<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_20_1941213</id>
	<title>Best Handset For Freedom?</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1245510180000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://fatherdowd.net/blog" rel="nofollow">Father Thomas Dowd</a> writes <i>"The images we are seeing of Iran are being captured on cell phones and the text is being twittered over SMS. Still, the government has some control over the networks, and we are all familiar with fears of wiretap technologies to spy on users. If the cell phone is the new tool of freedom, what would the best 'freedom handset' contain? I'm thinking of a device with an open OS, where each phone could be a router for encrypted messages passed through Bluetooth/WiFi/whatever, thereby totally bypassing physical infrastructures when necessary. Of course, some sort of plausible deniability encryption a la Truecrypt would also be good, in case the secret police catch you with your phone. What else might we need?"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Father Thomas Dowd writes " The images we are seeing of Iran are being captured on cell phones and the text is being twittered over SMS .
Still , the government has some control over the networks , and we are all familiar with fears of wiretap technologies to spy on users .
If the cell phone is the new tool of freedom , what would the best 'freedom handset ' contain ?
I 'm thinking of a device with an open OS , where each phone could be a router for encrypted messages passed through Bluetooth/WiFi/whatever , thereby totally bypassing physical infrastructures when necessary .
Of course , some sort of plausible deniability encryption a la Truecrypt would also be good , in case the secret police catch you with your phone .
What else might we need ?
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<sentencetext>Father Thomas Dowd writes "The images we are seeing of Iran are being captured on cell phones and the text is being twittered over SMS.
Still, the government has some control over the networks, and we are all familiar with fears of wiretap technologies to spy on users.
If the cell phone is the new tool of freedom, what would the best 'freedom handset' contain?
I'm thinking of a device with an open OS, where each phone could be a router for encrypted messages passed through Bluetooth/WiFi/whatever, thereby totally bypassing physical infrastructures when necessary.
Of course, some sort of plausible deniability encryption a la Truecrypt would also be good, in case the secret police catch you with your phone.
What else might we need?
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408469</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom or terrorism</title>
	<author>notarockstar1979</author>
	<datestamp>1245527520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, yes, there's always one jackass who has to say this or something akin to it.  Freedom is good for terrorism so let's become a totalitarian state.  I love trolls.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , yes , there 's always one jackass who has to say this or something akin to it .
Freedom is good for terrorism so let 's become a totalitarian state .
I love trolls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, yes, there's always one jackass who has to say this or something akin to it.
Freedom is good for terrorism so let's become a totalitarian state.
I love trolls.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407183</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407175</id>
	<title>Open source smart phone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245514380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First off, no commercial phone will come with encryption or any sort of privacy option.  This means that you will either need add-on applications, or the ability to tweak the OS.</p><p>Secondly, you need an OS you can audit.  This rules out BlackBerry, iPhone, and the Nokia N line.  Realistically, you're going to end up with a Linux phone.</p><p>Thirdly, you need one that is well documented, with a vibrant developer and user community.</p><p>With these criteria, I can recommend the T-Mobile G1.  I compiled my own OS image, I can run whatever I want (I encrypt ALL data, messages, and calls), and none of it shared with the telcos or the government (one and the same at this point).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First off , no commercial phone will come with encryption or any sort of privacy option .
This means that you will either need add-on applications , or the ability to tweak the OS.Secondly , you need an OS you can audit .
This rules out BlackBerry , iPhone , and the Nokia N line .
Realistically , you 're going to end up with a Linux phone.Thirdly , you need one that is well documented , with a vibrant developer and user community.With these criteria , I can recommend the T-Mobile G1 .
I compiled my own OS image , I can run whatever I want ( I encrypt ALL data , messages , and calls ) , and none of it shared with the telcos or the government ( one and the same at this point ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First off, no commercial phone will come with encryption or any sort of privacy option.
This means that you will either need add-on applications, or the ability to tweak the OS.Secondly, you need an OS you can audit.
This rules out BlackBerry, iPhone, and the Nokia N line.
Realistically, you're going to end up with a Linux phone.Thirdly, you need one that is well documented, with a vibrant developer and user community.With these criteria, I can recommend the T-Mobile G1.
I compiled my own OS image, I can run whatever I want (I encrypt ALL data, messages, and calls), and none of it shared with the telcos or the government (one and the same at this point).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408733</id>
	<title>Iridium/Globalstar/Thuraya</title>
	<author>hazard</author>
	<datestamp>1245574860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Your best handset for freedom is the one which does not pass through the government-controlled networks. E.g., Iridium, Globalstar, Thuraya. I'm sure that this is the way at least some of the information is leaking out to the West. If somebody catches you with it - well, don't let them do that. Newer handsets are pretty small and look like normal mobile phones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Your best handset for freedom is the one which does not pass through the government-controlled networks .
E.g. , Iridium , Globalstar , Thuraya .
I 'm sure that this is the way at least some of the information is leaking out to the West .
If somebody catches you with it - well , do n't let them do that .
Newer handsets are pretty small and look like normal mobile phones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Your best handset for freedom is the one which does not pass through the government-controlled networks.
E.g., Iridium, Globalstar, Thuraya.
I'm sure that this is the way at least some of the information is leaking out to the West.
If somebody catches you with it - well, don't let them do that.
Newer handsets are pretty small and look like normal mobile phones.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408701</id>
	<title>idiots</title>
	<author>smoker2</author>
	<datestamp>1245617340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>If the "secret police" catch you, the fucking last thing to worry about is "plausible deniability". This isn't the White House, or the Senate. You don't get your "phone call". If the secret police catch you, you suffer. No trial, no evidence, no representation. Worrying about hiding stuff on a phone is moot. Just be glad if you are released alive.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If the " secret police " catch you , the fucking last thing to worry about is " plausible deniability " .
This is n't the White House , or the Senate .
You do n't get your " phone call " .
If the secret police catch you , you suffer .
No trial , no evidence , no representation .
Worrying about hiding stuff on a phone is moot .
Just be glad if you are released alive .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If the "secret police" catch you, the fucking last thing to worry about is "plausible deniability".
This isn't the White House, or the Senate.
You don't get your "phone call".
If the secret police catch you, you suffer.
No trial, no evidence, no representation.
Worrying about hiding stuff on a phone is moot.
Just be glad if you are released alive.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407767</id>
	<title>Re:Open source smart phone</title>
	<author>im\_thatoneguy</author>
	<datestamp>1245520020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or you could use Windows Mobile and a secure VPN.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or you could use Windows Mobile and a secure VPN .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or you could use Windows Mobile and a secure VPN.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407175</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28416879</id>
	<title>Re:Also, Father Dowd,</title>
	<author>demachina</author>
	<datestamp>1245606420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"is any cell phone securely taped to a Smith &amp; Wesson."</p><p>The 1978/1979 <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian\_Revolution" title="wikipedia.org">Iranian revolution</a> [wikipedia.org] that put the current regime in power succeeded largely because on September 8, 1978...  Black Friday<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... the Shah's security service openly shot and killed dozens of unarmed demonstrators.  Not because armed protesters shot it out with the security services.</p><p>A key factor in India's drive to independence was the massacre by British troops of unarmed protestors at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jallianwala\_Bagh\_massacre" title="wikipedia.org">Jallianwala</a> [wikipedia.org] not because Indians defeated the British military in armed conflict.</p><p>The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army\_of\_the\_Guardians\_of\_the\_Islamic\_Revolution" title="wikipedia.org">Iranian Revolutionary Guards</a> [wikipedia.org] and the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basij" title="wikipedia.org">Basij</a> [wikipedia.org] number in the millions and they are well trained to be armed thugs if the need arises.  I'm pretty sure most of the Iranian protesters are young urban yuppies with a limited grasp of armed conflict.  If they were to try to shoot it out with the Iranian secuirty apparatus they would probably lose and lose badly and they would also lose the moral high ground.</p><p>Gandhi's methods will almost certainly serve them better than yours, though it may well mean some brave Iranian kids will have to get them selves killed, tortured or imprisoned in the process,  and they will have to have some serious patience and staying power in the face of a brutal backlash from the state.</p><p>I sure hope Moussavi and Rafsanjani are worth the price the Green movement might have to pay for them to win power.  Moussavi is a former prime minister from the early years of the Revolution, during a time when the clerics killed thousands of political prisoners. The Ayatollahs wouldn't have let him run in the first place if he were not part of the current regime, he apparently just went rogue on them. Its not certain he will be a bastion of democracy, freedom and reform if he gains power unless he's changed a lot over the last 20 years.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" is any cell phone securely taped to a Smith &amp; Wesson .
" The 1978/1979 Iranian revolution [ wikipedia.org ] that put the current regime in power succeeded largely because on September 8 , 1978... Black Friday ... the Shah 's security service openly shot and killed dozens of unarmed demonstrators .
Not because armed protesters shot it out with the security services.A key factor in India 's drive to independence was the massacre by British troops of unarmed protestors at Jallianwala [ wikipedia.org ] not because Indians defeated the British military in armed conflict.The Iranian Revolutionary Guards [ wikipedia.org ] and the Basij [ wikipedia.org ] number in the millions and they are well trained to be armed thugs if the need arises .
I 'm pretty sure most of the Iranian protesters are young urban yuppies with a limited grasp of armed conflict .
If they were to try to shoot it out with the Iranian secuirty apparatus they would probably lose and lose badly and they would also lose the moral high ground.Gandhi 's methods will almost certainly serve them better than yours , though it may well mean some brave Iranian kids will have to get them selves killed , tortured or imprisoned in the process , and they will have to have some serious patience and staying power in the face of a brutal backlash from the state.I sure hope Moussavi and Rafsanjani are worth the price the Green movement might have to pay for them to win power .
Moussavi is a former prime minister from the early years of the Revolution , during a time when the clerics killed thousands of political prisoners .
The Ayatollahs would n't have let him run in the first place if he were not part of the current regime , he apparently just went rogue on them .
Its not certain he will be a bastion of democracy , freedom and reform if he gains power unless he 's changed a lot over the last 20 years .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"is any cell phone securely taped to a Smith &amp; Wesson.
"The 1978/1979 Iranian revolution [wikipedia.org] that put the current regime in power succeeded largely because on September 8, 1978...  Black Friday ... the Shah's security service openly shot and killed dozens of unarmed demonstrators.
Not because armed protesters shot it out with the security services.A key factor in India's drive to independence was the massacre by British troops of unarmed protestors at Jallianwala [wikipedia.org] not because Indians defeated the British military in armed conflict.The Iranian Revolutionary Guards [wikipedia.org] and the Basij [wikipedia.org] number in the millions and they are well trained to be armed thugs if the need arises.
I'm pretty sure most of the Iranian protesters are young urban yuppies with a limited grasp of armed conflict.
If they were to try to shoot it out with the Iranian secuirty apparatus they would probably lose and lose badly and they would also lose the moral high ground.Gandhi's methods will almost certainly serve them better than yours, though it may well mean some brave Iranian kids will have to get them selves killed, tortured or imprisoned in the process,  and they will have to have some serious patience and staying power in the face of a brutal backlash from the state.I sure hope Moussavi and Rafsanjani are worth the price the Green movement might have to pay for them to win power.
Moussavi is a former prime minister from the early years of the Revolution, during a time when the clerics killed thousands of political prisoners.
The Ayatollahs wouldn't have let him run in the first place if he were not part of the current regime, he apparently just went rogue on them.
Its not certain he will be a bastion of democracy, freedom and reform if he gains power unless he's changed a lot over the last 20 years.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407161</id>
	<title>Keep in mind though</title>
	<author>Jane Q. Public</author>
	<datestamp>1245514260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>that whatever your choice of handset, it isn't very "free" as long as it is locked to a single service provider.</htmltext>
<tokenext>that whatever your choice of handset , it is n't very " free " as long as it is locked to a single service provider .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>that whatever your choice of handset, it isn't very "free" as long as it is locked to a single service provider.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408687</id>
	<title>Re:There's only one obvious choice...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245617100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SMS is actively monitored in Iran. Bad idea.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SMS is actively monitored in Iran .
Bad idea .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SMS is actively monitored in Iran.
Bad idea.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407227</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28410067</id>
	<title>I'm trying to ignore Iran</title>
	<author>petrus4</author>
	<datestamp>1245593580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm getting sick of hearing about it.  The single main reason is that <b>any</b> (and I mean any) Americans who are involving themselves in it are complete, total hypocrites.</p><p>You allowed a monster to hold political office in your country for eight years.  He was the single worst political leader that you have ever had, and one of the worst that any country in the world has ever had.</p><p>He stole at least the first election, if not both of them.  He committed the greatest crime against you that anyone in your government ever has.  (9/11)  He is responsible for baseless war crimes against Iraq.  He built gulags, advocated torture, sought ways around international laws that prohibit torture, and worked tirelessly, night and day, to move your country as close to outright fascism as he possibly could.</p><p>Through it all, you <b>never</b> opposed him in any meaningful way.  Not <b>once</b>.</p><p>No impeachment.  No censure.  No investigation of him directly; only actions aimed at entirely dispensable underlings like Scooter Libby.</p><p>You never challenged either of his election victories.  You were never even willing to remotely comprehend the idea that he might have been responsible for 9/11, instead sticking your fingers in your ears and singing whenever anyone suggested it, or calling such people either insane conspiracy theorists, or traitors and un-American.</p><p>When he insisted that war with Iraq was necessary, despite using a totally bogus rationale, the vast majority of you unquestioningly swallowed it whole.</p><p>With the presidency of George Walker Bush, (and even more, with the continued outrage that the man has not been taken into custody for his crimes) America has permanently forfeited any right that it may previously have had, to pass comment on the moral character of any foreign government, or whether or not said government is serving the cause of liberty.</p><p>You cannot credibly oppose monsters in government abroad, when you are entirely willing to allow and accept them domestically.</p><p>Spare me also the usual, semi-crying, "Why do you hate America?" response.  The only thing such response serves to do, is illustrate the complete, unsparing lack of even the most basic intelligence in the person making it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm getting sick of hearing about it .
The single main reason is that any ( and I mean any ) Americans who are involving themselves in it are complete , total hypocrites.You allowed a monster to hold political office in your country for eight years .
He was the single worst political leader that you have ever had , and one of the worst that any country in the world has ever had.He stole at least the first election , if not both of them .
