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	<title>Activision CEO Warns Sony That the PS3 Needs a Price Cut</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1245525780000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Bobby Kotick, President and CEO of Activision, one of the largest game companies in the world, has come out with a none-too-subtle warning to Sony that they need to <a href="http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry\_sectors/media/article6531367.ece">seriously consider a price drop on the Playstation 3</a>. Rumors have been circulating for months that such a drop was forthcoming, but Sony has staunchly denied that they had any plans to drop prices, Kotick said, "The PlayStation 3 is losing a bit of momentum and they don't make it easy for me to support the platform. It's expensive to develop for the console, and the Wii and the Xbox are just selling better. ... They have to cut the price, because if they don't, the attach rates [the number of games each console owner buys] are likely to slow. If we are being realistic, we might have to stop supporting Sony." While it's unlikely that Activision would follow through with such a threat, it definitely adds to the pressure Sony is feeling to lower the PS3's price. Sony issued a brief response which <a href="http://www.industrygamers.com/news/sony-responds-to-koticks-ps3-comments/">said nothing of consequence</a>.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bobby Kotick , President and CEO of Activision , one of the largest game companies in the world , has come out with a none-too-subtle warning to Sony that they need to seriously consider a price drop on the Playstation 3 .
Rumors have been circulating for months that such a drop was forthcoming , but Sony has staunchly denied that they had any plans to drop prices , Kotick said , " The PlayStation 3 is losing a bit of momentum and they do n't make it easy for me to support the platform .
It 's expensive to develop for the console , and the Wii and the Xbox are just selling better .
... They have to cut the price , because if they do n't , the attach rates [ the number of games each console owner buys ] are likely to slow .
If we are being realistic , we might have to stop supporting Sony .
" While it 's unlikely that Activision would follow through with such a threat , it definitely adds to the pressure Sony is feeling to lower the PS3 's price .
Sony issued a brief response which said nothing of consequence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bobby Kotick, President and CEO of Activision, one of the largest game companies in the world, has come out with a none-too-subtle warning to Sony that they need to seriously consider a price drop on the Playstation 3.
Rumors have been circulating for months that such a drop was forthcoming, but Sony has staunchly denied that they had any plans to drop prices, Kotick said, "The PlayStation 3 is losing a bit of momentum and they don't make it easy for me to support the platform.
It's expensive to develop for the console, and the Wii and the Xbox are just selling better.
... They have to cut the price, because if they don't, the attach rates [the number of games each console owner buys] are likely to slow.
If we are being realistic, we might have to stop supporting Sony.
" While it's unlikely that Activision would follow through with such a threat, it definitely adds to the pressure Sony is feeling to lower the PS3's price.
Sony issued a brief response which said nothing of consequence.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400435</id>
	<title>Politics wouldn't have anything to do with it,?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245494940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Kotick said, "The PlayStation 3 is losing a bit of momentum...</p></div><p>Their drop in sales couldn't at all be related to Sony's being identified with the RIAA would it?  I've heard young children say "I don't want a Sony because they're bad people".  When their behaviour makes it to a childhood meme, you know their brand is in trouble.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Kotick said , " The PlayStation 3 is losing a bit of momentum...Their drop in sales could n't at all be related to Sony 's being identified with the RIAA would it ?
I 've heard young children say " I do n't want a Sony because they 're bad people " .
When their behaviour makes it to a childhood meme , you know their brand is in trouble .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kotick said, "The PlayStation 3 is losing a bit of momentum...Their drop in sales couldn't at all be related to Sony's being identified with the RIAA would it?
I've heard young children say "I don't want a Sony because they're bad people".
When their behaviour makes it to a childhood meme, you know their brand is in trouble.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28408911</id>
	<title>Re:Inferior IP = Inferior Sales, lets blame someon</title>
	<author>KDR\_11k</author>
	<datestamp>1245577200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Infamous outselling Prototype? Those haven't been out for more than a week or two, how can we even conclude which sold better? I don't think there was even an NPD release since those games hit the market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Infamous outselling Prototype ?
Those have n't been out for more than a week or two , how can we even conclude which sold better ?
I do n't think there was even an NPD release since those games hit the market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Infamous outselling Prototype?
Those haven't been out for more than a week or two, how can we even conclude which sold better?
I don't think there was even an NPD release since those games hit the market.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28399923</id>
	<title>When planning on lowering prices, best to shut up</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245529740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sony execs aren't dumb. They aren't going to announce price cuts until they happen.</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne\_effect" title="wikipedia.org" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne\_effect</a> [wikipedia.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sony execs are n't dumb .
They are n't going to announce price cuts until they happen.http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne \ _effect [ wikipedia.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sony execs aren't dumb.
They aren't going to announce price cuts until they happen.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osborne\_effect [wikipedia.org]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400023</id>
	<title>What \% of people will buy with lower prices?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245531540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As someone who's been around since the Atari 2600/Intellivision/ColecoVision days, this is the first generation of consoles that I've skipped buying. And as a prior owner of a 3DO, that says a lot. Why? Two reasons.</p><p>1) This generation of consoles feels like too small of an improvement over the last to justify the purchase.</p><p>2) With the enjoyment of seeing a generational leap in graphics being non-existent, I feel like, for the first time, I can turn to any one of the billion casual gameplay sites out there for a quick 10-minute to an hour gaming fix at no cost.</p><p>Sure, I still play an Oblivion, a Half-Life, or a Fallout once in a while, but for the most part I like getting a quick fix and moving on to something new the next day, week, or month. Casual gameplay sites (for now, anyway) let me do this extremely cheaply.</p><p>I'd probably look into getting one of this generation's consoles for $100. Money isn't the issue, the enjoyment:money ratio is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As someone who 's been around since the Atari 2600/Intellivision/ColecoVision days , this is the first generation of consoles that I 've skipped buying .
And as a prior owner of a 3DO , that says a lot .
Why ? Two reasons.1 ) This generation of consoles feels like too small of an improvement over the last to justify the purchase.2 ) With the enjoyment of seeing a generational leap in graphics being non-existent , I feel like , for the first time , I can turn to any one of the billion casual gameplay sites out there for a quick 10-minute to an hour gaming fix at no cost.Sure , I still play an Oblivion , a Half-Life , or a Fallout once in a while , but for the most part I like getting a quick fix and moving on to something new the next day , week , or month .
Casual gameplay sites ( for now , anyway ) let me do this extremely cheaply.I 'd probably look into getting one of this generation 's consoles for $ 100 .
Money is n't the issue , the enjoyment : money ratio is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As someone who's been around since the Atari 2600/Intellivision/ColecoVision days, this is the first generation of consoles that I've skipped buying.
And as a prior owner of a 3DO, that says a lot.
Why? Two reasons.1) This generation of consoles feels like too small of an improvement over the last to justify the purchase.2) With the enjoyment of seeing a generational leap in graphics being non-existent, I feel like, for the first time, I can turn to any one of the billion casual gameplay sites out there for a quick 10-minute to an hour gaming fix at no cost.Sure, I still play an Oblivion, a Half-Life, or a Fallout once in a while, but for the most part I like getting a quick fix and moving on to something new the next day, week, or month.
Casual gameplay sites (for now, anyway) let me do this extremely cheaply.I'd probably look into getting one of this generation's consoles for $100.
Money isn't the issue, the enjoyment:money ratio is.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400813</id>
	<title>Re:When planning on lowering prices, best to shut</title>
	<author>A12m0v</author>
	<datestamp>1245501060000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Every one knows it is coming and a slimmer model too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every one knows it is coming and a slimmer model too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every one knows it is coming and a slimmer model too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28404689</id>
	<title>the problem is</title>
	<author>Terrorwrist</author>
	<datestamp>1245495480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
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	<htmltext>The bluray in the PS3 is the cause of the high price. If they just put in a regular dvd drive that plays Sony PS2, PS3 and regular dvd movies and games, then the price can be lowered. Who is going to watch Bluray, when a disc costs $20-30 compared to a regular dvd costs like less than $10 at walmart.

If they get rid of that bluray and the price gets lowered, then people would buy the console and Sony will be back in business.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The bluray in the PS3 is the cause of the high price .
If they just put in a regular dvd drive that plays Sony PS2 , PS3 and regular dvd movies and games , then the price can be lowered .
Who is going to watch Bluray , when a disc costs $ 20-30 compared to a regular dvd costs like less than $ 10 at walmart .
If they get rid of that bluray and the price gets lowered , then people would buy the console and Sony will be back in business .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The bluray in the PS3 is the cause of the high price.
If they just put in a regular dvd drive that plays Sony PS2, PS3 and regular dvd movies and games, then the price can be lowered.
