<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_20_176217</id>
	<title>Lies, Damn Lies, and Battery-Life Statistics</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1245523500000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>theodp writes <i>"What if automakers measured gas mileage by rolling their cars downhill with their engines idling? They might, Newsweek's Daniel Lyons suggests, if they took inspiration from the <a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/202572">MobileMark 2007 notebook battery-life benchmark test</a>, the creation of a consortium called BAPCo, whose members are &mdash; surprise &mdash; computer makers and other tech companies. Laptops score big numbers, Lyons explains, because they're tested with screens dimmed to 20\%-30\% of full brightness, Wi-Fi turned off, and the main processor chip running at 7.5\% of capacity. Professional reviewers see company-generated battery-life claims as a joke. 'The rule of thumb is that in real-world use you get about 50 percent of rated battery life,' says a Gizmodo associate editor. Leading the call for reform is the not-necessarily-altruistic AMD, who gripes that MM07 was created in Intel's labs and rigged so Intel chips would outscore AMD chips, which draw more power when idle."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>theodp writes " What if automakers measured gas mileage by rolling their cars downhill with their engines idling ?
They might , Newsweek 's Daniel Lyons suggests , if they took inspiration from the MobileMark 2007 notebook battery-life benchmark test , the creation of a consortium called BAPCo , whose members are    surprise    computer makers and other tech companies .
Laptops score big numbers , Lyons explains , because they 're tested with screens dimmed to 20 \ % -30 \ % of full brightness , Wi-Fi turned off , and the main processor chip running at 7.5 \ % of capacity .
Professional reviewers see company-generated battery-life claims as a joke .
'The rule of thumb is that in real-world use you get about 50 percent of rated battery life, ' says a Gizmodo associate editor .
Leading the call for reform is the not-necessarily-altruistic AMD , who gripes that MM07 was created in Intel 's labs and rigged so Intel chips would outscore AMD chips , which draw more power when idle .
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<sentencetext>theodp writes "What if automakers measured gas mileage by rolling their cars downhill with their engines idling?
They might, Newsweek's Daniel Lyons suggests, if they took inspiration from the MobileMark 2007 notebook battery-life benchmark test, the creation of a consortium called BAPCo, whose members are — surprise — computer makers and other tech companies.
Laptops score big numbers, Lyons explains, because they're tested with screens dimmed to 20\%-30\% of full brightness, Wi-Fi turned off, and the main processor chip running at 7.5\% of capacity.
Professional reviewers see company-generated battery-life claims as a joke.
'The rule of thumb is that in real-world use you get about 50 percent of rated battery life,' says a Gizmodo associate editor.
Leading the call for reform is the not-necessarily-altruistic AMD, who gripes that MM07 was created in Intel's labs and rigged so Intel chips would outscore AMD chips, which draw more power when idle.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403917</id>
	<title>Battery are the bane of portables</title>
	<author>physburn</author>
	<datestamp>1245488580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>
If the not catching fire and burning user crotches (SONY), there leaking
and destroying equipment (any zinc carbide+other), poisoning the
environment (Nickel Cadmium). Compared to all that, lies about
battery life, seem lucky. Hope the get batteries that work as specified,
sometime. If the battery problem was easily solved, we would have all been
driving electric cars, some ten years ago.
<p>
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</p><p>
<a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/blogs/NetBooks/feed.html" title="feeddistiller.com">NetBooks</a> [feeddistiller.com]
 @ <a href="http://www.feeddistiller.com/" title="feeddistiller.com">Feed Distiller</a> [feeddistiller.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the not catching fire and burning user crotches ( SONY ) , there leaking and destroying equipment ( any zinc carbide + other ) , poisoning the environment ( Nickel Cadmium ) .
Compared to all that , lies about battery life , seem lucky .
Hope the get batteries that work as specified , sometime .
If the battery problem was easily solved , we would have all been driving electric cars , some ten years ago .
---- NetBooks [ feeddistiller.com ] @ Feed Distiller [ feeddistiller.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
If the not catching fire and burning user crotches (SONY), there leaking
and destroying equipment (any zinc carbide+other), poisoning the
environment (Nickel Cadmium).
Compared to all that, lies about
battery life, seem lucky.
Hope the get batteries that work as specified,
sometime.
If the battery problem was easily solved, we would have all been
driving electric cars, some ten years ago.
----

NetBooks [feeddistiller.com]
 @ Feed Distiller [feeddistiller.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403613</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone pay attention to battery life anymo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245528360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>2.5 hours? Really? What's the point? My two and a half year old Thinkpad T60 gets 5 hours on a bad day. My friend with a similarly spec'd Thinkpad (a bit older) claims to have gotten 9 hours with wifi off and more like 7 hours in reasonable usage (his is tweaked a bit better). Both of us have just the extended battery (there is also space for a second, smaller battery instead of an optical drive).</htmltext>
<tokenext>2.5 hours ?
Really ? What 's the point ?
My two and a half year old Thinkpad T60 gets 5 hours on a bad day .
My friend with a similarly spec 'd Thinkpad ( a bit older ) claims to have gotten 9 hours with wifi off and more like 7 hours in reasonable usage ( his is tweaked a bit better ) .
Both of us have just the extended battery ( there is also space for a second , smaller battery instead of an optical drive ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2.5 hours?
Really? What's the point?
My two and a half year old Thinkpad T60 gets 5 hours on a bad day.
My friend with a similarly spec'd Thinkpad (a bit older) claims to have gotten 9 hours with wifi off and more like 7 hours in reasonable usage (his is tweaked a bit better).
Both of us have just the extended battery (there is also space for a second, smaller battery instead of an optical drive).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403967</id>
	<title>Fifty pounds?</title>
	<author>Kupfernigk</author>
	<datestamp>1245489000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have 300, and I can run the refrigerator, my netbook, the toilet, the central heating and the lights for 48 hours before I have to run the engine to recharge. However, carrying around ten tons of steel hulled boat somewhat defeats the portability of a netbook.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have 300 , and I can run the refrigerator , my netbook , the toilet , the central heating and the lights for 48 hours before I have to run the engine to recharge .
However , carrying around ten tons of steel hulled boat somewhat defeats the portability of a netbook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have 300, and I can run the refrigerator, my netbook, the toilet, the central heating and the lights for 48 hours before I have to run the engine to recharge.
However, carrying around ten tons of steel hulled boat somewhat defeats the portability of a netbook.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403773</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403879</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone pay attention to battery life anymo</title>
	<author>quanticle</author>
	<datestamp>1245531240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I suppose it depends on what you consider to be "good use".  I personally get at least 4.5 hours of use out of my Toshiba A305 while coding and web browsing.  Good thing, too, since I'm often not able to find a free power outlet while I'm at school.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I suppose it depends on what you consider to be " good use " .
I personally get at least 4.5 hours of use out of my Toshiba A305 while coding and web browsing .
Good thing , too , since I 'm often not able to find a free power outlet while I 'm at school .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I suppose it depends on what you consider to be "good use".
I personally get at least 4.5 hours of use out of my Toshiba A305 while coding and web browsing.
Good thing, too, since I'm often not able to find a free power outlet while I'm at school.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403517</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28407623</id>
	<title>Re:Gas milage</title>
	<author>pushing-robot</author>
	<datestamp>1245518640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>While they don't do that, what they do is almost as bad.</p><p>They tune the car perfectly and esentially put it on a rollers in a room. No road, no wind, no hills, just the car sitting in a room under perfect driving conditions.</p></div><p> <a href="http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/how\_tested.shtml" title="fueleconomy.gov">You mean this?</a> [fueleconomy.gov] </p><p>At least in the US, automakers are following federal law.  The "rollers" you mention are computer-controlled dynamometers which provide realistic resistance based on the speed of the vehicle, simulating road and air resistance.  Not only does indoor testing provide controlled, repeatable conditions, but it makes it possible to test the fuel consumption and pollution much more accurately, by capturing and analyzing the vehicle's exhaust.</p><p>If you can't get the rated mileage, you should really look at your own driving habits.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>While they do n't do that , what they do is almost as bad.They tune the car perfectly and esentially put it on a rollers in a room .
No road , no wind , no hills , just the car sitting in a room under perfect driving conditions .
You mean this ?
[ fueleconomy.gov ] At least in the US , automakers are following federal law .
The " rollers " you mention are computer-controlled dynamometers which provide realistic resistance based on the speed of the vehicle , simulating road and air resistance .
Not only does indoor testing provide controlled , repeatable conditions , but it makes it possible to test the fuel consumption and pollution much more accurately , by capturing and analyzing the vehicle 's exhaust.If you ca n't get the rated mileage , you should really look at your own driving habits .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While they don't do that, what they do is almost as bad.They tune the car perfectly and esentially put it on a rollers in a room.
No road, no wind, no hills, just the car sitting in a room under perfect driving conditions.
You mean this?
[fueleconomy.gov] At least in the US, automakers are following federal law.
The "rollers" you mention are computer-controlled dynamometers which provide realistic resistance based on the speed of the vehicle, simulating road and air resistance.
Not only does indoor testing provide controlled, repeatable conditions, but it makes it possible to test the fuel consumption and pollution much more accurately, by capturing and analyzing the vehicle's exhaust.If you can't get the rated mileage, you should really look at your own driving habits.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403835</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28411203</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Don't</title>
	<author>brackishboy</author>
	<datestamp>1245603540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's <a href="http://www.hyperdrive.com/HyperMac-External-MacBook-Power-s/91.htm" title="hyperdrive.com" rel="nofollow">bindun!</a> [hyperdrive.com] <br>
<br>
Sure, it's almost as big as the smaller MacBooks and ugly as hell, but 32 hours of battery life is nothing to sniff at if you're doing field work. Perhaps Ars Technica will manage a whole WWDC keynote next year without having to change out laptops<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's bindun !
[ hyperdrive.com ] Sure , it 's almost as big as the smaller MacBooks and ugly as hell , but 32 hours of battery life is nothing to sniff at if you 're doing field work .
Perhaps Ars Technica will manage a whole WWDC keynote next year without having to change out laptops : P</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's bindun!
[hyperdrive.com] 

