<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_24_0045226</id>
	<title>Protesting China's Required Censorship Software</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1245845340000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="mailto:yessicalynne@gmail.com" rel="nofollow">dinoyum</a> writes <i>"Censorship in China is nothing new, but the level of action taken to force Chinese citizens to comply has garnered global recognition. China marked the date July 1st, 2009 as the day <a href="//yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/06/08/053230&amp;tid=153">manufacturers will be forced to install filtering software on all new PCs</a>. While many have resorted to digitally lashing out against <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green\_Dam\_Youth\_Escort">Green Dam</a>, Chinese artist and designer of the famous Bird's Nest at the Beijing Olympics, Ai Weiwei has decided upon a different approach. '[He wants] <a href="http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/china-and-its-neighbors/090623/meet-the-man-who-wants-shut-down-the-internet-china">a general internet strike</a> &mdash; no work, no games, no email or anything else online &mdash; for 24 hours on the date the government plans to require censorship software on all new computers, he says, will be a quiet act of rebellion. Not coincidentally, July 1 is the 88th anniversary of the Communist Party of China. Though he posted the idea, Ai wants to leave the meaning to those who participate. "I gave almost no explanation about why I'm doing it," Ai said. "I just give the structure and people will fill in their own meaning. I don't want to be political first. I wanted to set up an act that everyone can easily accept, and then realize the power later. I want people to see their own power," he said.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>dinoyum writes " Censorship in China is nothing new , but the level of action taken to force Chinese citizens to comply has garnered global recognition .
China marked the date July 1st , 2009 as the day manufacturers will be forced to install filtering software on all new PCs .
While many have resorted to digitally lashing out against Green Dam , Chinese artist and designer of the famous Bird 's Nest at the Beijing Olympics , Ai Weiwei has decided upon a different approach .
' [ He wants ] a general internet strike    no work , no games , no email or anything else online    for 24 hours on the date the government plans to require censorship software on all new computers , he says , will be a quiet act of rebellion .
Not coincidentally , July 1 is the 88th anniversary of the Communist Party of China .
Though he posted the idea , Ai wants to leave the meaning to those who participate .
" I gave almost no explanation about why I 'm doing it , " Ai said .
" I just give the structure and people will fill in their own meaning .
I do n't want to be political first .
I wanted to set up an act that everyone can easily accept , and then realize the power later .
I want people to see their own power , " he said .
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>dinoyum writes "Censorship in China is nothing new, but the level of action taken to force Chinese citizens to comply has garnered global recognition.
China marked the date July 1st, 2009 as the day manufacturers will be forced to install filtering software on all new PCs.
While many have resorted to digitally lashing out against Green Dam, Chinese artist and designer of the famous Bird's Nest at the Beijing Olympics, Ai Weiwei has decided upon a different approach.
'[He wants] a general internet strike — no work, no games, no email or anything else online — for 24 hours on the date the government plans to require censorship software on all new computers, he says, will be a quiet act of rebellion.
Not coincidentally, July 1 is the 88th anniversary of the Communist Party of China.
Though he posted the idea, Ai wants to leave the meaning to those who participate.
"I gave almost no explanation about why I'm doing it," Ai said.
"I just give the structure and people will fill in their own meaning.
I don't want to be political first.
I wanted to set up an act that everyone can easily accept, and then realize the power later.
I want people to see their own power," he said.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28455951</id>
	<title>Re:Option of Protesting from the Top Down?</title>
	<author>davester666</author>
	<datestamp>1245870600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The manufacturers have NO real interest in trying to evade this law.  China is too big of a market for them to risk any kind of possible restrictions on sales.</p><p>The first manufacturer that tries this sees all their merchandise helpfully confiscated by the Chinese gov't (which is a bonus, as they keep the equipment AND they show they are serious about the software being installed by the factory).  It won't take long for all the big companies to get back on their toes, belly to the trough...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The manufacturers have NO real interest in trying to evade this law .
China is too big of a market for them to risk any kind of possible restrictions on sales.The first manufacturer that tries this sees all their merchandise helpfully confiscated by the Chinese gov't ( which is a bonus , as they keep the equipment AND they show they are serious about the software being installed by the factory ) .
It wo n't take long for all the big companies to get back on their toes , belly to the trough.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The manufacturers have NO real interest in trying to evade this law.
China is too big of a market for them to risk any kind of possible restrictions on sales.The first manufacturer that tries this sees all their merchandise helpfully confiscated by the Chinese gov't (which is a bonus, as they keep the equipment AND they show they are serious about the software being installed by the factory).
It won't take long for all the big companies to get back on their toes, belly to the trough...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28452411</id>
	<title>Re:Not mandatory anymore</title>
	<author>macbeth66</author>
	<datestamp>1245858360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Having said that, it's a free country, and he can protest whatever he wants... Wait, no... I'll be back to you on that one.</p></div><p>You'll have a long wait.  China is nothing more than a slave state.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Having said that , it 's a free country , and he can protest whatever he wants... Wait , no... I 'll be back to you on that one.You 'll have a long wait .
China is nothing more than a slave state .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having said that, it's a free country, and he can protest whatever he wants... Wait, no... I'll be back to you on that one.You'll have a long wait.
China is nothing more than a slave state.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451115</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451417</id>
	<title>Re:Not mandatory anymore</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245852480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I will install the software, get the list of blocked websites, import them to my bookmark, and then uninstall.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I will install the software , get the list of blocked websites , import them to my bookmark , and then uninstall .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I will install the software, get the list of blocked websites, import them to my bookmark, and then uninstall.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451585</id>
	<title>Re:Not mandatory anymore</title>
	<author>Dotnaught</author>
	<datestamp>1245853860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apparently the Chinese government has backpedaled on its backpedaling: <a href="http://www.informationweek.com/news/security/government/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=218100983" title="informationweek.com">The Green Dam mandate stands</a> [informationweek.com].</p><p>It's likely however that the government will change its mind at the last minute. There's precedent for brinkmanship in negotiations over cyber security rules in China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apparently the Chinese government has backpedaled on its backpedaling : The Green Dam mandate stands [ informationweek.com ] .It 's likely however that the government will change its mind at the last minute .
