<article>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#article09_06_15_2352200</id>
	<title>Apple Finally Patches Java Vulnerability</title>
	<author>kdawson</author>
	<datestamp>1245068580000</datestamp>
	<htmltext>macs4all writes <i>"<a href="http://db.tidbits.com/article/10352">Apple has finally addressed the Java vulnerability</a> that nearly everyone else patched months ago. Available now for OS X <a href="http://support.apple.com/downloads/Java\_for\_Mac\_OS\_X\_10\_4\_\_Release\_9">10.4</a> and <a href="http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3581">10.5</a>, and through Apple's Software Update service, this update patches a flaw in the Java Virtual Machine that could potentially allow a malicious Java applet to execute arbitrary code on the machine. Apple had previously advised users to turn off Java temporarily in their Web browsers."</i></htmltext>
<tokenext>macs4all writes " Apple has finally addressed the Java vulnerability that nearly everyone else patched months ago .
Available now for OS X 10.4 and 10.5 , and through Apple 's Software Update service , this update patches a flaw in the Java Virtual Machine that could potentially allow a malicious Java applet to execute arbitrary code on the machine .
Apple had previously advised users to turn off Java temporarily in their Web browsers .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>macs4all writes "Apple has finally addressed the Java vulnerability that nearly everyone else patched months ago.
Available now for OS X 10.4 and 10.5, and through Apple's Software Update service, this update patches a flaw in the Java Virtual Machine that could potentially allow a malicious Java applet to execute arbitrary code on the machine.
Apple had previously advised users to turn off Java temporarily in their Web browsers.
"</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28348439</id>
	<title>Re:Apple is not a fan of Java</title>
	<author>foo fighter</author>
	<datestamp>1245171360000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>I mean, what can explain their slowness in Java porting? I wish I knew. It's a real annoyance.</i></p><p>Apple wants external developers to use Cocoa. They want to focus internal efforts on making Cocoa better.</p><p>From Apple's strategic perspective, why support an alternative platform (and Java is an alternative platform) that doesn't lead to great Mac software, especially great <i>Mac-only</i> software?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean , what can explain their slowness in Java porting ?
I wish I knew .
It 's a real annoyance.Apple wants external developers to use Cocoa .
They want to focus internal efforts on making Cocoa better.From Apple 's strategic perspective , why support an alternative platform ( and Java is an alternative platform ) that does n't lead to great Mac software , especially great Mac-only software ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean, what can explain their slowness in Java porting?
I wish I knew.
It's a real annoyance.Apple wants external developers to use Cocoa.
They want to focus internal efforts on making Cocoa better.From Apple's strategic perspective, why support an alternative platform (and Java is an alternative platform) that doesn't lead to great Mac software, especially great Mac-only software?</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28346821</id>
	<title>Re:maybe</title>
	<author>Culture20</author>
	<datestamp>1245162660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>The Java plug-in does not block applets from launching file:// URLs. Visiting a website containing a maliciously crafted Java applet may allow a remote attacker to launch local files, which may lead to arbitrary code execution.</p></div><p>Like any file from the malicious website in your browser cache.  Oops.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>The Java plug-in does not block applets from launching file : // URLs .
Visiting a website containing a maliciously crafted Java applet may allow a remote attacker to launch local files , which may lead to arbitrary code execution.Like any file from the malicious website in your browser cache .
Oops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>The Java plug-in does not block applets from launching file:// URLs.
Visiting a website containing a maliciously crafted Java applet may allow a remote attacker to launch local files, which may lead to arbitrary code execution.Like any file from the malicious website in your browser cache.
Oops.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28344367</id>
	<title>10.4 and Java 1.6?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245087900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Is it really too much to ask for Java 1.6 for all the poor bastards still stuck with PowerPC machines that need Classic, so can't migrate to 10.5?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Is it really too much to ask for Java 1.6 for all the poor bastards still stuck with PowerPC machines that need Classic , so ca n't migrate to 10.5 ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Is it really too much to ask for Java 1.6 for all the poor bastards still stuck with PowerPC machines that need Classic, so can't migrate to 10.5?</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342851</id>
	<title>Slashdot Bias</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245073380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Had this been a post about Microsoft instead of Apple, I'd imagine there'd be a lot of "ha ha micro$0ft sucks" posts now.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Had this been a post about Microsoft instead of Apple , I 'd imagine there 'd be a lot of " ha ha micro $ 0ft sucks " posts now .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Had this been a post about Microsoft instead of Apple, I'd imagine there'd be a lot of "ha ha micro$0ft sucks" posts now.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28345925</id>
	<title>Re:maybe</title>
	<author>cibyr</author>
	<datestamp>1245153240000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>By default, newly downloaded executables from the internet have a flag (similar to Windows) that would ask for a confirmation before executing, thus requiring user input to work, I'm not sure if this vulnerability would bypass this.</p></div><p>You say "by default" - do you know how to turn this off? This is one "security" feature that really bugs me - on windows and on OS X. Yes, I really want to run that executable that I downloaded. That's why I downloaded it! I think I'm smart enough not to run some random executable that suddenly appeared on my desktop/in my downloads folder.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>By default , newly downloaded executables from the internet have a flag ( similar to Windows ) that would ask for a confirmation before executing , thus requiring user input to work , I 'm not sure if this vulnerability would bypass this.You say " by default " - do you know how to turn this off ?
This is one " security " feature that really bugs me - on windows and on OS X. Yes , I really want to run that executable that I downloaded .
That 's why I downloaded it !
I think I 'm smart enough not to run some random executable that suddenly appeared on my desktop/in my downloads folder .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>By default, newly downloaded executables from the internet have a flag (similar to Windows) that would ask for a confirmation before executing, thus requiring user input to work, I'm not sure if this vulnerability would bypass this.You say "by default" - do you know how to turn this off?
This is one "security" feature that really bugs me - on windows and on OS X. Yes, I really want to run that executable that I downloaded.
That's why I downloaded it!
I think I'm smart enough not to run some random executable that suddenly appeared on my desktop/in my downloads folder.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343889</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342705</id>
	<title>SAD :(</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245072420000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>It is truly sad that Apple still just don't "Get" security. Makes me a sad panda to think it is going to take some sort of devastating worm or virus for them to finally wake up and smell the shit they are pumping out.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It is truly sad that Apple still just do n't " Get " security .
Makes me a sad panda to think it is going to take some sort of devastating worm or virus for them to finally wake up and smell the shit they are pumping out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It is truly sad that Apple still just don't "Get" security.
Makes me a sad panda to think it is going to take some sort of devastating worm or virus for them to finally wake up and smell the shit they are pumping out.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343603</id>
	<title>Re:SAD :(</title>
	<author>pauljlucas</author>
	<datestamp>1245080100000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>... [A]pple has the benefit of running a bsd based kernel.</p></div>
</blockquote><p>
It's a Mach-based kernel in a BSD-like environment.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>... [ A ] pple has the benefit of running a bsd based kernel .
It 's a Mach-based kernel in a BSD-like environment .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>... [A]pple has the benefit of running a bsd based kernel.
It's a Mach-based kernel in a BSD-like environment.
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343103</id>
	<title>Re:maybe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245075660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I believe the keyword here is "arbitrary".</p><p>The updates go on to also say....</p><p>"Description: Multiple vulnerabilities exist in Java 1.4.2\_16, the most serious of which may allow untrusted Java applets to obtain elevated privileges."</p><p>I'm no java expert but if I saw that as an update I'd update.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I believe the keyword here is " arbitrary " .The updates go on to also say.... " Description : Multiple vulnerabilities exist in Java 1.4.2 \ _16 , the most serious of which may allow untrusted Java applets to obtain elevated privileges .
" I 'm no java expert but if I saw that as an update I 'd update .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I believe the keyword here is "arbitrary".The updates go on to also say...."Description: Multiple vulnerabilities exist in Java 1.4.2\_16, the most serious of which may allow untrusted Java applets to obtain elevated privileges.
"I'm no java expert but if I saw that as an update I'd update.</sentencetext>
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</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28346639</id>
	<title>Re:SAD :(</title>
	<author>elrous0</author>
	<datestamp>1245161460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>On Apple's, malware just works.</htmltext>
<tokenext>On Apple 's , malware just works .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>On Apple's, malware just works.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342705</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343335</id>
	<title>Re:maybe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245077640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>It wasn't clear to me that the write permissions thing was honoured - if it could run any program as me, then it has the privileges needed to write to my filesystem. Still, assuming it didn't have that and only had read permissions. Hello privacy violations.

Ability to run something as me, outside of the browser, is unacceptable to me. I've had java turned off on all my mac browsers for a couple of months now, and I see it irresponsible on Apple's part that the advisory did not come from them, but externally. If the advisory were bogus, and there wasn't "anything to worry about", then I should still expect Apple to have clarified that officially, which they didn't.

