<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_17_2017226</id>
	<title>The State of Iran's Ongoing Netwar</title>
	<author>timothy</author>
	<datestamp>1245227760000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>An anonymous reader writes <i>"Following disputed elections in Iran, opposition groups and activists have turned conventional protests into a major threat to the ruling government. The low-intensity protest movement is rapidly becoming the first true netwar of the 21st century. Opposition protesters have shown that within a few hours or less, the information technologies that are the mainstay of modern society can become its weapons, as well.

This article examines <a href="http://journalsquared.blogspot.com/2009/06/irans-netwar.html">the current situation in Iran</a> and the part played by new media technologies and strategies, showing how far the theory and practice of netwar has advanced since the <a href="http://www.rand.org/pubs/monograph\_reports/MR1382/MR1382.ch7.pdf">concept first emerged in the late nineties</a>."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>An anonymous reader writes " Following disputed elections in Iran , opposition groups and activists have turned conventional protests into a major threat to the ruling government .
The low-intensity protest movement is rapidly becoming the first true netwar of the 21st century .
Opposition protesters have shown that within a few hours or less , the information technologies that are the mainstay of modern society can become its weapons , as well .
This article examines the current situation in Iran and the part played by new media technologies and strategies , showing how far the theory and practice of netwar has advanced since the concept first emerged in the late nineties .
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<sentencetext>An anonymous reader writes "Following disputed elections in Iran, opposition groups and activists have turned conventional protests into a major threat to the ruling government.
The low-intensity protest movement is rapidly becoming the first true netwar of the 21st century.
Opposition protesters have shown that within a few hours or less, the information technologies that are the mainstay of modern society can become its weapons, as well.
This article examines the current situation in Iran and the part played by new media technologies and strategies, showing how far the theory and practice of netwar has advanced since the concept first emerged in the late nineties.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28369457</id>
	<title>Re:Listen...</title>
	<author>Anik315</author>
	<datestamp>1245258180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>if they collapse into civil war it might slow down their nuke program a bit, buying time to find some solution other than waiting for Israel to solve the problem with high explosives.</p></div><p>It's statements like that why the vast majority of Iranians want the Americans out of their politics.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>if they collapse into civil war it might slow down their nuke program a bit , buying time to find some solution other than waiting for Israel to solve the problem with high explosives.It 's statements like that why the vast majority of Iranians want the Americans out of their politics .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>if they collapse into civil war it might slow down their nuke program a bit, buying time to find some solution other than waiting for Israel to solve the problem with high explosives.It's statements like that why the vast majority of Iranians want the Americans out of their politics.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366805</id>
	<title>Re:Listen...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245235740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The point is, though, people are having their freedom stomped on over there. Regardless of politics, standing up against oppression is what America and humanity in general should be all about.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The point is , though , people are having their freedom stomped on over there .
Regardless of politics , standing up against oppression is what America and humanity in general should be all about .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The point is, though, people are having their freedom stomped on over there.
Regardless of politics, standing up against oppression is what America and humanity in general should be all about.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366941</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom for Iran!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245236340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dunno.  If I was fighting a war of some sort, I think one of the biggest ice breakers would be what I thought was my "enemy" actually tells me that they support my positions and what I'm trying to do.</p><p>Best thing Americans (not America, the government) can do, is post support for the movement.  Fuck what you think the Iranian government thinks and does "diplomatically".  Show the people you support them.  You might just build some bridges that way, instead of your "do nothing" approach.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno .
If I was fighting a war of some sort , I think one of the biggest ice breakers would be what I thought was my " enemy " actually tells me that they support my positions and what I 'm trying to do.Best thing Americans ( not America , the government ) can do , is post support for the movement .
Fuck what you think the Iranian government thinks and does " diplomatically " .
Show the people you support them .
You might just build some bridges that way , instead of your " do nothing " approach .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno.
If I was fighting a war of some sort, I think one of the biggest ice breakers would be what I thought was my "enemy" actually tells me that they support my positions and what I'm trying to do.Best thing Americans (not America, the government) can do, is post support for the movement.
Fuck what you think the Iranian government thinks and does "diplomatically".
Show the people you support them.
You might just build some bridges that way, instead of your "do nothing" approach.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28367207</id>
	<title>Re:Listen...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245237780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is not about wanting Iran to be pro-America.<br>This is about wanting the people of Iran to be able to decide for themselves what they want their country to be.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is not about wanting Iran to be pro-America.This is about wanting the people of Iran to be able to decide for themselves what they want their country to be .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is not about wanting Iran to be pro-America.This is about wanting the people of Iran to be able to decide for themselves what they want their country to be.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28397647</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom for Iran!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245416940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>second that and add a strong recommendation to question the whole story that has developed over the last few days.</p><p>What appears fishy to me is:</p><p>1. The notion that the election was a fraud was first stated by Mousavi before the polls had closed or any results published.</p><p>2. How does "one" perpetrate a fraud of that magnitude, and if that clever, why make it so outrageously over-done?</p><p>3. The original twitter newsfeeds originated from three english speakers who registered on that first day and sent thousands of incendiary tweets...indigenous dissidents or agents provocateur? no way to know (and it gets better, they were announced to the world by the zionist rag the J-post!  see http://www.chartingstocks.net/2009/06/proof-israeli-effort-to-destabilize-iran-via-twitter/)</p><p>there's more fishiness and it is guaranteed that there is more than meets the eye.  someone mentioned Rafsanjani as a nexus for all of this in a bid to seize the supreme position. there's the ongoing US covert campaign, reportedly 400mi/ year to "destaiblize Iran. (hows that going guys?)  or the ever present elephant in the room that would love to see Iran fall leaving them BMOC...</p><p>so, helping the revolution is noble from our POV, but 2/3 of the actual people there may consider it the day their world was destroyed...   may be best to sit back and let them sort it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>second that and add a strong recommendation to question the whole story that has developed over the last few days.What appears fishy to me is : 1 .
The notion that the election was a fraud was first stated by Mousavi before the polls had closed or any results published.2 .
How does " one " perpetrate a fraud of that magnitude , and if that clever , why make it so outrageously over-done ? 3 .
The original twitter newsfeeds originated from three english speakers who registered on that first day and sent thousands of incendiary tweets...indigenous dissidents or agents provocateur ?
no way to know ( and it gets better , they were announced to the world by the zionist rag the J-post !
see http : //www.chartingstocks.net/2009/06/proof-israeli-effort-to-destabilize-iran-via-twitter/ ) there 's more fishiness and it is guaranteed that there is more than meets the eye .
someone mentioned Rafsanjani as a nexus for all of this in a bid to seize the supreme position .
there 's the ongoing US covert campaign , reportedly 400mi/ year to " destaiblize Iran .
( hows that going guys ?
) or the ever present elephant in the room that would love to see Iran fall leaving them BMOC...so , helping the revolution is noble from our POV , but 2/3 of the actual people there may consider it the day their world was destroyed... may be best to sit back and let them sort it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>second that and add a strong recommendation to question the whole story that has developed over the last few days.What appears fishy to me is:1.
The notion that the election was a fraud was first stated by Mousavi before the polls had closed or any results published.2.
How does "one" perpetrate a fraud of that magnitude, and if that clever, why make it so outrageously over-done?3.
The original twitter newsfeeds originated from three english speakers who registered on that first day and sent thousands of incendiary tweets...indigenous dissidents or agents provocateur?
no way to know (and it gets better, they were announced to the world by the zionist rag the J-post!
see http://www.chartingstocks.net/2009/06/proof-israeli-effort-to-destabilize-iran-via-twitter/)there's more fishiness and it is guaranteed that there is more than meets the eye.
someone mentioned Rafsanjani as a nexus for all of this in a bid to seize the supreme position.
there's the ongoing US covert campaign, reportedly 400mi/ year to "destaiblize Iran.
(hows that going guys?
)  or the ever present elephant in the room that would love to see Iran fall leaving them BMOC...so, helping the revolution is noble from our POV, but 2/3 of the actual people there may consider it the day their world was destroyed...   may be best to sit back and let them sort it.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28369833</id>
	<title>Re:Listen...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245261660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>[quote]There have already been messages from Iranians acknowledging the support they're getting from Americans and expressing their surprise and gratitude, even while acknowledging a lack of coverage by US media. If the Iranian people understand that the American people are their friends, they will be considerably less likely to view America as an enemy and considerably more likely to oppose an anti-American viewpoint by their own government.[/quote]</p><p>Replace "Americans" by "the world"...<br>Internet isn't the USA.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ quote ] There have already been messages from Iranians acknowledging the support they 're getting from Americans and expressing their surprise and gratitude , even while acknowledging a lack of coverage by US media .
If the Iranian people understand that the American people are their friends , they will be considerably less likely to view America as an enemy and considerably more likely to oppose an anti-American viewpoint by their own government .
[ /quote ] Replace " Americans " by " the world " ...Internet is n't the USA .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[quote]There have already been messages from Iranians acknowledging the support they're getting from Americans and expressing their surprise and gratitude, even while acknowledging a lack of coverage by US media.
If the Iranian people understand that the American people are their friends, they will be considerably less likely to view America as an enemy and considerably more likely to oppose an anti-American viewpoint by their own government.
[/quote]Replace "Americans" by "the world"...Internet isn't the USA.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366517</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom for Iran!</title>
	<author>SlashDev</author>
	<datestamp>1245234300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>

If you think Iran's problems will be solved via bandwidth, twitter or facebook, you are being misled. Iran has major problems that date back a few decades; freedom of speech is not going to solve them.

You are being fed misleading news that will convince you that freedom of speech is the solution to everything. We practice freedom of speech in the US on a daily basis and where are we headed?

The reason why these two parties are battling isn't because of Internet censorship, this country has had problems way before any type of internet service was even available to the people. Let's assume for a moment that the opposition wins the election and that Internet censorship is no longer and freedom of speech has become a right; picture that for a moment, do you really believe that everyone will go home happy and call it a day? Hardly so; apparently half of the people want one thing that has nothing to do with the Internet, and the other half want something else.

Egypt has Internet access, it is one of the poorest countries in the wold, ruled by a president who will only leave upon his death. I can name many other countries that have Internet connections as well, yet people lead miserable lives.