Sure, it's almost as big as the smaller MacBooks and ugly as hell, but 32 hours of battery life is nothing to sniff at if you're doing field work.
Perhaps Ars Technica will manage a whole WWDC keynote next year without having to change out laptops :P</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403939</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Don't</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1245488820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What baffles me is how battery technology hasn't improved a whole bunch. I know there's no like, O'Vac's Law or something like Moore's Law, but why has it proven so difficult to improve battery life for laptops beyond 4-5 hours?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What baffles me is how battery technology has n't improved a whole bunch .
I know there 's no like , O'Vac 's Law or something like Moore 's Law , but why has it proven so difficult to improve battery life for laptops beyond 4-5 hours ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What baffles me is how battery technology hasn't improved a whole bunch.
I know there's no like, O'Vac's Law or something like Moore's Law, but why has it proven so difficult to improve battery life for laptops beyond 4-5 hours?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403507</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403667</id>
	<title>I don't trust Apple's sealed-in batteries</title>
	<author>argent</author>
	<datestamp>1245528900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I will never buy a laptop with a non-removable battery even if it gets 8 hours playing MMOs at full resolution. I *have* a Macbook Pro, and if it had an "iBattery" my laptop would have been destroyed when the battery failed and swelled... instead of having the battery pop safely out of its compartment.</p><p>Better battery, great, but I'll take a laptop that's a millimeter thicker if that's what it takes to put a door on the battery compartment.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I will never buy a laptop with a non-removable battery even if it gets 8 hours playing MMOs at full resolution .
I * have * a Macbook Pro , and if it had an " iBattery " my laptop would have been destroyed when the battery failed and swelled... instead of having the battery pop safely out of its compartment.Better battery , great , but I 'll take a laptop that 's a millimeter thicker if that 's what it takes to put a door on the battery compartment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I will never buy a laptop with a non-removable battery even if it gets 8 hours playing MMOs at full resolution.
I *have* a Macbook Pro, and if it had an "iBattery" my laptop would have been destroyed when the battery failed and swelled... instead of having the battery pop safely out of its compartment.Better battery, great, but I'll take a laptop that's a millimeter thicker if that's what it takes to put a door on the battery compartment.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403835</id>
	<title>Gas milage</title>
	<author>DaveV1.0</author>
	<datestamp>1245530760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>What if automakers measured gas mileage by rolling their cars downhill with their engines idling?</p></div></blockquote><p>While they don't do that, what they do is almost as bad.</p><p>They tune the car perfectly and esentially put it on a rollers in a room. No road, no wind, no hills, just the car sitting in a room under perfect driving conditions.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What if automakers measured gas mileage by rolling their cars downhill with their engines idling ? While they do n't do that , what they do is almost as bad.They tune the car perfectly and esentially put it on a rollers in a room .
No road , no wind , no hills , just the car sitting in a room under perfect driving conditions .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if automakers measured gas mileage by rolling their cars downhill with their engines idling?While they don't do that, what they do is almost as bad.They tune the car perfectly and esentially put it on a rollers in a room.
No road, no wind, no hills, just the car sitting in a room under perfect driving conditions.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28408939</id>
	<title>Re:Justifying piracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245577440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, mod him troll you pathetic hypocrites, you make me sick.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , mod him troll you pathetic hypocrites , you make me sick .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, mod him troll you pathetic hypocrites, you make me sick.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403929</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Don't</title>
	<author>Macman408</author>
	<datestamp>1245488700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>if someone comes out with a spare-battery-attached-to-a-magsafe-connector for those die-hards who absolutely *need* it, angels may sing in the treetops.</p></div><p>You mean like <a href="http://www.quickertek.com/products/macbook\_air\_charger.php" title="quickertek.com">this</a> [quickertek.com], <a href="http://www.batterygeek.net/SearchResults.asp?Cat=78" title="batterygeek.net">this</a> [batterygeek.net], or <a href="http://www.hyperdrive.com/HyperMac-MacBook-External-Power-s/91.htm" title="hyperdrive.com">this</a> [hyperdrive.com]?</p><p>No endorsements from me here, mind you - just wanted to point out that there are indeed such products for sale. I, however, neither own a MacBook nor have ever had any desire for a second battery on my PowerBook.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>if someone comes out with a spare-battery-attached-to-a-magsafe-connector for those die-hards who absolutely * need * it , angels may sing in the treetops.You mean like this [ quickertek.com ] , this [ batterygeek.net ] , or this [ hyperdrive.com ] ? No endorsements from me here , mind you - just wanted to point out that there are indeed such products for sale .
I , however , neither own a MacBook nor have ever had any desire for a second battery on my PowerBook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if someone comes out with a spare-battery-attached-to-a-magsafe-connector for those die-hards who absolutely *need* it, angels may sing in the treetops.You mean like this [quickertek.com], this [batterygeek.net], or this [hyperdrive.com]?No endorsements from me here, mind you - just wanted to point out that there are indeed such products for sale.
I, however, neither own a MacBook nor have ever had any desire for a second battery on my PowerBook.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28405421</id>
	<title>TP X60 here</title>
	<author>Enleth</author>
	<datestamp>1245500520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Solid 7h on a 5200mAh (70Wh) battery, while browsing, coding and doing other things I usually do when I'm on the university campus a whole day, moving from building to building (there's WiFi everywhere, but almost no freely available power outlets in the older buildings, anyway). PLD Linux, kernel 2.6.27.7, X.org 1.6.0, KDE 3.5.10.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Solid 7h on a 5200mAh ( 70Wh ) battery , while browsing , coding and doing other things I usually do when I 'm on the university campus a whole day , moving from building to building ( there 's WiFi everywhere , but almost no freely available power outlets in the older buildings , anyway ) .
PLD Linux , kernel 2.6.27.7 , X.org 1.6.0 , KDE 3.5.10 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Solid 7h on a 5200mAh (70Wh) battery, while browsing, coding and doing other things I usually do when I'm on the university campus a whole day, moving from building to building (there's WiFi everywhere, but almost no freely available power outlets in the older buildings, anyway).
PLD Linux, kernel 2.6.27.7, X.org 1.6.0, KDE 3.5.10.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28404169</id>
	<title>Quit begging and start barking</title>
	<author>hyades1</author>
	<datestamp>1245490980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> If the trade publications weren't such complete and utter whores, they would have developed a legitimate, real-world test of battery life that would drive the industry version into the toilet, where it belongs. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If the trade publications were n't such complete and utter whores , they would have developed a legitimate , real-world test of battery life that would drive the industry version into the toilet , where it belongs .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> If the trade publications weren't such complete and utter whores, they would have developed a legitimate, real-world test of battery life that would drive the industry version into the toilet, where it belongs. </sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403765</id>
	<title>Three Numbers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245529980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>In my own experience, I've found there are 3 different battery life numbers you run into with any laptops.  These numbers are always significantly different.</p><p>1. The life the manufacturer tells you that you'll get<br>2. The life every reviewer (and some<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. readers) swear you'll actually get<br>3. The life you actually do get</p><p>Regardless of 1 or 2, I've found that 2.5 hrs is a good ballpark for 3 when the laptop is new.  (ok, for Apple, the newest one I've used is a bit over 2 years old, but was in that ballpark when new.  My newer HP w/o the add-on battery is a little better than that, but same ballpark)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>In my own experience , I 've found there are 3 different battery life numbers you run into with any laptops .
These numbers are always significantly different.1 .
The life the manufacturer tells you that you 'll get2 .
The life every reviewer ( and some / .
readers ) swear you 'll actually get3 .
The life you actually do getRegardless of 1 or 2 , I 've found that 2.5 hrs is a good ballpark for 3 when the laptop is new .
( ok , for Apple , the newest one I 've used is a bit over 2 years old , but was in that ballpark when new .
My newer HP w/o the add-on battery is a little better than that , but same ballpark )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my own experience, I've found there are 3 different battery life numbers you run into with any laptops.
These numbers are always significantly different.1.
The life the manufacturer tells you that you'll get2.
The life every reviewer (and some /.
readers) swear you'll actually get3.
The life you actually do getRegardless of 1 or 2, I've found that 2.5 hrs is a good ballpark for 3 when the laptop is new.
(ok, for Apple, the newest one I've used is a bit over 2 years old, but was in that ballpark when new.
My newer HP w/o the add-on battery is a little better than that, but same ballpark)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28411325</id>
	<title>Re:gas mialage</title>
	<author>Albert Sandberg</author>
	<datestamp>1245604800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm sure that if Escher was alive today he'd work for the motor industry!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm sure that if Escher was alive today he 'd work for the motor industry !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm sure that if Escher was alive today he'd work for the motor industry!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403503</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28404081</id>
	<title>Re:Three Numbers</title>
	<author>Macman408</author>
	<datestamp>1245489960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In my own experience, I've found there are 3 different battery life numbers you run into with any laptops.  These numbers are always significantly different.</p></div><p>That's because the chips in the laptops actually vary quite a bit. Given two "identical" chips (CPU and GPU are the biggest power consuming chips, so the most likely to influence the battery life), one might draw a few more watts than the other at both peak and idle consumption. The chips will be sold with a spec of what their maximum consumption is, and they're guaranteed to be below that. I doubt most manufacturers test with a worst-case CPU and worst-case GPU and a worst-case battery (whose capacity is slightly lower for whatever reason). More likely, they test on a number of different machines, and report a typical number.  The reviewer and every other individual will only have one sample to work with, and are likely to see something completely different from each other.</p><p>Not to mention, usage patterns vary hugely. I tend to use my laptop with the screen on the absolute dimmest setting. Most people don't. I keep a CPU monitor on the screen so I know when a particular web page or application is chowing down on power. Most people don't. For these and other reasons, I tend to get pretty decent battery life on my laptop, even though it's 6 years old (with a battery replacement after 3 years. Obviously however, battery life is not as good as it once was; but it's enough for my occasional usage.).</p></div>
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<tokenext>In my own experience , I 've found there are 3 different battery life numbers you run into with any laptops .
These numbers are always significantly different.That 's because the chips in the laptops actually vary quite a bit .
Given two " identical " chips ( CPU and GPU are the biggest power consuming chips , so the most likely to influence the battery life ) , one might draw a few more watts than the other at both peak and idle consumption .
The chips will be sold with a spec of what their maximum consumption is , and they 're guaranteed to be below that .
I doubt most manufacturers test with a worst-case CPU and worst-case GPU and a worst-case battery ( whose capacity is slightly lower for whatever reason ) .
More likely , they test on a number of different machines , and report a typical number .
The reviewer and every other individual will only have one sample to work with , and are likely to see something completely different from each other.Not to mention , usage patterns vary hugely .
I tend to use my laptop with the screen on the absolute dimmest setting .
Most people do n't .
I keep a CPU monitor on the screen so I know when a particular web page or application is chowing down on power .
Most people do n't .
For these and other reasons , I tend to get pretty decent battery life on my laptop , even though it 's 6 years old ( with a battery replacement after 3 years .
Obviously however , battery life is not as good as it once was ; but it 's enough for my occasional usage .
) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In my own experience, I've found there are 3 different battery life numbers you run into with any laptops.
These numbers are always significantly different.That's because the chips in the laptops actually vary quite a bit.
Given two "identical" chips (CPU and GPU are the biggest power consuming chips, so the most likely to influence the battery life), one might draw a few more watts than the other at both peak and idle consumption.
The chips will be sold with a spec of what their maximum consumption is, and they're guaranteed to be below that.
I doubt most manufacturers test with a worst-case CPU and worst-case GPU and a worst-case battery (whose capacity is slightly lower for whatever reason).
More likely, they test on a number of different machines, and report a typical number.
The reviewer and every other individual will only have one sample to work with, and are likely to see something completely different from each other.Not to mention, usage patterns vary hugely.
I tend to use my laptop with the screen on the absolute dimmest setting.
Most people don't.
I keep a CPU monitor on the screen so I know when a particular web page or application is chowing down on power.
Most people don't.
For these and other reasons, I tend to get pretty decent battery life on my laptop, even though it's 6 years old (with a battery replacement after 3 years.
Obviously however, battery life is not as good as it once was; but it's enough for my occasional usage.
).
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403577</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone pay attention to battery life anymo</title>
	<author>FishWithAHammer</author>
	<datestamp>1245528000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hasn't changed? The hell it hasn't. My new Dell Studio 15, with the standard battery (6-cell, I think), gets three hours and forty-five minutes under regular usage (i.e., not playing Dwarf Fortress or doing something graphically intensive). It'd get more with Aero Glass off.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Has n't changed ?
The hell it has n't .
My new Dell Studio 15 , with the standard battery ( 6-cell , I think ) , gets three hours and forty-five minutes under regular usage ( i.e. , not playing Dwarf Fortress or doing something graphically intensive ) .
It 'd get more with Aero Glass off .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hasn't changed?
The hell it hasn't.
My new Dell Studio 15, with the standard battery (6-cell, I think), gets three hours and forty-five minutes under regular usage (i.e., not playing Dwarf Fortress or doing something graphically intensive).
It'd get more with Aero Glass off.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403509</id>
	<title>If you can't win, change the game.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245527580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Intel may twist the numbers, but they are clearly ahead of AMD in most areas.<br>They were behind in P4 times but the got their act together.</p><p>AMD better produces some better processors before they are out of the game.<br>Crying out loud dosen't help even a tiny bit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Intel may twist the numbers , but they are clearly ahead of AMD in most areas.They were behind in P4 times but the got their act together.AMD better produces some better processors before they are out of the game.Crying out loud dose n't help even a tiny bit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Intel may twist the numbers, but they are clearly ahead of AMD in most areas.They were behind in P4 times but the got their act together.AMD better produces some better processors before they are out of the game.Crying out loud dosen't help even a tiny bit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28411117</id>
	<title>Re:Already have that</title>
	<author>thePowerOfGrayskull</author>
	<datestamp>1245602640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is exactly why I don't understand the fuss over non-removable batteries. You get better battery life, and if you need extra power you've always been able to buy external battery packs [batterygeek.net].</p> </div><p>The fuss is that batteries have a finite number of charge/discharge cycles.  So when your non-removable battery drops to such a short cycle duration as to be a joke, you're pretty much screwed.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is exactly why I do n't understand the fuss over non-removable batteries .
You get better battery life , and if you need extra power you 've always been able to buy external battery packs [ batterygeek.net ] .
The fuss is that batteries have a finite number of charge/discharge cycles .