Either which way you paint it, this is irresponsibility on Apple's part with respect to security, which it should be taking seriously considering the amount of marketing effort they put into that being a unique selling point over Windows.</htmltext>
<tokenext>It was n't clear to me that the write permissions thing was honoured - if it could run any program as me , then it has the privileges needed to write to my filesystem .
Still , assuming it did n't have that and only had read permissions .
Hello privacy violations .
Ability to run something as me , outside of the browser , is unacceptable to me .
I 've had java turned off on all my mac browsers for a couple of months now , and I see it irresponsible on Apple 's part that the advisory did not come from them , but externally .
If the advisory were bogus , and there was n't " anything to worry about " , then I should still expect Apple to have clarified that officially , which they did n't .
Either which way you paint it , this is irresponsibility on Apple 's part with respect to security , which it should be taking seriously considering the amount of marketing effort they put into that being a unique selling point over Windows .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It wasn't clear to me that the write permissions thing was honoured - if it could run any program as me, then it has the privileges needed to write to my filesystem.
Still, assuming it didn't have that and only had read permissions.
Hello privacy violations.
Ability to run something as me, outside of the browser, is unacceptable to me.
I've had java turned off on all my mac browsers for a couple of months now, and I see it irresponsible on Apple's part that the advisory did not come from them, but externally.
If the advisory were bogus, and there wasn't "anything to worry about", then I should still expect Apple to have clarified that officially, which they didn't.
Either which way you paint it, this is irresponsibility on Apple's part with respect to security, which it should be taking seriously considering the amount of marketing effort they put into that being a unique selling point over Windows.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342951</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343079</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot Bias</title>
	<author>node 3</author>
	<datestamp>1245075300000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Had this been a post about Microsoft instead of Apple, I'd imagine there'd be a lot of "ha ha micro$0ft sucks" posts now.</p></div><p>Instead, there's a lot of "ha ha Apple sucks" posts, as one would expect since the story's about Apple and not MS.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Had this been a post about Microsoft instead of Apple , I 'd imagine there 'd be a lot of " ha ha micro $ 0ft sucks " posts now.Instead , there 's a lot of " ha ha Apple sucks " posts , as one would expect since the story 's about Apple and not MS .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Had this been a post about Microsoft instead of Apple, I'd imagine there'd be a lot of "ha ha micro$0ft sucks" posts now.Instead, there's a lot of "ha ha Apple sucks" posts, as one would expect since the story's about Apple and not MS.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342851</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343951</id>
	<title>Re:SAD :(</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245083280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>With the increasing use of Macs (Mac Minis, iMacs, Mac Pros and the MacBook series of notebooks) to connect to the Internet, the ignorance of Mac users to a potential major malware attack is something that Apple needs to address soon, because many Mac users think that they don't need malware protection. One major malware attack directed specifically against Macs will finally convince Mac users to address this issue very quickly, that's to be sure.</p><p>Windows since Windows XP Service Pack 2 <i>forces</i> you to practice safe computing because the OS gives you warning about at least installing an antivirus program and firewall programs. As such, today's machines running Windows XP and Windows <i>Vista</i> mandates you have Windows Update at least in Notify mode and users have a full Internet security suite (or its free equivalents) installed. My current home computer (an HP Pavilion a6400f running Windows <i>Vista</i> Home Premium Edition)--because of these security mandates from the operating system itself--has Windows Update already patched to the latest security level (including Service Pack 2) and runs Norton Internet Security 2008; as a result, I don't see any issues with malware affecting my system.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:-)</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>With the increasing use of Macs ( Mac Minis , iMacs , Mac Pros and the MacBook series of notebooks ) to connect to the Internet , the ignorance of Mac users to a potential major malware attack is something that Apple needs to address soon , because many Mac users think that they do n't need malware protection .
One major malware attack directed specifically against Macs will finally convince Mac users to address this issue very quickly , that 's to be sure.Windows since Windows XP Service Pack 2 forces you to practice safe computing because the OS gives you warning about at least installing an antivirus program and firewall programs .
As such , today 's machines running Windows XP and Windows Vista mandates you have Windows Update at least in Notify mode and users have a full Internet security suite ( or its free equivalents ) installed .
My current home computer ( an HP Pavilion a6400f running Windows Vista Home Premium Edition ) --because of these security mandates from the operating system itself--has Windows Update already patched to the latest security level ( including Service Pack 2 ) and runs Norton Internet Security 2008 ; as a result , I do n't see any issues with malware affecting my system .
: - )</tokentext>
<sentencetext>With the increasing use of Macs (Mac Minis, iMacs, Mac Pros and the MacBook series of notebooks) to connect to the Internet, the ignorance of Mac users to a potential major malware attack is something that Apple needs to address soon, because many Mac users think that they don't need malware protection.
One major malware attack directed specifically against Macs will finally convince Mac users to address this issue very quickly, that's to be sure.Windows since Windows XP Service Pack 2 forces you to practice safe computing because the OS gives you warning about at least installing an antivirus program and firewall programs.
As such, today's machines running Windows XP and Windows Vista mandates you have Windows Update at least in Notify mode and users have a full Internet security suite (or its free equivalents) installed.
My current home computer (an HP Pavilion a6400f running Windows Vista Home Premium Edition)--because of these security mandates from the operating system itself--has Windows Update already patched to the latest security level (including Service Pack 2) and runs Norton Internet Security 2008; as a result, I don't see any issues with malware affecting my system.
:-)</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343855</id>
	<title>Re:maybe</title>
	<author>jackspenn</author>
	<datestamp>1245082380000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>As a Mac owner I am glad, for whatever reason, viruses are of no concern to me.</p> </div><p>...</p><p><div class="quote"><p>But at home I get to relax, and ignore the issue completely.</p></div><p>Until the day you can't.  I am sorry, but you make me want to troll the net for the next security issue that is resolved in Linux and/or Windows, but Apple drags their feet on (again).  Then I can use it to F with people like you.  Your confidence comes from your ignorance.

<br> <br>

Here is the sad truth, Both the Linux/BSD communities and Microsoft take security more seriously than Apple.

<br> <br>

Apply repeatedly leaves a lot of holes open longer then they should be.  I am thinking iTunes may present a nice target vector, but there have been so many in the past and I am sure there will be more in the future.

<br> <br>

I can see the HP/MS commercial now during the Superbowl next year:
<br> <br>
PC - "Hi, I'm a PC"<br>
MAC - "and I'm<nobr> <wbr></nobr>.... full of crap."<br>
PC - "Oh, MAC.  While your designers were working to change your outsides from white to aluminum they didn't have time to patch the latest security threats to your OS."<br>
MAC - "All my music, all my pictures and all my home movies, gone, the worm even reformated my Time Machine drive and replaced restore points with pointers to an image of a piece of shit and a burning NEXT cube."<br>
PC - "Well, MAC, you like to talk a big game, but you are not good at playing the big game.  So let everyone go back to those who can; first with the guys in Superbowl 44 and then with Windows 7 on their next laptop."</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>As a Mac owner I am glad , for whatever reason , viruses are of no concern to me .
...But at home I get to relax , and ignore the issue completely.Until the day you ca n't .
I am sorry , but you make me want to troll the net for the next security issue that is resolved in Linux and/or Windows , but Apple drags their feet on ( again ) .
Then I can use it to F with people like you .
Your confidence comes from your ignorance .
Here is the sad truth , Both the Linux/BSD communities and Microsoft take security more seriously than Apple .
Apply repeatedly leaves a lot of holes open longer then they should be .
I am thinking iTunes may present a nice target vector , but there have been so many in the past and I am sure there will be more in the future .
I can see the HP/MS commercial now during the Superbowl next year : PC - " Hi , I 'm a PC " MAC - " and I 'm .... full of crap .
" PC - " Oh , MAC .
While your designers were working to change your outsides from white to aluminum they did n't have time to patch the latest security threats to your OS .
" MAC - " All my music , all my pictures and all my home movies , gone , the worm even reformated my Time Machine drive and replaced restore points with pointers to an image of a piece of shit and a burning NEXT cube .
" PC - " Well , MAC , you like to talk a big game , but you are not good at playing the big game .
So let everyone go back to those who can ; first with the guys in Superbowl 44 and then with Windows 7 on their next laptop .
"</tokentext>
<sentencetext>As a Mac owner I am glad, for whatever reason, viruses are of no concern to me.
...But at home I get to relax, and ignore the issue completely.Until the day you can't.
I am sorry, but you make me want to troll the net for the next security issue that is resolved in Linux and/or Windows, but Apple drags their feet on (again).
Then I can use it to F with people like you.
Your confidence comes from your ignorance.
Here is the sad truth, Both the Linux/BSD communities and Microsoft take security more seriously than Apple.
Apply repeatedly leaves a lot of holes open longer then they should be.
I am thinking iTunes may present a nice target vector, but there have been so many in the past and I am sure there will be more in the future.
I can see the HP/MS commercial now during the Superbowl next year:
 
