<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_24_1647251</id>
	<title>Rapidshare Ordered To Filter Content</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1245863460000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>A Cow writes <i>"TorrentFreak reports that the Regional Court in Hamburg, Germany, has ruled that file-hosting service <a href="http://torrentfreak.com/court-orders-rapidshare-to-proactively-filter-content-090624/">Rapidshare must proactively filter certain content</a>. Music industry outfit GEMA asked the court to ban Rapidshare from making 5,000 tracks from its catalogue available on the Internet."</i>
Reader biabia brings an update to <a href="//yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/07/1925218&amp;tid=123">a related case in Italy</a> involving four Google executives. The issue in that situation revolves around Google's response time in taking down a video that was deemed to be a privacy violation. Google is worried that a verdict against them could lead to mandatory pre-screening of all public videos that are uploaded onto their websites. Those proceedings have now been <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gtjC2\_LrovYuX8LbvBRoMfM-B4BgD990GFPO5">postponed until late September</a>.<br>
<b>Update: 6/24 at 17:45 GMT</b> by <b>SS</b>: The article originally reported that Rapidshare was fined $34 million. No such fine has been imposed &mdash; $34 million was the estimated value of the tracks hosted on Rapidshare.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A Cow writes " TorrentFreak reports that the Regional Court in Hamburg , Germany , has ruled that file-hosting service Rapidshare must proactively filter certain content .
Music industry outfit GEMA asked the court to ban Rapidshare from making 5,000 tracks from its catalogue available on the Internet .
" Reader biabia brings an update to a related case in Italy involving four Google executives .
The issue in that situation revolves around Google 's response time in taking down a video that was deemed to be a privacy violation .
Google is worried that a verdict against them could lead to mandatory pre-screening of all public videos that are uploaded onto their websites .
Those proceedings have now been postponed until late September .
Update : 6/24 at 17 : 45 GMT by SS : The article originally reported that Rapidshare was fined $ 34 million .
No such fine has been imposed    $ 34 million was the estimated value of the tracks hosted on Rapidshare .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A Cow writes "TorrentFreak reports that the Regional Court in Hamburg, Germany, has ruled that file-hosting service Rapidshare must proactively filter certain content.
Music industry outfit GEMA asked the court to ban Rapidshare from making 5,000 tracks from its catalogue available on the Internet.
"
Reader biabia brings an update to a related case in Italy involving four Google executives.
The issue in that situation revolves around Google's response time in taking down a video that was deemed to be a privacy violation.
Google is worried that a verdict against them could lead to mandatory pre-screening of all public videos that are uploaded onto their websites.
Those proceedings have now been postponed until late September.
Update: 6/24 at 17:45 GMT by SS: The article originally reported that Rapidshare was fined $34 million.
No such fine has been imposed — $34 million was the estimated value of the tracks hosted on Rapidshare.</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28459205</id>
	<title>Re:But How?</title>
	<author>phantomcircuit</author>
	<datestamp>1245839760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a very interesting problem.  There is basically no way for copyright holders to find content being shared illegally on RS unless they find a link somewhere to the file.</p><p>RS has no index, so how are copyright holders supposed to notify them of copyrighted material?</p><p>This is slightly unrelated but there is an awfully large amount of child pornography on RapidShare.  I was a moderator at an image board website with a porn board and every single day there would be multiple posts linking to child pornography on RapidShare. I reported all of the links but I have no idea if they were actually taken down.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a very interesting problem .
There is basically no way for copyright holders to find content being shared illegally on RS unless they find a link somewhere to the file.RS has no index , so how are copyright holders supposed to notify them of copyrighted material ? This is slightly unrelated but there is an awfully large amount of child pornography on RapidShare .
I was a moderator at an image board website with a porn board and every single day there would be multiple posts linking to child pornography on RapidShare .
I reported all of the links but I have no idea if they were actually taken down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a very interesting problem.
There is basically no way for copyright holders to find content being shared illegally on RS unless they find a link somewhere to the file.RS has no index, so how are copyright holders supposed to notify them of copyrighted material?This is slightly unrelated but there is an awfully large amount of child pornography on RapidShare.
I was a moderator at an image board website with a porn board and every single day there would be multiple posts linking to child pornography on RapidShare.
I reported all of the links but I have no idea if they were actually taken down.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28454987</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28463873</id>
	<title>Re:But How?</title>
	<author>cliffski</author>
	<datestamp>1245920700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The solution is preventing anonymous uploads. You need a paid account , say $1 a year to upload. That way if you upload copyrighted stuff, you are traceable and thus you would be mad to do so.<br>If you really need to share top secret whistle-blower stuff, you use tor.</p><p>BTW, you say hosting the stuff is their job, not policing it. That is true. However if your business is knowingly and overwhelmingly being used by the same people to break the same laws, you should co-operate with the police. If you ran a self-storage warehouse and it was obvious 90\% of the people using it were storing stolen goods, you can bet your ass the police would demand your co-operation tot rack down who was depositing stuff.</p><p>As it should be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The solution is preventing anonymous uploads .
You need a paid account , say $ 1 a year to upload .
That way if you upload copyrighted stuff , you are traceable and thus you would be mad to do so.If you really need to share top secret whistle-blower stuff , you use tor.BTW , you say hosting the stuff is their job , not policing it .
That is true .
However if your business is knowingly and overwhelmingly being used by the same people to break the same laws , you should co-operate with the police .
If you ran a self-storage warehouse and it was obvious 90 \ % of the people using it were storing stolen goods , you can bet your ass the police would demand your co-operation tot rack down who was depositing stuff.As it should be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The solution is preventing anonymous uploads.
You need a paid account , say $1 a year to upload.
That way if you upload copyrighted stuff, you are traceable and thus you would be mad to do so.If you really need to share top secret whistle-blower stuff, you use tor.BTW, you say hosting the stuff is their job, not policing it.
That is true.
However if your business is knowingly and overwhelmingly being used by the same people to break the same laws, you should co-operate with the police.
If you ran a self-storage warehouse and it was obvious 90\% of the people using it were storing stolen goods, you can bet your ass the police would demand your co-operation tot rack down who was depositing stuff.As it should be.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28454987</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28455617</id>
	<title>Re:Serves them right.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245869640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not sure if you're trolling or not, but you realize that when a site like RapidShare goes down, it's users will just move to another hosting-service and "abuse" that one, right? It's not RapidShare's fault, they aren't uploading any material. They can't prevent any illegal material from being uploaded, so they really have no fault in this matter.</p><p>For every HTTP-based upload service you take down, you'll get ten in return. You can't prevent this from happening.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure if you 're trolling or not , but you realize that when a site like RapidShare goes down , it 's users will just move to another hosting-service and " abuse " that one , right ?
It 's not RapidShare 's fault , they are n't uploading any material .
They ca n't prevent any illegal material from being uploaded , so they really have no fault in this matter.For every HTTP-based upload service you take down , you 'll get ten in return .
You ca n't prevent this from happening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure if you're trolling or not, but you realize that when a site like RapidShare goes down, it's users will just move to another hosting-service and "abuse" that one, right?
It's not RapidShare's fault, they aren't uploading any material.
They can't prevent any illegal material from being uploaded, so they really have no fault in this matter.For every HTTP-based upload service you take down, you'll get ten in return.
You can't prevent this from happening.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28455261</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28454999</id>
	<title>Finally</title>
	<author>mister\_playboy</author>
	<datestamp>1245867780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Indeed!  The torrent sites have been getting all the flak, but direct download sites seem like the low hanging fruit to go after.</p><p>The only reason to pay for their services is to access copyrighted material... that seems like monetizing copyright infringement to me.</p><p>I'd like to see Google get caught up in this, because they have more than enough money to defend themselves.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed !
The torrent sites have been getting all the flak , but direct download sites seem like the low hanging fruit to go after.The only reason to pay for their services is to access copyrighted material... that seems like monetizing copyright infringement to me.I 'd like to see Google get caught up in this , because they have more than enough money to defend themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Indeed!
