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	<title>German Member of Parliament Joins Pirate Party</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1245501840000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Political Observer writes <i>"<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J\%C3\%B6rg\_Tauss">J&#246;rg Tauss</a>, a member of the German Parliament (Bundestag), left the Social Democratic Party (SPD), which is part of the coalition government, and announced that he is <a href="http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&amp;hl=en&amp;js=n&amp;u=http\%3A\%2F\%2Fwww.tauss.de\%2Findex.php\%3Fnr\%3D26398\%26menu\%3D1&amp;sl=de&amp;tl=en&amp;history\_state0=">joining the German Pirate Party</a> (Google translation; <a href="http://www.tauss.de/index.php?nr=26398&amp;menu=1">original German article</a>). Tauss resigned from the SPD after all but four of the party's members voted for a new censorship law, which <a href="//yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/06/19/047252&amp;tid=153">passed the parliament on Thursday</a>. The law, which aims at reducing child pornography, introduces an infrastructure for DNS-based content blocking and is the subject of major criticism from Internet users. In March 2009 Tauss <a href="http://www.welt.de/english-news/article3336689/More-evidence-surfaces-in-child-pornography-case.html">became the subject of investigations</a> by the German police for possession of child pornographic material. He said he had this material only for research as part of his role as a member of parliament. Investigations are still continuing."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>Political Observer writes " J   rg Tauss , a member of the German Parliament ( Bundestag ) , left the Social Democratic Party ( SPD ) , which is part of the coalition government , and announced that he is joining the German Pirate Party ( Google translation ; original German article ) .
Tauss resigned from the SPD after all but four of the party 's members voted for a new censorship law , which passed the parliament on Thursday .
The law , which aims at reducing child pornography , introduces an infrastructure for DNS-based content blocking and is the subject of major criticism from Internet users .
In March 2009 Tauss became the subject of investigations by the German police for possession of child pornographic material .
He said he had this material only for research as part of his role as a member of parliament .
Investigations are still continuing .
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<sentencetext>Political Observer writes "Jörg Tauss, a member of the German Parliament (Bundestag), left the Social Democratic Party (SPD), which is part of the coalition government, and announced that he is joining the German Pirate Party (Google translation; original German article).
Tauss resigned from the SPD after all but four of the party's members voted for a new censorship law, which passed the parliament on Thursday.
The law, which aims at reducing child pornography, introduces an infrastructure for DNS-based content blocking and is the subject of major criticism from Internet users.
In March 2009 Tauss became the subject of investigations by the German police for possession of child pornographic material.
He said he had this material only for research as part of his role as a member of parliament.
Investigations are still continuing.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406757</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>dissy</author>
	<datestamp>1245510240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>so if i'm a scientist, and i'm doing pharmaceutical research, can i use that as my excuse for a small mountain of cocaine on my coffee table?</p></div><p>What it means is, if cocaine is "bad" but the law outlaws all white powders, then yes having a non-cocaine white powder which is illegal as it violates the cocaine law, would be perfectly fine.  (Yes, for you too!)<br>Throwing everyone in jail who has white powder, under cocaine laws, is BAD (and exactly what happens)</p><p>Using the USA as an example, as I don't know the legal age over there, here it is 18 years old.  Adjust the numbers accordingly for your country...</p><p>If I have pictures of a 17 year 11 month 28 day old girl, and/or next to it a 23 year old girl who looks 17, both of which are illegal under the law and will get me sent to prison as a child porn distributer, that should be fine. (Just like in your example)</p><p>I'm not saying anything about what he does or does not have.  I don't know.  I wasn't there.<br>But when the government claims he had child porn, I have proof that in 99.(high number) percent of the time it is NOT child porn and just a smear campaign, I will firmly side with the idea that "The government just told a horrible life ruining lie" instead of think they have anything to do with child porn.  I have decades and tens of thousands of court cases to back up my default assumption, out of 4-5 that turned out to be real child porn possessors of prepubescent children.</p><p>(This also might be a USA thing too)  Just as when a police officer claims they tasered that 7 year old boy because it was their "last option", i instantly do not believe them.  Under such rare cases would that be the case, that I now dismiss all of them as bullshit, even on that one in a hundred years time it WAS the last option.<br>Here, tasering for no cause happens so many times a day, that there is no possible way for a sane rational human being to believe it.</p><p>As much as I hate people that abuse children, at that ratio, everyone ever arrested for it needs released.<br>That will not do, as real pedophiles need to be in jail.  Thus, to keep tens of thousands of innocent people out of jail, AND to keep real pedophiles in jail, the only solution is to fix the broken laws.  THAT is what needs done.</p><p>The odds are in favor of this man doing nothing wrong, and the government using their ole staple lie to ruin the life of someone they don't like.  The odds they actually managed to catch a real pedophile are too low.</p><p>Unlike you, I will wait for proof to be found.</p></div>
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<tokenext>so if i 'm a scientist , and i 'm doing pharmaceutical research , can i use that as my excuse for a small mountain of cocaine on my coffee table ? What it means is , if cocaine is " bad " but the law outlaws all white powders , then yes having a non-cocaine white powder which is illegal as it violates the cocaine law , would be perfectly fine .
( Yes , for you too !
) Throwing everyone in jail who has white powder , under cocaine laws , is BAD ( and exactly what happens ) Using the USA as an example , as I do n't know the legal age over there , here it is 18 years old .
Adjust the numbers accordingly for your country...If I have pictures of a 17 year 11 month 28 day old girl , and/or next to it a 23 year old girl who looks 17 , both of which are illegal under the law and will get me sent to prison as a child porn distributer , that should be fine .
( Just like in your example ) I 'm not saying anything about what he does or does not have .
I do n't know .
I was n't there.But when the government claims he had child porn , I have proof that in 99 .
( high number ) percent of the time it is NOT child porn and just a smear campaign , I will firmly side with the idea that " The government just told a horrible life ruining lie " instead of think they have anything to do with child porn .
I have decades and tens of thousands of court cases to back up my default assumption , out of 4-5 that turned out to be real child porn possessors of prepubescent children .
( This also might be a USA thing too ) Just as when a police officer claims they tasered that 7 year old boy because it was their " last option " , i instantly do not believe them .
Under such rare cases would that be the case , that I now dismiss all of them as bullshit , even on that one in a hundred years time it WAS the last option.Here , tasering for no cause happens so many times a day , that there is no possible way for a sane rational human being to believe it.As much as I hate people that abuse children , at that ratio , everyone ever arrested for it needs released.That will not do , as real pedophiles need to be in jail .
Thus , to keep tens of thousands of innocent people out of jail , AND to keep real pedophiles in jail , the only solution is to fix the broken laws .
THAT is what needs done.The odds are in favor of this man doing nothing wrong , and the government using their ole staple lie to ruin the life of someone they do n't like .
The odds they actually managed to catch a real pedophile are too low.Unlike you , I will wait for proof to be found .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so if i'm a scientist, and i'm doing pharmaceutical research, can i use that as my excuse for a small mountain of cocaine on my coffee table?What it means is, if cocaine is "bad" but the law outlaws all white powders, then yes having a non-cocaine white powder which is illegal as it violates the cocaine law, would be perfectly fine.
(Yes, for you too!
)Throwing everyone in jail who has white powder, under cocaine laws, is BAD (and exactly what happens)Using the USA as an example, as I don't know the legal age over there, here it is 18 years old.
Adjust the numbers accordingly for your country...If I have pictures of a 17 year 11 month 28 day old girl, and/or next to it a 23 year old girl who looks 17, both of which are illegal under the law and will get me sent to prison as a child porn distributer, that should be fine.
(Just like in your example)I'm not saying anything about what he does or does not have.
I don't know.
I wasn't there.But when the government claims he had child porn, I have proof that in 99.
(high number) percent of the time it is NOT child porn and just a smear campaign, I will firmly side with the idea that "The government just told a horrible life ruining lie" instead of think they have anything to do with child porn.
I have decades and tens of thousands of court cases to back up my default assumption, out of 4-5 that turned out to be real child porn possessors of prepubescent children.
(This also might be a USA thing too)  Just as when a police officer claims they tasered that 7 year old boy because it was their "last option", i instantly do not believe them.
Under such rare cases would that be the case, that I now dismiss all of them as bullshit, even on that one in a hundred years time it WAS the last option.Here, tasering for no cause happens so many times a day, that there is no possible way for a sane rational human being to believe it.As much as I hate people that abuse children, at that ratio, everyone ever arrested for it needs released.That will not do, as real pedophiles need to be in jail.
Thus, to keep tens of thousands of innocent people out of jail, AND to keep real pedophiles in jail, the only solution is to fix the broken laws.
THAT is what needs done.The odds are in favor of this man doing nothing wrong, and the government using their ole staple lie to ruin the life of someone they don't like.
The odds they actually managed to catch a real pedophile are too low.Unlike you, I will wait for proof to be found.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28409877</id>
	<title>Re:Well done</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245590760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt;&gt; If this kind of thing happens more often, the general public might actually get to hear about it.</p><p>The name "Pirate Party" seems to be a black hole in german news. For example the "Tagesschau", german's most important, and most respected TV news show reported about J&#195;rg Tauss' withdrawl from the SPD without mentioning the Pirate Party with a word.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; &gt; If this kind of thing happens more often , the general public might actually get to hear about it.The name " Pirate Party " seems to be a black hole in german news .
For example the " Tagesschau " , german 's most important , and most respected TV news show reported about J   rg Tauss ' withdrawl from the SPD without mentioning the Pirate Party with a word .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt;&gt; If this kind of thing happens more often, the general public might actually get to hear about it.The name "Pirate Party" seems to be a black hole in german news.
For example the "Tagesschau", german's most important, and most respected TV news show reported about JÃrg Tauss' withdrawl from the SPD without mentioning the Pirate Party with a word.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28410619</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>jeti</author>
	<datestamp>1245598680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Germany, child pornography is defined as pornographic material with children of up to 14 years having or witnessing sex. This applies to  real and realistic descriptions in any form, including textual descriptions and drawings. Material concerning teenagers less than 18 years old is called youth pornography.</p><p><a href="http://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/184b.html" title="dejure.org" rel="nofollow">http://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/184b.html</a> [dejure.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Germany , child pornography is defined as pornographic material with children of up to 14 years having or witnessing sex .
This applies to real and realistic descriptions in any form , including textual descriptions and drawings .
Material concerning teenagers less than 18 years old is called youth pornography.http : //dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/184b.html [ dejure.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Germany, child pornography is defined as pornographic material with children of up to 14 years having or witnessing sex.
This applies to  real and realistic descriptions in any form, including textual descriptions and drawings.
Material concerning teenagers less than 18 years old is called youth pornography.http://dejure.org/gesetze/StGB/184b.html [dejure.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28413857</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>Weezul</author>
	<datestamp>1245581100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was pointed out up thread that he quit some anti-pedophile working group with the parliament because that working group was run by politicians engaged in human trafficking and child prostitution, see the Sachsen-Aff&#195;re.  It sounds like he is a whistle blower being punished.  So he moved to a party for young people who read the news.  I don't think the Pirate Party would have accepted his membership if they didn't believe his story.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was pointed out up thread that he quit some anti-pedophile working group with the parliament because that working group was run by politicians engaged in human trafficking and child prostitution , see the Sachsen-Aff   re .
It sounds like he is a whistle blower being punished .
So he moved to a party for young people who read the news .
I do n't think the Pirate Party would have accepted his membership if they did n't believe his story .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was pointed out up thread that he quit some anti-pedophile working group with the parliament because that working group was run by politicians engaged in human trafficking and child prostitution, see the Sachsen-AffÃre.
It sounds like he is a whistle blower being punished.
So he moved to a party for young people who read the news.
I don't think the Pirate Party would have accepted his membership if they didn't believe his story.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28409679</id>
	<title>lucky them</title>
	<author>Kargoroth</author>
	<datestamp>1245587880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i can not help to notice that this MPs "troubles" with the executive will/could provide the rainbow press with another much valued connection piratespedophiles...</htmltext>
<tokenext>i can not help to notice that this MPs " troubles " with the executive will/could provide the rainbow press with another much valued connection piratespedophiles.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i can not help to notice that this MPs "troubles" with the executive will/could provide the rainbow press with another much valued connection piratespedophiles...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406737</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245510000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, I accidentally stumbled upon the R@yG0ld keyword on WinMX many years ago. I found what I thought was a completely legal set of images(if she was under 18, I definitely couldn't tell) so I selected *everything* the user had. Within a few minutes I realized that the keyword didn't mean "barely 18" and damn near vomited when I saw the first image that was clearly not legal; didn't take long for me to wipe it all since I had no way(or determination) to sift through all of them to determine if any of them might be legal. Now I hear that's all that's left on the WinMX network.</p><p>Though what's worse is the naming convention on Usenet where the uploaders think it'll be chic of them to name a pic of an obviously legal girl "15 yrs old.jpg" cause I also used to batch download images from there and about shit myself when I saw filenames like that. Now, I just stick to the obviously legal sites AND if they show a "cougar" then I'm usually sure I'm quite safe..heh</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I accidentally stumbled upon the R @ yG0ld keyword on WinMX many years ago .
I found what I thought was a completely legal set of images ( if she was under 18 , I definitely could n't tell ) so I selected * everything * the user had .
Within a few minutes I realized that the keyword did n't mean " barely 18 " and damn near vomited when I saw the first image that was clearly not legal ; did n't take long for me to wipe it all since I had no way ( or determination ) to sift through all of them to determine if any of them might be legal .
Now I hear that 's all that 's left on the WinMX network.Though what 's worse is the naming convention on Usenet where the uploaders think it 'll be chic of them to name a pic of an obviously legal girl " 15 yrs old.jpg " cause I also used to batch download images from there and about shit myself when I saw filenames like that .
Now , I just stick to the obviously legal sites AND if they show a " cougar " then I 'm usually sure I 'm quite safe..heh</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I accidentally stumbled upon the R@yG0ld keyword on WinMX many years ago.
I found what I thought was a completely legal set of images(if she was under 18, I definitely couldn't tell) so I selected *everything* the user had.
Within a few minutes I realized that the keyword didn't mean "barely 18" and damn near vomited when I saw the first image that was clearly not legal; didn't take long for me to wipe it all since I had no way(or determination) to sift through all of them to determine if any of them might be legal.
Now I hear that's all that's left on the WinMX network.Though what's worse is the naming convention on Usenet where the uploaders think it'll be chic of them to name a pic of an obviously legal girl "15 yrs old.jpg" cause I also used to batch download images from there and about shit myself when I saw filenames like that.