PC - "Hi, I'm a PC"
MAC - "and I'm .... full of crap.
"
PC - "Oh, MAC.
While your designers were working to change your outsides from white to aluminum they didn't have time to patch the latest security threats to your OS.
"
MAC - "All my music, all my pictures and all my home movies, gone, the worm even reformated my Time Machine drive and replaced restore points with pointers to an image of a piece of shit and a burning NEXT cube.
"
PC - "Well, MAC, you like to talk a big game, but you are not good at playing the big game.
So let everyone go back to those who can; first with the guys in Superbowl 44 and then with Windows 7 on their next laptop.
"
	</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343257</id>
	<title>Re:SAD :(</title>
	<author>TinBromide</author>
	<datestamp>1245076860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I get the funniest looks when I say that Apple has had the benefit of security via obscurity and when it comes to security measures, Apple is now at the point where Microsoft was in 1998. Yes, mod me troll, but as you do so, you know that Apple hasn't had the same trial by fire that Microsoft has. If you look at the yearly exploit conferences, OS X doesn't fare much better than Windows, and that's only because apple has the benefit of running a bsd based kernel. Picking a more secure solution from the get-go doesn't mean that they can maintain and do the required preventative patching measures.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I get the funniest looks when I say that Apple has had the benefit of security via obscurity and when it comes to security measures , Apple is now at the point where Microsoft was in 1998 .
Yes , mod me troll , but as you do so , you know that Apple has n't had the same trial by fire that Microsoft has .
If you look at the yearly exploit conferences , OS X does n't fare much better than Windows , and that 's only because apple has the benefit of running a bsd based kernel .
Picking a more secure solution from the get-go does n't mean that they can maintain and do the required preventative patching measures .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I get the funniest looks when I say that Apple has had the benefit of security via obscurity and when it comes to security measures, Apple is now at the point where Microsoft was in 1998.
Yes, mod me troll, but as you do so, you know that Apple hasn't had the same trial by fire that Microsoft has.
If you look at the yearly exploit conferences, OS X doesn't fare much better than Windows, and that's only because apple has the benefit of running a bsd based kernel.
Picking a more secure solution from the get-go doesn't mean that they can maintain and do the required preventative patching measures.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342743</id>
	<title>In other news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245072660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>In other news, a major car manufacturer finally did a recall on a faulty transmission found in their economy class sedan. This defect caused the car to explode if driven in third gear or higher. The manufacturer previous advised users to just keep their vehicles under 30mph (48 kph) and everything would be fine.</p><p>Also, an oven manufacturer recently found a defect in the temperature management system for the oven. The manufacturer advised to keep the oven under 200 degrees to prevent a cascading failure.</p></div><p>It's a shame that Apple doesn't consider software defects to be a potentially life threatening condition. Someone successfully stealing your identity could be just in the same ballpark as a major car malfunction or an exploding stove.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>In other news , a major car manufacturer finally did a recall on a faulty transmission found in their economy class sedan .
This defect caused the car to explode if driven in third gear or higher .
The manufacturer previous advised users to just keep their vehicles under 30mph ( 48 kph ) and everything would be fine.Also , an oven manufacturer recently found a defect in the temperature management system for the oven .
The manufacturer advised to keep the oven under 200 degrees to prevent a cascading failure.It 's a shame that Apple does n't consider software defects to be a potentially life threatening condition .
Someone successfully stealing your identity could be just in the same ballpark as a major car malfunction or an exploding stove .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>In other news, a major car manufacturer finally did a recall on a faulty transmission found in their economy class sedan.
This defect caused the car to explode if driven in third gear or higher.
The manufacturer previous advised users to just keep their vehicles under 30mph (48 kph) and everything would be fine.Also, an oven manufacturer recently found a defect in the temperature management system for the oven.
The manufacturer advised to keep the oven under 200 degrees to prevent a cascading failure.It's a shame that Apple doesn't consider software defects to be a potentially life threatening condition.
Someone successfully stealing your identity could be just in the same ballpark as a major car malfunction or an exploding stove.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28346403</id>
	<title>Re:SAD :(</title>
	<author>mtremsal</author>
	<datestamp>1245159600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>"Mode me troll" or "bye, karma" seem to be the ultimate way to have mods react in the opposite manner ("poor guy thinks I'm too stupid to see how Insightful his post is").<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... Corallary being that this very post would be modded troll<nobr> <wbr></nobr>... if I hadn't pointed it out ?</p><p>*head explodes*</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>" Mode me troll " or " bye , karma " seem to be the ultimate way to have mods react in the opposite manner ( " poor guy thinks I 'm too stupid to see how Insightful his post is " ) .
... Corallary being that this very post would be modded troll ... if I had n't pointed it out ?
* head explodes *</tokentext>
<sentencetext>"Mode me troll" or "bye, karma" seem to be the ultimate way to have mods react in the opposite manner ("poor guy thinks I'm too stupid to see how Insightful his post is").
... Corallary being that this very post would be modded troll ... if I hadn't pointed it out ?
*head explodes*</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343257</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28344631</id>
	<title>Re:The Black Haxor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245090660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Except Java Script is not Java.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Except Java Script is not Java .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Except Java Script is not Java.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343223</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342737</id>
	<title>Apple: It Just Works (TM)*</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245072660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Troll</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>*we know what's best for you</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>* we know what 's best for you</tokentext>
<sentencetext>*we know what's best for you</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28352779</id>
	<title>Re:Just turn off Java</title>
	<author>ukyoCE</author>
	<datestamp>1245143520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>People use Java in web browsers?  And it's enabled by default?  O.o</p><p>WHY</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>People use Java in web browsers ?
And it 's enabled by default ?
O.oWHY</tokentext>
<sentencetext>People use Java in web browsers?
And it's enabled by default?
O.oWHY</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342983</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343223</id>
	<title>The Black Haxor</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245076620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>Apple Guy "Halt who goes there"<br>
Black Haxor "It is I the black haxor, I seek the finest computer coders to join me in my quest"<br>
Apple Guy " You shall not pass"<br>
Black Haxor "What ?"<br>
Apple Guy "Non shall pass"<br>
Black Haxor "I have no quarrel with you, good sir, but I must move on"<br>
Apple Guy "Then you shall first install photoshop and make an offering at the alter of Steve and promise to buy hardware at twice the price from the lords of apple".<br>
Black Haxor "I command you to stand aside! for I am the Black Haxor"<br>
Apple Guy "I move for no man for I am impervious to all your tricks for I run OSX"<br>
Black Haxor "So be it"<br>
[Black Haxor pulls out his laptop and starts to type]<br>
[HAH]<br>
Apple Guy "What have you done ?"<br>
Black Haxor "I have exploited a java script bug on your system and signed you up as the local leader for the "Pedo's Rights" association and then passed the details on to the the local parents and teachers group"<br>
Apple Guy "what is this trickery, for such is impossible, you lie"<br>
[a rabble of middle aged parents turn up]<br>
Crowd "THERE HE IS, GET HIM!!"<br>
Apple Guy "BAH! Tis but a lie"<br>
Black Haxor "run man, they weld clubs and carry petrol containers and mean harm upon you"<br>
Apple Guy "They do not wish me harm as my laptop colour matches my shoes, thus they come to tell me how great my karma is"<br>
[15 minutes later the Black Haxor is staring at a smoldering pile on the ground]<br>
Black Haxor "Sigh"<br>
[Crosses bridge]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple Guy " Halt who goes there " Black Haxor " It is I the black haxor , I seek the finest computer coders to join me in my quest " Apple Guy " You shall not pass " Black Haxor " What ?
" Apple Guy " Non shall pass " Black Haxor " I have no quarrel with you , good sir , but I must move on " Apple Guy " Then you shall first install photoshop and make an offering at the alter of Steve and promise to buy hardware at twice the price from the lords of apple " .
Black Haxor " I command you to stand aside !
for I am the Black Haxor " Apple Guy " I move for no man for I am impervious to all your tricks for I run OSX " Black Haxor " So be it " [ Black Haxor pulls out his laptop and starts to type ] [ HAH ] Apple Guy " What have you done ?
" Black Haxor " I have exploited a java script bug on your system and signed you up as the local leader for the " Pedo 's Rights " association and then passed the details on to the the local parents and teachers group " Apple Guy " what is this trickery , for such is impossible , you lie " [ a rabble of middle aged parents turn up ] Crowd " THERE HE IS , GET HIM ! !
" Apple Guy " BAH !
T is but a lie " Black Haxor " run man , they weld clubs and carry petrol containers and mean harm upon you " Apple Guy " They do not wish me harm as my laptop colour matches my shoes , thus they come to tell me how great my karma is " [ 15 minutes later the Black Haxor is staring at a smoldering pile on the ground ] Black Haxor " Sigh " [ Crosses bridge ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple Guy "Halt who goes there"
Black Haxor "It is I the black haxor, I seek the finest computer coders to join me in my quest"
Apple Guy " You shall not pass"
Black Haxor "What ?
"
Apple Guy "Non shall pass"
Black Haxor "I have no quarrel with you, good sir, but I must move on"
Apple Guy "Then you shall first install photoshop and make an offering at the alter of Steve and promise to buy hardware at twice the price from the lords of apple".
Black Haxor "I command you to stand aside!
for I am the Black Haxor"
Apple Guy "I move for no man for I am impervious to all your tricks for I run OSX"
Black Haxor "So be it"
[Black Haxor pulls out his laptop and starts to type]
[HAH]
Apple Guy "What have you done ?
"
Black Haxor "I have exploited a java script bug on your system and signed you up as the local leader for the "Pedo's Rights" association and then passed the details on to the the local parents and teachers group"
Apple Guy "what is this trickery, for such is impossible, you lie"
[a rabble of middle aged parents turn up]
Crowd "THERE HE IS, GET HIM!!
"
Apple Guy "BAH!
Tis but a lie"
Black Haxor "run man, they weld clubs and carry petrol containers and mean harm upon you"
Apple Guy "They do not wish me harm as my laptop colour matches my shoes, thus they come to tell me how great my karma is"
[15 minutes later the Black Haxor is staring at a smoldering pile on the ground]
Black Haxor "Sigh"
[Crosses bridge]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28345805</id>
	<title>I did a demo on this just recently...</title>
	<author>js\_sebastian</author>
	<datestamp>1245150900000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>...but I didn't have a mac, so I had to use a vm with an unpatched linux (ubuntu 8.10 actually).
I tried to convince a guy with a mac in the audience to go to my exploit url, but he was not willing... One cool thing of this exploit is that it is pure java, so the same exploit can work on linux, mac and windows.
<br> <br>
Here is a writeup on the vulnerability:
<a href="http://blog.cr0.org/2009/05/write-once-own-everyone.html" title="cr0.org">http://blog.cr0.org/2009/05/write-once-own-everyone.html</a> [cr0.org]
<br> <br>
And here is a proof-of-concept exploit:
<a href="http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/code/macosx/CVE-2008-5353.20090519.html" title="bikemonkey.org">http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/code/macosx/CVE-2008-5353.20090519.html</a> [bikemonkey.org]
<br> <br>
You can decompile it to see what's going on exactly.
<br> <br>
Enjoy.</htmltext>
<tokenext>...but I did n't have a mac , so I had to use a vm with an unpatched linux ( ubuntu 8.10 actually ) .
I tried to convince a guy with a mac in the audience to go to my exploit url , but he was not willing... One cool thing of this exploit is that it is pure java , so the same exploit can work on linux , mac and windows .
Here is a writeup on the vulnerability : http : //blog.cr0.org/2009/05/write-once-own-everyone.html [ cr0.org ] And here is a proof-of-concept exploit : http : //landonf.bikemonkey.org/code/macosx/CVE-2008-5353.20090519.html [ bikemonkey.org ] You can decompile it to see what 's going on exactly .
Enjoy .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...but I didn't have a mac, so I had to use a vm with an unpatched linux (ubuntu 8.10 actually).
I tried to convince a guy with a mac in the audience to go to my exploit url, but he was not willing... One cool thing of this exploit is that it is pure java, so the same exploit can work on linux, mac and windows.
Here is a writeup on the vulnerability:
http://blog.cr0.org/2009/05/write-once-own-everyone.html [cr0.org]
 
And here is a proof-of-concept exploit:
http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/code/macosx/CVE-2008-5353.20090519.html [bikemonkey.org]
 
You can decompile it to see what's going on exactly.
Enjoy.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28344995</id>
	<title>di34</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245095520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>-1</modscore>
	<htmltext><A HREF="http://goat.cx/" title="goat.cx" rel="nofollow">[slashdot.org], Minutes. At home, are having trouble fu7cKing surprise, too many rules and</a> [goat.cx]</htmltext>
<tokenext>[ slashdot.org ] , Minutes .
At home , are having trouble fu7cKing surprise , too many rules and [ goat.cx ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>[slashdot.org], Minutes.
At home, are having trouble fu7cKing surprise, too many rules and [goat.cx]</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28345677</id>
	<title>Re:Apple is not a fan of Java</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245148920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Say what now?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Say what now ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Say what now?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343453</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28346623</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot Bias</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245161280000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p> The problem with the particular Java case is twofold:

</p><p> - Sun's handling of Java always sucked.