The torrent sites have been getting all the flak, but direct download sites seem like the low hanging fruit to go after.The only reason to pay for their services is to access copyrighted material... that seems like monetizing copyright infringement to me.I'd like to see Google get caught up in this, because they have more than enough money to defend themselves.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28454917</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28461579</id>
	<title>Justifying piracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245854040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fellow pirates,</p><p>I implore you to continue your campaign on Slashdot to make me feel less guilty. I know that not paying someone for their work is wrong, but if Slashdot posts enough articles bashing the RIAA/MPAA/copyright law/whatever, it's easier for me to accept what I'm doing emotionally by visualizing someone else as the bad guy. Once on the forefront of relevant IT news, Slashdot is now a lame repository of mainstream pseudoscience links and pro-piracy articles to appease a dwindling readership. I am overjoyed.</p><p>Even though the open source community is about giving back as much as it is taking, I'm just going to take. I'm a human leech with self-serving beliefs and an inability to empathize with content creators who are trying to make a living.</p><p>I don't believe John Carmack should be paid for his work. I'm going to sit on my ass while he spends years coding the next advanced 3D engine from id Software. When their game comes out, I'm going to pirate it without giving a second thought about paying John Carmack for his work. I'm just so used to pirating things now that I take it for granted. If anyone mentions John Carmack to make me feel guilty, I'll look for Slashdot articles that bolster my viewpoint, such as this one, amusingly posted in the Your Rights Online section even though none of my rights are being violated.</p><p>According to that study, it's okay to not pay people for their work because there's some vague hope that they'll make up the difference in income through "concerts and speaking tours." Artists are now forced to take time out of doing what they want to do. John Carmack must stop programming in order to make money from programming. It's genius. The study does exactly what I need it to--make me feel less guilty when I pirate. We've managed to stretch the truth so far that we're actually telling ourselves that we're helping artists by not paying them for their work. Excellent job.</p><p>I look forward to Slashdot telling me everyday who the bad guys are. Even though Slashdot has sued websites in the past for copyright infringement, and they've pretended to care about plagiarism, we're supposed to go along with Slashdot's anti-copyright agenda. I'm okay with that hypocrisy because it serves me. It makes me feel less guilty when I pirate something. Remember, I'm not the bad guy--the RIAA/MPAA/whatever is. That makes it okay for me to not pay people for their work.</p><p>EULAs and copyright licenses are wrong, yet the GPL is good. Piracy isn't theft, yet GPL violations are referred to as "stolen GPL code." I accept all of these double-standards because it serves me. I pretend not to notice when someone points out that the GPL relies on copyright law, and if I want to get rid of copyright, my beloved open source code will no longer be protected by the GPL. I don't care, because I'm too busy concerning myself with what I want for free, not about the consequences. I want to get rid of copyrights because I've been told that copyrights are the bad guy, and they are an obstacle to my rampant piracy.</p><p>Fellow pirates, let us continue our selfish leeching. Let us paint others as the bad guys to absolve us of our emotional guilt. Our goal is to convince people that piracy is something the good guys are doing in a fight with the evil corporations. Making money is wrong, even though Slashdot displays ads, and it cost me money to buy the computer I'm using to pirate stuff.</p><p>Yours truly,<br>A fellow Slashbot</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fellow pirates,I implore you to continue your campaign on Slashdot to make me feel less guilty .
I know that not paying someone for their work is wrong , but if Slashdot posts enough articles bashing the RIAA/MPAA/copyright law/whatever , it 's easier for me to accept what I 'm doing emotionally by visualizing someone else as the bad guy .
Once on the forefront of relevant IT news , Slashdot is now a lame repository of mainstream pseudoscience links and pro-piracy articles to appease a dwindling readership .
I am overjoyed.Even though the open source community is about giving back as much as it is taking , I 'm just going to take .
I 'm a human leech with self-serving beliefs and an inability to empathize with content creators who are trying to make a living.I do n't believe John Carmack should be paid for his work .
I 'm going to sit on my ass while he spends years coding the next advanced 3D engine from id Software .
When their game comes out , I 'm going to pirate it without giving a second thought about paying John Carmack for his work .
I 'm just so used to pirating things now that I take it for granted .
If anyone mentions John Carmack to make me feel guilty , I 'll look for Slashdot articles that bolster my viewpoint , such as this one , amusingly posted in the Your Rights Online section even though none of my rights are being violated.According to that study , it 's okay to not pay people for their work because there 's some vague hope that they 'll make up the difference in income through " concerts and speaking tours .
" Artists are now forced to take time out of doing what they want to do .
John Carmack must stop programming in order to make money from programming .
It 's genius .
The study does exactly what I need it to--make me feel less guilty when I pirate .
We 've managed to stretch the truth so far that we 're actually telling ourselves that we 're helping artists by not paying them for their work .
Excellent job.I look forward to Slashdot telling me everyday who the bad guys are .
Even though Slashdot has sued websites in the past for copyright infringement , and they 've pretended to care about plagiarism , we 're supposed to go along with Slashdot 's anti-copyright agenda .
I 'm okay with that hypocrisy because it serves me .
It makes me feel less guilty when I pirate something .
Remember , I 'm not the bad guy--the RIAA/MPAA/whatever is .
That makes it okay for me to not pay people for their work.EULAs and copyright licenses are wrong , yet the GPL is good .
Piracy is n't theft , yet GPL violations are referred to as " stolen GPL code .
" I accept all of these double-standards because it serves me .
I pretend not to notice when someone points out that the GPL relies on copyright law , and if I want to get rid of copyright , my beloved open source code will no longer be protected by the GPL .
I do n't care , because I 'm too busy concerning myself with what I want for free , not about the consequences .
I want to get rid of copyrights because I 've been told that copyrights are the bad guy , and they are an obstacle to my rampant piracy.Fellow pirates , let us continue our selfish leeching .
Let us paint others as the bad guys to absolve us of our emotional guilt .
Our goal is to convince people that piracy is something the good guys are doing in a fight with the evil corporations .
Making money is wrong , even though Slashdot displays ads , and it cost me money to buy the computer I 'm using to pirate stuff.Yours truly,A fellow Slashbot</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fellow pirates,I implore you to continue your campaign on Slashdot to make me feel less guilty.
I know that not paying someone for their work is wrong, but if Slashdot posts enough articles bashing the RIAA/MPAA/copyright law/whatever, it's easier for me to accept what I'm doing emotionally by visualizing someone else as the bad guy.
Once on the forefront of relevant IT news, Slashdot is now a lame repository of mainstream pseudoscience links and pro-piracy articles to appease a dwindling readership.
I am overjoyed.Even though the open source community is about giving back as much as it is taking, I'm just going to take.
I'm a human leech with self-serving beliefs and an inability to empathize with content creators who are trying to make a living.I don't believe John Carmack should be paid for his work.
I'm going to sit on my ass while he spends years coding the next advanced 3D engine from id Software.
When their game comes out, I'm going to pirate it without giving a second thought about paying John Carmack for his work.
I'm just so used to pirating things now that I take it for granted.
If anyone mentions John Carmack to make me feel guilty, I'll look for Slashdot articles that bolster my viewpoint, such as this one, amusingly posted in the Your Rights Online section even though none of my rights are being violated.According to that study, it's okay to not pay people for their work because there's some vague hope that they'll make up the difference in income through "concerts and speaking tours.
" Artists are now forced to take time out of doing what they want to do.
John Carmack must stop programming in order to make money from programming.
It's genius.
The study does exactly what I need it to--make me feel less guilty when I pirate.
We've managed to stretch the truth so far that we're actually telling ourselves that we're helping artists by not paying them for their work.
Excellent job.I look forward to Slashdot telling me everyday who the bad guys are.
Even though Slashdot has sued websites in the past for copyright infringement, and they've pretended to care about plagiarism, we're supposed to go along with Slashdot's anti-copyright agenda.
I'm okay with that hypocrisy because it serves me.
It makes me feel less guilty when I pirate something.
Remember, I'm not the bad guy--the RIAA/MPAA/whatever is.
That makes it okay for me to not pay people for their work.EULAs and copyright licenses are wrong, yet the GPL is good.
Piracy isn't theft, yet GPL violations are referred to as "stolen GPL code.
" I accept all of these double-standards because it serves me.
I pretend not to notice when someone points out that the GPL relies on copyright law, and if I want to get rid of copyright, my beloved open source code will no longer be protected by the GPL.
I don't care, because I'm too busy concerning myself with what I want for free, not about the consequences.
I want to get rid of copyrights because I've been told that copyrights are the bad guy, and they are an obstacle to my rampant piracy.Fellow pirates, let us continue our selfish leeching.
Let us paint others as the bad guys to absolve us of our emotional guilt.
Our goal is to convince people that piracy is something the good guys are doing in a fight with the evil corporations.
Making money is wrong, even though Slashdot displays ads, and it cost me money to buy the computer I'm using to pirate stuff.Yours truly,A fellow Slashbot</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28456801</id>
	<title>thank god</title>
	<author>Darth</author>
	<datestamp>1245874080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Music industry outfit GEMA asked the court to ban Rapidshare from making 5,000 tracks from its catalogue available on the Internet.</i></p><p>thank god....when i read the headline i was afraid this might affect my ability to download porn.</p><p>on a more serious note, can we please get a court to force restaurants to stop playing '80s music as well?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Music industry outfit GEMA asked the court to ban Rapidshare from making 5,000 tracks from its catalogue available on the Internet.thank god....when i read the headline i was afraid this might affect my ability to download porn.on a more serious note , can we please get a court to force restaurants to stop playing '80s music as well ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Music industry outfit GEMA asked the court to ban Rapidshare from making 5,000 tracks from its catalogue available on the Internet.thank god....when i read the headline i was afraid this might affect my ability to download porn.on a more serious note, can we please get a court to force restaurants to stop playing '80s music as well?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28459919</id>
	<title>4chan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245843300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why isn't this tagged 4chan?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is n't this tagged 4chan ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why isn't this tagged 4chan?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28459481</id>
	<title>Re:*sigh*</title>
	<author>Dan541</author>
	<datestamp>1245841020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How long until they damand Jungle Disk be filtered?</p><p>They'll try no doubt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How long until they damand Jungle Disk be filtered ? They 'll try no doubt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How long until they damand Jungle Disk be filtered?They'll try no doubt.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28454895</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28457527</id>
	<title>Re:So it's about censorship, is it?</title>
	<author>steelcaress</author>
	<datestamp>1245876960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't care if it was positively stone-age.  It was the fastest thing I'd used in forever.  All of those other systems you mentioned ran slowly or not at all on my rigs.  If I paid a pittance I could download scads of stuff, with no waiting.  It didn't matter what my router was set to, how many seeds or peers there were, or whether I was sharing, or even what client I was using.  Unlike the darknets (like DirectConnect) there was no idiot moderator who banned you if he didn't like you or didn't understand what he saw in your files.  It's not the tech that's important here -- something can be the coolest thing in the world, but if it doesn't work it is useless to me.  Rapidshare, Megaupload, etc work, and work well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't care if it was positively stone-age .