Now, I just stick to the obviously legal sites AND if they show a "cougar" then I'm usually sure I'm quite safe..heh</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406635</id>
	<title>This is NOT good news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245509100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These are the worst news regarding any piracy party i've ever heard.</p><p>A politician who is charged with possesion of child pornography gets outraged with a law trying to combat child pornography, and then goes on to join a party trying to fight against these censorship laws on completely different grounds.</p><p>From this day on, the german Piracy Party will be regarded as a Pervert Party.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These are the worst news regarding any piracy party i 've ever heard.A politician who is charged with possesion of child pornography gets outraged with a law trying to combat child pornography , and then goes on to join a party trying to fight against these censorship laws on completely different grounds.From this day on , the german Piracy Party will be regarded as a Pervert Party .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These are the worst news regarding any piracy party i've ever heard.A politician who is charged with possesion of child pornography gets outraged with a law trying to combat child pornography, and then goes on to join a party trying to fight against these censorship laws on completely different grounds.From this day on, the german Piracy Party will be regarded as a Pervert Party.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28407221</id>
	<title>CP should be freely available to save the children</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245514980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Child molesters should be hunted down, as should people who acquire child porn in a way that it causes more injuries to children (IE: Buys it and people who produce it will gain more motivation to produce more). But people who just download it from peer to peer networks without anyone profitting or getting hurt more because of that download? Hell, it might even prevent some child abusement cases.</p></div><p>Exactly!  If you believe RIAA's theory, then by downloading CP for free you are discouraging the production of CP!</p><p>Think of the number of children that can be saved if everyone spreads CP everywhere so no one will pay for it!  Wouldn't that cause <b>billions</b> of damages to CP producers?  To save children from abuse, the law should mandate the spread of CP instead of making it illegal!</p><p>By making CP illegal and thus creating a monopoly for illegal CP producers, the law could be hurting more children than it presumably saves.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Child molesters should be hunted down , as should people who acquire child porn in a way that it causes more injuries to children ( IE : Buys it and people who produce it will gain more motivation to produce more ) .
But people who just download it from peer to peer networks without anyone profitting or getting hurt more because of that download ?
Hell , it might even prevent some child abusement cases.Exactly !
If you believe RIAA 's theory , then by downloading CP for free you are discouraging the production of CP ! Think of the number of children that can be saved if everyone spreads CP everywhere so no one will pay for it !
Would n't that cause billions of damages to CP producers ?
To save children from abuse , the law should mandate the spread of CP instead of making it illegal ! By making CP illegal and thus creating a monopoly for illegal CP producers , the law could be hurting more children than it presumably saves .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Child molesters should be hunted down, as should people who acquire child porn in a way that it causes more injuries to children (IE: Buys it and people who produce it will gain more motivation to produce more).
But people who just download it from peer to peer networks without anyone profitting or getting hurt more because of that download?
Hell, it might even prevent some child abusement cases.Exactly!
If you believe RIAA's theory, then by downloading CP for free you are discouraging the production of CP!Think of the number of children that can be saved if everyone spreads CP everywhere so no one will pay for it!
Wouldn't that cause billions of damages to CP producers?
To save children from abuse, the law should mandate the spread of CP instead of making it illegal!By making CP illegal and thus creating a monopoly for illegal CP producers, the law could be hurting more children than it presumably saves.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28407461</id>
	<title>And I ThoughtAmerican Politicians Had Brass Balls.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245517260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This new Pirate MP is something else again. This guy is like the cheating husband caught in bed with another woman by his wife who then tells her solemnly: "Honey who you are gonna believe? Me or your own eyes?" Unless he is the most uniquely moral and upstanding politician in the history of politics (possible but unlikely) his <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/1/26/689111/-Gov.-Blagojevich-read-my-diary!" title="dailykos.com" rel="nofollow"> Blagovitch-style explanation </a> [dailykos.com] is an act performed in order to make his party switch seem like an act of principle rather than what it really is: making a virtue of a necessity. Bottom Line: This guy just wants to stay out of jail and keep his seat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This new Pirate MP is something else again .
This guy is like the cheating husband caught in bed with another woman by his wife who then tells her solemnly : " Honey who you are gon na believe ?
Me or your own eyes ?
" Unless he is the most uniquely moral and upstanding politician in the history of politics ( possible but unlikely ) his Blagovitch-style explanation [ dailykos.com ] is an act performed in order to make his party switch seem like an act of principle rather than what it really is : making a virtue of a necessity .
Bottom Line : This guy just wants to stay out of jail and keep his seat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This new Pirate MP is something else again.
This guy is like the cheating husband caught in bed with another woman by his wife who then tells her solemnly: "Honey who you are gonna believe?
Me or your own eyes?
" Unless he is the most uniquely moral and upstanding politician in the history of politics (possible but unlikely) his  Blagovitch-style explanation  [dailykos.com] is an act performed in order to make his party switch seem like an act of principle rather than what it really is: making a virtue of a necessity.
Bottom Line: This guy just wants to stay out of jail and keep his seat.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28410065</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245593580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>4chan only occasionally gets child porn posted on any of its boards, perhaps only as often as a few times a month on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/b/.</p></div></blockquote><p>
In the last few weeks there have been one or two <i>a day</i> and they are running to 150+ posts: because the fucking mods are asleep and/or downloading it all anyway.</p></div>
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<tokenext>4chan only occasionally gets child porn posted on any of its boards , perhaps only as often as a few times a month on /b/ .
In the last few weeks there have been one or two a day and they are running to 150 + posts : because the fucking mods are asleep and/or downloading it all anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>4chan only occasionally gets child porn posted on any of its boards, perhaps only as often as a few times a month on /b/.
In the last few weeks there have been one or two a day and they are running to 150+ posts: because the fucking mods are asleep and/or downloading it all anyway.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28410319</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>drsquare</author>
	<datestamp>1245596280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's impossible not to visit 4chan?</p><p>Btw, no surprise that this article has seen hundreds of child-porn apologists crawl out of the woodwork. Well done Slashdot, you've really excelled yourself again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's impossible not to visit 4chan ? Btw , no surprise that this article has seen hundreds of child-porn apologists crawl out of the woodwork .
Well done Slashdot , you 've really excelled yourself again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's impossible not to visit 4chan?Btw, no surprise that this article has seen hundreds of child-porn apologists crawl out of the woodwork.
Well done Slashdot, you've really excelled yourself again.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406517</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>LainTouko</author>
	<datestamp>1245507840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Quite frankly, unless he's actually paying for it, or otherwise actually contributing to child abuse, I really don't care. Simple possession, if not a completely victimless crime, is certainly very close to being one.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Quite frankly , unless he 's actually paying for it , or otherwise actually contributing to child abuse , I really do n't care .
Simple possession , if not a completely victimless crime , is certainly very close to being one .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quite frankly, unless he's actually paying for it, or otherwise actually contributing to child abuse, I really don't care.
Simple possession, if not a completely victimless crime, is certainly very close to being one.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28407047</id>
	<title>Re:Well done Germany</title>
	<author>YesIAmAScript</author>
	<datestamp>1245512940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How do you arrive at this conclusion? By there being one guy changing parties?</p><p>You're lauding the Germans for their Democracy in response to an article about how most of the government there just voted to put in place internet censorship and a framework for DNS redirection to enforce it?</p><p>Sounds like they are experiencing many of the same problems with the principles of Democracy that many other countries are having.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How do you arrive at this conclusion ?
By there being one guy changing parties ? You 're lauding the Germans for their Democracy in response to an article about how most of the government there just voted to put in place internet censorship and a framework for DNS redirection to enforce it ? Sounds like they are experiencing many of the same problems with the principles of Democracy that many other countries are having .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How do you arrive at this conclusion?
By there being one guy changing parties?You're lauding the Germans for their Democracy in response to an article about how most of the government there just voted to put in place internet censorship and a framework for DNS redirection to enforce it?Sounds like they are experiencing many of the same problems with the principles of Democracy that many other countries are having.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406255</id>
	<title>kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245505800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>  In March 2009 Tauss became the subject of investigations by the German police for possession of child pornographic material. He said he had this material only for research as part of his role as a member of parliament. Investigations are still continuing."</p> </div><p> what? for research? if by research he means being a sadistic pedophile then i can understand that. of course i'm sure he had to force himself to look at these 'researh images' for several hours a day so he can better understand the mind of a pedophile. so if i'm a scientist, and i'm doing pharmaceutical research, can i use that as my excuse for a small mountain of cocaine on my coffee table?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In March 2009 Tauss became the subject of investigations by the German police for possession of child pornographic material .
He said he had this material only for research as part of his role as a member of parliament .
Investigations are still continuing .
" what ?
for research ?
if by research he means being a sadistic pedophile then i can understand that .
of course i 'm sure he had to force himself to look at these 'researh images ' for several hours a day so he can better understand the mind of a pedophile .
so if i 'm a scientist , and i 'm doing pharmaceutical research , can i use that as my excuse for a small mountain of cocaine on my coffee table ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>  In March 2009 Tauss became the subject of investigations by the German police for possession of child pornographic material.
He said he had this material only for research as part of his role as a member of parliament.
Investigations are still continuing.
"  what?
for research?
if by research he means being a sadistic pedophile then i can understand that.
of course i'm sure he had to force himself to look at these 'researh images' for several hours a day so he can better understand the mind of a pedophile.
so if i'm a scientist, and i'm doing pharmaceutical research, can i use that as my excuse for a small mountain of cocaine on my coffee table?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28409199</id>
	<title>Re:Well done</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1245580380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Same in Germany. I can actually see German TV and read german newspapers. Do you think a single news magazine or TV news broadcast spoke a single word about the censorship?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Same in Germany .
I can actually see German TV and read german newspapers .
Do you think a single news magazine or TV news broadcast spoke a single word about the censorship ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Same in Germany.
I can actually see German TV and read german newspapers.
Do you think a single news magazine or TV news broadcast spoke a single word about the censorship?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28409629</id>
	<title>Error in summary</title>
	<author>F-3582</author>
	<datestamp>1245586980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Four members of the coalition opposed the law, i.e. SPD (Tauss's former party) had three people vote against it, CDU (the ones who pushed this<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...thing... through parliament) had one person vote against it (because his daughter, a journalist, probably convinced him).</htmltext>
<tokenext>Four members of the coalition opposed the law , i.e .
SPD ( Tauss 's former party ) had three people vote against it , CDU ( the ones who pushed this ...thing... through parliament ) had one person vote against it ( because his daughter , a journalist , probably convinced him ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Four members of the coalition opposed the law, i.e.
SPD (Tauss's former party) had three people vote against it, CDU (the ones who pushed this ...thing... through parliament) had one person vote against it (because his daughter, a journalist, probably convinced him).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28407781</id>
	<title>Re:UPDATE!</title>
	<author>Kjella</author>
	<datestamp>1245520140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I think it's horrible news and don't understand why they'd want to accept. One of the biggest issues the pirate party has had to fight is "if you got nothing to hide, you got nothing to fear". In Sweden they've spent lots and lots of time that we want privacy by closing the curtains, locking the toilet, writing letters not postcards to convince people this is perfectly normal and mass surveillance is unacceptable. For that it's crucial to come across as being a normal person who values their privacy, not a criminal looking to get away with it. How's this guy going to do that with any sort of credibility while he's being charged with kiddie porn? I'm sorry, but I think this will only hurt the pirate party's reputation around the world, even though they formally have no relation to swedish pirate party.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I think it 's horrible news and do n't understand why they 'd want to accept .
One of the biggest issues the pirate party has had to fight is " if you got nothing to hide , you got nothing to fear " .
In Sweden they 've spent lots and lots of time that we want privacy by closing the curtains , locking the toilet , writing letters not postcards to convince people this is perfectly normal and mass surveillance is unacceptable .
For that it 's crucial to come across as being a normal person who values their privacy , not a criminal looking to get away with it .
How 's this guy going to do that with any sort of credibility while he 's being charged with kiddie porn ?
I 'm sorry , but I think this will only hurt the pirate party 's reputation around the world , even though they formally have no relation to swedish pirate party .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think it's horrible news and don't understand why they'd want to accept.
One of the biggest issues the pirate party has had to fight is "if you got nothing to hide, you got nothing to fear".
In Sweden they've spent lots and lots of time that we want privacy by closing the curtains, locking the toilet, writing letters not postcards to convince people this is perfectly normal and mass surveillance is unacceptable.
For that it's crucial to come across as being a normal person who values their privacy, not a criminal looking to get away with it.
How's this guy going to do that with any sort of credibility while he's being charged with kiddie porn?
I'm sorry, but I think this will only hurt the pirate party's reputation around the world, even though they formally have no relation to swedish pirate party.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28407119</id>
	<title>Re:Ninja party for the win</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245513900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not this shitty flamewar again<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:(</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not this shitty flamewar again : (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not this shitty flamewar again :(</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406217</id>
	<title>Wow, the world IS changing!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245505560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First a black president, and now a pirate party! Amazing!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First a black president , and now a pirate party !
Amazing !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First a black president, and now a pirate party!
Amazing!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28408667</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>PietjeJantje</author>
	<datestamp>1245616800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So you are making the Hans Reiser mistake all over again, are you? How could you, and your upmodders, after all that has happened.
If you talk the talk, murder and child porn are easily brushed aside, it seems.
I think this is disturbing. It is the opposite force of a lynch party where someone is declared guilty without trial.
You don't know this guy, you know nothing about this case, yet you are saying he is innocent.
Would you felt the same if he was a preacher or swimming teacher?</htmltext>
<tokenext>So you are making the Hans Reiser mistake all over again , are you ?
How could you , and your upmodders , after all that has happened .
If you talk the talk , murder and child porn are easily brushed aside , it seems .
I think this is disturbing .
It is the opposite force of a lynch party where someone is declared guilty without trial .
You do n't know this guy , you know nothing about this case , yet you are saying he is innocent .
Would you felt the same if he was a preacher or swimming teacher ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So you are making the Hans Reiser mistake all over again, are you?
How could you, and your upmodders, after all that has happened.
If you talk the talk, murder and child porn are easily brushed aside, it seems.
I think this is disturbing.
It is the opposite force of a lynch party where someone is declared guilty without trial.
You don't know this guy, you know nothing about this case, yet you are saying he is innocent.
Would you felt the same if he was a preacher or swimming teacher?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28409441</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>RichiH</author>
	<datestamp>1245583800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Quite... I still remember a few teachers and friend's mothers who could have molested me all day and the only side effect would have been my perma-grin.</p><p>Though, to be fair, I assume that the "mature woman, pubescent boy" kind of child porn is not significant in proportion to the rest.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Quite... I still remember a few teachers and friend 's mothers who could have molested me all day and the only side effect would have been my perma-grin.Though , to be fair , I assume that the " mature woman , pubescent boy " kind of child porn is not significant in proportion to the rest .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quite... I still remember a few teachers and friend's mothers who could have molested me all day and the only side effect would have been my perma-grin.Though, to be fair, I assume that the "mature woman, pubescent boy" kind of child porn is not significant in proportion to the rest.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28410833</id>
	<title>Re:Why chase pedofiles and not child molesters?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245600480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Have you ever googled, etc. for child porn just to see how easily you can actually find it in the Internet? (...) I have still done that.</p></div></blockquote><p>Umm, that's an <b>incredibly bad idea.</b> CP readily found on the web is virtually guaranteed to be sting material. The FBI in particular are known for operating IP-collection honeypots of this nature.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Have you ever googled , etc .
for child porn just to see how easily you can actually find it in the Internet ?