Who is going to watch Bluray, when a disc costs $20-30 compared to a regular dvd costs like less than $10 at walmart.
If they get rid of that bluray and the price gets lowered, then people would buy the console and Sony will be back in business.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400163</id>
	<title>REMOVE LOUIS FROM L4D</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245490620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To: Valve<br>I propose that we remove Louis from L4D, nobody can relate to him because he is a nigger.</p><p>I'm sure people that play left 4 dead will get on their computers and join a lobby for some No Mercy campaign fun, only to find that all the infected are taken. this is undeniably the case most of the time.</p><p>You decide "oh well, at least you can play as bill, hes a badass Vietnam veteran and probably raped some azn girl while he was setting villages on fire" But, you are disappointed as somebody already joined and took him first... hes always taken first god damnit.</p><p>well, then there is the next best choice, Zoey. The lovable teenage slut has always provoked some kind of perverted thought in L4D gamers and when they go to patch her up with first aid they cream themselves at getting this close to a woman, virtual or not. So with all the extra help around, playing as Zoey should be a breeze, right? Well, some fucker already took that second... now the sudden realization dawns on you, you have two choices left.</p><p>One is the faggot biker Francis, that only acts like hes interested in Zoey as to throw of the trail that he secretly would fuck Bill so hard in the ass given the chance. The other choice, though, is worse. it's a fucking nigger.</p><p>I mean sure, he isn't hindered in any way, well... not in physical gameplay at least. But you soon will realize after playing a couple rounds being a nigger, every time you get pounced, smoked, or somebody accidentally clips him with a bullet, he has to open his fat lips to shout louder then any of the other survivors and speaks in a vernacular that just makes me sick to hear it.</p><p>If we were to get rid of Louis, teamkilling "accidents" will be cut down by 50\%, and the survivor morale will increase dramatically, no longer burdened by some filthy, loud, beast.</p><p>But, I am only one person, I will need the help of all you fellow people that enjoy L4D, but their experience is hindered by the sight of this dirty chicken eating coon. Shall We receive enough signatures, Valve will soon know the errors of their ways and create an alternative to being such a disgraceful character.</p><p>Sincerely,</p><p>The Undersigned</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To : ValveI propose that we remove Louis from L4D , nobody can relate to him because he is a nigger.I 'm sure people that play left 4 dead will get on their computers and join a lobby for some No Mercy campaign fun , only to find that all the infected are taken .
this is undeniably the case most of the time.You decide " oh well , at least you can play as bill , hes a badass Vietnam veteran and probably raped some azn girl while he was setting villages on fire " But , you are disappointed as somebody already joined and took him first... hes always taken first god damnit.well , then there is the next best choice , Zoey .
The lovable teenage slut has always provoked some kind of perverted thought in L4D gamers and when they go to patch her up with first aid they cream themselves at getting this close to a woman , virtual or not .
So with all the extra help around , playing as Zoey should be a breeze , right ?
Well , some fucker already took that second... now the sudden realization dawns on you , you have two choices left.One is the faggot biker Francis , that only acts like hes interested in Zoey as to throw of the trail that he secretly would fuck Bill so hard in the ass given the chance .
The other choice , though , is worse .
it 's a fucking nigger.I mean sure , he is n't hindered in any way , well... not in physical gameplay at least .
But you soon will realize after playing a couple rounds being a nigger , every time you get pounced , smoked , or somebody accidentally clips him with a bullet , he has to open his fat lips to shout louder then any of the other survivors and speaks in a vernacular that just makes me sick to hear it.If we were to get rid of Louis , teamkilling " accidents " will be cut down by 50 \ % , and the survivor morale will increase dramatically , no longer burdened by some filthy , loud , beast.But , I am only one person , I will need the help of all you fellow people that enjoy L4D , but their experience is hindered by the sight of this dirty chicken eating coon .
Shall We receive enough signatures , Valve will soon know the errors of their ways and create an alternative to being such a disgraceful character.Sincerely,The Undersigned</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To: ValveI propose that we remove Louis from L4D, nobody can relate to him because he is a nigger.I'm sure people that play left 4 dead will get on their computers and join a lobby for some No Mercy campaign fun, only to find that all the infected are taken.
this is undeniably the case most of the time.You decide "oh well, at least you can play as bill, hes a badass Vietnam veteran and probably raped some azn girl while he was setting villages on fire" But, you are disappointed as somebody already joined and took him first... hes always taken first god damnit.well, then there is the next best choice, Zoey.
The lovable teenage slut has always provoked some kind of perverted thought in L4D gamers and when they go to patch her up with first aid they cream themselves at getting this close to a woman, virtual or not.
So with all the extra help around, playing as Zoey should be a breeze, right?
Well, some fucker already took that second... now the sudden realization dawns on you, you have two choices left.One is the faggot biker Francis, that only acts like hes interested in Zoey as to throw of the trail that he secretly would fuck Bill so hard in the ass given the chance.
The other choice, though, is worse.
it's a fucking nigger.I mean sure, he isn't hindered in any way, well... not in physical gameplay at least.
But you soon will realize after playing a couple rounds being a nigger, every time you get pounced, smoked, or somebody accidentally clips him with a bullet, he has to open his fat lips to shout louder then any of the other survivors and speaks in a vernacular that just makes me sick to hear it.If we were to get rid of Louis, teamkilling "accidents" will be cut down by 50\%, and the survivor morale will increase dramatically, no longer burdened by some filthy, loud, beast.But, I am only one person, I will need the help of all you fellow people that enjoy L4D, but their experience is hindered by the sight of this dirty chicken eating coon.
Shall We receive enough signatures, Valve will soon know the errors of their ways and create an alternative to being such a disgraceful character.Sincerely,The Undersigned</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28446863</id>
	<title>Re:backwards compatibility</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245758520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Huh? Second post on this point, but I don't get it - all of my 20+ PS2 titles work fine on my PS3, and while it's the 60GB model w/ the partially-hardware-enabled emulation, I don't leverage that, as I use the upscaling/smoothing feature which I believe forces software-only emulation - all my PS2 games still work fine . . . I understand that the plural of anecdote isn't data, but . . . what games don't work?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Huh ?
Second post on this point , but I do n't get it - all of my 20 + PS2 titles work fine on my PS3 , and while it 's the 60GB model w/ the partially-hardware-enabled emulation , I do n't leverage that , as I use the upscaling/smoothing feature which I believe forces software-only emulation - all my PS2 games still work fine .
. .
I understand that the plural of anecdote is n't data , but .
. .
what games do n't work ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Huh?
Second post on this point, but I don't get it - all of my 20+ PS2 titles work fine on my PS3, and while it's the 60GB model w/ the partially-hardware-enabled emulation, I don't leverage that, as I use the upscaling/smoothing feature which I believe forces software-only emulation - all my PS2 games still work fine .
. .
I understand that the plural of anecdote isn't data, but .
. .
what games don't work?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28407157</id>
	<title>Re:When planning on lowering prices, best to shut</title>
	<author>tlhIngan</author>
	<datestamp>1245514200000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Sony execs aren't dumb. They aren't going to announce price cuts until they happen.</p></div></blockquote><p>The problem is, Sony is in a tough spot.</p><p>Firstly, the PS3 is among the best future-proof Blu-Ray player out there. Since release, it got upgraded from Profile 1.0 to 1.1 to 2.0 (BD-Live). And now Blu-Ray is getting managed copy sometime in 2010, it looks like the PS3 will be one of the few Blu-Ray players that will get it as an upgrade. (Managed copy lets you rip a Blu-Ray officially to a media player, DRM encrusted and whatnot, but there it is). It started as the first cheap Blu-Ray player, then it now it represents the ceiling price for a consumer level Blu-Ray player.</p><p>Secondly, the PS3 s a gaming system, one of the more expensive ones. It's feeling pressure to cut prices to better compete with the Xbos360 and Wii.</p><p>The problem is, Sony needs to decide if they want to concentrate on the Blu-Ray side of things, or the gaming side. Because a good positive price cut (say, $100) means that it puts a bunch of Blu-Ray players into the "why bother" price categtory (practically all Profile 2.0 players are $250+...), and I'm sure Samsung, Panasonic, Sharp, etc., will be really happy to have to be forced to cut prices in order to sell product. This could seriously impact Blu-Ray sales if people start to believe it's not only "just a Sony format", but a "Sony PS3 format" as people think you must have a PS3 to play them (as they're the only player left on the market).</p><p>So Sony needs to keep the price high to keep other manufacturers making Blu-Ray players, but they need to reduce prices to compete with the other game consoles.</p><p>Blu-Ray vs. Gaming - what does Sony want to promote more?</p><p>Maybe what Sony should do is release a "slim PS3" for $200 that only plays games, no movies. Its not like there aren't enough PS3 models and features that differ between them...</p></div>
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<tokenext>Sony execs are n't dumb .