It was the fastest thing I 'd used in forever .
All of those other systems you mentioned ran slowly or not at all on my rigs .
If I paid a pittance I could download scads of stuff , with no waiting .
It did n't matter what my router was set to , how many seeds or peers there were , or whether I was sharing , or even what client I was using .
Unlike the darknets ( like DirectConnect ) there was no idiot moderator who banned you if he did n't like you or did n't understand what he saw in your files .
It 's not the tech that 's important here -- something can be the coolest thing in the world , but if it does n't work it is useless to me .
Rapidshare , Megaupload , etc work , and work well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't care if it was positively stone-age.
It was the fastest thing I'd used in forever.
All of those other systems you mentioned ran slowly or not at all on my rigs.
If I paid a pittance I could download scads of stuff, with no waiting.
It didn't matter what my router was set to, how many seeds or peers there were, or whether I was sharing, or even what client I was using.
Unlike the darknets (like DirectConnect) there was no idiot moderator who banned you if he didn't like you or didn't understand what he saw in your files.
It's not the tech that's important here -- something can be the coolest thing in the world, but if it doesn't work it is useless to me.
Rapidshare, Megaupload, etc work, and work well.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28476945</id>
	<title>Re:Surprised</title>
	<author>skeeto</author>
	<datestamp>1245947280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I <i>do</i> have the right to copy whatever published data I want. You have it backwards in that no one has the right to stop me.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do have the right to copy whatever published data I want .
You have it backwards in that no one has the right to stop me .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do have the right to copy whatever published data I want.
You have it backwards in that no one has the right to stop me.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28457091</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28455741</id>
	<title>Just a thought...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245870000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's a new and innovative idea:  Why don't you actually pay for the copyrighted material that you wish to use instead of worrying about how you'll skirt the copyright laws.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's a new and innovative idea : Why do n't you actually pay for the copyrighted material that you wish to use instead of worrying about how you 'll skirt the copyright laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's a new and innovative idea:  Why don't you actually pay for the copyrighted material that you wish to use instead of worrying about how you'll skirt the copyright laws.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28455363</id>
	<title>Pointless....</title>
	<author>psycho12345</author>
	<datestamp>1245868860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1) Encrypt content in whatever manner seems suitable (TrueCrypt, password protect RAR, etc.)<br>2) Link to second download on same site, with textfile containing password.<br>3) ???<br>4) Profit!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) Encrypt content in whatever manner seems suitable ( TrueCrypt , password protect RAR , etc .
) 2 ) Link to second download on same site , with textfile containing password.3 ) ? ?
? 4 ) Profit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) Encrypt content in whatever manner seems suitable (TrueCrypt, password protect RAR, etc.
)2) Link to second download on same site, with textfile containing password.3) ??
?4) Profit!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28455033</id>
	<title>Re:Surprised</title>
	<author>bertoelcon</author>
	<datestamp>1245867900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It should be just a matter of months before shit hits the fan with all the other ones.</p></div><p>Good luck finding a way to stop all those file hosting sites, its getting to be a large business and would most likely just get more small setups if the "big" ones where taken down.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It should be just a matter of months before shit hits the fan with all the other ones.Good luck finding a way to stop all those file hosting sites , its getting to be a large business and would most likely just get more small setups if the " big " ones where taken down .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It should be just a matter of months before shit hits the fan with all the other ones.Good luck finding a way to stop all those file hosting sites, its getting to be a large business and would most likely just get more small setups if the "big" ones where taken down.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28454917</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28454913</id>
	<title>Imbeciles!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245867480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Judges really have no clue of how internet hosting works, do they?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Judges really have no clue of how internet hosting works , do they ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Judges really have no clue of how internet hosting works, do they?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28459279</id>
	<title>Re:So it's about censorship, is it?</title>
	<author>Grishnakh</author>
	<datestamp>1245840120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sorry, but when you change your metric to performance, then RapidShare beats just about all of those.  A single, fast server generally gives you much better download speeds than any P2P application.  The only exception is BitTorrent, IFF you're downloading something that's extremely popular (meaning it's also very new).  P2P applications like eDonkey and the like generally have horrid performance, because you're fighting for bandwidth from some guy who's sharing something over his slow cable-modem connection with even slower upload speed.  Add to this the performance of the P2P application itself; talking to all those different peers at once puts a sizeable load on your system.</p><p>There's a reason they call it "RapidShare".</p><p>Of course, if your metric is indexability/searchability, then I think eDonkey &amp; Co. lead the way here (Napster used to, but they're defunct now), since you can do string searches for whatever interests you.  You can't do that with RapidShare, since everything is in password-protected RAR files with names bearing little similarity to the contents, and you can't do as easily it with BitTorrent since you have to go to a search site like MiniNova.</p><p>And if your metric is finding obscure files, then eDonkey is definitely the winner here, because it's easy for a user to share entire, giant directories full of tens of thousands of files.  You can't do that in BitTorrent, where you're expected to create a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.torrent file for every single file you want to share, and upload this to a tracker site.  What a PITA.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry , but when you change your metric to performance , then RapidShare beats just about all of those .
A single , fast server generally gives you much better download speeds than any P2P application .
The only exception is BitTorrent , IFF you 're downloading something that 's extremely popular ( meaning it 's also very new ) .
P2P applications like eDonkey and the like generally have horrid performance , because you 're fighting for bandwidth from some guy who 's sharing something over his slow cable-modem connection with even slower upload speed .
Add to this the performance of the P2P application itself ; talking to all those different peers at once puts a sizeable load on your system.There 's a reason they call it " RapidShare " .Of course , if your metric is indexability/searchability , then I think eDonkey &amp; Co. lead the way here ( Napster used to , but they 're defunct now ) , since you can do string searches for whatever interests you .
You ca n't do that with RapidShare , since everything is in password-protected RAR files with names bearing little similarity to the contents , and you ca n't do as easily it with BitTorrent since you have to go to a search site like MiniNova.And if your metric is finding obscure files , then eDonkey is definitely the winner here , because it 's easy for a user to share entire , giant directories full of tens of thousands of files .
You ca n't do that in BitTorrent , where you 're expected to create a .torrent file for every single file you want to share , and upload this to a tracker site .
What a PITA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry, but when you change your metric to performance, then RapidShare beats just about all of those.
A single, fast server generally gives you much better download speeds than any P2P application.
The only exception is BitTorrent, IFF you're downloading something that's extremely popular (meaning it's also very new).
P2P applications like eDonkey and the like generally have horrid performance, because you're fighting for bandwidth from some guy who's sharing something over his slow cable-modem connection with even slower upload speed.
Add to this the performance of the P2P application itself; talking to all those different peers at once puts a sizeable load on your system.There's a reason they call it "RapidShare".Of course, if your metric is indexability/searchability, then I think eDonkey &amp; Co. lead the way here (Napster used to, but they're defunct now), since you can do string searches for whatever interests you.
You can't do that with RapidShare, since everything is in password-protected RAR files with names bearing little similarity to the contents, and you can't do as easily it with BitTorrent since you have to go to a search site like MiniNova.And if your metric is finding obscure files, then eDonkey is definitely the winner here, because it's easy for a user to share entire, giant directories full of tens of thousands of files.
You can't do that in BitTorrent, where you're expected to create a .torrent file for every single file you want to share, and upload this to a tracker site.
What a PITA.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28455563</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28460391</id>
	<title>I'm thinking they aren't... thinking</title>
	<author>suitepotato</author>
	<datestamp>1245845640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So they've got a technology to scan inside RAR files with obfuscated names now? If they start putting password lock so you have to have the password to even see the archive content what then? These courts really don't bother consulting actual Internet people, just some lawyer doing intern clerk duty on the way to their own judicial posting who happened to use the Internet a few times to try to score on craigslist. Oh well, good luck enforcing it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So they 've got a technology to scan inside RAR files with obfuscated names now ?
If they start putting password lock so you have to have the password to even see the archive content what then ?
These courts really do n't bother consulting actual Internet people , just some lawyer doing intern clerk duty on the way to their own judicial posting who happened to use the Internet a few times to try to score on craigslist .
Oh well , good luck enforcing it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So they've got a technology to scan inside RAR files with obfuscated names now?
If they start putting password lock so you have to have the password to even see the archive content what then?
These courts really don't bother consulting actual Internet people, just some lawyer doing intern clerk duty on the way to their own judicial posting who happened to use the Internet a few times to try to score on craigslist.
Oh well, good luck enforcing it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28455629</id>
	<title>end of an era</title>
	<author>parallel\_prankster</author>
	<datestamp>1245869700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have used rapidshare quite a bit. I liked it because most of the stuff on there was clean. It was easy to download. There is actually a website rapidlibrary or something that you can use to search for stuff on rapidshare and you will not believe the kind of stuff thats on there and by that I mean everything you can think of, someone has uploaded it on rapidshare, especially ebooks, music and movies.