( ... ) I have still done that.Umm , that 's an incredibly bad idea .
CP readily found on the web is virtually guaranteed to be sting material .
The FBI in particular are known for operating IP-collection honeypots of this nature .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Have you ever googled, etc.
for child porn just to see how easily you can actually find it in the Internet?
(...) I have still done that.Umm, that's an incredibly bad idea.
CP readily found on the web is virtually guaranteed to be sting material.
The FBI in particular are known for operating IP-collection honeypots of this nature.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406323</id>
	<title>Ahhh yes</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245506280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Ahhh yes. The Pete Townshend defence.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Ahhh yes .
The Pete Townshend defence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ahhh yes.
The Pete Townshend defence.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28410981</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>PsychoSlashDot</author>
	<datestamp>1245601560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The guy might actually be a pedophile, given the frequency of occurrence within the population, it'd be shocking if some members of parliament <i>weren't</i> pedophiles</p></div><p>Given that sort of statement, it'd be interesting to know what IS the frequency of occurrence within the population?  And where do you source such a figure?  The mass-media would have us believe that paedos are lurking behind every bush, just waiting for an opportunity to snatch some young innocent.  TV shows create artificial supply of fake willing and encouraging children, then declare capturing a predator as proof that it's all around us.  Yet we have no real solid information on how often children are abused by Internet predators.  The social paedophobia <i>could</i> be complete unjustified.  Don't know.  So please, follow up your intimation of knowing what ratio of the populace are paedos with a citation.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The guy might actually be a pedophile , given the frequency of occurrence within the population , it 'd be shocking if some members of parliament were n't pedophilesGiven that sort of statement , it 'd be interesting to know what IS the frequency of occurrence within the population ?
And where do you source such a figure ?
The mass-media would have us believe that paedos are lurking behind every bush , just waiting for an opportunity to snatch some young innocent .
TV shows create artificial supply of fake willing and encouraging children , then declare capturing a predator as proof that it 's all around us .
Yet we have no real solid information on how often children are abused by Internet predators .
The social paedophobia could be complete unjustified .
Do n't know .
So please , follow up your intimation of knowing what ratio of the populace are paedos with a citation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The guy might actually be a pedophile, given the frequency of occurrence within the population, it'd be shocking if some members of parliament weren't pedophilesGiven that sort of statement, it'd be interesting to know what IS the frequency of occurrence within the population?
And where do you source such a figure?
The mass-media would have us believe that paedos are lurking behind every bush, just waiting for an opportunity to snatch some young innocent.
TV shows create artificial supply of fake willing and encouraging children, then declare capturing a predator as proof that it's all around us.
Yet we have no real solid information on how often children are abused by Internet predators.
The social paedophobia could be complete unjustified.
Don't know.
So please, follow up your intimation of knowing what ratio of the populace are paedos with a citation.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28408527</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245614640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>iirc he had 2CDs and a video on his mobile phone and he did pay for the material. however, considering that he is most likely capable of using tor and darknets it is realistic that he was doing this for research purposes, which of course still doesn't make it legal.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>iirc he had 2CDs and a video on his mobile phone and he did pay for the material .
however , considering that he is most likely capable of using tor and darknets it is realistic that he was doing this for research purposes , which of course still does n't make it legal .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>iirc he had 2CDs and a video on his mobile phone and he did pay for the material.
however, considering that he is most likely capable of using tor and darknets it is realistic that he was doing this for research purposes, which of course still doesn't make it legal.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28409277</id>
	<title>...aims at reducing child pornography?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245581520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It says in the summary, "The law, which aims at reducing child pornography..."</p><p>I do wish people would stop and think before they start typing. In fact, the proponents of the law claim that it is aimed at reducing child pornography. Subtle difference.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It says in the summary , " The law , which aims at reducing child pornography... " I do wish people would stop and think before they start typing .
In fact , the proponents of the law claim that it is aimed at reducing child pornography .
Subtle difference .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It says in the summary, "The law, which aims at reducing child pornography..."I do wish people would stop and think before they start typing.
In fact, the proponents of the law claim that it is aimed at reducing child pornography.
Subtle difference.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28407571</id>
	<title>Re:No one here's buying it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245518160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>it was something like 2 images in a sizable pr0n-pile of otherwise vanilla erotica</p></div></blockquote><p>
And remember, next time you hear a case about someone being charged with having 1000 CP images on their computer, that probably means that they found a single 40 second video clip of CP.  Apparently they consider every video frame to be its own "image" and the charges and penalties are based on the number of images.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it was something like 2 images in a sizable pr0n-pile of otherwise vanilla erotica And remember , next time you hear a case about someone being charged with having 1000 CP images on their computer , that probably means that they found a single 40 second video clip of CP .
Apparently they consider every video frame to be its own " image " and the charges and penalties are based on the number of images .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it was something like 2 images in a sizable pr0n-pile of otherwise vanilla erotica
And remember, next time you hear a case about someone being charged with having 1000 CP images on their computer, that probably means that they found a single 40 second video clip of CP.
Apparently they consider every video frame to be its own "image" and the charges and penalties are based on the number of images.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28407255</id>
	<title>Re:Ninja party for the win</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245515220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ninjas certainly are better, but I don't much care for their <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">health care plan.</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ninjas certainly are better , but I do n't much care for their health care plan .
[ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ninjas certainly are better, but I don't much care for their health care plan.
[wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28408675</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>mqduck</author>
	<datestamp>1245616920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>(Note: for some reason, Slashdot doesn't seem to want to include line breaks in this post)</p><p>Agreed. As a thing-I-can't-think-of-a-name-for, I find it impossible to oppose victimless crimes, such as downloading or viewing child porn. (At least if we agree that it truly is victimless, but I can imagine claims that it isn't, that aren't outside the realm of reason and dispassion. Feel free to ask me, if you care to know.)</p><p>As a psychology student, I find there to be nothing unhealthy, even by official standards (DSM-IV), with curiosity with child porn, any more than with rape fantasies. Humans are so goddamn sexual, we can find almost anything erotic, including things far stranger than prepubescent sex. In my personal opinion, there's nothing wrong with exploring those things. To reiterate, immorality can only be a result of actual harm caused.</p><p>As someone else alluded to, it's probably at least as likely that a person's fantasy is to be the child, rather than the adult. I found a downright brilliant piece of erotica smut that's a fine example of this. I e-mailed the author and he wrote back, but I think I embarrassed him when he realized I wasn't especially interested in his fantasy personally, or in playing it out with him online. Anyway, here it is:<br><a href="http://www.asstr.org/files/Collections/pza/www/stories/Cyberboy/Made\_Myself\_Into\_a\_BoySlave.html" title="asstr.org">http://www.asstr.org/files/Collections/pza/www/stories/Cyberboy/Made\_Myself\_Into\_a\_BoySlave.html</a> [asstr.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>( Note : for some reason , Slashdot does n't seem to want to include line breaks in this post ) Agreed .
As a thing-I-ca n't-think-of-a-name-for , I find it impossible to oppose victimless crimes , such as downloading or viewing child porn .
( At least if we agree that it truly is victimless , but I can imagine claims that it is n't , that are n't outside the realm of reason and dispassion .
Feel free to ask me , if you care to know .
) As a psychology student , I find there to be nothing unhealthy , even by official standards ( DSM-IV ) , with curiosity with child porn , any more than with rape fantasies .
Humans are so goddamn sexual , we can find almost anything erotic , including things far stranger than prepubescent sex .
In my personal opinion , there 's nothing wrong with exploring those things .
To reiterate , immorality can only be a result of actual harm caused.As someone else alluded to , it 's probably at least as likely that a person 's fantasy is to be the child , rather than the adult .
I found a downright brilliant piece of erotica smut that 's a fine example of this .
I e-mailed the author and he wrote back , but I think I embarrassed him when he realized I was n't especially interested in his fantasy personally , or in playing it out with him online .
Anyway , here it is : http : //www.asstr.org/files/Collections/pza/www/stories/Cyberboy/Made \ _Myself \ _Into \ _a \ _BoySlave.html [ asstr.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(Note: for some reason, Slashdot doesn't seem to want to include line breaks in this post)Agreed.
As a thing-I-can't-think-of-a-name-for, I find it impossible to oppose victimless crimes, such as downloading or viewing child porn.
(At least if we agree that it truly is victimless, but I can imagine claims that it isn't, that aren't outside the realm of reason and dispassion.
Feel free to ask me, if you care to know.
)As a psychology student, I find there to be nothing unhealthy, even by official standards (DSM-IV), with curiosity with child porn, any more than with rape fantasies.
Humans are so goddamn sexual, we can find almost anything erotic, including things far stranger than prepubescent sex.
In my personal opinion, there's nothing wrong with exploring those things.
To reiterate, immorality can only be a result of actual harm caused.As someone else alluded to, it's probably at least as likely that a person's fantasy is to be the child, rather than the adult.
I found a downright brilliant piece of erotica smut that's a fine example of this.
I e-mailed the author and he wrote back, but I think I embarrassed him when he realized I wasn't especially interested in his fantasy personally, or in playing it out with him online.
Anyway, here it is:http://www.asstr.org/files/Collections/pza/www/stories/Cyberboy/Made\_Myself\_Into\_a\_BoySlave.html [asstr.org]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406627</id>
	<title>Re:No one here's buying it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245509040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yup sounds kinda suss to me. You don't go and 'download' kiddie porn for 'research'. I just don't see what there is to research - not a politician at least. And if you are a politician *surely* you know the consequences of doing it without informing and getting permission of the authorities.</p><p>The only thing I can imagine that he might've had a good reason is say, he was curious to find out how hard child porn is to find, and just through some search into Google to try to find some and the media made it out like he actually 'downloaded' it.</p><p>Either way, I don't think this is a great thing for the Pirate Party. First I read the headline and thought it'd help legitimize them more in the eyes of the world, however now they'll be thought of as giving refuge to child pornography advocates...or something...</p><p>Could do more damage than good.</p><p>~Jarik</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yup sounds kinda suss to me .
You do n't go and 'download ' kiddie porn for 'research' .
I just do n't see what there is to research - not a politician at least .
And if you are a politician * surely * you know the consequences of doing it without informing and getting permission of the authorities.The only thing I can imagine that he might 've had a good reason is say , he was curious to find out how hard child porn is to find , and just through some search into Google to try to find some and the media made it out like he actually 'downloaded ' it.Either way , I do n't think this is a great thing for the Pirate Party .
First I read the headline and thought it 'd help legitimize them more in the eyes of the world , however now they 'll be thought of as giving refuge to child pornography advocates...or something...Could do more damage than good. ~ Jarik</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yup sounds kinda suss to me.
You don't go and 'download' kiddie porn for 'research'.
I just don't see what there is to research - not a politician at least.
And if you are a politician *surely* you know the consequences of doing it without informing and getting permission of the authorities.The only thing I can imagine that he might've had a good reason is say, he was curious to find out how hard child porn is to find, and just through some search into Google to try to find some and the media made it out like he actually 'downloaded' it.Either way, I don't think this is a great thing for the Pirate Party.
First I read the headline and thought it'd help legitimize them more in the eyes of the world, however now they'll be thought of as giving refuge to child pornography advocates...or something...Could do more damage than good.~Jarik</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28407633</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245518760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In Germany 14-17 year olds count as "youth" rather than "children", under current law, so I suppose the accusation is that this legislator possesses illegal images of people under the age of 14. Otherwise he would actually be facing charges of "youth porn".</p><p>Germany made erotically posed nudes of children illegal again in November 2008, so in fact not all of that material depicts molestation. Those images were fully legal in Germany in 2006-2008 because of a high court case that said they were not sexual abuse so they could not be considered illegal under the former law. I didn't hear about a spike in the number of German child molestations during that time, did you? So it means suggestive images do not necessarily cause molestations, as some people claim.</p><p>People need to be able to independently research claims that there's a "billion dollar" industry that creates these images, and that it's all really as abusive as they claim. These claims were used to make the laws harsher. If you can't verify the claims, what you get is one-sided propaganda. I agree with the suggestion that it should remain illegal to buy the images but legal to view them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In Germany 14-17 year olds count as " youth " rather than " children " , under current law , so I suppose the accusation is that this legislator possesses illegal images of people under the age of 14 .
Otherwise he would actually be facing charges of " youth porn " .Germany made erotically posed nudes of children illegal again in November 2008 , so in fact not all of that material depicts molestation .
Those images were fully legal in Germany in 2006-2008 because of a high court case that said they were not sexual abuse so they could not be considered illegal under the former law .
I did n't hear about a spike in the number of German child molestations during that time , did you ?
So it means suggestive images do not necessarily cause molestations , as some people claim.People need to be able to independently research claims that there 's a " billion dollar " industry that creates these images , and that it 's all really as abusive as they claim .
These claims were used to make the laws harsher .
If you ca n't verify the claims , what you get is one-sided propaganda .
I agree with the suggestion that it should remain illegal to buy the images but legal to view them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In Germany 14-17 year olds count as "youth" rather than "children", under current law, so I suppose the accusation is that this legislator possesses illegal images of people under the age of 14.
Otherwise he would actually be facing charges of "youth porn".Germany made erotically posed nudes of children illegal again in November 2008, so in fact not all of that material depicts molestation.
Those images were fully legal in Germany in 2006-2008 because of a high court case that said they were not sexual abuse so they could not be considered illegal under the former law.
I didn't hear about a spike in the number of German child molestations during that time, did you?
So it means suggestive images do not necessarily cause molestations, as some people claim.People need to be able to independently research claims that there's a "billion dollar" industry that creates these images, and that it's all really as abusive as they claim.
These claims were used to make the laws harsher.
If you can't verify the claims, what you get is one-sided propaganda.
I agree with the suggestion that it should remain illegal to buy the images but legal to view them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28411373</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245605160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dude, i have stopped going to that shithole as much as i used to back in the day, but even i know CP gets posted near enough every damn day.<br>You might miss it, but i certainly see it often, even if said thread only lasts under a minute.<br>Few times a month?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/b/ is filled with it pretty much every morning i have been on for the past 4 years.  (GMT, 0800-1200)<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/v/ just recently began getting spammed by it too.</p><p>In before WHOOSH, screw that stupid "she is over 18" meme, it is old and boring.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dude , i have stopped going to that shithole as much as i used to back in the day , but even i know CP gets posted near enough every damn day.You might miss it , but i certainly see it often , even if said thread only lasts under a minute.Few times a month ?
/b/ is filled with it pretty much every morning i have been on for the past 4 years .
( GMT , 0800-1200 ) /v/ just recently began getting spammed by it too.In before WHOOSH , screw that stupid " she is over 18 " meme , it is old and boring .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dude, i have stopped going to that shithole as much as i used to back in the day, but even i know CP gets posted near enough every damn day.You might miss it, but i certainly see it often, even if said thread only lasts under a minute.Few times a month?
