<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_19_0548233</id>
	<title>China To Crack Down On "Undesirable" Games</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1245439080000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>The Chinese government is getting ready to launch <a href="http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/china-crackdowns-on-undesirable-games-20090618-ckw6.html">a new round of content restrictions for online games</a>. Kou Xiaowei, a senior official with the General Administration of Press and Publication, said, "Although China's online gaming industry had been hot in recent years, online games are regarded by many as a sort of spiritual opium and the whole industry is marginalized by mainstream society." The article points out that China has already "banned children from Internet cafes and last year ordered their owners to enforce time restrictions after several cases involving obsessive players dying of fatigue after marathon game sessions." We've also seen Chinese <a href="//games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/08/04/1321228&amp;tid=153">restrictions on player-versus-player content</a> for kids, as well as required content modifications such as <a href="http://www.massively.com/2009/03/10/wrath-of-the-lich-king-rejected-thus-far-by-chinese-government/">removing skeletons</a> in order for games to be sold there.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Chinese government is getting ready to launch a new round of content restrictions for online games .
Kou Xiaowei , a senior official with the General Administration of Press and Publication , said , " Although China 's online gaming industry had been hot in recent years , online games are regarded by many as a sort of spiritual opium and the whole industry is marginalized by mainstream society .
" The article points out that China has already " banned children from Internet cafes and last year ordered their owners to enforce time restrictions after several cases involving obsessive players dying of fatigue after marathon game sessions .
" We 've also seen Chinese restrictions on player-versus-player content for kids , as well as required content modifications such as removing skeletons in order for games to be sold there .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Chinese government is getting ready to launch a new round of content restrictions for online games.
Kou Xiaowei, a senior official with the General Administration of Press and Publication, said, "Although China's online gaming industry had been hot in recent years, online games are regarded by many as a sort of spiritual opium and the whole industry is marginalized by mainstream society.
" The article points out that China has already "banned children from Internet cafes and last year ordered their owners to enforce time restrictions after several cases involving obsessive players dying of fatigue after marathon game sessions.
" We've also seen Chinese restrictions on player-versus-player content for kids, as well as required content modifications such as removing skeletons in order for games to be sold there.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28386919</id>
	<title>Re:What's with the skeleton hate?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245406080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>As far as I know anything related to death is taboo in China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>As far as I know anything related to death is taboo in China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As far as I know anything related to death is taboo in China.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28390771</id>
	<title>Re:When in China...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245429780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wait, you are saying that China is too populous for a democracy to work yet you imply by this that a centralized government run by a handful of autocrats can?  Why do you need committees for committess?  There is no reason population has anything to do with this.  200 hundred years ago I'm sure some people if told the US pop would someday be 350+ mill they might've said "That's too large, it'll never work!", but it does function obviously.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wait , you are saying that China is too populous for a democracy to work yet you imply by this that a centralized government run by a handful of autocrats can ?
Why do you need committees for committess ?
There is no reason population has anything to do with this .
200 hundred years ago I 'm sure some people if told the US pop would someday be 350 + mill they might 've said " That 's too large , it 'll never work !
" , but it does function obviously .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wait, you are saying that China is too populous for a democracy to work yet you imply by this that a centralized government run by a handful of autocrats can?
Why do you need committees for committess?
There is no reason population has anything to do with this.
200 hundred years ago I'm sure some people if told the US pop would someday be 350+ mill they might've said "That's too large, it'll never work!
", but it does function obviously.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28386421</id>
	<title>Cracking down on games?</title>
	<author>DreamsAreOkToo</author>
	<datestamp>1245443280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Or is this a ploy to decrease "imports?"</p><p>Somehow, I just don't see China treating World of Fight on equal grounds with World of Warcraft.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Or is this a ploy to decrease " imports ?
" Somehow , I just do n't see China treating World of Fight on equal grounds with World of Warcraft .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Or is this a ploy to decrease "imports?
"Somehow, I just don't see China treating World of Fight on equal grounds with World of Warcraft.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28388515</id>
	<title>Re:When in China...</title>
	<author>castironpigeon</author>
	<datestamp>1245420240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>China is too populous to be a democracy. According to Google there are roughly 300 million people in the US and 1,300 million people living in China. Forget about the size of the country for a minute and think about the size of the government that would be required to coordinate the efforts of so many people in some kind of meaningful way.<br> <br>Of course, you could say that in a direct democracy or some kind of technocratic democracy people would all be so wired that they could make direct, informed decisions into a central computer that would compile everyone's decision and act according to the majority. C'mon, now. We can't even get electronic voting. We need committees elected by people. Committees to oversee those committees. And in a government as large as a democratic republic of China would be, you'd need committees to oversee committees to oversee committees and so on until government would be so bogged down they'd make US Congress look like a 24-hour Vegas wedding chapel.<br> <br>So for now your choices are to have a China that keeps revolting, split the country into smaller chunks that can be more efficiently governed, or deal with a government that spends most of its effort creating social order and lets everything else fall where it may.</htmltext>
<tokenext>China is too populous to be a democracy .
According to Google there are roughly 300 million people in the US and 1,300 million people living in China .
Forget about the size of the country for a minute and think about the size of the government that would be required to coordinate the efforts of so many people in some kind of meaningful way .
Of course , you could say that in a direct democracy or some kind of technocratic democracy people would all be so wired that they could make direct , informed decisions into a central computer that would compile everyone 's decision and act according to the majority .
C'mon , now .
We ca n't even get electronic voting .
We need committees elected by people .
Committees to oversee those committees .
And in a government as large as a democratic republic of China would be , you 'd need committees to oversee committees to oversee committees and so on until government would be so bogged down they 'd make US Congress look like a 24-hour Vegas wedding chapel .
So for now your choices are to have a China that keeps revolting , split the country into smaller chunks that can be more efficiently governed , or deal with a government that spends most of its effort creating social order and lets everything else fall where it may .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China is too populous to be a democracy.
According to Google there are roughly 300 million people in the US and 1,300 million people living in China.
Forget about the size of the country for a minute and think about the size of the government that would be required to coordinate the efforts of so many people in some kind of meaningful way.
Of course, you could say that in a direct democracy or some kind of technocratic democracy people would all be so wired that they could make direct, informed decisions into a central computer that would compile everyone's decision and act according to the majority.
C'mon, now.
We can't even get electronic voting.
We need committees elected by people.
Committees to oversee those committees.
And in a government as large as a democratic republic of China would be, you'd need committees to oversee committees to oversee committees and so on until government would be so bogged down they'd make US Congress look like a 24-hour Vegas wedding chapel.
So for now your choices are to have a China that keeps revolting, split the country into smaller chunks that can be more efficiently governed, or deal with a government that spends most of its effort creating social order and lets everything else fall where it may.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28394383</id>
	<title>Kicking kids out of net cafe's</title>
	<author>ihatewinXP</author>
	<datestamp>1245444240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ok this one I will definitely go with.</p><p>After living in Beijing for three years and becoming a Call Of Duty 4 freak (a nasty opium like habit that some Chinese friends gave me)I have seen that their net cafe's are \_sketchy\_.</p><p>The smaller ones will sell you pornography. EVERYONE is smoking like a chimney (I know I was lighting up between rounds) and in general they are just dark, seedy, places that I wouldnt want my kid within 100 yards of.</p><p>I know its easy to say 'think of the children!' but in this case ill actually go along.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ok this one I will definitely go with.After living in Beijing for three years and becoming a Call Of Duty 4 freak ( a nasty opium like habit that some Chinese friends gave me ) I have seen that their net cafe 's are \ _sketchy \ _.The smaller ones will sell you pornography .
EVERYONE is smoking like a chimney ( I know I was lighting up between rounds ) and in general they are just dark , seedy , places that I wouldnt want my kid within 100 yards of.I know its easy to say 'think of the children !
' but in this case ill actually go along .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ok this one I will definitely go with.After living in Beijing for three years and becoming a Call Of Duty 4 freak (a nasty opium like habit that some Chinese friends gave me)I have seen that their net cafe's are \_sketchy\_.The smaller ones will sell you pornography.
EVERYONE is smoking like a chimney (I know I was lighting up between rounds) and in general they are just dark, seedy, places that I wouldnt want my kid within 100 yards of.I know its easy to say 'think of the children!
' but in this case ill actually go along.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28386391</id>
	<title>Goatse Corp to crack down on mooning</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245442920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Offtopic</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The <a href="http://goatse.fr/" title="goatse.fr" rel="nofollow">Goatse</a> [goatse.fr] Foundation has just announced a petition to crack down on unauthorized mooning. Punishments for violators will be severe.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Goatse [ goatse.fr ] Foundation has just announced a petition to crack down on unauthorized mooning .
