<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_20_0250205</id>
	<title>The Truth Behind the Death of Linux On the Netbook</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1245503940000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://harmono.dromo.us/" rel="nofollow">eldavojohn</a> writes <i>"Groklaw brings us news of <a href="http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20090619161307529">Microsoft holding the smoking gun</a> in regards to <a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=4311">the death of Linux on netbooks</a>.  You see, the question of Linux on netbooks in Taiwan was put forth to the Taiwan Trade Authority director, who replied, 'In our association we operate as a consortium, like the open source consortium. They want to promote open source and Linux. But if you begin from the PC you are afraid of Microsoft. They try to go to the smart phone or PDA to start again.'  It's simple; fear will keep them in line.  PJ points out, 'So next time you hear Microsoft bragging that people <em>prefer</em> their software to Linux on netbooks, you'll know better. If they really believed that, they'd let the market speak, on a level playing field.  If I say my horse is faster than yours, and you says yours is faster, and we let our horses race around the track, that establishes the point. But if you shoot my horse, that leaves questions in the air. Is your horse <em>really</em> faster? If so, why shoot my horse?'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>eldavojohn writes " Groklaw brings us news of Microsoft holding the smoking gun in regards to the death of Linux on netbooks .
You see , the question of Linux on netbooks in Taiwan was put forth to the Taiwan Trade Authority director , who replied , 'In our association we operate as a consortium , like the open source consortium .
They want to promote open source and Linux .
But if you begin from the PC you are afraid of Microsoft .
They try to go to the smart phone or PDA to start again .
' It 's simple ; fear will keep them in line .
PJ points out , 'So next time you hear Microsoft bragging that people prefer their software to Linux on netbooks , you 'll know better .
If they really believed that , they 'd let the market speak , on a level playing field .
If I say my horse is faster than yours , and you says yours is faster , and we let our horses race around the track , that establishes the point .
But if you shoot my horse , that leaves questions in the air .
Is your horse really faster ?
If so , why shoot my horse ?
' "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>eldavojohn writes "Groklaw brings us news of Microsoft holding the smoking gun in regards to the death of Linux on netbooks.
You see, the question of Linux on netbooks in Taiwan was put forth to the Taiwan Trade Authority director, who replied, 'In our association we operate as a consortium, like the open source consortium.
They want to promote open source and Linux.
But if you begin from the PC you are afraid of Microsoft.
They try to go to the smart phone or PDA to start again.
'  It's simple; fear will keep them in line.
PJ points out, 'So next time you hear Microsoft bragging that people prefer their software to Linux on netbooks, you'll know better.
If they really believed that, they'd let the market speak, on a level playing field.
If I say my horse is faster than yours, and you says yours is faster, and we let our horses race around the track, that establishes the point.
But if you shoot my horse, that leaves questions in the air.
Is your horse really faster?
If so, why shoot my horse?
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401269</id>
	<title>This is so frustrating</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245508260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Linux has come a long way and it is ready for the average user.  Yes, Joe-six-pack can use linux with a 15 minute tutorial in the basics.  I just want to scream knowing that Microsoft is still undermining the market and retarding progress!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux has come a long way and it is ready for the average user .
Yes , Joe-six-pack can use linux with a 15 minute tutorial in the basics .
I just want to scream knowing that Microsoft is still undermining the market and retarding progress !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux has come a long way and it is ready for the average user.
Yes, Joe-six-pack can use linux with a 15 minute tutorial in the basics.
I just want to scream knowing that Microsoft is still undermining the market and retarding progress!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401919</id>
	<title>Re:OEM laziness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245513600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not just the drivers.  I just bought an Asus Eebook 900 series and was told that although XP was preloaded there would be no problem blowing it away and loading LINUX... WRONG.  The microphone is dead, so no IP Telephony (Ekiga, Skype, etc.) will work.  I have Ubuntu 9.04 loaded.  I did later (kick self) check the forums and found that this is a known problem with no good work around.  It has been known since 2008. The Asus solution is go back to XP.  There is a kernel patch  available that will be blown away each time the kernel is upgraded.  AAARGH.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not just the drivers .
I just bought an Asus Eebook 900 series and was told that although XP was preloaded there would be no problem blowing it away and loading LINUX... WRONG. The microphone is dead , so no IP Telephony ( Ekiga , Skype , etc .
) will work .
I have Ubuntu 9.04 loaded .
I did later ( kick self ) check the forums and found that this is a known problem with no good work around .
It has been known since 2008 .
The Asus solution is go back to XP .
There is a kernel patch available that will be blown away each time the kernel is upgraded .
AAARGH .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not just the drivers.
I just bought an Asus Eebook 900 series and was told that although XP was preloaded there would be no problem blowing it away and loading LINUX... WRONG.  The microphone is dead, so no IP Telephony (Ekiga, Skype, etc.
) will work.
I have Ubuntu 9.04 loaded.
I did later (kick self) check the forums and found that this is a known problem with no good work around.
It has been known since 2008.
The Asus solution is go back to XP.
There is a kernel patch  available that will be blown away each time the kernel is upgraded.
AAARGH.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401755</id>
	<title>Linux is inherently anti-consumer, pro-business</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245512340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The great mystery of computing is not that Linux is not in the consumer space, but that Windows is so entrenched in the enterprise space.</p><p>Windows is inherently a consumer operating system.  It has a developer mythology that the dream Windows development is to make that one product that you can sell and make millions with. It's got a rich set of services developers can use to build consumer products, and it treats a product like a product, a property that can be bought, traded, and rented. You've got a well documented set of graphics and sound APIs, a halfway decent networking stack, and a bunch of tools that are frankly geared towards producing consumer products and these things support a healthy consumer market.  Consumers, to some degree, actually like to spend money, so that Windows is non-free actually enhances its perceived value in the consumer space.  If you receive something or buy something that doesn't work in Windows, its not something that you try and sort out and fix, its time to move on to another product.  Everything is a black box good that you pay for, it either works or it doesn't, and that's what people on the consumer level want.</p><p>On the other hand, Linux is a total corporate and government system.  It has a developer mythology that "welcome to the basement of megacorp, I've got a jar skittles.. we're both cogs.. here's your cube."  Thus, the economic prospect that in the Linux world, your work product is worthless in the market sense, but,  your boss gets to use the economic benefit of it over and over again, and, if you can get to keep working on it for a bit, that's pretty interesting and you get a paycheck for it.    If you want to get rich with Linux, it won't be by making an application.  You'd have to make a consumer black box out of it by hosting a web site using it.  But all the development and other tools of Linux have a certain corporate basement feel.  Nothing is really a consumer level product, but, everything has all sorts of rich nooks and crannies to do a bunch of different corporate tasks.  Consumers don't need to replace social security numbers in a giant database with some new form of proprietary identifier, but Linux developers do, and that's where the strength of Linux tools lie.</p><p>Do you really want Linux to be a consumer system anyway?  To some extent, that means getting rid of an awful lot that is lovable about Linux.  It means polishing out (getting rid of), that barely documented switch to a command where an author left a note saying "uh, this piece of code I put in and got to work for this one thing that I was doing but I'm not really maintaining it", or, to not have that feature at all, or, even worse, have the feature, but not the warning.  In any case, there's nothing about Windows that reminds me of the guy in the basement offering some skittles in the basement of the power company, but Linux has that in spades, and I like skittles.</p><p>For Linux to be a consumer system, we have to have a world where we take art seriously.  That means no copying of images, or songs, worrying about who owns what, and, in a corporate world, all of that is a pain in the rear.  If we made Linux into a consumer system and had a consumer culture with it, there's no way you could, from your basement, tell the next bit of bits in your desk to get in line, just like all the other bits.  We're all just corporate cogs, hey, here's some skittles.</p><p>Me thinks that rather than charging to get consumers to adopt Linux, it should be to drive Windows out of the corporation.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The great mystery of computing is not that Linux is not in the consumer space , but that Windows is so entrenched in the enterprise space.Windows is inherently a consumer operating system .
It has a developer mythology that the dream Windows development is to make that one product that you can sell and make millions with .
It 's got a rich set of services developers can use to build consumer products , and it treats a product like a product , a property that can be bought , traded , and rented .
You 've got a well documented set of graphics and sound APIs , a halfway decent networking stack , and a bunch of tools that are frankly geared towards producing consumer products and these things support a healthy consumer market .
Consumers , to some degree , actually like to spend money , so that Windows is non-free actually enhances its perceived value in the consumer space .
If you receive something or buy something that does n't work in Windows , its not something that you try and sort out and fix , its time to move on to another product .
Everything is a black box good that you pay for , it either works or it does n't , and that 's what people on the consumer level want.On the other hand , Linux is a total corporate and government system .
It has a developer mythology that " welcome to the basement of megacorp , I 've got a jar skittles.. we 're both cogs.. here 's your cube .
" Thus , the economic prospect that in the Linux world , your work product is worthless in the market sense , but , your boss gets to use the economic benefit of it over and over again , and , if you can get to keep working on it for a bit , that 's pretty interesting and you get a paycheck for it .
If you want to get rich with Linux , it wo n't be by making an application .
You 'd have to make a consumer black box out of it by hosting a web site using it .
But all the development and other tools of Linux have a certain corporate basement feel .
Nothing is really a consumer level product , but , everything has all sorts of rich nooks and crannies to do a bunch of different corporate tasks .
Consumers do n't need to replace social security numbers in a giant database with some new form of proprietary identifier , but Linux developers do , and that 's where the strength of Linux tools lie.Do you really want Linux to be a consumer system anyway ?
To some extent , that means getting rid of an awful lot that is lovable about Linux .
It means polishing out ( getting rid of ) , that barely documented switch to a command where an author left a note saying " uh , this piece of code I put in and got to work for this one thing that I was doing but I 'm not really maintaining it " , or , to not have that feature at all , or , even worse , have the feature , but not the warning .
In any case , there 's nothing about Windows that reminds me of the guy in the basement offering some skittles in the basement of the power company , but Linux has that in spades , and I like skittles.For Linux to be a consumer system , we have to have a world where we take art seriously .
That means no copying of images , or songs , worrying about who owns what , and , in a corporate world , all of that is a pain in the rear .
If we made Linux into a consumer system and had a consumer culture with it , there 's no way you could , from your basement , tell the next bit of bits in your desk to get in line , just like all the other bits .
We 're all just corporate cogs , hey , here 's some skittles.Me thinks that rather than charging to get consumers to adopt Linux , it should be to drive Windows out of the corporation .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The great mystery of computing is not that Linux is not in the consumer space, but that Windows is so entrenched in the enterprise space.Windows is inherently a consumer operating system.
It has a developer mythology that the dream Windows development is to make that one product that you can sell and make millions with.
It's got a rich set of services developers can use to build consumer products, and it treats a product like a product, a property that can be bought, traded, and rented.
You've got a well documented set of graphics and sound APIs, a halfway decent networking stack, and a bunch of tools that are frankly geared towards producing consumer products and these things support a healthy consumer market.
Consumers, to some degree, actually like to spend money, so that Windows is non-free actually enhances its perceived value in the consumer space.
If you receive something or buy something that doesn't work in Windows, its not something that you try and sort out and fix, its time to move on to another product.
Everything is a black box good that you pay for, it either works or it doesn't, and that's what people on the consumer level want.On the other hand, Linux is a total corporate and government system.
It has a developer mythology that "welcome to the basement of megacorp, I've got a jar skittles.. we're both cogs.. here's your cube.
"  Thus, the economic prospect that in the Linux world, your work product is worthless in the market sense, but,  your boss gets to use the economic benefit of it over and over again, and, if you can get to keep working on it for a bit, that's pretty interesting and you get a paycheck for it.
If you want to get rich with Linux, it won't be by making an application.
You'd have to make a consumer black box out of it by hosting a web site using it.
But all the development and other tools of Linux have a certain corporate basement feel.
Nothing is really a consumer level product, but, everything has all sorts of rich nooks and crannies to do a bunch of different corporate tasks.
Consumers don't need to replace social security numbers in a giant database with some new form of proprietary identifier, but Linux developers do, and that's where the strength of Linux tools lie.Do you really want Linux to be a consumer system anyway?
To some extent, that means getting rid of an awful lot that is lovable about Linux.
It means polishing out (getting rid of), that barely documented switch to a command where an author left a note saying "uh, this piece of code I put in and got to work for this one thing that I was doing but I'm not really maintaining it", or, to not have that feature at all, or, even worse, have the feature, but not the warning.
In any case, there's nothing about Windows that reminds me of the guy in the basement offering some skittles in the basement of the power company, but Linux has that in spades, and I like skittles.For Linux to be a consumer system, we have to have a world where we take art seriously.
That means no copying of images, or songs, worrying about who owns what, and, in a corporate world, all of that is a pain in the rear.
If we made Linux into a consumer system and had a consumer culture with it, there's no way you could, from your basement, tell the next bit of bits in your desk to get in line, just like all the other bits.
We're all just corporate cogs, hey, here's some skittles.Me thinks that rather than charging to get consumers to adopt Linux, it should be to drive Windows out of the corporation.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28409895</id>
	<title>Re:Horse analogies are making a comeback!</title>
	<author>mugurel</author>
	<datestamp>1245591000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Mind you, I do prefer horses over cars, but how do you frame the free vs. proprietary software as a horse analogy? I'm thinking of the welded cowling.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Mind you , I do prefer horses over cars , but how do you frame the free vs. proprietary software as a horse analogy ?
I 'm thinking of the welded cowling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Mind you, I do prefer horses over cars, but how do you frame the free vs. proprietary software as a horse analogy?
I'm thinking of the welded cowling.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401279</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401409</id>
	<title>OMG</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245509340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>OMG I AM SO SURPRISED, MICROSOFT DO SOMETHING NASTY IN THE NAME OF BUSINESS?</p><p>Seriously, they have been well known, since their inception for the strongarm business techniques and relentless salespeople</p><p>That's why the rose to power in the first place, so why is this really news?  Any we all know that plebians are trained to be afraid of linux and "t3rm1n4l h4x"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>OMG I AM SO SURPRISED , MICROSOFT DO SOMETHING NASTY IN THE NAME OF BUSINESS ? Seriously , they have been well known , since their inception for the strongarm business techniques and relentless salespeopleThat 's why the rose to power in the first place , so why is this really news ?
Any we all know that plebians are trained to be afraid of linux and " t3rm1n4l h4x "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OMG I AM SO SURPRISED, MICROSOFT DO SOMETHING NASTY IN THE NAME OF BUSINESS?Seriously, they have been well known, since their inception for the strongarm business techniques and relentless salespeopleThat's why the rose to power in the first place, so why is this really news?
Any we all know that plebians are trained to be afraid of linux and "t3rm1n4l h4x"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401731</id>
	<title>Re:Smoking Gun? Hardly</title>
	<author>ground.zero.612</author>
	<datestamp>1245512160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There is also a cart-and-horse problem in that software runs on hardware. If hardware companies make bad decisions or bad hardware, it either a) puts undue burden on software companies, or b) fails out of the market (ie, PS3).<br> <br>

Maybe GNU distributions should consolidate and form a mega-corporation if they actually want to compete. It seems like GNU is fractured beyond repair and the zealots are becoming whinier and whinier by the minute. If *you* want GNU to be the next Microsoft, quit arguing amongst yourselves about which GUI is better, which editor is better, which distribution is better, which package system is better, etc, etc, etc...<br> <br>

If I ran a software mega-corporation you had better believe that I would put as much influence as possible in the hardware companies' direction to ensure my product has the proper tools it needs to run better than my competition's.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There is also a cart-and-horse problem in that software runs on hardware .
If hardware companies make bad decisions or bad hardware , it either a ) puts undue burden on software companies , or b ) fails out of the market ( ie , PS3 ) .
Maybe GNU distributions should consolidate and form a mega-corporation if they actually want to compete .
It seems like GNU is fractured beyond repair and the zealots are becoming whinier and whinier by the minute .
If * you * want GNU to be the next Microsoft , quit arguing amongst yourselves about which GUI is better , which editor is better , which distribution is better , which package system is better , etc , etc , etc.. . If I ran a software mega-corporation you had better believe that I would put as much influence as possible in the hardware companies ' direction to ensure my product has the proper tools it needs to run better than my competition 's .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is also a cart-and-horse problem in that software runs on hardware.
If hardware companies make bad decisions or bad hardware, it either a) puts undue burden on software companies, or b) fails out of the market (ie, PS3).
Maybe GNU distributions should consolidate and form a mega-corporation if they actually want to compete.
It seems like GNU is fractured beyond repair and the zealots are becoming whinier and whinier by the minute.
If *you* want GNU to be the next Microsoft, quit arguing amongst yourselves about which GUI is better, which editor is better, which distribution is better, which package system is better, etc, etc, etc... 