I guess this means an end to the free downloading era for me. I am little skeptical about getting stuff off from torrents because of the viruses/malware either on the torrent files or on the sites that hosts these torrents.
Anyway, I also know of other sites that will popup, however, usually such sites have lots of annoying flash/porn ads on it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have used rapidshare quite a bit .
I liked it because most of the stuff on there was clean .
It was easy to download .
There is actually a website rapidlibrary or something that you can use to search for stuff on rapidshare and you will not believe the kind of stuff thats on there and by that I mean everything you can think of , someone has uploaded it on rapidshare , especially ebooks , music and movies .
I guess this means an end to the free downloading era for me .
I am little skeptical about getting stuff off from torrents because of the viruses/malware either on the torrent files or on the sites that hosts these torrents .
Anyway , I also know of other sites that will popup , however , usually such sites have lots of annoying flash/porn ads on it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have used rapidshare quite a bit.
I liked it because most of the stuff on there was clean.
It was easy to download.
There is actually a website rapidlibrary or something that you can use to search for stuff on rapidshare and you will not believe the kind of stuff thats on there and by that I mean everything you can think of, someone has uploaded it on rapidshare, especially ebooks, music and movies.
I guess this means an end to the free downloading era for me.
I am little skeptical about getting stuff off from torrents because of the viruses/malware either on the torrent files or on the sites that hosts these torrents.
Anyway, I also know of other sites that will popup, however, usually such sites have lots of annoying flash/porn ads on it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28455061</id>
	<title>of course</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245867960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately for GEMA, Rapidshare placed a dog/cat CAPTCHA to access the check. That is, of course, after they've waited out the time delay for free-users.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately for GEMA , Rapidshare placed a dog/cat CAPTCHA to access the check .
That is , of course , after they 've waited out the time delay for free-users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately for GEMA, Rapidshare placed a dog/cat CAPTCHA to access the check.
That is, of course, after they've waited out the time delay for free-users.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28454987</id>
	<title>But How?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245867720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>What is the viable solution to this? If they solely delete known instances of the data in question, they will be uploaded again in no time. If they add a keyword-based filter, then it'll just become like Napster in its dying days where files are intentionally misnamed enough to skirt the filters, or given random names entirely and linked to elsewhere. If they do hashing, uploaders will use RAR/passworded RAR/encrypted RAR archives. It's a cat-and-mouse game that becomes the prime example as to why, in one of the few glimmers of common sense in the DMCA, services like Rapidshare are exempt from getting brought to court for hosting copyrighted content, as long as they take it down if asked by the copyright holder. Hosting the files is the job of Rapidshare. Policing them isn't.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What is the viable solution to this ?
If they solely delete known instances of the data in question , they will be uploaded again in no time .
If they add a keyword-based filter , then it 'll just become like Napster in its dying days where files are intentionally misnamed enough to skirt the filters , or given random names entirely and linked to elsewhere .
If they do hashing , uploaders will use RAR/passworded RAR/encrypted RAR archives .
It 's a cat-and-mouse game that becomes the prime example as to why , in one of the few glimmers of common sense in the DMCA , services like Rapidshare are exempt from getting brought to court for hosting copyrighted content , as long as they take it down if asked by the copyright holder .
Hosting the files is the job of Rapidshare .
Policing them is n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is the viable solution to this?
If they solely delete known instances of the data in question, they will be uploaded again in no time.
If they add a keyword-based filter, then it'll just become like Napster in its dying days where files are intentionally misnamed enough to skirt the filters, or given random names entirely and linked to elsewhere.
If they do hashing, uploaders will use RAR/passworded RAR/encrypted RAR archives.
It's a cat-and-mouse game that becomes the prime example as to why, in one of the few glimmers of common sense in the DMCA, services like Rapidshare are exempt from getting brought to court for hosting copyrighted content, as long as they take it down if asked by the copyright holder.
Hosting the files is the job of Rapidshare.
Policing them isn't.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28455055</id>
	<title>Which Rapidshare?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245867900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Would this be rapidshare.de or rapidshare.com ? They are significantly different.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Would this be rapidshare.de or rapidshare.com ?
They are significantly different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would this be rapidshare.de or rapidshare.com ?
They are significantly different.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28455031</id>
	<title>How to filter?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245867840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>For a typical rapidshare download, the files are names something weird, fragmented into multiple tars/rars and they're mostly password protected. The user gets all this info from the site that provides the links. The rapidshare servers themselves seem oblivious to the content of the files.<br> <br>
How will rapidshare enforce filtering? crack passwords for every rar, open the content, view it, check it against existing copyright works? I doubt if filtering will deter any illegal file-sharing on rapidshare at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>For a typical rapidshare download , the files are names something weird , fragmented into multiple tars/rars and they 're mostly password protected .
The user gets all this info from the site that provides the links .
The rapidshare servers themselves seem oblivious to the content of the files .
How will rapidshare enforce filtering ?
crack passwords for every rar , open the content , view it , check it against existing copyright works ?
I doubt if filtering will deter any illegal file-sharing on rapidshare at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For a typical rapidshare download, the files are names something weird, fragmented into multiple tars/rars and they're mostly password protected.
The user gets all this info from the site that provides the links.
The rapidshare servers themselves seem oblivious to the content of the files.
How will rapidshare enforce filtering?
crack passwords for every rar, open the content, view it, check it against existing copyright works?
I doubt if filtering will deter any illegal file-sharing on rapidshare at all.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28460189</id>
	<title>Re:Imbeciles!</title>
	<author>nurb432</author>
	<datestamp>1245844800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think its that they know how it works, but must make judgments in the matter to 'enforce' the IP, even if they know its a lost cause. Otherwise the rights of IP go out the window.</p><p>Sort of like if you don't defend your copyrights, you lose them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think its that they know how it works , but must make judgments in the matter to 'enforce ' the IP , even if they know its a lost cause .
Otherwise the rights of IP go out the window.Sort of like if you do n't defend your copyrights , you lose them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think its that they know how it works, but must make judgments in the matter to 'enforce' the IP, even if they know its a lost cause.
Otherwise the rights of IP go out the window.Sort of like if you don't defend your copyrights, you lose them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28454913</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28457739</id>
	<title>Safe deposit boxes</title>
	<author>MobyDisk</author>
	<datestamp>1245834540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I put a CD into a safe deposit box, and I share the key with people - and they go to the box, copy the CD, then put the CD back... is the bank liable?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I put a CD into a safe deposit box , and I share the key with people - and they go to the box , copy the CD , then put the CD back... is the bank liable ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I put a CD into a safe deposit box, and I share the key with people - and they go to the box, copy the CD, then put the CD back... is the bank liable?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28455007</id>
	<title>Good</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245867780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let the politicians and courts screw up the internet so bad that nothing but flash ads and porn are left, then we can can all use darknets. out of site out of mind.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let the politicians and courts screw up the internet so bad that nothing but flash ads and porn are left , then we can can all use darknets .
out of site out of mind .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let the politicians and courts screw up the internet so bad that nothing but flash ads and porn are left, then we can can all use darknets.
out of site out of mind.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28458163</id>
	<title>Re:So it's about censorship, is it?</title>
	<author>thalassinos</author>
	<datestamp>1245836220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Rapidshare has its legal uses and personally I find it very convenient.
 <p>
I have a premium account and I use it to share very large files with clients instead of using FTP. Bandwidth costs would have killed me if I was hosting my own files. Rapidshare is also much faster than my FTP site.
 </p><p>
A friend of mine uses Rapidshare to share files used in large civil engineering projects with dozens of subcontractors and the local government. Perfectly legal.
 </p><p>
You upload your (preferably encrypted) file once, share the link and stop worrying about it.
 </p><p>
Now, if you are looking at Rapidshare from the point of view of (ahem) sharing questionable material, then yes, Rapidshare is a step back (more akin to FTP). They even try on purpose to make the content that they host difficult to index in search engines. They offer a single point of failure. But, as I mentioned earlier, they did not start with the aim of becoming the-next-big-thing-after-torrents.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Rapidshare has its legal uses and personally I find it very convenient .
I have a premium account and I use it to share very large files with clients instead of using FTP .
Bandwidth costs would have killed me if I was hosting my own files .
Rapidshare is also much faster than my FTP site .
A friend of mine uses Rapidshare to share files used in large civil engineering projects with dozens of subcontractors and the local government .
Perfectly legal .
You upload your ( preferably encrypted ) file once , share the link and stop worrying about it .
Now , if you are looking at Rapidshare from the point of view of ( ahem ) sharing questionable material , then yes , Rapidshare is a step back ( more akin to FTP ) .
They even try on purpose to make the content that they host difficult to index in search engines .
They offer a single point of failure .
But , as I mentioned earlier , they did not start with the aim of becoming the-next-big-thing-after-torrents .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rapidshare has its legal uses and personally I find it very convenient.
I have a premium account and I use it to share very large files with clients instead of using FTP.
Bandwidth costs would have killed me if I was hosting my own files.
Rapidshare is also much faster than my FTP site.