There 's precedent for brinkmanship in negotiations over cyber security rules in China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apparently the Chinese government has backpedaled on its backpedaling: The Green Dam mandate stands [informationweek.com].It's likely however that the government will change its mind at the last minute.
There's precedent for brinkmanship in negotiations over cyber security rules in China.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451067</id>
	<title>Futile</title>
	<author>Jaysyn</author>
	<datestamp>1245849120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For some reason I just don't think the MMORPG junkies will be able to tear themselves away for a whole day.  Or the daytraders.  China has daytraders, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For some reason I just do n't think the MMORPG junkies will be able to tear themselves away for a whole day .
Or the daytraders .
China has daytraders , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For some reason I just don't think the MMORPG junkies will be able to tear themselves away for a whole day.
Or the daytraders.
China has daytraders, right?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451179</id>
	<title>Green Damn Exploit</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245850560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i read that Green Dam has an exploit,  just search <a href="http://news.google.com/" title="google.com">Google\_News</a> [google.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>i read that Green Dam has an exploit , just search Google \ _News [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i read that Green Dam has an exploit,  just search Google\_News [google.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451561</id>
	<title>Re:Yo! American Capitalist Swine! Leave China to C</title>
	<author>Koreantoast</author>
	<datestamp>1245853620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>But what about Canadian and European Socialist Scum?  Don't forget our other fine friends here in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But what about Canadian and European Socialist Scum ?
Do n't forget our other fine friends here in / .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But what about Canadian and European Socialist Scum?
Don't forget our other fine friends here in /.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451131</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451155</id>
	<title>It will take a war</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245850380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think unless we are all willing to give our lives in a war to allow the chines people to have the freedoms we think they should have,no one really has anything to say. Nothing speaks better then actions. I'm personally against what the government of china is doing but,but why should i get upset when 95\% of its own people don't care,of are afraid to act.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think unless we are all willing to give our lives in a war to allow the chines people to have the freedoms we think they should have,no one really has anything to say .
Nothing speaks better then actions .
I 'm personally against what the government of china is doing but,but why should i get upset when 95 \ % of its own people do n't care,of are afraid to act .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think unless we are all willing to give our lives in a war to allow the chines people to have the freedoms we think they should have,no one really has anything to say.
Nothing speaks better then actions.
I'm personally against what the government of china is doing but,but why should i get upset when 95\% of its own people don't care,of are afraid to act.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451387</id>
	<title>OPTIMUS PRIME DIES AT THE END!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245852240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They bury him at sunset. LOL.  Fuck you all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They bury him at sunset .
LOL. Fuck you all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They bury him at sunset.
LOL.  Fuck you all.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451179</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28454775</id>
	<title>Re:Not mandatory anymore</title>
	<author>PhrkOnLsh</author>
	<datestamp>1245866940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This was on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. a week or two ago... Hence I am wondering WHY THE TFA IS EVEN HERE? e-e</htmltext>
<tokenext>This was on / .
a week or two ago... Hence I am wondering WHY THE TFA IS EVEN HERE ?
e-e</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This was on /.
a week or two ago... Hence I am wondering WHY THE TFA IS EVEN HERE?
e-e</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451115</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451131</id>
	<title>Yo! American Capitalist Swine!  Leave China to Chi</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245850020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yo! American Capitalist Swine!</p><p>Leave China to China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yo !
American Capitalist Swine ! Leave China to China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yo!
American Capitalist Swine!Leave China to China.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28457415</id>
	<title>You</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245876480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Remember: Green Dam is still not required for Linux (as there are no install Candidates)</p><p>I think the quote is finally fulfilled:<br>"Year of the Linux Desktop" (in China)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Remember : Green Dam is still not required for Linux ( as there are no install Candidates ) I think the quote is finally fulfilled : " Year of the Linux Desktop " ( in China )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Remember: Green Dam is still not required for Linux (as there are no install Candidates)I think the quote is finally fulfilled:"Year of the Linux Desktop" (in China)
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28452237</id>
	<title>Re:Option of Protesting from the Top Down?</title>
	<author>AndrewNeo</author>
	<datestamp>1245857580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>But my Blu-Ray drive can also play HD-DVDs<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</htmltext>
<tokenext>But my Blu-Ray drive can also play HD-DVDs : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But my Blu-Ray drive can also play HD-DVDs :(</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451063</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451055</id>
	<title>The Unfortunate Hurtles Ai Faces</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1245849000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Artist, government critic, blogger, Twitter pioneer. Now Ai Weiwei wants to shut down the internet for a day.</p></div><p>I wonder if his disappearance will be covered up as "performance art?"  <br> <br>

It's certainly a valiant idea, I wish him the best of luck.  It seems he'll need it:</p><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>... and news about the strike call has been scrubbed by censors from the most widely read sites.</p></div><p>I doubt it can but hopefully Twitter and word of mouth make this possible.  I would probably have to take the day off and walk around town in order to avoid internet usage all day<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... then again, I live under a less invasive government.  <br> <br>

I'm not clued into Chinese culture at all so all I know is that globally other news sources in other countries are criticizing this<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... but what is the majority feeling of the general Chinese populace?  Honestly there have been other things where I know at least some of the populace supported the Chinese government's actions to "watch out for them."  Ai needs to overcome those people, I have no idea if he's a lone voice or the voice of everyone's repressed thoughts.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Artist , government critic , blogger , Twitter pioneer .
Now Ai Weiwei wants to shut down the internet for a day.I wonder if his disappearance will be covered up as " performance art ?
" It 's certainly a valiant idea , I wish him the best of luck .
It seems he 'll need it : ... and news about the strike call has been scrubbed by censors from the most widely read sites.I doubt it can but hopefully Twitter and word of mouth make this possible .