What is needed is a solution, starting with of course internal Democracy. Let's see what plays out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think Iran 's problems will be solved via bandwidth , twitter or facebook , you are being misled .
Iran has major problems that date back a few decades ; freedom of speech is not going to solve them .
You are being fed misleading news that will convince you that freedom of speech is the solution to everything .
We practice freedom of speech in the US on a daily basis and where are we headed ?
The reason why these two parties are battling is n't because of Internet censorship , this country has had problems way before any type of internet service was even available to the people .
Let 's assume for a moment that the opposition wins the election and that Internet censorship is no longer and freedom of speech has become a right ; picture that for a moment , do you really believe that everyone will go home happy and call it a day ?
Hardly so ; apparently half of the people want one thing that has nothing to do with the Internet , and the other half want something else .
Egypt has Internet access , it is one of the poorest countries in the wold , ruled by a president who will only leave upon his death .
I can name many other countries that have Internet connections as well , yet people lead miserable lives .
What is needed is a solution , starting with of course internal Democracy .
Let 's see what plays out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>

If you think Iran's problems will be solved via bandwidth, twitter or facebook, you are being misled.
Iran has major problems that date back a few decades; freedom of speech is not going to solve them.
You are being fed misleading news that will convince you that freedom of speech is the solution to everything.
We practice freedom of speech in the US on a daily basis and where are we headed?
The reason why these two parties are battling isn't because of Internet censorship, this country has had problems way before any type of internet service was even available to the people.
Let's assume for a moment that the opposition wins the election and that Internet censorship is no longer and freedom of speech has become a right; picture that for a moment, do you really believe that everyone will go home happy and call it a day?
Hardly so; apparently half of the people want one thing that has nothing to do with the Internet, and the other half want something else.
Egypt has Internet access, it is one of the poorest countries in the wold, ruled by a president who will only leave upon his death.
I can name many other countries that have Internet connections as well, yet people lead miserable lives.
What is needed is a solution, starting with of course internal Democracy.
Let's see what plays out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28365985</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom for Iran!</title>
	<author>morgan\_greywolf</author>
	<datestamp>1245231900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can you please post what we can do in order to help the Iranians throw over their dictatorship?</p></div><p>Not much.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can you please post what we can do in order to help the Iranians throw over their dictatorship ? Not much .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can you please post what we can do in order to help the Iranians throw over their dictatorship?Not much.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28372079</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom for Iran!</title>
	<author>SpooForBrains</author>
	<datestamp>1245329460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Also:</p><p><a href="https://www.torproject.org/bridges" title="torproject.org">Run a tor bridge relay</a> [torproject.org]. <a href="https://wiki.torproject.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorInChroot" title="torproject.org">Chrooted</a> [torproject.org], of course.</p><p>Then email Austin Heap with the details so that he can distribute it to the needy.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Also : Run a tor bridge relay [ torproject.org ] .
Chrooted [ torproject.org ] , of course.Then email Austin Heap with the details so that he can distribute it to the needy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Also:Run a tor bridge relay [torproject.org].
Chrooted [torproject.org], of course.Then email Austin Heap with the details so that he can distribute it to the needy.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28369507</id>
	<title>Re:Shoe on the other foot</title>
	<author>Farhood</author>
	<datestamp>1245258780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>and all you idiots think these comcast "outages" are just little burps every now and then, huh?</p><p>no my friend. not even close.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>and all you idiots think these comcast " outages " are just little burps every now and then , huh ? no my friend .
not even close .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>and all you idiots think these comcast "outages" are just little burps every now and then, huh?no my friend.
not even close.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366785</id>
	<title>Re:Listen...</title>
	<author>amicusNYCL</author>
	<datestamp>1245235620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>helping the opposition figures does not help the United States in any way</p></div><p>People who are lending their support are not trying to help the United States, they're trying to help the Iranians.  This isn't about the US.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>What makes you think that if they opposition was successful in their political ambitions that they would become pro-American?</p></div><p>Because the Iranian people would realize that the American people, if not the American government, are willing to step up and help them out when they ask for it.  There have already been messages from Iranians acknowledging the support they're getting from Americans and expressing their surprise and gratitude, even while acknowledging a lack of coverage by US media.  If the Iranian people understand that the American people are their friends, they will be considerably less likely to view America as an enemy and considerably more likely to oppose an anti-American viewpoint by their own government.</p><p>This is more about Americans bonding with Iranians than it is about the US government bonding with the Iranian government.</p></div>
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<tokenext>helping the opposition figures does not help the United States in any wayPeople who are lending their support are not trying to help the United States , they 're trying to help the Iranians .
This is n't about the US.What makes you think that if they opposition was successful in their political ambitions that they would become pro-American ? Because the Iranian people would realize that the American people , if not the American government , are willing to step up and help them out when they ask for it .
There have already been messages from Iranians acknowledging the support they 're getting from Americans and expressing their surprise and gratitude , even while acknowledging a lack of coverage by US media .
If the Iranian people understand that the American people are their friends , they will be considerably less likely to view America as an enemy and considerably more likely to oppose an anti-American viewpoint by their own government.This is more about Americans bonding with Iranians than it is about the US government bonding with the Iranian government .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>helping the opposition figures does not help the United States in any wayPeople who are lending their support are not trying to help the United States, they're trying to help the Iranians.
This isn't about the US.What makes you think that if they opposition was successful in their political ambitions that they would become pro-American?Because the Iranian people would realize that the American people, if not the American government, are willing to step up and help them out when they ask for it.
There have already been messages from Iranians acknowledging the support they're getting from Americans and expressing their surprise and gratitude, even while acknowledging a lack of coverage by US media.
If the Iranian people understand that the American people are their friends, they will be considerably less likely to view America as an enemy and considerably more likely to oppose an anti-American viewpoint by their own government.This is more about Americans bonding with Iranians than it is about the US government bonding with the Iranian government.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366507</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom for Iran!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245234180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you think Iran's problems will be solved via bandwidth, twitter or facebook, you are being misled. Iran has major problems that date back a few decades; freedom of speech is not going to solve them.</p><p>You are being fed misleading news that will convince you that freedom of speech is the solution to everything. We practice freedom of speech in the US on a daily basis and where are we headed?</p><p>The reason why these two parties are battling isn't because of Internet censorship, this country has had problems way before any type of internet service was even available to the people. Let's assume for a moment that the opposition wins the election and that Internet censorship is no longer and freedom of speech has become a right; picture that for a moment, do you really believe that everyone will go home happy and call it a day? Hardly so; apparently half of the people want one thing that has nothing to do with the Internet, and the other half want something else.</p><p>Egypt has Internet access, it is one of the poorest countries in the wold, ruled by a president who will only leave upon his death. I can name many other countries that have Internet connections as well, yet people lead miserable lives.</p><p>What is needed is a solution, starting with of course internal Democracy. Let's see what plays out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you think Iran 's problems will be solved via bandwidth , twitter or facebook , you are being misled .
Iran has major problems that date back a few decades ; freedom of speech is not going to solve them.You are being fed misleading news that will convince you that freedom of speech is the solution to everything .
We practice freedom of speech in the US on a daily basis and where are we headed ? The reason why these two parties are battling is n't because of Internet censorship , this country has had problems way before any type of internet service was even available to the people .
Let 's assume for a moment that the opposition wins the election and that Internet censorship is no longer and freedom of speech has become a right ; picture that for a moment , do you really believe that everyone will go home happy and call it a day ?
Hardly so ; apparently half of the people want one thing that has nothing to do with the Internet , and the other half want something else.Egypt has Internet access , it is one of the poorest countries in the wold , ruled by a president who will only leave upon his death .
I can name many other countries that have Internet connections as well , yet people lead miserable lives.What is needed is a solution , starting with of course internal Democracy .
Let 's see what plays out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you think Iran's problems will be solved via bandwidth, twitter or facebook, you are being misled.
Iran has major problems that date back a few decades; freedom of speech is not going to solve them.You are being fed misleading news that will convince you that freedom of speech is the solution to everything.
We practice freedom of speech in the US on a daily basis and where are we headed?The reason why these two parties are battling isn't because of Internet censorship, this country has had problems way before any type of internet service was even available to the people.
Let's assume for a moment that the opposition wins the election and that Internet censorship is no longer and freedom of speech has become a right; picture that for a moment, do you really believe that everyone will go home happy and call it a day?
Hardly so; apparently half of the people want one thing that has nothing to do with the Internet, and the other half want something else.Egypt has Internet access, it is one of the poorest countries in the wold, ruled by a president who will only leave upon his death.
I can name many other countries that have Internet connections as well, yet people lead miserable lives.What is needed is a solution, starting with of course internal Democracy.
Let's see what plays out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366751</id>
	<title>Re:Listen...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245235440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Everyone who thinks they are helping by siding with the Iranian opposition has a very poor understanding of Iranian politics.   It doesn't matter whether it's from the government or whether it's from regular Western citizens, helping the opposition figures does not help the United States in any way.  It just puts a different face on the same anti-Western government.</p></div><ol>
<li>I'm not American.</li><li>Even if I were American, why would I not want to support democracy in principle, even if the results weren't in my favour?</li><li>Even if I were only interested in Realpolitik, wouldn't I rather deal with a legitimately elected government than an illegitimate one? Legitimate governments tend to be more moderate and more, uh, sane.</li></ol></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone who thinks they are helping by siding with the Iranian opposition has a very poor understanding of Iranian politics .
It does n't matter whether it 's from the government or whether it 's from regular Western citizens , helping the opposition figures does not help the United States in any way .
It just puts a different face on the same anti-Western government .
I 'm not American.Even if I were American , why would I not want to support democracy in principle , even if the results were n't in my favour ? Even if I were only interested in Realpolitik , would n't I rather deal with a legitimately elected government than an illegitimate one ?
Legitimate governments tend to be more moderate and more , uh , sane .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone who thinks they are helping by siding with the Iranian opposition has a very poor understanding of Iranian politics.
It doesn't matter whether it's from the government or whether it's from regular Western citizens, helping the opposition figures does not help the United States in any way.
It just puts a different face on the same anti-Western government.
I'm not American.Even if I were American, why would I not want to support democracy in principle, even if the results weren't in my favour?Even if I were only interested in Realpolitik, wouldn't I rather deal with a legitimately elected government than an illegitimate one?
