<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_16_1629200</id>
	<title>Passengers Cheat Flu Scan With Fever Reducers</title>
	<author>samzenpus</author>
	<datestamp>1245177360000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>Nguyen Van Chau, head of Ho Chi Minh City's Health Department, has revealed that many sick passengers who flew to Ho Chi Minh City <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090615/od\_nm/us\_flu\_fever;\_ylt=Aqfx0y80KQg7bJc.RdUE5iISH9EA">used fever reducers to fool temperature scanners</a> at the airport. The government has confirmed 26 people infected with H1N1 flu, 23 of whom came by air after traveling in the United States or Australia. State media reports that the discovery of these scanner cheaters led to the detection of several infected cases later.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Nguyen Van Chau , head of Ho Chi Minh City 's Health Department , has revealed that many sick passengers who flew to Ho Chi Minh City used fever reducers to fool temperature scanners at the airport .
The government has confirmed 26 people infected with H1N1 flu , 23 of whom came by air after traveling in the United States or Australia .
State media reports that the discovery of these scanner cheaters led to the detection of several infected cases later .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nguyen Van Chau, head of Ho Chi Minh City's Health Department, has revealed that many sick passengers who flew to Ho Chi Minh City used fever reducers to fool temperature scanners at the airport.
The government has confirmed 26 people infected with H1N1 flu, 23 of whom came by air after traveling in the United States or Australia.
State media reports that the discovery of these scanner cheaters led to the detection of several infected cases later.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351363</id>
	<title>Wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245181200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>How can you call a desired outcome of taking asprin (reducing a fever) with cheating?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>How can you call a desired outcome of taking asprin ( reducing a fever ) with cheating ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>How can you call a desired outcome of taking asprin (reducing a fever) with cheating?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351817</id>
	<title>Those people ..</title>
	<author>SlashDev</author>
	<datestamp>1245182760000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>.. who are taking 'fever reducers' are not cheating as they have no way of knowing whether or not they have the H1N1 virus. Furthermore I have the uneasy feeling that at some point, 'fever reducers' will be pulled off the shelves and H1N1 vaccination will be required.

JMHO</htmltext>
<tokenext>.. who are taking 'fever reducers ' are not cheating as they have no way of knowing whether or not they have the H1N1 virus .
Furthermore I have the uneasy feeling that at some point , 'fever reducers ' will be pulled off the shelves and H1N1 vaccination will be required .
JMHO</tokentext>
<sentencetext>.. who are taking 'fever reducers' are not cheating as they have no way of knowing whether or not they have the H1N1 virus.
Furthermore I have the uneasy feeling that at some point, 'fever reducers' will be pulled off the shelves and H1N1 vaccination will be required.
JMHO</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28352425</id>
	<title>Re:So doing something to my own body is CHEATING?</title>
	<author>causality</author>
	<datestamp>1245185160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>When did I cede control over my body to the government?</p></div></blockquote><p>
Why, at least since the War on (some) Drugs.  You don't own your body if the government can tell you what you may or may not put into it.  Likewise, you don't own your consciousness if the government can tell you that there are authorized and unauthorized ways of altering it.  In both cases, you are more like a tenant of your body and of your mind, not an owner.  That's one of the major reasons why you don't use manipulative social engineering to solve perceived problems, because it sets some very nasty precedents like this.  Precedents which later generations, having few or no counter-examples, grow up to believe are normal and acceptable.
<br> <br>
If the War on Drugs actually did anything to reduce the street availability of the substances it seeks to control (do the research; it hasn't), I might feel differently about it, though I doubt it because my opposition to it is rooted in principle.  As it has failed to achieve its primary stated goals, I consider it completely without merit and its ill side-effects to be unjustifiable.  Anyway, to answer your question, yes we have ceded control over our bodies to the government and we did it a long time ago.  We traded it for a little safety that hasn't kept us any safer but has guaranteed a steady flow of money to various criminal organizations by means of the black market.  Like anyone else who trades what is priceless for something that has a price, we got screwed.  Not only is some buyer's remorse in order, it's long overdue.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>When did I cede control over my body to the government ?
Why , at least since the War on ( some ) Drugs .
You do n't own your body if the government can tell you what you may or may not put into it .
Likewise , you do n't own your consciousness if the government can tell you that there are authorized and unauthorized ways of altering it .
In both cases , you are more like a tenant of your body and of your mind , not an owner .
That 's one of the major reasons why you do n't use manipulative social engineering to solve perceived problems , because it sets some very nasty precedents like this .
Precedents which later generations , having few or no counter-examples , grow up to believe are normal and acceptable .
If the War on Drugs actually did anything to reduce the street availability of the substances it seeks to control ( do the research ; it has n't ) , I might feel differently about it , though I doubt it because my opposition to it is rooted in principle .
As it has failed to achieve its primary stated goals , I consider it completely without merit and its ill side-effects to be unjustifiable .
Anyway , to answer your question , yes we have ceded control over our bodies to the government and we did it a long time ago .
We traded it for a little safety that has n't kept us any safer but has guaranteed a steady flow of money to various criminal organizations by means of the black market .
Like anyone else who trades what is priceless for something that has a price , we got screwed .
Not only is some buyer 's remorse in order , it 's long overdue .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When did I cede control over my body to the government?
Why, at least since the War on (some) Drugs.
You don't own your body if the government can tell you what you may or may not put into it.
Likewise, you don't own your consciousness if the government can tell you that there are authorized and unauthorized ways of altering it.
In both cases, you are more like a tenant of your body and of your mind, not an owner.
That's one of the major reasons why you don't use manipulative social engineering to solve perceived problems, because it sets some very nasty precedents like this.
Precedents which later generations, having few or no counter-examples, grow up to believe are normal and acceptable.
If the War on Drugs actually did anything to reduce the street availability of the substances it seeks to control (do the research; it hasn't), I might feel differently about it, though I doubt it because my opposition to it is rooted in principle.
As it has failed to achieve its primary stated goals, I consider it completely without merit and its ill side-effects to be unjustifiable.
Anyway, to answer your question, yes we have ceded control over our bodies to the government and we did it a long time ago.
We traded it for a little safety that hasn't kept us any safer but has guaranteed a steady flow of money to various criminal organizations by means of the black market.
Like anyone else who trades what is priceless for something that has a price, we got screwed.
Not only is some buyer's remorse in order, it's long overdue.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351789</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28356343</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>RDW</author>
	<datestamp>1245162060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>'Sounds to me more like justification for making examples out of people who were feeling unwell.'</p><p>Also sounds suspiciously like an excuse for the basic failure of their system to detect infected cases. Which should come as no surprise, since airport temperature scanners are known to be pretty ineffective, and the border controls they aim to enforce have essentially no impact on the spread of a pandemic virus:</p><p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/mexico/5238030/Swine-flu-Border-controls-dont-work-warns-WHO.html" title="telegraph.co.uk">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/mexico/5238030/Swine-flu-Border-controls-dont-work-warns-WHO.html</a> [telegraph.co.uk]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>'Sounds to me more like justification for making examples out of people who were feeling unwell .
'Also sounds suspiciously like an excuse for the basic failure of their system to detect infected cases .
Which should come as no surprise , since airport temperature scanners are known to be pretty ineffective , and the border controls they aim to enforce have essentially no impact on the spread of a pandemic virus : http : //www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/mexico/5238030/Swine-flu-Border-controls-dont-work-warns-WHO.html [ telegraph.co.uk ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>'Sounds to me more like justification for making examples out of people who were feeling unwell.
'Also sounds suspiciously like an excuse for the basic failure of their system to detect infected cases.
Which should come as no surprise, since airport temperature scanners are known to be pretty ineffective, and the border controls they aim to enforce have essentially no impact on the spread of a pandemic virus:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/mexico/5238030/Swine-flu-Border-controls-dont-work-warns-WHO.html [telegraph.co.uk]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351745</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28352205</id>
	<title>Re:Seems unlikely</title>
	<author>Red Flayer</author>
	<datestamp>1245184380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Sorry to post two responses, but I forgot another significant issue.<br> <br>A lot of countries require incoming travelers to answer some questions about their health, to help prevent the spread of disease.  Not sure if the country in question is currently doing this, but I suspect they are.<br> <br>So you won't be allowed to board the plane unless you answer "no" when asked if you've had any symptoms of illness.  <br> <br>So the fact that they took a fever-reducer means they knew they were ill; the fact that they answered no to the question means they knew they weren't supposed to travel while ill; so the the conclusion is that they took the antipyretic partly to avoid detection.<br> <br>Assuming, of course, that the country in question requires incoming travelers to answer the questions about illness.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Sorry to post two responses , but I forgot another significant issue .
