<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_23_1931201</id>
	<title>UK Gets Europe's First 3G Femtocell</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1245747540000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news" rel="nofollow">judgecorp</a> writes <i>"Femtocells have been on the horizon for a while, but the UK just got the <a href="http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/vodafone-launches-home-3g-femtocell-in-the-uk-1203">first 3G femtocell launch in Europe</a>, by Vodafone. The device connects to handsets in the room and links them to the cellular network over broadband. It's a classic win-win, because it gives the user better coverage and takes traffic off the service provider's network. The only complaint might be from the broadband provider, who could be carrying traffic for a rival. Vodafone isn't pushing the data angle, but since it has HSPA, the product could work just fine with laptops and dongles. Femtos have been in limbo waiting for serious launches, but judging from the list of speakers at the <a href="http://www.avrenevents.com/programme.asp?Conf=FemtocellsEurope2009">World Femtocell Summit</a> in London, Vodafone might not be the only one."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>judgecorp writes " Femtocells have been on the horizon for a while , but the UK just got the first 3G femtocell launch in Europe , by Vodafone .
The device connects to handsets in the room and links them to the cellular network over broadband .
It 's a classic win-win , because it gives the user better coverage and takes traffic off the service provider 's network .
The only complaint might be from the broadband provider , who could be carrying traffic for a rival .
Vodafone is n't pushing the data angle , but since it has HSPA , the product could work just fine with laptops and dongles .
Femtos have been in limbo waiting for serious launches , but judging from the list of speakers at the World Femtocell Summit in London , Vodafone might not be the only one .
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<sentencetext>judgecorp writes "Femtocells have been on the horizon for a while, but the UK just got the first 3G femtocell launch in Europe, by Vodafone.
The device connects to handsets in the room and links them to the cellular network over broadband.
It's a classic win-win, because it gives the user better coverage and takes traffic off the service provider's network.
The only complaint might be from the broadband provider, who could be carrying traffic for a rival.
Vodafone isn't pushing the data angle, but since it has HSPA, the product could work just fine with laptops and dongles.
Femtos have been in limbo waiting for serious launches, but judging from the list of speakers at the World Femtocell Summit in London, Vodafone might not be the only one.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28454099</id>
	<title>Re:Only phones you register will be able to connec</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245864600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm currently a triallist for this service, with poor reception of all the UK networks where I live (down a hole out in the sticks). I've been very pleased with the service during the trial, but I wouldn't spend &#194;&pound;160 for the femtocell device. As I understand it, the box will support up to 4 simultaneous 3G voice calls, but it is possible to register more than 4 mobiles to use the device.</p><p>The traffic is carried back to Vodafone's gateway over a UDP-encapsulated IPsec/ESP tunnel, and my box also generates a lot of NTP queries to keep the internal clock on frequency (required tolerance 100 parts per billion!). Some femtocell devices can also take sync by receiving a local base station but I don't know whether this particular device would do that if it were in a better signal area.</p><p>Let's hope Voda allow me to keep the box after the trial.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm currently a triallist for this service , with poor reception of all the UK networks where I live ( down a hole out in the sticks ) .
I 've been very pleased with the service during the trial , but I would n't spend     160 for the femtocell device .
As I understand it , the box will support up to 4 simultaneous 3G voice calls , but it is possible to register more than 4 mobiles to use the device.The traffic is carried back to Vodafone 's gateway over a UDP-encapsulated IPsec/ESP tunnel , and my box also generates a lot of NTP queries to keep the internal clock on frequency ( required tolerance 100 parts per billion ! ) .
Some femtocell devices can also take sync by receiving a local base station but I do n't know whether this particular device would do that if it were in a better signal area.Let 's hope Voda allow me to keep the box after the trial .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm currently a triallist for this service, with poor reception of all the UK networks where I live (down a hole out in the sticks).
I've been very pleased with the service during the trial, but I wouldn't spend Â£160 for the femtocell device.
As I understand it, the box will support up to 4 simultaneous 3G voice calls, but it is possible to register more than 4 mobiles to use the device.The traffic is carried back to Vodafone's gateway over a UDP-encapsulated IPsec/ESP tunnel, and my box also generates a lot of NTP queries to keep the internal clock on frequency (required tolerance 100 parts per billion!).
Some femtocell devices can also take sync by receiving a local base station but I don't know whether this particular device would do that if it were in a better signal area.Let's hope Voda allow me to keep the box after the trial.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450975</id>
	<title>Use abroad?</title>
	<author>Pete (big-pete)</author>
	<datestamp>1245848160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Hmm, I am from the UK but I spend almost all my time living in Brussels.  I maintain a UK cellphone for the times when I am back though.  If possible it might be cool to get one of these and plug into my Belgian broadband.  A local access point without the international roaming charges.
</p><p>
That could be sweet!
</p><p>
-- Pete.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm , I am from the UK but I spend almost all my time living in Brussels .
I maintain a UK cellphone for the times when I am back though .
If possible it might be cool to get one of these and plug into my Belgian broadband .
A local access point without the international roaming charges .
That could be sweet !
-- Pete .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Hmm, I am from the UK but I spend almost all my time living in Brussels.
I maintain a UK cellphone for the times when I am back though.
If possible it might be cool to get one of these and plug into my Belgian broadband.
A local access point without the international roaming charges.
That could be sweet!
-- Pete.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28453823</id>
	<title>Proximus in Belgium offered that years ago</title>
	<author>SmilingBoy</author>
	<datestamp>1245863760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We have our offices in a high-rise building, and essentially you can't use your mobile phone as the quality is very bad.  I assume it is because we are too high up and have too many other cells in range so the phone is constantly switching cells.  Proximus (basically Vodafone Belgium) offered us something which I assume must have been using similar technology two years ago.  They wanted 1000 Euros so we declined.</htmltext>
<tokenext>We have our offices in a high-rise building , and essentially you ca n't use your mobile phone as the quality is very bad .
I assume it is because we are too high up and have too many other cells in range so the phone is constantly switching cells .
Proximus ( basically Vodafone Belgium ) offered us something which I assume must have been using similar technology two years ago .
They wanted 1000 Euros so we declined .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have our offices in a high-rise building, and essentially you can't use your mobile phone as the quality is very bad.
I assume it is because we are too high up and have too many other cells in range so the phone is constantly switching cells.
Proximus (basically Vodafone Belgium) offered us something which I assume must have been using similar technology two years ago.
They wanted 1000 Euros so we declined.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28451019</id>
	<title>Re:Uh no....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245848640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Like paying Nike to wear their name on your chest. Seriously, WTF?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Like paying Nike to wear their name on your chest .
Seriously , WTF ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Like paying Nike to wear their name on your chest.
Seriously, WTF?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450395</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28453139</id>
	<title>Re:Great for us travellers!</title>
	<author>RJFerret</author>
	<datestamp>1245861300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I often visit the USA for several weeks at a time.</p><p>With this device, I'll simply be able to plug the cell into my broadband in the US and have access as if I was home in the UK, without any worries!</p></div><p>Maybe not, the Sprint AIRAVE  femtocell here in the USA requires a GPS lock showing it is within the US before it functions!  (Source: <a href="http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/08/13/sprint-airave-review/" title="engadgetmobile.com">this review</a> [engadgetmobile.com]  under "design")</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I often visit the USA for several weeks at a time.With this device , I 'll simply be able to plug the cell into my broadband in the US and have access as if I was home in the UK , without any worries ! Maybe not , the Sprint AIRAVE femtocell here in the USA requires a GPS lock showing it is within the US before it functions !
( Source : this review [ engadgetmobile.com ] under " design " )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I often visit the USA for several weeks at a time.With this device, I'll simply be able to plug the cell into my broadband in the US and have access as if I was home in the UK, without any worries!Maybe not, the Sprint AIRAVE  femtocell here in the USA requires a GPS lock showing it is within the US before it functions!