If I ran a software mega-corporation you had better believe that I would put as much influence as possible in the hardware companies' direction to ensure my product has the proper tools it needs to run better than my competition's.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401259</id>
	<title>Smoking Gun? Hardly</title>
	<author>hansraj</author>
	<datestamp>1245508080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Taking the whose-horse-is-faster analogy from the summary, if you decided not to challenge me to race your horse with mine because you are afraid that I might shoot your horse instead of my actually shooting the horse then you can't really claim that you have a "smoking gun" about my evil intentions.</p><p>All that is quoted in the article is that someone said they are afraid of Microsoft. That in itself doesn't even come close to a smoking gun against microsoft. Unless "smoking gun" now just refers to something that is just a circumstantial evidence.</p><p>I despise MS tactics and personally suspect that there might actually be some truth to whatever is being implied here, but come on, this article is nothing but preaching to the choir.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Taking the whose-horse-is-faster analogy from the summary , if you decided not to challenge me to race your horse with mine because you are afraid that I might shoot your horse instead of my actually shooting the horse then you ca n't really claim that you have a " smoking gun " about my evil intentions.All that is quoted in the article is that someone said they are afraid of Microsoft .
That in itself does n't even come close to a smoking gun against microsoft .
Unless " smoking gun " now just refers to something that is just a circumstantial evidence.I despise MS tactics and personally suspect that there might actually be some truth to whatever is being implied here , but come on , this article is nothing but preaching to the choir .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Taking the whose-horse-is-faster analogy from the summary, if you decided not to challenge me to race your horse with mine because you are afraid that I might shoot your horse instead of my actually shooting the horse then you can't really claim that you have a "smoking gun" about my evil intentions.All that is quoted in the article is that someone said they are afraid of Microsoft.
That in itself doesn't even come close to a smoking gun against microsoft.
Unless "smoking gun" now just refers to something that is just a circumstantial evidence.I despise MS tactics and personally suspect that there might actually be some truth to whatever is being implied here, but come on, this article is nothing but preaching to the choir.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401807</id>
	<title>Re:No smoking gun, just pro-Linux propoganda</title>
	<author>GRW</author>
	<datestamp>1245512640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well Joe computer user should care.  Real competition in the marketplace makes for better products and consumer choice.  We would not accept the situation in the computer industry in any other industry.  I can walk into an electronics retailer and see multiple brands of sound systems, or go into a housewares store and choose among multiple brands of cookware or coffee makers, yet if I walk into a computer store I see the same OS on all of the computers even if they have different brand names on them.   Many people might prefer Windows to Linux, but they should have the right to make that choice.  As things stand, they do not in any meaningful way.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well Joe computer user should care .
Real competition in the marketplace makes for better products and consumer choice .
We would not accept the situation in the computer industry in any other industry .
I can walk into an electronics retailer and see multiple brands of sound systems , or go into a housewares store and choose among multiple brands of cookware or coffee makers , yet if I walk into a computer store I see the same OS on all of the computers even if they have different brand names on them .
Many people might prefer Windows to Linux , but they should have the right to make that choice .
As things stand , they do not in any meaningful way .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well Joe computer user should care.
Real competition in the marketplace makes for better products and consumer choice.
We would not accept the situation in the computer industry in any other industry.
I can walk into an electronics retailer and see multiple brands of sound systems, or go into a housewares store and choose among multiple brands of cookware or coffee makers, yet if I walk into a computer store I see the same OS on all of the computers even if they have different brand names on them.
Many people might prefer Windows to Linux, but they should have the right to make that choice.
As things stand, they do not in any meaningful way.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28402325</id>
	<title>Re:Easy picture</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245516900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>It's easy to see Ballmer, <b> chair</b> in hand, claiming "Now, mine is faster".</i><br>There, fixed that for you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's easy to see Ballmer , chair in hand , claiming " Now , mine is faster " .There , fixed that for you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's easy to see Ballmer,  chair in hand, claiming "Now, mine is faster".There, fixed that for you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401649</id>
	<title>Don't forget Intel</title>
	<author>dpilot</author>
	<datestamp>1245511500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If anyone these days has the balls to take on Microsoft, it's Intel.  Intel has Moblin, and just sunk a pile of money into Moblin.  I suspect they're also a bit tired of getting the screw-deal from Microsoft, too.  Intel's entire low-end is pretty much zero profit - they make all their money on the high-end that piggy-backs on top.  The lion's share of profit on low-end computing goes to Microsoft.  Most live with it, I suspect Intel is tired of that situation.</p><p>Not that Intel doesn't have their monopoly abuses, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If anyone these days has the balls to take on Microsoft , it 's Intel .
Intel has Moblin , and just sunk a pile of money into Moblin .
I suspect they 're also a bit tired of getting the screw-deal from Microsoft , too .
Intel 's entire low-end is pretty much zero profit - they make all their money on the high-end that piggy-backs on top .
The lion 's share of profit on low-end computing goes to Microsoft .
Most live with it , I suspect Intel is tired of that situation.Not that Intel does n't have their monopoly abuses , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If anyone these days has the balls to take on Microsoft, it's Intel.
Intel has Moblin, and just sunk a pile of money into Moblin.
I suspect they're also a bit tired of getting the screw-deal from Microsoft, too.
Intel's entire low-end is pretty much zero profit - they make all their money on the high-end that piggy-backs on top.
The lion's share of profit on low-end computing goes to Microsoft.
Most live with it, I suspect Intel is tired of that situation.Not that Intel doesn't have their monopoly abuses, too.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401989</id>
	<title>Re:OEM laziness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245514200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or perhaps just installing Fedora 11. It ran nearly perfectly out of the box on an Asus EEE 1000. I would assume the Ubuntu remix is also a strong contender for the market. (I really wish fedora had the remix interface, it looks very cool.)</p><p>The original linux install on the eee 1000 was next to worthless. I think i was more productive with a Commodore 128D running GEOS. (Yeah i really should have picked up an ibm clone instead of the 128D back then.... but it had two separate processors!!!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...one of which i never used).</p><p>Fedora 11 and probably Ubuntu have the necessary level of polish and integration to make a netbook shine in addition they offer a fantastic platform for business users as well. Not sure what Windows offers these days, but i've got the netbook setup with the following:<br>
&nbsp; - Fully encrypted drives (including swap) that are activated during the boot process<br>
&nbsp; - Encrypted usb and sd cards that automatically prompt for the password when inserted that I can use on both my desktop and laptop<br>
&nbsp; - Openoffice (which does a good job these days opening office 2007 files last I checked (yesterday))<br>
&nbsp; - Several types of vpn connections configured (for clients and the office) setup in one location<br>
&nbsp; - A realistic 5.5 hour battery life with wireless and bluetooth running<br>
&nbsp; - A no-hassle Verizon wireless usb internet connection<br>
&nbsp; - A solid voip softphone that integrates with the company pbx<br>
&nbsp; - A decent and reliable (so far) browser - firefox<br>
&nbsp; - Working suspend and hibernate<br>
&nbsp; - Hotkeys working fine</p><p>I think I needed to use the command line to get the suspend and hibernate working (bug suprise there), but I started on F10 and recently upgraded to F11. Everything else was configured or installed via a gui.</p><p>Additionally, I have a remote filesystem that can be mounted from anywhere as long as there is internet access, is flaky connection tolerant and offers a a few hundred gigs of space if needed. Thats a hack I put together to to ensure enough drivespace if needed and is just running the equivalent of a batch script. I'm sure there are better ways out there.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or perhaps just installing Fedora 11 .
It ran nearly perfectly out of the box on an Asus EEE 1000 .
I would assume the Ubuntu remix is also a strong contender for the market .
( I really wish fedora had the remix interface , it looks very cool .
) The original linux install on the eee 1000 was next to worthless .
I think i was more productive with a Commodore 128D running GEOS .
( Yeah i really should have picked up an ibm clone instead of the 128D back then.... but it had two separate processors ! ! !
...one of which i never used ) .Fedora 11 and probably Ubuntu have the necessary level of polish and integration to make a netbook shine in addition they offer a fantastic platform for business users as well .
Not sure what Windows offers these days , but i 've got the netbook setup with the following :   - Fully encrypted drives ( including swap ) that are activated during the boot process   - Encrypted usb and sd cards that automatically prompt for the password when inserted that I can use on both my desktop and laptop   - Openoffice ( which does a good job these days opening office 2007 files last I checked ( yesterday ) )   - Several types of vpn connections configured ( for clients and the office ) setup in one location   - A realistic 5.5 hour battery life with wireless and bluetooth running   - A no-hassle Verizon wireless usb internet connection   - A solid voip softphone that integrates with the company pbx   - A decent and reliable ( so far ) browser - firefox   - Working suspend and hibernate   - Hotkeys working fineI think I needed to use the command line to get the suspend and hibernate working ( bug suprise there ) , but I started on F10 and recently upgraded to F11 .
Everything else was configured or installed via a gui.Additionally , I have a remote filesystem that can be mounted from anywhere as long as there is internet access , is flaky connection tolerant and offers a a few hundred gigs of space if needed .
Thats a hack I put together to to ensure enough drivespace if needed and is just running the equivalent of a batch script .
I 'm sure there are better ways out there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or perhaps just installing Fedora 11.
It ran nearly perfectly out of the box on an Asus EEE 1000.
I would assume the Ubuntu remix is also a strong contender for the market.
(I really wish fedora had the remix interface, it looks very cool.
)The original linux install on the eee 1000 was next to worthless.
I think i was more productive with a Commodore 128D running GEOS.
(Yeah i really should have picked up an ibm clone instead of the 128D back then.... but it had two separate processors!!!
...one of which i never used).Fedora 11 and probably Ubuntu have the necessary level of polish and integration to make a netbook shine in addition they offer a fantastic platform for business users as well.
Not sure what Windows offers these days, but i've got the netbook setup with the following:
  - Fully encrypted drives (including swap) that are activated during the boot process
  - Encrypted usb and sd cards that automatically prompt for the password when inserted that I can use on both my desktop and laptop
  - Openoffice (which does a good job these days opening office 2007 files last I checked (yesterday))
  - Several types of vpn connections configured (for clients and the office) setup in one location
  - A realistic 5.5 hour battery life with wireless and bluetooth running
  - A no-hassle Verizon wireless usb internet connection
  - A solid voip softphone that integrates with the company pbx
  - A decent and reliable (so far) browser - firefox
  - Working suspend and hibernate
  - Hotkeys working fineI think I needed to use the command line to get the suspend and hibernate working (bug suprise there), but I started on F10 and recently upgraded to F11.
Everything else was configured or installed via a gui.Additionally, I have a remote filesystem that can be mounted from anywhere as long as there is internet access, is flaky connection tolerant and offers a a few hundred gigs of space if needed.
Thats a hack I put together to to ensure enough drivespace if needed and is just running the equivalent of a batch script.
I'm sure there are better ways out there.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401487</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28402153</id>
	<title>Microsoft dominates.. too bad.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245515580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If I tell my dad to buy the Linux laptop instead, he will.<br>If Microsoft tells their customers to keep buying Windows, they will.</p><p>Microsoft''s voice is just way to big, that's all. It's called monopoly and it's the weakest aspect of the free market.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If I tell my dad to buy the Linux laptop instead , he will.If Microsoft tells their customers to keep buying Windows , they will.Microsoft ' 's voice is just way to big , that 's all .
It 's called monopoly and it 's the weakest aspect of the free market .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I tell my dad to buy the Linux laptop instead, he will.If Microsoft tells their customers to keep buying Windows, they will.Microsoft''s voice is just way to big, that's all.
It's called monopoly and it's the weakest aspect of the free market.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28402009</id>
	<title>WTF?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245514380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That summary made no sense.  I read it twice and still couldn't figure out what point the author was trying to make so I wasn't even interested in the linked article.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That summary made no sense .
I read it twice and still could n't figure out what point the author was trying to make so I was n't even interested in the linked article .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That summary made no sense.
I read it twice and still couldn't figure out what point the author was trying to make so I wasn't even interested in the linked article.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28406687</id>
	<title>Re:WTF?</title>
	<author>bakes</author>
	<datestamp>1245509520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wouldn't worry, most people usually comment without reading the articles anyway.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I would n't worry , most people usually comment without reading the articles anyway .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wouldn't worry, most people usually comment without reading the articles anyway.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28402009</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401521</id>
	<title>Horses...</title>
	<author>Fuzzums</author>
	<datestamp>1245510180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"If I say my horse is faster than yours, and you says yours is faster, and we let our horses race around the track, that establishes the point. But if you shoot my horse, that leaves questions in the air. Is your horse really faster? If so, why shoot my horse?'</p><p>Because then my living horse is faster than your dead horse, obviously.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" If I say my horse is faster than yours , and you says yours is faster , and we let our horses race around the track , that establishes the point .
But if you shoot my horse , that leaves questions in the air .
Is your horse really faster ?
If so , why shoot my horse ?
'Because then my living horse is faster than your dead horse , obviously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"If I say my horse is faster than yours, and you says yours is faster, and we let our horses race around the track, that establishes the point.
But if you shoot my horse, that leaves questions in the air.
Is your horse really faster?
If so, why shoot my horse?
'Because then my living horse is faster than your dead horse, obviously.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28411425</id>
	<title>Ridiclious</title>
	<author>AbsintheSyringe</author>
	<datestamp>1245605760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What death? What are you all talking about?

There's nothing worse when user comes up to me and asks me is linux (Debian for example) ready for my laptop? Why shouldn't it be ready?

It's actually you who with stories like this one are trying to make things up, I've been using linux on laptops for ~5 years now, first distro I actually used on my laptop ~5 years ago was Slackware. Now if that doesn't pull some "strings" inside of your head I don't know what does.