A lot of countries require incoming travelers to answer some questions about their health , to help prevent the spread of disease .
Not sure if the country in question is currently doing this , but I suspect they are .
So you wo n't be allowed to board the plane unless you answer " no " when asked if you 've had any symptoms of illness .
So the fact that they took a fever-reducer means they knew they were ill ; the fact that they answered no to the question means they knew they were n't supposed to travel while ill ; so the the conclusion is that they took the antipyretic partly to avoid detection .
Assuming , of course , that the country in question requires incoming travelers to answer the questions about illness .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Sorry to post two responses, but I forgot another significant issue.
A lot of countries require incoming travelers to answer some questions about their health, to help prevent the spread of disease.
Not sure if the country in question is currently doing this, but I suspect they are.
So you won't be allowed to board the plane unless you answer "no" when asked if you've had any symptoms of illness.
So the fact that they took a fever-reducer means they knew they were ill; the fact that they answered no to the question means they knew they weren't supposed to travel while ill; so the the conclusion is that they took the antipyretic partly to avoid detection.
Assuming, of course, that the country in question requires incoming travelers to answer the questions about illness.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351407</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351551</id>
	<title>wow</title>
	<author>rand200069</author>
	<datestamp>1245181860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>I thought tylenol, ibuprofen, and the like were pretty commonly used when people get sick.  How is this news, besides the fact that they decided to implement a ridiculous screening process that is easily bypassed?</htmltext>
<tokenext>I thought tylenol , ibuprofen , and the like were pretty commonly used when people get sick .
How is this news , besides the fact that they decided to implement a ridiculous screening process that is easily bypassed ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I thought tylenol, ibuprofen, and the like were pretty commonly used when people get sick.
How is this news, besides the fact that they decided to implement a ridiculous screening process that is easily bypassed?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351483</id>
	<title>Perfectly normal</title>
	<author>aaandre</author>
	<datestamp>1245181620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The scanners were installed so that they can screen people who did not give consent for screening. It is only logical that people with cold symptoms who do not want their time wasted or worse, being prevented from entering the country, take measures to protect *their* investment in tickets, vacation time etc.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The scanners were installed so that they can screen people who did not give consent for screening .
It is only logical that people with cold symptoms who do not want their time wasted or worse , being prevented from entering the country , take measures to protect * their * investment in tickets , vacation time etc .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The scanners were installed so that they can screen people who did not give consent for screening.
It is only logical that people with cold symptoms who do not want their time wasted or worse, being prevented from entering the country, take measures to protect *their* investment in tickets, vacation time etc.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28358911</id>
	<title>I cheated...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245231180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>I travel a lot and had a virus &amp; fever when coming into the US and knowingly dosed on Asprin an hour or so before landing, because:

 - I didn't have time for 7 days quarantine.
 - I knew it wasn't H1N1; and
 - On the very slim chance it was H1N1 - IMHO the disease is a farce. It has the same fatality rate as the normal flu. It is solely to spread fear.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I travel a lot and had a virus &amp; fever when coming into the US and knowingly dosed on Asprin an hour or so before landing , because : - I did n't have time for 7 days quarantine .
- I knew it was n't H1N1 ; and - On the very slim chance it was H1N1 - IMHO the disease is a farce .
It has the same fatality rate as the normal flu .
It is solely to spread fear .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I travel a lot and had a virus &amp; fever when coming into the US and knowingly dosed on Asprin an hour or so before landing, because:

 - I didn't have time for 7 days quarantine.
- I knew it wasn't H1N1; and
 - On the very slim chance it was H1N1 - IMHO the disease is a farce.
It has the same fatality rate as the normal flu.
It is solely to spread fear.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351745</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>interkin3tic</author>
	<datestamp>1245182460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>H1N1 is a bit miffed about it.</p><p>Also the statements by the government quoted in TFA makes it sound a little like the passengers did it intentionally because they knew they were sick and would be detained for 7 days.</p><p>Sounds to me more like justification for making examples out of people who were feeling unwell.  Punishing "cheaters" to send a message goes over much better than punishing "people who took asprin because they didn't feel well, not realizing they had swine flu"</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>H1N1 is a bit miffed about it.Also the statements by the government quoted in TFA makes it sound a little like the passengers did it intentionally because they knew they were sick and would be detained for 7 days.Sounds to me more like justification for making examples out of people who were feeling unwell .
Punishing " cheaters " to send a message goes over much better than punishing " people who took asprin because they did n't feel well , not realizing they had swine flu "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>H1N1 is a bit miffed about it.Also the statements by the government quoted in TFA makes it sound a little like the passengers did it intentionally because they knew they were sick and would be detained for 7 days.Sounds to me more like justification for making examples out of people who were feeling unwell.
Punishing "cheaters" to send a message goes over much better than punishing "people who took asprin because they didn't feel well, not realizing they had swine flu"</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351363</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351599</id>
	<title>Perfect way of detecting people with swine flu</title>
	<author>Andr T.</author>
	<datestamp>1245181980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just take them to an interrogatory room!

</p><p>- So, do you sneeze constantly?
</p><p>- Er... no.
</p><p>- I saw you sneeze before.
</p><p>- I didn't.
</p><p>- But supose you did. Why would you lie about sneezing?
</p><p>- Hm, maybe because I wouldn't want you to know that I have the swine flu and lock me up in here.
</p><p>- So, when did you get the flu then?
</p><p>- I didn't get the flu.
</p><p>- Oh, i see. We've got a smart-ass here!
</p><p>Or, another way of seeing it:
</p><p>1 - Come to the conclusion that a good swine flu detector would be useful.
</p><p>2 - ???
</p><p>3 - Build thousands of swine flu detectors and sell them.
</p><p>4 - Profit!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just take them to an interrogatory room !
- So , do you sneeze constantly ?
- Er... no . - I saw you sneeze before .
- I did n't .
- But supose you did .
Why would you lie about sneezing ?
- Hm , maybe because I would n't want you to know that I have the swine flu and lock me up in here .
- So , when did you get the flu then ?
- I did n't get the flu .
- Oh , i see .
We 've got a smart-ass here !
Or , another way of seeing it : 1 - Come to the conclusion that a good swine flu detector would be useful .
2 - ? ? ?
3 - Build thousands of swine flu detectors and sell them .
4 - Profit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just take them to an interrogatory room!
- So, do you sneeze constantly?
- Er... no.
- I saw you sneeze before.
- I didn't.
- But supose you did.
Why would you lie about sneezing?
- Hm, maybe because I wouldn't want you to know that I have the swine flu and lock me up in here.
- So, when did you get the flu then?
- I didn't get the flu.
- Oh, i see.
We've got a smart-ass here!
Or, another way of seeing it:
1 - Come to the conclusion that a good swine flu detector would be useful.
2 - ???
3 - Build thousands of swine flu detectors and sell them.
4 - Profit!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351411</id>
	<title>This was said before</title>
	<author>Andr T.</author>
	<datestamp>1245181320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Australian scientists had already <a href="http://www.thestar.co.za/index.php?fArticleId=5000342" title="thestar.co.za">pointed that</a> [thestar.co.za].</htmltext>
<tokenext>Australian scientists had already pointed that [ thestar.co.za ] .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Australian scientists had already pointed that [thestar.co.za].</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28354885</id>
	<title>Re:Seems unlikely</title>
	<author>poisoneleven</author>
	<datestamp>1245153180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The problem is that many fever reducers are also used for aches and pains associated with a muscle fatigue caused by exercise. When I'm really sore I'll have a couple Tylenol to ease the pains, I doubt I am not in the minority on this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem is that many fever reducers are also used for aches and pains associated with a muscle fatigue caused by exercise .
When I 'm really sore I 'll have a couple Tylenol to ease the pains , I doubt I am not in the minority on this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The problem is that many fever reducers are also used for aches and pains associated with a muscle fatigue caused by exercise.
When I'm really sore I'll have a couple Tylenol to ease the pains, I doubt I am not in the minority on this.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351547</id>
	<title>I bet running for the plane will get you flagged.</title>
	<author>syousef</author>
	<datestamp>1245181860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This is a misuse of technology and is very much security theatre. You're more likely to prevent the spread of flu by praying to the spaghetti monster. The thing is that people are panicked over this as it has been overhyped by the media. They're willing to put up with any inconvenience as long as they can trade it for a warm (but not too warm or you'll get scanned) safe feeling.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This is a misuse of technology and is very much security theatre .
You 're more likely to prevent the spread of flu by praying to the spaghetti monster .
The thing is that people are panicked over this as it has been overhyped by the media .