/b/ is filled with it pretty much every morning i have been on for the past 4 years.
(GMT, 0800-1200) /v/ just recently began getting spammed by it too.In before WHOOSH, screw that stupid "she is over 18" meme, it is old and boring.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406493</id>
	<title>Roll up the welcome mat</title>
	<author>Bill\_Royle</author>
	<datestamp>1245507660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah... I'm thinking that the Pirate Party can do without pedophiles.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah... I 'm thinking that the Pirate Party can do without pedophiles .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah... I'm thinking that the Pirate Party can do without pedophiles.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28412709</id>
	<title>Re:Why chase pedofiles and not child molesters?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245615360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Unless we know exact details of the material on his computer, how it got there and most importantly, if anyone profited from that and if anyone got hurt... We know nothing.</p></div></blockquote><p>We know at least one thing: He was in a position to know exatly what the law says about obtaining and possessing child pornography. He must have known that what he was doing was illegal and that even his position as a member of parliament specializing in online rights would not make it legal. So he must be very stupid, to say the least. That, we know.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Unless we know exact details of the material on his computer , how it got there and most importantly , if anyone profited from that and if anyone got hurt... We know nothing.We know at least one thing : He was in a position to know exatly what the law says about obtaining and possessing child pornography .
He must have known that what he was doing was illegal and that even his position as a member of parliament specializing in online rights would not make it legal .
So he must be very stupid , to say the least .
That , we know .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Unless we know exact details of the material on his computer, how it got there and most importantly, if anyone profited from that and if anyone got hurt... We know nothing.We know at least one thing: He was in a position to know exatly what the law says about obtaining and possessing child pornography.
He must have known that what he was doing was illegal and that even his position as a member of parliament specializing in online rights would not make it legal.
So he must be very stupid, to say the least.
That, we know.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28409747</id>
	<title>Re:Why chase pedofiles and not child molesters?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245588720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Besides, I always wonder... Why do people act as if pedophiles were horrible people.</p></div> </blockquote><p>Because people have a natural instinct to protect their children, which causes them to be on lookout for potential dangers for them. This, in turn, causes slight anxiety, which is preyed on by the cynical politicians who are drawn to psychological weaknesses like sharks to blood.</p><p>It's the same thing as with terrorism: politicians and others who want power strive to fan people's fears into full-blown panic, so they are no longer thinking rationally, and can be manipulated easily. Pedophiles are even better boogeymen than terrorists, because the guy who points out he has better chances of being struck by lightning than dying in a terror attack seems brave while a guy - or better yet, a mother - who points out that her children are more likely to be run over by a car than get molested by a stranger can be branded a bad parent.</p><p>Hysteria and lack of rational thinking are considered virtuous when dealing with children, and calm use of reason is seen as callous and irresponsible. The end result is, of course, the same as it's always been: a police state build on the pretext of eradicating witches/jews/communists/terrorists/pedophiles.</p><blockquote><div><p>But people who just download it from peer to peer networks without anyone profitting or getting hurt more because of that download? Hell, it might even prevent some child abusement cases.</p></div> </blockquote><p>Preventing child abuse is not the point of these policies. Enabling censorship and getting votes for it because "it's for the children" is. If anything, increased abuse would be beneficial for the politicians, since it would be something for them to point to and pretend to be fighting against.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Besides , I always wonder... Why do people act as if pedophiles were horrible people .
Because people have a natural instinct to protect their children , which causes them to be on lookout for potential dangers for them .
This , in turn , causes slight anxiety , which is preyed on by the cynical politicians who are drawn to psychological weaknesses like sharks to blood.It 's the same thing as with terrorism : politicians and others who want power strive to fan people 's fears into full-blown panic , so they are no longer thinking rationally , and can be manipulated easily .
Pedophiles are even better boogeymen than terrorists , because the guy who points out he has better chances of being struck by lightning than dying in a terror attack seems brave while a guy - or better yet , a mother - who points out that her children are more likely to be run over by a car than get molested by a stranger can be branded a bad parent.Hysteria and lack of rational thinking are considered virtuous when dealing with children , and calm use of reason is seen as callous and irresponsible .
The end result is , of course , the same as it 's always been : a police state build on the pretext of eradicating witches/jews/communists/terrorists/pedophiles.But people who just download it from peer to peer networks without anyone profitting or getting hurt more because of that download ?
Hell , it might even prevent some child abusement cases .
Preventing child abuse is not the point of these policies .
Enabling censorship and getting votes for it because " it 's for the children " is .
If anything , increased abuse would be beneficial for the politicians , since it would be something for them to point to and pretend to be fighting against .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Besides, I always wonder... Why do people act as if pedophiles were horrible people.
Because people have a natural instinct to protect their children, which causes them to be on lookout for potential dangers for them.
This, in turn, causes slight anxiety, which is preyed on by the cynical politicians who are drawn to psychological weaknesses like sharks to blood.It's the same thing as with terrorism: politicians and others who want power strive to fan people's fears into full-blown panic, so they are no longer thinking rationally, and can be manipulated easily.
Pedophiles are even better boogeymen than terrorists, because the guy who points out he has better chances of being struck by lightning than dying in a terror attack seems brave while a guy - or better yet, a mother - who points out that her children are more likely to be run over by a car than get molested by a stranger can be branded a bad parent.Hysteria and lack of rational thinking are considered virtuous when dealing with children, and calm use of reason is seen as callous and irresponsible.
The end result is, of course, the same as it's always been: a police state build on the pretext of eradicating witches/jews/communists/terrorists/pedophiles.But people who just download it from peer to peer networks without anyone profitting or getting hurt more because of that download?
Hell, it might even prevent some child abusement cases.
Preventing child abuse is not the point of these policies.
Enabling censorship and getting votes for it because "it's for the children" is.
If anything, increased abuse would be beneficial for the politicians, since it would be something for them to point to and pretend to be fighting against.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28407543</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>horza</author>
	<datestamp>1245517860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is a very simple test: has he categorised it into different folders?</p><p>Phillip.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is a very simple test : has he categorised it into different folders ? Phillip .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is a very simple test: has he categorised it into different folders?Phillip.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406275</id>
	<title>Well done</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245505980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If this kind of thing happens more often, the general public might actually get to hear about it.</p><p>Whenever I ask them, most of the people I know have heard about the Pirate Bay guys being found guilty and<br>very little else.  Most news stories we get here (in the UK) are very biased whenever these kinds of stories even appear.<br>ID Cards are barely mentioned, censorship &amp; privacy stories are generally ignored unless its got the usual terrorists/paedophile<br>angle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this kind of thing happens more often , the general public might actually get to hear about it.Whenever I ask them , most of the people I know have heard about the Pirate Bay guys being found guilty andvery little else .
Most news stories we get here ( in the UK ) are very biased whenever these kinds of stories even appear.ID Cards are barely mentioned , censorship &amp; privacy stories are generally ignored unless its got the usual terrorists/paedophileangle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this kind of thing happens more often, the general public might actually get to hear about it.Whenever I ask them, most of the people I know have heard about the Pirate Bay guys being found guilty andvery little else.
Most news stories we get here (in the UK) are very biased whenever these kinds of stories even appear.ID Cards are barely mentioned, censorship &amp; privacy stories are generally ignored unless its got the usual terrorists/paedophileangle.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28408501</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>A12m0v</author>
	<datestamp>1245614400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I don't find BDSM, bukkake, bestiality, snuff films and coprophagia questionable when done by consenting adults. I admit that bestiality, snuff and coprophagia are not my thing, but that's only my opinion and that doesn't make them questionable.<br>Bestiality is a gray area, we know the human adult is consenting but what about it's animal partner?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't find BDSM , bukkake , bestiality , snuff films and coprophagia questionable when done by consenting adults .
I admit that bestiality , snuff and coprophagia are not my thing , but that 's only my opinion and that does n't make them questionable.Bestiality is a gray area , we know the human adult is consenting but what about it 's animal partner ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't find BDSM, bukkake, bestiality, snuff films and coprophagia questionable when done by consenting adults.
I admit that bestiality, snuff and coprophagia are not my thing, but that's only my opinion and that doesn't make them questionable.Bestiality is a gray area, we know the human adult is consenting but what about it's animal partner?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28409073</id>
	<title>Re:Why chase pedofiles and not child molesters?</title>
	<author>3247</author>
	<datestamp>1245578880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, what he did is known to everyone who bothers to not only read headlines: He did trade some material. He did not pay for anything and wasn't paid. His defence is that as a Member of Parliament, he had get an idea of the extent of the problem and the structures of the scene. It is currently unclear whether that's legal according to German criminal law.</p><p>BTW, there's another public figure who is in possession of child pornography and even offensively showed it around: Ursula von der Leyen (dubbed Zensursula), the German Minister of Family Affairs. There was no investigation and no-one doubted that that had been legal.</p><p>In short:<br>If you're part of the Legislative, you're obviously not supposed to posses child porn in order to make an informed decision about laws on child pornography.<br>If you're part of the Executive, you're obviously entitled to possess child porn in order to show it around to the press to gain support for drafts of such laws.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , what he did is known to everyone who bothers to not only read headlines : He did trade some material .
He did not pay for anything and was n't paid .
His defence is that as a Member of Parliament , he had get an idea of the extent of the problem and the structures of the scene .
It is currently unclear whether that 's legal according to German criminal law.BTW , there 's another public figure who is in possession of child pornography and even offensively showed it around : Ursula von der Leyen ( dubbed Zensursula ) , the German Minister of Family Affairs .
There was no investigation and no-one doubted that that had been legal.In short : If you 're part of the Legislative , you 're obviously not supposed to posses child porn in order to make an informed decision about laws on child pornography.If you 're part of the Executive , you 're obviously entitled to possess child porn in order to show it around to the press to gain support for drafts of such laws .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, what he did is known to everyone who bothers to not only read headlines: He did trade some material.
He did not pay for anything and wasn't paid.
His defence is that as a Member of Parliament, he had get an idea of the extent of the problem and the structures of the scene.
It is currently unclear whether that's legal according to German criminal law.BTW, there's another public figure who is in possession of child pornography and even offensively showed it around: Ursula von der Leyen (dubbed Zensursula), the German Minister of Family Affairs.
There was no investigation and no-one doubted that that had been legal.In short:If you're part of the Legislative, you're obviously not supposed to posses child porn in order to make an informed decision about laws on child pornography.If you're part of the Executive, you're obviously entitled to possess child porn in order to show it around to the press to gain support for drafts of such laws.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28413009</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>gparent</author>
	<datestamp>1245617460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Right, but it only takes one image to land you in jail because the jury is probably stupid when it comes down to IT, and doesn't understand how image caching works.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Right , but it only takes one image to land you in jail because the jury is probably stupid when it comes down to IT , and does n't understand how image caching works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right, but it only takes one image to land you in jail because the jury is probably stupid when it comes down to IT, and doesn't understand how image caching works.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406423</id>
	<title>His votes are now going to be...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245507060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Aaaarrrrr!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Aaaarrrrr !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Aaaarrrrr!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406295</id>
	<title>Well done Germany</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245506100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Seems Europe is starting to get better at that whole "democracy" concept than we are.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Seems Europe is starting to get better at that whole " democracy " concept than we are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seems Europe is starting to get better at that whole "democracy" concept than we are.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28408625</id>
	<title>why not go for the liberal party?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245616200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Germans are pretty conservative and mainstream and I don't see something called a "pirate party" succeeding.</p><p>Germany has a liberal party (FDP) that stands for smaller government and more personal freedoms; they also opposed this law.  And they have mainstream appeal.  It would seem to me that they would be a better choice to join than the "pirate party".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Germans are pretty conservative and mainstream and I do n't see something called a " pirate party " succeeding.Germany has a liberal party ( FDP ) that stands for smaller government and more personal freedoms ; they also opposed this law .
And they have mainstream appeal .
It would seem to me that they would be a better choice to join than the " pirate party " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Germans are pretty conservative and mainstream and I don't see something called a "pirate party" succeeding.Germany has a liberal party (FDP) that stands for smaller government and more personal freedoms; they also opposed this law.
And they have mainstream appeal.
It would seem to me that they would be a better choice to join than the "pirate party".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28414501</id>
	<title>something big like that?</title>
	<author>porky\_pig\_jr</author>
	<datestamp>1245586560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DHPatch.jpg</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File : DHPatch.jpg</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DHPatch.jpg</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28417275</id>
	<title>True to their code, they refused to light the pyre</title>
	<author>D4C5CE</author>
	<datestamp>1245609900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>But the pirate party has little choice in that matter. As long as he hans't been
convicted, he is free to join any party of his choice. And his publicly stated opinions on Internet topics were very close to the pirate party lines.</p></div></blockquote><p>
The "gut feeling" and "knee-jerk reaction" of most people will be "How could they possibly listen to this guy (in spite of guilt by mere accusation of a crime of witchcraft in the lynch court of public opinion)?"<br>However, at a closer look one has to realize the Pirates did the right thing by resisting to chime in to a chant of "burn! burn! burn!":
<a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1276159&amp;cid=28409757" title="slashdot.org">http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1276159&amp;cid=28409757</a> [slashdot.org]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But the pirate party has little choice in that matter .
As long as he hans't been convicted , he is free to join any party of his choice .
And his publicly stated opinions on Internet topics were very close to the pirate party lines .
The " gut feeling " and " knee-jerk reaction " of most people will be " How could they possibly listen to this guy ( in spite of guilt by mere accusation of a crime of witchcraft in the lynch court of public opinion ) ?
" However , at a closer look one has to realize the Pirates did the right thing by resisting to chime in to a chant of " burn !
burn ! burn !
" : http : //yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl ? sid = 1276159&amp;cid = 28409757 [ slashdot.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But the pirate party has little choice in that matter.
As long as he hans't been
convicted, he is free to join any party of his choice.
And his publicly stated opinions on Internet topics were very close to the pirate party lines.
The "gut feeling" and "knee-jerk reaction" of most people will be "How could they possibly listen to this guy (in spite of guilt by mere accusation of a crime of witchcraft in the lynch court of public opinion)?
"However, at a closer look one has to realize the Pirates did the right thing by resisting to chime in to a chant of "burn!
burn! burn!
":
http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1276159&amp;cid=28409757 [slashdot.org]
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28410015</id>
	<title>Re:No one here's buying it.</title>
	<author>turbidostato</author>
	<datestamp>1245592920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"You don't go and 'download' kiddie porn for 'research'."</p><p>No, of course you don't.  We already know its distribution channels, its spreading and its variations by means of infused science.</p><p>"I just don't see what there is to research - not a politician at least."</p><p>Of course not.  It is not as if it were politicians' responsibility to draft and analyse the laws that will stablish what is punible and what's not and to what extent.</p><p>"Either way, I don't think this is a great thing for the Pirate Party."</p><p>Of course not.  It is not as if its alledged cause would be to put on the table the abuses on our privacy all kind of passed laws about "save the children", "terrorism" and "how will all these poor pop stars sustain their mansions".</p><p>"Could do more damage than good."</p><p>Of course.  What kind of politician would be the one that says makes what feels proper instead of what gives him most immediate benefit?  What kind of bastard system would we be pointing to if we allow this kind of behaviour to spread?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" You do n't go and 'download ' kiddie porn for 'research' .
