<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_23_1235230</id>
	<title>Verified Identity Pass Shuts Down "Clear" Operations</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1245761700000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>torrentami writes that Verified Identity Pass, operator of the "Clear" program, which allowed pre-screened passengers faster access to US airport gates, <i>"sent out emails to its subscribers today informing them that <a href="http://travel.latimes.com/daily-deal-blog/index.php/registered-traveler--4694/">as of 11 p.m. PST they will cease operations</a>.  Clear was a pioneer in speeding customers through security at airports and had planned on expanding to large events.  The service, where it was available, offered a first class security experience for travelers willing to fork over $200 a year and their biometrics.  Customers are now left holding their Flyclear cards with encrypted biometrics.  The question now becomes, what happens to all that information?  This is not the first time Clear has been in the news.  A laptop containing customer records was reportedly missing from the San Francisco International airport recently but then turned up shortly thereafter. Another casualty of the recession's downturn in business travel."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>torrentami writes that Verified Identity Pass , operator of the " Clear " program , which allowed pre-screened passengers faster access to US airport gates , " sent out emails to its subscribers today informing them that as of 11 p.m. PST they will cease operations .
Clear was a pioneer in speeding customers through security at airports and had planned on expanding to large events .
The service , where it was available , offered a first class security experience for travelers willing to fork over $ 200 a year and their biometrics .
Customers are now left holding their Flyclear cards with encrypted biometrics .
The question now becomes , what happens to all that information ?
This is not the first time Clear has been in the news .
A laptop containing customer records was reportedly missing from the San Francisco International airport recently but then turned up shortly thereafter .
Another casualty of the recession 's downturn in business travel .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>torrentami writes that Verified Identity Pass, operator of the "Clear" program, which allowed pre-screened passengers faster access to US airport gates, "sent out emails to its subscribers today informing them that as of 11 p.m. PST they will cease operations.
Clear was a pioneer in speeding customers through security at airports and had planned on expanding to large events.
The service, where it was available, offered a first class security experience for travelers willing to fork over $200 a year and their biometrics.
Customers are now left holding their Flyclear cards with encrypted biometrics.
The question now becomes, what happens to all that information?
This is not the first time Clear has been in the news.
A laptop containing customer records was reportedly missing from the San Francisco International airport recently but then turned up shortly thereafter.
Another casualty of the recession's downturn in business travel.
"</sentencetext>
</article>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438491</id>
	<title>Whats the point?</title>
	<author>adosch</author>
	<datestamp>1245770340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What did 'Clear' really accomplish other than making another specialty line for others to stand in?  Even so, all Clear really confirms for me is that if you happen to have a name that easily gets associated with a terrorist on "The Watch List", then this is all that it will circumvent.

Other things like making sure you booked your flight with the same name as what is on your drivers license, making sure you have all your electronic devices pulled out of their cas(es), have no liquids over 2-3oz with you and plenty of other and anything else is pretty general as far as flying and airport rules are concerned.  I'd say piss poor planning or TTR-VIP (Think They Are a Very Important Person) syndrome has a lot to do with people's woes at the airport.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What did 'Clear ' really accomplish other than making another specialty line for others to stand in ?
Even so , all Clear really confirms for me is that if you happen to have a name that easily gets associated with a terrorist on " The Watch List " , then this is all that it will circumvent .
Other things like making sure you booked your flight with the same name as what is on your drivers license , making sure you have all your electronic devices pulled out of their cas ( es ) , have no liquids over 2-3oz with you and plenty of other and anything else is pretty general as far as flying and airport rules are concerned .
I 'd say piss poor planning or TTR-VIP ( Think They Are a Very Important Person ) syndrome has a lot to do with people 's woes at the airport .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What did 'Clear' really accomplish other than making another specialty line for others to stand in?
Even so, all Clear really confirms for me is that if you happen to have a name that easily gets associated with a terrorist on "The Watch List", then this is all that it will circumvent.
Other things like making sure you booked your flight with the same name as what is on your drivers license, making sure you have all your electronic devices pulled out of their cas(es), have no liquids over 2-3oz with you and plenty of other and anything else is pretty general as far as flying and airport rules are concerned.
I'd say piss poor planning or TTR-VIP (Think They Are a Very Important Person) syndrome has a lot to do with people's woes at the airport.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28448125</id>
	<title>Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245767640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Worse yet is that in some airports, they only have it available to passengers flying a certain airline (e.g. in Cincinnati, you can only go through Clear if you are flying Delta -- most American, US Air and United customers would have to go through good old TSA since the Delta terminal is not connected with any other terminal)</p></div><p>I'm not sure about other airports, but in Cincinnati, the Delta terminal is the only terminal with any significant traffic. Terminal 2 - the non-Delta terminal - may have three departures an hour at the busiest time of the day. Putting Clear in that terminal would have been pointless, because the regular security line would move just as quickly as a Clear line.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Worse yet is that in some airports , they only have it available to passengers flying a certain airline ( e.g .
in Cincinnati , you can only go through Clear if you are flying Delta -- most American , US Air and United customers would have to go through good old TSA since the Delta terminal is not connected with any other terminal ) I 'm not sure about other airports , but in Cincinnati , the Delta terminal is the only terminal with any significant traffic .
Terminal 2 - the non-Delta terminal - may have three departures an hour at the busiest time of the day .
Putting Clear in that terminal would have been pointless , because the regular security line would move just as quickly as a Clear line .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Worse yet is that in some airports, they only have it available to passengers flying a certain airline (e.g.
in Cincinnati, you can only go through Clear if you are flying Delta -- most American, US Air and United customers would have to go through good old TSA since the Delta terminal is not connected with any other terminal)I'm not sure about other airports, but in Cincinnati, the Delta terminal is the only terminal with any significant traffic.
Terminal 2 - the non-Delta terminal - may have three departures an hour at the busiest time of the day.
Putting Clear in that terminal would have been pointless, because the regular security line would move just as quickly as a Clear line.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28439233</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28449333</id>
	<title>Sold to the highest bidder</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245781560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The question now becomes, what happens to all that information? "</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Well, you guys gave your biometric info to a private company, that's presumably gone belly-up.  Your private info will therefore be sold to the highest bidder during bankruptcy sales.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Moral of the story: Don't give private info to some random company.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The question now becomes , what happens to all that information ?
"           Well , you guys gave your biometric info to a private company , that 's presumably gone belly-up .
Your private info will therefore be sold to the highest bidder during bankruptcy sales .
          Moral of the story : Do n't give private info to some random company .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The question now becomes, what happens to all that information?
"
          Well, you guys gave your biometric info to a private company, that's presumably gone belly-up.
Your private info will therefore be sold to the highest bidder during bankruptcy sales.
          Moral of the story: Don't give private info to some random company.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438123</id>
	<title>Private companies selling public space</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245768480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Priority lines at the airport bug me. First class passengers are not paying me or the airport, the airline is collecting the cash. So why should they get special treatment and make the wait worse for the rest of us? Maybe I should set up a toll booth on my street. Or go to the DMV and set up velvet ropes to one station, and sell the "right" to that quicker line for $50/head.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Priority lines at the airport bug me .
First class passengers are not paying me or the airport , the airline is collecting the cash .
So why should they get special treatment and make the wait worse for the rest of us ?
Maybe I should set up a toll booth on my street .
Or go to the DMV and set up velvet ropes to one station , and sell the " right " to that quicker line for $ 50/head .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Priority lines at the airport bug me.
First class passengers are not paying me or the airport, the airline is collecting the cash.
So why should they get special treatment and make the wait worse for the rest of us?
Maybe I should set up a toll booth on my street.
Or go to the DMV and set up velvet ropes to one station, and sell the "right" to that quicker line for $50/head.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438813</id>
	<title>I'm a Clear customer, but not out in the cold yet.</title>
	<author>joedoc</author>
	<datestamp>1245771780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I signed up for Clear last year. I live in northeast Florida but work in DC, so I fly to and from Jacksonville to Reagan in DC or BWI up in Baltimore. Reagan and Dulles had Clear lines, BWI does not.
<br> <br>
In Jacksonville, the service was there prior to Clear. Called Preferred Traveler, it's operated by a company called <a href="http://www.jax-vip.com/Default.aspx" title="jax-vip.com">Vigilant Solutions</a> [jax-vip.com]. They always accepted my Clear credential. I contacted their office this morning via email and was informed that they are still operating and will continue to accept Clear's card at their gates. If you look at the list of their participating airports on their site, you'll see a long list. I don't know if these are their exclusive locations or ones that include Clear's lines, since I know Clear accepted their credentials as well.
<br> <br>
The Clear shutdown news was a shock...I thought the email I received last night was a joke or spam, until I verified the news at their website.
<br> <br>
Fortunately for me, I can still use my card where I need to most frequently: flying out of Jacksonville on Monday mornings. The regular security lines there can be brutally long, and using the Preferred Traveler line saves me more than 30 minutes of waiting. I can sleep later, the wife can sleep later, and I'm getting to my gate with no pressure. Worth every penny.
<br> <br>
My hope is that some enterprising company steps in and take over Clear's operations. The service is really great.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I signed up for Clear last year .
I live in northeast Florida but work in DC , so I fly to and from Jacksonville to Reagan in DC or BWI up in Baltimore .
Reagan and Dulles had Clear lines , BWI does not .
In Jacksonville , the service was there prior to Clear .
Called Preferred Traveler , it 's operated by a company called Vigilant Solutions [ jax-vip.com ] .
They always accepted my Clear credential .
I contacted their office this morning via email and was informed that they are still operating and will continue to accept Clear 's card at their gates .
If you look at the list of their participating airports on their site , you 'll see a long list .
I do n't know if these are their exclusive locations or ones that include Clear 's lines , since I know Clear accepted their credentials as well .
The Clear shutdown news was a shock...I thought the email I received last night was a joke or spam , until I verified the news at their website .
Fortunately for me , I can still use my card where I need to most frequently : flying out of Jacksonville on Monday mornings .
The regular security lines there can be brutally long , and using the Preferred Traveler line saves me more than 30 minutes of waiting .
I can sleep later , the wife can sleep later , and I 'm getting to my gate with no pressure .
Worth every penny .
My hope is that some enterprising company steps in and take over Clear 's operations .
The service is really great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I signed up for Clear last year.
I live in northeast Florida but work in DC, so I fly to and from Jacksonville to Reagan in DC or BWI up in Baltimore.
Reagan and Dulles had Clear lines, BWI does not.
In Jacksonville, the service was there prior to Clear.
Called Preferred Traveler, it's operated by a company called Vigilant Solutions [jax-vip.com].
They always accepted my Clear credential.
I contacted their office this morning via email and was informed that they are still operating and will continue to accept Clear's card at their gates.
If you look at the list of their participating airports on their site, you'll see a long list.
I don't know if these are their exclusive locations or ones that include Clear's lines, since I know Clear accepted their credentials as well.
The Clear shutdown news was a shock...I thought the email I received last night was a joke or spam, until I verified the news at their website.
Fortunately for me, I can still use my card where I need to most frequently: flying out of Jacksonville on Monday mornings.
The regular security lines there can be brutally long, and using the Preferred Traveler line saves me more than 30 minutes of waiting.
I can sleep later, the wife can sleep later, and I'm getting to my gate with no pressure.
Worth every penny.
My hope is that some enterprising company steps in and take over Clear's operations.
The service is really great.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28439539</id>
	<title>Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245774480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, I'd heard about Orlando, but there are other places where it was a godsend:<br>SJC terminal A, IAD, SFO.  Most other places, it only helped if you hit at peak times.<br>I still support the idea of faster treatment for pre-screened frequent flyers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I 'd heard about Orlando , but there are other places where it was a godsend : SJC terminal A , IAD , SFO .
Most other places , it only helped if you hit at peak times.I still support the idea of faster treatment for pre-screened frequent flyers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I'd heard about Orlando, but there are other places where it was a godsend:SJC terminal A, IAD, SFO.
Most other places, it only helped if you hit at peak times.I still support the idea of faster treatment for pre-screened frequent flyers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437599</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437971</id>