They are n't going to announce price cuts until they happen.The problem is , Sony is in a tough spot.Firstly , the PS3 is among the best future-proof Blu-Ray player out there .
Since release , it got upgraded from Profile 1.0 to 1.1 to 2.0 ( BD-Live ) .
And now Blu-Ray is getting managed copy sometime in 2010 , it looks like the PS3 will be one of the few Blu-Ray players that will get it as an upgrade .
( Managed copy lets you rip a Blu-Ray officially to a media player , DRM encrusted and whatnot , but there it is ) .
It started as the first cheap Blu-Ray player , then it now it represents the ceiling price for a consumer level Blu-Ray player.Secondly , the PS3 s a gaming system , one of the more expensive ones .
It 's feeling pressure to cut prices to better compete with the Xbos360 and Wii.The problem is , Sony needs to decide if they want to concentrate on the Blu-Ray side of things , or the gaming side .
Because a good positive price cut ( say , $ 100 ) means that it puts a bunch of Blu-Ray players into the " why bother " price categtory ( practically all Profile 2.0 players are $ 250 + ... ) , and I 'm sure Samsung , Panasonic , Sharp , etc. , will be really happy to have to be forced to cut prices in order to sell product .
This could seriously impact Blu-Ray sales if people start to believe it 's not only " just a Sony format " , but a " Sony PS3 format " as people think you must have a PS3 to play them ( as they 're the only player left on the market ) .So Sony needs to keep the price high to keep other manufacturers making Blu-Ray players , but they need to reduce prices to compete with the other game consoles.Blu-Ray vs. Gaming - what does Sony want to promote more ? Maybe what Sony should do is release a " slim PS3 " for $ 200 that only plays games , no movies .
Its not like there are n't enough PS3 models and features that differ between them.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sony execs aren't dumb.
They aren't going to announce price cuts until they happen.The problem is, Sony is in a tough spot.Firstly, the PS3 is among the best future-proof Blu-Ray player out there.
Since release, it got upgraded from Profile 1.0 to 1.1 to 2.0 (BD-Live).
And now Blu-Ray is getting managed copy sometime in 2010, it looks like the PS3 will be one of the few Blu-Ray players that will get it as an upgrade.
(Managed copy lets you rip a Blu-Ray officially to a media player, DRM encrusted and whatnot, but there it is).
It started as the first cheap Blu-Ray player, then it now it represents the ceiling price for a consumer level Blu-Ray player.Secondly, the PS3 s a gaming system, one of the more expensive ones.
It's feeling pressure to cut prices to better compete with the Xbos360 and Wii.The problem is, Sony needs to decide if they want to concentrate on the Blu-Ray side of things, or the gaming side.
Because a good positive price cut (say, $100) means that it puts a bunch of Blu-Ray players into the "why bother" price categtory (practically all Profile 2.0 players are $250+...), and I'm sure Samsung, Panasonic, Sharp, etc., will be really happy to have to be forced to cut prices in order to sell product.
This could seriously impact Blu-Ray sales if people start to believe it's not only "just a Sony format", but a "Sony PS3 format" as people think you must have a PS3 to play them (as they're the only player left on the market).So Sony needs to keep the price high to keep other manufacturers making Blu-Ray players, but they need to reduce prices to compete with the other game consoles.Blu-Ray vs. Gaming - what does Sony want to promote more?Maybe what Sony should do is release a "slim PS3" for $200 that only plays games, no movies.
Its not like there aren't enough PS3 models and features that differ between them...
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	<title>I think this is a power play...</title>
	<author>feepness</author>
	<datestamp>1245512580000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Activision is just playing the game to publicly seek concessions from Sony.  With 25M PS3s and 50M PSPs they would be stupid to ignore that market and they know it.
<br> <br>
While I think a price cut is needed as well, if you read the article, what Activision is really upset by is the $500M in royalties they paid.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Activision is just playing the game to publicly seek concessions from Sony .
With 25M PS3s and 50M PSPs they would be stupid to ignore that market and they know it .
While I think a price cut is needed as well , if you read the article , what Activision is really upset by is the $ 500M in royalties they paid .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Activision is just playing the game to publicly seek concessions from Sony.
With 25M PS3s and 50M PSPs they would be stupid to ignore that market and they know it.
While I think a price cut is needed as well, if you read the article, what Activision is really upset by is the $500M in royalties they paid.</sentencetext>
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	<title>It's All Crap</title>
	<author>Nom du Keyboard</author>
	<datestamp>1245497160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>These threats to leave are pretty much crap. You may make less millions on PS3 than the other consoles, but you still make millions - so are you really going to walk away from that, or just pretend to and hope that Sony caves quickly?</htmltext>
<tokenext>These threats to leave are pretty much crap .
You may make less millions on PS3 than the other consoles , but you still make millions - so are you really going to walk away from that , or just pretend to and hope that Sony caves quickly ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These threats to leave are pretty much crap.
You may make less millions on PS3 than the other consoles, but you still make millions - so are you really going to walk away from that, or just pretend to and hope that Sony caves quickly?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28409021</id>
	<title>Re:The PS3's problem is lack of games.</title>
	<author>KDR\_11k</author>
	<datestamp>1245578340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The PS2 has several thousand games and I think many people bought the PS3 expecting a continuation from the PS2 so a library of "only" 500 titles is highly disappointing to them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The PS2 has several thousand games and I think many people bought the PS3 expecting a continuation from the PS2 so a library of " only " 500 titles is highly disappointing to them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The PS2 has several thousand games and I think many people bought the PS3 expecting a continuation from the PS2 so a library of "only" 500 titles is highly disappointing to them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400149</id>
	<title>Activision BLIZZARD can afford to be dicks.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245490320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why does everyone just say 'Activision'? Uneasy about dragging your beloved WoW into this? It's Activision <b>Blizzard</b>, and that 'Blizzard' along with Call of Duty and Guitar Hero are why Kotick can afford to be the huge raging prick he is.</p><p>He's got a long history of being a total @#$hole to squeeze profits, and it's worked. He's the reason you're going to be paying for Starcraft II three times instead of one, no matter what lame excuses they feed you. He's got no compunctions about selling you multi-hundred dollar overpriced plastic controller sets to go with his games while he complains about PS3 prices. His unbridled douchebaggery works quite well, at least in the short run, and it might work in the long run because Blizzard can get away with anything.</p><p>Now of course he knows that Activision Blizzard paid Sony $500 million dollars last year in per-game royalties and other crap, and I'm sure he's looking to shave some of that. That's what this is really about. And Sony is vulnerable - just the suggestion that a major publisher could drop the PS3, even if they wouldn't, is hugely damaging when they're in third place in the largest markets. I'm sure fanbois will sneer that they don't need Activision, but someone's sure buying their stuff on PS3.</p><p>I'm not giving them any money because of the Brutal Legend fiasco (part of Kotick's deliberate cockmongering), but I realize that's sort of quixotic. In general you people (forgive my broad brush) will continue to bend over and spread wide for Call of Duty and WoW and Starcraft and Diablo III.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does everyone just say 'Activision ' ?
Uneasy about dragging your beloved WoW into this ?
It 's Activision Blizzard , and that 'Blizzard ' along with Call of Duty and Guitar Hero are why Kotick can afford to be the huge raging prick he is.He 's got a long history of being a total @ # $ hole to squeeze profits , and it 's worked .
He 's the reason you 're going to be paying for Starcraft II three times instead of one , no matter what lame excuses they feed you .
He 's got no compunctions about selling you multi-hundred dollar overpriced plastic controller sets to go with his games while he complains about PS3 prices .
His unbridled douchebaggery works quite well , at least in the short run , and it might work in the long run because Blizzard can get away with anything.Now of course he knows that Activision Blizzard paid Sony $ 500 million dollars last year in per-game royalties and other crap , and I 'm sure he 's looking to shave some of that .
That 's what this is really about .
And Sony is vulnerable - just the suggestion that a major publisher could drop the PS3 , even if they would n't , is hugely damaging when they 're in third place in the largest markets .
I 'm sure fanbois will sneer that they do n't need Activision , but someone 's sure buying their stuff on PS3.I 'm not giving them any money because of the Brutal Legend fiasco ( part of Kotick 's deliberate cockmongering ) , but I realize that 's sort of quixotic .
In general you people ( forgive my broad brush ) will continue to bend over and spread wide for Call of Duty and WoW and Starcraft and Diablo III .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does everyone just say 'Activision'?