Punishments for violators will be severe .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Goatse [goatse.fr] Foundation has just announced a petition to crack down on unauthorized mooning.
Punishments for violators will be severe.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28386673</id>
	<title>What's with the skeleton hate?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245403020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can someone who understands Chinese culture a little better than I explain why skeletons are considered so taboo?</p><p>I've heard of the problems that WoW has had including them, as well as other games such as Magic the Gathering being told to take the bones out if they want to sell in the Middle Kingdom.  I haven't heard much of an explanation other than that skeletons aren't allowed...</p><p>Anyone care to give a bit more of an explanation?  (I've tried a quick google, but all I get is people reporting that WoW got rejected in China.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can someone who understands Chinese culture a little better than I explain why skeletons are considered so taboo ? I 've heard of the problems that WoW has had including them , as well as other games such as Magic the Gathering being told to take the bones out if they want to sell in the Middle Kingdom .
I have n't heard much of an explanation other than that skeletons are n't allowed...Anyone care to give a bit more of an explanation ?
( I 've tried a quick google , but all I get is people reporting that WoW got rejected in China .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can someone who understands Chinese culture a little better than I explain why skeletons are considered so taboo?I've heard of the problems that WoW has had including them, as well as other games such as Magic the Gathering being told to take the bones out if they want to sell in the Middle Kingdom.
I haven't heard much of an explanation other than that skeletons aren't allowed...Anyone care to give a bit more of an explanation?
(I've tried a quick google, but all I get is people reporting that WoW got rejected in China.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28398513</id>
	<title>Re:When in China...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245424440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>CHAOS? We virtually fear EVERYTHING. "Don't talk about politics", "Don't talk to strangers", "Don't criticise government", "Don't get into the others' businesses", "Don't be lucid", "Don't trust anybody"... I can go on and on, and it will all begin with "don't".  And the greatest fear of ours is not CHAOS, it is "politics".</p><p>But why? Because we are Chinese, a people living in oppression for thousands of years. We even think like our masters, for that serves their purposes: chaos is bad, stability is of utmost importance.</p><p>And guess who will be more intolerant of my opinions? Not you, slashdotters. but my "fellow-citizens".</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>CHAOS ?
We virtually fear EVERYTHING .
" Do n't talk about politics " , " Do n't talk to strangers " , " Do n't criticise government " , " Do n't get into the others ' businesses " , " Do n't be lucid " , " Do n't trust anybody " ... I can go on and on , and it will all begin with " do n't " .
And the greatest fear of ours is not CHAOS , it is " politics " .But why ?
Because we are Chinese , a people living in oppression for thousands of years .
We even think like our masters , for that serves their purposes : chaos is bad , stability is of utmost importance.And guess who will be more intolerant of my opinions ?
Not you , slashdotters .
but my " fellow-citizens " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>CHAOS?
We virtually fear EVERYTHING.
"Don't talk about politics", "Don't talk to strangers", "Don't criticise government", "Don't get into the others' businesses", "Don't be lucid", "Don't trust anybody"... I can go on and on, and it will all begin with "don't".
And the greatest fear of ours is not CHAOS, it is "politics".But why?
Because we are Chinese, a people living in oppression for thousands of years.
We even think like our masters, for that serves their purposes: chaos is bad, stability is of utmost importance.And guess who will be more intolerant of my opinions?
Not you, slashdotters.
but my "fellow-citizens".</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28387303</id>
	<title>Re:When in China...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245410520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>chinese plant-- who said china's govt doesnt know h how to asstroturf? Thanks Bob Hu.</p><p>"vary" obvious.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>chinese plant-- who said china 's govt doesnt know h how to asstroturf ?
Thanks Bob Hu .
" vary " obvious .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>chinese plant-- who said china's govt doesnt know h how to asstroturf?
Thanks Bob Hu.
"vary" obvious.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28386407</id>
	<title>When in China...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245443100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Do as the Chinese do....actually China has come a long way in the last decade, and its difficult to really get a clear perspective from our cultural context.  I just hope that our relations with them, and the rest of the world improve, and that we are all tolerant of one another.  One thing I do know about the Chinese, having been vary close to a gentleman from Shanghai, a graduate business student who now works here, is that in China their greatest fear is CHAOS.  That one is not on the top of our list, but it gives a little insight as to why they may often seem heavy handed.  Lets try to understand where they are coming from, when we hear about how they seem to be. I always liked Chinese food, and the people are cool too.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Do as the Chinese do....actually China has come a long way in the last decade , and its difficult to really get a clear perspective from our cultural context .
I just hope that our relations with them , and the rest of the world improve , and that we are all tolerant of one another .
One thing I do know about the Chinese , having been vary close to a gentleman from Shanghai , a graduate business student who now works here , is that in China their greatest fear is CHAOS .
That one is not on the top of our list , but it gives a little insight as to why they may often seem heavy handed .
Lets try to understand where they are coming from , when we hear about how they seem to be .
I always liked Chinese food , and the people are cool too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do as the Chinese do....actually China has come a long way in the last decade, and its difficult to really get a clear perspective from our cultural context.
I just hope that our relations with them, and the rest of the world improve, and that we are all tolerant of one another.
One thing I do know about the Chinese, having been vary close to a gentleman from Shanghai, a graduate business student who now works here, is that in China their greatest fear is CHAOS.
That one is not on the top of our list, but it gives a little insight as to why they may often seem heavy handed.
Lets try to understand where they are coming from, when we hear about how they seem to be.
I always liked Chinese food, and the people are cool too.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28388019</id>
	<title>Re:HAHAHA you will become US China. I mean U.S.</title>
	<author>Threni</author>
	<datestamp>1245417480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You're talking about China like it's this little unimportant thing.  China owns the US in terms of debt and exports.  In the coming decades, China is going to be the number 1 superpower, and the US will be *nowhere*.  Trust me.</p><p>You might want to read this:<br><a href="http://www.chrismartenson.com/" title="chrismartenson.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.chrismartenson.com/</a> [chrismartenson.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You 're talking about China like it 's this little unimportant thing .
China owns the US in terms of debt and exports .
In the coming decades , China is going to be the number 1 superpower , and the US will be * nowhere * .
Trust me.You might want to read this : http : //www.chrismartenson.com/ [ chrismartenson.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You're talking about China like it's this little unimportant thing.
China owns the US in terms of debt and exports.
In the coming decades, China is going to be the number 1 superpower, and the US will be *nowhere*.
Trust me.You might want to read this:http://www.chrismartenson.com/ [chrismartenson.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28389387</id>
	<title>Re:HAHAHA you will become US China. I mean U.S.</title>
	<author>somersault</author>
	<datestamp>1245423960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Laudable actually means praiseworthy btw, I'm guessing you meant laughable.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Laudable actually means praiseworthy btw , I 'm guessing you meant laughable .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Laudable actually means praiseworthy btw, I'm guessing you meant laughable.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28388335</id>
	<title>Re:What's with the skeleton hate?</title>
	<author>jandersen</author>
	<datestamp>1245419400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm not sure why or even if the Chinese have a particular problem with skeletons; Having been married to a Chinese for 10 years and lived in Beijing, I have never come across this. If they have an issue with skeletons, I'm not sure we have to invent intricate explanations - all cultures have some things they consider particularly unclean and unacceptable. One thing I found surprising was that in Japanese Shinto the penis is apparently revered, even to the extent that they will carry a huge, vividly painted model of one round in the streets during religious festivals, but they are very prudish when it comes to the female counterpart. It's just one of those things, and even if we can't always understand it, we can still respect it.</p><p>But I think your attempt at interpreting this in the light of the Chinese as a wildly repressive, fascistic regime is plagued by a number of factual errors. Communists and socialists are traditionally anti-religious, not because they hate God, but because they have observed how religion, and Christian religion in particular, has usually been employed to uphold oppressive and unjust regimes.</p><p>But as far as I can see, the Chinese government has never been simply anti-religious; the problem they can see with religion, however, is that certain religions require the undivided loyalty of their followers, often in opposition to the society of which they are citizens. I don't anyone who knows anything about Chinese history can blame them if they tend to a bit sceptical about the influence of, say, Americans evangelists, who demand that their followers are blindly loyal only to their McJesus and fiercely opposed to anything that smacks of non-American values.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm not sure why or even if the Chinese have a particular problem with skeletons ; Having been married to a Chinese for 10 years and lived in Beijing , I have never come across this .
If they have an issue with skeletons , I 'm not sure we have to invent intricate explanations - all cultures have some things they consider particularly unclean and unacceptable .
One thing I found surprising was that in Japanese Shinto the penis is apparently revered , even to the extent that they will carry a huge , vividly painted model of one round in the streets during religious festivals , but they are very prudish when it comes to the female counterpart .
