<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_17_1526216</id>
	<title>Kindle Pricing, Business Models and Source Code</title>
	<author>Soulskill</author>
	<datestamp>1245253620000</datestamp>
	<htmltext><a href="http://www.itworld.com/" rel="nofollow">narramissic</a> writes <i>"A trifecta of Kindle-related news surfaced this week, with Jeff Bezos speaking at Wired's 'Disruptive by Design' conference on topics including Kindle pricing and business models. And yesterday, reports blogger Peter Smith, 'there was a flurry of blogging activity yesterday stating that <a href="http://www.itworld.com/personal-tech/69399/kindle-news-pricing-business-models-and-source-code">Amazon had released the Kindle source code</a>. Once everyone caught their breath, it became apparent that <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&amp;nodeId=200203720">the files in question</a> were just some open source libraries that Amazon had modified (they're being good open source citizens and releasing mods they've made to open source code &mdash; good for them!), not the complete source code.' Now, back to the Kindle pricing: According to a post at Wired, Bezos said Amazon opted to sell the Kindle for '<a href="http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/06/jeff-bezos-why-the-kindle-is-so-expensive/">something akin to the actual cost for hardware</a>,' rather than subsidizing the hardware costs and requiring a monthly subscription or requiring the buyer to purchase a certain number of books per month because 'fees and minimum purchase requirements create friction.' Smith has a different take: 'If I'm buying a Kindle from Amazon that enables me to buy books from Amazon, I'm broadcasting a desire to buy Kindle books. I would welcome some subsidization of the hardware since I'm going to be buying content anyway. No, I really think Amazon priced the Kindle the way they did because they thought they could get away with doing so (and they were right, it would seem).' Meanwhile, over at the New York Times, Bezos said 'that he sees Kindle-the-device and Kindle-the-book-format as <a href="http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/15/jeff-bezos-kindle-books-and-readers-are-separate-businesses/">two separate business models</a>, and that the Kindle iPhone App won't be the last software reader to appear.'"</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>narramissic writes " A trifecta of Kindle-related news surfaced this week , with Jeff Bezos speaking at Wired 's 'Disruptive by Design ' conference on topics including Kindle pricing and business models .
And yesterday , reports blogger Peter Smith , 'there was a flurry of blogging activity yesterday stating that Amazon had released the Kindle source code .
Once everyone caught their breath , it became apparent that the files in question were just some open source libraries that Amazon had modified ( they 're being good open source citizens and releasing mods they 've made to open source code    good for them !
) , not the complete source code .
' Now , back to the Kindle pricing : According to a post at Wired , Bezos said Amazon opted to sell the Kindle for 'something akin to the actual cost for hardware, ' rather than subsidizing the hardware costs and requiring a monthly subscription or requiring the buyer to purchase a certain number of books per month because 'fees and minimum purchase requirements create friction .
' Smith has a different take : 'If I 'm buying a Kindle from Amazon that enables me to buy books from Amazon , I 'm broadcasting a desire to buy Kindle books .
I would welcome some subsidization of the hardware since I 'm going to be buying content anyway .
No , I really think Amazon priced the Kindle the way they did because they thought they could get away with doing so ( and they were right , it would seem ) .
' Meanwhile , over at the New York Times , Bezos said 'that he sees Kindle-the-device and Kindle-the-book-format as two separate business models , and that the Kindle iPhone App wo n't be the last software reader to appear .
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<sentencetext>narramissic writes "A trifecta of Kindle-related news surfaced this week, with Jeff Bezos speaking at Wired's 'Disruptive by Design' conference on topics including Kindle pricing and business models.
And yesterday, reports blogger Peter Smith, 'there was a flurry of blogging activity yesterday stating that Amazon had released the Kindle source code.
Once everyone caught their breath, it became apparent that the files in question were just some open source libraries that Amazon had modified (they're being good open source citizens and releasing mods they've made to open source code — good for them!
), not the complete source code.
' Now, back to the Kindle pricing: According to a post at Wired, Bezos said Amazon opted to sell the Kindle for 'something akin to the actual cost for hardware,' rather than subsidizing the hardware costs and requiring a monthly subscription or requiring the buyer to purchase a certain number of books per month because 'fees and minimum purchase requirements create friction.
' Smith has a different take: 'If I'm buying a Kindle from Amazon that enables me to buy books from Amazon, I'm broadcasting a desire to buy Kindle books.
I would welcome some subsidization of the hardware since I'm going to be buying content anyway.
No, I really think Amazon priced the Kindle the way they did because they thought they could get away with doing so (and they were right, it would seem).
' Meanwhile, over at the New York Times, Bezos said 'that he sees Kindle-the-device and Kindle-the-book-format as two separate business models, and that the Kindle iPhone App won't be the last software reader to appear.
'"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362255</id>
	<title>End of print periodical?</title>
	<author>bhsx</author>
	<datestamp>1245257340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Rupert Murdoch has apparently been watching the Kindle closely and has been planning on coming-out with his own version to give away to subscribers of his newspapers.  Perhaps Bezos really did have the timing right with the Kindle and it just MAY unseat a large portion of the print periodical industry.  Should be interesting to watch, no matter how it works itself out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Rupert Murdoch has apparently been watching the Kindle closely and has been planning on coming-out with his own version to give away to subscribers of his newspapers .
Perhaps Bezos really did have the timing right with the Kindle and it just MAY unseat a large portion of the print periodical industry .
Should be interesting to watch , no matter how it works itself out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rupert Murdoch has apparently been watching the Kindle closely and has been planning on coming-out with his own version to give away to subscribers of his newspapers.
Perhaps Bezos really did have the timing right with the Kindle and it just MAY unseat a large portion of the print periodical industry.
Should be interesting to watch, no matter how it works itself out.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28364653</id>
	<title>Kodak.  !Apple</title>
	<author>Nom du Keyboard</author>
	<datestamp>1245268500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Amazon opted to sell the Kindle for 'something akin to the actual cost for hardware,</p></div></blockquote><p>
Like Kodak did for their inkjet printers and ink.<br> <br>
Very much <i>unlike</i> what Apple and AT&amp;T do for the iPhone.<br> <br>
Add me to the list of people who prefer this model of honesty.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Amazon opted to sell the Kindle for 'something akin to the actual cost for hardware , Like Kodak did for their inkjet printers and ink .
Very much unlike what Apple and AT&amp;T do for the iPhone .
Add me to the list of people who prefer this model of honesty .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Amazon opted to sell the Kindle for 'something akin to the actual cost for hardware,
Like Kodak did for their inkjet printers and ink.
Very much unlike what Apple and AT&amp;T do for the iPhone.
Add me to the list of people who prefer this model of honesty.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28381567</id>
	<title>Re:Amazon's Pump-n-Dump?</title>
	<author>WuphonsReach</author>
	<datestamp>1245323280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><i>Now, how many of you *actually* stuff another device in your laptop bag to read books?</i> <br>
<br>
I do, but I use the Sony PRS-505 unit to do so.  It's a wonderful device for leisure reading (fiction, stuff without lots of pictures/diagrams).  I've had mine for about a year and a half now and I still prefer it over paper books.<br>
<br>
Another wonderful feature is that my eyes get tired, I can boost the display font size, reducing eye strain.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Now , how many of you * actually * stuff another device in your laptop bag to read books ?
I do , but I use the Sony PRS-505 unit to do so .
It 's a wonderful device for leisure reading ( fiction , stuff without lots of pictures/diagrams ) .
I 've had mine for about a year and a half now and I still prefer it over paper books .
Another wonderful feature is that my eyes get tired , I can boost the display font size , reducing eye strain .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, how many of you *actually* stuff another device in your laptop bag to read books?
I do, but I use the Sony PRS-505 unit to do so.
It's a wonderful device for leisure reading (fiction, stuff without lots of pictures/diagrams).
I've had mine for about a year and a half now and I still prefer it over paper books.
Another wonderful feature is that my eyes get tired, I can boost the display font size, reducing eye strain.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362693</id>
	<title>Re:Don't subsidise the hardware - subsidise the bo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245259440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Digital content has no intrinsic cost, so it's not much of a subsidy on their behalf.</p></div><p>Digital content has no intrinsic cost to <i>the publisher</i>.  To Amazon, who has to pay the publisher a royalty fee for every sale, digital content has a very real, per unit cost that they cannot go below.  Just like the television and film industries learned very little about digital content from the music industry, so it would seem that the publishing industry has also chosen to ignore the lessons learned by those who have gone before them.  The transition to digital print is going to be every bit as painful as it was for movies and music, and it's going to take several years of publishers taking their lumps before they finally come to grips with a pricing model that actually works for most of their customers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Digital content has no intrinsic cost , so it 's not much of a subsidy on their behalf.Digital content has no intrinsic cost to the publisher .
To Amazon , who has to pay the publisher a royalty fee for every sale , digital content has a very real , per unit cost that they can not go below .
Just like the television and film industries learned very little about digital content from the music industry , so it would seem that the publishing industry has also chosen to ignore the lessons learned by those who have gone before them .
The transition to digital print is going to be every bit as painful as it was for movies and music , and it 's going to take several years of publishers taking their lumps before they finally come to grips with a pricing model that actually works for most of their customers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Digital content has no intrinsic cost, so it's not much of a subsidy on their behalf.Digital content has no intrinsic cost to the publisher.
To Amazon, who has to pay the publisher a royalty fee for every sale, digital content has a very real, per unit cost that they cannot go below.
Just like the television and film industries learned very little about digital content from the music industry, so it would seem that the publishing industry has also chosen to ignore the lessons learned by those who have gone before them.
The transition to digital print is going to be every bit as painful as it was for movies and music, and it's going to take several years of publishers taking their lumps before they finally come to grips with a pricing model that actually works for most of their customers.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362389</id>
	<title>Re:End of print periodical?</title>
	<author>sshir</author>
	<datestamp>1245257940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>That probably explains recent Wall Street Journal price hike. It went from $9.99 per month to $14.99
<br> <br>
Lot's of people were pissed enough to cancel their subscription through Kindle.
<br> <br>Weird kind of a price war...</htmltext>
<tokenext>That probably explains recent Wall Street Journal price hike .
It went from $ 9.99 per month to $ 14.99 Lot 's of people were pissed enough to cancel their subscription through Kindle .
Weird kind of a price war.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That probably explains recent Wall Street Journal price hike.
It went from $9.99 per month to $14.99
 
Lot's of people were pissed enough to cancel their subscription through Kindle.
Weird kind of a price war...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28364117</id>
	<title>Re:Subsidized hardware</title>
	<author>JohnBailey</author>
	<datestamp>1245265800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>"If I'm buying a Kindle from Amazon that enables me to buy books from Amazon, I'm broadcasting a desire to buy Kindle books. I would welcome some subsidization of the hardware since I'm going to be buying content anyway. No, I really think Amazon priced the Kindle the way they did because they thought they could get away with doing so..."

Why is it only in the tech-gadget industry that people expect manufacturers to sell items for *less than cost*?</p></div><p>What industry other than the tech gadget industry has companies who want to sell you both the player <b>and reserve the exclusive right to sell you the content too</b>?

If you were offered a normal DVD player, or a DVD player that only played Sony disks would you expect to pay full price for the limited one?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>" If I 'm buying a Kindle from Amazon that enables me to buy books from Amazon , I 'm broadcasting a desire to buy Kindle books .
I would welcome some subsidization of the hardware since I 'm going to be buying content anyway .
No , I really think Amazon priced the Kindle the way they did because they thought they could get away with doing so... " Why is it only in the tech-gadget industry that people expect manufacturers to sell items for * less than cost * ? What industry other than the tech gadget industry has companies who want to sell you both the player and reserve the exclusive right to sell you the content too ?
If you were offered a normal DVD player , or a DVD player that only played Sony disks would you expect to pay full price for the limited one ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"If I'm buying a Kindle from Amazon that enables me to buy books from Amazon, I'm broadcasting a desire to buy Kindle books.
I would welcome some subsidization of the hardware since I'm going to be buying content anyway.
No, I really think Amazon priced the Kindle the way they did because they thought they could get away with doing so..."

Why is it only in the tech-gadget industry that people expect manufacturers to sell items for *less than cost*?What industry other than the tech gadget industry has companies who want to sell you both the player and reserve the exclusive right to sell you the content too?