	<title>Re:There goes my argument...</title>
	<author>i.r.id10t</author>
	<datestamp>1245767640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, you'd think a concealed carry permit would work just as well... fed and state background checks, finger prints, photos, etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , you 'd think a concealed carry permit would work just as well... fed and state background checks , finger prints , photos , etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, you'd think a concealed carry permit would work just as well... fed and state background checks, finger prints, photos, etc.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437637</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28442619</id>
	<title>anonymous coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245785520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>me and my wife decided to make our own clear pass. Her name is Lexi, she's 18 months old, she weighs just over 20 pounds and can get us through ANY airport in the world (heathrow, JFK, stantead,dallas,minneapolis,etc...) in absolute record time.  only thing you have to do is get in line and wait for some moron around you to try to touch her, she screams like shes being murdered and we get our own escort through security.  Never friggen fails.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>me and my wife decided to make our own clear pass .
Her name is Lexi , she 's 18 months old , she weighs just over 20 pounds and can get us through ANY airport in the world ( heathrow , JFK , stantead,dallas,minneapolis,etc... ) in absolute record time .
only thing you have to do is get in line and wait for some moron around you to try to touch her , she screams like shes being murdered and we get our own escort through security .
Never friggen fails .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>me and my wife decided to make our own clear pass.
Her name is Lexi, she's 18 months old, she weighs just over 20 pounds and can get us through ANY airport in the world (heathrow, JFK, stantead,dallas,minneapolis,etc...) in absolute record time.
only thing you have to do is get in line and wait for some moron around you to try to touch her, she screams like shes being murdered and we get our own escort through security.
Never friggen fails.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28447943</id>
	<title>Re: altitude and seepage</title>
	<author>tcgroat</author>
	<datestamp>1245765900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>About the bottle and altitude effects. Use a plastic bottle and fill it not quite full. Squeeze the sides gently to displace about a third of the air, then cap it. Now you have expansion space, so your bottle won't be pressurized. You can open it safely in flight and take a drink. This also applies to toiletry items, especially if you're flying (or driving) from sea level to a high altitude city such as Denver. A tightly sealed bottle can pick up more than 2 PSI from the altitude change, helping the contents ooze out. That's why I was putting bottles into zip-lock baggies long before TSA made it mandatory.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>About the bottle and altitude effects .
Use a plastic bottle and fill it not quite full .
Squeeze the sides gently to displace about a third of the air , then cap it .
Now you have expansion space , so your bottle wo n't be pressurized .
You can open it safely in flight and take a drink .
This also applies to toiletry items , especially if you 're flying ( or driving ) from sea level to a high altitude city such as Denver .
A tightly sealed bottle can pick up more than 2 PSI from the altitude change , helping the contents ooze out .
That 's why I was putting bottles into zip-lock baggies long before TSA made it mandatory .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>About the bottle and altitude effects.
Use a plastic bottle and fill it not quite full.
Squeeze the sides gently to displace about a third of the air, then cap it.
Now you have expansion space, so your bottle won't be pressurized.
You can open it safely in flight and take a drink.
This also applies to toiletry items, especially if you're flying (or driving) from sea level to a high altitude city such as Denver.
A tightly sealed bottle can pick up more than 2 PSI from the altitude change, helping the contents ooze out.
That's why I was putting bottles into zip-lock baggies long before TSA made it mandatory.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438259</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28441831</id>
	<title>Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245782880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What they need to do is to set up two lines, LINE A should be clearly marked with signs that say line up here and the TSA dick telling each person to line up there. LINE B on the other hand should be unmarked and go unmentioned. At the screening booth for LINE A there should be 2 TSA agents, one to watch the X-Ray (or Jerry Springer... I sometimes wonder.), and the other one to watch you go through the metal detector. LINE B should have 50 TSA agents and everyone should be subject to anal probes.</p><p>If you haven't figured where I was going with this yet, I'll spell it out. The clearly marked LINE A is for frequent travelers and non-morons, LINE B is for everyone else who has no \%^*&amp;\%@ clue and can't listen to simple #^&amp;$@ instructions.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What they need to do is to set up two lines , LINE A should be clearly marked with signs that say line up here and the TSA dick telling each person to line up there .
LINE B on the other hand should be unmarked and go unmentioned .
At the screening booth for LINE A there should be 2 TSA agents , one to watch the X-Ray ( or Jerry Springer... I sometimes wonder .
) , and the other one to watch you go through the metal detector .
LINE B should have 50 TSA agents and everyone should be subject to anal probes.If you have n't figured where I was going with this yet , I 'll spell it out .
The clearly marked LINE A is for frequent travelers and non-morons , LINE B is for everyone else who has no \ % ^ * &amp; \ % @ clue and ca n't listen to simple # ^ &amp; $ @ instructions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What they need to do is to set up two lines, LINE A should be clearly marked with signs that say line up here and the TSA dick telling each person to line up there.
LINE B on the other hand should be unmarked and go unmentioned.
At the screening booth for LINE A there should be 2 TSA agents, one to watch the X-Ray (or Jerry Springer... I sometimes wonder.
), and the other one to watch you go through the metal detector.
LINE B should have 50 TSA agents and everyone should be subject to anal probes.If you haven't figured where I was going with this yet, I'll spell it out.
The clearly marked LINE A is for frequent travelers and non-morons, LINE B is for everyone else who has no \%^*&amp;\%@ clue and can't listen to simple #^&amp;$@ instructions.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437599</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28446801</id>
	<title>Re:Security Theater</title>
	<author>Larry Lightbulb</author>
	<datestamp>1245758100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Heathrow, terminal 5.  I know there's water fountains there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Heathrow , terminal 5 .
I know there 's water fountains there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heathrow, terminal 5.
I know there's water fountains there.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28439269</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28439171</id>
	<title>Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando...</title>
	<author>WBDinnigan</author>
	<datestamp>1245773160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speaking of training, wouldn't it be helpful if someone put up an instructional video or a website with instructions on how to go through security and the airport in general? If so many people are having trouble, it seems to me that the average flyer (hey, that's me!) needs a bit of extra help. I don't see the current situation changing any time soon, so a bit of instruction would be helpful.</p><p>A pamphlet would be good, too- something to quickly check when waiting or before I arrive. I know that I use the bus schedules like that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking of training , would n't it be helpful if someone put up an instructional video or a website with instructions on how to go through security and the airport in general ?
If so many people are having trouble , it seems to me that the average flyer ( hey , that 's me !
) needs a bit of extra help .
I do n't see the current situation changing any time soon , so a bit of instruction would be helpful.A pamphlet would be good , too- something to quickly check when waiting or before I arrive .
I know that I use the bus schedules like that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking of training, wouldn't it be helpful if someone put up an instructional video or a website with instructions on how to go through security and the airport in general?
If so many people are having trouble, it seems to me that the average flyer (hey, that's me!
) needs a bit of extra help.
I don't see the current situation changing any time soon, so a bit of instruction would be helpful.A pamphlet would be good, too- something to quickly check when waiting or before I arrive.
I know that I use the bus schedules like that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437599</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28456603</id>
	<title>Re:Good riddance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245873300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Frequent flyers will just continue to utilize their designated lanes for travel.  In Chicago, for example, they have a dedicate First or Exec. Platinum lane ONLY near the AA check-in.  Your hope for equality in dissatisfaction will not occur- sorry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Frequent flyers will just continue to utilize their designated lanes for travel .
In Chicago , for example , they have a dedicate First or Exec .
Platinum lane ONLY near the AA check-in .
Your hope for equality in dissatisfaction will not occur- sorry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Frequent flyers will just continue to utilize their designated lanes for travel.
In Chicago, for example, they have a dedicate First or Exec.
Platinum lane ONLY near the AA check-in.
Your hope for equality in dissatisfaction will not occur- sorry.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438067</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28441249</id>
	<title>Re:Heathrow T5</title>
	<author>mattwarden</author>
	<datestamp>1245780960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This isn't the same thing. Priority lines are all over the place and have nothing to do with Clear. You do not have to pay extra to use priority lines.</p><p>See also: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered\_Traveler#Clear" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered\_Traveler#Clear</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is n't the same thing .
Priority lines are all over the place and have nothing to do with Clear .
You do not have to pay extra to use priority lines.See also : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered \ _Traveler # Clear [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This isn't the same thing.
Priority lines are all over the place and have nothing to do with Clear.
You do not have to pay extra to use priority lines.See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered\_Traveler#Clear [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438259</id>
	<title>Re:Security Theater</title>
	<author>Queltor</author>
	<datestamp>1245769080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All the people who complain about having to buy water make me laugh.</p><p>The prohibition is on the liquid, not the container. If you want to have a bottle of water on the plane then carry an empty bottle through security. I've carried reused plastic bottles, Nalgene hiking-type bottles, and even a metal Kleen Kanteen through security without any problems. Once you're through security, find a water fountain and fill up!</p><p>Just remember to vent the bottle once on the plane. The pressure changes can leave you with a leaking bottle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All the people who complain about having to buy water make me laugh.The prohibition is on the liquid , not the container .
If you want to have a bottle of water on the plane then carry an empty bottle through security .
I 've carried reused plastic bottles , Nalgene hiking-type bottles , and even a metal Kleen Kanteen through security without any problems .
Once you 're through security , find a water fountain and fill up ! Just remember to vent the bottle once on the plane .
The pressure changes can leave you with a leaking bottle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All the people who complain about having to buy water make me laugh.The prohibition is on the liquid, not the container.
If you want to have a bottle of water on the plane then carry an empty bottle through security.
I've carried reused plastic bottles, Nalgene hiking-type bottles, and even a metal Kleen Kanteen through security without any problems.
Once you're through security, find a water fountain and fill up!Just remember to vent the bottle once on the plane.
The pressure changes can leave you with a leaking bottle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28440059</id>
	<title>Re:Color me unsurprised</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245776580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It begs the question</p></div><p>You keep using it, but that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging\_the\_question" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">doesn't mean</a> [wikipedia.org] what you think it means.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It begs the questionYou keep using it , but that does n't mean [ wikipedia.org ] what you think it means .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It begs the questionYou keep using it, but that doesn't mean [wikipedia.org] what you think it means.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28443369</id>
	<title>FLO still going...</title>
	<author>TheSync</author>
	<datestamp>1245788160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It looks like <a href="http://www.flocard.com/" title="flocard.com">FLO Card</a> [flocard.com] is still going.  I wonder whether their operation at certain airports depended on the Clear system being functional though.   There are a few other small providers of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Registered\_Traveler" title="wikipedia.org">Registered Traveler Program</a> [wikipedia.org] besides FLO and Clear.  Supposedy the Registered Traveler system is interoperable at <a href="http://www.rtconsortium.org/searchRoster.cfm?orgType=a" title="rtconsortium.org">these airports</a> [rtconsortium.org].</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It looks like FLO Card [ flocard.com ] is still going .
I wonder whether their operation at certain airports depended on the Clear system being functional though .
There are a few other small providers of the Registered Traveler Program [ wikipedia.org ] besides FLO and Clear .
Supposedy the Registered Traveler system is interoperable at these airports [ rtconsortium.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It looks like FLO Card [flocard.com] is still going.
I wonder whether their operation at certain airports depended on the Clear system being functional though.
There are a few other small providers of the Registered Traveler Program [wikipedia.org] besides FLO and Clear.
Supposedy the Registered Traveler system is interoperable at these airports [rtconsortium.org].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438419</id>
	<title>The USSR of A</title>
	<author>XB-70</author>
	<datestamp>1245770040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is a classic case where a corporate entity is trying to facilitate exemptions to rules by collecting, providing and verifying information for the state. Control is being sold by the state in the form of workarounds to various rules and regulations. Now, with a corporate failure, for which no planning was done, liability for this information is vague at best and very troubling indeed.
<p>That said, I am in no way in favour of the state having biometric information on its citizens - much to the contrary. Abuses of information are becoming more and more prevalent.