It 's just one of those things , and even if we ca n't always understand it , we can still respect it.But I think your attempt at interpreting this in the light of the Chinese as a wildly repressive , fascistic regime is plagued by a number of factual errors .
Communists and socialists are traditionally anti-religious , not because they hate God , but because they have observed how religion , and Christian religion in particular , has usually been employed to uphold oppressive and unjust regimes.But as far as I can see , the Chinese government has never been simply anti-religious ; the problem they can see with religion , however , is that certain religions require the undivided loyalty of their followers , often in opposition to the society of which they are citizens .
I do n't anyone who knows anything about Chinese history can blame them if they tend to a bit sceptical about the influence of , say , Americans evangelists , who demand that their followers are blindly loyal only to their McJesus and fiercely opposed to anything that smacks of non-American values .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm not sure why or even if the Chinese have a particular problem with skeletons; Having been married to a Chinese for 10 years and lived in Beijing, I have never come across this.
If they have an issue with skeletons, I'm not sure we have to invent intricate explanations - all cultures have some things they consider particularly unclean and unacceptable.
One thing I found surprising was that in Japanese Shinto the penis is apparently revered, even to the extent that they will carry a huge, vividly painted model of one round in the streets during religious festivals, but they are very prudish when it comes to the female counterpart.
It's just one of those things, and even if we can't always understand it, we can still respect it.But I think your attempt at interpreting this in the light of the Chinese as a wildly repressive, fascistic regime is plagued by a number of factual errors.
Communists and socialists are traditionally anti-religious, not because they hate God, but because they have observed how religion, and Christian religion in particular, has usually been employed to uphold oppressive and unjust regimes.But as far as I can see, the Chinese government has never been simply anti-religious; the problem they can see with religion, however, is that certain religions require the undivided loyalty of their followers, often in opposition to the society of which they are citizens.
I don't anyone who knows anything about Chinese history can blame them if they tend to a bit sceptical about the influence of, say, Americans evangelists, who demand that their followers are blindly loyal only to their McJesus and fiercely opposed to anything that smacks of non-American values.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:HAHAHA you will become US China. I mean U.S.</title>
	<author>bronney</author>
	<datestamp>1245409740000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i>So what if they censor games now? The subsequent Chinese generations are going to be just as if not MORE into capitalism and consumerism than today's (just like with the US). </i><br>.<br>You write as though the PRC still gives a shit.  I agree with you, I just don't agree with the way you say it.  It's not that they are trying to convert the capitalists to communists or vice versa, they simply don't give a shit what you are.  That is the problem.  What the "officials" are concerned about, much like normal politicians, is more power and more money.<br>.<br><i>At some point, some government official is going to realize that it's a huge waste of money trying to censor everything, and that department will get cut.</i><br>.<br>If you and me who don't work in the office realize this, they realize this by working there.  They know it's a huge waste of money.  But if you were them, you won't go around telling people that.  You will say we're making tremendous efforts and progress in the well-being of the Chinese citizens by censoring harmful materials from the chaotic internet.  Why?  Because you got bills to pay too.<br>.<br>It's sad isn't it but that's how the world works.  Much like recycling, I admit there must be some recycling method and system that makes the earth "greener" but I am pretty sure there're systems that don't work.  In fact there're recycling systems that makes it worse.  But if you're working in there, you won't say nothing.  You can quit, but "saying" things won't change the ethics as there are thousands more working with you in there that have bills to pay too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So what if they censor games now ?
The subsequent Chinese generations are going to be just as if not MORE into capitalism and consumerism than today 's ( just like with the US ) .
.You write as though the PRC still gives a shit .
I agree with you , I just do n't agree with the way you say it .
It 's not that they are trying to convert the capitalists to communists or vice versa , they simply do n't give a shit what you are .
That is the problem .
What the " officials " are concerned about , much like normal politicians , is more power and more money..At some point , some government official is going to realize that it 's a huge waste of money trying to censor everything , and that department will get cut..If you and me who do n't work in the office realize this , they realize this by working there .
They know it 's a huge waste of money .
But if you were them , you wo n't go around telling people that .
You will say we 're making tremendous efforts and progress in the well-being of the Chinese citizens by censoring harmful materials from the chaotic internet .
Why ? Because you got bills to pay too..It 's sad is n't it but that 's how the world works .
Much like recycling , I admit there must be some recycling method and system that makes the earth " greener " but I am pretty sure there 're systems that do n't work .
In fact there 're recycling systems that makes it worse .
But if you 're working in there , you wo n't say nothing .
You can quit , but " saying " things wo n't change the ethics as there are thousands more working with you in there that have bills to pay too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So what if they censor games now?
The subsequent Chinese generations are going to be just as if not MORE into capitalism and consumerism than today's (just like with the US).
.You write as though the PRC still gives a shit.
I agree with you, I just don't agree with the way you say it.
It's not that they are trying to convert the capitalists to communists or vice versa, they simply don't give a shit what you are.
That is the problem.
What the "officials" are concerned about, much like normal politicians, is more power and more money..At some point, some government official is going to realize that it's a huge waste of money trying to censor everything, and that department will get cut..If you and me who don't work in the office realize this, they realize this by working there.
They know it's a huge waste of money.
But if you were them, you won't go around telling people that.
You will say we're making tremendous efforts and progress in the well-being of the Chinese citizens by censoring harmful materials from the chaotic internet.
Why?  Because you got bills to pay too..It's sad isn't it but that's how the world works.
Much like recycling, I admit there must be some recycling method and system that makes the earth "greener" but I am pretty sure there're systems that don't work.
In fact there're recycling systems that makes it worse.
But if you're working in there, you won't say nothing.
You can quit, but "saying" things won't change the ethics as there are thousands more working with you in there that have bills to pay too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28387683</id>
	<title>I know</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245414900000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>how about a game where you push suicidal people off bridges?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>how about a game where you push suicidal people off bridges ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>how about a game where you push suicidal people off bridges?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28389519</id>
	<title>Ancestor Worship</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245424560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>If China ever had a state religion, (and it did back in the Imperial days) it would be ancestor worship. The Chinese have a strong belief in the power of the dead. A skeleton shows disrespect of the dead as obviously this body was unburied and now the spirit is angry and in the world. It's sort of like consigning the person to an eternal hell. Proper burials are a big thing. It is indeed a cultural taboo, maybe like how witchcraft and wicca is taboo in large portions of America. The Chinese government, up to the Last Emperor in the early 1900's, seriously believed in the Mandate of Heaven and superstition. Supernatural evidence such as ominous dreams and the testimony of ghosts was used in court cases as late as the 1890's. The Dowager Empress' support of the Boxers during the Boxer rebellion, was based on her belief that they literally posessed magical kung fu powers- that they could deflect bullets, and defeat the colonial powers in the country.

The government may have rejected superstition, but as we in America know, just because the government rejects religion, doesn't mean the whole country is not tainted by it. Replace ALL of our Christian influenced stuff with Ancestor Worship/Taoist/Buddhist synchrotism influenced stuff, and you get China.

The Chinese government has long been the protector of cultural sensibilities, it's one role that the Chinese government takes on today. Cultural control is a key part of Confuscian society, not just government. Even Democratic Asian countries such as Japan, Taiwan and South Korea promote 'social repression and lack of individual expression' as it were, through strict educational regimes based on memorization, and encouraging a highly disciplined and hierarchal family structure.

To the CCP's credit, they've done much more for women's rights and the equal rights of minority in China (societally) than the above mentioned Asian democratic countries. The above countries harshly disapprove of things like interracial marriage and women acting outside of or neglecting 'the traditional role', and never had anything like the Civil Rights movement to change old perceptions on race/eugenics.

That doesn't justify censorship of course. If they could just get with the program and institute some kind of genuine elections and government respect for human rights, then mainland China would be one of the most open and free countries in Asia.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If China ever had a state religion , ( and it did back in the Imperial days ) it would be ancestor worship .
The Chinese have a strong belief in the power of the dead .
A skeleton shows disrespect of the dead as obviously this body was unburied and now the spirit is angry and in the world .
It 's sort of like consigning the person to an eternal hell .
Proper burials are a big thing .
It is indeed a cultural taboo , maybe like how witchcraft and wicca is taboo in large portions of America .
The Chinese government , up to the Last Emperor in the early 1900 's , seriously believed in the Mandate of Heaven and superstition .
Supernatural evidence such as ominous dreams and the testimony of ghosts was used in court cases as late as the 1890 's .
The Dowager Empress ' support of the Boxers during the Boxer rebellion , was based on her belief that they literally posessed magical kung fu powers- that they could deflect bullets , and defeat the colonial powers in the country .