They 're willing to put up with any inconvenience as long as they can trade it for a warm ( but not too warm or you 'll get scanned ) safe feeling .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This is a misuse of technology and is very much security theatre.
You're more likely to prevent the spread of flu by praying to the spaghetti monster.
The thing is that people are panicked over this as it has been overhyped by the media.
They're willing to put up with any inconvenience as long as they can trade it for a warm (but not too warm or you'll get scanned) safe feeling.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28358079</id>
	<title>Re:Intent?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245178560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>It IS deliberate cheating. They require you to fill out a questionnaire regarding recent symptoms.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>It IS deliberate cheating .
They require you to fill out a questionnaire regarding recent symptoms .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It IS deliberate cheating.
They require you to fill out a questionnaire regarding recent symptoms.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351415</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28353855</id>
	<title>Re:I bet running for the plane will get you flagge</title>
	<author>Red Flayer</author>
	<datestamp>1245147600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>1) There was suddenly a spring flu that was both out of season and relatively mild (what we have now, and H1N1 appears to also be related to that earlier strain)
<br> <br>
2) By the time of the Fall and the "usual" flu season, the strain from early spring had mutated dramatically making it extremely deadly (as these things go, killing 10-20\% of those infected vs. the usual 0.1\%). An estimated 500K-600K died in the U.S. (just to give an idea of scope).</p></div></blockquote><p>Yes... but... people who had survived the mild first version of the 1918 flu were immune to the nasty later waves; it acted like an attenuated vaccine.<br> <br>So maybe the best personal strategy (assuming no other complicating illnesses) would be to deliberately get infected with the mild version.  Of course, that's assuming access to the vaccine will be limited.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>1 ) There was suddenly a spring flu that was both out of season and relatively mild ( what we have now , and H1N1 appears to also be related to that earlier strain ) 2 ) By the time of the Fall and the " usual " flu season , the strain from early spring had mutated dramatically making it extremely deadly ( as these things go , killing 10-20 \ % of those infected vs. the usual 0.1 \ % ) .
An estimated 500K-600K died in the U.S. ( just to give an idea of scope ) .Yes... but... people who had survived the mild first version of the 1918 flu were immune to the nasty later waves ; it acted like an attenuated vaccine .
So maybe the best personal strategy ( assuming no other complicating illnesses ) would be to deliberately get infected with the mild version .
Of course , that 's assuming access to the vaccine will be limited .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>1) There was suddenly a spring flu that was both out of season and relatively mild (what we have now, and H1N1 appears to also be related to that earlier strain)
 
2) By the time of the Fall and the "usual" flu season, the strain from early spring had mutated dramatically making it extremely deadly (as these things go, killing 10-20\% of those infected vs. the usual 0.1\%).
An estimated 500K-600K died in the U.S. (just to give an idea of scope).Yes... but... people who had survived the mild first version of the 1918 flu were immune to the nasty later waves; it acted like an attenuated vaccine.
So maybe the best personal strategy (assuming no other complicating illnesses) would be to deliberately get infected with the mild version.
Of course, that's assuming access to the vaccine will be limited.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28352105</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28352141</id>
	<title>They didn't CHEAT</title>
	<author>maclizard</author>
	<datestamp>1245184200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I find it a little bit offensive that this article refers to the patrons as cheaters rather than referring to the organization that implemented this technology as short-sighted.  If I have a fever, I take a fever reducer to, well, REDUCE my fever.  It's not cheating, its common sense.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I find it a little bit offensive that this article refers to the patrons as cheaters rather than referring to the organization that implemented this technology as short-sighted .
If I have a fever , I take a fever reducer to , well , REDUCE my fever .
It 's not cheating , its common sense .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I find it a little bit offensive that this article refers to the patrons as cheaters rather than referring to the organization that implemented this technology as short-sighted.
If I have a fever, I take a fever reducer to, well, REDUCE my fever.
It's not cheating, its common sense.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28361945</id>
	<title>trust us</title>
	<author>PMuse</author>
	<datestamp>1245255720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Many sick passengers who flew to Ho Chi Minh City in southern Vietnam took fever reducers to cheat temperature scanners at the airport, leading to the discovery of several infected cases later, <b>state media reported</b> at the weekend.</p></div><p>The public must understand that our security measures are not completely ineffective, subject to false positives, subject to false negatives, and a sham intended to make the public think we are "doing something" and "keeping them safe".  Rather, the fault lies with those terrorists who are deliberately attempting to endanger the public with their aspirin-taking.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Many sick passengers who flew to Ho Chi Minh City in southern Vietnam took fever reducers to cheat temperature scanners at the airport , leading to the discovery of several infected cases later , state media reported at the weekend.The public must understand that our security measures are not completely ineffective , subject to false positives , subject to false negatives , and a sham intended to make the public think we are " doing something " and " keeping them safe " .
Rather , the fault lies with those terrorists who are deliberately attempting to endanger the public with their aspirin-taking .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Many sick passengers who flew to Ho Chi Minh City in southern Vietnam took fever reducers to cheat temperature scanners at the airport, leading to the discovery of several infected cases later, state media reported at the weekend.The public must understand that our security measures are not completely ineffective, subject to false positives, subject to false negatives, and a sham intended to make the public think we are "doing something" and "keeping them safe".
Rather, the fault lies with those terrorists who are deliberately attempting to endanger the public with their aspirin-taking.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351963</id>
	<title>quarantine doesn't cut it anyways....</title>
	<author>kaplong!</author>
	<datestamp>1245183420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...and was therefore dropped by e.g. Hongkong as a response to the swine flu 'pandemic'. While we were there in May they changed their policy from quarantine to supervised medication once a day. Would have sucked to get stuck there for a whole week just because of elevated facial temperature - whether it's caused by H1N1, or 'normal' flu, or just because you're lugging heavy bags around after dehydrating for 12 hours in some damn' UA airplane with smelly watertanks.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...and was therefore dropped by e.g .
Hongkong as a response to the swine flu 'pandemic' .
While we were there in May they changed their policy from quarantine to supervised medication once a day .
Would have sucked to get stuck there for a whole week just because of elevated facial temperature - whether it 's caused by H1N1 , or 'normal ' flu , or just because you 're lugging heavy bags around after dehydrating for 12 hours in some damn ' UA airplane with smelly watertanks .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and was therefore dropped by e.g.
Hongkong as a response to the swine flu 'pandemic'.
While we were there in May they changed their policy from quarantine to supervised medication once a day.
Would have sucked to get stuck there for a whole week just because of elevated facial temperature - whether it's caused by H1N1, or 'normal' flu, or just because you're lugging heavy bags around after dehydrating for 12 hours in some damn' UA airplane with smelly watertanks.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28352193</id>
	<title>Are the procedures any good?</title>
	<author>glgraca</author>
	<datestamp>1245184380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wonder if these procedures aren't really helping spread the disease faster.</p><p>In Argentina, at EZE, my whole flight was squeezed into a very small (and hot!) space and then they let us out one by one as we passed in front of the scanner and were checked by grumpy old doctors.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I wonder if these procedures are n't really helping spread the disease faster.In Argentina , at EZE , my whole flight was squeezed into a very small ( and hot !
) space and then they let us out one by one as we passed in front of the scanner and were checked by grumpy old doctors .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wonder if these procedures aren't really helping spread the disease faster.In Argentina, at EZE, my whole flight was squeezed into a very small (and hot!
) space and then they let us out one by one as we passed in front of the scanner and were checked by grumpy old doctors.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28354091</id>
	<title>Re:Pointless</title>
	<author>The Archon V2.0</author>
	<datestamp>1245148680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>So this vaunted "flu-scanner" can be fooled simply by <em>taking Tylenol</em>?  Are you serious?  Shouldn't it be assumed that anyone who is running a fever will most likely be <em>taking fever-reducing medications</em>?</p></div><p>It should be. But when people get nervous, they get stupid and they stop asking questions. Will magic box make everything better? Let's buy magic box! Doesn't matter if it's a box of rocks with "majik" painted on the side, this nice man says it will protect us from terrorists/swine flu/birth defects/CNN's breaking story of the day/angst! Buy the magic box!</p><p><div class="quote"><p>Tell me again what the point of this scanner is?</p></div><p>Profiteering?</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>So this vaunted " flu-scanner " can be fooled simply by taking Tylenol ?
Are you serious ?
Should n't it be assumed that anyone who is running a fever will most likely be taking fever-reducing medications ? It should be .
But when people get nervous , they get stupid and they stop asking questions .
Will magic box make everything better ?
Let 's buy magic box !
Does n't matter if it 's a box of rocks with " majik " painted on the side , this nice man says it will protect us from terrorists/swine flu/birth defects/CNN 's breaking story of the day/angst !