So when your non-removable battery drops to such a short cycle duration as to be a joke , you 're pretty much screwed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is exactly why I don't understand the fuss over non-removable batteries.
You get better battery life, and if you need extra power you've always been able to buy external battery packs [batterygeek.net].
The fuss is that batteries have a finite number of charge/discharge cycles.
So when your non-removable battery drops to such a short cycle duration as to be a joke, you're pretty much screwed.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403737</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone pay attention to battery life anymo</title>
	<author>Chrigi</author>
	<datestamp>1245529620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I totally agree. I like my battery to last long and I can understand when 2h are just not enough but when you buy a Laptop the power consumption is not in the focus. Most end users won't even look at the numbers and expect about 2h.
I think this will only change when the majority of Laptop batteries last for 5h+. Give it 2 years after that and the masses will expect 5h. Right now it's still 2h.
I'm always watching the battery status and feel sad for every \% I lose but that's just my paranoia and most users won't even think something's odd when the advertised 100000h battery time is not met. They just don't care...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I totally agree .
I like my battery to last long and I can understand when 2h are just not enough but when you buy a Laptop the power consumption is not in the focus .
Most end users wo n't even look at the numbers and expect about 2h .
I think this will only change when the majority of Laptop batteries last for 5h + .
Give it 2 years after that and the masses will expect 5h .
Right now it 's still 2h .
I 'm always watching the battery status and feel sad for every \ % I lose but that 's just my paranoia and most users wo n't even think something 's odd when the advertised 100000h battery time is not met .
They just do n't care.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I totally agree.
I like my battery to last long and I can understand when 2h are just not enough but when you buy a Laptop the power consumption is not in the focus.
Most end users won't even look at the numbers and expect about 2h.
I think this will only change when the majority of Laptop batteries last for 5h+.
Give it 2 years after that and the masses will expect 5h.
Right now it's still 2h.
I'm always watching the battery status and feel sad for every \% I lose but that's just my paranoia and most users won't even think something's odd when the advertised 100000h battery time is not met.
They just don't care...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403469</id>
	<title>Who did this study?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245527340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Captain Obvious?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Captain Obvious ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Captain Obvious?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403773</id>
	<title>If you want long battery life...</title>
	<author>girlintraining</author>
	<datestamp>1245530100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get a voltage regulator and a couple deep cycle marine batteries. You'd be amazed what fifty pounds of battery can accomplish. -\_- Maybe the problem here is "Battery life" is a poor measurement in the first place. There's no frame of reference, for one, and for two, it varies by how you use it. Miles per Gallon is also affected by your driving style. Why do people assume statistics for computers would somehow be more objective?</p><p>In other news, people use laptops in places without a wall outlet? Inconceivable! I've never seen such madness...<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get a voltage regulator and a couple deep cycle marine batteries .
You 'd be amazed what fifty pounds of battery can accomplish .
- \ _- Maybe the problem here is " Battery life " is a poor measurement in the first place .
There 's no frame of reference , for one , and for two , it varies by how you use it .
Miles per Gallon is also affected by your driving style .
Why do people assume statistics for computers would somehow be more objective ? In other news , people use laptops in places without a wall outlet ?
Inconceivable ! I 've never seen such madness... ; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get a voltage regulator and a couple deep cycle marine batteries.
You'd be amazed what fifty pounds of battery can accomplish.
-\_- Maybe the problem here is "Battery life" is a poor measurement in the first place.
There's no frame of reference, for one, and for two, it varies by how you use it.
Miles per Gallon is also affected by your driving style.
Why do people assume statistics for computers would somehow be more objective?In other news, people use laptops in places without a wall outlet?
Inconceivable! I've never seen such madness... ;)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403963</id>
	<title>This article is hype</title>
	<author>pubwvj</author>
	<datestamp>1245488940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>So? My processor is running at 12\%, my screen is dimmed to 40\%, that's normal. I got longer than advertised battery time for years. (My battery is now old so not surprisingly it is getting less time per charge.) If I want to do hard work I plug in to wall power but if I'm running off battery I'm thankful that the machine tones down it's power consumption. That's good power management.  Frankly, this was a whiny say-nothing article.</htmltext>
<tokenext>So ?
My processor is running at 12 \ % , my screen is dimmed to 40 \ % , that 's normal .
I got longer than advertised battery time for years .
( My battery is now old so not surprisingly it is getting less time per charge .
) If I want to do hard work I plug in to wall power but if I 'm running off battery I 'm thankful that the machine tones down it 's power consumption .
That 's good power management .
Frankly , this was a whiny say-nothing article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So?
My processor is running at 12\%, my screen is dimmed to 40\%, that's normal.
I got longer than advertised battery time for years.
(My battery is now old so not surprisingly it is getting less time per charge.
) If I want to do hard work I plug in to wall power but if I'm running off battery I'm thankful that the machine tones down it's power consumption.
That's good power management.
Frankly, this was a whiny say-nothing article.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28406197</id>
	<title>Re:Who did this study?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245505500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dan Lyons, better known as a SCO/Microsoft shill in the SCO vs. IBM lawsuit.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dan Lyons , better known as a SCO/Microsoft shill in the SCO vs. IBM lawsuit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dan Lyons, better known as a SCO/Microsoft shill in the SCO vs. IBM lawsuit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403727</id>
	<title>Standards</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1245529560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>As long as everyone is using the same standard, it is not that big of a problem.  If we go before cars, to horses, we can see why this is.  The story is that James Watt used the term horsepower to market the steam engine, for instance, the ROI might be related to the number of horses you did not have to maintain.  The story also is that he did not make his horses work very hard.  As today, the ROI was well overstated, but as the relationship became less about horse and more about steam engines, the standard became more useful.
<p>
We saw the same issue with clock cycles.  People misinterpreted, and the marketing drones were more than happy to let them do so, clocking as measure of work.  A faster processor did not mean that more work would get done, but the consumer did not know that, so they would pay more for fantasy benefits.
</p><p>
In terms of fuel consumption, and battery life, the reality is more of the horsepower that the gigahertz.  As long as one is running comparable tests, then one can assume that a car rated at 20 mpg will run longer than a car rated at 10 mpg, just like a computer that is rated for 4 hours will run longer than a computer rated at 2 hours.  The problem, like the horse, is related the terms horse, hour, and mpg to actual physical quantities.  We know that the physical performance is actual 20\% or so less in real life.
</p><p>
As mentioned elsewhere, what messes life up is companies like Apple that advertise 3 hours of battery life, and, under normal use, actually get it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As long as everyone is using the same standard , it is not that big of a problem .
If we go before cars , to horses , we can see why this is .
The story is that James Watt used the term horsepower to market the steam engine , for instance , the ROI might be related to the number of horses you did not have to maintain .
The story also is that he did not make his horses work very hard .
As today , the ROI was well overstated , but as the relationship became less about horse and more about steam engines , the standard became more useful .
We saw the same issue with clock cycles .
People misinterpreted , and the marketing drones were more than happy to let them do so , clocking as measure of work .
A faster processor did not mean that more work would get done , but the consumer did not know that , so they would pay more for fantasy benefits .
In terms of fuel consumption , and battery life , the reality is more of the horsepower that the gigahertz .
As long as one is running comparable tests , then one can assume that a car rated at 20 mpg will run longer than a car rated at 10 mpg , just like a computer that is rated for 4 hours will run longer than a computer rated at 2 hours .
The problem , like the horse , is related the terms horse , hour , and mpg to actual physical quantities .
We know that the physical performance is actual 20 \ % or so less in real life .
As mentioned elsewhere , what messes life up is companies like Apple that advertise 3 hours of battery life , and , under normal use , actually get it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As long as everyone is using the same standard, it is not that big of a problem.
If we go before cars, to horses, we can see why this is.
The story is that James Watt used the term horsepower to market the steam engine, for instance, the ROI might be related to the number of horses you did not have to maintain.
The story also is that he did not make his horses work very hard.
As today, the ROI was well overstated, but as the relationship became less about horse and more about steam engines, the standard became more useful.
We saw the same issue with clock cycles.
People misinterpreted, and the marketing drones were more than happy to let them do so, clocking as measure of work.
A faster processor did not mean that more work would get done, but the consumer did not know that, so they would pay more for fantasy benefits.
In terms of fuel consumption, and battery life, the reality is more of the horsepower that the gigahertz.
As long as one is running comparable tests, then one can assume that a car rated at 20 mpg will run longer than a car rated at 10 mpg, just like a computer that is rated for 4 hours will run longer than a computer rated at 2 hours.
The problem, like the horse, is related the terms horse, hour, and mpg to actual physical quantities.
We know that the physical performance is actual 20\% or so less in real life.
As mentioned elsewhere, what messes life up is companies like Apple that advertise 3 hours of battery life, and, under normal use, actually get it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28406955</id>
	<title>Re:Hate to sound like a Mac whore</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245512160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Buying a Mac has always been like buying a Rolls Royce. Yes, it's expensive, but when you ask how powerful it is, the salesman will just look at you funny and say, "it's powerful enough." Because you're not buying a Mac for battery life, or GHz, or some other number, you're buying a Mac because someone else has gone to the effort of making the right choices on your behalf and what you get is a finished product. No assembly required, no guessing about whether it will perform to expectation because your expectation is exactly in line with the manufacturer - before you started thinking about buying the product.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Buying a Mac has always been like buying a Rolls Royce .
Yes , it 's expensive , but when you ask how powerful it is , the salesman will just look at you funny and say , " it 's powerful enough .
" Because you 're not buying a Mac for battery life , or GHz , or some other number , you 're buying a Mac because someone else has gone to the effort of making the right choices on your behalf and what you get is a finished product .
No assembly required , no guessing about whether it will perform to expectation because your expectation is exactly in line with the manufacturer - before you started thinking about buying the product .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Buying a Mac has always been like buying a Rolls Royce.
Yes, it's expensive, but when you ask how powerful it is, the salesman will just look at you funny and say, "it's powerful enough.
" Because you're not buying a Mac for battery life, or GHz, or some other number, you're buying a Mac because someone else has gone to the effort of making the right choices on your behalf and what you get is a finished product.
No assembly required, no guessing about whether it will perform to expectation because your expectation is exactly in line with the manufacturer - before you started thinking about buying the product.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403517</id>
	<title>Does anyone pay attention to battery life anymore?</title>
	<author>Hadlock</author>
	<datestamp>1245527580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Most people expect 2.5 hours of "good use" out of a laptop battery when new. This number hasn't really changed since 1998 or so. I can't remember the last time I used battery life when evaluating a laptop - if you NEED more than 2.5 hours of battery life, you just buy a second battery. People assume half the life stated as rule of thumb the same way I assume real world gas mileage as (EPA gas mileage * 0.8) for cars I drive.<br>
&nbsp; <br>The correct title for this article is "Does anyone still pay attention to marketing hype about batteries, or, how I learned to stop caring and ignore the marketing hype".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Most people expect 2.5 hours of " good use " out of a laptop battery when new .
This number has n't really changed since 1998 or so .
I ca n't remember the last time I used battery life when evaluating a laptop - if you NEED more than 2.5 hours of battery life , you just buy a second battery .
People assume half the life stated as rule of thumb the same way I assume real world gas mileage as ( EPA gas mileage * 0.8 ) for cars I drive .
  The correct title for this article is " Does anyone still pay attention to marketing hype about batteries , or , how I learned to stop caring and ignore the marketing hype " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Most people expect 2.5 hours of "good use" out of a laptop battery when new.
This number hasn't really changed since 1998 or so.
I can't remember the last time I used battery life when evaluating a laptop - if you NEED more than 2.5 hours of battery life, you just buy a second battery.
People assume half the life stated as rule of thumb the same way I assume real world gas mileage as (EPA gas mileage * 0.8) for cars I drive.
  The correct title for this article is "Does anyone still pay attention to marketing hype about batteries, or, how I learned to stop caring and ignore the marketing hype".</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403575</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone pay attention to battery life anymo</title>
	<author>marc.andrysco</author>
	<datestamp>1245528000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>My latest laptop advertised 2.5 hours of battery life, which I would've been fine with.  It's enough to last through two classes, after which I can normally find a power outlet.
<br> <br>
I wasn't very careful looking at the battery life, and, to my dismay, I took it home to find out it could only hold a charge for 1.5 hours. This is even on pretty conservative settings with the screen dimmed as low as possible. Now that it's starting to age, I'm down to about 1 hour of battery, which doesn't even last through my 75 minute classes.<p><div class="quote"><p>Most people expect 2.5 hours of "good use" out of a laptop battery when new. This number hasn't really changed since 1998 or so. I can't remember the last time I used battery life when evaluating a laptop - if you NEED more than 2.5 hours of battery life, you just buy a second battery.</p></div><p>
Oh, how I wish that were the case.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>My latest laptop advertised 2.5 hours of battery life , which I would 've been fine with .
It 's enough to last through two classes , after which I can normally find a power outlet .
I was n't very careful looking at the battery life , and , to my dismay , I took it home to find out it could only hold a charge for 1.5 hours .
This is even on pretty conservative settings with the screen dimmed as low as possible .
Now that it 's starting to age , I 'm down to about 1 hour of battery , which does n't even last through my 75 minute classes.Most people expect 2.5 hours of " good use " out of a laptop battery when new .
This number has n't really changed since 1998 or so .
I ca n't remember the last time I used battery life when evaluating a laptop - if you NEED more than 2.5 hours of battery life , you just buy a second battery .
Oh , how I wish that were the case .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My latest laptop advertised 2.5 hours of battery life, which I would've been fine with.
It's enough to last through two classes, after which I can normally find a power outlet.
I wasn't very careful looking at the battery life, and, to my dismay, I took it home to find out it could only hold a charge for 1.5 hours.
This is even on pretty conservative settings with the screen dimmed as low as possible.
Now that it's starting to age, I'm down to about 1 hour of battery, which doesn't even last through my 75 minute classes.Most people expect 2.5 hours of "good use" out of a laptop battery when new.
This number hasn't really changed since 1998 or so.
I can't remember the last time I used battery life when evaluating a laptop - if you NEED more than 2.5 hours of battery life, you just buy a second battery.
Oh, how I wish that were the case.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403507</id>
	<title>Apple Don't</title>
	<author>Space cowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1245527580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>
Take a look at <a href="http://anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=3580&amp;p=4" title="anandtech.com">Anandtech's MBP review</a> [anandtech.com]. The tagline 'Battery life to die for' sort of gives away the tale though.
<br> <br>