I would probably have to take the day off and walk around town in order to avoid internet usage all day ... then again , I live under a less invasive government .
I 'm not clued into Chinese culture at all so all I know is that globally other news sources in other countries are criticizing this ... but what is the majority feeling of the general Chinese populace ?
Honestly there have been other things where I know at least some of the populace supported the Chinese government 's actions to " watch out for them .
" Ai needs to overcome those people , I have no idea if he 's a lone voice or the voice of everyone 's repressed thoughts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Artist, government critic, blogger, Twitter pioneer.
Now Ai Weiwei wants to shut down the internet for a day.I wonder if his disappearance will be covered up as "performance art?
"   

It's certainly a valiant idea, I wish him the best of luck.
It seems he'll need it: ... and news about the strike call has been scrubbed by censors from the most widely read sites.I doubt it can but hopefully Twitter and word of mouth make this possible.
I would probably have to take the day off and walk around town in order to avoid internet usage all day ... then again, I live under a less invasive government.
I'm not clued into Chinese culture at all so all I know is that globally other news sources in other countries are criticizing this ... but what is the majority feeling of the general Chinese populace?
Honestly there have been other things where I know at least some of the populace supported the Chinese government's actions to "watch out for them.
"  Ai needs to overcome those people, I have no idea if he's a lone voice or the voice of everyone's repressed thoughts.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451153</id>
	<title>Forget silient protest</title>
	<author>sakdoctor</author>
	<datestamp>1245850320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1. Ai Weiwei want you to get your ass behind a proxy, for the July 1st raid of critical government sites.<br>2. ???<br>3. Shit bricks!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
Ai Weiwei want you to get your ass behind a proxy , for the July 1st raid of critical government sites.2 .
? ? ? 3. Shit bricks !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
Ai Weiwei want you to get your ass behind a proxy, for the July 1st raid of critical government sites.2.
???3. Shit bricks!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451115</id>
	<title>Not mandatory anymore</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245849840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Due to all the international pressure and bad publicity gathered from the original move to mandate the installation of Green Dam on every computer, <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/globalbiz/blog/eyeonasia/archives/2009/06/china\_backtrack.html" title="businessweek.com" rel="nofollow">China backpedaled from the decision</a> [businessweek.com].<br>
So it seems weird to me that this kind of protests are being organized. It would make a lot more sense to educate people about how to uninstall the dam(n) software out of their machines, or why people should not willingly accept to install it under the usual "think of the children" argument.<br>
Having said that, it's a free country, and he can protest whatever he wants... Wait, no... I'll be back to you on that one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Due to all the international pressure and bad publicity gathered from the original move to mandate the installation of Green Dam on every computer , China backpedaled from the decision [ businessweek.com ] .
So it seems weird to me that this kind of protests are being organized .
It would make a lot more sense to educate people about how to uninstall the dam ( n ) software out of their machines , or why people should not willingly accept to install it under the usual " think of the children " argument .
Having said that , it 's a free country , and he can protest whatever he wants... Wait , no... I 'll be back to you on that one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Due to all the international pressure and bad publicity gathered from the original move to mandate the installation of Green Dam on every computer, China backpedaled from the decision [businessweek.com].
So it seems weird to me that this kind of protests are being organized.
It would make a lot more sense to educate people about how to uninstall the dam(n) software out of their machines, or why people should not willingly accept to install it under the usual "think of the children" argument.
Having said that, it's a free country, and he can protest whatever he wants... Wait, no... I'll be back to you on that one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28452997</id>
	<title>Re:The Unfortunate Hurtles Ai Faces</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245860820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think this is why anonymous browsing and secure transmissions are so important.  Maybe it's just me, but my eyes have really been opened to the need for a community based effort to allow those in repressed regimes access to modern communication.  If you have the skills, and the desire you should check out how you can help.  <br> <br>
#irantech on irc.freenode.net and <br>
#tor-dev on irc.oftc.net (it's not just for pirates anymore)<br> <br>
*You* CAN help people escape dictatorship!</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think this is why anonymous browsing and secure transmissions are so important .
Maybe it 's just me , but my eyes have really been opened to the need for a community based effort to allow those in repressed regimes access to modern communication .
If you have the skills , and the desire you should check out how you can help .
# irantech on irc.freenode.net and # tor-dev on irc.oftc.net ( it 's not just for pirates anymore ) * You * CAN help people escape dictatorship !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think this is why anonymous browsing and secure transmissions are so important.
Maybe it's just me, but my eyes have really been opened to the need for a community based effort to allow those in repressed regimes access to modern communication.
If you have the skills, and the desire you should check out how you can help.
#irantech on irc.freenode.net and 
#tor-dev on irc.oftc.net (it's not just for pirates anymore) 
*You* CAN help people escape dictatorship!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28457689</id>
	<title>Re:Green Damn Exploit</title>
	<author>beyondkaoru</author>
	<datestamp>1245834300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.cse.umich.edu/~jhalderm/pub/gd/" title="umich.edu">http://www.cse.umich.edu/~jhalderm/pub/gd/</a> [umich.edu]</p><p>If this is to be believed (I haven't tried verifying it myself), then they've committed the most ancient web browser vulnerability I know of (accepting a URL into a fixed size buffer).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.cse.umich.edu/ ~ jhalderm/pub/gd/ [ umich.edu ] If this is to be believed ( I have n't tried verifying it myself ) , then they 've committed the most ancient web browser vulnerability I know of ( accepting a URL into a fixed size buffer ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.cse.umich.edu/~jhalderm/pub/gd/ [umich.edu]If this is to be believed (I haven't tried verifying it myself), then they've committed the most ancient web browser vulnerability I know of (accepting a URL into a fixed size buffer).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451063</id>
	<title>Option of Protesting from the Top Down?</title>
	<author>eldavojohn</author>
	<datestamp>1245849120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>China marked the date July 1st, 2009 as the day manufacturers will be forced to install filtering software on all new PCs.</p></div><p>The article linked to that text's story says</p><p><div class="quote"><p>The notice says the software must either be pre-installed on the hard drive <b>or enclosed on a compact disc</b>.</p></div><p>The manufacturers and distributors could comply with the letter of the law and just put it on a disc.  If you wanted to see <i>true</i> protests from them, you would burn the disc in some unknown standard or zip it up<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... or put it on an HD DVD disc<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)<br> <br>

Have these requirements since changed to require it installed?  If they have I haven't heard<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... <br> <br>

If you're a netbook manufacturer and you put it on the disc instead of the netbook (which are almost always sans disc drive) what are the odds anyone's going to bother figuring out how to move that to their computer unless they themselves personally want it.  You could also provide tutorials on removing the software completely for people that have any "issues" (wink wink) with the software.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>China marked the date July 1st , 2009 as the day manufacturers will be forced to install filtering software on all new PCs.The article linked to that text 's story saysThe notice says the software must either be pre-installed on the hard drive or enclosed on a compact disc.The manufacturers and distributors could comply with the letter of the law and just put it on a disc .