Buy the magic box ! Tell me again what the point of this scanner is ? Profiteering ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So this vaunted "flu-scanner" can be fooled simply by taking Tylenol?
Are you serious?
Shouldn't it be assumed that anyone who is running a fever will most likely be taking fever-reducing medications?It should be.
But when people get nervous, they get stupid and they stop asking questions.
Will magic box make everything better?
Let's buy magic box!
Doesn't matter if it's a box of rocks with "majik" painted on the side, this nice man says it will protect us from terrorists/swine flu/birth defects/CNN's breaking story of the day/angst!
Buy the magic box!Tell me again what the point of this scanner is?Profiteering?
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351635</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351789</id>
	<title>So doing something to my own body is CHEATING?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245182580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So let me get this straight.  I take something to change my body temperature and I'm now being called a CHEATER?   When did I cede control over my body to the government?  I don't recall being convicted of any crime.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So let me get this straight .
I take something to change my body temperature and I 'm now being called a CHEATER ?
When did I cede control over my body to the government ?
I do n't recall being convicted of any crime .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So let me get this straight.
I take something to change my body temperature and I'm now being called a CHEATER?
When did I cede control over my body to the government?
I don't recall being convicted of any crime.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351433</id>
	<title>Typical.</title>
	<author>Aphoxema</author>
	<datestamp>1245181440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Those bastards, trying to keep their proteins from denaturing! Hang them, hang them high!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Those bastards , trying to keep their proteins from denaturing !
Hang them , hang them high !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those bastards, trying to keep their proteins from denaturing!
Hang them, hang them high!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28352113</id>
	<title>Whoa, Momma!</title>
	<author>DirkGently</author>
	<datestamp>1245184080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>That chick in the scan? She's *hot*. Just look at the signatures on her!</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>That chick in the scan ?
She 's * hot * .
Just look at the signatures on her !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>That chick in the scan?
She's *hot*.
Just look at the signatures on her!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351949</id>
	<title>Re:So doing something to my own body is CHEATING?</title>
	<author>Attila Dimedici</author>
	<datestamp>1245183300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>When you decided to live in/visit Vietnam.</htmltext>
<tokenext>When you decided to live in/visit Vietnam .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>When you decided to live in/visit Vietnam.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351789</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28353391</id>
	<title>Re:What were they thinking!!!</title>
	<author>Omestes</author>
	<datestamp>1245145800000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>If they took asprin to consciously break another countries laws; I agree.  Get'em.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>If they took asprin to consciously break another countries laws ; I agree .
Get'em .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>If they took asprin to consciously break another countries laws; I agree.
Get'em.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351579</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28352013</id>
	<title>Re:So doing something to my own body is CHEATING?</title>
	<author>gmuslera</author>
	<datestamp>1245183600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Well... if you put it that way, if you take some "medicines" like steroids to i.e. change your body mass close to an olimpic competition, is called cheating, usually.<br><br>Probably the biggest problem wasnt that people took aspirines because they knew they were sick (in a situation where a pandemic is spreading, and you could be carrier, some people could put the criminal negligence label), but what about people that usually takes aspirines because headache or other minor things?</htmltext>
<tokenext>Well... if you put it that way , if you take some " medicines " like steroids to i.e .
change your body mass close to an olimpic competition , is called cheating , usually.Probably the biggest problem wasnt that people took aspirines because they knew they were sick ( in a situation where a pandemic is spreading , and you could be carrier , some people could put the criminal negligence label ) , but what about people that usually takes aspirines because headache or other minor things ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well... if you put it that way, if you take some "medicines" like steroids to i.e.
change your body mass close to an olimpic competition, is called cheating, usually.Probably the biggest problem wasnt that people took aspirines because they knew they were sick (in a situation where a pandemic is spreading, and you could be carrier, some people could put the criminal negligence label), but what about people that usually takes aspirines because headache or other minor things?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351789</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28356531</id>
	<title>Re:Perfectly normal</title>
	<author>gujo-odori</author>
	<datestamp>1245163260000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While they may not have given consent to be screened, they didn't have to. In most countries (all?), you don't have the right to not be screened at immigration in pretty much whatever way they see fit. I used to live in Viet Nam, and that's certainly the case there. If, upon entering the country, I were to be asked to undergo some form of secondary screening and were to refuse, my options would be:</p><p>1) To be arrested</p><p>2) To be detained and be put back on a plane leaving the country</p><p>3) To be detained until I changed my mind about screening</p><p>4) To be detained and screened whether I liked it or not. Then, the possibility of being arrested or deported rather than allowed to enter the country as planned.</p><p>Keep in mind that the immigration authorities of *any* country don't have to let anyone in if they don't want to. Even if you show up with a visa in your passport, that means nothing. It's just permission from a consulate or embassy abroad for you to be given a visa when you arrive, but the *real* visa is what the person at the immigration desk stamps in your passport. And they pretty much have the right to refuse to let you in for any reason or for none. This is true even in western democracies. The immigration authorities have the legal right to not let you in if they don't want to, and in many places they also have the legal right to screen you in pretty much any way they want. Even if the legal right is unclear, the practical fact is that they have the power to do so, regardless of what the law may or may not say.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While they may not have given consent to be screened , they did n't have to .
In most countries ( all ?
) , you do n't have the right to not be screened at immigration in pretty much whatever way they see fit .
I used to live in Viet Nam , and that 's certainly the case there .
If , upon entering the country , I were to be asked to undergo some form of secondary screening and were to refuse , my options would be : 1 ) To be arrested2 ) To be detained and be put back on a plane leaving the country3 ) To be detained until I changed my mind about screening4 ) To be detained and screened whether I liked it or not .
Then , the possibility of being arrested or deported rather than allowed to enter the country as planned.Keep in mind that the immigration authorities of * any * country do n't have to let anyone in if they do n't want to .
Even if you show up with a visa in your passport , that means nothing .
It 's just permission from a consulate or embassy abroad for you to be given a visa when you arrive , but the * real * visa is what the person at the immigration desk stamps in your passport .
And they pretty much have the right to refuse to let you in for any reason or for none .
This is true even in western democracies .
The immigration authorities have the legal right to not let you in if they do n't want to , and in many places they also have the legal right to screen you in pretty much any way they want .
Even if the legal right is unclear , the practical fact is that they have the power to do so , regardless of what the law may or may not say .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While they may not have given consent to be screened, they didn't have to.
In most countries (all?
), you don't have the right to not be screened at immigration in pretty much whatever way they see fit.
I used to live in Viet Nam, and that's certainly the case there.
If, upon entering the country, I were to be asked to undergo some form of secondary screening and were to refuse, my options would be:1) To be arrested2) To be detained and be put back on a plane leaving the country3) To be detained until I changed my mind about screening4) To be detained and screened whether I liked it or not.
Then, the possibility of being arrested or deported rather than allowed to enter the country as planned.Keep in mind that the immigration authorities of *any* country don't have to let anyone in if they don't want to.
Even if you show up with a visa in your passport, that means nothing.
It's just permission from a consulate or embassy abroad for you to be given a visa when you arrive, but the *real* visa is what the person at the immigration desk stamps in your passport.
And they pretty much have the right to refuse to let you in for any reason or for none.
This is true even in western democracies.
The immigration authorities have the legal right to not let you in if they don't want to, and in many places they also have the legal right to screen you in pretty much any way they want.
Even if the legal right is unclear, the practical fact is that they have the power to do so, regardless of what the law may or may not say.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351483</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28358331</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing but face-saving</title>
	<author>deboli</author>
	<datestamp>1245181320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Maybe, but then there was SARS and isolation of sick people and scanners and travel restrictions prevented the disease from becoming a pandemic. I was in Hong Kong during that time and wearing masks all day was no fun. If maybe the USA would have undertaken a few more drastic measures right at the beginning we would not have a swine flue pandemic now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Maybe , but then there was SARS and isolation of sick people and scanners and travel restrictions prevented the disease from becoming a pandemic .
I was in Hong Kong during that time and wearing masks all day was no fun .
If maybe the USA would have undertaken a few more drastic measures right at the beginning we would not have a swine flue pandemic now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Maybe, but then there was SARS and isolation of sick people and scanners and travel restrictions prevented the disease from becoming a pandemic.
I was in Hong Kong during that time and wearing masks all day was no fun.