A friend of mine uses Rapidshare to share files used in large civil engineering projects with dozens of subcontractors and the local government.
Perfectly legal.
You upload your (preferably encrypted) file once, share the link and stop worrying about it.
Now, if you are looking at Rapidshare from the point of view of (ahem) sharing questionable material, then yes, Rapidshare is a step back (more akin to FTP).
They even try on purpose to make the content that they host difficult to index in search engines.
They offer a single point of failure.
But, as I mentioned earlier, they did not start with the aim of becoming the-next-big-thing-after-torrents.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28455563</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28456055</id>
	<title>Re:But How?</title>
	<author>Rysc</author>
	<datestamp>1245871140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We already know exactly how this will go. RS already bans certain types of 'objectionable' porn, so such material is routinely uploaded as password protected RARs. The intended audience does not report it, so it remains up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We already know exactly how this will go .
RS already bans certain types of 'objectionable ' porn , so such material is routinely uploaded as password protected RARs .
The intended audience does not report it , so it remains up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We already know exactly how this will go.
RS already bans certain types of 'objectionable' porn, so such material is routinely uploaded as password protected RARs.
The intended audience does not report it, so it remains up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28454987</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28464245</id>
	<title>Re:Surprised</title>
	<author>totally bogus dude</author>
	<datestamp>1245925320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the freedom argument is because it's not possible to stop downloading without massively infringing on people's legitimate, ethical freedoms. In short, you can't effectively stop individuals downloading copyrighted materials they have no rights to without monitoring them 24/7. Nobody is suggesting that yet -- the closest is automated filters which people just work around. But that's the end game, and any move made towards that is alarming to many people.</p><p>Even in the case of things like Rapidshare, they provide a useful service to the internet but how can they reasonably provide an equivalent service if they HAVE to filter all content for potential copyright violations? Aside from logistical problems, there's technical ones: many of the things uploaded are in password-protected RARs, so Rapidshare are completely unable to check its contents, even if there was a technically feasible means for them to do so. Ban all password-protected stuff? But why shouldn't I be able to upload some of my own data with a strong password that I provide to whoever I want to have access it? What about uploading content that Rapidshare doesn't recognise? It'd be easy to, say, flip a few bits around and have a small file on another site to flip them back. The version Rapidshare would seem to be "data" of some kind and useless; but with the small bit of extra info it can be converted into a FLAC-encoded Top 40 album.</p><p>Finally, there's economics. The argument against piracy is that it costs content-producing industries so much money. The amounts they claim are often dubious, as people do buy things they've pirated sometimes, or they might pirate the first one in a series, get hooked, and then buy later ones which they otherwise wouldn't have been interested in. This can occur for music records, TV shows, games, and so on. So it's very hard to quantify the actual loss, as some piracy is unquestionably beneficial, even if only in the long run. Some is, of course, a loss in the sense that the person pirating it would've paid the requested price if they'd had to.</p><p>But it should also be realised that trying to protect against piracy has an economic cost, too. Consider how much time/money would be spent retooling sites like Rapidshare to enable copyright filtering. Now expand that to any site that accepts any kind of user content, and the sheer amount of inefficiency introduced is mind-blowing. Is the economic cost of piracy actually greater than the economic cost of preventing it?</p><p>Then back to freedom. Even if you can implement effective measures, how do you prevent them from being abused? Unless you decide that "privacy" is an antiquated notion and teach people not to expect to have any kind of privacy ever, this is a real problem. Someone has to do the watching, but who watches the watchers? What's to stop the copyright enforcement technology being used by governments or other powerful entities to control the other information that is available? Or simply fabricating claims of copyright infringement against people who are in there way?</p><p>So while combating piracy isn't itself a bad thing, the cost to society of actually preventing it may be much higher than the cost of the piracy itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the freedom argument is because it 's not possible to stop downloading without massively infringing on people 's legitimate , ethical freedoms .
In short , you ca n't effectively stop individuals downloading copyrighted materials they have no rights to without monitoring them 24/7 .
Nobody is suggesting that yet -- the closest is automated filters which people just work around .
But that 's the end game , and any move made towards that is alarming to many people.Even in the case of things like Rapidshare , they provide a useful service to the internet but how can they reasonably provide an equivalent service if they HAVE to filter all content for potential copyright violations ?
Aside from logistical problems , there 's technical ones : many of the things uploaded are in password-protected RARs , so Rapidshare are completely unable to check its contents , even if there was a technically feasible means for them to do so .
Ban all password-protected stuff ?
But why should n't I be able to upload some of my own data with a strong password that I provide to whoever I want to have access it ?
What about uploading content that Rapidshare does n't recognise ?
It 'd be easy to , say , flip a few bits around and have a small file on another site to flip them back .
The version Rapidshare would seem to be " data " of some kind and useless ; but with the small bit of extra info it can be converted into a FLAC-encoded Top 40 album.Finally , there 's economics .
The argument against piracy is that it costs content-producing industries so much money .
The amounts they claim are often dubious , as people do buy things they 've pirated sometimes , or they might pirate the first one in a series , get hooked , and then buy later ones which they otherwise would n't have been interested in .
This can occur for music records , TV shows , games , and so on .
So it 's very hard to quantify the actual loss , as some piracy is unquestionably beneficial , even if only in the long run .
Some is , of course , a loss in the sense that the person pirating it would 've paid the requested price if they 'd had to.But it should also be realised that trying to protect against piracy has an economic cost , too .
Consider how much time/money would be spent retooling sites like Rapidshare to enable copyright filtering .
Now expand that to any site that accepts any kind of user content , and the sheer amount of inefficiency introduced is mind-blowing .
Is the economic cost of piracy actually greater than the economic cost of preventing it ? Then back to freedom .
Even if you can implement effective measures , how do you prevent them from being abused ?
Unless you decide that " privacy " is an antiquated notion and teach people not to expect to have any kind of privacy ever , this is a real problem .
Someone has to do the watching , but who watches the watchers ?
What 's to stop the copyright enforcement technology being used by governments or other powerful entities to control the other information that is available ?
Or simply fabricating claims of copyright infringement against people who are in there way ? So while combating piracy is n't itself a bad thing , the cost to society of actually preventing it may be much higher than the cost of the piracy itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the freedom argument is because it's not possible to stop downloading without massively infringing on people's legitimate, ethical freedoms.
In short, you can't effectively stop individuals downloading copyrighted materials they have no rights to without monitoring them 24/7.
Nobody is suggesting that yet -- the closest is automated filters which people just work around.
But that's the end game, and any move made towards that is alarming to many people.Even in the case of things like Rapidshare, they provide a useful service to the internet but how can they reasonably provide an equivalent service if they HAVE to filter all content for potential copyright violations?
Aside from logistical problems, there's technical ones: many of the things uploaded are in password-protected RARs, so Rapidshare are completely unable to check its contents, even if there was a technically feasible means for them to do so.
Ban all password-protected stuff?
But why shouldn't I be able to upload some of my own data with a strong password that I provide to whoever I want to have access it?
What about uploading content that Rapidshare doesn't recognise?
It'd be easy to, say, flip a few bits around and have a small file on another site to flip them back.
The version Rapidshare would seem to be "data" of some kind and useless; but with the small bit of extra info it can be converted into a FLAC-encoded Top 40 album.Finally, there's economics.
The argument against piracy is that it costs content-producing industries so much money.
The amounts they claim are often dubious, as people do buy things they've pirated sometimes, or they might pirate the first one in a series, get hooked, and then buy later ones which they otherwise wouldn't have been interested in.
This can occur for music records, TV shows, games, and so on.
So it's very hard to quantify the actual loss, as some piracy is unquestionably beneficial, even if only in the long run.
Some is, of course, a loss in the sense that the person pirating it would've paid the requested price if they'd had to.But it should also be realised that trying to protect against piracy has an economic cost, too.
Consider how much time/money would be spent retooling sites like Rapidshare to enable copyright filtering.
Now expand that to any site that accepts any kind of user content, and the sheer amount of inefficiency introduced is mind-blowing.
Is the economic cost of piracy actually greater than the economic cost of preventing it?Then back to freedom.
Even if you can implement effective measures, how do you prevent them from being abused?
Unless you decide that "privacy" is an antiquated notion and teach people not to expect to have any kind of privacy ever, this is a real problem.
Someone has to do the watching, but who watches the watchers?
What's to stop the copyright enforcement technology being used by governments or other powerful entities to control the other information that is available?
Or simply fabricating claims of copyright infringement against people who are in there way?So while combating piracy isn't itself a bad thing, the cost to society of actually preventing it may be much higher than the cost of the piracy itself.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28456505</id>
	<title>425 songs is that all?</title>
	<author>AmigaHeretic</author>
	<datestamp>1245872880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>&gt;&gt;$34 million was the estimated value of the tracks hosted on Rapidshare.

<br> <br>
$1.92million / 24 songs, that's $80,000 per song...
<br> <br>
$34million / $80,000 =  425 songs.
<br> <br>
I thought rapidshare had a much more diverse collection of music than that.</htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; $ 34 million was the estimated value of the tracks hosted on Rapidshare .
$ 1.92million / 24 songs , that 's $ 80,000 per song.. . $ 34million / $ 80,000 = 425 songs .