The government may have rejected superstition , but as we in America know , just because the government rejects religion , does n't mean the whole country is not tainted by it .
Replace ALL of our Christian influenced stuff with Ancestor Worship/Taoist/Buddhist synchrotism influenced stuff , and you get China .
The Chinese government has long been the protector of cultural sensibilities , it 's one role that the Chinese government takes on today .
Cultural control is a key part of Confuscian society , not just government .
Even Democratic Asian countries such as Japan , Taiwan and South Korea promote 'social repression and lack of individual expression ' as it were , through strict educational regimes based on memorization , and encouraging a highly disciplined and hierarchal family structure .
To the CCP 's credit , they 've done much more for women 's rights and the equal rights of minority in China ( societally ) than the above mentioned Asian democratic countries .
The above countries harshly disapprove of things like interracial marriage and women acting outside of or neglecting 'the traditional role ' , and never had anything like the Civil Rights movement to change old perceptions on race/eugenics .
That does n't justify censorship of course .
If they could just get with the program and institute some kind of genuine elections and government respect for human rights , then mainland China would be one of the most open and free countries in Asia .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If China ever had a state religion, (and it did back in the Imperial days) it would be ancestor worship.
The Chinese have a strong belief in the power of the dead.
A skeleton shows disrespect of the dead as obviously this body was unburied and now the spirit is angry and in the world.
It's sort of like consigning the person to an eternal hell.
Proper burials are a big thing.
It is indeed a cultural taboo, maybe like how witchcraft and wicca is taboo in large portions of America.
The Chinese government, up to the Last Emperor in the early 1900's, seriously believed in the Mandate of Heaven and superstition.
Supernatural evidence such as ominous dreams and the testimony of ghosts was used in court cases as late as the 1890's.
The Dowager Empress' support of the Boxers during the Boxer rebellion, was based on her belief that they literally posessed magical kung fu powers- that they could deflect bullets, and defeat the colonial powers in the country.
The government may have rejected superstition, but as we in America know, just because the government rejects religion, doesn't mean the whole country is not tainted by it.
Replace ALL of our Christian influenced stuff with Ancestor Worship/Taoist/Buddhist synchrotism influenced stuff, and you get China.
The Chinese government has long been the protector of cultural sensibilities, it's one role that the Chinese government takes on today.
Cultural control is a key part of Confuscian society, not just government.
Even Democratic Asian countries such as Japan, Taiwan and South Korea promote 'social repression and lack of individual expression' as it were, through strict educational regimes based on memorization, and encouraging a highly disciplined and hierarchal family structure.
To the CCP's credit, they've done much more for women's rights and the equal rights of minority in China (societally) than the above mentioned Asian democratic countries.
The above countries harshly disapprove of things like interracial marriage and women acting outside of or neglecting 'the traditional role', and never had anything like the Civil Rights movement to change old perceptions on race/eugenics.
That doesn't justify censorship of course.
If they could just get with the program and institute some kind of genuine elections and government respect for human rights, then mainland China would be one of the most open and free countries in Asia.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28387301</id>
	<title>Re:When in China...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245410520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...get the fuck out as fast as you can. China might look cool to a casual tourist but you'd have to be Chinese to tell us what's really happening. Globalization is fucking China and China is fucking its poorest people and 'dissidents', no doubt. Censorship is a nasty thing, not cool.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...get the fuck out as fast as you can .
China might look cool to a casual tourist but you 'd have to be Chinese to tell us what 's really happening .
Globalization is fucking China and China is fucking its poorest people and 'dissidents ' , no doubt .
Censorship is a nasty thing , not cool .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...get the fuck out as fast as you can.
China might look cool to a casual tourist but you'd have to be Chinese to tell us what's really happening.
Globalization is fucking China and China is fucking its poorest people and 'dissidents', no doubt.
Censorship is a nasty thing, not cool.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28389249</id>
	<title>Re:When in China...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245423360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>What is it with Asians and conformity anyway? It must be some eastern religion thing, but it seems like China, Japan, Korea, etc. are absolutely OBSESSED with conformity, almost manically so. It's one of the reasons I hate their videogames. Every Japanese RPG is completely on-rails and plays pretty much exactly the same as the last. In the West, we love the sandbox game that allows for multiple approaches to any given problem. In Japan, it's all about "Go here, just like you're supposed to, and watch this long cut scene where we control the action!" You would just never see a game like Oblivion, Mass Effect, or Grand Theft Auto come out of Japan.</htmltext>
<tokenext>What is it with Asians and conformity anyway ?
It must be some eastern religion thing , but it seems like China , Japan , Korea , etc .
are absolutely OBSESSED with conformity , almost manically so .
It 's one of the reasons I hate their videogames .
Every Japanese RPG is completely on-rails and plays pretty much exactly the same as the last .
In the West , we love the sandbox game that allows for multiple approaches to any given problem .
In Japan , it 's all about " Go here , just like you 're supposed to , and watch this long cut scene where we control the action !
" You would just never see a game like Oblivion , Mass Effect , or Grand Theft Auto come out of Japan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What is it with Asians and conformity anyway?
It must be some eastern religion thing, but it seems like China, Japan, Korea, etc.
are absolutely OBSESSED with conformity, almost manically so.
It's one of the reasons I hate their videogames.
Every Japanese RPG is completely on-rails and plays pretty much exactly the same as the last.
In the West, we love the sandbox game that allows for multiple approaches to any given problem.
In Japan, it's all about "Go here, just like you're supposed to, and watch this long cut scene where we control the action!
" You would just never see a game like Oblivion, Mass Effect, or Grand Theft Auto come out of Japan.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28392591</id>
	<title>Re:When in China...</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1245437700000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>You do it by making a representative republic, not a direct democracy.<br> <br>
The major advantage of a democracy is not that it's fair, or representative (I mean, the US had slavery under a democracy: how fair is that?); the advantage is that when enough people want change, they can change it without resorting to violence.  It changes from a tyranny of one to a tyranny of the majority, but when the majority want something different, they can get it without having to face murderous police like in Iran.<br> <br>
Besides, China is an expert at beaurocratical management.  They have entire philosophies dedicated to it.  Confucius was a management expert.  They should be able to handle it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>You do it by making a representative republic , not a direct democracy .
The major advantage of a democracy is not that it 's fair , or representative ( I mean , the US had slavery under a democracy : how fair is that ?
) ; the advantage is that when enough people want change , they can change it without resorting to violence .
It changes from a tyranny of one to a tyranny of the majority , but when the majority want something different , they can get it without having to face murderous police like in Iran .
Besides , China is an expert at beaurocratical management .
They have entire philosophies dedicated to it .
Confucius was a management expert .
They should be able to handle it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You do it by making a representative republic, not a direct democracy.
The major advantage of a democracy is not that it's fair, or representative (I mean, the US had slavery under a democracy: how fair is that?
); the advantage is that when enough people want change, they can change it without resorting to violence.
It changes from a tyranny of one to a tyranny of the majority, but when the majority want something different, they can get it without having to face murderous police like in Iran.
Besides, China is an expert at beaurocratical management.
They have entire philosophies dedicated to it.
Confucius was a management expert.
They should be able to handle it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28394083</id>
	<title>New Game Offered For Chinese Government Approval</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245443220000</datestamp>
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	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How about an MMORPG featuring Kou Xiaowei as the boss skeleton in the tutorial at the beginning; you have to blow his head off 4 times a-la Frontal Assault, at which point he morphs into a flaming skeleton hurling rotten bowels at you. You combine a Free Tibet rune with a Falun Gong scroll to create the Staff of Tienamin Vengeance and use it to explode him into nothingness.  The entire thing is subtitled with randomly generated Chinese characters, just because Chinese characters look cool. The clients can also operate as servers, so anyone can fire up a host, it'll be designed to work great through proxies, and it'll use UDP port 53 for everything, so you have to block DNS to shut it down. Suck it down, Chinese government!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How about an MMORPG featuring Kou Xiaowei as the boss skeleton in the tutorial at the beginning ; you have to blow his head off 4 times a-la Frontal Assault , at which point he morphs into a flaming skeleton hurling rotten bowels at you .
You combine a Free Tibet rune with a Falun Gong scroll to create the Staff of Tienamin Vengeance and use it to explode him into nothingness .
The entire thing is subtitled with randomly generated Chinese characters , just because Chinese characters look cool .
The clients can also operate as servers , so anyone can fire up a host , it 'll be designed to work great through proxies , and it 'll use UDP port 53 for everything , so you have to block DNS to shut it down .
Suck it down , Chinese government !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How about an MMORPG featuring Kou Xiaowei as the boss skeleton in the tutorial at the beginning; you have to blow his head off 4 times a-la Frontal Assault, at which point he morphs into a flaming skeleton hurling rotten bowels at you.
