<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_24_1528204</id>
	<title>Alleged Plagiarism In Chris Anderson's New Book</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1245860820000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://twitter.com/scorpfromhell" rel="nofollow">ScorpFromHell</a> writes <i>"Blogger Waldo Jaquith alleges in his blog that Chris Anderson, Wired magazine's editor-in-chief and writer of <em>The Long Tail</em>, has apparently <a href="http://www.vqronline.org/blog/2009/06/23/chris-anderson-free/">plagiarized content from various sources</a> without attribution for his soon-to-be-published book. 'In the course of reading Chris Anderson's new book, <em>Free: The Future of a Radical Price</em>, for a review in an upcoming issue of VQR, we have discovered almost a dozen passages that are reproduced nearly verbatim from uncredited sources. ... Most of the passages, but not all, come from Wikipedia.' When questioned about the similar passages, Anderson responded, "All those are my screwups after we decided not to run notes as planned, due to my inability to find a good citation format for web sources... As you'll note, these are mostly on the margins of the book's focus, mostly on historical asides, but that's no excuse. I should have had a better process to make sure the write-through covered all the text that was not directly sourced. I think what we'll do is publish those notes after all, online as they should have been to begin with.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>ScorpFromHell writes " Blogger Waldo Jaquith alleges in his blog that Chris Anderson , Wired magazine 's editor-in-chief and writer of The Long Tail , has apparently plagiarized content from various sources without attribution for his soon-to-be-published book .
'In the course of reading Chris Anderson 's new book , Free : The Future of a Radical Price , for a review in an upcoming issue of VQR , we have discovered almost a dozen passages that are reproduced nearly verbatim from uncredited sources .
... Most of the passages , but not all , come from Wikipedia .
' When questioned about the similar passages , Anderson responded , " All those are my screwups after we decided not to run notes as planned , due to my inability to find a good citation format for web sources... As you 'll note , these are mostly on the margins of the book 's focus , mostly on historical asides , but that 's no excuse .
I should have had a better process to make sure the write-through covered all the text that was not directly sourced .
I think what we 'll do is publish those notes after all , online as they should have been to begin with .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ScorpFromHell writes "Blogger Waldo Jaquith alleges in his blog that Chris Anderson, Wired magazine's editor-in-chief and writer of The Long Tail, has apparently plagiarized content from various sources without attribution for his soon-to-be-published book.
'In the course of reading Chris Anderson's new book, Free: The Future of a Radical Price, for a review in an upcoming issue of VQR, we have discovered almost a dozen passages that are reproduced nearly verbatim from uncredited sources.
... Most of the passages, but not all, come from Wikipedia.
' When questioned about the similar passages, Anderson responded, "All those are my screwups after we decided not to run notes as planned, due to my inability to find a good citation format for web sources... As you'll note, these are mostly on the margins of the book's focus, mostly on historical asides, but that's no excuse.
I should have had a better process to make sure the write-through covered all the text that was not directly sourced.
I think what we'll do is publish those notes after all, online as they should have been to begin with.
'"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28459937</id>
	<title>Re:Plagiarism without attribution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245843420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Copying the text directly without putting quotes around it, but still citing the source.</p><p>That's plagiarism because he directly copied.  That's attributed because he cited a source.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Copying the text directly without putting quotes around it , but still citing the source.That 's plagiarism because he directly copied .
That 's attributed because he cited a source .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Copying the text directly without putting quotes around it, but still citing the source.That's plagiarism because he directly copied.
That's attributed because he cited a source.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454497</id>
	<title>Wikipedia?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245865980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can understand problems with trying to cite a web source.  Things like Wikipedia, you'd have to refer to a page in the history; the content is always being changed.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and vandalized.</p><p>My objection to the author would be more along the lines of "why didn't you look up the sources used by wikipedia?  Where IS the research?"  As Wikipedia has a policy against original research, anything reliable on it is by definition at least second-hand.  Is there a reason besides laziness that the author would not have indicated at least the sources given by wikipedia, if he could not do the research himself?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can understand problems with trying to cite a web source .
Things like Wikipedia , you 'd have to refer to a page in the history ; the content is always being changed .
... and vandalized.My objection to the author would be more along the lines of " why did n't you look up the sources used by wikipedia ?
Where IS the research ?
" As Wikipedia has a policy against original research , anything reliable on it is by definition at least second-hand .
Is there a reason besides laziness that the author would not have indicated at least the sources given by wikipedia , if he could not do the research himself ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can understand problems with trying to cite a web source.
Things like Wikipedia, you'd have to refer to a page in the history; the content is always being changed.
... and vandalized.My objection to the author would be more along the lines of "why didn't you look up the sources used by wikipedia?
Where IS the research?
"  As Wikipedia has a policy against original research, anything reliable on it is by definition at least second-hand.
Is there a reason besides laziness that the author would not have indicated at least the sources given by wikipedia, if he could not do the research himself?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28457355</id>
	<title>Re:Plagiarism</title>
	<author>NotBornYesterday</author>
	<datestamp>1245876240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>1) IF<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... big if.  If all works are derivative, where did they all derive from?
<br> <br>
2) Lifting sizeable chunks of text verbatim is stretching the definition of "derivative"
<br> <br>
3) Even if a work is derived from others, the proper thing to do is state the source of any unoriginal material.
<br> <br>
4) Never underestimate the entertainment value of poop-throwing.</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) IF ... big if .
If all works are derivative , where did they all derive from ?
2 ) Lifting sizeable chunks of text verbatim is stretching the definition of " derivative " 3 ) Even if a work is derived from others , the proper thing to do is state the source of any unoriginal material .
4 ) Never underestimate the entertainment value of poop-throwing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) IF ... big if.
If all works are derivative, where did they all derive from?
2) Lifting sizeable chunks of text verbatim is stretching the definition of "derivative"
 
3) Even if a work is derived from others, the proper thing to do is state the source of any unoriginal material.