(Source: this review [engadgetmobile.com]  under "design")
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28451477</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450697</id>
	<title>Only phones you register will be able to connect</title>
	<author>NoNeeeed</author>
	<datestamp>1245843660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lots of people seem to be assuming that this is you paying the network to extend their network for anyone to use.</p><p>It isn't.</p><p>If you read the article (I know, radical), you'll see that only four phones, which you need to register, will be able to use the femto-cell.  So no, you won't be providing your neighbours with improved service over your own connection (unless you register their phone).</p><p>While it's pretty expensive, I'd actually be tempted by this.  I can't get a reliable mobile signal in my flat, because of the construction of the building (mobile reception outside is fine).</p><p>Of course, it doesn't say if calls made over the femto cell are cheaper than over their network.  I would hope they were, it would mean I could pretty much ignore my landline, which I only use because I can't be mobile reception.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lots of people seem to be assuming that this is you paying the network to extend their network for anyone to use.It is n't.If you read the article ( I know , radical ) , you 'll see that only four phones , which you need to register , will be able to use the femto-cell .
So no , you wo n't be providing your neighbours with improved service over your own connection ( unless you register their phone ) .While it 's pretty expensive , I 'd actually be tempted by this .
I ca n't get a reliable mobile signal in my flat , because of the construction of the building ( mobile reception outside is fine ) .Of course , it does n't say if calls made over the femto cell are cheaper than over their network .
I would hope they were , it would mean I could pretty much ignore my landline , which I only use because I ca n't be mobile reception .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lots of people seem to be assuming that this is you paying the network to extend their network for anyone to use.It isn't.If you read the article (I know, radical), you'll see that only four phones, which you need to register, will be able to use the femto-cell.
So no, you won't be providing your neighbours with improved service over your own connection (unless you register their phone).While it's pretty expensive, I'd actually be tempted by this.
I can't get a reliable mobile signal in my flat, because of the construction of the building (mobile reception outside is fine).Of course, it doesn't say if calls made over the femto cell are cheaper than over their network.
I would hope they were, it would mean I could pretty much ignore my landline, which I only use because I can't be mobile reception.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450935</id>
	<title>But would it avoid roaming charges?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245847680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Maybe I've misunderstood what all this is about, but would it help you avoid roaming charges?

If inbound and outbound voice calls are broadband-routed up to your local "femtocell", then it might not matter if you are in another country.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe I 've misunderstood what all this is about , but would it help you avoid roaming charges ?
If inbound and outbound voice calls are broadband-routed up to your local " femtocell " , then it might not matter if you are in another country .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe I've misunderstood what all this is about, but would it help you avoid roaming charges?
If inbound and outbound voice calls are broadband-routed up to your local "femtocell", then it might not matter if you are in another country.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450595</id>
	<title>Re:What about wifi?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245842040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Unfortunately Vodafone and Orange in the UK think it`s OK to cripple their phones with customised firmwares which remove the VOIP functionality, so you have to debrand the phone and flash vanilla firmware, or try and install a VOIP and get it working that way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Unfortunately Vodafone and Orange in the UK think it ` s OK to cripple their phones with customised firmwares which remove the VOIP functionality , so you have to debrand the phone and flash vanilla firmware , or try and install a VOIP and get it working that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unfortunately Vodafone and Orange in the UK think it`s OK to cripple their phones with customised firmwares which remove the VOIP functionality, so you have to debrand the phone and flash vanilla firmware, or try and install a VOIP and get it working that way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450413</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28451681</id>
	<title>Re:Only phones you register will be able to connec</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245854460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well you also use your landline to get DSL, which you need in order to get that femtocell to work so you can make calls. Circular logic.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well you also use your landline to get DSL , which you need in order to get that femtocell to work so you can make calls .
Circular logic .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well you also use your landline to get DSL, which you need in order to get that femtocell to work so you can make calls.
Circular logic.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450697</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28451045</id>
	<title>Clarification: This femto is given away free</title>
	<author>judgecorp</author>
	<datestamp>1245848940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>According to a <a href="http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/news/update--vodafone-will-offer-3g-femtocell-free--1205" title="eweekeurope.co.uk">subsequent conversation</a> [eweekeurope.co.uk] with Vodafone, if you have a &#194;&pound;30 a month contract with Vodafone, you can ask for one free, or have it bundled into your new contract. It's &#194;&pound;5 a month on other contracts, and &#194;&pound;160 to buy if you are pay-as-you-go.

Yes, you are providing Vodafone with free backhaul, but you aren't paying vastly over the cost of the box for it.

And yes, you can do the same with Wi-Fi.</htmltext>
<tokenext>According to a subsequent conversation [ eweekeurope.co.uk ] with Vodafone , if you have a     30 a month contract with Vodafone , you can ask for one free , or have it bundled into your new contract .
It 's     5 a month on other contracts , and     160 to buy if you are pay-as-you-go .
Yes , you are providing Vodafone with free backhaul , but you are n't paying vastly over the cost of the box for it .
And yes , you can do the same with Wi-Fi .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to a subsequent conversation [eweekeurope.co.uk] with Vodafone, if you have a Â£30 a month contract with Vodafone, you can ask for one free, or have it bundled into your new contract.
It's Â£5 a month on other contracts, and Â£160 to buy if you are pay-as-you-go.
Yes, you are providing Vodafone with free backhaul, but you aren't paying vastly over the cost of the box for it.
And yes, you can do the same with Wi-Fi.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28451597</id>
	<title>Does the spectrum match up overseas?</title>
	<author>Controlio</author>
	<datestamp>1245853920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What a great idea!  Can't believe I didn't think of trying this!  That basically amounts to free international calling, and the ability to use my american cell phone (without a SIM card) overseas!<br> <br>
Sprint makes a device called the <a href="http://www.nextel.com/en/services/airave/index.shtml" title="nextel.com">Airave</a> [nextel.com] that acts as a mini-cell tower over a DSL line.  I imagine it could be plugged into any DSL line overseas, and route calls and voicemails to my cell phone in another country.  Even if Sprint had some geographical limitations as to where the traffic could come from, I could tunnel the data back to my house and have it leave from there, at the expense of a little extra lag.<br> <br>
Does the wireless spectrum match up in, lets say Europe, to allow for this?  It would save me a fortune in international calls and prepaid cell phones on trips.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What a great idea !
Ca n't believe I did n't think of trying this !
That basically amounts to free international calling , and the ability to use my american cell phone ( without a SIM card ) overseas !
Sprint makes a device called the Airave [ nextel.com ] that acts as a mini-cell tower over a DSL line .
I imagine it could be plugged into any DSL line overseas , and route calls and voicemails to my cell phone in another country .
Even if Sprint had some geographical limitations as to where the traffic could come from , I could tunnel the data back to my house and have it leave from there , at the expense of a little extra lag .
Does the wireless spectrum match up in , lets say Europe , to allow for this ?
It would save me a fortune in international calls and prepaid cell phones on trips .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What a great idea!
Can't believe I didn't think of trying this!
That basically amounts to free international calling, and the ability to use my american cell phone (without a SIM card) overseas!
Sprint makes a device called the Airave [nextel.com] that acts as a mini-cell tower over a DSL line.
I imagine it could be plugged into any DSL line overseas, and route calls and voicemails to my cell phone in another country.
Even if Sprint had some geographical limitations as to where the traffic could come from, I could tunnel the data back to my house and have it leave from there, at the expense of a little extra lag.
Does the wireless spectrum match up in, lets say Europe, to allow for this?