Uneasy about dragging your beloved WoW into this?
It's Activision Blizzard, and that 'Blizzard' along with Call of Duty and Guitar Hero are why Kotick can afford to be the huge raging prick he is.He's got a long history of being a total @#$hole to squeeze profits, and it's worked.
He's the reason you're going to be paying for Starcraft II three times instead of one, no matter what lame excuses they feed you.
He's got no compunctions about selling you multi-hundred dollar overpriced plastic controller sets to go with his games while he complains about PS3 prices.
His unbridled douchebaggery works quite well, at least in the short run, and it might work in the long run because Blizzard can get away with anything.Now of course he knows that Activision Blizzard paid Sony $500 million dollars last year in per-game royalties and other crap, and I'm sure he's looking to shave some of that.
That's what this is really about.
And Sony is vulnerable - just the suggestion that a major publisher could drop the PS3, even if they wouldn't, is hugely damaging when they're in third place in the largest markets.
I'm sure fanbois will sneer that they don't need Activision, but someone's sure buying their stuff on PS3.I'm not giving them any money because of the Brutal Legend fiasco (part of Kotick's deliberate cockmongering), but I realize that's sort of quixotic.
In general you people (forgive my broad brush) will continue to bend over and spread wide for Call of Duty and WoW and Starcraft and Diablo III.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28401771</id>
	<title>Re:Who needs the price cut?</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1245512400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Actually it is Nintendo of Europe who says how much an item has to cost!<br>Same goes for Sony Europe etc... and the 1:1 Dollar Euro price hiking is quite common, this gives companies an additional 10-20\% revenue (if you count out the VAT which is quite high in Europe)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually it is Nintendo of Europe who says how much an item has to cost ! Same goes for Sony Europe etc... and the 1 : 1 Dollar Euro price hiking is quite common , this gives companies an additional 10-20 \ % revenue ( if you count out the VAT which is quite high in Europe )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually it is Nintendo of Europe who says how much an item has to cost!Same goes for Sony Europe etc... and the 1:1 Dollar Euro price hiking is quite common, this gives companies an additional 10-20\% revenue (if you count out the VAT which is quite high in Europe)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28401903</id>
	<title>Re:What \% of people will buy with lower prices?</title>
	<author>Jeff DeMaagd</author>
	<datestamp>1245513480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Really, it's harder to enjoy the older game systems because they are all SD.</p><p>Distant objects that might be important to game play that were splotches in the past have a defined shape.  Except for the Wii.  Still SD.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Really , it 's harder to enjoy the older game systems because they are all SD.Distant objects that might be important to game play that were splotches in the past have a defined shape .
Except for the Wii .
Still SD .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Really, it's harder to enjoy the older game systems because they are all SD.Distant objects that might be important to game play that were splotches in the past have a defined shape.
Except for the Wii.
Still SD.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400307</id>
	<title>Who needs the price cut?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245493380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nintendo does. In the eastern european countries.</p><p>I've been to an electronics store recently, and just out of curiosity, checked the prices. Back when Wii was announced at $200, I had hoped to buy one. Now I can say FUCK YOU NINTENDO.</p><p>PS3: 1450PLN = 445USD<br>XBOX360: 850PLN = 260USD<br>WII: 1250PLN = 384USD</p><p>That's about half of an average salary too. Bastards really need to pull heads out of their asses and cut the crap with "double the price for Europe" politics.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nintendo does .
In the eastern european countries.I 've been to an electronics store recently , and just out of curiosity , checked the prices .
Back when Wii was announced at $ 200 , I had hoped to buy one .
Now I can say FUCK YOU NINTENDO.PS3 : 1450PLN = 445USDXBOX360 : 850PLN = 260USDWII : 1250PLN = 384USDThat 's about half of an average salary too .
Bastards really need to pull heads out of their asses and cut the crap with " double the price for Europe " politics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nintendo does.
In the eastern european countries.I've been to an electronics store recently, and just out of curiosity, checked the prices.
Back when Wii was announced at $200, I had hoped to buy one.
Now I can say FUCK YOU NINTENDO.PS3: 1450PLN = 445USDXBOX360: 850PLN = 260USDWII: 1250PLN = 384USDThat's about half of an average salary too.
Bastards really need to pull heads out of their asses and cut the crap with "double the price for Europe" politics.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28402083</id>
	<title>Re:The PS3's problem is lack of games.</title>
	<author>feepness</author>
	<datestamp>1245514980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_PlayStation\_3\_games" title="wikipedia.org">There are currently 457 games on this list (PS3 games)</a> [wikipedia.org]
<br> <br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_PlayStation\_Network\_games" title="wikipedia.org">Another few hundred downloadable.</a> [wikipedia.org]
<br> <br>
Personally I have not been able to keep up for the last year or so.  I've not even gotten to Resident Evil 5 yet...</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are currently 457 games on this list ( PS3 games ) [ wikipedia.org ] Another few hundred downloadable .
[ wikipedia.org ] Personally I have not been able to keep up for the last year or so .
I 've not even gotten to Resident Evil 5 yet.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are currently 457 games on this list (PS3 games) [wikipedia.org]
 
Another few hundred downloadable.
[wikipedia.org]
 
Personally I have not been able to keep up for the last year or so.
I've not even gotten to Resident Evil 5 yet...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28408965</id>
	<title>Re:The PS3's problem is lack of games.</title>
	<author>KDR\_11k</author>
	<datestamp>1245577800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Probably depends on where you live, here in Germany a 60GB 360 costs 200&euro; while a PS3 with whatever HDD they have (80GB?) costs 400&euro;. That's a fairly large gap IMO.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Probably depends on where you live , here in Germany a 60GB 360 costs 200    while a PS3 with whatever HDD they have ( 80GB ?
) costs 400    .
That 's a fairly large gap IMO .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Probably depends on where you live, here in Germany a 60GB 360 costs 200€ while a PS3 with whatever HDD they have (80GB?
) costs 400€.
That's a fairly large gap IMO.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400479</id>
	<title>Re:Activision BLIZZARD can afford to be dicks.</title>
	<author>Zeussy</author>
	<datestamp>1245495600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Personally I prefer to call them blactivision</htmltext>
<tokenext>Personally I prefer to call them blactivision</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Personally I prefer to call them blactivision</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28399991</id>
	<title>Re:When planning on lowering prices, best to shut</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245531060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>But don't worry, MS fanboys are going to speculate the shit out of a price cut until no one wants to buy a PS3 due to the upcoming "price cut".</htmltext>
<tokenext>But do n't worry , MS fanboys are going to speculate the shit out of a price cut until no one wants to buy a PS3 due to the upcoming " price cut " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But don't worry, MS fanboys are going to speculate the shit out of a price cut until no one wants to buy a PS3 due to the upcoming "price cut".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28408397</id>
	<title>Re:backwards compatibility</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245526620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I agree.  I wanted a PS3 after they came out, but I couldn't afford one at the time (college student).  Now that I'm working, I've been eyeballing one as a second blu-ray player and as a game platform.  However, there are only a few games that I'm interested in as I've never had a sony console.  I just don't know what I'm going to like yet.  I do have a wii and there are a few titles like street fighter 4 that have me interested.  I used to own an xbox and I feel that microsoft screwed over owners when the xbox 360 came out (live game access, etc)  Adding the ring of death problems, I've decided on sony.  My problem is that I know there are a few ps2 titles that I'm interested in and only know of a few titles I'm sure I want on the ps3.  I could justify $400 for a console if it could play at least 5-10 titles I want.  With 2-3 titles and mostly street fighter 4, I have trouble paying that much for one game.  I can buy sf4 on the pc in a few months.  For me, a $100 price cut covers the cost of a game or a ps2 to go with my ps3.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree .
I wanted a PS3 after they came out , but I could n't afford one at the time ( college student ) .
Now that I 'm working , I 've been eyeballing one as a second blu-ray player and as a game platform .
However , there are only a few games that I 'm interested in as I 've never had a sony console .
I just do n't know what I 'm going to like yet .
I do have a wii and there are a few titles like street fighter 4 that have me interested .
I used to own an xbox and I feel that microsoft screwed over owners when the xbox 360 came out ( live game access , etc ) Adding the ring of death problems , I 've decided on sony .
My problem is that I know there are a few ps2 titles that I 'm interested in and only know of a few titles I 'm sure I want on the ps3 .
I could justify $ 400 for a console if it could play at least 5-10 titles I want .
With 2-3 titles and mostly street fighter 4 , I have trouble paying that much for one game .
I can buy sf4 on the pc in a few months .