If maybe the USA would have undertaken a few more drastic measures right at the beginning we would not have a swine flue pandemic now.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28352029</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28356943</id>
	<title>Re: I changed my travel plans</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245166320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I wasn't feeling well the day before some scheduled travel (sinus issue, bad cold).  I called the airline and asked what I'd be in for.  They said, given how I sounded, a week of quarantine as the best case, PLUS passengers seated around me would hate me because they'd likely be quarantined as well.  I said OK, then, speaking of karma, what will you do for me as far as a break on fees for changing my flight in order to avoid passengers remembering that they were quarantined after a flight on airline X?  Answer:  nada.</p><p>It ended up costing me SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS to delay my travel, which was about $50 less than buying a whole new ticket, but I figured that this was better than getting stuck during the quarantine process near other passengers who were sick who might actually HAVE the H1N1 thing, and then getting it.  Besides, thought I, did I really want this conference trip to be commemorated with news articles about how yet another (always) unnamed passenger showed symptoms that resulted in several dozen others being quarantined?  No, not really.</p><p>As another poster pointed out, economics right now are vastly favoring decisions that are at odds with limiting the spread of H1N1.  I'd suggest that the US start kicking in $$ toward ticket change fees, but we all know that the country will already be in debt for the next 100 years and I don't want to personally contribute to making it 101 years.  Besides, I think statistics are showing it's a bit too late for containment.  Would've possibly worked very early on, but today all it's doing is slowing the spread.</p><p>And BTW, the area to which I'd have been travelling already has multiple reported cases and school closures, so it's not like I'd have been introducing something that wasn't already there, even if I did have it.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was n't feeling well the day before some scheduled travel ( sinus issue , bad cold ) .
I called the airline and asked what I 'd be in for .
They said , given how I sounded , a week of quarantine as the best case , PLUS passengers seated around me would hate me because they 'd likely be quarantined as well .
I said OK , then , speaking of karma , what will you do for me as far as a break on fees for changing my flight in order to avoid passengers remembering that they were quarantined after a flight on airline X ?
Answer : nada.It ended up costing me SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS to delay my travel , which was about $ 50 less than buying a whole new ticket , but I figured that this was better than getting stuck during the quarantine process near other passengers who were sick who might actually HAVE the H1N1 thing , and then getting it .
Besides , thought I , did I really want this conference trip to be commemorated with news articles about how yet another ( always ) unnamed passenger showed symptoms that resulted in several dozen others being quarantined ?
No , not really.As another poster pointed out , economics right now are vastly favoring decisions that are at odds with limiting the spread of H1N1 .
I 'd suggest that the US start kicking in $ $ toward ticket change fees , but we all know that the country will already be in debt for the next 100 years and I do n't want to personally contribute to making it 101 years .
Besides , I think statistics are showing it 's a bit too late for containment .
Would 've possibly worked very early on , but today all it 's doing is slowing the spread.And BTW , the area to which I 'd have been travelling already has multiple reported cases and school closures , so it 's not like I 'd have been introducing something that was n't already there , even if I did have it .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I wasn't feeling well the day before some scheduled travel (sinus issue, bad cold).
I called the airline and asked what I'd be in for.
They said, given how I sounded, a week of quarantine as the best case, PLUS passengers seated around me would hate me because they'd likely be quarantined as well.
I said OK, then, speaking of karma, what will you do for me as far as a break on fees for changing my flight in order to avoid passengers remembering that they were quarantined after a flight on airline X?
Answer:  nada.It ended up costing me SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS to delay my travel, which was about $50 less than buying a whole new ticket, but I figured that this was better than getting stuck during the quarantine process near other passengers who were sick who might actually HAVE the H1N1 thing, and then getting it.
Besides, thought I, did I really want this conference trip to be commemorated with news articles about how yet another (always) unnamed passenger showed symptoms that resulted in several dozen others being quarantined?
No, not really.As another poster pointed out, economics right now are vastly favoring decisions that are at odds with limiting the spread of H1N1.
I'd suggest that the US start kicking in $$ toward ticket change fees, but we all know that the country will already be in debt for the next 100 years and I don't want to personally contribute to making it 101 years.
Besides, I think statistics are showing it's a bit too late for containment.
Would've possibly worked very early on, but today all it's doing is slowing the spread.And BTW, the area to which I'd have been travelling already has multiple reported cases and school closures, so it's not like I'd have been introducing something that wasn't already there, even if I did have it.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28355699</id>
	<title>lol paranoia</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245157680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>pfff paranoia, more paranoia... wonderful!<br>not to mention some people have fever without being infected<br>and some people are infected and dont have a fever<br>simple medicine for simple minds ? the media is great at that and sadly more and more doctors too...</p><p>PS: id hate to shock people but the human body is swarming with bacteria and so is everything on this planet (and probably others)..."infected" is a term for when said bacteria/virus/fungi are too strong for your body to contain and they start destroying body cells... technically one is infected all the time...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>pfff paranoia , more paranoia... wonderful ! not to mention some people have fever without being infectedand some people are infected and dont have a feversimple medicine for simple minds ?
the media is great at that and sadly more and more doctors too...PS : id hate to shock people but the human body is swarming with bacteria and so is everything on this planet ( and probably others ) ... " infected " is a term for when said bacteria/virus/fungi are too strong for your body to contain and they start destroying body cells... technically one is infected all the time.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>pfff paranoia, more paranoia... wonderful!not to mention some people have fever without being infectedand some people are infected and dont have a feversimple medicine for simple minds ?
the media is great at that and sadly more and more doctors too...PS: id hate to shock people but the human body is swarming with bacteria and so is everything on this planet (and probably others)..."infected" is a term for when said bacteria/virus/fungi are too strong for your body to contain and they start destroying body cells... technically one is infected all the time...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28352457</id>
	<title>alarmist article brought you by temp scan corps</title>
	<author>Dan667</author>
	<datestamp>1245185280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>We have been trying to sell these dang temperature scanners for months, but now we have a new marketing strategy to move them like hot cakes.  We will accuse sick people using medicine of trying fool health officials to diabolically spread pandemic viruses and get the public to panic.  Then we will be sitting pretty on all the new orders.  Profit!</htmltext>
<tokenext>We have been trying to sell these dang temperature scanners for months , but now we have a new marketing strategy to move them like hot cakes .
We will accuse sick people using medicine of trying fool health officials to diabolically spread pandemic viruses and get the public to panic .
Then we will be sitting pretty on all the new orders .
Profit !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have been trying to sell these dang temperature scanners for months, but now we have a new marketing strategy to move them like hot cakes.
We will accuse sick people using medicine of trying fool health officials to diabolically spread pandemic viruses and get the public to panic.
Then we will be sitting pretty on all the new orders.
Profit!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28352105</id>
	<title>Re:I bet running for the plane will get you flagge</title>
	<author>powerlord</author>
	<datestamp>1245184020000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While I certainly believe tat the media has over-hyped H1N1, you have to also remember where the Scientific community's concern is.</p><p>The way it went with "the flu" that we keep hearing about in the '20s is that.</p><p>1) There was suddenly a spring flu that was both out of season and relatively mild (what we have now, and H1N1 appears to also be related to that earlier strain)</p><p>2) By the time of the Fall and the "usual" flu season, the strain from early spring had mutated dramatically making it extremely deadly (as these things go, killing 10-20\% of those infected vs. the usual 0.1\%).  An estimated 500K-600K died in the U.S. (just to give an idea of scope).</p><p>Now, #2 MIGHT still happen, and its what those in the Infectious Disease community are afraid of, but you're right, the current version of H1N1 is relatively benign and overhyped by the media<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... so far.</p><p>(<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918\_flu\_pandemic" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918\_flu\_pandemic</a> [wikipedia.org])</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While I certainly believe tat the media has over-hyped H1N1 , you have to also remember where the Scientific community 's concern is.The way it went with " the flu " that we keep hearing about in the '20s is that.1 ) There was suddenly a spring flu that was both out of season and relatively mild ( what we have now , and H1N1 appears to also be related to that earlier strain ) 2 ) By the time of the Fall and the " usual " flu season , the strain from early spring had mutated dramatically making it extremely deadly ( as these things go , killing 10-20 \ % of those infected vs. the usual 0.1 \ % ) .
An estimated 500K-600K died in the U.S. ( just to give an idea of scope ) .Now , # 2 MIGHT still happen , and its what those in the Infectious Disease community are afraid of , but you 're right , the current version of H1N1 is relatively benign and overhyped by the media ... so far .
( http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918 \ _flu \ _pandemic [ wikipedia.org ] )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While I certainly believe tat the media has over-hyped H1N1, you have to also remember where the Scientific community's concern is.The way it went with "the flu" that we keep hearing about in the '20s is that.1) There was suddenly a spring flu that was both out of season and relatively mild (what we have now, and H1N1 appears to also be related to that earlier strain)2) By the time of the Fall and the "usual" flu season, the strain from early spring had mutated dramatically making it extremely deadly (as these things go, killing 10-20\% of those infected vs. the usual 0.1\%).