Apple claim 5-8 hours. Anand got 4.92 (heavy downloading + XVid + Web browsing) to 8.13 hours (Wireless web browsing) with the screen at half-brightness ("completely useable") and no funny optimisations.
<br> <br>


Maybe, just maybe, there's something to this "our batteries are better" thing they've got going; if someone comes out with a spare-battery-attached-to-a-magsafe-connector for those die-hards who absolutely *need* it, angels may sing in the treetops. Personally I've never needed to change the battery in my portable (whatever portable I've had) so it's no big deal to me. Yadda yadda, one datapoint not a trend...
<br> <br>
Simon.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Take a look at Anandtech 's MBP review [ anandtech.com ] .
The tagline 'Battery life to die for ' sort of gives away the tale though .
Apple claim 5-8 hours .
Anand got 4.92 ( heavy downloading + XVid + Web browsing ) to 8.13 hours ( Wireless web browsing ) with the screen at half-brightness ( " completely useable " ) and no funny optimisations .
Maybe , just maybe , there 's something to this " our batteries are better " thing they 've got going ; if someone comes out with a spare-battery-attached-to-a-magsafe-connector for those die-hards who absolutely * need * it , angels may sing in the treetops .
Personally I 've never needed to change the battery in my portable ( whatever portable I 've had ) so it 's no big deal to me .
Yadda yadda , one datapoint not a trend.. . Simon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Take a look at Anandtech's MBP review [anandtech.com].
The tagline 'Battery life to die for' sort of gives away the tale though.
Apple claim 5-8 hours.
Anand got 4.92 (heavy downloading + XVid + Web browsing) to 8.13 hours (Wireless web browsing) with the screen at half-brightness ("completely useable") and no funny optimisations.
Maybe, just maybe, there's something to this "our batteries are better" thing they've got going; if someone comes out with a spare-battery-attached-to-a-magsafe-connector for those die-hards who absolutely *need* it, angels may sing in the treetops.
Personally I've never needed to change the battery in my portable (whatever portable I've had) so it's no big deal to me.
Yadda yadda, one datapoint not a trend...
 
Simon.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28405989</id>
	<title>Re:The Model 100</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245504000000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>It's not exactly rugged, but I use a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia\_N810" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">Nokia N810</a> [wikipedia.org] as relatively long battery life device. I am not sure exactly how long the battery life is but it claims up to 9-10 hours of use (with Wi-Fi enabled) and at least a week of idling. Personally, I plug mine in every night and the only time I have had a low battery warning was when the I accidentally left the GPS on for 2 hours (... and it still didn't get a signal: don't buy one expecting the GPS to work).</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not exactly rugged , but I use a Nokia N810 [ wikipedia.org ] as relatively long battery life device .
I am not sure exactly how long the battery life is but it claims up to 9-10 hours of use ( with Wi-Fi enabled ) and at least a week of idling .
Personally , I plug mine in every night and the only time I have had a low battery warning was when the I accidentally left the GPS on for 2 hours ( ... and it still did n't get a signal : do n't buy one expecting the GPS to work ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not exactly rugged, but I use a Nokia N810 [wikipedia.org] as relatively long battery life device.
I am not sure exactly how long the battery life is but it claims up to 9-10 hours of use (with Wi-Fi enabled) and at least a week of idling.
Personally, I plug mine in every night and the only time I have had a low battery warning was when the I accidentally left the GPS on for 2 hours (... and it still didn't get a signal: don't buy one expecting the GPS to work).</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403687</id>
	<title>Already have that</title>
	<author>SuperKendall</author>
	<datestamp>1245529200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>If someone comes out with a spare-battery-attached-to-a-magsafe-connector for those die-hards who absolutely *need* it, angels may sing in the treetops</i></p><p>This is exactly why I don't understand the fuss over non-removable batteries.  You get better battery life, and if you need extra power you've always been able to buy <a href="http://www.batterygeek.net/Batterygeek-net-MacBook-MacBook-Pro-Battery-Packs-s/78.htm" title="batterygeek.net">external battery packs</a> [batterygeek.net].  They have cable that attach to the Magsafe connector.  You can get them in a range of sizes, including sizes that are not much larger than a spare battery would have been anyway...</p><p>Similarly there are tons of external packs for smaller devices like the iPhone/iPod (or anything usb charged).</p><p>I also have not often found the need for an second battery in a laptop if I can get at least three to four hours out of it.  Basically the only time is an international flight, and for that the external batteries are perfect.  Heck, until it broke the <a href="http://www.solio.com/charger/" title="solio.com">Solio</a> [solio.com] solar powered recharger I had could even recharge itself in-flight as long as I was at a window!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If someone comes out with a spare-battery-attached-to-a-magsafe-connector for those die-hards who absolutely * need * it , angels may sing in the treetopsThis is exactly why I do n't understand the fuss over non-removable batteries .
You get better battery life , and if you need extra power you 've always been able to buy external battery packs [ batterygeek.net ] .
They have cable that attach to the Magsafe connector .
You can get them in a range of sizes , including sizes that are not much larger than a spare battery would have been anyway...Similarly there are tons of external packs for smaller devices like the iPhone/iPod ( or anything usb charged ) .I also have not often found the need for an second battery in a laptop if I can get at least three to four hours out of it .
Basically the only time is an international flight , and for that the external batteries are perfect .
Heck , until it broke the Solio [ solio.com ] solar powered recharger I had could even recharge itself in-flight as long as I was at a window !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If someone comes out with a spare-battery-attached-to-a-magsafe-connector for those die-hards who absolutely *need* it, angels may sing in the treetopsThis is exactly why I don't understand the fuss over non-removable batteries.
You get better battery life, and if you need extra power you've always been able to buy external battery packs [batterygeek.net].
They have cable that attach to the Magsafe connector.
You can get them in a range of sizes, including sizes that are not much larger than a spare battery would have been anyway...Similarly there are tons of external packs for smaller devices like the iPhone/iPod (or anything usb charged).I also have not often found the need for an second battery in a laptop if I can get at least three to four hours out of it.
Basically the only time is an international flight, and for that the external batteries are perfect.
Heck, until it broke the Solio [solio.com] solar powered recharger I had could even recharge itself in-flight as long as I was at a window!
!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403981</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone pay attention to battery life anymo</title>
	<author>Splab</author>
	<datestamp>1245489180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"People expect 2.5 hours", speak for yourself. I expect at least 7-10 hours of battery time from a laptop, I usually don't need a laptop, but when I do I'm away from a usable outlet for quite some time. Having an additional battery is of course possible, but those can easily weigh in at 1 kg+, I got enough to log around as it is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" People expect 2.5 hours " , speak for yourself .
I expect at least 7-10 hours of battery time from a laptop , I usually do n't need a laptop , but when I do I 'm away from a usable outlet for quite some time .
Having an additional battery is of course possible , but those can easily weigh in at 1 kg + , I got enough to log around as it is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"People expect 2.5 hours", speak for yourself.
I expect at least 7-10 hours of battery time from a laptop, I usually don't need a laptop, but when I do I'm away from a usable outlet for quite some time.
Having an additional battery is of course possible, but those can easily weigh in at 1 kg+, I got enough to log around as it is.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28404011</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Don't</title>
	<author>larry bagina</author>
	<datestamp>1245489420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
I've had 2 laptops, both of which were plugged in 98\% of the time.  The first I replaced before the battery died.  The second... towards the end, the battery was lucky to last 15 minutes.  However, by that point it had for more serious problems (fan needed replacing, screen flopped around like larry king's dick without viagra, CDROM was flaky, had drive had bad sectors) and so I replaced it with a desktop machine.
</p><p>
I know there are some people who carry an extra battery and swap out, but many don't.  For them (the majority, I suspect) the extra battery life is worth the inability to change it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had 2 laptops , both of which were plugged in 98 \ % of the time .
The first I replaced before the battery died .
The second... towards the end , the battery was lucky to last 15 minutes .
However , by that point it had for more serious problems ( fan needed replacing , screen flopped around like larry king 's dick without viagra , CDROM was flaky , had drive had bad sectors ) and so I replaced it with a desktop machine .
I know there are some people who carry an extra battery and swap out , but many do n't .
For them ( the majority , I suspect ) the extra battery life is worth the inability to change it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
I've had 2 laptops, both of which were plugged in 98\% of the time.
The first I replaced before the battery died.
The second... towards the end, the battery was lucky to last 15 minutes.
However, by that point it had for more serious problems (fan needed replacing, screen flopped around like larry king's dick without viagra, CDROM was flaky, had drive had bad sectors) and so I replaced it with a desktop machine.
I know there are some people who carry an extra battery and swap out, but many don't.
For them (the majority, I suspect) the extra battery life is worth the inability to change it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28405867</id>
	<title>Re:Hate to sound like a Mac whore</title>
	<author>ouachiski</author>
	<datestamp>1245503160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Some of us don't need battery life over half an hour.  We use laptops at work for portability.  The only time I use the battery on mine is to reprogram a piece of equipment that is on the work bench.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of us do n't need battery life over half an hour .
We use laptops at work for portability .
The only time I use the battery on mine is to reprogram a piece of equipment that is on the work bench .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some of us don't need battery life over half an hour.
We use laptops at work for portability.
The only time I use the battery on mine is to reprogram a piece of equipment that is on the work bench.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28405053</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Don't</title>
	<author>archont</author>
	<datestamp>1245498300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Built-in battery?