If you wanted to see true protests from them , you would burn the disc in some unknown standard or zip it up ... or put it on an HD DVD disc : ) Have these requirements since changed to require it installed ?
If they have I have n't heard .. . If you 're a netbook manufacturer and you put it on the disc instead of the netbook ( which are almost always sans disc drive ) what are the odds anyone 's going to bother figuring out how to move that to their computer unless they themselves personally want it .
You could also provide tutorials on removing the software completely for people that have any " issues " ( wink wink ) with the software .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China marked the date July 1st, 2009 as the day manufacturers will be forced to install filtering software on all new PCs.The article linked to that text's story saysThe notice says the software must either be pre-installed on the hard drive or enclosed on a compact disc.The manufacturers and distributors could comply with the letter of the law and just put it on a disc.
If you wanted to see true protests from them, you would burn the disc in some unknown standard or zip it up ... or put it on an HD DVD disc :) 

Have these requirements since changed to require it installed?
If they have I haven't heard ...  

If you're a netbook manufacturer and you put it on the disc instead of the netbook (which are almost always sans disc drive) what are the odds anyone's going to bother figuring out how to move that to their computer unless they themselves personally want it.
You could also provide tutorials on removing the software completely for people that have any "issues" (wink wink) with the software.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451531</id>
	<title>Oh boy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245853320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Chinese government is not a government that takes well to public protests (Tiananmen Square massacre or the June 4th incident as the Chinese call it).  I'm not saying these people should back down but I wonder if a better approach might yield better result.  You have to take culture into consideration when dealing with politics.  Culturally, the Chinese react very, very poorly to public confrontations, especially if one party will be humiliated by backing down.  (Before anyone asks, I come from a Chinese family.  This is experience from dealing with other Chinese, especially parents.)  There's this concept of "face" and the Chinese will practically do anything to save it.  Generally, to get compromises or change someone's declared public position you have to do it in a subtle way that doesn't threaten anyone's public image if he changes his position.  Best of luck to him because he might actually succeed in changing the government's mind by showing them public anger, but the government will punish him simply for his public confrontation.  This is actually quite heroic of him.  He might be surprised by how many Chinese would care, despite his own blog post to the contrary, because of the very practical impact the Internet has on their day to day lives.  The Chinese tend to be practical rather than idealistic.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Chinese government is not a government that takes well to public protests ( Tiananmen Square massacre or the June 4th incident as the Chinese call it ) .
I 'm not saying these people should back down but I wonder if a better approach might yield better result .
You have to take culture into consideration when dealing with politics .
Culturally , the Chinese react very , very poorly to public confrontations , especially if one party will be humiliated by backing down .
( Before anyone asks , I come from a Chinese family .
This is experience from dealing with other Chinese , especially parents .
) There 's this concept of " face " and the Chinese will practically do anything to save it .
Generally , to get compromises or change someone 's declared public position you have to do it in a subtle way that does n't threaten anyone 's public image if he changes his position .
Best of luck to him because he might actually succeed in changing the government 's mind by showing them public anger , but the government will punish him simply for his public confrontation .
This is actually quite heroic of him .
He might be surprised by how many Chinese would care , despite his own blog post to the contrary , because of the very practical impact the Internet has on their day to day lives .
The Chinese tend to be practical rather than idealistic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Chinese government is not a government that takes well to public protests (Tiananmen Square massacre or the June 4th incident as the Chinese call it).
I'm not saying these people should back down but I wonder if a better approach might yield better result.
You have to take culture into consideration when dealing with politics.
Culturally, the Chinese react very, very poorly to public confrontations, especially if one party will be humiliated by backing down.
(Before anyone asks, I come from a Chinese family.
This is experience from dealing with other Chinese, especially parents.
)  There's this concept of "face" and the Chinese will practically do anything to save it.
Generally, to get compromises or change someone's declared public position you have to do it in a subtle way that doesn't threaten anyone's public image if he changes his position.
Best of luck to him because he might actually succeed in changing the government's mind by showing them public anger, but the government will punish him simply for his public confrontation.
This is actually quite heroic of him.
He might be surprised by how many Chinese would care, despite his own blog post to the contrary, because of the very practical impact the Internet has on their day to day lives.
The Chinese tend to be practical rather than idealistic.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451199</id>
	<title>Does anyone else think it's ironic...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245850740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>that Obama plans to use Missile Defense Shield technology to intercept a N. Korean missile launch towards Hawaii?  This is the same technology which only months ago Obama himself called "unproven," in an attempt to discredit the program as an unnecessary, overpriced toy.  This is the same program that Obama recently forced the defense secretary Robert Gates to slash over a billion dollars from.  I guess the liberals in Congress and the White House are taking a break from their seething hatred for all things military while the military uses this "unproven" technology to shield all their high-priced condos.  Then after the launch and a successful interception, it'll be back to business as usual for them: unilateral disarmament.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>that Obama plans to use Missile Defense Shield technology to intercept a N. Korean missile launch towards Hawaii ?