" No , of course you do n't .
We already know its distribution channels , its spreading and its variations by means of infused science .
" I just do n't see what there is to research - not a politician at least .
" Of course not .
It is not as if it were politicians ' responsibility to draft and analyse the laws that will stablish what is punible and what 's not and to what extent .
" Either way , I do n't think this is a great thing for the Pirate Party .
" Of course not .
It is not as if its alledged cause would be to put on the table the abuses on our privacy all kind of passed laws about " save the children " , " terrorism " and " how will all these poor pop stars sustain their mansions " .
" Could do more damage than good .
" Of course .
What kind of politician would be the one that says makes what feels proper instead of what gives him most immediate benefit ?
What kind of bastard system would we be pointing to if we allow this kind of behaviour to spread ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You don't go and 'download' kiddie porn for 'research'.
"No, of course you don't.
We already know its distribution channels, its spreading and its variations by means of infused science.
"I just don't see what there is to research - not a politician at least.
"Of course not.
It is not as if it were politicians' responsibility to draft and analyse the laws that will stablish what is punible and what's not and to what extent.
"Either way, I don't think this is a great thing for the Pirate Party.
"Of course not.
It is not as if its alledged cause would be to put on the table the abuses on our privacy all kind of passed laws about "save the children", "terrorism" and "how will all these poor pop stars sustain their mansions".
"Could do more damage than good.
"Of course.
What kind of politician would be the one that says makes what feels proper instead of what gives him most immediate benefit?
What kind of bastard system would we be pointing to if we allow this kind of behaviour to spread?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406383</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>QCompson</author>
	<datestamp>1245506760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>what? for research? if by research he means being a sadistic pedophile then i can understand that. of course i'm sure he had to force himself to look at these 'researh images' for several hours a day so he can better understand the mind of a pedophile. so if i'm a scientist, and i'm doing pharmaceutical research, can i use that as my excuse for a small mountain of cocaine on my coffee table?</p></div></blockquote><p>
Yes, how absurd.  Obviously if he looked at these images he is a sadistic pedophile and was about to attack children any second.  He also apparently texted the word "geil" so we know exactly what he was thinking.
<br> <br>
Of course law enforcement can look at these images for several hours a day and no one is harmed, and we also know they never have any improper thoughts while doing so.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>what ?
for research ?
if by research he means being a sadistic pedophile then i can understand that .
of course i 'm sure he had to force himself to look at these 'researh images ' for several hours a day so he can better understand the mind of a pedophile .
so if i 'm a scientist , and i 'm doing pharmaceutical research , can i use that as my excuse for a small mountain of cocaine on my coffee table ?
Yes , how absurd .
Obviously if he looked at these images he is a sadistic pedophile and was about to attack children any second .
He also apparently texted the word " geil " so we know exactly what he was thinking .
Of course law enforcement can look at these images for several hours a day and no one is harmed , and we also know they never have any improper thoughts while doing so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>what?
for research?
if by research he means being a sadistic pedophile then i can understand that.
of course i'm sure he had to force himself to look at these 'researh images' for several hours a day so he can better understand the mind of a pedophile.
so if i'm a scientist, and i'm doing pharmaceutical research, can i use that as my excuse for a small mountain of cocaine on my coffee table?
Yes, how absurd.
Obviously if he looked at these images he is a sadistic pedophile and was about to attack children any second.
He also apparently texted the word "geil" so we know exactly what he was thinking.
Of course law enforcement can look at these images for several hours a day and no one is harmed, and we also know they never have any improper thoughts while doing so.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28411731</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>janwedekind</author>
	<datestamp>1245608040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In his investigation he tried to show that child porn is frequently distributed by mail order, telephone hotlines, and mobile phones again. However dealers of child porn usually <a href="http://www.tagesschau.de/inland/tauss112.html" title="tagesschau.de">require potential customers to break the law by providing illegal material themselves before trusting them</a> [tagesschau.de].<br>In his hearing he admitted mistakes and he assured his innocence. He said that he had acted in the belief that he was permitted to perform such investigations as the responsible political authority.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In his investigation he tried to show that child porn is frequently distributed by mail order , telephone hotlines , and mobile phones again .
However dealers of child porn usually require potential customers to break the law by providing illegal material themselves before trusting them [ tagesschau.de ] .In his hearing he admitted mistakes and he assured his innocence .
He said that he had acted in the belief that he was permitted to perform such investigations as the responsible political authority .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In his investigation he tried to show that child porn is frequently distributed by mail order, telephone hotlines, and mobile phones again.
However dealers of child porn usually require potential customers to break the law by providing illegal material themselves before trusting them [tagesschau.de].In his hearing he admitted mistakes and he assured his innocence.
He said that he had acted in the belief that he was permitted to perform such investigations as the responsible political authority.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406237</id>
	<title>Ninja party for the win</title>
	<author>thetoadwarrior</author>
	<datestamp>1245505680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree with the Pirate Party but I'm still holding out for a Ninja party since Ninjas &gt; Pirates.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with the Pirate Party but I 'm still holding out for a Ninja party since Ninjas &gt; Pirates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with the Pirate Party but I'm still holding out for a Ninja party since Ninjas &gt; Pirates.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28407005</id>
	<title>change !</title>
	<author>OricAtmos48K</author>
	<datestamp>1245512520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>In European Union the pirate party joins the parliament</htmltext>
<tokenext>In European Union the pirate party joins the parliament</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In European Union the pirate party joins the parliament</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28408635</id>
	<title>Re:Well done Germany</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1245616380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Uh, I'd love for this to be true, but it isn't.</p><p>What you applaud is not Europe getting better at democracy, it's one man's gesture against the constant getting worse.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uh , I 'd love for this to be true , but it is n't.What you applaud is not Europe getting better at democracy , it 's one man 's gesture against the constant getting worse .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uh, I'd love for this to be true, but it isn't.What you applaud is not Europe getting better at democracy, it's one man's gesture against the constant getting worse.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28409907</id>
	<title>Re:Why chase pedofiles and not child molesters?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245591180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The really disturbing thing is if you, as an ordinary citizen, want to check to see if he has child porn on his computer, you end up seeing child porn, and being "guilty". So we end up having to trust the authorities when they tell us "That man is a pedophile, but we can't show you any of the proof. And if you try to determine for yourself if he is guilty, then you too are guilty." The witch hunt potential is astounding. And the possible abuse of the law for political ends is frightening.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The really disturbing thing is if you , as an ordinary citizen , want to check to see if he has child porn on his computer , you end up seeing child porn , and being " guilty " .
So we end up having to trust the authorities when they tell us " That man is a pedophile , but we ca n't show you any of the proof .
And if you try to determine for yourself if he is guilty , then you too are guilty .
" The witch hunt potential is astounding .
And the possible abuse of the law for political ends is frightening .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The really disturbing thing is if you, as an ordinary citizen, want to check to see if he has child porn on his computer, you end up seeing child porn, and being "guilty".
So we end up having to trust the authorities when they tell us "That man is a pedophile, but we can't show you any of the proof.
And if you try to determine for yourself if he is guilty, then you too are guilty.
" The witch hunt potential is astounding.
And the possible abuse of the law for political ends is frightening.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28407295</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245515640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>        Obviously all normal people are very much opposed to kidie porn. So governments try to justify all kinds of snooping under the guise that child porn might be on a hard drive.<br>
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; In one form or another this same pattern has always existed. Many police agencies have had a " friendly" social worker who would report an anonymous case of child abuse that enabled cops to break down doors trying to solve other crimes. In short any power given to police will be stretched and abused.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Obviously all normal people are very much opposed to kidie porn .
So governments try to justify all kinds of snooping under the guise that child porn might be on a hard drive .
                In one form or another this same pattern has always existed .
Many police agencies have had a " friendly " social worker who would report an anonymous case of child abuse that enabled cops to break down doors trying to solve other crimes .
In short any power given to police will be stretched and abused .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>        Obviously all normal people are very much opposed to kidie porn.
So governments try to justify all kinds of snooping under the guise that child porn might be on a hard drive.
                In one form or another this same pattern has always existed.
Many police agencies have had a " friendly" social worker who would report an anonymous case of child abuse that enabled cops to break down doors trying to solve other crimes.
In short any power given to police will be stretched and abused.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28408765</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245575280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The real disgusting thing is that a law that installs a censorship mechanism gets passed by connecting that to child porn and onle ONE member of parliament actually does any research about the topic. If more people did that they might have come to the conclusion that the problem doesn't justify the law, because writing an email to the hosting provider of the child porn site already leads to results in less than a day.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The real disgusting thing is that a law that installs a censorship mechanism gets passed by connecting that to child porn and onle ONE member of parliament actually does any research about the topic .
If more people did that they might have come to the conclusion that the problem does n't justify the law , because writing an email to the hosting provider of the child porn site already leads to results in less than a day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The real disgusting thing is that a law that installs a censorship mechanism gets passed by connecting that to child porn and onle ONE member of parliament actually does any research about the topic.
If more people did that they might have come to the conclusion that the problem doesn't justify the law, because writing an email to the hosting provider of the child porn site already leads to results in less than a day.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406993</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>Jurily</author>
	<datestamp>1245512460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Quite frankly, unless he's actually paying for it, or otherwise actually contributing to child abuse, I really don't care. Simple possession, if not a completely victimless crime, is certainly very close to being one.</p></div><p>Also, what exactly does "child pornography" mean? Does a 17 year old girl qualify? How about a 14 year old boy? I wish I made porn when I was 14...</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Quite frankly , unless he 's actually paying for it , or otherwise actually contributing to child abuse , I really do n't care .
Simple possession , if not a completely victimless crime , is certainly very close to being one.Also , what exactly does " child pornography " mean ?
Does a 17 year old girl qualify ?
How about a 14 year old boy ?
I wish I made porn when I was 14.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Quite frankly, unless he's actually paying for it, or otherwise actually contributing to child abuse, I really don't care.
Simple possession, if not a completely victimless crime, is certainly very close to being one.Also, what exactly does "child pornography" mean?
Does a 17 year old girl qualify?
How about a 14 year old boy?
I wish I made porn when I was 14...
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406599</id>
	<title>UPDATE!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245508800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>His membership got accepted by the Pirate Party!</p><p>We now have an active Pirate <strong>in the parliament</strong>.</p><p>I wonder how the next Bundestag elections will end. I have the feeling, that this is the start of something big!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>His membership got accepted by the Pirate Party ! We now have an active Pirate in the parliament.I wonder how the next Bundestag elections will end .
I have the feeling , that this is the start of something big !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>His membership got accepted by the Pirate Party!We now have an active Pirate in the parliament.I wonder how the next Bundestag elections will end.
I have the feeling, that this is the start of something big!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406651</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245509220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed.  But that's only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this principle.  The much larger issue is that thoughts and looks are being treated as criminal acts, when in fact, then can be the exact opposite, or anything on a spectrum in-between.  Treating actions as a crime is one thing, but treating looking at something as a crime is entirely different.  And yes, I'll post anonymously, because even otherwise rational people can be completely psychotic about the whole kiddie porn issue.  If I was more of a conspiracy theorist I'd even say it's as if the powers that be have encouraged people to hate the idea beyond all rationality, so they have some way to distract people from other issues, like their own ACTS of corruption.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed .
But that 's only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this principle .
The much larger issue is that thoughts and looks are being treated as criminal acts , when in fact , then can be the exact opposite , or anything on a spectrum in-between .
Treating actions as a crime is one thing , but treating looking at something as a crime is entirely different .
And yes , I 'll post anonymously , because even otherwise rational people can be completely psychotic about the whole kiddie porn issue .
If I was more of a conspiracy theorist I 'd even say it 's as if the powers that be have encouraged people to hate the idea beyond all rationality , so they have some way to distract people from other issues , like their own ACTS of corruption .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed.
But that's only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this principle.
The much larger issue is that thoughts and looks are being treated as criminal acts, when in fact, then can be the exact opposite, or anything on a spectrum in-between.
Treating actions as a crime is one thing, but treating looking at something as a crime is entirely different.
And yes, I'll post anonymously, because even otherwise rational people can be completely psychotic about the whole kiddie porn issue.
If I was more of a conspiracy theorist I'd even say it's as if the powers that be have encouraged people to hate the idea beyond all rationality, so they have some way to distract people from other issues, like their own ACTS of corruption.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28419453</id>
	<title>25000 CP images (with RIAA math)</title>
	<author>jonaskoelker</author>
	<datestamp>1245672480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Wouldn't that cause billions of damages to CP producers?</p></div><p>That would take the distribution of 25000 images (at $80,000 apiece).  (let billions = 2*10^9 in<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...)</p><p>My guess is that there are many more images than that illegally downloaded every year.  Let's pat ourselves on the back for the damage we're doing to those nasty people!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would n't that cause billions of damages to CP producers ? That would take the distribution of 25000 images ( at $ 80,000 apiece ) .
( let billions = 2 * 10 ^ 9 in ... ) My guess is that there are many more images than that illegally downloaded every year .
Let 's pat ourselves on the back for the damage we 're doing to those nasty people !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wouldn't that cause billions of damages to CP producers?That would take the distribution of 25000 images (at $80,000 apiece).
(let billions = 2*10^9 in ...)My guess is that there are many more images than that illegally downloaded every year.
Let's pat ourselves on the back for the damage we're doing to those nasty people!
	</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Ninja party for the win</title>
	<author>dkleinsc</author>
	<datestamp>1245616320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>See, I disagree that Ninjas &gt; Pirates. My logic is as followed:<br>1. Ninjas control all the land area, and can totally flip out and kill people anywhere on the land.<br>2. Pirates control the seas, and can totally send anyone to Davy Jones' Locker anywhere on sea.<br>3. 70\% of Earth is ocean, while only 30\% is land. Ergo, Pirates controller more of the Earth than Ninjas, and thus Pirates &gt; Ninjas.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>See , I disagree that Ninjas &gt; Pirates .
My logic is as followed : 1 .
Ninjas control all the land area , and can totally flip out and kill people anywhere on the land.2 .
Pirates control the seas , and can totally send anyone to Davy Jones ' Locker anywhere on sea.3 .
70 \ % of Earth is ocean , while only 30 \ % is land .
Ergo , Pirates controller more of the Earth than Ninjas , and thus Pirates &gt; Ninjas .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>See, I disagree that Ninjas &gt; Pirates.
My logic is as followed:1.
Ninjas control all the land area, and can totally flip out and kill people anywhere on the land.2.