Ahahahahahaha

Hahahaha

Oh hahahahaha

Ha.. haha.. ha

I mean.. build-in battery? Seriously?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Built-in battery ?
Ahahahahahaha Hahahaha Oh hahahahaha Ha.. haha.. ha I mean.. build-in battery ?
Seriously ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Built-in battery?
Ahahahahahaha

Hahahaha

Oh hahahahaha

Ha.. haha.. ha

I mean.. build-in battery?
Seriously?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403711</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone pay attention to battery life anymo</title>
	<author>Sorny</author>
	<datestamp>1245529440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>2.5 hours? Maybe the norm for non-Apple notebooks, but decidedly below par for a good laptop.

Then again, I have a MacBook that gets 4.5 hours, and that is with the keyboard illumination turned on.

Apple notebooks may be pricey, but you get quality and long battery life from them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>2.5 hours ?
Maybe the norm for non-Apple notebooks , but decidedly below par for a good laptop .
Then again , I have a MacBook that gets 4.5 hours , and that is with the keyboard illumination turned on .
Apple notebooks may be pricey , but you get quality and long battery life from them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>2.5 hours?
Maybe the norm for non-Apple notebooks, but decidedly below par for a good laptop.
Then again, I have a MacBook that gets 4.5 hours, and that is with the keyboard illumination turned on.
Apple notebooks may be pricey, but you get quality and long battery life from them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28404453</id>
	<title>Weight</title>
	<author>zogger</author>
	<datestamp>1245493560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The number one selling feature for new laptops seems to be weight (and slimness). If "consumers" would be willing to carry the same weight they did some years ago, sure, you could have batteries that would last a long time, even with more modern processors and so on. but they don't, lightweight sells, and people believe the marketing crap about battery life, so there ya go.</p><p>
&nbsp; An extra pound or two of battery would do wonders, but they can't hide that extra pound or two in the specs, while they can fudge about battery longevity.</p><p>
&nbsp; Batteries have gotten better, from sealed lead acid to NiMH to LiIon in laptops, but still, if they keep reducing size and weight, your amp hours of storage will never get much better. You can maybe maintain parity, but it won't get better.</p><p>I think there would be a market for it, but obviously no laptop manufacturer wants to take a chance on that, they all seem to be on the lighter is always better schtick.(same with cellphones, lighter and teeny tinier) Personally, I think laptops got "light enough to not suck" several years ago, but obviously most people just don't want to carry anything heavy anymore like they did even five years ago. Example, you can get pretty decent notebooks now at around 3 lbs. Add 2 lbs of extra battery, still at five pounds, what was considered really lightweight not that long ago. You'd have pretty good all day long battery then..but would they sell?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The number one selling feature for new laptops seems to be weight ( and slimness ) .
If " consumers " would be willing to carry the same weight they did some years ago , sure , you could have batteries that would last a long time , even with more modern processors and so on .
but they do n't , lightweight sells , and people believe the marketing crap about battery life , so there ya go .
  An extra pound or two of battery would do wonders , but they ca n't hide that extra pound or two in the specs , while they can fudge about battery longevity .
  Batteries have gotten better , from sealed lead acid to NiMH to LiIon in laptops , but still , if they keep reducing size and weight , your amp hours of storage will never get much better .
You can maybe maintain parity , but it wo n't get better.I think there would be a market for it , but obviously no laptop manufacturer wants to take a chance on that , they all seem to be on the lighter is always better schtick .
( same with cellphones , lighter and teeny tinier ) Personally , I think laptops got " light enough to not suck " several years ago , but obviously most people just do n't want to carry anything heavy anymore like they did even five years ago .
Example , you can get pretty decent notebooks now at around 3 lbs .
Add 2 lbs of extra battery , still at five pounds , what was considered really lightweight not that long ago .
You 'd have pretty good all day long battery then..but would they sell ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The number one selling feature for new laptops seems to be weight (and slimness).
If "consumers" would be willing to carry the same weight they did some years ago, sure, you could have batteries that would last a long time, even with more modern processors and so on.
but they don't, lightweight sells, and people believe the marketing crap about battery life, so there ya go.
  An extra pound or two of battery would do wonders, but they can't hide that extra pound or two in the specs, while they can fudge about battery longevity.
  Batteries have gotten better, from sealed lead acid to NiMH to LiIon in laptops, but still, if they keep reducing size and weight, your amp hours of storage will never get much better.
You can maybe maintain parity, but it won't get better.I think there would be a market for it, but obviously no laptop manufacturer wants to take a chance on that, they all seem to be on the lighter is always better schtick.
(same with cellphones, lighter and teeny tinier) Personally, I think laptops got "light enough to not suck" several years ago, but obviously most people just don't want to carry anything heavy anymore like they did even five years ago.
Example, you can get pretty decent notebooks now at around 3 lbs.
Add 2 lbs of extra battery, still at five pounds, what was considered really lightweight not that long ago.
You'd have pretty good all day long battery then..but would they sell?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403785</id>
	<title>Well, the machine IS mostly idle</title>
	<author>somenickname</author>
	<datestamp>1245530220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>For most users, the machine is probably at a CPU load of less than 7.5\% the vast majority of the time.  I don't think it's unreasonable at all to rate battery life on the assumption that the machine will almost always be at the lowest P and C states.  The wifi and brightness settings are a bit dubious but, they vendors aren't claiming that this what users will actually get.  They are just claiming that this is what the machine is capable of.  And it is.</p><p>Think of this in terms of benchmarking other things.  If a CPU vendor says a chip is capable of 10Gflops based on numbers from their highly tuned LINPACK numbers and you are able to compute that your application is only getting 5Gflops do you feel cheated?  Of course not.  If you care enough, you analyze your application and tweak it until you start getting closer to the theoretical peak of 10Gflops.  If you don't care, you simply don't do anything.</p><p>As a side note, these vendors could probably claim higher numbers than they already do if they benchmarked on linux and understood all the power savings features available.  Most linux distros come with most or all of the power savings features turned off but, with aggressive tuning, it's entirely possible to actually exceed the vendors "trumped up" numbers under casual but real world usage.  Unfortunately, most see linux as a poor platform for power savings because to get right on linux, it needs to be done by hand rather than coming pre-configured that way.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>For most users , the machine is probably at a CPU load of less than 7.5 \ % the vast majority of the time .
I do n't think it 's unreasonable at all to rate battery life on the assumption that the machine will almost always be at the lowest P and C states .
The wifi and brightness settings are a bit dubious but , they vendors are n't claiming that this what users will actually get .
They are just claiming that this is what the machine is capable of .
And it is.Think of this in terms of benchmarking other things .
If a CPU vendor says a chip is capable of 10Gflops based on numbers from their highly tuned LINPACK numbers and you are able to compute that your application is only getting 5Gflops do you feel cheated ?
Of course not .
If you care enough , you analyze your application and tweak it until you start getting closer to the theoretical peak of 10Gflops .
If you do n't care , you simply do n't do anything.As a side note , these vendors could probably claim higher numbers than they already do if they benchmarked on linux and understood all the power savings features available .
Most linux distros come with most or all of the power savings features turned off but , with aggressive tuning , it 's entirely possible to actually exceed the vendors " trumped up " numbers under casual but real world usage .
Unfortunately , most see linux as a poor platform for power savings because to get right on linux , it needs to be done by hand rather than coming pre-configured that way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>For most users, the machine is probably at a CPU load of less than 7.5\% the vast majority of the time.
I don't think it's unreasonable at all to rate battery life on the assumption that the machine will almost always be at the lowest P and C states.
The wifi and brightness settings are a bit dubious but, they vendors aren't claiming that this what users will actually get.
They are just claiming that this is what the machine is capable of.
And it is.Think of this in terms of benchmarking other things.
If a CPU vendor says a chip is capable of 10Gflops based on numbers from their highly tuned LINPACK numbers and you are able to compute that your application is only getting 5Gflops do you feel cheated?
Of course not.
If you care enough, you analyze your application and tweak it until you start getting closer to the theoretical peak of 10Gflops.
If you don't care, you simply don't do anything.As a side note, these vendors could probably claim higher numbers than they already do if they benchmarked on linux and understood all the power savings features available.
Most linux distros come with most or all of the power savings features turned off but, with aggressive tuning, it's entirely possible to actually exceed the vendors "trumped up" numbers under casual but real world usage.
Unfortunately, most see linux as a poor platform for power savings because to get right on linux, it needs to be done by hand rather than coming pre-configured that way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403901</id>
	<title>AMD: is idle power important or not?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245488400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Curiously, AMD likes to boast about its IDLE power in servers (which are less likely to be idle), but complains when idle power is used to rate laptops (which are likely to remain idle)?</p><p>http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51\_104\_543~130026,00.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Curiously , AMD likes to boast about its IDLE power in servers ( which are less likely to be idle ) , but complains when idle power is used to rate laptops ( which are likely to remain idle ) ? http : //www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51 \ _104 \ _543 ~ 130026,00.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Curiously, AMD likes to boast about its IDLE power in servers (which are less likely to be idle), but complains when idle power is used to rate laptops (which are likely to remain idle)?http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51\_104\_543~130026,00.html</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403761</id>
	<title>The Model 100</title>
	<author>ZosX</author>
	<datestamp>1245529920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>20 hours of rugged computing on the go. (Ok...rugged text entry.....) I want a netbook that captures the spirit of the Model 100.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80\_Model\_100\_line" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80\_Model\_100\_line</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>People are still using them (much less, unfortunately) today. I'd say there is a market for a long lasting computing device that is rugged.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>20 hours of rugged computing on the go .
( Ok...rugged text entry..... ) I want a netbook that captures the spirit of the Model 100.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80 \ _Model \ _100 \ _line [ wikipedia.org ] People are still using them ( much less , unfortunately ) today .
I 'd say there is a market for a long lasting computing device that is rugged .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>20 hours of rugged computing on the go.
(Ok...rugged text entry.....) I want a netbook that captures the spirit of the Model 100.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRS-80\_Model\_100\_line [wikipedia.org]People are still using them (much less, unfortunately) today.
I'd say there is a market for a long lasting computing device that is rugged.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28404141</id>
	<title>Re:Hate to sound like a Mac whore</title>
	<author>DreamsAreOkToo</author>
	<datestamp>1245490680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, your opinion, like most people's opinions, does not apply to everyone.</p><p>I bought my laptop, with an advertised battery life of 1 hour.  That was fine with me, I wasn't ever going to use my laptop someplace there wasn't a power outlet, but I planned on moving my computer a lot.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , your opinion , like most people 's opinions , does not apply to everyone.I bought my laptop , with an advertised battery life of 1 hour .
That was fine with me , I was n't ever going to use my laptop someplace there was n't a power outlet , but I planned on moving my computer a lot .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, your opinion, like most people's opinions, does not apply to everyone.I bought my laptop, with an advertised battery life of 1 hour.
That was fine with me, I wasn't ever going to use my laptop someplace there wasn't a power outlet, but I planned on moving my computer a lot.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403529</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28405549</id>
	<title>Bad analogy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245501180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fuel injected cars don't use any more gasoline rolling down a hill as they do idling, unless you happen to be accelerating down that hill. Doesn't matter whether it's revving or not - if it's getting pulled to raise the revs, then it's not using any more gas than idle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fuel injected cars do n't use any more gasoline rolling down a hill as they do idling , unless you happen to be accelerating down that hill .
Does n't matter whether it 's revving or not - if it 's getting pulled to raise the revs , then it 's not using any more gas than idle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fuel injected cars don't use any more gasoline rolling down a hill as they do idling, unless you happen to be accelerating down that hill.
Doesn't matter whether it's revving or not - if it's getting pulled to raise the revs, then it's not using any more gas than idle.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403977</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone pay attention to battery life anymo</title>
	<author>Ihmhi</author>
	<datestamp>1245489120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I would surmise that this has to do with the fact that Thinkpads seemed to be geared more towards the businessman - there would be hell and a half to pay if your laptop couldn't last for a flight on a plane. Their customers needed long battery life and they got it.</p><p>A lot of my friends who have laptops rarely actually have them untethered - they can take them around conveniently, but they always plug it into whatever open socket happens to be nearby.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would surmise that this has to do with the fact that Thinkpads seemed to be geared more towards the businessman - there would be hell and a half to pay if your laptop could n't last for a flight on a plane .
Their customers needed long battery life and they got it.A lot of my friends who have laptops rarely actually have them untethered - they can take them around conveniently , but they always plug it into whatever open socket happens to be nearby .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I would surmise that this has to do with the fact that Thinkpads seemed to be geared more towards the businessman - there would be hell and a half to pay if your laptop couldn't last for a flight on a plane.
Their customers needed long battery life and they got it.A lot of my friends who have laptops rarely actually have them untethered - they can take them around conveniently, but they always plug it into whatever open socket happens to be nearby.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403613</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403529</id>
	<title>Hate to sound like a Mac whore</title>
	<author>twistedcubic</author>
	<datestamp>1245527760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>but I get five hours of battery life on a Macbook (last year's model), so I think Apple doesn't lie about its stats (because they don't have to?).  Despite all the claims that Macs are overpriced, I think these are among the cheapest non-netbooks you can get with great battery life.  IMO, laptops which last only 2.5 hours on a battery should not be sold.</htmltext>
<tokenext>but I get five hours of battery life on a Macbook ( last year 's model ) , so I think Apple does n't lie about its stats ( because they do n't have to ? ) .
Despite all the claims that Macs are overpriced , I think these are among the cheapest non-netbooks you can get with great battery life .
IMO , laptops which last only 2.5 hours on a battery should not be sold .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>but I get five hours of battery life on a Macbook (last year's model), so I think Apple doesn't lie about its stats (because they don't have to?).
Despite all the claims that Macs are overpriced, I think these are among the cheapest non-netbooks you can get with great battery life.
IMO, laptops which last only 2.5 hours on a battery should not be sold.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28404277</id>
	<title>sex =with a 4omo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245492060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Give otAher peo1ple dim. If *BSD is with THOUSANDS of turned over to yet [nero-online.org].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Give otAher peo1ple dim .
If * BSD is with THOUSANDS of turned over to yet [ nero-online.org ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Give otAher peo1ple dim.
If *BSD is with THOUSANDS of turned over to yet [nero-online.org].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28404765</id>
	<title>one guess on long battery life on macbooks</title>
	<author>jaclu</author>
	<datestamp>1245496200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just a guess, but since they typically dont run an antivirus app in the background, both cpu and disk can idle more.</p><p>Not trying to be a macista, but I can only note that I still get around 4h wifi surfing at medium brightness out of my two year old macbook, so apple definitely do give reasonably honest battery estimates.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just a guess , but since they typically dont run an antivirus app in the background , both cpu and disk can idle more.Not trying to be a macista , but I can only note that I still get around 4h wifi surfing at medium brightness out of my two year old macbook , so apple definitely do give reasonably honest battery estimates .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just a guess, but since they typically dont run an antivirus app in the background, both cpu and disk can idle more.Not trying to be a macista, but I can only note that I still get around 4h wifi surfing at medium brightness out of my two year old macbook, so apple definitely do give reasonably honest battery estimates.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28407691</id>
	<title>Re:gas mialage</title>
	<author>Thaddeaus</author>
	<datestamp>1245519480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They would need a really big hill.</p></div><p>Plus, I don't know anyone who owns a cube laptop.<br> <br>Maybe a G3.....</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They would need a really big hill.Plus , I do n't know anyone who owns a cube laptop .
Maybe a G3.... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They would need a really big hill.Plus, I don't know anyone who owns a cube laptop.
Maybe a G3.....
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403503</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403587</id>
	<title>my old Panasonic Toughbook CF-72</title>
	<author>FudRucker</author>
	<datestamp>1245528120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>i timed how long i get out of battery power and how long it takes to full recharge, one hour each, one hour and the alarm says its time to recharge or die, and one hour to charge back up. its an old laptop i bought used to use because my big desktop generates too much heat for summertime use, it makes my office room too hot and the laptop only generates a small fraction of the heat.</htmltext>
