<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_21_1945216</id>
	<title>Kindle, Zune DRM Restrictions Coming Into Focus</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1245571800000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>It's not news that the media you buy for both Kindle and Zune are protected by DRM. Readers are sending in stories of some of the ramifications of that fact. First, <a href="http://thesplinteredmind.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">Absentminded-Artist</a> notes an account at Gear Diary recounting what an Amazon rep told one user about <a href="http://www.geardiary.com/2009/06/19/kindles-drm-rears-its-ugly-head-and-it-is-ugly/">download limits on Kindle books</a>. <i>"One facet of the Kindle's DRM has reared an ugly head: download limitations. Upgraded your iPhone recently? Bought a new Kindle? You may not be able to reload your entire library. There's an unadvertised flag: 'You mean when you go to buy the book it doesn't say "this book can be downloaded this number of times" even though that limitation is there?' To which [the rep] replied, 'No, I'm very sorry it doesn't.'"</i> Next, reader <a href="http://www.facebook.com/joe.howes" rel="nofollow">Rjak</a> writes <i>"DRM is a bad idea, poorly implemented. One of the many many valid reasons to drop Zune and its marketplace is the DRM validation error you see below. The vast majority of the music I had purchased last year is completely gone.  There's no refund, the music doesn't exist on the service anymore, the files are just garbage now. Here's the error (<a href="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=7271611&amp;l=feefec372d&amp;id=623900290">screen capture</a>): 'This item is no longer available at Zune Marketplace. Because of this, you can no longer play it or sync it with your Zune. There might be another iteration of it available in Zune Marketplace.'"</i> <b>Update: 06/23 00:28 GMT</b> by <b> <a href="http://slashdot.org/~kdawson/">KD</a> </b>: The Gear Diary blog has been updated with what may be <a href="http://www.geardiary.com/2009/06/21/kindlegate-confusion-abounds-regarding-kindle-download-policy/">more definitive information from Amazon</a> on how the Kindle DRM behaves.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not news that the media you buy for both Kindle and Zune are protected by DRM .
Readers are sending in stories of some of the ramifications of that fact .
First , Absentminded-Artist notes an account at Gear Diary recounting what an Amazon rep told one user about download limits on Kindle books .
" One facet of the Kindle 's DRM has reared an ugly head : download limitations .
Upgraded your iPhone recently ?
Bought a new Kindle ?
You may not be able to reload your entire library .
There 's an unadvertised flag : 'You mean when you go to buy the book it does n't say " this book can be downloaded this number of times " even though that limitation is there ?
' To which [ the rep ] replied , 'No , I 'm very sorry it does n't .
' " Next , reader Rjak writes " DRM is a bad idea , poorly implemented .
One of the many many valid reasons to drop Zune and its marketplace is the DRM validation error you see below .
The vast majority of the music I had purchased last year is completely gone .
There 's no refund , the music does n't exist on the service anymore , the files are just garbage now .
Here 's the error ( screen capture ) : 'This item is no longer available at Zune Marketplace .
Because of this , you can no longer play it or sync it with your Zune .
There might be another iteration of it available in Zune Marketplace .
' " Update : 06/23 00 : 28 GMT by KD : The Gear Diary blog has been updated with what may be more definitive information from Amazon on how the Kindle DRM behaves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not news that the media you buy for both Kindle and Zune are protected by DRM.
Readers are sending in stories of some of the ramifications of that fact.
First, Absentminded-Artist notes an account at Gear Diary recounting what an Amazon rep told one user about download limits on Kindle books.
"One facet of the Kindle's DRM has reared an ugly head: download limitations.
Upgraded your iPhone recently?
Bought a new Kindle?
You may not be able to reload your entire library.
There's an unadvertised flag: 'You mean when you go to buy the book it doesn't say "this book can be downloaded this number of times" even though that limitation is there?
' To which [the rep] replied, 'No, I'm very sorry it doesn't.
'" Next, reader Rjak writes "DRM is a bad idea, poorly implemented.
One of the many many valid reasons to drop Zune and its marketplace is the DRM validation error you see below.
The vast majority of the music I had purchased last year is completely gone.
There's no refund, the music doesn't exist on the service anymore, the files are just garbage now.
Here's the error (screen capture): 'This item is no longer available at Zune Marketplace.
Because of this, you can no longer play it or sync it with your Zune.
There might be another iteration of it available in Zune Marketplace.
'" Update: 06/23 00:28 GMT by  KD : The Gear Diary blog has been updated with what may be more definitive information from Amazon on how the Kindle DRM behaves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413523</id>
	<title>How old are these Zune purchases?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245578340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Zune Marketplace is 90\% DRM free currently since 2008.  Also with a Zune pass, you get unlimited songs (with DRM), however you get to keep 10 songs DRM free per month.</p><p>Source: http://www.twice.com/article/CA6618369.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Zune Marketplace is 90 \ % DRM free currently since 2008 .
Also with a Zune pass , you get unlimited songs ( with DRM ) , however you get to keep 10 songs DRM free per month.Source : http : //www.twice.com/article/CA6618369.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Zune Marketplace is 90\% DRM free currently since 2008.
Also with a Zune pass, you get unlimited songs (with DRM), however you get to keep 10 songs DRM free per month.Source: http://www.twice.com/article/CA6618369.html</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28425749</id>
	<title>Steam plz</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245697680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If there's anyone who got DRM "right", it's Valve. The only thing you just have to worry about is your account doesn't get stolen or spoofed. Otherwise, you can download anywhere you want, any time you want, on anything you want.</p><p>Direct2Drive comes in at a close second, but it's basically downloading an ISO of the game itself. So if the retail box had DRM, Direct2Drive has DRM. Steam doesn't.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If there 's anyone who got DRM " right " , it 's Valve .
The only thing you just have to worry about is your account does n't get stolen or spoofed .
Otherwise , you can download anywhere you want , any time you want , on anything you want.Direct2Drive comes in at a close second , but it 's basically downloading an ISO of the game itself .
So if the retail box had DRM , Direct2Drive has DRM .
Steam does n't .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there's anyone who got DRM "right", it's Valve.
The only thing you just have to worry about is your account doesn't get stolen or spoofed.
Otherwise, you can download anywhere you want, any time you want, on anything you want.Direct2Drive comes in at a close second, but it's basically downloading an ISO of the game itself.
So if the retail box had DRM, Direct2Drive has DRM.
Steam doesn't.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28427467</id>
	<title>Zune = MP3</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245703620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Don't suppose it matters to anyone that tracks purchased from Zune are typically in unprotected MP3 format, does it? No, takes the fun  out of it, so carry on.</p><p>(the subscription stuff is protected.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do n't suppose it matters to anyone that tracks purchased from Zune are typically in unprotected MP3 format , does it ?
No , takes the fun out of it , so carry on .
( the subscription stuff is protected .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Don't suppose it matters to anyone that tracks purchased from Zune are typically in unprotected MP3 format, does it?
No, takes the fun  out of it, so carry on.
(the subscription stuff is protected.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413883</id>
	<title>Dropping a zune.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245581340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>One of the many many valid reasons to drop Zune....</p></div><p>Really, you should be dropping a zune every day. Constipation is no laughing matter.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>One of the many many valid reasons to drop Zune....Really , you should be dropping a zune every day .
Constipation is no laughing matter .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One of the many many valid reasons to drop Zune....Really, you should be dropping a zune every day.
Constipation is no laughing matter.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413347</id>
	<title>Re:F*ck DRM! F*ck it right in its stupidd a55!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245577080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I would do the same thing, if I could figure out how to make complete copies of the 100+ DVD disc collection I have.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I would do the same thing , if I could figure out how to make complete copies of the 100 + DVD disc collection I have .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would do the same thing, if I could figure out how to make complete copies of the 100+ DVD disc collection I have.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413277</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413591</id>
	<title>Microsoft violating its own EULA.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245578880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Microsoft seems to be violating <a href="https://zunestore.net/us/catalog/Content.aspx?id=TermsOfUse" title="zunestore.net">their own Zune EULA</a> [zunestore.net]:
</p><p>
<i>
Microsoft may from time to time make available for download from the Services certain images, artwork, photographs, videos, and other content (the "Downloadable Content"). Microsoft hereby grants you a limited, non-transferable, nonexclusive license to download such content solely for your personal, noncommercial use in accordance with these Terms of Use. Such license shall be limited to the specific purpose for which such Downloadable Content was made available (e.g. for use as wallpaper or poster prints, as specified in connection with the download), and you may not modify, distribute, perform, transmit , create derivative works of or otherwise use such Downloadable Content or make any commercial or public use thereof. Downloadable Content shall only include content which Microsoft specifically identifies as being available for download, and you agree not to remove of obscure any copyright notice that appears in the Downloadable Content.
</i>
</p><p>
Note the words "Microsoft hereby <b>grants you a limited, non-transferable, nonexclusive license</b> to download such content solely for your personal, noncommercial use in accordance with these Terms of Use."  Microsoft granted you a license.  They didn't provide a provision which allows them to revoke that license.  They don't have the option, once having sold you a license, to take it back.  The FTC was out to lunch during the Bush Administration, but they're <a href="http://www.ftc.gov/os/2009/06/index.shtm" title="ftc.gov">back in business.</a> [ftc.gov]
</p><p>
So if you have a Zune, and it won't play something you paid for, go to the <a href="https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/" title="ftccomplai...istant.gov">Federal Trade Commission online complaint page</a> [ftccomplai...istant.gov] and start filling out the form.
</p><p>
The FTC was out to lunch during the Bush Administration years, but that's over.  They're <a href="http://www.ftc.gov/os/2009/06/index.shtm" title="ftc.gov">back in business.</a> [ftc.gov]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft seems to be violating their own Zune EULA [ zunestore.net ] : Microsoft may from time to time make available for download from the Services certain images , artwork , photographs , videos , and other content ( the " Downloadable Content " ) .
Microsoft hereby grants you a limited , non-transferable , nonexclusive license to download such content solely for your personal , noncommercial use in accordance with these Terms of Use .
Such license shall be limited to the specific purpose for which such Downloadable Content was made available ( e.g .
for use as wallpaper or poster prints , as specified in connection with the download ) , and you may not modify , distribute , perform , transmit , create derivative works of or otherwise use such Downloadable Content or make any commercial or public use thereof .
Downloadable Content shall only include content which Microsoft specifically identifies as being available for download , and you agree not to remove of obscure any copyright notice that appears in the Downloadable Content .
Note the words " Microsoft hereby grants you a limited , non-transferable , nonexclusive license to download such content solely for your personal , noncommercial use in accordance with these Terms of Use .
" Microsoft granted you a license .
They did n't provide a provision which allows them to revoke that license .
They do n't have the option , once having sold you a license , to take it back .
The FTC was out to lunch during the Bush Administration , but they 're back in business .
[ ftc.gov ] So if you have a Zune , and it wo n't play something you paid for , go to the Federal Trade Commission online complaint page [ ftccomplai...istant.gov ] and start filling out the form .
The FTC was out to lunch during the Bush Administration years , but that 's over .
They 're back in business .
[ ftc.gov ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Microsoft seems to be violating their own Zune EULA [zunestore.net]:


Microsoft may from time to time make available for download from the Services certain images, artwork, photographs, videos, and other content (the "Downloadable Content").
Microsoft hereby grants you a limited, non-transferable, nonexclusive license to download such content solely for your personal, noncommercial use in accordance with these Terms of Use.
Such license shall be limited to the specific purpose for which such Downloadable Content was made available (e.g.
for use as wallpaper or poster prints, as specified in connection with the download), and you may not modify, distribute, perform, transmit , create derivative works of or otherwise use such Downloadable Content or make any commercial or public use thereof.