It would save me a fortune in international calls and prepaid cell phones on trips.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450575</id>
	<title>Re:I love it!</title>
	<author>jac89</author>
	<datestamp>1245841680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well i only pay 30 pounds a month for unlimited data and &#194;&pound;140 of equivalent pay as you go credit, the mobile markets in the uk are not tooo bad.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well i only pay 30 pounds a month for unlimited data and     140 of equivalent pay as you go credit , the mobile markets in the uk are not tooo bad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well i only pay 30 pounds a month for unlimited data and Â£140 of equivalent pay as you go credit, the mobile markets in the uk are not tooo bad.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450393</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28454023</id>
	<title>Re:Uh no....</title>
	<author>Glendale2x</author>
	<datestamp>1245864360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Before anybody gets real hot about how cool these things are, just realize that you are paying these people directly to expand their service coverage. That's just plain nuts. If it was $40 or $50 bucks like a cheap router and I could restrict access by IMEI, *maybe* it might be an interesting deal.</i></p><p>The technology is pretty cool - cell site in the palm of your hand. The way the corporations handle them not so much.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Before anybody gets real hot about how cool these things are , just realize that you are paying these people directly to expand their service coverage .
That 's just plain nuts .
If it was $ 40 or $ 50 bucks like a cheap router and I could restrict access by IMEI , * maybe * it might be an interesting deal.The technology is pretty cool - cell site in the palm of your hand .
The way the corporations handle them not so much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Before anybody gets real hot about how cool these things are, just realize that you are paying these people directly to expand their service coverage.
That's just plain nuts.
If it was $40 or $50 bucks like a cheap router and I could restrict access by IMEI, *maybe* it might be an interesting deal.The technology is pretty cool - cell site in the palm of your hand.
The way the corporations handle them not so much.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450729</id>
	<title>I had this back in 2008</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245844080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>"It's certainly the first of its kind in Europe, and I see Vodafone says it will work over every home broadband line,"</i></p><p>I had a Samsung Femtocell installed in my basement last November running over a residential DSL line. It's from a Slovenian mobile operator Mobitel - I even written a <a href="http://www.tablix.org/~avian/blog/archives/2008/11/your\_very\_own\_hsdpa\_base\_station/" title="tablix.org">blog post</a> [tablix.org] about it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" It 's certainly the first of its kind in Europe , and I see Vodafone says it will work over every home broadband line , " I had a Samsung Femtocell installed in my basement last November running over a residential DSL line .
It 's from a Slovenian mobile operator Mobitel - I even written a blog post [ tablix.org ] about it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"It's certainly the first of its kind in Europe, and I see Vodafone says it will work over every home broadband line,"I had a Samsung Femtocell installed in my basement last November running over a residential DSL line.
It's from a Slovenian mobile operator Mobitel - I even written a blog post [tablix.org] about it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28466603</id>
	<title>Re:I love it!</title>
	<author>cangrejoinmortal</author>
	<datestamp>1245945900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The very same techonolgy can be used to build or own celular network and show the telecom companies the finger.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The very same techonolgy can be used to build or own celular network and show the telecom companies the finger .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The very same techonolgy can be used to build or own celular network and show the telecom companies the finger.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450393</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450373</id>
	<title>Wikipedia is communism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245837960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Imagine your willy being smacked until it bleeds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Imagine your willy being smacked until it bleeds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Imagine your willy being smacked until it bleeds.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450845</id>
	<title>Re:Uh no....</title>
	<author>nmg196</author>
	<datestamp>1245846120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your entire rant reads like you think this is for *home* users. It's primarily targetted at business users. Probably those that have bought everyone Blackberrys and then find they don't work in basement etc.</p><p>&gt; Why would I PAY Verizon to basically expand their own coverage area?</p><p>For the exact same reason you PAY to have broadband, cable or phone lines installed in your house: Because you want to USE IT perhaps?!  By paying them to install broadband in your house you're "paying them to extend their network" as you call it.  I really don't get what your point is... if you don't want the service, then simply don't buy it - it's OPTIONAL remember.  You're not paying them to expand their network, you're paying them to get enhanced coverage inside your office/conference center/show/station etc.</p><p>&gt; The ability for ANY Verizon phone within range..[to].place the calls across your Internet connection</p><p>With Vodafone's femtocell you can "register the mobile numbers you want to have linked into the service and no one else will be able to pinch your bandwidth." <a href="http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology/2009/06/23/vodafone-access-gateway-boosts-your-home-3g-signal-115875-21465702/" title="mirror.co.uk">source</a> [mirror.co.uk]</p><p>&gt; In the UK it seems, not only will you pay to increase their service coverage, but monthly as well</p><p>No, not "as well" - instead of. You can EITHER buy it, OR get it free and pay a monthly contract as it says in your quoted text.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your entire rant reads like you think this is for * home * users .
It 's primarily targetted at business users .
Probably those that have bought everyone Blackberrys and then find they do n't work in basement etc. &gt; Why would I PAY Verizon to basically expand their own coverage area ? For the exact same reason you PAY to have broadband , cable or phone lines installed in your house : Because you want to USE IT perhaps ? !
By paying them to install broadband in your house you 're " paying them to extend their network " as you call it .
I really do n't get what your point is... if you do n't want the service , then simply do n't buy it - it 's OPTIONAL remember .
You 're not paying them to expand their network , you 're paying them to get enhanced coverage inside your office/conference center/show/station etc. &gt; The ability for ANY Verizon phone within range.. [ to ] .place the calls across your Internet connectionWith Vodafone 's femtocell you can " register the mobile numbers you want to have linked into the service and no one else will be able to pinch your bandwidth .
" source [ mirror.co.uk ] &gt; In the UK it seems , not only will you pay to increase their service coverage , but monthly as wellNo , not " as well " - instead of .
You can EITHER buy it , OR get it free and pay a monthly contract as it says in your quoted text .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your entire rant reads like you think this is for *home* users.
It's primarily targetted at business users.
Probably those that have bought everyone Blackberrys and then find they don't work in basement etc.&gt; Why would I PAY Verizon to basically expand their own coverage area?For the exact same reason you PAY to have broadband, cable or phone lines installed in your house: Because you want to USE IT perhaps?!
By paying them to install broadband in your house you're "paying them to extend their network" as you call it.
I really don't get what your point is... if you don't want the service, then simply don't buy it - it's OPTIONAL remember.
You're not paying them to expand their network, you're paying them to get enhanced coverage inside your office/conference center/show/station etc.&gt; The ability for ANY Verizon phone within range..[to].place the calls across your Internet connectionWith Vodafone's femtocell you can "register the mobile numbers you want to have linked into the service and no one else will be able to pinch your bandwidth.
" source [mirror.co.uk]&gt; In the UK it seems, not only will you pay to increase their service coverage, but monthly as wellNo, not "as well" - instead of.
You can EITHER buy it, OR get it free and pay a monthly contract as it says in your quoted text.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28454165</id>
	<title>Re:But would it avoid roaming charges?</title>
	<author>djrogers</author>
	<datestamp>1245864840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not sure about the one in question, but the Femtocells that have been profiled here in the past have all had a GPS receiver on them to ensure that you are in an area where the provider is legally allowed to provide coverage, ie your own country...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not sure about the one in question , but the Femtocells that have been profiled here in the past have all had a GPS receiver on them to ensure that you are in an area where the provider is legally allowed to provide coverage , ie your own country.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not sure about the one in question, but the Femtocells that have been profiled here in the past have all had a GPS receiver on them to ensure that you are in an area where the provider is legally allowed to provide coverage, ie your own country...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28455477</id>
	<title>Can I hack it?</title>
	<author>citizenr</author>
	<datestamp>1245869220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Can it be hacked to pair with my own Asterisk server?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can it be hacked to pair with my own Asterisk server ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can it be hacked to pair with my own Asterisk server?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450821</id>
	<title>Re:Uh no....</title>
	<author>Totenglocke</author>
	<datestamp>1245845820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you bothered to RTFA, you would see that you can register (via web site) what phones can use your box and that you buy the box OR pay a monthly fee for it.  You do NOT pay for the box and then pay an extra monthly fee on top of it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you bothered to RTFA , you would see that you can register ( via web site ) what phones can use your box and that you buy the box OR pay a monthly fee for it .