This is the same technology which only months ago Obama himself called " unproven , " in an attempt to discredit the program as an unnecessary , overpriced toy .
This is the same program that Obama recently forced the defense secretary Robert Gates to slash over a billion dollars from .
I guess the liberals in Congress and the White House are taking a break from their seething hatred for all things military while the military uses this " unproven " technology to shield all their high-priced condos .
Then after the launch and a successful interception , it 'll be back to business as usual for them : unilateral disarmament .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that Obama plans to use Missile Defense Shield technology to intercept a N. Korean missile launch towards Hawaii?
This is the same technology which only months ago Obama himself called "unproven," in an attempt to discredit the program as an unnecessary, overpriced toy.
This is the same program that Obama recently forced the defense secretary Robert Gates to slash over a billion dollars from.
I guess the liberals in Congress and the White House are taking a break from their seething hatred for all things military while the military uses this "unproven" technology to shield all their high-priced condos.
Then after the launch and a successful interception, it'll be back to business as usual for them: unilateral disarmament.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28452927</id>
	<title>Linux support</title>
	<author>edmicman</author>
	<datestamp>1245860580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've wondered lately, how does this censor/"antivirus" software fit into Linux PCs offered by manufacturers?  Does it run under those options?  Or can no one in China any longer buy or use a Linux PC to go online?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've wondered lately , how does this censor/ " antivirus " software fit into Linux PCs offered by manufacturers ?
Does it run under those options ?
Or can no one in China any longer buy or use a Linux PC to go online ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've wondered lately, how does this censor/"antivirus" software fit into Linux PCs offered by manufacturers?
Does it run under those options?
Or can no one in China any longer buy or use a Linux PC to go online?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451763</id>
	<title>Will tourists be obligated to install this?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245854940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Will visiting foreigners (tourists, businessmen, etc)be obligated to install this software at the customs desk at the airport when entering the country? Would be a good reason not to go to China..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Will visiting foreigners ( tourists , businessmen , etc ) be obligated to install this software at the customs desk at the airport when entering the country ?
Would be a good reason not to go to China. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Will visiting foreigners (tourists, businessmen, etc)be obligated to install this software at the customs desk at the airport when entering the country?
Would be a good reason not to go to China..</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28454573</id>
	<title>This is just software, correct?</title>
	<author>Fuji Kitakyusho</author>
	<datestamp>1245866220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As software, and not on-chip instructions, (ROM firmware or BIOS), is this not trivial to defeat?  Or do I misunderstand?  Also, is this going to be deployed for all architectures and operating systems, or do users working with more esoteric hardware / OS combinations get a pass?

Also, why do this at the user level at all, when any filtering could be enforced at the ISP level?

How effective are Tor, proxies and encryption at evading filtering measures in China?  Is there any access (via satellite or other source) to internet feeds outside of Chinese government control?</htmltext>
<tokenext>As software , and not on-chip instructions , ( ROM firmware or BIOS ) , is this not trivial to defeat ?
Or do I misunderstand ?
Also , is this going to be deployed for all architectures and operating systems , or do users working with more esoteric hardware / OS combinations get a pass ?
Also , why do this at the user level at all , when any filtering could be enforced at the ISP level ?
How effective are Tor , proxies and encryption at evading filtering measures in China ?
Is there any access ( via satellite or other source ) to internet feeds outside of Chinese government control ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As software, and not on-chip instructions, (ROM firmware or BIOS), is this not trivial to defeat?
Or do I misunderstand?
Also, is this going to be deployed for all architectures and operating systems, or do users working with more esoteric hardware / OS combinations get a pass?
Also, why do this at the user level at all, when any filtering could be enforced at the ISP level?
How effective are Tor, proxies and encryption at evading filtering measures in China?
Is there any access (via satellite or other source) to internet feeds outside of Chinese government control?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28462851</id>
	<title>Re:Green Dam as Botnet?</title>
	<author>KingBenny</author>
	<datestamp>1245865200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ofcourse not. The fact that both Russia and China welcome Ahmadinejad, who happens to be (like me) a believer in the end-is-near-theory right after the elections in Iran while his militia is battling it out on the streets with the opposition also means nothing. Nothing means anything. As a matter of fact<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... i didn't say anything either. Just like Barack Hussein Obama<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... he didn't say anything right ?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ofcourse not .
The fact that both Russia and China welcome Ahmadinejad , who happens to be ( like me ) a believer in the end-is-near-theory right after the elections in Iran while his militia is battling it out on the streets with the opposition also means nothing .
Nothing means anything .
As a matter of fact ... i did n't say anything either .
Just like Barack Hussein Obama ... he did n't say anything right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ofcourse not.
The fact that both Russia and China welcome Ahmadinejad, who happens to be (like me) a believer in the end-is-near-theory right after the elections in Iran while his militia is battling it out on the streets with the opposition also means nothing.
Nothing means anything.
As a matter of fact ... i didn't say anything either.
Just like Barack Hussein Obama ... he didn't say anything right ?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451331</id>
	<title>Re:Futile</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245851880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>For some reason I just don't think the MMORPG junkies will be able to tear themselves away for a whole day. Or the daytraders. China has daytraders, right?</i> <br> <br>

I doubt the Slashdotters would be able to tear themselves away for a whole day either (except me, I can stop at any time).</htmltext>
<tokenext>For some reason I just do n't think the MMORPG junkies will be able to tear themselves away for a whole day .
Or the daytraders .
China has daytraders , right ?
I doubt the Slashdotters would be able to tear themselves away for a whole day either ( except me , I can stop at any time ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For some reason I just don't think the MMORPG junkies will be able to tear themselves away for a whole day.
Or the daytraders.
China has daytraders, right?