4) Never underestimate the entertainment value of poop-throwing.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28455737</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot covers own ass (allegedly).</title>
	<author>eples</author>
	<datestamp>1245869940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Or they could do what Fox News does: <b>put a question mark at the end</b>.<br> <br>"Obama having affair with the Ayatollah<b>?</b>"</htmltext>
<tokenext>Or they could do what Fox News does : put a question mark at the end .
" Obama having affair with the Ayatollah ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or they could do what Fox News does: put a question mark at the end.
"Obama having affair with the Ayatollah?
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28467671</id>
	<title>Re:Only one way to respond</title>
	<author>SquirrelsUnite</author>
	<datestamp>1245950700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Boycott buying hard copies of the book, and make electronic copies <b>widely available via bittorent</b>. Simple test: If all the copied text was in quotes or italics, I would say he actually intended to attribute it. If not, it would appear that he was trying to claim it as is own, and only made up an excuse after he got caught. Which is it?</p></div><p>Why would you want to do that? It seems like he didn't bother to put serious work into his book (and tried to hide the fact by not citing his sources) so it's probably a waste of time to read it. You would be doing a disservice to anyone who downloaded it from you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Boycott buying hard copies of the book , and make electronic copies widely available via bittorent .
Simple test : If all the copied text was in quotes or italics , I would say he actually intended to attribute it .
If not , it would appear that he was trying to claim it as is own , and only made up an excuse after he got caught .
Which is it ? Why would you want to do that ?
It seems like he did n't bother to put serious work into his book ( and tried to hide the fact by not citing his sources ) so it 's probably a waste of time to read it .
You would be doing a disservice to anyone who downloaded it from you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Boycott buying hard copies of the book, and make electronic copies widely available via bittorent.
Simple test: If all the copied text was in quotes or italics, I would say he actually intended to attribute it.
If not, it would appear that he was trying to claim it as is own, and only made up an excuse after he got caught.
Which is it?Why would you want to do that?
It seems like he didn't bother to put serious work into his book (and tried to hide the fact by not citing his sources) so it's probably a waste of time to read it.
You would be doing a disservice to anyone who downloaded it from you.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454309</id>
	<title>Web citing made easy</title>
	<author>GMFTatsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1245865320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><em>Anderson responded, "All those are my screwups after we decided not to run notes as planned, due to my inability to find a good citation format for web sources... "</em></p><p><a href="http://www.zotero.org/" title="zotero.org" rel="nofollow">Zotero</a> [zotero.org], brother: a plugin for Firefox.   Makes citing online sources a breeze in any format you care to mention.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anderson responded , " All those are my screwups after we decided not to run notes as planned , due to my inability to find a good citation format for web sources... " Zotero [ zotero.org ] , brother : a plugin for Firefox .
Makes citing online sources a breeze in any format you care to mention .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anderson responded, "All those are my screwups after we decided not to run notes as planned, due to my inability to find a good citation format for web sources... "Zotero [zotero.org], brother: a plugin for Firefox.
Makes citing online sources a breeze in any format you care to mention.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28466725</id>
	<title>Is it really plagiarism if it isn't finished?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245946560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it plagiarism if it isn't finished?  It seems as if he will cite for the published copy. Obviously the review process pointed it out and he is taking steps to remedy it.   Drafts of documents may often contain inaccuracies and poorly referenced materials.  What's the big deal?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it plagiarism if it is n't finished ?
It seems as if he will cite for the published copy .
Obviously the review process pointed it out and he is taking steps to remedy it .
Drafts of documents may often contain inaccuracies and poorly referenced materials .
What 's the big deal ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it plagiarism if it isn't finished?
It seems as if he will cite for the published copy.
Obviously the review process pointed it out and he is taking steps to remedy it.
Drafts of documents may often contain inaccuracies and poorly referenced materials.
What's the big deal?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28455339</id>
	<title>Citations will be online?</title>
	<author>Xelios</author>
	<datestamp>1245868800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I had no idea you could put your citations somewhere <i>other</i> than with your work. Next time I hand in a term paper I'll just tape the citations to my door, should be fine!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I had no idea you could put your citations somewhere other than with your work .
Next time I hand in a term paper I 'll just tape the citations to my door , should be fine !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I had no idea you could put your citations somewhere other than with your work.
Next time I hand in a term paper I'll just tape the citations to my door, should be fine!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28455427</id>
	<title>let me google that for you...</title>
	<author>Chris Pimlott</author>
	<datestamp>1245869100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+to+cite+wikipedia&amp;l=1" title="lmgtfy.com">how to cite wikipedia</a> [lmgtfy.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>how to cite wikipedia [ lmgtfy.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how to cite wikipedia [lmgtfy.com]</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28455029</id>
	<title>Re:Incredible Insightful Comment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245867840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To utilize without citation is Plagiarism.  To utilize with citation is Research.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To utilize without citation is Plagiarism .
To utilize with citation is Research .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To utilize without citation is Plagiarism.
To utilize with citation is Research.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28455005</id>
	<title>Apparently I am a Book Author</title>
	<author>Orion Blastar</author>
	<datestamp>1245867780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=COZJlyahZaIC&amp;pg=PA63&amp;lpg=PA63&amp;dq=orion+blastar+c\%23&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=yhwjyGD7ID&amp;sig=wIzixdB3DZt1EqFpLpN0Gm4VSyw&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=JWBCSuHDNYGUMsOb9cAH&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book\_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=6" title="google.com">I am cited as a minor author in this C# book</a> [google.com] just because I edited a Wikibook entry on C# Programming, and then it got published later.</p><p>I received no money but at least I got credit.</p><p>I am trying to write my own book or books, I forgot how to use the APA format for web citations, but I will do research to learn it all over again, I hope. But my book is a work of fiction and parody, so maybe citations are not needed? What say you Slashdot?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am cited as a minor author in this C # book [ google.com ] just because I edited a Wikibook entry on C # Programming , and then it got published later.I received no money but at least I got credit.I am trying to write my own book or books , I forgot how to use the APA format for web citations , but I will do research to learn it all over again , I hope .
But my book is a work of fiction and parody , so maybe citations are not needed ?