</p><p>When billions are spent to 'secure' borders but nothing is done about people coming into the country carrying fatal diseases which kill far more than terrorists, where are the priorities?

</p><p>The security of biometric information should be something that is completely in control of the citizen who then releases the information at his or her discretion predicated on the legal situation that they are confronted with.  i.e., I use a crypto key to release verification information to a border guard. I determine what information to release and I record the information given to me by the security personnel so that I, too, have a record of whom I was dealing with, where and when.

</p><p>A friend of mine who is a lawyer was asked at the border to produce the password to her laptop. She refused on the grounds that she had client-solicitor privileged information that the border guard was not legally allowed to see. The response was that she would not be allowed to enter the country unless the password was produced. Further to that, the laptop could be confiscated. This is a very serious and egregious erosion of our most basic rights and freedoms.

</p><p>This past month, I was driving along in upstate NY parallel to the border on the St Lawrence River. In the opposite direction, a slew of border patrol guards were amassed. They had a roadblock set up and were verifying information of people driving westbound along the road. This was in upstate NY! This is what they communists did in the U.S.S.R.!!! Wake up, folks!! This is getting very, very serious.

</p><p>We have to get away from all this knee-jerk reaction and fight hard to return true freedoms to the individual. Write your law maker. Write the press. Start political action. Motivate your friends and neighbours. You are losing freedom at a prodigious rate. Our grandfathers fought for this against Hitler. Make sure that their fight was not in vain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a classic case where a corporate entity is trying to facilitate exemptions to rules by collecting , providing and verifying information for the state .
Control is being sold by the state in the form of workarounds to various rules and regulations .
Now , with a corporate failure , for which no planning was done , liability for this information is vague at best and very troubling indeed .
That said , I am in no way in favour of the state having biometric information on its citizens - much to the contrary .
Abuses of information are becoming more and more prevalent .
When billions are spent to 'secure ' borders but nothing is done about people coming into the country carrying fatal diseases which kill far more than terrorists , where are the priorities ?
The security of biometric information should be something that is completely in control of the citizen who then releases the information at his or her discretion predicated on the legal situation that they are confronted with .
i.e. , I use a crypto key to release verification information to a border guard .
I determine what information to release and I record the information given to me by the security personnel so that I , too , have a record of whom I was dealing with , where and when .
A friend of mine who is a lawyer was asked at the border to produce the password to her laptop .
She refused on the grounds that she had client-solicitor privileged information that the border guard was not legally allowed to see .
The response was that she would not be allowed to enter the country unless the password was produced .
Further to that , the laptop could be confiscated .
This is a very serious and egregious erosion of our most basic rights and freedoms .
This past month , I was driving along in upstate NY parallel to the border on the St Lawrence River .
In the opposite direction , a slew of border patrol guards were amassed .
They had a roadblock set up and were verifying information of people driving westbound along the road .
This was in upstate NY !
This is what they communists did in the U.S.S.R. ! ! !
Wake up , folks ! !
This is getting very , very serious .
We have to get away from all this knee-jerk reaction and fight hard to return true freedoms to the individual .
Write your law maker .
Write the press .
Start political action .
Motivate your friends and neighbours .
You are losing freedom at a prodigious rate .
Our grandfathers fought for this against Hitler .
Make sure that their fight was not in vain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a classic case where a corporate entity is trying to facilitate exemptions to rules by collecting, providing and verifying information for the state.
Control is being sold by the state in the form of workarounds to various rules and regulations.
Now, with a corporate failure, for which no planning was done, liability for this information is vague at best and very troubling indeed.
That said, I am in no way in favour of the state having biometric information on its citizens - much to the contrary.
Abuses of information are becoming more and more prevalent.
When billions are spent to 'secure' borders but nothing is done about people coming into the country carrying fatal diseases which kill far more than terrorists, where are the priorities?
The security of biometric information should be something that is completely in control of the citizen who then releases the information at his or her discretion predicated on the legal situation that they are confronted with.
i.e., I use a crypto key to release verification information to a border guard.
I determine what information to release and I record the information given to me by the security personnel so that I, too, have a record of whom I was dealing with, where and when.
A friend of mine who is a lawyer was asked at the border to produce the password to her laptop.
She refused on the grounds that she had client-solicitor privileged information that the border guard was not legally allowed to see.
The response was that she would not be allowed to enter the country unless the password was produced.
Further to that, the laptop could be confiscated.
This is a very serious and egregious erosion of our most basic rights and freedoms.
This past month, I was driving along in upstate NY parallel to the border on the St Lawrence River.
In the opposite direction, a slew of border patrol guards were amassed.
They had a roadblock set up and were verifying information of people driving westbound along the road.
This was in upstate NY!
This is what they communists did in the U.S.S.R.!!!
Wake up, folks!!
This is getting very, very serious.
We have to get away from all this knee-jerk reaction and fight hard to return true freedoms to the individual.
Write your law maker.
Write the press.
Start political action.
Motivate your friends and neighbours.
You are losing freedom at a prodigious rate.
Our grandfathers fought for this against Hitler.
Make sure that their fight was not in vain.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438969</id>
	<title>Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245772440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's a good thing. Force the powerful to put up with all the annoyances of our security theater that the common man has to deal with, hopefully they'll get fed up with it and make the goverment implement something more sensible.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a good thing .
Force the powerful to put up with all the annoyances of our security theater that the common man has to deal with , hopefully they 'll get fed up with it and make the goverment implement something more sensible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a good thing.
Force the powerful to put up with all the annoyances of our security theater that the common man has to deal with, hopefully they'll get fed up with it and make the goverment implement something more sensible.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437983</id>
	<title>Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando...</title>
	<author>NormalVisual</author>
	<datestamp>1245767700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>Meh, you think it's bad at the airport?  Just remember, a lot of those clueless families have been subjecting the locals to their driving habits, and the locals suck on the highways to begin with.  Couple that with a local traffic management department that appears to be staffed by either chimpanzees or very small children, and that leads me to a sneaking suspicion that there aren't really that many accidents in the Orlando area - lots of people drive into concrete embankments on I-4 because they *want* to.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Meh , you think it 's bad at the airport ?
Just remember , a lot of those clueless families have been subjecting the locals to their driving habits , and the locals suck on the highways to begin with .
Couple that with a local traffic management department that appears to be staffed by either chimpanzees or very small children , and that leads me to a sneaking suspicion that there are n't really that many accidents in the Orlando area - lots of people drive into concrete embankments on I-4 because they * want * to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meh, you think it's bad at the airport?
Just remember, a lot of those clueless families have been subjecting the locals to their driving habits, and the locals suck on the highways to begin with.
Couple that with a local traffic management department that appears to be staffed by either chimpanzees or very small children, and that leads me to a sneaking suspicion that there aren't really that many accidents in the Orlando area - lots of people drive into concrete embankments on I-4 because they *want* to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438653</id>
	<title>Re:Private companies selling public space</title>
	<author>rwade</author>
	<datestamp>1245771120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Priority lines at the airport bug me. First class passengers are not paying me or the airport, the airline is collecting the cash. So why should they get special treatment and make the wait worse for the rest of us? Maybe I should set up a toll booth on my street. Or go to the DMV and set up velvet ropes to one station, and sell the "right" to that quicker line for $50/head.</p></div><p>From this <a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi\_qn4176/is\_20080117/ai\_n21209134/" title="findarticles.com">article</a> [findarticles.com] on Oakland's introduction of CLEAR:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>"[The] airport began receiving a lot of requests for it, especially from large companies whose employees did a lot of traveling, she said. 'We are responding to customer input, customers saying, 'please, please bring this.'"</p></div><p>In essence, this represents a gift to the business community that the airport authority (themselves generally part of the "business leadership" community at some point in the past or future) cherishes. The theory goes that if you make things easier on businesses, the benefits show up for everyone!</p><p>Obviously different folks will have different opinions about this, but this is the theory. The LA Times article linked in the article has a comment's section that has a pretty hefty pro-CLEAR tone, so you can read that view espoused 50 times if you want.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Priority lines at the airport bug me .
First class passengers are not paying me or the airport , the airline is collecting the cash .
So why should they get special treatment and make the wait worse for the rest of us ?
Maybe I should set up a toll booth on my street .
Or go to the DMV and set up velvet ropes to one station , and sell the " right " to that quicker line for $ 50/head.From this article [ findarticles.com ] on Oakland 's introduction of CLEAR : " [ The ] airport began receiving a lot of requests for it , especially from large companies whose employees did a lot of traveling , she said .
'We are responding to customer input , customers saying , 'please , please bring this .
' " In essence , this represents a gift to the business community that the airport authority ( themselves generally part of the " business leadership " community at some point in the past or future ) cherishes .
The theory goes that if you make things easier on businesses , the benefits show up for everyone ! Obviously different folks will have different opinions about this , but this is the theory .
The LA Times article linked in the article has a comment 's section that has a pretty hefty pro-CLEAR tone , so you can read that view espoused 50 times if you want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Priority lines at the airport bug me.
First class passengers are not paying me or the airport, the airline is collecting the cash.
So why should they get special treatment and make the wait worse for the rest of us?
Maybe I should set up a toll booth on my street.
Or go to the DMV and set up velvet ropes to one station, and sell the "right" to that quicker line for $50/head.From this article [findarticles.com] on Oakland's introduction of CLEAR:"[The] airport began receiving a lot of requests for it, especially from large companies whose employees did a lot of traveling, she said.
'We are responding to customer input, customers saying, 'please, please bring this.
'"In essence, this represents a gift to the business community that the airport authority (themselves generally part of the "business leadership" community at some point in the past or future) cherishes.
The theory goes that if you make things easier on businesses, the benefits show up for everyone!Obviously different folks will have different opinions about this, but this is the theory.
The LA Times article linked in the article has a comment's section that has a pretty hefty pro-CLEAR tone, so you can read that view espoused 50 times if you want.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28441595</id>
	<title>refunds?</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1245782160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do the customers get their money back?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do the customers get their money back ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do the customers get their money back?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28439667</id>
	<title>Re:Good riddance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245774900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with security screening is NOT the TSA - it is the inexperienced traveller.  They do not read the numerous signs leading up to the security checkpoint.  They leave their laptop in their bag as it goes through the screener, the seem generally surprised that the bottle of water in their hands can't be taken through.  I travel alot and I can have myself "screener ready" in less than a minute:   All wallets, watches, keys, change in my bag not in my pockets.  Shoes off - laptop out - bag on conveyer belt.  DONE!.  To stand behind somehow who has no idea what they are doing is maddening.  We frequent travellers have tried to fix the system - by giving ourselves "express lanes" it frees up the other lanes for those who need a bit more assistance.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with security screening is NOT the TSA - it is the inexperienced traveller .
They do not read the numerous signs leading up to the security checkpoint .
They leave their laptop in their bag as it goes through the screener , the seem generally surprised that the bottle of water in their hands ca n't be taken through .
I travel alot and I can have myself " screener ready " in less than a minute : All wallets , watches , keys , change in my bag not in my pockets .
Shoes off - laptop out - bag on conveyer belt .
DONE ! . To stand behind somehow who has no idea what they are doing is maddening .
We frequent travellers have tried to fix the system - by giving ourselves " express lanes " it frees up the other lanes for those who need a bit more assistance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with security screening is NOT the TSA - it is the inexperienced traveller.
They do not read the numerous signs leading up to the security checkpoint.
They leave their laptop in their bag as it goes through the screener, the seem generally surprised that the bottle of water in their hands can't be taken through.
I travel alot and I can have myself "screener ready" in less than a minute:   All wallets, watches, keys, change in my bag not in my pockets.
Shoes off - laptop out - bag on conveyer belt.
DONE!.  To stand behind somehow who has no idea what they are doing is maddening.
We frequent travellers have tried to fix the system - by giving ourselves "express lanes" it frees up the other lanes for those who need a bit more assistance.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438067</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28439269</id>
	<title>Re:Security Theater</title>
	<author>pzs</author>
	<datestamp>1245773520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dude, there are no water fountains at UK airports. Yes, I know that sucks. Why do you think I'm bitching about it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude , there are no water fountains at UK airports .
Yes , I know that sucks .
Why do you think I 'm bitching about it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude, there are no water fountains at UK airports.
Yes, I know that sucks.
Why do you think I'm bitching about it?</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438177</id>
	<title>Purpose was never, well, clear</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245768660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem with Clear's model is that there was never any evidence to speak of that the TSA cared about traveler's identities, at least not enough to allow them to bypass any meaningful amount of screening that they would otherwise perform.  All the "Clear" screening bypassed, as far as I was ever able to determine, was the no-fly list check.  As such the only advantage (unless you had a name that tended to cause false positives on the no-fly list) was that you got to cut the queue.  Then you put up with the same removal of shoes, millimeter wave scan, and other indignities and fourth amendment violations as everyone else.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with Clear 's model is that there was never any evidence to speak of that the TSA cared about traveler 's identities , at least not enough to allow them to bypass any meaningful amount of screening that they would otherwise perform .
All the " Clear " screening bypassed , as far as I was ever able to determine , was the no-fly list check .
As such the only advantage ( unless you had a name that tended to cause false positives on the no-fly list ) was that you got to cut the queue .
Then you put up with the same removal of shoes , millimeter wave scan , and other indignities and fourth amendment violations as everyone else .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem with Clear's model is that there was never any evidence to speak of that the TSA cared about traveler's identities, at least not enough to allow them to bypass any meaningful amount of screening that they would otherwise perform.
All the "Clear" screening bypassed, as far as I was ever able to determine, was the no-fly list check.
As such the only advantage (unless you had a name that tended to cause false positives on the no-fly list) was that you got to cut the queue.
Then you put up with the same removal of shoes, millimeter wave scan, and other indignities and fourth amendment violations as everyone else.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28460601</id>
	<title>Re:Private companies selling public space</title>
	<author>metlin</author>
	<datestamp>1245846540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's why:</p><p>1. We earned it (can you see my sense of entitlement here?).<br>2. We fly more, and pay more. So, we pay the airline (and consequently the airport) more.<br>3. Business travelers and frequently fliers account for the vast majority of airline (and consequently airport) revenue - we keep them in business.<br>4. If you think it's bad for the casual traveler, it's much worse for those of us who endure this several times a week - imagine the delays, TSA encounters and putting up with idiots like you.<br>5. Everyone likes special treatment - the only reason you're complaining is because you're being left out.</p><p>I also particularly enjoy my frequent flier status when at the last minute, I usurp some poor bloke at the counter who's waiting for standby for a while.</p><p>Airline travel sucks. It sucks more for those of us who do it often. So, there's no reason we shouldn't enjoy the few perks that come with flying often.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's why : 1 .
We earned it ( can you see my sense of entitlement here ? ) .2 .
We fly more , and pay more .
So , we pay the airline ( and consequently the airport ) more.3 .
Business travelers and frequently fliers account for the vast majority of airline ( and consequently airport ) revenue - we keep them in business.4 .
If you think it 's bad for the casual traveler , it 's much worse for those of us who endure this several times a week - imagine the delays , TSA encounters and putting up with idiots like you.5 .
Everyone likes special treatment - the only reason you 're complaining is because you 're being left out.I also particularly enjoy my frequent flier status when at the last minute , I usurp some poor bloke at the counter who 's waiting for standby for a while.Airline travel sucks .
It sucks more for those of us who do it often .
So , there 's no reason we should n't enjoy the few perks that come with flying often .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's why:1.
We earned it (can you see my sense of entitlement here?).2.
We fly more, and pay more.
So, we pay the airline (and consequently the airport) more.3.
Business travelers and frequently fliers account for the vast majority of airline (and consequently airport) revenue - we keep them in business.4.
If you think it's bad for the casual traveler, it's much worse for those of us who endure this several times a week - imagine the delays, TSA encounters and putting up with idiots like you.5.
Everyone likes special treatment - the only reason you're complaining is because you're being left out.I also particularly enjoy my frequent flier status when at the last minute, I usurp some poor bloke at the counter who's waiting for standby for a while.Airline travel sucks.
It sucks more for those of us who do it often.
So, there's no reason we shouldn't enjoy the few perks that come with flying often.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28439733</id>
	<title>Makes sense to me</title>
	<author>shock1970</author>
	<datestamp>1245775080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you fly frequently and participate in your preferred airlines frequent flier program, once you earn a certain number of mileage credits, you usually get a preferred status which allows you to go through (often-times) shorter lines with first-class and other preferred members.  No need to shell out an extra $200.  Also now that the majority of the population is aware of what needs to be done when going through airport security, I've found that even the regular lines move along somewhat quickly.<br>
--<br>
<i>Sh!t happens.  Then you wipe yourself.</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you fly frequently and participate in your preferred airlines frequent flier program , once you earn a certain number of mileage credits , you usually get a preferred status which allows you to go through ( often-times ) shorter lines with first-class and other preferred members .
No need to shell out an extra $ 200 .
Also now that the majority of the population is aware of what needs to be done when going through airport security , I 've found that even the regular lines move along somewhat quickly .
-- Sh ! t happens .
Then you wipe yourself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you fly frequently and participate in your preferred airlines frequent flier program, once you earn a certain number of mileage credits, you usually get a preferred status which allows you to go through (often-times) shorter lines with first-class and other preferred members.
No need to shell out an extra $200.
Also now that the majority of the population is aware of what needs to be done when going through airport security, I've found that even the regular lines move along somewhat quickly.
--
Sh!t happens.
Then you wipe yourself.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438117</id>
	<title>Clear SUCKED</title>
	<author>Jahf</author>
	<datestamp>1245768420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am so glad I decided not to enroll. I am a very regular traveler through the Denver airport and Clear had a very visible presence at the security gates. I was tempted at first but decided against it for 2 reasons:</p><p>1) Privacy: When I emailed Clear they stated that they did not share data with the government but they couldn't guarantee they -wouldn't- share data in the future. Clear takes -both- fingerprints and retinal prints. I asked if I could just give the retinal and they said no. While I haven't done anything that would have gotten me in hot water if the government got my finger prints<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... well<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I reserve the right to keep them to myself, thank you very much.</p><p>2) Speed: Clear was supposed to be a "breeze through security" service. And yet all the stuff they do in the line (scan you for identity, put you through a "puff &amp; sniff" detector) seemed to make people go through Clear -slower- than the normal lines over half of the time. The only time Clear was faster when I watched was during very high holiday traffic times<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and then only when there weren't many people in the Clear line.</p><p>Thanks but no thanks. Instead of getting us to pay to make a few people go through faster why not improve the TSA processes in the "real" security lines so that we don't have to suffer through things like:</p><p>* Idiots who STILL don't know how to remove their jewelry/shoes/laptops (easily accomplished by a -free- registration card that you can apply for after having passed through security at least once and using that completely wasted "1st class" security line for us business travelers)</p><p>* TSA jerks who literally go on break while being the baggage scanner. 25\% of the time or -more- I am in a line where the scanner just stops. NO they aren't being diligent by double-checking a bag they are just sitting there. The last time a supervisor came over and started chatting up the bag scanner<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... positioning themself between the growing line of travelers and the scanner so they couldn't see us<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... even looking back, seeing the line growing, and continuing to chat the with the bag scanner attendant. Based on the amount of laughter and hand motions it was all just fun<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... for them. Meanwhile there were other people standing nearby who could have helped.</p><p>And Clear wouldn't have helped in that situation. Why? Because it was late in the evening on a Sunday and Clear had closed up.</p><p>Clear was an attempt to make money off the fact that the TSA has no damned concept of speed nor efficiency. That's the wrong way to do it.</p><p>Good riddance!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am so glad I decided not to enroll .
I am a very regular traveler through the Denver airport and Clear had a very visible presence at the security gates .
I was tempted at first but decided against it for 2 reasons : 1 ) Privacy : When I emailed Clear they stated that they did not share data with the government but they could n't guarantee they -would n't- share data in the future .
Clear takes -both- fingerprints and retinal prints .
I asked if I could just give the retinal and they said no .
While I have n't done anything that would have gotten me in hot water if the government got my finger prints ... well ... I reserve the right to keep them to myself , thank you very much.2 ) Speed : Clear was supposed to be a " breeze through security " service .
And yet all the stuff they do in the line ( scan you for identity , put you through a " puff &amp; sniff " detector ) seemed to make people go through Clear -slower- than the normal lines over half of the time .
The only time Clear was faster when I watched was during very high holiday traffic times ... and then only when there were n't many people in the Clear line.Thanks but no thanks .
Instead of getting us to pay to make a few people go through faster why not improve the TSA processes in the " real " security lines so that we do n't have to suffer through things like : * Idiots who STILL do n't know how to remove their jewelry/shoes/laptops ( easily accomplished by a -free- registration card that you can apply for after having passed through security at least once and using that completely wasted " 1st class " security line for us business travelers ) * TSA jerks who literally go on break while being the baggage scanner .
25 \ % of the time or -more- I am in a line where the scanner just stops .
NO they are n't being diligent by double-checking a bag they are just sitting there .
The last time a supervisor came over and started chatting up the bag scanner ... positioning themself between the growing line of travelers and the scanner so they could n't see us ... even looking back , seeing the line growing , and continuing to chat the with the bag scanner attendant .
Based on the amount of laughter and hand motions it was all just fun ... for them .
Meanwhile there were other people standing nearby who could have helped.And Clear would n't have helped in that situation .
Why ? Because it was late in the evening on a Sunday and Clear had closed up.Clear was an attempt to make money off the fact that the TSA has no damned concept of speed nor efficiency .
That 's the wrong way to do it.Good riddance !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am so glad I decided not to enroll.
I am a very regular traveler through the Denver airport and Clear had a very visible presence at the security gates.
I was tempted at first but decided against it for 2 reasons:1) Privacy: When I emailed Clear they stated that they did not share data with the government but they couldn't guarantee they -wouldn't- share data in the future.
Clear takes -both- fingerprints and retinal prints.
I asked if I could just give the retinal and they said no.
While I haven't done anything that would have gotten me in hot water if the government got my finger prints ... well ... I reserve the right to keep them to myself, thank you very much.2) Speed: Clear was supposed to be a "breeze through security" service.
And yet all the stuff they do in the line (scan you for identity, put you through a "puff &amp; sniff" detector) seemed to make people go through Clear -slower- than the normal lines over half of the time.
The only time Clear was faster when I watched was during very high holiday traffic times ... and then only when there weren't many people in the Clear line.Thanks but no thanks.
Instead of getting us to pay to make a few people go through faster why not improve the TSA processes in the "real" security lines so that we don't have to suffer through things like:* Idiots who STILL don't know how to remove their jewelry/shoes/laptops (easily accomplished by a -free- registration card that you can apply for after having passed through security at least once and using that completely wasted "1st class" security line for us business travelers)* TSA jerks who literally go on break while being the baggage scanner.
25\% of the time or -more- I am in a line where the scanner just stops.
NO they aren't being diligent by double-checking a bag they are just sitting there.
The last time a supervisor came over and started chatting up the bag scanner ... positioning themself between the growing line of travelers and the scanner so they couldn't see us ... even looking back, seeing the line growing, and continuing to chat the with the bag scanner attendant.
Based on the amount of laughter and hand motions it was all just fun ... for them.
Meanwhile there were other people standing nearby who could have helped.And Clear wouldn't have helped in that situation.
Why? Because it was late in the evening on a Sunday and Clear had closed up.Clear was an attempt to make money off the fact that the TSA has no damned concept of speed nor efficiency.
That's the wrong way to do it.Good riddance!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28439123</id>
	<title>New TSA rules are likely what killed CLEAR...</title>
	<author>ECCN</author>
	<datestamp>1245772920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are two significant changes rolled out by TSA that are likely the cause of CLEAR to finally give up.  (They have been struggling financially since inception, and had a very narrow adoption rate)...