You combine a Free Tibet rune with a Falun Gong scroll to create the Staff of Tienamin Vengeance and use it to explode him into nothingness.
The entire thing is subtitled with randomly generated Chinese characters, just because Chinese characters look cool.
The clients can also operate as servers, so anyone can fire up a host, it'll be designed to work great through proxies, and it'll use UDP port 53 for everything, so you have to block DNS to shut it down.
Suck it down, Chinese government!</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28389881</id>
	<title>Re:What's with the skeleton hate?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245425940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...</p><p>My wife is Malaysian Chinese. I don't have a complete answer for you but I can make a couple of observations:</p><ul><li>Chinese cemeteries in Malaysia are unmaintained and overgrown. Once your relatives get buried there nobody goes back to clean out the weeds and repair damage. There are whole herds of buffalo in the Ipoh chinese cemetery which nobody seems to know about. I found one when I went over a small hill to take a leak.</li></ul></div><p>This kinda doesn't fit with Qing Ming festival... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qingming\_Festival</p><p>Having said that, my experience in mainland china is very similiar. Cemeteries are not popular places the other 51 weeks of the year.</p></div>
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<tokenext>...My wife is Malaysian Chinese .
I do n't have a complete answer for you but I can make a couple of observations : Chinese cemeteries in Malaysia are unmaintained and overgrown .
Once your relatives get buried there nobody goes back to clean out the weeds and repair damage .
There are whole herds of buffalo in the Ipoh chinese cemetery which nobody seems to know about .
I found one when I went over a small hill to take a leak.This kinda does n't fit with Qing Ming festival... http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qingming \ _FestivalHaving said that , my experience in mainland china is very similiar .
Cemeteries are not popular places the other 51 weeks of the year .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...My wife is Malaysian Chinese.
I don't have a complete answer for you but I can make a couple of observations:Chinese cemeteries in Malaysia are unmaintained and overgrown.
Once your relatives get buried there nobody goes back to clean out the weeds and repair damage.
There are whole herds of buffalo in the Ipoh chinese cemetery which nobody seems to know about.
I found one when I went over a small hill to take a leak.This kinda doesn't fit with Qing Ming festival... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qingming\_FestivalHaving said that, my experience in mainland china is very similiar.
Cemeteries are not popular places the other 51 weeks of the year.
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	<title>HAHAHA you will become US China. I mean U.S.</title>
	<author>t0qer</author>
	<datestamp>1245444660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Please slashdotters, click..<br><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death\_Race\_(1976\_game)" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death\_Race\_(1976\_game)</a> [wikipedia.org]</p><p>For a little video game history in the US.</p><p>Back in the day (3 years after I was born) this little gem of an arcade game was released.  It was protest by parents groups, it was on 20/20.  This was during that wacky time in the 70's when even stuff like AD&amp;D was considered by some religious extremists to be a "Gateway to Satanic Worship"</p><p>OK so granted, our country is now fucked.  China exports more goods to the US than we send to them.  That's OK though because I see a little bit of history repeating.</p><p>Certainly we shouldn't take pleasure in others miseries, but I can't help it.  You're (you are china) trying to restrict a game.  I should cite some more recent examples, like the "Nintendo Seal of Excellence" where the crosses in the American version of Castlevania were removed.</p><p>Hopefully in my inebriated state I've somehow managed to convey a message here, and that message is "So what if they censor games now?  The subsequent Chinese generations are going to be just as if not MORE into capitalism and consumerism than today's (just like with the US).  At some point, some government official is going to realize that it's a huge waste of money trying to censor everything, and that department will get cut.  It will probably have more to do with cost savings than some sort of moral obligation to the population.</p><p>Just look at how the internet has changed radio.  Howard Stern gave up on terrestrial radio and FCC censorship.  Same thing will happen in China.  Just watch, and laugh at their governments laudable efforts to control it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Please slashdotters , click..http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death \ _Race \ _ ( 1976 \ _game ) [ wikipedia.org ] For a little video game history in the US.Back in the day ( 3 years after I was born ) this little gem of an arcade game was released .
It was protest by parents groups , it was on 20/20 .
This was during that wacky time in the 70 's when even stuff like AD&amp;D was considered by some religious extremists to be a " Gateway to Satanic Worship " OK so granted , our country is now fucked .
China exports more goods to the US than we send to them .
That 's OK though because I see a little bit of history repeating.Certainly we should n't take pleasure in others miseries , but I ca n't help it .
You 're ( you are china ) trying to restrict a game .
I should cite some more recent examples , like the " Nintendo Seal of Excellence " where the crosses in the American version of Castlevania were removed.Hopefully in my inebriated state I 've somehow managed to convey a message here , and that message is " So what if they censor games now ?
The subsequent Chinese generations are going to be just as if not MORE into capitalism and consumerism than today 's ( just like with the US ) .
At some point , some government official is going to realize that it 's a huge waste of money trying to censor everything , and that department will get cut .
It will probably have more to do with cost savings than some sort of moral obligation to the population.Just look at how the internet has changed radio .
Howard Stern gave up on terrestrial radio and FCC censorship .
Same thing will happen in China .
Just watch , and laugh at their governments laudable efforts to control it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Please slashdotters, click..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death\_Race\_(1976\_game) [wikipedia.org]For a little video game history in the US.Back in the day (3 years after I was born) this little gem of an arcade game was released.
It was protest by parents groups, it was on 20/20.
This was during that wacky time in the 70's when even stuff like AD&amp;D was considered by some religious extremists to be a "Gateway to Satanic Worship"OK so granted, our country is now fucked.
China exports more goods to the US than we send to them.
That's OK though because I see a little bit of history repeating.Certainly we shouldn't take pleasure in others miseries, but I can't help it.
You're (you are china) trying to restrict a game.
I should cite some more recent examples, like the "Nintendo Seal of Excellence" where the crosses in the American version of Castlevania were removed.Hopefully in my inebriated state I've somehow managed to convey a message here, and that message is "So what if they censor games now?
The subsequent Chinese generations are going to be just as if not MORE into capitalism and consumerism than today's (just like with the US).
At some point, some government official is going to realize that it's a huge waste of money trying to censor everything, and that department will get cut.
It will probably have more to do with cost savings than some sort of moral obligation to the population.Just look at how the internet has changed radio.
Howard Stern gave up on terrestrial radio and FCC censorship.
Same thing will happen in China.
Just watch, and laugh at their governments laudable efforts to control it.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28387461</id>
	<title>Re:What's with the skeleton hate?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245412380000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>death in china ~ rape in the west</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>death in china ~ rape in the west</tokentext>
<sentencetext>death in china ~ rape in the west</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:What's with the skeleton hate?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245405360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can someone who understands Chinese culture a little better than I explain why skeletons are considered so taboo?</p></div><p>My wife is Malaysian Chinese. I don't have a complete answer for you but I can make a couple of observations:
</p><ul>
<li>Chinese cemeteries in Malaysia are unmaintained and overgrown. Once your relatives get buried there nobody goes back to clean out the weeds and repair damage. There are whole herds of buffalo in the Ipoh chinese cemetery which nobody seems to know about. I found one when I went over a small hill to take a leak.</li><li>They take ghost stories much more seriously than westerners. I got a tour of my wife's home city and was pointed to an empty house site. Apparently a rich man had built a house there but pulled it down when it turned out to be haunted. I said they should just rent it to westerners looking for a spooky experience. They acted like the crazy westerners wanted to get killed or something.</li><li>Walking through the streets I noticed a little shrine. It had burning stuff and fruit like an offering. I ask my wife what that was. She snapped <i>don't go near it. Ancestor worship</i> and we walked on.</li></ul><p>
Its just that the Chinese have a <b>thing</b> about death. Its not discussed in polite company. They avoid the number 4 because the way it is spoken it sounds like death.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Can someone who understands Chinese culture a little better than I explain why skeletons are considered so taboo ? My wife is Malaysian Chinese .
I do n't have a complete answer for you but I can make a couple of observations : Chinese cemeteries in Malaysia are unmaintained and overgrown .
Once your relatives get buried there nobody goes back to clean out the weeds and repair damage .
There are whole herds of buffalo in the Ipoh chinese cemetery which nobody seems to know about .
I found one when I went over a small hill to take a leak.They take ghost stories much more seriously than westerners .
I got a tour of my wife 's home city and was pointed to an empty house site .
Apparently a rich man had built a house there but pulled it down when it turned out to be haunted .
I said they should just rent it to westerners looking for a spooky experience .
They acted like the crazy westerners wanted to get killed or something.Walking through the streets I noticed a little shrine .
It had burning stuff and fruit like an offering .
I ask my wife what that was .
She snapped do n't go near it .
Ancestor worship and we walked on .