What say you Slashdot ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am cited as a minor author in this C# book [google.com] just because I edited a Wikibook entry on C# Programming, and then it got published later.I received no money but at least I got credit.I am trying to write my own book or books, I forgot how to use the APA format for web citations, but I will do research to learn it all over again, I hope.
But my book is a work of fiction and parody, so maybe citations are not needed?
What say you Slashdot?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28457429</id>
	<title>Re:I thought piracy was okay?</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1245876540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Information only wants to be free if it was created by J.K.Rowling, Evuhl Korparatiunz and that old guy that wrote "Farenheit 451".  Pirate their works all you wish.</p><p>Otherwise, kill all the leeching bastards!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Information only wants to be free if it was created by J.K.Rowling , Evuhl Korparatiunz and that old guy that wrote " Farenheit 451 " .
Pirate their works all you wish.Otherwise , kill all the leeching bastards !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Information only wants to be free if it was created by J.K.Rowling, Evuhl Korparatiunz and that old guy that wrote "Farenheit 451".
Pirate their works all you wish.Otherwise, kill all the leeching bastards!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454929</id>
	<title>Re:Plagiarism</title>
	<author>ObsessiveMathsFreak</author>
	<datestamp>1245867480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree. The term is largely meaningless if you accept all works are derivative.</p><p>Seems its only use is as writer's equivalent of gorilla feces-pitching.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
The term is largely meaningless if you accept all works are derivative.Seems its only use is as writer 's equivalent of gorilla feces-pitching .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
The term is largely meaningless if you accept all works are derivative.Seems its only use is as writer's equivalent of gorilla feces-pitching.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454325</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454503</id>
	<title>Fp Co3k</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245866040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">consider worthwhile see. The number Keep unnecessary</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>consider worthwhile see .
The number Keep unnecessary [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>consider worthwhile see.
The number Keep unnecessary [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28456229</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>clint999</author>
	<datestamp>1245871800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Took me a second but now I wish I had a few more points to give you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Took me a second but now I wish I had a few more points to give you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Took me a second but now I wish I had a few more points to give you.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28455199</id>
	<title>wkipedia guidelines</title>
	<author>zmnatz</author>
	<datestamp>1245868380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought wikipedia was free to use however people want as long as the people who use it do the same? Wouldn't this fall under that situation since the guy is offering the digital copy of the book for free. Correct me if I'm wrong which I probably am.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought wikipedia was free to use however people want as long as the people who use it do the same ?
Would n't this fall under that situation since the guy is offering the digital copy of the book for free .
Correct me if I 'm wrong which I probably am .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought wikipedia was free to use however people want as long as the people who use it do the same?
Wouldn't this fall under that situation since the guy is offering the digital copy of the book for free.
Correct me if I'm wrong which I probably am.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28456355</id>
	<title>SO?</title>
	<author>cdrguru</author>
	<datestamp>1245872280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We are building an entire world from the ground up where everyone believes they are free to use (borrow, steal, whatever) anything they can find on the Internet in whatever way they feel like.</p><p>Music, movies, books, software, whatever.  The idea of creative ownership - <i>I</i> created this and therefore nobody else can use it unless <i>I</i> say so - is rapidly disappearing in younger people's minds.  The result of this is of course there will be lots of "unattributed use" because when nobody respects this kind of ownership, there isn't any reason not to.</p><p>So plagiarism is just the first step.  Expect to see more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We are building an entire world from the ground up where everyone believes they are free to use ( borrow , steal , whatever ) anything they can find on the Internet in whatever way they feel like.Music , movies , books , software , whatever .
The idea of creative ownership - I created this and therefore nobody else can use it unless I say so - is rapidly disappearing in younger people 's minds .
The result of this is of course there will be lots of " unattributed use " because when nobody respects this kind of ownership , there is n't any reason not to.So plagiarism is just the first step .
Expect to see more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are building an entire world from the ground up where everyone believes they are free to use (borrow, steal, whatever) anything they can find on the Internet in whatever way they feel like.Music, movies, books, software, whatever.
The idea of creative ownership - I created this and therefore nobody else can use it unless I say so - is rapidly disappearing in younger people's minds.
The result of this is of course there will be lots of "unattributed use" because when nobody respects this kind of ownership, there isn't any reason not to.So plagiarism is just the first step.
Expect to see more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454601</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot covers own ass (allegedly).</title>
	<author>cathars1s</author>
	<datestamp>1245866280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Couldn't we just call it a spade?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Could n't we just call it a spade ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Couldn't we just call it a spade?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28457205</id>
	<title>Re:I thought piracy was okay?</title>
	<author>NotBornYesterday</author>
	<datestamp>1245875700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's not about copyright, it's about attribution.  Most folks on Slashdot generally support giving credit where credit is due.
<br> <br>
I wonder if he didn't cite Wikipedia as a source because he was embarrassed to admit he cribbed from a source that even 7th graders are told not to use on school research assignments.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not about copyright , it 's about attribution .
Most folks on Slashdot generally support giving credit where credit is due .
I wonder if he did n't cite Wikipedia as a source because he was embarrassed to admit he cribbed from a source that even 7th graders are told not to use on school research assignments .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not about copyright, it's about attribution.
Most folks on Slashdot generally support giving credit where credit is due.
I wonder if he didn't cite Wikipedia as a source because he was embarrassed to admit he cribbed from a source that even 7th graders are told not to use on school research assignments.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28456221</id>
	<title>Publisher didn't use TurnItIn.</title>
	<author>Animats</author>
	<datestamp>1245871740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The publisher should have used <a href="http://www.turnitin.com/" title="turnitin.com">TurnItIn</a> [turnitin.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The publisher should have used TurnItIn [ turnitin.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The publisher should have used TurnItIn [turnitin.com].</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28463797</id>
	<title>It's funny how this vanished off the front page.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245962880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hmmmm.  I smell a lawyer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmmmm .
I smell a lawyer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmmmm.