Legitimate governments tend to be more moderate and more, uh, sane.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28370401</id>
	<title>Re:Listen...</title>
	<author>Reservoir Penguin</author>
	<datestamp>1245355740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The election were not "stolen". Knowing the income distribution in Iran and the overwhelming support given to A. by the poor classes i have no trouble believing that he won. What I do see is another Western sponsored "Orange" Revolution in the making. I caution the Iranian people and advice them to look at the current situation in Georgia and Ukraine under their new rulers Saakashvili (started a foolish military adventure in South Ossetia, destabilizing the country and resulting in permanent loss of large chunks of territory, now brutally suppresses opposition) and Ushenko (ruined whatever was left of the economy, unable to form anything resembling a coalition with other opposition forces)  to see what awaits them if they swallow the western bait.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The election were not " stolen " .
Knowing the income distribution in Iran and the overwhelming support given to A. by the poor classes i have no trouble believing that he won .
What I do see is another Western sponsored " Orange " Revolution in the making .
I caution the Iranian people and advice them to look at the current situation in Georgia and Ukraine under their new rulers Saakashvili ( started a foolish military adventure in South Ossetia , destabilizing the country and resulting in permanent loss of large chunks of territory , now brutally suppresses opposition ) and Ushenko ( ruined whatever was left of the economy , unable to form anything resembling a coalition with other opposition forces ) to see what awaits them if they swallow the western bait .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The election were not "stolen".
Knowing the income distribution in Iran and the overwhelming support given to A. by the poor classes i have no trouble believing that he won.
What I do see is another Western sponsored "Orange" Revolution in the making.
I caution the Iranian people and advice them to look at the current situation in Georgia and Ukraine under their new rulers Saakashvili (started a foolish military adventure in South Ossetia, destabilizing the country and resulting in permanent loss of large chunks of territory, now brutally suppresses opposition) and Ushenko (ruined whatever was left of the economy, unable to form anything resembling a coalition with other opposition forces)  to see what awaits them if they swallow the western bait.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28367221</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28367239</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom for Iran!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245238020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm going to tell you to shut up.</p><p>Because I'm on the Internet, and if people want to tell others to shut up, they should be able to do so... without prevent the other party from actually saying anything. That's my opinion, all other opinions are irrelevant. The Internet isn't a national organization. We are the Internet, and if the Iranian government wants to sever one of it's many limbs, then, by God, it shall not go quietly.</p><p>First it's bloggers in the UK, then it's tweeters in Iran, and, before you know it, they will be trying to filter my troll-infested ocean of piss because it makes little children see 'inappropriate' things on a computer display.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm going to tell you to shut up.Because I 'm on the Internet , and if people want to tell others to shut up , they should be able to do so... without prevent the other party from actually saying anything .
That 's my opinion , all other opinions are irrelevant .
The Internet is n't a national organization .
We are the Internet , and if the Iranian government wants to sever one of it 's many limbs , then , by God , it shall not go quietly.First it 's bloggers in the UK , then it 's tweeters in Iran , and , before you know it , they will be trying to filter my troll-infested ocean of piss because it makes little children see 'inappropriate ' things on a computer display .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm going to tell you to shut up.Because I'm on the Internet, and if people want to tell others to shut up, they should be able to do so... without prevent the other party from actually saying anything.
That's my opinion, all other opinions are irrelevant.
The Internet isn't a national organization.
We are the Internet, and if the Iranian government wants to sever one of it's many limbs, then, by God, it shall not go quietly.First it's bloggers in the UK, then it's tweeters in Iran, and, before you know it, they will be trying to filter my troll-infested ocean of piss because it makes little children see 'inappropriate' things on a computer display.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366075</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28368501</id>
	<title>To You, the new Iran 'expert'</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245248460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>http://travellerwithin.blogspot.com/2009/06/to-you-new-iran-expert.html</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>http : //travellerwithin.blogspot.com/2009/06/to-you-new-iran-expert.html</tokentext>
<sentencetext>http://travellerwithin.blogspot.com/2009/06/to-you-new-iran-expert.html</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366659</id>
	<title>Re:Listen...</title>
	<author>SOOPRcow</author>
	<datestamp>1245234960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Progress is progress. Where ever people fight for more liberty the free people of the world should stand behind them. While it may not result in all the freedoms we can hope for it still puts the fear of the people into the government, which is never a bad thing. Also, for Iran economic policy can quickly become foreign policy. Being cut off from the rest of the world via sanctions has not helped there economy at all.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Progress is progress .
Where ever people fight for more liberty the free people of the world should stand behind them .
While it may not result in all the freedoms we can hope for it still puts the fear of the people into the government , which is never a bad thing .
Also , for Iran economic policy can quickly become foreign policy .
Being cut off from the rest of the world via sanctions has not helped there economy at all .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Progress is progress.
Where ever people fight for more liberty the free people of the world should stand behind them.
While it may not result in all the freedoms we can hope for it still puts the fear of the people into the government, which is never a bad thing.
Also, for Iran economic policy can quickly become foreign policy.
Being cut off from the rest of the world via sanctions has not helped there economy at all.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366031</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom for Iran!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245232080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Can you please post what we can do in order to help the Iranians throw over their dictatorship?</p></div><p>If you have the bandwidth (with a verizon fios account for example), run a proxy server that gives unlimited access to IP addresses from within Iran.<br><a href="http://blog.austinheap.com/2009/06/15/how-to-setup-a-proxy-for-iran-citizens/" title="austinheap.com">Here's How.</a> [austinheap.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Can you please post what we can do in order to help the Iranians throw over their dictatorship ? If you have the bandwidth ( with a verizon fios account for example ) , run a proxy server that gives unlimited access to IP addresses from within Iran.Here 's How .
[ austinheap.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can you please post what we can do in order to help the Iranians throw over their dictatorship?If you have the bandwidth (with a verizon fios account for example), run a proxy server that gives unlimited access to IP addresses from within Iran.Here's How.
[austinheap.com]
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28367927</id>
	<title>To all who say this is a beat-up...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245243300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>To all who say this is a beat-up or that these protesters dont speak for the Iranian people as a whole, go examine the evidence that the election WAS rigged.</p><p>For example, we have people who supposedly voted for Ahmadinejad who in reality would never have voted for Ahmadinejad.</p><p>These people voting for Ahmadinejad would have been like the Ku Klux Klan voting for Obama.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>To all who say this is a beat-up or that these protesters dont speak for the Iranian people as a whole , go examine the evidence that the election WAS rigged.For example , we have people who supposedly voted for Ahmadinejad who in reality would never have voted for Ahmadinejad.These people voting for Ahmadinejad would have been like the Ku Klux Klan voting for Obama .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>To all who say this is a beat-up or that these protesters dont speak for the Iranian people as a whole, go examine the evidence that the election WAS rigged.For example, we have people who supposedly voted for Ahmadinejad who in reality would never have voted for Ahmadinejad.These people voting for Ahmadinejad would have been like the Ku Klux Klan voting for Obama.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366401</id>
	<title>Listen...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245233700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>Everyone who thinks they are helping by siding with the Iranian opposition has a very poor understanding of Iranian politics.   It doesn't matter whether it's from the government or whether it's from regular Western citizens, helping the opposition figures does not help the United States in any way.  It just puts a different face on the same anti-Western government.  The difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi is on economic policy not foreign policy.  What makes you think that if they opposition was successful in their political ambitions that they would become pro-American?   Did they become pro-Israel after Israelis sold them weapons during the Iran Iraq war?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone who thinks they are helping by siding with the Iranian opposition has a very poor understanding of Iranian politics .
It does n't matter whether it 's from the government or whether it 's from regular Western citizens , helping the opposition figures does not help the United States in any way .
It just puts a different face on the same anti-Western government .
The difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi is on economic policy not foreign policy .
What makes you think that if they opposition was successful in their political ambitions that they would become pro-American ?
Did they become pro-Israel after Israelis sold them weapons during the Iran Iraq war ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone who thinks they are helping by siding with the Iranian opposition has a very poor understanding of Iranian politics.
It doesn't matter whether it's from the government or whether it's from regular Western citizens, helping the opposition figures does not help the United States in any way.
It just puts a different face on the same anti-Western government.
The difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi is on economic policy not foreign policy.
What makes you think that if they opposition was successful in their political ambitions that they would become pro-American?
Did they become pro-Israel after Israelis sold them weapons during the Iran Iraq war?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28367917</id>
	<title>yea. DO stay out of it</title>
	<author>unity100</author>
	<datestamp>1245243300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>so, the mullahs in iran can suppres citizens, keep bolstering hizbollah, lebanese hizbollah, (unbelievably a group of FOREIGN islamist recruits), and basj, strengthen in power and keep more effectively pursuing islamicization aims of any countries nearby AND europe, and then in a decade later, its at your door.</p><p>there are stuff you can do well to stay out (iraq), and stuff you should not (afghanistan, taliban, iran). if youre a not a moron that is<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</p><p>let me give you a historic example - chamberlain DID stay out of german affairs in 30s.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>so , the mullahs in iran can suppres citizens , keep bolstering hizbollah , lebanese hizbollah , ( unbelievably a group of FOREIGN islamist recruits ) , and basj , strengthen in power and keep more effectively pursuing islamicization aims of any countries nearby AND europe , and then in a decade later , its at your door.there are stuff you can do well to stay out ( iraq ) , and stuff you should not ( afghanistan , taliban , iran ) .
if youre a not a moron that is ...let me give you a historic example - chamberlain DID stay out of german affairs in 30s .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>so, the mullahs in iran can suppres citizens, keep bolstering hizbollah, lebanese hizbollah, (unbelievably a group of FOREIGN islamist recruits), and basj, strengthen in power and keep more effectively pursuing islamicization aims of any countries nearby AND europe, and then in a decade later, its at your door.there are stuff you can do well to stay out (iraq), and stuff you should not (afghanistan, taliban, iran).
if youre a not a moron that is ...let me give you a historic example - chamberlain DID stay out of german affairs in 30s.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28365939</id>
	<title>Fark</title>
	<author>RetroGeek</author>
	<datestamp>1245231540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hardly any time to post. Spending most of my time on Fark</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hardly any time to post .
Spending most of my time on Fark</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hardly any time to post.
Spending most of my time on Fark</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28368861</id>
	<title>Re:hhhmmmmm...</title>
	<author>mjwx</author>
	<datestamp>1245251940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>NATO troops to the east and west of Iran, a revolt going on inside Iran... what a coincidence.</p></div></blockquote><p>

From speaking with a Persian, I don't think that matters one iota, for all the rhetoric coming out of that blow hard "I'm a dinner jacket" or whatever his name is the average Persian doesn't care what Israel or the West does. This is about Iran.</p><blockquote><div><p>The U.S. might be behind this (telling Israel to use its excellent intelligence service, to apply some pressure here and there), or it's a gift from the heavens for Washington.</p></div></blockquote><p>