Its just that the Chinese have a thing about death .
Its not discussed in polite company .
They avoid the number 4 because the way it is spoken it sounds like death .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can someone who understands Chinese culture a little better than I explain why skeletons are considered so taboo?My wife is Malaysian Chinese.
I don't have a complete answer for you but I can make a couple of observations:

Chinese cemeteries in Malaysia are unmaintained and overgrown.
Once your relatives get buried there nobody goes back to clean out the weeds and repair damage.
There are whole herds of buffalo in the Ipoh chinese cemetery which nobody seems to know about.
I found one when I went over a small hill to take a leak.They take ghost stories much more seriously than westerners.
I got a tour of my wife's home city and was pointed to an empty house site.
Apparently a rich man had built a house there but pulled it down when it turned out to be haunted.
I said they should just rent it to westerners looking for a spooky experience.
They acted like the crazy westerners wanted to get killed or something.Walking through the streets I noticed a little shrine.
It had burning stuff and fruit like an offering.
I ask my wife what that was.
She snapped don't go near it.
Ancestor worship and we walked on.
Its just that the Chinese have a thing about death.
Its not discussed in polite company.
They avoid the number 4 because the way it is spoken it sounds like death.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28386515</id>
	<title>Ask your sister...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245444120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...if she masturbates, then report back the results.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...if she masturbates , then report back the results .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...if she masturbates, then report back the results.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28390293</id>
	<title>old stories</title>
	<author>edward2020</author>
	<datestamp>1245427680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, a quote from an article over a year old, a link to a<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. post from 4 years ago, and the stupid skeleton thing from March. Slow "news" day I guess...</div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , a quote from an article over a year old , a link to a / .
post from 4 years ago , and the stupid skeleton thing from March .
Slow " news " day I guess.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, a quote from an article over a year old, a link to a /.
post from 4 years ago, and the stupid skeleton thing from March.
Slow "news" day I guess...
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28386435</id>
	<title>Blast</title>
	<author>iMac Were</author>
	<datestamp>1245443400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>There goes my plan for a frogger clone, but with tanks and protesters...</htmltext>
<tokenext>There goes my plan for a frogger clone , but with tanks and protesters.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>There goes my plan for a frogger clone, but with tanks and protesters...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28390047</id>
	<title>Thank you god</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245426660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I wish someone would ban undesireable games in North America.

Would have stopped me from suffering through Battlecruiser 3000 AD and Daikatana back in the day.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I wish someone would ban undesireable games in North America .
Would have stopped me from suffering through Battlecruiser 3000 AD and Daikatana back in the day .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wish someone would ban undesireable games in North America.
Would have stopped me from suffering through Battlecruiser 3000 AD and Daikatana back in the day.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28394393</id>
	<title>Re:HAHAHA you will become US China. I mean U.S.</title>
	<author>BigGar'</author>
	<datestamp>1245444300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Here's another gem of a game, from 1982 for the Atari 2600 home console:</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer's\_Revenge" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer's\_Revenge</a> [wikipedia.org] </p><p>Ah; the good old days.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Here 's another gem of a game , from 1982 for the Atari 2600 home console : http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer 's \ _Revenge [ wikipedia.org ] Ah ; the good old days .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here's another gem of a game, from 1982 for the Atari 2600 home console:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Custer's\_Revenge [wikipedia.org] Ah; the good old days.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28386735</id>
	<title>Re:When in China...</title>
	<author>phantomfive</author>
	<datestamp>1245403920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It's understandable that their greatest fear would be chaos, they have direct experience with it during the cultural revolution.  It was horrible.  And interestingly, it was largely democratic, in that it was the people doing it, not the secret police, although it was at the instigation of the leaders.  It was the rising up of the proletariat to do whatever they wanted.<br> <br>
One interesting difference between the Russian communism and Chinese communism is that while Russia had the secret police, and strong military control, China didn't really have that nearly as much.  It was the people who kept each other in line in China.<br> <br>
While we look on their situation as oppressive, they don't see it that way, in fact if there were elections, most Chinese would probably approve the way things are being run right now.  There will not be democracy until the people are ready for it.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's understandable that their greatest fear would be chaos , they have direct experience with it during the cultural revolution .
It was horrible .
And interestingly , it was largely democratic , in that it was the people doing it , not the secret police , although it was at the instigation of the leaders .
It was the rising up of the proletariat to do whatever they wanted .
One interesting difference between the Russian communism and Chinese communism is that while Russia had the secret police , and strong military control , China did n't really have that nearly as much .
It was the people who kept each other in line in China .
While we look on their situation as oppressive , they do n't see it that way , in fact if there were elections , most Chinese would probably approve the way things are being run right now .
There will not be democracy until the people are ready for it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's understandable that their greatest fear would be chaos, they have direct experience with it during the cultural revolution.
It was horrible.
And interestingly, it was largely democratic, in that it was the people doing it, not the secret police, although it was at the instigation of the leaders.
It was the rising up of the proletariat to do whatever they wanted.
One interesting difference between the Russian communism and Chinese communism is that while Russia had the secret police, and strong military control, China didn't really have that nearly as much.
It was the people who kept each other in line in China.
While we look on their situation as oppressive, they don't see it that way, in fact if there were elections, most Chinese would probably approve the way things are being run right now.
There will not be democracy until the people are ready for it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28386547</id>
	<title>Agreed.</title>
	<author>s1lverl0rd</author>
	<datestamp>1245444480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>China has the power to do many things other coutries frown upon. Of all the things they did, I think this one is the least disturbing.</p><p>Nothing to see here, move along.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>China has the power to do many things other coutries frown upon .
Of all the things they did , I think this one is the least disturbing.Nothing to see here , move along .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>China has the power to do many things other coutries frown upon.
Of all the things they did, I think this one is the least disturbing.Nothing to see here, move along.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28387061</id>
	<title>Think about the farmers</title>
	<author>AniVisual</author>
	<datestamp>1245407760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> World of Warcraft, CYBERSPACE -- thousands of gamers riot in-game as the economy collapses. </p></htmltext>
<tokenext>World of Warcraft , CYBERSPACE -- thousands of gamers riot in-game as the economy collapses .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> World of Warcraft, CYBERSPACE -- thousands of gamers riot in-game as the economy collapses. </sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28386609</id>
	<title>Usually we like it</title>
	<author>Opportunist</author>
	<datestamp>1245402000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Usually we consider it beneficial if what we call "opressive" governments take over ideas from what we call "free" democracies.</p><p><a href="http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/06/19/047252" title="slashdot.org">In this case</a> [slashdot.org] I'm not so sure if I'm glad.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Usually we consider it beneficial if what we call " opressive " governments take over ideas from what we call " free " democracies.In this case [ slashdot.org ] I 'm not so sure if I 'm glad .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Usually we consider it beneficial if what we call "opressive" governments take over ideas from what we call "free" democracies.In this case [slashdot.org] I'm not so sure if I'm glad.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28387041</id>
	<title>Re:What's with the skeleton hate?</title>
	<author>Alsee</author>
	<datestamp>1245407580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>Can someone who understands Chinese culture a little better than I explain why skeletons are considered so taboo?</i></p><p>I wouldn't really claim to understand Chinese culture, but I did happen to read an article explaining this particular point, so I can give you a second-hand answer.</p><p>A very deep issue in Chinese culture and thousands of years of history and mythology, is ancestry and the spirits of ancestors, bordering on ancestor worship. Anywho.... authoritarian regimes tend to take one of two approaches to religion. Either there's Nazi model where they seize upon the predominant religion (evangelical Christianity in the Nazi's case) and impose it in all the schools and throughout society as a tool of power and control by claiming "Gott Mit Uns" (God Is With Us), or there's the Stalin model that seeks to exterminate religion as a competing threat to it's own power and authority.</p><p>In Chinese culture the idea that the spirits of The Ancestors might disapprove of government policies and government actions, the idea that The Ancestors might grant strength and power to humble peasantry, to fight and win against an impossibly larger and more powerful (but corrupt) foe.</p><p>Think of our Robin Hood story, and cross it with the mythology of pretty much every martial arts movie you have ever seen where some guy beats the crap out of entire armies worth of enemies, and cross that with a mythology that idolizes and idealizes the power and nobility of ancestors, and which believes that the spirits of the ancestors still live and watch over us and that their power can be called upon.</p><p>I also think we view skeletons as generic mindless creepy-ghoulies, empty shells animated by magic, but I think they view them more as animated by the spirit of a powerful ancestor. Consider out "Night of the Living Dead" movie mythology, if you see a zombie you just whack it with a shovel, they are only dangerous if you get mobbed. On the other hand imagine a "zombie" who was the full mental-and-spiritual embodiment of King Arthur, you are NOT going to win in combat against him, and if you oppose him you're pretty much automatically "the bad guy".</p><p>Hopefully I didn't butcher Chinese culture too badly with my substantial ignorance. The Chinese government is opposed to any and all religion, considering it a threat to their own authority and their own stability. And of course they are most keenly allergic to the most deeply rooted mythologies of their own culture.</p><p>-</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can someone who understands Chinese culture a little better than I explain why skeletons are considered so taboo ? I would n't really claim to understand Chinese culture , but I did happen to read an article explaining this particular point , so I can give you a second-hand answer.A very deep issue in Chinese culture and thousands of years of history and mythology , is ancestry and the spirits of ancestors , bordering on ancestor worship .