You do NOT pay for the box and then pay an extra monthly fee on top of it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you bothered to RTFA, you would see that you can register (via web site) what phones can use your box and that you buy the box OR pay a monthly fee for it.
You do NOT pay for the box and then pay an extra monthly fee on top of it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28454569</id>
	<title>Verizon Femtocell</title>
	<author>Nom du Keyboard</author>
	<datestamp>1245866220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Verizon has what appears to be a great femtocell - except that they want $250 for it!! And the only reason I want one is because, contrary to their ads, they Can't hear me now when calling from my supposedly covered home.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Verizon has what appears to be a great femtocell - except that they want $ 250 for it ! !
And the only reason I want one is because , contrary to their ads , they Ca n't hear me now when calling from my supposedly covered home .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Verizon has what appears to be a great femtocell - except that they want $250 for it!!
And the only reason I want one is because, contrary to their ads, they Can't hear me now when calling from my supposedly covered home.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450807</id>
	<title>Re:Uh no....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245845400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, the basic idea was that the consumer will pay less per call, since they are paying for the access point.<br>Also IMEI based restriction is there in the specs.<br>I do not know by Vodaphone will do something like this - it is against the basic idea of femtocells.<br>They will actually drive away customers from a real good idea.</p><p>BTW, the calls going through internet - how does it stack up - I thought voice over internet was a mess - the qos was very low. Has it changed?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the basic idea was that the consumer will pay less per call , since they are paying for the access point.Also IMEI based restriction is there in the specs.I do not know by Vodaphone will do something like this - it is against the basic idea of femtocells.They will actually drive away customers from a real good idea.BTW , the calls going through internet - how does it stack up - I thought voice over internet was a mess - the qos was very low .
Has it changed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the basic idea was that the consumer will pay less per call, since they are paying for the access point.Also IMEI based restriction is there in the specs.I do not know by Vodaphone will do something like this - it is against the basic idea of femtocells.They will actually drive away customers from a real good idea.BTW, the calls going through internet - how does it stack up - I thought voice over internet was a mess - the qos was very low.
Has it changed?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28451383</id>
	<title>Re:Uh no....</title>
	<author>squoozer</author>
	<datestamp>1245852180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While the deal that you were offered is totally nuts I don't think this deal is the same sort of thing. The impression I got was it simply acts as a base station for up to four registered phones. Personally, I think there is some scope for the system you describe if the pricing and technology are put together in the correct package.</p><p>For example, imagine you live in a remote area with no / limited mobile coverage, your mobile provider offers you this deal: you buy your broadband and a mobile contract off them at a reasonable price, the package comes with a femtocell which also acts as a wireless internet router. The router is promiscuous for mobile calls but locked down for data. Obviously you don't get charged for routing calls over your internet connection in fact you could even get credits for routing other peoples calls.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While the deal that you were offered is totally nuts I do n't think this deal is the same sort of thing .
The impression I got was it simply acts as a base station for up to four registered phones .
Personally , I think there is some scope for the system you describe if the pricing and technology are put together in the correct package.For example , imagine you live in a remote area with no / limited mobile coverage , your mobile provider offers you this deal : you buy your broadband and a mobile contract off them at a reasonable price , the package comes with a femtocell which also acts as a wireless internet router .
The router is promiscuous for mobile calls but locked down for data .
Obviously you do n't get charged for routing calls over your internet connection in fact you could even get credits for routing other peoples calls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While the deal that you were offered is totally nuts I don't think this deal is the same sort of thing.
The impression I got was it simply acts as a base station for up to four registered phones.
Personally, I think there is some scope for the system you describe if the pricing and technology are put together in the correct package.For example, imagine you live in a remote area with no / limited mobile coverage, your mobile provider offers you this deal: you buy your broadband and a mobile contract off them at a reasonable price, the package comes with a femtocell which also acts as a wireless internet router.
The router is promiscuous for mobile calls but locked down for data.
Obviously you don't get charged for routing calls over your internet connection in fact you could even get credits for routing other peoples calls.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450887</id>
	<title>Rival?</title>
	<author>FrostedWheat</author>
	<datestamp>1245846720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>The only complaint might be from the broadband provider, who could be carrying traffic for a rival</p></div></blockquote><p>

Er, no. They're carrying traffic for their (paying) customer.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only complaint might be from the broadband provider , who could be carrying traffic for a rival Er , no .
They 're carrying traffic for their ( paying ) customer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only complaint might be from the broadband provider, who could be carrying traffic for a rival

Er, no.
They're carrying traffic for their (paying) customer.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28452375</id>
	<title>Re:Use abroad?</title>
	<author>Malc</author>
	<datestamp>1245858120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I imagine it depends on the codec they use.  I've brought my Vonage Canada network adapter to the UK, bur found phone calls sounded like CDs skipping.  Skype on the otherhand keeps going, even when I was in China and the latency was spiking up to 1000ms.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I imagine it depends on the codec they use .
I 've brought my Vonage Canada network adapter to the UK , bur found phone calls sounded like CDs skipping .
Skype on the otherhand keeps going , even when I was in China and the latency was spiking up to 1000ms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I imagine it depends on the codec they use.
I've brought my Vonage Canada network adapter to the UK, bur found phone calls sounded like CDs skipping.
Skype on the otherhand keeps going, even when I was in China and the latency was spiking up to 1000ms.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450395</id>
	<title>Uh no....</title>
	<author>EdIII</author>
	<datestamp>1245838620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's a classic win-win, because it gives the user better coverage and takes traffic off the service provider's network.</p></div></blockquote><p>Uhhh, no.  It's a classic fuck-the-consumer, what-the-fuck-were-they-smoking, you-have-to-be-fucking-kidding-me deal.</p><p>I got this spiel from Verizon (USA) a little while back.  Unlucky enough to have marginal service where I live, I asked a Verizon store rep what could be done about it.  He then came back with a nice box and said, "It's really cool.  It's called a thingmajiggy and it will boost your cellphone service through your Internet connection."  I thought, "Wow, that's pretty cool of them".</p><p>Just one thing everyone forgets or wants to gloss over in this massive techno-wankathon over how cool it is....  Verizon tried to charge me $250.  Two-Hundred-And-Fifty-Bucks.</p><p>This is what you are getting for $250.  The ability for ANY Verizon phone within range, which from what I understand is about as good as an access point, to PREFER your "femtocell" and place the calls across your Internet connection back into Verizon. Everyone still gets charged for their usage.</p><p>Why would I PAY Verizon to basically expand their own coverage area?  Why would I incur the bandwidth costs for unknown cellphone users around me? Yeah, I couldn't fucking figure it out either.</p><p>Before anybody gets real hot about how cool these things are, just realize that you are paying these people directly to expand their service coverage.  That's just <i>plain nuts</i>. If it was $40 or $50 bucks like a cheap router and I could restrict access by IMEI, *maybe* it might be an interesting deal.</p><blockquote><div><p>from outright purchase at &pound;160, to bundling with contracts around &pound;15 per month. -------  Femtos will first be deployed to offer better indoor coverage and keep customer loyalty ----- an Shepherd, consumer director, Vodafone UK. "We are committed to delivering the best, most reliable network and this is another step towards maintaining a seamless service."</p></div></blockquote><p>Wow.  In the UK it seems, not only will you pay to increase their service coverage, but monthly as well.  I hope a reach-around comes with that deal.  Gotta admit, that's one hell of a commitment to increasing coverage and creating a reliable network.  Let's make everyone pay multiple month's of service up front along with an additional monthly service cost to put them to work for us.</p><p>Total. Fucking.  Insanity.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/END RANT</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a classic win-win , because it gives the user better coverage and takes traffic off the service provider 's network.Uhhh , no .