He committed the greatest crime against you that anyone in your government ever has .
( 9/11 ) He is responsible for baseless war crimes against Iraq .
He built gulags , advocated torture , sought ways around international laws that prohibit torture , and worked tirelessly , night and day , to move your country as close to outright fascism as he possibly could.Through it all , you never opposed him in any meaningful way .
Not once.No impeachment .
No censure .
No investigation of him directly ; only actions aimed at entirely dispensable underlings like Scooter Libby.You never challenged either of his election victories .
You were never even willing to remotely comprehend the idea that he might have been responsible for 9/11 , instead sticking your fingers in your ears and singing whenever anyone suggested it , or calling such people either insane conspiracy theorists , or traitors and un-American.When he insisted that war with Iraq was necessary , despite using a totally bogus rationale , the vast majority of you unquestioningly swallowed it whole.With the presidency of George Walker Bush , ( and even more , with the continued outrage that the man has not been taken into custody for his crimes ) America has permanently forfeited any right that it may previously have had , to pass comment on the moral character of any foreign government , or whether or not said government is serving the cause of liberty.You can not credibly oppose monsters in government abroad , when you are entirely willing to allow and accept them domestically.Spare me also the usual , semi-crying , " Why do you hate America ?
" response .
The only thing such response serves to do , is illustrate the complete , unsparing lack of even the most basic intelligence in the person making it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm getting sick of hearing about it.
The single main reason is that any (and I mean any) Americans who are involving themselves in it are complete, total hypocrites.You allowed a monster to hold political office in your country for eight years.
He was the single worst political leader that you have ever had, and one of the worst that any country in the world has ever had.He stole at least the first election, if not both of them.
He committed the greatest crime against you that anyone in your government ever has.
(9/11)  He is responsible for baseless war crimes against Iraq.
He built gulags, advocated torture, sought ways around international laws that prohibit torture, and worked tirelessly, night and day, to move your country as close to outright fascism as he possibly could.Through it all, you never opposed him in any meaningful way.
Not once.No impeachment.
No censure.
No investigation of him directly; only actions aimed at entirely dispensable underlings like Scooter Libby.You never challenged either of his election victories.
You were never even willing to remotely comprehend the idea that he might have been responsible for 9/11, instead sticking your fingers in your ears and singing whenever anyone suggested it, or calling such people either insane conspiracy theorists, or traitors and un-American.When he insisted that war with Iraq was necessary, despite using a totally bogus rationale, the vast majority of you unquestioningly swallowed it whole.With the presidency of George Walker Bush, (and even more, with the continued outrage that the man has not been taken into custody for his crimes) America has permanently forfeited any right that it may previously have had, to pass comment on the moral character of any foreign government, or whether or not said government is serving the cause of liberty.You cannot credibly oppose monsters in government abroad, when you are entirely willing to allow and accept them domestically.Spare me also the usual, semi-crying, "Why do you hate America?
" response.
The only thing such response serves to do, is illustrate the complete, unsparing lack of even the most basic intelligence in the person making it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28409685</id>
	<title>because US armed support in Iran works?</title>
	<author>fantomas</author>
	<datestamp>1245587880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Check <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation\_Ajax" title="wikipedia.org">Iran's history</a> [wikipedia.org]. I'd imagine nobody in Iran would want to be associated with 'change through US firepower'.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Check Iran 's history [ wikipedia.org ] .
I 'd imagine nobody in Iran would want to be associated with 'change through US firepower' .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Check Iran's history [wikipedia.org].
I'd imagine nobody in Iran would want to be associated with 'change through US firepower'.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407183</id>
	<title>Freedom or terrorism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245514500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The best handset for freedom will also be the best handset for terrorism.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best handset for freedom will also be the best handset for terrorism .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best handset for freedom will also be the best handset for terrorism.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407151</id>
	<title>First thing that comes to mind</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245514080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most likely the next logical step for rural and otherwise disconnected people would be satellite. However currently it is cost prohibitive for the average person.</p><p>So the best handset for this purpose would be satellite capable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most likely the next logical step for rural and otherwise disconnected people would be satellite .
However currently it is cost prohibitive for the average person.So the best handset for this purpose would be satellite capable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most likely the next logical step for rural and otherwise disconnected people would be satellite.
However currently it is cost prohibitive for the average person.So the best handset for this purpose would be satellite capable.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28415091</id>
	<title>Re:Fake US Outrage Has Jumped The Shark</title>
	<author>RyuuzakiTetsuya</author>
	<datestamp>1245592200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>isn't this what Barack Obama advocated?  To go, "Yay freedom" and stay out of the Iranian Government's affairs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>is n't this what Barack Obama advocated ?
To go , " Yay freedom " and stay out of the Iranian Government 's affairs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>isn't this what Barack Obama advocated?
To go, "Yay freedom" and stay out of the Iranian Government's affairs?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407435</id>
	<title>Fake US Outrage Has Jumped The Shark</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245517080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>1953: US Operation Ajax - Overthrows the democratically-elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddeq</p><p>1979: Iranians overthrow the US puppet Shah of Iran</p><p>1980: US hostages being held due to the US interference in Iran are released - an action supported by Mousavi - you know the guy all these kids on digg and reddit seem to have fallen in love with...</p><p>2009: Ahmadinejad wins reelection by a margin that roughly matches pre-election polls - and demonstrating his huge popularity in the large rural areas of Iran</p><p>2009: After years of US cross border raids, support of minority ethnic group terrorist attacks inside of Iran, threats of attack to all out war from the US, and outright lies repeated in the media attributed to Ahmadinejad by the US media and intellegence agencies, to trying to manufacture US outrage with dummy Twitter and other social media accounts.</p><p>2009: KDawson posts "Best Handset For Freedom?" on Slashdot</p><p>The Shark, it has been jumped.</p><p>Can we put the fake outrage to rest now. Yes it was a gold mine for Karma whores, but it's time for the US to give what every one of 'our Iranian brothers and sisters' wants - for the US to leave them the fuck alone.</p><p>Not too much to ask now is it?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>1953 : US Operation Ajax - Overthrows the democratically-elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddeq1979 : Iranians overthrow the US puppet Shah of Iran1980 : US hostages being held due to the US interference in Iran are released - an action supported by Mousavi - you know the guy all these kids on digg and reddit seem to have fallen in love with...2009 : Ahmadinejad wins reelection by a margin that roughly matches pre-election polls - and demonstrating his huge popularity in the large rural areas of Iran2009 : After years of US cross border raids , support of minority ethnic group terrorist attacks inside of Iran , threats of attack to all out war from the US , and outright lies repeated in the media attributed to Ahmadinejad by the US media and intellegence agencies , to trying to manufacture US outrage with dummy Twitter and other social media accounts.2009 : KDawson posts " Best Handset For Freedom ?
" on SlashdotThe Shark , it has been jumped.Can we put the fake outrage to rest now .
Yes it was a gold mine for Karma whores , but it 's time for the US to give what every one of 'our Iranian brothers and sisters ' wants - for the US to leave them the fuck alone.Not too much to ask now is it ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1953: US Operation Ajax - Overthrows the democratically-elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddeq1979: Iranians overthrow the US puppet Shah of Iran1980: US hostages being held due to the US interference in Iran are released - an action supported by Mousavi - you know the guy all these kids on digg and reddit seem to have fallen in love with...2009: Ahmadinejad wins reelection by a margin that roughly matches pre-election polls - and demonstrating his huge popularity in the large rural areas of Iran2009: After years of US cross border raids, support of minority ethnic group terrorist attacks inside of Iran, threats of attack to all out war from the US, and outright lies repeated in the media attributed to Ahmadinejad by the US media and intellegence agencies, to trying to manufacture US outrage with dummy Twitter and other social media accounts.2009: KDawson posts "Best Handset For Freedom?
" on SlashdotThe Shark, it has been jumped.Can we put the fake outrage to rest now.
Yes it was a gold mine for Karma whores, but it's time for the US to give what every one of 'our Iranian brothers and sisters' wants - for the US to leave them the fuck alone.Not too much to ask now is it?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407173</id>
	<title>Handset for Freedom</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245514380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>   TOR, (The Onion Router) may be useful to build a path out to the wider internet. Some form of peer to peer networking could also be good, obviates the necessity of going through spied on servers. All of these could be placed (or may be already, I don't own one) on an Android handset, and that could be something the governments in oppressive countries will start checking for.</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; This period of turbulence in the world may actually prove to be a benefit for freedom, if some people will unclench their fist.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>TOR , ( The Onion Router ) may be useful to build a path out to the wider internet .
Some form of peer to peer networking could also be good , obviates the necessity of going through spied on servers .
All of these could be placed ( or may be already , I do n't own one ) on an Android handset , and that could be something the governments in oppressive countries will start checking for .
      This period of turbulence in the world may actually prove to be a benefit for freedom , if some people will unclench their fist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>   TOR, (The Onion Router) may be useful to build a path out to the wider internet.
Some form of peer to peer networking could also be good, obviates the necessity of going through spied on servers.
All of these could be placed (or may be already, I don't own one) on an Android handset, and that could be something the governments in oppressive countries will start checking for.
      This period of turbulence in the world may actually prove to be a benefit for freedom, if some people will unclench their fist.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408503</id>
	<title>Ah, the crypto jerkers strike again</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245614400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The crypto jerker dreams that if the secret police capture you with communication they can't read they will let you go.</p><p>Reality is they just kill you with all the others and dump you in the massgrave you were forced to dig.</p><p>Read up on freenet and their dreams of how it is supposed to get info out of places like Korea.</p><p>Then think for a second about WW2 style radios transmissions from occupied europe to england. Were the germans intrested in decoding the messages? Sure. But do you for a moment think that ANYONE caught simply by triangulating the radio broadcast was let go if the messages couldn't be decoded? If you do, then you are an idiot.</p><p>those with sense will see the failure of a so called darknet. It only works in a free society. In a dictatorship ANY form of non-approved communication is illegal and the ISP you use, have to use, with a darknet will simply report unknown communication on any port and track it to their customer database.</p><p>If the crypto jerkers are right,then explain this. If having a "secure" phone is supposed to keep you safe, how can people be killed who do not even HAVE a phone. Like the simply passerby who was killed by british police during a protest?</p><p>The pen might be mightier then the sword, but a goon squad beats any encryption. Or more accurately, beats anyone using encryption, with a wrench.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The crypto jerker dreams that if the secret police capture you with communication they ca n't read they will let you go.Reality is they just kill you with all the others and dump you in the massgrave you were forced to dig.Read up on freenet and their dreams of how it is supposed to get info out of places like Korea.Then think for a second about WW2 style radios transmissions from occupied europe to england .
Were the germans intrested in decoding the messages ?
Sure. But do you for a moment think that ANYONE caught simply by triangulating the radio broadcast was let go if the messages could n't be decoded ?
If you do , then you are an idiot.those with sense will see the failure of a so called darknet .
It only works in a free society .
In a dictatorship ANY form of non-approved communication is illegal and the ISP you use , have to use , with a darknet will simply report unknown communication on any port and track it to their customer database.If the crypto jerkers are right,then explain this .
If having a " secure " phone is supposed to keep you safe , how can people be killed who do not even HAVE a phone .
Like the simply passerby who was killed by british police during a protest ? The pen might be mightier then the sword , but a goon squad beats any encryption .
Or more accurately , beats anyone using encryption , with a wrench .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The crypto jerker dreams that if the secret police capture you with communication they can't read they will let you go.Reality is they just kill you with all the others and dump you in the massgrave you were forced to dig.Read up on freenet and their dreams of how it is supposed to get info out of places like Korea.Then think for a second about WW2 style radios transmissions from occupied europe to england.
Were the germans intrested in decoding the messages?
Sure. But do you for a moment think that ANYONE caught simply by triangulating the radio broadcast was let go if the messages couldn't be decoded?
If you do, then you are an idiot.those with sense will see the failure of a so called darknet.
It only works in a free society.
In a dictatorship ANY form of non-approved communication is illegal and the ISP you use, have to use, with a darknet will simply report unknown communication on any port and track it to their customer database.If the crypto jerkers are right,then explain this.
If having a "secure" phone is supposed to keep you safe, how can people be killed who do not even HAVE a phone.
Like the simply passerby who was killed by british police during a protest?The pen might be mightier then the sword, but a goon squad beats any encryption.
Or more accurately, beats anyone using encryption, with a wrench.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407607</id>
	<title>60 Minutes Anti-Iranian Propganda</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245518460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onNzrNEFs1E" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onNzrNEFs1E</a> [youtube.com]</p><p>That footage is not of some no-name blog playing ideological games. That footage is from what massive number of US citizens consider the most respected journalists on TV.</p><p>US citizens barking out outrage right on que like a trained animal is not the least bit shocking.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = onNzrNEFs1E [ youtube.com ] That footage is not of some no-name blog playing ideological games .
That footage is from what massive number of US citizens consider the most respected journalists on TV.US citizens barking out outrage right on que like a trained animal is not the least bit shocking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=onNzrNEFs1E [youtube.com]That footage is not of some no-name blog playing ideological games.
That footage is from what massive number of US citizens consider the most respected journalists on TV.US citizens barking out outrage right on que like a trained animal is not the least bit shocking.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407333</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28414203</id>
	<title>Re:There's only one obvious choice...</title>
	<author>johndmartiniii</author>
	<datestamp>1245584160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yes, Openmoko is the obvious choice. Unfortunately, the project died because everyone complained about silly aspects. Whether or not it worked as a phone was immaterial. It could do all sorts of things AND it would also work as a phone (if not fully at present, then in the future).

Ah well.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes , Openmoko is the obvious choice .
Unfortunately , the project died because everyone complained about silly aspects .
Whether or not it worked as a phone was immaterial .
It could do all sorts of things AND it would also work as a phone ( if not fully at present , then in the future ) .
Ah well .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes, Openmoko is the obvious choice.
Unfortunately, the project died because everyone complained about silly aspects.
Whether or not it worked as a phone was immaterial.
It could do all sorts of things AND it would also work as a phone (if not fully at present, then in the future).
Ah well.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407143</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408529</id>
	<title>Plausible deniability?</title>
	<author>OriginalSolver</author>
	<datestamp>1245614700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Regimes like that don't get a little thing like evidence get in the way of them keeping control.  Anyone caught with a handset which can be traced to subversive messages in deep doodoo.  Their relatives and friends probably are too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Regimes like that do n't get a little thing like evidence get in the way of them keeping control .