</p><p> - Apple's handling of security issues always sucked.

</p><p> The discussion had no chances to be as focused as discussion of M$ suckage, because instead of one we deal here with two suckages at the same time.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>The problem with the particular Java case is twofold : - Sun 's handling of Java always sucked .
- Apple 's handling of security issues always sucked .
The discussion had no chances to be as focused as discussion of M $ suckage , because instead of one we deal here with two suckages at the same time .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> The problem with the particular Java case is twofold:

 - Sun's handling of Java always sucked.
- Apple's handling of security issues always sucked.
The discussion had no chances to be as focused as discussion of M$ suckage, because instead of one we deal here with two suckages at the same time.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342851</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28345231</id>
	<title>Re:Just turn off Java</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245185040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>From the last story on this: <a href="http://blog.cr0.org/2009/05/write-once-own-everyone.html" title="cr0.org">http://blog.cr0.org/2009/05/write-once-own-everyone.html</a> [cr0.org] <p><div class="quote"><p>So MacOS X users, please disable Java in your web browser.
Others: make sure you have updated Java and still disable it in your web browser: it's a huge attack surface and it suffers from many other security vulnerabilities.</p></div><p>Oh, and to all who pointed out that Sun had patched this months ago - have you updated Java since then?</p><p><div class="quote"><p>for various reasons, Java is usually poorly updated:
</p><ul>
    <li>The Sun Java update mechanism isn't tied to the operating system update system on the Windows platform. Personal users and companies don't update it often, some of them do have processes in place to deal with Microsoft's patch Tuesdays but don't for other software updates.
    </li><li> Many companies are using web applications or Java software that rely on a specific Java version. It may be tedious to update Java because it would break many things. This may be the reason why Apple's Java updates are so infrequent.
</li><li> Some Linux distributions don't support Sun's JRE (proprietary software) despite making it available. When I asked Ubuntu to fix this vulnerability, they fixed OpenJDK quickly but told me the Sun JRE was not supported (despite being available by default on the latest LTS Ubuntu release).</li></ul></div></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>From the last story on this : http : //blog.cr0.org/2009/05/write-once-own-everyone.html [ cr0.org ] So MacOS X users , please disable Java in your web browser .
Others : make sure you have updated Java and still disable it in your web browser : it 's a huge attack surface and it suffers from many other security vulnerabilities.Oh , and to all who pointed out that Sun had patched this months ago - have you updated Java since then ? for various reasons , Java is usually poorly updated : The Sun Java update mechanism is n't tied to the operating system update system on the Windows platform .
Personal users and companies do n't update it often , some of them do have processes in place to deal with Microsoft 's patch Tuesdays but do n't for other software updates .
Many companies are using web applications or Java software that rely on a specific Java version .
It may be tedious to update Java because it would break many things .
This may be the reason why Apple 's Java updates are so infrequent .
Some Linux distributions do n't support Sun 's JRE ( proprietary software ) despite making it available .
When I asked Ubuntu to fix this vulnerability , they fixed OpenJDK quickly but told me the Sun JRE was not supported ( despite being available by default on the latest LTS Ubuntu release ) .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>From the last story on this: http://blog.cr0.org/2009/05/write-once-own-everyone.html [cr0.org] So MacOS X users, please disable Java in your web browser.
Others: make sure you have updated Java and still disable it in your web browser: it's a huge attack surface and it suffers from many other security vulnerabilities.Oh, and to all who pointed out that Sun had patched this months ago - have you updated Java since then?for various reasons, Java is usually poorly updated:

    The Sun Java update mechanism isn't tied to the operating system update system on the Windows platform.
Personal users and companies don't update it often, some of them do have processes in place to deal with Microsoft's patch Tuesdays but don't for other software updates.
Many companies are using web applications or Java software that rely on a specific Java version.
It may be tedious to update Java because it would break many things.
This may be the reason why Apple's Java updates are so infrequent.
Some Linux distributions don't support Sun's JRE (proprietary software) despite making it available.
When I asked Ubuntu to fix this vulnerability, they fixed OpenJDK quickly but told me the Sun JRE was not supported (despite being available by default on the latest LTS Ubuntu release).
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342983</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28344873</id>
	<title>Not working here..</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245093780000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>We have three Macbooks in my office room, the java update did not install on any of them. The error messages are not very discriptive either...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>We have three Macbooks in my office room , the java update did not install on any of them .
The error messages are not very discriptive either.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>We have three Macbooks in my office room, the java update did not install on any of them.
The error messages are not very discriptive either...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28365039</id>
	<title>Spinning Kaleidescope of Death</title>
	<author>JustJenFelice</author>
	<datestamp>1245270180000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Anybody else notice the rabid, hostile tendencies of the typical Mac Fanboy's postings?  A little disturbing...</htmltext>
<tokenext>Anybody else notice the rabid , hostile tendencies of the typical Mac Fanboy 's postings ?
A little disturbing.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Anybody else notice the rabid, hostile tendencies of the typical Mac Fanboy's postings?
A little disturbing...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28352091</id>
	<title>Re:maybe</title>
	<author>hondo77</author>
	<datestamp>1245183960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Here is the sad truth, Both the Linux/BSD communities and Microsoft take security more seriously than Apple.</p></div><p>You claim that, despite no Mac OS X viruses in the wild <em>ever</em>? I don't think "security" means what you think it means.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Here is the sad truth , Both the Linux/BSD communities and Microsoft take security more seriously than Apple.You claim that , despite no Mac OS X viruses in the wild ever ?
I do n't think " security " means what you think it means .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Here is the sad truth, Both the Linux/BSD communities and Microsoft take security more seriously than Apple.You claim that, despite no Mac OS X viruses in the wild ever?
I don't think "security" means what you think it means.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343855</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343585</id>
	<title>And so my message spreads.....</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245079920000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get a PC.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>:D</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get a PC .
: D</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get a PC.
:D</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28358037</id>
	<title>Re:Apple is not a fan of Java</title>
	<author>laffer1</author>
	<datestamp>1245178140000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I was under the impression that WebObjects was Java only since 5.0 came out.  <a href="http://developer.apple.com/tools/webobjects/" title="apple.com">http://developer.apple.com/tools/webobjects/</a> [apple.com]  As you can see, it mentions only java in the description.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I was under the impression that WebObjects was Java only since 5.0 came out .
http : //developer.apple.com/tools/webobjects/ [ apple.com ] As you can see , it mentions only java in the description .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I was under the impression that WebObjects was Java only since 5.0 came out.
http://developer.apple.com/tools/webobjects/ [apple.com]  As you can see, it mentions only java in the description.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28344363</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28344257</id>
	<title>Apple vs Security</title>
	<author>rajats</author>
	<datestamp>1245086340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I think apple should launch another ad campaign with the "Cool" mac guy on one side and a security guy on the other!  The "Cool" guy could put his head in the sand and shout "Don't make me do stuff!".</htmltext>
<tokenext>I think apple should launch another ad campaign with the " Cool " mac guy on one side and a security guy on the other !
The " Cool " guy could put his head in the sand and shout " Do n't make me do stuff !
" .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I think apple should launch another ad campaign with the "Cool" mac guy on one side and a security guy on the other!
The "Cool" guy could put his head in the sand and shout "Don't make me do stuff!
".</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28344789</id>
	<title>Re:Old versions.</title>
	<author>Draek</author>
	<datestamp>1245092460000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Well, when the fanboys start praising Apple for the "long lifetime" of their products and "vibrant second-hand market", they always neglect to mention you're still stuck in the upgrade treadmill if you want your computer secure.</p><p>So yes, the fact that they don't have a patch for his OSX 10.1 machine *is* a problem and a big reason why I recommend Debian PPC for old Macs instead of crusty versions of OSX. Updates are faster to come, its still supported, and OS upgrades are free.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , when the fanboys start praising Apple for the " long lifetime " of their products and " vibrant second-hand market " , they always neglect to mention you 're still stuck in the upgrade treadmill if you want your computer secure.So yes , the fact that they do n't have a patch for his OSX 10.1 machine * is * a problem and a big reason why I recommend Debian PPC for old Macs instead of crusty versions of OSX .
Updates are faster to come , its still supported , and OS upgrades are free .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Well, when the fanboys start praising Apple for the "long lifetime" of their products and "vibrant second-hand market", they always neglect to mention you're still stuck in the upgrade treadmill if you want your computer secure.So yes, the fact that they don't have a patch for his OSX 10.1 machine *is* a problem and a big reason why I recommend Debian PPC for old Macs instead of crusty versions of OSX.
Updates are faster to come, its still supported, and OS upgrades are free.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342747</parent>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28345137</id>
	<title>Re:SAD :(</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245184200000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Dear Steve,<br>Let Sun handle the porting.<br>Let Sun handle the porting.<br>Let Sun handle the porting.<br>Let Sun handle the porting.<br>Let Sun handle the porting.</p><p>Love,<br>Disgruntled Mac Java Users/Devs</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Dear Steve,Let Sun handle the porting.Let Sun handle the porting.Let Sun handle the porting.Let Sun handle the porting.Let Sun handle the porting.Love,Disgruntled Mac Java Users/Devs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Dear Steve,Let Sun handle the porting.Let Sun handle the porting.Let Sun handle the porting.Let Sun handle the porting.Let Sun handle the porting.Love,Disgruntled Mac Java Users/Devs</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342705</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28356341</id>
	<title>arduino ide is broken by this update</title>
	<author>jcgf</author>
	<datestamp>1245162060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>problems with librxtxSerial.jnilib arrrgh!</htmltext>
<tokenext>problems with librxtxSerial.jnilib arrrgh !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>problems with librxtxSerial.jnilib arrrgh!</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342993</id>
	<title>158MB update!!!!</title>
	<author>macbuzz01</author>
	<datestamp>1245074700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Holy crap that's a huge update. How big is the original install? Sorry for the people on dial-up.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Holy crap that 's a huge update .
How big is the original install ?
Sorry for the people on dial-up .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Holy crap that's a huge update.
How big is the original install?
Sorry for the people on dial-up.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342903</id>
	<title>Time to chide Apple</title>
	<author>MillionthMonkey</author>
	<datestamp>1245073980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Rich also chided Apple for leaving such a major hole unpatched for so long.</p></div><p>Yeah, Apple, a meager market share (not accounting for cost per unit of course) isn't an excuse to leave stuff like this busted. I hereby CHIDE you!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Rich also chided Apple for leaving such a major hole unpatched for so long.Yeah , Apple , a meager market share ( not accounting for cost per unit of course ) is n't an excuse to leave stuff like this busted .
I hereby CHIDE you !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Rich also chided Apple for leaving such a major hole unpatched for so long.Yeah, Apple, a meager market share (not accounting for cost per unit of course) isn't an excuse to leave stuff like this busted.
I hereby CHIDE you!
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343147</id>
	<title>Re:SAD :(</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245076080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah, we Mac users have been hearing for years and years and years about this big, impending trojan that's going to put us in our place.  I'll keep waiting...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , we Mac users have been hearing for years and years and years about this big , impending trojan that 's going to put us in our place .
I 'll keep waiting.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, we Mac users have been hearing for years and years and years about this big, impending trojan that's going to put us in our place.
I'll keep waiting...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342705</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343429</id>
	<title>Yeah -FINALLY-</title>
	<author>DebianDog</author>
	<datestamp>1245078480000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>I mean hell us Mac users can FINALLY get back on the internet.  Shooo took long enough &lt;shakes fist at Steve Jobs&gt; We just sat here living in fear. Mac powered off. Checking in with our Windows friends to see when it was safe again, while flashbacks to the "Code Red" nightmare from year ago filled our head.  Oh wait, Code Red is when my company swore off ever using Windows for critical systems.... Scratch that.<br><br>But anyways us Mac fan bois are back!  WOO HOO!!!!  "finally"</htmltext>
<tokenext>I mean hell us Mac users can FINALLY get back on the internet .
Shooo took long enough We just sat here living in fear .
Mac powered off .
Checking in with our Windows friends to see when it was safe again , while flashbacks to the " Code Red " nightmare from year ago filled our head .
Oh wait , Code Red is when my company swore off ever using Windows for critical systems.... Scratch that.But anyways us Mac fan bois are back !
WOO HOO ! ! ! !
" finally "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I mean hell us Mac users can FINALLY get back on the internet.
Shooo took long enough  We just sat here living in fear.
Mac powered off.
Checking in with our Windows friends to see when it was safe again, while flashbacks to the "Code Red" nightmare from year ago filled our head.
Oh wait, Code Red is when my company swore off ever using Windows for critical systems.... Scratch that.But anyways us Mac fan bois are back!
WOO HOO!!!!
"finally"</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342983</id>
	<title>Just turn off Java</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245074580000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p> Apple had previously advised users to turn off Java temporarily in their Web browsers</p></div></blockquote><p>Even after updating, I've found that's advice I can live with.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple had previously advised users to turn off Java temporarily in their Web browsersEven after updating , I 've found that 's advice I can live with .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> Apple had previously advised users to turn off Java temporarily in their Web browsersEven after updating, I've found that's advice I can live with.
	</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28344521</id>
	<title>Re:Old versions.</title>
	<author>shentino</author>
	<datestamp>1245089520000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Interesting that people who willingly "kiss their karma goodbye" and make statements to that effect are the ones who wind up with the upmods?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Interesting that people who willingly " kiss their karma goodbye " and make statements to that effect are the ones who wind up with the upmods ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Interesting that people who willingly "kiss their karma goodbye" and make statements to that effect are the ones who wind up with the upmods?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342747</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343889</id>
	<title>Re:maybe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245082680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Get the user to download an executable then pop up a window with your java applet that executes ~\Downloads\JustDownloadedMalware</p><p>But it's still a bit far-fetched. By default, newly downloaded executables from the internet have a flag (similar to Windows) that would ask for a confirmation before executing, thus requiring user input to work, I'm not sure if this vulnerability would bypass this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Get the user to download an executable then pop up a window with your java applet that executes ~ \ Downloads \ JustDownloadedMalwareBut it 's still a bit far-fetched .
By default , newly downloaded executables from the internet have a flag ( similar to Windows ) that would ask for a confirmation before executing , thus requiring user input to work , I 'm not sure if this vulnerability would bypass this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Get the user to download an executable then pop up a window with your java applet that executes ~\Downloads\JustDownloadedMalwareBut it's still a bit far-fetched.
By default, newly downloaded executables from the internet have a flag (similar to Windows) that would ask for a confirmation before executing, thus requiring user input to work, I'm not sure if this vulnerability would bypass this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342951</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28344815</id>
	<title>Re:SAD :(</title>
	<author>MidnightBrewer</author>
	<datestamp>1245092940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>So the only reason that they're managing to stay secure is because they picked an inherently more secure operating system?  Not to mention that they're actively patching a system which has to date never had a virus?  Yeah, Apple really is dropping the ball on this one.</p><p>I will, however, agree that it would be nice if Apple would be more timely; it's not like they don't have enough money to hire new programmers if the current bunch is spread around too thin.  Telling people to just turn Java off for a few months is a bit lame.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>So the only reason that they 're managing to stay secure is because they picked an inherently more secure operating system ?
Not to mention that they 're actively patching a system which has to date never had a virus ?
Yeah , Apple really is dropping the ball on this one.I will , however , agree that it would be nice if Apple would be more timely ; it 's not like they do n't have enough money to hire new programmers if the current bunch is spread around too thin .
Telling people to just turn Java off for a few months is a bit lame .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>So the only reason that they're managing to stay secure is because they picked an inherently more secure operating system?
Not to mention that they're actively patching a system which has to date never had a virus?
Yeah, Apple really is dropping the ball on this one.I will, however, agree that it would be nice if Apple would be more timely; it's not like they don't have enough money to hire new programmers if the current bunch is spread around too thin.
Telling people to just turn Java off for a few months is a bit lame.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343257</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343267</id>
	<title>Re:maybe</title>
	<author>SpazmodeusG</author>
	<datestamp>1245076980000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext>Normally I absolutely agree. Most vulnerabilities are overhyped. Not this one though. Read this article and click the link to a page that runs<nobr> <wbr></nobr>/usr/bin/say on your unpatched machine.<br>