Mossad has openly said it would prefer Ahmedinjad to remain in power. This is where my paranoia kicks in and makes me think that this statement was carefully crafted statement by Mossad in case Ahmedinjad gets back in by underhanded or ambiguous means which could cause people to think that Mossad had some involvement with the goal of reducing the power of his rhetoric.</p><blockquote><div><p>China and Veneuela won't like the U.S. messing with Iran</p></div></blockquote><p>

Once again, I don't think China or Venezuela would care so long as the new government continued to honour current trade deals. China is comfortable with the US and feels strong enough that it can reject US influences on China but beyond that China doesn't care. Venezuela couldn't do anything even if it cared, the conflict between the US and Venezuela is largely imagined in the minds of the US.</p><blockquote><div><p>I'm not sure about the EU, but they're watching this very closely.</p></div></blockquote><p>

The EU is doing the same thing as the US, nothing. This is an internal Iranian problem and the US and EU governments have enough problems already, they wont do a thing. Neither will China (they are pretty insular), Russia (once again, they've got their own problems) or even India. It's good that so many US citizens wish the Persian people well but beyond words of support governments around the world will let this one sort itself out.<br> <br>

Whilst your paranoia is exceptional, this is just a coincidence. The under 30 age group is disproportionately large in Iran, they have notions of fairness and freedom, they may not be the exactly same as ours but they have them never the less.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>NATO troops to the east and west of Iran , a revolt going on inside Iran... what a coincidence .
From speaking with a Persian , I do n't think that matters one iota , for all the rhetoric coming out of that blow hard " I 'm a dinner jacket " or whatever his name is the average Persian does n't care what Israel or the West does .
This is about Iran.The U.S. might be behind this ( telling Israel to use its excellent intelligence service , to apply some pressure here and there ) , or it 's a gift from the heavens for Washington .
Mossad has openly said it would prefer Ahmedinjad to remain in power .
This is where my paranoia kicks in and makes me think that this statement was carefully crafted statement by Mossad in case Ahmedinjad gets back in by underhanded or ambiguous means which could cause people to think that Mossad had some involvement with the goal of reducing the power of his rhetoric.China and Veneuela wo n't like the U.S. messing with Iran Once again , I do n't think China or Venezuela would care so long as the new government continued to honour current trade deals .
China is comfortable with the US and feels strong enough that it can reject US influences on China but beyond that China does n't care .
Venezuela could n't do anything even if it cared , the conflict between the US and Venezuela is largely imagined in the minds of the US.I 'm not sure about the EU , but they 're watching this very closely .
The EU is doing the same thing as the US , nothing .
This is an internal Iranian problem and the US and EU governments have enough problems already , they wont do a thing .
Neither will China ( they are pretty insular ) , Russia ( once again , they 've got their own problems ) or even India .
It 's good that so many US citizens wish the Persian people well but beyond words of support governments around the world will let this one sort itself out .
Whilst your paranoia is exceptional , this is just a coincidence .
The under 30 age group is disproportionately large in Iran , they have notions of fairness and freedom , they may not be the exactly same as ours but they have them never the less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>NATO troops to the east and west of Iran, a revolt going on inside Iran... what a coincidence.
From speaking with a Persian, I don't think that matters one iota, for all the rhetoric coming out of that blow hard "I'm a dinner jacket" or whatever his name is the average Persian doesn't care what Israel or the West does.
This is about Iran.The U.S. might be behind this (telling Israel to use its excellent intelligence service, to apply some pressure here and there), or it's a gift from the heavens for Washington.
Mossad has openly said it would prefer Ahmedinjad to remain in power.
This is where my paranoia kicks in and makes me think that this statement was carefully crafted statement by Mossad in case Ahmedinjad gets back in by underhanded or ambiguous means which could cause people to think that Mossad had some involvement with the goal of reducing the power of his rhetoric.China and Veneuela won't like the U.S. messing with Iran

