //dban.sourceforge.net/ [ sourceforge.net ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DBAN http://dban.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28467437</id>
	<title>Terrorism prevention is always going to be....</title>
	<author>i\_want\_you\_to\_throw\_</author>
	<datestamp>1245949860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>a defensive exercise. It doesn't matter what you do possibilities like this are always going to happen.
There are always going to be lapses or loopholes and when they happen it's always going to be "OH-MY-GOD-I-CANT-BELIEVE-THIS-IS-POSSIBLE" and then there's some outrage and then either behavior continues or some other "OH-MY-GOD-I-CANT-BELIEVE-THIS-IS-POSSIBLE" thing happens.
<br> <br>
It does bring up the point that you shouldn't count on contractors like Lockheed, Northrop, etc to keep us safe, they'll only do what's cheapest.
<br> <br>
At the federal agency I work with we physically destroy the hard disks we excess.
<br> <br>
Although I can see if some contractor just deleted data and then let the drives out that inevitably some news outlet would discover that Disk Doctor actually exists and then<nobr> <wbr></nobr>....<br>
yet again...<br>
another..<br>
"OH-MY-GOD-I-CANT-BELIEVE-THIS-IS-POSSIBLE"</htmltext>
<tokenext>a defensive exercise .
It does n't matter what you do possibilities like this are always going to happen .
There are always going to be lapses or loopholes and when they happen it 's always going to be " OH-MY-GOD-I-CANT-BELIEVE-THIS-IS-POSSIBLE " and then there 's some outrage and then either behavior continues or some other " OH-MY-GOD-I-CANT-BELIEVE-THIS-IS-POSSIBLE " thing happens .
It does bring up the point that you should n't count on contractors like Lockheed , Northrop , etc to keep us safe , they 'll only do what 's cheapest .
At the federal agency I work with we physically destroy the hard disks we excess .
Although I can see if some contractor just deleted data and then let the drives out that inevitably some news outlet would discover that Disk Doctor actually exists and then ... . yet again.. . another. . " OH-MY-GOD-I-CANT-BELIEVE-THIS-IS-POSSIBLE "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>a defensive exercise.
It doesn't matter what you do possibilities like this are always going to happen.
There are always going to be lapses or loopholes and when they happen it's always going to be "OH-MY-GOD-I-CANT-BELIEVE-THIS-IS-POSSIBLE" and then there's some outrage and then either behavior continues or some other "OH-MY-GOD-I-CANT-BELIEVE-THIS-IS-POSSIBLE" thing happens.
It does bring up the point that you shouldn't count on contractors like Lockheed, Northrop, etc to keep us safe, they'll only do what's cheapest.
At the federal agency I work with we physically destroy the hard disks we excess.
Although I can see if some contractor just deleted data and then let the drives out that inevitably some news outlet would discover that Disk Doctor actually exists and then ....
yet again...
another..
"OH-MY-GOD-I-CANT-BELIEVE-THIS-IS-POSSIBLE"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464853</id>
	<title>Brilliant!</title>
	<author>siddesu</author>
	<datestamp>1245935280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'Here were these contracts being awarded based on their ability to keep the data safe.'"</p><p>Diversion wrapped in a diversion cloaked in a diversion. I bet the spies who read the contracts went out of their ways to break the procedures outlined in them, wasting precious time and resources instead of just getting em on the cheap in Africa.  Where is your Isser Dzerzhinsky now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'Here were these contracts being awarded based on their ability to keep the data safe .
' " Diversion wrapped in a diversion cloaked in a diversion .
I bet the spies who read the contracts went out of their ways to break the procedures outlined in them , wasting precious time and resources instead of just getting em on the cheap in Africa .
Where is your Isser Dzerzhinsky now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Here were these contracts being awarded based on their ability to keep the data safe.
'"Diversion wrapped in a diversion cloaked in a diversion.
I bet the spies who read the contracts went out of their ways to break the procedures outlined in them, wasting precious time and resources instead of just getting em on the cheap in Africa.