Stop these absolutely ridiculous stories. Linux is ready for all possible platforms, it's you who's not ready.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What death ?
What are you all talking about ?
There 's nothing worse when user comes up to me and asks me is linux ( Debian for example ) ready for my laptop ?
Why should n't it be ready ?
It 's actually you who with stories like this one are trying to make things up , I 've been using linux on laptops for ~ 5 years now , first distro I actually used on my laptop ~ 5 years ago was Slackware .
Now if that does n't pull some " strings " inside of your head I do n't know what does .
Stop these absolutely ridiculous stories .
Linux is ready for all possible platforms , it 's you who 's not ready .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What death?
What are you all talking about?
There's nothing worse when user comes up to me and asks me is linux (Debian for example) ready for my laptop?
Why shouldn't it be ready?
It's actually you who with stories like this one are trying to make things up, I've been using linux on laptops for ~5 years now, first distro I actually used on my laptop ~5 years ago was Slackware.
Now if that doesn't pull some "strings" inside of your head I don't know what does.
Stop these absolutely ridiculous stories.
Linux is ready for all possible platforms, it's you who's not ready.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401357</id>
	<title>but u r forgetting...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245508800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the terrible pollution from their exhaust;-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the terrible pollution from their exhaust ; - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the terrible pollution from their exhaust;-)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401699</id>
	<title>Linux didn't die on my netbook</title>
	<author>hoarier</author>
	<datestamp>1245511920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm using a Dell Mini 12 with Ubuntu "preinstalled". Nothing dead about it. The right drivers are installed and they are configured right. </p><p>Oh, and I bought a Mac notebook after I bought a Kubuntu floortop, but then I did go back (to Ubuntu). </p><p>If you happen to be in Japan you can buy a Dell netbook like mine <a href="http://www1.jp.dell.com/jp/ja/home/notebooks/laptop-inspiron-12/pd.aspx?refid=laptop-inspiron-12&amp;s=dhs&amp;cs=jpdhs1" title="dell.com" rel="nofollow">here</a> [dell.com]; if you're not in Japan you might find the same thing in some part of dell.com that's in your language.</p><p>What I wonder is why Dell won't (here) sell me any bigger laptop with some alternative to Windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm using a Dell Mini 12 with Ubuntu " preinstalled " .
Nothing dead about it .
The right drivers are installed and they are configured right .
Oh , and I bought a Mac notebook after I bought a Kubuntu floortop , but then I did go back ( to Ubuntu ) .
If you happen to be in Japan you can buy a Dell netbook like mine here [ dell.com ] ; if you 're not in Japan you might find the same thing in some part of dell.com that 's in your language.What I wonder is why Dell wo n't ( here ) sell me any bigger laptop with some alternative to Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm using a Dell Mini 12 with Ubuntu "preinstalled".
Nothing dead about it.
The right drivers are installed and they are configured right.
Oh, and I bought a Mac notebook after I bought a Kubuntu floortop, but then I did go back (to Ubuntu).
If you happen to be in Japan you can buy a Dell netbook like mine here [dell.com]; if you're not in Japan you might find the same thing in some part of dell.com that's in your language.What I wonder is why Dell won't (here) sell me any bigger laptop with some alternative to Windows.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401487</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401287</id>
	<title>Easy picture</title>
	<author>rbanffy</author>
	<datestamp>1245508440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's easy to see Ballmer, gun in hand, claiming "Now, mine is faster".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's easy to see Ballmer , gun in hand , claiming " Now , mine is faster " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's easy to see Ballmer, gun in hand, claiming "Now, mine is faster".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28428281</id>
	<title>Preinstalled XP Cheaper!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245663180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I bought my netbook with Windows XP installed because at Dell it was substantially cheaper than the Ubuntu version after the hardware options were normalized (not to mention that for some "mysterious" reason Dell wouldn't even offer some of the higher capacity memory and SSD options for the Linux version).  After it arrived I installed Ubuntu.  Any marketshare analysis based on the bundled OS is obviously bogus if Microsoft is going to be subsidizing the sale of netbook hardware when bundled with XP.  But of course, that's why Microsoft subsidizes XP on netbooks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I bought my netbook with Windows XP installed because at Dell it was substantially cheaper than the Ubuntu version after the hardware options were normalized ( not to mention that for some " mysterious " reason Dell would n't even offer some of the higher capacity memory and SSD options for the Linux version ) .
After it arrived I installed Ubuntu .
Any marketshare analysis based on the bundled OS is obviously bogus if Microsoft is going to be subsidizing the sale of netbook hardware when bundled with XP .
But of course , that 's why Microsoft subsidizes XP on netbooks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I bought my netbook with Windows XP installed because at Dell it was substantially cheaper than the Ubuntu version after the hardware options were normalized (not to mention that for some "mysterious" reason Dell wouldn't even offer some of the higher capacity memory and SSD options for the Linux version).
After it arrived I installed Ubuntu.
Any marketshare analysis based on the bundled OS is obviously bogus if Microsoft is going to be subsidizing the sale of netbook hardware when bundled with XP.
But of course, that's why Microsoft subsidizes XP on netbooks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28403673</id>
	<title>Re:Linux is inherently anti-consumer, pro-business</title>
	<author>gbarules2999</author>
	<datestamp>1245529020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Insightful? Should be funny.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Insightful ?
Should be funny .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Insightful?
Should be funny.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401755</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28405047</id>
	<title>Re:This is so frustrating</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245498300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>unless joe sixpack wants to play some casual games... and in no uncertain terms will my grandma or joe sixpack give up windows if it means giving up games, even if only casual games.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>unless joe sixpack wants to play some casual games... and in no uncertain terms will my grandma or joe sixpack give up windows if it means giving up games , even if only casual games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>unless joe sixpack wants to play some casual games... and in no uncertain terms will my grandma or joe sixpack give up windows if it means giving up games, even if only casual games.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401269</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401487</id>
	<title>OEM laziness</title>
	<author>javacowboy</author>
	<datestamp>1245510000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I can't remember where I read this, but from what I understand the reason Linux died on the netbook was because the netbook makers didn't bother to install the right drivers for various hardware components and didn't configure them properly.   This resulted in many Linux netbooks getting returned.</p><p>OEMs tend not to want to write their own software or do much configuration.   Their business model has traditionally been to assemble commodity components, load Windows on them, and maybe the odd driver not included in Windows.</p><p>It will take a polished corporate effort such as Moblin or Android to get a non-Windows OS on netbooks.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I ca n't remember where I read this , but from what I understand the reason Linux died on the netbook was because the netbook makers did n't bother to install the right drivers for various hardware components and did n't configure them properly .
This resulted in many Linux netbooks getting returned.OEMs tend not to want to write their own software or do much configuration .
Their business model has traditionally been to assemble commodity components , load Windows on them , and maybe the odd driver not included in Windows.It will take a polished corporate effort such as Moblin or Android to get a non-Windows OS on netbooks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I can't remember where I read this, but from what I understand the reason Linux died on the netbook was because the netbook makers didn't bother to install the right drivers for various hardware components and didn't configure them properly.
This resulted in many Linux netbooks getting returned.OEMs tend not to want to write their own software or do much configuration.
Their business model has traditionally been to assemble commodity components, load Windows on them, and maybe the odd driver not included in Windows.It will take a polished corporate effort such as Moblin or Android to get a non-Windows OS on netbooks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28434401</id>
	<title>You shoot some horse...</title>
	<author>Yfrwlf</author>
	<datestamp>1245689460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...and you won't have time to ask questions or debate, you'll be in jail.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and you wo n't have time to ask questions or debate , you 'll be in jail .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and you won't have time to ask questions or debate, you'll be in jail.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28403257</id>
	<title>be very afraid</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245525600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they said they're afraid of Microsoft, despite thousands of years of Chinese martial arts history, then be very afraid.<br>Hmm, one of the guys in the pic looks awefully like Chuck Norris with a black wig...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they said they 're afraid of Microsoft , despite thousands of years of Chinese martial arts history , then be very afraid.Hmm , one of the guys in the pic looks awefully like Chuck Norris with a black wig.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they said they're afraid of Microsoft, despite thousands of years of Chinese martial arts history, then be very afraid.Hmm, one of the guys in the pic looks awefully like Chuck Norris with a black wig...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28405537</id>
	<title>Scared or not scared</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245501120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The only ones that dont need to be scared of Microsoft are the new players like System76, Zareason.. and Qualcomm to some extend. The others are tied up by MS, even though Dell is being tough by slowly pushing Ubuntu forward. Basically, when you will really see Linux powered computers around, it will be new brand names and not old ones.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only ones that dont need to be scared of Microsoft are the new players like System76 , Zareason.. and Qualcomm to some extend .
The others are tied up by MS , even though Dell is being tough by slowly pushing Ubuntu forward .
Basically , when you will really see Linux powered computers around , it will be new brand names and not old ones .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The only ones that dont need to be scared of Microsoft are the new players like System76, Zareason.. and Qualcomm to some extend.
The others are tied up by MS, even though Dell is being tough by slowly pushing Ubuntu forward.
Basically, when you will really see Linux powered computers around, it will be new brand names and not old ones.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401477</id>
	<title>Re:This is so frustrating</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245510000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So long as all you want to do is use what's already been set up for you, in a stock configuration.  Want to plug in an extra monitor?  Well, that's kind of tricky....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So long as all you want to do is use what 's already been set up for you , in a stock configuration .
Want to plug in an extra monitor ?
Well , that 's kind of tricky... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So long as all you want to do is use what's already been set up for you, in a stock configuration.
Want to plug in an extra monitor?
Well, that's kind of tricky....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401269</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28402697</id>
	<title>PJ, it's their company</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245521100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you don't like what they're doing with it, then go elsewhere.</p><p>Rather like your position on Apple's MacOS X fight against Pystar using DMCA and one-sided and unconscionable EULA binding.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you do n't like what they 're doing with it , then go elsewhere.Rather like your position on Apple 's MacOS X fight against Pystar using DMCA and one-sided and unconscionable EULA binding .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you don't like what they're doing with it, then go elsewhere.Rather like your position on Apple's MacOS X fight against Pystar using DMCA and one-sided and unconscionable EULA binding.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28403741</id>
	<title>Two big problems with this "smoking gun"</title>
	<author>harlows\_monkeys</author>
	<datestamp>1245529680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Couple of problems here</p><ul>
<li>Whenever Linux and Windows netbooks were made equally available to the public, the public has mostly chosen Windows. For example, Linux and Windows netbooks were (and still are) readily available from Amazon, and Windows, and if you check the top sellers, Windows dominates.</li><li>The quote doesn't say anything about Microsoft pressuring anybody. As one of the commentators on Groklaw pointed out, is can quite reasonably be read as simply saying it is hard to be different from the vast majority, and so its better to start off in a market where there is more diversity, like PDAs and smartphonest.</li></ul><p>Another Groklaw commentator pointed out that: (1) people are familiar with Windows which makes them tend to choose it. (2) multiple distributions confuses ordinary computer users (there was no de facto standard distribution for netbooks). (A good fraction of the Linux users who purchase Linux netbooks through out the distribution that came on their netbook and install one of the more mainstream distributions). (3) There are still ease of use problems.</p><p>PJs response was interesting. She accused the commentator of working for Microsoft, told him he needs to update his FUD because "Linux is way easier to use now than Microsoft stuff. No comparison", and tossed off a circular argument ("If they were as difficult as you pretend, why kill it?").</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Couple of problems here Whenever Linux and Windows netbooks were made equally available to the public , the public has mostly chosen Windows .
For example , Linux and Windows netbooks were ( and still are ) readily available from Amazon , and Windows , and if you check the top sellers , Windows dominates.The quote does n't say anything about Microsoft pressuring anybody .
As one of the commentators on Groklaw pointed out , is can quite reasonably be read as simply saying it is hard to be different from the vast majority , and so its better to start off in a market where there is more diversity , like PDAs and smartphonest.Another Groklaw commentator pointed out that : ( 1 ) people are familiar with Windows which makes them tend to choose it .
( 2 ) multiple distributions confuses ordinary computer users ( there was no de facto standard distribution for netbooks ) .
( A good fraction of the Linux users who purchase Linux netbooks through out the distribution that came on their netbook and install one of the more mainstream distributions ) .
( 3 ) There are still ease of use problems.PJs response was interesting .
She accused the commentator of working for Microsoft , told him he needs to update his FUD because " Linux is way easier to use now than Microsoft stuff .
No comparison " , and tossed off a circular argument ( " If they were as difficult as you pretend , why kill it ?
" ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Couple of problems here
Whenever Linux and Windows netbooks were made equally available to the public, the public has mostly chosen Windows.
For example, Linux and Windows netbooks were (and still are) readily available from Amazon, and Windows, and if you check the top sellers, Windows dominates.The quote doesn't say anything about Microsoft pressuring anybody.
As one of the commentators on Groklaw pointed out, is can quite reasonably be read as simply saying it is hard to be different from the vast majority, and so its better to start off in a market where there is more diversity, like PDAs and smartphonest.Another Groklaw commentator pointed out that: (1) people are familiar with Windows which makes them tend to choose it.
(2) multiple distributions confuses ordinary computer users (there was no de facto standard distribution for netbooks).
(A good fraction of the Linux users who purchase Linux netbooks through out the distribution that came on their netbook and install one of the more mainstream distributions).
(3) There are still ease of use problems.PJs response was interesting.
She accused the commentator of working for Microsoft, told him he needs to update his FUD because "Linux is way easier to use now than Microsoft stuff.
No comparison", and tossed off a circular argument ("If they were as difficult as you pretend, why kill it?
").
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28403215</id>
	<title>Re:Don't forget Intel</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245525300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Intel is every bit as bad in the Netbook space as Microsoft.  Don't forget all of their marketing BS about how Netbooks can't do this and Netbooks can't do that.  NVIDIA comes along solves big chunks of the performance and multimedia problems with the Ion chipset but I suspect due to Intel licensing restrictions bundling the Atom processor with the chipset (ala Centrino + chipset bundling) you'll probably never see one in the sub-12" space, and only very few in the 12"+ space.  Haven't you noticed that the only real "hardware" difference in these things is the case they come in?  All of the hardware specs in them are all but identical which should make creating a Linux distro a breeze if that's what consumers actually wanted.</p><p>I suspect this is also the reason why Apple has stated they would build one if they could make one that didn't suck.  I suspect the suck part is largely due to Intel's bundling considering they don't use sucky Intel chipsets in their notebook or iMac product lineups.  If Apple can't even break the Wintel dominance in this space, what chance do you honestly think Linux has?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Intel is every bit as bad in the Netbook space as Microsoft .
Do n't forget all of their marketing BS about how Netbooks ca n't do this and Netbooks ca n't do that .
NVIDIA comes along solves big chunks of the performance and multimedia problems with the Ion chipset but I suspect due to Intel licensing restrictions bundling the Atom processor with the chipset ( ala Centrino + chipset bundling ) you 'll probably never see one in the sub-12 " space , and only very few in the 12 " + space .
Have n't you noticed that the only real " hardware " difference in these things is the case they come in ?
All of the hardware specs in them are all but identical which should make creating a Linux distro a breeze if that 's what consumers actually wanted.I suspect this is also the reason why Apple has stated they would build one if they could make one that did n't suck .
I suspect the suck part is largely due to Intel 's bundling considering they do n't use sucky Intel chipsets in their notebook or iMac product lineups .
If Apple ca n't even break the Wintel dominance in this space , what chance do you honestly think Linux has ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Intel is every bit as bad in the Netbook space as Microsoft.
Don't forget all of their marketing BS about how Netbooks can't do this and Netbooks can't do that.
NVIDIA comes along solves big chunks of the performance and multimedia problems with the Ion chipset but I suspect due to Intel licensing restrictions bundling the Atom processor with the chipset (ala Centrino + chipset bundling) you'll probably never see one in the sub-12" space, and only very few in the 12"+ space.
Haven't you noticed that the only real "hardware" difference in these things is the case they come in?
All of the hardware specs in them are all but identical which should make creating a Linux distro a breeze if that's what consumers actually wanted.I suspect this is also the reason why Apple has stated they would build one if they could make one that didn't suck.
I suspect the suck part is largely due to Intel's bundling considering they don't use sucky Intel chipsets in their notebook or iMac product lineups.
If Apple can't even break the Wintel dominance in this space, what chance do you honestly think Linux has?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28404385</id>
	<title>Re:This is so frustrating</title>
	<author>FaxeTheCat</author>
	<datestamp>1245492960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Linux may well be ready for Joe Average, but apparently nobody could be bothered to tell him about it, and Joe could not care less, because he sees lots of advertising for Windows and thinks it looks quite OK.<br>
Microsoft are not underminig the market. The ARE the market. Until the linux community or distributors or whatever they are put together a fair amount of money and do some advertising, the playing field is Microsoft and Microsoft only.<br>
It is not the PC manufacturers job to sell software. It is the software suppliers job. I have not seen one ad for a Linux based product in mainstream media. I have seen lots from Microsoft and Apple. <br>
It is about time the Linux community stop whining and start to come up with a strategy to make consumers aware of Linux. This will not happen by waiting for PC manufactureres to somehow create a level playing field. The only way to win it is to go for the consumers. Apple does. They are doing fine, as far as I can see...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux may well be ready for Joe Average , but apparently nobody could be bothered to tell him about it , and Joe could not care less , because he sees lots of advertising for Windows and thinks it looks quite OK . Microsoft are not underminig the market .
The ARE the market .
Until the linux community or distributors or whatever they are put together a fair amount of money and do some advertising , the playing field is Microsoft and Microsoft only .
It is not the PC manufacturers job to sell software .
It is the software suppliers job .
I have not seen one ad for a Linux based product in mainstream media .
I have seen lots from Microsoft and Apple .
It is about time the Linux community stop whining and start to come up with a strategy to make consumers aware of Linux .
This will not happen by waiting for PC manufactureres to somehow create a level playing field .
The only way to win it is to go for the consumers .
Apple does .
They are doing fine , as far as I can see.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux may well be ready for Joe Average, but apparently nobody could be bothered to tell him about it, and Joe could not care less, because he sees lots of advertising for Windows and thinks it looks quite OK.
Microsoft are not underminig the market.
The ARE the market.
Until the linux community or distributors or whatever they are put together a fair amount of money and do some advertising, the playing field is Microsoft and Microsoft only.
It is not the PC manufacturers job to sell software.
It is the software suppliers job.
I have not seen one ad for a Linux based product in mainstream media.
I have seen lots from Microsoft and Apple.
It is about time the Linux community stop whining and start to come up with a strategy to make consumers aware of Linux.
This will not happen by waiting for PC manufactureres to somehow create a level playing field.
The only way to win it is to go for the consumers.
Apple does.
They are doing fine, as far as I can see...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401941</id>
	<title>Re:The real reasons</title>
	<author>jbolden</author>
	<datestamp>1245513840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Agreed, though actually there are rumors they subsidized the hardware.</p><p>I'd also add:<br>3)  They didn't truly customize the netbooks.  They shouldn't have had an OS but rather there should have been end user images you just select and installed via. the web.<br>-- college student (non engineering)<br>-- college student (engineering)<br>-- professional commuter<br>-- middle/high school student<br>-- IT professional<br>etc...</p><p>Take advantage of Linux's strengths.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Agreed , though actually there are rumors they subsidized the hardware.I 'd also add : 3 ) They did n't truly customize the netbooks .
They should n't have had an OS but rather there should have been end user images you just select and installed via .
the web.-- college student ( non engineering ) -- college student ( engineering ) -- professional commuter-- middle/high school student-- IT professionaletc...Take advantage of Linux 's strengths .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Agreed, though actually there are rumors they subsidized the hardware.I'd also add:3)  They didn't truly customize the netbooks.
They shouldn't have had an OS but rather there should have been end user images you just select and installed via.
the web.-- college student (non engineering)-- college student (engineering)-- professional commuter-- middle/high school student-- IT professionaletc...Take advantage of Linux's strengths.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28403813</id>
	<title>Re:Cunning Plan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245530580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>What these companies need to to is to club together to form a new "independent" company that makes netbooks. This company would only sell non-Microsoft netbooks (whether that was Linux or some other new-fangled OS) and thus be immune to Microsoft's mafia tactics.</p><p>No turnips required.</p></div><p>And which kinds of users would be in the target market of these "Non-microsoft netbooks"?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>What these companies need to to is to club together to form a new " independent " company that makes netbooks .
This company would only sell non-Microsoft netbooks ( whether that was Linux or some other new-fangled OS ) and thus be immune to Microsoft 's mafia tactics.No turnips required.And which kinds of users would be in the target market of these " Non-microsoft netbooks " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What these companies need to to is to club together to form a new "independent" company that makes netbooks.
This company would only sell non-Microsoft netbooks (whether that was Linux or some other new-fangled OS) and thus be immune to Microsoft's mafia tactics.No turnips required.And which kinds of users would be in the target market of these "Non-microsoft netbooks"?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28403681</id>
	<title>Re:There's a reason Linux went the way of the Tuck</title>
	<author>gbarules2999</author>
	<datestamp>1245529080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>They already know how to use windows, and learning how to use Linux would take time away from them doing other things.</p></div><p>Fifteen whole minutes sure is a lot of time. Wowee.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>They already know how to use windows , and learning how to use Linux would take time away from them doing other things.Fifteen whole minutes sure is a lot of time .
Wowee .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They already know how to use windows, and learning how to use Linux would take time away from them doing other things.Fifteen whole minutes sure is a lot of time.
Wowee.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28402291</id>
	<title>I like my Eeepc 701, but...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245516660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like my Eeepc 701, and well deserves 50\% credit for the fact that linux soon thereafter became my primary OS at home and work for the first time since college, but... frequently resorting to things like typing "sudo echo 0 &gt;<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/proc/acpi/asus/cardrdr" and then its opposite is fine for me (glad it's that easy to work around  a problem), but not really going to fly with most users.</p><p>I'm actually impressed how much that little machine just worked... it did a lot to convince me that linux on the desktop is viable.  But they've got to get those remaining rough edges fixed, and track ongoing changes - for example, had to replace flash player once when facebook changed things, and now it looks like I'm going to have to find a way to hack flash player 10 onto there because facebook changed yet again.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like my Eeepc 701 , and well deserves 50 \ % credit for the fact that linux soon thereafter became my primary OS at home and work for the first time since college , but... frequently resorting to things like typing " sudo echo 0 &gt; /proc/acpi/asus/cardrdr " and then its opposite is fine for me ( glad it 's that easy to work around a problem ) , but not really going to fly with most users.I 'm actually impressed how much that little machine just worked... it did a lot to convince me that linux on the desktop is viable .
But they 've got to get those remaining rough edges fixed , and track ongoing changes - for example , had to replace flash player once when facebook changed things , and now it looks like I 'm going to have to find a way to hack flash player 10 onto there because facebook changed yet again .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like my Eeepc 701, and well deserves 50\% credit for the fact that linux soon thereafter became my primary OS at home and work for the first time since college, but... frequently resorting to things like typing "sudo echo 0 &gt; /proc/acpi/asus/cardrdr" and then its opposite is fine for me (glad it's that easy to work around  a problem), but not really going to fly with most users.I'm actually impressed how much that little machine just worked... it did a lot to convince me that linux on the desktop is viable.
But they've got to get those remaining rough edges fixed, and track ongoing changes - for example, had to replace flash player once when facebook changed things, and now it looks like I'm going to have to find a way to hack flash player 10 onto there because facebook changed yet again.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28472211</id>
	<title>Speed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245923880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speed issue for me.  Windows is so much quicker booting up than Linux on the netbook.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speed issue for me .
Windows is so much quicker booting up than Linux on the netbook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speed issue for me.
Windows is so much quicker booting up than Linux on the netbook.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28402663</id>
	<title>Re:The real reasons</title>
	<author>bcrowell</author>
	<datestamp>1245520680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Second, even the better manufacturers put a barely usable Linux on the netbooks that wouldn't allow you to install any software without using the command line, broke the wireless when you installed software updates, etc.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
Yep. I bought a eeePC, and the wireless didn't work. Called Asus tech support, and they told me that it had the wrong card installed, and they didn't have a linux driver for that card. My only option was to return it.
</p><p>
To be fair, there are also some other factors that worked against them. It's a low-margin product, so they can't afford to put too much money into producing a beautifully integrated system. The language barrier contributes to the lack of documentation. If you look at the reviews on amazon, it seems that a lot of doofuses bought a eeePC with linux on it, then tried to install windows, and failed.
</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Second , even the better manufacturers put a barely usable Linux on the netbooks that would n't allow you to install any software without using the command line , broke the wireless when you installed software updates , etc .
Yep. I bought a eeePC , and the wireless did n't work .
Called Asus tech support , and they told me that it had the wrong card installed , and they did n't have a linux driver for that card .
My only option was to return it .
To be fair , there are also some other factors that worked against them .
It 's a low-margin product , so they ca n't afford to put too much money into producing a beautifully integrated system .
The language barrier contributes to the lack of documentation .
If you look at the reviews on amazon , it seems that a lot of doofuses bought a eeePC with linux on it , then tried to install windows , and failed .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Second, even the better manufacturers put a barely usable Linux on the netbooks that wouldn't allow you to install any software without using the command line, broke the wireless when you installed software updates, etc.
Yep. I bought a eeePC, and the wireless didn't work.
Called Asus tech support, and they told me that it had the wrong card installed, and they didn't have a linux driver for that card.
My only option was to return it.
To be fair, there are also some other factors that worked against them.
It's a low-margin product, so they can't afford to put too much money into producing a beautifully integrated system.
The language barrier contributes to the lack of documentation.
If you look at the reviews on amazon, it seems that a lot of doofuses bought a eeePC with linux on it, then tried to install windows, and failed.