An estimated 500K-600K died in the U.S. (just to give an idea of scope).Now, #2 MIGHT still happen, and its what those in the Infectious Disease community are afraid of, but you're right, the current version of H1N1 is relatively benign and overhyped by the media ... so far.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918\_flu\_pandemic [wikipedia.org])</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351547</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28353827</id>
	<title>I've done it</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245147480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Not for H1N1 but just for a milder flu, I took acetaminophen in mainland China(Guangdong) to get pass the checkpoint at the Hong Kong border. I had a flight leaving out of Hong Kong soon and wanted to get the hell out of China (I don't like it there).</p><p>The scanned me with a simple temp probe, check my passport and let me pass. Being held for observation at some random security check point in a strange country(to me) would have really sucked, especially given that I was not feeling well at all.</p><p>I likely spread my illness for 3 days before I even felt sick. So those checkpoints are not effective enough to matter, in my opinion.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Not for H1N1 but just for a milder flu , I took acetaminophen in mainland China ( Guangdong ) to get pass the checkpoint at the Hong Kong border .
I had a flight leaving out of Hong Kong soon and wanted to get the hell out of China ( I do n't like it there ) .The scanned me with a simple temp probe , check my passport and let me pass .
Being held for observation at some random security check point in a strange country ( to me ) would have really sucked , especially given that I was not feeling well at all.I likely spread my illness for 3 days before I even felt sick .
So those checkpoints are not effective enough to matter , in my opinion .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Not for H1N1 but just for a milder flu, I took acetaminophen in mainland China(Guangdong) to get pass the checkpoint at the Hong Kong border.
I had a flight leaving out of Hong Kong soon and wanted to get the hell out of China (I don't like it there).The scanned me with a simple temp probe, check my passport and let me pass.
Being held for observation at some random security check point in a strange country(to me) would have really sucked, especially given that I was not feeling well at all.I likely spread my illness for 3 days before I even felt sick.
So those checkpoints are not effective enough to matter, in my opinion.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28356383</id>
	<title>Re:Seems unlikely</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245162360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Definitely. Maybe sufferers didn't know they had swine flu. Maybe they took fever reducers because they don't like having fevers, not out of some malicious attempt to sneak past security and infect other people.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Definitely .
Maybe sufferers did n't know they had swine flu .
Maybe they took fever reducers because they do n't like having fevers , not out of some malicious attempt to sneak past security and infect other people .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Definitely.
Maybe sufferers didn't know they had swine flu.
Maybe they took fever reducers because they don't like having fevers, not out of some malicious attempt to sneak past security and infect other people.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351407</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28353939</id>
	<title>I wonder what they would make of me</title>
	<author>plopez</author>
	<datestamp>1245148140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>My body temperature has been about 1 deg. F below the average 98.6 degree F for years now. Every time I go in for a check up it is consistently low. I hope they don't scan me start screaming "Zombie outbreak!" and shoot me in the head<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>My body temperature has been about 1 deg .
F below the average 98.6 degree F for years now .
Every time I go in for a check up it is consistently low .
I hope they do n't scan me start screaming " Zombie outbreak !
" and shoot me in the head : )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My body temperature has been about 1 deg.
F below the average 98.6 degree F for years now.
Every time I go in for a check up it is consistently low.
I hope they don't scan me start screaming "Zombie outbreak!
" and shoot me in the head :)</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28356521</id>
	<title>Re:Intent?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245163200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Cause they don't... Airports do,.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Cause they do n't... Airports do, .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Cause they don't... Airports do,.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351415</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351407</id>
	<title>Seems unlikely</title>
	<author>moderatorrater</author>
	<datestamp>1245181320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>It seems unlikely that they took the fever reducers strictly as a means of fooling the scanners. Common flu signs include aches and pains, and most of the pain relievers also reduce fevers.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It seems unlikely that they took the fever reducers strictly as a means of fooling the scanners .
Common flu signs include aches and pains , and most of the pain relievers also reduce fevers .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It seems unlikely that they took the fever reducers strictly as a means of fooling the scanners.
Common flu signs include aches and pains, and most of the pain relievers also reduce fevers.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351443</id>
	<title>wow...just wow</title>
	<author>pak9rabid</author>
	<datestamp>1245181440000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Wow, this is fucked for multiple reasons:<ol>
<li>Why was the possibility of people taking OTC fever reducers not taken into account when designing this retarded ass H1N1 "detection" system</li><li>So having a fever automatically implies you're infected with H1N1</li></ol></htmltext>
<tokenext>Wow , this is fucked for multiple reasons : Why was the possibility of people taking OTC fever reducers not taken into account when designing this retarded ass H1N1 " detection " systemSo having a fever automatically implies you 're infected with H1N1</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Wow, this is fucked for multiple reasons:
Why was the possibility of people taking OTC fever reducers not taken into account when designing this retarded ass H1N1 "detection" systemSo having a fever automatically implies you're infected with H1N1</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351579</id>
	<title>What were they thinking!!!</title>
	<author>djdbass</author>
	<datestamp>1245181920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>Those SOB's took asprin when they had a fever! Get 'em!!!</htmltext>
<tokenext>Those SOB 's took asprin when they had a fever !
Get 'em ! !
!</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Those SOB's took asprin when they had a fever!
Get 'em!!
!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28353489</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245146160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Point defenses for flu are, well, pointless.</p><p>The combination of economics factors, physiological differences and incubation times will always render any attempt at quarantine worthless.</p><p>All it takes is one person who usually has a normal body temperature 2 degrees lower than standard to be running a 2 degree fever during incubation stage, and your scanner is worthless.  This is WITHOUT cheating.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Point defenses for flu are , well , pointless.The combination of economics factors , physiological differences and incubation times will always render any attempt at quarantine worthless.All it takes is one person who usually has a normal body temperature 2 degrees lower than standard to be running a 2 degree fever during incubation stage , and your scanner is worthless .
This is WITHOUT cheating .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Point defenses for flu are, well, pointless.The combination of economics factors, physiological differences and incubation times will always render any attempt at quarantine worthless.All it takes is one person who usually has a normal body temperature 2 degrees lower than standard to be running a 2 degree fever during incubation stage, and your scanner is worthless.
This is WITHOUT cheating.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28357467</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>mysidia</author>
	<datestamp>1245171120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Indeed.  If matters were really serious, they would say <b>no human passengers</b>, or  <b>all human passengers coming in quarantined for 7 days</b>,  regardless of whether there was any suspicion of infection.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Indeed .
If matters were really serious , they would say no human passengers , or all human passengers coming in quarantined for 7 days , regardless of whether there was any suspicion of infection .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Indeed.
If matters were really serious, they would say no human passengers, or  all human passengers coming in quarantined for 7 days,  regardless of whether there was any suspicion of infection.
</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28356343</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28357687</id>
	<title>Re:And now...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245174000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>i agree. i find this one of the stupidest machines out there to detect sickness. Thermal scanners for virus, haha. It shows whos in heat, something good for the guys....</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>i agree .
i find this one of the stupidest machines out there to detect sickness .
Thermal scanners for virus , haha .
It shows whos in heat , something good for the guys... .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>i agree.
i find this one of the stupidest machines out there to detect sickness.
Thermal scanners for virus, haha.
It shows whos in heat, something good for the guys....</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351463</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351635</id>
	<title>Pointless</title>
	<author>Logical Zebra</author>
	<datestamp>1245182100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So this vaunted "flu-scanner" can be fooled simply by <em>taking Tylenol</em>?  Are you serious?  Shouldn't it be assumed that anyone who is running a fever will most likely be <em>taking fever-reducing medications</em>?</p><p>Tell me again what the point of this scanner is?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So this vaunted " flu-scanner " can be fooled simply by taking Tylenol ?
Are you serious ?
Should n't it be assumed that anyone who is running a fever will most likely be taking fever-reducing medications ? Tell me again what the point of this scanner is ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So this vaunted "flu-scanner" can be fooled simply by taking Tylenol?
Are you serious?
Shouldn't it be assumed that anyone who is running a fever will most likely be taking fever-reducing medications?Tell me again what the point of this scanner is?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351463</id>
	<title>And now...</title>
	<author>Andr T.</author>
	<datestamp>1245181560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...can someone lend me that cool (but useless) thermal scanner so I can watch that hot girl that lives next door? That would be definitely useful.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...can someone lend me that cool ( but useless ) thermal scanner so I can watch that hot girl that lives next door ?
That would be definitely useful .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...can someone lend me that cool (but useless) thermal scanner so I can watch that hot girl that lives next door?