Pirates control the seas, and can totally send anyone to Davy Jones' Locker anywhere on sea.3.
70\% of Earth is ocean, while only 30\% is land.
Ergo, Pirates controller more of the Earth than Ninjas, and thus Pirates &gt; Ninjas.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28409425</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>kshade</author>
	<datestamp>1245583680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You know, the minister who's pushing the internet censorship law showed child pornography as "accommodation" before a debate. She got a lot of complaints for that but they didn't go anywhere.</p><p>Here's a comment from Tauss about the ongoing investigation (8 Pages, German): <a href="http://daten.tauss.de/StellungnahmeTauss110309.pdf" title="tauss.de" rel="nofollow">http://daten.tauss.de/StellungnahmeTauss110309.pdf</a> [tauss.de]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You know , the minister who 's pushing the internet censorship law showed child pornography as " accommodation " before a debate .
She got a lot of complaints for that but they did n't go anywhere.Here 's a comment from Tauss about the ongoing investigation ( 8 Pages , German ) : http : //daten.tauss.de/StellungnahmeTauss110309.pdf [ tauss.de ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You know, the minister who's pushing the internet censorship law showed child pornography as "accommodation" before a debate.
She got a lot of complaints for that but they didn't go anywhere.Here's a comment from Tauss about the ongoing investigation (8 Pages, German): http://daten.tauss.de/StellungnahmeTauss110309.pdf [tauss.de]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28418753</id>
	<title>Re:Why chase pedofiles and not child molesters?</title>
	<author>Tom</author>
	<datestamp>1245666480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually, it looks more and more like he was set up, intentionally, and possibly in preparation for pushing this law through. The timing is excellent, and the one, most vocal, and most respected MP was silenced just before the discussion on this law started, and with the exact same topic. You could not damage his reputation any better, and you could not make his dissenting voice more questionable then by tagging the exact same label on him that you tacked on the law - kiddie porn.</p><p>I'm not saying I <b>know</b> he was framed, but it does seem suspiciously coincidental.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , it looks more and more like he was set up , intentionally , and possibly in preparation for pushing this law through .
The timing is excellent , and the one , most vocal , and most respected MP was silenced just before the discussion on this law started , and with the exact same topic .
You could not damage his reputation any better , and you could not make his dissenting voice more questionable then by tagging the exact same label on him that you tacked on the law - kiddie porn.I 'm not saying I know he was framed , but it does seem suspiciously coincidental .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, it looks more and more like he was set up, intentionally, and possibly in preparation for pushing this law through.
The timing is excellent, and the one, most vocal, and most respected MP was silenced just before the discussion on this law started, and with the exact same topic.
You could not damage his reputation any better, and you could not make his dissenting voice more questionable then by tagging the exact same label on him that you tacked on the law - kiddie porn.I'm not saying I know he was framed, but it does seem suspiciously coincidental.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406319</id>
	<title>No one here's buying it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245506280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>"I have been concerned with the scene for years."
<p>
You don't need to DL a bunch of kiddie pr0n to study it nor do you do it without informing <i>any</i> police organisation before doing so, if only to prevent any mistaken ideas, much less prevent duplication of work and chasing down useless paths.
</p><p>
Tauss has very good representation who know how to take advantage of a few laws here in Germany which more or less allow public figures to buy their way out of a courtroom.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" I have been concerned with the scene for years .
" You do n't need to DL a bunch of kiddie pr0n to study it nor do you do it without informing any police organisation before doing so , if only to prevent any mistaken ideas , much less prevent duplication of work and chasing down useless paths .
Tauss has very good representation who know how to take advantage of a few laws here in Germany which more or less allow public figures to buy their way out of a courtroom .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I have been concerned with the scene for years.
"

You don't need to DL a bunch of kiddie pr0n to study it nor do you do it without informing any police organisation before doing so, if only to prevent any mistaken ideas, much less prevent duplication of work and chasing down useless paths.
Tauss has very good representation who know how to take advantage of a few laws here in Germany which more or less allow public figures to buy their way out of a courtroom.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28409221</id>
	<title>Re:UPDATE!</title>
	<author>mseeger</author>
	<datestamp>1245580620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hi,</p><p>i think Seneca leftt us with good quote for this: "Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes"<br>(I fear the Danaans (Greeks) even if they bring gifts). This might become a mighty<br>bumerang if he gets convicted.</p><p>I can clearly see the advantages for Tauss: If he gets convicted, he hasn't lost<br>anything. If not, he may emerge a leader in a new party. The advantages for the<br>Pirate party are clearly limited: Tauss seat expires in September and if he gets<br>convicted, they'll take a mighty pounding.</p><p>But the pirate party has little choice in that matter. As long as he hans't been<br>convicted, he is free to join any party of his choice. And his publicly stated<br>opinions on Internet topics were very close to the pirate party lines.</p><p>Sincerely yours, Martin</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hi,i think Seneca leftt us with good quote for this : " Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes " ( I fear the Danaans ( Greeks ) even if they bring gifts ) .
This might become a mightybumerang if he gets convicted.I can clearly see the advantages for Tauss : If he gets convicted , he has n't lostanything .
If not , he may emerge a leader in a new party .
The advantages for thePirate party are clearly limited : Tauss seat expires in September and if he getsconvicted , they 'll take a mighty pounding.But the pirate party has little choice in that matter .
As long as he hans't beenconvicted , he is free to join any party of his choice .
And his publicly statedopinions on Internet topics were very close to the pirate party lines.Sincerely yours , Martin</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hi,i think Seneca leftt us with good quote for this: "Timeo Danaos et dona ferentes"(I fear the Danaans (Greeks) even if they bring gifts).
This might become a mightybumerang if he gets convicted.I can clearly see the advantages for Tauss: If he gets convicted, he hasn't lostanything.
If not, he may emerge a leader in a new party.
The advantages for thePirate party are clearly limited: Tauss seat expires in September and if he getsconvicted, they'll take a mighty pounding.But the pirate party has little choice in that matter.
As long as he hans't beenconvicted, he is free to join any party of his choice.
And his publicly statedopinions on Internet topics were very close to the pirate party lines.Sincerely yours, Martin
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28410803</id>
	<title>Re:Why chase pedofiles and not child molesters?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245600300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I do agree that sharing from 3rd party to 3rd party is effectively a victimless crime, but people will do things for reasons other than money. A CP collector might abuse and share their images for free in the hope of getting similar material from fellow collectors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do agree that sharing from 3rd party to 3rd party is effectively a victimless crime , but people will do things for reasons other than money .
A CP collector might abuse and share their images for free in the hope of getting similar material from fellow collectors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do agree that sharing from 3rd party to 3rd party is effectively a victimless crime, but people will do things for reasons other than money.
A CP collector might abuse and share their images for free in the hope of getting similar material from fellow collectors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406381</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>Draek</author>
	<datestamp>1245506760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You've never downloaded 'questionable' material just to see what was the problem with it? BDSM, bukkake, bestiality, snuff films, coprophagia and yes, even child porn have passed through my hard-drives, even though I find all of them disgusting.</p><p>I'd post anonymously but frankly, I don't give a fsck, it's been years since I've had any of that stuff and if some cop decided to tap my internet connection they'd only see download of various patches and traffic from the odd online game. Perhaps he's lying, perhaps he's not, but his statement doesn't sound too far-fetched so I'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 've never downloaded 'questionable ' material just to see what was the problem with it ?
BDSM , bukkake , bestiality , snuff films , coprophagia and yes , even child porn have passed through my hard-drives , even though I find all of them disgusting.I 'd post anonymously but frankly , I do n't give a fsck , it 's been years since I 've had any of that stuff and if some cop decided to tap my internet connection they 'd only see download of various patches and traffic from the odd online game .
Perhaps he 's lying , perhaps he 's not , but his statement does n't sound too far-fetched so I 'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You've never downloaded 'questionable' material just to see what was the problem with it?
BDSM, bukkake, bestiality, snuff films, coprophagia and yes, even child porn have passed through my hard-drives, even though I find all of them disgusting.I'd post anonymously but frankly, I don't give a fsck, it's been years since I've had any of that stuff and if some cop decided to tap my internet connection they'd only see download of various patches and traffic from the odd online game.
Perhaps he's lying, perhaps he's not, but his statement doesn't sound too far-fetched so I'm willing to give him the benefit of doubt.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406641</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245509160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not to mention the fact that it's nearly impossible to browse certain high-visibility sites (4chan) without some dumb-witted idiot posting a 8 year old child getting molested.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to mention the fact that it 's nearly impossible to browse certain high-visibility sites ( 4chan ) without some dumb-witted idiot posting a 8 year old child getting molested .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to mention the fact that it's nearly impossible to browse certain high-visibility sites (4chan) without some dumb-witted idiot posting a 8 year old child getting molested.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28408753</id>
	<title>why you need to see child porn</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245575040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> <b>Using bold because the new slashdot script is completely retarded and won't interpret line breaks or p-tags normally!</b> </p><p> <b>You need to see child porn</b> because you need to know what the war against child porn is about.  The official line is that this war is a just war against the violent rape of children.  The images are said to be primarily (a) violent, and/or (b) involving tiny children and babies.  A question anyone concerned with the ever increasing power of supposedly democratic states over the Internet and all communications is what these images actually depict.  If they indeed depict primarily tiny children being violently raped, then this war against child pornography is in line with its own rhetoric.  If the images are not violent, and do not depict primarily toddlers and babies, then the rhetoric is out of line.  A cursory investigation into these images may suggest the rhetoric is well out of line, that our current conceptions of child sexuality, and pedophile sexual  behavior, is inadequate, ideological, and dangerous.  Unfortunately, the adequate investigation of such  materials is not something most citizens dare to do, and for good reason.  The simple viewing of these materials is a crime many declare is "worse than murder" -a declaration made in absence of evidence, of course.</p><p> <b>Debbie Nathan made a good case</b> for viewing child pornography in a series of articles that trashed Kurt Eichenwald after his New York Times articles on Justin Berry, an apparently willing teenaged cam-whore.  Her basic argument is that without an ability to independently assess the contents of child pornography, journalists (and any researcher whatever) cannot make judgements independent of police institutions.  In effect, research becomes an arm of policing, rather than informing policing, or going beyond policing.  And so shoddy research that reinforces the status quo interpretation of child pornography attains the status of legitimacy, is well funded, and makes careers.  Detailed, thoughtful research into the matter is impossible, reviled, rejected.  The dangerous game of child pornography investigation was underlined by the exchanges by Nathan and Eichenwald.  When Nation accused Eichenwald of *illegally* looking at child pornography.  Eichenwald brought out the NYTimes lawyer-dogs to threaten Nathan's article off (cowardly) Salon.com, arguing that by law Eichenwald was able to view 3 images of child pornography legally, as long as he reported this to the police afterwards.  This, of course, was nonsense as far as the articles were concerned, because Eichenwald, by his own admissions in the peices, looked at far more than 3 images.  But being in the back pocket of the U.S. Dept. of Justice meant Eichenwald, unlike other investigators, was beyond the law.  But in the end Eichenwald self-destructed.  Nathan continued to pursue the case, and uncovered private messages that made Eichenwald appear to be sexually interested in Justin Berry, and a rapacious consumer of his hardcore images.  Instead of cracking the case, Eichenwald was trying to escape the consequences of his actions by appearing as a child advocate, saving children from child pornographers.  His career was left in shambles.</p><p> <b>THESE ARE THE DANGERS OF RESEARCH INTO CHILD PORNOGRAPHY.</b> </p><p> <b>If this is the case</b>, if a man who had all the protections of the police, practical immunity from prosecution due to his participation in "nabbing the bad guys," why would anyone think the research into child pornography was (a) comprehensive, (b) adequate, (c) independent of law enforcement, (d) independent of a stifling, choking status quo?  If the pro-police contingent of child porno researchers can get burned to death, what about people who question?</p><p> <b>It is a well trod line</b> that one of the significant shifts that mark our emergence into modernism is an ability, a desire, and a need to question authority, to see for ourselves.  This is what is called enlightenment.  It is not my argument that child pornography IS enlightenmen</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Using bold because the new slashdot script is completely retarded and wo n't interpret line breaks or p-tags normally !
You need to see child porn because you need to know what the war against child porn is about .
The official line is that this war is a just war against the violent rape of children .
The images are said to be primarily ( a ) violent , and/or ( b ) involving tiny children and babies .
A question anyone concerned with the ever increasing power of supposedly democratic states over the Internet and all communications is what these images actually depict .
If they indeed depict primarily tiny children being violently raped , then this war against child pornography is in line with its own rhetoric .
If the images are not violent , and do not depict primarily toddlers and babies , then the rhetoric is out of line .
A cursory investigation into these images may suggest the rhetoric is well out of line , that our current conceptions of child sexuality , and pedophile sexual behavior , is inadequate , ideological , and dangerous .
Unfortunately , the adequate investigation of such materials is not something most citizens dare to do , and for good reason .
The simple viewing of these materials is a crime many declare is " worse than murder " -a declaration made in absence of evidence , of course .
Debbie Nathan made a good case for viewing child pornography in a series of articles that trashed Kurt Eichenwald after his New York Times articles on Justin Berry , an apparently willing teenaged cam-whore .
Her basic argument is that without an ability to independently assess the contents of child pornography , journalists ( and any researcher whatever ) can not make judgements independent of police institutions .
In effect , research becomes an arm of policing , rather than informing policing , or going beyond policing .
And so shoddy research that reinforces the status quo interpretation of child pornography attains the status of legitimacy , is well funded , and makes careers .
Detailed , thoughtful research into the matter is impossible , reviled , rejected .
The dangerous game of child pornography investigation was underlined by the exchanges by Nathan and Eichenwald .
When Nation accused Eichenwald of * illegally * looking at child pornography .
Eichenwald brought out the NYTimes lawyer-dogs to threaten Nathan 's article off ( cowardly ) Salon.com , arguing that by law Eichenwald was able to view 3 images of child pornography legally , as long as he reported this to the police afterwards .
This , of course , was nonsense as far as the articles were concerned , because Eichenwald , by his own admissions in the peices , looked at far more than 3 images .
But being in the back pocket of the U.S. Dept. of Justice meant Eichenwald , unlike other investigators , was beyond the law .
But in the end Eichenwald self-destructed .
Nathan continued to pursue the case , and uncovered private messages that made Eichenwald appear to be sexually interested in Justin Berry , and a rapacious consumer of his hardcore images .
Instead of cracking the case , Eichenwald was trying to escape the consequences of his actions by appearing as a child advocate , saving children from child pornographers .
His career was left in shambles .
THESE ARE THE DANGERS OF RESEARCH INTO CHILD PORNOGRAPHY .
If this is the case , if a man who had all the protections of the police , practical immunity from prosecution due to his participation in " nabbing the bad guys , " why would anyone think the research into child pornography was ( a ) comprehensive , ( b ) adequate , ( c ) independent of law enforcement , ( d ) independent of a stifling , choking status quo ?