I thought rapidshare had a much more diverse collection of music than that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt;$34 million was the estimated value of the tracks hosted on Rapidshare.
$1.92million / 24 songs, that's $80,000 per song...
 
$34million / $80,000 =  425 songs.
I thought rapidshare had a much more diverse collection of music than that.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28456327</id>
	<title>Mail you a song?</title>
	<author>DeadDecoy</author>
	<datestamp>1245872220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just imagine if we all started mailing each other burned copies of music over the postal system. The RIAA would then demand to open all mail and screen for it. This whole business of screening all content seems to be bordering on unconstitutional to me. If I'm a copyright holder, does that give me the right to root through downloads and uploads on your personal computer for possible violations? It's certainly an interesting gray area for the legal system. On one hand you have the copyright holder's rights and on the other the computer user's rights. Whose rights are more important?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just imagine if we all started mailing each other burned copies of music over the postal system .
The RIAA would then demand to open all mail and screen for it .
This whole business of screening all content seems to be bordering on unconstitutional to me .
If I 'm a copyright holder , does that give me the right to root through downloads and uploads on your personal computer for possible violations ?
It 's certainly an interesting gray area for the legal system .
On one hand you have the copyright holder 's rights and on the other the computer user 's rights .
Whose rights are more important ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just imagine if we all started mailing each other burned copies of music over the postal system.
The RIAA would then demand to open all mail and screen for it.
This whole business of screening all content seems to be bordering on unconstitutional to me.
If I'm a copyright holder, does that give me the right to root through downloads and uploads on your personal computer for possible violations?
It's certainly an interesting gray area for the legal system.
On one hand you have the copyright holder's rights and on the other the computer user's rights.
Whose rights are more important?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28456261</id>
	<title>Re:Surprised</title>
	<author>Taagehornet</author>
	<datestamp>1245871920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Mininova and other websites took over as the leading Torrent hubs.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Just to correct an all too common misunderstanding, Mininova really cannot be compared to The Pirate Bay.
</p><p>
Mininova is nothing more than an <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent\_index" title="wikipedia.org">index</a> [wikipedia.org].
Mininova does not operate a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitTorrent\_tracker" title="wikipedia.org">tracker</a> [wikipedia.org].
The majority (if not all) of the torrent files found at Mininova would be pretty useless if the Pirate Bay servers weren't around to do the heavy lifting.
</p><p>
The torrent network really isn't as decentralized as most people seem to think; torrent traffic would take a major hit if the servers at TPB were shut down<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...at least for a while.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mininova and other websites took over as the leading Torrent hubs .
Just to correct an all too common misunderstanding , Mininova really can not be compared to The Pirate Bay .
Mininova is nothing more than an index [ wikipedia.org ] .
Mininova does not operate a tracker [ wikipedia.org ] .
The majority ( if not all ) of the torrent files found at Mininova would be pretty useless if the Pirate Bay servers were n't around to do the heavy lifting .
The torrent network really is n't as decentralized as most people seem to think ; torrent traffic would take a major hit if the servers at TPB were shut down ...at least for a while .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mininova and other websites took over as the leading Torrent hubs.
Just to correct an all too common misunderstanding, Mininova really cannot be compared to The Pirate Bay.
Mininova is nothing more than an index [wikipedia.org].
Mininova does not operate a tracker [wikipedia.org].
The majority (if not all) of the torrent files found at Mininova would be pretty useless if the Pirate Bay servers weren't around to do the heavy lifting.
The torrent network really isn't as decentralized as most people seem to think; torrent traffic would take a major hit if the servers at TPB were shut down ...at least for a while.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28454895</id>
	<title>*sigh*</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245867420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As much as I have come to strongly dislike Rapidshare's glitches (saying something is downloading when it isn't, sometimes up to a day after a download has finished or been disrupterd for example), this is horseshit.

Filtering doesn't work anyways.</htmltext>
<tokenext>As much as I have come to strongly dislike Rapidshare 's glitches ( saying something is downloading when it is n't , sometimes up to a day after a download has finished or been disrupterd for example ) , this is horseshit .
Filtering does n't work anyways .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As much as I have come to strongly dislike Rapidshare's glitches (saying something is downloading when it isn't, sometimes up to a day after a download has finished or been disrupterd for example), this is horseshit.
Filtering doesn't work anyways.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28457523</id>
	<title>Re:Can we just fix copyright?</title>
	<author>baKanale</author>
	<datestamp>1245876960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Anyone else sick of the current Mickey Mouse copyright laws we have now?</p></div></blockquote><p>

Hear, hear!  It's funny calling our current copyright laws "Mickey Mouse", what with Steamboat Willy still under copyright, and continuing to be so until 2023.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anyone else sick of the current Mickey Mouse copyright laws we have now ?
Hear , hear !
It 's funny calling our current copyright laws " Mickey Mouse " , what with Steamboat Willy still under copyright , and continuing to be so until 2023 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anyone else sick of the current Mickey Mouse copyright laws we have now?
Hear, hear!
It's funny calling our current copyright laws "Mickey Mouse", what with Steamboat Willy still under copyright, and continuing to be so until 2023.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28455261</id>
	<title>Serves them right.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245868560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Guys, stop whining!</p><p>Rapidshit is *the* hub for swapping pirated works and software. I mean i'm all for net neutrality and against condemnation of technologies (bittorrent), but this is a business that somehow manages to distribute huge amounts of stolen material.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Guys , stop whining ! Rapidshit is * the * hub for swapping pirated works and software .
I mean i 'm all for net neutrality and against condemnation of technologies ( bittorrent ) , but this is a business that somehow manages to distribute huge amounts of stolen material .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Guys, stop whining!Rapidshit is *the* hub for swapping pirated works and software.
I mean i'm all for net neutrality and against condemnation of technologies (bittorrent), but this is a business that somehow manages to distribute huge amounts of stolen material.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28459215</id>
	<title>Re:But How?</title>
	<author>AmberBlackCat</author>
	<datestamp>1245839820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>They'll pay ISP's to ban the people who participate, or get some law passed that requires ISP's to ban the people who participate. And if they're in the United States, there ISP monopolies will ensure they only have to make a few payments to shut down every option.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 'll pay ISP 's to ban the people who participate , or get some law passed that requires ISP 's to ban the people who participate .
And if they 're in the United States , there ISP monopolies will ensure they only have to make a few payments to shut down every option .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They'll pay ISP's to ban the people who participate, or get some law passed that requires ISP's to ban the people who participate.
And if they're in the United States, there ISP monopolies will ensure they only have to make a few payments to shut down every option.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28457017</id>
	<title>Re:The value of the tracks was $34 million</title>
	<author>ObsessiveMathsFreak</author>
	<datestamp>1245874980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So each music track, which you can estimate, generously, as being around 10MB in size, was worth on average about $6800. That's a lot of money for something which takes up so little space, and which is so easy to copy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So each music track , which you can estimate , generously , as being around 10MB in size , was worth on average about $ 6800 .
That 's a lot of money for something which takes up so little space , and which is so easy to copy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So each music track, which you can estimate, generously, as being around 10MB in size, was worth on average about $6800.
That's a lot of money for something which takes up so little space, and which is so easy to copy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28463827</id>
	<title>Re:Surprised</title>
	<author>initialE</author>
	<datestamp>1245963180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People use these sites because they either don't want to or can't seed the stuff 24/7. A few of the manga translation groups don't even have an IRC channel to hang out on, they just use a blogger site and rapidshare account to publish their material.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People use these sites because they either do n't want to or ca n't seed the stuff 24/7 .
A few of the manga translation groups do n't even have an IRC channel to hang out on , they just use a blogger site and rapidshare account to publish their material .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People use these sites because they either don't want to or can't seed the stuff 24/7.
A few of the manga translation groups don't even have an IRC channel to hang out on, they just use a blogger site and rapidshare account to publish their material.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28455957</id>
	<title>Small potatoes</title>
	<author>K. S. Kyosuke</author>
	<datestamp>1245870600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"No such fine has been imposed &#226;" $34 million was the estimated value of the tracks hosted on Rapidshare."</p></div></blockquote><p>

Amazing, this figure means that there are only <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/06/19/1550232/19-Million-Award-In-Thomas-Case-Raises-Constitutional-Questions" title="slashdot.org">at most about four hundred illegally uploaded American tracks</a> [slashdot.org]. That's not even noteworthy.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-) *hides*</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" No such fine has been imposed   " $ 34 million was the estimated value of the tracks hosted on Rapidshare .
" Amazing , this figure means that there are only at most about four hundred illegally uploaded American tracks [ slashdot.org ] .
That 's not even noteworthy .
; - ) * hides *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"No such fine has been imposed â" $34 million was the estimated value of the tracks hosted on Rapidshare.
"

Amazing, this figure means that there are only at most about four hundred illegally uploaded American tracks [slashdot.org].
That's not even noteworthy.
;-) *hides*
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28454983</id>
	<title>Can we just fix copyright?</title>
	<author>realcoolguy425</author>
	<datestamp>1245867720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Hell I'd go out of my way to protect everything and anything if there was a reasonable time before it fell into public domain.  I keep thinking about this issue a lot, I think the solution needs to involve the copyright owner paying in money, very very small sums for the first few years, but leading to much larger sums as time moves forward.  Hopefully until they opt to just let it fall into public domain because they have already made a profit on their works.  (Anyone else sick of the current Mickey Mouse copyright laws we have now?)