If you were offered a normal DVD player, or a DVD player that only played Sony disks would you expect to pay full price for the limited one?
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362497</id>
	<title>kindle price</title>
	<author>fermion</author>
	<datestamp>1245258480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The price of any product is determined by what the market will bear.  Therefore saying that Amazon priced the Kindle as high as they could get away with is simply circular, a tautology.  A product is priced to move a certain number of units.  Amazon decided that the price would move enough units, that may change in the same way that Apple lowered the price to move more units.
<p>
OTOH, the Kindle may be subsidized because of the user does not pay for the wireless plan, Amazon does.  Since we do not know the details, it may be that Amazon is not incurring any additional costs, but I suspect that Amazon does pay some amount per unit per month even if no books are downloaded.
</p><p>
To me the kindle pricing makes good sense, if Amazon can maintain it, and if the web browser and functionality improves.  It is not worth that much if all I can buy books to read from Amazon.  It becomes worth something when I can download books from anywhere, and whan I can read online magazines that do not require subscriptions, or are not available through Amazon, for instance make or circuit cellar.  The problem is that if I am browsing without Amazon subscription, I am using billable bandwidth, but not paying for it.  If I can do this, then Kindle is a great deal.  A year of browsing for $500 is much less than a netbook and wireless subscription would costs.  Of course this may be why the web browser in not a major feature in Kindle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The price of any product is determined by what the market will bear .
Therefore saying that Amazon priced the Kindle as high as they could get away with is simply circular , a tautology .
A product is priced to move a certain number of units .
Amazon decided that the price would move enough units , that may change in the same way that Apple lowered the price to move more units .
OTOH , the Kindle may be subsidized because of the user does not pay for the wireless plan , Amazon does .
Since we do not know the details , it may be that Amazon is not incurring any additional costs , but I suspect that Amazon does pay some amount per unit per month even if no books are downloaded .
To me the kindle pricing makes good sense , if Amazon can maintain it , and if the web browser and functionality improves .
It is not worth that much if all I can buy books to read from Amazon .
It becomes worth something when I can download books from anywhere , and whan I can read online magazines that do not require subscriptions , or are not available through Amazon , for instance make or circuit cellar .
The problem is that if I am browsing without Amazon subscription , I am using billable bandwidth , but not paying for it .
If I can do this , then Kindle is a great deal .
A year of browsing for $ 500 is much less than a netbook and wireless subscription would costs .
Of course this may be why the web browser in not a major feature in Kindle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The price of any product is determined by what the market will bear.
Therefore saying that Amazon priced the Kindle as high as they could get away with is simply circular, a tautology.
A product is priced to move a certain number of units.
Amazon decided that the price would move enough units, that may change in the same way that Apple lowered the price to move more units.
OTOH, the Kindle may be subsidized because of the user does not pay for the wireless plan, Amazon does.
Since we do not know the details, it may be that Amazon is not incurring any additional costs, but I suspect that Amazon does pay some amount per unit per month even if no books are downloaded.
To me the kindle pricing makes good sense, if Amazon can maintain it, and if the web browser and functionality improves.
It is not worth that much if all I can buy books to read from Amazon.
It becomes worth something when I can download books from anywhere, and whan I can read online magazines that do not require subscriptions, or are not available through Amazon, for instance make or circuit cellar.
The problem is that if I am browsing without Amazon subscription, I am using billable bandwidth, but not paying for it.
If I can do this, then Kindle is a great deal.
A year of browsing for $500 is much less than a netbook and wireless subscription would costs.
Of course this may be why the web browser in not a major feature in Kindle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28365181</id>
	<title>Re:Amazon's Pump-n-Dump?NO NEED TO STUFF</title>
	<author>Nom du Keyboard</author>
	<datestamp>1245270780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Now, how many of you *actually* stuff another device in your laptop bag to read books?</p></div></blockquote><p>
You've got it wrong. With the Kindle reader s/w available on other platforms for free -- starting with 17M iPhone/iPod Touches, you don't even need the Kindle h/w to read Kindle books. Buy it if you want the screen, storage, and Whispernet connectivity.  Use your other smartphone/laptop otherwise.  Either way Amazon has you covered.</p></div>
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<tokenext>Now , how many of you * actually * stuff another device in your laptop bag to read books ?
You 've got it wrong .
With the Kindle reader s/w available on other platforms for free -- starting with 17M iPhone/iPod Touches , you do n't even need the Kindle h/w to read Kindle books .
Buy it if you want the screen , storage , and Whispernet connectivity .
Use your other smartphone/laptop otherwise .
Either way Amazon has you covered .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Now, how many of you *actually* stuff another device in your laptop bag to read books?
You've got it wrong.
With the Kindle reader s/w available on other platforms for free -- starting with 17M iPhone/iPod Touches, you don't even need the Kindle h/w to read Kindle books.
Buy it if you want the screen, storage, and Whispernet connectivity.
Use your other smartphone/laptop otherwise.
Either way Amazon has you covered.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28364255</id>
	<title>Re:Mobipocket and DRM</title>
	<author>vanyel</author>
	<datestamp>1245266760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The Sony is a nice reader, but the software you have to use to load it is one of the most unstable pieces of crap I've ever had the misfortune of using.  On the other hand, the kindle works great, and it works great with non-drm'd goodness from other publishers.  Until Amazon learns that lesson, they can keep their crippled ebooks, but I'll happily pay a fair price to use the good hardware, which would *not* be the case if I was forced to subscribe to the crippleware, which would eventually cost more far more than a fair price.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The Sony is a nice reader , but the software you have to use to load it is one of the most unstable pieces of crap I 've ever had the misfortune of using .
On the other hand , the kindle works great , and it works great with non-drm 'd goodness from other publishers .
Until Amazon learns that lesson , they can keep their crippled ebooks , but I 'll happily pay a fair price to use the good hardware , which would * not * be the case if I was forced to subscribe to the crippleware , which would eventually cost more far more than a fair price .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Sony is a nice reader, but the software you have to use to load it is one of the most unstable pieces of crap I've ever had the misfortune of using.
On the other hand, the kindle works great, and it works great with non-drm'd goodness from other publishers.
Until Amazon learns that lesson, they can keep their crippled ebooks, but I'll happily pay a fair price to use the good hardware, which would *not* be the case if I was forced to subscribe to the crippleware, which would eventually cost more far more than a fair price.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28363105</id>
	<title>Re:End of print periodical?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245261420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since I purchased my Kindle 2 I have purchased more individual newspapers than I have in the last 5 years. I like the ability to pick up the Wall Street Journal one day and Boston Globe the next.  Also during my commute if I see an article in a paper while reading over their shoulder I immediate go to Amazon and buy that days print.</p><p>I think Peter Smith has it wrong and Jeff got it right.  I purchased the Kindle at this price point because I was not tied down to any contract.  I read a lot of books and with the Kindle I now have them all queued up.  Not all of the books were purchased from Amazon. The Pragmatic Programmers is a publisher that gets it and other publishers should take note.  I went to there site to see if they were going to off ebooks for the Kindle.  Little did I know they already do.  I logged into my account and that is when I got an alert telling me that the two ebooks I purchased a year ago have updates.  Hmmm...  Would be cool if I could trade these in for the Kindle version.  BLAM  A click of the link and the PDF and Kindle versions were ready for me to download.  No extra cost.  Now if only Manning and a few other publishers would get this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since I purchased my Kindle 2 I have purchased more individual newspapers than I have in the last 5 years .
I like the ability to pick up the Wall Street Journal one day and Boston Globe the next .
Also during my commute if I see an article in a paper while reading over their shoulder I immediate go to Amazon and buy that days print.I think Peter Smith has it wrong and Jeff got it right .
I purchased the Kindle at this price point because I was not tied down to any contract .
I read a lot of books and with the Kindle I now have them all queued up .
Not all of the books were purchased from Amazon .
The Pragmatic Programmers is a publisher that gets it and other publishers should take note .
I went to there site to see if they were going to off ebooks for the Kindle .
Little did I know they already do .
I logged into my account and that is when I got an alert telling me that the two ebooks I purchased a year ago have updates .
Hmmm... Would be cool if I could trade these in for the Kindle version .
BLAM A click of the link and the PDF and Kindle versions were ready for me to download .
No extra cost .
Now if only Manning and a few other publishers would get this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since I purchased my Kindle 2 I have purchased more individual newspapers than I have in the last 5 years.
I like the ability to pick up the Wall Street Journal one day and Boston Globe the next.
Also during my commute if I see an article in a paper while reading over their shoulder I immediate go to Amazon and buy that days print.I think Peter Smith has it wrong and Jeff got it right.
I purchased the Kindle at this price point because I was not tied down to any contract.
I read a lot of books and with the Kindle I now have them all queued up.
Not all of the books were purchased from Amazon.
The Pragmatic Programmers is a publisher that gets it and other publishers should take note.
I went to there site to see if they were going to off ebooks for the Kindle.
Little did I know they already do.
I logged into my account and that is when I got an alert telling me that the two ebooks I purchased a year ago have updates.
Hmmm...  Would be cool if I could trade these in for the Kindle version.
BLAM  A click of the link and the PDF and Kindle versions were ready for me to download.
No extra cost.
Now if only Manning and a few other publishers would get this.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362855</id>
	<title>Re:Amazon's Pump-n-Dump?</title>
	<author>Hadlock</author>
	<datestamp>1245260280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With the New York Times to $2/ea (newsstand price, what I pay/buy), as soon as this drops in price by $50-100 it becomes cheaper than buying it at the newsstand. $100 pricebreak or faster refresh (next gen e-ink tech) is what will make me buy one. If the NYT would give a $100 rebate for a 1 year subscription I would buy one tomorrow. There's a lot of people waiting for the price to come down 10-20\% and I think you'll see a bunch of people ordering them that would otherwise never have been in the market for one of these. The larger screen size is a big selling point to a lot of people. Now if I could get the articles @ 12pt New Times Roman from edge to edge in two columns, I'd be a very happy camper.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the New York Times to $ 2/ea ( newsstand price , what I pay/buy ) , as soon as this drops in price by $ 50-100 it becomes cheaper than buying it at the newsstand .
$ 100 pricebreak or faster refresh ( next gen e-ink tech ) is what will make me buy one .
If the NYT would give a $ 100 rebate for a 1 year subscription I would buy one tomorrow .
There 's a lot of people waiting for the price to come down 10-20 \ % and I think you 'll see a bunch of people ordering them that would otherwise never have been in the market for one of these .
The larger screen size is a big selling point to a lot of people .
Now if I could get the articles @ 12pt New Times Roman from edge to edge in two columns , I 'd be a very happy camper .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the New York Times to $2/ea (newsstand price, what I pay/buy), as soon as this drops in price by $50-100 it becomes cheaper than buying it at the newsstand.
$100 pricebreak or faster refresh (next gen e-ink tech) is what will make me buy one.
If the NYT would give a $100 rebate for a 1 year subscription I would buy one tomorrow.
There's a lot of people waiting for the price to come down 10-20\% and I think you'll see a bunch of people ordering them that would otherwise never have been in the market for one of these.
The larger screen size is a big selling point to a lot of people.
Now if I could get the articles @ 12pt New Times Roman from edge to edge in two columns, I'd be a very happy camper.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362385</id>
	<title>let we forget</title>
	<author>nimbius</author>
	<datestamp>1245257940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>trollmod for devils advocate against amazon, but what the hey..
<br> <br>
'good job' is a qualifier to which i object.<br>
this is the same company violently trying to patent 1click...they released the source code because the community has an established habit of targeting offenders and demanding compliance and cash.</htmltext>
<tokenext>trollmod for devils advocate against amazon , but what the hey. . 'good job ' is a qualifier to which i object .
this is the same company violently trying to patent 1click...they released the source code because the community has an established habit of targeting offenders and demanding compliance and cash .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>trollmod for devils advocate against amazon, but what the hey..
 
'good job' is a qualifier to which i object.
this is the same company violently trying to patent 1click...they released the source code because the community has an established habit of targeting offenders and demanding compliance and cash.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28363835</id>
	<title>Re:Amazon's Pump-n-Dump?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245264600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Stuff another device which is a lot smaller than the 2+ books I would carry every week?</p><p>No prbolem..</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Stuff another device which is a lot smaller than the 2 + books I would carry every week ? No prbolem. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Stuff another device which is a lot smaller than the 2+ books I would carry every week?No prbolem..</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28372535</id>
	<title>Re:Mobipocket and DRM</title>
	<author>jibster</author>
	<datestamp>1245333180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I got the PRS-700 just after christmas and I love it.  the Sony software on the other hand, is just like wow.  Worst. Software. Ever.