	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401285</id>
	<title>Look, over there on the grassy knoll !!!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245508380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's... it's...it's Bill Gates !!  He killed Linux !!  You bastard !!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's... it 's...it 's Bill Gates ! !
He killed Linux ! !
You bastard !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's... it's...it's Bill Gates !!
He killed Linux !!
You bastard !
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28407337</id>
	<title>Re:Cunning Plan</title>
	<author>rdnetto</author>
	<datestamp>1245516120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good luck making a profit on that - 99\% (I'm totalling making this no. up, but you get the point) of people don't even know what Linux is. Generally you increase the size of your target market if you want to make a profit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good luck making a profit on that - 99 \ % ( I 'm totalling making this no .
up , but you get the point ) of people do n't even know what Linux is .
Generally you increase the size of your target market if you want to make a profit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good luck making a profit on that - 99\% (I'm totalling making this no.
up, but you get the point) of people don't even know what Linux is.
Generally you increase the size of your target market if you want to make a profit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401949</id>
	<title>Origins</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1245513900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The first "netbook" that started all the craze was the XO... everyone wanted one, even paying twice, donating one to schools to get one of those. And run Linux. The first next ones (asus, msi, etc) consolidated the trend, and run linux too. Till last year, most if not all netbooks had Linux as alternate (if not main) OS. And a bunch of distros/interfaces of linux specialised in netbooks started to show up (eeebuntu and similar, ubuntu netbook remix, moblin, android, etc)

</p><p>Then the campaing started. Microsoft using a chainsaw to manage to show XP in an XO. Then saying that Linux netbook returns were 4 times higher than Windows ones (at least what an <a href="http://ostatic.com/173640-blog/linux-netbook-returns-not-surprising-but-likely-avoidable" title="ostatic.com">msi exec said</a> [ostatic.com], an asus one <a href="http://ostatic.com/blog/asus-ceo-says-linux-netbook-returns-on-par-with-windows" title="ostatic.com">denied that</a> [ostatic.com]). Some vendors giving lesser options/specs for Linux netbooks than for Windows ones. And linux offers and showings in netbooks starting to fade

</p><p>The next incoming market for Linux in small pcs are arm based net/smart books. Started with linux in general, then Android, but recently started a push to say that the right OS for that platform is another Microsoft one, <a href="http://www.osnews.com/story/21697" title="osnews.com">Windows CE</a> [osnews.com].

</p><p>Clearly this is not a smoking gun... the room of Neo's "guns, lots of guns" is tiny compared with the amount of weapons Microsoft is using in all fronts to try to stop the flood. Will it succeed? I only hope that not.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The first " netbook " that started all the craze was the XO... everyone wanted one , even paying twice , donating one to schools to get one of those .
And run Linux .
The first next ones ( asus , msi , etc ) consolidated the trend , and run linux too .
Till last year , most if not all netbooks had Linux as alternate ( if not main ) OS .
And a bunch of distros/interfaces of linux specialised in netbooks started to show up ( eeebuntu and similar , ubuntu netbook remix , moblin , android , etc ) Then the campaing started .
Microsoft using a chainsaw to manage to show XP in an XO .
Then saying that Linux netbook returns were 4 times higher than Windows ones ( at least what an msi exec said [ ostatic.com ] , an asus one denied that [ ostatic.com ] ) .
Some vendors giving lesser options/specs for Linux netbooks than for Windows ones .
And linux offers and showings in netbooks starting to fade The next incoming market for Linux in small pcs are arm based net/smart books .
Started with linux in general , then Android , but recently started a push to say that the right OS for that platform is another Microsoft one , Windows CE [ osnews.com ] .
Clearly this is not a smoking gun... the room of Neo 's " guns , lots of guns " is tiny compared with the amount of weapons Microsoft is using in all fronts to try to stop the flood .
Will it succeed ?
I only hope that not .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The first "netbook" that started all the craze was the XO... everyone wanted one, even paying twice, donating one to schools to get one of those.
And run Linux.
The first next ones (asus, msi, etc) consolidated the trend, and run linux too.
Till last year, most if not all netbooks had Linux as alternate (if not main) OS.
And a bunch of distros/interfaces of linux specialised in netbooks started to show up (eeebuntu and similar, ubuntu netbook remix, moblin, android, etc)

Then the campaing started.
Microsoft using a chainsaw to manage to show XP in an XO.
Then saying that Linux netbook returns were 4 times higher than Windows ones (at least what an msi exec said [ostatic.com], an asus one denied that [ostatic.com]).
Some vendors giving lesser options/specs for Linux netbooks than for Windows ones.
And linux offers and showings in netbooks starting to fade

The next incoming market for Linux in small pcs are arm based net/smart books.
Started with linux in general, then Android, but recently started a push to say that the right OS for that platform is another Microsoft one, Windows CE [osnews.com].
Clearly this is not a smoking gun... the room of Neo's "guns, lots of guns" is tiny compared with the amount of weapons Microsoft is using in all fronts to try to stop the flood.
Will it succeed?
I only hope that not.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401403</id>
	<title>I prefer Windows on my netbook.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245509280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I get more battery life with Windows.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I get more battery life with Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I get more battery life with Windows.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28405953</id>
	<title>I shot your horse biotch!</title>
	<author>masmullin</author>
	<datestamp>1245503700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>&lt;quote&gt;But if you shoot my horse, that leaves questions in the air. Is your horse really faster?&lt;/quote&gt;<br><br>No it doesn't... my horse is clearly faster than your horse now.  Your horse can't move.</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>But if you shoot my horse , that leaves questions in the air .
Is your horse really faster ? No it does n't... my horse is clearly faster than your horse now .
Your horse ca n't move .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But if you shoot my horse, that leaves questions in the air.
Is your horse really faster?No it doesn't... my horse is clearly faster than your horse now.
Your horse can't move.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401847</id>
	<title>Re:Smoking Gun? Hardly</title>
	<author>tonycheese</author>
	<datestamp>1245513060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Where in the article is there "a lot more to it"? I'm glad three people modded you up without reading the article themselves.<br>The article doesn't even make sense. Asus said the Android isn't ready yet (the same thing Nvidia said), then apologized that a different booth had put up one of their PC's with Android. If you're not ready to roll out Android on your PC, of course you don't want rumors stemming from a PC someone threw together.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Where in the article is there " a lot more to it " ?
I 'm glad three people modded you up without reading the article themselves.The article does n't even make sense .
Asus said the Android is n't ready yet ( the same thing Nvidia said ) , then apologized that a different booth had put up one of their PC 's with Android .
If you 're not ready to roll out Android on your PC , of course you do n't want rumors stemming from a PC someone threw together .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Where in the article is there "a lot more to it"?
I'm glad three people modded you up without reading the article themselves.The article doesn't even make sense.
Asus said the Android isn't ready yet (the same thing Nvidia said), then apologized that a different booth had put up one of their PC's with Android.
If you're not ready to roll out Android on your PC, of course you don't want rumors stemming from a PC someone threw together.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401341</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28402057</id>
	<title>Real Reason Linux On Netbook Died</title>
	<author>chris7crows</author>
	<datestamp>1245514740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>When netbooks were initially released, they were perceived to be a niche/hobbyist market, so putting Linux on a netbook made sense from both a fiscal and a market standpoint.