<tokenext>i timed how long i get out of battery power and how long it takes to full recharge , one hour each , one hour and the alarm says its time to recharge or die , and one hour to charge back up .
its an old laptop i bought used to use because my big desktop generates too much heat for summertime use , it makes my office room too hot and the laptop only generates a small fraction of the heat .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i timed how long i get out of battery power and how long it takes to full recharge, one hour each, one hour and the alarm says its time to recharge or die, and one hour to charge back up.
its an old laptop i bought used to use because my big desktop generates too much heat for summertime use, it makes my office room too hot and the laptop only generates a small fraction of the heat.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403685</id>
	<title>A Challenege For AMD</title>
	<author>RoFLKOPTr</author>
	<datestamp>1245529200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey AMD, I have a challenge for you. Instead of bitching about Intel rigging their battery life testing mechanisms, why not design your chips to beat Intel at those very same tests?</p><p>Also, frankly, I don't want a CPU that uses a noticeable amount more electricity than others when it's IDLING. So at this point, just for this reason, I'm glad my computer has an Intel chip in it. But if you can beat those tests of Intel's that you say are "unfair", and you win the battery life tests that you say are rigged against you, then you definitely have a one-up on Intel in that rite.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey AMD , I have a challenge for you .
Instead of bitching about Intel rigging their battery life testing mechanisms , why not design your chips to beat Intel at those very same tests ? Also , frankly , I do n't want a CPU that uses a noticeable amount more electricity than others when it 's IDLING .
So at this point , just for this reason , I 'm glad my computer has an Intel chip in it .
But if you can beat those tests of Intel 's that you say are " unfair " , and you win the battery life tests that you say are rigged against you , then you definitely have a one-up on Intel in that rite .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey AMD, I have a challenge for you.
Instead of bitching about Intel rigging their battery life testing mechanisms, why not design your chips to beat Intel at those very same tests?Also, frankly, I don't want a CPU that uses a noticeable amount more electricity than others when it's IDLING.
So at this point, just for this reason, I'm glad my computer has an Intel chip in it.
But if you can beat those tests of Intel's that you say are "unfair", and you win the battery life tests that you say are rigged against you, then you definitely have a one-up on Intel in that rite.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403563</id>
	<title>Oh really?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245528000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've never had that probl***Battery Empty: Shutting down**</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've never had that probl * * * Battery Empty : Shutting down * *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've never had that probl***Battery Empty: Shutting down**</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28404211</id>
	<title>Re:I don't trust Apple's sealed-in batteries</title>
	<author>beelsebob</author>
	<datestamp>1245491400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except that the battery is *not* non removable.  The battery is removable in the same way as your hard disk or your memory are -- you wouldn't do it every day, or even every week, but if you need to replace it, you can.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except that the battery is * not * non removable .
The battery is removable in the same way as your hard disk or your memory are -- you would n't do it every day , or even every week , but if you need to replace it , you can .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except that the battery is *not* non removable.
The battery is removable in the same way as your hard disk or your memory are -- you wouldn't do it every day, or even every week, but if you need to replace it, you can.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403667</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403653</id>
	<title>Oh please.  If overhyping a product was a crime...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245528780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>then this guy would be in jail: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack\_obama" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack\_obama</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>then this guy would be in jail : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack \ _obama [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>then this guy would be in jail: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack\_obama [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403661</id>
	<title>Common Sense</title>
	<author>Robo210</author>
	<datestamp>1245528840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When I bought my EEE I did so because the website said I would get 7 hours of battery life from it. If this article is to be believed I should be getting about 3 hours of life out of each charge, yet in reality I regularly see 7 hours of battery life from it. Sure, I do keep the screen rather dim (but its still plenty bright to read slashdot) and don't peg the CPU at 100\% the whole time, but it seems like common sense that if I did then the battery life would suffer. I can even keep the wireless turned on the whole time.</p><p>The summary seems to focus strongly on the setup of the laptops in these tests as optimized for battery life and yet somehow unfair. Meanwhile the article itself spends most of text playing up the bickering between Intel and AMD and in the end isn't really saying anything at all.</p><p>Everybody uses their laptops differently; some people use them as portable access to slashdot while others use them as portable desktops. These people are obviously going to see differing battery lifetimes. Instead of trying to come up with a realistic range or average battery lifetime for these different workloads it only makes sense to give the consumer the absolute maximum the battery will last and let common sense tell them that pegging the CPU or bumping the screen up to 11 will give lower times.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When I bought my EEE I did so because the website said I would get 7 hours of battery life from it .
If this article is to be believed I should be getting about 3 hours of life out of each charge , yet in reality I regularly see 7 hours of battery life from it .
Sure , I do keep the screen rather dim ( but its still plenty bright to read slashdot ) and do n't peg the CPU at 100 \ % the whole time , but it seems like common sense that if I did then the battery life would suffer .
I can even keep the wireless turned on the whole time.The summary seems to focus strongly on the setup of the laptops in these tests as optimized for battery life and yet somehow unfair .
Meanwhile the article itself spends most of text playing up the bickering between Intel and AMD and in the end is n't really saying anything at all.Everybody uses their laptops differently ; some people use them as portable access to slashdot while others use them as portable desktops .
These people are obviously going to see differing battery lifetimes .
Instead of trying to come up with a realistic range or average battery lifetime for these different workloads it only makes sense to give the consumer the absolute maximum the battery will last and let common sense tell them that pegging the CPU or bumping the screen up to 11 will give lower times .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When I bought my EEE I did so because the website said I would get 7 hours of battery life from it.
If this article is to be believed I should be getting about 3 hours of life out of each charge, yet in reality I regularly see 7 hours of battery life from it.
Sure, I do keep the screen rather dim (but its still plenty bright to read slashdot) and don't peg the CPU at 100\% the whole time, but it seems like common sense that if I did then the battery life would suffer.
I can even keep the wireless turned on the whole time.The summary seems to focus strongly on the setup of the laptops in these tests as optimized for battery life and yet somehow unfair.
Meanwhile the article itself spends most of text playing up the bickering between Intel and AMD and in the end isn't really saying anything at all.Everybody uses their laptops differently; some people use them as portable access to slashdot while others use them as portable desktops.
These people are obviously going to see differing battery lifetimes.
Instead of trying to come up with a realistic range or average battery lifetime for these different workloads it only makes sense to give the consumer the absolute maximum the battery will last and let common sense tell them that pegging the CPU or bumping the screen up to 11 will give lower times.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403675</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Don't</title>
	<author>LynnwoodRooster</author>
	<datestamp>1245529020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I get 4-4.5 hours out of my 4 year old Dell D505.  I leave the backlight at 50\% - it's too bright otherwise.  WiFi usually on, new battery from 1.5 years ago.  Seems to last about what Dell claimed!  Now, if I'm doing non-stop compiling or heavy-duty FEA then the battery life drops WAY down.  But then I'm usually seated at a desk, where an outlet is just a few feet away.  When I'm traveling and need the battery life, it's typically just web and e-mail and it lasts plenty long for that...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I get 4-4.5 hours out of my 4 year old Dell D505 .
I leave the backlight at 50 \ % - it 's too bright otherwise .
WiFi usually on , new battery from 1.5 years ago .
Seems to last about what Dell claimed !
Now , if I 'm doing non-stop compiling or heavy-duty FEA then the battery life drops WAY down .
But then I 'm usually seated at a desk , where an outlet is just a few feet away .
When I 'm traveling and need the battery life , it 's typically just web and e-mail and it lasts plenty long for that.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I get 4-4.5 hours out of my 4 year old Dell D505.
I leave the backlight at 50\% - it's too bright otherwise.
WiFi usually on, new battery from 1.5 years ago.
Seems to last about what Dell claimed!
Now, if I'm doing non-stop compiling or heavy-duty FEA then the battery life drops WAY down.
But then I'm usually seated at a desk, where an outlet is just a few feet away.
When I'm traveling and need the battery life, it's typically just web and e-mail and it lasts plenty long for that...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403507</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28404305</id>
	<title>iPod</title>
	<author>pizzach</author>
	<datestamp>1245492420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I don't know how things are now or if it relates to laptops/iphone.  But I heard that iPods usually get over the rated battery life on the box.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I do n't know how things are now or if it relates to laptops/iphone .
But I heard that iPods usually get over the rated battery life on the box .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I don't know how things are now or if it relates to laptops/iphone.
But I heard that iPods usually get over the rated battery life on the box.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28410443</id>
	<title>Re:Lenovo here</title>
	<author>owlstead</author>
	<datestamp>1245597420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>SL300 here. Cheap laptop but with 6 cell battery pack. Gets 3.5 hours with Wifi enabled and some CPU intensive stuff running now and then. Gets up to 4.5 otherwise, as advertised. It's not a netbook (heavier) and it has some slightly cheap components (compared to A-brands), but I love it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>SL300 here .
Cheap laptop but with 6 cell battery pack .
Gets 3.5 hours with Wifi enabled and some CPU intensive stuff running now and then .
Gets up to 4.5 otherwise , as advertised .
It 's not a netbook ( heavier ) and it has some slightly cheap components ( compared to A-brands ) , but I love it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>SL300 here.
Cheap laptop but with 6 cell battery pack.
Gets 3.5 hours with Wifi enabled and some CPU intensive stuff running now and then.
Gets up to 4.5 otherwise, as advertised.
It's not a netbook (heavier) and it has some slightly cheap components (compared to A-brands), but I love it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403585</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28408457</id>
	<title>Re:Does anyone pay attention to battery life anymo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245527340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I remember when I was growing up and people told me about the 'truth-in-advertising laws'.  I even saw people get angry and take action against marketing lies.<br>Now that I'm older, all I see is a sea of helpless individuals that grumble, but take no action.<br>WTF? I'm not even that old.</p><p>Don't 'vote with your wallet'; instead, challenge the companies who make these well known lies.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I remember when I was growing up and people told me about the 'truth-in-advertising laws' .
I even saw people get angry and take action against marketing lies.Now that I 'm older , all I see is a sea of helpless individuals that grumble , but take no action.WTF ?
I 'm not even that old.Do n't 'vote with your wallet ' ; instead , challenge the companies who make these well known lies .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I remember when I was growing up and people told me about the 'truth-in-advertising laws'.
I even saw people get angry and take action against marketing lies.Now that I'm older, all I see is a sea of helpless individuals that grumble, but take no action.WTF?
I'm not even that old.Don't 'vote with your wallet'; instead, challenge the companies who make these well known lies.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403517</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28411067</id>
	<title>Re:The Model 100</title>
	<author>maxume</author>
	<datestamp>1245602340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Some of the sillier graphing calculators come awful close to that description (depending on how important a real keyboard happens to be for a given task).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Some of the sillier graphing calculators come awful close to that description ( depending on how important a real keyboard happens to be for a given task ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Some of the sillier graphing calculators come awful close to that description (depending on how important a real keyboard happens to be for a given task).</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403761</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28404177</id>
	<title>Re:Three Numbers</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245491040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>My iBook G4 was rated at 4 hours and I usually get 5 or 6... My aspire one is rated at 2.5-3 and I get 2.75<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... perhaps it depends on how your use compares to what they expected when they rated it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My iBook G4 was rated at 4 hours and I usually get 5 or 6... My aspire one is rated at 2.5-3 and I get 2.75 .... perhaps it depends on how your use compares to what they expected when they rated it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My iBook G4 was rated at 4 hours and I usually get 5 or 6... My aspire one is rated at 2.5-3 and I get 2.75 .... perhaps it depends on how your use compares to what they expected when they rated it.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403765</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403503</id>
	<title>gas mialage</title>
	<author>He who knows</author>
	<datestamp>1245527520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>They would need a really big hill.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They would need a really big hill .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They would need a really big hill.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28405071</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Don't</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1245498420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why can't laptop vendors be more like <a href="http://openpandora.org/" title="openpandora.org">these guys</a> [openpandora.org]?</p><p>Their little device is sold as "around 10+ hours", which turns into 15-16 for music, 10-11 for web browsing, and about 8-9 for emulators.</p><p>But then again, their device is so small that they had to take preorders to pay for it. Lying about that stuff would seal their doom, while with a huge company more sales(even based on false specs) appease the investors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why ca n't laptop vendors be more like these guys [ openpandora.org ] ? Their little device is sold as " around 10 + hours " , which turns into 15-16 for music , 10-11 for web browsing , and about 8-9 for emulators.But then again , their device is so small that they had to take preorders to pay for it .
Lying about that stuff would seal their doom , while with a huge company more sales ( even based on false specs ) appease the investors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why can't laptop vendors be more like these guys [openpandora.org]?Their little device is sold as "around 10+ hours", which turns into 15-16 for music, 10-11 for web browsing, and about 8-9 for emulators.But then again, their device is so small that they had to take preorders to pay for it.
Lying about that stuff would seal their doom, while with a huge company more sales(even based on false specs) appease the investors.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403585</id>
	<title>Lenovo here</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245528060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I have a cheap lenovo from last year and if I am on 50\% brightness with wifi on and just browsing web with some videos I can go 3 hours. The battery is rated for 3. *shrug*</htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a cheap lenovo from last year and if I am on 50 \ % brightness with wifi on and just browsing web with some videos I can go 3 hours .
The battery is rated for 3 .
* shrug *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a cheap lenovo from last year and if I am on 50\% brightness with wifi on and just browsing web with some videos I can go 3 hours.
The battery is rated for 3.
*shrug*</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28410431</id>
	<title>Re:Who did this study?</title>
	<author>Hurricane78</author>
	<datestamp>1245597240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No, it was his German brother: <a href="http://navid.radiantempire.com/pub/pix/danke\_hauptmann.jpg" title="radiantempire.com">http://navid.radiantempire.com/pub/pix/danke\_hauptmann.jpg</a> [radiantempire.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No , it was his German brother : http : //navid.radiantempire.com/pub/pix/danke \ _hauptmann.jpg [ radiantempire.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No, it was his German brother: http://navid.radiantempire.com/pub/pix/danke\_hauptmann.jpg [radiantempire.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28405349</id>
	<title>Re:Who did this study?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245500040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>His next study is on the rainbow people. http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2007/10/05oct2-captain-obvious.jpg</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>His next study is on the rainbow people .
http : //media1.break.com/dnet/media/2007/10/05oct2-captain-obvious.jpg</tokentext>
<sentencetext>His next study is on the rainbow people.
http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2007/10/05oct2-captain-obvious.jpg</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403615</id>
	<title>Instead of complaining...</title>
	<author>rampant mac</author>
	<datestamp>1245528420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>"<i>Leading the call for reform is the not-necessarily-altruistic AMD, who gripes that MM07 was created in Intel's labs and rigged so Intel chips would outscore AMD chips, which draw more power when idle.</i>"
<p>
Instead of complaining that the test is rigged, maybe creating processors that draw less power when idle would be a good idea?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Leading the call for reform is the not-necessarily-altruistic AMD , who gripes that MM07 was created in Intel 's labs and rigged so Intel chips would outscore AMD chips , which draw more power when idle .
" Instead of complaining that the test is rigged , maybe creating processors that draw less power when idle would be a good idea ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Leading the call for reform is the not-necessarily-altruistic AMD, who gripes that MM07 was created in Intel's labs and rigged so Intel chips would outscore AMD chips, which draw more power when idle.
"