It 's a classic fuck-the-consumer , what-the-fuck-were-they-smoking , you-have-to-be-fucking-kidding-me deal.I got this spiel from Verizon ( USA ) a little while back .
Unlucky enough to have marginal service where I live , I asked a Verizon store rep what could be done about it .
He then came back with a nice box and said , " It 's really cool .
It 's called a thingmajiggy and it will boost your cellphone service through your Internet connection .
" I thought , " Wow , that 's pretty cool of them " .Just one thing everyone forgets or wants to gloss over in this massive techno-wankathon over how cool it is.... Verizon tried to charge me $ 250 .
Two-Hundred-And-Fifty-Bucks.This is what you are getting for $ 250 .
The ability for ANY Verizon phone within range , which from what I understand is about as good as an access point , to PREFER your " femtocell " and place the calls across your Internet connection back into Verizon .
Everyone still gets charged for their usage.Why would I PAY Verizon to basically expand their own coverage area ?
Why would I incur the bandwidth costs for unknown cellphone users around me ?
Yeah , I could n't fucking figure it out either.Before anybody gets real hot about how cool these things are , just realize that you are paying these people directly to expand their service coverage .
That 's just plain nuts .
If it was $ 40 or $ 50 bucks like a cheap router and I could restrict access by IMEI , * maybe * it might be an interesting deal.from outright purchase at   160 , to bundling with contracts around   15 per month .
------- Femtos will first be deployed to offer better indoor coverage and keep customer loyalty ----- an Shepherd , consumer director , Vodafone UK .
" We are committed to delivering the best , most reliable network and this is another step towards maintaining a seamless service. " Wow .
In the UK it seems , not only will you pay to increase their service coverage , but monthly as well .
I hope a reach-around comes with that deal .
Got ta admit , that 's one hell of a commitment to increasing coverage and creating a reliable network .
Let 's make everyone pay multiple month 's of service up front along with an additional monthly service cost to put them to work for us.Total .
Fucking. Insanity .
/END RANT</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a classic win-win, because it gives the user better coverage and takes traffic off the service provider's network.Uhhh, no.
It's a classic fuck-the-consumer, what-the-fuck-were-they-smoking, you-have-to-be-fucking-kidding-me deal.I got this spiel from Verizon (USA) a little while back.
Unlucky enough to have marginal service where I live, I asked a Verizon store rep what could be done about it.
He then came back with a nice box and said, "It's really cool.
It's called a thingmajiggy and it will boost your cellphone service through your Internet connection.
"  I thought, "Wow, that's pretty cool of them".Just one thing everyone forgets or wants to gloss over in this massive techno-wankathon over how cool it is....  Verizon tried to charge me $250.
Two-Hundred-And-Fifty-Bucks.This is what you are getting for $250.
The ability for ANY Verizon phone within range, which from what I understand is about as good as an access point, to PREFER your "femtocell" and place the calls across your Internet connection back into Verizon.
Everyone still gets charged for their usage.Why would I PAY Verizon to basically expand their own coverage area?
Why would I incur the bandwidth costs for unknown cellphone users around me?
Yeah, I couldn't fucking figure it out either.Before anybody gets real hot about how cool these things are, just realize that you are paying these people directly to expand their service coverage.
That's just plain nuts.
If it was $40 or $50 bucks like a cheap router and I could restrict access by IMEI, *maybe* it might be an interesting deal.from outright purchase at £160, to bundling with contracts around £15 per month.
-------  Femtos will first be deployed to offer better indoor coverage and keep customer loyalty ----- an Shepherd, consumer director, Vodafone UK.
"We are committed to delivering the best, most reliable network and this is another step towards maintaining a seamless service."Wow.
In the UK it seems, not only will you pay to increase their service coverage, but monthly as well.
I hope a reach-around comes with that deal.
Gotta admit, that's one hell of a commitment to increasing coverage and creating a reliable network.
Let's make everyone pay multiple month's of service up front along with an additional monthly service cost to put them to work for us.Total.
Fucking.  Insanity.
/END RANT
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450413</id>
	<title>What about wifi?</title>
	<author>javilon</author>
	<datestamp>1245838920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What stops you from doing the exact same thing using wifi? You connect your phone through wifi to a VoIP gateway that will route the call to any phone number you want to call. You just need a VoIP client installed on your handset. If you have a open handset, for example an Android one, that's easy and you can use this today within any wifi network you have access to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What stops you from doing the exact same thing using wifi ?
You connect your phone through wifi to a VoIP gateway that will route the call to any phone number you want to call .
You just need a VoIP client installed on your handset .
If you have a open handset , for example an Android one , that 's easy and you can use this today within any wifi network you have access to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What stops you from doing the exact same thing using wifi?
You connect your phone through wifi to a VoIP gateway that will route the call to any phone number you want to call.
You just need a VoIP client installed on your handset.
If you have a open handset, for example an Android one, that's easy and you can use this today within any wifi network you have access to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28452131</id>
	<title>Re:Uh no....</title>
	<author>weffew...</author>
	<datestamp>1245856920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In many places in the UK It's possible to get a totally uncapped, unbandwidth-shaped broadband connection for under &#194;&pound;15 which is actually usable (20Mbits down, 1.5 up).</p><p>As such, I don't agree that the bandwidth is necesarily an extra charge. The majority of homes in the UK already have bandwidth because they have broadband anyway - and the clever ones have Be* or o2 Broadband without caps. For those people, the voda femtocell may actually be pretty useful.</p><p>I've got friends who have great broadband but no mobile signal where they live: they are farmers. They spend a lot of time outdoors. This is *perfect* for them.</p><p>C</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In many places in the UK It 's possible to get a totally uncapped , unbandwidth-shaped broadband connection for under     15 which is actually usable ( 20Mbits down , 1.5 up ) .As such , I do n't agree that the bandwidth is necesarily an extra charge .
The majority of homes in the UK already have bandwidth because they have broadband anyway - and the clever ones have Be * or o2 Broadband without caps .
For those people , the voda femtocell may actually be pretty useful.I 've got friends who have great broadband but no mobile signal where they live : they are farmers .
They spend a lot of time outdoors .
This is * perfect * for them.C</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In many places in the UK It's possible to get a totally uncapped, unbandwidth-shaped broadband connection for under Â£15 which is actually usable (20Mbits down, 1.5 up).As such, I don't agree that the bandwidth is necesarily an extra charge.
The majority of homes in the UK already have bandwidth because they have broadband anyway - and the clever ones have Be* or o2 Broadband without caps.
For those people, the voda femtocell may actually be pretty useful.I've got friends who have great broadband but no mobile signal where they live: they are farmers.
They spend a lot of time outdoors.
This is *perfect* for them.C</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450585</id>
	<title>Already been done</title>
	<author>benwiggy</author>
	<datestamp>1245841800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>How is this different from, or better than, phones that automatically connect to wireless networks and use them for calls?<br>
My Orange Nokia 6301 supposedly does this in the UK.<p>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic\_Access\_Network" title="wikipedia.org">en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic\_Access\_Network</a> [wikipedia.org]
</p><p>
The 3G network "3" also claims to use Skype automatically to reduce call costs.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How is this different from , or better than , phones that automatically connect to wireless networks and use them for calls ?
My Orange Nokia 6301 supposedly does this in the UK .
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic \ _Access \ _Network [ wikipedia.org ] The 3G network " 3 " also claims to use Skype automatically to reduce call costs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How is this different from, or better than, phones that automatically connect to wireless networks and use them for calls?