Downloadable Content shall only include content which Microsoft specifically identifies as being available for download, and you agree not to remove of obscure any copyright notice that appears in the Downloadable Content.
Note the words "Microsoft hereby grants you a limited, non-transferable, nonexclusive license to download such content solely for your personal, noncommercial use in accordance with these Terms of Use.
"  Microsoft granted you a license.
They didn't provide a provision which allows them to revoke that license.
They don't have the option, once having sold you a license, to take it back.
The FTC was out to lunch during the Bush Administration, but they're back in business.
[ftc.gov]

So if you have a Zune, and it won't play something you paid for, go to the Federal Trade Commission online complaint page [ftccomplai...istant.gov] and start filling out the form.
The FTC was out to lunch during the Bush Administration years, but that's over.
They're back in business.
[ftc.gov]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413237</id>
	<title>Surprised...</title>
	<author>owlnation</author>
	<datestamp>1245576300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The Zune still exists?<br> <br>

I'm genuinely not meaning to trash MS, I really thought that the Zune was a dead product. I've never actually even seen one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Zune still exists ?
I 'm genuinely not meaning to trash MS , I really thought that the Zune was a dead product .
I 've never actually even seen one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Zune still exists?
I'm genuinely not meaning to trash MS, I really thought that the Zune was a dead product.
I've never actually even seen one.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28426179</id>
	<title>Re:Why buy encumbered books?</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1245699420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>When the library of classic works available so dwarfs what you can expect to complete in a mere few years anyway?</p><p> <a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main\_Page" title="gutenberg.org">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main\_Page</a> [gutenberg.org] </p></div><p>Because not all literature is also good to read<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When the library of classic works available so dwarfs what you can expect to complete in a mere few years anyway ?
http : //www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main \ _Page [ gutenberg.org ] Because not all literature is also good to read ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When the library of classic works available so dwarfs what you can expect to complete in a mere few years anyway?
http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main\_Page [gutenberg.org] Because not all literature is also good to read ;)
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413421</id>
	<title>I have a hard time feeling sorry...</title>
	<author>IANAAC</author>
	<datestamp>1245577740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>for those that buy DRMed music. E-books are another story.
<p>
Every single piece of DRMed music is available in some other format, be it a purchasable CD (my personal choice), or via other, possibly less legal means.  Get your music in a non-DRMed format and do what you like with it.
</p><p>
It's not like this is the first time we've heard of customers getting shafted by DRM. It's been going on for years.  Learn from it and move on to something you know you can use.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>for those that buy DRMed music .
E-books are another story .
Every single piece of DRMed music is available in some other format , be it a purchasable CD ( my personal choice ) , or via other , possibly less legal means .
Get your music in a non-DRMed format and do what you like with it .
It 's not like this is the first time we 've heard of customers getting shafted by DRM .
It 's been going on for years .
Learn from it and move on to something you know you can use .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>for those that buy DRMed music.
E-books are another story.
Every single piece of DRMed music is available in some other format, be it a purchasable CD (my personal choice), or via other, possibly less legal means.
Get your music in a non-DRMed format and do what you like with it.
It's not like this is the first time we've heard of customers getting shafted by DRM.
It's been going on for years.
Learn from it and move on to something you know you can use.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28419937</id>
	<title>Zune Marketplace</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245676320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Last I checked; all the music in the Zune Marketplace is DRM free. At least the last 50 or so I've downloaded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Last I checked ; all the music in the Zune Marketplace is DRM free .
At least the last 50 or so I 've downloaded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Last I checked; all the music in the Zune Marketplace is DRM free.
At least the last 50 or so I've downloaded.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28417777</id>
	<title>Re:F*ck DRM! F*ck it right in its stupidd a55!</title>
	<author>caladine</author>
	<datestamp>1245614280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DRM is the reason I won't be getting an e-reader, no matter how much I'd really like to get one.  I read my books often enough that if I don't get them in hard cover, I'll be buying another paperback of that book in a few years.  As much as I'd love to read my books and avoid killing more trees than I have to, I'm not about to buy an encumbered book on an encumbered e-reader.  Last thing I want is someone, somewhere to decide that I don't have access to a book I've purchased. When I hear about some of the "features" of Kindle (remote deletion) I want to scream.  What gives them the right to even <i>think</i> about doing such a thing?</p><p>Never mind the problems you'd end up with when upgrading from one e-reader to another, or if publisher goes out of business taking their DRM servers with them. I don't appreciate being treated like a criminal when I'm buying something legally.  I don't want a device with a built in "claw-back provision".</p><p>So, until that's dealt with, I definitely won't be getting one.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DRM is the reason I wo n't be getting an e-reader , no matter how much I 'd really like to get one .
I read my books often enough that if I do n't get them in hard cover , I 'll be buying another paperback of that book in a few years .
As much as I 'd love to read my books and avoid killing more trees than I have to , I 'm not about to buy an encumbered book on an encumbered e-reader .
Last thing I want is someone , somewhere to decide that I do n't have access to a book I 've purchased .
When I hear about some of the " features " of Kindle ( remote deletion ) I want to scream .
What gives them the right to even think about doing such a thing ? Never mind the problems you 'd end up with when upgrading from one e-reader to another , or if publisher goes out of business taking their DRM servers with them .
I do n't appreciate being treated like a criminal when I 'm buying something legally .
I do n't want a device with a built in " claw-back provision " .So , until that 's dealt with , I definitely wo n't be getting one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DRM is the reason I won't be getting an e-reader, no matter how much I'd really like to get one.
I read my books often enough that if I don't get them in hard cover, I'll be buying another paperback of that book in a few years.
As much as I'd love to read my books and avoid killing more trees than I have to, I'm not about to buy an encumbered book on an encumbered e-reader.
Last thing I want is someone, somewhere to decide that I don't have access to a book I've purchased.
When I hear about some of the "features" of Kindle (remote deletion) I want to scream.
What gives them the right to even think about doing such a thing?Never mind the problems you'd end up with when upgrading from one e-reader to another, or if publisher goes out of business taking their DRM servers with them.
I don't appreciate being treated like a criminal when I'm buying something legally.
I don't want a device with a built in "claw-back provision".So, until that's dealt with, I definitely won't be getting one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28414055</id>
	<title>Re:When Will the Average Consumer Learn?</title>
	<author>ljaguar</author>
	<datestamp>1245582660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The idea is almost zen. How to <b>screw</b> the user yet not screw the user?</p></div><p>very gently</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The idea is almost zen .
How to screw the user yet not screw the user ? very gently</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The idea is almost zen.
How to screw the user yet not screw the user?very gently
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413195</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413415</id>
	<title>Legal risk for the vendors if this keeps up</title>
	<author>davidwr</author>
	<datestamp>1245577620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Vendors who incorporate DRM and who rig it so the songs quit working when certain events happen will be in trouble with the law if they don't advertise this in advance, like "if you buy this song, you may have to buy it again if you upgrade your media device or if it breaks and is repaired."</p><p>Failure to do that is breach of implied contract:  You bought the music with the understanding it would work <i>at least</i> for the lifetime of the device on which it was originally installed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Vendors who incorporate DRM and who rig it so the songs quit working when certain events happen will be in trouble with the law if they do n't advertise this in advance , like " if you buy this song , you may have to buy it again if you upgrade your media device or if it breaks and is repaired .
" Failure to do that is breach of implied contract : You bought the music with the understanding it would work at least for the lifetime of the device on which it was originally installed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Vendors who incorporate DRM and who rig it so the songs quit working when certain events happen will be in trouble with the law if they don't advertise this in advance, like "if you buy this song, you may have to buy it again if you upgrade your media device or if it breaks and is repaired.
"Failure to do that is breach of implied contract:  You bought the music with the understanding it would work at least for the lifetime of the device on which it was originally installed.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28415455</id>
	<title>Re:F*ck DRM! F*ck it right in its stupidd a55!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245596040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well... 100 DVDs at say (rounding up) 10GB a DVD... that's around 1TB or so if you rip to ISO so you can enjoy the complete experience, including those annoying non-skippable previews for movies you're not interested in and anti-piracy adds.  But personally I'd recommend buying a few 1 or so TB hard-drives (for redundancy in case a drive decides to die on you) and having at 'em with a ripper.  Should take a week or two.  Display your backup DVDs with their purdy case art on a shelf somewhere for people to admire and use the mpegs on your mythbox when you want to watch the movies themselves.  Or at least that's what I've done with my DVD collection.</p><p>And yes I know it's technically illegal, but fuck it, I pay good money to legally purchase all of my music and movies in physical form, so I'll watch them wherever and however I damn well want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well... 100 DVDs at say ( rounding up ) 10GB a DVD... that 's around 1TB or so if you rip to ISO so you can enjoy the complete experience , including those annoying non-skippable previews for movies you 're not interested in and anti-piracy adds .
But personally I 'd recommend buying a few 1 or so TB hard-drives ( for redundancy in case a drive decides to die on you ) and having at 'em with a ripper .
Should take a week or two .
Display your backup DVDs with their purdy case art on a shelf somewhere for people to admire and use the mpegs on your mythbox when you want to watch the movies themselves .
Or at least that 's what I 've done with my DVD collection.And yes I know it 's technically illegal , but fuck it , I pay good money to legally purchase all of my music and movies in physical form , so I 'll watch them wherever and however I damn well want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well... 100 DVDs at say (rounding up) 10GB a DVD... that's around 1TB or so if you rip to ISO so you can enjoy the complete experience, including those annoying non-skippable previews for movies you're not interested in and anti-piracy adds.
But personally I'd recommend buying a few 1 or so TB hard-drives (for redundancy in case a drive decides to die on you) and having at 'em with a ripper.
Should take a week or two.
Display your backup DVDs with their purdy case art on a shelf somewhere for people to admire and use the mpegs on your mythbox when you want to watch the movies themselves.
Or at least that's what I've done with my DVD collection.And yes I know it's technically illegal, but fuck it, I pay good money to legally purchase all of my music and movies in physical form, so I'll watch them wherever and however I damn well want.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28421353</id>
	<title>is DRM justified?</title>
	<author>amoeba1911</author>
	<datestamp>1245682860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's just money wasted trying to enforce a failing business model... money that could be used to improve the business model, instead: it is money wasted.
If I had a great business, I would invest the profits into improving my business model to better serve my <b>customers</b>, not waste money trying to enforce a failing business model that has absolutely no benefit to my customers. Their customers at best don't care about DRM and at worst are annoyed by it. The people who don't pay for their content aren't your customers and they are not likely to become your customers even if you put annoying stuff all over your product.
<br>
This seems like common sense, but the big content distributors all fail at it because they are out of touch with their customers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's just money wasted trying to enforce a failing business model... money that could be used to improve the business model , instead : it is money wasted .
If I had a great business , I would invest the profits into improving my business model to better serve my customers , not waste money trying to enforce a failing business model that has absolutely no benefit to my customers .
Their customers at best do n't care about DRM and at worst are annoyed by it .
The people who do n't pay for their content are n't your customers and they are not likely to become your customers even if you put annoying stuff all over your product .
This seems like common sense , but the big content distributors all fail at it because they are out of touch with their customers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's just money wasted trying to enforce a failing business model... money that could be used to improve the business model, instead: it is money wasted.
If I had a great business, I would invest the profits into improving my business model to better serve my customers, not waste money trying to enforce a failing business model that has absolutely no benefit to my customers.
Their customers at best don't care about DRM and at worst are annoyed by it.