I doubt the Slashdotters would be able to tear themselves away for a whole day either (except me, I can stop at any time).</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451537</id>
	<title>Re:scared old men in power</title>
	<author>castironpigeon</author>
	<datestamp>1245853320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>The same can be said for every national government. You don't rise to power without a lifetime of struggle and by the time you get there you'd hardly be considered connected to anything or anyone but the people who got you there. Just because the Chinese power class lets it all hang out while Western powers play <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counterfeiting\_Trade\_Agreement" title="wikipedia.org">the cloak and dagger game</a> [wikipedia.org] doesn't make them any different underneath all the bullshit. Remember that the media is part of this game too. Don't let yourself be distracted by troubles in one part of the world when there is plenty of trouble brewing elsewhere.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The same can be said for every national government .
You do n't rise to power without a lifetime of struggle and by the time you get there you 'd hardly be considered connected to anything or anyone but the people who got you there .
Just because the Chinese power class lets it all hang out while Western powers play the cloak and dagger game [ wikipedia.org ] does n't make them any different underneath all the bullshit .
Remember that the media is part of this game too .
Do n't let yourself be distracted by troubles in one part of the world when there is plenty of trouble brewing elsewhere .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The same can be said for every national government.
You don't rise to power without a lifetime of struggle and by the time you get there you'd hardly be considered connected to anything or anyone but the people who got you there.
Just because the Chinese power class lets it all hang out while Western powers play the cloak and dagger game [wikipedia.org] doesn't make them any different underneath all the bullshit.
Remember that the media is part of this game too.
Don't let yourself be distracted by troubles in one part of the world when there is plenty of trouble brewing elsewhere.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28454203</id>
	<title>Oh you guys...</title>
	<author>GigG</author>
	<datestamp>1245864960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You guys that think China gives a hairy rat's ass what you or anyone else thinks about thier censorship policies are just so damn cute.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You guys that think China gives a hairy rat 's ass what you or anyone else thinks about thier censorship policies are just so damn cute .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You guys that think China gives a hairy rat's ass what you or anyone else thinks about thier censorship policies are just so damn cute.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451461</id>
	<title>Re:Not mandatory anymore</title>
	<author>ihatewinXP</author>
	<datestamp>1245852720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pointless anyways.</p><p>After living in China for years I can tell you the second this went into effect they would have set up stalls right beside the dealer to uninstall it before you left the building (ok maybe not if you bought it at Carrefore but they would just be outside then.</p><p>What strikes me as interesting in all this is the redundancy (ie they arleady have the Great Firewall - which works pretty well) why do they need to wear two condoms all of a sudden? My guess would be cyber warfare. Sell a few hundred million PC's in the next few years and have the biggest nastiest botnet in the world with some back end hooks for military access. Actually quite genius (until another country figures out how to access it and wipes you out from the inside...).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pointless anyways.After living in China for years I can tell you the second this went into effect they would have set up stalls right beside the dealer to uninstall it before you left the building ( ok maybe not if you bought it at Carrefore but they would just be outside then.What strikes me as interesting in all this is the redundancy ( ie they arleady have the Great Firewall - which works pretty well ) why do they need to wear two condoms all of a sudden ?
My guess would be cyber warfare .
Sell a few hundred million PC 's in the next few years and have the biggest nastiest botnet in the world with some back end hooks for military access .
Actually quite genius ( until another country figures out how to access it and wipes you out from the inside... ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pointless anyways.After living in China for years I can tell you the second this went into effect they would have set up stalls right beside the dealer to uninstall it before you left the building (ok maybe not if you bought it at Carrefore but they would just be outside then.What strikes me as interesting in all this is the redundancy (ie they arleady have the Great Firewall - which works pretty well) why do they need to wear two condoms all of a sudden?
My guess would be cyber warfare.
Sell a few hundred million PC's in the next few years and have the biggest nastiest botnet in the world with some back end hooks for military access.
Actually quite genius (until another country figures out how to access it and wipes you out from the inside...).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451115</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451119</id>
	<title>It won't work</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245849900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://xkcd.com/597/" title="xkcd.com" rel="nofollow">It's been tried before</a> [xkcd.com].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's been tried before [ xkcd.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's been tried before [xkcd.com].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28453775</id>
	<title>Linux or *BSD</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245863580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What stops someone from simply formatting the OEM hard drive and replacing it with Linux or *BSD?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What stops someone from simply formatting the OEM hard drive and replacing it with Linux or * BSD ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What stops someone from simply formatting the OEM hard drive and replacing it with Linux or *BSD?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451231</id>
	<title>scared old men in power</title>
	<author>Ritz\_Just\_Ritz</author>
	<datestamp>1245851100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>China is run by a very small group of disconnected old men who are deathly afraid of losing their grip on power (and the privilege and corruption proceeds that flow from it).  They are watching groups of other old guard dictators slowly succumb (often with a fight and loss of innocent lives) to the will of a younger generation in other hard line countries around the world.</p><p>It's futile steps like this that show how desperate the CCP is to do something (anything) to slow down the inevitable.  Fasten your seatbelts because it's going to be a VERY bumpy ride.  These guys aren't going to just melt away without digging in their heels and fighting.</p><p>Best,</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>China is run by a very small group of disconnected old men who are deathly afraid of losing their grip on power ( and the privilege and corruption proceeds that flow from it ) .
They are watching groups of other old guard dictators slowly succumb ( often with a fight and loss of innocent lives ) to the will of a younger generation in other hard line countries around the world.It 's futile steps like this that show how desperate the CCP is to do something ( anything ) to slow down the inevitable .
Fasten your seatbelts because it 's going to be a VERY bumpy ride .
These guys are n't going to just melt away without digging in their heels and fighting.Best,</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China is run by a very small group of disconnected old men who are deathly afraid of losing their grip on power (and the privilege and corruption proceeds that flow from it).
They are watching groups of other old guard dictators slowly succumb (often with a fight and loss of innocent lives) to the will of a younger generation in other hard line countries around the world.It's futile steps like this that show how desperate the CCP is to do something (anything) to slow down the inevitable.
Fasten your seatbelts because it's going to be a VERY bumpy ride.