The Sony softwawas uninstalled on day 2 of my ownership and I have used Calibre <a href="http://calibre.kovidgoyal.net/" title="kovidgoyal.net">http://calibre.kovidgoyal.net/</a> [kovidgoyal.net] ever since.  Its wonderful software in full development with a new release generally ever week.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I got the PRS-700 just after christmas and I love it .
the Sony software on the other hand , is just like wow .
Worst. Software .
Ever . The Sony softwawas uninstalled on day 2 of my ownership and I have used Calibre http : //calibre.kovidgoyal.net/ [ kovidgoyal.net ] ever since .
Its wonderful software in full development with a new release generally ever week .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I got the PRS-700 just after christmas and I love it.
the Sony software on the other hand, is just like wow.
Worst. Software.
Ever.

The Sony softwawas uninstalled on day 2 of my ownership and I have used Calibre http://calibre.kovidgoyal.net/ [kovidgoyal.net] ever since.
Its wonderful software in full development with a new release generally ever week.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28363685</id>
	<title>You want DRM encouraging readers?</title>
	<author>HiThere</author>
	<datestamp>1245263940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I'd be reluctant to accept one for free.  I don't like either Kindle, or any other DRM supporting reader.  I'm quite dubious about the very concept, but not really opposed, to electronic readers.  I'm oppose to DRM enabling readers.  Including the Kindle.</p><p>Five years from now, when you need a new machine, you'll understand why.  EVERYTHING you've bought will need to be replaced, and part of it won't be available any longer.  (Replaced doesn't necessarily mean repurchased...but it can.  That depends on vendor choice, not yours.)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd be reluctant to accept one for free .
I do n't like either Kindle , or any other DRM supporting reader .
I 'm quite dubious about the very concept , but not really opposed , to electronic readers .
I 'm oppose to DRM enabling readers .
Including the Kindle.Five years from now , when you need a new machine , you 'll understand why .
EVERYTHING you 've bought will need to be replaced , and part of it wo n't be available any longer .
( Replaced does n't necessarily mean repurchased...but it can .
That depends on vendor choice , not yours .
)</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd be reluctant to accept one for free.
I don't like either Kindle, or any other DRM supporting reader.
I'm quite dubious about the very concept, but not really opposed, to electronic readers.
I'm oppose to DRM enabling readers.
Including the Kindle.Five years from now, when you need a new machine, you'll understand why.
EVERYTHING you've bought will need to be replaced, and part of it won't be available any longer.
(Replaced doesn't necessarily mean repurchased...but it can.
That depends on vendor choice, not yours.
)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28363563</id>
	<title>Re:Not buying Kindle books for my Kindle...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245263580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since you're buying DRM-free books, where do I download your purchases?  You're gonna share, right?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since you 're buying DRM-free books , where do I download your purchases ?
You 're gon na share , right ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since you're buying DRM-free books, where do I download your purchases?
You're gonna share, right?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362267</id>
	<title>they are supporting ebooks on non-Kindles</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245257460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Of course Amazon is going to claim the best personal book-reader and business model.  But they make even more money if they support other readers, which they have done with iPhone.  And that wont be the last.  I wonder when someone will break their DRM?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Of course Amazon is going to claim the best personal book-reader and business model .
But they make even more money if they support other readers , which they have done with iPhone .
And that wont be the last .
I wonder when someone will break their DRM ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Of course Amazon is going to claim the best personal book-reader and business model.
But they make even more money if they support other readers, which they have done with iPhone.
And that wont be the last.
I wonder when someone will break their DRM?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362593</id>
	<title>Re:Subsidized hardware</title>
	<author>sshir</author>
	<datestamp>1245258960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>This whole point is moot.<br> <br>

It goes like this:<br>
A) Amazon does not want "bad karma points" for requirement that only amazon bought books could be used with their device (currently, with all kindles, you can upload your own content directly via USB)
<br> <br>
B) But if Amazon does allow free personal uploads - they will have problem getting their money back via purchased content.
<br> <br>
So, they have to charge closer to marginal costs...</htmltext>
<tokenext>This whole point is moot .
It goes like this : A ) Amazon does not want " bad karma points " for requirement that only amazon bought books could be used with their device ( currently , with all kindles , you can upload your own content directly via USB ) B ) But if Amazon does allow free personal uploads - they will have problem getting their money back via purchased content .
So , they have to charge closer to marginal costs.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This whole point is moot.
It goes like this:
A) Amazon does not want "bad karma points" for requirement that only amazon bought books could be used with their device (currently, with all kindles, you can upload your own content directly via USB)
 
B) But if Amazon does allow free personal uploads - they will have problem getting their money back via purchased content.
So, they have to charge closer to marginal costs...</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362243</id>
	<title>Slashdot</title>
	<author>arizwebfoot</author>
	<datestamp>1245257340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I noticed the Slashdot plug on the Kindle website - LOL.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I noticed the Slashdot plug on the Kindle website - LOL .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I noticed the Slashdot plug on the Kindle website - LOL.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28364737</id>
	<title>Re:Don't subsidise the hardware - subsidise the bo</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1245268920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>Digital content has no intrinsic cost, so it's not much of a subsidy on their behalf.</p></div></blockquote><p>Nonesense.  It has a very low marginal cost.</p><p>You have not been charged for this economics lesson.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Digital content has no intrinsic cost , so it 's not much of a subsidy on their behalf.Nonesense .
It has a very low marginal cost.You have not been charged for this economics lesson .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Digital content has no intrinsic cost, so it's not much of a subsidy on their behalf.Nonesense.
It has a very low marginal cost.You have not been charged for this economics lesson.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362513</id>
	<title>I see where this is going...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245258540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Bezos said 'that he sees Kindle-the-device and Kindle-the-book-format as two separate business models</p></div><p>What's next? Kindle the Lunchbox? Kindle the Flamethrower?</p><p>As TFA states, it sounds like Amazon is charging full price for the hardware just because they can. Welcome to the Quest For More Money!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bezos said 'that he sees Kindle-the-device and Kindle-the-book-format as two separate business modelsWhat 's next ?
Kindle the Lunchbox ?
Kindle the Flamethrower ? As TFA states , it sounds like Amazon is charging full price for the hardware just because they can .
Welcome to the Quest For More Money !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bezos said 'that he sees Kindle-the-device and Kindle-the-book-format as two separate business modelsWhat's next?
Kindle the Lunchbox?
Kindle the Flamethrower?As TFA states, it sounds like Amazon is charging full price for the hardware just because they can.
Welcome to the Quest For More Money!
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362873</id>
	<title>Re:Subsidized hardware</title>
	<author>transporter\_ii</author>
	<datestamp>1245260340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Exactly. And by selling at cost, if you find some use for it that maybe wasn't intended, nobody can lay a guilt trip on you about costing Amazon money because they subsidize its cost.</p><p>I've worked in businesses were equipment was basically sold at cost and where equipment was subsidized. At cost works much better, in my opinion. Subsidizing sucks when someone pays 20.00 for a 200.00 device, drops it in a bucket of water, and then explodes when they are expected to pay 200.00 for something they just paid 20.00</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Exactly .
And by selling at cost , if you find some use for it that maybe was n't intended , nobody can lay a guilt trip on you about costing Amazon money because they subsidize its cost.I 've worked in businesses were equipment was basically sold at cost and where equipment was subsidized .
At cost works much better , in my opinion .
Subsidizing sucks when someone pays 20.00 for a 200.00 device , drops it in a bucket of water , and then explodes when they are expected to pay 200.00 for something they just paid 20.00</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Exactly.
And by selling at cost, if you find some use for it that maybe wasn't intended, nobody can lay a guilt trip on you about costing Amazon money because they subsidize its cost.I've worked in businesses were equipment was basically sold at cost and where equipment was subsidized.
At cost works much better, in my opinion.
Subsidizing sucks when someone pays 20.00 for a 200.00 device, drops it in a bucket of water, and then explodes when they are expected to pay 200.00 for something they just paid 20.00</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362699</id>
	<title>Re:they are supporting ebooks on non-Kindles</title>
	<author>gEvil (beta)</author>
	<datestamp>1245259440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext>I read this as Bezos saying that they'll support Amazon Kindle ebooks on other "mobile" platforms (a la various smartphones, etc), but that they won't support them on anything that is a direct competitor (a la E Ink-based reader devices) to the Kindle. This view is totally consistent with the words he said.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I read this as Bezos saying that they 'll support Amazon Kindle ebooks on other " mobile " platforms ( a la various smartphones , etc ) , but that they wo n't support them on anything that is a direct competitor ( a la E Ink-based reader devices ) to the Kindle .
This view is totally consistent with the words he said .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I read this as Bezos saying that they'll support Amazon Kindle ebooks on other "mobile" platforms (a la various smartphones, etc), but that they won't support them on anything that is a direct competitor (a la E Ink-based reader devices) to the Kindle.
This view is totally consistent with the words he said.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28363309</id>
	<title>Re:Subsidized hardware</title>
	<author>CottonThePirate</author>
	<datestamp>1245262380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The razor industry has learned though. Go to your local mega-mart/drug store/ etc and go to the razor section. I think you'll find that not only does a 10 pack of blades cost $10, but a razor with one or 2 blades costs about the same. Now this razor is not some mahogany wood with inlaid ivory, it's a piece of plastic made in china. I claim that there is no way they don't make money on both.

The new analogy is ink jet printers!

Ps. get off my lawn.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The razor industry has learned though .
Go to your local mega-mart/drug store/ etc and go to the razor section .
I think you 'll find that not only does a 10 pack of blades cost $ 10 , but a razor with one or 2 blades costs about the same .
Now this razor is not some mahogany wood with inlaid ivory , it 's a piece of plastic made in china .
I claim that there is no way they do n't make money on both .
The new analogy is ink jet printers !
Ps. get off my lawn .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The razor industry has learned though.
Go to your local mega-mart/drug store/ etc and go to the razor section.
I think you'll find that not only does a 10 pack of blades cost $10, but a razor with one or 2 blades costs about the same.
Now this razor is not some mahogany wood with inlaid ivory, it's a piece of plastic made in china.
I claim that there is no way they don't make money on both.
The new analogy is ink jet printers!
Ps. get off my lawn.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28364907</id>
	<title>Would You Buy an Apple Tablet if...</title>
	<author>Nom du Keyboard</author>
	<datestamp>1245269700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Would you buy an Apple iTablet if Kindle prices were cut in half on the day of its launch? Even at an guesstimated $200 price premium over the Kindle, the iTablet has been called the Kindle Killer - not that Amazon should mind since they could just be selling Kindle books to iTablet early adopters for the same profit.  But with free Whispernet to d/l a lot of free and other subscription content, as a reader Kindle is fairly priced at the moment.  Just wish I could afford it to read my own Kindle books on.<br> <br>
And keep in mind that the books Amazon sells on Kindle constrain them in pricing since Amazon - unlike other eBook sellers (*cough* *cough* Fictionwise) -- isn't screwing over the authors when they discount their prices from list.  Those discounts come out of Amazon's percentage. As such, it would be hard for them to subsidize the hardware as well in this business model.
<br> <br>
Remember when you price your cost of your iTablet to add in the cost of nationwide connectivity as well. And that Kindle has better battery life by far and may also get new functionality improvements in the future. Consider than and then it may not compare nearly as favorably for many people who don't need yet another thicker, heavier, computer.<br> <br>
Now when is the next Oprah show when she'll be giving DX's away to the entire audience with her favorite books already loaded on it?<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:^)</htmltext>
<tokenext>Would you buy an Apple iTablet if Kindle prices were cut in half on the day of its launch ?
Even at an guesstimated $ 200 price premium over the Kindle , the iTablet has been called the Kindle Killer - not that Amazon should mind since they could just be selling Kindle books to iTablet early adopters for the same profit .
But with free Whispernet to d/l a lot of free and other subscription content , as a reader Kindle is fairly priced at the moment .
Just wish I could afford it to read my own Kindle books on .
And keep in mind that the books Amazon sells on Kindle constrain them in pricing since Amazon - unlike other eBook sellers ( * cough * * cough * Fictionwise ) -- is n't screwing over the authors when they discount their prices from list .