Once again, I don't think China or Venezuela would care so long as the new government continued to honour current trade deals.
China is comfortable with the US and feels strong enough that it can reject US influences on China but beyond that China doesn't care.
Venezuela couldn't do anything even if it cared, the conflict between the US and Venezuela is largely imagined in the minds of the US.I'm not sure about the EU, but they're watching this very closely.
The EU is doing the same thing as the US, nothing.
This is an internal Iranian problem and the US and EU governments have enough problems already, they wont do a thing.
Neither will China (they are pretty insular), Russia (once again, they've got their own problems) or even India.
It's good that so many US citizens wish the Persian people well but beyond words of support governments around the world will let this one sort itself out.
Whilst your paranoia is exceptional, this is just a coincidence.
The under 30 age group is disproportionately large in Iran, they have notions of fairness and freedom, they may not be the exactly same as ours but they have them never the less.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28367475</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom for Iran!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245239580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>This is actually quite simple:</p><p> <b>Nothing</b> </p><p>Seriously, stay out of it.  The Iranian government is already accusing the US of interfering in internal issues, and has lodged an official complaint through diplomatic channels.  This is mostly propaganda, but honestly the best thing we can do for them is to stay out of it.</p><p>In fact, if you see your local politician wanting to do something, tell them to shut up.  You're not friends to the people of Iran, and speaking up with your opinion is something they don't want to hear.</p></div><p>This is exactly what the Iranian government wants.</p><p>Fail harder.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>This is actually quite simple : Nothing Seriously , stay out of it .
The Iranian government is already accusing the US of interfering in internal issues , and has lodged an official complaint through diplomatic channels .
This is mostly propaganda , but honestly the best thing we can do for them is to stay out of it.In fact , if you see your local politician wanting to do something , tell them to shut up .
You 're not friends to the people of Iran , and speaking up with your opinion is something they do n't want to hear.This is exactly what the Iranian government wants.Fail harder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is actually quite simple: Nothing Seriously, stay out of it.
The Iranian government is already accusing the US of interfering in internal issues, and has lodged an official complaint through diplomatic channels.
This is mostly propaganda, but honestly the best thing we can do for them is to stay out of it.In fact, if you see your local politician wanting to do something, tell them to shut up.
You're not friends to the people of Iran, and speaking up with your opinion is something they don't want to hear.This is exactly what the Iranian government wants.Fail harder.
	</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28369079</id>
	<title>How you can help:  proxybox</title>
	<author>funkboy</author>
	<datestamp>1245253980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Set up <a href="http://punk.funk.nu/proxybox/" title="punk.funk.nu" rel="nofollow">this preconfigured proxy VM</a> [punk.funk.nu] and let <a href="http://blog.austinheap.com/2009/06/16/how-to-setup-a-proxy-for-iran-citizens-virtual-machine-disk-format/" title="austinheap.com" rel="nofollow">Austin Heap</a> [austinheap.com] know about it.  Read his <a href="http://blog.austinheap.com/2009/06/17/best-proxy-practices-bpp-and-an-update/" title="austinheap.com" rel="nofollow">best practices guide</a> [austinheap.com] to make it as effective as possible. The Iranian government has very nice Nokia Siemens inspection filters on all the terrestrial traffic leaving the country and is jamming many sat freqs.  Randomized ports to random proxy hosts and SSH tunnels are about the only way to get through; they've of course blocked all the usual proxy ports.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Set up this preconfigured proxy VM [ punk.funk.nu ] and let Austin Heap [ austinheap.com ] know about it .
Read his best practices guide [ austinheap.com ] to make it as effective as possible .
The Iranian government has very nice Nokia Siemens inspection filters on all the terrestrial traffic leaving the country and is jamming many sat freqs .
Randomized ports to random proxy hosts and SSH tunnels are about the only way to get through ; they 've of course blocked all the usual proxy ports .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Set up this preconfigured proxy VM [punk.funk.nu] and let Austin Heap [austinheap.com] know about it.
Read his best practices guide [austinheap.com] to make it as effective as possible.
The Iranian government has very nice Nokia Siemens inspection filters on all the terrestrial traffic leaving the country and is jamming many sat freqs.
Randomized ports to random proxy hosts and SSH tunnels are about the only way to get through; they've of course blocked all the usual proxy ports.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28383521</id>
	<title>This is great, but it's terrifying</title>
	<author>Dripdry</author>
	<datestamp>1245331980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is great, and kudos to all who are helping.<br>However, other, more important and powerful world forces are watching carefully to see how the Iranian people conduct their revolution. If the time should come when bigger powers are at risk it seems to me that the chinks in the armor of totalitarianism will not be there for the rebellious (i'm looking at you, China; maybe even the US if you want to put your tin foil hat on and believe that pretty much everybody in the US isn't a sheeple already.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is great , and kudos to all who are helping.However , other , more important and powerful world forces are watching carefully to see how the Iranian people conduct their revolution .
If the time should come when bigger powers are at risk it seems to me that the chinks in the armor of totalitarianism will not be there for the rebellious ( i 'm looking at you , China ; maybe even the US if you want to put your tin foil hat on and believe that pretty much everybody in the US is n't a sheeple already .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is great, and kudos to all who are helping.However, other, more important and powerful world forces are watching carefully to see how the Iranian people conduct their revolution.
If the time should come when bigger powers are at risk it seems to me that the chinks in the armor of totalitarianism will not be there for the rebellious (i'm looking at you, China; maybe even the US if you want to put your tin foil hat on and believe that pretty much everybody in the US isn't a sheeple already.
)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366763</id>
	<title>Re:Listen...</title>
	<author>DnemoniX</author>
	<datestamp>1245235500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm thinking that you in fact have a very low understanding of Iranian politics. Otherwise you would know that the Iranian President only wields so much of the power. The real seat of power rests with the Supreme Leader, for now this is Ayatollah Khamenei. Mousavi isn't a moderate as far as such terms may apply but he is way closer to the center than Ahmadinejad. The likely successor of Ayatollah Khamenei, if the revolution succeeds, would be Ayatollah Montazeri. Who is pro-Democracy, pro-Human Rights and one of the biggest proponents of women and civil rights for ALL Iranians, including much-maligned minorities like the Baha'is. In fact he goes further than the protections afforded to them under Sharia. He would be the one calling the shots.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm thinking that you in fact have a very low understanding of Iranian politics .
Otherwise you would know that the Iranian President only wields so much of the power .
The real seat of power rests with the Supreme Leader , for now this is Ayatollah Khamenei .
Mousavi is n't a moderate as far as such terms may apply but he is way closer to the center than Ahmadinejad .
The likely successor of Ayatollah Khamenei , if the revolution succeeds , would be Ayatollah Montazeri .
Who is pro-Democracy , pro-Human Rights and one of the biggest proponents of women and civil rights for ALL Iranians , including much-maligned minorities like the Baha'is .
In fact he goes further than the protections afforded to them under Sharia .
He would be the one calling the shots .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm thinking that you in fact have a very low understanding of Iranian politics.
Otherwise you would know that the Iranian President only wields so much of the power.
The real seat of power rests with the Supreme Leader, for now this is Ayatollah Khamenei.
Mousavi isn't a moderate as far as such terms may apply but he is way closer to the center than Ahmadinejad.
The likely successor of Ayatollah Khamenei, if the revolution succeeds, would be Ayatollah Montazeri.
Who is pro-Democracy, pro-Human Rights and one of the biggest proponents of women and civil rights for ALL Iranians, including much-maligned minorities like the Baha'is.
In fact he goes further than the protections afforded to them under Sharia.
He would be the one calling the shots.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366401</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366667</id>
	<title>Low-intensity?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245235020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>These protests are only low-intensity if you count that the protesters aren't starting violence.  There have been literally millions of protesters in each of several cities--and these are the ones who are coming out despite the very real threat of attack from paramilitary forces.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>These protests are only low-intensity if you count that the protesters are n't starting violence .
There have been literally millions of protesters in each of several cities--and these are the ones who are coming out despite the very real threat of attack from paramilitary forces .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>These protests are only low-intensity if you count that the protesters aren't starting violence.
There have been literally millions of protesters in each of several cities--and these are the ones who are coming out despite the very real threat of attack from paramilitary forces.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28368259</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom for Iran!</title>
	<author>religious freak</author>
	<datestamp>1245245820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Seriously, stay out of it.</p></div><p>Yes, I definitely agree.  Our GOVERNMENT should stay out of it.  But if US citizens want to offer bandwidth, technical expertise etc on a person to person basis halfway across the world to Iranians who want a say in their own government, I can think of no greater gift of goodwill or empowerment.  <br> <br>
It's the dawning of the <i>true</i> Internet age!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , stay out of it.Yes , I definitely agree .
Our GOVERNMENT should stay out of it .
But if US citizens want to offer bandwidth , technical expertise etc on a person to person basis halfway across the world to Iranians who want a say in their own government , I can think of no greater gift of goodwill or empowerment .
It 's the dawning of the true Internet age !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, stay out of it.Yes, I definitely agree.
Our GOVERNMENT should stay out of it.
But if US citizens want to offer bandwidth, technical expertise etc on a person to person basis halfway across the world to Iranians who want a say in their own government, I can think of no greater gift of goodwill or empowerment.
It's the dawning of the true Internet age!
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28368073</id>
	<title>+1 Insightful/Interesting/etc</title>
	<author>KingAlanI</author>
	<datestamp>1245244380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>No mod points for me today, so:</p><p>Yeah, you're right, I fear the US, or at least the US powers-that-be, would be hypocritical if that kind of shitstorm was happening here. However, I'd say that that kind if political hypocrisy is an "everyone does it" game (don't make it right)<br>However, the concept in your example seems to fall in the "likely couldn't understand it completely 'on paper' category</p><p>Any particular reason for selecting San Francisco as the US city in your example? If Libertarian politics have anything to do with your example, Boston, NYC, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Richmond, Atlanta, Chicago, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Kansas City and/or Dallas would also be appropriate.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:P</p><p>You do have important words of caution on the Iranian developments, I'd say</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>No mod points for me today , so : Yeah , you 're right , I fear the US , or at least the US powers-that-be , would be hypocritical if that kind of shitstorm was happening here .
However , I 'd say that that kind if political hypocrisy is an " everyone does it " game ( do n't make it right ) However , the concept in your example seems to fall in the " likely could n't understand it completely 'on paper ' categoryAny particular reason for selecting San Francisco as the US city in your example ?
If Libertarian politics have anything to do with your example , Boston , NYC , Philadelphia , Cleveland , Richmond , Atlanta , Chicago , St. Louis , Minneapolis , Kansas City and/or Dallas would also be appropriate .
: PYou do have important words of caution on the Iranian developments , I 'd say</tokentext>
<sentencetext>No mod points for me today, so:Yeah, you're right, I fear the US, or at least the US powers-that-be, would be hypocritical if that kind of shitstorm was happening here.
However, I'd say that that kind if political hypocrisy is an "everyone does it" game (don't make it right)However, the concept in your example seems to fall in the "likely couldn't understand it completely 'on paper' categoryAny particular reason for selecting San Francisco as the US city in your example?
If Libertarian politics have anything to do with your example, Boston, NYC, Philadelphia, Cleveland, Richmond, Atlanta, Chicago, St. Louis, Minneapolis, Kansas City and/or Dallas would also be appropriate.
:PYou do have important words of caution on the Iranian developments, I'd say</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28367395</id>
	<title>Shoe on the other foot</title>
	<author>dave562</author>
	<datestamp>1245239220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>What if instead of Iran and Tehran, it was the United States of America and San Francisco?  What if instead of Iranian opposite party, it was Libertarians?  What if instead of US citizens assisting Iranians dissidents, it was Chinese assisting US dissidents?  Would it be a good thing, or an assault on our national sovreignty?</p><p>Until we hear otherwise, we have a violent minority who are upset about being under-represented.  We also have sympathetic outsiders who are willing to support them.</p><p>The whole situation is pretty bitter sweet.  On one hand, there are a group of people who are standing up for a Westernized idea of freedom.  On the other hand, they are the minority voice in a country that for the most part seems okay with a pious, religious based social order.  For democracy to work, the minority has to behave themselves and go along with what the majority has decided on.</p><p>I'm not a big fan of the socialization of our economic system, but you don't see me organizing violent protests in the street and demanding a return to a fiscal system more in line with what was defined in the Constitution.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>What if instead of Iran and Tehran , it was the United States of America and San Francisco ?
What if instead of Iranian opposite party , it was Libertarians ?
What if instead of US citizens assisting Iranians dissidents , it was Chinese assisting US dissidents ?
Would it be a good thing , or an assault on our national sovreignty ? Until we hear otherwise , we have a violent minority who are upset about being under-represented .
We also have sympathetic outsiders who are willing to support them.The whole situation is pretty bitter sweet .
On one hand , there are a group of people who are standing up for a Westernized idea of freedom .
On the other hand , they are the minority voice in a country that for the most part seems okay with a pious , religious based social order .
For democracy to work , the minority has to behave themselves and go along with what the majority has decided on.I 'm not a big fan of the socialization of our economic system , but you do n't see me organizing violent protests in the street and demanding a return to a fiscal system more in line with what was defined in the Constitution .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>What if instead of Iran and Tehran, it was the United States of America and San Francisco?
What if instead of Iranian opposite party, it was Libertarians?
What if instead of US citizens assisting Iranians dissidents, it was Chinese assisting US dissidents?
Would it be a good thing, or an assault on our national sovreignty?Until we hear otherwise, we have a violent minority who are upset about being under-represented.
We also have sympathetic outsiders who are willing to support them.The whole situation is pretty bitter sweet.
On one hand, there are a group of people who are standing up for a Westernized idea of freedom.
On the other hand, they are the minority voice in a country that for the most part seems okay with a pious, religious based social order.
For democracy to work, the minority has to behave themselves and go along with what the majority has decided on.I'm not a big fan of the socialization of our economic system, but you don't see me organizing violent protests in the street and demanding a return to a fiscal system more in line with what was defined in the Constitution.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28367221</id>
	<title>Re:Listen...</title>
	<author>jmorris42</author>
	<datestamp>1245237900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; Everyone who thinks they are helping by siding with the Iranian opposition<br>&gt; has a very poor understanding of Iranian politics.</p><p>People are risking death over a stolen election.  If they succeed I'd suspect they will a) take their new found liberty a bit more seriously than the average American who usually can't even be bothered to vote and b) after getting a taste of what Liberty is all about they just might decide the like it and want more.</p><p>Look, I'm a conservative and all, but Kennedy had some things dead on.  Like this:</p><p>"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.    4</p><p>
&nbsp; &nbsp; This much we pledge--and more."</p><p>Now would be a good time to at least stand up and make sure the Iranians know we hope they succeed.  And yes I know that too much open support of the rebel forces would backfire.  But it would be nice to see our government have the courage give the opposition some sign of support.</p><p>And besides, there is always the realpolitik angle, if they collapse into civil war it might slow down their nuke program a bit, buying time to find some solution other than waiting for Israel to solve the problem with high explosives.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; Everyone who thinks they are helping by siding with the Iranian opposition &gt; has a very poor understanding of Iranian politics.People are risking death over a stolen election .
If they succeed I 'd suspect they will a ) take their new found liberty a bit more seriously than the average American who usually ca n't even be bothered to vote and b ) after getting a taste of what Liberty is all about they just might decide the like it and want more.Look , I 'm a conservative and all , but Kennedy had some things dead on .