Instead of complaining that the test is rigged, maybe creating processors that draw less power when idle would be a good idea?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403719</id>
	<title>Lies, damn lies, and hard drive life stats</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245529500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I know it's off-topic, but it's costing me far more $ and time.  Even the manufacturers admit they're seeing tons of failures.  Is it just cost-cutting price competition that has gone too far?  Will any electronics manufacturer please offer guaranteed higher quality- for a few more $?  I will pay- gladly.  Just please truly make it better.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I know it 's off-topic , but it 's costing me far more $ and time .
Even the manufacturers admit they 're seeing tons of failures .
Is it just cost-cutting price competition that has gone too far ?
Will any electronics manufacturer please offer guaranteed higher quality- for a few more $ ?
I will pay- gladly .
Just please truly make it better .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know it's off-topic, but it's costing me far more $ and time.
Even the manufacturers admit they're seeing tons of failures.
Is it just cost-cutting price competition that has gone too far?
Will any electronics manufacturer please offer guaranteed higher quality- for a few more $?
I will pay- gladly.
Just please truly make it better.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28413305</id>
	<title>Re:I don't trust Apple's sealed-in batteries</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245576720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I will never buy a laptop with a non-removable battery</p> </div><p>The new MacBook pro battery IS removable.  It just isn't readily user-replaceable.  You need a screwdriver to replace it - or a trip to the store.</p><p>Admittedly, many people may not be able to replace such a battery.  Heck, I know people who can't replace a burnt out taillight in their car.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I will never buy a laptop with a non-removable battery The new MacBook pro battery IS removable .
It just is n't readily user-replaceable .
You need a screwdriver to replace it - or a trip to the store.Admittedly , many people may not be able to replace such a battery .
Heck , I know people who ca n't replace a burnt out taillight in their car .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I will never buy a laptop with a non-removable battery The new MacBook pro battery IS removable.
It just isn't readily user-replaceable.
You need a screwdriver to replace it - or a trip to the store.Admittedly, many people may not be able to replace such a battery.
Heck, I know people who can't replace a burnt out taillight in their car.
	</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28404125</id>
	<title>Re:A Challenege For AMD</title>
	<author>ThePhilips</author>
	<datestamp>1245490440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> Low voltage AMD CPUs (EE, BE series) consume less power than comparable Intel CPUs. Intel produces LV/ULV CPUs, but they are treated generally as higher-end parts which are present in some truly high-end subnotebooks and rarely found in commonly sold notebooks.