Anywho.... authoritarian regimes tend to take one of two approaches to religion .
Either there 's Nazi model where they seize upon the predominant religion ( evangelical Christianity in the Nazi 's case ) and impose it in all the schools and throughout society as a tool of power and control by claiming " Gott Mit Uns " ( God Is With Us ) , or there 's the Stalin model that seeks to exterminate religion as a competing threat to it 's own power and authority.In Chinese culture the idea that the spirits of The Ancestors might disapprove of government policies and government actions , the idea that The Ancestors might grant strength and power to humble peasantry , to fight and win against an impossibly larger and more powerful ( but corrupt ) foe.Think of our Robin Hood story , and cross it with the mythology of pretty much every martial arts movie you have ever seen where some guy beats the crap out of entire armies worth of enemies , and cross that with a mythology that idolizes and idealizes the power and nobility of ancestors , and which believes that the spirits of the ancestors still live and watch over us and that their power can be called upon.I also think we view skeletons as generic mindless creepy-ghoulies , empty shells animated by magic , but I think they view them more as animated by the spirit of a powerful ancestor .
Consider out " Night of the Living Dead " movie mythology , if you see a zombie you just whack it with a shovel , they are only dangerous if you get mobbed .
On the other hand imagine a " zombie " who was the full mental-and-spiritual embodiment of King Arthur , you are NOT going to win in combat against him , and if you oppose him you 're pretty much automatically " the bad guy " .Hopefully I did n't butcher Chinese culture too badly with my substantial ignorance .
The Chinese government is opposed to any and all religion , considering it a threat to their own authority and their own stability .
And of course they are most keenly allergic to the most deeply rooted mythologies of their own culture.-</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can someone who understands Chinese culture a little better than I explain why skeletons are considered so taboo?I wouldn't really claim to understand Chinese culture, but I did happen to read an article explaining this particular point, so I can give you a second-hand answer.A very deep issue in Chinese culture and thousands of years of history and mythology, is ancestry and the spirits of ancestors, bordering on ancestor worship.
Anywho.... authoritarian regimes tend to take one of two approaches to religion.
Either there's Nazi model where they seize upon the predominant religion (evangelical Christianity in the Nazi's case) and impose it in all the schools and throughout society as a tool of power and control by claiming "Gott Mit Uns" (God Is With Us), or there's the Stalin model that seeks to exterminate religion as a competing threat to it's own power and authority.In Chinese culture the idea that the spirits of The Ancestors might disapprove of government policies and government actions, the idea that The Ancestors might grant strength and power to humble peasantry, to fight and win against an impossibly larger and more powerful (but corrupt) foe.Think of our Robin Hood story, and cross it with the mythology of pretty much every martial arts movie you have ever seen where some guy beats the crap out of entire armies worth of enemies, and cross that with a mythology that idolizes and idealizes the power and nobility of ancestors, and which believes that the spirits of the ancestors still live and watch over us and that their power can be called upon.I also think we view skeletons as generic mindless creepy-ghoulies, empty shells animated by magic, but I think they view them more as animated by the spirit of a powerful ancestor.
Consider out "Night of the Living Dead" movie mythology, if you see a zombie you just whack it with a shovel, they are only dangerous if you get mobbed.
On the other hand imagine a "zombie" who was the full mental-and-spiritual embodiment of King Arthur, you are NOT going to win in combat against him, and if you oppose him you're pretty much automatically "the bad guy".Hopefully I didn't butcher Chinese culture too badly with my substantial ignorance.
The Chinese government is opposed to any and all religion, considering it a threat to their own authority and their own stability.
And of course they are most keenly allergic to the most deeply rooted mythologies of their own culture.-</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28387119</id>
	<title>Re:When in China...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245408540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Governments use many tools to divide and conquer us. Race, Class, base fears such as terrorism, and influence from foreign powers.<br>Yes, China is moving in a positive direction, but let's not fall into the cultural relativism trap. Our governments have limited power by design. That makes them better. Not, "Oh their culture is different so whatever works for them". They are not aliens, they are people, and getting rid of dictatorships is something they can aspire to.</p><p>The age gap is massive, since many younger people have no experience, or even second hand anecdotes of the cultural revolution; it's no more tangible to them as fighting in the trenches of WW1 is to me.<br>Have a few beers with some students in the bar, and you'll find that just as many are politically aware as anywhere else (mind you many don't care, and we have those people too). They are aware of the freedoms they lack, and want them back.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Governments use many tools to divide and conquer us .
Race , Class , base fears such as terrorism , and influence from foreign powers.Yes , China is moving in a positive direction , but let 's not fall into the cultural relativism trap .
Our governments have limited power by design .
That makes them better .
Not , " Oh their culture is different so whatever works for them " .
They are not aliens , they are people , and getting rid of dictatorships is something they can aspire to.The age gap is massive , since many younger people have no experience , or even second hand anecdotes of the cultural revolution ; it 's no more tangible to them as fighting in the trenches of WW1 is to me.Have a few beers with some students in the bar , and you 'll find that just as many are politically aware as anywhere else ( mind you many do n't care , and we have those people too ) .
They are aware of the freedoms they lack , and want them back .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Governments use many tools to divide and conquer us.
Race, Class, base fears such as terrorism, and influence from foreign powers.Yes, China is moving in a positive direction, but let's not fall into the cultural relativism trap.
Our governments have limited power by design.
That makes them better.
Not, "Oh their culture is different so whatever works for them".
They are not aliens, they are people, and getting rid of dictatorships is something they can aspire to.The age gap is massive, since many younger people have no experience, or even second hand anecdotes of the cultural revolution; it's no more tangible to them as fighting in the trenches of WW1 is to me.Have a few beers with some students in the bar, and you'll find that just as many are politically aware as anywhere else (mind you many don't care, and we have those people too).
They are aware of the freedoms they lack, and want them back.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28389537</id>
	<title>There's one game the Chinese govt approves of</title>
	<author>Bemopolis</author>
	<datestamp>1245424620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Battle Zone.  With the "add students" cheat turned on.  Fuckers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Battle Zone .
With the " add students " cheat turned on .
Fuckers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Battle Zone.
With the "add students" cheat turned on.
Fuckers.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28388683</id>
	<title>Authoritarian governemnt does authoritarian things</title>
	<author>russotto</author>
	<datestamp>1245421020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>And this is news exactly why?</htmltext>
<tokenext>And this is news exactly why ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And this is news exactly why?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28388495</id>
	<title>more than one question at issue</title>
	<author>shadowofwind</author>
	<datestamp>1245420120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Every time<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. has a thread about regulation of video games or porn, I see that several different arguments get blended together as if they are interchangeable:</p><p>1.  What is the proper role of government, vs. families, individuals and other institutions.<br>2.  Can indulging cruel appetites in virtual reality be harmful, when the victims aren't real?<br>3.  Given that we already have cruel appetites, can indulging them in a relatively harmless way be less bad than suppression or acting out in worse ways?</p><p>Obviously most Chinese people have different ideas about the role of government than most Americans or most Europeans.  There are valid points to be on both sides, and existing culture has to be taken into account when deciding what policy is best at the present.  As an off-topic example to illustrate, almost everyone acts like the Chinese government's persecution of the Falun Gong is unambiguously bad.  But Chinese history shows that religious cults can get very, very, disasterously out of control, for example with the Taiping Rebellion.  So I think its not so clear cut.</p><p>The idea that what you do in video games or what images you look at doesn't affect your appetites or how you think about other people is just ridiculous.  For example, can a formerly decent and empathetic person play a rape video game without it at all affecting their perceptions of women that they interact with in real life?  Really?  Yeah, skeletons aren't that big of a deal to most of us, but its still true that the images you experience do affect you, skeletons included.</p><p>The last question has no simple answer, which is why I am mostly libertarian about these things.  My main point is to distinguish it from the second question, since there has been a lot of BS about this on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. in relation to porn, pedophilia, and violent video games.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Every time / .
has a thread about regulation of video games or porn , I see that several different arguments get blended together as if they are interchangeable : 1 .