For me , a $ 100 price cut covers the cost of a game or a ps2 to go with my ps3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree.
I wanted a PS3 after they came out, but I couldn't afford one at the time (college student).
Now that I'm working, I've been eyeballing one as a second blu-ray player and as a game platform.
However, there are only a few games that I'm interested in as I've never had a sony console.
I just don't know what I'm going to like yet.
I do have a wii and there are a few titles like street fighter 4 that have me interested.
I used to own an xbox and I feel that microsoft screwed over owners when the xbox 360 came out (live game access, etc)  Adding the ring of death problems, I've decided on sony.
My problem is that I know there are a few ps2 titles that I'm interested in and only know of a few titles I'm sure I want on the ps3.
I could justify $400 for a console if it could play at least 5-10 titles I want.
With 2-3 titles and mostly street fighter 4, I have trouble paying that much for one game.
I can buy sf4 on the pc in a few months.
For me, a $100 price cut covers the cost of a game or a ps2 to go with my ps3.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400503</id>
	<title>Re:attach rate info is wrong</title>
	<author>DrXym</author>
	<datestamp>1245496020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>The PS3 currently has the highest attach rate of all next gen consoles, so that's definitely not it's problem. It absolutely does need to be cheaper though. I think a $299 Slim model would sell shitloads.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The PS3 currently has the highest attach rate of all next gen consoles , so that 's definitely not it 's problem .
It absolutely does need to be cheaper though .
I think a $ 299 Slim model would sell shitloads .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The PS3 currently has the highest attach rate of all next gen consoles, so that's definitely not it's problem.
It absolutely does need to be cheaper though.
I think a $299 Slim model would sell shitloads.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28401361</id>
	<title>Re:attach rate info is wrong</title>
	<author>Xest</author>
	<datestamp>1245508800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To provide some evidence for your claim-</p><p>When the other consoles were released the 360 was arguably the most expensive - it was outright more expensive than the Wii, and when you compared like for like it was more expensive than the PS3.</p><p>Yet it had a much higher attach rate, by far the highest of the three.</p><p>Since then it's dropped to offer the cheapest system out the lot yet still has the highest attach rate (http://kotaku.com/5222086/ps3-attach-rate-overtakes-wii-attach-rate).</p><p>That suggests that you're right, console price has nothing whatsoever to do with attach rate.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To provide some evidence for your claim-When the other consoles were released the 360 was arguably the most expensive - it was outright more expensive than the Wii , and when you compared like for like it was more expensive than the PS3.Yet it had a much higher attach rate , by far the highest of the three.Since then it 's dropped to offer the cheapest system out the lot yet still has the highest attach rate ( http : //kotaku.com/5222086/ps3-attach-rate-overtakes-wii-attach-rate ) .That suggests that you 're right , console price has nothing whatsoever to do with attach rate .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To provide some evidence for your claim-When the other consoles were released the 360 was arguably the most expensive - it was outright more expensive than the Wii, and when you compared like for like it was more expensive than the PS3.Yet it had a much higher attach rate, by far the highest of the three.Since then it's dropped to offer the cheapest system out the lot yet still has the highest attach rate (http://kotaku.com/5222086/ps3-attach-rate-overtakes-wii-attach-rate).That suggests that you're right, console price has nothing whatsoever to do with attach rate.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28404297</id>
	<title>Re:Politics wouldn't have anything to do with it,?</title>
	<author>DaveV1.0</author>
	<datestamp>1245492240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I've heard young children say "I don't want a Sony because they're bad people".</p></div></blockquote><p>Really? Which young children? Who were their parents, friends of yours? Or, did you over hear this in a playground? Were their parents perhaps rabid anti-copyright people who hate the **AA and all their members? Or, are they your children?</p><p>Your anecdote is too vague to be of any value. In fact, here is a refutation of your anecdote: my 18yo nephew saved up his money to buy a PS3.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've heard young children say " I do n't want a Sony because they 're bad people " .Really ?
Which young children ?
Who were their parents , friends of yours ?
Or , did you over hear this in a playground ?
Were their parents perhaps rabid anti-copyright people who hate the * * AA and all their members ?
Or , are they your children ? Your anecdote is too vague to be of any value .
In fact , here is a refutation of your anecdote : my 18yo nephew saved up his money to buy a PS3 .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've heard young children say "I don't want a Sony because they're bad people".Really?
Which young children?
Who were their parents, friends of yours?
Or, did you over hear this in a playground?
Were their parents perhaps rabid anti-copyright people who hate the **AA and all their members?
Or, are they your children?Your anecdote is too vague to be of any value.
In fact, here is a refutation of your anecdote: my 18yo nephew saved up his money to buy a PS3.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400007</id>
	<title>attach rate info is wrong</title>
	<author>YesIAmAScript</author>
	<datestamp>1245531240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>High console price doesn't lead to a low attach rate. It leads to many other problems, but it doesn't lead to a low attach rate.</p><p>I think the problem in question is that the high price keeps the console sales down which means there are fewer owners for Activision to sell copies of their games to.</p><p>Attach rate is the number of games sold per console sold, not total number of games sold for a particular platform.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>High console price does n't lead to a low attach rate .
It leads to many other problems , but it does n't lead to a low attach rate.I think the problem in question is that the high price keeps the console sales down which means there are fewer owners for Activision to sell copies of their games to.Attach rate is the number of games sold per console sold , not total number of games sold for a particular platform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>High console price doesn't lead to a low attach rate.
It leads to many other problems, but it doesn't lead to a low attach rate.I think the problem in question is that the high price keeps the console sales down which means there are fewer owners for Activision to sell copies of their games to.Attach rate is the number of games sold per console sold, not total number of games sold for a particular platform.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400137</id>
	<title>Lots of products are overly expensive..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245490080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><ul>
<li>Windows OS, Office, MSSQL, etc, the windows SW</li><li>iPhone</li><li>Acrobat, Flash, Photoshawp</li><li>Inkjet printer cartridges</li></ul><p>
Come to think of it,  the iPhone is almost as expensive as the PS3 (if not more so).
</p><p>
Pass or fail is more than about price.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Windows OS , Office , MSSQL , etc , the windows SWiPhoneAcrobat , Flash , PhotoshawpInkjet printer cartridges Come to think of it , the iPhone is almost as expensive as the PS3 ( if not more so ) .
Pass or fail is more than about price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Windows OS, Office, MSSQL, etc, the windows SWiPhoneAcrobat, Flash, PhotoshawpInkjet printer cartridges
Come to think of it,  the iPhone is almost as expensive as the PS3 (if not more so).
Pass or fail is more than about price.
</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400727</id>
	<title>Attach rate</title>
	<author>janwedekind</author>
	<datestamp>1245499440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>"Attach rate" should sound quite scornful to the customers. It is remarkable that these guys even have a technical term for the rate with which vendor lock-in progresses.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Attach rate " should sound quite scornful to the customers .
It is remarkable that these guys even have a technical term for the rate with which vendor lock-in progresses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Attach rate" should sound quite scornful to the customers.
It is remarkable that these guys even have a technical term for the rate with which vendor lock-in progresses.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Comment doesn't make much sense</title>
	<author>DrXym</author>
	<datestamp>1245491640000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>Activision like most huge companies employes teams to write middleware libraries and tools which probably means a substantial portion of title specific code is platform neutral. Games hit the middleware, not the hardware except in some timing critical places. On top of that, the PS3 would share virtually 100\% of the graphical and audio assets with its PC and 360 counterparts. The upshot is developing for 360/PC/PS3 is not vastly more expensive than developing for 360/PC. Compare to the Wii where virtually all of the game code and assets would be different.
<p>
Therefore I don't accept the motivations for this statement. More likely Sony and Activision are in a pissing match over something like certification fees, PSN fees, technical requirements, 3rd party accessories or similar and this is Activision making their power play. Any way, a price cut is bound to happen sooner than later. Everyone knows its needed, including Sony, especially if the Slim is inbound as it is.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Activision like most huge companies employes teams to write middleware libraries and tools which probably means a substantial portion of title specific code is platform neutral .
Games hit the middleware , not the hardware except in some timing critical places .
On top of that , the PS3 would share virtually 100 \ % of the graphical and audio assets with its PC and 360 counterparts .
The upshot is developing for 360/PC/PS3 is not vastly more expensive than developing for 360/PC .
Compare to the Wii where virtually all of the game code and assets would be different .
Therefore I do n't accept the motivations for this statement .
More likely Sony and Activision are in a pissing match over something like certification fees , PSN fees , technical requirements , 3rd party accessories or similar and this is Activision making their power play .
Any way , a price cut is bound to happen sooner than later .