These guys aren't going to just melt away without digging in their heels and fighting.Best,</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28452245</id>
	<title>Green Dam as Botnet?</title>
	<author>jayme0227</author>
	<datestamp>1245857580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Now I'm not advocating cyber-terrorism in any way, but how long will it be until someone turns all of these computers against the Chinese government?</p><p>Also, for conspiracy theorists out there, the North Koreans are planning a ballistic missile "test" shortly after the July 1st date. They have also forbidden foreign ships in their waters because of a naval "test." With the possibility that China is converting its entire nation into a botnet, this is slightly alarming. Could they be gearing up for war against the US?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Now I 'm not advocating cyber-terrorism in any way , but how long will it be until someone turns all of these computers against the Chinese government ? Also , for conspiracy theorists out there , the North Koreans are planning a ballistic missile " test " shortly after the July 1st date .
They have also forbidden foreign ships in their waters because of a naval " test .
" With the possibility that China is converting its entire nation into a botnet , this is slightly alarming .
Could they be gearing up for war against the US ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now I'm not advocating cyber-terrorism in any way, but how long will it be until someone turns all of these computers against the Chinese government?Also, for conspiracy theorists out there, the North Koreans are planning a ballistic missile "test" shortly after the July 1st date.
They have also forbidden foreign ships in their waters because of a naval "test.
" With the possibility that China is converting its entire nation into a botnet, this is slightly alarming.
Could they be gearing up for war against the US?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28451343</id>
	<title>An interesting story...</title>
	<author>gzipped\_tar</author>
	<datestamp>1245851940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...from the ancient history records of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guoyu\_(book)" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow"> <i>Guoyu</i> </a> [wikipedia.org]. In the dynasty of Zhou, a king (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King\_Li\_of\_Zhou" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">King Li</a> [wikipedia.org]) was so corrupt and cruel that the people began criticizing him widely, in public. The King tried to suppress the dissidents by strong censorship measures with harsh punishment attached. As a result, the people *stopped speaking* at all -- no public speeches, no private talking, not a single word said by anyone. Shocked by the situation, an advisor of the King told him "To censor the speech of people is even more dangerous than blocking a flooding river" and advised the king of cancelling the strong censorship. The King refused to listen, and finally was overthrown in the inevitable revolt of an angry mob under his oppression. He was exiled by his people, leaving the kingdom in a state of power vacuum (the "Gonghe" period in Chinese history).</p><p>OK so much for stories.. I'm not suggesting that Ai's proposed protest should be expected to result in similar consequences, but I wonder whether he was having the story in mind when he got the idea. On one hand I admire his stand on the matter of censorship; on the other hand I doubt whether this is able to deliver a message strong enough. Individuals in this society have been so dependent on communications that it is no longer possible to do as the ancient Zhou people did. Look at what's happening in Iran -- we can *still* hear the voice of dissidents because they actually tried their best to take advantage of the Internet instead of burying their voices in a silent protest.</p><p>Unless you produce a *really* massive and well-coordinated voluntary silence. Which I think, given the diversity and decentralized nature of the Internet, is no longer possible.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...from the ancient history records of Guoyu [ wikipedia.org ] .
In the dynasty of Zhou , a king ( King Li [ wikipedia.org ] ) was so corrupt and cruel that the people began criticizing him widely , in public .
The King tried to suppress the dissidents by strong censorship measures with harsh punishment attached .
As a result , the people * stopped speaking * at all -- no public speeches , no private talking , not a single word said by anyone .
Shocked by the situation , an advisor of the King told him " To censor the speech of people is even more dangerous than blocking a flooding river " and advised the king of cancelling the strong censorship .
The King refused to listen , and finally was overthrown in the inevitable revolt of an angry mob under his oppression .
He was exiled by his people , leaving the kingdom in a state of power vacuum ( the " Gonghe " period in Chinese history ) .OK so much for stories.. I 'm not suggesting that Ai 's proposed protest should be expected to result in similar consequences , but I wonder whether he was having the story in mind when he got the idea .
On one hand I admire his stand on the matter of censorship ; on the other hand I doubt whether this is able to deliver a message strong enough .
Individuals in this society have been so dependent on communications that it is no longer possible to do as the ancient Zhou people did .
Look at what 's happening in Iran -- we can * still * hear the voice of dissidents because they actually tried their best to take advantage of the Internet instead of burying their voices in a silent protest.Unless you produce a * really * massive and well-coordinated voluntary silence .
Which I think , given the diversity and decentralized nature of the Internet , is no longer possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...from the ancient history records of  Guoyu  [wikipedia.org].
In the dynasty of Zhou, a king (King Li [wikipedia.org]) was so corrupt and cruel that the people began criticizing him widely, in public.
The King tried to suppress the dissidents by strong censorship measures with harsh punishment attached.
As a result, the people *stopped speaking* at all -- no public speeches, no private talking, not a single word said by anyone.
Shocked by the situation, an advisor of the King told him "To censor the speech of people is even more dangerous than blocking a flooding river" and advised the king of cancelling the strong censorship.
The King refused to listen, and finally was overthrown in the inevitable revolt of an angry mob under his oppression.
He was exiled by his people, leaving the kingdom in a state of power vacuum (the "Gonghe" period in Chinese history).OK so much for stories.. I'm not suggesting that Ai's proposed protest should be expected to result in similar consequences, but I wonder whether he was having the story in mind when he got the idea.
On one hand I admire his stand on the matter of censorship; on the other hand I doubt whether this is able to deliver a message strong enough.
Individuals in this society have been so dependent on communications that it is no longer possible to do as the ancient Zhou people did.
Look at what's happening in Iran -- we can *still* hear the voice of dissidents because they actually tried their best to take advantage of the Internet instead of burying their voices in a silent protest.Unless you produce a *really* massive and well-coordinated voluntary silence.