</p><p>Microsoft realized that they were on the verge of losing out on a potentially lucrative market, so they quickly reversed course on sunsetting Windows XP, and under some very netbook-specific licensing conditions, made it available to manufacturers for cheap.

</p><p>When the average user was presented with the choice of Linux -- a "new" OS to many people -- versus familiar XP which works exactly like their sons/daughters/job had trained them to use, and which runs all of their favorite apps, then it became pretty obvious which way the wind was going to blow.

</p><p>I'm not saying that Linux shouldn't be an option -- I'm all for more choices in the market -- but there's really no conspiracy here, and no smoking gun.

</p><p>(And yes, I know that you taught your great-great-grandmother to use Ubuntu in five minutes with no manual, and Wine sort-of runs most Windows apps with only some slowdown or glitches, and monkeying with your printer drivers for an hour is something everyone enjoys, etc.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>When netbooks were initially released , they were perceived to be a niche/hobbyist market , so putting Linux on a netbook made sense from both a fiscal and a market standpoint .
Microsoft realized that they were on the verge of losing out on a potentially lucrative market , so they quickly reversed course on sunsetting Windows XP , and under some very netbook-specific licensing conditions , made it available to manufacturers for cheap .
When the average user was presented with the choice of Linux -- a " new " OS to many people -- versus familiar XP which works exactly like their sons/daughters/job had trained them to use , and which runs all of their favorite apps , then it became pretty obvious which way the wind was going to blow .
I 'm not saying that Linux should n't be an option -- I 'm all for more choices in the market -- but there 's really no conspiracy here , and no smoking gun .
( And yes , I know that you taught your great-great-grandmother to use Ubuntu in five minutes with no manual , and Wine sort-of runs most Windows apps with only some slowdown or glitches , and monkeying with your printer drivers for an hour is something everyone enjoys , etc .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When netbooks were initially released, they were perceived to be a niche/hobbyist market, so putting Linux on a netbook made sense from both a fiscal and a market standpoint.
Microsoft realized that they were on the verge of losing out on a potentially lucrative market, so they quickly reversed course on sunsetting Windows XP, and under some very netbook-specific licensing conditions, made it available to manufacturers for cheap.
When the average user was presented with the choice of Linux -- a "new" OS to many people -- versus familiar XP which works exactly like their sons/daughters/job had trained them to use, and which runs all of their favorite apps, then it became pretty obvious which way the wind was going to blow.
I'm not saying that Linux shouldn't be an option -- I'm all for more choices in the market -- but there's really no conspiracy here, and no smoking gun.
(And yes, I know that you taught your great-great-grandmother to use Ubuntu in five minutes with no manual, and Wine sort-of runs most Windows apps with only some slowdown or glitches, and monkeying with your printer drivers for an hour is something everyone enjoys, etc.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28402579</id>
	<title>Android is what?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245520080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>during a presentation at the Google IO conference, Google engineer Patrick Brady stated unambiguously that Android is not Linux.</p></div><p> <i> <a href="http://arstechnica.com/open-source/reviews/2009/02/an-introduction-to-google-android-for-developers.ars" title="arstechnica.com" rel="nofollow">via</a> [arstechnica.com] </i></p><p>Android is not even a full-fledged OS. It's more like a glorified browser with interfaces to Google web services. Probably fine for phones if you're OK with handing over all your data, not made for multipurpose computers.</p><p>I would love to see more subnotebooks with a free OS, but Android is a strawman here. I don't dispute that Linux distros (and of course Windows) could learn a lot from Android's UI. But it's not a competitor if you want more than a web browsing device.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>during a presentation at the Google IO conference , Google engineer Patrick Brady stated unambiguously that Android is not Linux .
via [ arstechnica.com ] Android is not even a full-fledged OS .
It 's more like a glorified browser with interfaces to Google web services .
Probably fine for phones if you 're OK with handing over all your data , not made for multipurpose computers.I would love to see more subnotebooks with a free OS , but Android is a strawman here .
I do n't dispute that Linux distros ( and of course Windows ) could learn a lot from Android 's UI .
But it 's not a competitor if you want more than a web browsing device .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>during a presentation at the Google IO conference, Google engineer Patrick Brady stated unambiguously that Android is not Linux.
via [arstechnica.com] Android is not even a full-fledged OS.
It's more like a glorified browser with interfaces to Google web services.
Probably fine for phones if you're OK with handing over all your data, not made for multipurpose computers.I would love to see more subnotebooks with a free OS, but Android is a strawman here.
I don't dispute that Linux distros (and of course Windows) could learn a lot from Android's UI.
But it's not a competitor if you want more than a web browsing device.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28410811</id>
	<title>pochp.wordpress</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245600360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Excellent satire. Bravo.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Excellent satire .
Bravo .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Excellent satire.
Bravo.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401279</id>
	<title>Horse analogies are making a comeback!</title>
	<author>selven</author>
	<datestamp>1245508320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Good for the horse analogy union that they seem to be making a comeback against car analogies. Horse analogies were always superior to car analogies - they are more maneuvrable, can use almost anything in nature for fuel (car analogies only compatible with Octane Troll and Flamebait) and they don't need a bailout.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Good for the horse analogy union that they seem to be making a comeback against car analogies .
Horse analogies were always superior to car analogies - they are more maneuvrable , can use almost anything in nature for fuel ( car analogies only compatible with Octane Troll and Flamebait ) and they do n't need a bailout .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Good for the horse analogy union that they seem to be making a comeback against car analogies.
Horse analogies were always superior to car analogies - they are more maneuvrable, can use almost anything in nature for fuel (car analogies only compatible with Octane Troll and Flamebait) and they don't need a bailout.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28404301</id>
	<title>More like...</title>
	<author>BradHAWK</author>
	<datestamp>1245492300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Halfway around the track, the MicroSoft jockey pulls out a gun and shoots at the Linux horse, but misses. The MicroSoft horse then trips over itself and collapses on the track as the Linux horse breezes past the finish line. The newly endowed and/or cowed judge declares the MicroSoft horse the winner.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Halfway around the track , the MicroSoft jockey pulls out a gun and shoots at the Linux horse , but misses .
The MicroSoft horse then trips over itself and collapses on the track as the Linux horse breezes past the finish line .
The newly endowed and/or cowed judge declares the MicroSoft horse the winner .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Halfway around the track, the MicroSoft jockey pulls out a gun and shoots at the Linux horse, but misses.
The MicroSoft horse then trips over itself and collapses on the track as the Linux horse breezes past the finish line.
The newly endowed and/or cowed judge declares the MicroSoft horse the winner.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401659</id>
	<title>Fear Will Keep Them in Check</title>
	<author>Looshi</author>
	<datestamp>1245511620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Steve: The regional governors now have direct control over their territories. Fear will keep the local OEM's in line. Fear of this operating system.<br>Linus: Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed; the ability to destroy a small OEM is insignificant next to the power of the open source.<br>Bill: Don't try to frighten us with your sorceress's ways Lord Linus. Your sad devotion to the ANCIENT RELIGION does not help you conjure up the stolen datatapes..or given you the clairvoyance to find the rebels hidden fortress...*choked*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Steve : The regional governors now have direct control over their territories .
Fear will keep the local OEM 's in line .
Fear of this operating system.Linus : Do n't be too proud of this technological terror you 've constructed ; the ability to destroy a small OEM is insignificant next to the power of the open source.Bill : Do n't try to frighten us with your sorceress 's ways Lord Linus .
Your sad devotion to the ANCIENT RELIGION does not help you conjure up the stolen datatapes..or given you the clairvoyance to find the rebels hidden fortress... * choked *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Steve: The regional governors now have direct control over their territories.
Fear will keep the local OEM's in line.
Fear of this operating system.Linus: Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed; the ability to destroy a small OEM is insignificant next to the power of the open source.Bill: Don't try to frighten us with your sorceress's ways Lord Linus.
Your sad devotion to the ANCIENT RELIGION does not help you conjure up the stolen datatapes..or given you the clairvoyance to find the rebels hidden fortress...*choked*</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401425</id>
	<title>The real reasons</title>
	<author>asavage</author>
	<datestamp>1245509460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>There are two reasons why it is hard to get a linux netbook these days.  First, Microsoft panicked and started letting the netbook manufacturers put windows on for next to nothing.  Second, even the better manufacturers put a barely usable Linux on the netbooks that wouldn't allow you to install any software without using the command line, broke the wireless when you installed software updates, etc.  Some of the manufacturers didn't even include working webcam drivers on their Linux netbooks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>There are two reasons why it is hard to get a linux netbook these days .
First , Microsoft panicked and started letting the netbook manufacturers put windows on for next to nothing .
Second , even the better manufacturers put a barely usable Linux on the netbooks that would n't allow you to install any software without using the command line , broke the wireless when you installed software updates , etc .
Some of the manufacturers did n't even include working webcam drivers on their Linux netbooks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There are two reasons why it is hard to get a linux netbook these days.
First, Microsoft panicked and started letting the netbook manufacturers put windows on for next to nothing.
Second, even the better manufacturers put a barely usable Linux on the netbooks that wouldn't allow you to install any software without using the command line, broke the wireless when you installed software updates, etc.
Some of the manufacturers didn't even include working webcam drivers on their Linux netbooks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28431407</id>
	<title>Horses</title>
	<author>DragonWriter</author>
	<datestamp>1245674100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>If I say my horse is faster than yours, and you says yours is faster, and we let our horses race around the track, that establishes the point. But if you shoot my horse, that leaves questions in the air. Is your horse really faster?</p></div> </blockquote><p>Yes, it is. Even if it wasn't previously.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I say my horse is faster than yours , and you says yours is faster , and we let our horses race around the track , that establishes the point .
But if you shoot my horse , that leaves questions in the air .
Is your horse really faster ?
Yes , it is .
Even if it was n't previously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I say my horse is faster than yours, and you says yours is faster, and we let our horses race around the track, that establishes the point.
But if you shoot my horse, that leaves questions in the air.
Is your horse really faster?
Yes, it is.
Even if it wasn't previously.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401493</id>
	<title>Taiwan ? wrong target Msoft</title>
	<author>itsthebin</author>
	<datestamp>1245510060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>the Chinese are already taking the chips and panels from Taiwan and assembling devices
<br>
<br>
 ballmer can throw as many chairs at the Taiwanese horses as he desires - the Chinese won't care</htmltext>
<tokenext>the Chinese are already taking the chips and panels from Taiwan and assembling devices ballmer can throw as many chairs at the Taiwanese horses as he desires - the Chinese wo n't care</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the Chinese are already taking the chips and panels from Taiwan and assembling devices


 ballmer can throw as many chairs at the Taiwanese horses as he desires - the Chinese won't care</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28406171</id>
	<title>Re:Cunning Plan</title>
	<author>ploss</author>
	<datestamp>1245505260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Which will be the ARM-based netbooks/laptops, just around the corner. Think about it: ARM offers power \_and\_ great battery life \_and\_ a super cheap price. What's not to like for the general consumer?</p><p>But Microsoft can't compete here with XP, Vista, or 7 - as all the applications that tie people to Windows currently are compiled for x86! Even if they did release an OS for ARM, they'd have to differentiate it enough so the general consumer could understand why they can't install Spore or TurboTax or whatever on their shiny new Windows laptop. More than likely they'd end up releasing some rushed version of Windows CE.</p><p>Now compare that with Ubuntu, for example, which has a fully-supported ARM distribution, and works extremely well on low-powered netbooks (the netbook distro is a bit of a work-in-progress, but using the regular desktop version is solid.) It would be pretty hilarious to see Microsoft trying to force a netbook WinCE instead down manufacturer's throats, unless they spent a lot of time to polish it, which they don't have.</p><p>Hopefully this will be the final tipping point in realizing that the general consumer doesn't need to pay Microsoft to have a usable computer. Again, no turnips, and as a plus computing as a whole moves forward!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Which will be the ARM-based netbooks/laptops , just around the corner .
Think about it : ARM offers power \ _and \ _ great battery life \ _and \ _ a super cheap price .
What 's not to like for the general consumer ? But Microsoft ca n't compete here with XP , Vista , or 7 - as all the applications that tie people to Windows currently are compiled for x86 !
Even if they did release an OS for ARM , they 'd have to differentiate it enough so the general consumer could understand why they ca n't install Spore or TurboTax or whatever on their shiny new Windows laptop .
More than likely they 'd end up releasing some rushed version of Windows CE.Now compare that with Ubuntu , for example , which has a fully-supported ARM distribution , and works extremely well on low-powered netbooks ( the netbook distro is a bit of a work-in-progress , but using the regular desktop version is solid .
) It would be pretty hilarious to see Microsoft trying to force a netbook WinCE instead down manufacturer 's throats , unless they spent a lot of time to polish it , which they do n't have.Hopefully this will be the final tipping point in realizing that the general consumer does n't need to pay Microsoft to have a usable computer .
Again , no turnips , and as a plus computing as a whole moves forward !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Which will be the ARM-based netbooks/laptops, just around the corner.
Think about it: ARM offers power \_and\_ great battery life \_and\_ a super cheap price.
What's not to like for the general consumer?But Microsoft can't compete here with XP, Vista, or 7 - as all the applications that tie people to Windows currently are compiled for x86!
Even if they did release an OS for ARM, they'd have to differentiate it enough so the general consumer could understand why they can't install Spore or TurboTax or whatever on their shiny new Windows laptop.
More than likely they'd end up releasing some rushed version of Windows CE.Now compare that with Ubuntu, for example, which has a fully-supported ARM distribution, and works extremely well on low-powered netbooks (the netbook distro is a bit of a work-in-progress, but using the regular desktop version is solid.
) It would be pretty hilarious to see Microsoft trying to force a netbook WinCE instead down manufacturer's throats, unless they spent a lot of time to polish it, which they don't have.Hopefully this will be the final tipping point in realizing that the general consumer doesn't need to pay Microsoft to have a usable computer.
Again, no turnips, and as a plus computing as a whole moves forward!</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401385</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28409999</id>
	<title>Re:OEM laziness</title>
	<author>yelvington</author>
	<datestamp>1245592680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not just the initial configuration. It's the lack of proper ongoing support and upgrades.</p><p>My daughter has an Acer Aspire One. The "Linpus Linux" abomination is based on Fedora, but is quite likely to corrupt itself it you update from Fedora repositories. It's not even a current version of Linpus. So the choice is: Stick with the outdated Acer Linpus configuration (Firefox 2!!) or risk bricking the netbook.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not just the initial configuration .
It 's the lack of proper ongoing support and upgrades.My daughter has an Acer Aspire One .
The " Linpus Linux " abomination is based on Fedora , but is quite likely to corrupt itself it you update from Fedora repositories .
It 's not even a current version of Linpus .
So the choice is : Stick with the outdated Acer Linpus configuration ( Firefox 2 ! !
) or risk bricking the netbook .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not just the initial configuration.
It's the lack of proper ongoing support and upgrades.My daughter has an Acer Aspire One.
The "Linpus Linux" abomination is based on Fedora, but is quite likely to corrupt itself it you update from Fedora repositories.
It's not even a current version of Linpus.
So the choice is: Stick with the outdated Acer Linpus configuration (Firefox 2!!
) or risk bricking the netbook.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401487</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28407731</id>
	<title>Re:OEM laziness</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1245519780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're correct.  But how is controlling costs "laziness"?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're correct .
But how is controlling costs " laziness " ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're correct.
But how is controlling costs "laziness"?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401487</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28402121</id>
	<title>Re:Smoking Gun? Hardly</title>
	<author>Blakey Rat</author>
	<datestamp>1245515340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please. In the entire first GENERATION of netbooks, it was much easier to find Linux ones on the shelf than Microsoft ones. In fact, IIRC, first-generation netbooks didn't even have enough storage to run XP if they wanted, except maybe an exclusive few.</p><p>Why don't you see Linux on netbooks now? The main reason is that the minimum netbook hardware spec can easily run XP now. A healthy proportion of them have HDs, and those that have SSDs have much larger SSDs than the first generation.</p><p>I'm sorry to break this to the Linux fans, but the netbook industry only embraced Linux long enough to keep their product lines alive until they could ship the OS that their customers actually want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please .
In the entire first GENERATION of netbooks , it was much easier to find Linux ones on the shelf than Microsoft ones .
In fact , IIRC , first-generation netbooks did n't even have enough storage to run XP if they wanted , except maybe an exclusive few.Why do n't you see Linux on netbooks now ?
The main reason is that the minimum netbook hardware spec can easily run XP now .
A healthy proportion of them have HDs , and those that have SSDs have much larger SSDs than the first generation.I 'm sorry to break this to the Linux fans , but the netbook industry only embraced Linux long enough to keep their product lines alive until they could ship the OS that their customers actually want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please.
In the entire first GENERATION of netbooks, it was much easier to find Linux ones on the shelf than Microsoft ones.
In fact, IIRC, first-generation netbooks didn't even have enough storage to run XP if they wanted, except maybe an exclusive few.Why don't you see Linux on netbooks now?
The main reason is that the minimum netbook hardware spec can easily run XP now.
A healthy proportion of them have HDs, and those that have SSDs have much larger SSDs than the first generation.I'm sorry to break this to the Linux fans, but the netbook industry only embraced Linux long enough to keep their product lines alive until they could ship the OS that their customers actually want.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401341</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401385</id>
	<title>Cunning Plan</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245509100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What these companies need to to is to club together to form a new "independent" company that makes netbooks. This company would only sell non-Microsoft netbooks (whether that was Linux or some other new-fangled OS) and thus be immune to Microsoft's mafia tactics.
</p><p>No turnips required.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What these companies need to to is to club together to form a new " independent " company that makes netbooks .
This company would only sell non-Microsoft netbooks ( whether that was Linux or some other new-fangled OS ) and thus be immune to Microsoft 's mafia tactics .
No turnips required .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What these companies need to to is to club together to form a new "independent" company that makes netbooks.
This company would only sell non-Microsoft netbooks (whether that was Linux or some other new-fangled OS) and thus be immune to Microsoft's mafia tactics.
No turnips required.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28406611</id>
	<title>Re:OEM laziness</title>
	<author>jonwil</author>
	<datestamp>1245508920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If there is a kernel patch, the answer is to try and get that patch upstream (either into the distro kernel or the mainline kernel) os that it doesn't get blown away every time the kernel is upgraded.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If there is a kernel patch , the answer is to try and get that patch upstream ( either into the distro kernel or the mainline kernel ) os that it does n't get blown away every time the kernel is upgraded .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If there is a kernel patch, the answer is to try and get that patch upstream (either into the distro kernel or the mainline kernel) os that it doesn't get blown away every time the kernel is upgraded.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28407235</id>
	<title>Re:This is so frustrating</title>
	<author>bwashed75</author>
	<datestamp>1245515040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You underestimate Joe's vast amount of neurons finely tuned to the 10+ years of Windows usage. After 150 minutes tutorial it is still easier for him to do a wacky windows hack to solve a problem than doing that "sumo attitude thingy.."or whatever, because the windows hack he's done a billion times already. <br> <br>