Anyone caught with a handset which can be traced to subversive messages in deep doodoo .
Their relatives and friends probably are too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Regimes like that don't get a little thing like evidence get in the way of them keeping control.
Anyone caught with a handset which can be traced to subversive messages in deep doodoo.
Their relatives and friends probably are too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28416705</id>
	<title>Re:idiots</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245605100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Considering that the Iranian Governments own satellite news station gives excellent, and generally less biased, coverage of the situation, why don't the Western Media just use their footage ?<br>It's all very well to bleat of Iranian censorship but ignore the ACTUAL vision that the Iranians themselves are showing, but to pretend that the only footage is "secretly" forwarded by "freedom fighters" is just disingenuous.<br>Apparently the Western Media is not interested in facts, only the US version of events and the potential to further de-stabilize Iran.<br>It's interesting that Germany has called for a recount of the Iranian election but were silent on the last 2 US elections where recounts were demanded but ignored in the US itself.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Considering that the Iranian Governments own satellite news station gives excellent , and generally less biased , coverage of the situation , why do n't the Western Media just use their footage ? It 's all very well to bleat of Iranian censorship but ignore the ACTUAL vision that the Iranians themselves are showing , but to pretend that the only footage is " secretly " forwarded by " freedom fighters " is just disingenuous.Apparently the Western Media is not interested in facts , only the US version of events and the potential to further de-stabilize Iran.It 's interesting that Germany has called for a recount of the Iranian election but were silent on the last 2 US elections where recounts were demanded but ignored in the US itself .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Considering that the Iranian Governments own satellite news station gives excellent, and generally less biased, coverage of the situation, why don't the Western Media just use their footage ?It's all very well to bleat of Iranian censorship but ignore the ACTUAL vision that the Iranians themselves are showing, but to pretend that the only footage is "secretly" forwarded by "freedom fighters" is just disingenuous.Apparently the Western Media is not interested in facts, only the US version of events and the potential to further de-stabilize Iran.It's interesting that Germany has called for a recount of the Iranian election but were silent on the last 2 US elections where recounts were demanded but ignored in the US itself.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408701</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407347</id>
	<title>OLPC or video camera</title>
	<author>maxwells\_deamon</author>
	<datestamp>1245516180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>not sure how traceable this would be. could you spoof the mac address.</p><p>I would also be more likely to film things with one of the very cheap usb video cameras and upload at an internet cafe.  not sure how trackable they are, and the quality is not going to be what you get with a Flip or something like that but you could buy with cash, film and toss if need be</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>not sure how traceable this would be .
could you spoof the mac address.I would also be more likely to film things with one of the very cheap usb video cameras and upload at an internet cafe .
not sure how trackable they are , and the quality is not going to be what you get with a Flip or something like that but you could buy with cash , film and toss if need be</tokentext>
<sentencetext>not sure how traceable this would be.
could you spoof the mac address.I would also be more likely to film things with one of the very cheap usb video cameras and upload at an internet cafe.
not sure how trackable they are, and the quality is not going to be what you get with a Flip or something like that but you could buy with cash, film and toss if need be</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28413439</id>
	<title>Re:Open source smart phone</title>
	<author>supernova\_hq</author>
	<datestamp>1245577800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You mention not being able to audit the Nokia N line. Are you also including the N770/N800/N810 models? They all run maemo, which is open except for a few drivers. Not only that, but people have run debian and ubuntu-jaunty-remix on them. I even saw a tutorial to put KDE on the existing maemo base (removing hildon).

The N810 is not a cellphone (no gsm/cdma chip), but it still have wifi/bluetooth with skype,etc pre-installed and the physical keyboard is very nice to have.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You mention not being able to audit the Nokia N line .
Are you also including the N770/N800/N810 models ?
They all run maemo , which is open except for a few drivers .
Not only that , but people have run debian and ubuntu-jaunty-remix on them .
I even saw a tutorial to put KDE on the existing maemo base ( removing hildon ) .
The N810 is not a cellphone ( no gsm/cdma chip ) , but it still have wifi/bluetooth with skype,etc pre-installed and the physical keyboard is very nice to have .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mention not being able to audit the Nokia N line.
Are you also including the N770/N800/N810 models?
They all run maemo, which is open except for a few drivers.
Not only that, but people have run debian and ubuntu-jaunty-remix on them.
I even saw a tutorial to put KDE on the existing maemo base (removing hildon).
The N810 is not a cellphone (no gsm/cdma chip), but it still have wifi/bluetooth with skype,etc pre-installed and the physical keyboard is very nice to have.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407175</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408681</id>
	<title>Re:</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245617040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We are forgetting the internal communications of Iran.  They may not be able to use "external" sources like Twitter, or Facebook, or etc..... I imagine there are thousands of "internal" sites within the Iranian internal infrastuctue that are providing the communications.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We are forgetting the internal communications of Iran .
They may not be able to use " external " sources like Twitter , or Facebook , or etc..... I imagine there are thousands of " internal " sites within the Iranian internal infrastuctue that are providing the communications .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We are forgetting the internal communications of Iran.
They may not be able to use "external" sources like Twitter, or Facebook, or etc..... I imagine there are thousands of "internal" sites within the Iranian internal infrastuctue that are providing the communications.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408609</id>
	<title>Moderators, Are you kidding?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245615960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Moderators, I hate you.  Parent is INFORMATIVE.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Moderators , I hate you .
Parent is INFORMATIVE .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Moderators, I hate you.
Parent is INFORMATIVE.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407199</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407555</id>
	<title>US intelligence agencies monitor this stuff.</title>
	<author>Ungrounded Lightning</author>
	<datestamp>1245518040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The best handset for freedom will also be the best handset for terrorism.</i></p><p>As I understand it (not being affiliated with them but only observing reports on the open media):</p><p>The US intelligence agencies monitor cellphones in the middle east and other areas of interest from satellites.  (They definitely tap GSM phones and it would be silly if they didn't tap satellite phones as well.)  This was used to map out terrorist networks, using both voice intercepts and traffic analysis (including one they got a big break on because a major message forwarder swapped smartcards in a single handset for the calls to each of his contacts - he didn't know that the phone also sent its own i.d. as well as that of the smartcard.)  Eventually the terrorists figured out cellphones were compromised and moved off them entirely.</p><p>Given that the US has this ability but is unlikely to share info from it with a regime it exposes, few others have anything like it (for the next few years at least), cellphones hacked for security might be useful for resistance movements (that aren't opposed by a major space-capable power) and boobytraps for terrorists.  I'd guess that will continue to be the case for at least another decade or so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The best handset for freedom will also be the best handset for terrorism.As I understand it ( not being affiliated with them but only observing reports on the open media ) : The US intelligence agencies monitor cellphones in the middle east and other areas of interest from satellites .
( They definitely tap GSM phones and it would be silly if they did n't tap satellite phones as well .
) This was used to map out terrorist networks , using both voice intercepts and traffic analysis ( including one they got a big break on because a major message forwarder swapped smartcards in a single handset for the calls to each of his contacts - he did n't know that the phone also sent its own i.d .
as well as that of the smartcard .
) Eventually the terrorists figured out cellphones were compromised and moved off them entirely.Given that the US has this ability but is unlikely to share info from it with a regime it exposes , few others have anything like it ( for the next few years at least ) , cellphones hacked for security might be useful for resistance movements ( that are n't opposed by a major space-capable power ) and boobytraps for terrorists .
I 'd guess that will continue to be the case for at least another decade or so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best handset for freedom will also be the best handset for terrorism.As I understand it (not being affiliated with them but only observing reports on the open media):The US intelligence agencies monitor cellphones in the middle east and other areas of interest from satellites.
(They definitely tap GSM phones and it would be silly if they didn't tap satellite phones as well.
)  This was used to map out terrorist networks, using both voice intercepts and traffic analysis (including one they got a big break on because a major message forwarder swapped smartcards in a single handset for the calls to each of his contacts - he didn't know that the phone also sent its own i.d.
as well as that of the smartcard.
)  Eventually the terrorists figured out cellphones were compromised and moved off them entirely.Given that the US has this ability but is unlikely to share info from it with a regime it exposes, few others have anything like it (for the next few years at least), cellphones hacked for security might be useful for resistance movements (that aren't opposed by a major space-capable power) and boobytraps for terrorists.
I'd guess that will continue to be the case for at least another decade or so.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407183</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407331</id>
	<title>Idea about sending old digital cameras</title>
	<author>FleaPlus</author>
	<datestamp>1245516000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>On a related note, earlier today I was wondering if it would be useful if it would be useful to send old digital cameras to places like Iran and other regions where oppression is occurring (perhaps distributed by international media offices?). Just counting myself, I have 3-4 pocket-size digital cameras which are sitting around collecting dust. As a result, many more of the protesters and bystanders would have cameras, and would be able to capture evidence of violence and oppression. Even if they don't have internet proxy access (or a computer), they could give their memory card to someone who does have one. Of course, there's already some <a href="http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/06/iranian-regime-shoots-woman-protester.html" title="blogspot.com">videos being leaked out</a> [blogspot.com] (NOTE: videos are quite graphic) in defiance of the regime, but increasing the number of available photos and videos by an order of magnitude or two would be a game-changer.</p><p>Of course, I have no idea how you'd go about starting to organize something like that, but I wanted to seed the idea in case it's worthwhile.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>On a related note , earlier today I was wondering if it would be useful if it would be useful to send old digital cameras to places like Iran and other regions where oppression is occurring ( perhaps distributed by international media offices ? ) .
Just counting myself , I have 3-4 pocket-size digital cameras which are sitting around collecting dust .
As a result , many more of the protesters and bystanders would have cameras , and would be able to capture evidence of violence and oppression .
Even if they do n't have internet proxy access ( or a computer ) , they could give their memory card to someone who does have one .
Of course , there 's already some videos being leaked out [ blogspot.com ] ( NOTE : videos are quite graphic ) in defiance of the regime , but increasing the number of available photos and videos by an order of magnitude or two would be a game-changer.Of course , I have no idea how you 'd go about starting to organize something like that , but I wanted to seed the idea in case it 's worthwhile .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On a related note, earlier today I was wondering if it would be useful if it would be useful to send old digital cameras to places like Iran and other regions where oppression is occurring (perhaps distributed by international media offices?).
Just counting myself, I have 3-4 pocket-size digital cameras which are sitting around collecting dust.
As a result, many more of the protesters and bystanders would have cameras, and would be able to capture evidence of violence and oppression.
Even if they don't have internet proxy access (or a computer), they could give their memory card to someone who does have one.
Of course, there's already some videos being leaked out [blogspot.com] (NOTE: videos are quite graphic) in defiance of the regime, but increasing the number of available photos and videos by an order of magnitude or two would be a game-changer.Of course, I have no idea how you'd go about starting to organize something like that, but I wanted to seed the idea in case it's worthwhile.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408139</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom or terrorism</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245523800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>One mans freedom fighter is some other mans terrorist. Nothing new in that.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>One mans freedom fighter is some other mans terrorist .
Nothing new in that .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>One mans freedom fighter is some other mans terrorist.
Nothing new in that.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407183</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407409</id>
	<title>Re:There's only one obvious choice...</title>
	<author>plover</author>
	<datestamp>1245516840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a dissident, the better choice would probably be a stolen phone!  Going to jail for stealing a phone will get you simple prison time and probably a beating or two.  Going to jail for spying and sending videos to Western Agents could get you disappeared.  Having an openmoko phone would be highly suspicious from a technology point of view (although it would probably be easy enough to hide stuff in from a bunch of police thugs.)</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a dissident , the better choice would probably be a stolen phone !
Going to jail for stealing a phone will get you simple prison time and probably a beating or two .
Going to jail for spying and sending videos to Western Agents could get you disappeared .
Having an openmoko phone would be highly suspicious from a technology point of view ( although it would probably be easy enough to hide stuff in from a bunch of police thugs .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a dissident, the better choice would probably be a stolen phone!
Going to jail for stealing a phone will get you simple prison time and probably a beating or two.
Going to jail for spying and sending videos to Western Agents could get you disappeared.
Having an openmoko phone would be highly suspicious from a technology point of view (although it would probably be easy enough to hide stuff in from a bunch of police thugs.
)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407143</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28409301</id>
	<title>Re:Are you kidding?</title>
	<author>RichiH</author>
	<datestamp>1245581820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Knowing how both work, you definitely want the AK. Though I would prefer the AK 74 (or the after 2000 models) over the AK 47. Smaller rounds means you can carry more with you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Knowing how both work , you definitely want the AK .
Though I would prefer the AK 74 ( or the after 2000 models ) over the AK 47 .
Smaller rounds means you can carry more with you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Knowing how both work, you definitely want the AK.
Though I would prefer the AK 74 (or the after 2000 models) over the AK 47.
Smaller rounds means you can carry more with you.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407199</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408207</id>
	<title>Forget Truecrypt</title>
	<author>niteshifter</author>
	<datestamp>1245524580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Of course, some sort of plausible deniability encryption a la Truecrypt would also be good, in case the secret police catch you with your phone.</p></div><p>Truecrypt - a product I'm right fond of and use - isn't going to be able to stand up to the cryptanalysis that some police forces will bring to bear. Their notion of plausible deniability differs: They'll believe you're telling the truth just before (or just after) your death by acts of torture.</p><p>I think a blend of well established practice and tech will serve them better. In the form of microSD passed hand to hand or via drops. They're small, elude most metal detectors and can easily hidden or easily disposed of should the need arise.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , some sort of plausible deniability encryption a la Truecrypt would also be good , in case the secret police catch you with your phone.Truecrypt - a product I 'm right fond of and use - is n't going to be able to stand up to the cryptanalysis that some police forces will bring to bear .
Their notion of plausible deniability differs : They 'll believe you 're telling the truth just before ( or just after ) your death by acts of torture.I think a blend of well established practice and tech will serve them better .
In the form of microSD passed hand to hand or via drops .
They 're small , elude most metal detectors and can easily hidden or easily disposed of should the need arise .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, some sort of plausible deniability encryption a la Truecrypt would also be good, in case the secret police catch you with your phone.Truecrypt - a product I'm right fond of and use - isn't going to be able to stand up to the cryptanalysis that some police forces will bring to bear.