<p>
Anyway, maybe something like years 1-4 $100 years 5-8 $1000 years 8-10 $40000 then we could just say something 1 million per year for every year there after.  So either way, the work will benefit the general public (as was the original intention of copyright law).  If the work is so wildly successful it will raise money.  If the work isn't that great, it gets put into public domain sooner, so it can be built upon.  Anyway, maybe I'm crazy, I don't like to see this kind of over-regulation of thought anyway.  However if we WERE going to provide the protections that copyright holders want, I would greatly prefer a system based on this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hell I 'd go out of my way to protect everything and anything if there was a reasonable time before it fell into public domain .
I keep thinking about this issue a lot , I think the solution needs to involve the copyright owner paying in money , very very small sums for the first few years , but leading to much larger sums as time moves forward .
Hopefully until they opt to just let it fall into public domain because they have already made a profit on their works .
( Anyone else sick of the current Mickey Mouse copyright laws we have now ?
) Anyway , maybe something like years 1-4 $ 100 years 5-8 $ 1000 years 8-10 $ 40000 then we could just say something 1 million per year for every year there after .
So either way , the work will benefit the general public ( as was the original intention of copyright law ) .
If the work is so wildly successful it will raise money .
If the work is n't that great , it gets put into public domain sooner , so it can be built upon .
Anyway , maybe I 'm crazy , I do n't like to see this kind of over-regulation of thought anyway .
However if we WERE going to provide the protections that copyright holders want , I would greatly prefer a system based on this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hell I'd go out of my way to protect everything and anything if there was a reasonable time before it fell into public domain.
I keep thinking about this issue a lot, I think the solution needs to involve the copyright owner paying in money, very very small sums for the first few years, but leading to much larger sums as time moves forward.
Hopefully until they opt to just let it fall into public domain because they have already made a profit on their works.
(Anyone else sick of the current Mickey Mouse copyright laws we have now?
)


Anyway, maybe something like years 1-4 $100 years 5-8 $1000 years 8-10 $40000 then we could just say something 1 million per year for every year there after.
So either way, the work will benefit the general public (as was the original intention of copyright law).
If the work is so wildly successful it will raise money.
If the work isn't that great, it gets put into public domain sooner, so it can be built upon.
Anyway, maybe I'm crazy, I don't like to see this kind of over-regulation of thought anyway.
However if we WERE going to provide the protections that copyright holders want, I would greatly prefer a system based on this.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28455513</id>
	<title>That's a lot of money to pay</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245869340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering all I have ever managed to download from them is the same damned Rick Astley video.... MAN I hate that song... never gonna gi---</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering all I have ever managed to download from them is the same damned Rick Astley video.... MAN I hate that song... never gon na gi---</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering all I have ever managed to download from them is the same damned Rick Astley video.... MAN I hate that song... never gonna gi---</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28455027</id>
	<title>fuck</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245867840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As long as they keep the ebooks which you really can't find anywhere else...that's the only reason I use Rapidshare. It's a goldmine of history books, some of them out of print but not out of copyright. In any case, via AvaxHome and Filestube it's saved me a lot of trips to the local university libraries.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as they keep the ebooks which you really ca n't find anywhere else...that 's the only reason I use Rapidshare .
It 's a goldmine of history books , some of them out of print but not out of copyright .
In any case , via AvaxHome and Filestube it 's saved me a lot of trips to the local university libraries .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as they keep the ebooks which you really can't find anywhere else...that's the only reason I use Rapidshare.
It's a goldmine of history books, some of them out of print but not out of copyright.
In any case, via AvaxHome and Filestube it's saved me a lot of trips to the local university libraries.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28454843</id>
	<title>Fucking bastards...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245867240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's to the hope that they'll be first against the wall when the revolution comes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's to the hope that they 'll be first against the wall when the revolution comes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's to the hope that they'll be first against the wall when the revolution comes.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28457929</id>
	<title>Re:That's a lot of money to pay</title>
	<author>Icegryphon</author>
	<datestamp>1245835320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Rick Rolled in a Slashdot story.<br>
BTW, I lost the game and so did you!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Rick Rolled in a Slashdot story .
BTW , I lost the game and so did you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rick Rolled in a Slashdot story.
BTW, I lost the game and so did you!</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28461455</id>
	<title>"street value"</title>
	<author>aminorex</author>
	<datestamp>1245852840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That 34 million is, of course, street value of the goods--after they've been "cut" with powdered sugar and strychnine, to a purity less than 10\% of the original.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 34 million is , of course , street value of the goods--after they 've been " cut " with powdered sugar and strychnine , to a purity less than 10 \ % of the original .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That 34 million is, of course, street value of the goods--after they've been "cut" with powdered sugar and strychnine, to a purity less than 10\% of the original.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28454955</id>
	<title>eeah.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245867600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is rubbish. Rapidshare is teh best place to leech my 1337 warez.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is rubbish .
Rapidshare is teh best place to leech my 1337 warez .
: (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is rubbish.
Rapidshare is teh best place to leech my 1337 warez.
:(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28454991</id>
	<title>Re:Surprised</title>
	<author>Mastadex</author>
	<datestamp>1245867720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Once you start hitting the Obvious Targets - RapidShare, MegaUpload, etc - the content will be pushed further underground such as Torrent websites. This is the same thing that we saw with ThePirateBay when it was under fire. Mininova and other websites took over as the leading Torrent hubs.</p><p>Trying to silence the masses is impossible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Once you start hitting the Obvious Targets - RapidShare , MegaUpload , etc - the content will be pushed further underground such as Torrent websites .
This is the same thing that we saw with ThePirateBay when it was under fire .
Mininova and other websites took over as the leading Torrent hubs.Trying to silence the masses is impossible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Once you start hitting the Obvious Targets - RapidShare, MegaUpload, etc - the content will be pushed further underground such as Torrent websites.
This is the same thing that we saw with ThePirateBay when it was under fire.
Mininova and other websites took over as the leading Torrent hubs.Trying to silence the masses is impossible.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28454917</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28456391</id>
	<title>Opera Unite!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245872520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is why I love Opera Unite!  My family is always asking me to 'fix' their computers for them... for free.  Yeah, well, now any files I want to share on sites like RapidShare I just put in a hidden folder on their computer and then install Opera Unite as a startup service to run in the background!

<br> <br>
Might take a while, but I think once they've had the RIAA raid their house a couple times, they might put it together and stop asking me for computer help.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is why I love Opera Unite !
My family is always asking me to 'fix ' their computers for them... for free .
Yeah , well , now any files I want to share on sites like RapidShare I just put in a hidden folder on their computer and then install Opera Unite as a startup service to run in the background !
Might take a while , but I think once they 've had the RIAA raid their house a couple times , they might put it together and stop asking me for computer help .
: )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is why I love Opera Unite!
My family is always asking me to 'fix' their computers for them... for free.
Yeah, well, now any files I want to share on sites like RapidShare I just put in a hidden folder on their computer and then install Opera Unite as a startup service to run in the background!
Might take a while, but I think once they've had the RIAA raid their house a couple times, they might put it together and stop asking me for computer help.
:)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28454969</id>
	<title>The value of the tracks was $34 million</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245867660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://torrentfreak.com/court-orders-rapidshare-to-proactively-filter-content-090624/" title="torrentfreak.com" rel="nofollow">http://torrentfreak.com/court-orders-rapidshare-to-proactively-filter-content-090624/</a> [torrentfreak.com] </p><blockquote><div><p>The Regional Court in Hamburg, Germany, has ruled that file-hosting service Rapidshare must proactively filter certain content. Music industry outfit GEMA asked the court to ban Rapidshare from making 5,000 tracks from its catalogue available on the Internet. The court estimated the value of the tracks at $34 million.</p></div></blockquote></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //torrentfreak.com/court-orders-rapidshare-to-proactively-filter-content-090624/ [ torrentfreak.com ] The Regional Court in Hamburg , Germany , has ruled that file-hosting service Rapidshare must proactively filter certain content .
Music industry outfit GEMA asked the court to ban Rapidshare from making 5,000 tracks from its catalogue available on the Internet .
The court estimated the value of the tracks at $ 34 million .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://torrentfreak.com/court-orders-rapidshare-to-proactively-filter-content-090624/ [torrentfreak.com] The Regional Court in Hamburg, Germany, has ruled that file-hosting service Rapidshare must proactively filter certain content.
Music industry outfit GEMA asked the court to ban Rapidshare from making 5,000 tracks from its catalogue available on the Internet.
The court estimated the value of the tracks at $34 million.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28463085</id>
	<title>Re:Surprised</title>
	<author>macbeth66</author>
	<datestamp>1245867900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Freedom is the right to say what you want to say and do what you want to do so long as it has *some* ethical justification. Downloading stuff isn't that.</p></div><p>HUH?</p><p>That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.  And it sounds like cereal box drivel.  You need no ethical justification of any kind.  I don't need to justify what I say and do.  You need to prove that I can't say or do it.  Your freedom ends where it infringes on the next guy's freedom.  And then we could go on and on about where that line is drawn.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Freedom is the right to say what you want to say and do what you want to do so long as it has * some * ethical justification .