The people who don't pay for their content aren't your customers and they are not likely to become your customers even if you put annoying stuff all over your product.
This seems like common sense, but the big content distributors all fail at it because they are out of touch with their customers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413245</id>
	<title>DRM is not the solution</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1245576360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>For music, the DRM is all but gone.  That Zune still carries DRM proves that to MS the end user is never the customer.
<p>
The emerging problem is certainly books and video.  Niether of these is going to be trivial to convert to electronic format anytime soon, and the files don't seem be trivial to burn to an unprotected format either.  This means that video and books are still on the list, as music used to be, of only be useful as long as the files stay in good shape.  It is interesting that Amazon has chosen to take this one step further and limit it to a number of devices.  As the article states, since one is to upgrade often, and the files are owned by Amazon, this puts an effective lifetime on the books.  Where on can buy a hardback and refer to it for a lifetime, the Kindle will eventually break.
</p><p>
I think this is a good argument against most e-book readers.  The publishers are not going to fully support them, and unless there is special need, the consumer does not get the value.  Movies, are another issue, but pretty much I don't buy movies to download.  Better value with $5-10 dvd.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For music , the DRM is all but gone .
That Zune still carries DRM proves that to MS the end user is never the customer .
The emerging problem is certainly books and video .
Niether of these is going to be trivial to convert to electronic format anytime soon , and the files do n't seem be trivial to burn to an unprotected format either .
This means that video and books are still on the list , as music used to be , of only be useful as long as the files stay in good shape .
It is interesting that Amazon has chosen to take this one step further and limit it to a number of devices .
As the article states , since one is to upgrade often , and the files are owned by Amazon , this puts an effective lifetime on the books .
Where on can buy a hardback and refer to it for a lifetime , the Kindle will eventually break .
I think this is a good argument against most e-book readers .
The publishers are not going to fully support them , and unless there is special need , the consumer does not get the value .
Movies , are another issue , but pretty much I do n't buy movies to download .
Better value with $ 5-10 dvd .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For music, the DRM is all but gone.
That Zune still carries DRM proves that to MS the end user is never the customer.
The emerging problem is certainly books and video.
Niether of these is going to be trivial to convert to electronic format anytime soon, and the files don't seem be trivial to burn to an unprotected format either.
This means that video and books are still on the list, as music used to be, of only be useful as long as the files stay in good shape.
It is interesting that Amazon has chosen to take this one step further and limit it to a number of devices.
As the article states, since one is to upgrade often, and the files are owned by Amazon, this puts an effective lifetime on the books.
Where on can buy a hardback and refer to it for a lifetime, the Kindle will eventually break.
I think this is a good argument against most e-book readers.
The publishers are not going to fully support them, and unless there is special need, the consumer does not get the value.
Movies, are another issue, but pretty much I don't buy movies to download.
Better value with $5-10 dvd.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28432185</id>
	<title>Their end of the bargain</title>
	<author>psydeshow</author>
	<datestamp>1245677460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't mind the Kindle DRM for three reasons</p><p>1) I don't usually re-read books. Not sure why, but I don't. Maybe when I turn 50 this will change, but in 10 years this will all look very different anyway.</p><p>2) The convenience and time savings of Amazon's "store" is worth the devaluation of the product caused by the DRM. I'm paying up to $8 per book not to have to go to Barnes and Noble, and I'm okay with that. I get new books the day they come out. I'm saving ink, paper, boxes, and fuel, not to mention space in my apartment and the municipal landfill.</p><p>3) I honestly think it will be broken before it becomes a pain in the ass.</p><p>But I'm extremely disturbed by hidden download limits. They clearly stated that they would keep your purchases on their servers so that you could restore them to the device at any time. Devices crash, break, get stolen, and get upgraded. The ability to always go back to Amazon for a fresh copy is a great feature, and one that really helps offset the value removed by DRM \_at very little extra charge to Amazon\_.</p><p>That's what doesn't add up: why would they risk lawsuits and alienate their core customers over something which costs them virtually nothing?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't mind the Kindle DRM for three reasons1 ) I do n't usually re-read books .
Not sure why , but I do n't .
Maybe when I turn 50 this will change , but in 10 years this will all look very different anyway.2 ) The convenience and time savings of Amazon 's " store " is worth the devaluation of the product caused by the DRM .
I 'm paying up to $ 8 per book not to have to go to Barnes and Noble , and I 'm okay with that .
I get new books the day they come out .
I 'm saving ink , paper , boxes , and fuel , not to mention space in my apartment and the municipal landfill.3 ) I honestly think it will be broken before it becomes a pain in the ass.But I 'm extremely disturbed by hidden download limits .
They clearly stated that they would keep your purchases on their servers so that you could restore them to the device at any time .
Devices crash , break , get stolen , and get upgraded .
The ability to always go back to Amazon for a fresh copy is a great feature , and one that really helps offset the value removed by DRM \ _at very little extra charge to Amazon \ _.That 's what does n't add up : why would they risk lawsuits and alienate their core customers over something which costs them virtually nothing ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't mind the Kindle DRM for three reasons1) I don't usually re-read books.
Not sure why, but I don't.
Maybe when I turn 50 this will change, but in 10 years this will all look very different anyway.2) The convenience and time savings of Amazon's "store" is worth the devaluation of the product caused by the DRM.
I'm paying up to $8 per book not to have to go to Barnes and Noble, and I'm okay with that.
I get new books the day they come out.
I'm saving ink, paper, boxes, and fuel, not to mention space in my apartment and the municipal landfill.3) I honestly think it will be broken before it becomes a pain in the ass.But I'm extremely disturbed by hidden download limits.
They clearly stated that they would keep your purchases on their servers so that you could restore them to the device at any time.
Devices crash, break, get stolen, and get upgraded.
The ability to always go back to Amazon for a fresh copy is a great feature, and one that really helps offset the value removed by DRM \_at very little extra charge to Amazon\_.That's what doesn't add up: why would they risk lawsuits and alienate their core customers over something which costs them virtually nothing?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413171</id>
	<title>When Will the Average Consumer Learn?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245575700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>DRM has not been implemented correctly to date.  While you might hope that your iTunes or Kindle--being a popular product--will have flawless DRM that will not inhibit you, this is simply not the case.  It's always just a time bomb waiting to go off in your face.  <br> <br>

If you gotta buy digital books or music, don't fall for any DRM scheme.  Here's an example that even the biggest digital retailers can't get it right.  I await a flawless DRM that will work on multiple pieces of hardware--hardware that I choose!  I fear I will be waiting for quite some time<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... <br> <br>

And please, I'm sick of responses to my posts with some snide remark that you don't have DRM and yours is free with a link to the Pirate Bay.  It's getting old.  I want to support the content providers but I don't want to give up or inhibit my rights to access that content.</htmltext>
<tokenext>DRM has not been implemented correctly to date .
While you might hope that your iTunes or Kindle--being a popular product--will have flawless DRM that will not inhibit you , this is simply not the case .
It 's always just a time bomb waiting to go off in your face .
If you got ta buy digital books or music , do n't fall for any DRM scheme .
Here 's an example that even the biggest digital retailers ca n't get it right .
I await a flawless DRM that will work on multiple pieces of hardware--hardware that I choose !
I fear I will be waiting for quite some time .. . And please , I 'm sick of responses to my posts with some snide remark that you do n't have DRM and yours is free with a link to the Pirate Bay .
It 's getting old .
I want to support the content providers but I do n't want to give up or inhibit my rights to access that content .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DRM has not been implemented correctly to date.
While you might hope that your iTunes or Kindle--being a popular product--will have flawless DRM that will not inhibit you, this is simply not the case.
It's always just a time bomb waiting to go off in your face.
If you gotta buy digital books or music, don't fall for any DRM scheme.
Here's an example that even the biggest digital retailers can't get it right.
I await a flawless DRM that will work on multiple pieces of hardware--hardware that I choose!
I fear I will be waiting for quite some time ...  

And please, I'm sick of responses to my posts with some snide remark that you don't have DRM and yours is free with a link to the Pirate Bay.
It's getting old.
I want to support the content providers but I don't want to give up or inhibit my rights to access that content.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28415437</id>
	<title>Re:DRM is not the solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245595680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most of the Zune marketplace music for purchase is already DRM free...and they're moving in the direction of being all DRM free- when the labels will finally allow it.  DRM makes little sense on purchased music...it doesn't seem to stop the pirates and it annoys most if not all legitimate customers.<br>Of course the subscription plan files are still 100\% DRM'd...but you get to download 10 per month to keep...and those are mostly DRM free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most of the Zune marketplace music for purchase is already DRM free...and they 're moving in the direction of being all DRM free- when the labels will finally allow it .
DRM makes little sense on purchased music...it does n't seem to stop the pirates and it annoys most if not all legitimate customers.Of course the subscription plan files are still 100 \ % DRM 'd...but you get to download 10 per month to keep...and those are mostly DRM free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most of the Zune marketplace music for purchase is already DRM free...and they're moving in the direction of being all DRM free- when the labels will finally allow it.
DRM makes little sense on purchased music...it doesn't seem to stop the pirates and it annoys most if not all legitimate customers.Of course the subscription plan files are still 100\% DRM'd...but you get to download 10 per month to keep...and those are mostly DRM free.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28415047</id>
	<title>Download limits are real and near criminal imo</title>
	<author>fooslacker</author>
	<datestamp>1245591660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The download restrictions are very real and IMO near criminal since the device wasn't sold to me as a single download device.  In fact it was sold as "amazon will keep copies so you can always access books you own" so imagine my surprise...
<br> <br>
I have a book that I bought and downloaded to my Kindle and moved back and forth to the archive storage at amazon then back to the Kindle (due to problems with the original download..I mention this to be complete but I have no idea if this affected the DRM).  I then attempted to access it on my iPhone while waiting at the doctor's office to pass the time and was informed that I had exceeded the download limit and if I wanted to continue to read it I would have to purchase it again.  Additionally for this book Text-to-Speech is disabled which is a feature I use when I work out.
<br> <br>
The book in question is <i>House of Cards: A Tale of Hubris and Wretched Excess on Wall Street</i> by William D Cohen.  It is published by Doubleday.  I won't be buying any more of Mr. Cohen's books or those published by Doubleday unless I can confirm that these limits do not exist on future purchases.  Additionally despite the fact that the the Kindle is my single favorite gadget I own, this single incident kept me from purchasing the DX (which I wanted for PDF support) due to the fact I knew that the idiotic DRM policies of various publishers would make it impossible for me to seamlessly transfer texts between the two devices and the whole point of owning a Kindle for me is to travel light.  Fix it Amazon or you will lose at least one customer.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The download restrictions are very real and IMO near criminal since the device was n't sold to me as a single download device .
In fact it was sold as " amazon will keep copies so you can always access books you own " so imagine my surprise.. . I have a book that I bought and downloaded to my Kindle and moved back and forth to the archive storage at amazon then back to the Kindle ( due to problems with the original download..I mention this to be complete but I have no idea if this affected the DRM ) .
I then attempted to access it on my iPhone while waiting at the doctor 's office to pass the time and was informed that I had exceeded the download limit and if I wanted to continue to read it I would have to purchase it again .
Additionally for this book Text-to-Speech is disabled which is a feature I use when I work out .
The book in question is House of Cards : A Tale of Hubris and Wretched Excess on Wall Street by William D Cohen .
It is published by Doubleday .
I wo n't be buying any more of Mr. Cohen 's books or those published by Doubleday unless I can confirm that these limits do not exist on future purchases .