Those discounts come out of Amazon 's percentage .
As such , it would be hard for them to subsidize the hardware as well in this business model .
Remember when you price your cost of your iTablet to add in the cost of nationwide connectivity as well .
And that Kindle has better battery life by far and may also get new functionality improvements in the future .
Consider than and then it may not compare nearly as favorably for many people who do n't need yet another thicker , heavier , computer .
Now when is the next Oprah show when she 'll be giving DX 's away to the entire audience with her favorite books already loaded on it ?
: ^ )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Would you buy an Apple iTablet if Kindle prices were cut in half on the day of its launch?
Even at an guesstimated $200 price premium over the Kindle, the iTablet has been called the Kindle Killer - not that Amazon should mind since they could just be selling Kindle books to iTablet early adopters for the same profit.
But with free Whispernet to d/l a lot of free and other subscription content, as a reader Kindle is fairly priced at the moment.
Just wish I could afford it to read my own Kindle books on.
And keep in mind that the books Amazon sells on Kindle constrain them in pricing since Amazon - unlike other eBook sellers (*cough* *cough* Fictionwise) -- isn't screwing over the authors when they discount their prices from list.
Those discounts come out of Amazon's percentage.
As such, it would be hard for them to subsidize the hardware as well in this business model.
Remember when you price your cost of your iTablet to add in the cost of nationwide connectivity as well.
And that Kindle has better battery life by far and may also get new functionality improvements in the future.
Consider than and then it may not compare nearly as favorably for many people who don't need yet another thicker, heavier, computer.
Now when is the next Oprah show when she'll be giving DX's away to the entire audience with her favorite books already loaded on it?
:^)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362689</id>
	<title>Re:Subsidized hardware</title>
	<author>Rude Turnip</author>
	<datestamp>1245259440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That model makes more sense because you're going to cut your face often and bleed if you don't replace your blades every so often.  That, and it's not as if a razor handle is a very complicated item.  Content, on the other hand, is much more ephemeral and it make take me several months to get through a book depending upon my schedule.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That model makes more sense because you 're going to cut your face often and bleed if you do n't replace your blades every so often .
That , and it 's not as if a razor handle is a very complicated item .
Content , on the other hand , is much more ephemeral and it make take me several months to get through a book depending upon my schedule .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That model makes more sense because you're going to cut your face often and bleed if you don't replace your blades every so often.
That, and it's not as if a razor handle is a very complicated item.
Content, on the other hand, is much more ephemeral and it make take me several months to get through a book depending upon my schedule.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362755</id>
	<title>Re:I'd prefer to rent an ebook than own it</title>
	<author>Tikkun</author>
	<datestamp>1245259740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>98\% of books and 99.9\% of magazines I never re-read. I'd prefer a library model, say $1 a day to read a book, then I could stop access and paying for it. The main exception would be course-texts.</p></div><p>I love libraries! You should check out TPB, I've heard they have a great selection of books and magazines you can borrow. Just like an analog library, but from your home computer or mobile device!<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>98 \ % of books and 99.9 \ % of magazines I never re-read .
I 'd prefer a library model , say $ 1 a day to read a book , then I could stop access and paying for it .
The main exception would be course-texts.I love libraries !
You should check out TPB , I 've heard they have a great selection of books and magazines you can borrow .
Just like an analog library , but from your home computer or mobile device !
; )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>98\% of books and 99.9\% of magazines I never re-read.
I'd prefer a library model, say $1 a day to read a book, then I could stop access and paying for it.
The main exception would be course-texts.I love libraries!
You should check out TPB, I've heard they have a great selection of books and magazines you can borrow.
Just like an analog library, but from your home computer or mobile device!
;)
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362493</id>
	<title>Amazon's Pump-n-Dump?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245258480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a hard time with the buzz on Amazon's device.</p><p>Right now, their stock is trading at an astronomical P/E ratio.<br>Their balance sheet has an equally astronomical Goodwill valuation.<br>Does someone follow the corporation's reporting enough to publish some facts regarding how much this device contributes to their bottom line?</p><p>If this were a big win for Amazon, it would show up in their numbers.</p><p>Now, how many of you *actually* stuff another device in your laptop bag to read books?</p><p>Or, maybe it will be like the days when Apple introduced the ipod and many on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. said it was doomed, only with Amazon the expectations are backwards.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a hard time with the buzz on Amazon 's device.Right now , their stock is trading at an astronomical P/E ratio.Their balance sheet has an equally astronomical Goodwill valuation.Does someone follow the corporation 's reporting enough to publish some facts regarding how much this device contributes to their bottom line ? If this were a big win for Amazon , it would show up in their numbers.Now , how many of you * actually * stuff another device in your laptop bag to read books ? Or , maybe it will be like the days when Apple introduced the ipod and many on / .
said it was doomed , only with Amazon the expectations are backwards .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a hard time with the buzz on Amazon's device.Right now, their stock is trading at an astronomical P/E ratio.Their balance sheet has an equally astronomical Goodwill valuation.Does someone follow the corporation's reporting enough to publish some facts regarding how much this device contributes to their bottom line?If this were a big win for Amazon, it would show up in their numbers.Now, how many of you *actually* stuff another device in your laptop bag to read books?Or, maybe it will be like the days when Apple introduced the ipod and many on /.
said it was doomed, only with Amazon the expectations are backwards.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28368169</id>
	<title>Re:Subsidized hardware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245245040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah but if I purchased the razor I can only use blades from that manufacturer. Meanwhile my Kindle has content from other sources as well as Amazon.  If it were subsidized like someone suggests it would be locked down just like a cell phone. Meanwhile Amazon took a risk by releasing a device that uses the Wireless network which someone has to pay for regardless if that buys a book.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah but if I purchased the razor I can only use blades from that manufacturer .
Meanwhile my Kindle has content from other sources as well as Amazon .
If it were subsidized like someone suggests it would be locked down just like a cell phone .
Meanwhile Amazon took a risk by releasing a device that uses the Wireless network which someone has to pay for regardless if that buys a book .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah but if I purchased the razor I can only use blades from that manufacturer.
Meanwhile my Kindle has content from other sources as well as Amazon.
If it were subsidized like someone suggests it would be locked down just like a cell phone.
Meanwhile Amazon took a risk by releasing a device that uses the Wireless network which someone has to pay for regardless if that buys a book.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28368745</id>
	<title>Re:I'd prefer to rent an ebook than own it</title>
	<author>thesandtiger</author>
	<datestamp>1245251040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I dunno about other cities, but Chicago's Public Libraries have an e-book check-out system. I've checked out a couple of books with it just to see how it worked and while it was a bit clunky in ways, ultimately it was pretty simple. Not a great selection when I checked, but that there was anything at all was pretty great.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I dunno about other cities , but Chicago 's Public Libraries have an e-book check-out system .
I 've checked out a couple of books with it just to see how it worked and while it was a bit clunky in ways , ultimately it was pretty simple .
Not a great selection when I checked , but that there was anything at all was pretty great .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I dunno about other cities, but Chicago's Public Libraries have an e-book check-out system.
I've checked out a couple of books with it just to see how it worked and while it was a bit clunky in ways, ultimately it was pretty simple.
Not a great selection when I checked, but that there was anything at all was pretty great.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28363197</id>
	<title>Kindle iPhone App won't be the last software</title>
	<author>krischik</author>
	<datestamp>1245261780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I beg to disagree here</p><p>1) Amazon owns Mobipocket [1].<br>2) Over time Mobipocket has developed software readers for <b>12 devices</b> [2].<br>3) The AZW book format - including DRM - is identical with Mobipocket save <b>one byte</b> [3].</p><p>So if Amazon wanted more software readers one call at Mobipocket and a week later they would have some. Which is probably the way they got the iPhone reader: <a href="http://www.teleread.org/2008/12/04/is-amazon-sitting-on-the-mobipocket-iphone-client-after-all/" title="teleread.org">http://www.teleread.org/2008/12/04/is-amazon-sitting-on-the-mobipocket-iphone-client-after-all/</a> [teleread.org]</p><p>Martin</p><p>[1] <a href="http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3833" title="mobileread.com">http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3833</a> [mobileread.com]<br>[2] <a href="http://www.mobipocket.com/en/DownloadSoft/default.asp" title="mobipocket.com">http://www.mobipocket.com/en/DownloadSoft/default.asp</a> [mobipocket.com]<br>[3] <a href="http://igorsk.blogspot.com/2007/12/mobipocket-books-on-kindle.html" title="blogspot.com">http://igorsk.blogspot.com/2007/12/mobipocket-books-on-kindle.html</a> [blogspot.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I beg to disagree here1 ) Amazon owns Mobipocket [ 1 ] .2 ) Over time Mobipocket has developed software readers for 12 devices [ 2 ] .3 ) The AZW book format - including DRM - is identical with Mobipocket save one byte [ 3 ] .So if Amazon wanted more software readers one call at Mobipocket and a week later they would have some .
Which is probably the way they got the iPhone reader : http : //www.teleread.org/2008/12/04/is-amazon-sitting-on-the-mobipocket-iphone-client-after-all/ [ teleread.org ] Martin [ 1 ] http : //www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php ? t = 3833 [ mobileread.com ] [ 2 ] http : //www.mobipocket.com/en/DownloadSoft/default.asp [ mobipocket.com ] [ 3 ] http : //igorsk.blogspot.com/2007/12/mobipocket-books-on-kindle.html [ blogspot.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I beg to disagree here1) Amazon owns Mobipocket [1].2) Over time Mobipocket has developed software readers for 12 devices [2].3) The AZW book format - including DRM - is identical with Mobipocket save one byte [3].So if Amazon wanted more software readers one call at Mobipocket and a week later they would have some.
Which is probably the way they got the iPhone reader: http://www.teleread.org/2008/12/04/is-amazon-sitting-on-the-mobipocket-iphone-client-after-all/ [teleread.org]Martin[1] http://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3833 [mobileread.com][2] http://www.mobipocket.com/en/DownloadSoft/default.asp [mobipocket.com][3] http://igorsk.blogspot.com/2007/12/mobipocket-books-on-kindle.html [blogspot.com]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362419</id>
	<title>Subsidized hardware</title>
	<author>Falkkin</author>
	<datestamp>1245258060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"If I'm buying a Kindle from Amazon that enables me to buy books from Amazon, I'm broadcasting a desire to buy Kindle books. I would welcome some subsidization of the hardware since I'm going to be buying content anyway. No, I really think Amazon priced the Kindle the way they did because they thought they could get away with doing so..."</p><p>Why is it only in the tech-gadget industry that people expect manufacturers to sell items for *less than cost*?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" If I 'm buying a Kindle from Amazon that enables me to buy books from Amazon , I 'm broadcasting a desire to buy Kindle books .
I would welcome some subsidization of the hardware since I 'm going to be buying content anyway .
No , I really think Amazon priced the Kindle the way they did because they thought they could get away with doing so... " Why is it only in the tech-gadget industry that people expect manufacturers to sell items for * less than cost * ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"If I'm buying a Kindle from Amazon that enables me to buy books from Amazon, I'm broadcasting a desire to buy Kindle books.
I would welcome some subsidization of the hardware since I'm going to be buying content anyway.
No, I really think Amazon priced the Kindle the way they did because they thought they could get away with doing so..."Why is it only in the tech-gadget industry that people expect manufacturers to sell items for *less than cost*?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28363657</id>
	<title>Re:Don't subsidise the hardware - subsidise the bo</title>
	<author>cdrguru</author>
	<datestamp>1245263820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Digital content has no intrinsic cost, so it's not much of a subsidy on their behalf.</p></div><p>As long as you are willing to cut the creator out.  What, do you think creating books is simple and easy, so easy anyone can do it?  Well, I guess anyone could if they wanted - but the result of 99\% of the population is unreadable drivel.  Read many blogs lately?</p><p>Either the creativity and effort is worth something or it isn't.  If it isn't, then everything digital should be free and we are stuck with whatever slime oozes forth.  Because nobody is going to put forth the effort to produce quality books.  Books, yes.  Quality books, no.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Digital content has no intrinsic cost , so it 's not much of a subsidy on their behalf.As long as you are willing to cut the creator out .
What , do you think creating books is simple and easy , so easy anyone can do it ?
Well , I guess anyone could if they wanted - but the result of 99 \ % of the population is unreadable drivel .