Here in Tampa, FL the TSA rolled out a new method of security line queues for travelers that segments travelers into three different classifications:
*  The first being an "Expert Traveler", highly familiar with TSA procedures and traveling light - they use a lane marked with a black diamond, ideally moving through security much quicker than the 'masses';
*  The second being a "Casual Traveler", familiar with TSA procedures and has multiple carry-ons - they use a lane marked with a blue square;
* The third  category is "Family/Medical Liquids", travelers with small children, strollers, wheelchairs, medical liquids in excess of 3oz, large groups, anyone needing assitance and new flyers - they use a lane marked with green circle.

Having flown out of Tampa several times sinces these have been implemented, I can say first hand they work pretty well as intended.  The new "Black Diamond" lane is every bit as quick and effective as a CLEARPass lane.  I have inquired and been informed that TSA is in the process of rolling this new security line queing process to most airports in the US.


The second major change implemented by TSA that was likely the death knell for CLEAR is the new identification rule that went into effect on June 15th, and will beginincreased phase-in over the next 6 months.  TSA now requires all tickets to be reserved/purchased in the EXACT full name that is on your government issued ID.  For example, if your full legal name on your DL/Passport is Jonathan Quincy Public, but you are known by and go by Jon Public &amp; in the past you bought your ticket for 'Jon Public', that is no longer acceptable, your ticket will now need to be issued to 'Jonathan Quincy Public'.  In addition to your full legal name, when reserving/purchasing tickets you are also required to provide your date of birth and gender, two things that have never before been required.

The change regarding names, gender &amp; age  are being 'rolled out' over the next 6 months.  Meaning they are not required ATM, but requested &amp; after the 6 month window they will be REQUIRED to purchase a ticket and travel through a TSA checkpoint.

That last change is due to TSA taking over the process of name screening against the NO-FLY LIST during the ticket purchase/reservation stage.  They are no longer allowing the airlines to be in charge of that process.

 That was the only real advantage CLEAR offered....   prescreened against the NO-FLY List.  They had very limited effective benefits for the mass market because they were not able to get their screening locations across a wide enough array of airports and still required the same basic TSA level creening.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are two significant changes rolled out by TSA that are likely the cause of CLEAR to finally give up .
( They have been struggling financially since inception , and had a very narrow adoption rate ) .. . Here in Tampa , FL the TSA rolled out a new method of security line queues for travelers that segments travelers into three different classifications : * The first being an " Expert Traveler " , highly familiar with TSA procedures and traveling light - they use a lane marked with a black diamond , ideally moving through security much quicker than the 'masses ' ; * The second being a " Casual Traveler " , familiar with TSA procedures and has multiple carry-ons - they use a lane marked with a blue square ; * The third category is " Family/Medical Liquids " , travelers with small children , strollers , wheelchairs , medical liquids in excess of 3oz , large groups , anyone needing assitance and new flyers - they use a lane marked with green circle .
Having flown out of Tampa several times sinces these have been implemented , I can say first hand they work pretty well as intended .
The new " Black Diamond " lane is every bit as quick and effective as a CLEARPass lane .
I have inquired and been informed that TSA is in the process of rolling this new security line queing process to most airports in the US .
The second major change implemented by TSA that was likely the death knell for CLEAR is the new identification rule that went into effect on June 15th , and will beginincreased phase-in over the next 6 months .
TSA now requires all tickets to be reserved/purchased in the EXACT full name that is on your government issued ID .
For example , if your full legal name on your DL/Passport is Jonathan Quincy Public , but you are known by and go by Jon Public &amp; in the past you bought your ticket for 'Jon Public ' , that is no longer acceptable , your ticket will now need to be issued to 'Jonathan Quincy Public' .
In addition to your full legal name , when reserving/purchasing tickets you are also required to provide your date of birth and gender , two things that have never before been required .
The change regarding names , gender &amp; age are being 'rolled out ' over the next 6 months .
Meaning they are not required ATM , but requested &amp; after the 6 month window they will be REQUIRED to purchase a ticket and travel through a TSA checkpoint .
That last change is due to TSA taking over the process of name screening against the NO-FLY LIST during the ticket purchase/reservation stage .
They are no longer allowing the airlines to be in charge of that process .
That was the only real advantage CLEAR offered.... prescreened against the NO-FLY List .
They had very limited effective benefits for the mass market because they were not able to get their screening locations across a wide enough array of airports and still required the same basic TSA level creening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are two significant changes rolled out by TSA that are likely the cause of CLEAR to finally give up.
(They have been struggling financially since inception, and had a very narrow adoption rate)...