Their notion of plausible deniability differs: They'll believe you're telling the truth just before (or just after) your death by acts of torture.I think a blend of well established practice and tech will serve them better.
In the form of microSD passed hand to hand or via drops.
They're small, elude most metal detectors and can easily hidden or easily disposed of should the need arise.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407137</id>
	<title>What else might we need?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245513960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SCUD Wifi...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SCUD Wifi.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SCUD Wifi...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28413733</id>
	<title>Re:Are you kidding?</title>
	<author>malraid</author>
	<datestamp>1245580080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well, they used to say that in soviet russia having a typewriter required a license, but not an AK-47.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , they used to say that in soviet russia having a typewriter required a license , but not an AK-47 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, they used to say that in soviet russia having a typewriter required a license, but not an AK-47.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407199</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408951</id>
	<title>Re:Are you kidding?</title>
	<author>Neoprofin</author>
	<datestamp>1245577620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You may be a bit confused, the outrage is in support of free democratic elections for people who want a basic amount of self determination, Mousavi just happens to be their candidate of choice.<br>
<br>

I doubt most people abroad are actually terribly fond of him, hence the tagline "Where is my Vote?" not "Got Mousavi?"</htmltext>
<tokenext>You may be a bit confused , the outrage is in support of free democratic elections for people who want a basic amount of self determination , Mousavi just happens to be their candidate of choice .
I doubt most people abroad are actually terribly fond of him , hence the tagline " Where is my Vote ?
" not " Got Mousavi ?
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You may be a bit confused, the outrage is in support of free democratic elections for people who want a basic amount of self determination, Mousavi just happens to be their candidate of choice.
I doubt most people abroad are actually terribly fond of him, hence the tagline "Where is my Vote?
" not "Got Mousavi?
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407333</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407181</id>
	<title>Satellite Phone</title>
	<author>TFer\_Atvar</author>
	<datestamp>1245514500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>If you're worried about censorship, there's no better choice than a satellite phone. They're continuing to drop in price, you're not limited to a terrestrial cellular network, and many models can be tethered to provide Internet access. The big problem for non-Western countries (where they'd be most useful) is the cost, of course. In general terms -- there are cheaper options -- airtime is $1 per minute, and bandwidth also is pricey. Still, they'd be perfect in a circumstance like what's going on in Iran right now, or for any sort of major disaster.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you 're worried about censorship , there 's no better choice than a satellite phone .
They 're continuing to drop in price , you 're not limited to a terrestrial cellular network , and many models can be tethered to provide Internet access .
The big problem for non-Western countries ( where they 'd be most useful ) is the cost , of course .
In general terms -- there are cheaper options -- airtime is $ 1 per minute , and bandwidth also is pricey .
Still , they 'd be perfect in a circumstance like what 's going on in Iran right now , or for any sort of major disaster .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you're worried about censorship, there's no better choice than a satellite phone.
They're continuing to drop in price, you're not limited to a terrestrial cellular network, and many models can be tethered to provide Internet access.
The big problem for non-Western countries (where they'd be most useful) is the cost, of course.
In general terms -- there are cheaper options -- airtime is $1 per minute, and bandwidth also is pricey.
Still, they'd be perfect in a circumstance like what's going on in Iran right now, or for any sort of major disaster.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408287</id>
	<title>Re:There's only one obvious choice...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245525300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> But consider what would happen if the secret police catch an Iranian rioter with a FreeRunner. For me it might be better to carry a cheap commodity dumb phone. For secure communication use a simple voice code committed to memory. Send messages by voice or SM</p></div></blockquote><p>

Have pity on him for having such a bad phone?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But consider what would happen if the secret police catch an Iranian rioter with a FreeRunner .
For me it might be better to carry a cheap commodity dumb phone .
For secure communication use a simple voice code committed to memory .
Send messages by voice or SM Have pity on him for having such a bad phone ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext> But consider what would happen if the secret police catch an Iranian rioter with a FreeRunner.
For me it might be better to carry a cheap commodity dumb phone.
For secure communication use a simple voice code committed to memory.
Send messages by voice or SM

Have pity on him for having such a bad phone?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407227</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28409337</id>
	<title>Re:Satellite Phone</title>
	<author>blind biker</author>
	<datestamp>1245582540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Mod parent up: sat phones, while expensive, are the perfect tool for this (and a few other) job. Unless the Ayatollah puts a fine-grained Faraday cage all over Iran, there is no way to stop or trace satellite phone communications by the Iran regime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Mod parent up : sat phones , while expensive , are the perfect tool for this ( and a few other ) job .
Unless the Ayatollah puts a fine-grained Faraday cage all over Iran , there is no way to stop or trace satellite phone communications by the Iran regime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mod parent up: sat phones, while expensive, are the perfect tool for this (and a few other) job.
Unless the Ayatollah puts a fine-grained Faraday cage all over Iran, there is no way to stop or trace satellite phone communications by the Iran regime.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407181</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28409495</id>
	<title>Disingenous</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245584460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You seem to forget that carrying any phone rigged for freedom would be a punishable offense in itself in countries like Iran. You assume the theocracy would give a rats ass about things like plausible deniability.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You seem to forget that carrying any phone rigged for freedom would be a punishable offense in itself in countries like Iran .
You assume the theocracy would give a rats ass about things like plausible deniability .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You seem to forget that carrying any phone rigged for freedom would be a punishable offense in itself in countries like Iran.
You assume the theocracy would give a rats ass about things like plausible deniability.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407365</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom or terrorism</title>
	<author>Comatose51</author>
	<datestamp>1245516360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That's a risk I'm willing to take...</p><p>Know what else is good for terrorists?  Oxygen and water.  Fighting terrorism isn't the end-all-be-all of our priorities.  In fact, the flu and cars kill more American annually than terrorists.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That 's a risk I 'm willing to take...Know what else is good for terrorists ?
Oxygen and water .
Fighting terrorism is n't the end-all-be-all of our priorities .
In fact , the flu and cars kill more American annually than terrorists .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That's a risk I'm willing to take...Know what else is good for terrorists?
Oxygen and water.
Fighting terrorism isn't the end-all-be-all of our priorities.
In fact, the flu and cars kill more American annually than terrorists.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407183</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28410569</id>
	<title>Documenting your own oppression, torture and death</title>
	<author>dweebasaurus max</author>
	<datestamp>1245598260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Seems beside the point to me somehow.   A loser strategy.  What about surviving?  Political triumph would be nice, but let's be realistic:  The Iranian government and their apparati do not wish to "Take Counsel with the Governed" which it says right in the pages of the Holy Quran itself you're supposed to do and is wisely, but not widely, interpreted to be a basis for some measure of democratic input to governance. ISLAMIC FAIL.  Mohammed (pbuh) would hit the roof over this kind of bull-crap.

Besides filming yourself being beaten to death, may I suggest a cell-phone shadow network?  Build cell phone servers that will accept any message from any phone without interrogating the SIMM card, and rebroadcast it on WiFi.  Build them into cars.  Arrange for a mesh of access points.  Then when the "authorities" bring down communications networks, you have your own, ready to go.  You could co-ordinate crowd tactics that way....</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems beside the point to me somehow .
A loser strategy .
What about surviving ?
Political triumph would be nice , but let 's be realistic : The Iranian government and their apparati do not wish to " Take Counsel with the Governed " which it says right in the pages of the Holy Quran itself you 're supposed to do and is wisely , but not widely , interpreted to be a basis for some measure of democratic input to governance .
ISLAMIC FAIL .
Mohammed ( pbuh ) would hit the roof over this kind of bull-crap .
Besides filming yourself being beaten to death , may I suggest a cell-phone shadow network ?
Build cell phone servers that will accept any message from any phone without interrogating the SIMM card , and rebroadcast it on WiFi .
Build them into cars .
Arrange for a mesh of access points .
Then when the " authorities " bring down communications networks , you have your own , ready to go .
You could co-ordinate crowd tactics that way... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems beside the point to me somehow.
A loser strategy.
What about surviving?
Political triumph would be nice, but let's be realistic:  The Iranian government and their apparati do not wish to "Take Counsel with the Governed" which it says right in the pages of the Holy Quran itself you're supposed to do and is wisely, but not widely, interpreted to be a basis for some measure of democratic input to governance.
ISLAMIC FAIL.
Mohammed (pbuh) would hit the roof over this kind of bull-crap.
Besides filming yourself being beaten to death, may I suggest a cell-phone shadow network?
Build cell phone servers that will accept any message from any phone without interrogating the SIMM card, and rebroadcast it on WiFi.
Build them into cars.
Arrange for a mesh of access points.
Then when the "authorities" bring down communications networks, you have your own, ready to go.
You could co-ordinate crowd tactics that way....</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28490409</id>
	<title>Re:Open source smart phone</title>
	<author>rhyre417</author>
	<datestamp>1246025940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In addition to the 'locked firmware' problem, "Telephone" implies that there is a centralized "telephone network" that can be<br>surveilled and/or attacked, making for a short revolution.</p><p>Wireless device have an interesting property. They can communicate with ANY compatible device within range, as long as it is programmed correctly. Why depend on "the man" (who is typically government regulated, or depends on 'retroactive immunity' in the US), if you don't have to.</p><p>Just be more decentralized in your thinking. 10 years ago there was a great gadget called a 'Cybiko', which ran on unlicensed<br>900 Mhz frequencies, but you could program on your own.  The device went through several hardware generations, but doesn't exist any more. It even had an interesting 'walking talkie' application, which converted your voice to a digital signal and sent it to other Cybikos within RF range.</p><p>No cell network required.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In addition to the 'locked firmware ' problem , " Telephone " implies that there is a centralized " telephone network " that can besurveilled and/or attacked , making for a short revolution.Wireless device have an interesting property .
They can communicate with ANY compatible device within range , as long as it is programmed correctly .
Why depend on " the man " ( who is typically government regulated , or depends on 'retroactive immunity ' in the US ) , if you do n't have to.Just be more decentralized in your thinking .
10 years ago there was a great gadget called a 'Cybiko ' , which ran on unlicensed900 Mhz frequencies , but you could program on your own .
The device went through several hardware generations , but does n't exist any more .
It even had an interesting 'walking talkie ' application , which converted your voice to a digital signal and sent it to other Cybikos within RF range.No cell network required .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In addition to the 'locked firmware' problem, "Telephone" implies that there is a centralized "telephone network" that can besurveilled and/or attacked, making for a short revolution.Wireless device have an interesting property.
They can communicate with ANY compatible device within range, as long as it is programmed correctly.
Why depend on "the man" (who is typically government regulated, or depends on 'retroactive immunity' in the US), if you don't have to.Just be more decentralized in your thinking.
10 years ago there was a great gadget called a 'Cybiko', which ran on unlicensed900 Mhz frequencies, but you could program on your own.
The device went through several hardware generations, but doesn't exist any more.
It even had an interesting 'walking talkie' application, which converted your voice to a digital signal and sent it to other Cybikos within RF range.No cell network required.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408171</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28409601</id>
	<title>Re:idiots</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1245586320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What you want to do is put moderately bad material (eg. porn) on the outside layer, so they'll think that's what you're trying to hide and stop there. Or, you could set up a three layer truecrypt. Nobody expects three layers (except maybe the Spanish Inquisition)</htmltext>
<tokenext>What you want to do is put moderately bad material ( eg .
porn ) on the outside layer , so they 'll think that 's what you 're trying to hide and stop there .
Or , you could set up a three layer truecrypt .
Nobody expects three layers ( except maybe the Spanish Inquisition )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What you want to do is put moderately bad material (eg.
porn) on the outside layer, so they'll think that's what you're trying to hide and stop there.
Or, you could set up a three layer truecrypt.
Nobody expects three layers (except maybe the Spanish Inquisition)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408701</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28422633</id>
	<title>Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth</title>
	<author>JustJenFelice</author>
	<datestamp>1245687060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is such an overly simplistic, naive comment that I don't even know where to start.</p><p>If the Iranians are so in "love" with this "brutal Islamic theocracy", then why are they taking to the streets by the thousands, risking death, fighting for the reform candidate?</p><p>I am in no way saying that the people have clean hands when it comes to their current predicament, but there are many, <em>many</em> other forces at play here.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>If the overwhelming majority of Iranians (like the overwhelming majority of Poles) truly support democracy, human rights, and peace with Israel, then a liberal Western democracy will arise -- without any violence.</p></div><p>This is easily the most deluded, asinine statement that I have ever read on Slashdot.  As if there is some magic check-list that, once met, the peace fairy will visit your nation and all will be right with the world.</p><p>Look back through history...are there <em>any</em> representative democracies (assuming that this is what you were referencing in "liberal Western democracy" that arose without bloodshed, pain and suffering?  America? Nope. France? Anywhere in Europe? Not even close...the evolution of democracy in Europe (and the rest of the world) was a direct result of wars, revolutions, and other socioeconomic pressures.  To imply otherwise is foolish</p><p>While I fully agree that America should keep its bloody, "nation-building" hands off of Iran (as should the rest of the world), this kindergarten concept of "if they want democracy it will happen" is disingenuous.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is such an overly simplistic , naive comment that I do n't even know where to start.If the Iranians are so in " love " with this " brutal Islamic theocracy " , then why are they taking to the streets by the thousands , risking death , fighting for the reform candidate ? I am in no way saying that the people have clean hands when it comes to their current predicament , but there are many , many other forces at play here.If the overwhelming majority of Iranians ( like the overwhelming majority of Poles ) truly support democracy , human rights , and peace with Israel , then a liberal Western democracy will arise -- without any violence.This is easily the most deluded , asinine statement that I have ever read on Slashdot .
As if there is some magic check-list that , once met , the peace fairy will visit your nation and all will be right with the world.Look back through history...are there any representative democracies ( assuming that this is what you were referencing in " liberal Western democracy " that arose without bloodshed , pain and suffering ?
America ? Nope .
France ? Anywhere in Europe ?
Not even close...the evolution of democracy in Europe ( and the rest of the world ) was a direct result of wars , revolutions , and other socioeconomic pressures .