Everyone knows its needed , including Sony , especially if the Slim is inbound as it is .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Activision like most huge companies employes teams to write middleware libraries and tools which probably means a substantial portion of title specific code is platform neutral.
Games hit the middleware, not the hardware except in some timing critical places.
On top of that, the PS3 would share virtually 100\% of the graphical and audio assets with its PC and 360 counterparts.
The upshot is developing for 360/PC/PS3 is not vastly more expensive than developing for 360/PC.
Compare to the Wii where virtually all of the game code and assets would be different.
Therefore I don't accept the motivations for this statement.
More likely Sony and Activision are in a pissing match over something like certification fees, PSN fees, technical requirements, 3rd party accessories or similar and this is Activision making their power play.
Any way, a price cut is bound to happen sooner than later.
Everyone knows its needed, including Sony, especially if the Slim is inbound as it is.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28399989</id>
	<title>Inferior IP = Inferior Sales, lets blame someone</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245531060000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>This may have more to do with their recent releases being outsold by first party titles on the platform. Infamous outselling Prototype, Killzone 2 and Resistance 2 outselling World at War. Add to that Rock Band outselling Guitar Hero and bar Modern Warfare Activision are struggling for a top selling IP.</htmltext>
<tokenext>This may have more to do with their recent releases being outsold by first party titles on the platform .
Infamous outselling Prototype , Killzone 2 and Resistance 2 outselling World at War .
Add to that Rock Band outselling Guitar Hero and bar Modern Warfare Activision are struggling for a top selling IP .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This may have more to do with their recent releases being outsold by first party titles on the platform.
Infamous outselling Prototype, Killzone 2 and Resistance 2 outselling World at War.
Add to that Rock Band outselling Guitar Hero and bar Modern Warfare Activision are struggling for a top selling IP.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28401157</id>
	<title>Re:The PS3's problem is lack of games.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245507060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p>Hmm, not sure I agree.
</p><p>My typical procedure is to pick up a console when I come across a game I really want.  I think that while the PS3's game lineup is hardly the best history's seen, it has some pretty good stuff.  But every time I think "oh maybe I should just get it", the price of the console itself smacks me in the face and I end up thinking I'll just wait.  </p><p>There's a vague price threshold below which I buy stuff without worrying too much about the price, and the PS3 is comfortably above that threshold.  It isn't a impulse purchase, and I think that in many cases, that's the kiss of death.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hmm , not sure I agree .
My typical procedure is to pick up a console when I come across a game I really want .
I think that while the PS3 's game lineup is hardly the best history 's seen , it has some pretty good stuff .
But every time I think " oh maybe I should just get it " , the price of the console itself smacks me in the face and I end up thinking I 'll just wait .
There 's a vague price threshold below which I buy stuff without worrying too much about the price , and the PS3 is comfortably above that threshold .
It is n't a impulse purchase , and I think that in many cases , that 's the kiss of death .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hmm, not sure I agree.
My typical procedure is to pick up a console when I come across a game I really want.
I think that while the PS3's game lineup is hardly the best history's seen, it has some pretty good stuff.
But every time I think "oh maybe I should just get it", the price of the console itself smacks me in the face and I end up thinking I'll just wait.
There's a vague price threshold below which I buy stuff without worrying too much about the price, and the PS3 is comfortably above that threshold.
It isn't a impulse purchase, and I think that in many cases, that's the kiss of death.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28418657</id>
	<title>Why is sony in a tough spot?</title>
	<author>Otis\_INF</author>
	<datestamp>1245665640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Because Microsoft says they are? PS2 + ps3 combined still outsells the 360, month over month in the US. The Ps3 alone doesn't, but they still sell the Ps2 and there are still games coming out for the Ps2.</p><p>Across the globe, Sony isn't doing bad at all. Sure, I think they really would have liked to be outselling the 360 with the PS3 alone at this moment, but alas, it didn't happen. Big deal, they keep on selling the ps2 and look, it still works. Not everyone looks at the US as the center of the world: the rest of the world also counts, hell, in south america for example, all next-gen consoles are simply too expensive for the majority of the people.</p><p>Sony makes money for activision, so why should activision drop sony? It makes them money. So dropping the platform would LOSE them money, so they won't do that. Sony also knows that and I'm pretty sure they don't even pay attention to this nonsense.</p><p>The problem is more, like your comment, that a certain group of people think sony is in a tough spot and really on the brim to keel over and keep on repeating that whenever they can. That's the real problem for sony at the moment. Not activision's CEO whining about some licenses he has to pay for (which prices he knew up front).</p><p>Though Sony has the solution for this in-house: their own large group of 1st and 2nd party studios. The games they're creating and will create in the coming 2 years are going to make Sony enough money and will sell enough consoles that people who keep on repeating that they're in a tough spot and ready to keel over are not believed anymore.</p><p>In that light, MS has bigger problems. But that's an umpopular statement in gaming world with the large group of very vocal 360 followers online.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Because Microsoft says they are ?
PS2 + ps3 combined still outsells the 360 , month over month in the US .
The Ps3 alone does n't , but they still sell the Ps2 and there are still games coming out for the Ps2.Across the globe , Sony is n't doing bad at all .
Sure , I think they really would have liked to be outselling the 360 with the PS3 alone at this moment , but alas , it did n't happen .
Big deal , they keep on selling the ps2 and look , it still works .
Not everyone looks at the US as the center of the world : the rest of the world also counts , hell , in south america for example , all next-gen consoles are simply too expensive for the majority of the people.Sony makes money for activision , so why should activision drop sony ?
It makes them money .
So dropping the platform would LOSE them money , so they wo n't do that .
Sony also knows that and I 'm pretty sure they do n't even pay attention to this nonsense.The problem is more , like your comment , that a certain group of people think sony is in a tough spot and really on the brim to keel over and keep on repeating that whenever they can .
That 's the real problem for sony at the moment .
Not activision 's CEO whining about some licenses he has to pay for ( which prices he knew up front ) .Though Sony has the solution for this in-house : their own large group of 1st and 2nd party studios .
The games they 're creating and will create in the coming 2 years are going to make Sony enough money and will sell enough consoles that people who keep on repeating that they 're in a tough spot and ready to keel over are not believed anymore.In that light , MS has bigger problems .
But that 's an umpopular statement in gaming world with the large group of very vocal 360 followers online .
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Because Microsoft says they are?
PS2 + ps3 combined still outsells the 360, month over month in the US.
The Ps3 alone doesn't, but they still sell the Ps2 and there are still games coming out for the Ps2.Across the globe, Sony isn't doing bad at all.
Sure, I think they really would have liked to be outselling the 360 with the PS3 alone at this moment, but alas, it didn't happen.
Big deal, they keep on selling the ps2 and look, it still works.
Not everyone looks at the US as the center of the world: the rest of the world also counts, hell, in south america for example, all next-gen consoles are simply too expensive for the majority of the people.Sony makes money for activision, so why should activision drop sony?
It makes them money.
So dropping the platform would LOSE them money, so they won't do that.
Sony also knows that and I'm pretty sure they don't even pay attention to this nonsense.The problem is more, like your comment, that a certain group of people think sony is in a tough spot and really on the brim to keel over and keep on repeating that whenever they can.
That's the real problem for sony at the moment.
Not activision's CEO whining about some licenses he has to pay for (which prices he knew up front).Though Sony has the solution for this in-house: their own large group of 1st and 2nd party studios.
The games they're creating and will create in the coming 2 years are going to make Sony enough money and will sell enough consoles that people who keep on repeating that they're in a tough spot and ready to keel over are not believed anymore.In that light, MS has bigger problems.
But that's an umpopular statement in gaming world with the large group of very vocal 360 followers online.
;)</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400505</id>
	<title>Re:Who needs the price cut?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245496020000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Globally...  Europe is a shitty market to sell many products in.</p><p>If i were to sell a software product i'd mark it up for european markets as well.</p><p>They have heavy consumer protection laws, and like to complain alot. Much harder to screw people over there in the 'usual' ways.    So you gotta get your money up front somehow to cover the costs and headaches of doing business there at all.</p><p>Disagree?  Flamebait?  Sure sure.  whatever.   It's still true.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Globally... Europe is a shitty market to sell many products in.If i were to sell a software product i 'd mark it up for european markets as well.They have heavy consumer protection laws , and like to complain alot .
Much harder to screw people over there in the 'usual ' ways .
So you got ta get your money up front somehow to cover the costs and headaches of doing business there at all.Disagree ?
Flamebait ? Sure sure .
whatever. It 's still true .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Globally...  Europe is a shitty market to sell many products in.If i were to sell a software product i'd mark it up for european markets as well.They have heavy consumer protection laws, and like to complain alot.