That would be definitely useful.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28362509</id>
	<title>Re:Nothing but face-saving</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245258540000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Almost right, just have to fix one thing:</p><p><div class="quote"><p>OK, you people have to figure out how things work under a government.</p></div><p>Seriously there wasn't a single part of that explanation that was unique to a commie government. It was appropriate for any bureaucracy.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Almost right , just have to fix one thing : OK , you people have to figure out how things work under a government.Seriously there was n't a single part of that explanation that was unique to a commie government .
It was appropriate for any bureaucracy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Almost right, just have to fix one thing:OK, you people have to figure out how things work under a government.Seriously there wasn't a single part of that explanation that was unique to a commie government.
It was appropriate for any bureaucracy.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28352029</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28355417</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>Fluffeh</author>
	<datestamp>1245156000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>I just spent six weeks traveling through Europe. Yes, I currently have a bit of a cough. I came in and it seems that my temperature was well within the limits as there were no issues with me coming into Australia.<br> <br>

The culmination of my trip was a wedding in Northern Ireland. During the wedding, there was a Caylie (Spelling?) band and the reception hall was soon filled with loads of couples spinning and dancing away merrily. Now, as I was wearing a morning suit at the time, I got bloody hot bloody quickly. Ducking outside (Cold Irish night time) cooled me off quick smart. After a few moments, I went back inside. Rinse and repeat a couple of times. Result? Runny nose and cough in the morning, and a tickle in my throat since then.<br> <br>

While I haven't bothered to take anything for it (I have just had a cough for about a week now, nothing else), the article seems to point that if I took some aspirin for what I thought was a cold, and somehow managed to sneak a case of swine flu into the country on my returning flight, I would be some kind of cheater monster evildoer. People take remedies when they feel bad. Get used to it. I dare say that there isn't a single person that doesn't catch swine flu that doesn't start off thinking that it's a normal cold or a nasty one.<br> <br>

<b>If the only measure for tracking sick people entering a country relies on them NOT taking common medication for COMMON SYMPTOMS then the bloody tracking should be the point of the article, not the few people that did what everyone does when they get sick and then "smuggled" themselves into a country.</b> <br> <br>

*Cranky mode off*</htmltext>
<tokenext>I just spent six weeks traveling through Europe .
Yes , I currently have a bit of a cough .
I came in and it seems that my temperature was well within the limits as there were no issues with me coming into Australia .
The culmination of my trip was a wedding in Northern Ireland .
During the wedding , there was a Caylie ( Spelling ?
) band and the reception hall was soon filled with loads of couples spinning and dancing away merrily .
Now , as I was wearing a morning suit at the time , I got bloody hot bloody quickly .
Ducking outside ( Cold Irish night time ) cooled me off quick smart .
After a few moments , I went back inside .
Rinse and repeat a couple of times .
Result ? Runny nose and cough in the morning , and a tickle in my throat since then .
While I have n't bothered to take anything for it ( I have just had a cough for about a week now , nothing else ) , the article seems to point that if I took some aspirin for what I thought was a cold , and somehow managed to sneak a case of swine flu into the country on my returning flight , I would be some kind of cheater monster evildoer .
People take remedies when they feel bad .
Get used to it .
I dare say that there is n't a single person that does n't catch swine flu that does n't start off thinking that it 's a normal cold or a nasty one .
If the only measure for tracking sick people entering a country relies on them NOT taking common medication for COMMON SYMPTOMS then the bloody tracking should be the point of the article , not the few people that did what everyone does when they get sick and then " smuggled " themselves into a country .
* Cranky mode off *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I just spent six weeks traveling through Europe.
Yes, I currently have a bit of a cough.
I came in and it seems that my temperature was well within the limits as there were no issues with me coming into Australia.
The culmination of my trip was a wedding in Northern Ireland.
During the wedding, there was a Caylie (Spelling?
) band and the reception hall was soon filled with loads of couples spinning and dancing away merrily.
Now, as I was wearing a morning suit at the time, I got bloody hot bloody quickly.
Ducking outside (Cold Irish night time) cooled me off quick smart.
After a few moments, I went back inside.
Rinse and repeat a couple of times.
Result? Runny nose and cough in the morning, and a tickle in my throat since then.
While I haven't bothered to take anything for it (I have just had a cough for about a week now, nothing else), the article seems to point that if I took some aspirin for what I thought was a cold, and somehow managed to sneak a case of swine flu into the country on my returning flight, I would be some kind of cheater monster evildoer.
People take remedies when they feel bad.
Get used to it.
I dare say that there isn't a single person that doesn't catch swine flu that doesn't start off thinking that it's a normal cold or a nasty one.
If the only measure for tracking sick people entering a country relies on them NOT taking common medication for COMMON SYMPTOMS then the bloody tracking should be the point of the article, not the few people that did what everyone does when they get sick and then "smuggled" themselves into a country.
*Cranky mode off*</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351745</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28356417</id>
	<title>Catch swine flu?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245162600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I like the point of view of this swine flu article, makes some sense. - <a href="http://moustachio.novahost.org/?p=8" title="novahost.org" rel="nofollow">http://moustachio.novahost.org/?p=8</a> [novahost.org]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I like the point of view of this swine flu article , makes some sense .
- http : //moustachio.novahost.org/ ? p = 8 [ novahost.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I like the point of view of this swine flu article, makes some sense.
- http://moustachio.novahost.org/?p=8 [novahost.org]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28356601</id>
	<title>A few years ago...</title>
	<author>XeoKeri</author>
	<datestamp>1245163680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>A few years ago, the Ho Chi Minh City airport was behind in technology and was a pain to travel through.  I doubt even 2 years ago that they had this device installed there.  I've traveled to this airport 3 times in the past few years.  During my last trip back in February the airport was completely renovated and was amazed at the fact it no longer seemed like a third world country inside the airport.  First time there, before the renovation, it was extremely difficult to get through all the people to get checked baggage off the conveyor.  Now it seems like they actually want to provide a good, fast, friendly service to the people traveling in and out of this airport.
<br>
<br>
You can wear a hoodie inside the airport, but the moment you step out, you will have to take off your shirt just to keep from getting too hot, even at night.  The air alone will make you sick if your ride a motorcycle around HCMC without a mask.  Though I don't know what's worse, the air pollution or the noise pollution.
<br>
<br>
I doubt I would be worried about getting H1N1 in HCMC.  I'd be more worried that the communist country won't let you blog about how bad the government is and how corrupt the police are if you are living there. I have family living there in HCMC, they are more worried about someone going to California or Mexico to get H1N1 than in Vietnam.
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Also, in Vietnam, Vietnamese people are very impolite, and can be inconsiderate when flying. Flying to and from HCMC from either Seoul, Korea or Hong Kong, the Vietnamese people seem to be pushy and rude.  Seems they don't have proper flight etiquette. Then when you get outside the HCMC airport, it's difficult to see if someone is waiting for you to arrive, as there are hundreds of people always packed together blocking your view and taking up almost the complete walkway as you exit.</htmltext>
<tokenext>A few years ago , the Ho Chi Minh City airport was behind in technology and was a pain to travel through .
I doubt even 2 years ago that they had this device installed there .
I 've traveled to this airport 3 times in the past few years .
During my last trip back in February the airport was completely renovated and was amazed at the fact it no longer seemed like a third world country inside the airport .
First time there , before the renovation , it was extremely difficult to get through all the people to get checked baggage off the conveyor .
Now it seems like they actually want to provide a good , fast , friendly service to the people traveling in and out of this airport .
You can wear a hoodie inside the airport , but the moment you step out , you will have to take off your shirt just to keep from getting too hot , even at night .
The air alone will make you sick if your ride a motorcycle around HCMC without a mask .
Though I do n't know what 's worse , the air pollution or the noise pollution .
I doubt I would be worried about getting H1N1 in HCMC .
I 'd be more worried that the communist country wo n't let you blog about how bad the government is and how corrupt the police are if you are living there .
I have family living there in HCMC , they are more worried about someone going to California or Mexico to get H1N1 than in Vietnam .
Also , in Vietnam , Vietnamese people are very impolite , and can be inconsiderate when flying .
Flying to and from HCMC from either Seoul , Korea or Hong Kong , the Vietnamese people seem to be pushy and rude .
Seems they do n't have proper flight etiquette .
Then when you get outside the HCMC airport , it 's difficult to see if someone is waiting for you to arrive , as there are hundreds of people always packed together blocking your view and taking up almost the complete walkway as you exit .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>A few years ago, the Ho Chi Minh City airport was behind in technology and was a pain to travel through.
I doubt even 2 years ago that they had this device installed there.
I've traveled to this airport 3 times in the past few years.