Additionally despite the fact that the the Kindle is my single favorite gadget I own , this single incident kept me from purchasing the DX ( which I wanted for PDF support ) due to the fact I knew that the idiotic DRM policies of various publishers would make it impossible for me to seamlessly transfer texts between the two devices and the whole point of owning a Kindle for me is to travel light .
Fix it Amazon or you will lose at least one customer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The download restrictions are very real and IMO near criminal since the device wasn't sold to me as a single download device.
In fact it was sold as "amazon will keep copies so you can always access books you own" so imagine my surprise...
 
I have a book that I bought and downloaded to my Kindle and moved back and forth to the archive storage at amazon then back to the Kindle (due to problems with the original download..I mention this to be complete but I have no idea if this affected the DRM).
I then attempted to access it on my iPhone while waiting at the doctor's office to pass the time and was informed that I had exceeded the download limit and if I wanted to continue to read it I would have to purchase it again.
Additionally for this book Text-to-Speech is disabled which is a feature I use when I work out.
The book in question is House of Cards: A Tale of Hubris and Wretched Excess on Wall Street by William D Cohen.
It is published by Doubleday.
I won't be buying any more of Mr. Cohen's books or those published by Doubleday unless I can confirm that these limits do not exist on future purchases.
Additionally despite the fact that the the Kindle is my single favorite gadget I own, this single incident kept me from purchasing the DX (which I wanted for PDF support) due to the fact I knew that the idiotic DRM policies of various publishers would make it impossible for me to seamlessly transfer texts between the two devices and the whole point of owning a Kindle for me is to travel light.
Fix it Amazon or you will lose at least one customer.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28417781</id>
	<title>Re:When Will the Average Consumer Learn?</title>
	<author>I cant believe its n</author>
	<datestamp>1245614340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><blockquote><div><p>DRM has not been implemented correctly to date.</p></div></blockquote><p>
The idea is almost zen. How to screw the user yet not screw the user?</p></div><p>"A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?"</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>DRM has not been implemented correctly to date .
The idea is almost zen .
How to screw the user yet not screw the user ?
" A strange game .
The only winning move is not to play .
How about a nice game of chess ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DRM has not been implemented correctly to date.
The idea is almost zen.
How to screw the user yet not screw the user?
"A strange game.
The only winning move is not to play.
How about a nice game of chess?
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413265</id>
	<title>And the lesson, children, is...</title>
	<author>demonlapin</author>
	<datestamp>1245576420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Always be sure that, if you buy DRMed content, there is a crack for it out there. Strip the DRM as soon as you buy it. Problem solved.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Always be sure that , if you buy DRMed content , there is a crack for it out there .
Strip the DRM as soon as you buy it .
Problem solved .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Always be sure that, if you buy DRMed content, there is a crack for it out there.
Strip the DRM as soon as you buy it.
Problem solved.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413851</id>
	<title>Re:Don't by DRM protected media...</title>
	<author>influenza</author>
	<datestamp>1245581040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think the point of complaining about DRM to is raise awareness about the issue amongst people who don't yet understand the ramifications.  And complaining is pretty fun... this is Slashdot after all.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think the point of complaining about DRM to is raise awareness about the issue amongst people who do n't yet understand the ramifications .
And complaining is pretty fun... this is Slashdot after all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think the point of complaining about DRM to is raise awareness about the issue amongst people who don't yet understand the ramifications.
And complaining is pretty fun... this is Slashdot after all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28415073</id>
	<title>Avoid DRM</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245591960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I avoid DRM media because of the simple fact that it interferes more with my ability to enjoy my legally purchased rights to the media than it stops pirates. Corps just don't get it - DRM doesn't stop pirates. DRM does lose them sales because it turns off users.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I avoid DRM media because of the simple fact that it interferes more with my ability to enjoy my legally purchased rights to the media than it stops pirates .
Corps just do n't get it - DRM does n't stop pirates .
DRM does lose them sales because it turns off users .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I avoid DRM media because of the simple fact that it interferes more with my ability to enjoy my legally purchased rights to the media than it stops pirates.
Corps just don't get it - DRM doesn't stop pirates.
DRM does lose them sales because it turns off users.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28416701</id>
	<title>Re:When Will the Average Consumer Learn?</title>
	<author>Nazlfrag</author>
	<datestamp>1245605100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Squirt them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Squirt them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Squirt them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413551</id>
	<title>P.T.Barnum wrote about them</title>
	<author>heretic108</author>
	<datestamp>1245578520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to P.T.Barnum, there's a 'sucker born every minute'. He goes on to say that one should 'never give a sucker an even break'.</p><p>To those who actually pay out money for DRM-encumbered media... "Come in, Sir! Welcome, Madam! There's this bridge spanning Sydney Harbour, priced way beneath its value, that you may be interested in buying shares in!"</p><p>Personally, I try to acquire my media files - ebooks, music and video - for free. If I can't get them for free, I'm sometimes willing to pay for them. But the only way I'll even <i> <b>think</b> </i> about paying is if I'll be ending up with cleartext files. Hell will freeze over before I'll put down hard money in return for some encrypted copy of a media file. WTF are consumers thinking?!?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to P.T.Barnum , there 's a 'sucker born every minute' .
He goes on to say that one should 'never give a sucker an even break'.To those who actually pay out money for DRM-encumbered media... " Come in , Sir !
Welcome , Madam !
There 's this bridge spanning Sydney Harbour , priced way beneath its value , that you may be interested in buying shares in !
" Personally , I try to acquire my media files - ebooks , music and video - for free .
If I ca n't get them for free , I 'm sometimes willing to pay for them .
But the only way I 'll even think about paying is if I 'll be ending up with cleartext files .
Hell will freeze over before I 'll put down hard money in return for some encrypted copy of a media file .
WTF are consumers thinking ? !
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to P.T.Barnum, there's a 'sucker born every minute'.
He goes on to say that one should 'never give a sucker an even break'.To those who actually pay out money for DRM-encumbered media... "Come in, Sir!
Welcome, Madam!
There's this bridge spanning Sydney Harbour, priced way beneath its value, that you may be interested in buying shares in!
"Personally, I try to acquire my media files - ebooks, music and video - for free.
If I can't get them for free, I'm sometimes willing to pay for them.
But the only way I'll even  think  about paying is if I'll be ending up with cleartext files.
Hell will freeze over before I'll put down hard money in return for some encrypted copy of a media file.
WTF are consumers thinking?!
?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28414575</id>
	<title>Re:DRM is not the solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245587340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The end user is never the customer; similarly, the Zune is not the product.<br>With Apple the iPod is the product and the ITMS and the online music support the iPod sales. The customer is the public.<br>With Microsoft the product is the DRM and the Zune and the Zune Store support the DRM sales. The customer is the music industry (or the ebook industry in the case of the kindle et al).<br>The Zune doesn't have to make money. It doesn't even have to sell well. It just has to exist so that Microsoft is in touch with the music industry, its DRM customers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The end user is never the customer ; similarly , the Zune is not the product.With Apple the iPod is the product and the ITMS and the online music support the iPod sales .
The customer is the public.With Microsoft the product is the DRM and the Zune and the Zune Store support the DRM sales .
The customer is the music industry ( or the ebook industry in the case of the kindle et al ) .The Zune does n't have to make money .
It does n't even have to sell well .
It just has to exist so that Microsoft is in touch with the music industry , its DRM customers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The end user is never the customer; similarly, the Zune is not the product.With Apple the iPod is the product and the ITMS and the online music support the iPod sales.
The customer is the public.With Microsoft the product is the DRM and the Zune and the Zune Store support the DRM sales.
The customer is the music industry (or the ebook industry in the case of the kindle et al).The Zune doesn't have to make money.
It doesn't even have to sell well.
It just has to exist so that Microsoft is in touch with the music industry, its DRM customers.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413245</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413703</id>
	<title>Re:F*ck DRM! F*ck it right in its stupidd a55!</title>
	<author>z4ckpete</author>
	<datestamp>1245579720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>DVD Decrypter &gt;&gt; VOBBlanker (to remove the stupid FBI Warnings and stuff) &gt;&gt; DVDShrink (To Shrink the rest to 4.4Gb)
I've done about 70 DVDs this way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>DVD Decrypter &gt; &gt; VOBBlanker ( to remove the stupid FBI Warnings and stuff ) &gt; &gt; DVDShrink ( To Shrink the rest to 4.4Gb ) I 've done about 70 DVDs this way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DVD Decrypter &gt;&gt; VOBBlanker (to remove the stupid FBI Warnings and stuff) &gt;&gt; DVDShrink (To Shrink the rest to 4.4Gb)
I've done about 70 DVDs this way.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413347</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28425065</id>
	<title>Suckers</title>
	<author>Un pobre guey</author>
	<datestamp>1245695400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm so cool! I'm so fashionable! I'm so hip! I'm so tech savvy! I don't buy those overpriced stone age CDs. Who needs to have their music on a permanent physical backup that can potentially last for decades and that can be ripped as many times as I need to as many devices as I buy? That's for Luddites and old farts.
<br>
<br>
I prefer the ultracoolness of buying everything online with proprietary DRM that limits how many times I can download and to what devices, and that can disappear at any moment leaving me with megabytes of encrypted junk.
<br>
<br>
Wanna see my cool tatts?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm so cool !
I 'm so fashionable !
I 'm so hip !
I 'm so tech savvy !
I do n't buy those overpriced stone age CDs .
Who needs to have their music on a permanent physical backup that can potentially last for decades and that can be ripped as many times as I need to as many devices as I buy ?
That 's for Luddites and old farts .
I prefer the ultracoolness of buying everything online with proprietary DRM that limits how many times I can download and to what devices , and that can disappear at any moment leaving me with megabytes of encrypted junk .
Wan na see my cool tatts ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm so cool!
I'm so fashionable!
I'm so hip!
I'm so tech savvy!
I don't buy those overpriced stone age CDs.
Who needs to have their music on a permanent physical backup that can potentially last for decades and that can be ripped as many times as I need to as many devices as I buy?
That's for Luddites and old farts.
I prefer the ultracoolness of buying everything online with proprietary DRM that limits how many times I can download and to what devices, and that can disappear at any moment leaving me with megabytes of encrypted junk.
Wanna see my cool tatts?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413455</id>
	<title>Geez, at 80K per tune, its a tough sell......</title>
	<author>Bob\_Who</author>
	<datestamp>1245577860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I guess a crappy DRM ripoff is a better deal than $80,000.00 per download with no DRM.....but not much better.  You would think that Microsoft was capable of real innovation, but no.... Once you've got lots of shareholders its all about squeezing every dollar out of a weary market, even if its not a very good experience for anyone.  I see DRM as the result of greed mixed with technology and music.  Too bad they can't just sell us blank tapes like 20 years ago when copyright infringement was a charge placed against someone who mas produced and SOLD the material, not customers who copied a CD for their car stereo.  Hopefully this nonsense will find a balance...once the beast has been adequately fed with our $$, I suppose.  D R M = Demand Royalty Money.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I guess a crappy DRM ripoff is a better deal than $ 80,000.00 per download with no DRM.....but not much better .
You would think that Microsoft was capable of real innovation , but no.... Once you 've got lots of shareholders its all about squeezing every dollar out of a weary market , even if its not a very good experience for anyone .
I see DRM as the result of greed mixed with technology and music .
Too bad they ca n't just sell us blank tapes like 20 years ago when copyright infringement was a charge placed against someone who mas produced and SOLD the material , not customers who copied a CD for their car stereo .
Hopefully this nonsense will find a balance...once the beast has been adequately fed with our $ $ , I suppose .
D R M = Demand Royalty Money .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I guess a crappy DRM ripoff is a better deal than $80,000.00 per download with no DRM.....but not much better.