Much harder to screw people over there in the 'usual' ways.
So you gotta get your money up front somehow to cover the costs and headaches of doing business there at all.Disagree?
Flamebait?  Sure sure.
whatever.   It's still true.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28419195</id>
	<title>Why rely on Sony and others to make price cuts?</title>
	<author>Niubi</author>
	<datestamp>1245670260000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>The internet is providing plenty of discount outlets and venues where you can buy gadgets and geegaws for well under the recommended retail price. Why pester the big companies to put the $$$ down? Look at websites like <a href="http://www.dubli.com/" title="dubli.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.dubli.com/</a> [dubli.com] - they're selling brand new products at fractions of the prices, simply by putting a simple spin on the auction model. Those who are serious about sourcing cheap, up-to-date gadgets can find them easily and buy them. Meanwhile, Sony can shift their units to those who just don't care - there's always somebody who wants it all NOW and doesn't care about the price of the damn thing.

And that, my friends, is the beauty of capitalism. Activision? They should stop blaming Sony's reasonable model and focus instead on producing quality games that work cross-platform.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The internet is providing plenty of discount outlets and venues where you can buy gadgets and geegaws for well under the recommended retail price .
Why pester the big companies to put the $ $ $ down ?
Look at websites like http : //www.dubli.com/ [ dubli.com ] - they 're selling brand new products at fractions of the prices , simply by putting a simple spin on the auction model .
Those who are serious about sourcing cheap , up-to-date gadgets can find them easily and buy them .
Meanwhile , Sony can shift their units to those who just do n't care - there 's always somebody who wants it all NOW and does n't care about the price of the damn thing .
And that , my friends , is the beauty of capitalism .
Activision ? They should stop blaming Sony 's reasonable model and focus instead on producing quality games that work cross-platform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The internet is providing plenty of discount outlets and venues where you can buy gadgets and geegaws for well under the recommended retail price.
Why pester the big companies to put the $$$ down?
Look at websites like http://www.dubli.com/ [dubli.com] - they're selling brand new products at fractions of the prices, simply by putting a simple spin on the auction model.
Those who are serious about sourcing cheap, up-to-date gadgets can find them easily and buy them.
Meanwhile, Sony can shift their units to those who just don't care - there's always somebody who wants it all NOW and doesn't care about the price of the damn thing.
And that, my friends, is the beauty of capitalism.
Activision? They should stop blaming Sony's reasonable model and focus instead on producing quality games that work cross-platform.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400317</id>
	<title>Re:When planning on lowering prices, best to shut</title>
	<author>madsenj37</author>
	<datestamp>1245493500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
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	<htmltext>The wikipedia article you point to has Sony benefiting from the reverse-Osbourne effect.  When they announced the end of PS2 hardware emulation in the PS3, sales of the 60 GB PS3 with PS2 Hardware soared.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The wikipedia article you point to has Sony benefiting from the reverse-Osbourne effect .
When they announced the end of PS2 hardware emulation in the PS3 , sales of the 60 GB PS3 with PS2 Hardware soared .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The wikipedia article you point to has Sony benefiting from the reverse-Osbourne effect.
When they announced the end of PS2 hardware emulation in the PS3, sales of the 60 GB PS3 with PS2 Hardware soared.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400209</id>
	<title>Re:The PS3's problem is lack of games.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245491400000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Agreed also true in the sense they could also bundle more games with it. For instance, I got my 40Gb with a $100 gift card to a large international retailer.</p><p>Off Metacritic.com, the same games have higher scores for the 360 and average top 20 games are 2 percent better.</p><p>Generally, me thinks (and this is no secret) the developers just hate Sony and their hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed also true in the sense they could also bundle more games with it .
For instance , I got my 40Gb with a $ 100 gift card to a large international retailer.Off Metacritic.com , the same games have higher scores for the 360 and average top 20 games are 2 percent better.Generally , me thinks ( and this is no secret ) the developers just hate Sony and their hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed also true in the sense they could also bundle more games with it.
For instance, I got my 40Gb with a $100 gift card to a large international retailer.Off Metacritic.com, the same games have higher scores for the 360 and average top 20 games are 2 percent better.Generally, me thinks (and this is no secret) the developers just hate Sony and their hardware.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400195</id>
	<title>Re:When planning on lowering prices, best to shut</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245491160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Sony execs aren't dumb. They aren't going to announce price cuts until they happen.</i>
<p>
Especially with a slim model on the way. Anyway its fairly likely what Sony will do since they've done it before. When the new model appears they'll dump the price on the old model, bundle the new model with some goodies and sell at a premium. Then when the old are cleared out, unbundle the new model and continue selling at the new lower price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sony execs are n't dumb .
They are n't going to announce price cuts until they happen .
Especially with a slim model on the way .
Anyway its fairly likely what Sony will do since they 've done it before .
When the new model appears they 'll dump the price on the old model , bundle the new model with some goodies and sell at a premium .
Then when the old are cleared out , unbundle the new model and continue selling at the new lower price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sony execs aren't dumb.
They aren't going to announce price cuts until they happen.
Especially with a slim model on the way.
Anyway its fairly likely what Sony will do since they've done it before.
When the new model appears they'll dump the price on the old model, bundle the new model with some goodies and sell at a premium.
Then when the old are cleared out, unbundle the new model and continue selling at the new lower price.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28403457</id>
	<title>Re:The PS3's problem is lack of games.</title>
	<author>MBGMorden</author>
	<datestamp>1245527220000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>A 40GB model is still WAY more expensive that the Xbox360 whose baseline model comes in at $199.  No, that one doesn't have a hard drive, but it DOES have a memory card which is all you really need for savegames if you truly are wanting it for a gaming machine.</p><p>As much as I dislike Microsoft, for me the 360 is simply the way to go right now.  Most "traditional" style games are coming out on both platforms.  The 360 is (or was in my case) cheaper.  Both systems are pretty capable hardware wise - though I'll say that I like the Xbox 360 controllers better (I've never been a fan of Sony controllers).  I bought my 360 as one of the newer revisions that were supposed to have most of the hardware issues solved - I certainly haven't had any issues with mine.</p><p>About the only reason I'd buy a PS3 right now would be for the included Blu-ray player.  At one time when they were similar in price I ALMOST bought the baseline PS3 as I thought "Hey, it's a blu-ray player with basically a free game system included.". I put off my Blu-ray purchase though and now standalone players are falling in price much, much faster than the PS3.  Now rather than being a blu-ray player with a free game system it's a blu-ray player with a $200 premium for the game system added.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>A 40GB model is still WAY more expensive that the Xbox360 whose baseline model comes in at $ 199 .
No , that one does n't have a hard drive , but it DOES have a memory card which is all you really need for savegames if you truly are wanting it for a gaming machine.As much as I dislike Microsoft , for me the 360 is simply the way to go right now .
Most " traditional " style games are coming out on both platforms .
The 360 is ( or was in my case ) cheaper .
Both systems are pretty capable hardware wise - though I 'll say that I like the Xbox 360 controllers better ( I 've never been a fan of Sony controllers ) .
I bought my 360 as one of the newer revisions that were supposed to have most of the hardware issues solved - I certainly have n't had any issues with mine.About the only reason I 'd buy a PS3 right now would be for the included Blu-ray player .
At one time when they were similar in price I ALMOST bought the baseline PS3 as I thought " Hey , it 's a blu-ray player with basically a free game system included. " .
I put off my Blu-ray purchase though and now standalone players are falling in price much , much faster than the PS3 .
Now rather than being a blu-ray player with a free game system it 's a blu-ray player with a $ 200 premium for the game system added .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A 40GB model is still WAY more expensive that the Xbox360 whose baseline model comes in at $199.
No, that one doesn't have a hard drive, but it DOES have a memory card which is all you really need for savegames if you truly are wanting it for a gaming machine.As much as I dislike Microsoft, for me the 360 is simply the way to go right now.
Most "traditional" style games are coming out on both platforms.
The 360 is (or was in my case) cheaper.
Both systems are pretty capable hardware wise - though I'll say that I like the Xbox 360 controllers better (I've never been a fan of Sony controllers).
I bought my 360 as one of the newer revisions that were supposed to have most of the hardware issues solved - I certainly haven't had any issues with mine.About the only reason I'd buy a PS3 right now would be for the included Blu-ray player.
At one time when they were similar in price I ALMOST bought the baseline PS3 as I thought "Hey, it's a blu-ray player with basically a free game system included.".
I put off my Blu-ray purchase though and now standalone players are falling in price much, much faster than the PS3.