The windows legacy in peoples way of thinking is something the OSS world has to accept and deal with, not bitch about. Don't underestimate 2000 hours of Windows exposure!</htmltext>
<tokenext>You underestimate Joe 's vast amount of neurons finely tuned to the 10 + years of Windows usage .
After 150 minutes tutorial it is still easier for him to do a wacky windows hack to solve a problem than doing that " sumo attitude thingy.. " or whatever , because the windows hack he 's done a billion times already .
The windows legacy in peoples way of thinking is something the OSS world has to accept and deal with , not bitch about .
Do n't underestimate 2000 hours of Windows exposure !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You underestimate Joe's vast amount of neurons finely tuned to the 10+ years of Windows usage.
After 150 minutes tutorial it is still easier for him to do a wacky windows hack to solve a problem than doing that "sumo attitude thingy.."or whatever, because the windows hack he's done a billion times already.
The windows legacy in peoples way of thinking is something the OSS world has to accept and deal with, not bitch about.
Don't underestimate 2000 hours of Windows exposure!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401365</id>
	<title>Re:Horse analogies are making a comeback!</title>
	<author>Blue Stone</author>
	<datestamp>1245508860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That, good sir, is complete horse shit.</p><p>(the inherent vulnerability in the equine metaphor)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That , good sir , is complete horse shit .
( the inherent vulnerability in the equine metaphor )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That, good sir, is complete horse shit.
(the inherent vulnerability in the equine metaphor)</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28405575</id>
	<title>Re:Cunning Plan</title>
	<author>Waccoon</author>
	<datestamp>1245501300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cunning plan... to not make money?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cunning plan... to not make money ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cunning plan... to not make money?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401385</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28404835</id>
	<title>milkshake</title>
	<author>stimpleton</author>
	<datestamp>1245496800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>If I'm over here with a straw and come allllll the way over here to your horse and insert a straw into it....and then....go back here and draw strongly on the straw....I kill your horse! I suck him up!</htmltext>
<tokenext>If I 'm over here with a straw and come allllll the way over here to your horse and insert a straw into it....and then....go back here and draw strongly on the straw....I kill your horse !
I suck him up !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If I'm over here with a straw and come allllll the way over here to your horse and insert a straw into it....and then....go back here and draw strongly on the straw....I kill your horse!
I suck him up!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28405299</id>
	<title>Re:Smoking Gun? Hardly</title>
	<author>Locutus</author>
	<datestamp>1245499800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>this happened at the mobile phone conference in Feb or March of this year. Nobody was showing Android models and nobody would talk about it. They all talked about a future version of Windows Mobile due out next year. then just one month later, we hear there'll be a half dozen Android phones out this year. Another month or two later and we hear there will be close to 20 Android based phones shipping this year.<br>
&nbsp; </p><p>Wanna bet who's paying those companies to NOT show Android based phones and ONLY show and talk about Microsoft products?  If this is capitalism, it sucks. IMO <br>
&nbsp; </p><p>LoB<br>
&nbsp; </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>this happened at the mobile phone conference in Feb or March of this year .
Nobody was showing Android models and nobody would talk about it .
They all talked about a future version of Windows Mobile due out next year .
then just one month later , we hear there 'll be a half dozen Android phones out this year .
Another month or two later and we hear there will be close to 20 Android based phones shipping this year .
  Wan na bet who 's paying those companies to NOT show Android based phones and ONLY show and talk about Microsoft products ?
If this is capitalism , it sucks .
IMO   LoB  </tokentext>
<sentencetext>this happened at the mobile phone conference in Feb or March of this year.
Nobody was showing Android models and nobody would talk about it.
They all talked about a future version of Windows Mobile due out next year.
then just one month later, we hear there'll be a half dozen Android phones out this year.
Another month or two later and we hear there will be close to 20 Android based phones shipping this year.
  Wanna bet who's paying those companies to NOT show Android based phones and ONLY show and talk about Microsoft products?
If this is capitalism, it sucks.
IMO 
  LoB
  </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28402549</id>
	<title>Re:Who's holding the smoking gun?</title>
	<author>AceofSpades19</author>
	<datestamp>1245519660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well it didn't help that the OEMs badly implemented linux on their netbooks, if they actually had a good implementation, then it wouldn't have been that bad for consumers</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well it did n't help that the OEMs badly implemented linux on their netbooks , if they actually had a good implementation , then it would n't have been that bad for consumers</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well it didn't help that the OEMs badly implemented linux on their netbooks, if they actually had a good implementation, then it wouldn't have been that bad for consumers</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401437</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28404263</id>
	<title>Too little, too late</title>
	<author>westlake</author>
	<datestamp>1245491940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Linux has come a long way and it is ready for the average user. Yes, Joe-six-pack can use linux with a 15 minute tutorial in the basics. I just want to scream knowing that Microsoft is still undermining the market and retarding progress!</i> </p><p>The MSDOS and Windows PC has been in the home and SOHO markets since 1980.</p><p>Close enough to thirty years as makes no difference.</p><p>He may occasionally need an emulator like ScummVM. But, for all practical purposes, the entire MSDOS and Windows back list is available to his 64 bit Quad Core Win 7 system. <a href="http://www.gog.com/en/frontpage/" title="gog.com">Gog.com</a> [gog.com] for the good old games.</p><p>The best in freeware, the best in shareware, the best in proprietary and closed-source, the best in FOSS.</p><p>No barriers. No lectures. The Windows world is a global marketplace, with the ethics and values of the thieves bazaar.</p><p>That is what makes it so much fun. The geek tends to come across as the Salvation Army Band - a self-righteous and humorless Carry A. Nation preaching outside the old-time Irish saloon.</p><p>The mass market OEM Linux PC is a bottom feeder - and a piss-poor showcase for Linux.</p><p>The refurbished $750 Vista desktop at Tiger is  quad-core - perhaps a Phenom or i7.</p><p> 8 GB of DDR2 or DDR3 RAM. 1 TB of primary storage on one or two drives, with front panel cartridge mounts for one or more USB drives. Entry level NVIDIA DX10 graphics or better with integrated HDMI audio and video. WiFi a given. The Blu-Ray player. Not a burner. Not quite yet.</p><p>The power supply and the video card probably not your first choice. But once the system knows your usage patterns, this bird is going to fly.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Linux has come a long way and it is ready for the average user .
Yes , Joe-six-pack can use linux with a 15 minute tutorial in the basics .
I just want to scream knowing that Microsoft is still undermining the market and retarding progress !
The MSDOS and Windows PC has been in the home and SOHO markets since 1980.Close enough to thirty years as makes no difference.He may occasionally need an emulator like ScummVM .
But , for all practical purposes , the entire MSDOS and Windows back list is available to his 64 bit Quad Core Win 7 system .
Gog.com [ gog.com ] for the good old games.The best in freeware , the best in shareware , the best in proprietary and closed-source , the best in FOSS.No barriers .
No lectures .
The Windows world is a global marketplace , with the ethics and values of the thieves bazaar.That is what makes it so much fun .
The geek tends to come across as the Salvation Army Band - a self-righteous and humorless Carry A. Nation preaching outside the old-time Irish saloon.The mass market OEM Linux PC is a bottom feeder - and a piss-poor showcase for Linux.The refurbished $ 750 Vista desktop at Tiger is quad-core - perhaps a Phenom or i7 .
8 GB of DDR2 or DDR3 RAM .
1 TB of primary storage on one or two drives , with front panel cartridge mounts for one or more USB drives .
Entry level NVIDIA DX10 graphics or better with integrated HDMI audio and video .
WiFi a given .
The Blu-Ray player .
Not a burner .
Not quite yet.The power supply and the video card probably not your first choice .
But once the system knows your usage patterns , this bird is going to fly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Linux has come a long way and it is ready for the average user.
Yes, Joe-six-pack can use linux with a 15 minute tutorial in the basics.
I just want to scream knowing that Microsoft is still undermining the market and retarding progress!
The MSDOS and Windows PC has been in the home and SOHO markets since 1980.Close enough to thirty years as makes no difference.He may occasionally need an emulator like ScummVM.
But, for all practical purposes, the entire MSDOS and Windows back list is available to his 64 bit Quad Core Win 7 system.
Gog.com [gog.com] for the good old games.The best in freeware, the best in shareware, the best in proprietary and closed-source, the best in FOSS.No barriers.
No lectures.
The Windows world is a global marketplace, with the ethics and values of the thieves bazaar.That is what makes it so much fun.
The geek tends to come across as the Salvation Army Band - a self-righteous and humorless Carry A. Nation preaching outside the old-time Irish saloon.The mass market OEM Linux PC is a bottom feeder - and a piss-poor showcase for Linux.The refurbished $750 Vista desktop at Tiger is  quad-core - perhaps a Phenom or i7.
8 GB of DDR2 or DDR3 RAM.
1 TB of primary storage on one or two drives, with front panel cartridge mounts for one or more USB drives.
Entry level NVIDIA DX10 graphics or better with integrated HDMI audio and video.
WiFi a given.
The Blu-Ray player.
Not a burner.
Not quite yet.The power supply and the video card probably not your first choice.
But once the system knows your usage patterns, this bird is going to fly.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401269</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401341</id>
	<title>Re:Smoking Gun? Hardly</title>
	<author>just\_another\_sean</author>
	<datestamp>1245508740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Having RTFA I can say that there is a lot more to it then just an off hand remark by a Taiwanese executive. No one seemed to be showing off Linux products. Any hype that companies like AMD, Intel and Acer made about using Linux seems to have dried out completely. And there sits MS, fat and confident that they can continue to tell hardware companies what to do and they'll just fall in line.</p><p>Hyperbole? Maybe. But history *does* seem to suggest otherwise...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Having RTFA I can say that there is a lot more to it then just an off hand remark by a Taiwanese executive .
No one seemed to be showing off Linux products .
Any hype that companies like AMD , Intel and Acer made about using Linux seems to have dried out completely .
And there sits MS , fat and confident that they can continue to tell hardware companies what to do and they 'll just fall in line.Hyperbole ?
Maybe. But history * does * seem to suggest otherwise.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Having RTFA I can say that there is a lot more to it then just an off hand remark by a Taiwanese executive.
No one seemed to be showing off Linux products.
Any hype that companies like AMD, Intel and Acer made about using Linux seems to have dried out completely.
And there sits MS, fat and confident that they can continue to tell hardware companies what to do and they'll just fall in line.Hyperbole?
Maybe. But history *does* seem to suggest otherwise...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401259</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401437</id>
	<title>Who's holding the smoking gun?</title>
	<author>zak317</author>
	<datestamp>1245509520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I'm wondering who's holding the smoking gun? Microsoft or the customers who buys netbooks? Because I know a lot who don't know Linux and don't want to see nothing else than Windows everywhere...</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm wondering who 's holding the smoking gun ?
Microsoft or the customers who buys netbooks ?
Because I know a lot who do n't know Linux and do n't want to see nothing else than Windows everywhere.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm wondering who's holding the smoking gun?
Microsoft or the customers who buys netbooks?
Because I know a lot who don't know Linux and don't want to see nothing else than Windows everywhere...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401637</id>
	<title>Linux is a very loose federation...</title>
	<author>PinchDuck</author>
	<datestamp>1245511380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whereas Microsoft is a corporation with focus, clarity, and direction. Linux seeped into the netbook niche because it was the best alternative at the time. Any new computing device that needs an O/S and hasn't  yet gotten a proven business model for making money is a perfect platform for Linux. It plays to Linux's strengths. The netbook craze caught MS completely unawares, and Linux was very successful for a year or so. Then MS focused on that segment, clarified their offerings, and went directly at the manufacturers to make sure that XP was a viable option on that platform. In other words, the market morphed to a situation that played to Microsoft's strengths. No conspiracies or dead horses here, just the standard business cycle. I hope to pick up a netbook, and I know to get one that has Linux, but most people just don't care, and are familiar with XP. They see the familiar "Start" button and gravitate towards that. To each their own.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whereas Microsoft is a corporation with focus , clarity , and direction .
Linux seeped into the netbook niche because it was the best alternative at the time .
Any new computing device that needs an O/S and has n't yet gotten a proven business model for making money is a perfect platform for Linux .
It plays to Linux 's strengths .
The netbook craze caught MS completely unawares , and Linux was very successful for a year or so .
Then MS focused on that segment , clarified their offerings , and went directly at the manufacturers to make sure that XP was a viable option on that platform .
In other words , the market morphed to a situation that played to Microsoft 's strengths .
No conspiracies or dead horses here , just the standard business cycle .
I hope to pick up a netbook , and I know to get one that has Linux , but most people just do n't care , and are familiar with XP .
They see the familiar " Start " button and gravitate towards that .
To each their own .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whereas Microsoft is a corporation with focus, clarity, and direction.
Linux seeped into the netbook niche because it was the best alternative at the time.
Any new computing device that needs an O/S and hasn't  yet gotten a proven business model for making money is a perfect platform for Linux.
It plays to Linux's strengths.
The netbook craze caught MS completely unawares, and Linux was very successful for a year or so.
Then MS focused on that segment, clarified their offerings, and went directly at the manufacturers to make sure that XP was a viable option on that platform.
In other words, the market morphed to a situation that played to Microsoft's strengths.
No conspiracies or dead horses here, just the standard business cycle.
I hope to pick up a netbook, and I know to get one that has Linux, but most people just don't care, and are familiar with XP.
They see the familiar "Start" button and gravitate towards that.
To each their own.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401843</id>
	<title>Re:OEM laziness</title>
	<author>hitmark</author>
	<datestamp>1245513000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>MSI was the one with the driver issues (and also the one that first complained about return rates on their linux model).</p><p>Asus and Acer are the ones that use odd offshots of debian (xandros, asus) and fedora (linpus, acer). and the versions they based those of are not even close to the latest...</p><p>Still, as one think about it, asus probably got its inspiration from OLPC and intel classmate, and envisioned linux as just some "featurephone firmware" that would not be messed around with much ones installed. They also clearly aimed the eeepc at children, not the geek adults that ended up embracing it for price and that it ran linux out of the box...</p><p>Something tells me that a ARM based netbook will be truer to those roots then the current gen "netbook" is...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>MSI was the one with the driver issues ( and also the one that first complained about return rates on their linux model ) .Asus and Acer are the ones that use odd offshots of debian ( xandros , asus ) and fedora ( linpus , acer ) .
and the versions they based those of are not even close to the latest...Still , as one think about it , asus probably got its inspiration from OLPC and intel classmate , and envisioned linux as just some " featurephone firmware " that would not be messed around with much ones installed .
They also clearly aimed the eeepc at children , not the geek adults that ended up embracing it for price and that it ran linux out of the box...Something tells me that a ARM based netbook will be truer to those roots then the current gen " netbook " is.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>MSI was the one with the driver issues (and also the one that first complained about return rates on their linux model).Asus and Acer are the ones that use odd offshots of debian (xandros, asus) and fedora (linpus, acer).
and the versions they based those of are not even close to the latest...Still, as one think about it, asus probably got its inspiration from OLPC and intel classmate, and envisioned linux as just some "featurephone firmware" that would not be messed around with much ones installed.
They also clearly aimed the eeepc at children, not the geek adults that ended up embracing it for price and that it ran linux out of the box...Something tells me that a ARM based netbook will be truer to those roots then the current gen "netbook" is...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28403065</id>
	<title>To quote Brad Pitt...</title>
	<author>petrus4</author>
	<datestamp>1245523980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"No shit, Sherlock."</p><p>Of course Microsoft are going to do everything they can, to sink Linux in every potential niche they can.</p><p>There are a couple of ways in which the Linux community is its' own worst enemy, however.</p><p>1)  You think "the desktop," is the primary issue of importance.  Maybe in 1999 it was; it isn't now.  First Web 2.0, and then the cloud craze both mean that the local client desktop is nowhere near as important as it used to be.  Firefox is cross-platform, and if you're using Google, that is all you need.  A person can thus do what they want just as well on either system, so the OS they're using ceases to be important.</p><p>2)  Overuse of promotion.  This might initially sound insane, but to get ahead of Microsoft, Linux's distribution actually needs to be as quiet as possible.  Spread it one person at a time, via word of mouth.  When you have PR releases and bang the drum and have huge crowds of people waving flags, that's when Microsoft are able to come in and step on you with FUD.  The Linux community needs to learn to start doing things under Microsoft's radar.</p><p>3)  Insisting that people still care about "free."  (As in Stallman)  Nobody neurotypical does, nobody neurotypical ever has, and nobody neurotypical wants to.  You can lament and bitch and moan and drum your heels and hold your breath about that as much as you want.  It won't make any difference.</p><p>The stack is both closed and open source.  Normal people use what works, whether it is FOSS or proprietary, and as long as it does what they need, they don't give a shit either way.  The only people who care about the ideology are the autistic.  Neurotypicals don't, and if you try and tell them that they should, they will simply call you a freak, (or think you're one, if they don't actually say it) and walk away from you.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" No shit , Sherlock .
" Of course Microsoft are going to do everything they can , to sink Linux in every potential niche they can.There are a couple of ways in which the Linux community is its ' own worst enemy , however.1 ) You think " the desktop , " is the primary issue of importance .
Maybe in 1999 it was ; it is n't now .
First Web 2.0 , and then the cloud craze both mean that the local client desktop is nowhere near as important as it used to be .
Firefox is cross-platform , and if you 're using Google , that is all you need .
A person can thus do what they want just as well on either system , so the OS they 're using ceases to be important.2 ) Overuse of promotion .
This might initially sound insane , but to get ahead of Microsoft , Linux 's distribution actually needs to be as quiet as possible .
Spread it one person at a time , via word of mouth .
When you have PR releases and bang the drum and have huge crowds of people waving flags , that 's when Microsoft are able to come in and step on you with FUD .
The Linux community needs to learn to start doing things under Microsoft 's radar.3 ) Insisting that people still care about " free .
" ( As in Stallman ) Nobody neurotypical does , nobody neurotypical ever has , and nobody neurotypical wants to .
You can lament and bitch and moan and drum your heels and hold your breath about that as much as you want .
It wo n't make any difference.The stack is both closed and open source .
Normal people use what works , whether it is FOSS or proprietary , and as long as it does what they need , they do n't give a shit either way .
The only people who care about the ideology are the autistic .
Neurotypicals do n't , and if you try and tell them that they should , they will simply call you a freak , ( or think you 're one , if they do n't actually say it ) and walk away from you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"No shit, Sherlock.
"Of course Microsoft are going to do everything they can, to sink Linux in every potential niche they can.There are a couple of ways in which the Linux community is its' own worst enemy, however.1)  You think "the desktop," is the primary issue of importance.
Maybe in 1999 it was; it isn't now.
First Web 2.0, and then the cloud craze both mean that the local client desktop is nowhere near as important as it used to be.
Firefox is cross-platform, and if you're using Google, that is all you need.
A person can thus do what they want just as well on either system, so the OS they're using ceases to be important.2)  Overuse of promotion.
This might initially sound insane, but to get ahead of Microsoft, Linux's distribution actually needs to be as quiet as possible.
Spread it one person at a time, via word of mouth.
When you have PR releases and bang the drum and have huge crowds of people waving flags, that's when Microsoft are able to come in and step on you with FUD.
The Linux community needs to learn to start doing things under Microsoft's radar.3)  Insisting that people still care about "free.
"  (As in Stallman)  Nobody neurotypical does, nobody neurotypical ever has, and nobody neurotypical wants to.
You can lament and bitch and moan and drum your heels and hold your breath about that as much as you want.
It won't make any difference.The stack is both closed and open source.
Normal people use what works, whether it is FOSS or proprietary, and as long as it does what they need, they don't give a shit either way.
The only people who care about the ideology are the autistic.
Neurotypicals don't, and if you try and tell them that they should, they will simply call you a freak, (or think you're one, if they don't actually say it) and walk away from you.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401215</id>
	<title>first</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245507600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>first</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>first</tokentext>
<sentencetext>first</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28403953</id>
	<title>Butmaihoarseisfaster</title>
	<author>janwedekind</author>
	<datestamp>1245488880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFP-MktgOKU" title="youtube.com">how we settle this matters in Kasachstan</a> [youtube.com] (forward video to 17:58).</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is how we settle this matters in Kasachstan [ youtube.com ] ( forward video to 17 : 58 ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is how we settle this matters in Kasachstan [youtube.com] (forward video to 17:58).</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28402669</id>
	<title>It's a market thing, not a conspiracy</title>
	<author>Will.Woodhull</author>
	<datestamp>1245520800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have not RTFA and in this case I don't think I need to.