To imply otherwise is foolishWhile I fully agree that America should keep its bloody , " nation-building " hands off of Iran ( as should the rest of the world ) , this kindergarten concept of " if they want democracy it will happen " is disingenuous .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is such an overly simplistic, naive comment that I don't even know where to start.If the Iranians are so in "love" with this "brutal Islamic theocracy", then why are they taking to the streets by the thousands, risking death, fighting for the reform candidate?I am in no way saying that the people have clean hands when it comes to their current predicament, but there are many, many other forces at play here.If the overwhelming majority of Iranians (like the overwhelming majority of Poles) truly support democracy, human rights, and peace with Israel, then a liberal Western democracy will arise -- without any violence.This is easily the most deluded, asinine statement that I have ever read on Slashdot.
As if there is some magic check-list that, once met, the peace fairy will visit your nation and all will be right with the world.Look back through history...are there any representative democracies (assuming that this is what you were referencing in "liberal Western democracy" that arose without bloodshed, pain and suffering?
America? Nope.
France? Anywhere in Europe?
Not even close...the evolution of democracy in Europe (and the rest of the world) was a direct result of wars, revolutions, and other socioeconomic pressures.
To imply otherwise is foolishWhile I fully agree that America should keep its bloody, "nation-building" hands off of Iran (as should the rest of the world), this kindergarten concept of "if they want democracy it will happen" is disingenuous.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407515</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407863</id>
	<title>Re:Fake US Outrage Has Jumped The Shark</title>
	<author>bertoelcon</author>
	<datestamp>1245520740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wait you mean the US is NOT supposed to keep other countries subdued under the guise of safety? That argument has good logic and reason behind it, not something the "majority" of us Americans excel in.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait you mean the US is NOT supposed to keep other countries subdued under the guise of safety ?
That argument has good logic and reason behind it , not something the " majority " of us Americans excel in .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait you mean the US is NOT supposed to keep other countries subdued under the guise of safety?
That argument has good logic and reason behind it, not something the "majority" of us Americans excel in.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407435</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407451</id>
	<title>Re:Open source smart phone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245517200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can setup IPSec VPNs with my phone and route calls through the VPN using only the software that came packaged with my smartphone.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I can setup IPSec VPNs with my phone and route calls through the VPN using only the software that came packaged with my smartphone .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can setup IPSec VPNs with my phone and route calls through the VPN using only the software that came packaged with my smartphone.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407175</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28409591</id>
	<title>Meraki looks promising</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245586200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If enough people would get behind products like those at http://meraki.com/, then a phone that supports wi-fi (like the <a href="http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo\_FreeRunner" title="openmoko.org" rel="nofollow">FreeRunner</a> [openmoko.org]) would do the trick. However I think the government holds us back on this front by limiting the output power we can transmit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If enough people would get behind products like those at http : //meraki.com/ , then a phone that supports wi-fi ( like the FreeRunner [ openmoko.org ] ) would do the trick .
However I think the government holds us back on this front by limiting the output power we can transmit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If enough people would get behind products like those at http://meraki.com/, then a phone that supports wi-fi (like the FreeRunner [openmoko.org]) would do the trick.
However I think the government holds us back on this front by limiting the output power we can transmit.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407151</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407455</id>
	<title>Re:Open source smart phone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245517200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought Blackberries can have all points of communication encrypted? Isn't that what was done for President Obama's device?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought Blackberries can have all points of communication encrypted ?
Is n't that what was done for President Obama 's device ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought Blackberries can have all points of communication encrypted?
Isn't that what was done for President Obama's device?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407175</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407333</id>
	<title>Re:Are you kidding?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245516060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Seeing how the election has gone so far"</p><p>Let me guess...you heard about that from one of those Twitter accounts that totally aren't run by US intelligence agencies.</p><p>Anyway, what more proof does anyone need? The Iranian elections were run by fucking IRANIANS. Never trust fucking IRANIANS, the're goddamn foreigners.</p><p>Regardless, it is nice to see US citizens showing their support for riots in support of Mousavi - you know the guy how supported the US hostage taking back in the 1970s.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Seeing how the election has gone so far " Let me guess...you heard about that from one of those Twitter accounts that totally are n't run by US intelligence agencies.Anyway , what more proof does anyone need ?
The Iranian elections were run by fucking IRANIANS .
Never trust fucking IRANIANS , the 're goddamn foreigners.Regardless , it is nice to see US citizens showing their support for riots in support of Mousavi - you know the guy how supported the US hostage taking back in the 1970s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Seeing how the election has gone so far"Let me guess...you heard about that from one of those Twitter accounts that totally aren't run by US intelligence agencies.Anyway, what more proof does anyone need?
The Iranian elections were run by fucking IRANIANS.
Never trust fucking IRANIANS, the're goddamn foreigners.Regardless, it is nice to see US citizens showing their support for riots in support of Mousavi - you know the guy how supported the US hostage taking back in the 1970s.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407199</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408963</id>
	<title>Punk/Net</title>
	<author>scurvyj</author>
	<datestamp>1245577740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The ideas and the tech have been around for decades and now they are cheap enough.  Let's take it back boys.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The ideas and the tech have been around for decades and now they are cheap enough .
Let 's take it back boys .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ideas and the tech have been around for decades and now they are cheap enough.
Let's take it back boys.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28412513</id>
	<title>Re:US intelligence agencies monitor this stuff.</title>
	<author>greyhueofdoubt</author>
	<datestamp>1245613380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Satellites, not so much. King Airs equipped with special ELINT equipment, on the other hand, are very popular and effective within the U.S. intel forces. I've had the pleasure of working on some of them. The problem with this is that flying unmarked King Airs over Tehran would be very conspicuous.</p><p>-b</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Satellites , not so much .
King Airs equipped with special ELINT equipment , on the other hand , are very popular and effective within the U.S. intel forces .
I 've had the pleasure of working on some of them .
The problem with this is that flying unmarked King Airs over Tehran would be very conspicuous.-b</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Satellites, not so much.
King Airs equipped with special ELINT equipment, on the other hand, are very popular and effective within the U.S. intel forces.
I've had the pleasure of working on some of them.
The problem with this is that flying unmarked King Airs over Tehran would be very conspicuous.-b</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407555</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407227</id>
	<title>Re:There's only one obvious choice...</title>
	<author>MichaelSmith</author>
	<datestamp>1245514980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>But consider what would happen if the secret police catch an Iranian rioter with a FreeRunner. For me it might be better to carry a cheap commodity dumb phone. For secure communication use a simple voice code committed to memory. Send messages by voice or SMS. Relay through an innocent cutout. Somebody who you legitimately would talk to, but who can't be easily be pulled in for questioning.</htmltext>
<tokenext>But consider what would happen if the secret police catch an Iranian rioter with a FreeRunner .
For me it might be better to carry a cheap commodity dumb phone .
For secure communication use a simple voice code committed to memory .
Send messages by voice or SMS .
Relay through an innocent cutout .
Somebody who you legitimately would talk to , but who ca n't be easily be pulled in for questioning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But consider what would happen if the secret police catch an Iranian rioter with a FreeRunner.
For me it might be better to carry a cheap commodity dumb phone.
For secure communication use a simple voice code committed to memory.
Send messages by voice or SMS.
Relay through an innocent cutout.
Somebody who you legitimately would talk to, but who can't be easily be pulled in for questioning.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407143</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408005</id>
	<title>Democracy</title>
	<author>michaelmalak</author>
	<datestamp>1245522180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Let's see, the Iranian people can choose between a cronyistic theocrat or a puppet of the U.S. elite.  Sound familiar?<p>The best phone would be one that prevented the Iranian people from getting so worked up over sham elections in the first place -- and that's probably no phone at all.</p><p>Knowledge is power, and knowledge doesn't come from SMS (although, on rare occasions, <a href="http://www.information-management.com/infodirect/20070323/1079089-1.html" title="informatio...gement.com">data</a> [informatio...gement.com] might).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let 's see , the Iranian people can choose between a cronyistic theocrat or a puppet of the U.S. elite. Sound familiar ? The best phone would be one that prevented the Iranian people from getting so worked up over sham elections in the first place -- and that 's probably no phone at all.Knowledge is power , and knowledge does n't come from SMS ( although , on rare occasions , data [ informatio...gement.com ] might ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let's see, the Iranian people can choose between a cronyistic theocrat or a puppet of the U.S. elite.  Sound familiar?The best phone would be one that prevented the Iranian people from getting so worked up over sham elections in the first place -- and that's probably no phone at all.Knowledge is power, and knowledge doesn't come from SMS (although, on rare occasions, data [informatio...gement.com] might).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407143</id>
	<title>There's only one obvious choice...</title>
	<author>MrCrassic</author>
	<datestamp>1245514080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>...and that choice is the <a href="http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo\_FreeRunner" title="openmoko.org">Neo FreeRunner</a> [openmoko.org].<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:p
<br> <br>
Or, for a more capable cell phone, I would believe that any phone with Android would do.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and that choice is the Neo FreeRunner [ openmoko.org ] .
: p Or , for a more capable cell phone , I would believe that any phone with Android would do .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and that choice is the Neo FreeRunner [openmoko.org].
:p
 
Or, for a more capable cell phone, I would believe that any phone with Android would do.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28410011</id>
	<title>Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth</title>
	<author>s0litaire</author>
	<datestamp>1245592860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>ermm you're missing the HUGE "elephant in the room". <p>The UK and the USA backed and funded a CIA engineered coup d&#226;(TM)&#195;&#169;tat which overthrew the elected government in the late 50's and stuck in a friendly "shah", who then turned around and made Iran the dictatorship we know and love today.(all because Iran, at the time, wanted to nationalise its Oil industry for the good of it's people and the US and UK didn't like that (since their huge oil companies would not be able to get at the Oil!)...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>ermm you 're missing the HUGE " elephant in the room " .
The UK and the USA backed and funded a CIA engineered coup d   ( TM )     tat which overthrew the elected government in the late 50 's and stuck in a friendly " shah " , who then turned around and made Iran the dictatorship we know and love today .
( all because Iran , at the time , wanted to nationalise its Oil industry for the good of it 's people and the US and UK did n't like that ( since their huge oil companies would not be able to get at the Oil !
) .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>ermm you're missing the HUGE "elephant in the room".
The UK and the USA backed and funded a CIA engineered coup dâ(TM)Ã©tat which overthrew the elected government in the late 50's and stuck in a friendly "shah", who then turned around and made Iran the dictatorship we know and love today.
(all because Iran, at the time, wanted to nationalise its Oil industry for the good of it's people and the US and UK didn't like that (since their huge oil companies would not be able to get at the Oil!
)...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407515</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408171</id>
	<title>Re:Open source smart phone</title>
	<author>david.given</author>
	<datestamp>1245524220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>With these criteria, I can recommend the T-Mobile G1. I compiled my own OS image...</p></div><p>I doubt that. If you had, you wouldn't be able to make phone calls on it. The GSM stack runs on its own processor core, has its own closed-source operating system shipped as a binary blob, cannot be upgraded without the encryption key that they won't give you, and for excellent regulatory reasons even if you did have the key, turning the radio on while running unauthorized firmware would get you beaten to death by lawyers.

</p><p>Sure, you can run your own code on the applications processor, but let's face it, any modern electronics device is full if little (and not-so-little) processors running lots of code that you have no access to. You simply have no idea what any of that stuff is doing. Auditing the code running on the apps processor is a start, but no more than a start.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>With these criteria , I can recommend the T-Mobile G1 .
I compiled my own OS image...I doubt that .
If you had , you would n't be able to make phone calls on it .
The GSM stack runs on its own processor core , has its own closed-source operating system shipped as a binary blob , can not be upgraded without the encryption key that they wo n't give you , and for excellent regulatory reasons even if you did have the key , turning the radio on while running unauthorized firmware would get you beaten to death by lawyers .
Sure , you can run your own code on the applications processor , but let 's face it , any modern electronics device is full if little ( and not-so-little ) processors running lots of code that you have no access to .
You simply have no idea what any of that stuff is doing .
Auditing the code running on the apps processor is a start , but no more than a start .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With these criteria, I can recommend the T-Mobile G1.
I compiled my own OS image...I doubt that.
If you had, you wouldn't be able to make phone calls on it.
The GSM stack runs on its own processor core, has its own closed-source operating system shipped as a binary blob, cannot be upgraded without the encryption key that they won't give you, and for excellent regulatory reasons even if you did have the key, turning the radio on while running unauthorized firmware would get you beaten to death by lawyers.
Sure, you can run your own code on the applications processor, but let's face it, any modern electronics device is full if little (and not-so-little) processors running lots of code that you have no access to.
You simply have no idea what any of that stuff is doing.
Auditing the code running on the apps processor is a start, but no more than a start.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407175</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28412457</id>
	<title>Re:For true freedom</title>
	<author>greyhueofdoubt</author>
	<datestamp>1245612960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The matching *head*set has been causing problems with beta testers, though...</p><p>-b</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The matching * head * set has been causing problems with beta testers , though...-b</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The matching *head*set has been causing problems with beta testers, though...-b</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408471</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407635</id>
	<title>The Grotesquely Ugly Truth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245518760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the absence of an external interfering force (e. g., the army of the Soviet Union), the fate of a nation is determined by its people. Period.
<p>
After the Kremlin exited Eastern Europe, the peoples of each nation in Eastern Europe rapidly established a genuine democracy and a free market. Except for Romania (where its people killed their dictator), there was no violence.
</p><p>
In Iran (and many other failed states), no external force is imposing the current brutal government on the Iranians. The folks running the government are Iranian. The president is Iranian. The secret police are Iranian. The thugs who will torture and kill democracy advocates are Iranian.
</p><p>
If the democracy advocates attempt to establish a genuine democracy in Iran, violence will occur. Why? A large percentage of the population supports the brutal government and will kill the democracy advocates.
</p><p>
Let us not merely condemn the Iranian government. We must condemn Iranian culture. Its product is the authoritarian state.
</p><p>
We should not intervene in the current crisis in Iran. If the overwhelming majority of Iranians (like the overwhelming majority of Poles) truly support democracy, human rights, and peace with Israel, then a liberal Western democracy will arise -- without any violence. Right now, the overwhelming majority clearly oppose the creation of a liberal Western democracy. The Iranians love a brutal Islamic theocracy.
</p><p>
The Iranians created this horrible society. It is none of our business unless they attempt to develop nuclear weapons. We in the West are morally justified in destroying the nuclear-weapons facilities.