Like this : " Let every nation know , whether it wishes us well or ill , that we shall pay any price , bear any burden , meet any hardship , support any friend , oppose any foe , in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty .
4     This much we pledge--and more .
" Now would be a good time to at least stand up and make sure the Iranians know we hope they succeed .
And yes I know that too much open support of the rebel forces would backfire .
But it would be nice to see our government have the courage give the opposition some sign of support.And besides , there is always the realpolitik angle , if they collapse into civil war it might slow down their nuke program a bit , buying time to find some solution other than waiting for Israel to solve the problem with high explosives .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; Everyone who thinks they are helping by siding with the Iranian opposition&gt; has a very poor understanding of Iranian politics.People are risking death over a stolen election.
If they succeed I'd suspect they will a) take their new found liberty a bit more seriously than the average American who usually can't even be bothered to vote and b) after getting a taste of what Liberty is all about they just might decide the like it and want more.Look, I'm a conservative and all, but Kennedy had some things dead on.
Like this:"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.
4
    This much we pledge--and more.
"Now would be a good time to at least stand up and make sure the Iranians know we hope they succeed.
And yes I know that too much open support of the rebel forces would backfire.
But it would be nice to see our government have the courage give the opposition some sign of support.And besides, there is always the realpolitik angle, if they collapse into civil war it might slow down their nuke program a bit, buying time to find some solution other than waiting for Israel to solve the problem with high explosives.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366295</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom for Iran!</title>
	<author>0100010001010011</author>
	<datestamp>1245233160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Sign up for twitter.<br>Change your Time Zone and Location to Tehran.</p><p>Re twitter stuff from trusted sources, paraphrasing it and not attributing it to them. It'll make it harder and jack up the noise of people looking for the actual tweeters.</p><p>E-mail CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS etc and ask them why this isn't being covered more.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Sign up for twitter.Change your Time Zone and Location to Tehran.Re twitter stuff from trusted sources , paraphrasing it and not attributing it to them .
It 'll make it harder and jack up the noise of people looking for the actual tweeters.E-mail CNN , MSNBC , NBC , CBS etc and ask them why this is n't being covered more .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sign up for twitter.Change your Time Zone and Location to Tehran.Re twitter stuff from trusted sources, paraphrasing it and not attributing it to them.
It'll make it harder and jack up the noise of people looking for the actual tweeters.E-mail CNN, MSNBC, NBC, CBS etc and ask them why this isn't being covered more.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28365943</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28368103</id>
	<title>Re:Listen...</title>
	<author>marcosdumay</author>
	<datestamp>1245244620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>"What makes you think that if they opposition was successful in their political ambitions that they would become pro-American?"</p></div> </blockquote><p>That is the kind of thing that creates anti-american sentiment. Souldn't you be expecting a party that is pro-iranians, instead of pro-America?</p><p>And yes, every pro-America dictator that the US has put in the middle east turned anti-America as soon as the circunstances made it more luvrative. Only a fool would expecting a different behaviour.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" What makes you think that if they opposition was successful in their political ambitions that they would become pro-American ?
" That is the kind of thing that creates anti-american sentiment .
Sould n't you be expecting a party that is pro-iranians , instead of pro-America ? And yes , every pro-America dictator that the US has put in the middle east turned anti-America as soon as the circunstances made it more luvrative .
Only a fool would expecting a different behaviour .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"What makes you think that if they opposition was successful in their political ambitions that they would become pro-American?
" That is the kind of thing that creates anti-american sentiment.
Souldn't you be expecting a party that is pro-iranians, instead of pro-America?And yes, every pro-America dictator that the US has put in the middle east turned anti-America as soon as the circunstances made it more luvrative.
Only a fool would expecting a different behaviour.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366561</id>
	<title>Maybe next time...</title>
	<author>space\_hippy</author>
	<datestamp>1245234480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'm glad this didn't happen in the US for our last Presidential election.  But maybe next time, riots for 2012!!!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm glad this did n't happen in the US for our last Presidential election .
But maybe next time , riots for 2012 ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm glad this didn't happen in the US for our last Presidential election.
But maybe next time, riots for 2012!!
!</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28369841</id>
	<title>Re:Listen...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245261720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You have just demonstrated why Democracy is completely different to being 'pro-American'.</p><p>Congratulations on the courageous stand.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You have just demonstrated why Democracy is completely different to being 'pro-American'.Congratulations on the courageous stand .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You have just demonstrated why Democracy is completely different to being 'pro-American'.Congratulations on the courageous stand.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28374199</id>
	<title>The crazy fanatic puppets always use CAPS-LOCK</title>
	<author>thijsh</author>
	<datestamp>1245340740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This guy '<b>connect2raza</b>' I see spamming almost all Iran discussions seems to have his CAPS key stuck for at least a year! This has to be some kind of record!!!<br>
Just google his name and you'll find his little upper-case-copy-paste diamonds of high-pressure-brainwashing everywhere (most on press TV): <a href="http://www.google.nl/search?q=connect2raza" title="google.nl" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.nl/search?q=connect2raza</a> [google.nl] <br> <br>
Is this the best netwar-soldier from the Iranian government, a loser with a broken-ass-keyboard?</htmltext>
<tokenext>This guy 'connect2raza ' I see spamming almost all Iran discussions seems to have his CAPS key stuck for at least a year !
This has to be some kind of record ! ! !
Just google his name and you 'll find his little upper-case-copy-paste diamonds of high-pressure-brainwashing everywhere ( most on press TV ) : http : //www.google.nl/search ? q = connect2raza [ google.nl ] Is this the best netwar-soldier from the Iranian government , a loser with a broken-ass-keyboard ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This guy 'connect2raza' I see spamming almost all Iran discussions seems to have his CAPS key stuck for at least a year!
This has to be some kind of record!!!
Just google his name and you'll find his little upper-case-copy-paste diamonds of high-pressure-brainwashing everywhere (most on press TV): http://www.google.nl/search?q=connect2raza [google.nl]  
Is this the best netwar-soldier from the Iranian government, a loser with a broken-ass-keyboard?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28369341</id>
	<title>A lot of people having this same thought ...</title>
	<author>enselsharon</author>
	<datestamp>1245256800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The phrase:</p><p>"the information technologies that are the mainstay of modern society can become its weapons, as well"</p><p>is very similar to what is being said in the "Free Speech or Stone Age" meme that has sprung up:</p><p>"Once again, the standardization and interoperability of these protocols<br>that so readily enables anonymous free speech are the same qualities that<br>make them so valuable to commerce.  You cannot restrict access to this<br>functionality and continue to take part in modern commerce."</p><p><a href="http://blog.kozubik.com/john\_kozubik/2009/06/free-speech-or-stone-age.html" title="kozubik.com" rel="nofollow">http://blog.kozubik.com/john\_kozubik/2009/06/free-speech-or-stone-age.html</a> [kozubik.com]</p><p>(I recommend the entire article that is linked from the blog synopsis...)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The phrase : " the information technologies that are the mainstay of modern society can become its weapons , as well " is very similar to what is being said in the " Free Speech or Stone Age " meme that has sprung up : " Once again , the standardization and interoperability of these protocolsthat so readily enables anonymous free speech are the same qualities thatmake them so valuable to commerce .
You can not restrict access to thisfunctionality and continue to take part in modern commerce .
" http : //blog.kozubik.com/john \ _kozubik/2009/06/free-speech-or-stone-age.html [ kozubik.com ] ( I recommend the entire article that is linked from the blog synopsis... )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The phrase:"the information technologies that are the mainstay of modern society can become its weapons, as well"is very similar to what is being said in the "Free Speech or Stone Age" meme that has sprung up:"Once again, the standardization and interoperability of these protocolsthat so readily enables anonymous free speech are the same qualities thatmake them so valuable to commerce.
You cannot restrict access to thisfunctionality and continue to take part in modern commerce.
"http://blog.kozubik.com/john\_kozubik/2009/06/free-speech-or-stone-age.html [kozubik.com](I recommend the entire article that is linked from the blog synopsis...)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28372961</id>
	<title>Re:hhhmmmmm...</title>
	<author>Eli Gottlieb</author>
	<datestamp>1245335280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Basically, you're paranoid and it's the fault of people like you that the supporters of the old regime in Iran would constantly claim that the freer regime installed by the people, Islamic though it be, is an agent of America or Israel.  Stop feeding the conspiracy mill if you have no evidence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Basically , you 're paranoid and it 's the fault of people like you that the supporters of the old regime in Iran would constantly claim that the freer regime installed by the people , Islamic though it be , is an agent of America or Israel .
Stop feeding the conspiracy mill if you have no evidence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Basically, you're paranoid and it's the fault of people like you that the supporters of the old regime in Iran would constantly claim that the freer regime installed by the people, Islamic though it be, is an agent of America or Israel.
Stop feeding the conspiracy mill if you have no evidence.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366945</id>
	<title>Re:Listen...</title>
	<author>TheSync</author>
	<datestamp>1245236340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>The difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi is on economic policy not foreign policy. </i></p><p>An Iran whose economic regulations and corruption keep it poor is more dangerous than a prosperous Iran, because if they are prosperous they have more to lose from hurting their trading partners, and there is less need for the government to do "wag the dog" things to distract the populace from the poor economic situation.</p><p>At the same time, I don't suspect that Iranian support for Hezbollah, etc., is going away any time soon.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi is on economic policy not foreign policy .
An Iran whose economic regulations and corruption keep it poor is more dangerous than a prosperous Iran , because if they are prosperous they have more to lose from hurting their trading partners , and there is less need for the government to do " wag the dog " things to distract the populace from the poor economic situation.At the same time , I do n't suspect that Iranian support for Hezbollah , etc. , is going away any time soon .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi is on economic policy not foreign policy.
An Iran whose economic regulations and corruption keep it poor is more dangerous than a prosperous Iran, because if they are prosperous they have more to lose from hurting their trading partners, and there is less need for the government to do "wag the dog" things to distract the populace from the poor economic situation.At the same time, I don't suspect that Iranian support for Hezbollah, etc., is going away any time soon.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366401</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28368615</id>
	<title>i just hope the basij and the republican guards</title>
	<author>circletimessquare</author>
	<datestamp>1245249720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>don't pull a tiananmen square and just start machine gunning everyone</p><p>that really worries me<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-(</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>do n't pull a tiananmen square and just start machine gunning everyonethat really worries me ; - (</tokentext>
<sentencetext>don't pull a tiananmen square and just start machine gunning everyonethat really worries me ;-(</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28365943</id>
	<title>Freedom for Iran!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245231540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Can you please post what we can do in order to help the Iranians throw over their dictatorship?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Can you please post what we can do in order to help the Iranians throw over their dictatorship ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Can you please post what we can do in order to help the Iranians throw over their dictatorship?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366247</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom for Iran!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245232980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People are people first, and citizens of their respective countries second.</p><p>If they ask for help, and I'm able to do anything, I won't hesitate to do so.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People are people first , and citizens of their respective countries second.If they ask for help , and I 'm able to do anything , I wo n't hesitate to do so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People are people first, and citizens of their respective countries second.If they ask for help, and I'm able to do anything, I won't hesitate to do so.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366075</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28369285</id>
	<title>Re:Listen...</title>
	<author>Rik Rohl</author>
	<datestamp>1245256140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Legitimate governments tend to be more moderate and more, uh, sane.</p></div></blockquote><p>Uh, you realize that the DEMOCRATICALLY elected government in Afghanistan, which was brought in by the US Government is thinking about reintroducing Sharia Law?<br>What were you saying about governments and sanity?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Legitimate governments tend to be more moderate and more , uh , sane.Uh , you realize that the DEMOCRATICALLY elected government in Afghanistan , which was brought in by the US Government is thinking about reintroducing Sharia Law ? What were you saying about governments and sanity ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Legitimate governments tend to be more moderate and more, uh, sane.Uh, you realize that the DEMOCRATICALLY elected government in Afghanistan, which was brought in by the US Government is thinking about reintroducing Sharia Law?What were you saying about governments and sanity?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366751</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366075</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom for Iran!</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245232260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is actually quite simple:</p><p><b>Nothing</b></p><p>Seriously, stay out of it.  The Iranian government is already accusing the US of interfering in internal issues, and has lodged an official complaint through diplomatic channels.  This is mostly propaganda, but honestly the best thing we can do for them is to stay out of it.</p><p>In fact, if you see your local politician wanting to do something, tell them to shut up.  You're not friends to the people of Iran, and speaking up with your opinion is something they don't want to hear.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is actually quite simple : NothingSeriously , stay out of it .
The Iranian government is already accusing the US of interfering in internal issues , and has lodged an official complaint through diplomatic channels .
This is mostly propaganda , but honestly the best thing we can do for them is to stay out of it.In fact , if you see your local politician wanting to do something , tell them to shut up .
You 're not friends to the people of Iran , and speaking up with your opinion is something they do n't want to hear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is actually quite simple:NothingSeriously, stay out of it.
The Iranian government is already accusing the US of interfering in internal issues, and has lodged an official complaint through diplomatic channels.
This is mostly propaganda, but honestly the best thing we can do for them is to stay out of it.In fact, if you see your local politician wanting to do something, tell them to shut up.
You're not friends to the people of Iran, and speaking up with your opinion is something they don't want to hear.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28365943</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366929</id>
	<title>Re:Fark</title>
	<author>Alphager</author>
	<datestamp>1245236280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Hardly any time to post. Spending most of my time on Fark</p></div><p>Yup, Fark is the place to be. <br> Best coverage currently. <br>
You should have liniked to Tatsumas writeup of the events: <a href="https://sites.google.com/site/tatsumairanupdate/" title="google.com">https://sites.google.com/site/tatsumairanupdate/</a> [google.com]</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Hardly any time to post .
Spending most of my time on FarkYup , Fark is the place to be .
Best coverage currently .
You should have liniked to Tatsumas writeup of the events : https : //sites.google.com/site/tatsumairanupdate/ [ google.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hardly any time to post.
Spending most of my time on FarkYup, Fark is the place to be.
Best coverage currently.
You should have liniked to Tatsumas writeup of the events: https://sites.google.com/site/tatsumairanupdate/ [google.com]
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28365939</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28369407</id>
	<title>Re:Listen...</title>
	<author>Anik315</author>
	<datestamp>1245257640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>1.) If you're somewhere in Europe or North America, it's the same deal.