</p><p>Netbook manufacturers are going to skim the cream. That's been the pattern for all high tech innovations for more than 20 years. It means that that you first work the most profitable price points, then as those markets get saturated, you aim at the lower price points.

</p><p>People willing to pay $500 - $900 for a netbook expect to get MS Office and probably MS Outlook on it. They may well add a dual boot with Linux after purchase, and they might end up spending most of their time in Linux, but for that price a Windows OS and the ability to handle Excel and PowerPoint files perfectly are an expectation. Failure to meet that expectation is a deal breaker.

</p><p>So long as there is good profit to be made in selling these high end machines, the less expensive netbooks in a manufacturer's line-up are going to be positioned to encourage consumers to buy the more expensive ones. They will have fewer features, of course, but more important to this discussion is that they ABSOLUTELY CANNOT CAUSE THE CONSUMER TO DOUBT that the top of the line netbook is the best product available. Manufacturers certainly don't want showroom discussions that compare their $750 wonder with all the MS bells and whistles with a $250 Linux with FOSS machine. That would be cutting their own throats.

</p><p>Savvy sales persons are willing to talk up how Ubuntu could be easily installed as a dual boot on this $999 machine since its got the big hard drive, and that yeah, you might see more battery life, and yeah, it would probably be more secure when you are surfing on the wifi of your favorite coffee shop. Don't expect them to volunteer that info, but a good salesperson will spout on that if asked.

</p><p>But that's as far as Linux penetration of the showroom is going to go, until the high end market is saturated and the $200 - $300 price point becomes the most profitable for manufacturers. Then things are likely to change, because then the license fees to Microsoft cut too deeply into the smaller margins.

</p><p>There is no conspiracy here; simply the same market dynamics that have been at work in computer sales since the mid 1980s. Linux is undoubtedly being installed on a lot of netbooks after purchase. But until showing your overpriced netbook in the Golf Club's lounge is no longer a status symbol for the PHBs, Linux on a netbook is detrimental to the health of the manufacturers. Our turn will come.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have not RTFA and in this case I do n't think I need to .
Netbook manufacturers are going to skim the cream .
That 's been the pattern for all high tech innovations for more than 20 years .
It means that that you first work the most profitable price points , then as those markets get saturated , you aim at the lower price points .
People willing to pay $ 500 - $ 900 for a netbook expect to get MS Office and probably MS Outlook on it .
They may well add a dual boot with Linux after purchase , and they might end up spending most of their time in Linux , but for that price a Windows OS and the ability to handle Excel and PowerPoint files perfectly are an expectation .
Failure to meet that expectation is a deal breaker .
So long as there is good profit to be made in selling these high end machines , the less expensive netbooks in a manufacturer 's line-up are going to be positioned to encourage consumers to buy the more expensive ones .
They will have fewer features , of course , but more important to this discussion is that they ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT CAUSE THE CONSUMER TO DOUBT that the top of the line netbook is the best product available .
Manufacturers certainly do n't want showroom discussions that compare their $ 750 wonder with all the MS bells and whistles with a $ 250 Linux with FOSS machine .
That would be cutting their own throats .
Savvy sales persons are willing to talk up how Ubuntu could be easily installed as a dual boot on this $ 999 machine since its got the big hard drive , and that yeah , you might see more battery life , and yeah , it would probably be more secure when you are surfing on the wifi of your favorite coffee shop .
Do n't expect them to volunteer that info , but a good salesperson will spout on that if asked .
But that 's as far as Linux penetration of the showroom is going to go , until the high end market is saturated and the $ 200 - $ 300 price point becomes the most profitable for manufacturers .
Then things are likely to change , because then the license fees to Microsoft cut too deeply into the smaller margins .
There is no conspiracy here ; simply the same market dynamics that have been at work in computer sales since the mid 1980s .
Linux is undoubtedly being installed on a lot of netbooks after purchase .
But until showing your overpriced netbook in the Golf Club 's lounge is no longer a status symbol for the PHBs , Linux on a netbook is detrimental to the health of the manufacturers .
Our turn will come .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have not RTFA and in this case I don't think I need to.
Netbook manufacturers are going to skim the cream.
That's been the pattern for all high tech innovations for more than 20 years.
It means that that you first work the most profitable price points, then as those markets get saturated, you aim at the lower price points.
People willing to pay $500 - $900 for a netbook expect to get MS Office and probably MS Outlook on it.
They may well add a dual boot with Linux after purchase, and they might end up spending most of their time in Linux, but for that price a Windows OS and the ability to handle Excel and PowerPoint files perfectly are an expectation.
Failure to meet that expectation is a deal breaker.
So long as there is good profit to be made in selling these high end machines, the less expensive netbooks in a manufacturer's line-up are going to be positioned to encourage consumers to buy the more expensive ones.
They will have fewer features, of course, but more important to this discussion is that they ABSOLUTELY CANNOT CAUSE THE CONSUMER TO DOUBT that the top of the line netbook is the best product available.
Manufacturers certainly don't want showroom discussions that compare their $750 wonder with all the MS bells and whistles with a $250 Linux with FOSS machine.
That would be cutting their own throats.
Savvy sales persons are willing to talk up how Ubuntu could be easily installed as a dual boot on this $999 machine since its got the big hard drive, and that yeah, you might see more battery life, and yeah, it would probably be more secure when you are surfing on the wifi of your favorite coffee shop.
Don't expect them to volunteer that info, but a good salesperson will spout on that if asked.
But that's as far as Linux penetration of the showroom is going to go, until the high end market is saturated and the $200 - $300 price point becomes the most profitable for manufacturers.
Then things are likely to change, because then the license fees to Microsoft cut too deeply into the smaller margins.
There is no conspiracy here; simply the same market dynamics that have been at work in computer sales since the mid 1980s.
Linux is undoubtedly being installed on a lot of netbooks after purchase.
But until showing your overpriced netbook in the Golf Club's lounge is no longer a status symbol for the PHBs, Linux on a netbook is detrimental to the health of the manufacturers.
Our turn will come.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401781</id>
	<title>Re:OEM laziness</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245512460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>and maybe the odd driver not included in Windows.</i> <br> <br>It's practically a requirement, Windows ships with only legacy drivers most of the time.</htmltext>
<tokenext>and maybe the odd driver not included in Windows .
It 's practically a requirement , Windows ships with only legacy drivers most of the time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and maybe the odd driver not included in Windows.
It's practically a requirement, Windows ships with only legacy drivers most of the time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401487</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401445</id>
	<title>The truth behind Linux netbook failure...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245509580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The truth behind the Linux netbook fail?  Nobody wants it!  Nobody that is, except for nerds.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The truth behind the Linux netbook fail ?
Nobody wants it !
Nobody that is , except for nerds .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The truth behind the Linux netbook fail?
Nobody wants it!
Nobody that is, except for nerds.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401889</id>
	<title>Re:This is so frustrating</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245513360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Take a look at the Netbook discussions from a year ago.  Limpus, Netbook Xandros.... weren't quality.  The Linuxes that shipped with Netbooks weren't really good enough in particular in terms of software choice and package availability.  Almost every<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. person who bought one ended up putting on a different Linux.  That means an OS install.  And those OS installs were complicated because of obscure hardware which often required specialized driver packages.</p><p>It wasn't ready.</p><p>Linux has been ready given a strong backing for a decade.  What it lacks though is the sort of strong backing.  Something like Mandriva's OEM Netbook Linux pairing with a Dell would have been perfect.  But then where are Dell's cost savings?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Take a look at the Netbook discussions from a year ago .
Limpus , Netbook Xandros.... were n't quality .
The Linuxes that shipped with Netbooks were n't really good enough in particular in terms of software choice and package availability .
Almost every / .
person who bought one ended up putting on a different Linux .
That means an OS install .
And those OS installs were complicated because of obscure hardware which often required specialized driver packages.It was n't ready.Linux has been ready given a strong backing for a decade .
What it lacks though is the sort of strong backing .
Something like Mandriva 's OEM Netbook Linux pairing with a Dell would have been perfect .
But then where are Dell 's cost savings ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Take a look at the Netbook discussions from a year ago.
Limpus, Netbook Xandros.... weren't quality.
The Linuxes that shipped with Netbooks weren't really good enough in particular in terms of software choice and package availability.
Almost every /.
person who bought one ended up putting on a different Linux.
That means an OS install.
And those OS installs were complicated because of obscure hardware which often required specialized driver packages.It wasn't ready.Linux has been ready given a strong backing for a decade.
What it lacks though is the sort of strong backing.
Something like Mandriva's OEM Netbook Linux pairing with a Dell would have been perfect.
But then where are Dell's cost savings?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401269</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401865</id>
	<title>Re:Horse analogies are making a comeback!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245513120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They could, however, enjoy a bale-out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They could , however , enjoy a bale-out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They could, however, enjoy a bale-out.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28408821</id>
	<title>Re:Two big problems with this "smoking gun"</title>
	<author>alukin</author>
	<datestamp>1245576120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem that jerks from Microsoft telling people every day that they are stupid and dumb, they can not learn how to use netbook or cellphone without Windows. I wonder how people manage to use Apple's  iPhione! It is impossible at all because it is based on BSD Unix!</p><p>Guys from MS! Could you please just shutup and let people choose?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem that jerks from Microsoft telling people every day that they are stupid and dumb , they can not learn how to use netbook or cellphone without Windows .
I wonder how people manage to use Apple 's iPhione !
It is impossible at all because it is based on BSD Unix ! Guys from MS !
Could you please just shutup and let people choose ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem that jerks from Microsoft telling people every day that they are stupid and dumb, they can not learn how to use netbook or cellphone without Windows.
I wonder how people manage to use Apple's  iPhione!
It is impossible at all because it is based on BSD Unix!Guys from MS!
Could you please just shutup and let people choose?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28403741</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28403027</id>
	<title>Windows and market? What are you speaking about?!!</title>
	<author>alukin</author>
	<datestamp>1245523560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>There is no market with Windows. There is MONOPOLY. Ugly and rotten monopoly that even US government does not dare to fight. All the world pays M$ taxes  with computer hardware. There is no choice at all in every computer store. So guys, what market you are speaking about? Only few  people around the globe managed to get money back for unused Windows on their computer. It is the situation if you dare to look at it with sober eye.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>There is no market with Windows .
There is MONOPOLY .
Ugly and rotten monopoly that even US government does not dare to fight .
All the world pays M $ taxes with computer hardware .
There is no choice at all in every computer store .
So guys , what market you are speaking about ?
Only few people around the globe managed to get money back for unused Windows on their computer .
It is the situation if you dare to look at it with sober eye .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There is no market with Windows.
There is MONOPOLY.
Ugly and rotten monopoly that even US government does not dare to fight.
All the world pays M$ taxes  with computer hardware.
There is no choice at all in every computer store.
So guys, what market you are speaking about?
Only few  people around the globe managed to get money back for unused Windows on their computer.
It is the situation if you dare to look at it with sober eye.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28402051</id>
	<title>There's a reason Linux went the way of the Tucker.</title>
	<author>Kyokugenryu</author>
	<datestamp>1245514680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Is it really so hard to believe that people just want something that works?  Sure, people could relearn to use Linux, but why?  They already know how to use windows, and learning how to use Linux would take time away from them doing other things.  A lot of people simply use the computer for checking email and browsing Facebook/MySpace, why sit there and relearn how to do that when you can just do it in Windows without the hassle/time investment?