Now rather than being a blu-ray player with a free game system it's a blu-ray player with a $200 premium for the game system added.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28401753</id>
	<title>Re:Inferior IP = Inferior Sales, lets blame someon</title>
	<author>MemoryDragon</author>
	<datestamp>1245512340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Oh well Activision wanted to have every game being a multi million dollar franchise which should sell a butload of copies every year, I guess they failed their way!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Oh well Activision wanted to have every game being a multi million dollar franchise which should sell a butload of copies every year , I guess they failed their way !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Oh well Activision wanted to have every game being a multi million dollar franchise which should sell a butload of copies every year, I guess they failed their way!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400499</id>
	<title>Re:Who needs the price cut?</title>
	<author>sznupi</author>
	<datestamp>1245495960000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>Uhmmm...since you live \_here\_ you surely must know that it is, in large part, thanks to local distributors, not Nintendo/Apple/etc. (companies which, in reality, don't have a presence here; they rely on some 3rd party that takes silly cut for itself)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Uhmmm...since you live \ _here \ _ you surely must know that it is , in large part , thanks to local distributors , not Nintendo/Apple/etc .
( companies which , in reality , do n't have a presence here ; they rely on some 3rd party that takes silly cut for itself )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Uhmmm...since you live \_here\_ you surely must know that it is, in large part, thanks to local distributors, not Nintendo/Apple/etc.
(companies which, in reality, don't have a presence here; they rely on some 3rd party that takes silly cut for itself)</sentencetext>
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	<title>The PS3's problem is lack of games.</title>
	<author>yourassOA</author>
	<datestamp>1245531120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Not being overpriced. The 40GB models are comparable in price to an Xbox and it is a simple matter to change the HDD . Mine is 320GB.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Not being overpriced .
The 40GB models are comparable in price to an Xbox and it is a simple matter to change the HDD .
Mine is 320GB .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not being overpriced.
The 40GB models are comparable in price to an Xbox and it is a simple matter to change the HDD .
Mine is 320GB.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28410725</id>
	<title>Re:Who needs the price cut?</title>
	<author>KDR\_11k</author>
	<datestamp>1245599580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>VAT is added to the price, not paid as a part of it (calculation-wise, the sticker price has the VAT included of course) so the tax-free price would be 332/1.22 = 272. Not a huge difference but I wanted to point out the different calculation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>VAT is added to the price , not paid as a part of it ( calculation-wise , the sticker price has the VAT included of course ) so the tax-free price would be 332/1.22 = 272 .
Not a huge difference but I wanted to point out the different calculation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>VAT is added to the price, not paid as a part of it (calculation-wise, the sticker price has the VAT included of course) so the tax-free price would be 332/1.22 = 272.
Not a huge difference but I wanted to point out the different calculation.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400815</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28402277</id>
	<title>Re:The PS3's problem is lack of games.</title>
	<author>sqlrob</author>
	<datestamp>1245516540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>According to ESRB, There are 811 rated games for the 360, 521 for PS3</p><p>That doesn't say anything about quality or which are multiplatform.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>According to ESRB , There are 811 rated games for the 360 , 521 for PS3That does n't say anything about quality or which are multiplatform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>According to ESRB, There are 811 rated games for the 360, 521 for PS3That doesn't say anything about quality or which are multiplatform.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400567</id>
	<title>Re:Who needs the price cut?</title>
	<author>Rogerborg</author>
	<datestamp>1245496860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Bastards really <b>need</b> to pull heads out of their asses and cut the crap with "double the price for Europe" politics.</p></div></blockquote><p>You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.

</p><p>If the units are moving off the shelves, then they don't "need" to do anything.  <a href="http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2007/20070210.jpg" title="penny-arcade.com">Here's the pictorial explanation</a> [penny-arcade.com].</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bastards really need to pull heads out of their asses and cut the crap with " double the price for Europe " politics.You keep using that word .
I do not think it means what you think it means .
If the units are moving off the shelves , then they do n't " need " to do anything .
Here 's the pictorial explanation [ penny-arcade.com ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bastards really need to pull heads out of their asses and cut the crap with "double the price for Europe" politics.You keep using that word.
I do not think it means what you think it means.
If the units are moving off the shelves, then they don't "need" to do anything.
Here's the pictorial explanation [penny-arcade.com].
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400307</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400815</id>
	<title>Re:Who needs the price cut?</title>
	<author>enrevanche</author>
	<datestamp>1245501180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is more expensive than in the US, but not as much as you think.

</p><p>Polish VAT is 22\%, so 384USD after VAT is removed would be 384 * 0.78 = 299.

</p><p>In the US, the price is actually about 249 for the console alone. (mail order prices)

</p><p>Also after doing a search (see <a href="http://www.nokaut.pl/konsole/konsola-nintendo-wii.html" title="nokaut.pl">http://www.nokaut.pl/konsole/konsola-nintendo-wii.html</a> [nokaut.pl]), the typical price seems to about 1080, i.e. 1080 * 0.307579 = 332 and 332 *0.78 = 259

</p><p>So there is really not much difference.

</p><p>Note, in the US, we pay sales tax on top of the purchase price, but it is usually less than 10\%. You can usually avoid it by ordering over the internet from another (US) state.

</p><p>It is unfortunate that the exchange rates substantially undervalue labor in Eastern Europe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is more expensive than in the US , but not as much as you think .
Polish VAT is 22 \ % , so 384USD after VAT is removed would be 384 * 0.78 = 299 .
In the US , the price is actually about 249 for the console alone .
( mail order prices ) Also after doing a search ( see http : //www.nokaut.pl/konsole/konsola-nintendo-wii.html [ nokaut.pl ] ) , the typical price seems to about 1080 , i.e .
1080 * 0.307579 = 332 and 332 * 0.78 = 259 So there is really not much difference .
Note , in the US , we pay sales tax on top of the purchase price , but it is usually less than 10 \ % .
You can usually avoid it by ordering over the internet from another ( US ) state .
It is unfortunate that the exchange rates substantially undervalue labor in Eastern Europe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is more expensive than in the US, but not as much as you think.
Polish VAT is 22\%, so 384USD after VAT is removed would be 384 * 0.78 = 299.
In the US, the price is actually about 249 for the console alone.
(mail order prices)

Also after doing a search (see http://www.nokaut.pl/konsole/konsola-nintendo-wii.html [nokaut.pl]), the typical price seems to about 1080, i.e.
1080 * 0.307579 = 332 and 332 *0.78 = 259

So there is really not much difference.
Note, in the US, we pay sales tax on top of the purchase price, but it is usually less than 10\%.
You can usually avoid it by ordering over the internet from another (US) state.
It is unfortunate that the exchange rates substantially undervalue labor in Eastern Europe.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28400375</id>
	<title>Tempting</title>
	<author>zmollusc</author>
	<datestamp>1245494280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Lowering the price of the PS3? Hmmm... It is an impressive spec, but I don't think I shall buy one because FUCK SONY!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Lowering the price of the PS3 ?
Hmmm... It is an impressive spec , but I do n't think I shall buy one because FUCK SONY !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Lowering the price of the PS3?
Hmmm... It is an impressive spec, but I don't think I shall buy one because FUCK SONY!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0618229.28401667</id>
	<title>backwards compatibility</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245511740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Forget price cuts. Without backwards compatibility, I and most PS fans have zero reason to buy a PS3. I can say, their blatant disregard for their established customer base destroys all confidence that they can satisfy me as a customer.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Forget price cuts .
Without backwards compatibility , I and most PS fans have zero reason to buy a PS3 .
I can say , their blatant disregard for their established customer base destroys all confidence that they can satisfy me as a customer .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Forget price cuts.
Without backwards compatibility, I and most PS fans have zero reason to buy a PS3.
I can say, their blatant disregard for their established customer base destroys all confidence that they can satisfy me as a customer.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:attach rate info is wrong</title>
	<author>daath93</author>
	<datestamp>1245489840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Activision's point seems to be that with a low console turnout there will be a smaller volume of people demanding Activision games to those consoles vs more successful consoles, which makes it difficult for the manufacturer to justify the cost to retool the entire game to run on the silly PS3 architecture.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Activision 's point seems to be that with a low console turnout there will be a smaller volume of people demanding Activision games to those consoles vs more successful consoles , which makes it difficult for the manufacturer to justify the cost to retool the entire game to run on the silly PS3 architecture .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Activision's point seems to be that with a low console turnout there will be a smaller volume of people demanding Activision games to those consoles vs more successful consoles, which makes it difficult for the manufacturer to justify the cost to retool the entire game to run on the silly PS3 architecture.</sentencetext>
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