During my last trip back in February the airport was completely renovated and was amazed at the fact it no longer seemed like a third world country inside the airport.
First time there, before the renovation, it was extremely difficult to get through all the people to get checked baggage off the conveyor.
Now it seems like they actually want to provide a good, fast, friendly service to the people traveling in and out of this airport.
You can wear a hoodie inside the airport, but the moment you step out, you will have to take off your shirt just to keep from getting too hot, even at night.
The air alone will make you sick if your ride a motorcycle around HCMC without a mask.
Though I don't know what's worse, the air pollution or the noise pollution.
I doubt I would be worried about getting H1N1 in HCMC.
I'd be more worried that the communist country won't let you blog about how bad the government is and how corrupt the police are if you are living there.
I have family living there in HCMC, they are more worried about someone going to California or Mexico to get H1N1 than in Vietnam.
Also, in Vietnam, Vietnamese people are very impolite, and can be inconsiderate when flying.
Flying to and from HCMC from either Seoul, Korea or Hong Kong, the Vietnamese people seem to be pushy and rude.
Seems they don't have proper flight etiquette.
Then when you get outside the HCMC airport, it's difficult to see if someone is waiting for you to arrive, as there are hundreds of people always packed together blocking your view and taking up almost the complete walkway as you exit.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351661</id>
	<title>In other news...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245182160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>In other news it was discovered that vampires are able to raise their body temperature high enough to fool heat cameras meant to detect the undead by drinking a gallon of hot coffee right before they pass the cameras.</htmltext>
<tokenext>In other news it was discovered that vampires are able to raise their body temperature high enough to fool heat cameras meant to detect the undead by drinking a gallon of hot coffee right before they pass the cameras .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other news it was discovered that vampires are able to raise their body temperature high enough to fool heat cameras meant to detect the undead by drinking a gallon of hot coffee right before they pass the cameras.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28354427</id>
	<title>Re:Seems unlikely</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245150480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Right.  I feel a bit ill or have a headache related to screaming children (no unusual while travelling) and I take a tylenol...one of those *evil* fever reducers.</p><p>I'd also note my ticket probably cost somewhere between $400-$1200 for an international flight, and I really doubt they would reimberse me if I wasn't feeling 100\%.</p><p>Assuming this is a) the flight out (not home) and b) my first leg of the trip.  Even if this was, by miracle, my flight out, I somehow doubt in this situation you'd ditch $1000 (or more since if you can't get our, you don't get to use the return flight) to help reduce the risk of other people getting a minor illness.</p><p>Yeah, you're a I-feel-fine hypocrite, just like the rest of us.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Right .
I feel a bit ill or have a headache related to screaming children ( no unusual while travelling ) and I take a tylenol...one of those * evil * fever reducers.I 'd also note my ticket probably cost somewhere between $ 400- $ 1200 for an international flight , and I really doubt they would reimberse me if I was n't feeling 100 \ % .Assuming this is a ) the flight out ( not home ) and b ) my first leg of the trip .
Even if this was , by miracle , my flight out , I somehow doubt in this situation you 'd ditch $ 1000 ( or more since if you ca n't get our , you do n't get to use the return flight ) to help reduce the risk of other people getting a minor illness.Yeah , you 're a I-feel-fine hypocrite , just like the rest of us .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Right.
I feel a bit ill or have a headache related to screaming children (no unusual while travelling) and I take a tylenol...one of those *evil* fever reducers.I'd also note my ticket probably cost somewhere between $400-$1200 for an international flight, and I really doubt they would reimberse me if I wasn't feeling 100\%.Assuming this is a) the flight out (not home) and b) my first leg of the trip.
Even if this was, by miracle, my flight out, I somehow doubt in this situation you'd ditch $1000 (or more since if you can't get our, you don't get to use the return flight) to help reduce the risk of other people getting a minor illness.Yeah, you're a I-feel-fine hypocrite, just like the rest of us.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351415</id>
	<title>Intent?</title>
	<author>causality</author>
	<datestamp>1245181320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>The article doesn't really explain whether this was deliberate cheating.  Did any of these folks see a doctor who straight up told them "Yes, you have this dangerous flu virus, please avoid airline travel because we need to contain it?"  Otherwise, it's not unusual for people to feel the onset of a cold or flu and take "medicine" (i.e. symptom blockers) so they can feel better and avoid missing work.  Is it strange that people might do this to avoid missing a flight (and aren't airplane tickets often non-refundable?) with no intention of cheating anything?  I mean, if you stopped random people in the street and asked them, I doubt most of them would even know that airliners have body-temperature scanners.</htmltext>
<tokenext>The article does n't really explain whether this was deliberate cheating .
Did any of these folks see a doctor who straight up told them " Yes , you have this dangerous flu virus , please avoid airline travel because we need to contain it ?
" Otherwise , it 's not unusual for people to feel the onset of a cold or flu and take " medicine " ( i.e .
symptom blockers ) so they can feel better and avoid missing work .
Is it strange that people might do this to avoid missing a flight ( and are n't airplane tickets often non-refundable ?
) with no intention of cheating anything ?
I mean , if you stopped random people in the street and asked them , I doubt most of them would even know that airliners have body-temperature scanners .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The article doesn't really explain whether this was deliberate cheating.
Did any of these folks see a doctor who straight up told them "Yes, you have this dangerous flu virus, please avoid airline travel because we need to contain it?
"  Otherwise, it's not unusual for people to feel the onset of a cold or flu and take "medicine" (i.e.
symptom blockers) so they can feel better and avoid missing work.
Is it strange that people might do this to avoid missing a flight (and aren't airplane tickets often non-refundable?
) with no intention of cheating anything?
I mean, if you stopped random people in the street and asked them, I doubt most of them would even know that airliners have body-temperature scanners.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28351503</id>
	<title>Anonymous Coward</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245181740000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>H1N1 is all about conditioning and compliance testing. That is all. The real shit will go down once they know we will respond the way they want us to.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>H1N1 is all about conditioning and compliance testing .
That is all .
The real shit will go down once they know we will respond the way they want us to .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>H1N1 is all about conditioning and compliance testing.
That is all.
The real shit will go down once they know we will respond the way they want us to.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28359609</id>
	<title>Re:Wait...</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245240480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>The word you were looking for is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceilidh ceilidh]</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The word you were looking for is [ http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceilidh ceilidh ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The word you were looking for is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceilidh ceilidh]</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_16_1629200.28352029</id>
	<title>Nothing but face-saving</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245183720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>OK, you people have to figure out how things work under a Communist government.  The higher-ups want to protect the country from H1N1, all the other Asian countries are doing it.  Heat scanners are installed in all airports, with a masked nurse seated nearby filing her fingernails and ignoring the device.  We've secured the country!  But wait it seems H1N1 cases got through anyway.  The higher-ups are furious, they were assured that heat detectors were deployed.  Solution?  Those shifty foreigners <i>cheated</i> our indigenously made infrared devices.  Therefore, no punishment will be meted out as blame has been shifted.  Someone always has to take the fall for mistakes, even if they were otherwise fully qualified as health director, head scientist, etc.  History is full of officials who got sent to the gulag because they couldn't dodge the blame for something that didn't turn out perfectly.</htmltext>
<tokenext>OK , you people have to figure out how things work under a Communist government .
The higher-ups want to protect the country from H1N1 , all the other Asian countries are doing it .
Heat scanners are installed in all airports , with a masked nurse seated nearby filing her fingernails and ignoring the device .
We 've secured the country !
But wait it seems H1N1 cases got through anyway .
The higher-ups are furious , they were assured that heat detectors were deployed .
Solution ? Those shifty foreigners cheated our indigenously made infrared devices .
Therefore , no punishment will be meted out as blame has been shifted .
Someone always has to take the fall for mistakes , even if they were otherwise fully qualified as health director , head scientist , etc .
History is full of officials who got sent to the gulag because they could n't dodge the blame for something that did n't turn out perfectly .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>OK, you people have to figure out how things work under a Communist government.
The higher-ups want to protect the country from H1N1, all the other Asian countries are doing it.
Heat scanners are installed in all airports, with a masked nurse seated nearby filing her fingernails and ignoring the device.
We've secured the country!
But wait it seems H1N1 cases got through anyway.
The higher-ups are furious, they were assured that heat detectors were deployed.
Solution?  Those shifty foreigners cheated our indigenously made infrared devices.
Therefore, no punishment will be meted out as blame has been shifted.
Someone always has to take the fall for mistakes, even if they were otherwise fully qualified as health director, head scientist, etc.
History is full of officials who got sent to the gulag because they couldn't dodge the blame for something that didn't turn out perfectly.</sentencetext>
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