You would think that Microsoft was capable of real innovation, but no.... Once you've got lots of shareholders its all about squeezing every dollar out of a weary market, even if its not a very good experience for anyone.
I see DRM as the result of greed mixed with technology and music.
Too bad they can't just sell us blank tapes like 20 years ago when copyright infringement was a charge placed against someone who mas produced and SOLD the material, not customers who copied a CD for their car stereo.
Hopefully this nonsense will find a balance...once the beast has been adequately fed with our $$, I suppose.
D R M = Demand Royalty Money.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28415097</id>
	<title>Re:DRM is not the solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245592260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Zune's catalog is virtually DRM-free for purchased songs. If you download subscription music, it's DRMed so it only works until you stop paying, which makes sense.</p><p>DRM for rentals (Zune subscription, Netflix, Amazon On Demand rentals, etc) seems reasonable to me. It's when they try to DRM "purchases" that I get angry.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Zune 's catalog is virtually DRM-free for purchased songs .
If you download subscription music , it 's DRMed so it only works until you stop paying , which makes sense.DRM for rentals ( Zune subscription , Netflix , Amazon On Demand rentals , etc ) seems reasonable to me .
It 's when they try to DRM " purchases " that I get angry .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Zune's catalog is virtually DRM-free for purchased songs.
If you download subscription music, it's DRMed so it only works until you stop paying, which makes sense.DRM for rentals (Zune subscription, Netflix, Amazon On Demand rentals, etc) seems reasonable to me.
It's when they try to DRM "purchases" that I get angry.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413245</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28417059</id>
	<title>Re:DRM is not the solution</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245607980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"For music, the DRM is all but gone"</p><p>really??? where did you find a place to legally get all your music? everything I can find is still infested with DRM from ITunes to Zune and all the online providers that have a decent library also still use it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" For music , the DRM is all but gone " really ? ? ?
where did you find a place to legally get all your music ?
everything I can find is still infested with DRM from ITunes to Zune and all the online providers that have a decent library also still use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"For music, the DRM is all but gone"really???
where did you find a place to legally get all your music?
everything I can find is still infested with DRM from ITunes to Zune and all the online providers that have a decent library also still use it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413245</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413695</id>
	<title>I've given the record biz so much damn money...</title>
	<author>DreadfulGrape</author>
	<datestamp>1245579720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...over the years, thousands upon thousands of dollars for CDs, LPs, cassettes and even 8-tracks, for God's sake (yes, I'm old).  My feeling is (as someone else expressed above) if I bought it once, I can download it as often as I like.  I have no idea how close or far away that is from "the law" or fair use, etc.  But I really don't care.</p><p>In fact, for most of my older favorites over the years I've bought both the LP and CD versions.  In which case I really, really don't lose any sleep over downloading a clandestine MP3, FLC, SHN or WAV version of the same.</p><p>RIAA?  Come and get me, f*ckers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...over the years , thousands upon thousands of dollars for CDs , LPs , cassettes and even 8-tracks , for God 's sake ( yes , I 'm old ) .
My feeling is ( as someone else expressed above ) if I bought it once , I can download it as often as I like .
I have no idea how close or far away that is from " the law " or fair use , etc .
But I really do n't care.In fact , for most of my older favorites over the years I 've bought both the LP and CD versions .
In which case I really , really do n't lose any sleep over downloading a clandestine MP3 , FLC , SHN or WAV version of the same.RIAA ?
Come and get me , f * ckers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...over the years, thousands upon thousands of dollars for CDs, LPs, cassettes and even 8-tracks, for God's sake (yes, I'm old).
My feeling is (as someone else expressed above) if I bought it once, I can download it as often as I like.
I have no idea how close or far away that is from "the law" or fair use, etc.
But I really don't care.In fact, for most of my older favorites over the years I've bought both the LP and CD versions.
In which case I really, really don't lose any sleep over downloading a clandestine MP3, FLC, SHN or WAV version of the same.RIAA?
Come and get me, f*ckers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413263</id>
	<title>Don't by DRM protected media...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245576420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To those complaining. Do NOT buy DRM media.<br>Every time you pay for an item you support DRM.</p><p>And when things go awry, you come here complaining?!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To those complaining .
Do NOT buy DRM media.Every time you pay for an item you support DRM.And when things go awry , you come here complaining ?
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To those complaining.
Do NOT buy DRM media.Every time you pay for an item you support DRM.And when things go awry, you come here complaining?
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413277</id>
	<title>F*ck DRM!  F*ck it right in its stupidd a55!</title>
	<author>jtownatpunk.net</author>
	<datestamp>1245576480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The first thing I do when I download media with DRM these days is strip the DRM.  If I can't figure out how to strip it before I lay down my money, I pass.  DRM does nothing to enhance my experience and can only serve to detract from my experience.</p><p>Back 7 or 8 years ago, when ebooks were making their first surge, I bought about $50 worth from various vendors and didn't strip the DRM.  It was a bit of an experiment to see how it would turn out.  One of the vendors shut down just weeks after I made my purchase.  I hadn't even activated one of the titles yet so it was a total loss.  The other one was only readable as long as that computer lived.  Same happened with the rest of the titles eventually.  So $50 worth of ebooks I purchased just a few years ago are gone forever.  Meanwhile, paperbacks I purchased when I was a kid still work just as well as the day I bought them.  Nevermind the hassle of keeping track of each vendor's authentication system and the crap-ton of different software packages I had to install to handle all of those methods.</p><p>The funny thing is this isn't even the first time a major online music "seller" has screwed people by revoking access to purchased media.  Wasn't it just a few years ago that some big seller shut down or changed their authentication system and the users got a big FU for all of their lost music?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first thing I do when I download media with DRM these days is strip the DRM .
If I ca n't figure out how to strip it before I lay down my money , I pass .
DRM does nothing to enhance my experience and can only serve to detract from my experience.Back 7 or 8 years ago , when ebooks were making their first surge , I bought about $ 50 worth from various vendors and did n't strip the DRM .
It was a bit of an experiment to see how it would turn out .
One of the vendors shut down just weeks after I made my purchase .
I had n't even activated one of the titles yet so it was a total loss .
The other one was only readable as long as that computer lived .
Same happened with the rest of the titles eventually .
So $ 50 worth of ebooks I purchased just a few years ago are gone forever .
Meanwhile , paperbacks I purchased when I was a kid still work just as well as the day I bought them .
Nevermind the hassle of keeping track of each vendor 's authentication system and the crap-ton of different software packages I had to install to handle all of those methods.The funny thing is this is n't even the first time a major online music " seller " has screwed people by revoking access to purchased media .
Was n't it just a few years ago that some big seller shut down or changed their authentication system and the users got a big FU for all of their lost music ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first thing I do when I download media with DRM these days is strip the DRM.
If I can't figure out how to strip it before I lay down my money, I pass.
DRM does nothing to enhance my experience and can only serve to detract from my experience.Back 7 or 8 years ago, when ebooks were making their first surge, I bought about $50 worth from various vendors and didn't strip the DRM.
It was a bit of an experiment to see how it would turn out.
One of the vendors shut down just weeks after I made my purchase.
I hadn't even activated one of the titles yet so it was a total loss.
The other one was only readable as long as that computer lived.
Same happened with the rest of the titles eventually.
So $50 worth of ebooks I purchased just a few years ago are gone forever.
Meanwhile, paperbacks I purchased when I was a kid still work just as well as the day I bought them.
Nevermind the hassle of keeping track of each vendor's authentication system and the crap-ton of different software packages I had to install to handle all of those methods.The funny thing is this isn't even the first time a major online music "seller" has screwed people by revoking access to purchased media.
Wasn't it just a few years ago that some big seller shut down or changed their authentication system and the users got a big FU for all of their lost music?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28420087</id>
	<title>Re:Don't by DRM protected media...</title>
	<author>dukeofgaming</author>
	<datestamp>1245677280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The DRM we know and hate tries to obliterate fair use through unfair restrictions.
<br> <br>
Steam is a platform where you often get your fair use (downloading your own games all the times you want and being able to backup them using Steam itself), fair restriction (i.e. only being able to use the game through my account)... and very very often, added value.
<br> <br>
Steam is DRM how it should be, it just constraints the use of the stuff I buy to me, however I want to use it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The DRM we know and hate tries to obliterate fair use through unfair restrictions .
Steam is a platform where you often get your fair use ( downloading your own games all the times you want and being able to backup them using Steam itself ) , fair restriction ( i.e .
only being able to use the game through my account ) ... and very very often , added value .
Steam is DRM how it should be , it just constraints the use of the stuff I buy to me , however I want to use it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The DRM we know and hate tries to obliterate fair use through unfair restrictions.
Steam is a platform where you often get your fair use (downloading your own games all the times you want and being able to backup them using Steam itself), fair restriction (i.e.
only being able to use the game through my account)... and very very often, added value.
Steam is DRM how it should be, it just constraints the use of the stuff I buy to me, however I want to use it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413717</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28416659</id>
	<title>Re:The Error Is Informative</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245604920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and if you let the suits and their 'desktop interface design specialists' write all the prompts, you get dozens of useless 'wizards' and dozens of 'are you sure your mom said it was ok to install this plugin' dialogs that confuse even more..</p><p>sometimes the stupids are the ones who need to step up to the plate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and if you let the suits and their 'desktop interface design specialists ' write all the prompts , you get dozens of useless 'wizards ' and dozens of 'are you sure your mom said it was ok to install this plugin ' dialogs that confuse even more..sometimes the stupids are the ones who need to step up to the plate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and if you let the suits and their 'desktop interface design specialists' write all the prompts, you get dozens of useless 'wizards' and dozens of 'are you sure your mom said it was ok to install this plugin' dialogs that confuse even more..sometimes the stupids are the ones who need to step up to the plate.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413907</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28417775</id>
	<title>Re:Here we go again...</title>
	<author>Rjak</author>
	<datestamp>1245614280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not the computer.  The computer is fine<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I'm on a filesystem driver project right now and trust me, my hardware is solid.</p><p>Oh<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... and my filesystem will NOT become completely unfunctional for a day, like all Zunes worldwide did this past New Years Day.</p><p>BTW<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>./ is a submission system.  I submitted the story and it was voted up.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>./ doesn't "troll Facebook" for material.</p><p>And yes<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... I blame Microsoft for stealing my money.  Who else would I blame?  You?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not the computer .
The computer is fine ... I 'm on a filesystem driver project right now and trust me , my hardware is solid.Oh ... and my filesystem will NOT become completely unfunctional for a day , like all Zunes worldwide did this past New Years Day.BTW ... ./ is a submission system .
I submitted the story and it was voted up .
./ does n't " troll Facebook " for material.And yes ... I blame Microsoft for stealing my money .
Who else would I blame ?
You ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not the computer.
The computer is fine ... I'm on a filesystem driver project right now and trust me, my hardware is solid.Oh ... and my filesystem will NOT become completely unfunctional for a day, like all Zunes worldwide did this past New Years Day.BTW ... ./ is a submission system.
I submitted the story and it was voted up.
./ doesn't "troll Facebook" for material.And yes ... I blame Microsoft for stealing my money.
Who else would I blame?
You?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413867</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28415553</id>
	<title>Zune Pass Subscriptio v. Zune Marketplace Purchase</title>
	<author>Scottitude</author>
	<datestamp>1245597000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>To clarify things just a bit, a ZunePass subscription allows you to DL music to be played on your PC and synced to your Zune. It's not a purchase, it's basically leasing the rights to listen to it. If and when a record label renegotiates its licensing contract with MS/ZM, they may or may not renew the license for music that some may have "leased" through the subscription service.