I smell a lawyer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454171</id>
	<title>Inability to cite web???</title>
	<author>clifyt</author>
	<datestamp>1245864900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"All those are my screwups after we decided not to run notes as planned, due to my inability to find a good citation format for web sources"</p><p>Really...because almost every form of writing style has web formats as a cite style these days.</p><p>Hell, I use APA style, but it isn't much harder in MLA (the two biggest styles)...and it isn't hard to find even more...</p><p>I wouldn't call this plagiarism, just lazy...and honestly, I know I've been lazy myself at times and screwed up (as I double check my thesis before handing it in tonight to make certain this hasn't happened to me!!!)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" All those are my screwups after we decided not to run notes as planned , due to my inability to find a good citation format for web sources " Really...because almost every form of writing style has web formats as a cite style these days.Hell , I use APA style , but it is n't much harder in MLA ( the two biggest styles ) ...and it is n't hard to find even more...I would n't call this plagiarism , just lazy...and honestly , I know I 've been lazy myself at times and screwed up ( as I double check my thesis before handing it in tonight to make certain this has n't happened to me ! ! !
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"All those are my screwups after we decided not to run notes as planned, due to my inability to find a good citation format for web sources"Really...because almost every form of writing style has web formats as a cite style these days.Hell, I use APA style, but it isn't much harder in MLA (the two biggest styles)...and it isn't hard to find even more...I wouldn't call this plagiarism, just lazy...and honestly, I know I've been lazy myself at times and screwed up (as I double check my thesis before handing it in tonight to make certain this hasn't happened to me!!!
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28455779</id>
	<title>Re:Incredible Insightful Comment</title>
	<author>Nixoloco</author>
	<datestamp>1245870060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I just plagiarized from Tom Lehr.</p></div><p>
I think you are doing it wrong.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just plagiarized from Tom Lehr .
I think you are doing it wrong .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just plagiarized from Tom Lehr.
I think you are doing it wrong.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28455677</id>
	<title>Re:Wikipedia?</title>
	<author>GMFTatsujin</author>
	<datestamp>1245869820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've only used MLA and APA formats myself, but when citing a web source, the citation format explicitly provides for a retrieved-on date.  It's a concession to the fluid nature of the web.  I expect any other contemporary citation format worth its salt will do the same.</p><p>Some web sources are primary, by the way.  There's no paper copy of my own web works, so if anyone thought I'd written something worth citing, they'd have to use a URL to cite it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've only used MLA and APA formats myself , but when citing a web source , the citation format explicitly provides for a retrieved-on date .
It 's a concession to the fluid nature of the web .
I expect any other contemporary citation format worth its salt will do the same.Some web sources are primary , by the way .
There 's no paper copy of my own web works , so if anyone thought I 'd written something worth citing , they 'd have to use a URL to cite it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've only used MLA and APA formats myself, but when citing a web source, the citation format explicitly provides for a retrieved-on date.
It's a concession to the fluid nature of the web.
I expect any other contemporary citation format worth its salt will do the same.Some web sources are primary, by the way.
There's no paper copy of my own web works, so if anyone thought I'd written something worth citing, they'd have to use a URL to cite it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28458943</id>
	<title>Re:Wikipedia?</title>
	<author>ChaosDiscord</author>
	<datestamp>1245838920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Things like Wikipedia, you'd have to refer to a page in the history; the content is always being changed.</p></div></blockquote><p>Books change too, just more slowly.    If I refer to a print encyclopedia, I better at least refer to a specific year, the article may be updated next year.  It can even be a problem for fiction.  If you don't cite publisher and publication location, and you cite that <em>Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire</em> contains references to  "pudding" and "biscuits" <a href="http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/books/gf/differences-gf.html" title="hp-lexicon.org">anyone checking your citation in the US release</a> [hp-lexicon.org] will be unable to confirm it.  <a href="http://www.hp-lexicon.org/about/books/differences.html" title="hp-lexicon.org">Rowling made changes after the books were published</a> [hp-lexicon.org], a good reminder to the importance of publication year and edition number.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Things like Wikipedia , you 'd have to refer to a page in the history ; the content is always being changed.Books change too , just more slowly .
If I refer to a print encyclopedia , I better at least refer to a specific year , the article may be updated next year .
It can even be a problem for fiction .
If you do n't cite publisher and publication location , and you cite that Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire contains references to " pudding " and " biscuits " anyone checking your citation in the US release [ hp-lexicon.org ] will be unable to confirm it .
Rowling made changes after the books were published [ hp-lexicon.org ] , a good reminder to the importance of publication year and edition number .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Things like Wikipedia, you'd have to refer to a page in the history; the content is always being changed.Books change too, just more slowly.
If I refer to a print encyclopedia, I better at least refer to a specific year, the article may be updated next year.
It can even be a problem for fiction.
If you don't cite publisher and publication location, and you cite that Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire contains references to  "pudding" and "biscuits" anyone checking your citation in the US release [hp-lexicon.org] will be unable to confirm it.
Rowling made changes after the books were published [hp-lexicon.org], a good reminder to the importance of publication year and edition number.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454581</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot covers own ass (allegedly).</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245866280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why don't we just call it a spade?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do n't we just call it a spade ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why don't we just call it a spade?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28456721</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot covers own ass (allegedly).</title>
	<author>tepples</author>
	<datestamp>1245873720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>accidental non-citation is still plagiarism</p></div><p>If I'm writing something, how can I make sure that I don't accidentally non-cite?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>accidental non-citation is still plagiarismIf I 'm writing something , how can I make sure that I do n't accidentally non-cite ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>accidental non-citation is still plagiarismIf I'm writing something, how can I make sure that I don't accidentally non-cite?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28455507</id>
	<title>APA</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245869280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I recently finished my degree, and the issue of citing the web always came up, because of changing content or the deletion of content, etc.<br>But we were OK, so long as we cited the content, which is why our professors made us use APA formatting...it provides a simple and easy way of citing the web  as a source.<br>I am surprised that a Writer doesn't know that...<br>or that an Editor would let it slide...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I recently finished my degree , and the issue of citing the web always came up , because of changing content or the deletion of content , etc.But we were OK , so long as we cited the content , which is why our professors made us use APA formatting...it provides a simple and easy way of citing the web as a source.I am surprised that a Writer does n't know that...or that an Editor would let it slide.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I recently finished my degree, and the issue of citing the web always came up, because of changing content or the deletion of content, etc.But we were OK, so long as we cited the content, which is why our professors made us use APA formatting...it provides a simple and easy way of citing the web  as a source.I am surprised that a Writer doesn't know that...or that an Editor would let it slide...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28455597</id>
	<title>cite or incite..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245869580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>to neglect to cite a site from something worthy to recite shows little insight. I do not mean to incite but this will likely be modded out of sight... anyway</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>to neglect to cite a site from something worthy to recite shows little insight .