<a href="http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/code/macosx/CVE-2008-5353.20090519.html" title="bikemonkey.org">http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/code/macosx/CVE-2008-5353.20090519.html</a> [bikemonkey.org]</htmltext>
<tokenext>Normally I absolutely agree .
Most vulnerabilities are overhyped .
Not this one though .
Read this article and click the link to a page that runs /usr/bin/say on your unpatched machine .
http : //landonf.bikemonkey.org/code/macosx/CVE-2008-5353.20090519.html [ bikemonkey.org ]</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Normally I absolutely agree.
Most vulnerabilities are overhyped.
Not this one though.
Read this article and click the link to a page that runs /usr/bin/say on your unpatched machine.
http://landonf.bikemonkey.org/code/macosx/CVE-2008-5353.20090519.html [bikemonkey.org]</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342951</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343677</id>
	<title>Re:SAD :(</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245080700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>Yeah, we Mac users have been hearing for years and years and years about this big, impending trojan that's going to put us in our place. I'll keep waiting...</p></div><p>Whoever said it hasn't happened?  If I had a nice trojan into all Macs, I'd be making it as invisible as possible.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah , we Mac users have been hearing for years and years and years about this big , impending trojan that 's going to put us in our place .
I 'll keep waiting...Whoever said it has n't happened ?
If I had a nice trojan into all Macs , I 'd be making it as invisible as possible .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah, we Mac users have been hearing for years and years and years about this big, impending trojan that's going to put us in our place.
I'll keep waiting...Whoever said it hasn't happened?
If I had a nice trojan into all Macs, I'd be making it as invisible as possible.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343147</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342747</id>
	<title>Old versions.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245072720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>4</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>...and this means that we can expect Vic20\_love to come along any moment now and complain that his OS X 10.1 machine from 19-dickity-6 doesn't have a patch out yet, so Apple sucks.</p><p>Not that Apple doesn't suck, but you don't really need to troll for reasons.</p><p>(Bye, karma, nice knowing you...)</p><p>--saint</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>...and this means that we can expect Vic20 \ _love to come along any moment now and complain that his OS X 10.1 machine from 19-dickity-6 does n't have a patch out yet , so Apple sucks.Not that Apple does n't suck , but you do n't really need to troll for reasons .
( Bye , karma , nice knowing you... ) --saint</tokentext>
<sentencetext>...and this means that we can expect Vic20\_love to come along any moment now and complain that his OS X 10.1 machine from 19-dickity-6 doesn't have a patch out yet, so Apple sucks.Not that Apple doesn't suck, but you don't really need to troll for reasons.
(Bye, karma, nice knowing you...)--saint</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28345039</id>
	<title>Re:SAD :(</title>
	<author>Lars T.</author>
	<datestamp>1245182640000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Fuck, you are crazy. In 1998, no wait, make that 2003, Windows was like swiss cheese, and Blaster made the Internet almost unbearable not only for Windows users. And you say "Apple is now at the point where Microsoft was in 1998"? I proclaim you Fanboi Numero Uno.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Fuck , you are crazy .
In 1998 , no wait , make that 2003 , Windows was like swiss cheese , and Blaster made the Internet almost unbearable not only for Windows users .
And you say " Apple is now at the point where Microsoft was in 1998 " ?
I proclaim you Fanboi Numero Uno .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Fuck, you are crazy.
In 1998, no wait, make that 2003, Windows was like swiss cheese, and Blaster made the Internet almost unbearable not only for Windows users.
And you say "Apple is now at the point where Microsoft was in 1998"?
I proclaim you Fanboi Numero Uno.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343257</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343121</id>
	<title>Java is now Apple's problem?</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245075840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I do not understand...but since when have problems in Java been Apple's problems?</p><p>Seriously, the title talks of problems with Java and then goes ahead to mention that these problems are Apple's problems - absurd!</p><p>May be the title should be changed to say something like: -</p><p>"...Java exploits a vulnerability on Apple's OSX..."</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I do not understand...but since when have problems in Java been Apple 's problems ? Seriously , the title talks of problems with Java and then goes ahead to mention that these problems are Apple 's problems - absurd ! May be the title should be changed to say something like : - " ...Java exploits a vulnerability on Apple 's OSX... "</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I do not understand...but since when have problems in Java been Apple's problems?Seriously, the title talks of problems with Java and then goes ahead to mention that these problems are Apple's problems - absurd!May be the title should be changed to say something like: -"...Java exploits a vulnerability on Apple's OSX..."</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342835</id>
	<title>What about PPC Java?</title>
	<author>BikeHelmet</author>
	<datestamp>1245073320000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Just wondering. PPC Java for OSX is even more out of date than x86 Java.</p><p>The latest java on PPC is 1.5, and I'm sure it's out of date too...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Just wondering .
PPC Java for OSX is even more out of date than x86 Java.The latest java on PPC is 1.5 , and I 'm sure it 's out of date too.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Just wondering.
PPC Java for OSX is even more out of date than x86 Java.The latest java on PPC is 1.5, and I'm sure it's out of date too...</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343239</id>
	<title>Re:maybe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245076680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><blockquote><div><p>And doesn't the java sandbox model prevent java applets from writing to the filesystem?</p></div></blockquote><p>IIRC, this vulnerability was specifically caused by improperly letting applet code out of the sandbox. The problem was when deserializing a Calendar object, there are com.sun classes involved which require the deserialization code to run at a higher permission level since com.sun classes are outside the sandbox that applets typically live in. So Sun created a loophole for deserializing Calendars. What they didn't count on was that the attacker could supply a serialized class that was not of the correct type but had static initialization code. So by the time the JVM deserialized the class and threw a ClassCastException, the static initialization code had already been run at the escalated privilege.</p><p>So yes, this vulnerability was every bit as dangerous as it was hyped to be. The attacker could load an applet that phoned home for the code that it needed to run and then ran it, all within that static initialization block. The code did not need to be present on the victims computer ahead of time and the sandboxing did not protect the user.</p><p>It's not all on Apple though, since Sun is partially to blame for the crap state of Date/Calendar APIs in Java. Better libraries like JodaTime have been around for a while and there was even a <a href="http://jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=310" title="jcp.org" rel="nofollow">JSR</a> [jcp.org] for adding something similar to Java, but Sun didn't prioritize it. Still, Sun released a fix a long time ago and it took Apple months to apply the fix to a new Java release.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>And does n't the java sandbox model prevent java applets from writing to the filesystem ? IIRC , this vulnerability was specifically caused by improperly letting applet code out of the sandbox .
The problem was when deserializing a Calendar object , there are com.sun classes involved which require the deserialization code to run at a higher permission level since com.sun classes are outside the sandbox that applets typically live in .
So Sun created a loophole for deserializing Calendars .
What they did n't count on was that the attacker could supply a serialized class that was not of the correct type but had static initialization code .
So by the time the JVM deserialized the class and threw a ClassCastException , the static initialization code had already been run at the escalated privilege.So yes , this vulnerability was every bit as dangerous as it was hyped to be .
The attacker could load an applet that phoned home for the code that it needed to run and then ran it , all within that static initialization block .
The code did not need to be present on the victims computer ahead of time and the sandboxing did not protect the user.It 's not all on Apple though , since Sun is partially to blame for the crap state of Date/Calendar APIs in Java .
Better libraries like JodaTime have been around for a while and there was even a JSR [ jcp.org ] for adding something similar to Java , but Sun did n't prioritize it .
Still , Sun released a fix a long time ago and it took Apple months to apply the fix to a new Java release .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>And doesn't the java sandbox model prevent java applets from writing to the filesystem?IIRC, this vulnerability was specifically caused by improperly letting applet code out of the sandbox.
The problem was when deserializing a Calendar object, there are com.sun classes involved which require the deserialization code to run at a higher permission level since com.sun classes are outside the sandbox that applets typically live in.
So Sun created a loophole for deserializing Calendars.
What they didn't count on was that the attacker could supply a serialized class that was not of the correct type but had static initialization code.
So by the time the JVM deserialized the class and threw a ClassCastException, the static initialization code had already been run at the escalated privilege.So yes, this vulnerability was every bit as dangerous as it was hyped to be.
The attacker could load an applet that phoned home for the code that it needed to run and then ran it, all within that static initialization block.
The code did not need to be present on the victims computer ahead of time and the sandboxing did not protect the user.It's not all on Apple though, since Sun is partially to blame for the crap state of Date/Calendar APIs in Java.
Better libraries like JodaTime have been around for a while and there was even a JSR [jcp.org] for adding something similar to Java, but Sun didn't prioritize it.
Still, Sun released a fix a long time ago and it took Apple months to apply the fix to a new Java release.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342951</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28357635</id>
	<title>Re:Just turn off Java</title>
	<author>jawahar</author>
	<datestamp>1245173160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Java and AJAX are Oxymoron on Desktops.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Java and AJAX are Oxymoron on Desktops .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Java and AJAX are Oxymoron on Desktops.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342983</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28345565</id>
	<title>Re:What about PPC Java?</title>
	<author>Cymurgh</author>
	<datestamp>1245147120000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Speaking of which, the update just failed to work on my PPC (G4 Powerbook, running Leopard, so far updated to Java 1.5.0\_16). Anyone else have trouble? Any clues?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Speaking of which , the update just failed to work on my PPC ( G4 Powerbook , running Leopard , so far updated to Java 1.5.0 \ _16 ) .
Anyone else have trouble ?
Any clues ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Speaking of which, the update just failed to work on my PPC (G4 Powerbook, running Leopard, so far updated to Java 1.5.0\_16).
Anyone else have trouble?
Any clues?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342835</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28344567</id>
	<title>Re:In other news</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245089940000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>It's a shame that Apple doesn't consider software defects to be a potentially life threatening condition. Someone successfully stealing your identity could be just in the same ballpark as a major car malfunction or an exploding stove.</p></div><p>By that logic, using Windows is very nearly constantly a potentially life-threatening condition (when <em>isn't</em> there an exploit for some hole in it?), and Microsoft should have recalled it years ago.<nobr> <wbr></nobr>;)</p><p>Internet Explorer <em>alone</em> would qualify as a serial killer!</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>It 's a shame that Apple does n't consider software defects to be a potentially life threatening condition .
Someone successfully stealing your identity could be just in the same ballpark as a major car malfunction or an exploding stove.By that logic , using Windows is very nearly constantly a potentially life-threatening condition ( when is n't there an exploit for some hole in it ?
) , and Microsoft should have recalled it years ago .
; ) Internet Explorer alone would qualify as a serial killer !</tokentext>
<sentencetext>It's a shame that Apple doesn't consider software defects to be a potentially life threatening condition.
Someone successfully stealing your identity could be just in the same ballpark as a major car malfunction or an exploding stove.By that logic, using Windows is very nearly constantly a potentially life-threatening condition (when isn't there an exploit for some hole in it?
), and Microsoft should have recalled it years ago.
;)Internet Explorer alone would qualify as a serial killer!
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342743</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343213</id>
	<title>Re:Java is now Apple's problem?</title>
	<author>patman600</author>
	<datestamp>1245076560000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext>They've been apple's problem since they took over porting java to the mac, and prevent sun from writing their own java for mac.</htmltext>
<tokenext>They 've been apple 's problem since they took over porting java to the mac , and prevent sun from writing their own java for mac .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>They've been apple's problem since they took over porting java to the mac, and prevent sun from writing their own java for mac.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343121</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342867</id>
	<title>Re:Old versions.</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245073500000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><i>complain that his OS X 10.1 machine from 19-dickity-6 doesn't have a patch out yet, so Apple sucks.</i></p><p>Whatever fanboi. How about 10.3 machines that were being sold in many retailers <b>towards the end of 2005</b>.</p><p>Four years support for security fixes is pathetic. Apple haven't learnt any lessons.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>complain that his OS X 10.1 machine from 19-dickity-6 does n't have a patch out yet , so Apple sucks.Whatever fanboi .
How about 10.3 machines that were being sold in many retailers towards the end of 2005.Four years support for security fixes is pathetic .
Apple have n't learnt any lessons .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>complain that his OS X 10.1 machine from 19-dickity-6 doesn't have a patch out yet, so Apple sucks.Whatever fanboi.
How about 10.3 machines that were being sold in many retailers towards the end of 2005.Four years support for security fixes is pathetic.
Apple haven't learnt any lessons.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342747</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343107</id>
	<title>Re:maybe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245075720000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Funny</modclass>
	<modscore>3</modscore>
	<htmltext>I agree with this post. As a Mac owner I am glad, for whatever reason, viruses are of no concern to me. On my work computer my employer can spend whatever they want to support XP (and it is a great deal of money). But at home I get to relax, and ignore the issue completely.</htmltext>
<tokenext>I agree with this post .
As a Mac owner I am glad , for whatever reason , viruses are of no concern to me .
On my work computer my employer can spend whatever they want to support XP ( and it is a great deal of money ) .
But at home I get to relax , and ignore the issue completely .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I agree with this post.
As a Mac owner I am glad, for whatever reason, viruses are of no concern to me.
On my work computer my employer can spend whatever they want to support XP (and it is a great deal of money).
But at home I get to relax, and ignore the issue completely.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342951</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343941</id>
	<title>Re:SAD :(</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245083160000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext>My mother doesn't lock her front door despite warnings about druggies and kids looking for easy scores. She has never been robbed to this day and she believes it is a perfectly safe practise.