Here in Tampa, FL the TSA rolled out a new method of security line queues for travelers that segments travelers into three different classifications:
*  The first being an "Expert Traveler", highly familiar with TSA procedures and traveling light - they use a lane marked with a black diamond, ideally moving through security much quicker than the 'masses';
*  The second being a "Casual Traveler", familiar with TSA procedures and has multiple carry-ons - they use a lane marked with a blue square;
* The third  category is "Family/Medical Liquids", travelers with small children, strollers, wheelchairs, medical liquids in excess of 3oz, large groups, anyone needing assitance and new flyers - they use a lane marked with green circle.
Having flown out of Tampa several times sinces these have been implemented, I can say first hand they work pretty well as intended.
The new "Black Diamond" lane is every bit as quick and effective as a CLEARPass lane.
I have inquired and been informed that TSA is in the process of rolling this new security line queing process to most airports in the US.
The second major change implemented by TSA that was likely the death knell for CLEAR is the new identification rule that went into effect on June 15th, and will beginincreased phase-in over the next 6 months.
TSA now requires all tickets to be reserved/purchased in the EXACT full name that is on your government issued ID.
For example, if your full legal name on your DL/Passport is Jonathan Quincy Public, but you are known by and go by Jon Public &amp; in the past you bought your ticket for 'Jon Public', that is no longer acceptable, your ticket will now need to be issued to 'Jonathan Quincy Public'.
In addition to your full legal name, when reserving/purchasing tickets you are also required to provide your date of birth and gender, two things that have never before been required.
The change regarding names, gender &amp; age  are being 'rolled out' over the next 6 months.
Meaning they are not required ATM, but requested &amp; after the 6 month window they will be REQUIRED to purchase a ticket and travel through a TSA checkpoint.
That last change is due to TSA taking over the process of name screening against the NO-FLY LIST during the ticket purchase/reservation stage.
They are no longer allowing the airlines to be in charge of that process.
That was the only real advantage CLEAR offered....   prescreened against the NO-FLY List.
They had very limited effective benefits for the mass market because they were not able to get their screening locations across a wide enough array of airports and still required the same basic TSA level creening.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438367</id>
	<title>Re:Color me unsurprised</title>
	<author>massysett</author>
	<datestamp>1245769800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I looked at the Clear Pass program. It's a waste of money as far as I can tell. Basically, as I understand it, you get to pay $200/yr for....wait for it.....a special line where you can go through the exact same security procedures as the other non clear pass lines.</p></div><p>Especially when most of the people who would be interested in Clear and who would pony up $200 for it are already flying first class, business class, or have some sort of "elite" frequent flyer status...meaning that they can already go to the special lane that jumps them to the front of the security line. When I first heard of Clear, I thought it would qualify you for a reduced amount of screening (maybe keep your shoes on?) When I heard that you get the same screening as everybody else, I knew there was no way it would last long because it's completely pointless.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I looked at the Clear Pass program .
It 's a waste of money as far as I can tell .
Basically , as I understand it , you get to pay $ 200/yr for....wait for it.....a special line where you can go through the exact same security procedures as the other non clear pass lines.Especially when most of the people who would be interested in Clear and who would pony up $ 200 for it are already flying first class , business class , or have some sort of " elite " frequent flyer status...meaning that they can already go to the special lane that jumps them to the front of the security line .
When I first heard of Clear , I thought it would qualify you for a reduced amount of screening ( maybe keep your shoes on ?
) When I heard that you get the same screening as everybody else , I knew there was no way it would last long because it 's completely pointless .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I looked at the Clear Pass program.
It's a waste of money as far as I can tell.
Basically, as I understand it, you get to pay $200/yr for....wait for it.....a special line where you can go through the exact same security procedures as the other non clear pass lines.Especially when most of the people who would be interested in Clear and who would pony up $200 for it are already flying first class, business class, or have some sort of "elite" frequent flyer status...meaning that they can already go to the special lane that jumps them to the front of the security line.
When I first heard of Clear, I thought it would qualify you for a reduced amount of screening (maybe keep your shoes on?
) When I heard that you get the same screening as everybody else, I knew there was no way it would last long because it's completely pointless.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28439281</id>
	<title>Just Bribe them.</title>
	<author>AndyTheCoderMan</author>
	<datestamp>1245773580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>No more than I fly, I find it much cheaper to just to slip one of the "courtesy" TSA agents $20 and tell them I'm in a hurry and they will speed you right though.</htmltext>
<tokenext>No more than I fly , I find it much cheaper to just to slip one of the " courtesy " TSA agents $ 20 and tell them I 'm in a hurry and they will speed you right though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No more than I fly, I find it much cheaper to just to slip one of the "courtesy" TSA agents $20 and tell them I'm in a hurry and they will speed you right though.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28439447</id>
	<title>Re:Color me unsurprised</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245774240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you travel "enough" from Orlando and/or Atlanta - its value in time was more than worth the cost.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you travel " enough " from Orlando and/or Atlanta - its value in time was more than worth the cost .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you travel "enough" from Orlando and/or Atlanta - its value in time was more than worth the cost.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437911</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438143</id>
	<title>Re:Color me unsurprised</title>
	<author>Jahf</author>
	<datestamp>1245768540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It actually wasn't the exact same procedures, at least not in Denver. It was about twice the amount of time to "clear" the Clear line because of extra measures. Clear users in Denver were put through the "you look suspicious, let's sniff you" line. Yeah, they got to cut to the head of that line (which made it REAL fun to go through as a normal Joe) but it still slowed them down significantly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It actually was n't the exact same procedures , at least not in Denver .
It was about twice the amount of time to " clear " the Clear line because of extra measures .
Clear users in Denver were put through the " you look suspicious , let 's sniff you " line .
Yeah , they got to cut to the head of that line ( which made it REAL fun to go through as a normal Joe ) but it still slowed them down significantly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It actually wasn't the exact same procedures, at least not in Denver.
It was about twice the amount of time to "clear" the Clear line because of extra measures.
Clear users in Denver were put through the "you look suspicious, let's sniff you" line.
Yeah, they got to cut to the head of that line (which made it REAL fun to go through as a normal Joe) but it still slowed them down significantly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437911</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28441319</id>
	<title>Re:Private companies selling public space</title>
	<author>mattwarden</author>
	<datestamp>1245781200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Priority lines at the airport bug me. First class passengers are not<br>&gt; paying me or the airport, the airline is collecting the cash.</p><p>Um, what? Your deep discount coach fare is absolutely subsidized by these travelers.</p><p>&gt; So why should they get special treatment and make the wait worse for<br>&gt; the rest of us?</p><p>It's very simple. These travelers pay more to the airline. The airline cannot operate without them. The airline pays the airport to fund a separate priority line. The fact that a business traveler is sure he or she can get through security in 5 minutes or less brings more such business to the airline.</p><p>&gt; Maybe I should set up a toll booth on my street. Or go to the DMV and<br>&gt; set up velvet ropes to one station, and sell the "right" to that<br>&gt; quicker line for $50/head.</p><p>You seem to not understand who pays for these priority lines. It's the airlines, and (indirectly) the very people who use them. They also pay for a part of your line and your coach seat.</p><p>Feel better now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Priority lines at the airport bug me .
First class passengers are not &gt; paying me or the airport , the airline is collecting the cash.Um , what ?
Your deep discount coach fare is absolutely subsidized by these travelers. &gt; So why should they get special treatment and make the wait worse for &gt; the rest of us ? It 's very simple .
These travelers pay more to the airline .
The airline can not operate without them .
The airline pays the airport to fund a separate priority line .
The fact that a business traveler is sure he or she can get through security in 5 minutes or less brings more such business to the airline. &gt; Maybe I should set up a toll booth on my street .
Or go to the DMV and &gt; set up velvet ropes to one station , and sell the " right " to that &gt; quicker line for $ 50/head.You seem to not understand who pays for these priority lines .
It 's the airlines , and ( indirectly ) the very people who use them .
They also pay for a part of your line and your coach seat.Feel better now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Priority lines at the airport bug me.
First class passengers are not&gt; paying me or the airport, the airline is collecting the cash.Um, what?
Your deep discount coach fare is absolutely subsidized by these travelers.&gt; So why should they get special treatment and make the wait worse for&gt; the rest of us?It's very simple.
These travelers pay more to the airline.
The airline cannot operate without them.
The airline pays the airport to fund a separate priority line.
The fact that a business traveler is sure he or she can get through security in 5 minutes or less brings more such business to the airline.&gt; Maybe I should set up a toll booth on my street.
Or go to the DMV and&gt; set up velvet ropes to one station, and sell the "right" to that&gt; quicker line for $50/head.You seem to not understand who pays for these priority lines.
It's the airlines, and (indirectly) the very people who use them.
They also pay for a part of your line and your coach seat.Feel better now?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438123</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437783</id>
	<title>A lot of business travel is unnecessary</title>
	<author>VampireByte</author>
	<datestamp>1245766500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Another casualty of the recession's downturn in business travel</i> </p><p>When this economy turns around, I hope some sanity remains regarding what business travel is necessary vs. wasteful. So much of the time these business meetings could have been conducted by phone or over the internet.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Another casualty of the recession 's downturn in business travel When this economy turns around , I hope some sanity remains regarding what business travel is necessary vs. wasteful. So much of the time these business meetings could have been conducted by phone or over the internet .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Another casualty of the recession's downturn in business travel When this economy turns around, I hope some sanity remains regarding what business travel is necessary vs. wasteful. So much of the time these business meetings could have been conducted by phone or over the internet.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28439989</id>
	<title>Re:What happens?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245776340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm truly concerned about my information on the Clear database.  A four line EM telling me they're out of business is a joke.  Tell me what the hell you're doing with our information.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm truly concerned about my information on the Clear database .
A four line EM telling me they 're out of business is a joke .
Tell me what the hell you 're doing with our information .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm truly concerned about my information on the Clear database.
A four line EM telling me they're out of business is a joke.
Tell me what the hell you're doing with our information.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437859</id>
	<title>Re:Heathrow T5</title>
	<author>pjt33</author>
	<datestamp>1245766860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I fly through UK airports a lot - admittedly mainly Stansted rather than Heathrow - and I've never had staff be rude to me. They're not all friendly (although some are), but in my experience they are all professional.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I fly through UK airports a lot - admittedly mainly Stansted rather than Heathrow - and I 've never had staff be rude to me .
They 're not all friendly ( although some are ) , but in my experience they are all professional .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I fly through UK airports a lot - admittedly mainly Stansted rather than Heathrow - and I've never had staff be rude to me.
They're not all friendly (although some are), but in my experience they are all professional.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437637</id>
	<title>There goes my argument...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245765780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was always amazed that they could put together a program like that for anyone who wanted to pay $200 but couldn't come up with a way to clear flight crews through without doing the whole "scan all your crap in front of the uneducated TSA goons who will then ask you 20 stupid questions about your approach chart holder" thing...  (No kidding, one of them once asked me why I was carrying a "giant razor blade".)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was always amazed that they could put together a program like that for anyone who wanted to pay $ 200 but could n't come up with a way to clear flight crews through without doing the whole " scan all your crap in front of the uneducated TSA goons who will then ask you 20 stupid questions about your approach chart holder " thing... ( No kidding , one of them once asked me why I was carrying a " giant razor blade " .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was always amazed that they could put together a program like that for anyone who wanted to pay $200 but couldn't come up with a way to clear flight crews through without doing the whole "scan all your crap in front of the uneducated TSA goons who will then ask you 20 stupid questions about your approach chart holder" thing...  (No kidding, one of them once asked me why I was carrying a "giant razor blade".
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437727</id>
	<title>AYBAB2U</title>
	<author>the\_other\_one</author>
	<datestamp>1245766260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All Your Biometrics are Belong to Us!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All Your Biometrics are Belong to Us !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All Your Biometrics are Belong to Us!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28439551</id>
	<title>Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245774540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>One of the training companies used extensively by my employer is headquartered in Florida. All of their staff signed up for Clear and said it was either unavailable or pretty much worthless everywhere</p></div></blockquote><p>I only know of staff in downtown Clearwater that signed up for Clear and none of them say it's worthless, until they leave and get branded as lying defectors.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the training companies used extensively by my employer is headquartered in Florida .
All of their staff signed up for Clear and said it was either unavailable or pretty much worthless everywhereI only know of staff in downtown Clearwater that signed up for Clear and none of them say it 's worthless , until they leave and get branded as lying defectors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the training companies used extensively by my employer is headquartered in Florida.
All of their staff signed up for Clear and said it was either unavailable or pretty much worthless everywhereI only know of staff in downtown Clearwater that signed up for Clear and none of them say it's worthless, until they leave and get branded as lying defectors.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28439779</id>
	<title>A funny security theater story (OT)</title>
	<author>pongo000</author>
	<datestamp>1245775320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>[Bruce] Schneier took from his bag a 12-ounce container labeled "saline solution."</p><p>"It's allowed," he said. Medical supplies, such as saline solution for contact-lens cleaning, don't fall under the TSA's three-ounce rule.</p><p>"What's allowed?" I asked. "Saline solution, or bottles labeled saline solution?"</p><p>"Bottles labeled saline solution. They won't check what's in it, trust me."</p><p>They did not check. As we gathered our belongings, Schneier held up the bottle and said to the nearest security officer, "This is okay, right?" "Yep," the officer said. "Just have to put it in the tray."</p><p>"Maybe if you lit it on fire, he'd pay attention," I said, risking arrest for making a joke at airport security. (Later, Schneier would carry two bottles labeled saline solution--24 ounces in total--through security. An officer asked him why he needed two bottles. "Two eyes," he said. He was allowed to keep the bottles.)</p></div> </blockquote><p>Well, I thought it was funny.</p><p><a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200811/airport-security/2" title="theatlantic.com">http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200811/airport-security/2</a> [theatlantic.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ Bruce ] Schneier took from his bag a 12-ounce container labeled " saline solution .
" " It 's allowed , " he said .
Medical supplies , such as saline solution for contact-lens cleaning , do n't fall under the TSA 's three-ounce rule .
" What 's allowed ?