Read many blogs lately ? Either the creativity and effort is worth something or it is n't .
If it is n't , then everything digital should be free and we are stuck with whatever slime oozes forth .
Because nobody is going to put forth the effort to produce quality books .
Books , yes .
Quality books , no .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Digital content has no intrinsic cost, so it's not much of a subsidy on their behalf.As long as you are willing to cut the creator out.
What, do you think creating books is simple and easy, so easy anyone can do it?
Well, I guess anyone could if they wanted - but the result of 99\% of the population is unreadable drivel.
Read many blogs lately?Either the creativity and effort is worth something or it isn't.
If it isn't, then everything digital should be free and we are stuck with whatever slime oozes forth.
Because nobody is going to put forth the effort to produce quality books.
Books, yes.
Quality books, no.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28365035</id>
	<title>Re:Subsidized hardware THE DIFFERENCE</title>
	<author>Nom du Keyboard</author>
	<datestamp>1245270180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I know! People would think you were crazy if you suggested selling a razor at below cost to encourage people to buy them and let you make money from the blades.</p></div></blockquote><p>
The difference that makes Kindle distinguishable from your example is that Amazon doesn't manufacture the blades. They are reselling other author's works and need to pay those authors a fair price. This is a significantly different business model from Gillette.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I know !
People would think you were crazy if you suggested selling a razor at below cost to encourage people to buy them and let you make money from the blades .
The difference that makes Kindle distinguishable from your example is that Amazon does n't manufacture the blades .
They are reselling other author 's works and need to pay those authors a fair price .
This is a significantly different business model from Gillette .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I know!
People would think you were crazy if you suggested selling a razor at below cost to encourage people to buy them and let you make money from the blades.
The difference that makes Kindle distinguishable from your example is that Amazon doesn't manufacture the blades.
They are reselling other author's works and need to pay those authors a fair price.
This is a significantly different business model from Gillette.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362851</id>
	<title>Re:Kindle 1 owner</title>
	<author>spire3661</author>
	<datestamp>1245260220000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So how does on go about getting a refund for a defective ebook??</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So how does on go about getting a refund for a defective ebook ?
?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So how does on go about getting a refund for a defective ebook?
?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28363285</id>
	<title>Subsidized Kindles</title>
	<author>logicnazi</author>
	<datestamp>1245262200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>The problem for amazon with a subsidized kindle is that it would have created an immediate demand for some other publisher to provide discounted books for use on the kindle.  Amazon would therefore have to respond by clamping down on what the kindle can view/read to recoup their investment.<br><br>Besides, it's going to be expensive either way and people would feel angry if they paid alot for an e-book reader and the books were priced higher than they are now.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem for amazon with a subsidized kindle is that it would have created an immediate demand for some other publisher to provide discounted books for use on the kindle .
Amazon would therefore have to respond by clamping down on what the kindle can view/read to recoup their investment.Besides , it 's going to be expensive either way and people would feel angry if they paid alot for an e-book reader and the books were priced higher than they are now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem for amazon with a subsidized kindle is that it would have created an immediate demand for some other publisher to provide discounted books for use on the kindle.
Amazon would therefore have to respond by clamping down on what the kindle can view/read to recoup their investment.Besides, it's going to be expensive either way and people would feel angry if they paid alot for an e-book reader and the books were priced higher than they are now.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362963</id>
	<title>Mobipocket and DRM</title>
	<author>krischik</author>
	<datestamp>1245260700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>First: the DRM has been broken - AZW is the Mobipocket file-format with just <b>one</b> byte changed so a Mobipocket reader software won't accept it. So to break Amazons DRM google for "MobiDeDRM" and "Kindle Mobipocket conversion" - it will be the #1 hit<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;-).</p><p>Now having said that you might notice something: Mobipocket has free to download readers for just about 12 different devices. So if Amazon wanted what you suggest all they had to to is <b>not change that one byte</b>.  So in changing that one byte it is a clear signal that that they want there books to be read on Kindle and Kindle alone. And iPhone is just a special exception.</p><p>Before you wonder: Amazon owns Mobipocket [1] - so no they won't change there reader to accept Kindle books. In fact Mobipocket has stopped producing new reader software all together.</p><p>It is not difficult see the evil masterplan behind: The typical Embrace, Extend, Extinguish plan which is now in the last phase: Mobipocket to be extinguished by not creating new software for todays devices. Amazon even got as far as stopping the finished Mobipocktet iPhone reader. And last not least: not licensing the Mobipocket file format to Sony.</p><p>For those who own Mobipocket books - ahh sorry mate you loose. Only by now Amazon has pissed of European customers [2] big time. After all we can't buy Kindle and feel the Mobipocket demise double. And we found out about Sony.</p><p>Martin</p><p>[1] <a href="http://www.mobipocket.com/" title="mobipocket.com">http://www.mobipocket.com/</a> [mobipocket.com]<br>[2] <a href="http://www.mobipocket.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15520" title="mobipocket.com">http://www.mobipocket.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15520</a> [mobipocket.com]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>First : the DRM has been broken - AZW is the Mobipocket file-format with just one byte changed so a Mobipocket reader software wo n't accept it .
So to break Amazons DRM google for " MobiDeDRM " and " Kindle Mobipocket conversion " - it will be the # 1 hit ; - ) .Now having said that you might notice something : Mobipocket has free to download readers for just about 12 different devices .
So if Amazon wanted what you suggest all they had to to is not change that one byte .
So in changing that one byte it is a clear signal that that they want there books to be read on Kindle and Kindle alone .
And iPhone is just a special exception.Before you wonder : Amazon owns Mobipocket [ 1 ] - so no they wo n't change there reader to accept Kindle books .
In fact Mobipocket has stopped producing new reader software all together.It is not difficult see the evil masterplan behind : The typical Embrace , Extend , Extinguish plan which is now in the last phase : Mobipocket to be extinguished by not creating new software for todays devices .
Amazon even got as far as stopping the finished Mobipocktet iPhone reader .
And last not least : not licensing the Mobipocket file format to Sony.For those who own Mobipocket books - ahh sorry mate you loose .
Only by now Amazon has pissed of European customers [ 2 ] big time .
After all we ca n't buy Kindle and feel the Mobipocket demise double .
And we found out about Sony.Martin [ 1 ] http : //www.mobipocket.com/ [ mobipocket.com ] [ 2 ] http : //www.mobipocket.com/forum/viewtopic.php ? t = 15520 [ mobipocket.com ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>First: the DRM has been broken - AZW is the Mobipocket file-format with just one byte changed so a Mobipocket reader software won't accept it.
So to break Amazons DRM google for "MobiDeDRM" and "Kindle Mobipocket conversion" - it will be the #1 hit ;-).Now having said that you might notice something: Mobipocket has free to download readers for just about 12 different devices.
So if Amazon wanted what you suggest all they had to to is not change that one byte.
So in changing that one byte it is a clear signal that that they want there books to be read on Kindle and Kindle alone.
And iPhone is just a special exception.Before you wonder: Amazon owns Mobipocket [1] - so no they won't change there reader to accept Kindle books.
In fact Mobipocket has stopped producing new reader software all together.It is not difficult see the evil masterplan behind: The typical Embrace, Extend, Extinguish plan which is now in the last phase: Mobipocket to be extinguished by not creating new software for todays devices.
Amazon even got as far as stopping the finished Mobipocktet iPhone reader.
And last not least: not licensing the Mobipocket file format to Sony.For those who own Mobipocket books - ahh sorry mate you loose.
Only by now Amazon has pissed of European customers [2] big time.
After all we can't buy Kindle and feel the Mobipocket demise double.
And we found out about Sony.Martin[1] http://www.mobipocket.com/ [mobipocket.com][2] http://www.mobipocket.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15520 [mobipocket.com]</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362507</id>
	<title>Re:Subsidized hardware</title>
	<author>tirerim</author>
	<datestamp>1245258540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Yeah, I don't get it either.  Especially since in this case they really can't expect people to buy books from Amazon: my girlfriend has had one for over a month, has been using it quite a lot, and hasn't paid for any content yet.  Instead, she's been getting stuff from Project Gutenberg, publishers which offer some things free, etc.

Of course, they are still subsidizing the cost of the wireless connection.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , I do n't get it either .
Especially since in this case they really ca n't expect people to buy books from Amazon : my girlfriend has had one for over a month , has been using it quite a lot , and has n't paid for any content yet .
Instead , she 's been getting stuff from Project Gutenberg , publishers which offer some things free , etc .
Of course , they are still subsidizing the cost of the wireless connection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, I don't get it either.
Especially since in this case they really can't expect people to buy books from Amazon: my girlfriend has had one for over a month, has been using it quite a lot, and hasn't paid for any content yet.
Instead, she's been getting stuff from Project Gutenberg, publishers which offer some things free, etc.
Of course, they are still subsidizing the cost of the wireless connection.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28367113</id>
	<title>The gift market</title>
	<author>Ironica</author>
	<datestamp>1245237180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The biggest reason they didn't mention for pricing the Kindle at cost rather than subsidizing and requiring a subscription is that you capture a lot more gift sales that way.  I can't speak for the rest of the world, but I'm reluctant to ever buy someone a gift that requires a recurring fee (unless I'm going to pay that, too).  And then there's the fact that I never would have bought myself a Kindle, because I just didn't think I had any desire to read books digitally.  But I got one as a gift, and now I really adore it.  I'm at least one customer (who has bought several books from the Kindle store) that they wouldn't have at all if they'd gone with a cell-phone-style pricing plan.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The biggest reason they did n't mention for pricing the Kindle at cost rather than subsidizing and requiring a subscription is that you capture a lot more gift sales that way .
I ca n't speak for the rest of the world , but I 'm reluctant to ever buy someone a gift that requires a recurring fee ( unless I 'm going to pay that , too ) .
And then there 's the fact that I never would have bought myself a Kindle , because I just did n't think I had any desire to read books digitally .
But I got one as a gift , and now I really adore it .
I 'm at least one customer ( who has bought several books from the Kindle store ) that they would n't have at all if they 'd gone with a cell-phone-style pricing plan .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The biggest reason they didn't mention for pricing the Kindle at cost rather than subsidizing and requiring a subscription is that you capture a lot more gift sales that way.
I can't speak for the rest of the world, but I'm reluctant to ever buy someone a gift that requires a recurring fee (unless I'm going to pay that, too).
And then there's the fact that I never would have bought myself a Kindle, because I just didn't think I had any desire to read books digitally.
But I got one as a gift, and now I really adore it.
I'm at least one customer (who has bought several books from the Kindle store) that they wouldn't have at all if they'd gone with a cell-phone-style pricing plan.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362809</id>
	<title>Not buying Kindle books for my Kindle...</title>
	<author>TheMCP</author>
	<datestamp>1245259980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I have a Kindle. I love it. But I'm not buying books from the Kindle store for my Kindle, because they're DRM-encrusted. I'm buying my ebooks from another legitimate source which sells them to me in formats I can convert, and I convert them into Mobi and put them on my Kindle using Calibre.</p><p>So, buying a Kindle does not automatically signal a desire to buy Kindle books. Some of us just like the hardware.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I have a Kindle .
I love it .
But I 'm not buying books from the Kindle store for my Kindle , because they 're DRM-encrusted .
I 'm buying my ebooks from another legitimate source which sells them to me in formats I can convert , and I convert them into Mobi and put them on my Kindle using Calibre.So , buying a Kindle does not automatically signal a desire to buy Kindle books .
Some of us just like the hardware .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I have a Kindle.
I love it.
But I'm not buying books from the Kindle store for my Kindle, because they're DRM-encrusted.
I'm buying my ebooks from another legitimate source which sells them to me in formats I can convert, and I convert them into Mobi and put them on my Kindle using Calibre.So, buying a Kindle does not automatically signal a desire to buy Kindle books.
Some of us just like the hardware.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Ahh, pronoun trouble.</title>
	<author>HTH NE1</author>
	<datestamp>1245268500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Meanwhile, over at the New York Times, <b>Bezos said 'that he sees</b> Kindle-the-device and Kindle-the-book-format as two separate business models, and that the Kindle iPhone App won't be the last software reader to appear.'</p></div><p>Does Jeff Bezos really talk of himself in the third person? Surely the "he" in that quote isn't the aforementioned blogger Peter Smith.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Meanwhile , over at the New York Times , Bezos said 'that he sees Kindle-the-device and Kindle-the-book-format as two separate business models , and that the Kindle iPhone App wo n't be the last software reader to appear .