What is the proper role of government , vs. families , individuals and other institutions.2 .
Can indulging cruel appetites in virtual reality be harmful , when the victims are n't real ? 3 .
Given that we already have cruel appetites , can indulging them in a relatively harmless way be less bad than suppression or acting out in worse ways ? Obviously most Chinese people have different ideas about the role of government than most Americans or most Europeans .
There are valid points to be on both sides , and existing culture has to be taken into account when deciding what policy is best at the present .
As an off-topic example to illustrate , almost everyone acts like the Chinese government 's persecution of the Falun Gong is unambiguously bad .
But Chinese history shows that religious cults can get very , very , disasterously out of control , for example with the Taiping Rebellion .
So I think its not so clear cut.The idea that what you do in video games or what images you look at does n't affect your appetites or how you think about other people is just ridiculous .
For example , can a formerly decent and empathetic person play a rape video game without it at all affecting their perceptions of women that they interact with in real life ?
Really ? Yeah , skeletons are n't that big of a deal to most of us , but its still true that the images you experience do affect you , skeletons included.The last question has no simple answer , which is why I am mostly libertarian about these things .
My main point is to distinguish it from the second question , since there has been a lot of BS about this on / .
in relation to porn , pedophilia , and violent video games .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Every time /.
has a thread about regulation of video games or porn, I see that several different arguments get blended together as if they are interchangeable:1.
What is the proper role of government, vs. families, individuals and other institutions.2.
Can indulging cruel appetites in virtual reality be harmful, when the victims aren't real?3.
Given that we already have cruel appetites, can indulging them in a relatively harmless way be less bad than suppression or acting out in worse ways?Obviously most Chinese people have different ideas about the role of government than most Americans or most Europeans.
There are valid points to be on both sides, and existing culture has to be taken into account when deciding what policy is best at the present.
As an off-topic example to illustrate, almost everyone acts like the Chinese government's persecution of the Falun Gong is unambiguously bad.
But Chinese history shows that religious cults can get very, very, disasterously out of control, for example with the Taiping Rebellion.
So I think its not so clear cut.The idea that what you do in video games or what images you look at doesn't affect your appetites or how you think about other people is just ridiculous.
For example, can a formerly decent and empathetic person play a rape video game without it at all affecting their perceptions of women that they interact with in real life?
Really?  Yeah, skeletons aren't that big of a deal to most of us, but its still true that the images you experience do affect you, skeletons included.The last question has no simple answer, which is why I am mostly libertarian about these things.
My main point is to distinguish it from the second question, since there has been a lot of BS about this on /.
in relation to porn, pedophilia, and violent video games.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28386897</id>
	<title>Removing Skeletons?</title>
	<author>dukieduke</author>
	<datestamp>1245405780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well there go the sales of "Lego Battles" in China. (OK, I kid when I talk about "actual" software sales in China)
Pretty much any plastic Lego set that has skellies in them as well. Pirates, Castle, Indy, etc.
At least I can take to heart that there will be no more pirated versions of "Clash of the Titans" floating around China.
Heaven forbid China should decide to invade North America on the evening of Oct. 31st. That is when we allow the skeletons, princesses, superheroes, witches and ghosts free to patrol the streets looking for sustenance. They will find you.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well there go the sales of " Lego Battles " in China .
( OK , I kid when I talk about " actual " software sales in China ) Pretty much any plastic Lego set that has skellies in them as well .
Pirates , Castle , Indy , etc .
At least I can take to heart that there will be no more pirated versions of " Clash of the Titans " floating around China .
Heaven forbid China should decide to invade North America on the evening of Oct. 31st. That is when we allow the skeletons , princesses , superheroes , witches and ghosts free to patrol the streets looking for sustenance .
They will find you .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well there go the sales of "Lego Battles" in China.
(OK, I kid when I talk about "actual" software sales in China)
Pretty much any plastic Lego set that has skellies in them as well.
Pirates, Castle, Indy, etc.
At least I can take to heart that there will be no more pirated versions of "Clash of the Titans" floating around China.
Heaven forbid China should decide to invade North America on the evening of Oct. 31st. That is when we allow the skeletons, princesses, superheroes, witches and ghosts free to patrol the streets looking for sustenance.
They will find you.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28388517</id>
	<title>The Chinese government</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245420240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Ugh. It's pretty simple to understand the Chinese government actually.</p><p>You all know of the story of that grandma who doesn't understand computers at all, and ask "What does this button do?" and "Can I delete these files? *points to system files*"</p><p>Now imagine people with that level of computer literacy in charge of China. That's Exactly what's going on.</p><p>You have a bunch of 60+ years-old (apparently, 50 years-old is Young by Chinese government standards) computer illiterate people who've gone through most their lives without computers, and who even now barely know how to use email (I live here, I can say that middle-aged Chinese, even the bosses of big companies, are so bad at computers that it makes me want to hit my head repeatedly against a wall. How do they manage? They don't, they have secretaries do the work for them).</p><p>So suddenly there's this thing called "internet" that pops up, and they barely have a clue what it's all about apart from the fact that they don't know how to use it, and they've gone through most of their lives without it. So on the one hand they figure, "what harm can come from a little banning?"</p><p>Then stuff happens, and you can guess the results.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Ugh .
It 's pretty simple to understand the Chinese government actually.You all know of the story of that grandma who does n't understand computers at all , and ask " What does this button do ?
" and " Can I delete these files ?
* points to system files * " Now imagine people with that level of computer literacy in charge of China .
That 's Exactly what 's going on.You have a bunch of 60 + years-old ( apparently , 50 years-old is Young by Chinese government standards ) computer illiterate people who 've gone through most their lives without computers , and who even now barely know how to use email ( I live here , I can say that middle-aged Chinese , even the bosses of big companies , are so bad at computers that it makes me want to hit my head repeatedly against a wall .
How do they manage ?
They do n't , they have secretaries do the work for them ) .So suddenly there 's this thing called " internet " that pops up , and they barely have a clue what it 's all about apart from the fact that they do n't know how to use it , and they 've gone through most of their lives without it .
So on the one hand they figure , " what harm can come from a little banning ?
" Then stuff happens , and you can guess the results .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Ugh.
It's pretty simple to understand the Chinese government actually.You all know of the story of that grandma who doesn't understand computers at all, and ask "What does this button do?
" and "Can I delete these files?
*points to system files*"Now imagine people with that level of computer literacy in charge of China.
That's Exactly what's going on.You have a bunch of 60+ years-old (apparently, 50 years-old is Young by Chinese government standards) computer illiterate people who've gone through most their lives without computers, and who even now barely know how to use email (I live here, I can say that middle-aged Chinese, even the bosses of big companies, are so bad at computers that it makes me want to hit my head repeatedly against a wall.
How do they manage?
They don't, they have secretaries do the work for them).So suddenly there's this thing called "internet" that pops up, and they barely have a clue what it's all about apart from the fact that they don't know how to use it, and they've gone through most of their lives without it.
So on the one hand they figure, "what harm can come from a little banning?
"Then stuff happens, and you can guess the results.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28391213</id>
	<title>Depressant</title>
	<author>kheldan</author>
	<datestamp>1245431760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From TFA: <p><div class="quote"><p>online games are regarded by many as a sort of spiritual opium..</p></div><p>Yeah sure whatever you say, China. Nevermind that your "governance" is regarded by MOST OF THE WORLD as a "spiritual depressant".</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From TFA : online games are regarded by many as a sort of spiritual opium..Yeah sure whatever you say , China .
Nevermind that your " governance " is regarded by MOST OF THE WORLD as a " spiritual depressant " .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From TFA: online games are regarded by many as a sort of spiritual opium..Yeah sure whatever you say, China.
Nevermind that your "governance" is regarded by MOST OF THE WORLD as a "spiritual depressant".
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_19_0548233.28398039</id>
	<title>Re:HAHAHA you will become US China. I mean U.S.</title>
	<author>MWoody</author>
	<datestamp>1245419940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It was an arcade game.  Arcades were populated with mostly preteens.  Removing something from public places is one thing; removing it from private consumers is another.</p><p>Or do you think preventing Chuck-E-Cheese from including animatronic porn in their acts is the same thing as banning the sale of adult DVDs?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It was an arcade game .
Arcades were populated with mostly preteens .
Removing something from public places is one thing ; removing it from private consumers is another.Or do you think preventing Chuck-E-Cheese from including animatronic porn in their acts is the same thing as banning the sale of adult DVDs ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It was an arcade game.
Arcades were populated with mostly preteens.
Removing something from public places is one thing; removing it from private consumers is another.Or do you think preventing Chuck-E-Cheese from including animatronic porn in their acts is the same thing as banning the sale of adult DVDs?</sentencetext>
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