I do not mean to incite but this will likely be modded out of sight... anyway</tokentext>
<sentencetext>to neglect to cite a site from something worthy to recite shows little insight.
I do not mean to incite but this will likely be modded out of sight... anyway</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28455479</id>
	<title>Umm...Free?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245869220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The great irony here is that it seems the book isn't freely available online, unlike Lawrence Lessig's Free Culture.</p><p>So a book about how information should be free is, itself, not freely available.  Hey, it costs money to tell you how everything should be free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The great irony here is that it seems the book is n't freely available online , unlike Lawrence Lessig 's Free Culture.So a book about how information should be free is , itself , not freely available .
Hey , it costs money to tell you how everything should be free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The great irony here is that it seems the book isn't freely available online, unlike Lawrence Lessig's Free Culture.So a book about how information should be free is, itself, not freely available.
Hey, it costs money to tell you how everything should be free.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28456459</id>
	<title>Re:Web citing made easy</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1245872760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is silly.  Almost every web page that is expected to be cited has the proper citation listed on the page.
<p>
Specifically Wikipedia has a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Cite?page=" title="wikipedia.org">cite this page</a> [wikipedia.org] link in the left nav.  For instance we can cite the article on <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Cite&amp;page=Slashdot&amp;id=297276354" title="wikipedia.org">.  Once on the cite page, we can choose from any number of common citation formats.  Just choose one that is acceptable.  Saying they are all bad is pretty much aaying that any method of citation is bad.
</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>
This is just a typical case of not wanted to cite a source.  This is typical of casual writing.  No wants to take the time and resources to cite where the information came from.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is silly .
Almost every web page that is expected to be cited has the proper citation listed on the page .
Specifically Wikipedia has a cite this page [ wikipedia.org ] link in the left nav .
For instance we can cite the article on .
Once on the cite page , we can choose from any number of common citation formats .
Just choose one that is acceptable .
Saying they are all bad is pretty much aaying that any method of citation is bad .
[ wikipedia.org ] This is just a typical case of not wanted to cite a source .
This is typical of casual writing .
No wants to take the time and resources to cite where the information came from .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is silly.
Almost every web page that is expected to be cited has the proper citation listed on the page.
Specifically Wikipedia has a cite this page [wikipedia.org] link in the left nav.
For instance we can cite the article on .
Once on the cite page, we can choose from any number of common citation formats.
Just choose one that is acceptable.
Saying they are all bad is pretty much aaying that any method of citation is bad.
[wikipedia.org]
This is just a typical case of not wanted to cite a source.
This is typical of casual writing.
No wants to take the time and resources to cite where the information came from.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454169</id>
	<title>Time Warp!</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1245864900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>

I <a href="http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?\_r=1&amp;res=9407EEDA133EE43BBC4851DFB466838E669FDE" title="nytimes.com" rel="nofollow">found the February 20th, 1875 article</a> [nytimes.com] online that both Anderson &amp; Wikipedia excerpted and it was actually pretty interesting to read.  In college I had an English composition teacher that had us dig up old Microfiche and select an interesting article and write an essay on it.  I found one that was an article of the execution of a slave convicted of rape and murder.  It was amazing to find out that the details of the rape and murder obviously sold newspapers then just as much as they do today.  <br> <br>

What is really interesting is that even though this article is 140 years old, they still ended the soft articles on a light note (maybe I notice this because the Onion mocks it so often?).  The last few sentences:<p><div class="quote"><p>I related to Mr. Lacoume the conversation which I had overheard between the old Frenchman and the waiter, and asked him if he had many discontented customers.  "Oh yes," he replied laughing, "there are at least a dozen old fellows who come here every day, take one fifteen cent drink, eat a dinner which would cost them $1 in a restaurant, and then complain that the beef is tough or the potatoes water."  Mr. Lacoume confirmed the statement that thousands of people in New-Orleans live on free lunches.</p></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I found the February 20th , 1875 article [ nytimes.com ] online that both Anderson &amp; Wikipedia excerpted and it was actually pretty interesting to read .
In college I had an English composition teacher that had us dig up old Microfiche and select an interesting article and write an essay on it .
I found one that was an article of the execution of a slave convicted of rape and murder .
It was amazing to find out that the details of the rape and murder obviously sold newspapers then just as much as they do today .
What is really interesting is that even though this article is 140 years old , they still ended the soft articles on a light note ( maybe I notice this because the Onion mocks it so often ? ) .
The last few sentences : I related to Mr. Lacoume the conversation which I had overheard between the old Frenchman and the waiter , and asked him if he had many discontented customers .
" Oh yes , " he replied laughing , " there are at least a dozen old fellows who come here every day , take one fifteen cent drink , eat a dinner which would cost them $ 1 in a restaurant , and then complain that the beef is tough or the potatoes water .
" Mr. Lacoume confirmed the statement that thousands of people in New-Orleans live on free lunches .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

I found the February 20th, 1875 article [nytimes.com] online that both Anderson &amp; Wikipedia excerpted and it was actually pretty interesting to read.
In college I had an English composition teacher that had us dig up old Microfiche and select an interesting article and write an essay on it.
I found one that was an article of the execution of a slave convicted of rape and murder.
It was amazing to find out that the details of the rape and murder obviously sold newspapers then just as much as they do today.
What is really interesting is that even though this article is 140 years old, they still ended the soft articles on a light note (maybe I notice this because the Onion mocks it so often?).