If the pro-police contingent of child porno researchers can get burned to death , what about people who question ?
It is a well trod line that one of the significant shifts that mark our emergence into modernism is an ability , a desire , and a need to question authority , to see for ourselves .
This is what is called enlightenment .
It is not my argument that child pornography IS enlightenmen</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Using bold because the new slashdot script is completely retarded and won't interpret line breaks or p-tags normally!
You need to see child porn because you need to know what the war against child porn is about.
The official line is that this war is a just war against the violent rape of children.
The images are said to be primarily (a) violent, and/or (b) involving tiny children and babies.
A question anyone concerned with the ever increasing power of supposedly democratic states over the Internet and all communications is what these images actually depict.
If they indeed depict primarily tiny children being violently raped, then this war against child pornography is in line with its own rhetoric.
If the images are not violent, and do not depict primarily toddlers and babies, then the rhetoric is out of line.
A cursory investigation into these images may suggest the rhetoric is well out of line, that our current conceptions of child sexuality, and pedophile sexual  behavior, is inadequate, ideological, and dangerous.
Unfortunately, the adequate investigation of such  materials is not something most citizens dare to do, and for good reason.
The simple viewing of these materials is a crime many declare is "worse than murder" -a declaration made in absence of evidence, of course.
Debbie Nathan made a good case for viewing child pornography in a series of articles that trashed Kurt Eichenwald after his New York Times articles on Justin Berry, an apparently willing teenaged cam-whore.
Her basic argument is that without an ability to independently assess the contents of child pornography, journalists (and any researcher whatever) cannot make judgements independent of police institutions.
In effect, research becomes an arm of policing, rather than informing policing, or going beyond policing.
And so shoddy research that reinforces the status quo interpretation of child pornography attains the status of legitimacy, is well funded, and makes careers.
Detailed, thoughtful research into the matter is impossible, reviled, rejected.
The dangerous game of child pornography investigation was underlined by the exchanges by Nathan and Eichenwald.
When Nation accused Eichenwald of *illegally* looking at child pornography.
Eichenwald brought out the NYTimes lawyer-dogs to threaten Nathan's article off (cowardly) Salon.com, arguing that by law Eichenwald was able to view 3 images of child pornography legally, as long as he reported this to the police afterwards.
This, of course, was nonsense as far as the articles were concerned, because Eichenwald, by his own admissions in the peices, looked at far more than 3 images.
But being in the back pocket of the U.S. Dept. of Justice meant Eichenwald, unlike other investigators, was beyond the law.
But in the end Eichenwald self-destructed.
Nathan continued to pursue the case, and uncovered private messages that made Eichenwald appear to be sexually interested in Justin Berry, and a rapacious consumer of his hardcore images.
Instead of cracking the case, Eichenwald was trying to escape the consequences of his actions by appearing as a child advocate, saving children from child pornographers.
His career was left in shambles.
THESE ARE THE DANGERS OF RESEARCH INTO CHILD PORNOGRAPHY.
If this is the case, if a man who had all the protections of the police, practical immunity from prosecution due to his participation in "nabbing the bad guys," why would anyone think the research into child pornography was (a) comprehensive, (b) adequate, (c) independent of law enforcement, (d) independent of a stifling, choking status quo?
If the pro-police contingent of child porno researchers can get burned to death, what about people who question?
It is a well trod line that one of the significant shifts that mark our emergence into modernism is an ability, a desire, and a need to question authority, to see for ourselves.
This is what is called enlightenment.
It is not my argument that child pornography IS enlightenmen</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406417</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245507060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>The guy might actually be a pedophile, given the frequency of occurrence within the population, it'd be shocking if some members of parliament <i>weren't</i> pedophiles; but his story isn't necessarily as absurd as you claim.<br> <br>

Say, for instance, you want to know how likely it is that somebody just on the internet, or somebody looking for ordinary porn, will be exposed to kiddie porn. Or, you want to know how prevalent kiddie porn actually is. Either question seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to wonder about, if you are a legislator with a kiddie porn related bill presented for your consideration. Attempting to answer either question could easily leave you with some illegal images in your browser cache.<br> <br>

In related news, the RIAA and MPAA released a joint statement calling the Pirate Party "A degenerate den of pedophiles that threaten our children and, indeed, our very society"...</htmltext>
<tokenext>The guy might actually be a pedophile , given the frequency of occurrence within the population , it 'd be shocking if some members of parliament were n't pedophiles ; but his story is n't necessarily as absurd as you claim .
Say , for instance , you want to know how likely it is that somebody just on the internet , or somebody looking for ordinary porn , will be exposed to kiddie porn .
Or , you want to know how prevalent kiddie porn actually is .
Either question seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to wonder about , if you are a legislator with a kiddie porn related bill presented for your consideration .
Attempting to answer either question could easily leave you with some illegal images in your browser cache .
In related news , the RIAA and MPAA released a joint statement calling the Pirate Party " A degenerate den of pedophiles that threaten our children and , indeed , our very society " .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The guy might actually be a pedophile, given the frequency of occurrence within the population, it'd be shocking if some members of parliament weren't pedophiles; but his story isn't necessarily as absurd as you claim.
Say, for instance, you want to know how likely it is that somebody just on the internet, or somebody looking for ordinary porn, will be exposed to kiddie porn.
Or, you want to know how prevalent kiddie porn actually is.
Either question seems like a perfectly reasonable thing to wonder about, if you are a legislator with a kiddie porn related bill presented for your consideration.
Attempting to answer either question could easily leave you with some illegal images in your browser cache.
In related news, the RIAA and MPAA released a joint statement calling the Pirate Party "A degenerate den of pedophiles that threaten our children and, indeed, our very society"...</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28409555</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245585780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I don't find BDSM, bukkake, bestiality, <b>snuff films</b> and coprophagia questionable when done by consenting adults.</p></div><p>You do know what snuff films are, right?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't find BDSM , bukkake , bestiality , snuff films and coprophagia questionable when done by consenting adults.You do know what snuff films are , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't find BDSM, bukkake, bestiality, snuff films and coprophagia questionable when done by consenting adults.You do know what snuff films are, right?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28410205</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>MeatBag PussRocket</author>
	<datestamp>1245595080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this post has forced me to add a sig. if you think its trollish of me to have a strong reaction to something i (and most other people on the planet) find highly morally objectionable, think again. there is \_NO\_ need in IMO to have anything labeled as 'child porn' in your possession at any time regardless of who you are, thats why its illegal. if he was trying to change the law, there are plenty of ways to hash out the law besides showing pictures to people. and curiosity, \_really\_ we're gonna try to use THAT as an excuse? i've honestly  been curious to know what its like to take another persons life, but you can sure as hell bet i wont be doing it to find out. as mentioned below, some people are deeply personally affected by this stuff. think about how sensitive people were in the US after 9/11 and multiply that by 10 on an individual level and you start to understand \_why\_ its illegal in almost every place on earth. and btw, if you havent been a direct victim of 9/11 or child pornography, dont even begin to share your worthless opinion on my analogy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this post has forced me to add a sig .
if you think its trollish of me to have a strong reaction to something i ( and most other people on the planet ) find highly morally objectionable , think again .
there is \ _NO \ _ need in IMO to have anything labeled as 'child porn ' in your possession at any time regardless of who you are , thats why its illegal .
if he was trying to change the law , there are plenty of ways to hash out the law besides showing pictures to people .
and curiosity , \ _really \ _ we 're gon na try to use THAT as an excuse ?
i 've honestly been curious to know what its like to take another persons life , but you can sure as hell bet i wont be doing it to find out .
as mentioned below , some people are deeply personally affected by this stuff .
think about how sensitive people were in the US after 9/11 and multiply that by 10 on an individual level and you start to understand \ _why \ _ its illegal in almost every place on earth .
and btw , if you havent been a direct victim of 9/11 or child pornography , dont even begin to share your worthless opinion on my analogy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>this post has forced me to add a sig.
if you think its trollish of me to have a strong reaction to something i (and most other people on the planet) find highly morally objectionable, think again.
there is \_NO\_ need in IMO to have anything labeled as 'child porn' in your possession at any time regardless of who you are, thats why its illegal.
if he was trying to change the law, there are plenty of ways to hash out the law besides showing pictures to people.
and curiosity, \_really\_ we're gonna try to use THAT as an excuse?
i've honestly  been curious to know what its like to take another persons life, but you can sure as hell bet i wont be doing it to find out.
as mentioned below, some people are deeply personally affected by this stuff.
think about how sensitive people were in the US after 9/11 and multiply that by 10 on an individual level and you start to understand \_why\_ its illegal in almost every place on earth.
and btw, if you havent been a direct victim of 9/11 or child pornography, dont even begin to share your worthless opinion on my analogy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28409621</id>
	<title>Scenario for all those defending CP laws</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245586740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Okay, i'm a mod on a forum, some pedos pops along, spams loads of images.</p><p>Now... i HAVE to view those images in order to know that they are CP so i can delete them.<br>BUT WAIT, i am now a pedo, according to several laws in several countries.</p><p>NO, FUCK THAT!<br>Possession laws in the digital age are fucking retarded in every sense of the word.<br>These things need to be changed, they simply will not do.<br>The act of viewing an image, which will get cached, has probably lead to thousands of innocent people being ruined by these terrible laws.<br>And you can bet your ass that people have done this on purpose to get their enemies caught and ruin their life.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Okay , i 'm a mod on a forum , some pedos pops along , spams loads of images.Now... i HAVE to view those images in order to know that they are CP so i can delete them.BUT WAIT , i am now a pedo , according to several laws in several countries.NO , FUCK THAT ! Possession laws in the digital age are fucking retarded in every sense of the word.These things need to be changed , they simply will not do.The act of viewing an image , which will get cached , has probably lead to thousands of innocent people being ruined by these terrible laws.And you can bet your ass that people have done this on purpose to get their enemies caught and ruin their life .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Okay, i'm a mod on a forum, some pedos pops along, spams loads of images.Now... i HAVE to view those images in order to know that they are CP so i can delete them.BUT WAIT, i am now a pedo, according to several laws in several countries.NO, FUCK THAT!Possession laws in the digital age are fucking retarded in every sense of the word.These things need to be changed, they simply will not do.The act of viewing an image, which will get cached, has probably lead to thousands of innocent people being ruined by these terrible laws.And you can bet your ass that people have done this on purpose to get their enemies caught and ruin their life.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406501</id>
	<title>Why chase pedofiles and not child molesters?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245507720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, I wouldn't say that. Have you ever googled, etc. for child porn just to see how easily you can actually find it in the Internet? I am turned on by older women than I am but I have still done that. It wouldn't even be very far fetched claim to say that you could save some of the stuff as example even if you aren't turned on by it. Unless we know exact details of the material on his computer, how it got there and most importantly, if anyone profited from that and <b>if anyone got hurt</b>... We know nothing.</p><p>Besides, I always wonder... Why do people act as if pedophiles were horrible people. It is sexual preference that they might not be able to change themselves. What matters is if they let anyone get hurt because of that. Child molesters should be hunted down, as should people who acquire child porn in a way that it causes more injuries to children (IE: Buys it and people who produce it will gain more motivation to produce more). But people who just download it from peer to peer networks without anyone profitting or getting hurt more because of that download? Hell, it might even prevent some child abusement cases.</p><p>And yeah.. If you really think that public figure could tell police "I'll download some child porn but I'll just tell you beforehand" without massive scandals...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , I would n't say that .
Have you ever googled , etc .
for child porn just to see how easily you can actually find it in the Internet ?
I am turned on by older women than I am but I have still done that .
It would n't even be very far fetched claim to say that you could save some of the stuff as example even if you are n't turned on by it .
Unless we know exact details of the material on his computer , how it got there and most importantly , if anyone profited from that and if anyone got hurt... We know nothing.Besides , I always wonder... Why do people act as if pedophiles were horrible people .
It is sexual preference that they might not be able to change themselves .
What matters is if they let anyone get hurt because of that .
Child molesters should be hunted down , as should people who acquire child porn in a way that it causes more injuries to children ( IE : Buys it and people who produce it will gain more motivation to produce more ) .
But people who just download it from peer to peer networks without anyone profitting or getting hurt more because of that download ?
Hell , it might even prevent some child abusement cases.And yeah.. If you really think that public figure could tell police " I 'll download some child porn but I 'll just tell you beforehand " without massive scandals.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, I wouldn't say that.
Have you ever googled, etc.
for child porn just to see how easily you can actually find it in the Internet?
I am turned on by older women than I am but I have still done that.
It wouldn't even be very far fetched claim to say that you could save some of the stuff as example even if you aren't turned on by it.
Unless we know exact details of the material on his computer, how it got there and most importantly, if anyone profited from that and if anyone got hurt... We know nothing.Besides, I always wonder... Why do people act as if pedophiles were horrible people.
It is sexual preference that they might not be able to change themselves.
What matters is if they let anyone get hurt because of that.
Child molesters should be hunted down, as should people who acquire child porn in a way that it causes more injuries to children (IE: Buys it and people who produce it will gain more motivation to produce more).
But people who just download it from peer to peer networks without anyone profitting or getting hurt more because of that download?
Hell, it might even prevent some child abusement cases.And yeah.. If you really think that public figure could tell police "I'll download some child porn but I'll just tell you beforehand" without massive scandals...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28407869</id>
	<title>Re:Ninja party for the win</title>
	<author>CrystalFalcon</author>
	<datestamp>1245520800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The ninja parties are there. They just aren't visible in the polls.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The ninja parties are there .
They just are n't visible in the polls .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The ninja parties are there.
They just aren't visible in the polls.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28407559</id>
	<title>go4t</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245518040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">you can. No, Juggernaut either FrreBSD because you join today!</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>you can .
No , Juggernaut either FrreBSD because you join today !
[ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>you can.
No, Juggernaut either FrreBSD because you join today!
[goat.cx]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28409817</id>
	<title>Re:Well done Germany</title>
	<author>Elektroschock</author>
	<datestamp>1245589680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"You're lauding the Germans for their Democracy in response to an article about how most of the government there just voted to put in place internet censorship and a framework for DNS redirection to enforce it?"</p><p>It happens all over Europe and the UK is most extreme. It wasn't invented in Berlin but developed for 3-4 years in international backroom negotiations, highly parallised efforts. It is just that the Germans make much noise now about their civil liberties beeing cut... and we have a vibrant civil society in Germany that defend internet freedom. In the other nations the proposals just pass.</p><p>Regardless what passes, they will troll the implementation to death by public scrutiny.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" You 're lauding the Germans for their Democracy in response to an article about how most of the government there just voted to put in place internet censorship and a framework for DNS redirection to enforce it ?
" It happens all over Europe and the UK is most extreme .
It was n't invented in Berlin but developed for 3-4 years in international backroom negotiations , highly parallised efforts .
It is just that the Germans make much noise now about their civil liberties beeing cut... and we have a vibrant civil society in Germany that defend internet freedom .