My Orange Nokia 6301 supposedly does this in the UK.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic\_Access\_Network [wikipedia.org]

The 3G network "3" also claims to use Skype automatically to reduce call costs.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28453399</id>
	<title>Re:Uh no....</title>
	<author>AaronW</author>
	<datestamp>1245862200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have the Verizon network extender because inside my house gets very poor cell phone reception, likely due to the metal roof and chicken wire in the stucco walls. It actually works quite well. It's main drawbacks are that it requires a GPS antenna to be hooked up and it does not handle EVDO.</p><p>
&nbsp; It gives priority to the phone numbers I specify and only supports other phones when there is no other signal. It can support up to 3 simultaneous phone calls and reserves a fourth for 911. So far it has been working beautifully. My phone doesn't go dead in a matter of hours and I'm no longer missing or dropping calls.</p><p>The $250 was rather steep (they provided a $50 refund due to the poor coverage in my home), but at least now I have reliable cell coverage inside my house.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have the Verizon network extender because inside my house gets very poor cell phone reception , likely due to the metal roof and chicken wire in the stucco walls .
It actually works quite well .
It 's main drawbacks are that it requires a GPS antenna to be hooked up and it does not handle EVDO .
  It gives priority to the phone numbers I specify and only supports other phones when there is no other signal .
It can support up to 3 simultaneous phone calls and reserves a fourth for 911 .
So far it has been working beautifully .
My phone does n't go dead in a matter of hours and I 'm no longer missing or dropping calls.The $ 250 was rather steep ( they provided a $ 50 refund due to the poor coverage in my home ) , but at least now I have reliable cell coverage inside my house .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have the Verizon network extender because inside my house gets very poor cell phone reception, likely due to the metal roof and chicken wire in the stucco walls.
It actually works quite well.
It's main drawbacks are that it requires a GPS antenna to be hooked up and it does not handle EVDO.
  It gives priority to the phone numbers I specify and only supports other phones when there is no other signal.
It can support up to 3 simultaneous phone calls and reserves a fourth for 911.
So far it has been working beautifully.
My phone doesn't go dead in a matter of hours and I'm no longer missing or dropping calls.The $250 was rather steep (they provided a $50 refund due to the poor coverage in my home), but at least now I have reliable cell coverage inside my house.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450395</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450561</id>
	<title>Re:What about wifi?</title>
	<author>dark42</author>
	<datestamp>1245841500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>T-Mobile in the USA does just this with their Hotspot@Home service. You need to have a compatible handset with WiFi. The service costs about $10 a month and lets you make unlimited calls while you are on your WiFi network or T-mobile's WiFi hotspots in coffeeshops and such.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>T-Mobile in the USA does just this with their Hotspot @ Home service .
You need to have a compatible handset with WiFi .
The service costs about $ 10 a month and lets you make unlimited calls while you are on your WiFi network or T-mobile 's WiFi hotspots in coffeeshops and such .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>T-Mobile in the USA does just this with their Hotspot@Home service.
You need to have a compatible handset with WiFi.
The service costs about $10 a month and lets you make unlimited calls while you are on your WiFi network or T-mobile's WiFi hotspots in coffeeshops and such.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450413</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28462189</id>
	<title>They are not complaining</title>
	<author>WarJolt</author>
	<datestamp>1245858420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The only complaint might be from the broadband provider, who could be carrying traffic for a rival.</p> </div><p> The reason I use Comcast is because I can use high bandwidth services. I know Comcast doesn't have a cell phone network, but trust me, your ISP, weather or not they have a cell network, are not complaining about finding new reason why you should keep your service.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The only complaint might be from the broadband provider , who could be carrying traffic for a rival .
The reason I use Comcast is because I can use high bandwidth services .
I know Comcast does n't have a cell phone network , but trust me , your ISP , weather or not they have a cell network , are not complaining about finding new reason why you should keep your service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only complaint might be from the broadband provider, who could be carrying traffic for a rival.
The reason I use Comcast is because I can use high bandwidth services.
I know Comcast doesn't have a cell phone network, but trust me, your ISP, weather or not they have a cell network, are not complaining about finding new reason why you should keep your service.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28451477</id>
	<title>Great for us travellers!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245852840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I often visit the USA for several weeks at a time.</p><p>With this device, I'll simply be able to plug the cell into my broadband in the US and have access as if I was home in the UK, without any worries!</p><p>I do begrudge the idea of paying Vodafone for traffic in the UK, but outside, this sounds ideal!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I often visit the USA for several weeks at a time.With this device , I 'll simply be able to plug the cell into my broadband in the US and have access as if I was home in the UK , without any worries ! I do begrudge the idea of paying Vodafone for traffic in the UK , but outside , this sounds ideal !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I often visit the USA for several weeks at a time.With this device, I'll simply be able to plug the cell into my broadband in the US and have access as if I was home in the UK, without any worries!I do begrudge the idea of paying Vodafone for traffic in the UK, but outside, this sounds ideal!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450529</id>
	<title>Re:What about wifi?</title>
	<author>Mark Hood</author>
	<datestamp>1245841020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nothing, but if you want to use the same mobile number, there's no-one (as far as I'm aware) that allows that.</p><p>Ideally someone would come up with a single access number that finds me by the best method - cellphone when I'm out and about, over Skype/VOIP when I'm there, and voicemail when I'm not.</p><p>If I switch full time to Skype, I can use it at home, but it's a LOT harder when out and about - as far as I know, only '3' in the UK allow it explicitly on their handsets.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nothing , but if you want to use the same mobile number , there 's no-one ( as far as I 'm aware ) that allows that.Ideally someone would come up with a single access number that finds me by the best method - cellphone when I 'm out and about , over Skype/VOIP when I 'm there , and voicemail when I 'm not.If I switch full time to Skype , I can use it at home , but it 's a LOT harder when out and about - as far as I know , only '3 ' in the UK allow it explicitly on their handsets .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nothing, but if you want to use the same mobile number, there's no-one (as far as I'm aware) that allows that.Ideally someone would come up with a single access number that finds me by the best method - cellphone when I'm out and about, over Skype/VOIP when I'm there, and voicemail when I'm not.If I switch full time to Skype, I can use it at home, but it's a LOT harder when out and about - as far as I know, only '3' in the UK allow it explicitly on their handsets.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450413</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28454195</id>
	<title>Re:Can't your mobile do redirection??</title>
	<author>Glendale2x</author>
	<datestamp>1245864960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Anything with wires is totally uncool and no longer worth using - or so it seems. Personally, I still find myself occasionally using the land line attached to my DSL service.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Anything with wires is totally uncool and no longer worth using - or so it seems .
Personally , I still find myself occasionally using the land line attached to my DSL service .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anything with wires is totally uncool and no longer worth using - or so it seems.
Personally, I still find myself occasionally using the land line attached to my DSL service.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450803</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28462595</id>
	<title>Wrong, by a long way...</title>
	<author>bluestyle</author>
	<datestamp>1245861960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Innocent, until proven guilty. One of the older defaults in Western civilization.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Innocent , until proven guilty .
One of the older defaults in Western civilization .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Innocent, until proven guilty.
One of the older defaults in Western civilization.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450749</id>
	<title>Re:Uh no....</title>
	<author>SpooForBrains</author>
	<datestamp>1245844440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have to say, from what you've described, this device sounds like something I could really use. The mobile signal in my house is attrocious. In the US, you can use repeaters to extend coverage within your own house, but those devices are completely illegal in the UK. If this offers a viable, legal alternative, I'd definitely consider it.</p><p>Of course, 1. I'm on 3, not voda, and 2. I can't afford to drop the cash on it. But, in principle<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have to say , from what you 've described , this device sounds like something I could really use .
The mobile signal in my house is attrocious .
In the US , you can use repeaters to extend coverage within your own house , but those devices are completely illegal in the UK .
If this offers a viable , legal alternative , I 'd definitely consider it.Of course , 1 .
I 'm on 3 , not voda , and 2 .
I ca n't afford to drop the cash on it .
But , in principle .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have to say, from what you've described, this device sounds like something I could really use.
The mobile signal in my house is attrocious.
In the US, you can use repeaters to extend coverage within your own house, but those devices are completely illegal in the UK.