" I asked .
" Saline solution , or bottles labeled saline solution ?
" " Bottles labeled saline solution .
They wo n't check what 's in it , trust me .
" They did not check .
As we gathered our belongings , Schneier held up the bottle and said to the nearest security officer , " This is okay , right ?
" " Yep , " the officer said .
" Just have to put it in the tray .
" " Maybe if you lit it on fire , he 'd pay attention , " I said , risking arrest for making a joke at airport security .
( Later , Schneier would carry two bottles labeled saline solution--24 ounces in total--through security .
An officer asked him why he needed two bottles .
" Two eyes , " he said .
He was allowed to keep the bottles .
) Well , I thought it was funny.http : //www.theatlantic.com/doc/200811/airport-security/2 [ theatlantic.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[Bruce] Schneier took from his bag a 12-ounce container labeled "saline solution.
""It's allowed," he said.
Medical supplies, such as saline solution for contact-lens cleaning, don't fall under the TSA's three-ounce rule.
"What's allowed?
" I asked.
"Saline solution, or bottles labeled saline solution?
""Bottles labeled saline solution.
They won't check what's in it, trust me.
"They did not check.
As we gathered our belongings, Schneier held up the bottle and said to the nearest security officer, "This is okay, right?
" "Yep," the officer said.
"Just have to put it in the tray.
""Maybe if you lit it on fire, he'd pay attention," I said, risking arrest for making a joke at airport security.
(Later, Schneier would carry two bottles labeled saline solution--24 ounces in total--through security.
An officer asked him why he needed two bottles.
"Two eyes," he said.
He was allowed to keep the bottles.
) Well, I thought it was funny.http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200811/airport-security/2 [theatlantic.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438625</id>
	<title>Re:Security Theater</title>
	<author>Omniscient Lurker</author>
	<datestamp>1245770940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I tried that once, they took my bottle anyway.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I tried that once , they took my bottle anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I tried that once, they took my bottle anyway.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28439073</id>
	<title>Re:Color me unsurprised</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245772800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I found it a waste of time, after going through a month of screening and paperwork, they still asked for my passport, clear card, secondary ID and ticket EVERY time I flew, and THEN I had the privileged of being submitted to my biocheck (which btw, even though they had my iris scan, I was only ever "allowed" to use my fingerprint).  When the renewal came up I told them it was useless and wasn't interested, looks like one of the best decisions I made this year - I should start investing in the stock market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I found it a waste of time , after going through a month of screening and paperwork , they still asked for my passport , clear card , secondary ID and ticket EVERY time I flew , and THEN I had the privileged of being submitted to my biocheck ( which btw , even though they had my iris scan , I was only ever " allowed " to use my fingerprint ) .
When the renewal came up I told them it was useless and was n't interested , looks like one of the best decisions I made this year - I should start investing in the stock market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I found it a waste of time, after going through a month of screening and paperwork, they still asked for my passport, clear card, secondary ID and ticket EVERY time I flew, and THEN I had the privileged of being submitted to my biocheck (which btw, even though they had my iris scan, I was only ever "allowed" to use my fingerprint).
When the renewal came up I told them it was useless and wasn't interested, looks like one of the best decisions I made this year - I should start investing in the stock market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438139</id>
	<title>Something like the "Buy n Large" disclaimer?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245768540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"The question now becomes, what happens to all that information?"</p><p>It depends <a href="http://www.buynlarge.com/disclaimer/disclaimer.html" title="buynlarge.com" rel="nofollow">what the terms were</a> [buynlarge.com].  Here's hoping they read the fine print before signing up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" The question now becomes , what happens to all that information ?
" It depends what the terms were [ buynlarge.com ] .
Here 's hoping they read the fine print before signing up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"The question now becomes, what happens to all that information?
"It depends what the terms were [buynlarge.com].
Here's hoping they read the fine print before signing up.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438375</id>
	<title>Headline Misspelling</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245769860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The headline should, I believe, read 'Verified IdentiTy Pass', not 'Verified IdentiFy Pass'.</p><p>That is all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The headline should , I believe , read 'Verified IdentiTy Pass ' , not 'Verified IdentiFy Pass'.That is all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The headline should, I believe, read 'Verified IdentiTy Pass', not 'Verified IdentiFy Pass'.That is all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28439233</id>
	<title>Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando...</title>
	<author>metlin</author>
	<datestamp>1245773400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As a seasoned traveler, I could have told you that Clear wasn't going anywhere. Forget Orlando - New York on Monday mornings or O'Hare in winter make Orlando look like a walk in the park.</p><p>The problem with Clear is that they are not available at more than a couple of gates and terminals at any airport. So, you would end up going to that particular gate or terminal to get through Clear, as opposed to the one you are flying out of. Worse yet is that in some airports, they only have it available to passengers flying a certain airline (e.g. in Cincinnati, you can only go through Clear if you are flying Delta -- most American, US Air and United customers would have to go through good old TSA since the Delta terminal is not connected with any other terminal). Hell, they are not even available at all airports, which sort of defeats the complete purpose for a frequent flier.</p><p>Secondly, as a frequent flier, I simply go to the priority access lanes. If you've any kind of airline status, or if you're flying business/first, you get to go through a much shorter line, and do not have to stand behind muggles and grandma with her 500oz hair shampoo. These lines are shorter, and move much faster because seasoned and frequent fliers pack as little as they have to. For example, I can pretty much pack all that I need for a week in a laptop bag, including workout clothes and gym gear, books, emergency snacks etc. Throw in a garment bag and you've plenty of space for a vacation for a month. So, frequent flier lanes are also much faster because these people don't spend their time arguing with TSA to let them take their hair gel or water bottle through.</p><p>I must also say that I've seen a remarkable difference in TSA attitudes in the past couple of years. That helps, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a seasoned traveler , I could have told you that Clear was n't going anywhere .
Forget Orlando - New York on Monday mornings or O'Hare in winter make Orlando look like a walk in the park.The problem with Clear is that they are not available at more than a couple of gates and terminals at any airport .
So , you would end up going to that particular gate or terminal to get through Clear , as opposed to the one you are flying out of .
Worse yet is that in some airports , they only have it available to passengers flying a certain airline ( e.g .
in Cincinnati , you can only go through Clear if you are flying Delta -- most American , US Air and United customers would have to go through good old TSA since the Delta terminal is not connected with any other terminal ) .
Hell , they are not even available at all airports , which sort of defeats the complete purpose for a frequent flier.Secondly , as a frequent flier , I simply go to the priority access lanes .
If you 've any kind of airline status , or if you 're flying business/first , you get to go through a much shorter line , and do not have to stand behind muggles and grandma with her 500oz hair shampoo .
These lines are shorter , and move much faster because seasoned and frequent fliers pack as little as they have to .
For example , I can pretty much pack all that I need for a week in a laptop bag , including workout clothes and gym gear , books , emergency snacks etc .
Throw in a garment bag and you 've plenty of space for a vacation for a month .
So , frequent flier lanes are also much faster because these people do n't spend their time arguing with TSA to let them take their hair gel or water bottle through.I must also say that I 've seen a remarkable difference in TSA attitudes in the past couple of years .
That helps , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a seasoned traveler, I could have told you that Clear wasn't going anywhere.
Forget Orlando - New York on Monday mornings or O'Hare in winter make Orlando look like a walk in the park.The problem with Clear is that they are not available at more than a couple of gates and terminals at any airport.
So, you would end up going to that particular gate or terminal to get through Clear, as opposed to the one you are flying out of.
Worse yet is that in some airports, they only have it available to passengers flying a certain airline (e.g.
in Cincinnati, you can only go through Clear if you are flying Delta -- most American, US Air and United customers would have to go through good old TSA since the Delta terminal is not connected with any other terminal).
Hell, they are not even available at all airports, which sort of defeats the complete purpose for a frequent flier.Secondly, as a frequent flier, I simply go to the priority access lanes.
If you've any kind of airline status, or if you're flying business/first, you get to go through a much shorter line, and do not have to stand behind muggles and grandma with her 500oz hair shampoo.
These lines are shorter, and move much faster because seasoned and frequent fliers pack as little as they have to.
For example, I can pretty much pack all that I need for a week in a laptop bag, including workout clothes and gym gear, books, emergency snacks etc.
Throw in a garment bag and you've plenty of space for a vacation for a month.
So, frequent flier lanes are also much faster because these people don't spend their time arguing with TSA to let them take their hair gel or water bottle through.I must also say that I've seen a remarkable difference in TSA attitudes in the past couple of years.
That helps, too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28446517</id>
	<title>Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245756720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I must also say that I've seen a remarkable difference in TSA attitudes in the past couple of years. That helps, too.</p></div><p>You mean they've successfully trained the citizens to behave according to their security theatre, and therefore have less pushback on their outrageous policies?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I must also say that I 've seen a remarkable difference in TSA attitudes in the past couple of years .
That helps , too.You mean they 've successfully trained the citizens to behave according to their security theatre , and therefore have less pushback on their outrageous policies ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I must also say that I've seen a remarkable difference in TSA attitudes in the past couple of years.
That helps, too.You mean they've successfully trained the citizens to behave according to their security theatre, and therefore have less pushback on their outrageous policies?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438355</id>
	<title>Re:Color me unsurprised</title>
	<author>rwade</author>
	<datestamp>1245769740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It begs the question:  why bother?   Which is why I am sure they are having trouble attracting customers.</p><p>I travel enough that an expedited security procedure would be helpful.  However I can't see *any* value in this program.  Apparently, I am not alone.</p></div><p>To me the bigger question is the public good provided in exchange for the line jump.</p><p>The biometric data, the retinal scanning, and the background checks or whatever they did over there seemed to be just a way to say "Hey, look at us -- we're helping prevent terrorism by collecting this data and making sure folks getting on the plane are who they say they are." In essence, it was a sham as they just went through the same security check anyway and as long as one is a first-time terrorist that knows what he's doing, it's no problem for you to make it through CLEAR.</p><p>eg. some of the September 11 hijackers managed to make it through freaking flight school in the US without a problem -- are they suggesting they couldn't make it through CLEAR? I find that hard to believe.</p><p>The CLEAR program was a way for publicly funded airports to give the opportunity to skip in front of the line in exchange for a fee paid to a third party.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It begs the question : why bother ?
Which is why I am sure they are having trouble attracting customers.I travel enough that an expedited security procedure would be helpful .
However I ca n't see * any * value in this program .
Apparently , I am not alone.To me the bigger question is the public good provided in exchange for the line jump.The biometric data , the retinal scanning , and the background checks or whatever they did over there seemed to be just a way to say " Hey , look at us -- we 're helping prevent terrorism by collecting this data and making sure folks getting on the plane are who they say they are .
" In essence , it was a sham as they just went through the same security check anyway and as long as one is a first-time terrorist that knows what he 's doing , it 's no problem for you to make it through CLEAR.eg .
some of the September 11 hijackers managed to make it through freaking flight school in the US without a problem -- are they suggesting they could n't make it through CLEAR ?
I find that hard to believe.The CLEAR program was a way for publicly funded airports to give the opportunity to skip in front of the line in exchange for a fee paid to a third party .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It begs the question:  why bother?
Which is why I am sure they are having trouble attracting customers.I travel enough that an expedited security procedure would be helpful.
However I can't see *any* value in this program.
Apparently, I am not alone.To me the bigger question is the public good provided in exchange for the line jump.The biometric data, the retinal scanning, and the background checks or whatever they did over there seemed to be just a way to say "Hey, look at us -- we're helping prevent terrorism by collecting this data and making sure folks getting on the plane are who they say they are.
" In essence, it was a sham as they just went through the same security check anyway and as long as one is a first-time terrorist that knows what he's doing, it's no problem for you to make it through CLEAR.eg.
some of the September 11 hijackers managed to make it through freaking flight school in the US without a problem -- are they suggesting they couldn't make it through CLEAR?
I find that hard to believe.The CLEAR program was a way for publicly funded airports to give the opportunity to skip in front of the line in exchange for a fee paid to a third party.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28439707</id>
	<title>Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando...</title>
	<author>clegrand</author>
	<datestamp>1245775020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>... All of their staff signed up for Clear and said it was either unavailable or pretty much worthless everywhere EXCEPT Orlando...</p></div><p>I am disappointed at the news<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. I fly out of San Francisco regularly and it was an incredible convenience. Of course, traveling with family who DIDN'T have the card meant I had to walk thru the normal line with them while I stared longingly at the Clear lane.. heh.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... All of their staff signed up for Clear and said it was either unavailable or pretty much worthless everywhere EXCEPT Orlando...I am disappointed at the news .. I fly out of San Francisco regularly and it was an incredible convenience .
Of course , traveling with family who DID N'T have the card meant I had to walk thru the normal line with them while I stared longingly at the Clear lane.. heh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... All of their staff signed up for Clear and said it was either unavailable or pretty much worthless everywhere EXCEPT Orlando...I am disappointed at the news .. I fly out of San Francisco regularly and it was an incredible convenience.
Of course, traveling with family who DIDN'T have the card meant I had to walk thru the normal line with them while I stared longingly at the Clear lane.. heh.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28443229</id>
	<title>Whew!  I almost signed up</title>
	<author>TheSync</author>
	<datestamp>1245787620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was very close to signing up for Clear, but it always seemed too expensive for the value.  I fly on a monthly basis, I suppose if I flew on a weekly basis I would have signed up already.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was very close to signing up for Clear , but it always seemed too expensive for the value .
I fly on a monthly basis , I suppose if I flew on a weekly basis I would have signed up already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was very close to signing up for Clear, but it always seemed too expensive for the value.
I fly on a monthly basis, I suppose if I flew on a weekly basis I would have signed up already.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438067</id>
	<title>Good riddance</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245768120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I am very glad to see this go.  I have always thought that the "trusted" traveler program is unfair and dangerous to everyone's civil liberties.  Those who travel frequently should have the go through the same hassle as everyone else, and so will be more likely to complain and get the system fixed for all of us.  If frequent traveler are segregated into their own first class lane, they have less incentive to work to change the system, and the rest of the traveling public do not fly enough to care.  This is the same reason that racial profiling of any sort is wrong.  If society decides that law enforcement needs to inconvenience people, then all people, especially those with the power to effect the decision should have to pay the price, and not just a relatively powerless minority.</p><p>