</p><p>
Note that, 40 years ago, Vietnam suffered a worse fate (than the Iranians) at the hands of the Americans. They doused large areas of Vietnam with agent orange, poisoning both the land and the people. Yet, the Vietnamese do not channel their energies into seeking revenge (by, e. g., building a nuclear bomb) against the West. Rather, the Vietnamese are diligently modernizing their society. They will reach 1st-world status long before the Iranians.
</p><p>
Cultures are different. Vietnamese culture and Iranian culture are different. The Iranians bear 100\% of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran. We should condemn Iranian culture and the Iranian people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the absence of an external interfering force ( e. g. , the army of the Soviet Union ) , the fate of a nation is determined by its people .
Period . After the Kremlin exited Eastern Europe , the peoples of each nation in Eastern Europe rapidly established a genuine democracy and a free market .
Except for Romania ( where its people killed their dictator ) , there was no violence .
In Iran ( and many other failed states ) , no external force is imposing the current brutal government on the Iranians .
The folks running the government are Iranian .
The president is Iranian .
The secret police are Iranian .
The thugs who will torture and kill democracy advocates are Iranian .
If the democracy advocates attempt to establish a genuine democracy in Iran , violence will occur .
Why ? A large percentage of the population supports the brutal government and will kill the democracy advocates .
Let us not merely condemn the Iranian government .
We must condemn Iranian culture .
Its product is the authoritarian state .
We should not intervene in the current crisis in Iran .
If the overwhelming majority of Iranians ( like the overwhelming majority of Poles ) truly support democracy , human rights , and peace with Israel , then a liberal Western democracy will arise -- without any violence .
Right now , the overwhelming majority clearly oppose the creation of a liberal Western democracy .
The Iranians love a brutal Islamic theocracy .
The Iranians created this horrible society .
It is none of our business unless they attempt to develop nuclear weapons .
We in the West are morally justified in destroying the nuclear-weapons facilities .
Note that , 40 years ago , Vietnam suffered a worse fate ( than the Iranians ) at the hands of the Americans .
They doused large areas of Vietnam with agent orange , poisoning both the land and the people .
Yet , the Vietnamese do not channel their energies into seeking revenge ( by , e. g. , building a nuclear bomb ) against the West .
Rather , the Vietnamese are diligently modernizing their society .
They will reach 1st-world status long before the Iranians .
Cultures are different .
Vietnamese culture and Iranian culture are different .
The Iranians bear 100 \ % of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran .
We should condemn Iranian culture and the Iranian people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the absence of an external interfering force (e. g., the army of the Soviet Union), the fate of a nation is determined by its people.
Period.

After the Kremlin exited Eastern Europe, the peoples of each nation in Eastern Europe rapidly established a genuine democracy and a free market.
Except for Romania (where its people killed their dictator), there was no violence.
In Iran (and many other failed states), no external force is imposing the current brutal government on the Iranians.
The folks running the government are Iranian.
The president is Iranian.
The secret police are Iranian.
The thugs who will torture and kill democracy advocates are Iranian.
If the democracy advocates attempt to establish a genuine democracy in Iran, violence will occur.
Why? A large percentage of the population supports the brutal government and will kill the democracy advocates.
Let us not merely condemn the Iranian government.
We must condemn Iranian culture.
Its product is the authoritarian state.
We should not intervene in the current crisis in Iran.
If the overwhelming majority of Iranians (like the overwhelming majority of Poles) truly support democracy, human rights, and peace with Israel, then a liberal Western democracy will arise -- without any violence.
Right now, the overwhelming majority clearly oppose the creation of a liberal Western democracy.
The Iranians love a brutal Islamic theocracy.
The Iranians created this horrible society.
It is none of our business unless they attempt to develop nuclear weapons.
We in the West are morally justified in destroying the nuclear-weapons facilities.
Note that, 40 years ago, Vietnam suffered a worse fate (than the Iranians) at the hands of the Americans.
They doused large areas of Vietnam with agent orange, poisoning both the land and the people.
Yet, the Vietnamese do not channel their energies into seeking revenge (by, e. g., building a nuclear bomb) against the West.
Rather, the Vietnamese are diligently modernizing their society.
They will reach 1st-world status long before the Iranians.
Cultures are different.
Vietnamese culture and Iranian culture are different.
The Iranians bear 100\% of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran.
We should condemn Iranian culture and the Iranian people.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407143</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408471</id>
	<title>For true freedom</title>
	<author>darth dickinson</author>
	<datestamp>1245527520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The best handset is a M1911.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The best handset is a M1911 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best handset is a M1911.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28409423</id>
	<title>VPN</title>
	<author>Krneki</author>
	<datestamp>1245583620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some mobile carriers do not allow VOIP communication or will charge you extra if you use it. Since you can't use SSH for VOIP (apparently SSH is not intended for UDP) the only solution is a VPN connection.<br><br>So you need a device that is able to create a VPN tunnel before starting a communication, the downside is battery longevity, since having constant 3G connection will eat you battery in no time.<br>The other solution is a pre-paid SIM card, but in most states you won't be able to get one unless you show your ID.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some mobile carriers do not allow VOIP communication or will charge you extra if you use it .
Since you ca n't use SSH for VOIP ( apparently SSH is not intended for UDP ) the only solution is a VPN connection.So you need a device that is able to create a VPN tunnel before starting a communication , the downside is battery longevity , since having constant 3G connection will eat you battery in no time.The other solution is a pre-paid SIM card , but in most states you wo n't be able to get one unless you show your ID .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some mobile carriers do not allow VOIP communication or will charge you extra if you use it.
Since you can't use SSH for VOIP (apparently SSH is not intended for UDP) the only solution is a VPN connection.So you need a device that is able to create a VPN tunnel before starting a communication, the downside is battery longevity, since having constant 3G connection will eat you battery in no time.The other solution is a pre-paid SIM card, but in most states you won't be able to get one unless you show your ID.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28409001</id>
	<title>lol</title>
	<author>edittard</author>
	<datestamp>1245578100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Of course, some sort of plausible deniability encryption a la Truecrypt would also be good, in case the secret police catch you with your phone.</p></div></blockquote><p>I'm sure that will stop them from totally beating the crap out of you.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course , some sort of plausible deniability encryption a la Truecrypt would also be good , in case the secret police catch you with your phone.I 'm sure that will stop them from totally beating the crap out of you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course, some sort of plausible deniability encryption a la Truecrypt would also be good, in case the secret police catch you with your phone.I'm sure that will stop them from totally beating the crap out of you.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408983</id>
	<title>Re:Fake US Outrage Has Jumped The Shark</title>
	<author>Neoprofin</author>
	<datestamp>1245577980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I could agree with the idea that the US media was running this whole war if they hadn't been a week behind in covering it. Why start a conflict if you're going to be outdone in grabbing the ratings? If there's already facebook marches being organized before you report the first story on the war you created you're doing it wrong.<br> <br>

Please repost stating that the protests were created by an alliance of mischievous 4channers and we can talk.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I could agree with the idea that the US media was running this whole war if they had n't been a week behind in covering it .
Why start a conflict if you 're going to be outdone in grabbing the ratings ?
If there 's already facebook marches being organized before you report the first story on the war you created you 're doing it wrong .
Please repost stating that the protests were created by an alliance of mischievous 4channers and we can talk .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I could agree with the idea that the US media was running this whole war if they hadn't been a week behind in covering it.
Why start a conflict if you're going to be outdone in grabbing the ratings?
If there's already facebook marches being organized before you report the first story on the war you created you're doing it wrong.
Please repost stating that the protests were created by an alliance of mischievous 4channers and we can talk.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407435</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28409563</id>
	<title>Re:idiots</title>
	<author>nacturation</author>
	<datestamp>1245585840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you get hauled in by some secret police, you're pretty much screwed regardless of what phone you had.  So wouldn't having a phone with the ability to limit detection be better than one which transmits everything in the clear?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you get hauled in by some secret police , you 're pretty much screwed regardless of what phone you had .
So would n't having a phone with the ability to limit detection be better than one which transmits everything in the clear ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you get hauled in by some secret police, you're pretty much screwed regardless of what phone you had.
So wouldn't having a phone with the ability to limit detection be better than one which transmits everything in the clear?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408701</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28409481</id>
	<title>why kdawson?</title>
	<author>superwiz</author>
	<datestamp>1245584220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Why do they keep this guy around?  I mean, is he anything but a washed up philosopher?  I don't mind a philosopher.  But this is a techno site.  Shouldn't he have some modicum of technical understanding?  If cell phones act as routers, that means that have to constantly (or at least often) maintain a certain level of transmission.  Which means they would have talk-time level of power consumption.  For most phones that's too short.  The passive mode on phones is so low on power consumption because they are mostly just receiving.  Anyone with even a tiny bit of technical knowledge would understand this.  How's is this guy kdawson a slashdot editor?  C'mon.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why do they keep this guy around ?
I mean , is he anything but a washed up philosopher ?
I do n't mind a philosopher .
But this is a techno site .
Should n't he have some modicum of technical understanding ?
If cell phones act as routers , that means that have to constantly ( or at least often ) maintain a certain level of transmission .
Which means they would have talk-time level of power consumption .
For most phones that 's too short .
The passive mode on phones is so low on power consumption because they are mostly just receiving .
Anyone with even a tiny bit of technical knowledge would understand this .
How 's is this guy kdawson a slashdot editor ?
C'mon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why do they keep this guy around?
I mean, is he anything but a washed up philosopher?
I don't mind a philosopher.
But this is a techno site.
Shouldn't he have some modicum of technical understanding?
If cell phones act as routers, that means that have to constantly (or at least often) maintain a certain level of transmission.
Which means they would have talk-time level of power consumption.
For most phones that's too short.
The passive mode on phones is so low on power consumption because they are mostly just receiving.
Anyone with even a tiny bit of technical knowledge would understand this.
How's is this guy kdawson a slashdot editor?
C'mon.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408787</id>
	<title>Re:There's only one obvious choice...</title>
	<author>Klistvud</author>
	<datestamp>1245575640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly! Moreover, there is always the possibility of the government simply SCRAMBLING or even SWITCHING OFF all cells (or WiFi spots, or Internet providers...) on their territory. They could always fall back on some sort of military grade communications, satellites or the like, whereas we, ordinary citizens, could not.</p><p>That makes me think that this is a legislative, not a technological problem. We should pressure the powers that be to let us participate in law-making through public polls or plebiscites. The legal system as it is is extremely obsolete and is expressly made by anyone BUT the people, for anyone BUT the people. THAT'S the front we should be fighting on, methinks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly !
Moreover , there is always the possibility of the government simply SCRAMBLING or even SWITCHING OFF all cells ( or WiFi spots , or Internet providers... ) on their territory .
They could always fall back on some sort of military grade communications , satellites or the like , whereas we , ordinary citizens , could not.That makes me think that this is a legislative , not a technological problem .
We should pressure the powers that be to let us participate in law-making through public polls or plebiscites .
The legal system as it is is extremely obsolete and is expressly made by anyone BUT the people , for anyone BUT the people .
THAT 'S the front we should be fighting on , methinks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly!
Moreover, there is always the possibility of the government simply SCRAMBLING or even SWITCHING OFF all cells (or WiFi spots, or Internet providers...) on their territory.
They could always fall back on some sort of military grade communications, satellites or the like, whereas we, ordinary citizens, could not.That makes me think that this is a legislative, not a technological problem.
We should pressure the powers that be to let us participate in law-making through public polls or plebiscites.
The legal system as it is is extremely obsolete and is expressly made by anyone BUT the people, for anyone BUT the people.
THAT'S the front we should be fighting on, methinks.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407227</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407351</id>
	<title>ham radio</title>
	<author>swell</author>
	<datestamp>1245516240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For now, ham radio is probably the best communication device in times of dexterity.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For now , ham radio is probably the best communication device in times of dexterity .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For now, ham radio is probably the best communication device in times of dexterity.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28409773</id>
	<title>Re:Open source smart phone</title>
	<author>Zero\_\_Kelvin</author>
	<datestamp>1245589020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I doubt that. If you had, you wouldn't be able to make phone calls on it.</p></div> </blockquote><p>Of course an appropriately skilled person can do so.  T-Mobile has pushed all their changes back to the public git repository in the cupcake branch.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I doubt that .
If you had , you would n't be able to make phone calls on it .
Of course an appropriately skilled person can do so .
T-Mobile has pushed all their changes back to the public git repository in the cupcake branch .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I doubt that.
If you had, you wouldn't be able to make phone calls on it.
Of course an appropriately skilled person can do so.
T-Mobile has pushed all their changes back to the public git repository in the cupcake branch.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408171</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408903</id>
	<title>These phone criteria could apply to terrorists too</title>
	<author>drunkenoafoffofb3ta</author>
	<datestamp>1245577140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The answers from slashdot's finest are equally applicable to freedom-wanting Iranians or people wanting to coordinate an attack on, say, americal soldiers in Iraq.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The answers from slashdot 's finest are equally applicable to freedom-wanting Iranians or people wanting to coordinate an attack on , say , americal soldiers in Iraq .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The answers from slashdot's finest are equally applicable to freedom-wanting Iranians or people wanting to coordinate an attack on, say, americal soldiers in Iraq.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408053</id>
	<title>Re:Open source smart phone</title>
	<author>Mjec</author>
	<datestamp>1245522960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I compiled my own OS image, I can run whatever I want (I encrypt ALL data, messages, and calls).</p></div><p>What apps do you use for this? Have you put the image online somewhere?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I compiled my own OS image , I can run whatever I want ( I encrypt ALL data , messages , and calls ) .What apps do you use for this ?
Have you put the image online somewhere ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I compiled my own OS image, I can run whatever I want (I encrypt ALL data, messages, and calls).What apps do you use for this?
Have you put the image online somewhere?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407175</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407695</id>
	<title>Re:The Grotesquely Ugly Truth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245519540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Tell that to Barack Obama.  He went to the middle east and boldly proclaimed, "I reject the view of some in the West that a woman who chooses to cover her hair is somehow less equal".  Yes, women in the West can cover their hair.  And in the middle east, if they choose not to cover their hair, they will be raped and then stoned to death for adultery.  That's the culture, and he wants to pretend that all cultures are equal.  Except perhaps for the Israeli culture.  They need to give their land up to people who hate them and want to kill them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Tell that to Barack Obama .