<br>
<br>
If you actually purchase music or videos through Zune Marketplace instead of DL-ing subscription content, you own the content and there is no DRM. You can listen to it, burn it to discs, and, for those of you so inclined, upload it to your favorite illegal sharing service with no hassles.
<br>
<br>
If you fail to backup your music library and want to re-DL previously purchased tracks (which sounds like Rjak's problem) you will indeed need to buy the tracks again.
<br>
<br>
If you understand the difference between a subscription and a purchase and back-up your files, you'll never have a problem with Zune MarketPlace.
<br>
<br>
As for the software being buggy, the biggest factor in load times relates to how many available resources your PC has. My Zune software loads in about 15 seconds.
<br>
<br>
Don't get me wrong, DRM sucks, but so do people that don't bother to understand a system and then blame said system for their ignorance.</htmltext>
<tokenext>To clarify things just a bit , a ZunePass subscription allows you to DL music to be played on your PC and synced to your Zune .
It 's not a purchase , it 's basically leasing the rights to listen to it .
If and when a record label renegotiates its licensing contract with MS/ZM , they may or may not renew the license for music that some may have " leased " through the subscription service .
If you actually purchase music or videos through Zune Marketplace instead of DL-ing subscription content , you own the content and there is no DRM .
You can listen to it , burn it to discs , and , for those of you so inclined , upload it to your favorite illegal sharing service with no hassles .
If you fail to backup your music library and want to re-DL previously purchased tracks ( which sounds like Rjak 's problem ) you will indeed need to buy the tracks again .
If you understand the difference between a subscription and a purchase and back-up your files , you 'll never have a problem with Zune MarketPlace .
As for the software being buggy , the biggest factor in load times relates to how many available resources your PC has .
My Zune software loads in about 15 seconds .
Do n't get me wrong , DRM sucks , but so do people that do n't bother to understand a system and then blame said system for their ignorance .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To clarify things just a bit, a ZunePass subscription allows you to DL music to be played on your PC and synced to your Zune.
It's not a purchase, it's basically leasing the rights to listen to it.
If and when a record label renegotiates its licensing contract with MS/ZM, they may or may not renew the license for music that some may have "leased" through the subscription service.
If you actually purchase music or videos through Zune Marketplace instead of DL-ing subscription content, you own the content and there is no DRM.
You can listen to it, burn it to discs, and, for those of you so inclined, upload it to your favorite illegal sharing service with no hassles.
If you fail to backup your music library and want to re-DL previously purchased tracks (which sounds like Rjak's problem) you will indeed need to buy the tracks again.
If you understand the difference between a subscription and a purchase and back-up your files, you'll never have a problem with Zune MarketPlace.
As for the software being buggy, the biggest factor in load times relates to how many available resources your PC has.
My Zune software loads in about 15 seconds.
Don't get me wrong, DRM sucks, but so do people that don't bother to understand a system and then blame said system for their ignorance.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413513</id>
	<title>Re:F*ck DRM! F*ck it right in its stupidd a55!</title>
	<author>TheSpoom</author>
	<datestamp>1245578340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Welcome to Slashdot.  We don't censor here (ahem: shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker tits), so self-censoring just, well, makes your title look stupid.  No offence intended.</p><p>Also, there's a solution to your problem: Don't buy anything that has DRM.  I don't, and I do quite well.  CDs are still sold, you know, and so are books.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Welcome to Slashdot .
We do n't censor here ( ahem : shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker tits ) , so self-censoring just , well , makes your title look stupid .
No offence intended.Also , there 's a solution to your problem : Do n't buy anything that has DRM .
I do n't , and I do quite well .
CDs are still sold , you know , and so are books .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Welcome to Slashdot.
We don't censor here (ahem: shit piss fuck cunt cocksucker motherfucker tits), so self-censoring just, well, makes your title look stupid.
No offence intended.Also, there's a solution to your problem: Don't buy anything that has DRM.
I don't, and I do quite well.
CDs are still sold, you know, and so are books.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28417465</id>
	<title>Idiot</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245611820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All I have to say is if you are so stupid as to buy a product made by a company that consistently and relentlessly screws you over you deserve what you get. I have zero sympathy here. As much as I hate Microsoft I would have much more sympathy for someone who bought a Zune who didn't understand the implications- that the underlying problem is Microsoft/Apple/Sony greed.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All I have to say is if you are so stupid as to buy a product made by a company that consistently and relentlessly screws you over you deserve what you get .
I have zero sympathy here .
As much as I hate Microsoft I would have much more sympathy for someone who bought a Zune who did n't understand the implications- that the underlying problem is Microsoft/Apple/Sony greed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All I have to say is if you are so stupid as to buy a product made by a company that consistently and relentlessly screws you over you deserve what you get.
I have zero sympathy here.
As much as I hate Microsoft I would have much more sympathy for someone who bought a Zune who didn't understand the implications- that the underlying problem is Microsoft/Apple/Sony greed.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413353</id>
	<title>Re:F*ck DRM! F*ck it right in its stupidd a55!</title>
	<author>Sirusjr</author>
	<datestamp>1245577140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>This is the same reason why I buy all my music in CD format and all my games in Disc format.  I am already into some Niche genres as it is (Movie scores, euro-style power metal, heavy metal, Japanese-Pop; and on the game side JRPGS) so what is to stop these companies from removing the Niche stuff from their services because they don't think very many consumers are going to miss them?  Sadly one of my cds I picked up used was one of those old DRM'd cds from Sony that I can't rip, but at least I can listen to it as much as I want.  The point of all this is that in the end the physical media is the better bargain regardless of the online options.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is the same reason why I buy all my music in CD format and all my games in Disc format .
I am already into some Niche genres as it is ( Movie scores , euro-style power metal , heavy metal , Japanese-Pop ; and on the game side JRPGS ) so what is to stop these companies from removing the Niche stuff from their services because they do n't think very many consumers are going to miss them ?
Sadly one of my cds I picked up used was one of those old DRM 'd cds from Sony that I ca n't rip , but at least I can listen to it as much as I want .
The point of all this is that in the end the physical media is the better bargain regardless of the online options .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is the same reason why I buy all my music in CD format and all my games in Disc format.
I am already into some Niche genres as it is (Movie scores, euro-style power metal, heavy metal, Japanese-Pop; and on the game side JRPGS) so what is to stop these companies from removing the Niche stuff from their services because they don't think very many consumers are going to miss them?
Sadly one of my cds I picked up used was one of those old DRM'd cds from Sony that I can't rip, but at least I can listen to it as much as I want.
The point of all this is that in the end the physical media is the better bargain regardless of the online options.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28417391</id>
	<title>Some filters block pages with keywords.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245611160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some filters block pages with keywords. That'd be one reason to obfuscate strong language even if slashdot doesn't need it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some filters block pages with keywords .
That 'd be one reason to obfuscate strong language even if slashdot does n't need it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some filters block pages with keywords.
That'd be one reason to obfuscate strong language even if slashdot doesn't need it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413513</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28417675</id>
	<title>Mobiocket and Amazon</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245613560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Strange that no one mentions Mobipocket while bashing Amazon. Mobipocket is a subsidiary of Amazon and there customers face a yet another problem with DRM: No devices to read on [1].</p><p>The Mobipocket DRM is actually quite fair - as far as DRM goes. Up to 4 devices, old devices can be deleted, new devices added. Re-download as often as you like. And full dozen differed devices to read on.</p><p>So DRM was bearable - until Amazon bought the company. It seems that Amazon thought this set-up far to liberal. Of course Amazon did not shut down the company - that would have gotten them into trouble. They should down the software development, shelved the finished iPhone reader and did not licence the file format to Sony for use in the PRS-505.</p><p>Now all they have to do is wait until all our mobile devices have have been replaced and hope we all jump for Kindle instead. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish at it's best Only there is two tiny flaw in there plan:</p><p>1) Mobipocket is mostly European shop and we can't get Kindle in Europe.<br>2) We found out about it and now we run a boycott Amazon campaign instead.</p><p>And yes, I know it won't help. Those multinational corporations have enough unconcerned, uninformed customer to ever care about a boycott.</p><p>[1] <a href="http://www.mobipocket.com/forum/index.php" title="mobipocket.com">http://www.mobipocket.com/forum/index.php</a> [mobipocket.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Strange that no one mentions Mobipocket while bashing Amazon .
Mobipocket is a subsidiary of Amazon and there customers face a yet another problem with DRM : No devices to read on [ 1 ] .The Mobipocket DRM is actually quite fair - as far as DRM goes .
Up to 4 devices , old devices can be deleted , new devices added .
Re-download as often as you like .
And full dozen differed devices to read on.So DRM was bearable - until Amazon bought the company .
It seems that Amazon thought this set-up far to liberal .
Of course Amazon did not shut down the company - that would have gotten them into trouble .
They should down the software development , shelved the finished iPhone reader and did not licence the file format to Sony for use in the PRS-505.Now all they have to do is wait until all our mobile devices have have been replaced and hope we all jump for Kindle instead .
Embrace , Extend , Extinguish at it 's best Only there is two tiny flaw in there plan : 1 ) Mobipocket is mostly European shop and we ca n't get Kindle in Europe.2 ) We found out about it and now we run a boycott Amazon campaign instead.And yes , I know it wo n't help .
Those multinational corporations have enough unconcerned , uninformed customer to ever care about a boycott .
[ 1 ] http : //www.mobipocket.com/forum/index.php [ mobipocket.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Strange that no one mentions Mobipocket while bashing Amazon.
Mobipocket is a subsidiary of Amazon and there customers face a yet another problem with DRM: No devices to read on [1].The Mobipocket DRM is actually quite fair - as far as DRM goes.
Up to 4 devices, old devices can be deleted, new devices added.
Re-download as often as you like.
And full dozen differed devices to read on.So DRM was bearable - until Amazon bought the company.
It seems that Amazon thought this set-up far to liberal.
Of course Amazon did not shut down the company - that would have gotten them into trouble.
They should down the software development, shelved the finished iPhone reader and did not licence the file format to Sony for use in the PRS-505.Now all they have to do is wait until all our mobile devices have have been replaced and hope we all jump for Kindle instead.
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish at it's best Only there is two tiny flaw in there plan:1) Mobipocket is mostly European shop and we can't get Kindle in Europe.2) We found out about it and now we run a boycott Amazon campaign instead.And yes, I know it won't help.
Those multinational corporations have enough unconcerned, uninformed customer to ever care about a boycott.
[1] http://www.mobipocket.com/forum/index.php [mobipocket.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413229</id>
	<title>Euphamism?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245576240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>It's not news that the media you buy for both Kindle and Zune are protected by DRM.</p></div></blockquote><p>
I hope it doesn't sound like too minor of a gripe, but I greatly prefer to call it <i>encumbered</i> by DRM.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not news that the media you buy for both Kindle and Zune are protected by DRM .
I hope it does n't sound like too minor of a gripe , but I greatly prefer to call it encumbered by DRM .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not news that the media you buy for both Kindle and Zune are protected by DRM.
I hope it doesn't sound like too minor of a gripe, but I greatly prefer to call it encumbered by DRM.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413907</id>
	<title>The Error Is Informative</title>
	<author>macs4all</author>
	<datestamp>1245581580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>"There might be another iteration of it..."<br> <br>
Another ITERATION of it?!?!?!?<br> <br>
This error message demonstrates EXACTLY why Microsoft Just Doesn't Get It(TM).<br> <br>
Most people on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. know what "Iteration" means; but PLEASE find me 10 (non-dev and non-IT) people on the street who can give a definition of "Iteration" in that sentence.<br> <br>
If you have your C++ code jockeys approve Error text, this is what you get.<br> <br>
You would NEVER see the word "Iteration" (howabout "Copy"?) in an Apple Dialog (unless it was in a dev. tool like XCode).<br> <br>
"Iteration", INDEED!</htmltext>
<tokenext>" There might be another iteration of it... " Another ITERATION of it ? ! ? ! ? ! ?