People are lazy.  Those who aren't have other things to do with their time than learn a new OS, which is why I honestly don't think Linux will ever be desktop ready.  OSX is so user-friendly that it's a nonissue there, but Linux breaks easily and requires a lot of knowledge when shit DOES break.  Windows is just easier, more accessible, and everyone knows how to use it already.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it really so hard to believe that people just want something that works ?
Sure , people could relearn to use Linux , but why ?
They already know how to use windows , and learning how to use Linux would take time away from them doing other things .
A lot of people simply use the computer for checking email and browsing Facebook/MySpace , why sit there and relearn how to do that when you can just do it in Windows without the hassle/time investment ?
People are lazy .
Those who are n't have other things to do with their time than learn a new OS , which is why I honestly do n't think Linux will ever be desktop ready .
OSX is so user-friendly that it 's a nonissue there , but Linux breaks easily and requires a lot of knowledge when shit DOES break .
Windows is just easier , more accessible , and everyone knows how to use it already .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it really so hard to believe that people just want something that works?
Sure, people could relearn to use Linux, but why?
They already know how to use windows, and learning how to use Linux would take time away from them doing other things.
A lot of people simply use the computer for checking email and browsing Facebook/MySpace, why sit there and relearn how to do that when you can just do it in Windows without the hassle/time investment?
People are lazy.
Those who aren't have other things to do with their time than learn a new OS, which is why I honestly don't think Linux will ever be desktop ready.
OSX is so user-friendly that it's a nonissue there, but Linux breaks easily and requires a lot of knowledge when shit DOES break.
Windows is just easier, more accessible, and everyone knows how to use it already.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401547</id>
	<title>No smoking gun, just pro-Linux propoganda</title>
	<author>jinushaun</author>
	<datestamp>1245510540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Whether manufacturers were scared of upsetting MS or whether MS actively bullied manufacturers is irrelevant. It's the same argument as the Linux desktop PC. Truth is, the only people that care about a Linux netbook are Linux fanboys. Your average Joe computer user doesn't care about your 'religious war'. He doesn't care about the OS as long as It Just Works (tm). In fact, he may even be upset if he got 'tricked' into buying a non-Windows netbook. (Why can't I view Office 2007 files? Why can't I view Silverlight websites like Netflix?)</p><p>The current strategy of "Let's put an XP theme over Linux and say it's just like Windows" used by the Linux camp is working as well as when Apple used it over a decade ago. In other words, it doesn't. Think different.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Whether manufacturers were scared of upsetting MS or whether MS actively bullied manufacturers is irrelevant .
It 's the same argument as the Linux desktop PC .
Truth is , the only people that care about a Linux netbook are Linux fanboys .
Your average Joe computer user does n't care about your 'religious war' .
He does n't care about the OS as long as It Just Works ( tm ) .
In fact , he may even be upset if he got 'tricked ' into buying a non-Windows netbook .
( Why ca n't I view Office 2007 files ?
Why ca n't I view Silverlight websites like Netflix ?
) The current strategy of " Let 's put an XP theme over Linux and say it 's just like Windows " used by the Linux camp is working as well as when Apple used it over a decade ago .
In other words , it does n't .
Think different .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Whether manufacturers were scared of upsetting MS or whether MS actively bullied manufacturers is irrelevant.
It's the same argument as the Linux desktop PC.
Truth is, the only people that care about a Linux netbook are Linux fanboys.
Your average Joe computer user doesn't care about your 'religious war'.
He doesn't care about the OS as long as It Just Works (tm).
In fact, he may even be upset if he got 'tricked' into buying a non-Windows netbook.
(Why can't I view Office 2007 files?
Why can't I view Silverlight websites like Netflix?
)The current strategy of "Let's put an XP theme over Linux and say it's just like Windows" used by the Linux camp is working as well as when Apple used it over a decade ago.
In other words, it doesn't.
Think different.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401391</id>
	<title>I for one</title>
	<author>Thermionix</author>
	<datestamp>1245509160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I for one welcome our new Scary Microsoft Overlords</htmltext>
<tokenext>I for one welcome our new Scary Microsoft Overlords</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I for one welcome our new Scary Microsoft Overlords</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401891</id>
	<title>Re:Horse analogies are making a comeback!</title>
	<author>sdpuppy</author>
	<datestamp>1245513360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I've been getting tired of this car analog thing on Slash Dot -
<p>
people have been beating this dead horse for too long now.

</p><p>Oh wait...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been getting tired of this car analog thing on Slash Dot - people have been beating this dead horse for too long now .
Oh wait.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been getting tired of this car analog thing on Slash Dot -

people have been beating this dead horse for too long now.
Oh wait...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401279</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401359</id>
	<title>Re:Smoking Gun? Hardly</title>
	<author>rbanffy</author>
	<datestamp>1245508800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Flamebait</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It's not like Microsoft never had a smoking gun on its hand.</p><p>I doubt they still threaten OEMs by e-mail. A "It's a nice OEM price you have here. It would be a shame if your competitors got better conditions" dropped over dinner or on a golf course is far less useful for antitrust lawyers.</p><p>Still, we can see it's very effective.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's not like Microsoft never had a smoking gun on its hand.I doubt they still threaten OEMs by e-mail .
A " It 's a nice OEM price you have here .
It would be a shame if your competitors got better conditions " dropped over dinner or on a golf course is far less useful for antitrust lawyers.Still , we can see it 's very effective .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's not like Microsoft never had a smoking gun on its hand.I doubt they still threaten OEMs by e-mail.
A "It's a nice OEM price you have here.
It would be a shame if your competitors got better conditions" dropped over dinner or on a golf course is far less useful for antitrust lawyers.Still, we can see it's very effective.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401259</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28402295</id>
	<title>Re:This is so frustrating</title>
	<author>uassholes</author>
	<datestamp>1245516720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>As a lot of posters have pointed out, linux fit the bill in the beginning when netbooks had less horsepower.  The manufacturers needed an OS that could run on such minimal hardware.  Now they can run M$.
<p>
So now the netbook market is like the PC market in that netbooks will ship with M$, and the more technically mined buyers will install bsd, linux, solaris, or whatever floats their boats, and the ignorant masses can continue to enjoy their favorite cartoons: microsoft bob, the blinking paper clip, and the dog that scratches the ground during file searches.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As a lot of posters have pointed out , linux fit the bill in the beginning when netbooks had less horsepower .
The manufacturers needed an OS that could run on such minimal hardware .
Now they can run M $ .
So now the netbook market is like the PC market in that netbooks will ship with M $ , and the more technically mined buyers will install bsd , linux , solaris , or whatever floats their boats , and the ignorant masses can continue to enjoy their favorite cartoons : microsoft bob , the blinking paper clip , and the dog that scratches the ground during file searches .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a lot of posters have pointed out, linux fit the bill in the beginning when netbooks had less horsepower.
The manufacturers needed an OS that could run on such minimal hardware.
Now they can run M$.
So now the netbook market is like the PC market in that netbooks will ship with M$, and the more technically mined buyers will install bsd, linux, solaris, or whatever floats their boats, and the ignorant masses can continue to enjoy their favorite cartoons: microsoft bob, the blinking paper clip, and the dog that scratches the ground during file searches.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401269</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28401717</id>
	<title>A better analogy?</title>
	<author>MacTO</author>
	<datestamp>1245512040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Microsoft isn't really shooting the competing horse.  They know that they can't do that because it is illegal.  It would also draw the government's attention to the problem of fixed horse races, and open the door to more legislation.  No one really wants that.</p><p>The hardware vendors are more like the race track operators.  They provide a venue in which anyone can compete, and will gladly let anyone participate if it reflects their business interests.  Except that they have one little problem: the owner of the most popular horses is a spoil sport.  Microsoft said that they would charge the race track operators more, or even pull their horses out of the race, if Linux's horses competes.  Since Microsoft's horses bring in more money than Linux's horses, the business interests of the race track operators is quite clear and Linux's horses cannot compete.</p><p>Which may actually explain why Microsoft's OSes are so expensive in retail channels.  Microsoft has virtually no control over who buys retail copies of Windows.  At least not without facing a major anti-trust suit.  So if a vendor wanted to sell Linux or Windows, based upon the customer's request, Microsoft could refuse to sell cheap licenses to them.  The vendor could still buy retail copies or Windows, but it would drive up the cost of their Windows systems by 20\% or more.  So their Windows customers would evaporate since other vendors will always be cheaper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Microsoft is n't really shooting the competing horse .
They know that they ca n't do that because it is illegal .
It would also draw the government 's attention to the problem of fixed horse races , and open the door to more legislation .
No one really wants that.The hardware vendors are more like the race track operators .
They provide a venue in which anyone can compete , and will gladly let anyone participate if it reflects their business interests .
Except that they have one little problem : the owner of the most popular horses is a spoil sport .
Microsoft said that they would charge the race track operators more , or even pull their horses out of the race , if Linux 's horses competes .
Since Microsoft 's horses bring in more money than Linux 's horses , the business interests of the race track operators is quite clear and Linux 's horses can not compete.Which may actually explain why Microsoft 's OSes are so expensive in retail channels .
Microsoft has virtually no control over who buys retail copies of Windows .
At least not without facing a major anti-trust suit .
So if a vendor wanted to sell Linux or Windows , based upon the customer 's request , Microsoft could refuse to sell cheap licenses to them .
The vendor could still buy retail copies or Windows , but it would drive up the cost of their Windows systems by 20 \ % or more .
So their Windows customers would evaporate since other vendors will always be cheaper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Microsoft isn't really shooting the competing horse.
They know that they can't do that because it is illegal.
It would also draw the government's attention to the problem of fixed horse races, and open the door to more legislation.
No one really wants that.The hardware vendors are more like the race track operators.
They provide a venue in which anyone can compete, and will gladly let anyone participate if it reflects their business interests.
Except that they have one little problem: the owner of the most popular horses is a spoil sport.
Microsoft said that they would charge the race track operators more, or even pull their horses out of the race, if Linux's horses competes.
Since Microsoft's horses bring in more money than Linux's horses, the business interests of the race track operators is quite clear and Linux's horses cannot compete.Which may actually explain why Microsoft's OSes are so expensive in retail channels.
Microsoft has virtually no control over who buys retail copies of Windows.
At least not without facing a major anti-trust suit.
So if a vendor wanted to sell Linux or Windows, based upon the customer's request, Microsoft could refuse to sell cheap licenses to them.
The vendor could still buy retail copies or Windows, but it would drive up the cost of their Windows systems by 20\% or more.
So their Windows customers would evaporate since other vendors will always be cheaper.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_20_0250205.28402457</id>
	<title>Re:This is so frustrating</title>
	<author>NickFortune</author>
	<datestamp>1245518340000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
The only people I know with extra monitors are geeks.  Hell, I've offered to set up a dual monitor rig for
non-geeks before and been turned down.
They were afraid they'd get confused with a second monitor.
</p><p>
I suspect that most people who have the urge to use two monitors on Linux,
by the same token, are not the sort of people who are going to be put off by
the need to edit a config file.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The only people I know with extra monitors are geeks .
Hell , I 've offered to set up a dual monitor rig for non-geeks before and been turned down .
They were afraid they 'd get confused with a second monitor .
I suspect that most people who have the urge to use two monitors on Linux , by the same token , are not the sort of people who are going to be put off by the need to edit a config file .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
The only people I know with extra monitors are geeks.
Hell, I've offered to set up a dual monitor rig for
non-geeks before and been turned down.
They were afraid they'd get confused with a second monitor.
I suspect that most people who have the urge to use two monitors on Linux,
by the same token, are not the sort of people who are going to be put off by
the need to edit a config file.
</sentencetext>
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