If this offers a viable, legal alternative, I'd definitely consider it.Of course, 1.
I'm on 3, not voda, and 2.
I can't afford to drop the cash on it.
But, in principle ...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450395</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450711</id>
	<title>Data over this thing?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245843900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why would you use a laptop and a dongle to transfer data over this thing? What was the submitter thinking, why wouldn't you just use wifi?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why would you use a laptop and a dongle to transfer data over this thing ?
What was the submitter thinking , why would n't you just use wifi ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why would you use a laptop and a dongle to transfer data over this thing?
What was the submitter thinking, why wouldn't you just use wifi?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450861</id>
	<title>Re:What about wifi?</title>
	<author>Sobrique</author>
	<datestamp>1245846420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Because a VOIP call works fine for outbound, it's not so great for inbound on your published phone number for your company mobile.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Because a VOIP call works fine for outbound , it 's not so great for inbound on your published phone number for your company mobile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because a VOIP call works fine for outbound, it's not so great for inbound on your published phone number for your company mobile.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450413</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450557</id>
	<title>uggh</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245841380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>uggh ughh this news made me cover my laptop in man juice. ugh ugh even more. maybe i can call someone on my new femtocell to help clean up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>uggh ughh this news made me cover my laptop in man juice .
ugh ugh even more .
maybe i can call someone on my new femtocell to help clean up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>uggh ughh this news made me cover my laptop in man juice.
ugh ugh even more.
maybe i can call someone on my new femtocell to help clean up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450393</id>
	<title>I love it!</title>
	<author>L4t3r4lu5</author>
	<datestamp>1245838620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I can pay for overpriced mobile data charges while paying for over-subscribed and under-performing broadband!<br> <br> <b>It's fucking win-win for big business.</b></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can pay for overpriced mobile data charges while paying for over-subscribed and under-performing broadband !
It 's fucking win-win for big business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can pay for overpriced mobile data charges while paying for over-subscribed and under-performing broadband!
It's fucking win-win for big business.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28451051</id>
	<title>Re:Uh no....</title>
	<author>limaxray</author>
	<datestamp>1245849000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have one with Verizon and I'm fairly sure you can restrict access to it by handset if you like.  I've never bothered because I really couldn't care less if some stranger uses a bit of my bandwidth.  Furthermore, it only allows a limited number of calls at one time - 5 IIRC - so it's not like the entire neighbourhood will be using your internet connection.  Lastly, the range isn't that great, (remember, this thing is using licensed spectrum) so if you live somewhere where you need this (ie in a non-densely populated area) I highly doubt your neighbours can connect to it anyway.  Heck, I can't connect to it from more than a few feet outside my house.<br> <br>I do agree the cost is kind of high (I feel less as bad for myself seeing as those in the UK really get screwed with a monthly fee) but if you need service, you need service.  I'd rather cough up the extra cash to have good coverage and live where I want to live (aka bumfuck).  The only other option would be a cellular repeater with an antenna mounted on your roof and that'd be significantly more expensive and dependant on the reception already available.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have one with Verizon and I 'm fairly sure you can restrict access to it by handset if you like .
I 've never bothered because I really could n't care less if some stranger uses a bit of my bandwidth .
Furthermore , it only allows a limited number of calls at one time - 5 IIRC - so it 's not like the entire neighbourhood will be using your internet connection .
Lastly , the range is n't that great , ( remember , this thing is using licensed spectrum ) so if you live somewhere where you need this ( ie in a non-densely populated area ) I highly doubt your neighbours can connect to it anyway .
Heck , I ca n't connect to it from more than a few feet outside my house .
I do agree the cost is kind of high ( I feel less as bad for myself seeing as those in the UK really get screwed with a monthly fee ) but if you need service , you need service .
I 'd rather cough up the extra cash to have good coverage and live where I want to live ( aka bumfuck ) .
The only other option would be a cellular repeater with an antenna mounted on your roof and that 'd be significantly more expensive and dependant on the reception already available .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have one with Verizon and I'm fairly sure you can restrict access to it by handset if you like.
I've never bothered because I really couldn't care less if some stranger uses a bit of my bandwidth.
Furthermore, it only allows a limited number of calls at one time - 5 IIRC - so it's not like the entire neighbourhood will be using your internet connection.
Lastly, the range isn't that great, (remember, this thing is using licensed spectrum) so if you live somewhere where you need this (ie in a non-densely populated area) I highly doubt your neighbours can connect to it anyway.
Heck, I can't connect to it from more than a few feet outside my house.
I do agree the cost is kind of high (I feel less as bad for myself seeing as those in the UK really get screwed with a monthly fee) but if you need service, you need service.
I'd rather cough up the extra cash to have good coverage and live where I want to live (aka bumfuck).
The only other option would be a cellular repeater with an antenna mounted on your roof and that'd be significantly more expensive and dependant on the reception already available.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450395</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450583</id>
	<title>Whine Whine Whine</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245841800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>$250 is not a lot for a device like that.  You're forgetting that the ADSL routers (and every other piece of hardware) only reached their low prices through massive mass production.  You're not going to get that for a niche device like this.</p><p>You Americans seem to be completely out of touch with what electronics actually cost to produce.  This, the whining about Apple's price decreases "cheating" early adopters, and everyone talking about "overpriced" $800 cell phones in comparison to "$99" phones you buy on credit disguised as network service.</p><p>Why do you all have entitlement issues, even the nerds?  If $250 is too much for you, DON'T BUY IT.  Seriously.  I've even seen some say that the cell phone company should replace their damaged "$99" ($800) phone for free if they expect them to keep paying the "network" bills.</p><p>Also, the cell phone companies are not charities.  They do a lot of shitty things, but if you expect 100\% coverage in the whole country, maybe you should have made it a license requirement!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>$ 250 is not a lot for a device like that .
You 're forgetting that the ADSL routers ( and every other piece of hardware ) only reached their low prices through massive mass production .
You 're not going to get that for a niche device like this.You Americans seem to be completely out of touch with what electronics actually cost to produce .
This , the whining about Apple 's price decreases " cheating " early adopters , and everyone talking about " overpriced " $ 800 cell phones in comparison to " $ 99 " phones you buy on credit disguised as network service.Why do you all have entitlement issues , even the nerds ?
If $ 250 is too much for you , DO N'T BUY IT .
Seriously. I 've even seen some say that the cell phone company should replace their damaged " $ 99 " ( $ 800 ) phone for free if they expect them to keep paying the " network " bills.Also , the cell phone companies are not charities .
They do a lot of shitty things , but if you expect 100 \ % coverage in the whole country , maybe you should have made it a license requirement !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>$250 is not a lot for a device like that.
You're forgetting that the ADSL routers (and every other piece of hardware) only reached their low prices through massive mass production.
You're not going to get that for a niche device like this.You Americans seem to be completely out of touch with what electronics actually cost to produce.
This, the whining about Apple's price decreases "cheating" early adopters, and everyone talking about "overpriced" $800 cell phones in comparison to "$99" phones you buy on credit disguised as network service.Why do you all have entitlement issues, even the nerds?
If $250 is too much for you, DON'T BUY IT.
Seriously.  I've even seen some say that the cell phone company should replace their damaged "$99" ($800) phone for free if they expect them to keep paying the "network" bills.Also, the cell phone companies are not charities.
They do a lot of shitty things, but if you expect 100\% coverage in the whole country, maybe you should have made it a license requirement!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450395</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28453825</id>
	<title>paul524</title>
	<author>paul524</author>
	<datestamp>1245863760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is good news. Mobile internet is so important. I am looking for good mobile <a href="http://www.hostwaffle.com/" title="hostwaffle.com" rel="nofollow">web hosting</a> [hostwaffle.com] service. Nice story here. Thanks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is good news .
Mobile internet is so important .
I am looking for good mobile web hosting [ hostwaffle.com ] service .
Nice story here .
Thanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is good news.