He went to the middle east and boldly proclaimed , " I reject the view of some in the West that a woman who chooses to cover her hair is somehow less equal " .
Yes , women in the West can cover their hair .
And in the middle east , if they choose not to cover their hair , they will be raped and then stoned to death for adultery .
That 's the culture , and he wants to pretend that all cultures are equal .
Except perhaps for the Israeli culture .
They need to give their land up to people who hate them and want to kill them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Tell that to Barack Obama.
He went to the middle east and boldly proclaimed, "I reject the view of some in the West that a woman who chooses to cover her hair is somehow less equal".
Yes, women in the West can cover their hair.
And in the middle east, if they choose not to cover their hair, they will be raped and then stoned to death for adultery.
That's the culture, and he wants to pretend that all cultures are equal.
Except perhaps for the Israeli culture.
They need to give their land up to people who hate them and want to kill them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407515</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407801</id>
	<title>Re:Are you kidding?</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1245520260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Seeing how the election has gone so far, ummm, an M4 or AK-47?</i></p><p>There is no way an AK-47 will ever be sold on any kind of usage plan. Can you imagine how things would go if a user disputed their statement and didn't like the outcome taking it to the billing department? "What do you mean you're going to charge me for the excess bullets!? I didn't use them that month! Here take them back you scum!" *machine gun fire*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seeing how the election has gone so far , ummm , an M4 or AK-47 ? There is no way an AK-47 will ever be sold on any kind of usage plan .
Can you imagine how things would go if a user disputed their statement and did n't like the outcome taking it to the billing department ?
" What do you mean you 're going to charge me for the excess bullets ! ?
I did n't use them that month !
Here take them back you scum !
" * machine gun fire *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seeing how the election has gone so far, ummm, an M4 or AK-47?There is no way an AK-47 will ever be sold on any kind of usage plan.
Can you imagine how things would go if a user disputed their statement and didn't like the outcome taking it to the billing department?
"What do you mean you're going to charge me for the excess bullets!?
I didn't use them that month!
Here take them back you scum!
" *machine gun fire*</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407199</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28410267</id>
	<title>cryptocam</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245595860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A camera that encrypts photos as soon as they're taken, uploads them to a secure server (with anonymized metadata) and wipes them from memory in a matter of seconds. Then selected photos can be chosen for publishing. This could be very useful for covering political activism anywhere in the world.</p><p>The problem with all encrypted communication is that it singles you out as a "terrist". The only way to avoid this is to make encryption the default in mainstream devices, free (open soft/hardware) or not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A camera that encrypts photos as soon as they 're taken , uploads them to a secure server ( with anonymized metadata ) and wipes them from memory in a matter of seconds .
Then selected photos can be chosen for publishing .
This could be very useful for covering political activism anywhere in the world.The problem with all encrypted communication is that it singles you out as a " terrist " .
The only way to avoid this is to make encryption the default in mainstream devices , free ( open soft/hardware ) or not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A camera that encrypts photos as soon as they're taken, uploads them to a secure server (with anonymized metadata) and wipes them from memory in a matter of seconds.
Then selected photos can be chosen for publishing.
This could be very useful for covering political activism anywhere in the world.The problem with all encrypted communication is that it singles you out as a "terrist".
The only way to avoid this is to make encryption the default in mainstream devices, free (open soft/hardware) or not.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407187</id>
	<title>Just one small problem</title>
	<author>madfilipino</author>
	<datestamp>1245514500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So you get it designed and manufactured and all that fun stuff.... you still need it approved by the government to use on a wireless network.  How are you going to get around that "roadblock" to freedom?  Some backwater country like Iran can say that in order to use it in the country it needs to have an approved "supreme commander shut off switch".</htmltext>
<tokenext>So you get it designed and manufactured and all that fun stuff.... you still need it approved by the government to use on a wireless network .
How are you going to get around that " roadblock " to freedom ?
Some backwater country like Iran can say that in order to use it in the country it needs to have an approved " supreme commander shut off switch " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you get it designed and manufactured and all that fun stuff.... you still need it approved by the government to use on a wireless network.
How are you going to get around that "roadblock" to freedom?
Some backwater country like Iran can say that in order to use it in the country it needs to have an approved "supreme commander shut off switch".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407685</id>
	<title>Re:There's only one obvious choice...</title>
	<author>operator\_error</author>
	<datestamp>1245519420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As others have said, this would probably get everyone killed,<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...but still, the NeoPwn is all open moku, with bigger balls. <a href="http://neopwn.com/" title="neopwn.com">www.neopwn.com</a> [neopwn.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As others have said , this would probably get everyone killed , ...but still , the NeoPwn is all open moku , with bigger balls .
www.neopwn.com [ neopwn.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As others have said, this would probably get everyone killed, ...but still, the NeoPwn is all open moku, with bigger balls.
www.neopwn.com [neopwn.com]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407143</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28409889</id>
	<title>Re:Open source smart phone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245590880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My HP IPaq HW6945 came with encryption. I'm sure others do too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My HP IPaq HW6945 came with encryption .
I 'm sure others do too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My HP IPaq HW6945 came with encryption.
I'm sure others do too.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407175</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407131</id>
	<title>Yeah, right</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245513960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The submitter, Father Thomas Dowd, could give a rat's ass about Iran. <br> <br>

He's trying to get secure phone advice from geeks so that he can relive the moments with his altar boys in the rectory basement without those pesky authorities finding the evidence.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The submitter , Father Thomas Dowd , could give a rat 's ass about Iran .
He 's trying to get secure phone advice from geeks so that he can relive the moments with his altar boys in the rectory basement without those pesky authorities finding the evidence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The submitter, Father Thomas Dowd, could give a rat's ass about Iran.
He's trying to get secure phone advice from geeks so that he can relive the moments with his altar boys in the rectory basement without those pesky authorities finding the evidence.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408869</id>
	<title>Rubbish ....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245576720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>what you need is the Freedom Fries handset.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>what you need is the Freedom Fries handset .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what you need is the Freedom Fries handset.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407143</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407267</id>
	<title>Also, Father Dowd,</title>
	<author>Jane Q. Public</author>
	<datestamp>1245515400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>as much as I hate to say it, also in light of the happenings in Iran:
<br> <br>
Probably the freest kind of cell phone you could have, which the Iranian people do not seem to have, is any cell phone securely taped to a Smith &amp; Wesson.</htmltext>
<tokenext>as much as I hate to say it , also in light of the happenings in Iran : Probably the freest kind of cell phone you could have , which the Iranian people do not seem to have , is any cell phone securely taped to a Smith &amp; Wesson .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>as much as I hate to say it, also in light of the happenings in Iran:
 
Probably the freest kind of cell phone you could have, which the Iranian people do not seem to have, is any cell phone securely taped to a Smith &amp; Wesson.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28410791</id>
	<title>Who is the idiot?</title>
	<author>hey!</author>
	<datestamp>1245600120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The idiot is the person who thinks he can secure liberty <em>for himself alone</em>.</p><p>The time to worry about plausible deniability is <em>before</em> the secret police catch you.  And make sure everyone knows the drill too. In the face of the secret police "individual liberty" has no practical utility.</p><p>Even an oppressive state can't kill <em>everyone</em>.   That's the game going on in the streets of Tehran today.  The protesters want to nucleate into a crowd so big that it can't be dispersed without killing <em>lots</em> of people.  The government doesn't want to do that, because in Iran that means <em>funerals</em>, which are ready made protest rallies. The government wants to keep the crowds isolated and intimidated so that it doesn't end up signing its own death warrant.</p><p>The key to effective oppression is intimidation.  The key to defeating oppression is to gather so many people together they can't be intimidated.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The idiot is the person who thinks he can secure liberty for himself alone.The time to worry about plausible deniability is before the secret police catch you .
And make sure everyone knows the drill too .
In the face of the secret police " individual liberty " has no practical utility.Even an oppressive state ca n't kill everyone .
That 's the game going on in the streets of Tehran today .
The protesters want to nucleate into a crowd so big that it ca n't be dispersed without killing lots of people .
The government does n't want to do that , because in Iran that means funerals , which are ready made protest rallies .
The government wants to keep the crowds isolated and intimidated so that it does n't end up signing its own death warrant.The key to effective oppression is intimidation .
The key to defeating oppression is to gather so many people together they ca n't be intimidated .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The idiot is the person who thinks he can secure liberty for himself alone.The time to worry about plausible deniability is before the secret police catch you.
And make sure everyone knows the drill too.
In the face of the secret police "individual liberty" has no practical utility.Even an oppressive state can't kill everyone.
That's the game going on in the streets of Tehran today.
The protesters want to nucleate into a crowd so big that it can't be dispersed without killing lots of people.
The government doesn't want to do that, because in Iran that means funerals, which are ready made protest rallies.
The government wants to keep the crowds isolated and intimidated so that it doesn't end up signing its own death warrant.The key to effective oppression is intimidation.
The key to defeating oppression is to gather so many people together they can't be intimidated.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408701</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408423</id>
	<title>HUH</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245526860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A lot of this is rubbish..  If you want to organise something without risk of being discovered.. you don't stand on the street corner and shout.. you whisper to trusted friends WHILE GOING ABOUT YOUR NORMAL DUTIES.. that is Hide in plain sight..<br>- Encrypting a conversation on a Phone or email.. may as well be shouting..<br>- Using TOR<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.. you may as well be shouting..  many networks actively block TOR.. or record the machines that are active.. People may not know what your saying.. but they know you are hiding something..<br>Using a stolen Phone: nice try.. but during an uprising.. the owner and the person caught with the phone will be suspect.. and if the phone was used to make a subversive call.. you and the owner will be shot..</p><p>I question much of what I had been hearing about all this..  The red flag was a post from a supposed Iranian who claimed that all  services were being blocked..EVEN SATELLITE TV RECEPTION..  WTF How?  They could jamb the satellite uplink but that would be at international disgust.... local uplink stations -understand them being "controlled" same as local TV stations.. and attempts to jamb foreign TV transmissions.. but the local satellite reception? really.. you could have a go and make it hard for 10 or 15KM then it becomes a very expensive and intensive operation...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A lot of this is rubbish.. If you want to organise something without risk of being discovered.. you do n't stand on the street corner and shout.. you whisper to trusted friends WHILE GOING ABOUT YOUR NORMAL DUTIES.. that is Hide in plain sight..- Encrypting a conversation on a Phone or email.. may as well be shouting..- Using TOR .. you may as well be shouting.. many networks actively block TOR.. or record the machines that are active.. People may not know what your saying.. but they know you are hiding something..Using a stolen Phone : nice try.. but during an uprising.. the owner and the person caught with the phone will be suspect.. and if the phone was used to make a subversive call.. you and the owner will be shot..I question much of what I had been hearing about all this.. The red flag was a post from a supposed Iranian who claimed that all services were being blocked..EVEN SATELLITE TV RECEPTION.. WTF How ?
They could jamb the satellite uplink but that would be at international disgust.... local uplink stations -understand them being " controlled " same as local TV stations.. and attempts to jamb foreign TV transmissions.. but the local satellite reception ?
really.. you could have a go and make it hard for 10 or 15KM then it becomes a very expensive and intensive operation.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A lot of this is rubbish..  If you want to organise something without risk of being discovered.. you don't stand on the street corner and shout.. you whisper to trusted friends WHILE GOING ABOUT YOUR NORMAL DUTIES.. that is Hide in plain sight..- Encrypting a conversation on a Phone or email.. may as well be shouting..- Using TOR .. you may as well be shouting..  many networks actively block TOR.. or record the machines that are active.. People may not know what your saying.. but they know you are hiding something..Using a stolen Phone: nice try.. but during an uprising.. the owner and the person caught with the phone will be suspect.. and if the phone was used to make a subversive call.. you and the owner will be shot..I question much of what I had been hearing about all this..  The red flag was a post from a supposed Iranian who claimed that all  services were being blocked..EVEN SATELLITE TV RECEPTION..  WTF How?
They could jamb the satellite uplink but that would be at international disgust.... local uplink stations -understand them being "controlled" same as local TV stations.. and attempts to jamb foreign TV transmissions.. but the local satellite reception?
really.. you could have a go and make it hard for 10 or 15KM then it becomes a very expensive and intensive operation...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28411435</id>
	<title>Re:Idea about sending old digital cameras</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245605880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; <i>On a related note, earlier today I was wondering if it would be useful if it would be useful to send old digital cameras to places like Iran and other regions where oppression is occurring (perhaps distributed by international media offices?). </i> </p><p>Why do you feel it is necessary to meddle in the affairs of other countries?  Who are you to judge when "oppression" is or is not occuring?</p><p>If you have excess energy, time and financial resources (if you have multiple unused digital cameras, you probably aren't worrying about where your next meal is coming from), why don't you do something that will improve your community?  Act locally.  Given the economic challenges that are facing families across the US, isn't there somewhere that you could volunteer and help your fellow man?  Could you teach children from less-fortunate families how to use computers?</p><p>I live in the US and I am getting tired of our country interfering with the politics of some of the crapholes around the planet.  Why is it up to the US to "step in and do something?" We are not the world's beat cop that has to come running every time another country has a government structure or policy that we don't agree with.  Before you assume that I am some tie-dye wearing hippie, let me assure you that I am not.  I support the men and women of our country who "stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm."  Instead of sticking our nose into situations that are really none of our business (Iran, China, etc.), let's focus on getting our own house in order.</p><p>One other thing:  Judging by the recent news articles on North Korea's desire to pick a fight with the rest of the world, we should be focusing our attention on getting ready to show the DPRK what the sharp end of the stick feels like instead of meddling in Iran's election.</p><p>Instead of collecting digital cameras for shipment to the far side of the planet, please use your energy locally to improve your neighborhood or city.  Encourage others to do so as well.</p><p>Posted anon because I have already modded a few times in this discussion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; On a related note , earlier today I was wondering if it would be useful if it would be useful to send old digital cameras to places like Iran and other regions where oppression is occurring ( perhaps distributed by international media offices ? ) .
Why do you feel it is necessary to meddle in the affairs of other countries ?
Who are you to judge when " oppression " is or is not occuring ? If you have excess energy , time and financial resources ( if you have multiple unused digital cameras , you probably are n't worrying about where your next meal is coming from ) , why do n't you do something that will improve your community ?