The last few sentences:I related to Mr. Lacoume the conversation which I had overheard between the old Frenchman and the waiter, and asked him if he had many discontented customers.
"Oh yes," he replied laughing, "there are at least a dozen old fellows who come here every day, take one fifteen cent drink, eat a dinner which would cost them $1 in a restaurant, and then complain that the beef is tough or the potatoes water.
"  Mr. Lacoume confirmed the statement that thousands of people in New-Orleans live on free lunches.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454267</id>
	<title>Slashdot covers own ass (allegedly).</title>
	<author>wild\_quinine</author>
	<datestamp>1245865200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Nice cover with the 'alleged' in the title and all... but accidental non-citation is still plagiarism, I do believe. Therefore, since he's admitted himself, it's pretty much not 'alleged' any more. I don't care to share an opinion on the act, but I think we can safely call a spade a spare.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice cover with the 'alleged ' in the title and all... but accidental non-citation is still plagiarism , I do believe .
Therefore , since he 's admitted himself , it 's pretty much not 'alleged ' any more .
I do n't care to share an opinion on the act , but I think we can safely call a spade a spare .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice cover with the 'alleged' in the title and all... but accidental non-citation is still plagiarism, I do believe.
Therefore, since he's admitted himself, it's pretty much not 'alleged' any more.
I don't care to share an opinion on the act, but I think we can safely call a spade a spare.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28462051</id>
	<title>Re:Only one way to respond</title>
	<author>pbhj</author>
	<datestamp>1245857400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You too would be infringing the rights of the original writers, particularly the right to be named as author of their work. I think they waive that right under GFDL (old Wikipedia license) but you must distribute the license with the work. Others appear to say that Wikipedia license now allows work licensed as CC-BY-SA 3.0 so you'd need to state the authors of the sections and make available any modifications under the same license - this can be pretty hard to establish for Wikipedia.</p><p>I'm sure someone will correct my errrors fr mee.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You too would be infringing the rights of the original writers , particularly the right to be named as author of their work .
I think they waive that right under GFDL ( old Wikipedia license ) but you must distribute the license with the work .
Others appear to say that Wikipedia license now allows work licensed as CC-BY-SA 3.0 so you 'd need to state the authors of the sections and make available any modifications under the same license - this can be pretty hard to establish for Wikipedia.I 'm sure someone will correct my errrors fr mee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You too would be infringing the rights of the original writers, particularly the right to be named as author of their work.
I think they waive that right under GFDL (old Wikipedia license) but you must distribute the license with the work.
Others appear to say that Wikipedia license now allows work licensed as CC-BY-SA 3.0 so you'd need to state the authors of the sections and make available any modifications under the same license - this can be pretty hard to establish for Wikipedia.I'm sure someone will correct my errrors fr mee.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28457061</id>
	<title>mod 0p</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245875160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">of America (GNAA) contamiNyated while of the founders of more stable the problems exactly what you've big picture. What Usenet posts. Goodbye...she had</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>of America ( GNAA ) contamiNyated while of the founders of more stable the problems exactly what you 've big picture .
What Usenet posts .
Goodbye...she had [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>of America (GNAA) contamiNyated while of the founders of more stable the problems exactly what you've big picture.
What Usenet posts.
Goodbye...she had [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28465533</id>
	<title>Purdue's OWL (Online Writing Lab) has what he need</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245940320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> "All those are my screwups after we decided not to run notes as planned, due to my inability to find a good citation format for web sources..."</p><p>Uhh. OK. Purdue's Online Writing Lab (OWL) has guidelines for this: <a href="http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/584/03/" title="purdue.edu" rel="nofollow">http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/584/03/</a> [purdue.edu].</p><p>And they've got a hell of a lot more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" All those are my screwups after we decided not to run notes as planned , due to my inability to find a good citation format for web sources... " Uhh .
OK. Purdue 's Online Writing Lab ( OWL ) has guidelines for this : http : //owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/584/03/ [ purdue.edu ] .And they 've got a hell of a lot more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> "All those are my screwups after we decided not to run notes as planned, due to my inability to find a good citation format for web sources..."Uhh.
OK. Purdue's Online Writing Lab (OWL) has guidelines for this: http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/584/03/ [purdue.edu].And they've got a hell of a lot more.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454325</id>
	<title>Plagiarism</title>
	<author>oldhack</author>
	<datestamp>1245865380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The term is largely meaningless if you accept all works are derivative.
</p><p>
Seems its only use is as writer's equivalent of gorilla feces-pitching.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The term is largely meaningless if you accept all works are derivative .
Seems its only use is as writer 's equivalent of gorilla feces-pitching .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The term is largely meaningless if you accept all works are derivative.
Seems its only use is as writer's equivalent of gorilla feces-pitching.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454065</id>
	<title>It's not plagiarism...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245864480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a "mashup"...</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a " mashup " .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a "mashup"...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28459865</id>
	<title>Re:Plagiarism without attribution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245843000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Plagiarism with incorrect or misleading attribution?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Plagiarism with incorrect or misleading attribution ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Plagiarism with incorrect or misleading attribution?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454729</id>
	<title>I thought piracy was okay?</title>
	<author>bonch</author>
	<datestamp>1245866820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm confused.  I thought copyright was evil and should be abolished, so why should we care if he copied anything?  Slashdot posts daily pro-piracy, anti-copyright articles, so forgive me if I'm a little perplexed by the <a href="http://games.slashdot.org/story/09/06/24/1449254/Atari-Sub-Sub-Contractor-Used-ScummVM-For-Wii-Game" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">double standards</a> [slashdot.org] around here when it comes to which situations where you suddenly want copyrights enforced.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm confused .
I thought copyright was evil and should be abolished , so why should we care if he copied anything ?
Slashdot posts daily pro-piracy , anti-copyright articles , so forgive me if I 'm a little perplexed by the double standards [ slashdot.org ] around here when it comes to which situations where you suddenly want copyrights enforced .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm confused.
I thought copyright was evil and should be abolished, so why should we care if he copied anything?