Airport security, as a whole, is pretty much worthless, and seems only to serve the purpose of getting people used to law enforcement checkpoints ("papers, please")  The one post 9/11/01 change that did matter was the reinforcing of the cockpit doors.  Everything else the TSA (or private screeners, before the establishment of the TSA) did, from the banning of drinking water, to the confiscation of Leatherman tools has not done anything to make anyones flights any safer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I am very glad to see this go .
I have always thought that the " trusted " traveler program is unfair and dangerous to everyone 's civil liberties .
Those who travel frequently should have the go through the same hassle as everyone else , and so will be more likely to complain and get the system fixed for all of us .
If frequent traveler are segregated into their own first class lane , they have less incentive to work to change the system , and the rest of the traveling public do not fly enough to care .
This is the same reason that racial profiling of any sort is wrong .
If society decides that law enforcement needs to inconvenience people , then all people , especially those with the power to effect the decision should have to pay the price , and not just a relatively powerless minority .
Airport security , as a whole , is pretty much worthless , and seems only to serve the purpose of getting people used to law enforcement checkpoints ( " papers , please " ) The one post 9/11/01 change that did matter was the reinforcing of the cockpit doors .
Everything else the TSA ( or private screeners , before the establishment of the TSA ) did , from the banning of drinking water , to the confiscation of Leatherman tools has not done anything to make anyones flights any safer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I am very glad to see this go.
I have always thought that the "trusted" traveler program is unfair and dangerous to everyone's civil liberties.
Those who travel frequently should have the go through the same hassle as everyone else, and so will be more likely to complain and get the system fixed for all of us.
If frequent traveler are segregated into their own first class lane, they have less incentive to work to change the system, and the rest of the traveling public do not fly enough to care.
This is the same reason that racial profiling of any sort is wrong.
If society decides that law enforcement needs to inconvenience people, then all people, especially those with the power to effect the decision should have to pay the price, and not just a relatively powerless minority.
Airport security, as a whole, is pretty much worthless, and seems only to serve the purpose of getting people used to law enforcement checkpoints ("papers, please")  The one post 9/11/01 change that did matter was the reinforcing of the cockpit doors.
Everything else the TSA (or private screeners, before the establishment of the TSA) did, from the banning of drinking water, to the confiscation of Leatherman tools has not done anything to make anyones flights any safer.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437599</id>
	<title>Most people won't care, but at Orlando...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245765540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is too bad for a few folks. One of the training companies used extensively by my employer is headquartered in Florida. All of their staff signed up for Clear and said it was either unavailable or pretty much worthless everywhere EXCEPT Orlando. There, seasoned travelers frequently found themselves in line behind hundreds of Disney-vacationing families with little kids, families unused to flying and doing everything wrong while still trying to herd the ankle-biters. It was supposedly a nightmare. For that airport and that airport alone, those guys thought Clear was a godsend.</p><p>Everywhere else? Their attitude was...meh.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is too bad for a few folks .
One of the training companies used extensively by my employer is headquartered in Florida .
All of their staff signed up for Clear and said it was either unavailable or pretty much worthless everywhere EXCEPT Orlando .
There , seasoned travelers frequently found themselves in line behind hundreds of Disney-vacationing families with little kids , families unused to flying and doing everything wrong while still trying to herd the ankle-biters .
It was supposedly a nightmare .
For that airport and that airport alone , those guys thought Clear was a godsend.Everywhere else ?
Their attitude was...meh .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is too bad for a few folks.
One of the training companies used extensively by my employer is headquartered in Florida.
All of their staff signed up for Clear and said it was either unavailable or pretty much worthless everywhere EXCEPT Orlando.
There, seasoned travelers frequently found themselves in line behind hundreds of Disney-vacationing families with little kids, families unused to flying and doing everything wrong while still trying to herd the ankle-biters.
It was supposedly a nightmare.
For that airport and that airport alone, those guys thought Clear was a godsend.Everywhere else?
Their attitude was...meh.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437749</id>
	<title>Who are we kidding?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245766320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a business. A business exists to make money. If it's legally possible, the information will be sold to the highest bidder.</p><p>Sorry, but it's the American way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a business .
A business exists to make money .
If it 's legally possible , the information will be sold to the highest bidder.Sorry , but it 's the American way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a business.
A business exists to make money.
If it's legally possible, the information will be sold to the highest bidder.Sorry, but it's the American way.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438955</id>
	<title>Re:Color me unsurprised</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245772380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought the same as you, but I started travelling DEN/SFO every other week.  The lines at DEN are somewhat efficient and I never had an issue.  But at SFO, when I returned home Friday morning, we got hit with the international fliers where the lines literally wrapped around corners and out the doors.  The Clear lines were... well... clear.  So I decided to get a card and I never looked back.  I was able to check in on line and show up at the airport 45 minutes before the flight took off.  The best was right before a holiday, I had to go to SFO.  The DEN lines were over an hour that day wrapping and wrapping.  I waltzed right through the line and bypassed everyone.  That right there made it all worth it (I know... but I really hate lines a lot). That really reduced the stress of the airport experience.  I for one, will be sad to see it go as it really did make my travel experience a bit less stressful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought the same as you , but I started travelling DEN/SFO every other week .
The lines at DEN are somewhat efficient and I never had an issue .
But at SFO , when I returned home Friday morning , we got hit with the international fliers where the lines literally wrapped around corners and out the doors .
The Clear lines were... well... clear .
So I decided to get a card and I never looked back .
I was able to check in on line and show up at the airport 45 minutes before the flight took off .
The best was right before a holiday , I had to go to SFO .
The DEN lines were over an hour that day wrapping and wrapping .
I waltzed right through the line and bypassed everyone .
That right there made it all worth it ( I know... but I really hate lines a lot ) .
That really reduced the stress of the airport experience .
I for one , will be sad to see it go as it really did make my travel experience a bit less stressful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought the same as you, but I started travelling DEN/SFO every other week.
The lines at DEN are somewhat efficient and I never had an issue.
But at SFO, when I returned home Friday morning, we got hit with the international fliers where the lines literally wrapped around corners and out the doors.
The Clear lines were... well... clear.
So I decided to get a card and I never looked back.
I was able to check in on line and show up at the airport 45 minutes before the flight took off.
The best was right before a holiday, I had to go to SFO.
The DEN lines were over an hour that day wrapping and wrapping.
I waltzed right through the line and bypassed everyone.
That right there made it all worth it (I know... but I really hate lines a lot).
That really reduced the stress of the airport experience.
I for one, will be sad to see it go as it really did make my travel experience a bit less stressful.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437911</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28439265</id>
	<title>Re:Security Theater</title>
	<author>Dog-Cow</author>
	<datestamp>1245773460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I carry an empty bottled water bottle through and do the same thing.  It really ticked me off the last time I flew to NY to find that the new NWA terminal at Detroit Metro has no drinking fountains on the way to the gate.  I am certain this is on purpose.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I carry an empty bottled water bottle through and do the same thing .
It really ticked me off the last time I flew to NY to find that the new NWA terminal at Detroit Metro has no drinking fountains on the way to the gate .
I am certain this is on purpose .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I carry an empty bottled water bottle through and do the same thing.
It really ticked me off the last time I flew to NY to find that the new NWA terminal at Detroit Metro has no drinking fountains on the way to the gate.
I am certain this is on purpose.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438259</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28441493</id>
	<title>Re:Security Theater</title>
	<author>mattwarden</author>
	<datestamp>1245781860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Congratulations, sir, on completely missing the point.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Congratulations , sir , on completely missing the point .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Congratulations, sir, on completely missing the point.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438259</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437911</id>
	<title>Color me unsurprised</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245767160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I looked at the Clear Pass program.   It's a waste of money as far as I can tell.   Basically, as I understand it, you get to pay $200/yr for....wait for it.....a special line where you can go through the exact same security procedures as the other non clear pass lines.
<br>
<br>
It begs the question:  why bother?   Which is why I am sure they are having trouble attracting customers.
<br>
<br>
I travel enough that an expedited security procedure would be helpful.  However I can't see *any* value in this program.  Apparently, I am not alone.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I looked at the Clear Pass program .
It 's a waste of money as far as I can tell .
Basically , as I understand it , you get to pay $ 200/yr for....wait for it.....a special line where you can go through the exact same security procedures as the other non clear pass lines .
It begs the question : why bother ?
Which is why I am sure they are having trouble attracting customers .
I travel enough that an expedited security procedure would be helpful .
However I ca n't see * any * value in this program .
Apparently , I am not alone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I looked at the Clear Pass program.
It's a waste of money as far as I can tell.
Basically, as I understand it, you get to pay $200/yr for....wait for it.....a special line where you can go through the exact same security procedures as the other non clear pass lines.
It begs the question:  why bother?
Which is why I am sure they are having trouble attracting customers.
I travel enough that an expedited security procedure would be helpful.
However I can't see *any* value in this program.
Apparently, I am not alone.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28440335</id>
	<title>Re:I'm a Clear customer, but not out in the cold y</title>
	<author>Jah-Wren Ryel</author>
	<datestamp>1245777660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>My hope is that some enterprising company steps in and take over Clear's operations. The service is really great.</p></div><p>My hope is that someone knocks a little common-sense into congress and they stop wasting our tax dollars and our time on the TSA so <i>everybody</i> can go back to how things were before they created that cluster-fuck.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My hope is that some enterprising company steps in and take over Clear 's operations .
The service is really great.My hope is that someone knocks a little common-sense into congress and they stop wasting our tax dollars and our time on the TSA so everybody can go back to how things were before they created that cluster-fuck .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My hope is that some enterprising company steps in and take over Clear's operations.
The service is really great.My hope is that someone knocks a little common-sense into congress and they stop wasting our tax dollars and our time on the TSA so everybody can go back to how things were before they created that cluster-fuck.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438813</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437829</id>
	<title>Never signed up</title>
	<author>ToAllPointsWest</author>
	<datestamp>1245766680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Right now I'm so glad I never signed on for that BS.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Right now I 'm so glad I never signed on for that BS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right now I'm so glad I never signed on for that BS.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438741</id>
	<title>Re:Heathrow T5</title>
	<author>Ponderu</author>
	<datestamp>1245771420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Heathrow T5 is for 1st, business and flexible economy tickets, so more people can use this than you might think. And don't believe for a minute it runs faster! Do a search on Google for T5 Fast Track to see the complaints of frequent travellers who are eligible for fast track, many of whom now give it a miss and join the line with the rest of the "economy pleb"s as you put it.</p><p>From my own experience, the normal lines primarily have holidaymakers and casual travellers with one piece of hand luggage, whereas "fast track" has buiness travellers with one case and a laptop bag and therefore have to take their laptops AND liquids out of their bags. Thanks to T5's special "everything must go in the trays" design (and these trays are smaller than the maximum permitted hand baggage size!) and the distinct lack of space to prepare this is a massive hold up.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Heathrow T5 is for 1st , business and flexible economy tickets , so more people can use this than you might think .
And do n't believe for a minute it runs faster !
Do a search on Google for T5 Fast Track to see the complaints of frequent travellers who are eligible for fast track , many of whom now give it a miss and join the line with the rest of the " economy pleb " s as you put it.From my own experience , the normal lines primarily have holidaymakers and casual travellers with one piece of hand luggage , whereas " fast track " has buiness travellers with one case and a laptop bag and therefore have to take their laptops AND liquids out of their bags .
Thanks to T5 's special " everything must go in the trays " design ( and these trays are smaller than the maximum permitted hand baggage size !
) and the distinct lack of space to prepare this is a massive hold up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Heathrow T5 is for 1st, business and flexible economy tickets, so more people can use this than you might think.
And don't believe for a minute it runs faster!
Do a search on Google for T5 Fast Track to see the complaints of frequent travellers who are eligible for fast track, many of whom now give it a miss and join the line with the rest of the "economy pleb"s as you put it.From my own experience, the normal lines primarily have holidaymakers and casual travellers with one piece of hand luggage, whereas "fast track" has buiness travellers with one case and a laptop bag and therefore have to take their laptops AND liquids out of their bags.
Thanks to T5's special "everything must go in the trays" design (and these trays are smaller than the maximum permitted hand baggage size!
) and the distinct lack of space to prepare this is a massive hold up.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437655</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438065</id>
	<title>Re:Most people won't care, but at Orlando...</title>
	<author>ptbarnett</author>
	<datestamp>1245768120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>All of their staff signed up for Clear and said it was either unavailable or pretty much worthless everywhere EXCEPT Orlando. There, seasoned travelers frequently found themselves in line behind hundreds of Disney-vacationing families [...]</p></div><p>