'Does Jeff Bezos really talk of himself in the third person ?
Surely the " he " in that quote is n't the aforementioned blogger Peter Smith .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Meanwhile, over at the New York Times, Bezos said 'that he sees Kindle-the-device and Kindle-the-book-format as two separate business models, and that the Kindle iPhone App won't be the last software reader to appear.
'Does Jeff Bezos really talk of himself in the third person?
Surely the "he" in that quote isn't the aforementioned blogger Peter Smith.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28364733</id>
	<title>Re:You want DRM encouraging readers?</title>
	<author>NeoSkandranon</author>
	<datestamp>1245268860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you buy from a vendor like Fictionwise it's trivial to keep a record of the keys that your DRM enabled books are valid with, because you put them into the site to enable your downloads to work with any of several devices.</p><p>Given that the encryption is documented, and you have the key that decrypts it, why is it a big deal (in that particular case)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you buy from a vendor like Fictionwise it 's trivial to keep a record of the keys that your DRM enabled books are valid with , because you put them into the site to enable your downloads to work with any of several devices.Given that the encryption is documented , and you have the key that decrypts it , why is it a big deal ( in that particular case )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you buy from a vendor like Fictionwise it's trivial to keep a record of the keys that your DRM enabled books are valid with, because you put them into the site to enable your downloads to work with any of several devices.Given that the encryption is documented, and you have the key that decrypts it, why is it a big deal (in that particular case)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28364287</id>
	<title>Re:Don't subsidise the hardware - subsidise the bo</title>
	<author>bruckie</author>
	<datestamp>1245266940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Digital content has no intrinsic cost, so it's not much of a subsidy on their behalf.</p></div><p>I don't the think the publishers are just going to give their content to Amazon for free, even if Amazon gives it away free.</p><p>--Bruce</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Digital content has no intrinsic cost , so it 's not much of a subsidy on their behalf.I do n't the think the publishers are just going to give their content to Amazon for free , even if Amazon gives it away free.--Bruce</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Digital content has no intrinsic cost, so it's not much of a subsidy on their behalf.I don't the think the publishers are just going to give their content to Amazon for free, even if Amazon gives it away free.--Bruce
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28363939</id>
	<title>Re:kindle price</title>
	<author>Hognoxious</author>
	<datestamp>1245265080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> The price of any product is determined by what the market will bear. Therefore saying that Amazon priced the Kindle as high as they could get away with is simply circular, a tautology.</p></div></blockquote><p> While it's pretty difficult to sell for <i>more</i> than the market will bear, it is possible to sell for <i>less</i>.  What's more it can make sense to do so.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The price of any product is determined by what the market will bear .
Therefore saying that Amazon priced the Kindle as high as they could get away with is simply circular , a tautology .
While it 's pretty difficult to sell for more than the market will bear , it is possible to sell for less .
What 's more it can make sense to do so .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The price of any product is determined by what the market will bear.
Therefore saying that Amazon priced the Kindle as high as they could get away with is simply circular, a tautology.
While it's pretty difficult to sell for more than the market will bear, it is possible to sell for less.
What's more it can make sense to do so.
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362499</id>
	<title>Re:Subsidized hardware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245258480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe it's called 'lock in'.<br>What other industry can force you to use their service \_only\_.</p><p>If I bought a car but was only allowed to use a specific gas station chain to fuel it, even though it can fuel at others, I'd be really pissed, too.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe it 's called 'lock in'.What other industry can force you to use their service \ _only \ _.If I bought a car but was only allowed to use a specific gas station chain to fuel it , even though it can fuel at others , I 'd be really pissed , too .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe it's called 'lock in'.What other industry can force you to use their service \_only\_.If I bought a car but was only allowed to use a specific gas station chain to fuel it, even though it can fuel at others, I'd be really pissed, too.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28363217</id>
	<title>Re:Don't subsidise the hardware - subsidise the bo</title>
	<author>tgd</author>
	<datestamp>1245261900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>200 books?</p><p>Where do you find new books for $2 each?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>200 books ? Where do you find new books for $ 2 each ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>200 books?Where do you find new books for $2 each?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28366123</id>
	<title>Re:Don't subsidise the hardware - subsidise the bo</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245232560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Since I bought my Kindle 2 a few months ago, I have purchased, from Amazon, well over 200 books for a grand total less than $10.  Your move.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Since I bought my Kindle 2 a few months ago , I have purchased , from Amazon , well over 200 books for a grand total less than $ 10 .
Your move .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Since I bought my Kindle 2 a few months ago, I have purchased, from Amazon, well over 200 books for a grand total less than $10.
Your move.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28365091</id>
	<title>Re:I'd prefer to rent an ebook than own itBUY ANYW</title>
	<author>Nom du Keyboard</author>
	<datestamp>1245270480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'd prefer a library model, say $1 a day to read a book, then I could stop access and paying for it.</p></div></blockquote><p>
The trick here is for eBooks to be priced so cheaply that they're competitive with your desired rental model.  How much does an eBook cost and how long does it take you to read it?  The rule of thumb in video games is that a $60 game should give you 60 hours of playing (and replaying) enjoyment.  At $1/hour that's a better bargain than a movie theater, and Netflix is a better bargain than that.<br> <br>
Unless you're a really fast reader who would spend more than $30/month on his books, eBooks are already competitive with your $1/day rental model.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'd prefer a library model , say $ 1 a day to read a book , then I could stop access and paying for it .
The trick here is for eBooks to be priced so cheaply that they 're competitive with your desired rental model .
How much does an eBook cost and how long does it take you to read it ?
The rule of thumb in video games is that a $ 60 game should give you 60 hours of playing ( and replaying ) enjoyment .
At $ 1/hour that 's a better bargain than a movie theater , and Netflix is a better bargain than that .
Unless you 're a really fast reader who would spend more than $ 30/month on his books , eBooks are already competitive with your $ 1/day rental model .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'd prefer a library model, say $1 a day to read a book, then I could stop access and paying for it.
The trick here is for eBooks to be priced so cheaply that they're competitive with your desired rental model.
How much does an eBook cost and how long does it take you to read it?
The rule of thumb in video games is that a $60 game should give you 60 hours of playing (and replaying) enjoyment.
At $1/hour that's a better bargain than a movie theater, and Netflix is a better bargain than that.
Unless you're a really fast reader who would spend more than $30/month on his books, eBooks are already competitive with your $1/day rental model.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362775</id>
	<title>But I don&#226;(TM)t want more DRM</title>
	<author>ZacB</author>
	<datestamp>1245259800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Kindle-the-device is definitely a cool devise that I would love to have. However, Kindle-the-book-format is the same DRM crap that all the online music sores tried to shove down our throat.  I'm not going to start buying books that can only be used on approved hardware. As soon as they remove that restriction sign me up ill take five.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Kindle-the-device is definitely a cool devise that I would love to have .
However , Kindle-the-book-format is the same DRM crap that all the online music sores tried to shove down our throat .
I 'm not going to start buying books that can only be used on approved hardware .
As soon as they remove that restriction sign me up ill take five .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Kindle-the-device is definitely a cool devise that I would love to have.
However, Kindle-the-book-format is the same DRM crap that all the online music sores tried to shove down our throat.
I'm not going to start buying books that can only be used on approved hardware.
As soon as they remove that restriction sign me up ill take five.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28366823</id>
	<title>Here's what I want</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245235800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've been reading ebooks for years on various devices.  None of them will do what I really want, though.</p><p>My feature list:<br>Work on a device I'm carrying anyway like an iPhone, SmartPhone, or Blackberry<br>Support multiple formats<br>(Here's the big one) Let me switch from text reading to audio (text to speech) AND BACK as desired<br>Support bluetooth to stream the audio to external speakers like in my car<br>Have a back lit screen for reading in the dark (like on any phone, but not Kindle)</p><p>The Kindle is close and if the iPhone version will eventually support the text to speech option (it doesn't right now) then I will pay whatever they want.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've been reading ebooks for years on various devices .
None of them will do what I really want , though.My feature list : Work on a device I 'm carrying anyway like an iPhone , SmartPhone , or BlackberrySupport multiple formats ( Here 's the big one ) Let me switch from text reading to audio ( text to speech ) AND BACK as desiredSupport bluetooth to stream the audio to external speakers like in my carHave a back lit screen for reading in the dark ( like on any phone , but not Kindle ) The Kindle is close and if the iPhone version will eventually support the text to speech option ( it does n't right now ) then I will pay whatever they want .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've been reading ebooks for years on various devices.
None of them will do what I really want, though.My feature list:Work on a device I'm carrying anyway like an iPhone, SmartPhone, or BlackberrySupport multiple formats(Here's the big one) Let me switch from text reading to audio (text to speech) AND BACK as desiredSupport bluetooth to stream the audio to external speakers like in my carHave a back lit screen for reading in the dark (like on any phone, but not Kindle)The Kindle is close and if the iPhone version will eventually support the text to speech option (it doesn't right now) then I will pay whatever they want.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362519</id>
	<title>Re:Subsidized hardware</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245258600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Why is it only in the tech-gadget industry that people expect manufacturers to sell items for *less than cost*?</p></div><p>I know!  People would think you were crazy if you suggested selling a razor at below cost to encourage people to buy them and let you make money from the blades.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Why is it only in the tech-gadget industry that people expect manufacturers to sell items for * less than cost * ? I know !
People would think you were crazy if you suggested selling a razor at below cost to encourage people to buy them and let you make money from the blades .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why is it only in the tech-gadget industry that people expect manufacturers to sell items for *less than cost*?I know!
People would think you were crazy if you suggested selling a razor at below cost to encourage people to buy them and let you make money from the blades.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362355</id>
	<title>Kindle 1 owner</title>
	<author>BigHungryJoe</author>
	<datestamp>1245257820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>there's more than one "Kindle-the-book-format", though. There's the regular Kindle file, azw, and there's one they call the "Topaz" format (azw1), and it sucks. I love Vernor Vinge, and unfortunately, lots of his stuff is in topaz format on the Kindle.</p><p>Huge numbers of artifacts - lines printed over other lines, skipped lines, and sometimes the first word of a sentence has huge amounts of whitespace between the first and second letter.</p><p>Other than that, love my Kindle.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>there 's more than one " Kindle-the-book-format " , though .
There 's the regular Kindle file , azw , and there 's one they call the " Topaz " format ( azw1 ) , and it sucks .
I love Vernor Vinge , and unfortunately , lots of his stuff is in topaz format on the Kindle.Huge numbers of artifacts - lines printed over other lines , skipped lines , and sometimes the first word of a sentence has huge amounts of whitespace between the first and second letter.Other than that , love my Kindle .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>there's more than one "Kindle-the-book-format", though.
There's the regular Kindle file, azw, and there's one they call the "Topaz" format (azw1), and it sucks.
I love Vernor Vinge, and unfortunately, lots of his stuff is in topaz format on the Kindle.Huge numbers of artifacts - lines printed over other lines, skipped lines, and sometimes the first word of a sentence has huge amounts of whitespace between the first and second letter.Other than that, love my Kindle.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28363709</id>
	<title>A 180&#194; turn - I believe it when I see it.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245264000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yes interesting especially when one considers that Amazon owns Mobipocket and Mobipocket has all those readers already:</p><p><a href="http://www.mobipocket.com/en/DownloadSoft/default.asp" title="mobipocket.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mobipocket.com/en/DownloadSoft/default.asp</a> [mobipocket.com]</p><p>And one considers that AZW and MOBI are almost identical. So if that is what they want - why fork the file format in the first place?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yes interesting especially when one considers that Amazon owns Mobipocket and Mobipocket has all those readers already : http : //www.mobipocket.com/en/DownloadSoft/default.asp [ mobipocket.com ] And one considers that AZW and MOBI are almost identical .
So if that is what they want - why fork the file format in the first place ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yes interesting especially when one considers that Amazon owns Mobipocket and Mobipocket has all those readers already:http://www.mobipocket.com/en/DownloadSoft/default.asp [mobipocket.com]And one considers that AZW and MOBI are almost identical.