2.) You should, but in practice you almost never do.

3.) Hitler was democratically elected.</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 .
) If you 're somewhere in Europe or North America , it 's the same deal .
2. ) You should , but in practice you almost never do .
3. ) Hitler was democratically elected .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1.
) If you're somewhere in Europe or North America, it's the same deal.
2.) You should, but in practice you almost never do.
3.) Hitler was democratically elected.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366751</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28367335</id>
	<title>Re:Listen...</title>
	<author>DragonWriter</author>
	<datestamp>1245238740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Everyone who thinks they are helping by siding with the Iranian opposition has a very poor understanding of Iranian politics. It doesn't matter whether it's from the government or whether it's from regular Western citizens, helping the opposition figures does not help the United States in any way. It just puts a different face on the same anti-Western government. The difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi is on economic policy not foreign policy.</p></div></blockquote><p>Economic and other domestic policy makes a huge difference to the long-term prospects for freedom and real and durable democracy in Iran, and a big deal (in part because of the preceding, and independently of it) in the long-term prospects for Iran being a peaceful regime, however small the near term foreign policy differences are.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Everyone who thinks they are helping by siding with the Iranian opposition has a very poor understanding of Iranian politics .
It does n't matter whether it 's from the government or whether it 's from regular Western citizens , helping the opposition figures does not help the United States in any way .
It just puts a different face on the same anti-Western government .
The difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi is on economic policy not foreign policy.Economic and other domestic policy makes a huge difference to the long-term prospects for freedom and real and durable democracy in Iran , and a big deal ( in part because of the preceding , and independently of it ) in the long-term prospects for Iran being a peaceful regime , however small the near term foreign policy differences are .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Everyone who thinks they are helping by siding with the Iranian opposition has a very poor understanding of Iranian politics.
It doesn't matter whether it's from the government or whether it's from regular Western citizens, helping the opposition figures does not help the United States in any way.
It just puts a different face on the same anti-Western government.
The difference between Ahmadinejad and Mousavi is on economic policy not foreign policy.Economic and other domestic policy makes a huge difference to the long-term prospects for freedom and real and durable democracy in Iran, and a big deal (in part because of the preceding, and independently of it) in the long-term prospects for Iran being a peaceful regime, however small the near term foreign policy differences are.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366401</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28369827</id>
	<title>First shot in a War of Independence...for the Web?</title>
	<author>Mechanized Elf</author>
	<datestamp>1245261540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>All of this is starting to feel like more than just an Iranian power struggle.  I wonder if we might look back in a decade and see this moment as a first sign of Web Sovereignty--and realize that for all our hand-wringing over the BRIC countries' economic rise, the next truly global power will not be national in origin, but technological.  Even if the popular protests "fail" in Iran, the comraderie, the sense of identity and belonging, as *citizens* of the Web, is likely to persist.</htmltext>
<tokenext>All of this is starting to feel like more than just an Iranian power struggle .
I wonder if we might look back in a decade and see this moment as a first sign of Web Sovereignty--and realize that for all our hand-wringing over the BRIC countries ' economic rise , the next truly global power will not be national in origin , but technological .
Even if the popular protests " fail " in Iran , the comraderie , the sense of identity and belonging , as * citizens * of the Web , is likely to persist .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>All of this is starting to feel like more than just an Iranian power struggle.
I wonder if we might look back in a decade and see this moment as a first sign of Web Sovereignty--and realize that for all our hand-wringing over the BRIC countries' economic rise, the next truly global power will not be national in origin, but technological.
Even if the popular protests "fail" in Iran, the comraderie, the sense of identity and belonging, as *citizens* of the Web, is likely to persist.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28367855</id>
	<title>new technology</title>
	<author>binaryseraph</author>
	<datestamp>1245242640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Iran needs Iphones</htmltext>
<tokenext>Iran needs Iphones</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Iran needs Iphones</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366677</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom for Iran!</title>
	<author>cptdondo</author>
	<datestamp>1245235080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn&#226;(TM)t speak up because I wasn&#226;(TM)t a Communist;<br>And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn&#226;(TM)t speak up because I wasn&#226;(TM)t a trade unionist;<br>And then they came for the Jews, And I didn&#226;(TM)t speak up because I wasn&#226;(TM)t a Jew;<br>And then... they came for me... And by that time there was no one left to speak up."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" In Germany , they came first for the Communists , And I didn   ( TM ) t speak up because I wasn   ( TM ) t a Communist ; And then they came for the trade unionists , And I didn   ( TM ) t speak up because I wasn   ( TM ) t a trade unionist ; And then they came for the Jews , And I didn   ( TM ) t speak up because I wasn   ( TM ) t a Jew ; And then... they came for me... And by that time there was no one left to speak up .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didnâ(TM)t speak up because I wasnâ(TM)t a Communist;And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didnâ(TM)t speak up because I wasnâ(TM)t a trade unionist;And then they came for the Jews, And I didnâ(TM)t speak up because I wasnâ(TM)t a Jew;And then... they came for me... And by that time there was no one left to speak up.
"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366075</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28367959</id>
	<title>What if instead of Iran and Tehran</title>
	<author>falconwolf</author>
	<datestamp>1245243480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>it was the United States of America and San Francisco?</i></p><p>No, it'd be California, the 8th largest economy in the world, or New Hampshire.  Libertarians chose the state for the <a href="http://www.freestateproject.org/" title="freestateproject.org">Free State Project</a> [freestateproject.org].</p><p>