This error message demonstrates EXACTLY why Microsoft Just Does n't Get It ( TM ) .
Most people on / .
know what " Iteration " means ; but PLEASE find me 10 ( non-dev and non-IT ) people on the street who can give a definition of " Iteration " in that sentence .
If you have your C + + code jockeys approve Error text , this is what you get .
You would NEVER see the word " Iteration " ( howabout " Copy " ?
) in an Apple Dialog ( unless it was in a dev .
tool like XCode ) .
" Iteration " , INDEED !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"There might be another iteration of it..." 
Another ITERATION of it?!?!?!?
This error message demonstrates EXACTLY why Microsoft Just Doesn't Get It(TM).
Most people on /.
know what "Iteration" means; but PLEASE find me 10 (non-dev and non-IT) people on the street who can give a definition of "Iteration" in that sentence.
If you have your C++ code jockeys approve Error text, this is what you get.
You would NEVER see the word "Iteration" (howabout "Copy"?
) in an Apple Dialog (unless it was in a dev.
tool like XCode).
"Iteration", INDEED!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28422323</id>
	<title>Re:Update to the Amazon story</title>
	<author>cecirdr</author>
	<datestamp>1245686100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Thank you for this post.  If I'm interpreting the content correctly, kindle owners can download a purchase an unlimited number of times, but to maximum of 6 devices at a time. (the actual simultaneous devices are limited by the publisher and the purchaser doesn't know the limitation in advance...it could be 1-6 devices at a time.  But Amazon is working to make this information available at the time of purchase eventually)<br><br>So it seems to be the big thing to remember to do is deactivate your kindle from your amazon account when you choose to upgrade.  I think you can do it on the device via the settings menu or you can do it from your amazon account in the kindle management section.<br><br>Here's hoping that will take care of the situation.  It would be annoying to be on your 6th device, decide to upgrade one, and have to call Amazon to release your content to the new device.  They'll be flooded with calls in that case.  So it's in their best interest to make the activation/inactivation something users can control themselves.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Thank you for this post .
If I 'm interpreting the content correctly , kindle owners can download a purchase an unlimited number of times , but to maximum of 6 devices at a time .
( the actual simultaneous devices are limited by the publisher and the purchaser does n't know the limitation in advance...it could be 1-6 devices at a time .
But Amazon is working to make this information available at the time of purchase eventually ) So it seems to be the big thing to remember to do is deactivate your kindle from your amazon account when you choose to upgrade .
I think you can do it on the device via the settings menu or you can do it from your amazon account in the kindle management section.Here 's hoping that will take care of the situation .
It would be annoying to be on your 6th device , decide to upgrade one , and have to call Amazon to release your content to the new device .
They 'll be flooded with calls in that case .
So it 's in their best interest to make the activation/inactivation something users can control themselves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Thank you for this post.
If I'm interpreting the content correctly, kindle owners can download a purchase an unlimited number of times, but to maximum of 6 devices at a time.
(the actual simultaneous devices are limited by the publisher and the purchaser doesn't know the limitation in advance...it could be 1-6 devices at a time.
But Amazon is working to make this information available at the time of purchase eventually)So it seems to be the big thing to remember to do is deactivate your kindle from your amazon account when you choose to upgrade.
I think you can do it on the device via the settings menu or you can do it from your amazon account in the kindle management section.Here's hoping that will take care of the situation.
It would be annoying to be on your 6th device, decide to upgrade one, and have to call Amazon to release your content to the new device.
They'll be flooded with calls in that case.
So it's in their best interest to make the activation/inactivation something users can control themselves.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413537</id>
	<title>Bad idea - no such thing as good implementation</title>
	<author>MickyTheIdiot</author>
	<datestamp>1245578460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; DRM is a bad idea, poorly implemented.</p><p>Should be DRM is a bad idea [FULL STOP].</p><p>There is no good implementation of DRM and there never will be.  There can't be when you assume that EVERY customer is out to rip you off and you wish to enforce it on everyone, some of which are (or maybe were now) loyal customers.  The irresponsibility that is being shown in these examples are just the topping on the cake... but it sure gives your a look inside their psyche.  Their point of view is "we're big, we don't have to follow the rules and play fair... but you MUST follow our rules or we take our ball home."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; DRM is a bad idea , poorly implemented.Should be DRM is a bad idea [ FULL STOP ] .There is no good implementation of DRM and there never will be .
There ca n't be when you assume that EVERY customer is out to rip you off and you wish to enforce it on everyone , some of which are ( or maybe were now ) loyal customers .
The irresponsibility that is being shown in these examples are just the topping on the cake... but it sure gives your a look inside their psyche .
Their point of view is " we 're big , we do n't have to follow the rules and play fair... but you MUST follow our rules or we take our ball home .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; DRM is a bad idea, poorly implemented.Should be DRM is a bad idea [FULL STOP].There is no good implementation of DRM and there never will be.
There can't be when you assume that EVERY customer is out to rip you off and you wish to enforce it on everyone, some of which are (or maybe were now) loyal customers.
The irresponsibility that is being shown in these examples are just the topping on the cake... but it sure gives your a look inside their psyche.
Their point of view is "we're big, we don't have to follow the rules and play fair... but you MUST follow our rules or we take our ball home.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28414627</id>
	<title>Re:Don't by DRM protected media...</title>
	<author>PaganRitual</author>
	<datestamp>1245587700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes, no kidding. I'm so glad this is a music/book related DRM discussion, because I think that if I were to browse ONE MORE game related DRM thread where everyone goes on about how evil DRM is but how awesome Steam is, I think my brain will explode. It's the same thing, in fact in Steam's case it's actually worse, but it's fawned upon by the same tards that regard DRM as the ultimate evil.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , no kidding .
I 'm so glad this is a music/book related DRM discussion , because I think that if I were to browse ONE MORE game related DRM thread where everyone goes on about how evil DRM is but how awesome Steam is , I think my brain will explode .
It 's the same thing , in fact in Steam 's case it 's actually worse , but it 's fawned upon by the same tards that regard DRM as the ultimate evil .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, no kidding.
I'm so glad this is a music/book related DRM discussion, because I think that if I were to browse ONE MORE game related DRM thread where everyone goes on about how evil DRM is but how awesome Steam is, I think my brain will explode.
It's the same thing, in fact in Steam's case it's actually worse, but it's fawned upon by the same tards that regard DRM as the ultimate evil.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413769</id>
	<title>Update to the Amazon story</title>
	<author>BlackCreek</author>
	<datestamp>1245580320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Amazon reps got in contact with the guy.... They simply don't a have a clue of what happens, and may try to change policy. Worth a read...</p><p><a href="http://www.geardiary.com/2009/06/21/kindlegate-confusion-abounds-regarding-kindle-download-policy/#more-34458" title="geardiary.com">http://www.geardiary.com/2009/06/21/kindlegate-confusion-abounds-regarding-kindle-download-policy/#more-34458</a> [geardiary.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Amazon reps got in contact with the guy.... They simply do n't a have a clue of what happens , and may try to change policy .
Worth a read...http : //www.geardiary.com/2009/06/21/kindlegate-confusion-abounds-regarding-kindle-download-policy/ # more-34458 [ geardiary.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amazon reps got in contact with the guy.... They simply don't a have a clue of what happens, and may try to change policy.
Worth a read...http://www.geardiary.com/2009/06/21/kindlegate-confusion-abounds-regarding-kindle-download-policy/#more-34458 [geardiary.com]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28414735</id>
	<title>Re:Euphamism?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245588900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>cucumbered? that sounds more like it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>cucumbered ?
that sounds more like it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>cucumbered?
that sounds more like it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413229</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413867</id>
	<title>Here we go again...</title>
	<author>MSFanBoi2</author>
	<datestamp>1245581220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>While the DRM part is accurate (and why is it Microsoft's fault the company that provided the music originally pulled its license? Clue: it isn't its the fault of the folks that OWN the licenses to the music, not Microsoft, but its easier to throw rocks at Microsoft than it is some record company right?), the rest of the Facebook (now Slashdot is trolling Facebook to find AntiMicrosoft and DRM rhetoric?), is simply put, bunk, or this fellows crappy computer. I too use a Zune and have NONE of the issues he is having. While the Zune software can take a few seconds to start, mostly due to the login to the Zune Music Store, it does NOT lock up your computer at ALL. And plugging the Zune in works just fine. Closing the Zune software is instant and painless. Pesonally I think its PEBKAC, but again its easier just to blame Microsoft than it is the end user...</htmltext>
<tokenext>While the DRM part is accurate ( and why is it Microsoft 's fault the company that provided the music originally pulled its license ?
Clue : it is n't its the fault of the folks that OWN the licenses to the music , not Microsoft , but its easier to throw rocks at Microsoft than it is some record company right ?
) , the rest of the Facebook ( now Slashdot is trolling Facebook to find AntiMicrosoft and DRM rhetoric ?
) , is simply put , bunk , or this fellows crappy computer .
I too use a Zune and have NONE of the issues he is having .
While the Zune software can take a few seconds to start , mostly due to the login to the Zune Music Store , it does NOT lock up your computer at ALL .
And plugging the Zune in works just fine .
Closing the Zune software is instant and painless .
Pesonally I think its PEBKAC , but again its easier just to blame Microsoft than it is the end user.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While the DRM part is accurate (and why is it Microsoft's fault the company that provided the music originally pulled its license?
Clue: it isn't its the fault of the folks that OWN the licenses to the music, not Microsoft, but its easier to throw rocks at Microsoft than it is some record company right?
), the rest of the Facebook (now Slashdot is trolling Facebook to find AntiMicrosoft and DRM rhetoric?
), is simply put, bunk, or this fellows crappy computer.
I too use a Zune and have NONE of the issues he is having.
While the Zune software can take a few seconds to start, mostly due to the login to the Zune Music Store, it does NOT lock up your computer at ALL.
And plugging the Zune in works just fine.
Closing the Zune software is instant and painless.
Pesonally I think its PEBKAC, but again its easier just to blame Microsoft than it is the end user...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28414589</id>
	<title>Re:F*ck DRM! F*ck it right in its stupidd a55!</title>
	<author>b4dc0d3r</author>
	<datestamp>1245587400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>All you're accomplishing is telling these companies that DRM is fine with you.  And the ones you don't download, they figure you're just stealing that.  There is no way to get feedback to the company that your purchases are dependent on breaking DRM, or in other words you won't buy anything that has DRM, because you keep stripping it without telling them.</p><p>All of the people who figure it's OK to buy something for one device and have to re-buy it later, and they do exist, appear exactly the same to these sellers.  Ah they say, here's another customer who doesn't mind DRM.  And so they can't get an accurate count.</p><p>People who get screwed and then don't sue are a big part of the problem.  Unfortunately lawsuits cost time and money, and this is not a very soundly tested legal area because no one wants to spend the time or money to contest DRM schemes failing the user.  People with the money to front a lawsuit probably can mentally write off a purchase like this and just buy again in a different format.  Someone seriously hurt by a $50 purchase that doesn't work will probably not have the money.</p><p>In other words, it's your fault.  Don't buy it, or sue when it doesn't work, or at least complain loudly.  Call a product's help line while you're standing in the store and ask does it have DRM?  Ok, sorry thanks I won't be buying it.  The only way that works of course is if enough people call.  "They won't listen to me," sure.  But they will listen if enough people can be bothered to call.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>All you 're accomplishing is telling these companies that DRM is fine with you .