Mobile internet is so important.
I am looking for good mobile web hosting [hostwaffle.com] service.
Nice story here.
Thanks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450487</id>
	<title>Orange got there first</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245840120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>WRONG - Orange was the first UK/European company to offer their service via a broadband connection. Their femtocell offering was called unique phone and was released well over a year ago!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>WRONG - Orange was the first UK/European company to offer their service via a broadband connection .
Their femtocell offering was called unique phone and was released well over a year ago !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>WRONG - Orange was the first UK/European company to offer their service via a broadband connection.
Their femtocell offering was called unique phone and was released well over a year ago!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450687</id>
	<title>Re:Uh no....</title>
	<author>ILongForDarkness</author>
	<datestamp>1245843540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Okay so you live in an area with shitty reception. Now you got a device that you can use to use your cell phone at home. But as soon as you leave your home you're in a dead zone. So maybe you are lucky and where you work/hang out has reception and now home has reception too so you can now justify a cell phone. But chances are you can't use your cellphone when you are at work anyways, and if you can it is a work phone and you aren't supposed to use it for personal calls. I wouldn't go out and by a cellphone for this, what the heck have people not heard of cordless phones either through their landline or VOIP?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay so you live in an area with shitty reception .
Now you got a device that you can use to use your cell phone at home .
But as soon as you leave your home you 're in a dead zone .
So maybe you are lucky and where you work/hang out has reception and now home has reception too so you can now justify a cell phone .
But chances are you ca n't use your cellphone when you are at work anyways , and if you can it is a work phone and you are n't supposed to use it for personal calls .
I would n't go out and by a cellphone for this , what the heck have people not heard of cordless phones either through their landline or VOIP ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay so you live in an area with shitty reception.
Now you got a device that you can use to use your cell phone at home.
But as soon as you leave your home you're in a dead zone.
So maybe you are lucky and where you work/hang out has reception and now home has reception too so you can now justify a cell phone.
But chances are you can't use your cellphone when you are at work anyways, and if you can it is a work phone and you aren't supposed to use it for personal calls.
I wouldn't go out and by a cellphone for this, what the heck have people not heard of cordless phones either through their landline or VOIP?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450395</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450803</id>
	<title>Can't your mobile do redirection??</title>
	<author>Viol8</author>
	<datestamp>1245845340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When you're at home just redirect your mobile to you landline FFS! Or is using a phone that plugs into the wall just so uncool these days that you'd sooner be with no phone service at all?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When you 're at home just redirect your mobile to you landline FFS !
Or is using a phone that plugs into the wall just so uncool these days that you 'd sooner be with no phone service at all ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you're at home just redirect your mobile to you landline FFS!
Or is using a phone that plugs into the wall just so uncool these days that you'd sooner be with no phone service at all?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450433</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450513</id>
	<title>Old buildings</title>
	<author>xaxa</author>
	<datestamp>1245840780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This seems to be targetted at home users, which isn't what I was expecting.</p><p>There are lots of old buildings in Europe, and some of them have really, really thick stone walls. Some of them only have moderately thick stone walls. Something that provided a signal in buildings like this would be useful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This seems to be targetted at home users , which is n't what I was expecting.There are lots of old buildings in Europe , and some of them have really , really thick stone walls .
Some of them only have moderately thick stone walls .
Something that provided a signal in buildings like this would be useful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This seems to be targetted at home users, which isn't what I was expecting.There are lots of old buildings in Europe, and some of them have really, really thick stone walls.
Some of them only have moderately thick stone walls.
Something that provided a signal in buildings like this would be useful.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28464365</id>
	<title>There have been these for ages</title>
	<author>gnsr</author>
	<datestamp>1245926760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have seen these products installed since years ago here in Portugal, mainly in basement datacenters, and companies (both small companies and big companies) that where located in low coverage areas. Usually they would be connected directly to a phone line or a fibre cable, but they were there and this is nothing new in technology itself.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have seen these products installed since years ago here in Portugal , mainly in basement datacenters , and companies ( both small companies and big companies ) that where located in low coverage areas .
Usually they would be connected directly to a phone line or a fibre cable , but they were there and this is nothing new in technology itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have seen these products installed since years ago here in Portugal, mainly in basement datacenters, and companies (both small companies and big companies) that where located in low coverage areas.
Usually they would be connected directly to a phone line or a fibre cable, but they were there and this is nothing new in technology itself.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450433</id>
	<title>Re:Uh no....</title>
	<author>quarkoid</author>
	<datestamp>1245839160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would agree with you entirely, were it not for the fact that Voda appear to be locking this box down to certain handsets.</p><p>However, I agree entirely - why should I pay an additional monthly fee to Voda just so I can use their service from my house when I can walk fifty yards down the street and not have to pay? Further, not only am I paying Voda for the privilege of saving them money, but I then have to fork out for additional bandwidth on my home broadband.</p><p>All that having been said, one of only two reasons my company has an office is for mobile coverage. If I can get coverage at home (and those of my staff), there's no reason not to move to home working any more. The additional cost of the cells would still result in a saving if we don't have to pay for the offices.</p><p>Ho hum.</p><p>Nick.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would agree with you entirely , were it not for the fact that Voda appear to be locking this box down to certain handsets.However , I agree entirely - why should I pay an additional monthly fee to Voda just so I can use their service from my house when I can walk fifty yards down the street and not have to pay ?
Further , not only am I paying Voda for the privilege of saving them money , but I then have to fork out for additional bandwidth on my home broadband.All that having been said , one of only two reasons my company has an office is for mobile coverage .
If I can get coverage at home ( and those of my staff ) , there 's no reason not to move to home working any more .
The additional cost of the cells would still result in a saving if we do n't have to pay for the offices.Ho hum.Nick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would agree with you entirely, were it not for the fact that Voda appear to be locking this box down to certain handsets.However, I agree entirely - why should I pay an additional monthly fee to Voda just so I can use their service from my house when I can walk fifty yards down the street and not have to pay?
Further, not only am I paying Voda for the privilege of saving them money, but I then have to fork out for additional bandwidth on my home broadband.All that having been said, one of only two reasons my company has an office is for mobile coverage.
If I can get coverage at home (and those of my staff), there's no reason not to move to home working any more.
The additional cost of the cells would still result in a saving if we don't have to pay for the offices.Ho hum.Nick.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28450971</id>
	<title>Re:Orange got there first</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245848100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>actualy BT got there first. with bt fusion.<br>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT\_Fusion</p><p>as Orange's offering like fusion used wifi as a fetmo cell.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>actualy BT got there first .
with bt fusion.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT \ _Fusionas Orange 's offering like fusion used wifi as a fetmo cell .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>actualy BT got there first.
with bt fusion.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BT\_Fusionas Orange's offering like fusion used wifi as a fetmo cell.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1931201.28451409</id>
	<title>VOIP</title>
	<author>karait</author>
	<datestamp>1245852420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Am I missing something but if you are at home couldn't you use your telephone (the one with the broadband) or use VOIP.  Why would you use your cell over your own infrastructure and let vodafone charge you for doing so. Now if you got a discount for making calls via the femtocell i.e. you got a discounted rate when at home then (if the price was right) you could use your cell all the time and not the house phone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I missing something but if you are at home could n't you use your telephone ( the one with the broadband ) or use VOIP .
Why would you use your cell over your own infrastructure and let vodafone charge you for doing so .
Now if you got a discount for making calls via the femtocell i.e .
you got a discounted rate when at home then ( if the price was right ) you could use your cell all the time and not the house phone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I missing something but if you are at home couldn't you use your telephone (the one with the broadband) or use VOIP.
Why would you use your cell over your own infrastructure and let vodafone charge you for doing so.
Now if you got a discount for making calls via the femtocell i.e.
you got a discounted rate when at home then (if the price was right) you could use your cell all the time and not the house phone.</sentencetext>
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