Where is your Isser Dzerzhinsky now?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28471343</id>
	<title>Re:Geez. No excuse. EABOD.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245921240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you're working there you want EBAN not DBAN for records sake.</p><p>Though i'd think they would be using hd destroying machines.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're working there you want EBAN not DBAN for records sake.Though i 'd think they would be using hd destroying machines .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're working there you want EBAN not DBAN for records sake.Though i'd think they would be using hd destroying machines.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465127</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464989</id>
	<title>Re:When I dispose of an obsolete drive</title>
	<author>FudRucker</author>
	<datestamp>1245936780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>thermite, lets see them get data out of a pile of slag</htmltext>
<tokenext>thermite , lets see them get data out of a pile of slag</tokentext>
<sentencetext>thermite, lets see them get data out of a pile of slag</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28465127</id>
	<title>Geez.  No excuse. EABOD.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245937680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How tough is it DBAN (Darik's Boot And Nuke) a PC before sending it to the disposal company?</p><p>This employee should be forced to EABOD (Erase A Bunch Of Disks).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How tough is it DBAN ( Darik 's Boot And Nuke ) a PC before sending it to the disposal company ? This employee should be forced to EABOD ( Erase A Bunch Of Disks ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How tough is it DBAN (Darik's Boot And Nuke) a PC before sending it to the disposal company?This employee should be forced to EABOD (Erase A Bunch Of Disks).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28470021</id>
	<title>Re:What a news scoop....*yawn*</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245959400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is why I never sell used hard drives if they had sensitive data on them, they just get smashed , blown up,  or burnt its more fun that way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why I never sell used hard drives if they had sensitive data on them , they just get smashed , blown up , or burnt its more fun that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why I never sell used hard drives if they had sensitive data on them, they just get smashed , blown up,  or burnt its more fun that way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28464801</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_25_0243221.28472353</id>
	<title>Re:me smell's B.S</title>
	<author>codegen</author>
	<datestamp>1245924300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The link given in the summary is a horrible article. IT was actually Canadian Journalism students, and they were working on a story about ewaste. It wasn't just some random country, they were following leads from North america. Better links are at
<a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/25/e-waste/" title="theregister.co.uk">the register</a> [theregister.co.uk] and at the <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2009/06/23/tech-e-waste-ghana-data-british-columbia-journalism-students.html" title="www.cbc.ca">CBC</a> [www.cbc.ca].</htmltext>
<tokenext>The link given in the summary is a horrible article .
IT was actually Canadian Journalism students , and they were working on a story about ewaste .
It was n't just some random country , they were following leads from North america .
Better links are at the register [ theregister.co.uk ] and at the CBC [ www.cbc.ca ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The link given in the summary is a horrible article.
IT was actually Canadian Journalism students, and they were working on a story about ewaste.
It wasn't just some random country, they were following leads from North america.
Better links are at
the register [theregister.co.uk] and at the CBC [www.cbc.ca].</sentencetext>
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	<title>Right in your garage (was:Erasure Device?)</title>
	<author>Lead Butthead</author>
	<datestamp>1245948120000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Does anyone know if there are any stand alone devices designed to erase the data on a hard drive? I am thinking something you plug in and it then goes about erasing all the data (I am thinking simpler and cheaper than a PC).</p></div> </blockquote><p>It's call a power drill. Just fit it with a metal cutting drill bit and you're ready.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Does anyone know if there are any stand alone devices designed to erase the data on a hard drive ?
I am thinking something you plug in and it then goes about erasing all the data ( I am thinking simpler and cheaper than a PC ) .
It 's call a power drill .
Just fit it with a metal cutting drill bit and you 're ready .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Does anyone know if there are any stand alone devices designed to erase the data on a hard drive?
I am thinking something you plug in and it then goes about erasing all the data (I am thinking simpler and cheaper than a PC).
It's call a power drill.
Just fit it with a metal cutting drill bit and you're ready.
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