This is the reason I signed up for Clear:  I had to stand in line for hours at Orlando.</p><p>

I used it a few other places, but was never able to bypass huge lines like those at Orlando.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>All of their staff signed up for Clear and said it was either unavailable or pretty much worthless everywhere EXCEPT Orlando .
There , seasoned travelers frequently found themselves in line behind hundreds of Disney-vacationing families [ ... ] This is the reason I signed up for Clear : I had to stand in line for hours at Orlando .
I used it a few other places , but was never able to bypass huge lines like those at Orlando .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All of their staff signed up for Clear and said it was either unavailable or pretty much worthless everywhere EXCEPT Orlando.
There, seasoned travelers frequently found themselves in line behind hundreds of Disney-vacationing families [...]

This is the reason I signed up for Clear:  I had to stand in line for hours at Orlando.
I used it a few other places, but was never able to bypass huge lines like those at Orlando.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437599</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438919</id>
	<title>Re:Heathrow T5</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245772200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But I PREFER drinking my explosive water, rather than throwing it in the trash with all the other explosive water. DAMMIT!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But I PREFER drinking my explosive water , rather than throwing it in the trash with all the other explosive water .
DAMMIT !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But I PREFER drinking my explosive water, rather than throwing it in the trash with all the other explosive water.
DAMMIT!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437655</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28440603</id>
	<title>Re:There goes my argument...</title>
	<author>TommydCat</author>
	<datestamp>1245778620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've always wondered about the sanity of fully screening flight crews after an episode I witnessed a few months after 9/11...<br> <br>
A few flight attendants cut in line in front of me just before the x-ray machines at the terminal security (which they are entitled to do, no complaints if they're cute) and the last one through set off the metal detector and had to be wanded.  She asked the TSA guy "uhhh, what exactly are you looking for, anyway?"<br>
He replied, "anything you may have on your person that you could use to attempt to gain access to the cockpit."  That seemed like a logical and fairly intelligent response from someone moments away from digging through my skivvies on my carry-on to find the suspicious USB cable.<br>
That is, until she pulled the key that was on a laniard around her neck into the open, and remarked, "Oh, you mean something like THIS?"<br> <br>
*facepalm*</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've always wondered about the sanity of fully screening flight crews after an episode I witnessed a few months after 9/11.. . A few flight attendants cut in line in front of me just before the x-ray machines at the terminal security ( which they are entitled to do , no complaints if they 're cute ) and the last one through set off the metal detector and had to be wanded .
She asked the TSA guy " uhhh , what exactly are you looking for , anyway ?
" He replied , " anything you may have on your person that you could use to attempt to gain access to the cockpit .
" That seemed like a logical and fairly intelligent response from someone moments away from digging through my skivvies on my carry-on to find the suspicious USB cable .
That is , until she pulled the key that was on a laniard around her neck into the open , and remarked , " Oh , you mean something like THIS ?
" * facepalm *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've always wondered about the sanity of fully screening flight crews after an episode I witnessed a few months after 9/11... 
A few flight attendants cut in line in front of me just before the x-ray machines at the terminal security (which they are entitled to do, no complaints if they're cute) and the last one through set off the metal detector and had to be wanded.
She asked the TSA guy "uhhh, what exactly are you looking for, anyway?
"
He replied, "anything you may have on your person that you could use to attempt to gain access to the cockpit.
"  That seemed like a logical and fairly intelligent response from someone moments away from digging through my skivvies on my carry-on to find the suspicious USB cable.
That is, until she pulled the key that was on a laniard around her neck into the open, and remarked, "Oh, you mean something like THIS?
" 
*facepalm*</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437637</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28439861</id>
	<title>Re:Heathrow T5</title>
	<author>metlin</author>
	<datestamp>1245775740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, in just about all airports in the US, passengers flying First, Business or with Frequent Flier Status have separate lanes that are much faster.</p><p>Secondly, no one asks you to buy a bottle of water. Carry a water bottle and refill it at a fountain once you are done checking in. It's really not rocket science. Hell, some times it is cheaper to buy a water bottle at an airport store and refill it than buying a new bottle of water.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , in just about all airports in the US , passengers flying First , Business or with Frequent Flier Status have separate lanes that are much faster.Secondly , no one asks you to buy a bottle of water .
Carry a water bottle and refill it at a fountain once you are done checking in .
It 's really not rocket science .
Hell , some times it is cheaper to buy a water bottle at an airport store and refill it than buying a new bottle of water .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, in just about all airports in the US, passengers flying First, Business or with Frequent Flier Status have separate lanes that are much faster.Secondly, no one asks you to buy a bottle of water.
Carry a water bottle and refill it at a fountain once you are done checking in.
It's really not rocket science.
Hell, some times it is cheaper to buy a water bottle at an airport store and refill it than buying a new bottle of water.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437655</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438731</id>
	<title>Why should biometric be private?</title>
	<author>Fastfwd</author>
	<datestamp>1245771360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You would think that the secure part would be the scanner where only REAL biometrics can be input(fingerprint from a finger, not a printed paper) and matches to "public key" biometrics on file.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You would think that the secure part would be the scanner where only REAL biometrics can be input ( fingerprint from a finger , not a printed paper ) and matches to " public key " biometrics on file .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You would think that the secure part would be the scanner where only REAL biometrics can be input(fingerprint from a finger, not a printed paper) and matches to "public key" biometrics on file.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28456491</id>
	<title>Re:Private companies selling public space</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245872820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First class and frequent business travelers keep the airline in business, thus by default keep the airport in business.  While we may not be paying you directly, if we all stopped flying you wouldn't have an airport to complain about not being special in.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First class and frequent business travelers keep the airline in business , thus by default keep the airport in business .
While we may not be paying you directly , if we all stopped flying you would n't have an airport to complain about not being special in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First class and frequent business travelers keep the airline in business, thus by default keep the airport in business.
While we may not be paying you directly, if we all stopped flying you wouldn't have an airport to complain about not being special in.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438123</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28442929</id>
	<title>Re:Security Theater</title>
	<author>curunir</author>
	<datestamp>1245786600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I thought the same thing until an international flight a couple of years ago. I was flying home from Japan and knew the flight would be long and I always get dehydrated when flying, so I brought 4 empty bottles with me. This worked fine at Narita and I was able to fill one of them up for the short first leg of my flight. And it even looked like it would work at the Seoul airport since I was able to fill up all 4 once I was beyond the security checkpoint.</p><p>But then it came time to board the airplane and there was yet another checkpoint for all flights to the US where they took all 4 of my bottles. The checkpoint was literally at the gate just before boarding the airplane, so there was no opportunity to fill the bottles beyond the checkpoint. And, of course, the flight attendant said they didn't have enough water on board to give me my own bottle.</p><p>So yes, there are many times where you can fill up your bottle beyond the security checkpoints. But no, it's not always possible and there are instances where people have a legitimate gripe about the availability of water.</p><p>P.S. As someone who does what you say for most flights, you can avoid the pressure issue by filling your bottle to the brim with water since the volume of water doesn't really change when the pressure changes. It's only when there's air in the bottle that you have to worry about pressure changes.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought the same thing until an international flight a couple of years ago .
I was flying home from Japan and knew the flight would be long and I always get dehydrated when flying , so I brought 4 empty bottles with me .
This worked fine at Narita and I was able to fill one of them up for the short first leg of my flight .
And it even looked like it would work at the Seoul airport since I was able to fill up all 4 once I was beyond the security checkpoint.But then it came time to board the airplane and there was yet another checkpoint for all flights to the US where they took all 4 of my bottles .
The checkpoint was literally at the gate just before boarding the airplane , so there was no opportunity to fill the bottles beyond the checkpoint .
And , of course , the flight attendant said they did n't have enough water on board to give me my own bottle.So yes , there are many times where you can fill up your bottle beyond the security checkpoints .
But no , it 's not always possible and there are instances where people have a legitimate gripe about the availability of water.P.S .
As someone who does what you say for most flights , you can avoid the pressure issue by filling your bottle to the brim with water since the volume of water does n't really change when the pressure changes .
It 's only when there 's air in the bottle that you have to worry about pressure changes .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought the same thing until an international flight a couple of years ago.
I was flying home from Japan and knew the flight would be long and I always get dehydrated when flying, so I brought 4 empty bottles with me.
This worked fine at Narita and I was able to fill one of them up for the short first leg of my flight.
And it even looked like it would work at the Seoul airport since I was able to fill up all 4 once I was beyond the security checkpoint.But then it came time to board the airplane and there was yet another checkpoint for all flights to the US where they took all 4 of my bottles.
The checkpoint was literally at the gate just before boarding the airplane, so there was no opportunity to fill the bottles beyond the checkpoint.
And, of course, the flight attendant said they didn't have enough water on board to give me my own bottle.So yes, there are many times where you can fill up your bottle beyond the security checkpoints.
But no, it's not always possible and there are instances where people have a legitimate gripe about the availability of water.P.S.
As someone who does what you say for most flights, you can avoid the pressure issue by filling your bottle to the brim with water since the volume of water doesn't really change when the pressure changes.
It's only when there's air in the bottle that you have to worry about pressure changes.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28442965</id>
	<title>Re:Security Theater</title>
	<author>Moridin42</author>
	<datestamp>1245786780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't know what the japanese airports have, but all I had to do was drop my soft drink onto a scanner and pick it up a couple seconds later. I assume it was some sort of chemical sniffer. Although it could certainly just been a bit of security theatre. I don't know. Slightly difficult to ask, too, when one doesn't speak the language.</p><p>Walk through the security check point enjoying my drink, not being hassled, not throwing away a perfectly fine refreshment, not having to take my shoes off to be scanned. And the lines at Haneda for security/check-in.. far better than the ridiculous times at Newark.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know what the japanese airports have , but all I had to do was drop my soft drink onto a scanner and pick it up a couple seconds later .
I assume it was some sort of chemical sniffer .
Although it could certainly just been a bit of security theatre .
I do n't know .
Slightly difficult to ask , too , when one does n't speak the language.Walk through the security check point enjoying my drink , not being hassled , not throwing away a perfectly fine refreshment , not having to take my shoes off to be scanned .
And the lines at Haneda for security/check-in.. far better than the ridiculous times at Newark .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know what the japanese airports have, but all I had to do was drop my soft drink onto a scanner and pick it up a couple seconds later.
I assume it was some sort of chemical sniffer.
Although it could certainly just been a bit of security theatre.
I don't know.
Slightly difficult to ask, too, when one doesn't speak the language.Walk through the security check point enjoying my drink, not being hassled, not throwing away a perfectly fine refreshment, not having to take my shoes off to be scanned.
And the lines at Haneda for security/check-in.. far better than the ridiculous times at Newark.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28438029</id>
	<title>Re:What happens?</title>
	<author>wjousts</author>
	<datestamp>1245767940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sad but (probably) true.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sad but ( probably ) true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sad but (probably) true.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437583</id>
	<title>What happens?</title>
	<author>cbiltcliffe</author>
	<datestamp>1245765480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The question now becomes, what happens to all that information?</p></div><p>Simple.  It gets sold on eBay along with their servers.....</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The question now becomes , what happens to all that information ? Simple .
It gets sold on eBay along with their servers.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The question now becomes, what happens to all that information?Simple.
It gets sold on eBay along with their servers.....
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437803</id>
	<title>Re:Heathrow T5</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245766620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not exactly a new thing on this side of the Atlantic, there have been First Class security lines in big US airports for most of this decade (if not longer).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not exactly a new thing on this side of the Atlantic , there have been First Class security lines in big US airports for most of this decade ( if not longer ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not exactly a new thing on this side of the Atlantic, there have been First Class security lines in big US airports for most of this decade (if not longer).</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28437655</id>
	<title>Heathrow T5</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245765900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They still have something similar at the new BA Heathrow terminal. If you're a business or 1st class passenger you get your own special lane in the security checks where (presumably - I'm just an economy pleb) the line moves faster (fewer unwashed masses) and maybe the staff are less rude to you. I guess it's just another part of the "aspirational" nature of flying, where you wish you could afford to fly business because it might be a slightly less depressing and dehumanising experience.</p><p>The cynic in me says that this is a natural and welcome part of <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200811/airport-security" title="theatlantic.com">security theatre</a> [theatlantic.com]. Like forcing everybody to rebuy their bottled water every time they fly, this practice seems to have a lot more to do with making companies associated with flight security a pile of money than it does making anybody safe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They still have something similar at the new BA Heathrow terminal .
If you 're a business or 1st class passenger you get your own special lane in the security checks where ( presumably - I 'm just an economy pleb ) the line moves faster ( fewer unwashed masses ) and maybe the staff are less rude to you .
I guess it 's just another part of the " aspirational " nature of flying , where you wish you could afford to fly business because it might be a slightly less depressing and dehumanising experience.The cynic in me says that this is a natural and welcome part of security theatre [ theatlantic.com ] .
Like forcing everybody to rebuy their bottled water every time they fly , this practice seems to have a lot more to do with making companies associated with flight security a pile of money than it does making anybody safe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They still have something similar at the new BA Heathrow terminal.
If you're a business or 1st class passenger you get your own special lane in the security checks where (presumably - I'm just an economy pleb) the line moves faster (fewer unwashed masses) and maybe the staff are less rude to you.
I guess it's just another part of the "aspirational" nature of flying, where you wish you could afford to fly business because it might be a slightly less depressing and dehumanising experience.The cynic in me says that this is a natural and welcome part of security theatre [theatlantic.com].
Like forcing everybody to rebuy their bottled water every time they fly, this practice seems to have a lot more to do with making companies associated with flight security a pile of money than it does making anybody safe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28447035</id>
	<title>Farne</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245759300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I used to work for one of these RT companies and let me tell you they drove us all out of business, then they pull this? I can't believe these corporations are allowed to take people's money like this. Some of you paid up to 1000 dollars for this garbage. I'm sad that these scams can exist in the open.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I used to work for one of these RT companies and let me tell you they drove us all out of business , then they pull this ?
I ca n't believe these corporations are allowed to take people 's money like this .
Some of you paid up to 1000 dollars for this garbage .
I 'm sad that these scams can exist in the open .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I used to work for one of these RT companies and let me tell you they drove us all out of business, then they pull this?
I can't believe these corporations are allowed to take people's money like this.
Some of you paid up to 1000 dollars for this garbage.
I'm sad that these scams can exist in the open.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_23_1235230.28454067</id>
	<title>Re:Private companies selling public space</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245864540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Priority lines at the airport bug me. First class passengers are not paying me or the airport, the airline is collecting the cash.</p></div><p>First class passengers <i>are</i> paying the airport, just like every other passenger. There's a per-segment fee imposed by most airports, which can be as much as $10 to $15 per combined landing/takeoff. This is bundled up in the "taxes &amp; fees" section, as an "Airport Facilities" charge, and goes directly to the airport.</p><p>Tip: If you have a stopover where the flight number doesn't change, you don't have to pay the airport fees for that stop.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Priority lines at the airport bug me .
First class passengers are not paying me or the airport , the airline is collecting the cash.First class passengers are paying the airport , just like every other passenger .
There 's a per-segment fee imposed by most airports , which can be as much as $ 10 to $ 15 per combined landing/takeoff .
This is bundled up in the " taxes &amp; fees " section , as an " Airport Facilities " charge , and goes directly to the airport.Tip : If you have a stopover where the flight number does n't change , you do n't have to pay the airport fees for that stop .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Priority lines at the airport bug me.
First class passengers are not paying me or the airport, the airline is collecting the cash.First class passengers are paying the airport, just like every other passenger.
There's a per-segment fee imposed by most airports, which can be as much as $10 to $15 per combined landing/takeoff.
This is bundled up in the "taxes &amp; fees" section, as an "Airport Facilities" charge, and goes directly to the airport.Tip: If you have a stopover where the flight number doesn't change, you don't have to pay the airport fees for that stop.
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