Many Mac users are in the same sad deluded state, maybe no one will ever bother robbing you, but damn if they decide to it is gonna be an easy score for them.</htmltext>
<tokenext>My mother does n't lock her front door despite warnings about druggies and kids looking for easy scores .
She has never been robbed to this day and she believes it is a perfectly safe practise .
Many Mac users are in the same sad deluded state , maybe no one will ever bother robbing you , but damn if they decide to it is gon na be an easy score for them .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>My mother doesn't lock her front door despite warnings about druggies and kids looking for easy scores.
She has never been robbed to this day and she believes it is a perfectly safe practise.
Many Mac users are in the same sad deluded state, maybe no one will ever bother robbing you, but damn if they decide to it is gonna be an easy score for them.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343147</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28345793</id>
	<title>Apple needs to improve security further for sure</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245150600000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>But seriously, I've just turned off Java on all my browsers and systems. Why even bother with it on? Does *anybody* even use applets anymore? I don't run into pages with applets at least. Can't turn your head without running into javascript, and the foul and horrid flash is quite common (flick2flash is my personal lord and savior!), but applets? I think there are two stories in here. Apple still needs to hire someone to champion security (i.e. technologies *and* updates) and all browsers should disalble java as default as it is just a bunch of dead weight.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>But seriously , I 've just turned off Java on all my browsers and systems .
Why even bother with it on ?
Does * anybody * even use applets anymore ?
I do n't run into pages with applets at least .
Ca n't turn your head without running into javascript , and the foul and horrid flash is quite common ( flick2flash is my personal lord and savior !
) , but applets ?
I think there are two stories in here .
Apple still needs to hire someone to champion security ( i.e .
technologies * and * updates ) and all browsers should disalble java as default as it is just a bunch of dead weight .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>But seriously, I've just turned off Java on all my browsers and systems.
Why even bother with it on?
Does *anybody* even use applets anymore?
I don't run into pages with applets at least.
Can't turn your head without running into javascript, and the foul and horrid flash is quite common (flick2flash is my personal lord and savior!
), but applets?
I think there are two stories in here.
Apple still needs to hire someone to champion security (i.e.
technologies *and* updates) and all browsers should disalble java as default as it is just a bunch of dead weight.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28344031</id>
	<title>Re:maybe</title>
	<author>Malc</author>
	<datestamp>1245084000000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Do you realise how dangerous it is being able to execute anything?  If somebody deploying an exploit against this Java issue waits until there is a separate local root exploit, then it's game over.  Or as somebody else pointed out, if they can get a user to download something else innocuous sounding, then again, it's all over.  And yes, I've had a computer remotely exploited due to a weak password and an unpatched local root security hole.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Do you realise how dangerous it is being able to execute anything ?
If somebody deploying an exploit against this Java issue waits until there is a separate local root exploit , then it 's game over .
Or as somebody else pointed out , if they can get a user to download something else innocuous sounding , then again , it 's all over .
And yes , I 've had a computer remotely exploited due to a weak password and an unpatched local root security hole .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Do you realise how dangerous it is being able to execute anything?
If somebody deploying an exploit against this Java issue waits until there is a separate local root exploit, then it's game over.
Or as somebody else pointed out, if they can get a user to download something else innocuous sounding, then again, it's all over.
And yes, I've had a computer remotely exploited due to a weak password and an unpatched local root security hole.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342951</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343017</id>
	<title>Re:maybe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245074820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Was thinking the same thing when I read though all this.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Was thinking the same thing when I read though all this .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Was thinking the same thing when I read though all this.</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342951</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28357793</id>
	<title>Great, now if only</title>
	<author>onemorechip</author>
	<datestamp>1245175080000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>they can do something about this <i>"The update "Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 4" can't be installed</i> error message I get when I try to install the thing.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>they can do something about this " The update " Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 4 " ca n't be installed error message I get when I try to install the thing .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>they can do something about this "The update "Java for Mac OS X 10.5 Update 4" can't be installed error message I get when I try to install the thing.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28352759</id>
	<title>Re:maybe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245143400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This bug is about Java in the browser.  Does ANYONE use Java in their web browser?  Is it even enabled by default?</p><p>I'm struggling to care about this issue...</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This bug is about Java in the browser .
Does ANYONE use Java in their web browser ?
Is it even enabled by default ? I 'm struggling to care about this issue.. .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This bug is about Java in the browser.
Does ANYONE use Java in their web browser?
Is it even enabled by default?I'm struggling to care about this issue...</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343855</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28344369</id>
	<title>Re:maybe</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245087960000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><div class="quote"><p>I'm understanding correctly, it apparently doesn't let the attacker launch any code the attacker choses. It only lets the attacker launch code that's already present on the user's filesystem. And doesn't the java sandbox model prevent java applets from writing to the filesystem? So the attacker really may have very little opportunity to execute arbitrary code of the attacker's choosing.</p></div><p>If the attacker can launch Bash, what else could he possibly need? Oh, and isn't Python there as well? Perl? Ruby?</p><p>By the way, I wonder if wget is also present in default OS X install. That would be even more fun.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>I 'm understanding correctly , it apparently does n't let the attacker launch any code the attacker choses .
It only lets the attacker launch code that 's already present on the user 's filesystem .
And does n't the java sandbox model prevent java applets from writing to the filesystem ?
So the attacker really may have very little opportunity to execute arbitrary code of the attacker 's choosing.If the attacker can launch Bash , what else could he possibly need ?
Oh , and is n't Python there as well ?
Perl ? Ruby ? By the way , I wonder if wget is also present in default OS X install .
That would be even more fun .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I'm understanding correctly, it apparently doesn't let the attacker launch any code the attacker choses.
It only lets the attacker launch code that's already present on the user's filesystem.
And doesn't the java sandbox model prevent java applets from writing to the filesystem?
So the attacker really may have very little opportunity to execute arbitrary code of the attacker's choosing.If the attacker can launch Bash, what else could he possibly need?
Oh, and isn't Python there as well?
Perl? Ruby?By the way, I wonder if wget is also present in default OS X install.
That would be even more fun.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342951</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28345735</id>
	<title>Yeeeeah...</title>
	<author>randomblast</author>
	<datestamp>1245149700000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>This makes even happier that my mac greeted me with "The Java update for 10.5 could not be installed" this morning.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>This makes even happier that my mac greeted me with " The Java update for 10.5 could not be installed " this morning .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>This makes even happier that my mac greeted me with "The Java update for 10.5 could not be installed" this morning.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28346285</id>
	<title>Re:SAD :(</title>
	<author>gcerullo</author>
	<datestamp>1245158400000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p><nobr> <wbr></nobr></p><div class="quote"><p>...when it comes to security measures, Apple is now at the point where Microsoft was in 1998.</p></div><p>You guys modded this insightful. I think he was going for funny.