Slashdot posts daily pro-piracy, anti-copyright articles, so forgive me if I'm a little perplexed by the double standards [slashdot.org] around here when it comes to which situations where you suddenly want copyrights enforced.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454577</id>
	<title>Students - try Zotero.</title>
	<author>langelgjm</author>
	<datestamp>1245866280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seriously - if you are a student who writes anything of any length, check out Zotero. It's not just web citations, it can pull information from your library database, online databases like EBSCO, HeinOnline, etc. Use the word processor integration as well, it will save you hours of work.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously - if you are a student who writes anything of any length , check out Zotero .
It 's not just web citations , it can pull information from your library database , online databases like EBSCO , HeinOnline , etc .
Use the word processor integration as well , it will save you hours of work .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously - if you are a student who writes anything of any length, check out Zotero.
It's not just web citations, it can pull information from your library database, online databases like EBSCO, HeinOnline, etc.
Use the word processor integration as well, it will save you hours of work.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454055</id>
	<title>first plagiarised post</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245864480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Blogger Waldo Jaquith alleges in his blog that Chris Anderson, Wired magazine's editor-in-chief and writer of The Long Tail, has apparently plagiarized content from various sources without attribution for his soon-to-be-published book. 'In the course of reading Chris Anderson's new book, Free: The Future of a Radical Price, for a review in an upcoming issue of VQR, we have discovered almost a dozen passages that are reproduced nearly verbatim from uncredited sources.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Most of the passages, but not all, come from Wikipedia.' When questioned about the similar passages, Anderson responded, "All those are my screwups after we decided not to run notes as planned, due to my inability to find a good citation format for web sources... As you'll note, these are mostly on the margins of the book's focus, mostly on historical asides, but that's no excuse. I should have had a better process to make sure the write-through covered all the text that was not directly sourced. I think what we'll do is publish those notes after all, online as they should have been to begin with.'</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Blogger Waldo Jaquith alleges in his blog that Chris Anderson , Wired magazine 's editor-in-chief and writer of The Long Tail , has apparently plagiarized content from various sources without attribution for his soon-to-be-published book .
'In the course of reading Chris Anderson 's new book , Free : The Future of a Radical Price , for a review in an upcoming issue of VQR , we have discovered almost a dozen passages that are reproduced nearly verbatim from uncredited sources .
... Most of the passages , but not all , come from Wikipedia .
' When questioned about the similar passages , Anderson responded , " All those are my screwups after we decided not to run notes as planned , due to my inability to find a good citation format for web sources... As you 'll note , these are mostly on the margins of the book 's focus , mostly on historical asides , but that 's no excuse .
I should have had a better process to make sure the write-through covered all the text that was not directly sourced .
I think what we 'll do is publish those notes after all , online as they should have been to begin with .
'</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Blogger Waldo Jaquith alleges in his blog that Chris Anderson, Wired magazine's editor-in-chief and writer of The Long Tail, has apparently plagiarized content from various sources without attribution for his soon-to-be-published book.
'In the course of reading Chris Anderson's new book, Free: The Future of a Radical Price, for a review in an upcoming issue of VQR, we have discovered almost a dozen passages that are reproduced nearly verbatim from uncredited sources.
... Most of the passages, but not all, come from Wikipedia.
' When questioned about the similar passages, Anderson responded, "All those are my screwups after we decided not to run notes as planned, due to my inability to find a good citation format for web sources... As you'll note, these are mostly on the margins of the book's focus, mostly on historical asides, but that's no excuse.
I should have had a better process to make sure the write-through covered all the text that was not directly sourced.
I think what we'll do is publish those notes after all, online as they should have been to begin with.
'</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454705</id>
	<title>Only one way to respond</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245866700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Boycott buying hard copies of the book, and make electronic copies widely available via bittorent. Simple test: If all the copied text was in quotes or italics, I would say he actually intended to attribute it. If not, it would appear that he was trying to claim it as is own, and only made up an excuse after he got caught. Which is it?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Boycott buying hard copies of the book , and make electronic copies widely available via bittorent .
Simple test : If all the copied text was in quotes or italics , I would say he actually intended to attribute it .
If not , it would appear that he was trying to claim it as is own , and only made up an excuse after he got caught .
Which is it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Boycott buying hard copies of the book, and make electronic copies widely available via bittorent.
Simple test: If all the copied text was in quotes or italics, I would say he actually intended to attribute it.
If not, it would appear that he was trying to claim it as is own, and only made up an excuse after he got caught.
Which is it?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454607</id>
	<title>Re:Inability to cite web???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245866340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Only idiots cite Wikipedia anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Only idiots cite Wikipedia anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Only idiots cite Wikipedia anyway.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28455289</id>
	<title>Re:It's not plagiarism...</title>
	<author>DevoidOfWindows</author>
	<datestamp>1245868620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>"Plagiarism is copying from one source.  Research is copying from many."  Ah, another snappy witticism on Slashdot.  More accurately, plagiarism is representing another's specific work or idea as your own.  Allow me to demonstrate.  Now, if I give you permission to copy, word-for-word, something I wrote and to publish and use it without citing the source, there is no plagiarism.  Right?  I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything; just clarifying.  Anyway, I think that even permitted reproduction of ideas would be considered plagiarism if it was done without actual citation.  And, clearly, it's perfectly fine to build on the ideas of others -- as we all know, that's the foundation of academia -- but only as long as you don't pass off that work as your own.  If you don't give credit, then it may well constitue plagiarism, even when done with permission.  Plus, to steal a great quote, without citation, "Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?"  Well, I suppose you could always say that it's a "mashup"...</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" Plagiarism is copying from one source .
Research is copying from many .
" Ah , another snappy witticism on Slashdot .
More accurately , plagiarism is representing another 's specific work or idea as your own .
Allow me to demonstrate .
Now , if I give you permission to copy , word-for-word , something I wrote and to publish and use it without citing the source , there is no plagiarism .
Right ? I 'm not trying to pick a fight or anything ; just clarifying .
Anyway , I think that even permitted reproduction of ideas would be considered plagiarism if it was done without actual citation .