Act locally .
Given the economic challenges that are facing families across the US , is n't there somewhere that you could volunteer and help your fellow man ?
Could you teach children from less-fortunate families how to use computers ? I live in the US and I am getting tired of our country interfering with the politics of some of the crapholes around the planet .
Why is it up to the US to " step in and do something ?
" We are not the world 's beat cop that has to come running every time another country has a government structure or policy that we do n't agree with .
Before you assume that I am some tie-dye wearing hippie , let me assure you that I am not .
I support the men and women of our country who " stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm .
" Instead of sticking our nose into situations that are really none of our business ( Iran , China , etc .
) , let 's focus on getting our own house in order.One other thing : Judging by the recent news articles on North Korea 's desire to pick a fight with the rest of the world , we should be focusing our attention on getting ready to show the DPRK what the sharp end of the stick feels like instead of meddling in Iran 's election.Instead of collecting digital cameras for shipment to the far side of the planet , please use your energy locally to improve your neighborhood or city .
Encourage others to do so as well.Posted anon because I have already modded a few times in this discussion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; On a related note, earlier today I was wondering if it would be useful if it would be useful to send old digital cameras to places like Iran and other regions where oppression is occurring (perhaps distributed by international media offices?).
Why do you feel it is necessary to meddle in the affairs of other countries?
Who are you to judge when "oppression" is or is not occuring?If you have excess energy, time and financial resources (if you have multiple unused digital cameras, you probably aren't worrying about where your next meal is coming from), why don't you do something that will improve your community?
Act locally.
Given the economic challenges that are facing families across the US, isn't there somewhere that you could volunteer and help your fellow man?
Could you teach children from less-fortunate families how to use computers?I live in the US and I am getting tired of our country interfering with the politics of some of the crapholes around the planet.
Why is it up to the US to "step in and do something?
" We are not the world's beat cop that has to come running every time another country has a government structure or policy that we don't agree with.
Before you assume that I am some tie-dye wearing hippie, let me assure you that I am not.
I support the men and women of our country who "stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm.
"  Instead of sticking our nose into situations that are really none of our business (Iran, China, etc.
), let's focus on getting our own house in order.One other thing:  Judging by the recent news articles on North Korea's desire to pick a fight with the rest of the world, we should be focusing our attention on getting ready to show the DPRK what the sharp end of the stick feels like instead of meddling in Iran's election.Instead of collecting digital cameras for shipment to the far side of the planet, please use your energy locally to improve your neighborhood or city.
Encourage others to do so as well.Posted anon because I have already modded a few times in this discussion.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407207</id>
	<title>I know what my ideal headset would have.</title>
	<author>DragonTHC</author>
	<datestamp>1245514800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>A nicely shielded tin-foil dome to protect my head meat from the aliens!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A nicely shielded tin-foil dome to protect my head meat from the aliens !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A nicely shielded tin-foil dome to protect my head meat from the aliens!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28410499</id>
	<title>Self destruc button</title>
	<author>deviceb</author>
	<datestamp>1245597840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>with remote detonation via a button inside one of your teeth. -complimented with sidonnie capsule.</htmltext>
<tokenext>with remote detonation via a button inside one of your teeth .
-complimented with sidonnie capsule .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>with remote detonation via a button inside one of your teeth.
-complimented with sidonnie capsule.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407945</id>
	<title>Re:Open source smart phone</title>
	<author>nxtw</author>
	<datestamp>1245521580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also, hackability can be a downside.  If it's easy to replace the bootloader or kernel with a modified and unsigned one from a cold boot, it doesn't matter if the software is secure; attackers can secretly install their modified kernel / bootloader on a device while the owner isn't looking.</p><p>On devices that perform signature checking of firmware updates, this is less of an issue.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also , hackability can be a downside .
If it 's easy to replace the bootloader or kernel with a modified and unsigned one from a cold boot , it does n't matter if the software is secure ; attackers can secretly install their modified kernel / bootloader on a device while the owner is n't looking.On devices that perform signature checking of firmware updates , this is less of an issue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also, hackability can be a downside.
If it's easy to replace the bootloader or kernel with a modified and unsigned one from a cold boot, it doesn't matter if the software is secure; attackers can secretly install their modified kernel / bootloader on a device while the owner isn't looking.On devices that perform signature checking of firmware updates, this is less of an issue.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408689</id>
	<title>what else? netsukuku?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245617100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>maybe that could be interesting... if anyone can put an effort on it<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsukuku" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsukuku</a> [wikipedia.org]<br><a href="http://netsukuku.freaknet.org/?pag=faq" title="freaknet.org" rel="nofollow">http://netsukuku.freaknet.org/?pag=faq</a> [freaknet.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>maybe that could be interesting... if anyone can put an effort on ithttp : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsukuku [ wikipedia.org ] http : //netsukuku.freaknet.org/ ? pag = faq [ freaknet.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>maybe that could be interesting... if anyone can put an effort on ithttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsukuku [wikipedia.org]http://netsukuku.freaknet.org/?pag=faq [freaknet.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407899</id>
	<title>Re:Open source smart phone</title>
	<author>nxtw</author>
	<datestamp>1245521100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>BlackBerries support content encryption, and Windows Mobile supports encrypting the entire user editable partition.  I think the iPhone 3G S may also support device encryption as well.  All support some sort of private channels of communication (SSL with http, imap, smtp, along with VPNs.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>BlackBerries support content encryption , and Windows Mobile supports encrypting the entire user editable partition .
I think the iPhone 3G S may also support device encryption as well .
All support some sort of private channels of communication ( SSL with http , imap , smtp , along with VPNs .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>BlackBerries support content encryption, and Windows Mobile supports encrypting the entire user editable partition.
I think the iPhone 3G S may also support device encryption as well.
All support some sort of private channels of communication (SSL with http, imap, smtp, along with VPNs.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407515</id>
	<title>The Grotesquely Ugly Truth</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245517680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In the absence of an external interfering force (e. g., the army of the Soviet Union), the fate of a nation is determined by its people. Period.
<p>
After the Kremlin exited Eastern Europe, the peoples of each nation in Eastern Europe rapidly established a genuine democracy and a free market. Except for Romania (where its people killed their dictator), there was no violence.
</p><p>
In Iran (and many other failed states), no external force is imposing the current brutal government on the Iranians. The folks running the government are Iranian. The president is Iranian. The secret police are Iranian. The thugs who will torture and kill democracy advocates are Iranian.
</p><p>
If the democracy advocates attempt to establish a genuine democracy in Iran, violence will occur. Why? A large percentage of the population supports the brutal government and will kill the democracy advocates.
</p><p>
Let us not merely condemn the Iranian government. We must condemn Iranian culture. Its product is the authoritarian state.
</p><p>
We should not intervene in the current crisis in Iran. If the overwhelming majority of Iranians (like the overwhelming majority of Poles) truly support democracy, human rights, and peace with Israel, then a liberal Western democracy will arise -- without any violence. Right now, the overwhelming majority clearly oppose the creation of a liberal Western democracy. The Iranians love a brutal Islamic theocracy.
</p><p>
The Iranians created this horrible society. It is none of our business unless they attempt to develop nuclear weapons. We in the West are morally justified in destroying the nuclear-weapons facilities.
</p><p>
Note that, 40 years ago, Vietnam suffered a worse fate (than the Iranians) at the hands of the Americans. They doused large areas of Vietnam with agent orange, poisoning both the land and the people. Yet, the Vietnamese do not channel their energies into seeking revenge (by, e. g., building a nuclear bomb) against the West. Rather, the Vietnamese are diligently modernizing their society. They will reach 1st-world status long before the Iranians.
</p><p>
Cultures are different. Vietnamese culture and Iranian culture are different. The Iranians bear 100\% of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran. We should condemn Iranian culture and its people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In the absence of an external interfering force ( e. g. , the army of the Soviet Union ) , the fate of a nation is determined by its people .
Period . After the Kremlin exited Eastern Europe , the peoples of each nation in Eastern Europe rapidly established a genuine democracy and a free market .
Except for Romania ( where its people killed their dictator ) , there was no violence .
In Iran ( and many other failed states ) , no external force is imposing the current brutal government on the Iranians .
The folks running the government are Iranian .
The president is Iranian .
The secret police are Iranian .
The thugs who will torture and kill democracy advocates are Iranian .
If the democracy advocates attempt to establish a genuine democracy in Iran , violence will occur .
Why ? A large percentage of the population supports the brutal government and will kill the democracy advocates .
Let us not merely condemn the Iranian government .
We must condemn Iranian culture .
Its product is the authoritarian state .
We should not intervene in the current crisis in Iran .
If the overwhelming majority of Iranians ( like the overwhelming majority of Poles ) truly support democracy , human rights , and peace with Israel , then a liberal Western democracy will arise -- without any violence .
Right now , the overwhelming majority clearly oppose the creation of a liberal Western democracy .
The Iranians love a brutal Islamic theocracy .
The Iranians created this horrible society .
It is none of our business unless they attempt to develop nuclear weapons .
We in the West are morally justified in destroying the nuclear-weapons facilities .
Note that , 40 years ago , Vietnam suffered a worse fate ( than the Iranians ) at the hands of the Americans .
They doused large areas of Vietnam with agent orange , poisoning both the land and the people .
Yet , the Vietnamese do not channel their energies into seeking revenge ( by , e. g. , building a nuclear bomb ) against the West .
Rather , the Vietnamese are diligently modernizing their society .
They will reach 1st-world status long before the Iranians .
Cultures are different .
Vietnamese culture and Iranian culture are different .
The Iranians bear 100 \ % of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran .
We should condemn Iranian culture and its people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In the absence of an external interfering force (e. g., the army of the Soviet Union), the fate of a nation is determined by its people.
Period.

After the Kremlin exited Eastern Europe, the peoples of each nation in Eastern Europe rapidly established a genuine democracy and a free market.
Except for Romania (where its people killed their dictator), there was no violence.
In Iran (and many other failed states), no external force is imposing the current brutal government on the Iranians.
The folks running the government are Iranian.
The president is Iranian.
The secret police are Iranian.
The thugs who will torture and kill democracy advocates are Iranian.
If the democracy advocates attempt to establish a genuine democracy in Iran, violence will occur.
Why? A large percentage of the population supports the brutal government and will kill the democracy advocates.
Let us not merely condemn the Iranian government.
We must condemn Iranian culture.
Its product is the authoritarian state.
We should not intervene in the current crisis in Iran.
If the overwhelming majority of Iranians (like the overwhelming majority of Poles) truly support democracy, human rights, and peace with Israel, then a liberal Western democracy will arise -- without any violence.
Right now, the overwhelming majority clearly oppose the creation of a liberal Western democracy.
The Iranians love a brutal Islamic theocracy.
The Iranians created this horrible society.
It is none of our business unless they attempt to develop nuclear weapons.
We in the West are morally justified in destroying the nuclear-weapons facilities.
Note that, 40 years ago, Vietnam suffered a worse fate (than the Iranians) at the hands of the Americans.
They doused large areas of Vietnam with agent orange, poisoning both the land and the people.
Yet, the Vietnamese do not channel their energies into seeking revenge (by, e. g., building a nuclear bomb) against the West.
Rather, the Vietnamese are diligently modernizing their society.
They will reach 1st-world status long before the Iranians.
Cultures are different.
Vietnamese culture and Iranian culture are different.
The Iranians bear 100\% of the blame for the existence of a tyrannical government in Iran.
We should condemn Iranian culture and its people.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28407199</id>
	<title>Are you kidding?</title>
	<author>rampant mac</author>
	<datestamp>1245514680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>"<i>If the cell phone is the new tool of freedom, what would the best 'freedom handset' contain?</i>"
<p>
Seeing how the election has gone so far, ummm, an M4 or AK-47?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" If the cell phone is the new tool of freedom , what would the best 'freedom handset ' contain ?
" Seeing how the election has gone so far , ummm , an M4 or AK-47 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"If the cell phone is the new tool of freedom, what would the best 'freedom handset' contain?
"

Seeing how the election has gone so far, ummm, an M4 or AK-47?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28408679</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom or terrorism</title>
	<author>srussia</author>
	<datestamp>1245617040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The best handset for freedom will also be the best handset for terrorism.</p></div><p>That's because one man's freedom fighter is someone else's terrorist.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The best handset for freedom will also be the best handset for terrorism.That 's because one man 's freedom fighter is someone else 's terrorist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The best handset for freedom will also be the best handset for terrorism.That's because one man's freedom fighter is someone else's terrorist.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1941213.28411063</id>
	<title>Seriously? "Freedom Handset"?</title>
	<author>Cross-Threaded</author>
	<datestamp>1245602280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have got to be kidding me."<i>Freedom Handset</i>"?</p><p>If people really want to change the situation they are in, they will find a way to communicate their ideas.</p><p>The message is so much more important than the medium used to pass the message.</p><p>The more "security features" you add to a device, the more difficult it is for the message to get out. You have to have a device to send your encoded messages, and whomever you are trying to communicate with needs a device to receive that message.</p><p>I would think that the less complicated you can make the delivery of the message, the better the chance of your message making it to the people that you want to hear it.</p><p>The real "<i>Freedom Handset</i>" should be a <b>Bull-Horn</b>.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have got to be kidding me .
" Freedom Handset " ? If people really want to change the situation they are in , they will find a way to communicate their ideas.The message is so much more important than the medium used to pass the message.The more " security features " you add to a device , the more difficult it is for the message to get out .
You have to have a device to send your encoded messages , and whomever you are trying to communicate with needs a device to receive that message.I would think that the less complicated you can make the delivery of the message , the better the chance of your message making it to the people that you want to hear it.The real " Freedom Handset " should be a Bull-Horn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have got to be kidding me.
"Freedom Handset"?If people really want to change the situation they are in, they will find a way to communicate their ideas.The message is so much more important than the medium used to pass the message.The more "security features" you add to a device, the more difficult it is for the message to get out.
You have to have a device to send your encoded messages, and whomever you are trying to communicate with needs a device to receive that message.I would think that the less complicated you can make the delivery of the message, the better the chance of your message making it to the people that you want to hear it.The real "Freedom Handset" should be a Bull-Horn.</sentencetext>
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