Microsoft didn't catch up to the security of the Mac OS until Vista. Up to that point, all you had to do was turn on a Windows box and connect it to the Internet and wait to get owned. Some point out that the turning point for Microsoft was SP2 for XP but all that did was turn the firewall on by default. It did not address the inherent insecurity of the operating system.

So no, Apple was never and never will be as bad as Microsoft was when it comes to security.</p></div>
	</htmltext>
<tokenext>...when it comes to security measures , Apple is now at the point where Microsoft was in 1998.You guys modded this insightful .
I think he was going for funny .
Microsoft did n't catch up to the security of the Mac OS until Vista .
Up to that point , all you had to do was turn on a Windows box and connect it to the Internet and wait to get owned .
Some point out that the turning point for Microsoft was SP2 for XP but all that did was turn the firewall on by default .
It did not address the inherent insecurity of the operating system .
So no , Apple was never and never will be as bad as Microsoft was when it comes to security .</tokentext>
<sentencetext> ...when it comes to security measures, Apple is now at the point where Microsoft was in 1998.You guys modded this insightful.
I think he was going for funny.
Microsoft didn't catch up to the security of the Mac OS until Vista.
Up to that point, all you had to do was turn on a Windows box and connect it to the Internet and wait to get owned.
Some point out that the turning point for Microsoft was SP2 for XP but all that did was turn the firewall on by default.
It did not address the inherent insecurity of the operating system.
So no, Apple was never and never will be as bad as Microsoft was when it comes to security.
	</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343257</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342951</id>
	<title>maybe</title>
	<author>bcrowell</author>
	<datestamp>1245074340000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>2</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>
Well, maybe.
</p><p>
First off, pretty much every time we get one of these "OMG!" stories on slashdot about a security flaw going unfixed, we find out that it's not nearly as bad as suggested by the slashdot summary. In this case, the description linked to from the slashdot article says: "The Java plug-in does not block applets from launching file:// URLs. Visiting a website containing a maliciously crafted Java applet may allow a remote attacker to launch local files, which may lead to arbitrary code execution." So that's quite a bit less scary than the slashdot summary makes it sound. If I'm understanding correctly, it apparently doesn't let the attacker launch any code the attacker choses. It only lets the attacker launch code that's already present on the user's filesystem. And doesn't the java sandbox model prevent java applets from writing to the filesystem? So the attacker really may have very little opportunity to execute arbitrary code of the attacker's choosing.
</p><p>
Second: the slashdot summary says, "Apple had previously advised users to turn off Java temporarily in their Web browsers." Wow, that sounds really awful. It makes it sound like a really serious problem. But wait, the apple page doesn't say this. According to the tidbits.com article, Rich Mogull is the one who says the fix is to disable applets. The link to Rich Mogull's advice is a link within tidbits.com.
</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Well , maybe .
First off , pretty much every time we get one of these " OMG !
" stories on slashdot about a security flaw going unfixed , we find out that it 's not nearly as bad as suggested by the slashdot summary .
In this case , the description linked to from the slashdot article says : " The Java plug-in does not block applets from launching file : // URLs .
Visiting a website containing a maliciously crafted Java applet may allow a remote attacker to launch local files , which may lead to arbitrary code execution .
" So that 's quite a bit less scary than the slashdot summary makes it sound .
If I 'm understanding correctly , it apparently does n't let the attacker launch any code the attacker choses .
It only lets the attacker launch code that 's already present on the user 's filesystem .
And does n't the java sandbox model prevent java applets from writing to the filesystem ?
So the attacker really may have very little opportunity to execute arbitrary code of the attacker 's choosing .
Second : the slashdot summary says , " Apple had previously advised users to turn off Java temporarily in their Web browsers .
" Wow , that sounds really awful .
It makes it sound like a really serious problem .
But wait , the apple page does n't say this .
According to the tidbits.com article , Rich Mogull is the one who says the fix is to disable applets .
The link to Rich Mogull 's advice is a link within tidbits.com .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>
Well, maybe.
First off, pretty much every time we get one of these "OMG!
" stories on slashdot about a security flaw going unfixed, we find out that it's not nearly as bad as suggested by the slashdot summary.
In this case, the description linked to from the slashdot article says: "The Java plug-in does not block applets from launching file:// URLs.
Visiting a website containing a maliciously crafted Java applet may allow a remote attacker to launch local files, which may lead to arbitrary code execution.
" So that's quite a bit less scary than the slashdot summary makes it sound.
If I'm understanding correctly, it apparently doesn't let the attacker launch any code the attacker choses.
It only lets the attacker launch code that's already present on the user's filesystem.
And doesn't the java sandbox model prevent java applets from writing to the filesystem?
So the attacker really may have very little opportunity to execute arbitrary code of the attacker's choosing.
Second: the slashdot summary says, "Apple had previously advised users to turn off Java temporarily in their Web browsers.
" Wow, that sounds really awful.
It makes it sound like a really serious problem.
But wait, the apple page doesn't say this.
According to the tidbits.com article, Rich Mogull is the one who says the fix is to disable applets.
The link to Rich Mogull's advice is a link within tidbits.com.
</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28345851</id>
	<title>This update has been available for a while already</title>
	<author>Chousuke</author>
	<datestamp>1245151860000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>I've had this patch for quite a long while, actually. It's been available as a Developer Preview from ADC for a month or so already. (requires free registration to download)</p><p>No excuse for Apple for not rolling it out to the masses sooner, though.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>I 've had this patch for quite a long while , actually .
It 's been available as a Developer Preview from ADC for a month or so already .
( requires free registration to download ) No excuse for Apple for not rolling it out to the masses sooner , though .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>I've had this patch for quite a long while, actually.
It's been available as a Developer Preview from ADC for a month or so already.
(requires free registration to download)No excuse for Apple for not rolling it out to the masses sooner, though.</sentencetext>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342913</id>
	<title>Re:Slashdot Bias</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245074040000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Nice try. There is only one post not beating on Apple, and it's the other post below you. The one modded 'Funny'.</p><p>Bucketfuls of bias, eh?</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Nice try .
There is only one post not beating on Apple , and it 's the other post below you .
The one modded 'Funny'.Bucketfuls of bias , eh ?</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Nice try.
There is only one post not beating on Apple, and it's the other post below you.
The one modded 'Funny'.Bucketfuls of bias, eh?</sentencetext>
	<parent>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28342851</parent>
</comment>
<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28344937</id>
	<title>Re:Apple is not a fan of Java</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245094620000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>&gt; I mean, what can explain their slowness in Java porting? I wish I knew. It's a real annoyance.</p><p>I speculate that Apple is currently overstretched.  They are trying to:<br>* launch Snow Leopard and all of the new toys (e.g., Grand Central),<br>* launch iPhone OS 3.0,<br>* launch Safari 4,<br>* launch QuickTime X,<br>* maintain Tiger and Leopard.</p><p>There have been some issues recently that I would not expect from a "premium brand".</p><p>With Sun discontinuing support for Java 5 in October, Apple must be working on a 32-bit version of Java 6 (64-bit Java is available but Safari is only 32-bit right now).  I'm guessing they were hoping to push it out soon but ran into delays.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>&gt; I mean , what can explain their slowness in Java porting ?
I wish I knew .
It 's a real annoyance.I speculate that Apple is currently overstretched .
They are trying to : * launch Snow Leopard and all of the new toys ( e.g. , Grand Central ) , * launch iPhone OS 3.0 , * launch Safari 4 , * launch QuickTime X , * maintain Tiger and Leopard.There have been some issues recently that I would not expect from a " premium brand " .With Sun discontinuing support for Java 5 in October , Apple must be working on a 32-bit version of Java 6 ( 64-bit Java is available but Safari is only 32-bit right now ) .
I 'm guessing they were hoping to push it out soon but ran into delays .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>&gt; I mean, what can explain their slowness in Java porting?
I wish I knew.
It's a real annoyance.I speculate that Apple is currently overstretched.
They are trying to:* launch Snow Leopard and all of the new toys (e.g., Grand Central),* launch iPhone OS 3.0,* launch Safari 4,* launch QuickTime X,* maintain Tiger and Leopard.There have been some issues recently that I would not expect from a "premium brand".With Sun discontinuing support for Java 5 in October, Apple must be working on a 32-bit version of Java 6 (64-bit Java is available but Safari is only 32-bit right now).
I'm guessing they were hoping to push it out soon but ran into delays.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28347141</id>
	<title>Re:SAD :(</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245164820000</datestamp>
	<modclass>None</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>the update can't be applied on the 32bit MBPs</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>the update ca n't be applied on the 32bit MBPs</tokentext>
<sentencetext>the update can't be applied on the 32bit MBPs</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343453</id>
	<title>Re:Apple is not a fan of Java</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245078660000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Insightful</modclass>
	<modscore>5</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Yeah. Those losers should stop running their iTunes store with Java. Lame Java haters!
</p><p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebObjects" title="wikipedia.org">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebObjects</a> [wikipedia.org] No, I didn't just edit it, but I suppose it's ripe for vandalism now.
</p><p>Not like your conjecture is without merit. I mean, what <i>can</i> explain their slowness in Java porting? I wish I knew. It's a real annoyance.
</p><p>To be mildly fair, us mere mortals aren't getting WebObjects updates anymore, but they don't seem to be slowing down their usage of it at iTunes &amp; the Apple store and dev sites. Perhaps they're going to migrate more things to SproutCore once BitBurger et al gets released. Although that doesn't provide them with a back-end, and I'm not utterly convinced that RoR is up to the demand, inclusion in OS X notwithstanding. If only more Erlang/Mnesia would roll out.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Yeah .
Those losers should stop running their iTunes store with Java .
Lame Java haters !
http : //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebObjects [ wikipedia.org ] No , I did n't just edit it , but I suppose it 's ripe for vandalism now .
Not like your conjecture is without merit .
I mean , what can explain their slowness in Java porting ?
I wish I knew .
It 's a real annoyance .
To be mildly fair , us mere mortals are n't getting WebObjects updates anymore , but they do n't seem to be slowing down their usage of it at iTunes &amp; the Apple store and dev sites .
Perhaps they 're going to migrate more things to SproutCore once BitBurger et al gets released .
Although that does n't provide them with a back-end , and I 'm not utterly convinced that RoR is up to the demand , inclusion in OS X notwithstanding .
If only more Erlang/Mnesia would roll out .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Yeah.
Those losers should stop running their iTunes store with Java.
Lame Java haters!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebObjects [wikipedia.org] No, I didn't just edit it, but I suppose it's ripe for vandalism now.
Not like your conjecture is without merit.
I mean, what can explain their slowness in Java porting?
I wish I knew.
It's a real annoyance.
To be mildly fair, us mere mortals aren't getting WebObjects updates anymore, but they don't seem to be slowing down their usage of it at iTunes &amp; the Apple store and dev sites.
Perhaps they're going to migrate more things to SproutCore once BitBurger et al gets released.
Although that doesn't provide them with a back-end, and I'm not utterly convinced that RoR is up to the demand, inclusion in OS X notwithstanding.
If only more Erlang/Mnesia would roll out.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343039</id>
	<title>Re:maybe</title>
	<author>acidblue</author>
	<datestamp>1245075060000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Interestin</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext>Actually, the vulnerability allowed the applet run any arbitrary process (using the user's privileges).  It was/is a scary issue.  I am an Apple apologist and a highly paid developer who specializes in Java.  So, this vulnerability was a real "salt on the wound" issue for me.  I am glad it's fixed.  But, I am still very unhappy with Apple's low-rent support for the Java platform.</htmltext>
<tokenext>Actually , the vulnerability allowed the applet run any arbitrary process ( using the user 's privileges ) .
It was/is a scary issue .
I am an Apple apologist and a highly paid developer who specializes in Java .
So , this vulnerability was a real " salt on the wound " issue for me .
I am glad it 's fixed .
But , I am still very unhappy with Apple 's low-rent support for the Java platform .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Actually, the vulnerability allowed the applet run any arbitrary process (using the user's privileges).
It was/is a scary issue.
I am an Apple apologist and a highly paid developer who specializes in Java.
So, this vulnerability was a real "salt on the wound" issue for me.
I am glad it's fixed.
But, I am still very unhappy with Apple's low-rent support for the Java platform.</sentencetext>
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	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28343235</id>
	<title>Apple is not a fan of Java</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245076680000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Redundant</modclass>
	<modscore>0</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>Apple does not like Java. It's a competing development platform like Flash. If they did not have to ship it they wouldn't. You'll notice how long it takes them to update Java, that's why.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>Apple does not like Java .
It 's a competing development platform like Flash .
If they did not have to ship it they would n't .
You 'll notice how long it takes them to update Java , that 's why .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>Apple does not like Java.
It's a competing development platform like Flash.
If they did not have to ship it they wouldn't.
You'll notice how long it takes them to update Java, that's why.</sentencetext>
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<comment>
	<id>http://www.semanticweb.org/ontologies/ConversationInstances.owl#comment09_06_15_2352200.28344363</id>
	<title>Re:Apple is not a fan of Java</title>
	<author>Anonymous</author>
	<datestamp>1245087840000</datestamp>
	<modclass>Informativ</modclass>
	<modscore>1</modscore>
	<htmltext><p>While WebObjects CAN use Java, it can also use Objective-C, and is several times faster when using Objective-C.</p><p>Needless to say, the iTunes Music Store uses Objective-C and NOT Java.</p><p>The easiest way to verify this is to note that Java support came to WebObjects well after the iTunes music store was implemented.</p><p>Java on Mac OS X has been deprecated in favor of Python and other more useful languages. Xcode still supports it (barely) but the writing's on the wall: move to Objective C or Python, Java is dead.</p></htmltext>
<tokenext>While WebObjects CAN use Java , it can also use Objective-C , and is several times faster when using Objective-C.Needless to say , the iTunes Music Store uses Objective-C and NOT Java.The easiest way to verify this is to note that Java support came to WebObjects well after the iTunes music store was implemented.Java on Mac OS X has been deprecated in favor of Python and other more useful languages .
Xcode still supports it ( barely ) but the writing 's on the wall : move to Objective C or Python , Java is dead .</tokentext>
<sentencetext>While WebObjects CAN use Java, it can also use Objective-C, and is several times faster when using Objective-C.Needless to say, the iTunes Music Store uses Objective-C and NOT Java.The easiest way to verify this is to note that Java support came to WebObjects well after the iTunes music store was implemented.Java on Mac OS X has been deprecated in favor of Python and other more useful languages.
Xcode still supports it (barely) but the writing's on the wall: move to Objective C or Python, Java is dead.</sentencetext>
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