And , clearly , it 's perfectly fine to build on the ideas of others -- as we all know , that 's the foundation of academia -- but only as long as you do n't pass off that work as your own .
If you do n't give credit , then it may well constitue plagiarism , even when done with permission .
Plus , to steal a great quote , without citation , " Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe ?
" Well , I suppose you could always say that it 's a " mashup " .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Plagiarism is copying from one source.
Research is copying from many.
"  Ah, another snappy witticism on Slashdot.
More accurately, plagiarism is representing another's specific work or idea as your own.
Allow me to demonstrate.
Now, if I give you permission to copy, word-for-word, something I wrote and to publish and use it without citing the source, there is no plagiarism.
Right?  I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything; just clarifying.
Anyway, I think that even permitted reproduction of ideas would be considered plagiarism if it was done without actual citation.
And, clearly, it's perfectly fine to build on the ideas of others -- as we all know, that's the foundation of academia -- but only as long as you don't pass off that work as your own.
If you don't give credit, then it may well constitue plagiarism, even when done with permission.
Plus, to steal a great quote, without citation, "Who is the Journal of Quantum Physics going to believe?
"  Well, I suppose you could always say that it's a "mashup"...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454343</id>
	<title>Re:It's not plagiarism...</title>
	<author>Amazing Quantum Man</author>
	<datestamp>1245865380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's a "mashup"...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a " mashup " .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a "mashup"...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454665</id>
	<title>Plagiarism without attribution</title>
	<author>SheeEttin</author>
	<datestamp>1245866580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Chris Anderson<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... has apparently plagiarized content from various sources without attribution</p></div></blockquote><p>As opposed to...?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Chris Anderson ... has apparently plagiarized content from various sources without attributionAs opposed to... ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Chris Anderson ... has apparently plagiarized content from various sources without attributionAs opposed to...?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28458443</id>
	<title>Re:Incredible Insightful Comment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245837000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, because you cited him!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , because you cited him !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, because you cited him!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454445</id>
	<title>Incredible Insightful Comment</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245865740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>To utilize one source is Plagiarism.<br>
To utilize two is Research.<br> <br>
I just plagiarized from Tom Lehr.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To utilize one source is Plagiarism .
To utilize two is Research .
I just plagiarized from Tom Lehr .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To utilize one source is Plagiarism.
To utilize two is Research.
I just plagiarized from Tom Lehr.</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28462939</id>
	<title>Re:Inability to cite web???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245866040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>And even if his claim was true, that somehow he couldn't find an existing citation format that he deemed "good" (is that some Clintonian truth dodge, is he really saying "I thought all of the different formats I found sucked, so I decided to completely blow off any semblance of proper attribution."?), he could have devised his own format. Maybe he would have found himself incapable of devising a "good" citation format, but he darn sure could have cited the original sources <b>somehow</b>.</p><p>Wired out to fire him, plain and simple.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>And even if his claim was true , that somehow he could n't find an existing citation format that he deemed " good " ( is that some Clintonian truth dodge , is he really saying " I thought all of the different formats I found sucked , so I decided to completely blow off any semblance of proper attribution. " ?
) , he could have devised his own format .
Maybe he would have found himself incapable of devising a " good " citation format , but he darn sure could have cited the original sources somehow.Wired out to fire him , plain and simple .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And even if his claim was true, that somehow he couldn't find an existing citation format that he deemed "good" (is that some Clintonian truth dodge, is he really saying "I thought all of the different formats I found sucked, so I decided to completely blow off any semblance of proper attribution."?
), he could have devised his own format.
Maybe he would have found himself incapable of devising a "good" citation format, but he darn sure could have cited the original sources somehow.Wired out to fire him, plain and simple.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454773</id>
	<title>Re:Inability to cite web???</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245866940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Hell, I use APA style, but it isn't much harder in MLA (the two biggest styles)...and it isn't hard to find even more...</p></div></blockquote><p>Yeah, Chicago style, ALWD (a major style in legal works) have citation styles for web sources; in fact, I'd be surprised if there is a serious modern style manual that <i>doesn't</i> cover web citations. The excuse offered is ludicrous on its face.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hell , I use APA style , but it is n't much harder in MLA ( the two biggest styles ) ...and it is n't hard to find even more...Yeah , Chicago style , ALWD ( a major style in legal works ) have citation styles for web sources ; in fact , I 'd be surprised if there is a serious modern style manual that does n't cover web citations .
The excuse offered is ludicrous on its face .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hell, I use APA style, but it isn't much harder in MLA (the two biggest styles)...and it isn't hard to find even more...Yeah, Chicago style, ALWD (a major style in legal works) have citation styles for web sources; in fact, I'd be surprised if there is a serious modern style manual that doesn't cover web citations.
The excuse offered is ludicrous on its face.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_1528204.28454285</id>
	<title>Who cares?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245865260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I mean really, WHO CARES?</p><p>This is some blogger's book, not some scientific journal.  Nobody doing any serious scientific research is going to use his book as a source and have to verify the data.  And the people he's "stealing" from are some random Wikipedia guys who put their work out there for free for people to use how they see fit.  Is anything on Wikipedia copyrighted?  No.</p><p>In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter one iota if this guy cites his sources or not.</p><p>The only people that care about this kind of thing are academics who want attention.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean really , WHO CARES ? This is some blogger 's book , not some scientific journal .
Nobody doing any serious scientific research is going to use his book as a source and have to verify the data .
And the people he 's " stealing " from are some random Wikipedia guys who put their work out there for free for people to use how they see fit .
Is anything on Wikipedia copyrighted ?
No.In the grand scheme of things , it does n't matter one iota if this guy cites his sources or not.The only people that care about this kind of thing are academics who want attention .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean really, WHO CARES?This is some blogger's book, not some scientific journal.
Nobody doing any serious scientific research is going to use his book as a source and have to verify the data.
And the people he's "stealing" from are some random Wikipedia guys who put their work out there for free for people to use how they see fit.
Is anything on Wikipedia copyrighted?
No.In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter one iota if this guy cites his sources or not.The only people that care about this kind of thing are academics who want attention.</sentencetext>
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