Downloading stuff is n't that.HUH ? That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard .
And it sounds like cereal box drivel .
You need no ethical justification of any kind .
I do n't need to justify what I say and do .
You need to prove that I ca n't say or do it .
Your freedom ends where it infringes on the next guy 's freedom .
And then we could go on and on about where that line is drawn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Freedom is the right to say what you want to say and do what you want to do so long as it has *some* ethical justification.
Downloading stuff isn't that.HUH?That is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.
And it sounds like cereal box drivel.
You need no ethical justification of any kind.
I don't need to justify what I say and do.
You need to prove that I can't say or do it.
Your freedom ends where it infringes on the next guy's freedom.
And then we could go on and on about where that line is drawn.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28457091</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28454917</id>
	<title>Surprised</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245867480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm surprised it took this long.</p><p>It should be just a matter of months before shit hits the fan with all the other ones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm surprised it took this long.It should be just a matter of months before shit hits the fan with all the other ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm surprised it took this long.It should be just a matter of months before shit hits the fan with all the other ones.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28455087</id>
	<title>That beats...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245868020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>That beats being fined $80,000 per song like they do over here in the states.</htmltext>
<tokenext>That beats being fined $ 80,000 per song like they do over here in the states .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That beats being fined $80,000 per song like they do over here in the states.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28461167</id>
	<title>Only $34 million worth of tracks?</title>
	<author>noidentity</author>
	<datestamp>1245850440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>No such fine [$34 million] has been imposed -- $34 million was the estimated value of the tracks hosted on Rapidshare.</p></div></blockquote><p>So they were hosting only 425 tracks. I would have figured they'd had many more than that.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>No such fine [ $ 34 million ] has been imposed -- $ 34 million was the estimated value of the tracks hosted on Rapidshare.So they were hosting only 425 tracks .
I would have figured they 'd had many more than that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No such fine [$34 million] has been imposed -- $34 million was the estimated value of the tracks hosted on Rapidshare.So they were hosting only 425 tracks.
I would have figured they'd had many more than that.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28456453</id>
	<title>Cost of Compliance</title>
	<author>Ohio Calvinist</author>
	<datestamp>1245872700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I often wonder when governments of small markets (state/providence/prefecture or national) if smaller companies like Rapidshare who aren't competing on the level of MS or Google ever consider simply blocking access to that region that has laws/rulings that challenge the profitability of their business model. As much as it seems anti-thetical for a "world wide web" it seems from a business perspective a real option.<br> <br>
Even more so, how would you do it to satisfy the court... block by IP, geotraceroute, TLD, a message saying "Due to Company vs. State, if you are a resident of region, you are not permitted to use this site.... [legalese]...".</htmltext>
<tokenext>I often wonder when governments of small markets ( state/providence/prefecture or national ) if smaller companies like Rapidshare who are n't competing on the level of MS or Google ever consider simply blocking access to that region that has laws/rulings that challenge the profitability of their business model .
As much as it seems anti-thetical for a " world wide web " it seems from a business perspective a real option .
Even more so , how would you do it to satisfy the court... block by IP , geotraceroute , TLD , a message saying " Due to Company vs. State , if you are a resident of region , you are not permitted to use this site.... [ legalese ] ... " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I often wonder when governments of small markets (state/providence/prefecture or national) if smaller companies like Rapidshare who aren't competing on the level of MS or Google ever consider simply blocking access to that region that has laws/rulings that challenge the profitability of their business model.
As much as it seems anti-thetical for a "world wide web" it seems from a business perspective a real option.
Even more so, how would you do it to satisfy the court... block by IP, geotraceroute, TLD, a message saying "Due to Company vs. State, if you are a resident of region, you are not permitted to use this site.... [legalese]...".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28456039</id>
	<title>Re:So it's about censorship, is it?</title>
	<author>Killer Orca</author>
	<datestamp>1245871020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I was under the impression that eDonkey and Gnutella were in the same group/protocol, also I have never heard of WinMX/NY and have yet to actually get to a darknet.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I was under the impression that eDonkey and Gnutella were in the same group/protocol , also I have never heard of WinMX/NY and have yet to actually get to a darknet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was under the impression that eDonkey and Gnutella were in the same group/protocol, also I have never heard of WinMX/NY and have yet to actually get to a darknet.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28455563</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28459435</id>
	<title>34Million?</title>
	<author>Dan541</author>
	<datestamp>1245840840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>$34,000,000 worth of tracks is less than 50 songs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 34,000,000 worth of tracks is less than 50 songs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$34,000,000 worth of tracks is less than 50 songs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28457091</id>
	<title>Re:Surprised</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245875220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Trying to silence the masses is impossible.</p></div><p>It's just my opinion that casting this as a freedom issue is to diminish the concept.</p><p>The underlying reality is that millions of people are obtaining things they have no right to. Most are doing it because they want it for free. Some may do it as a principled statement or as a protest of civil disobedience against the draconian *AA's but most don't.</p><p>Freedom is the right to say what you want to say and do what you want to do so long as it has *some* ethical justification. Downloading stuff isn't that.</p><p>I don't know how representative<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. is of general IT community opinion but the vibes around here say "downloading can't be stopped and anyone who doesn't like it is stupid." That has to change.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Trying to silence the masses is impossible.It 's just my opinion that casting this as a freedom issue is to diminish the concept.The underlying reality is that millions of people are obtaining things they have no right to .
Most are doing it because they want it for free .
Some may do it as a principled statement or as a protest of civil disobedience against the draconian * AA 's but most do n't.Freedom is the right to say what you want to say and do what you want to do so long as it has * some * ethical justification .
Downloading stuff is n't that.I do n't know how representative / .
is of general IT community opinion but the vibes around here say " downloading ca n't be stopped and anyone who does n't like it is stupid .
" That has to change .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Trying to silence the masses is impossible.It's just my opinion that casting this as a freedom issue is to diminish the concept.The underlying reality is that millions of people are obtaining things they have no right to.
Most are doing it because they want it for free.
Some may do it as a principled statement or as a protest of civil disobedience against the draconian *AA's but most don't.Freedom is the right to say what you want to say and do what you want to do so long as it has *some* ethical justification.
Downloading stuff isn't that.I don't know how representative /.
is of general IT community opinion but the vibes around here say "downloading can't be stopped and anyone who doesn't like it is stupid.
" That has to change.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28455563</id>
	<title>So it's about censorship, is it?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1245869460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For the gain of an industry, not bigger than that of the industry of toilet seats or brushes, Internet utilities and places are forced to do, what is the job of the police and government, and additionally censor things.</p><p>Well, luckily, according to their own calculations, the RIAA has only 5-7 years more to live.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p><p>On another note, I am a bit happy that Rapidshare will be killed. It was a horrible step backward from modern systems like Gnutella. In terms of modernity, Rapidshare was here:<br>Rapidshare, FTP, alt.binary &amp; Co. -&gt; Napster &amp; Co. -&gt; BitTorrent &amp; Co. -&gt; eDonkey &amp; Co. -&gt; Gnutella, WinMX/NY &amp; Co. -&gt; Darknets &amp; Co.<br>(Yes. BitTorrent also is a step backwards, because the search function is not inside the application, and you have to download little header files, instead of ed2k/magnet/etc. links, which makes it unnecessarily complicated.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For the gain of an industry , not bigger than that of the industry of toilet seats or brushes , Internet utilities and places are forced to do , what is the job of the police and government , and additionally censor things.Well , luckily , according to their own calculations , the RIAA has only 5-7 years more to live .
: ) On another note , I am a bit happy that Rapidshare will be killed .
It was a horrible step backward from modern systems like Gnutella .
In terms of modernity , Rapidshare was here : Rapidshare , FTP , alt.binary &amp; Co. - &gt; Napster &amp; Co. - &gt; BitTorrent &amp; Co. - &gt; eDonkey &amp; Co. - &gt; Gnutella , WinMX/NY &amp; Co. - &gt; Darknets &amp; Co. ( Yes .
BitTorrent also is a step backwards , because the search function is not inside the application , and you have to download little header files , instead of ed2k/magnet/etc .
links , which makes it unnecessarily complicated .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For the gain of an industry, not bigger than that of the industry of toilet seats or brushes, Internet utilities and places are forced to do, what is the job of the police and government, and additionally censor things.Well, luckily, according to their own calculations, the RIAA has only 5-7 years more to live.
:)On another note, I am a bit happy that Rapidshare will be killed.
It was a horrible step backward from modern systems like Gnutella.
In terms of modernity, Rapidshare was here:Rapidshare, FTP, alt.binary &amp; Co. -&gt; Napster &amp; Co. -&gt; BitTorrent &amp; Co. -&gt; eDonkey &amp; Co. -&gt; Gnutella, WinMX/NY &amp; Co. -&gt; Darknets &amp; Co.(Yes.
BitTorrent also is a step backwards, because the search function is not inside the application, and you have to download little header files, instead of ed2k/magnet/etc.
links, which makes it unnecessarily complicated.
)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1647251.28455905</id>
	<title>Re:Surprised</title>
	<author>monkeyboythom</author>
	<datestamp>1245870480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean there's more than porn on RS?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean there 's more than porn on RS ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean there's more than porn on RS?</sentencetext>
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