</p><p> But AMD is simply weak in laptop market - they can't compete now with Intel's grip on market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Low voltage AMD CPUs ( EE , BE series ) consume less power than comparable Intel CPUs .
Intel produces LV/ULV CPUs , but they are treated generally as higher-end parts which are present in some truly high-end subnotebooks and rarely found in commonly sold notebooks .
But AMD is simply weak in laptop market - they ca n't compete now with Intel 's grip on market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Low voltage AMD CPUs (EE, BE series) consume less power than comparable Intel CPUs.
Intel produces LV/ULV CPUs, but they are treated generally as higher-end parts which are present in some truly high-end subnotebooks and rarely found in commonly sold notebooks.
But AMD is simply weak in laptop market - they can't compete now with Intel's grip on market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28403453</id>
	<title>Justifying piracy</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245527220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Fellow pirates,</p><p>I implore you to continue your campaign on Slashdot to make me feel less guilty.  I know that not paying someone for their work is wrong, but if Slashdot posts enough articles bashing the RIAA/MPAA/copyright law/whatever, it's easier for me to accept what I'm doing emotionally by visualizing <em>someone else</em> as the bad guy.  Once on the forefront of relevant IT news, Slashdot is now a lame repository of mainstream pseudoscience links and pro-piracy articles to appease a dwindling readership.  I am overjoyed.</p><p>Even though the open source community is about giving back as much as it is taking, I'm just going to take.  I'm a human leech with self-serving beliefs and an inability to empathize with content creators who are trying to make a living.</p><p>I don't believe John Carmack should be paid for his work.  I'm going to sit on my ass while he spends years coding the next advanced 3D engine from id Software.  When their game comes out, I'm going to pirate it without giving a second thought about paying John Carmack for his work.  I'm just so used to pirating things now that I take it for granted.  If anyone mentions John Carmack to make me feel guilty, I'll look for Slashdot articles that bolster my viewpoint, such as <a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/story/09/06/18/0311216/Harvard-Study-Says-Weak-Copyright-Benefits-Society" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">this one</a> [slashdot.org], amusingly posted in the Your Rights Online section even though none of my rights are being violated.</p><p>According to that study, it's okay to not pay people for their work because there's some vague hope that they'll make up the difference in income through "concerts and speaking tours."  Artists are now forced to take time out of doing what they want to do.  John Carmack must stop programming in order to make money from programming.  It's genius.  The study does exactly what I need it to--make me feel less guilty when I pirate.  We've managed to stretch the truth so far that we're actually telling ourselves that we're helping artists by not paying them for their work.  Excellent job.</p><p>I look forward to Slashdot telling me everyday who the bad guys are.  Even though Slashdot has sued websites in the past for copyright infringement, and they've <a href="http://features.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/30/0036206" title="slashdot.org" rel="nofollow">pretended to care about plagiarism</a> [slashdot.org], we're supposed to go along with Slashdot's anti-copyright agenda.  I'm okay with that hypocrisy because it serves me.  It makes me feel less guilty when I pirate something.  Remember, I'm not the bad guy--the RIAA/MPAA/whatever is.  That makes it okay for me to not pay people for their work.</p><p>EULAs and copyright licenses are wrong, yet the GPL is good.  Piracy isn't theft, yet GPL violations are referred to as "stolen GPL code."  I accept all of these double-standards because it serves me.  I pretend not to notice when someone points out that the GPL relies on copyright law, and if I want to get rid of copyright, my beloved open source code will no longer be protected by the GPL.  I don't care, because I'm too busy concerning myself with what I want for free, not about the consequences.  I want to get rid of copyrights because I've been told that copyrights are the bad guy, and they are an obstacle to my rampant piracy.</p><p>Fellow pirates, let us continue our selfish leeching.  Let us paint others as the bad guys to absolve us of our emotional guilt.  Our goal is to convince people that piracy is something the good guys are doing in a fight with the evil corporations.  Making money is wrong, even though Slashdot displays ads, and it cost me money to buy the computer I'm using to pirate stuff.</p><p>Yours truly,<br>A fellow Slashbot</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Fellow pirates,I implore you to continue your campaign on Slashdot to make me feel less guilty .
I know that not paying someone for their work is wrong , but if Slashdot posts enough articles bashing the RIAA/MPAA/copyright law/whatever , it 's easier for me to accept what I 'm doing emotionally by visualizing someone else as the bad guy .
Once on the forefront of relevant IT news , Slashdot is now a lame repository of mainstream pseudoscience links and pro-piracy articles to appease a dwindling readership .
I am overjoyed.Even though the open source community is about giving back as much as it is taking , I 'm just going to take .
I 'm a human leech with self-serving beliefs and an inability to empathize with content creators who are trying to make a living.I do n't believe John Carmack should be paid for his work .
I 'm going to sit on my ass while he spends years coding the next advanced 3D engine from id Software .
When their game comes out , I 'm going to pirate it without giving a second thought about paying John Carmack for his work .
I 'm just so used to pirating things now that I take it for granted .
If anyone mentions John Carmack to make me feel guilty , I 'll look for Slashdot articles that bolster my viewpoint , such as this one [ slashdot.org ] , amusingly posted in the Your Rights Online section even though none of my rights are being violated.According to that study , it 's okay to not pay people for their work because there 's some vague hope that they 'll make up the difference in income through " concerts and speaking tours .
" Artists are now forced to take time out of doing what they want to do .
John Carmack must stop programming in order to make money from programming .
It 's genius .
The study does exactly what I need it to--make me feel less guilty when I pirate .
We 've managed to stretch the truth so far that we 're actually telling ourselves that we 're helping artists by not paying them for their work .
Excellent job.I look forward to Slashdot telling me everyday who the bad guys are .
Even though Slashdot has sued websites in the past for copyright infringement , and they 've pretended to care about plagiarism [ slashdot.org ] , we 're supposed to go along with Slashdot 's anti-copyright agenda .
I 'm okay with that hypocrisy because it serves me .
It makes me feel less guilty when I pirate something .
Remember , I 'm not the bad guy--the RIAA/MPAA/whatever is .
That makes it okay for me to not pay people for their work.EULAs and copyright licenses are wrong , yet the GPL is good .
Piracy is n't theft , yet GPL violations are referred to as " stolen GPL code .
" I accept all of these double-standards because it serves me .
I pretend not to notice when someone points out that the GPL relies on copyright law , and if I want to get rid of copyright , my beloved open source code will no longer be protected by the GPL .
I do n't care , because I 'm too busy concerning myself with what I want for free , not about the consequences .
I want to get rid of copyrights because I 've been told that copyrights are the bad guy , and they are an obstacle to my rampant piracy.Fellow pirates , let us continue our selfish leeching .
Let us paint others as the bad guys to absolve us of our emotional guilt .
Our goal is to convince people that piracy is something the good guys are doing in a fight with the evil corporations .
Making money is wrong , even though Slashdot displays ads , and it cost me money to buy the computer I 'm using to pirate stuff.Yours truly,A fellow Slashbot</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fellow pirates,I implore you to continue your campaign on Slashdot to make me feel less guilty.
I know that not paying someone for their work is wrong, but if Slashdot posts enough articles bashing the RIAA/MPAA/copyright law/whatever, it's easier for me to accept what I'm doing emotionally by visualizing someone else as the bad guy.
Once on the forefront of relevant IT news, Slashdot is now a lame repository of mainstream pseudoscience links and pro-piracy articles to appease a dwindling readership.
I am overjoyed.Even though the open source community is about giving back as much as it is taking, I'm just going to take.
I'm a human leech with self-serving beliefs and an inability to empathize with content creators who are trying to make a living.I don't believe John Carmack should be paid for his work.
I'm going to sit on my ass while he spends years coding the next advanced 3D engine from id Software.
When their game comes out, I'm going to pirate it without giving a second thought about paying John Carmack for his work.
I'm just so used to pirating things now that I take it for granted.
If anyone mentions John Carmack to make me feel guilty, I'll look for Slashdot articles that bolster my viewpoint, such as this one [slashdot.org], amusingly posted in the Your Rights Online section even though none of my rights are being violated.According to that study, it's okay to not pay people for their work because there's some vague hope that they'll make up the difference in income through "concerts and speaking tours.
"  Artists are now forced to take time out of doing what they want to do.
John Carmack must stop programming in order to make money from programming.
It's genius.
The study does exactly what I need it to--make me feel less guilty when I pirate.
We've managed to stretch the truth so far that we're actually telling ourselves that we're helping artists by not paying them for their work.
Excellent job.I look forward to Slashdot telling me everyday who the bad guys are.
Even though Slashdot has sued websites in the past for copyright infringement, and they've pretended to care about plagiarism [slashdot.org], we're supposed to go along with Slashdot's anti-copyright agenda.
I'm okay with that hypocrisy because it serves me.
It makes me feel less guilty when I pirate something.
Remember, I'm not the bad guy--the RIAA/MPAA/whatever is.
That makes it okay for me to not pay people for their work.EULAs and copyright licenses are wrong, yet the GPL is good.
Piracy isn't theft, yet GPL violations are referred to as "stolen GPL code.
"  I accept all of these double-standards because it serves me.
I pretend not to notice when someone points out that the GPL relies on copyright law, and if I want to get rid of copyright, my beloved open source code will no longer be protected by the GPL.
I don't care, because I'm too busy concerning myself with what I want for free, not about the consequences.
I want to get rid of copyrights because I've been told that copyrights are the bad guy, and they are an obstacle to my rampant piracy.Fellow pirates, let us continue our selfish leeching.
Let us paint others as the bad guys to absolve us of our emotional guilt.
Our goal is to convince people that piracy is something the good guys are doing in a fight with the evil corporations.
Making money is wrong, even though Slashdot displays ads, and it cost me money to buy the computer I'm using to pirate stuff.Yours truly,A fellow Slashbot</sentencetext>
</comment>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28405703</id>
	<title>Re:Apple Don't</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245502140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I just got the 13" Macbook Pro. I can attest to the battery life being 7+ hours with just web browsing/coding. This laptop rocks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I just got the 13 " Macbook Pro .
I can attest to the battery life being 7 + hours with just web browsing/coding .
This laptop rocks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just got the 13" Macbook Pro.
I can attest to the battery life being 7+ hours with just web browsing/coding.
This laptop rocks.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_176217.28404151</id>
	<title>Re:Lies, damn lies, and hard drive life stats</title>
	<author>ThePhilips</author>
	<datestamp>1245490740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> Apple.

</p><p> Avoid buying new, just-released model - buy models which are on market for 6+ month. They are generally bug-free.

</p><p> Though like with any OEM, "shit happens" in Apple's wonderland too: nVidia 8600m debacle, swollen batteries, etc. But their service is quite good - especially compared to what rest of industry provides to private buyers.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple .
Avoid buying new , just-released model - buy models which are on market for 6 + month .
They are generally bug-free .
Though like with any OEM , " shit happens " in Apple 's wonderland too : nVidia 8600m debacle , swollen batteries , etc .
But their service is quite good - especially compared to what rest of industry provides to private buyers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Apple.
Avoid buying new, just-released model - buy models which are on market for 6+ month.
They are generally bug-free.
Though like with any OEM, "shit happens" in Apple's wonderland too: nVidia 8600m debacle, swollen batteries, etc.
But their service is quite good - especially compared to what rest of industry provides to private buyers.</sentencetext>
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