And the ones you do n't download , they figure you 're just stealing that .
There is no way to get feedback to the company that your purchases are dependent on breaking DRM , or in other words you wo n't buy anything that has DRM , because you keep stripping it without telling them.All of the people who figure it 's OK to buy something for one device and have to re-buy it later , and they do exist , appear exactly the same to these sellers .
Ah they say , here 's another customer who does n't mind DRM .
And so they ca n't get an accurate count.People who get screwed and then do n't sue are a big part of the problem .
Unfortunately lawsuits cost time and money , and this is not a very soundly tested legal area because no one wants to spend the time or money to contest DRM schemes failing the user .
People with the money to front a lawsuit probably can mentally write off a purchase like this and just buy again in a different format .
Someone seriously hurt by a $ 50 purchase that does n't work will probably not have the money.In other words , it 's your fault .
Do n't buy it , or sue when it does n't work , or at least complain loudly .
Call a product 's help line while you 're standing in the store and ask does it have DRM ?
Ok , sorry thanks I wo n't be buying it .
The only way that works of course is if enough people call .
" They wo n't listen to me , " sure .
But they will listen if enough people can be bothered to call .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All you're accomplishing is telling these companies that DRM is fine with you.
And the ones you don't download, they figure you're just stealing that.
There is no way to get feedback to the company that your purchases are dependent on breaking DRM, or in other words you won't buy anything that has DRM, because you keep stripping it without telling them.All of the people who figure it's OK to buy something for one device and have to re-buy it later, and they do exist, appear exactly the same to these sellers.
Ah they say, here's another customer who doesn't mind DRM.
And so they can't get an accurate count.People who get screwed and then don't sue are a big part of the problem.
Unfortunately lawsuits cost time and money, and this is not a very soundly tested legal area because no one wants to spend the time or money to contest DRM schemes failing the user.
People with the money to front a lawsuit probably can mentally write off a purchase like this and just buy again in a different format.
Someone seriously hurt by a $50 purchase that doesn't work will probably not have the money.In other words, it's your fault.
Don't buy it, or sue when it doesn't work, or at least complain loudly.
Call a product's help line while you're standing in the store and ask does it have DRM?
Ok, sorry thanks I won't be buying it.
The only way that works of course is if enough people call.
"They won't listen to me," sure.
But they will listen if enough people can be bothered to call.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28421073</id>
	<title>Whiner</title>
	<author>StrifeJester</author>
	<datestamp>1245682020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You do know that bought music can be burned to a cd so the first thing you should have done is backed it up then there would be no reason to bitch about DRM.  There is way too much about this.  Buy MP3 on the Zune store if it bugs you.  I would really like for someone to explain to me why it is so hard to buy a DRM'd cd and burn it to real media that can be ripped at your leisure.  Digital products are fine, i love getting things instantly on the fly, but i am also smart enough to know for 5 minutes of my time i can create a hard copy to file away.  Any software you buy digitally you can't guarantee the company will be around forever to let you redownload the software.  Blank media costs pennies these days and external hard drives are cheap as well.  I know in the case of music if the server is turned off or the label pulls the track you are sol even if you have a digital backup that it would need to authenticate to.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do know that bought music can be burned to a cd so the first thing you should have done is backed it up then there would be no reason to bitch about DRM .
There is way too much about this .
Buy MP3 on the Zune store if it bugs you .
I would really like for someone to explain to me why it is so hard to buy a DRM 'd cd and burn it to real media that can be ripped at your leisure .
Digital products are fine , i love getting things instantly on the fly , but i am also smart enough to know for 5 minutes of my time i can create a hard copy to file away .
Any software you buy digitally you ca n't guarantee the company will be around forever to let you redownload the software .
Blank media costs pennies these days and external hard drives are cheap as well .
I know in the case of music if the server is turned off or the label pulls the track you are sol even if you have a digital backup that it would need to authenticate to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do know that bought music can be burned to a cd so the first thing you should have done is backed it up then there would be no reason to bitch about DRM.
There is way too much about this.
Buy MP3 on the Zune store if it bugs you.
I would really like for someone to explain to me why it is so hard to buy a DRM'd cd and burn it to real media that can be ripped at your leisure.
Digital products are fine, i love getting things instantly on the fly, but i am also smart enough to know for 5 minutes of my time i can create a hard copy to file away.
Any software you buy digitally you can't guarantee the company will be around forever to let you redownload the software.
Blank media costs pennies these days and external hard drives are cheap as well.
I know in the case of music if the server is turned off or the label pulls the track you are sol even if you have a digital backup that it would need to authenticate to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413951</id>
	<title>Re:When Will the Average Consumer Learn?</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1245581820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The answer is actually really simple. DRM encumbered media should simply be quite a lot cheaper than unencumbered media. If I could by a novel on an e-reader for $2, I'm only going to be worried about it working for around a month, after that, I couldn't give a shit.</p><p>Same thing with movies. Less so with music as my behavior tends to be to listen to things multiple times.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The answer is actually really simple .
DRM encumbered media should simply be quite a lot cheaper than unencumbered media .
If I could by a novel on an e-reader for $ 2 , I 'm only going to be worried about it working for around a month , after that , I could n't give a shit.Same thing with movies .
Less so with music as my behavior tends to be to listen to things multiple times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The answer is actually really simple.
DRM encumbered media should simply be quite a lot cheaper than unencumbered media.
If I could by a novel on an e-reader for $2, I'm only going to be worried about it working for around a month, after that, I couldn't give a shit.Same thing with movies.
Less so with music as my behavior tends to be to listen to things multiple times.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413363</id>
	<title>Rent, or buy?</title>
	<author>Staticnumeric</author>
	<datestamp>1245577260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm wondering, did Rjak buy his music from the Zune store, or rent it with the pass? If the former, I thought that all Zune music was DRM-free, unless Microsoft is being idiodic and didn't or doesn't allow users to upgrade their previously purchased music to a non-limited format after the change. If the latter, then he really shouldn't be complaining at all.

Either way, this is why I don't bother with DRM-laced music stores anymore. Far too much hassle.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm wondering , did Rjak buy his music from the Zune store , or rent it with the pass ?
If the former , I thought that all Zune music was DRM-free , unless Microsoft is being idiodic and did n't or does n't allow users to upgrade their previously purchased music to a non-limited format after the change .
If the latter , then he really should n't be complaining at all .
Either way , this is why I do n't bother with DRM-laced music stores anymore .
Far too much hassle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm wondering, did Rjak buy his music from the Zune store, or rent it with the pass?
If the former, I thought that all Zune music was DRM-free, unless Microsoft is being idiodic and didn't or doesn't allow users to upgrade their previously purchased music to a non-limited format after the change.
If the latter, then he really shouldn't be complaining at all.
Either way, this is why I don't bother with DRM-laced music stores anymore.
Far too much hassle.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413195</id>
	<title>Re:When Will the Average Consumer Learn?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245576000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>DRM has not been implemented correctly to date.</p></div></blockquote><p>
The idea is almost zen. How to screw the user yet not screw the user?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>DRM has not been implemented correctly to date .
The idea is almost zen .
How to screw the user yet not screw the user ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DRM has not been implemented correctly to date.
The idea is almost zen.
How to screw the user yet not screw the user?
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28415349</id>
	<title>Re:Don't by DRM protected media...</title>
	<author>HermMunster</author>
	<datestamp>1245594780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>DRM is an ultimate evil.  Period.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>DRM is an ultimate evil .
Period .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>DRM is an ultimate evil.
Period.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413273</id>
	<title>Why buy encumbered books?</title>
	<author>zippthorne</author>
	<datestamp>1245576480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When the library of classic works available so dwarfs what you can expect to complete in a mere few years anyway?</p><p><a href="http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main\_Page" title="gutenberg.org">http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main\_Page</a> [gutenberg.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When the library of classic works available so dwarfs what you can expect to complete in a mere few years anyway ? http : //www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main \ _Page [ gutenberg.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When the library of classic works available so dwarfs what you can expect to complete in a mere few years anyway?http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main\_Page [gutenberg.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413763</id>
	<title>Re:When Will the Average Consumer Learn?</title>
	<author>beckett</author>
	<datestamp>1245580320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The idea is almost zen. How to screw the user yet not screw the user?</p></div><p>and the Koan Master replied, "zorro."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The idea is almost zen .
How to screw the user yet not screw the user ? and the Koan Master replied , " zorro .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The idea is almost zen.
How to screw the user yet not screw the user?and the Koan Master replied, "zorro.
"
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413717</id>
	<title>Re:Don't by DRM protected media...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245579840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please note that this also includes buying things on Steam.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please note that this also includes buying things on Steam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please note that this also includes buying things on Steam.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413325</id>
	<title>Zune Marketplace not Zune device</title>
	<author>silmarilwest</author>
	<datestamp>1245576900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>is the problem in this case.  The device is not without flaws, but it seems unfair to blame the device for a flaw with the app store (I'd criticize it more for not being able to handle naturally occurring dates).  The majority of users won't use their player for DRM protected content although they should clearly have the ability to do so without worrying about this scenario.  Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe these types of restrictions.</htmltext>
<tokenext>is the problem in this case .
The device is not without flaws , but it seems unfair to blame the device for a flaw with the app store ( I 'd criticize it more for not being able to handle naturally occurring dates ) .
The majority of users wo n't use their player for DRM protected content although they should clearly have the ability to do so without worrying about this scenario .
Pathetic does n't even begin to describe these types of restrictions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>is the problem in this case.
The device is not without flaws, but it seems unfair to blame the device for a flaw with the app store (I'd criticize it more for not being able to handle naturally occurring dates).
The majority of users won't use their player for DRM protected content although they should clearly have the ability to do so without worrying about this scenario.
Pathetic doesn't even begin to describe these types of restrictions.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28414951</id>
	<title>you can remove the drm</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245590700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Supposedly you can burn them. Then re-rip as mp3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Supposedly you can burn them .
Then re-rip as mp3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Supposedly you can burn them.
Then re-rip as mp3.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28417681</id>
	<title>iPhone 3.0 iTunes Store Terms of Service</title>
	<author>flerndip</author>
	<datestamp>1245613620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It should be noted that upon installing the iPhone 3.0 update, one must once again agree to the iTunes Store Terms of Service.  Careful examination reveals this contract to be sixty-seven pages in length.  I shit you not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It should be noted that upon installing the iPhone 3.0 update , one must once again agree to the iTunes Store Terms of Service .
Careful examination reveals this contract to be sixty-seven pages in length .
I shit you not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It should be noted that upon installing the iPhone 3.0 update, one must once again agree to the iTunes Store Terms of Service.
Careful examination reveals this contract to be sixty-seven pages in length.
I shit you not.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_21_1945216.28413427</id>
	<title>I think this is great</title>
	<author>somenickname</author>
	<datestamp>1245577740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Until recently it's only been Slashdot Types that were aware of the evils of DRM.  Once the general masses are aware of it, they won't stand for it.  Or maybe I give them too much credit...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Until recently it 's only been Slashdot Types that were aware of the evils of DRM .
Once the general masses are aware of it , they wo n't stand for it .
Or maybe I give them too much credit.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Until recently it's only been Slashdot Types that were aware of the evils of DRM.
Once the general masses are aware of it, they won't stand for it.
Or maybe I give them too much credit...</sentencetext>
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