So if that is what they want - why fork the file format in the first place?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28364621</id>
	<title>Re:Not buying Kindle books for my Kindle...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245268380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Wow, you really showed them.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , you really showed them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, you really showed them.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28363231</id>
	<title>Re:Don't subsidise the hardware - subsidise the bo</title>
	<author>tgd</author>
	<datestamp>1245261960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If you notice, though, newer books with paperback editions, typically the Kindle version is $9.99 and the paperback less.</p><p>You have to get to much older books for Kindle prices to be lower than paperback prices, and even with old sci-fi novels, its typically 5\% less.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If you notice , though , newer books with paperback editions , typically the Kindle version is $ 9.99 and the paperback less.You have to get to much older books for Kindle prices to be lower than paperback prices , and even with old sci-fi novels , its typically 5 \ % less .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If you notice, though, newer books with paperback editions, typically the Kindle version is $9.99 and the paperback less.You have to get to much older books for Kindle prices to be lower than paperback prices, and even with old sci-fi novels, its typically 5\% less.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28366587</id>
	<title>Re:I'd prefer to rent an ebook than own it</title>
	<author>Ironica</author>
	<datestamp>1245234600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>98\% of books and 99.9\% of magazines I never re-read.  I'd prefer a library model, say $1 a day to read a book, then I could stop access and paying for it. The main exception would be course-texts.</p></div><p>If I was paying $1/day for my Kindle books, which I read for a few minutes here and there while waiting for the rest of my life to happen, I'd end up paying $10-15 per book.  Currently I pay $5-10 (for Amazon books; books from Baen.com are free), and can look up what happened in the previous book when I'm reading a subsequent novel in the same series, for example.</p><p>Also, it's currently possible to back up the book files on your device to your home computer.  They'd have to disable that feature if they wanted to implement a library model, where you only pay while you're using it.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>98 \ % of books and 99.9 \ % of magazines I never re-read .
I 'd prefer a library model , say $ 1 a day to read a book , then I could stop access and paying for it .
The main exception would be course-texts.If I was paying $ 1/day for my Kindle books , which I read for a few minutes here and there while waiting for the rest of my life to happen , I 'd end up paying $ 10-15 per book .
Currently I pay $ 5-10 ( for Amazon books ; books from Baen.com are free ) , and can look up what happened in the previous book when I 'm reading a subsequent novel in the same series , for example.Also , it 's currently possible to back up the book files on your device to your home computer .
They 'd have to disable that feature if they wanted to implement a library model , where you only pay while you 're using it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>98\% of books and 99.9\% of magazines I never re-read.
I'd prefer a library model, say $1 a day to read a book, then I could stop access and paying for it.
The main exception would be course-texts.If I was paying $1/day for my Kindle books, which I read for a few minutes here and there while waiting for the rest of my life to happen, I'd end up paying $10-15 per book.
Currently I pay $5-10 (for Amazon books; books from Baen.com are free), and can look up what happened in the previous book when I'm reading a subsequent novel in the same series, for example.Also, it's currently possible to back up the book files on your device to your home computer.
They'd have to disable that feature if they wanted to implement a library model, where you only pay while you're using it.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362649</id>
	<title>Re:Don't subsidise the hardware - subsidise the bo</title>
	<author>SilentTristero</author>
	<datestamp>1245259200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>They do subsidize the books (if by subsidize you mean "sell for less than hardcopy").  I just bought Outliers for Kindle for $9.99; hardcopy is $14.83 from Amazon, or $18.19 from B&amp;N.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>They do subsidize the books ( if by subsidize you mean " sell for less than hardcopy " ) .
I just bought Outliers for Kindle for $ 9.99 ; hardcopy is $ 14.83 from Amazon , or $ 18.19 from B&amp;N .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They do subsidize the books (if by subsidize you mean "sell for less than hardcopy").
I just bought Outliers for Kindle for $9.99; hardcopy is $14.83 from Amazon, or $18.19 from B&amp;N.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28365379</id>
	<title>Re:Not buying Kindle books for my KindleBUY DIRECT</title>
	<author>Nom du Keyboard</author>
	<datestamp>1245271800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>I'm buying my ebooks from another legitimate source which sells them to me in formats I can convert</p></div></blockquote><p>
Then buy them directly from <a href="http://excessica.com/" title="excessica.com">eXcessica Publishing</a> [excessica.com] and other publishers who offer their titles on their own sites across a variety of standard and open formats.
<br> <br>
NSFW Warning: eXcessica Publishing sells adult titles for mature readers.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm buying my ebooks from another legitimate source which sells them to me in formats I can convert Then buy them directly from eXcessica Publishing [ excessica.com ] and other publishers who offer their titles on their own sites across a variety of standard and open formats .
NSFW Warning : eXcessica Publishing sells adult titles for mature readers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm buying my ebooks from another legitimate source which sells them to me in formats I can convert
Then buy them directly from eXcessica Publishing [excessica.com] and other publishers who offer their titles on their own sites across a variety of standard and open formats.
NSFW Warning: eXcessica Publishing sells adult titles for mature readers.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28366883</id>
	<title>Re:I see where this is going...</title>
	<author>Ironica</author>
	<datestamp>1245236100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p><div class="quote"><p>Bezos said 'that he sees Kindle-the-device and Kindle-the-book-format as two separate business models</p></div><p>What's next? Kindle the Lunchbox? Kindle the Flamethrower?</p></div><p>Dammit, if they come out with those, I'll have to get a new Kindle!  Or possibly even two!</p></div>
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<tokenext>Bezos said 'that he sees Kindle-the-device and Kindle-the-book-format as two separate business modelsWhat 's next ?
Kindle the Lunchbox ?
Kindle the Flamethrower ? Dammit , if they come out with those , I 'll have to get a new Kindle !
Or possibly even two !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bezos said 'that he sees Kindle-the-device and Kindle-the-book-format as two separate business modelsWhat's next?
Kindle the Lunchbox?
Kindle the Flamethrower?Dammit, if they come out with those, I'll have to get a new Kindle!
Or possibly even two!
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28364129</id>
	<title>Re:Don't subsidise the hardware - subsidise the bo</title>
	<author>2obvious4u</author>
	<datestamp>1245265920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Why does slashdot continue to promote the idea that "digital content has no intrinsic cost"?  It does have intrinsic cost, a lot of intrinsic cost, that people on slashdot for some reason seam to forget to mention.</p><p>Let me count the costs of intrinsic to just the one copy of the file.<br>1. You have to have a server to house it on, even if there is just one copy, without the hardware you have no file, therefore it is intrinsic to the file.<br>2. You have to have people manage that hardware and keep it running, unlike a book that you can leave on a shelf a digital copy that is able to be distributed must be maintained.<br>3. Regular backups to recover possible data loss and the hardware(tape drives, flash drives, however else you wanna back it up)<br>4. Electricity<br>5. Internet Connection</p><p>These costs don't go away once the book is delivered, the publisher/distributer must maintain these costs for as long as they wish to offer this book, increasing the costs.</p><p>The first book you put online has a huge cost, with every book you add after the first it gets cheaper, to a point.  Unlike physical inventory which you can liquidate, your digital library must be constantly maintained.  So, yes, distribution of the item over the internet is cheap (once again not free); however running the data center that houses the digital media is more expensive than a warehouse of books.</p><p>Someone really needs to compare the cost of over time of one book from the time it reaches the publisher to the time it reaches the consumer.  I have a hunch that the cost of the digitally distributed book will have the higher cost.  The costs just scale better digitally.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Why does slashdot continue to promote the idea that " digital content has no intrinsic cost " ?
It does have intrinsic cost , a lot of intrinsic cost , that people on slashdot for some reason seam to forget to mention.Let me count the costs of intrinsic to just the one copy of the file.1 .
You have to have a server to house it on , even if there is just one copy , without the hardware you have no file , therefore it is intrinsic to the file.2 .
You have to have people manage that hardware and keep it running , unlike a book that you can leave on a shelf a digital copy that is able to be distributed must be maintained.3 .
Regular backups to recover possible data loss and the hardware ( tape drives , flash drives , however else you wan na back it up ) 4 .
Electricity5. Internet ConnectionThese costs do n't go away once the book is delivered , the publisher/distributer must maintain these costs for as long as they wish to offer this book , increasing the costs.The first book you put online has a huge cost , with every book you add after the first it gets cheaper , to a point .
Unlike physical inventory which you can liquidate , your digital library must be constantly maintained .
So , yes , distribution of the item over the internet is cheap ( once again not free ) ; however running the data center that houses the digital media is more expensive than a warehouse of books.Someone really needs to compare the cost of over time of one book from the time it reaches the publisher to the time it reaches the consumer .
I have a hunch that the cost of the digitally distributed book will have the higher cost .
The costs just scale better digitally .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Why does slashdot continue to promote the idea that "digital content has no intrinsic cost"?
It does have intrinsic cost, a lot of intrinsic cost, that people on slashdot for some reason seam to forget to mention.Let me count the costs of intrinsic to just the one copy of the file.1.
You have to have a server to house it on, even if there is just one copy, without the hardware you have no file, therefore it is intrinsic to the file.2.
You have to have people manage that hardware and keep it running, unlike a book that you can leave on a shelf a digital copy that is able to be distributed must be maintained.3.
Regular backups to recover possible data loss and the hardware(tape drives, flash drives, however else you wanna back it up)4.
Electricity5. Internet ConnectionThese costs don't go away once the book is delivered, the publisher/distributer must maintain these costs for as long as they wish to offer this book, increasing the costs.The first book you put online has a huge cost, with every book you add after the first it gets cheaper, to a point.
Unlike physical inventory which you can liquidate, your digital library must be constantly maintained.
So, yes, distribution of the item over the internet is cheap (once again not free); however running the data center that houses the digital media is more expensive than a warehouse of books.Someone really needs to compare the cost of over time of one book from the time it reaches the publisher to the time it reaches the consumer.
I have a hunch that the cost of the digitally distributed book will have the higher cost.
The costs just scale better digitally.</sentencetext>
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	<title>I'd prefer to rent an ebook than own it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245258180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
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	<htmltext>98\% of books and 99.9\% of magazines I never re-read.  I'd prefer a library model, say $1 a day to read a book, then I could stop access and paying for it. The main exception would be course-texts.</htmltext>
<tokenext>98 \ % of books and 99.9 \ % of magazines I never re-read .
I 'd prefer a library model , say $ 1 a day to read a book , then I could stop access and paying for it .
The main exception would be course-texts .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>98\% of books and 99.9\% of magazines I never re-read.
I'd prefer a library model, say $1 a day to read a book, then I could stop access and paying for it.
The main exception would be course-texts.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Don't subsidise the hardware - subsidise the books</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245258600000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>The thing that stops me taking the Kindle is the huge upfront cost.  I can buy 200 books for the price of one Kindle.  Obviously, the Kindle has all sorts of advantages over regular books, but it's quite a steep cost.</p><p>I think Amazon should subsidise the books.  Make the Kindle come with, say, $200 worth of vouchers redeemable in the Amazon store.  Make it $100 worth of general vouchers and $100 worth of 2-for-1 deals.  Anything to cut the apparent cost of the hardware.</p><p>Digital content has no intrinsic cost, so it's not much of a subsidy on their behalf.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The thing that stops me taking the Kindle is the huge upfront cost .
I can buy 200 books for the price of one Kindle .
Obviously , the Kindle has all sorts of advantages over regular books , but it 's quite a steep cost.I think Amazon should subsidise the books .
Make the Kindle come with , say , $ 200 worth of vouchers redeemable in the Amazon store .
Make it $ 100 worth of general vouchers and $ 100 worth of 2-for-1 deals .
Anything to cut the apparent cost of the hardware.Digital content has no intrinsic cost , so it 's not much of a subsidy on their behalf .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The thing that stops me taking the Kindle is the huge upfront cost.
I can buy 200 books for the price of one Kindle.
Obviously, the Kindle has all sorts of advantages over regular books, but it's quite a steep cost.I think Amazon should subsidise the books.
Make the Kindle come with, say, $200 worth of vouchers redeemable in the Amazon store.
Make it $100 worth of general vouchers and $100 worth of 2-for-1 deals.