Falcon</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it was the United States of America and San Francisco ? No , it 'd be California , the 8th largest economy in the world , or New Hampshire .
Libertarians chose the state for the Free State Project [ freestateproject.org ] .
Falcon</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it was the United States of America and San Francisco?No, it'd be California, the 8th largest economy in the world, or New Hampshire.
Libertarians chose the state for the Free State Project [freestateproject.org].
Falcon</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28367395</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28371547</id>
	<title>Re:Impressed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245323820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>it wasnt that great really</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>it wasnt that great really</tokentext>
<sentencetext>it wasnt that great really</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28365929</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28367835</id>
	<title>New Media is Nothing Without People</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245242400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The reason new media was effective was because it was beyond the understanding of the regime. As they grow to figure out things like Twitter, the effectivenes of new media will decline. That's why you'll never be able to beat word of mouth. Stories like this http://newfromthenews.com/2009/06/17/robert-fisk-makes-his-own-rules/ just go to prove that. You can shut down Facebook and Twitter, but not people. Foreign media is banned, but he stayed behind to get the story and send it out the old fashioned way. And any other way he could.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The reason new media was effective was because it was beyond the understanding of the regime .
As they grow to figure out things like Twitter , the effectivenes of new media will decline .
That 's why you 'll never be able to beat word of mouth .
Stories like this http : //newfromthenews.com/2009/06/17/robert-fisk-makes-his-own-rules/ just go to prove that .
You can shut down Facebook and Twitter , but not people .
Foreign media is banned , but he stayed behind to get the story and send it out the old fashioned way .
And any other way he could .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The reason new media was effective was because it was beyond the understanding of the regime.
As they grow to figure out things like Twitter, the effectivenes of new media will decline.
That's why you'll never be able to beat word of mouth.
Stories like this http://newfromthenews.com/2009/06/17/robert-fisk-makes-his-own-rules/ just go to prove that.
You can shut down Facebook and Twitter, but not people.
Foreign media is banned, but he stayed behind to get the story and send it out the old fashioned way.
And any other way he could.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28368417</id>
	<title>Re:Impressed</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245247560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>You mean <i>replace</i> an admin here at<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>You mean replace an admin here at / .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>You mean replace an admin here at /.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28365929</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28365929</id>
	<title>Impressed</title>
	<author>arizwebfoot</author>
	<datestamp>1245231480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>TFA was one of the best written, well thought out blogs I've ever had the pleasure to read.  Indeed JournalSquared should be invited to be an admin here at<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/.</htmltext>
<tokenext>TFA was one of the best written , well thought out blogs I 've ever had the pleasure to read .
Indeed JournalSquared should be invited to be an admin here at / .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>TFA was one of the best written, well thought out blogs I've ever had the pleasure to read.
Indeed JournalSquared should be invited to be an admin here at /.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28367353</id>
	<title>hhhmmmmm...</title>
	<author>Eternal Annoyance</author>
	<datestamp>1245238860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Am I paranoid or is this coincidence?<br><br>NATO troops to the east and west of Iran, a revolt going on inside Iran... what a coincidence.<br><br>The U.S. might be behind this (telling Israel to use its excellent intelligence service, to apply some pressure here and there), or it's a gift from the heavens for Washington.<br><br>Why would it be a gift from the heavens for the U.S.? Simple, a while ago Iran set up an alternative oil-market to the U.S. one which was based on the Euro. Now, the only thing which needs to happen is that an U.S. friendly government "should" be installed and that problem is solved... but wait.<br><br>China and Veneuela won't like the U.S. messing with Iran and I'm not sure about the EU, but they're watching this very closely. This could go in any direction, but it will most likely benefit China.<br><br>If the U.S. and/or Israeli intelligence services appear to be involved and this net-war is stopped by the Iranian government, there's a good chance nothing will come out of this.<br><br>On the other hand; if the net-war succeeds and the Iranian government is toppled while information gets out that the CIA or Mossad are behind this... China and Venezuela might just get pissed. The latter doesn't worry me but the first does.<br><br>So, who stands to proffit from this? For the U.S. or Israel the price is a bit too high. China is too obvious and I doubt Venezuela can afford to stage this.<br><br>So, who's REALLY behind this? The stakes run too high to be just the people.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Am I paranoid or is this coincidence ? NATO troops to the east and west of Iran , a revolt going on inside Iran... what a coincidence.The U.S. might be behind this ( telling Israel to use its excellent intelligence service , to apply some pressure here and there ) , or it 's a gift from the heavens for Washington.Why would it be a gift from the heavens for the U.S. ?
Simple , a while ago Iran set up an alternative oil-market to the U.S. one which was based on the Euro .
Now , the only thing which needs to happen is that an U.S. friendly government " should " be installed and that problem is solved... but wait.China and Veneuela wo n't like the U.S. messing with Iran and I 'm not sure about the EU , but they 're watching this very closely .
This could go in any direction , but it will most likely benefit China.If the U.S. and/or Israeli intelligence services appear to be involved and this net-war is stopped by the Iranian government , there 's a good chance nothing will come out of this.On the other hand ; if the net-war succeeds and the Iranian government is toppled while information gets out that the CIA or Mossad are behind this... China and Venezuela might just get pissed .
The latter does n't worry me but the first does.So , who stands to proffit from this ?
For the U.S. or Israel the price is a bit too high .
China is too obvious and I doubt Venezuela can afford to stage this.So , who 's REALLY behind this ?
The stakes run too high to be just the people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Am I paranoid or is this coincidence?NATO troops to the east and west of Iran, a revolt going on inside Iran... what a coincidence.The U.S. might be behind this (telling Israel to use its excellent intelligence service, to apply some pressure here and there), or it's a gift from the heavens for Washington.Why would it be a gift from the heavens for the U.S.?
Simple, a while ago Iran set up an alternative oil-market to the U.S. one which was based on the Euro.
Now, the only thing which needs to happen is that an U.S. friendly government "should" be installed and that problem is solved... but wait.China and Veneuela won't like the U.S. messing with Iran and I'm not sure about the EU, but they're watching this very closely.
This could go in any direction, but it will most likely benefit China.If the U.S. and/or Israeli intelligence services appear to be involved and this net-war is stopped by the Iranian government, there's a good chance nothing will come out of this.On the other hand; if the net-war succeeds and the Iranian government is toppled while information gets out that the CIA or Mossad are behind this... China and Venezuela might just get pissed.
The latter doesn't worry me but the first does.So, who stands to proffit from this?
For the U.S. or Israel the price is a bit too high.
China is too obvious and I doubt Venezuela can afford to stage this.So, who's REALLY behind this?
The stakes run too high to be just the people.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366937</id>
	<title>Twitter Revolution (TM)</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245236340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>And so it begins.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And so it begins .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And so it begins.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28368497</id>
	<title>Wow!</title>
	<author>Falconhell</author>
	<datestamp>1245248400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is an unprecendented situation for Iran,<br>Robert Fisk reports the special forces troops<br>have been protecting the demonstrators from militia's-much to his amazement.</p><p>Robert is probalbly the preeminent western jounalist in the Middle East. He is still wandering the streets of Iran reporting despite the danger.</p><p>The courage of these people in Iran is a lesson to us all in how to respond to government excess.<br>It's nice to see a people willing to put their lives on the line for principle, remember when westerners used to do that?</p><p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/17/2600571.htm" title="abc.net.au">http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/17/2600571.htm</a> [abc.net.au]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is an unprecendented situation for Iran,Robert Fisk reports the special forces troopshave been protecting the demonstrators from militia 's-much to his amazement.Robert is probalbly the preeminent western jounalist in the Middle East .
He is still wandering the streets of Iran reporting despite the danger.The courage of these people in Iran is a lesson to us all in how to respond to government excess.It 's nice to see a people willing to put their lives on the line for principle , remember when westerners used to do that ? http : //www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/17/2600571.htm [ abc.net.au ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is an unprecendented situation for Iran,Robert Fisk reports the special forces troopshave been protecting the demonstrators from militia's-much to his amazement.Robert is probalbly the preeminent western jounalist in the Middle East.
He is still wandering the streets of Iran reporting despite the danger.The courage of these people in Iran is a lesson to us all in how to respond to government excess.It's nice to see a people willing to put their lives on the line for principle, remember when westerners used to do that?http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/06/17/2600571.htm [abc.net.au]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28369429</id>
	<title>Re:Listen...</title>
	<author>Anik315</author>
	<datestamp>1245257880000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>My point isn't whether Mousavi's economic policies are better.  I think they are.  However, I think it's ridiculous for Westerners to think they can help the Iranian opposition.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My point is n't whether Mousavi 's economic policies are better .
I think they are .
However , I think it 's ridiculous for Westerners to think they can help the Iranian opposition .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My point isn't whether Mousavi's economic policies are better.
I think they are.
However, I think it's ridiculous for Westerners to think they can help the Iranian opposition.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366945</parent>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28366545</id>
	<title>Who Benfits?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245234420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Its clear nothing gets done for the people.<br>Things do get done in the name of the people to advance other agendas.<br>Proof, the whole liberation of Iraq. "We must invade to liberate the poor oppresed people of Iraq"<br>It was the same crap we here today. "Help the poor peole of Iran"</p><p>Now take a look at this: http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/proof-israeli-effort-to-destabilize-iran-via-twitter/<br>Looks like the US and her friends are busy again trying to get what THEY want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Its clear nothing gets done for the people.Things do get done in the name of the people to advance other agendas.Proof , the whole liberation of Iraq .
" We must invade to liberate the poor oppresed people of Iraq " It was the same crap we here today .
" Help the poor peole of Iran " Now take a look at this : http : //pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/proof-israeli-effort-to-destabilize-iran-via-twitter/Looks like the US and her friends are busy again trying to get what THEY want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Its clear nothing gets done for the people.Things do get done in the name of the people to advance other agendas.Proof, the whole liberation of Iraq.
"We must invade to liberate the poor oppresed people of Iraq"It was the same crap we here today.
"Help the poor peole of Iran"Now take a look at this: http://pakalert.wordpress.com/2009/06/16/proof-israeli-effort-to-destabilize-iran-via-twitter/Looks like the US and her friends are busy again trying to get what THEY want.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28369849</id>
	<title>Also UK</title>
	<author>VlartBlart</author>
	<datestamp>1245261720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Hey - we've got an unelected leader here in the UK also.</p><p>Any ideas?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Hey - we 've got an unelected leader here in the UK also.Any ideas ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Hey - we've got an unelected leader here in the UK also.Any ideas?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_2017226.28367031</id>
	<title>Re:Freedom for Iran!</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1245236760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Seriously, stay out of it. The Iranian government is already accusing the US of interfering in internal issues, and has lodged an official complaint through diplomatic channels. This is mostly propaganda, but honestly the best thing we can do for them is to stay out of it.</p></div><p>So... because an authoritarian government might complain about it, we should stay out of it, for the sake of Iranians?  That makes sense if we were talking about military force.  TALKING about the situation, on the other hand, in no way hurts Iranians.</p><p>It will create diplomatic tension between the US and Iran?  Hmm...  That's new.  Wait, no, not new, the other thing "pretty standard."</p><p>If I did have strong criticism of the Iranian government, you know what wouldn't make me want to keep it to myself?  Knowing that they didn't want to hear it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Seriously , stay out of it .
The Iranian government is already accusing the US of interfering in internal issues , and has lodged an official complaint through diplomatic channels .
This is mostly propaganda , but honestly the best thing we can do for them is to stay out of it.So... because an authoritarian government might complain about it , we should stay out of it , for the sake of Iranians ?
That makes sense if we were talking about military force .
TALKING about the situation , on the other hand , in no way hurts Iranians.It will create diplomatic tension between the US and Iran ?
Hmm... That 's new .
Wait , no , not new , the other thing " pretty standard .
" If I did have strong criticism of the Iranian government , you know what would n't make me want to keep it to myself ?
Knowing that they did n't want to hear it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Seriously, stay out of it.
The Iranian government is already accusing the US of interfering in internal issues, and has lodged an official complaint through diplomatic channels.
This is mostly propaganda, but honestly the best thing we can do for them is to stay out of it.So... because an authoritarian government might complain about it, we should stay out of it, for the sake of Iranians?
That makes sense if we were talking about military force.
TALKING about the situation, on the other hand, in no way hurts Iranians.It will create diplomatic tension between the US and Iran?
Hmm...  That's new.
Wait, no, not new, the other thing "pretty standard.
"If I did have strong criticism of the Iranian government, you know what wouldn't make me want to keep it to myself?
Knowing that they didn't want to hear it.
	</sentencetext>
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