In the other nations the proposals just pass.Regardless what passes , they will troll the implementation to death by public scrutiny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"You're lauding the Germans for their Democracy in response to an article about how most of the government there just voted to put in place internet censorship and a framework for DNS redirection to enforce it?
"It happens all over Europe and the UK is most extreme.
It wasn't invented in Berlin but developed for 3-4 years in international backroom negotiations, highly parallised efforts.
It is just that the Germans make much noise now about their civil liberties beeing cut... and we have a vibrant civil society in Germany that defend internet freedom.
In the other nations the proposals just pass.Regardless what passes, they will troll the implementation to death by public scrutiny.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406291</id>
	<title>Huzzah!</title>
	<author>scaryjohn</author>
	<datestamp>1245506100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Let me be the first to offer a hearty &quot;Yarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!&quot;</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Let me be the first to offer a hearty " Yarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Let me be the first to offer a hearty "Yarrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28408917</id>
	<title>Re:This is NOT good news</title>
	<author>skrolle2</author>
	<datestamp>1245577260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sorry your party lost a seat in the parliament, but could you try to spread a little less bullshit around, and stick to the facts?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sorry your party lost a seat in the parliament , but could you try to spread a little less bullshit around , and stick to the facts ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sorry your party lost a seat in the parliament, but could you try to spread a little less bullshit around, and stick to the facts?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28407699</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>Schemat1c</author>
	<datestamp>1245519540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>it'd be shocking if some members of parliament weren't pedophiles</p></div><p>Banned in the US.  And you wonder why these guy scream child pron so often.</p><p><a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=359924937663867563" title="google.com">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=359924937663867563</a> [google.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>it 'd be shocking if some members of parliament were n't pedophilesBanned in the US .
And you wonder why these guy scream child pron so often.http : //video.google.com/videoplay ? docid = 359924937663867563 [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it'd be shocking if some members of parliament weren't pedophilesBanned in the US.
And you wonder why these guy scream child pron so often.http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=359924937663867563 [google.com]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28409583</id>
	<title>Re:why not go for the liberal party?</title>
	<author>bled</author>
	<datestamp>1245586140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is an interview with him shortly after his decision to join the Pirate Party. In this interview he also explains why the liberal party (FDP) is not a choice for him.
For everyone who understands German: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn2At6NAg3w" title="youtube.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn2At6NAg3w</a> [youtube.com]</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is an interview with him shortly after his decision to join the Pirate Party .
In this interview he also explains why the liberal party ( FDP ) is not a choice for him .
For everyone who understands German : http : //www.youtube.com/watch ? v = Fn2At6NAg3w [ youtube.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is an interview with him shortly after his decision to join the Pirate Party.
In this interview he also explains why the liberal party (FDP) is not a choice for him.
For everyone who understands German: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fn2At6NAg3w [youtube.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28409519</id>
	<title>Re:No one here's buying it.</title>
	<author>kshade</author>
	<datestamp>1245584940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"I have been concerned with the scene for years."

You don't need to DL a bunch of kiddie pr0n to study it nor do you do it without informing any police organisation before doing so, if only to prevent any mistaken ideas, much less prevent duplication of work and chasing down useless paths.</p></div></blockquote><p>

He says that he needed the material to gain the trust of child porn vendors. This happened in 2007, but he hasn't thrown away what he got.

See: <a href="http://daten.tauss.de/StellungnahmeTauss110309.pdf" title="tauss.de" rel="nofollow">http://daten.tauss.de/StellungnahmeTauss110309.pdf</a> [tauss.de]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" I have been concerned with the scene for years .
" You do n't need to DL a bunch of kiddie pr0n to study it nor do you do it without informing any police organisation before doing so , if only to prevent any mistaken ideas , much less prevent duplication of work and chasing down useless paths .
He says that he needed the material to gain the trust of child porn vendors .
This happened in 2007 , but he has n't thrown away what he got .
See : http : //daten.tauss.de/StellungnahmeTauss110309.pdf [ tauss.de ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"I have been concerned with the scene for years.
"

You don't need to DL a bunch of kiddie pr0n to study it nor do you do it without informing any police organisation before doing so, if only to prevent any mistaken ideas, much less prevent duplication of work and chasing down useless paths.
He says that he needed the material to gain the trust of child porn vendors.
This happened in 2007, but he hasn't thrown away what he got.
See: http://daten.tauss.de/StellungnahmeTauss110309.pdf [tauss.de]
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28407849</id>
	<title>The pirate party should be very successful!</title>
	<author>plasmacutter</author>
	<datestamp>1245520620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Pirate party members of parliament have a distinct advantage of a plethora of rich, undefended parliamentary seats to board, plunder, and retain for the cause.</p><p>I expect to see them take 5 seats a day in the EU and german parliament at this point, or they'll be keelhauled by the party captain.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Pirate party members of parliament have a distinct advantage of a plethora of rich , undefended parliamentary seats to board , plunder , and retain for the cause.I expect to see them take 5 seats a day in the EU and german parliament at this point , or they 'll be keelhauled by the party captain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Pirate party members of parliament have a distinct advantage of a plethora of rich, undefended parliamentary seats to board, plunder, and retain for the cause.I expect to see them take 5 seats a day in the EU and german parliament at this point, or they'll be keelhauled by the party captain.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28418543</id>
	<title>Re:CP should be freely available to save the child</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245664620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How would you feel about being photographed nude, or during a sex act and then seeing your pictures distributed worldwide?<br>Childrens in CP pictures are people too, not objects. They might have a say about distributing all of this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How would you feel about being photographed nude , or during a sex act and then seeing your pictures distributed worldwide ? Childrens in CP pictures are people too , not objects .
They might have a say about distributing all of this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How would you feel about being photographed nude, or during a sex act and then seeing your pictures distributed worldwide?Childrens in CP pictures are people too, not objects.
They might have a say about distributing all of this.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406617</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>phorm</author>
	<datestamp>1245508980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whatever his reasons, I'm not sure that it helps to have somebody being investigated for such material as a supporter of change. If he gets convicted then it becomes a case of "see, only pedophiles and perverts would oppose this law!"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whatever his reasons , I 'm not sure that it helps to have somebody being investigated for such material as a supporter of change .
If he gets convicted then it becomes a case of " see , only pedophiles and perverts would oppose this law !
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whatever his reasons, I'm not sure that it helps to have somebody being investigated for such material as a supporter of change.
If he gets convicted then it becomes a case of "see, only pedophiles and perverts would oppose this law!
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28408557</id>
	<title>Re:kiddie porn "research"</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245615060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Not to mention the fact that it's nearly impossible to browse certain high-visibility sites (4chan) without some dumb-witted idiot posting a 8 year old child getting molested.</p></div><p>As a prestigious member of 4chan [seriously if you go check the site out, you'll see I have the vast majority of posts there] I'd like to point out how wrong you are. 4chan only <i>occasionally</i> gets child porn posted on any of its boards, perhaps only as often as a few times a month on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/b/. Usually it's gone within minutes as the mods and janitors are quick to delete it.
<br> <br>
Honestly if you just stay away from<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/b/ you'll probably never see anything worse than shitting dick-nipples.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not to mention the fact that it 's nearly impossible to browse certain high-visibility sites ( 4chan ) without some dumb-witted idiot posting a 8 year old child getting molested.As a prestigious member of 4chan [ seriously if you go check the site out , you 'll see I have the vast majority of posts there ] I 'd like to point out how wrong you are .
4chan only occasionally gets child porn posted on any of its boards , perhaps only as often as a few times a month on /b/ .
Usually it 's gone within minutes as the mods and janitors are quick to delete it .
Honestly if you just stay away from /b/ you 'll probably never see anything worse than shitting dick-nipples .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not to mention the fact that it's nearly impossible to browse certain high-visibility sites (4chan) without some dumb-witted idiot posting a 8 year old child getting molested.As a prestigious member of 4chan [seriously if you go check the site out, you'll see I have the vast majority of posts there] I'd like to point out how wrong you are.
4chan only occasionally gets child porn posted on any of its boards, perhaps only as often as a few times a month on /b/.
Usually it's gone within minutes as the mods and janitors are quick to delete it.
Honestly if you just stay away from /b/ you'll probably never see anything worse than shitting dick-nipples.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28409741</id>
	<title>Re:No one here's buying it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245588600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Part of his reasoning was that he tried to study the ways in which CP was distributed, which was part of his area of expertise. A comparison: The minister for family affairs who made the internet censorship law that was enacted last week, Ursula von der Leyen, showed CP pictures on a large screen to (unknowing) journalists. Needless to say, she was not convicted.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Part of his reasoning was that he tried to study the ways in which CP was distributed , which was part of his area of expertise .
A comparison : The minister for family affairs who made the internet censorship law that was enacted last week , Ursula von der Leyen , showed CP pictures on a large screen to ( unknowing ) journalists .
Needless to say , she was not convicted .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Part of his reasoning was that he tried to study the ways in which CP was distributed, which was part of his area of expertise.
A comparison: The minister for family affairs who made the internet censorship law that was enacted last week, Ursula von der Leyen, showed CP pictures on a large screen to (unknowing) journalists.
Needless to say, she was not convicted.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28409233</id>
	<title>Re:This is NOT good news</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1245580680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If faced with the choice between being a police state proponent or a pervert proponent, I stick with pervert. I'm a statistician, and the amount of people harmed that way is smaller.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If faced with the choice between being a police state proponent or a pervert proponent , I stick with pervert .
I 'm a statistician , and the amount of people harmed that way is smaller .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If faced with the choice between being a police state proponent or a pervert proponent, I stick with pervert.
I'm a statistician, and the amount of people harmed that way is smaller.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28409413</id>
	<title>Re:why not go for the liberal party?</title>
	<author>Shoe Puppet</author>
	<datestamp>1245583560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The FDP is primarily economic liberal, personal freedoms are secondary to them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The FDP is primarily economic liberal , personal freedoms are secondary to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The FDP is primarily economic liberal, personal freedoms are secondary to them.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406901</id>
	<title>Weird move</title>
	<author>gencha</author>
	<datestamp>1245511620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not like the Pirate Party is the only german party that is against these laws. In fact, only the 2 largest parties voted for it.<br>I would assume he hopes to get rid of these new laws and that he would stand better chances at it by joining a larger party.<br>So why would he join exactly the Pirate Party?</p><p>Maybe the cops just called him and told him that they did not only find CP on his computer but also an illegally downloaded Britney Spears album!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not like the Pirate Party is the only german party that is against these laws .
In fact , only the 2 largest parties voted for it.I would assume he hopes to get rid of these new laws and that he would stand better chances at it by joining a larger party.So why would he join exactly the Pirate Party ? Maybe the cops just called him and told him that they did not only find CP on his computer but also an illegally downloaded Britney Spears album !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not like the Pirate Party is the only german party that is against these laws.
In fact, only the 2 largest parties voted for it.I would assume he hopes to get rid of these new laws and that he would stand better chances at it by joining a larger party.So why would he join exactly the Pirate Party?Maybe the cops just called him and told him that they did not only find CP on his computer but also an illegally downloaded Britney Spears album!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406883</id>
	<title>Re:No one here's buying it.</title>
	<author>TapeCutter</author>
	<datestamp>1245511440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well said. I don't want a rock spider associated with my support for anti-censorship proponents either.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well said .
I do n't want a rock spider associated with my support for anti-censorship proponents either .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well said.
I don't want a rock spider associated with my support for anti-censorship proponents either.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_1932230.28406607</id>
	<title>Re:No one here's buying it.</title>
	<author>JaredOfEuropa</author>
	<datestamp>1245508860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Oh well... Sometimes I am inclined to think we should not direct all that blind hate against people in posession of kiddie porn.  Why?  Not because I like such people or the stuff they enjoy, but because this witch hunt against anything having to do with kiddie porn scares me rather a lot.  It's like the global warming bandwagon... the problem might be real, but the reason everybody jumps on is to push their own agenda.  Over here, the police recently investigated some (extremish) right-wing politician, and announced for some reason that they found kiddie porn on his computer.  It was odd that they announced it since it was not the object of their investigation, and as it turned out it was something like 2 images in a sizable pr0n-pile of otherwise vanilla erotica.  But... if they wanted to eliminate this guy's political career, the move suddenly makes sense, since everyone branded as a child pornographer, however tenuously, is basically branded an outcast for life in today's society.
<br> <br>
And what has been predicted is now becoming reality, in Germany at least: child pornography is being used as the excuse to institute state censorship on the Internet.  It's already been mentioned as a reason why citizens shouldn't be allowed cryptography or anynomity on the Net.  They might take away those liberties to prevent kiddie porn with everyone cheering them on, since in the fight for that cause, anything goes at the moment.  But it will not stop there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh well... Sometimes I am inclined to think we should not direct all that blind hate against people in posession of kiddie porn .
Why ? Not because I like such people or the stuff they enjoy , but because this witch hunt against anything having to do with kiddie porn scares me rather a lot .
It 's like the global warming bandwagon... the problem might be real , but the reason everybody jumps on is to push their own agenda .
Over here , the police recently investigated some ( extremish ) right-wing politician , and announced for some reason that they found kiddie porn on his computer .
It was odd that they announced it since it was not the object of their investigation , and as it turned out it was something like 2 images in a sizable pr0n-pile of otherwise vanilla erotica .
But... if they wanted to eliminate this guy 's political career , the move suddenly makes sense , since everyone branded as a child pornographer , however tenuously , is basically branded an outcast for life in today 's society .
And what has been predicted is now becoming reality , in Germany at least : child pornography is being used as the excuse to institute state censorship on the Internet .
It 's already been mentioned as a reason why citizens should n't be allowed cryptography or anynomity on the Net .
They might take away those liberties to prevent kiddie porn with everyone cheering them on , since in the fight for that cause , anything goes at the moment .
But it will not stop there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh well... Sometimes I am inclined to think we should not direct all that blind hate against people in posession of kiddie porn.
Why?  Not because I like such people or the stuff they enjoy, but because this witch hunt against anything having to do with kiddie porn scares me rather a lot.
It's like the global warming bandwagon... the problem might be real, but the reason everybody jumps on is to push their own agenda.
Over here, the police recently investigated some (extremish) right-wing politician, and announced for some reason that they found kiddie porn on his computer.
It was odd that they announced it since it was not the object of their investigation, and as it turned out it was something like 2 images in a sizable pr0n-pile of otherwise vanilla erotica.
But... if they wanted to eliminate this guy's political career, the move suddenly makes sense, since everyone branded as a child pornographer, however tenuously, is basically branded an outcast for life in today's society.
And what has been predicted is now becoming reality, in Germany at least: child pornography is being used as the excuse to institute state censorship on the Internet.
It's already been mentioned as a reason why citizens shouldn't be allowed cryptography or anynomity on the Net.
They might take away those liberties to prevent kiddie porn with everyone cheering them on, since in the fight for that cause, anything goes at the moment.
But it will not stop there.</sentencetext>
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