Anything to cut the apparent cost of the hardware.Digital content has no intrinsic cost, so it's not much of a subsidy on their behalf.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Not buying Kindle books for my Kindle...</title>
	<author>JJAnon</author>
	<datestamp>1245268080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Just curious - where do you buy books?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Just curious - where do you buy books ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just curious - where do you buy books?</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28363061</id>
	<title>Re:Subsidized hardware</title>
	<author>ableal</author>
	<datestamp>1245261180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext>Bezos is old enough to know about the CueCat barcode scanner, and smart enough to not fall for that one. Not everybody's case<nobr> <wbr></nobr>...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Bezos is old enough to know about the CueCat barcode scanner , and smart enough to not fall for that one .
Not everybody 's case .. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Bezos is old enough to know about the CueCat barcode scanner, and smart enough to not fall for that one.
Not everybody's case ...</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:I'd prefer to rent an ebook than own it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245262080000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p> I'd prefer a library model</p></div><p>Kindle IS a library model, despite what they suggest in their advertising. You download the book to your Kindle but you can't sell it or lend it to a friend. They have access to the book to do anything they wish to it at any time. (As in the right-to-read-books-aloud fiasco recently).</p><p>They rent it to you for full paper-purchase price for as long as they choose to support the Kindle format.</p></div>
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<tokenext>I 'd prefer a library modelKindle IS a library model , despite what they suggest in their advertising .
You download the book to your Kindle but you ca n't sell it or lend it to a friend .
They have access to the book to do anything they wish to it at any time .
( As in the right-to-read-books-aloud fiasco recently ) .They rent it to you for full paper-purchase price for as long as they choose to support the Kindle format .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> I'd prefer a library modelKindle IS a library model, despite what they suggest in their advertising.
You download the book to your Kindle but you can't sell it or lend it to a friend.
They have access to the book to do anything they wish to it at any time.
(As in the right-to-read-books-aloud fiasco recently).They rent it to you for full paper-purchase price for as long as they choose to support the Kindle format.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28362329</id>
	<title>Citizens and Lawyers</title>
	<author>fm6</author>
	<datestamp>1245257700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>(they're being good open source citizens and releasing mods they've made to open source code -- good for them!)</p></div><p>It's not really about citizenship. It's about not being sued. In organizations I've worked in, engineers have so much to do that tasks they consider low-priority (like reviewing product documentation, and releasing modifications to open source products) tend to fall through the cracks. As a tech writer, it's part of my job to be an asshole about getting developers to review what I write. Same goes for our lawyers: they have to be assholes about getting developers to comply with legal stuff, including the open source releases.</p></div>
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<tokenext>( they 're being good open source citizens and releasing mods they 've made to open source code -- good for them !
) It 's not really about citizenship .
It 's about not being sued .
In organizations I 've worked in , engineers have so much to do that tasks they consider low-priority ( like reviewing product documentation , and releasing modifications to open source products ) tend to fall through the cracks .
As a tech writer , it 's part of my job to be an asshole about getting developers to review what I write .
Same goes for our lawyers : they have to be assholes about getting developers to comply with legal stuff , including the open source releases .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>(they're being good open source citizens and releasing mods they've made to open source code -- good for them!
)It's not really about citizenship.
It's about not being sued.
In organizations I've worked in, engineers have so much to do that tasks they consider low-priority (like reviewing product documentation, and releasing modifications to open source products) tend to fall through the cracks.
As a tech writer, it's part of my job to be an asshole about getting developers to review what I write.
Same goes for our lawyers: they have to be assholes about getting developers to comply with legal stuff, including the open source releases.
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28363847</id>
	<title>Re:Amazon's Pump-n-Dump?</title>
	<author>JohnBailey</author>
	<datestamp>1245264660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
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	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>If this were a big win for Amazon, it would show up in their numbers.</p></div><p>It's a new market. It will take time to show as more than a blip. Remember how it used to be a running joke about Amazon ever making a profit? Funny how times change.<br>I do remember reading somewhere that they are selling something like a third of ebooks as opposed to paper for titles where both exist, so this is a substitution rather than extra sales, but an ebook costs less to stock, as it's just a file on a hard drive somewhere, not a specific number of items that need the be warehoused, inventoried, packed and dispatched.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Now, how many of you *actually* stuff another device in your laptop bag to read books?</p></div><p>You do know that you are actually allowed to read at home too? I use my reader (not a kindle) at home predominantly. Have a look at the majority age demographic these things are selling to.. 40s and 50s plus. Not teens and 20 somethings. People who read quite a bit, but who are getting to the point where eyesight is failing, and who have a need for a device with scalable fonts.</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Or, maybe it will be like the days when Apple introduced the ipod and many on<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/. said it was doomed, only with Amazon the expectations are backwards.</p></div><p>Yet every e-book article that comes up, there are a hoard of people proclaiming it doomed, and that it is useless if it doesn't have colour/A4 screen/work with textbooks or manuals, play movies etc..<br>So far, I'd say it is exactly like the iPod scenario. Right down to the "digital media will  never catch on because people want something  tactile to hold" bullshit.</p></div>
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<tokenext>If this were a big win for Amazon , it would show up in their numbers.It 's a new market .
It will take time to show as more than a blip .
Remember how it used to be a running joke about Amazon ever making a profit ?
Funny how times change.I do remember reading somewhere that they are selling something like a third of ebooks as opposed to paper for titles where both exist , so this is a substitution rather than extra sales , but an ebook costs less to stock , as it 's just a file on a hard drive somewhere , not a specific number of items that need the be warehoused , inventoried , packed and dispatched.Now , how many of you * actually * stuff another device in your laptop bag to read books ? You do know that you are actually allowed to read at home too ?
I use my reader ( not a kindle ) at home predominantly .
Have a look at the majority age demographic these things are selling to.. 40s and 50s plus .
Not teens and 20 somethings .
People who read quite a bit , but who are getting to the point where eyesight is failing , and who have a need for a device with scalable fonts.Or , maybe it will be like the days when Apple introduced the ipod and many on / .
said it was doomed , only with Amazon the expectations are backwards.Yet every e-book article that comes up , there are a hoard of people proclaiming it doomed , and that it is useless if it does n't have colour/A4 screen/work with textbooks or manuals , play movies etc..So far , I 'd say it is exactly like the iPod scenario .
Right down to the " digital media will never catch on because people want something tactile to hold " bullshit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this were a big win for Amazon, it would show up in their numbers.It's a new market.
It will take time to show as more than a blip.
Remember how it used to be a running joke about Amazon ever making a profit?
Funny how times change.I do remember reading somewhere that they are selling something like a third of ebooks as opposed to paper for titles where both exist, so this is a substitution rather than extra sales, but an ebook costs less to stock, as it's just a file on a hard drive somewhere, not a specific number of items that need the be warehoused, inventoried, packed and dispatched.Now, how many of you *actually* stuff another device in your laptop bag to read books?You do know that you are actually allowed to read at home too?
I use my reader (not a kindle) at home predominantly.
Have a look at the majority age demographic these things are selling to.. 40s and 50s plus.
Not teens and 20 somethings.
People who read quite a bit, but who are getting to the point where eyesight is failing, and who have a need for a device with scalable fonts.Or, maybe it will be like the days when Apple introduced the ipod and many on /.
said it was doomed, only with Amazon the expectations are backwards.Yet every e-book article that comes up, there are a hoard of people proclaiming it doomed, and that it is useless if it doesn't have colour/A4 screen/work with textbooks or manuals, play movies etc..So far, I'd say it is exactly like the iPod scenario.
Right down to the "digital media will  never catch on because people want something  tactile to hold" bullshit.
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	<title>Re:I'd prefer to rent an ebook than own it</title>
	<author>sexconker</author>
	<datestamp>1245264300000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p>99.999\% of books and 99.999\% of magazines I never read.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>99.999 \ % of books and 99.999 \ % of magazines I never read .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>99.999\% of books and 99.999\% of magazines I never read.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_17_1526216.28367193</id>
	<title>Re:Amazon's Pump-n-Dump?</title>
	<author>Doomdark</author>
	<datestamp>1245237660000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext><p><i><br>If this were a big win for Amazon, it would show up in their numbers.<br></i></p><p>Perhaps you should consider concept called <b>order of magnitude</b> with your comparisons.</p><p>While growth for Kindle and e-books is impressive, percentage-wise, size of that segment is rather small compared to many other lines of merchandise Amazon sells, as well as revenue from their sales of services (hosting others like Target, Marks and Spencer, Sears Canada, AWS etc). For example, electronics is a big growth segment, far outnumbering e-books, although with obviously not nearly as high profit margin.</p><p>Not to mention that as you should know, Amazon has NOT provided any number breakdown to indicate exactly what part of revenue or earnings comes from Kindle. This is intentional (for whatever the reason is).</p><p>So, no, absence of evidence (of Kindle's effects on stock price) is not evidence of absence.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If this were a big win for Amazon , it would show up in their numbers.Perhaps you should consider concept called order of magnitude with your comparisons.While growth for Kindle and e-books is impressive , percentage-wise , size of that segment is rather small compared to many other lines of merchandise Amazon sells , as well as revenue from their sales of services ( hosting others like Target , Marks and Spencer , Sears Canada , AWS etc ) .
For example , electronics is a big growth segment , far outnumbering e-books , although with obviously not nearly as high profit margin.Not to mention that as you should know , Amazon has NOT provided any number breakdown to indicate exactly what part of revenue or earnings comes from Kindle .
This is intentional ( for whatever the reason is ) .So , no , absence of evidence ( of Kindle 's effects on stock price ) is not evidence of absence .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If this were a big win for Amazon, it would show up in their numbers.Perhaps you should consider concept called order of magnitude with your comparisons.While growth for Kindle and e-books is impressive, percentage-wise, size of that segment is rather small compared to many other lines of merchandise Amazon sells, as well as revenue from their sales of services (hosting others like Target, Marks and Spencer, Sears Canada, AWS etc).
For example, electronics is a big growth segment, far outnumbering e-books, although with obviously not nearly as high profit margin.Not to mention that as you should know, Amazon has NOT provided any number breakdown to indicate exactly what part of revenue or earnings comes from Kindle.
This is intentional (for whatever the reason is).So, no, absence of evidence (of Kindle's effects on stock price) is not evidence of absence.</sentencetext>
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	<title>Re:Don't subsidise the hardware - subsidise the bo</title>
	<author>bwalling</author>
	<datestamp>1245265680000</datestamp>
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	<htmltext>And in a few months, Outliers will go to paperback, where it will be cheaper than $9.99, and the used copies of the paperback will be around $4.  Kindle prices are only good on books currently still in hardcover only.  For anything else, a used paperback is almost always cheaper.<br> <br>I buy books frequently (several per month), and generally stick to used paperbacks.  I tend to sell the books I don't care for, and keep the ones that I will refer back to (I don't read fiction, so books have repeat value for me).  I would argue that the "subsidy" you point to is no subsidy at all.  I'm still significantly better off buying dead tree books rather than a Kindle version.<br> <br>I do have a Sony Reader that I use to read out of copyright books and chose it because Kindle can't handle PDF well.  I'm not averse to eBooks as some are.  Just waiting for it to actually make financial sense.</htmltext>
<tokenext>And in a few months , Outliers will go to paperback , where it will be cheaper than $ 9.99 , and the used copies of the paperback will be around $ 4 .
Kindle prices are only good on books currently still in hardcover only .
For anything else , a used paperback is almost always cheaper .
I buy books frequently ( several per month ) , and generally stick to used paperbacks .
I tend to sell the books I do n't care for , and keep the ones that I will refer back to ( I do n't read fiction , so books have repeat value for me ) .
I would argue that the " subsidy " you point to is no subsidy at all .
I 'm still significantly better off buying dead tree books rather than a Kindle version .
I do have a Sony Reader that I use to read out of copyright books and chose it because Kindle ca n't handle PDF well .
I 'm not averse to eBooks as some are .
Just waiting for it to actually make financial sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And in a few months, Outliers will go to paperback, where it will be cheaper than $9.99, and the used copies of the paperback will be around $4.
Kindle prices are only good on books currently still in hardcover only.
For anything else, a used paperback is almost always cheaper.
I buy books frequently (several per month), and generally stick to used paperbacks.
I tend to sell the books I don't care for, and keep the ones that I will refer back to (I don't read fiction, so books have repeat value for me).
I would argue that the "subsidy" you point to is no subsidy at all.
I'm still significantly better off buying dead tree books rather than a Kindle version.
I do have a Sony Reader that I use to read out of copyright books and chose it because Kindle can't handle PDF well.
I'm not averse to eBooks as some are.
Just waiting for it to actually make financial sense.</sentencetext>
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