Which I think, given the diversity and decentralized nature of the Internet, is no longer possible.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:The Unfortunate Hurtles Ai Faces</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1245850380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>I fear the general sentiment towards censorship isn't much different than it is here. All too readily people accepted that there are "bad ideas" and "bad thoughts" that should be banned. Look around yourself. We have, all over the "free world", from Europe to the US, parties that call for tougher reglementations of internet use, that want to ban "killer games" and "addictive games" and "terrorist education pages", we have Germany that created governmental censorship under the guise of child protection (how you protect kids by looking away when they get abused is beyond me, but maybe I'm just dumb...), we have the EU mandating month to year long logging of internet connections...</p><p>Either parties don't talk about it at all and people don't care about it. Or they even laud it as a good step against those terrorists/pedophiles/boogiemenoftheweek. You think it's much different in China? I can well imagine a wide acceptance, ignorance or even appreciation of censorship, after all, it's for the good of the people...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I fear the general sentiment towards censorship is n't much different than it is here .
All too readily people accepted that there are " bad ideas " and " bad thoughts " that should be banned .
Look around yourself .
We have , all over the " free world " , from Europe to the US , parties that call for tougher reglementations of internet use , that want to ban " killer games " and " addictive games " and " terrorist education pages " , we have Germany that created governmental censorship under the guise of child protection ( how you protect kids by looking away when they get abused is beyond me , but maybe I 'm just dumb... ) , we have the EU mandating month to year long logging of internet connections...Either parties do n't talk about it at all and people do n't care about it .
Or they even laud it as a good step against those terrorists/pedophiles/boogiemenoftheweek .
You think it 's much different in China ?
I can well imagine a wide acceptance , ignorance or even appreciation of censorship , after all , it 's for the good of the people.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I fear the general sentiment towards censorship isn't much different than it is here.
All too readily people accepted that there are "bad ideas" and "bad thoughts" that should be banned.
Look around yourself.
We have, all over the "free world", from Europe to the US, parties that call for tougher reglementations of internet use, that want to ban "killer games" and "addictive games" and "terrorist education pages", we have Germany that created governmental censorship under the guise of child protection (how you protect kids by looking away when they get abused is beyond me, but maybe I'm just dumb...), we have the EU mandating month to year long logging of internet connections...Either parties don't talk about it at all and people don't care about it.
Or they even laud it as a good step against those terrorists/pedophiles/boogiemenoftheweek.
You think it's much different in China?
I can well imagine a wide acceptance, ignorance or even appreciation of censorship, after all, it's for the good of the people...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_24_0045226.28453395</id>
	<title>Ai Who?</title>
	<author>vampire\_baozi</author>
	<datestamp>1245862200000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Quick survey of the Beijing internet cafe I'm in now: most Chinese don't know who he is, at least among the computer/wang ba/internet cafe crowd.  If they do, it's as an artist/saw his name on the list of Bird's Nest designers.  And they don't care. They're not installing the software, mandate or mandate, and if it comes preinstalled, they don't care as long as they can still play games/surf the net/etc.  They were more pissed by the idea that this schmuck (artist and designer though he is, once you tell the youth to get offline, he's a schmuck) would tell them to get off the net for 24 hours.  A few pointed out that any protest would be a drop in the bucket of hundreds of millions of internet users.</p><p>If there's 400 million people online, and a few million dont log on for a day, does anyone notice?  Or even care?  Just an annoyance for those participating, proposed by some artist who is now meddling with government shtuffs.  If you're gonna protest this, this isn't the way to go- it harms the participants and achieves nothing (unless the software uninstalls itself if not used in the 1st 24 hours on that one day).  Demonstrating the flaws of the program would change the government's mind more than anything- but Chinese computers as so full of holes it hardly matters (Xunlei, ubiquitous unpatched pirated windows running IE6).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Quick survey of the Beijing internet cafe I 'm in now : most Chinese do n't know who he is , at least among the computer/wang ba/internet cafe crowd .
If they do , it 's as an artist/saw his name on the list of Bird 's Nest designers .
And they do n't care .
They 're not installing the software , mandate or mandate , and if it comes preinstalled , they do n't care as long as they can still play games/surf the net/etc .
They were more pissed by the idea that this schmuck ( artist and designer though he is , once you tell the youth to get offline , he 's a schmuck ) would tell them to get off the net for 24 hours .
A few pointed out that any protest would be a drop in the bucket of hundreds of millions of internet users.If there 's 400 million people online , and a few million dont log on for a day , does anyone notice ?
Or even care ?
Just an annoyance for those participating , proposed by some artist who is now meddling with government shtuffs .
If you 're gon na protest this , this is n't the way to go- it harms the participants and achieves nothing ( unless the software uninstalls itself if not used in the 1st 24 hours on that one day ) .
Demonstrating the flaws of the program would change the government 's mind more than anything- but Chinese computers as so full of holes it hardly matters ( Xunlei , ubiquitous unpatched pirated windows running IE6 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quick survey of the Beijing internet cafe I'm in now: most Chinese don't know who he is, at least among the computer/wang ba/internet cafe crowd.
If they do, it's as an artist/saw his name on the list of Bird's Nest designers.
And they don't care.
They're not installing the software, mandate or mandate, and if it comes preinstalled, they don't care as long as they can still play games/surf the net/etc.
They were more pissed by the idea that this schmuck (artist and designer though he is, once you tell the youth to get offline, he's a schmuck) would tell them to get off the net for 24 hours.
A few pointed out that any protest would be a drop in the bucket of hundreds of millions of internet users.If there's 400 million people online, and a few million dont log on for a day, does anyone notice?
Or even care?
Just an annoyance for those participating, proposed by some artist who is now meddling with government shtuffs.
If you're gonna protest this, this isn't the way to go- it harms the participants and achieves nothing (unless the software uninstalls itself if not used in the 1st 24 hours on that one day).
Demonstrating the flaws of the program would change the government's mind more than anything- but Chinese computers as so full of holes it hardly matters (Xunlei, ubiquitous unpatched pirated windows running IE6).</sentencetext>
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